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30 is being performed since the adoption of the Granit anti-ship missile system.

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30 is being performed since the adoption of the Granit anti-ship missile system.

Since the adoption of the anti-ship missile complex "Granit" developed by JSC "MIC" NPO Mashinostroeniya "19 July 30 years.


The message dedicated to the jubilee date is posted on the website of JSC VPK NPO Mashinostroyenia.

“In the conditions of the ensuing post-war confrontation, the main threat to our country came from the oceans. If on land our country militarily did not yield to the United States, its NATO allies and other military blocs, then at sea their superiority was absolute.

Thus, in 1968, the first American atomic strike aircraft carrier of the new generation CVN 68 Nimitz was laid - the founder of a large series of ships of this class. Compared to its predecessors, the Nimitz had a higher survivability and increased strike power. New interceptors interacted with deck DRLO aircraft, which had the ability to simultaneously accompany several dozen airplanes and cruise missiles flying at various altitudes (including extremely small ones) at a distance of up to 300 km and direct fighter-interceptors at them. The frontier of air defense and missile defense of the US Navy aircraft carrier has expanded significantly, reaching 450-500km.

As a result, the "anti-aircraft" capabilities of the Soviet SSGN of the 675 project appeared to be insufficient to ensure the destruction of its groups. It was necessary to create a new, much more powerful and “long-range” missile complex with an underwater launch, providing for the application of masked strikes from under the water to ships from long distances with the possibility of selective destruction of targets.

Thus, in accordance with the Decree of the Central Committee of the CPSU and USSR Council No. 539-186 of 10.07.1969, the development of a long-range Granit anti-ship missile system for arming new nuclear submarines and missile cruisers began.

The essence of the development was to create a powerful group of strike nuclear submarines with supersonic anti-ship cruise missiles of long range. It was just such a PKR that the “Granit” rocket created by the team of the NPO Mashinostroenia was created.

As conceived by the design team, the rocket can be used both from surface ships and from submarines.

But not only high flight characteristics and a homing head protected from electronic countermeasures of homing allow the Granit rocket to steadily retain its unique combat capabilities. The main advantage of the rocket - the implementation of the original methods of targeting. It embodied the extensive experience of the NPO Mashinostroeniya to create electronic systems of artificial intelligence, which allows them to act against a single ship with one rocket or a volley against a warrant of ships. It is in the salvo that all the unsurpassed tactical capabilities of the Russian weapons.

The missiles themselves will distribute and classify according to the importance of the target, they will choose the tactics of attack and the plan for its conduct. To eliminate errors when choosing a maneuver and defeat a given target, electronic data on modern classes of ships are incorporated into the onboard computer of the rocket. In addition, the car also has purely tactical information, for example, about the type of orders of the ships, which allows the rocket to determine who is in front of it - a convoy, an aircraft carrier or amphibious group, and attack its main targets.

Also in the on-board computer there are data on countering the enemy’s electronic warfare equipment, capable of jamming away missiles from the target, tactical methods of evading anti-aircraft weapons from fire. After the launch, the missiles themselves decide which of them will attack which goal and which maneuvers for this purpose must be carried out in accordance with the mathematical algorithms laid down in the program of behavior. The missile has a means of countering the anti-missile attack. Having destroyed the main target in the ship group, the remaining missiles attack other warrant ships, eliminating the possibility of two missiles hitting the same target.

After lengthy and comprehensive tests, by the Decree of the Central Committee of the CPSU and USSR CM No. 686-214 of 19.07.1983, the Granit complex was adopted for use atomic submarines of the new generation Ave. .949.

Today, JSC VPK NPO Mashinostroyenia is implementing a program to support the high efficiency of the Granit rocket throughout its service life.

The technical solutions implemented in the design of the Granit missile formed the basis for the concept of creating a new type of anti-ship missiles. ”
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  1. experienced
    experienced 16 July 2013 12: 07 New
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    Thus, in accordance with the Decree of the Central Committee of the CPSU and USSR Council No. 539-186 of 10.07.1969, the development of a long-range Granit anti-ship missile system for arming new nuclear submarines and missile cruisers began.

    What country prosra..i, the Party said it is necessary and did everything. And now the Moscow Region says that we need this and that, but he has no money, no specialists, money was stolen ... crying
    1. nycsson
      nycsson 16 July 2013 13: 15 New
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      Low bow to Soviet scientists, engineers and designers !!! hi I will not tire of repeating it! Now we are not capable of this. crying
      We are able to sink orbital stations in the ocean, but to explode satellites at the start! am
      I want to remind you that all the weapons and military equipment that have been issued by our defense industry in recent years are all the designs of Soviet designers. We haven’t come up with anything new! am
      1. 11 black
        11 black 16 July 2013 18: 36 New
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        Quote: nycsson
        Low bow to Soviet scientists, engineers and designers !!! hi I will not tire of repeating it! Now we are not capable of this. crying
        We are able to sink orbital stations in the ocean, but to explode satellites at the start! am
        I want to remind you that all the weapons and military equipment that have been issued by our defense industry in recent years are all the designs of Soviet designers. We haven’t come up with anything new! am

        I fundamentally disagree - for example, PAK FA was already created in Russia, with 400 it was created in Russia, the unique air-to-air rocket 172 was practically created in Russia, you are tired of whining with your USSR, everyone can whine, but to create a new one in place of the old one, a stronger state ... there were failures in the USSR as well, just everything was kept secret and nobody told about failures, but there were huge successes, but there were no less huge failures, and the fact that the whole country worked for the defense not good, it ruined the USSR - people wanted a better life and some CT we played about it, we’re raking it now, and the USSR didn’t shove Gorbachev and Co., but ALL WE, all who allowed this collapse, if the people rebelled wouldn’t fall apart, and so “They took sovereignty as much as they could take away” and arrived, we were sneakers and Pepsi Cola with democracy, Gorbachev and overseas friends just played it, people did, after all, stood at the time for Yeltsin - you must agree !!! so that the USSR, not the USSR - whatever we call the Russians, the Slavs - and there will be more discoveries in Russia, and the Army will be, Moscow did not immediately build, and let me take the minuses from Urya patriots and USSRfills but THIS SO !!! and stop whining already - KNOW WEAKNESS !!!
        1. Alekseev
          Alekseev 16 July 2013 19: 21 New
          +4
          Quote: 11 black
          and there will be more discoveries in Russia, and the Army will

          I want it myself, yes! smile
          But you look around again - the “brothel squatting” and doubts prevail, faith weakens, however ...
          And something, undoubtedly, is being done, but "not being awakened enough", however, there is no system.
          1. 11 black
            11 black 16 July 2013 20: 41 New
            -2
            Quote: Alekseev
            I want it myself, yes! smile
            But you look around again - the “brothel squatting” and doubts prevail, faith weakens, however ...
            And something, undoubtedly, is being done, but "not being awakened enough", however, there is no system.

            I agree with you, but I repeat - Moscow wasn’t built right away, and if you recall 90е, when 80% of the fleet (NEW) was cut into metal, you are so surprised that this “something” is still being done, agree in comparison with what it was 10 years progress is obvious backward, if it goes on like this, then even through 10 we can see Russia in all its glory (I would like it very much), and the GDP has recently proved itself to be the best (Syria has not been surrendered, I overcame the entire G7 at the summit , more and more often sudden exercises for the scale of which is not a shame, and the equipment in the troops is not enough comes in (the main deliveries after 2015 will be - we'll see there)) so long as there is every reason to believe that everything is still ahead! ... I would really like drinks
            1. nycsson
              nycsson 16 July 2013 22: 49 New
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              Quote: 11 black
              and if you recall 90,

              Enough already remember 90! How can? request
              Quote: 11 black
              agree in comparison with what was 10 years ago, progress is obvious,

              What is the progress? Let's be more specific. In the sale of oil and gas - here I agree!
              Quote: 11 black
              if it goes on like this, then after another 10, maybe we will see Russia in all its glory (I would like very much),

              After 10 years, you will hardly find Russian in Russia! Take an interest in labor migrants.
              Quote: 11 black
              Yes, and GDP has recently proved to be the best.

              He ruined the army.
              The law on education signed.
              Housing and communal services per cap. owners will pay repair now, etc.
              Quote: 11 black
              the main deliveries after 2015 will be - we'll see there)

              Don't say a gop until you jump over. We did not have time to accept the program on public defense, and the money had already been transferred to 16-17 of the year. What 15 year are we talking about?
              Quote: 11 black
              would love to

              So you wrote all this because you really want to! You really look at things, not at your Wishlist!
              1. 11 black
                11 black 17 July 2013 00: 06 New
                +1
                Quote: nycsson
                and if you recall 90,

                Enough already remember 90! How can? request
                Quote: 11 black
                agree in comparison with what was 10 years ago, progress is obvious,

                What is the progress? Let's be more specific. In the sale of oil and gas - here I agree!

                And do you compare the level of salaries - or you forgot how cheap a salary you gave furniture, how a bus ride cost millions, how racket flourished, how officers paid a penny, how they stood in line for a loaf of bread from 7 morning to 2 day, how the army fell apart, like the country was falling apart from the Yeltsin decrees ...
                Quote: nycsson
                He ruined the army.


                The law on education signed.

                Housing and communal services per cap. owners will pay repair now, etc.

                it was not GDP that collapsed the army, but Gorbaty and Yeltsin, when they sawed everything on metal, and the country crumbled under them - with the advent of GDP and the vertical of power everything slowly but surely got better - FACT
                I do not argue - there are cons, but there are many advantages. And did Brezhnev, Khrushchev, Stalin, etc., etc., had no minuses - listing the keyboard will crack !!!
                Quote: nycsson
                the main deliveries after 2015 will be - we'll see there)

                Don't say a gop until you jump over. We did not have time to accept the program on public defense, and the money had already been transferred to 16-17 of the year. What 15 year are we talking about?

                I had in mind the period from 15 to 20, but how did you want everything at once - it doesn’t happen dear :)
                Quote: nycsson
                would love to

                So you wrote all this because you really want to! You really look at things, not at your Wishlist!


                Do you really think that Russia will not be able to create something like a Granite rocket, and that you really look at things? laughing good fool
                1. dustycat
                  dustycat 17 July 2013 19: 20 New
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                  Quote: 11 black


                  And you compare the level of salaries - or you forgot how cheap furniture salaries were given


                  Hmm ..
                  In 1988, I could buy a furniture set for my monthly salary.
                  In 1990, I could buy a furniture set for my monthly salary.
                  In 1995, I could get a furniture set for my monthly salary.
                  In 2000, I could buy a furniture set for my monthly salary.
                  In 2005, I could buy a furniture set for my monthly salary.
                  In 2010, I could buy a furniture set for my monthly salary.
                  In 2013, I could buy a furniture set for my monthly salary.

                  In 1988, I worked as an electrician.
                  In 2013, I work as the chief engineer of a private enterprise.
                  We began to live better ?! belay

                  In 2005, they sat with the guys, fixed computers, monitors, laser printers.
                  And they argued.
                  Came to the conclusion.
                  If you have a deadline and without limitation of funds - you can do a miracle.
                  If there is a limitation of funds and no time limit - you can do a miracle.
                  If there is a time limit and funds - you can only make a commercial.
        2. Consul-t
          Consul-t 16 July 2013 19: 34 New
          +3
          I’m familiar with a military man who said that now new developments are old ideas that at one time were considered unpromising.
          Draw drawings from the cloth, from the archives, set new dates and present upstairs. Like we did.
          Therefore, the mace missiles did not immediately fly.
          That's how the grandmas are washed.
          Hopefully, there are completely new developments, but ...
          1. Pole
            Pole 17 July 2013 01: 07 New
            +1
            In percent 80-90 it is. But! The transition to a new element base allows you to work out faster control algorithms, increase thrust-to-weight ratio, and as a result - combat charge, accuracy and speed of approach to the target.
            About elements of artificial intelligence: Calculation of the trajectory at the final stage of approach to the target has long been worked out. The missile’s brain determines the remaining fuel, the distance to the target, and taxiing is performed along a random path (for example, turning 180 degrees at any moment of flight), optimized for the distance and remaining fuel. I emphasize - a random trajectory! The difference in distance to the target in 300-500 meters can change the flight path completely.
            These developments have completely (not even all) been implemented during the implementation of the Iskander tactical complex.
            And there is still a fuse !!!
            If all the achievements of the USSR are transferred to the modern element base, the Sousses themselves will surrender ....
            1. dustycat
              dustycat 17 July 2013 19: 39 New
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              Quote: Pol
              In percent 80-90 it is. But! The transition to a new element base allows you to work out faster control algorithms, increase thrust-to-weight ratio, and as a result - combat charge, accuracy and speed of approach to the target.


              Can you name a modern analogue of BESM?
              What is the modern analogue of the chess computer Cassiopeia?
              And the Granit artificial intelligence algorithm was developed using BESM codes and the ideology of chess computers. Modern programmers do not know the programming techniques of such processors. They grew up on accounting processors.
              In Russia, there is no 30nm technology. What are 20 ?! Therefore, the Granite processor is made on loose powder.
              In Russia there is no production of the latest materials for engines.
              Those that have roads are unrealistic.
              There are no composites technologies in Russia. And the engine is what it is. Range and maneuverability of Granites is limited by the engine resource.
              In Russia, there is no ideology for the boss to work until the result and the habit of being responsible for the result. There are "effective managers."
              The achievements of the USSR cannot be translated into what is not.
          2. Setrac
            Setrac 17 July 2013 03: 00 New
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            Quote: Consul-t
            I knew a military man

            Your mysterious friend is still a military man or a designer (engineer), where did he get such information from? Or did he personally get projects "out of the cloth"?
            Most likely he learned this from another "acquaintance" and so these tales go from "acquaintance" to "acquaintance", and here you are in the list of "acquaintances", do not forget to pass on to the next "acquaintance".
            1. dustycat
              dustycat 17 July 2013 20: 06 New
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              Can you name what is in the PAK FA and what was not worked out in the USSR?

              Traction vector driven? Yak38.
              Managing weapons by eye? - MiG-27
              Glass cabin? Ka50
              Artificial combat intelligence? KR Granite
              A full-range radar on the AFAR (unless of course they finish it, but it worked in 1970x)? MiG-E23
              Composite cupcake? By 2.
              Composite lining? Yak3.
              Stealth fuselage configuration? MiG-E8.

              With the engine it’s clear - not a revolution - ultra-high-temperature ceramics - in laboratory volumes. There is no engine now.
              1. 11 black
                11 black 17 July 2013 20: 23 New
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                Quote: dustycat
                Traction vector driven? Yak38.
                Managing weapons by eye? - MiG-27
                Glass cabin? Ka50
                Artificial combat intelligence? KR Granite
                A full-range radar on the AFAR (unless of course they finish it, but it worked in 1970x)? MiG-E23
                Composite cupcake? By 2.
                Composite lining? Yak3.
                Stealth fuselage configuration? MiG-E8.

                at least the fact that all this is combined for the first time on an 1 aircraft !!! it also costs a lot
                Well, what's new, so offhand

                1 Smart aircraft skin (the skin is also an ultra-sensitive receiving antenna, allowing the 50 to detect enemy radars with radiation with much greater accuracy)
                2 plasma ignition of engines - allows you to start the engine in the most adverse conditions
                at least it
                1. 11 black
                  11 black 17 July 2013 20: 54 New
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                  Quote: 11 black
                  Traction vector driven? Yak38.
                  Managing weapons by eye? - MiG-27
                  Glass cabin? Ka50
                  Artificial combat intelligence? KR Granite
                  A full-range radar on the AFAR (unless of course they finish it, but it worked in 1970x)? MiG-E23
                  Composite cupcake? By 2.
                  Composite lining? Yak3.
                  Stealth fuselage configuration? MiG-E8.

                  and still did not notice
                  1 where does it come from 2?
                  2 are you really going to compare radar instant 23 with the "Beetle"?
        3. Pilat2009
          Pilat2009 16 July 2013 20: 03 New
          -2
          Quote: 11 black
          sneakers yes pepsi cola with democracy serve

          Bread and circuses!
        4. kosmos44
          kosmos44 16 July 2013 20: 40 New
          +3
          Quote: 11 black
          you are tired of whining with your USSR,


          And name, dear, at least three examples, thanks to which I should be proud of today's Russia! For the USSR to list, the keyboard will not stand.
          1. 11 black
            11 black 16 July 2013 22: 27 New
            -7
            Quote: kosmos44
            And name, dear, at least three examples, thanks to which I should be proud of today's Russia! For the USSR to list, the keyboard will not stand.

            And then you give me at least 3 an example of pride in the USSR for 20 years since its founding - that the Stalinist repressions, thousands of innocents in the camps, total poverty, hunger, persecution of peasants ...
            Russia is just starting its way, wait, there will be examples for you.
            1. nycsson
              nycsson 16 July 2013 22: 57 New
              +2
              Quote: 11 black
              And then you give me at least 3 an example of pride in the USSR for 20 years since its founding - that the Stalinist repressions, thousands of innocents in the camps, total poverty, hunger, persecution of peasants ...
              Russia is just starting its way, wait, there will be examples for you.

              Yeah! Are you holding us for fools? What foundation did the USSR have at the time of its formation, and what legacy did it leave to Russia ?! fool
              We have been waiting for more than 12 years!
              To be honest, I have not comforting conclusions about your person! I can advise you to read more books and the Internet! To expand your horizons! Sorry for being blunt!
              Cosmos44 asked you a specific question, and you answered a question with a question! Although, this is not surprising .........
              1. 11 black
                11 black 16 July 2013 23: 42 New
                -2
                Quote: nycsson
                Yeah! Are you holding us for fools? What foundation did the USSR have at the time of its formation, and what legacy did it leave to Russia ?! fool

                Yes, I left practically nothing - the whole inheritance under Gorbat and Yeltsin was cut into needles - which only costs 80% of the fleet ... this is firstly
                Secondly, the USSR had an excellent foundation at the time of its foundation — don’t teach me history — but the tyranny and senseless cruelty that the peasant fists and believers have treated is a disgrace to Stalin and the USSR FOR AGE !!!
                Thirdly, you very cunningly pose the question - if something is being developed and brought to mind in Russia - then this is all the legacy of your USSR, and I will answer NO to you - this is the merit of SCIENTISTS (Remember how hard Korolev knocked out money for the space program - After all, the leadership was not interested in it, just to throw bombs, remember how many grandiose projects were ruined by the policies of the USSR — the WIG MOON ekranoplanes) and to bring the USSR’s projects to mind, we need a scientific base, and at least not inferior to the USSR, since the USSR’s projects continue to I’m up to mind and new projects appear, then we have it, of course weakened but still there and is developing !!! And for that matter, you will not deny that the USSR used the legacy of tsarist Russia for the first time, but then pulled ahead - now the situation is similar.

                However, I’m sure you won’t understand me and put another minus - your blind faith in the past, in something called the USSR has clouded your mind - sorry for directness, and do not teach me, my erudition, especially in matters of military technology from any of my friends (these are smart people, many 2 towers) have no doubts and everything is in order with my horizons - you except the USSR do not see anything, and in the USSR you see only pluses and do not see minuses point-blank, however this is IMHO, sorry if offended ...
                1. igor.borov775
                  igor.borov775 17 July 2013 02: 11 New
                  +1
                  Hi, 11 BLACK, You beautifully set out, well, almost Mr. MEDVEDEV, But it’s one thing to say it’s different to carry out, but there are still difficulties and some other things, As long as the raw material component and other industries in the pen reign, Zvezdochka was unable to modernize the nuclear submarines there are many factors and bankruptcy of suppliers and much more plus to this discrepancy in product prices, transport tariffs have not been canceled or lowered, and the main problem in loans is everywhere they say, Well, by the way, Do not seem naive any new system has a very long history of creating developments and design ideas, All what comes out of the workshops now has legs from there whether we want it or not, after all, most recently the Defense Ministry cut many projects they say they are very expensive, I must thank God for stopping, I would like to see if this way of closing the projects was completed to the end what would you boast about, And you don’t pull the story well, even if you don’t pull it, then you don’t have to trump it with the fact that you don’t know. e than it seems worse
                  1. 11 black
                    11 black 17 July 2013 09: 11 New
                    -2
                    Quote: igor.borov775
                    And you don’t even know the story.

                    lay out a copy of certificates and diplomas to you - the 4-5 school, the polytechnic 5 - understand I do not brag, and do not claim to know everything - of course this is not so, there are people who are much smarter in this matter, but my knowledge of history is enough for the conclusions that I made
                    Quote: igor.borov775
                    Everything that comes out of the shops now has legs from there whether we want it or not,

                    Yes, I don’t deny, but you must admit that all the initial developments of the USSR had legs in tsarist Russia, since they were carried out in institutes created in tsarist Russia with the help of a scientific school inherited from tsarist Russia, and did this prevent the USSR from breaking ahead - TIME, it takes time .. .
                    1. 225chay
                      225chay 17 July 2013 09: 58 New
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                      Quote: 11 black
                      TIME, it takes time ...

                      During this time, tens of millions became extinct.
                      Want to replace migrants?
                2. kosmos44
                  kosmos44 17 July 2013 14: 55 New
                  +1
                  Quote: 11 black
                  do not teach me history - but the tyranny and senseless cruelty that was treated with peasant fists and believers - THIS IS A SHAME TO STALIN AND THE USSR FOR AGE !!!


                  It looks like you went through Solzhenitsyn’s story.
                3. kosmos44
                  kosmos44 17 July 2013 15: 44 New
                  +1
                  Quote: 11 black
                  you will not deny that the USSR at first used the legacy of tsarist Russia


                  The only thing that the USSR inherited from tsarist Russia was working hands.
                  The rest was destroyed, no worse than now. But the worst thing is that now there are no workers.
              2. Setrac
                Setrac 17 July 2013 03: 07 New
                +1
                Quote: nycsson
                Sorry for being blunt!

                Would you like directness? I have them!
                Quote: nycsson
                We have been waiting for more than 12 years!

                Actually, you said everything about yourself, you don’t have to wait, you have to work! What is your specialty? I hope some kind of electric-gas welder, for example, a tractor driver or a turner, is at worst?
                This question can be attributed to everyone who scolds the government, but what have you done to bring a brighter future? In which sector of the economy do you work and what goods or services do you produce?
            2. surveyor
              surveyor 17 July 2013 00: 30 New
              -1
              You are not an educated, illiterate, flawed little man of the Pepsi generation. Learn the story, your mother. Fortunately, many archives are now open.
            3. Cheloveck
              Cheloveck 17 July 2013 05: 37 New
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              Quote: 11 black
              And then you give me at least 3 an example of pride in the USSR for 20 years since its founding - that the Stalinist repressions, thousands of innocents in the camps, total poverty, hunger, persecution of peasants ...

              Ek has incurred you ....
              For 20 years (from 17 to 37) a powerful industry was created, just the one that allowed us to win the Patriotic War, excellent engineering and scientific personnel were trained, thanks to whom the Soviet Union manko later had an atomic bomb and went into space.
              Have you forgotten?
              1. 11 black
                11 black 17 July 2013 09: 26 New
                -1
                Quote: Cheloveck
                Over the 20 years (from 17 to 37) a powerful industry was created, just the one that allowed us to win the Patriotic War,

                I agree, but this does not cancel what I said above
                Quote: Cheloveck
                Stalinist repressions, thousands of innocents in the camps, general poverty, hunger, persecution of peasants.

                that's what price you had to pay for it - are you ready to pay the same price now for the sake of the same jerk ?, I don’t
                Quote: Cheloveck
                World War II, excellent engineering and scientific personnel were brought up, thanks to whom the USSR mannuously later had an atomic bomb and went into space.

                Engineering and scientific personnel were brought up earlier, about the construction of the atomic bomb
                information from our intelligence service was leaked by the defector, Fuchs Emil Julius seems to me that this is largely his merit for the short time for the development of the USSR atomic bomb (I do not deny the enormous contribution of our scientists, but without his help we would not have made it so quickly)

                Quote: Cheloveck
                and went into space.

                yeah - that's how the Queen pulled out of the camp so immediately and left laughing You just think about who they sent to the camps (no, the QUEEN is a genius of the Xnumx Century !!!!!) - how many more of the same scientists perished in the camps are not clear why, you don’t remember about this ...
                1. 225chay
                  225chay 17 July 2013 10: 02 New
                  0
                  Quote: 11 black
                  You just think about who sent to the camps

                  while such as Novovorskaya, Alekseevs, Chubaty
                  not send - the collapse will continue. Around the only agents and destroyers
                2. dustycat
                  dustycat 17 July 2013 20: 16 New
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                  Quote: 11 black

                  Quote: Cheloveck
                  Stalinist repressions, thousands of innocents in the camps, general poverty, hunger, persecution of peasants.

                  that's what price you had to pay for it - are you ready to pay the same price now for the sake of the same jerk ?, I don’t


                  Now do you know a different price for defeating corruption?
                  And this is the price of a jerk.
                  The capitalist mode of production will not yield more than 2% growth.
                  And you need 10%.
                  And there will be no other price.

                  Will your director entrust you with the fate of your career and will allow you to take full responsibility?
        5. nycsson
          nycsson 16 July 2013 22: 37 New
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          Quote: 11 black
          you are tired of whining with your USSR,

          I do not whine, but say the facts.
          Quote: 11 black
          I fundamentally disagree - PAK FA, for example, was already created in Russia, With 400 it was created in Russia

          They were allowed into the series? Keep silent about PAK FA. What the hell did you have to give it to India for?
          Quote: 11 black
          everyone can whine, but to create a new, even more powerful state in the place of the old one ...

          I repeat. I do not whine, but say the facts. Everyone must do their job. And at the top should pursue appropriate policies in various sectors of the economy.
          Quote: 11 black
          and stop whining already - KNOW WEAKNESS !!!

          Only the idiots say that everything is good when everything is bad!
          1. 11 black
            11 black 16 July 2013 23: 53 New
            +2
            Quote: nycsson
            I fundamentally disagree - PAK FA, for example, was already created in Russia, With 400 it was created in Russia

            They were allowed into the series? Keep silent about PAK FA. What the hell did you have to give it to India for?

            FGFA was given to India - it is an EXPORT version of PAK FA, and there is nothing wrong with it - even the USA with their defense budget made their F35 in cooperation with other countries
            Quote: nycsson
            everyone can whine, but to create a new, even more powerful state in the place of the old one ...

            I repeat. I do not whine, but say the facts. Everyone must do their job. And at the top should pursue appropriate policies in various sectors of the economy.

            Data? What kind? here they will develop our PAK YES, put them in a series of pack fa - the benefit is not to wait long, then your comment about the impossibility of Russia to create modern technology will be relevant laughing
            Quote: nycsson
            and stop whining already - KNOW WEAKNESS !!!

            Only the idiots say that everything is good when everything is bad!

            ATTENTIVELY - I said that there is every chance that everything will be fine, but I didn’t say that everything is good, there are problems, I don’t deny it, but when there were none ... and only cowards and alarmists say that everything is lost, when there is every chance to return everything and increase!

            PS I'm waiting for the cons
            1. papik09
              papik09 17 July 2013 03: 29 New
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              But the minuses and do not wait hi , because you are right.
              1. dustycat
                dustycat 17 July 2013 20: 18 New
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                Not therefore.
                Just uninteresting.
        6. vlrosch
          vlrosch 16 July 2013 23: 16 New
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          Poor bargainer! Over the past 20 years, you have learned only to sell to each other the air that your hosts from the West give you in a random order. You are not capable of anything more, what a pity that you were taught not by teachers, but by lessons.
        7. valokordin
          valokordin 17 July 2013 02: 59 New
          +4
          Quote: 11 black

          I fundamentally disagree - PAK FA, for example, was already created in Russia, the C 400 was created in Russia, the unique air-to-air ks 172 rocket was practically created in Russia, you are tired of whining with your USSR, everyone can whine, but to create a new one in place of the old one, a stronger state ... there were failures in the USSR as well, there were just some, everything was kept secret and nobody told about failures, but there were huge successes, but there were no less huge failures,

          There have never been such failures as in the USSR over the past 20 years. There were failures when testing new technology, and now already tested serial samples are falling and exploding. No need to blame the USSR, where everyone was equal and had equal opportunities, and you and your PAK-FA. People were proud of plywood planes, and now Taburetkin? 80% of the tasks of the president are not fulfilled and no one is responsible for this. Under Stalin, this was not. Mess, theft and corruption, is the current bourgeois Russia. Congratulations Colonel.
          1. 225chay
            225chay 17 July 2013 09: 32 New
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            and he probably didn’t even serve in the army
        8. Nagaibak
          Nagaibak 17 July 2013 07: 03 New
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          11 black "I fundamentally disagree - PAK FA, for example, was already created in Russia, C 400 was created in Russia, the unique air-to-air xc 172 rocket was practically created in Russia, you are tired of whining with your USSR."
          None of the above has been created in the current "new" Russia. It’s good to carry the blizzard. These are all the achievements of those still Soviet times. And here is an example from another sphere.
          You can not whine, looking at the development of the epidemic of swine plague in the black earth, but rejoice and puff out your cheeks like you. Cause? The collapse of the country's veterinary service. Previously, it was a single system. Now collapsed. The epidemic is raging. Cattle are slaughtered. In the USSR, African plague was dealt with in six months. And now? And so do not throw it. With regard to the USSR, you ... activists have been raping the infrastructure of a bygone country for 20 years without creating anything. And still trying to kick her all the time. Hehe ... at least create something ... like that.
          1. 11 black
            11 black 17 July 2013 14: 47 New
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            I have lost interest in this conversation - what is the use of trying to prove something to those who
            Quote: Nagaibak
            None of the above has been created in the current "new" Russia

            you and after 30 years you will yell-that all that is hurt the USSR ...
            1. Nagaibak
              Nagaibak 17 July 2013 17: 49 New
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              11 black "you and after 30 years will yell-that all that is hurt the USSR ..."
              That you WILL. And we will !!! If you are New Russians and will not do anything further !!! Can you go back to the machine? Take care of business? And then you have plans, plans ... Hehe ...
              But seriously, do not spit in the USSR. You have not achieved anything yet and you have done nothing to spit on the achievements of the Great Power of the USSR !!!
              Ah, I forgot you still have reforms ...
              1. Health care.
              2. Education.
              3. Ministry of Internal Affairs
              4. Min Defense.
              5. Academy of Sciences.
              6. Pension reform.
              All for man. All for the good of man.
              Are your reforms so successful? Do you feel it? Or do you feel? Hehe ... At least one of them was successful?
              And the people cease to yell, they gradually take to the streets, under various slogans, but there is one. Novokhopersk and Pugachev only confirm this.
              1. 11 black
                11 black 17 July 2013 20: 16 New
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                Quote: Nagaibak
                You have not achieved anything yet and you have done nothing to spit on the achievements of the Great Power of the USSR !!!

                Well, firstly, I did not spit on the achievements of the USSR, I really respect all of his achievements and I am proud of them
                secondly, if you want, I’m very sorry about the collapse of the Union, do you think I'm glad that it all happened and that now Russia can’t get off its knees in any way? ... no, this is very bad, and I would not hesitate to choose to keep the union, but what happened happened, and I’ll repeat not only Gorbachev and Co.’s fault, but all the people of the USSR who allowed it, I’ll repeat there were times when they followed the EBN (it’s disgusting to write), but it’s not as bad as some say - scientific USSR school continues in Russia, to bring to mind the development of the USSR, too, a lot of effort is needed !!! Pak fa took off, Boreas and Yaseni began to build in series, launched with 400, new Voronezh and Container radars were built, new tanks on the way - this is certainly the merit of the USSR scientific school, but the modern scientific school Russia worked on this, and its merit is no less !!!

                Quote: Nagaibak
                Ah, I forgot you still have reforms ...
                1. Health care.
                2. Education.
                3. Ministry of Internal Affairs
                4. Min Defense.
                5. Academy of Sciences.
                6. Pension reform.

                ahahahah laughing Yes, whoever you have, you took me for whom, I think I approve the reform of F.U.r..s.s.ko., I recently handed over the so-called GIA (Ege for graduation), I cursed this reformer as much as I could !!! You didn’t take me for that, I’m not an ardent supporter of GDP, although I respect him as a politician, and even more so I’m not a supporter of the above “reforms”, I’m just a realist, and here, on this site, some say that everything is lost crying - others scream URA for every little thing good but I’m just a realist as much as possible, and I don’t deny the failures of the government, but everything is far from being as bad as a certain “Nixon” says, and the USSR should not be put into an ideal - there were mistakes too (which I wrote above) and if you try the state "Russia" certainly has a future, so ... hi
        9. 225chay
          225chay 17 July 2013 09: 13 New
          +1
          Quote: 11 black
          I fundamentally disagree - PAK FA, for example, was already created in Russia, the C 400 was created in Russia, the unique air-to-air ks 172 rocket was practically created in Russia, you are tired of whining with your USSR, everyone can whine, but to create a new one in place of the old one, a stronger state ... there were also failures in the USSR, some more, it was just that everything was kept secret and nobody told about the failures,

          All that is being created now is the backlog of specialists from the USSR.
          It’s a pity the Great country, and the shame on the rebuilding dermocratizers. So that dozens of generations spit on them. The softest thing you can say.
          And the slime dishes will certainly be against and start screaming.
          1. 225chay
            225chay 17 July 2013 10: 06 New
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            I repeat, lizoblyudy of course will be against and begin to scream. [/ Quote]

            ha, here is the first and noted
        10. dustycat
          dustycat 17 July 2013 19: 10 New
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          Uh-huh.
          Beautifully written. Urpatriotic.
          But only in the last spacing, the next term “I will show you again” is postponed. In the fall.
          That's just not said what. Early, golden, late, next.
          Unfortunately, in order for Russia to become a little better, nowhere should become worse.
    2. ATATA
      ATATA 16 July 2013 14: 57 New
      +1
      Quote: seasoned
      Which country is prosra ... and

      Experienced, how old are you?
      1. experienced
        experienced 16 July 2013 15: 44 New
        +1
        Quote: ATATA
        Experienced, how old are you?

        46 hi
        1. little man
          little man 16 July 2013 15: 48 New
          0
          As in a bearded joke - "..so young and already a sergeant!" smile
        2. ATATA
          ATATA 16 July 2013 16: 04 New
          +1
          Quote: seasoned
          46

          And you don’t think that people of our age are directly or indirectly involved in millet .. such a country?
          1. seller trucks
            seller trucks 16 July 2013 16: 21 New
            0
            Quote: ATATA
            Do you think that people of our age are directly or indirectly involved in millet ... in such a country?


            I’m embarrassed to ask what?
            1. ATATA
              ATATA 16 July 2013 19: 04 New
              +1
              Quote: seller trucks
              I’m embarrassed to ask what?

              In what is allowed, this will happen.
              1. Ataman
                Ataman 16 July 2013 20: 52 New
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                1989, January - the beginning of the economic crisis in the USSR.
                1990, February - the abolition of the 6th article of the Constitution of the USSR “on the leading role of the Communist Party”, the end of the CPSU monopoly.
                1990, March - election of M. S. Gorbachev as President of the USSR at the III Congress of People's Deputies of the USSR.
                1991, December 8 - the signing of B. N. Yeltsin (RSFSR), L. M. Kravchuk (Ukraine), S. S. Shushkevich (Belarus) of the Bialowieza Agreement on the Dissolution of the USSR.

                Those. erupted before 1989. The experienced then was 22 years old. It is unlikely that by such years he could have achieved something other than a scholarship.

                I remember 1991. Although I was a little younger at the time, the dissolution of the USSR was a shock to me as well. If the people were asked, then there would be no dissolution. Nobody needed chaos, except for the gang mentioned above ... a group of politicians who were eager for power.
                1. ATATA
                  ATATA 16 July 2013 21: 19 New
                  +1
                  Ataman, but if you think that then nothing depended on us, then why can't you calm down now?
                  This is not a reproach. I just want to understand.
                  Why are we so 3,14zdaty went, like sheep for slaughter?
                2. experienced
                  experienced 16 July 2013 21: 21 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Ataman
                  The experienced then was 22 years old. It is unlikely that by such years he could have achieved something other than a scholarship.

                  Already a year as an officer. He was the secretary of the party organization, the party card is still in the safe hi
                3. dustycat
                  dustycat 17 July 2013 20: 26 New
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                  Quote: Ataman
                  1989, January -

                  Actually
                  1953 - Khrushchev seized power. The purge of the elite from corruption has ceased.
              2. dustycat
                dustycat 17 July 2013 20: 23 New
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                ATATA In what was allowed, this to happen.

                In 1953 he was not born.
                How could prevent Khrushchev-I can’t imagine.
          2. Manager
            Manager 16 July 2013 16: 35 New
            -1
            Quote: ATATA
            Do you think that people of our age are directly or indirectly involved in millet ... in such a country?


            Was Gorbachev forced? Or was there an opportunity to prevent him from doing what was done? Do not talk nonsense.
          3. experienced
            experienced 16 July 2013 16: 36 New
            +3
            Quote: ATATA
            Do you think that people of our age are directly or indirectly involved in millet ... in such a country?

            I believe that they are involved and this prosra ... and not in reproach to someone, but as a statement of fact led. It just really was a powerful country with tremendous intellectual potential and a strong manufacturing base.
            1. seller trucks
              seller trucks 16 July 2013 17: 18 New
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              no comment
            2. seller trucks
              seller trucks 16 July 2013 17: 29 New
              +6


              Quote: seller trucks
              I believe that they are involved and this prosra ... and not in reproach to anyone, but as a statement of fact led.


              everyone did what they thought was right
              1. lelikas
                lelikas 16 July 2013 17: 33 New
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                Quote: seller trucks
                there is always a choice and do not sprinkle ash on your head, everyone did what he thought was right

                Yes, but just then we all went to vote for EBN, nobody asked us much, they gave us a command and forward to the democratic elections.
              2. serezhasoldatow
                serezhasoldatow 16 July 2013 23: 34 New
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                Painfully native marinas of Sevastopol
              3. ups
                ups 17 July 2013 09: 34 New
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                Forgive me guys, Ukrainians, served in the same company, in the same battalion. They took the oath and were ready to lay down their lives for their homeland. I did not see this film, but it struck me a little)
            3. ATATA
              ATATA 16 July 2013 19: 00 New
              +1
              Thank you for the honest answer. hi
              I agree with you.
          4. lelikas
            lelikas 16 July 2013 17: 49 New
            +6
            Quote: ATATA
            Do you think that people of our age are directly or indirectly involved in millet ... in such a country?
            -People were disciplined - they believed the party and the government - but those-they already led everyone in the ass,
            The end of the country began when the last real communists left the government, and with the change they were specifically mistaken.
      2. ups
        ups 17 July 2013 09: 21 New
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        but it seems to me that he is 16 years old and nothing in this life, if he thinks he didn’t.
    3. Army1
      Army1 16 July 2013 17: 46 New
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      I am very interested if anyone can provide naval combat personnel of the US Navy at the end of the 80s, and the USSR. At least our fleet was not inferior, superior to the American in anti-ship capabilities. And in the article at the very beginning they speak of absolute superiority.
      1. Starina_hank
        Starina_hank 16 July 2013 19: 19 New
        -3
        Then in the 80s, an airplane from an aircraft carrier flew 1200km, and Granite flies 500. And where is our anti-ship superiority?
    4. ups
      ups 17 July 2013 08: 37 New
      -1
      Which country is prosra ... and
      I’m not prosra of my country .. I’m proud of my country and proud of its people, and I pissed everything .... let them go west or east.
      1. ups
        ups 17 July 2013 09: 19 New
        0
        It’s fun here, the prosral ... I’ve got shchikov, minus) I say again, I’m proud of Russia, I’m 47, I’m a leading engineer, I have a higher world degree. ))))
  2. Starover_Z
    Starover_Z 16 July 2013 12: 10 New
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    As I understand it, at the time of its creation it was a very formidable weapon,
    and if we improve the principle of their action and modernize the rocket itself, it will remain so for a long time.
    Happy Birthday, "GRANITE" !!!
    1. nycsson
      nycsson 16 July 2013 13: 17 New
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      Quote: Starover_Z
      and if we improve the principle of their action and modernize the rocket itself

      Interestingly, have it been modernized many times over 30 years?
      1. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 16 July 2013 16: 23 New
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        To upgrade, it would be necessary to apply in a specific battle, to know specifically what needs to be changed. Fortunately for us, this combat use has never happened!
    2. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 16 July 2013 16: 21 New
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      Adoption took place in March 1983, and this design was born in general it is not known when. laughing soldier
      1. S-200
        S-200 16 July 2013 18: 58 New
        +1
        Thus, in accordance with the Decree of the Central Committee of the CPSU and USSR Council No. 539-186 of 10.07.1969, the development of a long-range Granit anti-ship missile system for arming new nuclear submarines and missile cruisers began.
        Quote: Hedgehog
        Adoption took place in March 1983, and this design was born in general it is not known when.

        the beginning of development can be considered 1969.
        1. Ezhaak
          Ezhaak 16 July 2013 19: 21 New
          +2
          Quote: S-200
          the beginning of development can be considered 1969.

          Actually, the first successful start, probably.
          After all, the day of our conception, is not considered a birthday. I think so! laughing
  3. ale-x
    ale-x 16 July 2013 12: 12 New
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    Great is the power of intelligence of Soviet engineers. Glorified the USSR for many years. Honor and praise be to them.
    1. nycsson
      nycsson 16 July 2013 15: 28 New
      +3
      Quote: ale-x
      Great is the power of intelligence of Soviet engineers. Glorified the USSR for many years. Honor and praise be to them.

      I subscribe to every word. Previously, there was no talk of any joint production. And now T-50 and Bramos with India are doing submarines for third countries with Italy. Ships from France, and we buy army jeeps from Italy. I almost forgot about sniper rifles for reconnaissance. We are talking about the purchase of drones. This is so offhand, and if you dig around .......
  4. fzr1000
    fzr1000 16 July 2013 12: 13 New
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    Heirs. Unearthly beauty.





    1. Apollo
      Apollo 16 July 2013 12: 22 New
      +5
      quote-From the day the Granit anti-ship missile system was adopted by the development of OAO NPK NPO Mashinostroyeniya on 19, July marks 30 years.
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  6. sergey158-29
    sergey158-29 16 July 2013 12: 19 New
    +1
    QUOTE: “Today, at NPK VPO Mashinostroyeniya OJSC, a program is being implemented to support the high efficiency of the Granit rocket throughout its entire life ...”

    A unique complex of its time, I hope the potential for modernization is not yet exhausted!
    1. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 16 July 2013 16: 29 New
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      Quote: sergey158-29
      I hope the potential for modernization has not yet been exhausted!

      If everything is so successful, then do not upgrade, but create new, more long-range systems using the same solutions, but maybe on a new hardware base, with new technologies. The limit of 625 km is not so great. Amer retreat and from beyond their reach can shell our ships. Most likely.
  7. Alexanderlaskov
    Alexanderlaskov 16 July 2013 12: 28 New
    +4
    Russia keeps on such achievements of the past. How much is enough?
  8. Duelist
    Duelist 16 July 2013 12: 57 New
    +3
    Well done! And in the 80s they said that the USSR was forever behind the Japs in electronics! But even today, our missile systems are the best. We need such missiles!
    1. Starina_hank
      Starina_hank 16 July 2013 19: 23 New
      +1
      In the 80s we were 40 years behind, and now forever recourse
  9. Master Taiga
    Master Taiga 16 July 2013 12: 58 New
    0
    That's just "Granites" have not been released for 20 years. Instead, they suggest "Onyx"
    1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
      GELEZNII_KAPUT 16 July 2013 13: 21 New
      +4
      I think they are not equal to each other hi
    2. orff
      orff 16 July 2013 16: 49 New
      -1
      very release. now it’s the brahmos
      1. orff
        orff 17 July 2013 00: 37 New
        0
        I repent! beguiled! "Bramos" is based on the P-800 Onyx (more precisely, on its export version - Yakhont) and the development of the "NPO Engineering".
  10. engineer74
    engineer74 16 July 2013 14: 05 New
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    Russia's backlog in "unmanned" technologies ??? belay
    AUG to sink - this is not a Hellfire shed to smash (with manual guidance)!
    PS In the 70s, to take up the creation of an unmanned robotic squadron of attack aircraft (disposable) and successfully solve such a problem - what kind of flight of thought is needed? I have no words!
    Authors honor and respect! hi
  11. Black Colonel
    Black Colonel 16 July 2013 14: 41 New
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    What is also interesting: One of the salvo missiles flies higher than others, flying at extremely low altitude (leads a flock), if necessary, scans the terrain and distributes targets as the order is important. In the event of its loss (air defense defeat), another missile rises in place of the "leader". What is not an intellectual weapon? !! One can only admire such ideas and their implementation! And the modernization of this complex is an unplowed field.
    1. nycsson
      nycsson 16 July 2013 15: 23 New
      +4
      Quote: Black Colonel
      And the modernization of this complex is an unplowed field.

      I agree! But who needs to plow this field? That is the question!
    2. the polar
      the polar 16 July 2013 21: 33 New
      +3
      Quote: Black Colonel
      What is also interesting: One of the salvo missiles flies higher than others, flying at extremely low altitude (leads a flock), if necessary, scans the terrain and distributes targets as the order is important. In the event of its loss (air defense defeat), another missile rises in place of the "leader". What is not an intellectual weapon? !! One can only admire such ideas and their implementation! And the modernization of this complex is an unplowed field.

      ------------------------------
      The volley attack complex "Granite" in NATO called the "wolf pack." When a head rocket is hit, control of the "flock" automatically passes to the closest of the "flock."
      "Granite" and today, with a volley attack is able to overcome the latest American naval missile defense "Aegis", and 100% destroy the leader in the warrant. Work on the "artificial intelligence" of Granite was carried out by the institutes of the USSR Academy of Sciences.
      1. 225chay
        225chay 17 July 2013 09: 47 New
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        Quote: Polar
        Work on the "artificial intelligence" of Granite was carried out by the institutes of the Academy of Sciences

        USSR Academy of Sciences is not RAS unfortunately
      2. alex86
        alex86 17 July 2013 20: 39 New
        -1
        Only, judging by early reviews, the volley was carried out once with an unclear result.
        If anyone knows, maybe he will?
  12. Smersh
    Smersh 16 July 2013 14: 50 New
    +4
    Not a rocket, but a masterpiece
  13. 77bor1973
    77bor1973 16 July 2013 15: 42 New
    +3
    Granite has one nuance - because missile for nuclear submarines, then on surface ships, the launch is made in the same way i.e. with flooding of the rocket mine before launch. On "Onyxes" start occurs without flooding the mine.
    1. ssergey
      ssergey 16 July 2013 16: 23 New
      -1
      Granite can even be launched from a sand-carrying barge. Only you need to install correctly. The West is now laughing at our fleet, but is no longer laughing because even old ships carry Granites.
      1. 77bor1973
        77bor1973 16 July 2013 16: 50 New
        +4
        The fact of the matter is that you can’t launch a barge.
  14. voliador
    voliador 16 July 2013 15: 44 New
    +1
    Yes, they did things before!
  15. ssergey
    ssergey 16 July 2013 16: 21 New
    +3
    This is the only one in the world of an appreciated military robot. And no one is able to create the same weapon or able to withstand it. Russia is not capable now either. So even if they did not miss the old ...
  16. Mareman Vasilich
    Mareman Vasilich 16 July 2013 16: 48 New
    +7
    The author is crafty.
    It is in the salvo that all unsurpassed tactical capabilities are revealed Russian weapons.

    The rocket was Soviet, Russian, the current education has nothing to do with it. Zadolbali these walkers to someone else's glory. She didn’t do anything of her own, she’s only gouging, but she’s grabbing someone’s glory from an expert.
    And the missile is truly strong, like the Mosquito, the problem is one of the first for the enemy. And indeed, our missile designers deserve gold monuments at all times.
  17. bulvas
    bulvas 16 July 2013 17: 41 New
    0
    maybe not quite in the topic (didn’t read the discussion), here’s the link:
    http://hitech.newsru.com/article/16jul2013/miller

    in short - they order Miller a tablet for 120 million rubles


    believed that Gazprom is a state company, how is this possible?

    there are special tablets, protected, powerful, the price is up to $ 5
    plus software, plus special order, let $ 100
    but $ 4?
    How interesting is a "nuclear case"? (as a product)
  18. Siberian
    Siberian 16 July 2013 19: 57 New
    0
    hi
    Quote: Duelist
    Well done! And in the 80s they said that the USSR was forever behind the Japs in electronics! But even today, our missile systems are the best. We need such missiles!

    hi You speak correctly! hi And then and today the missiles were VO And the means of communication, electronics are also VO.
  19. Onil
    Onil 16 July 2013 20: 51 New
    +1
    Bastards, have lost the secrets of the production of "Granite" .... And now they are bringing in all sorts of "Onyx", "Caliber" with a range of two times less than the "Granite". And after that they still talk about some achievements of the Russian Federation in the production of weapons and equipment ... Shame and shame !!!!! Complete degradation!
    1. 225chay
      225chay 17 July 2013 09: 50 New
      0
      Quote: Onil
      Bastards, have lost the secrets of the production of "Granite" ....

      Perhaps they sold it, just like their homeland ...
  20. Ruslan Bear
    Ruslan Bear 16 July 2013 23: 24 New
    0
    Quote: Black Colonel
    What is also interesting: One of the salvo missiles flies higher than others, flying at extremely low altitude (leads a flock), if necessary, scans the terrain and distributes targets as the order is important. In the event of its loss (air defense defeat), another missile rises in place of the "leader". What is not an intellectual weapon? !! One can only admire such ideas and their implementation! And the modernization of this complex is an unplowed field.

    this is of course very interesting, but the wolf attack of granites has not been proved because there were no training launches of the wolf pack, I think this is all the speculation of developers and designers
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  22. okroshka79
    okroshka79 17 July 2013 00: 35 New
    0
    No doubt, Granit anti-ship missiles are a formidable weapon against enemy ship groupings. But the missiles themselves still do not solve everything and find their application at the final stage of naval combat - with a direct strike. There is a very serious problem - the detection of enemy ships in the oceans, their classification, the development of elements of movement to take a volley position. No matter how beautiful RCCs are, without obtaining a reliable control center and the corresponding time for data obsolescence, their use against the enemy makes no sense. Unfortunately, the author of the article did not write a single line about the combat use of these missiles.
  23. Starover_Z
    Starover_Z 17 July 2013 01: 04 New
    0
    Quote: okroshka79
    ... Unfortunately, the author of the article did not write a single line about the combat use of these missiles.

    But the military use of "Granite" in my opinion just did not happen!
    Here it seems an option, as with nuclear weapons - it is and this is enough!
    Looks no one dared to test the ability of the "wolf pack" of Granites!
  24. papik09
    papik09 17 July 2013 03: 18 New
    0
    Quote: Alekseev
    Quote: 11 black
    and there will be more discoveries in Russia, and the Army will

    I want it myself, yes! smile
    But you look around again - the “brothel squatting” and doubts prevail, faith weakens, however ...
    And something, undoubtedly, is being done, but "not being awakened enough", however, there is no system.

    A brothel ... Before the revolution, my great-grandmother had a brothel, so there was order, and here - BADAK.