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17 July marks 95 years since the murder of the Romanovs

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It is more and more habitual that the Russian people are preparing for the day of special commemoration of the holy Royal Martyrs. It could not be otherwise - they gave themselves in the name of saving Russia. The time comes to germinate in the soul of the people the grain that the royal sacrifice has become. It’s great happiness to know that after dozens of years of lies, slander and oblivion in thousands of churches in countless numbers of houses on this day, July 17, a grateful prayer is going on, bright in its sadness.


But how we all feel - besides sadness, there is a taste of Easter joy. Still shy. Like those who, doubting, stood in the tomb of the Lord, where He was no longer crucified. But the angels announced: The one you are looking for is not here. Obeying our ordinary ideas, and we, like the disciples of the Savior, are now “looking for” our holy Tsar Nicholas and his Royal Family. But is he where we look for him?

It is impossible to overestimate the importance and necessity of the processions, prayers, memorial meetings and outward manifestations of love, in particular, placing the sincere words “Forgive us, Sovereign” where many could see them.

But are our actions enough? And is there a danger of leaving the outside of the case? From here, as you know, is only one step to Pharisaism, when they honor with their lips, but their hearts are far away. This was precisely the attempt to say in the previous article “Tsar's business”. However, it was said, apparently, it was unnecessarily harsh and, judging by the comments, it embarrassed some readers. May they forgive the author, and in his thoughts he did not question the righteousness and necessity of the ministry now being done.

But, as the Lord says, one must do the same and not leave the other behind. Please, brothers and sisters, ponder the following. Would you like the Royal Martyrs so that the places of their commemoration bear such names as Ganina Yama or the logging of the Pigs, which is obsessively “pushed” now by the Piglets?

The place of royal Golgotha, as we all know, is in Yekaterinburg, where the Temple-on-the-Blood was erected. There, as it should, we are going to bring a prayer. Our desire to visit that mournful suburb, where the fanatics in haste dealt with the honest remains of the holy martyrs, is also explicable.

But shouldn't we think about renaming? Not only is everything still happening in the so-called Sverdlovsk region. It is named after the villain, who played, as it is more and more obvious, one of the most key (if not the most key) roles in regicide. The word "pit" has the most ancient origin and in translation from Sanskrit means hellish region. Is it not necessary to achieve for the whole region and for the area of ​​abandoned mines, established by investigator Sokolov, as the place of a possible finding of the relics of martyrs, before making processions, a new, proper name?

And can not our indifference in this matter be an alarming sign of the not quite right realization of which activity most closely corresponds to the feat of the royal martyrs?

It is necessary to resist being drawn into Pharisee worship. The very thing that Christ said: you are building the tombs of the prophets and saints, who were beaten by your ancestors, than you testify even more against yourself. It is not by chance that names are mentioned here, because much begins with the correction of names. Indeed, in the very persistence with which the authorities refuse to rename the same Sverdlovsk region or to remove from the map of Moscow the mention of another participant in the Yekaterinburg villainy (Voikov) contains a direct indication.

The present country is too far from the Russia for which our great newly-born Tsar Nikolai made his great sacrifice. Amid total decay, betrayed daily and hourly by dignitaries, ministers, entourage, generals, the Tsar was alone in the battle for Orthodoxy, Autocracy and the People. He worked tirelessly to strengthen the Orthodox faith, despite all the slander and mockery of the "enlightened intelligentsia". Created conditions for unprecedented economic and demographic growth. Provided breaking sabotage and theft necessary army. He led it and led to victory in world war, to the possession of Constantinople and access to the Holy Land.

And for all this was mean betrayed. Weak, stupid and short-sighted grandee-conspirators were not able to resist the elements held by the Sovereign. And after even more vile and evil usurpers, the Bolsheviks established their dictator, the country with a blunt indifference took the news of regicide.

The emperor never allowed the possibility of a constitutional monarchy, the possibility of becoming a decorative element of a society striving for disintegration.

The emperor rejected the path of tyranny. An attempt to force the throne to serve with violence and repression. Turn subjects into slaves.

The emperor wanted a truly Christian, free, prosperous Russia. That is his testament.

Today, our task is to get out of the stupor and begin a coherent activity to embody the royal desire. Only this will become a true repentance, an excuse for indifferent estrangement, which our ancestors of 95 fell into due to their own and no fault of their own.

May our processions and penitential prayers be accepted. But faith without works is dead. The visible manifestations of penitential piety will not lead us into a new detachment, into the beauty of imaginary repentance. But may they be the guarantee of a nationwide movement for the acquisition of the Russia that the Sovereign bequeathed to create.
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  1. experienced
    experienced 17 July 2013 09: 55 New
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    Sani Romanov has a good reason today to "attack" drinks
    I feel sorry for the family, the tsar is not a bit ... In my opinion, the martyrs were counted in vain, the time was troublesome and more worthy people died terrible deaths.
    1. GreatRussia
      GreatRussia 17 July 2013 09: 57 New
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      No matter how anyone relates to the Romanovs, but the murder of the whole family, including children, unjustifiable and bloody atrocities!


      And the assassination of Princess Elizabeth Fedorovna and other members of the Romanov dynasty can be compared only with the atrocities of the Nazis:


      On the night of July 5 (18), 1918, Grand Duchess Elizaveta Fedorovna was killed by the Bolsheviks: dumped in the Novaya Selimskaya mine 18 km from Alapaevsk. [12] Together with her died:

      Grand Duke Sergey Mikhailovich;
      Prince John Konstantinovich;
      Prince Konstantin Konstantinovich (younger);
      Prince Igor Konstantinovich;
      Prince Vladimir Pavlovich Paley;
      Fedor Semenovich Remez, managing the affairs of Grand Duke Sergei Mikhailovich;
      sister of the Martha-Mariinsky monastery of Varvara (Yakovlev).

      All of them, except for the shot Grand Duke Sergei Mikhailovich, were dumped into the mine alive. When the bodies were removed from the mine, it was discovered that some victims lived after the fall, dying of hunger and wounds. At the same time, the wound of Prince John, who fell on the ledge of the mine near the Grand Duchess Elizabeth Feodorovna, was bandaged by part of her apostle. Nearby peasants said that for several days singing of prayers came from the mine.

      http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%95%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%82%D0
      %B0_%D0%A4%D1%91%D0%B4%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BD%D0%B0
      1. experienced
        experienced 17 July 2013 10: 01 New
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        Quote: GreatRussia
        No matter how anyone relates to the Romanovs, but the murder of the whole family, including children, is in no way justified and bloody atrocity!

        And why do you stamp common truths. Remember whose weak-willedness led to such a situation ...
        1. GreatRussia
          GreatRussia 17 July 2013 10: 06 New
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          Quote: seasoned
          And why do you stamp common truths. Remember whose weak-willedness led to such a situation ...

          Do you think that before the 1917 coup, the revolutionaries should have applied bloody repression?
          1. experienced
            experienced 17 July 2013 10: 16 New
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            Quote: GreatRussia
            Do you think that before the 1917 coup, the revolutionaries should have applied bloody repression?

            His work was such a responsibility for all of Russia to bear and pursue a policy to strengthen it. It was necessary to conduct a tough policy, it means not to shun blood, it’s better to execute hundreds but save millions, and he played with his wife in razututinschina and led Russia to the Russian revolt "cruel and merciless." At the same time, all the nobility and the intelligentsia were "mowed down", the country was filled with blood, "brother went to brother." Why praise him? Yeltsin encrypted his guilt in the demolition of the Ipatevsky house with this "martyrdom"
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 10: 28 New
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              Quote: seasoned
              . It was necessary to pursue a tough policy means not to shun blood, it’s better to execute hundreds but save millions

              This was done by the Bolsheviks, but he remained clean before the country, people and faith !!! People had a choice with whom to stay with the King until the end or to betray him. They made their choice. There is nothing more to talk about. Lenin in oblivion, Nicholas to the face of saints, history has put everything in its place!
              1. experienced
                experienced 17 July 2013 10: 36 New
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                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Lenin in oblivion, Nicholas to the face of saints, history has put everything in its place!

                Sanya, I will then complete your chain
                Gorbachev receives orders
                Monument to Yeltsin
                Has history put everything in its place? winked History is often rewritten for the sake of the regime and power; it has long passed from the field of science into a lever of influence on the people.
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 11: 04 New
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                  Quote: seasoned
                  History has put everything in its place

                  With respect to Yeltsin, there is no hunchback. Time will pass and the monument will be demolished and the humpbacked medal will be taken away, albeit posthumously, but history will put everything in its place. Sooner or later hi
              2. baltika-18
                baltika-18 17 July 2013 10: 48 New
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                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                People had a choice with whom to stay with the King until the end or to betray him. They made their choice. There is nothing more to talk about. Lenin in oblivion, Nicholas to the face of saints, history has put everything in its place!

                I would say it is not yet evening. The story has not ended, it continues. And who will end up being holy and who still have to find out. Do not rush time and do not make hasty decisions, my friends, for time is an eternal substance and infinite, and the decisions would seem to be correct, often erroneous.
                And the article is negative. We oozing oil, and the call to bring a penitent prayer somehow does not suit me. Who should let it be remembered .......
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 11: 06 New
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                  Quote: baltika-18
                  I. And who ultimately turns out to be a saint, and who in oblivion remains to be seen.

                  may it be that a mummy rotten to the face of the "saints" Judas will be added. Well, yes, then everything will be right in its place wink
                  Quote: baltika-18
                  Oil oozes, and the call to bring a repentant prayer somehow does not suit me.

                  Not satisfied??? Well, what are the difficulties Kolya, you see the Church, pass by and go its expensive. Bon Voyage
                  1. klimpopov
                    klimpopov 17 July 2013 11: 38 New
                    +9
                    Well, Lenin was counted among the other saints - the party ...
                    What kind of power, what kind of regime - such and saints.
                    It’s not history that puts everything in its “proper” places, but rulers to please the situation - something like that. It will be advantageous for the authorities to mix one with the poop and onto the shield of the other, they will not accept it. But history has ceased to be a science - more precisely, history has remained history, but what is now called it is rather political propaganda.
                    1. Alexander Romanov
                      Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 12: 00 New
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                      Quote: klimpopov
                      Not history puts everything in its “proper” places, but rulers to please the situation - something like this

                      Klim, in 1945, politics didn’t matter, history put everything in its place, to whom the gallows, and to whom the laurels. What happened in 1917 and who, after renunciation, came to power? Kerensky along with his government, many of whom were US citizens or not?
                      1. klimpopov
                        klimpopov 17 July 2013 12: 12 New
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                        Klim, in 1945, politics didn’t matter; history put everything in its place, to whom the gallows and to whom the laurels.

                        Then yes, and now? In the same places the United States all put? About the same WWII results? And what is happening in the republics.
                        And then politics was of great importance ...
                        Kerensky along with his government, many of whom were US citizens or not?

                        All right yes
                        I had a slightly different message.
                  2. grafrozow
                    grafrozow 17 July 2013 11: 50 New
                    +1
                    That's right, not in the eyebrow, but in the eye.
                  3. baltika-18
                    baltika-18 17 July 2013 11: 54 New
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                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Not satisfied??? Well, what are the difficulties Kolya, you see the Church, pass by and go your way. Bon Voyage

                    So I go mine. I do not urge anyone to repent.
                    Quote: baltika-18
                    .Who should be remembered .......

                    Let the dead remember their dead. And we have life ahead.
                    1. Alexander Romanov
                      Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 12: 02 New
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                      Quote: baltika-18
                      Let the dead remember their dead. And we have life ahead.

                      Everyone thinks so and no one thinks about death, but it can be on a bend. once drunk on a jeep and no life. Figuratively, but I think you will.
                  4. Uncle
                    Uncle 18 July 2013 15: 59 New
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                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    so really mummy rotten to the face of "saints" Judas add

                    When a sewer pipe burst in the Kremlin, the mausoleum was flooded with shit. To which Patriarch Tikhon said: "According to the relics and fir trees." laughing
              3. pistons
                pistons 17 July 2013 10: 56 New
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                As soon as Nikolashka renounced (By the way, the Bolsheviks have nothing to do with this), he would cease as emperor. So there can be no talk of any betrayal by the people and the army.
                Rather, he is a traitor.
                As for the faces of the saints .. well, that's all funny.
                1. Tersky
                  Tersky 17 July 2013 11: 04 New
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                  Quote: pistons
                  So there can be no talk of any betrayal by the people and the army. Rather, he is a traitor.

                  And you did not accidentally forget the simple truth- "Every nation is worthy of its ruler"?
                  1. Lacoste
                    Lacoste 17 July 2013 14: 42 New
                    +3
                    Right! So our people chose Lenin.
                2. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 11: 07 New
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                  Quote: pistons
                  As for the faces of the saints .. well, that's all funny.

                  Well, laughing until retirement.
              4. baltika-18
                baltika-18 17 July 2013 11: 46 New
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                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                history has put everything in its place!

                I’ll add a little. About the story. The Romanovs came to power through blood, through murders, including children, one 4-year-old child hanged on the gate (17 century, true). So what they came through, through that gone. As believers say, everything is God's will, isn't it, Alexander.
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 12: 04 New
                  +3
                  Quote: baltika-18
                  .About the story. The Romanovs came to power through blood, through murders, including children, one 4-year-old child hanged at the gates of which is worth (17 century, true

                  here some say. that the bombings of high-rise buildings in Moscow were arranged by Putin and even give “evidence”. if the Romanovs destroyed in their time the local Nemtsov and Navalny, then honor and praise be to them.
                  1. revnagan
                    revnagan 17 July 2013 12: 49 New
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                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    if the Romanovs destroyed in their time the local Nemtsov and Navalny, then honor and praise be to them.

                    Yeah, if the Romanovs destroy whole names under the root, honor and praise be to them, but if the Romanovs are a cruel crime. A strange logic. This, you know, is like in a Bandera joke:
                    Bandera Kumu says
                    -I'll go, m.o.s.c.a.la.y.a.
                    What if he is you?
                    -so, what about me?
                    1. Alexander Romanov
                      Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 13: 20 New
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                      Quote: revnagan
                      Yeah, if the Romanovs destroy whole names at the root, honor and praise to them,

                      What surnames destroyed the Romanovs? What have read Lenin and others like him trying to destroy Russia.
                      Quote: revnagan
                      But if the Romanovs is a fierce crime.

                      Who sang this for you?
                      1. FREGATENKAPITAN
                        FREGATENKAPITAN 17 July 2013 16: 06 New
                        +3
                        ...... What surnames destroyed the Romanovs? What they read to Lenin and others like him trying to destroy Russia............. Bloody Sunday, Lensky execution ............. when Nicholas II took place ......, and if you dig a little deeper .. ....... the list of surnames will be more than one volume ........... well, of course, it is impossible to shoot children under any circumstances. for sin is great............. Yes, ...... the time was like that, the long-suffering Russia- brother to brother, son to father .......
                      2. consul
                        consul 20 July 2013 11: 31 New
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                        Quote: FREGATENKAPITAN
                        Bloody Sunday, Lensky execution.


                        The first is a provocation with leaflets scattered on the same day, printed ahead of time (with victims counted already), the second is the arbitrariness of the owners of the Lena goldfields, the emperor personally understood, the results are described, if you want to find no problem.
                    2. revnagan
                      revnagan 17 July 2013 16: 07 New
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                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      What have read Lenin and others like him trying to destroy Russia.

                      No, I didn’t master Lenin, it’s boring. But in general I like to read, I read and read a lot ... So there is something to draw conclusions from.
                2. baltika-18
                  baltika-18 17 July 2013 13: 06 New
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                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  if the Romanovs destroyed in their time the local Nemtsov and Navalny, then honor and praise be to them.

                  Yes, the fact is that the Romanovs were at one time the same Nemtsov and Navalny.
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 13: 22 New
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                    Quote: baltika-18

                    Yes, the fact is that the Romanovs were at one time the same Nemtsov and Navalny.

                    You have now shown the level of your intellect. Do you think Putin also leads friendship with Navalny? do you even think. what you write.
                    1. Sanyl
                      Sanyl 17 July 2013 14: 41 New
                      +2
                      Alexander, please, more respect for the opponents. Do not turn the discussion into trash.
                    2. baltika-18
                      baltika-18 17 July 2013 15: 13 New
                      +4
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      You have now shown the level of your intellect.

                      Not for you to judge, sir.
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      Do you think Putin also leads friendship with Navalny?

                      But what does Putin have to do with it?
                    3. Alexander Romanov
                      Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 15: 31 New
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                      Quote: baltika-18
                      Not for you to judge, sir.

                      Oh well, you judge others, and I judge you. What is the problem?
                      Quote: baltika-18
                      But what does Putin have to do with it?

                      draw a parallel, maybe you can.
                    4. baltika-18
                      baltika-18 17 July 2013 16: 36 New
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                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      draw a parallel, maybe you can.

                      Both have the same end? wink
              5. the polar
                the polar 17 July 2013 18: 16 New
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                Quote: baltika-18
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                if the Romanovs destroyed in their time the local Nemtsov and Navalny, then honor and praise be to them.

                Yes, the fact is that the Romanovs were at one time the same Nemtsov and Navalny.

                Probably the current monarchists have already forgotten that the main initiators and organizers of the burial of the Romanovsky remains in the Peter and Paul Fortress were Nemtsov and Mikhalkov. Balagan and only with these great-growing "monarchists"
                1. Nicholas C.
                  Nicholas C. 17 July 2013 19: 15 New
                  +5
                  Quote: Polar
                  Probably the current monarchists have already forgotten that the main initiators and organizers of the burial of the Romanovsky remains in the Peter and Paul Fortress were Nemtsov and Mikhalkov. Balagan and only with these great-growing "monarchists"

                  You exposed yourself as a liar. Mikhalkov was not a member of the Government Commission. From the humanities (with the exception of historians and archivists) there were Averintsev, Glazunov, Radzinsky and the deputy minister of culture Bragin. Nemtsov was the head of the commission by position - 1st Deputy Prime Minister (but not with him it started). And where to bury - the question is far from personally Nemtsov.

                  The composition of the "Government Commission for the Study of Questions ..." is known and is in the public domain. So they could not slander.
        2. Uhe
          Uhe 17 July 2013 11: 47 New
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          Yeah, it was for "purity" that the people called him Bloody. And it was because of the purity before some kind of faith that his relatives forced him to abdicate, and he abdicated, thereby violating his oath at the time of the wedding to the throne;) What is such a faith that the oath-criminal is clean?
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 12: 06 New
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            Quote: Uhe
            Yeah, it was for "purity" that the people called him Bloody

            The people or Lenin with their scumbags leading the country to a fratricidal warrior in which more people died than in 1 world war.
            1. Lacoste
              Lacoste 17 July 2013 14: 44 New
              +9
              It was not they who brought the country, but the kings who brought the people to the extreme point. After all, if the people have something to lose, then he will not take up arms.
              1. Gomunkul
                Gomunkul 23 July 2013 18: 08 New
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                A small addition: revolutions are made either “from above” (an example of the discharge of the USSR), or “from outside” (an example of the drain of the Russian Empire), “there are only riots" from below (Salt riot, well, etc.). hi
            2. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 18 July 2013 12: 48 New
              +1
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              The people or Lenin with their scumbags leading the country to a fratricidal warrior

              Listen all is well in moderation, including fiction, it's me about the "bloody"
              and as for the civilian, it’s not the Bolsheviks who are to blame, but the stupid people who took power in February, and what they didn’t understand what to do with it, the Bolsheviks are already a consequence
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 18 July 2013 12: 53 New
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                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

                Listen well to the best of your ability, including fiction,

                Fudge ??? Yes, there have already been laid out so many times documents about crimes and red terror that there is no strength left to repeat itself, especially for those who really need it. Love the Bolsheviks, love to blame the sick for healthy, well, well, good luck. Personally, nothing and no one will ever prove to you.
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 18 July 2013 13: 02 New
                  +6
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Fudge ??? Yes, there have already been laid out so many times documents about crimes and red terror that there is no strength left to repeat itself, especially for those who really need it. Love the Bolsheviks, love to blame the sick for healthy, well, well, good luck. Personally, nothing and no one will ever prove to you.

                  you piled everything in a heap again
                  nikolashka got the kikkuha for the tragedy at the coronation, for some reason you dragged Lenin here, I belong to the Bolsheviks absolutely exactly, they skillfully took advantage of the situation and, as history has shown, they turned out to be better organizers and leaders than all those who were near or against them.
                  As for the evidence, you have not yet brought anything more weighty than saliva.
                2. Aleksys2
                  Aleksys2 19 July 2013 06: 56 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Fudge ??? Yes, there have already been laid out so many times documents about crimes and red terror that there is no strength left to repeat itself, especially for those who really need it.

                  You really don’t need it. Don't you know how the Civil War began? Great Britain, France and Italy decided to support the anti-Bolshevik forces, Churchill called for "strangling Bolshevism in the cradle." December 22 The 1917 conference of representatives of the Entente countries in Paris recognized the need to maintain contact with the anti-Bolshevik governments of Ukraine, Cossack regions, Siberia, the Caucasus and Finland and to open loans to them. On December 23, on November 1917, an English-French agreement was concluded on the division of the spheres of future military operations in Russia: the Caucasus and Cossack regions entered the Great Britain zone, Bessarabia, Ukraine and Crimea entered the French zone; Siberia and the Far East were considered as the sphere of interests of the USA and Japan.
                  On 6 of March 1918 a small English landing force, two companies of marines, landed in Murmansk to prevent the Germans from capturing the huge amount of military cargo delivered by the Allies to Russia, but did not take any hostile action against the Soviet government (until June 30).
                  On the night of August 2 1918 the organization of the captain of the 2 rank Chaplin (about 500 people) overthrew the Soviet regime in Arkhangelsk, the 1 thousandth red garrison fled without a single shot. Power in the city passed to local self-government and the creation of the Northern Army began. Then the 2 thousandth English landing landed in Arkhangelsk. Chaplin was appointed as a member of the Supreme Administration of the Northern Region "commander of all naval and land armed forces of the Supreme Administration of the Northern Region." The armed forces at that time consisted of 5 companies, a squadron, and an artillery battery. Parts were formed from volunteers. The local peasantry preferred to take a neutral position, and there was little hope of mobilization. Mobilization in the Murmansk region was also not successful.
                  In the North, the Soviet command creates the Northern Front (the commander is former General of the Imperial Army Dmitry Pavlovich Parsky) as part of the 6 and 7 Army.
                  On November 1 on November 1917, at a meeting of representatives of the Entente in Iasi, a decision was made to use the corps to fight the Russian revolution, on January 15 on 1918, the corps was declared part of the French army and preparations began for the corps (40 of thousands of people) to be transported from Ukraine through Far Eastern ports to Western Europe to continue fighting on the side of the Entente. Echelons with Czechoslovakians were scattered along the Trans-Siberian Railway for a long distance from Penza to Vladivostok, where the main part of the corps (14 thousand people) had already arrived, when on 20 on May the corps command refused to comply with the Bolshevik government’s disarmament demand and began active fighting against the red detachments, which was the impetus for the uprising of the whole corps.
                  And where are the "bloody Bolsheviks" who unleashed the Civil?
              2. Dimy4
                Dimy4 19 July 2013 10: 29 New
                +2
                Power lay on the ground, the Bolsheviks picked it up and skillfully took advantage of it.
          2. consul
            consul 20 July 2013 11: 45 New
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            Quote: Uhe
            Yeah, it was for "purity" that the people called him Bloody. And it was because of the purity before some kind of faith that his relatives forced him to abdicate, and he abdicated, thereby violating his oath at the time of the wedding to the throne;) What is such a faith that the oath-criminal is clean?


            The slanderers who wished to destroy Russia were not called bloody at all (the script is partly very similar to what is happening in Syria), and what they see as renunciation for this, when carefully considered, is not suitable. But the oath-criminal, in this case, is just the people (the oath of 1613 and confirmed in 1913, no one has canceled).
            1. consul
              consul 20 July 2013 11: 47 New
              +1
              Cathedral Vow - Zemsky Electoral Council, held on February 21, 1613

              The Lord sent His Holy Spirit to the hearts of all Orthodox Christians, as if by common mouth I cry out that being in Vladimir and Moscow and in all the States of the Russian Kingdom, Sovereign, Tsar and Grand Prince of All Russia Autocrat, You, Grand Sovereign Mikhail Feodorovich.
              They kissed all the Life-giving Cross and the vow they gave, that for the Great Sovereign, the venerable God, God chosen and God beloved, the Tsar and Grand Duke Mikhail Feodorovich, the All-Russia Autocrat, and the Blessed Queen and the Grand Duchess, and Their Royal Children, To the sovereigns, henceforth, God will give, put your souls and your heads, and serve Him, the Sovereigns with our faith and truth, with all your souls and with your heads.
              It is commanded that the Chosen One of God, Tsar Mikhail Feodorovich Romanov, be the ancestor of the Rulers in Russia from generation to generation, with responsibility in his affairs to a single Heavenly King. And who will go against this Council Decree - whether the Tsar, whether the Patriarch, and every person, may he be cursed by such in this century and in the future, he will be excommunicated from the Holy Trinity. And another Sovereign, past the Sovereign Tsar and Grand Duke Mikhail Feodorovich, all Russia Autocrat; and Their Tsar Children, whom God will give them to the Sovereigns from now on, to seek and want another Sovereign from any people you wake up, or what famously wants to do; then we are the boyars, and the roundabouts, and the nobles, and the ordered people, and the guest, and the children of the boyars, and all kinds of people on that traitor to stand by all the earth for one.
              After reading this Approved Charter at the Great All-Russian Council, and after hearing for ever greater strengthening - to be so in everything because it is written in this Approved Charter. But whoever does not abduct ubo to listen to this Council Code, God bless him; and he will begin to say other words and rumors in the Chiniti people, then such as the sacred to the order, and from the Boyars, the Royal Synclites, and the military, or some people from ordinary people, and in whatever rank you wake up; according to the holy Rules of st. The Apostle, and the Ecumenical Week of Saints Father and Local; and according to the Council Code, everything will be cast out, and excommunicated from the Church of God, and the Holy Mysteries of Christ; like a schismatic of the Church of God and all Orthodox Christianity, a rebel and a destroyer to the Law of God, but according to the Royal Laws, revenge be perceived; and our humility and the entire Consecrated Council, do not be blessed on it from now on and forever. May it be firmly and indestructible in previous summers, in childbirth and childbirth, and not a single hell from those written in it shall pass.
              And at the Council there were the Moscow State from all the cities of the Russian Kingdom of power: metropolitans, bishops and archimandrites, hegumen, protopopes and the entire Consecrated Council; boyars and okolnichi, cupholders and captains and solicitors, duma nobles and deacons and tenants; big nobles and nobles from cities; diamonds from the Orders; strelets' heads, and Cossack chieftains, streltsy and Cossacks trading and townsmen; and great ranks all sorts of servants and tenants; and from all the cities of the Russian kingdom, elected people.
              Handwritten signatures [1] .A quickness is laid down and written Approved Certificate for the hands and for the seals of the Great Sovereign of our Tsar and Grand Duke Mikhail Feodorovich of all Russia Autocrat, in the reigning city of Moscow, in the first summer of his reign, and from the creation of the world 7121 .
        3. Uhalus
          Uhalus 17 July 2013 14: 59 New
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          I repeat: not the Bolsheviks. The revolutionaries. In particular, the Socialist Revolutionaries. He did not stay clean in front of the country. He was soiled in stupidity and inaction, he did not solve the problems in the country, he was not the de facto king. A “crown without a head” was what he was. And Lenin, in fact, no one forgot. The assignment of Nicholas to the face of saints is only the twists of modern propaganda, no more. One Bloody Resurrection, remember ...
          And he was not emperor and king - he abdicated from the throne.
        4. nov_tech.vrn
          nov_tech.vrn 17 July 2013 15: 53 New
          +4
          There was nothing to shoot down a family for, it was an atrocity, but Nikolai himself does not want a saint, in general, the Commander-in-Chief of those military personnel has no right to leave the service, so Nikolay is a deserter, besides the leader of a huge country should not think about himself or family, and the question itself is not about hanging political ones, they were dying enough in hard labor, but about mediocre leadership of troops and the country, direct negligence in the performance of duties for which he was prepared as heir to the throne from childhood.
        5. Vladimir 70
          Vladimir 70 17 July 2013 20: 52 New
          +3
          This was done by the Bolsheviks, but he remained pure before the country, people and faith !!
          What does it mean to remain clean before the country, people and faith? Thanks to him, millions perished. All the same, he was an autocrat and in his power was to select and appoint officials. The king did not fulfill his duties and ruined the country.
          People had a choice with whom to stay with the King until the end or to betray him.
          It was Nicholas who betrayed the country and the people.
        6. Anper
          Anper 18 July 2013 17: 19 New
          +3
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          People had a choice with whom to stay with the King until the end or to betray him.

          As far as I know, not the people betrayed the king, but the king - the people. His renunciation in itself does not cost anything until this renunciation accepts something like a general meeting (I do not remember now what it is called exactly). Only this "veche" and decided whether or not to accept renunciation. And Nikolai didn’t give a damn about it, and now the people are being offered to repent to the king. What to repent of ?. And Mr. Experienced is right - the politician should think that if blood cannot be avoided, then it is necessary to achieve order with little blood, so that later he can avoid big. Remember Gorbachev - I wanted to be kind to everyone, here you have a lot of blood in the Caucasus. But he could have done so to stop it all at the very beginning.
        7. Revolver
          Revolver 23 July 2013 23: 55 New
          0
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          history has put everything in its place!

          "Russia is a country with an unpredictable past."
          Mikhail Zadornov
      2. Uhe
        Uhe 17 July 2013 11: 45 New
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        And he executed. Rumors about the softness of his domestic politics are a lie. A bunch of Russian people were executed on the gallows. At the same time, he lost 2 wars in which he threatened several million Russian lives; with it, several tens of billions of rubles were exported to the USA, for which Witte was named the best minister of finance in the world (is it true, does he remind anyone?;)); it was not the solution of the peasant question that led to 3 (three!) revolutions, but Stolypin’s reforms destroyed the Russian community. In general, the affairs of this gentleman can be listed for a long time. Of course, these are not crimes against the state, for he himself was the state and was in his own right, but these are crimes against the Russian people, for which he paid.

        A family with children and Botkin was shot in vain, then I agree. And he himself should not have been, but, apparently, people had too fresh memories of the "charms" of that life.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 12: 07 New
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          Quote: Uhe
          And he executed. Rumors about the softness of his domestic politics are a lie. A bunch of Russian people executed on the gallows

          This is you writing a lie! And if they executed those who organized terrorist acts at that time and led the troubles into the people. so there the Jewish people of the fatherland are also dear to them.
          1. georg737577
            georg737577 17 July 2013 14: 50 New
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            SW Alexander Romanov! Reading your comments in this thread, I want to change my nickname to "Yurovsky" ...
            1. shpuntik
              shpuntik 18 July 2013 23: 37 New
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              georg737577 UA Yesterday, 14:50 ↑
              SW Alexander Romanov! Reading your comments in this thread, I want to change my nickname to "Yurovsky" ...

              Two times clicked “minus” for Jacob, once “plus” for humor. laughing "Laughing out loud".
          2. Uhalus
            Uhalus 17 July 2013 15: 14 New
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            I am forced to oppose you: those who carried out the attacks were just executed unforgivably few, they were given short prison sentences or hard labor, and there were even cases (quite a few) that sometimes were justified. But the rebellious peasants, demanding bread and land (1896 - 1897), just hung ...
            Someone will say that the Tsar is not to blame for the Bloody Resurrection. Just to blame. The demonstration of people, and in the form of a religious procession was just the ancient Russian form of conveying their problems to the sovereign, moreover, a form of exceptionally respectful (Do you remember that Nikolai advertised himself as a true Russian and Orthodox sovereign in the Old Russian style?). At all times, even penknives were not taken for such a procession, not to mention something more serious, and therefore the people in this demonstration were completely unarmed. And so the tsar washes away from the palace, and a soldier is put forward towards the procession ... And who is Nicholas 2 after that? - a coward and a scoundrel.
            As for his incredible Orthodoxness: dominance at the court of the horde of mystics, incl. and the quacking itself, the evocation of spirits, than the Empress dabbled with Vyrubova - where is Orthodoxy ?!
            In addition, this Rasputin, a former free or involuntary agent of influence on the king and a profitable way of access to him and to state information ...
            You can remember forever. And judging by the records of the most notorious monarchists, the enemies of the monarchy write even harder ...
            1. chaban13
              chaban13 17 July 2013 22: 27 New
              -1
              It was proved that on January 9 there were provocateurs in the convoy (mainly the Socialist Revolutionaries and Bolsheviks) who were the first to shoot soldiers
              1. soldier's grandson
                soldier's grandson 17 July 2013 22: 39 New
                +2
                But what did the fresh shells find or did the foremen appear?
                1. nov_tech.vrn
                  nov_tech.vrn 18 July 2013 10: 17 New
                  +1
                  why are the witnesses, the dog barks, the wind wears
            2. AntonR7
              AntonR7 21 July 2013 00: 30 New
              +1
              You have read misinformation, half a lie. They didn’t shoot at the police with penknives; there were clearly provocateurs in the crowd. and besides, it also confirms that the victims in an exaggerated number were scheduled already within 2-3 hours after the tragedy. Question? The revolutionaries were used by provocateurs, by the way among the revolutionaries in the vast majority were Jews.
        2. consul
          consul 20 July 2013 12: 15 New
          +3
          Quote: Uhe
          And he executed. Rumors about the softness of his domestic politics are a lie. A bunch of Russian people were executed on the gallows ...


          Under Nicholas II - 6107 people were executed in court and executed, most of the executions took place in the period 1905-1910, when it was just necessary to establish order in the country because of rampant terrorism, fed from abroad.
      3. grafrozow
        grafrozow 17 July 2013 11: 47 New
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        By your logic, that was how Humpbacked was to lie nearby. Yes, and the mausoleum closer to Yekaterinburg would not hurt.
        1. nov_tech.vrn
          nov_tech.vrn 17 July 2013 15: 58 New
          0
          with pleasure would help, but it would be necessary to judge.
      4. AntonR7
        AntonR7 21 July 2013 00: 24 New
        0
        He did not play in debauchery, all this was gossip of the opposition at that time. According to the tsar, in his diaries, Rasputin visited the royal family 1-2 a year, and the rest of the time he “treated” the heir by phone.
    2. andrejwz
      andrejwz 17 July 2013 10: 45 New
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      Quote: GreatRussia
      Do you think that before the 1917 coup, the revolutionaries should have applied bloody repression?

      I think it is strange: Nikolai, who led Russia to revolution and civil war, was recognized as a saint by the church. We stick out his sufferings and the sufferings of the royal family, and yet millions died in this meat grinder.
      Stalin, who led Russia out of a state of devastation, is a "bloody tyrant." Guilty of everything and everyone.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 11: 08 New
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        Quote: andrejwz
        I think it is strange: Nikolai, who led Russia to revolution and civil war

        Did Nikolai bring this? Have you mixed up anything in your life?
        1. experienced
          experienced 17 July 2013 11: 12 New
          +4
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Did Nikolai bring this? Have you mixed up anything in your life?

          Sash, this is his weak-willedness and "lack of care" of Russia before the revolution and the subsequent civil war led hi
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 12: 08 New
            -1
            Quote: seasoned
            Sash, this is his weak-willedness and "lack of care"

            it was his choice and he did not spill the blood of his compatriots in the battle. He accepted what the people of renunciation demanded. Wanted-got
            1. avt
              avt 17 July 2013 15: 07 New
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              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              it was his choice and he did not spill the blood of his compatriots in the battle. He accepted what the people of renunciation demanded. Wanted-got

              You are talking nonsense! And you are positioning yourself as a monarchist. No people demanded anything from him, his own circle and family merged him, all these Rodzyans, Shulgins, Kirilovichs, Nikolayevichs, and he did not fulfill his duty as king and commander in chief, could not keep up like Paul I, but MANDATED. This work and the corresponding time - war. He had no choice, there were only duties from which he merged. Whatever you want to say, but thank God from Stalin such a scam during the war did not wait, not that leader.
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 17 July 2013 15: 11 New
                -3
                Quote: avt
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                it was his choice and he did not spill the blood of his compatriots in the battle. He accepted what the people of renunciation demanded. Wanted-got

                You are talking nonsense! And you are positioning yourself as a monarchist. No people demanded anything from him, his own circle and family merged him, all these Rodzyans, Shulgins, Kirilovichs, Nikolayevichs, and he did not fulfill his duty as king and commander in chief, could not keep up like Paul I, but MANDATED. This work and the corresponding time - war. He had no choice, there were only duties from which he merged. Whatever you want to say, but thank God from Stalin such a scam during the war did not wait, not that leader.


                for Christ’s sake, I’d like to put a plus, put a minus, I repent repeat
                1. avt
                  avt 17 July 2013 15: 14 New
                  0
                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Christ for the sake of excuse, I wanted to put a plus, put a minus, I repent

                  It happens .
                2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 17 July 2013 15: 25 New
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                  level set plus
            2. lexe
              lexe 17 July 2013 20: 41 New
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              thank God from Stalin such a scam during the war did not wait, not that leader.

              Yes, the difference is significant ... Renunciation a step before the victory and lost at the time of the disasters of 1941-42.
            3. AntonR7
              AntonR7 21 July 2013 00: 34 New
              +1
              There is a version that the tsar did not abdicate at all, because he wasn’t allowed to pass the train, he was detained, and a renunciation was pasted into the manifesto about the call for the army. Divorced people.
          2. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 17 July 2013 15: 31 New
            +5
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            it was his choice and he did not spill the blood of his compatriots in the battle. He accepted what the people of renunciation demanded. Wanted-got

            Well, the civil war that followed all this had no victims.
            he was frightened of responsibility, he was simply scoffed, it’s about the same crap about the bald Judas, they say that they saved the country from a civil war
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 15: 34 New
              +1
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

              Well, the civil war that followed all this had no victims.

              Do you even read what I write? If not, why write to me?
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              it's about the same crap about the bald Judah they say that they say the country was saved from civil war

              Hard with you. Sometimes hard. Although it may be that you’re not writing what is, to put it mildly, not the same thing. And give examples not of those. Although these are your difficulties.
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 17 July 2013 15: 37 New
                -2
                it's hard with you
              2. soldier's grandson
                soldier's grandson 17 July 2013 22: 47 New
                -1
                do not pay attention to the flawed especially the namesake of the king
    3. Bronis
      Bronis 17 July 2013 11: 17 New
      +8
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      I think it is strange: Nikolai, who led Russia to revolution and civil war

      Nicholas did not bring, but admitted. But at the critical moment he denied and withdrew. It is foolish to blame what happened only for him. This is not true. The failure was systemic. Almost the entire General Staff urged the abdication. The Church supported the Provisional Government, seeking to achieve full independence. How it ended for everyone is known.
      Nikolai Alexandrovich was probably a good person. But obviously - a bad politician. Unfortunately, both for the country and for his family.
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 17 July 2013 15: 28 New
        0
        once again I will give the same example, I’m all the same who and how convinces a woman to leave her child in the baby’s house, for me the important fact is that she succumbed to these beliefs, and the rest is just words.
        he was anointed of God and was obliged to bear this burden or refuse immediately
    4. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 17 July 2013 15: 09 New
      -2
      Do you think that if the train derailed passengers are to blame?
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 18 July 2013 09: 18 New
        -1
        Someone believes that all the same passengers laughing ?
        1. shpuntik
          shpuntik 19 July 2013 20: 03 New
          +1
          Vasilenko Vladimir (2) SU Yesterday, 09:18 ↑
          Someone believes that all the same passengers laughing ?

          There are oligophrenics - the “stop-cock” is pulled at night, and then they laugh quietly bully.
    5. Uhalus
      Uhalus 17 July 2013 15: 23 New
      +4
      And he too. Captain is always responsible for incidents on the ship. For the mess at the factory - the director. For the mess and the collapse of the country - the ruler. Well?
    6. soldier's grandson
      soldier's grandson 17 July 2013 22: 41 New
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      how much does the State Department pay you?
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  3. soldier's grandson
    soldier's grandson 17 July 2013 22: 40 New
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    simple and strong, plus you huge
  • Uhe
    Uhe 17 July 2013 11: 38 New
    0
    And you take an interest in what they called Stolypin the Hangman, and Nicholas 2 - Nicholas the Bloody;)
    1. Bronis
      Bronis 17 July 2013 12: 03 New
      +7
      Stolypin - for "Stolypin ties" when he was still 1905 Mr. Well, Bloody - for Khodynka ...
      Just for the sake of justice, it should be noted that the narrow circle of revolutionaries, liberals (then read the same thing) and political emigrants so called them. Nothing from today reminds? And then, and now they used the weakness of power. Then it turned out ...
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 12: 11 New
      -13
      Quote: Uhe
      and Nicholas 2 - Nicholas the Bloody;)

      Who to ask Zyuganov and the Bolsheviks who drowned the country in blood
      1. klimpopov
        klimpopov 17 July 2013 12: 16 New
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        Here again, this is a stamp for giving colors to the "Bolsheviks who drowned the country in blood"
        I can say the same about Nikolai ...
        1. Retx
          Retx 17 July 2013 12: 26 New
          +2
          The Bolsheviks ruled their affairs after the death of Nicholas. How Nikolai personally drowned the country in blood is not clear, tell me?
          1. klimpopov
            klimpopov 17 July 2013 12: 46 New
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            And before the 1919 year there was stillness and God's grace, right?
            Before this, there were no two wars or revolutions - everything flourished and smelled! And if you want, then he began to drown the country in blood, it was he who received the nickname among the people.
            By the way, it was not the Bolsheviks who invented the storytelling, but Heinrich Yulievich Witte (if you want more detail), so you don’t need all the dogs for the Bolsheviks either, but as always it turns out .. This happened by the way.
            But the Tsar is not to blame for anything! This is all around and the king is holy! Doesn't it remind you of anything?
            1. Retx
              Retx 17 July 2013 13: 20 New
              +4
              He was shot in 18, before 19 how a zombie wielded, right? lol
              The nickname was given to him by the Bolsheviks and the liberals, which people they are talking about is not clear.
              Witte was a liberoid and a stooge of the French, I can even compare it with our past minister - Kudrin. But the Bolsheviks began to hang and cut the Cossacks, because they remembered the concept of honor and duty, but then they cut all such honest ones. Well, the Germans in Kiev have already made it a tradition.
              1. klimpopov
                klimpopov 17 July 2013 13: 49 New
                +1
                He was shot in 18, before 19 how a zombie wielded, right?

                I know when he was shot.
                Why do you attach "blood" to the date of the execution of Nikolai? What did not die before that? 1905 not killed? Did he not shoot demonstrations? The nickname who gave is no longer to be established, but the fact that it has taken root is a fact!
                Witte was a liberoid and a stooge of the French, I can even compare it with our past minister - Kudrin.

                But what about under the tsar and autocrat some kind of proteges of foreign states appeared who promoted their ideas here? How is that?
                And the fact that he was the first to speak about the storytelling and even plans were certain regarding the Cossacks. Who then brought them to life another question ... Again, Witte is just an example.
                What about the generals? Christmas and the like? How is that with such a king, Father? Do not blame everything on one side ...
              2. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 14: 26 New
                +4
                Quote: klimpopov
                In 1905 did not die? Did he not shoot demonstrations?

                Did the terrorists not blow up the Tsar? It was the terrorists. Even the Bolsheviks called them revolutionaries. Doesn’t the USA call terrorists revolutionaries? Why did they bother Lenin’s brother? Not an hour for terrorism.
                As Putin said, watering the toilet. And if Nicholas drenched them, then good
              3. klimpopov
                klimpopov 17 July 2013 14: 36 New
                +3
                Blew up! And Alexander was sent to the other world. But I just said that the country drowned in blood with the connivance of the king and all power ... And everything else was later.
              4. soldier's grandson
                soldier's grandson 17 July 2013 22: 54 New
                -4
                they wouldn’t blast it in vain
          2. Uhalus
            Uhalus 17 July 2013 15: 33 New
            +6
            They staged a revelation for the counter-revolution and for separatism — they wanted to separate, they planned to build the Don Republic, they didn’t participate in the white movement, they didn’t sit out and didn’t succeed, they made tricks with the Germans ... So we got to them.
            And as for the Witte project on razachachivaniya - it was a matter, really.
            Honest slaughtered and white, they had their sins. In general, in the Civil War that was not right - all to blame.
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 14: 23 New
        +1
        Quote: RETX
        . How Nikolai personally drowned the country in blood is not clear, tell me?

        Well, you have to blame someone. You shoot, and then you say yes, it was my neighbor who forced me to shoot. This does not work in the courts. At the highest, too, will not ride.
        1. klimpopov
          klimpopov 17 July 2013 14: 40 New
          +2
          And you do not blame all the blame on one? And all the rest is not necessary?
      3. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 17 July 2013 17: 11 New
        +1
        Quote: RETX
        The Bolsheviks ruled their affairs after the death of Nicholas. How Nikolai personally drowned the country in blood is not clear, tell me?

        such an example is a terrible accident a lot of corpses a lot of victims, someone is taken to the hospital and there they die who is on the table of the surgeon, who is after.
        who do you think the doctors are to blame for their death or the one who caused the accident?
        Nikolai, including his abdication, provoked a series of terrible events in Russia, it was he who bears responsibility for what happened as the driver of a "car" called Russia
    3. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 14: 21 New
      +1
      Quote: klimpopov
      I can say the same about Nikolai ...

      try, but not with the Bolshevik proof, which they themselves came up with.
      1. klimpopov
        klimpopov 17 July 2013 14: 42 New
        +3
        Ha! And with what "proof" is that? What do you think is "proof"? What was no PMV? And society was healthy in every sense and didn’t portend trouble? The peasants peacefully sowed the land and the workers worked for the good of the empire? And to the state ...
  • Bronis
    Bronis 17 July 2013 12: 44 New
    +7
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Who to ask Zyuganov and the Bolsheviks who drowned the country in blood

    Gennady Andreyevich before the Bolsheviks as ... him for such a thing in the RSDLP (b) ...
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 13: 24 New
      +2
      Quote: Bronis

      Gennady Andreyevich before the Bolsheviks as

      And, as soon as Putin came to the Temple, so Zyuganov pulled the candles to light. I wonder why he doesn’t light them with a lighter for an hour. According to Stanislavsky, I don’t believe it. What didn’t go before?
      1. Bronis
        Bronis 17 July 2013 13: 29 New
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        According to Stanislavsky, I don’t believe it. What didn’t go before?

        Well, you yourself answered the question yourself - as soon as Putin went to the temple ... by the way, how does the ROC relate to divorce ...
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 13: 33 New
          +2
          Quote: Bronis
          Well, you yourself answered the question yourself - as soon as Putin went to the temple.

          Putin had walked before, but he was not shown until he became president.
          Quote: Bronis
          . By the way, how does the ROC relate to divorce ...

          But it doesn’t apply to divorces if marriages were made in the registry office. Putin did not get married.
          1. Bronis
            Bronis 17 July 2013 13: 38 New
            +6
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Putin had walked before, but he was not shown until he became president.
            Yeah, when he served in the KGB bully

            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            . By the way, how does the ROC relate to divorce ...
            But it doesn’t apply to divorces if marriages were made in the registry office. Putin did not get married.
            I knew that this answer. Well, if you didn’t get married - then, of course, you can leave your wife. Or even not so, generally horror! Well, they lived 30 years of sin ... even worse ...
            Such a divorce is a pious deed
          2. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 14: 29 New
            +4
            Quote: Bronis
            Yeah, when he served in the KGB

            no, I don’t know this, so it’s not worth it, it’s cheap.
            Quote: Bronis
            Well, if you didn’t get married - then, of course, you can leave your wife.

            I divorced myself, so what? Or for you any reason to cheer on Putin to spit. Look at yourself "holy" you are ours.
          3. Bronis
            Bronis 17 July 2013 14: 43 New
            +3
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            I divorced myself, so what? Or for you any reason to cheer on Putin to spit. Look at yourself "holy" you are ours.

            Sasha! Do not disperse from scratch! No one spits on Putin! Echo Matzi is better at doing this. I even vote for GDP ... (and for whom else?)
            And I’m not a saint (thank God), I don’t even pretend!
            You are an emotional person. right, it’s not worth it - spoil your health. There is simply nothing unequivocal in this world. there is no absolute good, no absolute evil. Nikolai, Putin, Zyuganov - people with their own strengths and weaknesses. This is understandable and understandable. they also shouldn’t catch a halo ...
            Anyway, if you say that you were getting divorced, it means that the person is an adult (relatively). And you are engaged in childishness ... You are often "caught" and "bullied" on this. Like now. No need to be waged ... winked drinks World! Work! May! (sorry for the communist slogan)
  • klimpopov
    klimpopov 17 July 2013 13: 51 New
    +5
    Oh yes, they also found a “commie”))) Daddy Zyu ... He sold out in 95m ... Or maybe earlier ...
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 14: 30 New
      +2
      Quote: klimpopov
      ) Daddy Zyu ... He sold out as early as 95m ... Or maybe earlier ..

      Как instilled ran into the party, and sold out.
      1. klimpopov
        klimpopov 17 July 2013 14: 44 New
        +3
        Hm. Sash and my father then sold out when he joined the Communist Party. Although the betrayal was precisely in the year 1991 ...
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  • GreatRussia
    GreatRussia 17 July 2013 12: 44 New
    +5
    Quote: Uhe
    And you take an interest in what they called Stolypin the Hangman,


    Indeed, why not ask?
    Take an interest:


    In 1909, Prime Minister and Minister of the Interior P. A. Stolypin asked the French journalist Gaston Drew, who interviewed him: “Do you know what figure reached the manifestations of banditry and anarchist attacks in 1906-1908?” And he answered his own question. "In 1906, 4742" assassination attempts "were committed, in which 738 officials and 640 private individuals were paid with their lives. 972 officials and 707 private individuals were wounded. In 1907, 12102" attempts "were committed, 1231 officials were killed and 1284 were wounded. 1768 were killed by private individuals , and 1734 were wounded. 2771000 rubles were expropriated from the treasury and from private individuals. In 1908, 9424 "assassination attempts" were carried out, 365 officials were killed, 571 were wounded, 1349 were killed, 1384 were wounded, 2200000 were expropriated.

    Total: for three years of "assassination attempts" - <26268>, officials and private individuals were killed - 6091, more than 6000 were injured, and more than 5000000 rubles were robbed.




    Quote: Uhe

    and Nicholas 2 - Nicholas the Bloody;)

    And where are the people here? Continuous propaganda:

    ..... nicknamed radical opposition "Nikolai the Bloody"; with such a nickname appeared in the Soviet popular historiography.
    http://militera.lib.ru/memo/russian/kurlov_pg/01.html
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 17 July 2013 17: 05 New
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    Quote: Uhe
    and Nicholas 2 - Nicholas the Bloody;)

    as for Nicholas’s cliche, everything is ambiguous, there are several options: coronation and Lensky execution (to the latter, the Bolsheviks were more gravitated by it and became official)
  • Mikado
    Mikado 17 July 2013 16: 17 New
    0
    Quote: GreatRussia
    Do you think that before the 1917 coup, the revolutionaries should have applied bloody repression?


    but did not apply? Stolypin's military courts tell what?
    1. GreatRussia
      GreatRussia 17 July 2013 16: 27 New
      +2
      Quote: Mikado
      Quote: GreatRussia
      Do you think that before the 1917 coup, the revolutionaries should have applied bloody repression?


      but did not apply? Stolypin's military courts tell what?


      Yes, tell me, getting acquainted to whom this was applied:

      In 1909, Prime Minister and Minister of the Interior P. A. Stolypin asked the French journalist Gaston Drew, who interviewed him: “Do you know what figure reached the manifestations of banditry and anarchist attacks in 1906-1908?” And he answered his own question. "In 1906, 4742" assassination attempts "were committed, in which 738 officials and 640 private individuals were paid with their lives. 972 officials and 707 private individuals were wounded. In 1907, 12102" attempts "were committed, 1231 officials were killed and 1284 were wounded. 1768 were killed by private individuals , and 1734 were wounded. 2771000 rubles were expropriated from the treasury and from private individuals. In 1908, 9424 "assassination attempts" were carried out, 365 officials were killed, 571 were wounded, 1349 were killed, 1384 were wounded, 2200000 were expropriated.

      Total: for three years of "assassination attempts" - <26268>, officials and private individuals were killed - 6091, more than 6000 were injured, and more than 5000000 rubles were robbed.
      1. Mikado
        Mikado 18 July 2013 21: 34 New
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        This, of course, very interesting information, somehow, tells us that the bloody repression was not applied to the revolutionaries?
  • Dimy4
    Dimy4 19 July 2013 10: 18 New
    +4
    Joseph Vissarionovich himself got rid of the frenzied revolutionaries.
  • bomg.77
    bomg.77 17 July 2013 10: 12 New
    +4
    Quote: seasoned
    Remember whose weak-willedness led to such a situation ...

    The king was weak. Someone does not argue that his place was not, however, he was not a scoundrel or a scoundrel and did not deserve death, let alone the whole family.
    1. Blackgrifon
      Blackgrifon 17 July 2013 10: 29 New
      +5
      Quote: bomg.77
      The king was weak. Someone does not argue that his place was not, however, he was not a scoundrel or a scoundrel and did not deserve death, let alone the whole family.


      Quote: GreatRussia
      Do you think that before the 1917 coup, the revolutionaries should have applied bloody repression?


      In terms of quantity and effectiveness, Russia is up to 17g. surpassed the Russia of our days (starting from the 90s and ending today). Moreover, in many respects, the Russian Empire is still higher than the Federation.
      The entire revolutionary movement was far from based on the donations of the proletariat - all congresses were held in London, during the Russo-Japanese terror against the civilian population sharply increased, during the WWII, the revolutionaries opened a new financial path - from Germany. After the Revolution, the country lost a lot of its population (officers, scientists, intellectuals, ordinary peasants), many provinces, the complete collapse of the country and the persecution of Christians.
      Therefore - YES - the revolutionaries should not have been planted, but hanged.

      The tsar was weak, but not to the extent that they believe that the monarchies of Germany and (partially) Austria fell past him from revolutionary ideas. The main, and perhaps the only critical, drawbacks of Nicholas II is that on the one hand he was unable to "saddle" the unrest (pursuing primarily social and partly liberal goals), but on the other hand he failed to understand what danger was for him It is not Stolypin who represents it, but the highest nobility, the capitalists (who forced them to renounce the throne), who sought to get the maximum power, and who acted in the revolutionary movements sitting in Switzerland and ready to give half of the country to enemies just to seize power (remember the Brest Peace).
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  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 10: 26 New
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    Quote: seasoned
    . Remember whose weak-willedness led to such a situation ...

    It’s easy to judge while sitting on the couch, you would probably bet you in his place, probably, the whole world would be fucked up. negative
    1. experienced
      experienced 17 July 2013 10: 29 New
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      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      It’s easy to judge while sitting on the couch, you would probably bet you in his place, probably, the whole world would be fucked up.

      Probably would be fucked up, but "God doesn’t give horns to a vigorous cow" wassat
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 11: 09 New
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        Quote: seasoned
        "God does not give a horny cow"

        Then I look in skype, and you have horns laughing Wife did not ask questions wink
        1. experienced
          experienced 17 July 2013 11: 16 New
          +3
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          I’m looking in skype, but your wife’s horns didn’t ask questions

          Not horn, but horn wassat There is no wife, but the horn is growing, maybe someone from the ancestors with the unicorn sinned? laughing
    2. Tersky
      Tersky 17 July 2013 11: 07 New
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      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      you would probably tell, the whole world would go crazy.

      Provided that by that moment something else remained from him ..
    3. Uhalus
      Uhalus 17 July 2013 15: 38 New
      +1
      "It’s easy to judge sitting on the couch, you would have put you in his place, I’d probably tell, the whole world would be fucked up"
      What am I? That's right! If I hadn’t been banged before, of course ... :)))
  • Uncle
    Uncle 18 July 2013 15: 53 New
    0
    Quote: seasoned
    And why do you stamp common truths. Remember whose weak-willedness led to such a situation ...

    Experienced, then you, excuse me, think in cliches about the king’s lack of will. He did not want to take blood to his soul, this was done by the Bolsheviks. There was no other way to "cure" this people. This is not lack of will, this is humanity, this is God in the end.
    And at the expense of reckoning as saints, this is not for us to judge.
  • Nevsky
    Nevsky 17 July 2013 10: 04 New
    +2
    They say there was more than the assassination of the royal family.

    1. Nicholas C.
      Nicholas C. 17 July 2013 10: 40 New
      +2
      Quote: Nevsky
      They say there was more than the assassination of the royal family.

      The public focused on forensic medical examination (they are not them), but completely ignored the historical examination. Ritual murder is categorically excluded. Read. The level of argumentation in it is unacceptable even for my knowledge on this topic. Investigator V. Solovyov proved himself to be a very compromise person in this matter. IMHO, he tried to conduct this business along the path of least resistance. A lot of facts.

      In the photo, skull No. 4 from the burial, identified as the skull of Nicholas II. It was made on a tomograph at a children's hospital in Yekaterinburg (if you haven’t forgotten - No. 40). From the personal archive.

      PS. Is there at least some guidance on the site how to insert a picture from my computer (max. Size, etc.)? In the "change" mode, it is already impossible to do anything with your picture).
  • avt
    avt 17 July 2013 10: 06 New
    +2
    Quote: GreatRussia
    No matter how anyone relates to the Romanovs, but the murder of the whole family, including children,

    So the work of them, the kings, was such, very dangerous at times request and by and large, Nicky No. 2 had to think about it early, at least in 1905, when the first bell rang. Well, with regards to the article - ,, ... people servile dogs and dogs, sometimes, the heavier the punishment, the gracier the gentlemen ... "Russia is not Romanov’s patrimony. Gentlemen Orthodox monarchists - read the Bible, Book 1 Samuel chapter 8, everything is popular there , figuratively and intelligibly explained, then let the snot on the new king, if he does not want to.
    1. GreatRussia
      GreatRussia 17 July 2013 10: 08 New
      +1
      Quote: avt
      ... the heavier the punishment, the better gentlemen they are ...

      Is this such an excuse for killing children and atrocities against the Romanovs and domestic servants, thrown alive into the mine and thrown grenades left wounded there to die?
      1. avt
        avt 17 July 2013 10: 25 New
        +1
        Quote: GreatRussia
        Is this such an excuse for killing children and atrocities against the Romanovs and domestic servants, thrown alive into the mine and thrown grenades left wounded there to die?

        This is a statement of fact. A fairly accurate description of the state of the current monarchists and there is nothing for me to amoral on the old communist principle to sew. Sew it to your chosen head of the Romanovsky house, after building the pyramid in Petropavlovka and sharing the inheritance, he said on camera that only the servants were innocent there, the rest seemed to be at professional risk - the profession is so dangerous they say, the tsar and his family members.
        Quote: Apollon
        They brutally managed, in the end they could have sent them somewhere under reliable protection, in the end the history of the royal family is the history of Russia itself.

        The most interesting thing is that there is no direct evidence, the Bolsheviks kept their word - the fate of the imperial family is still not known exactly. At a press conference about the first “remains,” Soloviev almost cried when he was asked a question. And where are the shards from the vessels with acid? Now, when the second call was, well, according to the Tsarevich and Anastasia, this moment was corrected and even insistently several times in the box repeated.
      2. Lacoste
        Lacoste 17 July 2013 16: 22 New
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        There is no justification, of course, but you can understand why. You are probably aware of how ordinary people lived in Russia at that time. Why did the king allow pregnant women to work in factories? Why did most live in poverty? Why did children work and die in huge numbers? And why were there people who fattened at the expense of others? It is from all this that it becomes clear why all the same people with such pleasure abandoned the king and sided with the revolution.
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 17 July 2013 17: 01 New
          -1
          Well, not with everything, so I threw it about and stood up, people by and large didn’t ask much
          1. Lacoste
            Lacoste 17 July 2013 17: 04 New
            +1
            The strength of the red army in the civilian was much greater than that of whites. It may have been after the tsar’s revolutions and death, but they definitely didn’t want to return to the former.
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 17 July 2013 17: 48 New
              -3
              also a moot point, it's me about incentive mativa
        2. Uncle
          Uncle 18 July 2013 15: 57 New
          +2
          Quote: Lacoste
          Why did the king allow

          Well, again, one person is to blame! Now Putin is to blame, then Nikolai. Old song.
    2. Odysseus
      Odysseus 17 July 2013 17: 22 New
      -1
      Quote: avt
      So the work of them, the kings, was such, very dangerous at times

      In order to assess the fidelity or fallacy of any historical decision, you need to remember the historical context and put yourself in the place of the people who make the decisions (in this case, the Urals Council)
      Having done this, you immediately come to the conclusion that there were only 2 alternatives.
      1) Maintenance of the family with a retreating army.
      2) The shooting of the whole family.
      Given the rebellion of Muravyov, the first option was extremely doubtful.
      It is also clear that the execution of one Nicholas (all the more so with his wife) did not give anything, because White needed not a king, but a symbol that did not have real power, and the sick heir was ideally suited for this role.
      In fact, only the execution of the servants was truly erroneous, though they themselves refused to leave Nicholas.
  • DEfindER
    DEfindER 17 July 2013 12: 27 New
    +7
    Quote: GreatRussia
    No matter how anyone relates to the Romanovs, but the murder of the whole family, including children, is in no way justified and bloody atrocity!

    I agree that atrocity, but as you know, the Bolsheviks did not give orders for execution, and this was a purely arbitrary decision of local authorities. And then how people treated him then, speaking in modern language, his rating was very negative. They even wrote in those newspapers such a variant of the anthem - "Take the King of the King." The people were very tired of the dominance of kulaks, landowners and nobles, the mortality rate among ordinary people was simply enormous, there was almost no industry, an agricultural country of the third world.
    If the Tsar pursued the correct policy, then the Bolsheviks would not have any support for the revolution, and so all the people supported them.
    1. Mikado
      Mikado 18 July 2013 21: 58 New
      -2
      Firstly, it is not clear why at every corner they shout about the murder of children, according to the then-law “Detim” there was only one person there - a son, and then in his years many people worked 12-16 hours a day in mines and fields along with adults, so I’m not even going to name his “Child”. Secondly, according to Lenin’s correspondence, it is known that they wanted to take the former tsar to court in Moscow in order to publicly judge and publicly execute, so that later there would be no reason to appear in any "miraculously saved" way. But the people "on the ground" decided in their own way, realized that they had such a chance - to shoot the tsar himself, but he was about to be taken from them, and they played a comedy with a sudden advance of the whites.
  • Uhalus
    Uhalus 17 July 2013 14: 47 New
    +1
    By the way, not the Bolsheviks. The Social Revolutionaries were. The Bolsheviks were just against it, they were going to negotiate and use the tsar as propaganda - part of the people still believed in the legend of the "good tsar-priest". Sverdlov ordered the liquidation under very strange circumstances, there is even a fairly reasonable opinion that there was a conspiracy between the whites and the reds to eliminate the tsar and his family (the whites were not monarchists, for example, counterintelligence was pursuing monarchists at Kolchak). So the thing is very foggy, muddy and slurred ...
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 17 July 2013 15: 24 New
    +3
    Quote: GreatRussia
    No matter how anyone relates to the Romanovs, but the murder of the whole family, including children, is in no way justified and bloody atrocity!

    if we discard sentiment, the question is controversial, although very delicate, the Bolsheviks destroyed the possible "banner" around which unification could occur, unfortunately the rest of the family escaped from this DUTY

    Rayevsky’s youngest son was 11 years old, he, like his elder brother, who was 17, was with his father on the Borodino field, and what did this whole family do in civilian when the future of the country was decided? !!!
  • user
    user 22 July 2013 11: 33 New
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    GreatRussia SU July 17, 2013 09:57 ↑

    No matter how anyone relates to the Romanovs, but the murder of the whole family, including children, is in no way justified and bloody atrocity!


    And the assassination of Princess Elizabeth Fedorovna and other members of the Romanov dynasty can be compared only with the atrocities of the Nazis:

    Perhaps you are right, only how to relate to the history of the Khodynka field, I don’t see the point of listing further.
    If you are a KING with a capital letter, then besides the blessings given by this circumstance, there is everything else - the struggle for the throne, the preservation of the throne, the good of the heirs, the good of those close to the throne and their responsibility for EVERYTHING around.
    And the fact that he is counted among the saints, I think this is a tribute to the time when this happened, now this would not have happened. I believe that this is a big mistake of the Orthodox Church.
  • Apollo
    Apollo 17 July 2013 10: 09 New
    +9
    Quote: seasoned
    I feel sorry for the family, the king is not the least bit ...


    I welcome you Alexey! hi As for the tsar, you are in vain. He was a symbol of the state power of the country. They were brutally dealt with, in the end they could have been exiled somewhere under reliable protection, in the end the history of the royal family is the history of Russia itself.
    1. baltika-18
      baltika-18 17 July 2013 10: 21 New
      +6
      Quote: Apollon
      As for the king, you are in vain. He was a symbol of the state power of the country.

      When a new state is being built, new symbols come into force, and the old go into oblivion. So from the point of view of building a state, everything is logical.
      1. Uhe
        Uhe 17 July 2013 12: 06 New
        -1
        But the Chinese acted wiser, not executing their own;)

        It is necessary to execute finished murderers, traitors, and the rest need to be re-educated, for the benefit of effective methods now are a dime a dozen, although not all of them are philanthropic. The Chinese also applied strong methods of psychological re-education to their king, and they succeeded. But they broke it cruelly, but they left it alive. This is more humane than execution.
      2. Nicholas C.
        Nicholas C. 17 July 2013 12: 12 New
        +2
        Quote: baltika-18
        So from the point of view of building a state, everything is logical.

        Consequently, is it logical and dichotomy - physical extermination? Destruction, mainly physical, of other classes?

        Whose state are you writing about?
        1. DEfindER
          DEfindER 17 July 2013 13: 29 New
          -2
          Quote: Nikolay S.
          Consequently, is it logical and dichotomy - physical extermination?

          Cossacks, in general, have always been the main armed force of the Russian state, at least under the Ruriks. But after the troubles that brought the Romanovs to power, they began to fight with the Cossacks, because they defended Russian values ​​and the Ruska culture, and the Romanovs, as stooges of the West, promoted Western culture by eradicating all Russian! Peter 1 even mocked the people, ordering him to celebrate the new year (the translation “new god”) on the day of circumcision of the Lord, and to congratulate each other not with the new summer, but with the new God (Year). Yes, and he himself almost did not speak Russian .. But the Last Romanovs already mutated and merged with Russian culture, but still they did not find the keys to the Russian spirit, for which they paid ...
          1. Bronis
            Bronis 17 July 2013 14: 00 New
            +2
            Quote: DEfindER
            Cossacks, in general, have always been the main armed force of the Russian state, at least under the Ruriks.

            At least under most Rurikovich Cossacks did not yet exist as an estate.
            Quote: DEfindER
            But the Last Romanovs have already mutated and merged with Russian culture
            Sorry, but this is just a reference! Better use the term “evolved”. Mutated at the time Cherepashkininzya. laughing from the memorable creativity of our potential adversary
            Save on your computer - a masterpiece.
            1. DEfindER
              DEfindER 17 July 2013 15: 21 New
              +1
              Quote: Bronis
              At least under most Rurikovich Cossacks did not yet exist as an estate.

              It was precisely with the Romanovs that they were singled out as an estate. And before that they were just Russian warriors.
              1. Bronis
                Bronis 17 July 2013 15: 53 New
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                Quote: DEfindER
                And before that they were just Russian warriors

                Unfortunately, this is often heard. But this attitude is unfortunately not related to history. If we talk about Kievan Rus, then there the military-service class was narrowly professional, having nothing to do with the Cossacks. Russians are not Vikings. Farmers were mainly. Well, the Cossacks began to form much later - closer to the end of the feudal fragmentation of very variegated seekers for a "better share". Sorry, but that sounds a little better than The Great History of Ancient Ukrov.
                1. DEfindER
                  DEfindER 17 July 2013 23: 24 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Bronis
                  Unfortunately, this is often heard. But this attitude is unfortunately not related to history. If we talk about Kievan Rus, then there the military-service class was narrowly professional, having nothing to do with the Cossacks.

                  In general, all historical sources say that Cossacks are free people who could either work or fight for hire. Therefore, all our Kings took them to their army, and they constituted, so to speak, the professional fist of the Russian army. And remember the uprisings of Razin and Pugachev, against the Romanovs, the Cossacks there were the main force, because despite all their liberties, they had a homeland, and they could not allow the substitution of Russian culture, Western, which the Romanovs sought.
                  1. Bronis
                    Bronis 18 July 2013 14: 43 New
                    +1
                    Quote: DEfindER
                    In general, all historical sources say that Cossacks are free people who could either work or fight for hire. Therefore, all our Kings took them to their army, and they constituted, so to speak, the professional fist of the Russian army. And remember the uprising of Razin and Pugachev, against the Romanovs

                    Century, please do not confuse. The first Rurikovich and the first Romanovs are separated by almost 700 years. In the IX century there were no Cossacks ... Our history - many times corresponded with each other for the sake of momentary political conditions. This is a fact, but now there are many quasi-historical graphomaniacs. Often they write not historical studies, but expound their overly rich inner world. Someone - because of money, and someone is simply inadequate. Science - science, "artist" - "artist".
              2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 17 July 2013 18: 15 New
                +1
                Quote: DEfindER
                And before that they were just Russian warriors.

                mmm, or rather fluent
                1. Bronis
                  Bronis 18 July 2013 14: 44 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  mmm, or rather fluent

                  In vain you were minus, you + One of the most significant sources of replenishment was ... A normal historical fact, but shy for some reason .. for some reason they didn’t run away from gingerbread
                  1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 18 July 2013 16: 25 New
                    0
                    there is no extradition from Don wink
        2. Nicholas C.
          Nicholas C. 17 July 2013 14: 04 New
          +5
          About
          Quote: baltika-18
          When a new state is being built, new symbols come into force, and the old go into oblivion. So from the point of view of building a state, everything is logical.


          Foolish. Zaminusovali. This is your country and the story began in 1917 or like that of the Bear in the 1991s. And my country and my people live a thousand years and then in the gray of centuries and will live another 10000 years. And my symbols Alexander Nevsky, Ivan the Terrible, Alexander Suvorov and others have not gone into nothingness. I do not betray my ancestors and do not sell. And no terror can not be considered a crime. Even sweetheart to the minus one red.

          PS. Many here confuse their nodular acquaintance with agitprop and real knowledge of history, including period of Nicholas II and, especially, the circumstances of the killing by the Bolsheviks of the royal family (not only Nicholas II, AF, daughters and Alexei) and their close ones. To make definitive conclusions, you need to be sure that you know that you know something. About this, Plato spoke. For you - also not a symbol.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 14: 33 New
            +2
            Quote: Nikolay S.
            PS. Many here confuse their nodular acquaintance with agitprop and real knowledge of history, including

            Many here do not know it at all! The story for them is that all-zombies have invested in the school.
            1. Nicholas C.
              Nicholas C. 17 July 2013 15: 25 New
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              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Many here do not know it at all! The story for them is that all-zombies have invested in the school.

              As I accumulated knowledge, I revised many of my views on Russian history. But even in his young years he was ready to listen and perceive arguments, and to argue his position.

              Your opponents not only do not know how to listen, but also do not want to hear. And they want to score with dogmas (and not arguments) and so, like, win the dispute. Therefore, I sympathize with you in your struggle on this site, especially with trolls.

              Itself categorically unacceptable any dogmatic thinking, incl. any party or sectarian, or, even more so, imposed by the propaganda of foreign non-profit organizations.

              Question as a moderator. Where are the rules for posting your pictures? I wanted to hit the forum users with a couple of photos or scans, because dealt with this topic, even fulfilled instructions of the Government Commission to me. But I already realized that the very essence of the topic is not interesting here. Here people solve much more important issues. Therefore, a question for the future, suddenly you need to insert a picture from Murzilka.
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 17 July 2013 18: 25 New
                -3
                Quote: Nikolay S.
                And they want to score with dogmas (and not arguments)

                examples in the studio
                1. shpuntik
                  shpuntik 17 July 2013 19: 05 New
                  +1

                  Vasilenko Vladimir (2) SU Today, 18:25 ↑ New
                  examples in the studio

                  And, here's a goose-shaven for you: Lazar Moiseevich Kaganovich (Cohen). He survived all, died calmly. So, just standing behind me, and nothing else lol.
                  When he turned the handle of the dynamo, during the explosion of the Cathedral of Christ the Savior in Moscow, he said: "Oh, we’ll grab the hem of Mother Russia!"
                  1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 17 July 2013 20: 19 New
                    -1
                    in the elderberry garden ...
                    what relation do I have to the cogan, dynamo and other garbage that you have tried, where are examples of some dogmas that I rely on?
                    1. shpuntik
                      shpuntik 17 July 2013 22: 26 New
                      +2
                      Army General
                      Vasilenko Vladimir (2) SU Today, 20:19 ↑
                      in the elderberry garden ...
                      what relation do I have to the cogan, dynamo and other garbage that you have tried, where are examples of some dogmas that I rely on?

                      Here, I’m sorry, the colon didn’t put it there: “the shaved goose” is to Lazar Moiseevich :-)
                      As for dogmas, this was not for you, so I responded to the call: "examples in the studio", given your attitude to the murdered king. And this "elderberry" is about good and evil. Not the evil that is on the surface, not the "red" and "white", the Mensheviks and Bolsheviks with essays, no. It's about metaphysics, about the fight against Christianity. Who fought? I showed the tip of the iceberg above.
                      Well, and the spiritual causes of the crisis here in this video, we are talking about the sacrament, from the second minute:
              2. soldier's grandson
                soldier's grandson 17 July 2013 23: 43 New
                -1
                my story is a young powerful USSR, which everyone was afraid and respected, and the people who broke the ridge of fascism, and your struggle on the site resembles convulsions of a rotten west. I am not interested and do not need to raise the theme of the tsar who pro-Japanese war, which brought the people to beggarly, especially smart people understood that they needed to take control into their own hands. and the tsar had a lot of time to correct mistakes, but everything was spent in hard labor, shots of demonstrations, and his rotten environment itself renounced the anointed. god be his judge
        3. baltika-18
          baltika-18 17 July 2013 15: 21 New
          0
          Quote: Nikolay S.
          Whose state are you writing about?

          About his native Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.
          1. Nicholas C.
            Nicholas C. 17 July 2013 15: 58 New
            +8
            Quote: baltika-18
            About his native Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.

            One must love the Motherland, the Fatherland and not be confused with the leaders. Then there will be no internal contradictions. Leaders come and go. And the Romanovs left. And Lenin with Trotsky. And even Putin will leave. In all periods of the history of my country, including in the Soviet Union, there were mistakes, there were disasters, but there was great, there is something to be proud of. And not so that in one case everything is only good, in the other - everything is bad. In any case, 4 thousand Cossacks and 150 thousand Cossacks left Russia from the Bolsheviks, and no one went to defend the USSR.

            I regret you. Your country is less than 100 years old. And mine - only according to written sources, much more than 1000.

            When a person has a Fatherland, no power will confuse him. In the war, when it was necessary to survive and defeat, then not only the Patriarchate was restored, etc. They even went into battle first "for their homeland," and then "for Stalin." Note - not "for the USSR, for Stalin."
            1. soldier's grandson
              soldier's grandson 18 July 2013 00: 10 New
              -3
              my grandfathers who defeated fascism stand for me higher than a cowardly king, and you are probably one of those mummers who drag portraits of the king in your madhouse on open door
    2. experienced
      experienced 17 July 2013 10: 27 New
      +3
      Quote: Apollon
      As for the tsar, you are in vain. He was a symbol of the state power of the country. They were brutally dealt with, in the end they could have been exiled somewhere under reliable protection, in the end the history of the royal family is the history of Russia itself.

      Greetings Apollo! hi It is clear that this is the history of Russia, but these are not its best pages. Yes, it was the Sovereign, but as an activist he was a “dummy” and as a result he ruined what his ancestors cultivated for generations, so that he went down in history as a man who ruined the Empire. The new government did not send him anywhere, because they understood that he would become a person who would unite the disparate forces of the counter-revolution, moreover, there were many versions that they went there to release him and that was why the execution was so fleeting. In Soviet history, the execution was justified and the tsar was defamed, now they have made a martyr out of him, I won’t know tomorrow, maybe the palaces will be returned to the descendants and the Kremlin will be given ...
      1. Apollo
        Apollo 17 July 2013 10: 32 New
        +6
        Quote: seasoned
        maybe the descendants will be returned palaces and the Kremlin will give ...


        nothing will be returned, but in the interests of future generations, rehabilitation is needed.
      2. Snoop
        Snoop 22 July 2013 15: 15 New
        0
        Actually, at the beginning, they just wanted to send it. They offered England but those noses turned away and refused. In general, here the people are right about the Bolsheviks, it was the Bolsheviks who did not plan the murder of the entire royal family, this is a decision of the local authorities, and not by order from above.
    3. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 10: 33 New
      +3
      Quote: Apollon
      As for the king, you are in vain. He was a symbol of the state power of the countries.

      Hi Apollo! With two hands in favor, today we criticize Putin for his weakness, because he does not shoot a bunch of different freaks. It is easiest to criticize and spit on the Tsar after the passage of time, especially if a lot of time has passed and there are no more participants in the events.
      The Tsar is the master of the Russian land, and now we have no master, but there are liberals who overthrew the Tsar a century ago
    4. vladimirZ
      vladimirZ 17 July 2013 10: 45 New
      +8
      "... He was a symbol of the state power of the country ..." Apollon  Today, 10:09 ↑

      He was not any "symbol". He himself abdicated, betrayed Russia, with all his actions brought the state to destruction. After the abdication, he was simply Nikolai Romanov.
      On the example of Nikolai the Bloody, all layers of Russian society understood - the monarchy for Russia has passed the stage, the brake in its further development.
      And no "revolutionaries" overthrew the tsar; he himself "resigned" from his post under the applause of the upper layers of society and the generals of the Russian army, who saw what mediocrity rules Russia.
      It's a pity for the family, but Nikolai Romanov himself chose this to take into account.
      1. Apollo
        Apollo 17 July 2013 10: 57 New
        -1
        Quote: vladimirZ
        He abdicated, betrayed Russia,



        It’s a pity that I don’t have the time ..........!
        And you. it seems to me that you are renouncing history, you are renouncing the country. The minus you deserve.
        1. vladimirZ
          vladimirZ 17 July 2013 11: 03 New
          +5
          What makes you think that I renounce history. History needs to know and be able to draw conclusions from it so as not to repeat past mistakes.
          History itself has proved the correctness of the "departure" of the monarchy from Russia. God forbid that Russia meet the Second World War with a monarchical form of government.
          1. Retx
            Retx 17 July 2013 11: 08 New
            -3
            Quote: vladimirZ
            God forbid that Russia meet the Second World War with a monarchical form of government.

            And what would it be? smile This would not be a war.
            1. vladimirZ
              vladimirZ 17 July 2013 11: 21 New
              -6
              RETX  Today, 11:08 ↑ New

              Quote: vladimirZ
              God forbid that Russia meet the Second World War with a monarchical form of government.


              And what would it be? This would not be a war.


              Where are such conclusions from?
              Repeat the course of history, cause-effect relations the beginning of world wars, so as not to issue such pearls.
              1. Retx
                Retx 17 July 2013 11: 45 New
                +3
                What is the course of history if we are talking about an alternative? Poland and Finland as part of the Republic of Ingushetia, Romania and all the Balkans below us. Would Hitler be in this case?
          2. Apollo
            Apollo 17 July 2013 12: 49 New
            +3
            Well now you can continue the discussion.
            Quote: vladimirZ
            God forbid that Russia meet the Second World War with a monarchical form of government.


            England met the Second World ....... monarchical form of government and ......?!
            Next


            Quote: vladimirZ
            He was not any "symbol". He abdicated, betrayed Russia,


            You didn’t learn history, he was forced to abdicate, or you don’t know?! Since he voluntarily abdicated life for him and his family should be preserved in any case, remember the reason for abdication, or remind you, in the name of preserving the integrity of Russia and its main purpose renunciation to avoid civil war.
            As for the betrayal, well, here you are great bent, where and when did you betray Russia ?!
            Look at the picture, the picture presented by me doesn’t tell you anything ?!
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 11: 11 New
        +3
        Quote: vladimirZ
        He was not any "symbol". He abdicated, betrayed Russia, with all his actions brought the state to destruction

        And the people are the same, it’s easier to blame the Tsar than on their own stupidity fool
        1. klimpopov
          klimpopov 17 July 2013 11: 45 New
          +8
          Sasha. But what nonsense? I mean the people of that time. The people were confronted with the fact and then the interim government ... Kerensky ... by the way, too, is now a hero and so on ...
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 14: 35 New
            +1
            Quote: klimpopov
            I mean the people of that time. The people were confronted with a fact and then the interim government ...

            They could have driven out onto the street for the Tsar, but they didn’t go out; on the contrary, they went for the Reds.
            1. klimpopov
              klimpopov 17 July 2013 14: 57 New
              +7
              So, and whom to marry if the king is already gone, sort of. Yes, and for the “Reds" not so much that originally went. The Bolsheviks had something to offer the people, that part of it which had nothing. Again, what did the interim government propose? Essers? Nothing! What about the generals? They dreamed of ascending the throne and reviving the old regime, in which they had a comfortable life and their children were guaranteed a comfortable life. That's what they fought for, not Russia.
    5. Uhe
      Uhe 17 July 2013 12: 04 New
      0
      By that time he was no longer - he renounced himself. Otherwise, I completely agree. But there the whites entered the city. Although I do not believe that there was no other way out and it was necessary to shoot. However, so many kings and their children were killed before him, that it makes no sense to cry for this alone.
  • Z.A.M.
    Z.A.M. 17 July 2013 10: 20 New
    +1
    Quote: seasoned
    I feel sorry for the family the king is not the least bit ...

    Quote: seasoned
    Remember whose weak-willedness led to such a situation ...

    I agree. Himself renounced, himself, weak-willed, and the family ruined.
    And the family ... So it’s not just women and children, it’s the wife and children of the KING. Of course, I feel sorry for their people ... but they are heirs and successors of the clan ... They became hostages to the character of Pope, Nikolai ...
    During the formation of China, ordinary children were killed (alive in the earth) - so that there was no one to take revenge in the future ...

    And the article is a minus. One-sided and tearful.
    1. GreatRussia
      GreatRussia 17 July 2013 10: 24 New
      +4
      Quote: Z.A.M.
      I agree. He renounced himself ...

      It’s written with a pitchfork on water, just look at the conditions of “renunciation”.
    2. avt
      avt 17 July 2013 10: 32 New
      12
      Quote: Z.A.M.
      I agree. Sam renounced himself

      And here you are wrong. a letter with the words, “To the Chief of the General Staff ..." this is not a manifesto of renunciation, but a cry for help from a man clamped by the conspirators, EVERYONE has betrayed and everything is completely the then monarchist elite, and now they are dumping responsibility on the people in general and are forced to repent, in circles with walk with banners, beg for a new king on his neck.
    3. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 10: 35 New
      +1
      Quote: Z.A.M.
      I agree. He denied himself, weak-willed, and killed his family.

      All by himself, oh what a bad one. They did not force him to renounce him, to see, according to yours and the execution of his own family, he himself gave the order. How many are you fool
      1. Penachet
        Penachet 17 July 2013 11: 30 New
        +6
        Gee-gee, yes there are a lot of us. If the tsar (president) does not know what is going on in his country (i.e., with all state special services apparatus, police, etc. subordinate to him, he stupidly does not change the situation) , then on ...... he is needed, such a king (president). And then there is nobody to remember. I DO NOT DESERVE !!!
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 12: 14 New
          +3
          Quote: Penachet
          , then on ...... he is needed, such a king (president). And

          are you talking about Putin now? Does the country need you?
      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 17 July 2013 11: 52 New
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        They didn’t force him to abdicate, to see, according to yours and the execution of his own family, he himself gave the order. How many are you

        sorry stupidity froze and all fell into one pile
        he denied himself or under duress it doesn’t matter to me, just as it doesn’t matter for what reasons the mother left the child in the baby’s house, this was done and this can not be discussed, HE betrayed the country, the reasons don’t interest me
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 14: 38 New
          0
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          He betrayed the country, the reasons do not interest me

          Those who shot were also not interested in the reasons, the verdict was passed and should be executed. The reasons will not interest you, but you are sure that he betrayed.
          You are not just a bunch, you wrote crap.
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 17 July 2013 15: 05 New
            0
            he betrayed not then when he was shot, but much earlier.
            he took upon himself the burden of managing the state and had no right to abandon this burden, we want all the benefits that a similar "position" implies, but we forget about obligations.
            as for crap (to be rude then why) you can point out what is wrong, not verbiage and not understandable phrases, but on clear and concrete examples.

            p / s / I am a convinced monarchist and I believe that this form of government is the only possible for Russia, but the Romanovs have no moral right to even look this way, they did not have a sense of duty to raise the Russian patriots who were in exile to fight the Germans in exile 41, they did not want to save the country in neither 17 nor 18
  • GreatRussia
    GreatRussia 17 July 2013 10: 21 New
    +3
    Quote: seasoned
    In my opinion, the martyrs were counted in vain, the time was vague and more worthy people died terrible deaths.


    Passion-bearer - this is the name in the Orthodox Church in general for all Christian martyrs who suffered suffering (passion, Greek πάθος, πάθημα, lat. Passio) in the name of Jesus Christ. But mainly this name refers to those saints, who did not accept the martyrdom for the Christian faith, in contrast to the martyrs and great martyrs, perhaps even from their loved ones and co-religionists - because of their anger, greed, cunning, conspiracy.

    http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D1%F2%F0%E0%F1%F2%EE%F2%E5%F0%EF%E5%F6
  • skrgar
    skrgar 17 July 2013 10: 23 New
    +2
    Quote: seasoned
    Sani Romanov has a good reason today to "attack" drinks
    I feel sorry for the family, the tsar is not a bit ... In my opinion, the martyrs were counted in vain, the time was troublesome and more worthy people died terrible deaths.

    ++++ I fully support! He was primarily the Tsar, and he betrayed the people with his abdication! -This confusion and introduced into the minds .. He is a traitor and not a saint. And I feel sorry for the children ..
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 10: 36 New
      -4
      Quote: skrgar
      ! He was first of all the Tsar, and he betrayed the people with his abdication!

      The people betrayed him, and not vice versa! The people followed the liberals. Who ultimately shot the Tsar.
      1. bomg.77
        bomg.77 17 July 2013 10: 51 New
        +6
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        The people betrayed him

        Alexander, the people were simply fooled by populist slogans.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 11: 14 New
          -1
          Quote: bomg.77
          the people were simply fooled by populist slogans.

          are people fooled? But what brains are given to you and to me and others? people are fooled, but look at the comments now after almost a century, nonsense is not gone hi there is no need to seek excuses for the people, and even more so for the soldiers and officers who have flooded the whole country. I do not say the oath. Faith, the King and the Fatherland - EVERYTHING HAS BEEN TRADED!
          1. klimpopov
            klimpopov 17 July 2013 12: 29 New
            +7
            As in 1991 was betrayed by the CPSU. First and foremost, and secondly by the people ...
          2. bomg.77
            bomg.77 17 July 2013 13: 37 New
            +5
            Maybe you are partly right, but I wouldn’t talk about betrayal about the people. The case was in St. Petersburg and everything was decided in the capital, the rest of the country's population was not asked as in the 91 year. They fooled him. Now, after a hundred years, the lie has really mixed up therefore argue, trying to get to the truth. hi
            PSWhen disputes about the revolution begin, Larashfuko’s statement “People weeping over the horrors of the revolution, drop at least one tear about the horrors that gave rise to it,” comes to mind.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 14: 40 New
              +3
              Quote: bomg.77
              People weeping over the horrors of the revolution, drop at least one tear about the horrors that gave rise to it. "

              You will not see tears here, there will be hatred and anger hi
          3. Lacoste
            Lacoste 17 July 2013 16: 26 New
            +1
            As I understand it, the king should act in the interests of the people. How did it happen that interests diverged?
          4. Anti
            Anti 18 July 2013 01: 12 New
            0
            This is also his fault, in tsarist Russia only 10 percent of the population was literate. And with the advent of Soviet power, illiteracy was over.
      2. avt
        avt 17 July 2013 11: 39 New
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        The people betrayed him, and not vice versa!

        Stupidity, please argue. The people follow the LEADER who is able to captivate with the idea and the set, attractive goal. And it goes with confidence and self-sacrifice until the stated words are at odds with the deed. As one of his detective stories wrote Julian Semenovich Leander ,, Semenov "- ,, The profession of a leader is the greatness of a nation! The plot of a leader is modesty! The profession of a leader is the exact correspondence of promises with their fulfillment!" And no monarchical principle of blood will help here, it’s only for neurostenics - letting snot get on the next anniversary of some events. And the current attempts to inflate the monarchical idea are more like a banal ideological impotence, a kind of childish attempt to cover the head with a monarchical blanket to hide from problems and challenges time.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 12: 16 New
          0
          Quote: avt
          .A current attempts to inflate the monarchical idea are more like a banal ideological impotence

          with impotence to the doctor is your problem. And the state of Russia, Rus.was always with the Tsars. The presidents, like the parliament, came to us from the west. As they came, they will leave
          1. avt
            avt 17 July 2013 14: 39 New
            0
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            , Rus.was always with the Kings.

            Which one? The title of tsar Vanya IV officially entrusted himself, so he took it, and he called himself king laughing And before that, even the Great, but the princes were, it is, for reference. Well, as the Romanov dynasty reigned in our country, this is generally an epic! laughing The thieves' cossacks of Trubetskoy from the camp of the “Tushinsky thief”, the next False Dmitriy, were sent to Misha while the militia of the Pozharsky Poles drove, but his father, who was tonsured by Godunov as a monk, and made Tushino's thief False Dmitry No. 2 with himself a patriarch specifically blessed by the kingdom. laughing Well, once again, as a person with a monarchical headset, and now for
            Quote: Perch_1
            Russia will return to the tsar in the near future, after a terrible world war, as was predicted by the elders ascetics.
            I strongly recommend, again, as Orthodox Christians, well, you read the source. The Bible, the Old Testament, the First Book of Kings, chapter 8, there is for those who cry out to be given a king, well, everything is very intelligently and intelligibly written out what to expect in this case and what then you will never get.
          2. klimpopov
            klimpopov 17 July 2013 14: 58 New
            +4
            But what about the Novgorod veche? As an example.
    2. Perch_xnumx
      Perch_xnumx 17 July 2013 10: 59 New
      -3
      ++++ I fully support! He was primarily the Tsar, and he betrayed the people with his abdication! -This confusion and introduced into the minds .. He is a traitor and not a saint. And I feel sorry for the children ..

      It was not the king who renounced the country, but the country from the king. The king didn’t destroy and destroy, attacked churches, killed priests. The people became godless and depraved, all this resulted in revolution and communism.
      Russia will return to the tsar in the near future, after a terrible world war, as was predicted by the elders ascetics.
      1. skrgar
        skrgar 17 July 2013 11: 10 New
        -1
        Quote: Perch_1
        ++++ I fully support! He was primarily the Tsar, and he betrayed the people with his abdication! -This confusion and introduced into the minds .. He is a traitor and not a saint. And I feel sorry for the children ..

        It was not the king who renounced the country, but the country from the king. The king didn’t destroy and destroy, attacked churches, killed priests. The people became godless and depraved, all this resulted in revolution and communism.
        Russia will return to the tsar in the near future, after a terrible world war, as was predicted by the elders ascetics.

        The people became godless only when they renounced! Tsar-Stavlenik of God, the people were faithful to this postulate. And the "Son of God" denied, and he "said" to the people .. "godlessness has come" -the people have brought this into chaos !! I thought, I renounced it, sent two ships with gold to England, everyone knew that! The Bolsheviks would not have decided “to shove the Tsar!” They had already overthrown the Provisional Government ..
        1. Perch_xnumx
          Perch_xnumx 17 July 2013 11: 39 New
          +2
          Quote: skrgar

          The people became godless only when they renounced! Tsar-Stavlenik of God, the people were faithful to this postulate. And the "Son of God" denied, and he "said" to the people .. "godlessness has come" -the people have brought this into chaos !! I thought, I renounced it, sent two ships with gold to England, everyone knew that! The Bolsheviks would not have decided “to shove the Tsar!” They had already overthrown the Provisional Government ..

          The people were godless. Russia did not decompose immediately. Everyone is responsible for himself, and not screaming, the atheist is the king to blame, I am a drunkard and the king walking this is to blame. Where did the crowds of atheists of workers and peasants come from, which the churches and monasteries had torn apart, where did those who killed the priests came from. If people were believers, the king would never have left the king. And by the way, even the highlanders — the wild division told the tsar, we’ll leave for us to defend you, we even wanted to arrange an assault to liberate the tsar, and these are the Caucasians, the Highlanders who fought in the tsarist army.
          1. avt
            avt 17 July 2013 11: 49 New
            +2
            Quote: Perch_1
            And by the way, even the highlanders - the wild division spoke to the king,

            It was .
            Quote: Perch_1
            they even wanted to organize an assault to liberate the king, and these are the highlanders of the Caucasians who fought in the tsarist army.

            And here they lied, because it was precisely with a turn. Skhodnyak, the “Wild” divisions decided not to go to the rescue of the tsar - it’s supposedly the Russians’s business and they themselves should understand, but as they wrote earlier, they offered, if he wanted, to give him shelter at home.
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 12: 17 New
          +4
          Quote: skrgar
          The people became godless only when they renounced!

          Oh, the Tsar denied and the people immediately became godless, but don’t write crap, look around.
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 11: 16 New
        +1
        Quote: Perch_1

        It was not the king who renounced the country, but the country from the king. The king didn’t destroy and destroy, attacked churches, killed priests. The people became godless and depraved, all this resulted in revolution and communism.

        Just a plus and respect!
      3. klimpopov
        klimpopov 17 July 2013 11: 47 New
        +9
        And by the way, why did the people turn away from the church and why did they hate the Orthodox religion? So not religion itself, but its priests personifying ... Does it not remind you of anything?
        Russia will return to the tsar in the near future, after a terrible world war, as was predicted by the elders ascetics.

        wassat although I have suspicions what kind of dynasty will be and what surname, although it seems like a daughter ...
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 12: 19 New
          +1
          Quote: klimpopov
          And by the way, why did the people turn away from the church and why did they hate the Orthodox religion?

          Klim is a simple question! Why do thousands go to the swamp, why are they spitting in the Church here?
          Quote: klimpopov
          although I have suspicions what kind of dynasty will be and what surname, although it seems like a daughter ...

          No, not Putin, the other will be a surname.
          1. klimpopov
            klimpopov 17 July 2013 12: 33 New
            +4
            Klim is a simple question! Why do thousands go to the swamp, why are they spitting in the Church here?

            And I do not believe the priests who sell faith! And I can give a lot of examples from my life! I do not spit in the church but it’s very disgusting from the priests! There is no faith behind them! Behind them is window dressing. Not for everyone of course .. As then ..
            There is God, there is a church ...
            Py Sy at the marsh I do not go to church I do not spit.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 14: 42 New
              +3
              Quote: klimpopov

              And I do not believe the priests who sell faith!

              Klim, there are those who trade, and there are those who honestly serve their duty. Everything is as in life, there are honest cops, and there are corrupt ones. I answered fully, look for the difference yourself.
              1. klimpopov
                klimpopov 17 July 2013 15: 25 New
                +1
                Only here the majority unfortunately "rotted".
                Klim, there are those who trade, and there are those who honestly serve their duty

                And the principles of their ministry have changed somehow ...
        2. avt
          avt 17 July 2013 14: 48 New
          0
          Quote: klimpopov
          And by the way, why did the people turn away from the church and why did they hate the Orthodox religion? So not religion itself, but its priests personifying ... Does it not remind you of anything?

          There is a very good old film - St. Jorgen’s Feast “there is in art form and the answer is given, in particular, to Chaplin’s exclamation,“ Why the priest should be poor ”and at the same time others bring parables about the camel, which makes it easier to crawl into the eye of a needle than the rich to go to heaven. When people claiming spiritual leadership, let’s say more generally, the priests stupidly eat three throats at the expense of people whom they should conduct morally and spiritually, then there is nothing to be surprised at the response of deceived people. This is a general rule and it also affected the Communists with the USSR finals in 1991m.
        3. GreatRussia
          GreatRussia 17 July 2013 16: 33 New
          +2
          Quote: klimpopov
          And by the way, why did the people turn away from the church and why did they hate the Orthodox religion? So not religion itself, but its priests personifying ... Does it not remind you of anything?

          If the people had denied and hated, after several decades of planting godlessness, the following would not have happened:


          On September 4, 1943, Stalin (Karpov and V. M. Molotov were also present) received Metropolitans Sergius (Stragorodsky), Alexy (Simansky) and Nikolai (Yarushevich); during the conversation, it was decided to elect the Patriarch [10], to open theological educational institutions; agreed on the creation of a body for interaction between the Russian Orthodox Church and the government - the Council for the Affairs of the Russian Orthodox Church at the Council of People's Commissars. In response to the topic raised by Metropolitan Sergius about the persecution of the clergy, the need to increase the number of parishes, the release of bishops and priests who were in exile, prisons, camps and the possibility of unhindered worship, free movement around the country and residence in cities - Stalin is right there gave instructions to "study the matter." He, in turn, suggested that Sergius prepare lists of priests who are in prison. On October 27, 1943, Patriarch Sergius presented a list of 26 names (24 bishops, 1 archimandrite and 1 archpriest) [11]. From this list, only one clergyman was not executed - Bishop Nikolai (Mogilev), but he remained in prison for more than a year and a half.

          As a result of the “change of course” over the next five years in the USSR, where by the beginning of World War II, according to various sources, from 150 to 400 active parishes remained, hundreds of churches and even one monastery — the Trinity-Sergius Lavra — were opened. Thousands of temples, opened by believers themselves in the occupied territories, were registered as “actually operating”; the number of Orthodox communities (including the "reunited" Uniate) has, according to some sources, reached 22 thousand. The overwhelming majority of the clergy in the camps, who were fortunate enough not to be shot in 1937-1938, were released from prison. The direct persecution of believers by the “Union of Militant Atheists” [3] has ceased. As a residence, the Patriarch was given the building of the former German embassy. The state virtually ceased support for the renovationist structures, which by 1946 were completely liquidated.
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  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 10: 25 New
    -5
    Quote: seasoned
    It’s a pity for the family, not a bit of the tsar ... In my opinion, they have vainly counted the martyrs

    Well, minus you bold!
    1. experienced
      experienced 17 July 2013 10: 32 New
      +6
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Well, minus you bold!

      Stop revenge for the namesake wassat Be more objective drinks
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 11: 21 New
        0
        Quote: seasoned
        Be more objective

        I am more than objective! It is you (the people), including you, who are ready to make Krainim any convenient, although you did not live in that era. Now you don’t make Putin’s margin, now you say Nemtsov, Kasparov and others are corrupt, but not Putin. But at the same time you forget that at that time, in fact, there were their own marshes that could achieve renunciation. Now they are yelling, too, as then. 2013 -Russia without Putin, 2017 Russia without a Tsar. What has changed Lesha, all the same. Does history really teach nothing, maybe it's time to turn your brains on yourself and think?
        1. experienced
          experienced 17 July 2013 11: 27 New
          +6
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          I am more than objective! It is you (the people), including you, who are ready to make Krainim any convenient, although you did not live in that era. Now you do not make Putin’s margin, now you say Nemtsov, Kasparov and others are corrupt creatures, but not Putin

          Everything seems to have been "thrown" into the namesake drinks
        2. klimpopov
          klimpopov 17 July 2013 11: 52 New
          +2
          Definitely a healthy grain to eat! But! And what in a healthy state is it possible to play on contradictions like this?
          Isn't the power itself to blame for the unrest?
          And then and now and always ...
          And if the faces of the saints, then Alexander III ... Although all these are human conventions that have nothing to do with God ...
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 14: 44 New
            +3
            Quote: klimpopov
            And what in a healthy state is it possible to play on contradictions like this?

            Out of the easy. What revolution has recently taken place without any interference from outside?
            1. klimpopov
              klimpopov 17 July 2013 15: 17 New
              +5
              Intervention from outside is possible when there are certain contradictions in the state itself and these contradictions sway - sometimes longer, sometimes less. But, in a healthy and prosperous society, the PEOPLE'S revolution is impossible! People just won’t go.
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 15: 28 New
                +3
                Quote: klimpopov
                . But, in a healthy and prosperous society, the PEOPLE'S revolution is impossible! People just won’t go.

                Drops on the economy of Libya for example, it was not just a prosperous society, but more than a socialist one. Grandmas are poured into any collapse - into any - forever!
                1. klimpopov
                  klimpopov 17 July 2013 16: 00 New
                  +2
                  The scale is just different! A revolution in a small country or a revolution in Russia. As they say, feel the difference. Were satisfied and dissatisfied. The fact that participation from outside was in Russia is also understandable. But why, then, did the king not rely on the people, but on his elites, who ultimately betrayed him?

                  Grandmas are poured into any collapse - into any - forever!

                  I agree.
        3. revnagan
          revnagan 17 July 2013 13: 13 New
          +4
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          I am more than objective! It is you (people), including you

          It looks like the real Nikolai Romanov had something similar to him about Rasputin, famine, the dominance of the Germans at court and Jewish bankers, jewelers, and he "The Tsar knows what he is doing! The state will not become poor." laughing That ended badly. And you are not making any conclusions. hi
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 14: 46 New
            -2
            Quote: revnagan
            something similar was new - to him about Rasputin, famine, the dominance of the Germans at court and Jewish bankers, jewelers, and he "the Tsar knows what he is doing! The state will not become poor.

            Yes, you do not worry, you liberals will end badly, and Putin will rule quietly further. Although I am sorry that he will not shoot some, maybe then you will start to think with your brains.
            1. revnagan
              revnagan 17 July 2013 16: 41 New
              +1
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Yes, you do not worry, you liberals end badly,

              Well, they took and insulted a stranger. They called him a liberal. Yes, for such an insult you need to call for a duel. How offended I choose a cobblestone weapon. Or a sickle. laughing I can’t be more noble, well, there were noblemen and even merchants in the family. From now on, call me a non-partisan communist. hi
        4. Lacoste
          Lacoste 17 July 2013 16: 34 New
          +3
          It is you (people), including you

          And you, it seems, do not consider yourself for the people? Bet above, and we, then? Here are those in the civilian and shot.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 18 July 2013 04: 53 New
            +1
            Quote: Lacoste
            .Or sickle

            Do not cut only yourself anything, and then wave.
            Quote: Lacoste
            Bet above, and we, then?

            If about myself, then I’m probably the first among the last and the last among the first hi
    2. klimpopov
      klimpopov 17 July 2013 10: 35 New
      +3
      I wanted to write something about ... But I will not ...
      They killed (!) Not the king ... And indeed, from the first days his rule did not work out ... But go into details, chew on the chewed ... I will remain with my own.
    3. experienced
      experienced 17 July 2013 11: 22 New
      -2
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Well, minus you bold!

      I accept it with pleasure, I’ll open it and hang it in a frame on the wall. laughing
      I remember how one clown on this site being (foreman) wrote to someone here my fat minus, it looked ridiculous wassat
      1. Anti
        Anti 17 July 2013 12: 45 New
        -2
        Quote: seasoned
        You are my fat minus, it looked ridiculous


        Shaw again tormented star disease? laughing here is my weighty minus !!
        1. experienced
          experienced 17 July 2013 12: 53 New
          +1
          Quote: Anti
          Shaw again tormented star disease? here is my weighty minus !!

          The first "-" in the whole branch set and it became so good wassat
          1. Anti
            Anti 17 July 2013 12: 56 New
            -1
            Quote: seasoned
            The first "-" in the whole branch set and it became so good


            Well, sweat, sweat yourself !! lol It's time for the factory sad
  • Bronis
    Bronis 17 July 2013 10: 58 New
    +4
    Quote: seasoned
    I feel sorry for the family, the tsar is not a bit ... In my opinion, the martyrs were counted in vain, the time was troublesome and more worthy people died terrible deaths.

    The most interesting thing is that today's attitude to those events is politicized no less than 95 years ago. Then it was justified by revolutionary necessity (then - quietly bypassed). Now they rushed to repent. Not a connoisseur of church rites - I do not know how the great martyrs are glorified. But the execution of the royal family had no religious motives, only political ones. Accordingly, the decision of the church is political.
    It's time to leave the bones alone. The story is this: often cruel and bloody, far from always fair. But there are no more white or red. And they are trying to raise the topic (which means someone needs). Repent, they say. Neither I nor my ancestors did this. I have something to repent for, but obviously not for that. Bring to the point of absurdity. May the church also repent for the thousands and thousands of serfs that belonged to it. And they were in a more distressed situation than other categories of the dependent population. The church in Russia was the largest landowner ...
  • Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 17 July 2013 11: 02 New
    +5
    I just can not understand what is the holiness of Nicholas. Various kinds of analogies are constantly cited. You can bring one like that, Ivan the Terrible did not leave an heir after himself and this ended in a terrible turmoil. Nicholas 2, too, did not leave an heir behind him (Alexei couldn’t be a sovereign through the sick) and the terrible unrest repeated. And in this confusion I see not holiness, but the criminal negligence of Nicholas.
    1. Uhe
      Uhe 17 July 2013 12: 28 New
      0
      The most amazing thing is that this disease is evidence of the illegitimacy of this genus, because the Romanov clan did not have such a disease, and the disease was of a different genus (something related to the British), that is, someone and somewhere among these foreigners sinned that he was transmitted through an illegitimate child (what a shameful website that spoils the Russian word "feeding an illegitimate child" at a dish of a high-parent;)) born in sin, to Holstins, who then sat on the table of Russia under the guise of the Romanovs :) There is research on this subject can be read. I read for a long time, so I don’t remember the details.
      1. AntonR7
        AntonR7 21 July 2013 00: 42 New
        +2
        What illegitimate darkness ?! Nikolai’s wife was a relative of Queen Victoria; from her on the female side, the disease was transmitted to everyone.
  • smel
    smel 17 July 2013 11: 03 New
    +6
    Yeah. The king, who inherited a great country, a strong army, managed to lose three wars, arrange three revolutions in the country and shed a sea of ​​blood. As a date - you need to remember. Grieve ??? This, as they say, to each his own.
    1. Uhe
      Uhe 17 July 2013 12: 35 New
      +1
      This is your correct saying that does not remind you of anything of the present: "The king, who inherited a great country, a strong army, managed to lose ..."? :))) Very similar to the current reality, is not it? Therefore, for them he is a saint, and for us - ....
    2. AntonR7
      AntonR7 21 July 2013 00: 44 New
      +1
      not three wars, but one with Japan and then because of the revolution and then the prisoners of the world, the Japanese were not happy, and the world king did not lose because they did not give the opportunity to finish
  • Turik
    Turik 17 July 2013 11: 09 New
    +6
    Do not be idealists! Yes, I agree this terrible deed of the bloody Bolsheviks, unacceptable from the point of view of morality and human values, etc., etc.

    BUT, what would happen if Trotsky or Lenin took pity on them? They are the only legal heirs of the House of Romanov from the point of view of international law of that era. And ANY country that promised them assistance in rebuilding the monarchy could legally occupy Russia.

    Destruction of the Family - alas, an urgent need, without this, our country would be torn to pieces.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 12: 26 New
      -3
      Quote: Turik
      Destruction of the Family - alas, an urgent need

      Human stupidity has no limits and you have proved it.
      1. Turik
        Turik 17 July 2013 13: 09 New
        0
        Human stupidity has no limits and you have proved it.

        It was foolish to change horses at the crossing, i.e. start a revolution during the war. But if this is done, then we must go to the end, otherwise - the END.

        Well, it was not me who proved it, all the demand from Trotsky. Sue him. Moreover, he is an “innocent” victim of Stalin’s butchers.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 13: 41 New
          +1
          Quote: Turik
          Well, it was not me who proved it, all the demand from Trotsky. Sue him

          So it’s Trotsky’s fault for everything, but that no one supported Trotsky?
          Quote: Turik
          But if this is done, then we must go to the end, otherwise - the END.

          Write this to Egypt or Syria.
          1. Turik
            Turik 17 July 2013 14: 28 New
            -1
            I am not going to write to the Wahhabis in Syria or "Brothers ..." to Egypt with suggestions or advice, my views on life with them are somewhat different.
            But look at Libya: no matter who is going to rule the country there (or whatever remains of it), the only way to stay in power is to destroy the entire family of the Colonel.

            This is the logic of revolutions. As long as the heirs are alive, there will always be those who are ready to support them.

            As for Trotsky, everything is simpler - he is the Commander, and there is demand from him. Lenin, however, is to blame for this, not less.

            And most importantly - about Nicholas himself, I did not say anything. This "Autocrat" did nothing to save him. Therefore, he is also involved in this. Well-fed people will not take up the pitchfork.
  • shpuntik
    shpuntik 17 July 2013 11: 49 New
    +3
    experienced RU Today, 09:55
    I feel sorry for the family, the tsar is not a bit ... In my opinion, the martyrs were counted in vain, the time was troublesome and more worthy people died terrible deaths.

    "I feel sorry for the family, the king is not a bit", how is it? what Power collapsed? Even without him, she went to the station, everything was ready: the environment was completely traitors.
    Secondly: Nikolai came to power "by accident", just the brothers refused.
    Well, and the third: you Rogozin or maybe you saw "stools" in "Ratnik"? Probably not. So Nicholas 2 in a new form, with a full calculation of the march did 50 km. In Crimea. Where, by the way, the only road so far in the Romanovskaya mountains is called because it was built on the personal savings of the imperial family.
    I watch many judged by books about Rasputin, published in the 1990s. Only it’s incomprehensibly briskly they came out: there is a mess in the country, there is no money, and books from the KGB archives are right there.
    Here is a link for those interested:

    http://dvoynik-nikolay.livejournal.com/18377.html
  • honest jew
    honest jew 17 July 2013 14: 09 New
    -4
    This bloodsucker of the Russian people had to be quartered, not shot down, and his whole family sold in a harem! Turkish pulled Russia and the Russian people into a meaningless massacre. Only thanks to the February Revolution Russia embarked on a developmental path! Before the revolution, under the tsar, 84 percent of the population could neither write nor read! The land belonged to landowners and priests who exploited and drank the blood of the people. Factories and factories belonged to the capitalists! Workers worked for 16 hours, children for 14! they got up to work on a beep and went to bed too. We lived in factory huts for 900 people without any hygiene! The status of the Romanovs today would be 700 billion dollars! This is worse than our Russian oligarchs combined! For some reason, he did not care much about the people in this state ... At the same time, he abdicated the throne at the most difficult and crucial moment ... decided to evade responsibility! Therefore, there is no need for kind words about this "divine anointing" ... His place is on a par with such Judas as Gorbachev and Yeltsin !!!
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 14: 48 New
      +1
      Quote: honest Jew
      This bloodsucker of the Russian people had to be quartered, not shot down

      Bloodsuckers came after him, you should list the names ah?
    2. AntonR7
      AntonR7 21 July 2013 00: 46 New
      +1
      Such nonsense is still to be found in one word by a Jew, by the way it was they who made up the lion's share of revolutionaries.
  • Uhalus
    Uhalus 17 July 2013 14: 20 New
    +1
    Exactly. I also believe that it was the stupidity, lack of will and lack of activity of the king that led to the death of both the country and the family. The country has revived, but the family has not. Whom I ranked as a martyr was Alexander the Second, who worked for Russia (unlike Nicholas II, who worked only for image, for self-promotion, and that was unsuccessful), and he died long and painfully after the bomb of the Narodnaya Volya.
    The elevation to Saints Nicholas the Second is only propaganda, one of the forms of defamation of the former system, which, although it was not entirely right, was quite good. I’ll also remember that before the decision to consider him a holy martyr there was high-quality advertising - paintings depicting myrrh were streaming, “miracles” of all kinds took place ... (As for the streaming, I’m familiar with a restorer who produces bespoke myrrh-streaming icons. 3-5 years after It’s going to be a workmanship, such icons are wildly expensive, and he moved from our provinces to Moscow, buying an apartment there.)

    In general, it seems to me that the author of the article confused the site ...
  • Sanyl
    Sanyl 17 July 2013 14: 37 New
    0
    I totally agree. By the degree of damage to his country, Nicholas can only be compared EBN. And the death of his family is only a small fee for this.
  • AntonR7
    AntonR7 21 July 2013 00: 22 New
    +1
    Why is the king not sorry ?! Under him, the country reached industrial and agricultural. development.
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  • FC SKIF
    FC SKIF 17 July 2013 09: 59 New
    -3
    Nikolai Romanov is a good man, an exemplary family man, a great martyr. I agree with all this. The man in our history is more than remarkable. But we do not take into account his "talents" in the management of the country.
    1. experienced
      experienced 17 July 2013 10: 03 New
      +9
      Quote: FC Skiff
      But we do not take into account his "talents" in the management of the country.

      He was the Sovereign of All Russia and I do not care how he was a family man and a man, but he led a great country to collapse and washed it with blood, it would be better if he drank vodka and babuh, but the country led to prosperity. IMHO hi
      1. klimpopov
        klimpopov 17 July 2013 10: 37 New
        +2
        Hello! What prosperity did he lead her to? To the prosperity of 1917 of the year? Here is his father, yes ... But I don’t know Nicholas II, he does not want to admire him ..
      2. nokki
        nokki 17 July 2013 11: 03 New
        -5
        Quote: seasoned
        it would be better if he drank vodka and bruhatil women, but the country led to prosperity. IMHO


        Add another "stole"! For current officials, this "gentlemanly set" is present. But I have not yet seen something of Russia's "prosperity" ...
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 12: 27 New
          +3
          Quote: nokki

          Add another "stole"!

          Knocky did not understand ??? What kind of property did the Tsar have?
          1. Djozz
            Djozz 17 July 2013 14: 53 New
            -1
            The largest landowner in the empire.
    2. baltika-18
      baltika-18 17 July 2013 10: 26 New
      +7
      Quote: FC Skiff
      Nikolai Romanov is a good man, an exemplary family man, a great martyr.

      But he was a worthless leader. For him, the state was nothing, the most important thing was Alice and the children. So his demise is quite objective.
      1. Retx
        Retx 17 July 2013 10: 36 New
        -3
        I just don’t understand, the birth rate of the wow, the GDP growth is the best in the world, and Nikolai doesn’t give a damn about the country laughing "She herself!" (with)
        1. klimpopov
          klimpopov 17 July 2013 11: 55 New
          +4
          two wars, the revolution of the fifth year ... also itself ...
        2. baltika-18
          baltika-18 17 July 2013 15: 30 New
          +1
          Quote: RETX
          I just don’t understand, the birth rate of the wow, the GDP growth is the best in the world, and Nikolai doesn’t give a damn about the country

          Answer all fans of the king-father to one simple question.
          Why did the people support the Reds in 1917, defeat the civilian whites, and begin to build socialism?
          1. Ruslan67
            Ruslan67 17 July 2013 22: 43 New
            +6
            Quote: baltika-18
            Why did the people support the Reds in 1917, defeat the civilian whites, and begin to build socialism?

            Because people want everything at once and preferably so that they don’t do a damn
            1. SergBrNord
              SergBrNord 21 July 2013 20: 02 New
              -1
              Yeah. And the people are simple - they worked a hundred pots and did not understand that the return comes from the amount of effort put into labor. How did itellichents talk about the people there? Something "did not understand" was there ...
  • Basileus
    Basileus 17 July 2013 10: 03 New
    +1
    If this person was a saint, then what would happen to her as a result of his reign would not have happened to the country. The family is not to blame for anything, but the fate of the king was clear even after the first revolution.
    1. FC SKIF
      FC SKIF 17 July 2013 10: 08 New
      +4
      These, as they say in Odessa, are two big differences. Holiness, this, excuse me, is not the title "Mr. Manager of the Year."
      1. Basileus
        Basileus 17 July 2013 10: 22 New
        +4
        And what is holiness? Bloody Sunday? Or in a crush on coronation? In the three revolutions and the ensuing civil war? Or did Nikolai have nothing to do with them?
        1. FC SKIF
          FC SKIF 17 July 2013 10: 25 New
          -1
          He is a Great Martyr. This is a sufficient condition.
          1. Basileus
            Basileus 17 July 2013 10: 33 New
            +2
            Great martyrdom means long torment for faith. He did not suffer for a long time, and it was not for faith, but for power ... True, the ROC recognized him as a martyr, not a great martyr, but if you insist.
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 10: 39 New
          -2
          Quote: Basileus
          And what is holiness? Bloody Sunday?

          And what do you know about bloody Sunday and from whom did you hear this story, not from the Bolsheviks who drowned the country in blood for an hour?
          Quote: Basileus
          In the three revolutions and the ensuing civil war?

          did he arrange a revolution too? You do not write nonsense, I beg you, but sit down and think.
          1. Basileus
            Basileus 17 July 2013 10: 44 New
            +1
            If you have alternative sources, imagine them - all of them are here.

            Revolution? Why not? His rule led to revolutions. Or do you think that revolution is a spontaneous phenomenon that arises without cause? Or, perhaps, predetermined and arising regardless of the current government at a strictly defined time?
            1. GreatRussia
              GreatRussia 17 July 2013 10: 46 New
              +4
              Quote: Basileus
              Or do you think that revolution is a spontaneous phenomenon that arises without cause? Or, perhaps, predetermined and arising regardless of the current government at a strictly defined time?

              This is not a revolution, it is the same coup that happened in the 91st under the silence of a deceived population and betrayal of the elite.
              1. Retx
                Retx 17 July 2013 10: 48 New
                +3
                And the honestly earned loot of allies and enemies.
              2. Basileus
                Basileus 17 July 2013 10: 55 New
                -1
                Yes? And what happened in 1905? Mass festivities in support of the king?

                Well, about the 17th. If this were a common provocation on German money, would the people support the coup?
                1. GreatRussia
                  GreatRussia 17 July 2013 10: 56 New
                  +4
                  Quote: Basileus
                  Well, about the 17th. If this were a common provocation on German money, would the people support the coup?

                  And in the 91st?
                  1. Basileus
                    Basileus 17 July 2013 11: 12 New
                    0
                    And in the 91st there was no civil war in which it was decided whom people support more.
                    1. Retx
                      Retx 17 July 2013 11: 14 New
                      +3
                      hence the conclusion - in the 91st all did not care about the CPSU, communism, socialism, etc.
                      1. Basileus
                        Basileus 17 July 2013 11: 24 New
                        0
                        Great conclusion. But why is he? We are actually talking about events that took place 70 years before that, we say. And not only and not so much the monarchists as the other anti-Bolshevik-minded forces participated in the white movement.
                      2. Retx
                        Retx 17 July 2013 11: 48 New
                        +2
                        To the fact that someone was for and against, defending their point of view with weapons. And the unambiguity that "everyone was fucked up" as in the USSR in 91 was not.
                  2. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 12: 31 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Basileus
                    And in the 91st there was no civil war,

                    Russia was torn apart by means of traitors and all. More subtly and insidiously, although as for civil warriors, how many conflicts were there with the destruction of the USSR, how much blood was shed and on whose money?
                    1. Basileus
                      Basileus 17 July 2013 12: 41 New
                      -1
                      Was there a war similar to the one that went on in 18-21 years? Local conflicts were also then, and in the 91st, it was only limited.

                      About the money. If this is not a secret, then it would be interesting to know whose. Maybe some investigations were carried out, they know the specific amounts and goals. If so, lay it out.
                    2. Retx
                      Retx 17 July 2013 12: 56 New
                      +4
                      By the end of 1917, German spending on rioting in Russia amounted to approximately 30 million marks. Yes, it’s enough to remember in which countries these bandits organized their party meetings.
                    3. Alexander Romanov
                      Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 13: 48 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Basileus
                      Was there a war similar to the one that went on in 18-21 years?

                      There was a civilian that claimed almost 20 million lives. It was this warrior who was called the Bolsheviks the Great. Only that there was great in it except the shed blood.
                      Quote: Basileus
                      Local conflicts were also then, and in the 91st, it was only limited.

                      Of course, your relatives did not die on it, so it’s true to grieve over hundreds of thousands of dead negative
                      Quote: Basileus

                      About the money. If this is not a secret, then it would be interesting to know whose

                      Sponsors were Germany, USA and others. I have repeatedly laid out Old, type in the internet yourself and find out
            2. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 11: 25 New
              +4
              Quote: Basileus
              Well, about the 17th. If this were a common provocation on German money, would the people support the coup?

              as can be seen from the story supported. And as we see today, clowns come to the swamp despite the fact that they know on whose money the entire collection.
              1. Basileus
                Basileus 17 July 2013 11: 37 New
                +4
                A well-fed and contented people would not support. Hungry and tired, but believing in a priest king, too. During the Second World War, the war was no less, and the first two years brought much more disappointment, but no one could even think about the overthrow of power. And this is after all the shocks experienced over the past 15 years. Not excluding the role of the NKVD and methods of cleansing from unreliable elements, it is worth recognizing that the Soviet government in this regard was much more far-sighted. With all the human qualities of the tsar, it is worth recognizing that it was his policy that drowned Russia in the blood.
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 12: 34 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Basileus
                  A well-fed and contented people would not support.

                  In the swamp area, I just saw the “hungry” and “tired” people in mink and chinchilla coats. And it seems that they are not starving and everything seems to be there, but what is missing?
                  Quote: Basileus
                  With all the human qualities of the tsar, it is worth recognizing that it was his policy that drowned Russia in the blood.

                  Swamps will start a bloody battle, do you blame Putin for this?
                  1. Basileus
                    Basileus 17 July 2013 12: 51 New
                    -1
                    But they will not start. They don’t have that kind of support. And will not be. And our power is more far-sighted than the last emperor.
                  2. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 13: 50 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Basileus
                    But they will not start. They don’t have that kind of support. And will not be. And our power is more far-sighted than the last emperor.

                    Now there is an Internet, now there is a TV, which everyone will show and tell the people. They went after Yeltsin. Thanks to tv and other propaganda. Then the news is much slower or you are not able to understand this?
                  3. Basileus
                    Basileus 17 July 2013 14: 30 New
                    -2
                    I am able to understand that the swamp is exhausted. Where is it - your swamp?
            3. shpuntik
              shpuntik 17 July 2013 12: 55 New
              +1
              Foreman
              Basileus RU Today, 11:37 ↑
              A well-fed and contented people would not support.

              As for satiety and hunger, I propose to count on gold. For gold: one Russian ruble is equal to ten euros, or 430 current rubles.
              1. SergBrNord
                SergBrNord 21 July 2013 20: 05 New
                -1
                One sneeze. It’s as if the people’s money was shoved in all the burials.
        3. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 12: 29 New
          0
          Quote: Basileus
          Yes? And what happened in 1905? Mass festivities in support of the king?

          whose money?
          1. Basileus
            Basileus 17 July 2013 12: 51 New
            0
            So who knows? If you have the results of any research on this subject, you can share, I already wrote above.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 13: 52 New
              +2
              Quote: Basileus
              So who knows? If you have the results of any research on this subject

              Do you even have a desire to find out? Or so, all over
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 12: 29 New
      +2
      Quote: Basileus
      His rule led to revolutions.

      The reign of Mubarak led to a revolution, the reign of Gaddafi led to a revolution, the reign of Assad led to a revolution, or maybe someone had to destroy Russia ???
      1. Basileus
        Basileus 17 July 2013 12: 52 New
        -2
        Destroy someone, save someone. All three tried to save, one Nikolai renounced at the first request.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 13: 52 New
          +1
          Quote: Basileus
          All three tried to save, one Nikolai renounced at the first request.

          The rest drowned the country in blood.
          1. Basileus
            Basileus 17 July 2013 14: 31 New
            -1
            ... and naturally the country came to the same.
      2. Lacoste
        Lacoste 17 July 2013 16: 56 New
        +2
        What kind of revolution are there? The people, basically, are sitting at home, militants are fighting and the best parts of the army. They are not warriors, therefore they cannot suppress bandits. And look at the strength of the red army in the civilian. This is really popular support.
  • baltika-18
    baltika-18 17 July 2013 10: 28 New
    0
    Quote: FC Skiff
    Holiness, this, excuse me, is not the title "Mr. Manager of the Year."

    And what is holiness?
    1. FC SKIF
      FC SKIF 17 July 2013 10: 34 New
      +4
      In Yandex, I just typed "holiness" - a bunch of answers. But it’s better to ask the priests.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 11: 26 New
        +3
        Quote: FC Skiff
        But it’s better to ask the priests.

        He will not ask.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 11: 26 New
      +3
      Quote: baltika-18

      And what is holiness?

      Do you need an atheist?
      1. baltika-18
        baltika-18 17 July 2013 15: 37 New
        -2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        And what is holiness?
        Do you need an atheist?

        I'm interested in purely etymology.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 15: 41 New
          +2
          Quote: baltika-18
          I'm interested in purely etymology.

          Kolya. I already wrote to you. You can not contact me with faith. I already thank God for you, I know how flaky and all your interest is in sight. So powder your brains to someone else, but rather pass by. I'm tired of the same thing.
  • Uhe
    Uhe 17 July 2013 12: 38 New
    -1
    But what about Alexander Nevsky?
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 14: 51 New
      +3
      Quote: Uhe
      But what about Alexander Nevsky?

      What Nevsky did not please you?
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 17 July 2013 10: 10 New
    +6
    Good or bad, but this is our story! To the west, he did not flee to the end, remained loyal to the oath to his people!
    1. Fox
      Fox 17 July 2013 10: 17 New
      -5
      Quote: MIKHAN
      He did not flee west

      just did not have time ...
    2. Apollo
      Apollo 17 July 2013 10: 21 New
      +5
      No comments

      execution of the royal family
    3. kirgudu
      kirgudu 17 July 2013 10: 22 New
      -1
      And where was he faithful to the oath and the people? He and the people set up both the church and the state. By and large, he is a weak-willed traitor.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 10: 39 New
        0
        Quote: kirgudu
        . By and large, he is a weak-willed traitor.

        Have you done a lot for Russia?
    4. klimpopov
      klimpopov 17 July 2013 10: 38 New
      +1
      So he denied! Is it loyalty to the people? Be the emperor to the end! Then the symbol would unite.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 11: 28 New
        0
        Quote: klimpopov
        So he denied! Is it loyalty to the people? Be the emperor to the end!

        The people demanded renunciation and this is a fact! Then the right-wingers said, here Nikolai will deny and everything will be fine. Nicholas fulfilled the will of the people that the people asked the people and received.
        1. klimpopov
          klimpopov 17 July 2013 12: 02 New
          +2
          Do you call the people that bunch of liberals?
          Here I have personally betrayed my great-grandfather and he later disappeared (great-grandfather) betrayed the Cossacks, we still do not know where he is buried. Yes, he personally betrayed by his abdication, and if forced, he could go to death but remain king and save both family and fatherland. In general, the poor made the revolution among the masses ...
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 12: 38 New
            0
            Quote: klimpopov
            Do you call the people that bunch of liberals?

            Thousands followed this bunch of liberals, as well as the marsh. Well-fed, happy, but deprived of power, corrupt rats. Now there is an Internet and TV, but then this was not and the news did not spread at minute speed. Klim, take the time into account.
            Quote: klimpopov
            Yes, he personally betrayed by his abdication, and if forced, he could go to death but remain king and save both family and fatherland

            For patriots, he remained and will remain the Tsar, the last Russian Tsar.
            Quote: klimpopov
            In general, the poor made the revolution among the masses ...

            The sheep are making a revolution, who are saying that we’ll overthrow and live as never before ..... But those who have arranged this revolution come to power. People. You are a means.
            1. klimpopov
              klimpopov 17 July 2013 12: 49 New
              +1
              Yes, yes! I agree!
              For patriots, he remained and will remain the Tsar, the last Russian Tsar.

              I don’t agree with that. Lan for lunch I quickly run away and continue.
    5. Z.A.M.
      Z.A.M. 17 July 2013 10: 43 New
      -1
      Quote: MIKHAN
      left to the end devoted to the oath to his people!


      Well, you old man, give!
      Yes, he is, from the throne on March 2 (15), 1917 - DISCLAIMER!
      Normal such "devotion", in the spirit of our time.
      Many turned away from Nicholas because of his abdication.
      You’ll no longer shout: “For the Tsar, for the Fatherland!” There is no symbol.
      Quote: seasoned
      His work was such a responsibility for all of Russia to bear and pursue a policy to strengthen it. It was necessary to conduct a tough policy, it means not to shun blood, it’s better to execute hundreds but save millions, and he played with his little wife in razutinovschina and led Russia to the Russian revolt "cruel and merciless."
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 11: 29 New
        +5
        Quote: Z.A.M.

        You’ll no longer shout: “For the Tsar, for the Fatherland!” There is no symbol

        And where did the country and faith go?
        1. SergBrNord
          SergBrNord 21 July 2013 20: 17 New
          0
          The country remained and even by the efforts of the "blood executioner" grew noticeably .. Well, faith .. forgot the artist (and the name of the picture), who painted a canvas about a fat priest whom a peasant asks for something and he doesn’t care. Just somewhere in those days, painted ...

          In general, they would have believed the church - a sneeze with two who would have touched her.
          1. Snoop
            Snoop 22 July 2013 15: 36 New
            0
            There is such a picture, there, in my opinion, a disabled soldier asks for alms, and a fat priest sits at a table with a samovar and cookies ... and pretends that he doesn’t see a disabled person ... I remembered Perov’s picture “Tea drinking in Mytyshchi”.
    6. avt
      avt 17 July 2013 11: 00 New
      -1
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Good or bad, but this is our story!

      Fact and argue nothing.
      Quote: MIKHAN
      To the west, he did not flee to the end, remained loyal to the oath to his people!
      And here you had a mistake, yes, he wrote a second letter to Alekseev, he wanted to disavow the first, but the Chief of the General Staff, according to his own recollections, simply put it in his pocket. Well, then the future, holy family, the Provisional Government calmly prepared for their relatives to leave for England, having received appropriate permits from them for permanent residence. But relatives took Nicky’s family baggage No. 2 and refused to accept it immediately! according to Sirotkin, he was not unpacked until a new head of the house was chosen after an official funeral at EBN, well, we must now assume that the property was already torn apart according to monarchical concepts.
  • Djozz
    Djozz 17 July 2013 10: 22 New
    +1
    Amendment, not the emperor, but a citizen of Romanov. Yes, the death of children, it is terrible from a moral point of view, but children have become hostages of politics, and this thing is cruel. Leaving them alive, as it is not cynical, is impossible. Remember the Anastasia’s lies, how many hikers gathered under its banners, and if the children of the “Mirpomozanika” had survived ... I’ll remind you, Grishka Otrepiev “Tsarevich Dmitry”, Emelka Pugachev “Peter-3”, “Princess Tarakanova” “daughter” of Elizabeth -1, nothing good for the Russian state, it did not bring. Enough and now the rogues of the "masters of the Deceitful" vulgar impostors of the so-called "Grand Duchess Maria" and the heir George Hohenzolern. By the way, in the 90s Sobchak married Ksyusha to Zhora. booth!
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 10: 41 New
      +1
      Quote: Djozz
      Amendment, not the emperor, but citizen Romanov

      With their correction in the mausoleum of Lenin, so the corrections are accepted. He was Emperor Nicholas and left with his head raised.
      1. Djozz
        Djozz 17 July 2013 10: 53 New
        +2
        It turns out that there was no renunciation?
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 11: 31 New
          -3
          Quote: Djozz
          It turns out that there was no renunciation?

          Renunciation was by the will of the people! But at the same time he was the Emperor, and you are a Citizen and no more.
          1. klimpopov
            klimpopov 17 July 2013 12: 03 New
            +3
            Renunciation was by the will of the people!

            Oh, Sasha. What kind of people?
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 12: 41 New
              +3
              Quote: klimpopov
              Oh, Sasha. What kind of people?

              But didn’t the people demand the abdication of Nicholas? Klim, well, you’ll be surprised. everything was covered with leaflets-Only the abdication of the Tsar will save Russia and the like.
              1. klimpopov
                klimpopov 17 July 2013 12: 51 New
                +2
                Well it is clear. But what does the people mean? it's somehow blurry. But the king, if he could think, he would not deny, but he would have to sacrifice himself most likely and remain the king ...
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 13: 54 New
                  +3
                  Quote: klimpopov
                  Well it is clear. But what does the people mean? it's somehow blurry.

                  Klim turn on the TV, there is a crowd with the slogan -Russia without Putin, all the same, nothing new.
                  1. klimpopov
                    klimpopov 17 July 2013 14: 19 New
                    +2
                    So those that demand are the people? This is a bunch of snickering managers - hamsters who ran into Spain and arrived here and begin to tell us about our "backwardness" ... Just some Lexus owners want to throw off others ...
                    Klim turn on the telly

                    I will not
                2. klimpopov
                  klimpopov 17 July 2013 13: 56 New
                  0
                  But too many "would"
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 14: 53 New
                    +3
                    Quote: klimpopov
                    But too many "would"

                    At 91, everything would have been without, I think you remember, the main thing is to keep the media in your hands.
                    1. klimpopov
                      klimpopov 17 July 2013 15: 27 New
                      +1
                      I remember how my father in the party ticket on the line where the next installment should have been he wrote "the end of the CPSU!" I’m keeping a part-ticket! Hid from him! I wanted to burn it because of this inscription - it was a shame then that I actually betrayed ... But I left, I will leave to the descendants ...
      2. Djozz
        Djozz 17 July 2013 11: 56 New
        +1
        Hamim, a colleague. Renounced, as if he had surrendered a company. (M. Shuigin.) Present at the renunciation.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 12: 41 New
          +2
          Quote: Djozz
          Hamim, a colleague.

          I’m not your colleague!
          1. Djozz
            Djozz 17 July 2013 12: 49 New
            -1
            From chagrin, I will die with an open eye.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 13: 54 New
              +2
              Quote: Djozz
              From chagrin, I will die with an open eye.

              That will be so! With the closed don't die
              1. Djozz
                Djozz 17 July 2013 14: 24 New
                -1
                Your monarchist has completely jammed your brains, you’re bulling when you run into trouble someday.
              2. klimpopov
                klimpopov 17 July 2013 14: 47 New
                +4
                Are dying! Bend the stick. Both! no need for personality ...
    2. Perch_xnumx
      Perch_xnumx 17 July 2013 11: 13 New
      +3
      Quote: Djozz
      Amendment, not the emperor, but a citizen of Romanov. Yes, the death of children, it is terrible from a moral point of view, but children have become hostages of politics, and this thing is cruel.
      Excellent policy, what kind of politics is this? The children of Stalin also needed this, and the children and relatives of Goering and the rest. How easy it is for you to find excuses, sprinkled conscience with excuses and normal. Sideways such excuses will come out of Russia and its patriots.
      1. avt
        avt 17 July 2013 11: 21 New
        +1
        Quote: Perch_1
        Stalin’s children also needed

        And the children of Stalin were not the heirs of his throne, and Stalin himself, with all the power he had, was not king, he was the party’s general secretary, he was the prime minister, in our understanding of these posts. By the way, despite this, Vasily’s fate is quite tragic and corresponds to the fate of some kind of “prince of blood,” he did not sit sour in the Vladimir Central.
        1. grafrozow
          grafrozow 17 July 2013 12: 21 New
          0
          Vasya’s tragic fate, General, inspector of the Air Force, football, running, he had to drink less.
          1. avt
            avt 17 July 2013 17: 20 New
            +1
            Quote: grafrozow
            Vasya’s tragic fate, General, inspector of the Air Force, football, running, he had to drink less.

            Forgot to add that he really was at the front, like Mikoyan, Khrushchev, Shcherbakov. Well, really had to thump less. And by the way, he was not in the zone, but in prison, and not like any authority.
        2. klimpopov
          klimpopov 17 July 2013 15: 03 New
          +1
          Special thanks to Vasya for the Air Force! It was he who raised it to such heights!
    3. shpuntik
      shpuntik 17 July 2013 12: 42 New
      0
      Djozz RU Today, 10:22
      Amendment, not the emperor, but a citizen of Romanov. ... Grand Duchess Maria "and the heir George Hohenzolern. By the way, in the 90s Sobchak married Ksyusha for Zhora. A booth!

      You are careful with Soviet fiction - it is carefully filtered yes .
      A tree is recognized by its fruits. And, Nicholas the second walked as intended, he had a prediction (such a reality), it was not for nothing that he went to the elders. And besides him, and before him, few were killed? There was a hunt for both Grand Duke Sergius and Stolypin. Therefore, this is a law, with this king or another crisis would have occurred anyway.
      Cause? The people departed from faith, and above all the elite, the intelligentsia.

  • Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 17 July 2013 10: 27 New
    10
    Forgive us Tsar-Father! Forgive us dark idiots who are tired of rotting in the trenches of the First World War for the interests of Great Britain and France, forgive us for not appreciating your good intentions, when they shot unarmed people and hung peasants, forgive us for the merged Russo-Japanese War when your Tsar-Batiushka played a point and you agreed to peace with Japan, which is on its last legs, forgive us for the great martyr for not appreciating the purchase of domestic industry by foreigners, forgive me for the fact that the majority of the population was illiterate and lived worse Papuans in New Guinea, forgive us sinners for the epic fails in foreign policy and in domestic, too, we did not appreciate the holy power of the “master of the Russian land.” Forgive also your generals who removed you, great commander! from power, probably all of them were communist atheists, as well as many of their relatives who threw your family all at once, those who swore allegiance yesterday. In short, forgive us for the millions of dead and the chaos into which you plunged the country into your dumb and illiterate, limp management, forgive us the rag-king for everything!
    1. Standard Oil
      Standard Oil 17 July 2013 10: 33 New
      -2
      If I'm wrong in something, then correct me, monarchies!
      1. klimpopov
        klimpopov 17 July 2013 10: 55 New
        +2
        "monarchidzy" - it’s forgive some Georgians wassat and so I agree, if in a nutshell then ...
      2. Djozz
        Djozz 17 July 2013 11: 00 New
        -1
        The bloody resurrection is right, and the queen is a psychopath with rotten Hessian blood (granddaughter of Queen Victoria of England). The Romanian king did not want to marry his son to his daughter Nicholas -2, since all of Europe knew about the heir with hemophilia. By the way, this disease affects males, and women transmit it. Kings and dogs of kinship do not understand.
    2. klimpopov
      klimpopov 17 July 2013 10: 40 New
      +3
      He, as he himself admitted, most of all in his life loved to chop wood ...
      1. Bronis
        Bronis 17 July 2013 10: 45 New
        +3
        Quote: klimpopov
        I liked chopping wood ...

        Yes, chopped wood a lot ....
        1. klimpopov
          klimpopov 17 July 2013 10: 59 New
          +1
          And also invent new snacks ...
        2. FC SKIF
          FC SKIF 17 July 2013 11: 01 New
          +1
          Yes, chopped wood a lot .... [/ quote]
          To the point said!
      2. Basileus
        Basileus 17 July 2013 10: 49 New
        0
        But what about the famous cat and raven shooting? It seems to me, judging by the results, he liked more)
        1. GreatRussia
          GreatRussia 17 July 2013 10: 53 New
          +3
          Quote: Basileus
          But what about the famous cat and raven shooting? It seems to me, judging by the results, he liked more)

          The shooting of stray animals and birds, as carriers of deadly diseases raging at that time, was charged to all hunters.
          1. Bronis
            Bronis 17 July 2013 11: 01 New
            +1
            Quote: GreatRussia
            The shooting of stray animals and birds, as carriers of deadly diseases raging at that time, was charged to all hunters.

            And the monarchs were charged with the duty to govern the state ...
      3. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 12: 44 New
        0
        Quote: klimpopov
        He, as he himself admitted, most of all in his life loved to chop wood ...

        As Nikolay said, there is no sacrifice that I would not make for the sake of Russia. He sacrificed everything for the sake of Russia. You many cannot understand this, as you are used to the fact that the Bolsheviks created its history and know it from their (Bolsheviks) tales = lies!
        1. klimpopov
          klimpopov 17 July 2013 14: 06 New
          +4
          And now is an honest story about the Bolsheviks being written? Who is Solzhenitsyn? Don’t make Sasha laugh. And then an honest story was written? Karamzin? Christamatically somehow everything turned out. Yes, and take the same Rybakov, well, in essence, how is Karamzin different? Values ​​have changed - some in the mud - others on the shield ... And always! The matrix however ...
          Again, how is the Romanov kings from God? They were chosen? Or am I wrong? And they chose it because of ties with advanced Europe and European courts ... And who chose that? People?
          Well and further ...
          And who laid the troubles and what happened there? A lot of spots. Yes, and this is Ivan’s canonical murder of his son ... And who needed it - confusion? To the people? And then the Poles and all the Tushino thieves there ...
          The Romanovs on the throne arranged everything at that time both in Europe and in Russia (ruling elites). History alone cannot be considered at a particular point. She can only be seen in the context of her entire line ...
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 15: 01 New
            +1
            Quote: klimpopov
            And now is an honest story about the Bolsheviks being written? Who is Solzhenitsyn? Don’t make Sasha laugh

            Yes, what does Sozhenitsyn have to do with it? I have not read this clown and will not read it. I trust archives more, there are truths, as it is more by an order of magnitude.
            Quote: klimpopov
            Again, how is the Romanov kings from God? They were chosen? Or am I wrong?

            No Klim is wrong, it’s the people who elect the president, and the Tsar is being enthroned and not the people are doing it. Like the Patriarch hi
            Quote: klimpopov
            . Yes, and this is Ivan’s canonical murder of his son ... And who needed it - confusion? To the people?

            of course a lot, but you need to distinguish the grain from the chaff. moreover, the Bolsheviks cleaned a lot for their own sake and you can now see the result in the comments of the article.
            Quote: klimpopov
            The Romanovs on the throne arranged everything at that time both in Europe and in Russia (

            Someone whom the Romanovs didn’t exactly like Europe, won too much warrior and collected land for Russia. The Romanovs were a threat to the West and more than real.
            1. klimpopov
              klimpopov 17 July 2013 15: 34 New
              0
              No Klim is wrong, it’s the people who elect the president, and the Tsar is being enthroned and not the people are doing it.

              And who builds a king? Sasha, really, who raised the Romanovs to the throne? I have a specific case with the Romanovs ...

              Someone whom the Romanovs didn’t exactly like Europe, won too much warrior and collected land for Russia. The Romanovs were a threat to the West and more than real.

              Very satisfied. By that time, they were already happy because they gave hope for the European vector of Russia's development, which ultimately happened.
              Yes, what does Sozhenitsyn have to do with it? I have not read this clown and will not read it. I trust archives more, there are truths, as it is more by an order of magnitude.

              The Germans still cleaned the archives well in the 18th century. if anything hi
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 17 July 2013 10: 52 New
    +8
    time to sprout in the soul of the people to that grain, which became the royal sacrifice.
    b ... what kind of sacrifice they climbed to the throne through the back of the ass, mediocrely slain him, one simply betrayed the country, and not one of the Romanovs considered it his duty to take responsibility
    1. experienced
      experienced 17 July 2013 10: 55 New
      +2
      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
      and not one of the Romanovs considered it his duty to take responsibility

      Well, it’s you in vain, one of the Romanovs is now “blown away” on the site wassat
      By the way, today is a full-day article, Admin guessed with an article about China, and then this seminar oily penance was laid out for dessert ...
      I respect all opinions or put minuses, plus those who like, stock up on beer and popcorn laughing
      1. Bronis
        Bronis 17 July 2013 11: 08 New
        +1
        Quote: seasoned
        beer and popcorn

        I'm going too. I stock up for the evening. An entertaining reading is coming. But China doesn’t even have any strength ... eyes wouldn’t leak out
        1. experienced
          experienced 17 July 2013 11: 14 New
          +2
          Quote: Bronis
          I'm going too. I stock up for the evening. An entertaining reading is coming. But China doesn’t even have any strength ... eyes wouldn’t leak out

          Bugaga, went to China, looked that 60 unread comments and decided that "the train left", here it is more interesting hi
          Then the moderator Romanov “drew his sword”, rarely you can see him so emotional, Krasava !!! Show succeeded drinks
          1. Bronis
            Bronis 17 July 2013 11: 20 New
            +2
            hi Sorry "Trivolta" no. I would do my part ... wassat
            1. experienced
              experienced 17 July 2013 11: 29 New
              +1
              Quote: Bronis
              Sorry "Trivolta" no. I would do my part.

              It’s on the other side, here it’s about Romanov, and not about Putin, but if someone had run into GDP, then the low-voltage would be the first to rush to the barricades lol
          2. klimpopov
            klimpopov 17 July 2013 11: 31 New
            +1
            I have not even opened China in comments yet - I'm afraid. And then yes - today’s show!
            Krasava !!!

            Agree with you!
            Although not very good with him drinks But that's the opinion!
          3. Gato
            Gato 17 July 2013 11: 56 New
            +3
            Show succeeded

            Bullfight!
          4. baltika-18
            baltika-18 17 July 2013 15: 44 New
            0
            Quote: seasoned
            Then the moderator Romanov “drew his sword”, rarely you can see him so emotional, Krasava !!! Show succeeded

            And I didn’t know that Sashok was a monarchist over, from the mere mention of my namesake into a trance, and even from religion.
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 17 July 2013 15: 53 New
              +1
              Quote: baltika-18
              And I didn’t know that Sashok was a monarchist over, from the mere mention of my namesake in a trance, and even from religion

              and what's wrong with monarchism? !!!
              In essence, Russia has monarchism in one form or another, with the exception of the last 20 years, draw your own conclusion
      2. Perch_xnumx
        Perch_xnumx 17 July 2013 11: 21 New
        0
        By the way, today is a full-day article, Admin guessed with an article about China, and then this seminar oily penance was laid out for dessert ...
        Yeah, you give Stalin, you give "the end justifies the means." Only ... you will not succeed in the end. There will be a world war, so that your brains will be cleared, there will be a terrible meat grinder, and whoever lives in Russia will remain rushing to repent, then there will be a new king in Russia.
        1. experienced
          experienced 17 July 2013 11: 30 New
          -1
          Quote: Perch_1
          Yeah, you give Stalin, you give "the end justifies the means." Only ... you will not succeed in the end. There will be a world war, so that your brains will be cleared, there will be a terrible meat grinder, and whoever lives in Russia will remain rushing to repent, then there will be a new king in Russia.

          Did you go to the madhouse? hi Neighbor Napoleon is not bored? laughing
          1. Bronis
            Bronis 17 July 2013 11: 47 New
            -1
            Pray, fast, listen to Radonezh radio (with three hard signs) wassat
            By the way, with the same enthusiasm and logic, the royal family was shot ... now let's bow down to the earth ...
            1. Perch_xnumx
              Perch_xnumx 17 July 2013 12: 35 New
              -2
              Quote: Bronis
              Pray, fast, listen to Radonezh radio (with three hard signs) wassat
              By the way, with the same enthusiasm and logic, the royal family was shot ... now let's bow down to the earth ...

              Who and whom shot with enthusiasm. I'm not going to anyone. Human life is a treasure. It is easy and simple to go into battle with God, faith and repentance in the heart, and one will overcome a thousand if there is the will of God and it is not scary to die for the fatherland, church and faith. To pray and fast and read the holy fathers, bow to God, not Marx and Lenin to read, and I will not lay down their obeisances.
              1. Bronis
                Bronis 17 July 2013 13: 17 New
                0
                Quote: Perch_1
                To pray and fast and read the holy fathers, bow to God, not Marx and Lenin to read, and I will not lay down their obeisances.

                Eh ... In your words ... Reality is different.
                Quote: Perch_1
                Who and whom shot with enthusiasm.

                Populists were among the Bolsheviks, there are now. psychotypes are common. Did you hear about the basics of Orthodox culture at school? And you know how some hierarchs, crushing authority, try to push through "their" (they need, and not for the subject) textbooks. At prices ... uh ... How are they trying to put pressure on schools to introduce not the basics of secular ethics, but "their" subject? I do not know from the Internet, but from my own practice. Everywhere people, and not everywhere honest ... Companions have always been a few ... I know very good Batyushek. But even in the church hierarchy they often "get" the nomenclature - identical ...
                I do not understand "church" populism, "communist", "liberal", and so on. Neither to God, nor to communism, nor to democracy, respectively, they have a relationship ...
                Some say that the king was shot correctly! Others are wrong! He is a saint! That this will already change ... there is no Empire for a long time, even the USSR - 20 years as ... sheer clicks.
          2. klimpopov
            klimpopov 17 July 2013 12: 06 New
            0
            They drink tea with him laughing
        2. klimpopov
          klimpopov 17 July 2013 12: 06 New
          +2
          then Russia will have a new king.

          Already have ... Just do not still understand.
          1. experienced
            experienced 17 July 2013 12: 11 New
            +1
            Quote: klimpopov
            Already have ... Just do not still understand.

            We have not understood yet, but the rule is that the Tsar is good and knows nothing, and the bad ministers who steal behind the Tsar and rob people are visible in our blood hi
          2. Bronis
            Bronis 17 July 2013 13: 26 New
            0
            Quote: klimpopov
            then Russia will have a new king.
            Already have ... Just do not still understand

            Yeah, with the prince ... laughing
            1. klimpopov
              klimpopov 17 July 2013 14: 07 New
              0
              Tell who the prince is ...
              1. Bronis
                Bronis 17 July 2013 16: 20 New
                +1
                Well, who ... who was the acting president of the President in 2008-2012? For the lovely ladies!
                1. klimpopov
                  klimpopov 17 July 2013 16: 34 New
                  0
                  Not this one will not ride ...
      3. Gato
        Gato 17 July 2013 11: 54 New
        0
        beer and popcorn

        And I'm cognac with lemon, sprinkled with sugar and coffee powder drinks
        As far as I know, this is the recipe of one of the Romanovs. At least there was some benefit from them. wassat
        1. S-200
          S-200 17 July 2013 12: 22 New
          0
          Quote: Gato
          beer and popcorn

          And I'm cognac with lemon, sprinkled with sugar and coffee powder drinks
          As far as I know, this is the recipe of one of the Romanovs. At least there was some benefit from them. wassat

          sprinkled with lemon salt (to taste) with ground natural coffee! (Nicholas II)
          I RECOMMEND for brandy ... hi
          and as Cat Matroskin advised - "You need to put a sandwich on the tongue with sausage!"
          laughing
        2. klimpopov
          klimpopov 17 July 2013 12: 23 New
          +1
          This is directly an invention of Nicholas. hi
          coffee powder

          Sprinkled with ground coffee!
          1. Gato
            Gato 17 July 2013 12: 38 New
            +2
            Sprinkled with ground coffee!

            Mercy for clarification, I am in the know hi
            Natural ground ended, and too lazy to go to the shop, and even here SUCH a bullfight! fellow
      4. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 17 July 2013 11: 57 New
        -1
        Quote: seasoned
        one of the Romanovs is now "blown away" on the site

        I'm afraid to ask who?
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 12: 46 New
          +2
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          I'm afraid to ask who?

          And do not be afraid, ask.
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 17 July 2013 15: 33 New
            0
            I don’t remember what we would drink at the Brudershaft !!!
            so what without familiarities
  • My address
    My address 17 July 2013 11: 05 New
    +4
    Bad work is like stealing. Bad autocrat was. In vain his then-liberals called him “bloody” for not wanting to reschedule a coronation because of the catastrophe of Khodyn. He was indifferent to everything except his family, and indifferent to the country. And he died not as an emperor, but as an ordinary citizen, since have denied
  • Djozz
    Djozz 17 July 2013 11: 11 New
    +2
    Read Romanov’s diaries, laudatory commemorations will fade away at once, dullness and interest only in your family. The reaction to the death of Rozhdestvensky’s squadron is especially hardened. A brief condolences, and then pee with maman tea.
    1. d1m1drol
      d1m1drol 17 July 2013 11: 30 New
      +4
      I’m reading comments and I understand the following: sympathy and kindness left your hearts, cruelty and anger reigned there. This I mean that any killed person .. whether the emperor or a small child is worthy of being remembered with a good word. You have forgotten the wisdom of the ancestors: about the dead either good or nothing. so stop gentlemen please stop watering the dead. None of us will ever know the truth who and how the last Russian emperor was. Through the prism of years, truth has long been worn out. Personally for myself, that I will go and put a candle for the repose of the Romanov family.
      1. experienced
        experienced 17 July 2013 11: 36 New
        +5
        Quote: d1m1drol
        This I mean that any killed person .. whether the emperor or a small child is worthy of being remembered with a good word.

        Let us remember Hitler, Goebbels with a kind word .... Maybe this heresy is enough to fence? If a person is worthy, then he is remembered with a good word both during life and after death, and if Judas and the murderer then it is necessary to say so regardless whether he is alive or dead
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 12: 47 New
          +3
          Quote: seasoned
          Let us remember Hitler, Goebbels with a kind word.

          Lech. You generally fucked the Tsar of Russia with Hitler to compare, what are you sitting under the kaif?
          1. experienced
            experienced 17 July 2013 12: 52 New
            +1
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Lech. You generally fucked the Tsar of Russia with Hitler to compare, what are you sitting under the kaif?

            I’m not sitting normally, meeting tonight, and therefore not a drop ... And you better read what I posted my comment on
            Quote: d1m1drol
            It's me that any killed person.. whether the emperor or the little child is worthy to be remembered with a good word.

            And what am I wrong in? Chikatilo also killed (execution after murder), too, to remember him with a kind word? I understand everything, but when I begin to go overboard in my "missionary work" I can be rude
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 13: 58 New
              +6
              Quote: seasoned
              Chikatilo also killed (execution after murder), too, to remember him with a kind word?

              I read and did not understand you, completely.
            2. d1m1drol
              d1m1drol 17 July 2013 15: 03 New
              0
              I thought by default it is not worth comparing the Russian Emperor with Hitler and Chekatila. Read between the lines. It was not about a candle for the rest of it.
            3. d1m1drol
              d1m1drol 17 July 2013 15: 19 New
              +4
              I believe that the Romanovs were destroyed as a symbol of Russia at that time. That they could not arrange a counter-revolution to overthrow the Bolsheviks. And what is written about the fact that he denied .. I think there are many ways to force a person to sign something.
        2. grafrozow
          grafrozow 17 July 2013 12: 57 New
          +1
          Yes, old-timer, you got numb from beer. I found someone to compare with. Or has a "squirrel" already come to you?
      2. Djozz
        Djozz 17 July 2013 11: 47 New
        -2
        Maybe And Hitler, Himler and further on the list do not need to touch?
      3. Burbur
        Burbur 17 July 2013 12: 06 New
        +3
        No, really. It is not necessary to equate the Emperor and the Royal family with ordinary, ordinary people. The imperial crown, she not only gives rights, but also imputes duties. But with this, Nikolai Romanov was in no way. Absolutely. For which he himself and his family and the whole Empire paid.
    2. GreatRussia
      GreatRussia 17 July 2013 12: 49 New
      +1
      Quote: Djozz
      Read Romanov’s diaries, laudatory commemorations will fade away at once, dullness and interest only in your family. The reaction to the death of Rozhdestvensky’s squadron is especially hardened. A brief condolences, and then pee with maman tea.

      Which ones? Censored by the Bolshevik agitprop?
      1. Djozz
        Djozz 17 July 2013 14: 28 New
        0
        Why, the site Chronos story, laid out uncensored.
  • Perch_xnumx
    Perch_xnumx 17 July 2013 11: 16 New
    +2
    Quote: seasoned

    Probably would be fucked up, but "God doesn’t give horns to a vigorous cow"

    You would chop wood, and you would get what you deserved for these firewood in the end.
  • lexe
    lexe 17 July 2013 11: 21 New
    0
    That’s where the logic of the denunciators of the king? And people who have logic is absolute.
    But there is someone to compare with. Gorbachev is a great friend of the liberal forces. But the one who did not change his people and became a victim. But the tsar had the opportunity to survive, blood ties in Europe were not an empty phrase.
    What does it mean to bring to the revolution? The revolution was made by people who thoroughly studied the experience of pitting people. And it was not just an organization, but a closed world backstage-government with phenomenal levers of power.
    Russia would have won the 1st World War under Nicholas 2, and without disruption and monstrous losses as in 1945, there is also someone to compare ...
    The main sign of the success of power is the growth of the people. Well, and how was this with the king?
    You need to understand that the revolution in 1917 was against the backdrop of a sharp jump in scientific and technological progress. And all that was old seemed like an anachronism, stagnation. Notice exactly at the moment of a sharp jump in technology that revolution takes place. And this is not just a coincidence ...
    This is a method of struggle for the worldview of people.
    So in 1917 we were faced with a new phenomenon. Against which there was no antidote. But we know that then the owner of the Russian land stood at the post until the end. This is an example to follow. The people should know that the captain will not leave the ship in any case. And only then the team will repay the same.
    1. Bronis
      Bronis 17 July 2013 11: 32 New
      0
      Quote: Lexi
      So in 1917. we are faced with a new phenomenon. Against which there was no antidote. But we know that then the owner of the Russian land to the end stood at his post.

      This misfortune swept across Mother Russia back in the second half of the 19th century in the form of revolutionary, terrorist and strike movements. And in 1905, there was a "dress rehearsal". And also against the backdrop of the war.
      Quote: Lexi
      What does it mean brought to revolution?
      Disowned. And not because the revolution began directly. There were unrest, which even happened in prosperous 1911. Nikolai was just tired, and his entourage urged him to renounce. The February Revolution began to be called revolution after renunciation. Accordingly, Nikolai needed a reason to renounce, he found him ...
      Quote: Lexi
      The main sign of the success of power is the growth of the people. Well, and how was this with the king?
      I’m surprised, but in agricultural countries the growth is always large. In urban industrial - less. With this logic, Papua New Guinea is a superpower.
      1. lexe
        lexe 17 July 2013 12: 15 New
        +3
        1905 was the running-in of 1917. The officer corps prevented in 1905. Errors were taken into account. 1917 was the year of the terrible massacre of the officer corps. The Guard was almost completely exterminated in frontal attacks.
        It took a long time to prepare this attack. The creators were in no hurry. They were talking about breaking 1000-year-old traditions. And they were able to manage the riots in the monarchy. There was a gradual recruitment of the elite and the middle class by all means — literature, new ideas, angry calls of scientists about universal backwardness, provocation and terror. There was a clear attempt to intimidate the faithful supporters of the authorities. Stolypin’s murder, for example.
        I’m surprised, but in agricultural countries the growth is always large. In urban industrial - less. With this logic, Papua New Guinea is a superpower.

        You want to say that Guinea can feed the whole of Europe?
        Mindless industrialization-if you remove all the husk-this is an easy way to limit the number ...
        But Russia then had only 2 faithful allies. There was no nuclear weapons. The issue of quantity was decisive in the struggle for survival. That is why the issue of quality was not resolved. That's when the tsars began to solve these problems (economic growth, gentle industrialization, development of consumer cooperatives ) and all this at a high birth rate! - a revolution has occurred.
        The revolution was like a nesting doll. First in power, traitors are liberals, then Bolsheviks-Trotskyists, then Bolsheviks-Stalinists. And each with his own idea. And each new step is blood.
        Yes, Kerensky sobbed abroad, realizing that he was only the first stage of the booster rocket. You can pick up other words. Alekseev, seeing the chaos in all its glory, also regretted that he had betrayed the tsar.
        The king denied only when he saw total betrayal in his environment.During the war of his people, he could not hang the best military leaders!Arrange 1937 in 1915 it was suicide. But self-denial is also shrouded in mystery, apparently the groundwork for the fight remained once he was killed.
  • Isk1984
    Isk1984 17 July 2013 11: 22 New
    +5
    Well, then you don’t need to blame everything on the Bolsheviks either, in fact, he abdicated the throne not at the will of the Bolsheviks, his own monarchists, democrats "begged", and respect for him was not just at the top of the empire of that time, the people that he was always a good father he believed in the Tsar, but about the shooting of a separate song, essays in general were in charge of them all ... Yes, children are always sorry ... we just won’t give examples of how many thousands died in tsarist "well-fed" Russia where from illness where from hopeless poverty, where just a gentleman passing by he crushed the little hooves with his hooves, So the people here do not understand that the USSR made people really equal, or would you all like if you were born by birth and everything else .... with oil ....
    He, as the leader of a vast empire, had every chance of correcting many shortcomings (the rules were still in place at the end of the 19th century), but he didn’t want to .... because he was correctly told he didn’t care and he regarded his people as an application to the crown ...
  • does it
    does it 17 July 2013 11: 29 New
    0
    I respect Nicholas 2 only because he stayed in Russia, he had the opportunity to go abroad with his relatives, but he stayed and was shot by representatives of the people whom he ruled until his abdication. As for "holiness"! the church has always bogged down on this money, be it a name or just power.
    1. Djozz
      Djozz 17 July 2013 11: 52 New
      -1
      Did not have! Not a single country in Europe announced his family.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 12: 48 New
        +3
        Quote: Djozz
        Not a single country in Europe announced his family.

        would want to leave, left. he stayed here.
        1. Mikado
          Mikado 18 July 2013 22: 01 New
          -2
          he wanted it, he’s only been in custody since the February Revolution, they agreed on Great Britain, but the king there sent the three-letter King Nikolashka
      2. Apollo
        Apollo 17 July 2013 12: 54 New
        +7
        Quote: Djozz
        Not a single country in Europe announced his family.


        The homeland of Tsar Nicholas was not Europe but Russia, this speaks of his patriotism and devotion to the fatherland. But if he would leave Russia it would not be the church but the people would anathema him. I am not a supporter of any monarchy. My main outrage at the forum is that he didn’t do human things with his family and with him personally.
      3. does it
        does it 17 July 2013 13: 45 New
        +3
        Quote: Djozz
        Did not have! Not a single country in Europe announced his family.

        How was it not? as far as I remember from history, negotiations were underway on the evacuation of the empress by her relatives. The main thing was to bring the empress and one of the children from Russia, and he was up to the bulb with the other children.
  • soldier's grandson
    soldier's grandson 17 July 2013 11: 43 New
    -3
    about the king it’s not worth wasting time on nago, it’s a pity for the children, and the people who are tormented with this ruler
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 12: 50 New
      +4
      Quote: soldier's grandson
      about the king it’s not worth wasting time on nago, it’s a pity for the children, and the people who are tormented with this ruler

      Oh, here he is a lover in quotation marks of the Jews. But weren't the majority of Jews overthrown the Tsar ????? a thousand questions to your person, and for whose money, who supported? Though read, maybe you will fool
      1. soldier's grandson
        soldier's grandson 17 July 2013 17: 23 New
        -6
        do you need a king get ready to follow my orders. and who the Jews removed there or the Germans do not care for me, if his system is rotten in the bud, then it’s his own fault that he kept such a rabble with him, and the Jews lived well
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 17 July 2013 17: 28 New
          -1
          Quote: soldier's grandson
          do you need a king get ready to follow my orders

          Well, you can talk about any leader, king, president, premiere, etc.
          1. does it
            does it 17 July 2013 19: 26 New
            +1
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            Quote: soldier's grandson
            do you need a king get ready to follow my orders

            Well, you can talk about any leader, king, president, premiere, etc.

            You at least start with the superintendent, the head of the workshop, and so on. And then immediately ministers, prime ministers.
  • Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 17 July 2013 11: 51 New
    +3
    It’s interesting why when you talk about the First World War, the defenders of a simple citizen Romanov, who became just as ordinary a man as a janitor Kuzmich or a locksmith Petrovich, say that there were no such losses in this war as the “bloody Bolshevik regime” allowed and the Germans did not go so far to Moscow as in the Great Patriotic War. So I’m sure that if the Tsar’s army had collided with the Wehrmacht for 41 years, the Germans would have gone much further than Moscow to Krasnoyarsk for sure. Let's not compare the different conditions of 1914 and 1941. Citizen Romanov didn’t even think about family, he knew the story of what happens to the ousted monarchs and their families. The interim government was ready to release the whole family, why stay? If you are a Tsar, take care of the country, die but ensure prosperity, if you are no longer the Tsar, then take care of family, die, but ensure her safety. Nicholas did neither the first nor the second. And I'm sorry than the royal family is better than thousands of other families cut out by white or red or bandits or Czechs or interventionists or nationalists, so it turns out we have a whole holy country?
    1. klimpopov
      klimpopov 17 July 2013 12: 24 New
      +3
      and the Germans did not go so far to Moscow as in the Great Patriotic War

      Moreover, in general, they fought little on their territory and were ready to take Berlin. But who was Nikolai’s wife?
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 15: 05 New
        +3
        Quote: klimpopov
        who didn’t fight much on their territory and were ready to take Berlin. But who was Nikolai’s wife?

        Klim. And if logically?
        1. klimpopov
          klimpopov 17 July 2013 15: 35 New
          +1
          So hint at the logic wink Why deployed?
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 15: 47 New
            +4
            Quote: klimpopov
            So hint at the logic

            Klim.I am already tired today with you all. Take a look at what you wrote, which, according to your logic, prevented the empress from taking and pushing Nicholas not to intervene in the warrior. This is much easier. Why dissuade him from taking Berlin. Another tale, remember the recent history of Russia. Gorbachev ruled Rais, Yessltsin his wife. All the same, always.
            1. klimpopov
              klimpopov 17 July 2013 16: 16 New
              +1
              Yes, and I'm a little tired. But for some reason they didn’t take Berlin ... Okay, I’ve all passed drinks
              1. grafrozow
                grafrozow 17 July 2013 17: 45 New
                +1
                hi
                Quote: klimpopov
                Okay all i pass drinks

                Yes Klim, you caught two aces on a meager.
                1. klimpopov
                  klimpopov 17 July 2013 18: 05 New
                  +4
                  And what of the empty grind? Yes, everyone will stay with them. I respect Sanya! Although he doesn’t agree everywhere, he is honest!
      2. soldier's grandson
        soldier's grandson 17 July 2013 17: 35 New
        -3
        in the 41st, all of Europe fought against us, and in the WWII, the EU had allies in Europe, so they didn’t even reach Moscow
    2. lexe
      lexe 17 July 2013 12: 44 New
      0
      Since I’m sure that if the Tsar’s army had collided with the Wehrmacht for 41 years, the Germans would have come much further than Moscow, approximately to Krasnoyarsk

      I think they would go further laughing -to Kamchatka and Vladivostok. Here in quality of whom laughing Correctly as prisoners. In general, with the Germans, living in peace in one country is not the worst option. We have many different neighbors.
      No wonder Putin showed Frau Merkel urban-type villages beyond the Urals laughing with Russian Germans.
      Article nationalism.-US figures-50 million Germans
      Theoretically in 1941. the king could have everyone under the scepter !!! Slavs and allied Germany without problems with the peaceful resettlement of German citizens on 1/6 of the land. But 1/6 with such an alliance is a convention. Rather, it is the fiery motor of the planet. laughing
    3. Retx
      Retx 17 July 2013 13: 07 New
      0
      Quote: Standard Oil
      It’s interesting why when you talk about the First World War, the defenders of a simple citizen Romanov, who became just as ordinary a man as a janitor Kuzmich or a locksmith Petrovich, say that there were no such losses in this war as the “bloody Bolshevik regime” allowed and the Germans did not go so far to Moscow as in the Great Patriotic War. So I’m sure that if the Tsar’s army had collided with the Wehrmacht for 41 years, then the Germans would have gone much further than Moscow, they would have definitely reached Krasnoyarsk. Let's not compare the different conditions of 1914 and 1941.

      Oh, that commies that monarchists are nonsense. It is necessary to be able to compare two non-existent armies. But if you insist on a comparison, then the Tsar’s army in the WWI proved to be more organized, which can’t be said about the Soviet army at 41. Because of this, there are srach.
      1. Djozz
        Djozz 17 July 2013 13: 23 New
        0
        And the death of the whole Samsonov’s army, the top of the military art of the Tsar’s army?
        1. Retx
          Retx 17 July 2013 13: 31 New
          +2
          Why did you write this?
          I noticed a general assessment of the actions of the armies. I can also say about the environment near Kiev in 41 and the deaths of more than 600 thousand people
          1. Djozz
            Djozz 17 July 2013 13: 43 New
            -2
            This is about the organization of the imperial army.
      2. Isk1984
        Isk1984 17 July 2013 14: 04 New
        +3
        What is more organized? they also fought heroically yes, this could not be taken away ... But because of the incompetent command they ended up in coppers and in Poland and in East Prussia, then they were left without shells at all ... almost with sticks and halberds the Austrian infantry attacks repelled ...
        1. Djozz
          Djozz 17 July 2013 14: 37 New
          -3
          I beg your pardon with the Germans. correction.
        2. Retx
          Retx 17 July 2013 16: 23 New
          +4
          Officers Then it was a more prepared caste of the population. The Red Army had problems with this, a well-known fact. The heroism of soldiers has been an example for us all over the centuries and the fears of the whole world.
          As soon as the officers were poked, the Germans in Kiev together with the Brest-Litovsk peace. Therefore, those who call the tsarist army worthless are fools. The tragedies of 1941 grow straight from the WWI and civilian.
          1. rereture
            rereture 21 July 2013 14: 55 New
            +1
            Damn, none of the people wanted to fight, how many cases of twinning with the Austrians.
    4. grafrozow
      grafrozow 17 July 2013 17: 38 New
      +3
      Quote: Standard Oil
      .I am so sure that if the tsarist army had collided with the Wehrmacht for 41 years, then the Germans would have gone much further than Moscow, approximately they would have reached Krasnoyarsk.

      Boris, you’re wrong. Let's still figure out what would happen if the Russian army collided with the Wehrmacht in 1812. on the Borodino field. Please explain to me, the Tsar was at war with the Germans, the USSR was at war with the Germans, but there were no Bandera, ROA, Muslim battalions, Latvian SS, forest brothers under the Tsar. There were Russians who fled from German captivity, even though a bloody soldier sent Nikolai to Kalyma ? Made a traitor to the motherland? Where did the so many traitors come from under the native Soviet power, the state of WORKERS? After all, the motherland of those and others was one. In 1914.-Tsar, in 1941.-Stalin, heaven-earth. Answer please.
  • Opera
    Opera 17 July 2013 11: 59 New
    +6
    “If some clergymen are very unworthy shepherds, this does not mean that the priesthood itself, established by God for our salvation, must be abolished. Once Bishop Theophan the Recluse said that if grace always sought only worthy shepherds, then people would have been left without baptism and lost eternal salvation. The same should be said of the king and royal authority. " "Russia is a saving ark afloat before the eyes of mankind drowning in sin"
    Archbishop Seraphim (Sobolev) is deeply revered in the Slavic world as a righteous seer through whose prayers miracles were performed and miracles are still being performed.
    Quote: Standard Oil
    Forgive us Tsar-Father! Forgive us dark idiots who are tired of rotting in the trenches of the First World War for the interests of Great Britain and France, forgive us for not appreciating your good intentions, when they shot unarmed people and hung peasants, forgive us for the merged Russo-Japanese War when your Tsar-Batiushka played a point and you agreed to peace with Japan, which is on its last legs, forgive us for the great martyr for not appreciating the purchase of domestic industry by foreigners, forgive me for the fact that the majority of the population was illiterate and lived worse Papuans in New Guinea, forgive us sinners for the epic fails in foreign policy and in domestic, too, we did not appreciate the holy power of the “master of the Russian land.” Forgive also your generals who removed you, great commander! from power, probably all of them were communist atheists, as well as many of their relatives who threw your family all at once, those who swore allegiance yesterday. In short, forgive us for the millions of dead and the chaos into which you plunged the country into your dumb and illiterate, limp management, forgive us the rag-king for everything!





    Quote: Standard Oil

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    If I'm wrong in something, then correct me, monarchies!

    And what to correct you ?! Why did you stop ?! Go on ...
  • nokki
    nokki 17 July 2013 12: 02 New
    +5
    Comrades! And in some part - of the Lord! I advise you to carefully read the cycle of novels by the remarkable Russian writer Dmitry Balashov, "Sovereigns of Moscow", as well as his very instructive historical novel "Balthazar Cossa" - about Pope John XXIII. And you will understand that the burden of power is not a game of strategy on the computer, where it is so easy to control units and move armads of troops. And not a gaming forum where one can maliciously call a "sucker" an experienced player who made a fatal mistake under certain circumstances.

    This is exactly the BURDEN. Painful, bloody. Sometimes - an overwhelming ... God's Gift. But a gift that many would instantly refuse, offer them now!

    It’s not for us, and for a second who hasn’t been in the shoes of, say, Nicholas II or Stalin, to argue about how we would act dexterously in this or that case ... To each - his own!

    It strikes another. In some comments, a pathological hatred for a person who has no doubt died a martyr, violent death skips. It reminds me of the times of the civil war in Russia at the beginning of the 20th century. Remember, Zoshchenko:
    - Let me shoot you!
    - For what!!!
    - And for courage!
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 12: 52 New
      +6
      Quote: nokki
      It reminds me of the times of the civil war in Russia at the beginning of the XNUMXth century.

      Yes, a warrior, but only fortunately on the site. The history of people has not taught anything.
      1. Ruslan_F38
        Ruslan_F38 17 July 2013 15: 25 New
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Quote: nokki
        It reminds me of the times of the civil war in Russia at the beginning of the XNUMXth century.

        Yes, a warrior, but only fortunately on the site. The history of people has not taught anything.



        Unfortunately, the war is no longer just on the site. There is no faith - this is terrible. And they don’t understand who and what they spit about with their conclusions! How do they live without faith, without foundation, without truth, turning everything upside down? I can’t understand these characters, even though I can’t kill.
    2. Ruslan_F38
      Ruslan_F38 17 July 2013 15: 31 New
      +2
      Quote: nokki
      It strikes another. In some comments, a pathological hatred for a person who has no doubt died a martyr, violent death skips. It reminds me of the times of the civil war in Russia at the beginning of the 20th century. Remember, Zoshchenko:
      - Let me shoot you!
      - For what!!!
      - And for courage!


      Yes, that’s the whole point of the majority, not some comments! Mockery, as it were, seemed to be given to the "criminal" to be torn to pieces, and not a martyr for Russia, for faith!
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 17 July 2013 15: 36 New
        -5
        Quote: Ruslan_F38
        and not a martyr for Russia, for faith!

        They undoubtedly killed, but explain what death was for Vera, for Russia? !!!!!
        1. Ruslan_F38
          Ruslan_F38 17 July 2013 15: 49 New
          +3
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          Quote: Ruslan_F38
          and not a martyr for Russia, for faith!

          They undoubtedly killed, but explain what death was for Vera, for Russia? !!!!!


          And for whom ??? !!!!!!!!! It’s only a pity that reading your comments, you understand - apparently in vain and there remains only the hope that a minority like you! Below is another comment of mine, more detailed - especially for a group of comrades who do not believe in anything other than their own "I"!
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 17 July 2013 16: 15 New
            -3
            Quote: Ruslan_F38
            And for whom ??? !!!!!!!!! It’s only a pity that reading your comments, you understand - apparently in vain and there remains only the hope that a minority like you! Below is another comment of mine, more detailed - especially for a group of comrades who do not believe in anything other than their own "I"!

            you do not ascribe your thoughts to others
            clearly and distinctly WHAT IS THE BENEFIT OF NICHOLAS DEATH FOR FAITH AND HOMELAND? !!!!!
        2. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 17 July 2013 15: 51 New
          -1
          only emotions and no analysis; you can’t answer a simple question except as a minus
          1. Ruslan_F38
            Ruslan_F38 17 July 2013 16: 09 New
            +1
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            only emotions and no analysis; you can’t answer a simple question except as a minus


            I replied, read my comment below. I didn’t put you a minus, what kind of nonsense? But I won’t put a plus for emotions either.
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 17 July 2013 16: 13 New
              -1
              and where did you get that I answered you? !!!
          2. grafrozow
            grafrozow 17 July 2013 17: 59 New
            +2
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            only emotions and no analysis; you can’t answer a simple question except as a minus

            Mind RUSSIA does not understand, RUSSIA needs to LOVE!
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 15: 37 New
        +4
        Quote: Ruslan_F38
        Yes, that’s the whole point of the majority, not some comments! Mockery, as it were, seemed to be given to the "criminal" to be torn to pieces, and not a martyr for Russia, for faith!

        And God bless him, I'm tired of them already.