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Tests of anti-tank missile complex "Chrysanthemum-S"

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Tests of anti-tank missile complex "Chrysanthemum-S"

At the testing ground near Moscow in Kolomna, the anti-tank missile complex "Chrysanthemum-S" was tested.


Chrysanthemum-S is the most modern Russian anti-tank missile system and the most powerful of all existing in the world. The complex was developed by Kolomenskoye Mechanical Engineering Design Bureau, which is part of the Rostec holding “High-precision Complexes”.

Built on the chassis of the new Russian infantry fighting vehicle BMP-3, the mobile Chrysanthemum launcher can move off-road with equal ease at a speed of 70 km / h, as well as speed up rivers and other water obstacles.
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  1. Smersh
    Smersh 15 July 2013 12: 57 New
    14
    Chrysanthemum-S is the most advanced Russian anti-tank missile system and the most powerful of all existing in the world


    it is very pleasing
    1. Hammer
      Hammer 15 July 2013 13: 20 New
      +8
      there was a TV report about it ...
      As Comrade Prokapenko with Ren-TV says, “It remains only to add ...” there would be more such complexes in the troops. fellow
      1. PLO
        PLO 15 July 2013 13: 25 New
        29
        Comrade Prokapenko a rare crank in the letter M
        don't watch military secrets, the most incompetent program of all
      2. Agent.
        Agent. 15 July 2013 13: 37 New
        13
        Yes, FIG knows how effective it will be in battle ... In fact, it does the work of an RPG, but unlike it, it’s an excellent goal + lacks many of its advantages (stealth, surprise attacks, the use of surrender as shelters, etc. everything is clear) but more powerful. Recharged for a long time ... in a battle for her, a car with soldiers pulling rockets will ride? It was possible to cram a bunch of rockets into this platform + some kind of automatic loader. Well, if this complex on the BMP, in addition to the cannon-cannon armament were delivered, the 4 rackets would be used to do the same. I don’t know the current. I hope the sniper rifle on the same platform will not appear soon lol
        1. Agent.
          Agent. 15 July 2013 13: 59 New
          +7
          But not)) read about it in other places) the cool machine turns out to be) and with loading everything is okay
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 15 July 2013 20: 31 New
            +7
            Compared to Sturm-S, which we now have behind the main anti-tank divisions in ATGM batteries, it’s just a giant step forward. Honestly, the first time I found out about Chrysanthemum, I was even surprised.

            The most important thing is intelligence and control. “Sturm” has inferior only daytime optics, “Chrysanthemum” is weatherproof, round-the-clock, protected from almost any possible interference.
            Further, on the “Assaults” missiles in one drum are removed in order. That is, there is no way to choose. That in the presence of cumulative, explosive and volume is not good. Chrysanthemum has no such problem.
            Replenishment of BC is easier. On the “Sturm” - much longer, manually and by dancing with tambourines (First, several TPKs are placed on the “horns” in the stern of the car, then they climb on top and begin to put on the drum, get off, put on the horns, climb ... The crew is only two person). On the "Chrysanthemum-manipulator.
            Protection is clearly better.
            Originally, KSM appeared. The Sturm did not have them. Or BRDM-2 as a commander by inheritance, or conventional MT-LB-no means of reconnaissance and surveillance.
            Normal simulator, plus it is possible to use the machines themselves for training "launches". The "Sturm" is not like that.

            In short, almost the same pluses. We need them in the troops, until some gifted shoved "Octopus" or cars based on the "Tigers" instead
            1. cdrt
              cdrt 15 July 2013 21: 30 New
              0
              Reasonable installation mechanization is certainly good. Only ... This is the Storm brought to mind by others. She would be a super year like that in 1993, when it looks like it was supposed to be created. And now ... a lot of water has flowed, and shot, forgot to mass release and KEM and SKEM successfully shot, and there is Cornet-D. The Kornet-D has a rocket with a class like lower, and flies further, noise immunity may be higher, armor penetration seems to be no lower ...
              The only thing is that if you can install modular on the BMP-2 chassis (of which there is no measure and it’s free), still most of the motorized infantry will ride on the BMP-15 for another 2 years, although there will be unification on the chassis. Well, if it costs less than the BMP-3 module, then at least a replacement for the Sturmu-S.
              In general - and a good complex, and a lot of questions.
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 15 July 2013 22: 08 New
                +3
                Quote: cdrt
                And now ... a lot of water has flowed, and shot, forgot to mass release

                With a single GOS-infrared. With all the ensuing problems: short range, low speed.

                Quote: cdrt
                At Kornet-D, the rocket has a lower class, but flies further, the noise immunity may be higher, the armor penetration seems to be not lower ...

                "Cornet" subsonic with less armor penetration. Only range. But I can’t imagine where we are at 8 km. you can shoot. In the steppe?

                Chrysanthemum has enormous potential for modernization. Her "analogues" do not.
                1. 101
                  101 15 July 2013 22: 51 New
                  0
                  Quote: Spade
                  where we are at 8 km. you can shoot.

                  Something everyone is fixated on this. Well, why do we need to shoot near Nizhny Novgorod as if there were no other places in the world
        2. Grenader
          Grenader 15 July 2013 19: 59 New
          +4
          Quote: Agent.
          Yes, FIG knows how effective it will be in battle ...

          the complex on a caterpillar chassis has a significant advantage over wearable ones - there is no need to limit the weight of the rocket. In the future, you can install a more powerful b.ch. and increase fuel supply. As a result, increase range and penetration. Yes, and mobility is also a factor, you can quickly arrive at the right point.
          1. cdrt
            cdrt 15 July 2013 21: 33 New
            0
            Hmm ... and who is more mobile and long-range - is it a miracle or Cornet-D?
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 15 July 2013 22: 08 New
              +1
              This is a miracle. And an order of magnitude more mobile.
              1. PLO
                PLO 15 July 2013 22: 33 New
                0
                This is a miracle. And an order of magnitude more mobile.

                not quite
                9P162
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 15 July 2013 22: 48 New
                  0
                  This is not a Cornet-D One based on the Tiger. This is 9P162. By analogy, "Cornet-S"
                  1. PLO
                    PLO 15 July 2013 23: 09 New
                    0
                    This is not a Cornet-D One based on the Tiger. This is 9P162. By analogy, "Cornet-S"

                    I don’t quite understand you about the chassis or about the range

                    Kornet-S can use the new modernized ATGMs, if it was the chassis that was compared, then another thing
                    1. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 15 July 2013 23: 23 New
                      0
                      I compared everything. By all criteria, "Chrysanthemum" is better. Range is not particularly important.
        3. serezhasoldatow
          serezhasoldatow 15 July 2013 23: 00 New
          0
          Do you know the product "Berezhok"?
    2. Rustam
      Rustam 15 July 2013 13: 36 New
      +8
      In place of designers, I would already begin to develop a new or updated model.

      Why? Yes, because 3 chrysanthemums definitely got to the USA through Libya

      photo application 9K123 "Chrysanthemum-S" in Libya. The contract for the supply of these complexes to Libya was signed by Rosoboronexport in 2009, however, before the civil war in Libya, only three 9P157-2 combat vehicles were delivered to this country on the BMP-3 chassis.
      The photographs captured on October 5, 2011 show the use of at least one 9P157-2 combat vehicle by the forces of the National Transitional Council of Libya during the siege of the city of Sirte held by Gaddafi supporters.



      but Putin’s dialogue at an exhibition in Tagil

      "... The prime minister stopped near another installation. Its developer reported that the Chrysanthemum-S was developed as an anti-tank complex. They also had an order for the Libyan army.
      - Put three pieces, - reported to the developer.
      - And where are they now? - quietly asked the prime minister.
      - Gone during the last fighting in Libya. Their fate is unknown, - admitted the developer.
      “Yes, the Libyan application ...” the prime minister repeated. “No more ...”
      1. neri73-r
        neri73-r 15 July 2013 13: 55 New
        +1
        Do not worry, an export version of Chrysanthemum-s was delivered there, everything is taken into account in case the system falls into the hands of sworn friends!
      2. evil hamster
        evil hamster 15 July 2013 14: 10 New
        +6
        I don’t care. it does not have something super innovative, all the principles have long been known. And the fact of the matter is that the “laser track”, the “radar track”, that you at least know everything about them, but you won’t be able to interfere.
      3. dustycat
        dustycat 15 July 2013 21: 35 New
        0
        According to other sources 4
    3. AVV
      AVV 15 July 2013 14: 30 New
      0
      Good thing! You need it in Syria! But, only, a conveyor is needed there, not from BMP-3, but from T-72, then the Syrian opposition will be pulled out of the dugouts !!! Oh, how could Assad use this technique now !! !
      1. experienced
        experienced 15 July 2013 14: 35 New
        +8
        Quote: AVV
        It is needed in Syria! But, only, the transporter is needed there, not from the BMP-3, but from the T-72, then the Syrian opposition will be pulled out of the dugouts !!!

        Or maybe it is better to complete the Russian parts first? In Chechnya and Dagestan, we also have enough militants blocked in fortified positions. Can we think about our soldiers, and only then, according to the residual principle of allies?
        1. master_rem
          master_rem 16 July 2013 09: 44 New
          0
          So there is BMPT!
          1. Rakti-kali
            Rakti-kali 16 July 2013 11: 52 New
            0
            Quote: master_rem
            So there is BMPT!

            In the form in which it is being promoted now, it would be better if it were not.
      2. Rakti-kali
        Rakti-kali 15 July 2013 14: 57 New
        +3
        Quote: AVV
        Good thing! You need it in Syria!

        belay To whom? Do terrorists have a lot of armored vehicles? Have the SAA tanks run out? Nah .. uh ... uh ... is this car there?
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 15 July 2013 19: 05 New
          +2
          They have high explosive warheads and volumes.
          1. Rakti-kali
            Rakti-kali 15 July 2013 20: 41 New
            +4
            Quote: Spade
            They have high explosive warheads and volumes.

            Tankers also have OFS, and tankers have two orders of magnitude more chances to survive in battle under urban conditions. But if you really want to use ODB very much, then an ATGM with a machine gun and 3 infantrymen will be much more effective than Chrysanthemums in the city. Better yet, one fighter with a Bumblebee.
            No need Chrysanthemums in Syria. Not at all needed. Generally.
            1. ale-x
              ale-x 15 July 2013 21: 02 New
              +2
              Yes RPO will be enough.
            2. Lopatov
              Lopatov 15 July 2013 22: 11 New
              +2
              And what is the chance to survive "in battle in the urban environment" at the S-300?
              What is the habit of a meat grinder trying to poke around in an ear and complain about something that is inconvenient?
              1. Rakti-kali
                Rakti-kali 16 July 2013 11: 55 New
                -1
                Why is Syria now ATGM on a tracked chassis? S-300 "fly swatter" for Israeli "hawks". What is Chrysanthemum for? Is Israel going to drive tank wedges from the Golan to La Mans ... uhhhh ... to the Mediterranean?
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 16 July 2013 13: 22 New
                  -1
                  You can very effectively cover the extension of armored vehicles to settlements.
                  1. Rakti-kali
                    Rakti-kali 16 July 2013 16: 21 New
                    -1
                    Quote: Spade
                    You can very effectively cover the extension of armored vehicles to settlements.

                    Cover from what? From enemy tanks? So practically that enemy has no tanks. From VET? So howitzers and mortars will be more effective. And for every oslo # bu with RPG shoot from anti-tank systems - inadmissible excesses and luxuries.
      3. ale-x
        ale-x 15 July 2013 21: 01 New
        0
        it will be too expensive. The T-72s do just fine with conventional HE shells. By the way, who knows whether shells are currently using OS shells in Syria?
      4. Massik
        Massik 15 July 2013 22: 10 New
        0
        the base from t 72 will not help much, you’ll substitute it under fire and you will cut off the launcher from a large-caliber or automatic cannon, that’s a shame laughing and you will know the sea
      5. Hammer
        Hammer 16 July 2013 02: 30 New
        +3
        Quote: AVV
        Good thing! You need it in Syria! But, only, a conveyor is needed there, not from BMP-3, but from T-72, then the Syrian opposition will be pulled out of the dugouts !!! Oh, how could Assad use this technique now !! !

        If you put a hand on your heart, then Assad "Chrysanthemum" well, unnecessarily. The Syrian army has no shortage of firepower. In the fight against irregular formations, the firepower of the Syrian army is even somewhat redundant. They have another problem (as in the rest of our army) - this is the means of reconnaissance and detection of the enemy in urban areas. And also, the lack of modern means of monitoring the battlefield at night and in conditions of limited visibility. If the enemy is discovered, then destroy it is not a special problem. But finding it in a timely manner (before coming into contact with it) is a problem.
        If we talk about enhancing the firepower of the Syrian army, then instead of “Chrysanthemums” I would put Assad complexes Kitalov-2M, Krasnopol-2M and Gran. As well as the installation of thermal imagers on armored vehicles. In addition to this, the Syrian army needs vital protection against anti-tank guided and non-guided missiles. This will really help ...
    4. Blackgrifon
      Blackgrifon 15 July 2013 22: 35 New
      0
      Quote: Smersh
      it is very pleasing


      BM is good and interesting, but I have a question - why is there no defensive weapons on it? At least 7,62 would be delivered. Or I'm wrong?
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 15 July 2013 22: 53 New
        +1
        What for? If an adversary unfolds from pre-battlefield into battle formations, much less infantry from BMP-BTR jumps out, then we can assume that they have already completed 90% of their work.
      2. Rakti-kali
        Rakti-kali 16 July 2013 11: 58 New
        0
        Quote: Blackgrifon
        BM is good and interesting, but I have a question - why is there no defensive weapons on it? At least 7,62 would be delivered. Or I'm wrong?

        The PKK and RPG were driven to Sturm-S. Isn’t it the same here?
  2. fzr1000
    fzr1000 15 July 2013 12: 58 New
    +1
    Why not install more launchers?
    1. Hammer
      Hammer 15 July 2013 13: 22 New
      12
      so he and so under the scolding of 15 ATGMs ... much more? And two ATGMs on the launcher, so by the fact that it’s two-channel, i.e. two targets simultaneously can fire. reloading is fully mechanized, a person only presses buttons, not getting out of the car. so everything is fine. wink
      Good car. smile
      1. fzr1000
        fzr1000 15 July 2013 14: 24 New
        +2
        Gut. Thanks for the answer.
  3. s1н7т
    s1н7т 15 July 2013 13: 00 New
    +1
    Which BC? What kind of rocket? And it seemed to me that the operator should keep the PM on target until it hits?
    1. Fregate
      Fregate 15 July 2013 13: 04 New
      +1
      Yes, I would like more information.
        1. Apollo
          Apollo 15 July 2013 13: 26 New
          +4
          Quote: fantast
          Chrysanthemum-C - anti-tank flower


          I would add the word golden

          anti-tank gold flower.

          I welcome you Andrew hi
      1. Russ69
        Russ69 15 July 2013 13: 32 New
        +7
        Quote: Fregate
        Yes, I would like more information.

        The main feature of this ATGM is the ability to hit enemy vehicles on the battlefield without the need for optical and thermal imaging. Chrysanthemum-S is equipped with its own radar station operating in the radio wave range - 100-150 GHz (2-3-mm waves). The radar provides detection and tracking of the target with simultaneous guidance of the missile during guidance. The process of maintenance and management is carried out automatically, without operator intervention. Thanks to the presence of an additional laser anti-tank guiding system, the operator can fire in one gulp at two different objects simultaneously, using different aiming channels.
        Range - 6 km.
        Rocket speed - 400 m / s
        The missile can be equipped with various types of warheads. The 9M123-2 missile is equipped with a powerful supercaliber tandem warhead with a diameter of 152 mm and penetrates armor 1.100-1.200 mm thick behind dynamic protection
  4. omsbon
    omsbon 15 July 2013 13: 02 New
    +2
    The Chrysanthemum-S anti-tank missile system was created to please us, to fear enemies!
    Good luck!
  5. Garysit
    Garysit 15 July 2013 13: 04 New
    12
    This is the most modern - development of the late 80s and early 90s and still everything is being tested, I wish patience and finally luck to designers and testers !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  6. Vlad_Mir
    Vlad_Mir 15 July 2013 13: 06 New
    +1
    It looks very impressive in appearance. Only it’s not entirely clear to me how to use this complex in real combat conditions.
  7. bamboo
    bamboo 15 July 2013 13: 07 New
    +2
    Such a cool thing, and from the water I really liked how it shoots))))
    1. ytqnhfk
      ytqnhfk 15 July 2013 19: 00 New
      0
      shot from the water in a bunker, or did I misunderstand? it’s not only a battle, but also a defeat of fortifications! quite interesting !!!
  8. Apollo
    Apollo 15 July 2013 13: 14 New
    11
    After meeting in battle with the Chrysanthemum missile system, the enemy’s armored vehicles will only remain that grow grass. Production base - to match the unique technology. The engineering design bureau is proud of the equipment that allows them to create the most modern weapons.

    The main advantages of Chrysanthemum are several types of guidance systems, in particular, optical, laser and radio channels. To direct missiles at a target through a radio channel, a mini-radar is installed in the machine, which operates in millimeter frequencies. Moreover, the "Chrysanthemum" at this moment is able to be in a shelter for five to six kilometers and every few seconds to make another launch, and in one gulp and immediately through two different guidance channels. Nothing like this now exists in the armies of other countries.

  9. older
    older 15 July 2013 13: 15 New
    +1
    News about anything, performance characteristics, shooting results? BMP3-new Russian car? Minus
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 15 July 2013 19: 07 New
      +1
      Quote: older
      shooting results?

      Stupid question. Defeat the target.
      1. dustycat
        dustycat 15 July 2013 22: 30 New
        0
        Quote: Spade
        Quote: older
        shooting results?

        Stupid question. Defeat the target.


        And if at least to cover an object "curtain"?
        Where does the thread go?
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 15 July 2013 22: 54 New
          0
          The same effect as a regular curtain, i.e. no.
  10. Manager
    Manager 15 July 2013 13: 20 New
    -1
    I did not see rocket launchers in the photo. Someone tell me how it should look like?
    1. ansons
      ansons 15 July 2013 13: 48 New
      0
      Watch the video shown there.
  11. Starover_Z
    Starover_Z 15 July 2013 13: 27 New
    +1
    There was an article about the project of a “missile” tank of the times of the USSR of a similar type, but then it was recognized it seems ineffective. There the corps was armored, here something similar to the BMP-BMD. It looks fine, but advertising slowly. How many missiles are in stock?
    And will the adversaries of the next salvos wait after the first defeat?
    Tell me, specialists.
    1. dustycat
      dustycat 15 July 2013 22: 55 New
      0
      Is it not fate to look at the wiki?
      After the first shot, the target is the number of times on the battlefield.
      The same cornets (Hezbola has it - everyone has it who can buy it).
      For all enemy reactive systems at range.
      And mortars from positions inaccessible to Chrysanthemum.
      Given the millimeter radar - is struck by a shrike from outside the range of the aircraft.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 15 July 2013 23: 07 New
        0
        Quote: dustycat
        For all enemy reactive systems at range.

        One installation?


        Quote: dustycat
        And mortars from positions inaccessible to Chrysanthemum.

        350 min per installation. This is a long time. And it’s dangerous: not only do they have artillery.
      2. Mairos
        Mairos 16 July 2013 10: 58 New
        0
        Well, you sweat the Air Force with the "Shrike" to keep hunting for anti-tank systems. Yes, and there is air defense ..
        Or do you think the Shrike is the panacea? Or are its carriers not killed? And then, you can not use the radio channel, or use it from different machines in turn - let the clever Shrike thinks where he should fly.
  12. seller trucks
    seller trucks 15 July 2013 13: 31 New
    +3
    Three combat vehicles "Chrysanthemum-S" are able to successfully repel an attack by a company of tanks in the amount of fourteen units. Several BMs can work on one or several closely spaced targets.

    The main feature of this ATGM is the ability to hit enemy vehicles on the battlefield without the need for optical and thermal imaging. Chrysanthemum-S is equipped with its own radar station operating in the radio wave range - 100-150 GHz (2-3-mm waves). The radar provides detection and tracking of the target with simultaneous guidance of the missile during guidance. The process of maintenance and management is carried out automatically, without operator intervention. Thanks to the presence of an additional laser anti-tank guiding system, the operator can fire in one gulp at two different objects simultaneously, using different aiming channels.

    http://rbase.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/khrizantema/khrizantema.shtml


    definitely not childish
  13. phantom359
    phantom359 15 July 2013 13: 32 New
    +3
    good car.
  14. Tartary
    Tartary 15 July 2013 13: 44 New
    +1
    Quote: older
    News about anything, performance characteristics, shooting results? BMP3-new Russian car? Minus

    Why are you such a specialist that you call frank joy for the industry of the Motherland worthless news ??
    Maybe you know the development of our specialists and cooler ?????????

    So share it with the Syrians ...
    1. S-200
      S-200 15 July 2013 14: 27 New
      +1
      Quote: Tartary
      Maybe you know the development of our specialists and cooler ?????????

      "Arrow-10M3" - as a model for "chrysanthemums"
      It seemed to me that the control algorithms for the PU guide drive were written krivoruko ... From that, the drive’s movement is slow with jerks, which, incidentally, was almost hidden in these videos. I can advise you to turn to Belarusian specialists on automatic control systems from VARB.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 15 July 2013 19: 09 New
        +2
        I apologize, but is it not on the drum how the guides move?
    2. dustycat
      dustycat 15 July 2013 22: 43 New
      0
      On a wiki, compare Cornet and Chrysanthemum.
      The advantage of Chrysanthemum is millimeter radar.
      But only.
      But there is also CornetT.
      And Chrysanthemum to Cornet T - not surpass.
      CornetD - 10km.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 15 July 2013 23: 03 New
        +1
        Supersonic speed for more detection-damage cycles.
        Great armor penetration
        High noise immunity
        Great mobility.

        Is it on the wiki? Who and what will "spit"?
  15. mamba
    mamba 15 July 2013 13: 52 New
    +4
    The Chrysanthemum-S complex (according to the western classification - AT-15 Springer) was developed in the 1990s. Designed to destroy modern and promising armored vehicles, including tanks equipped with dynamic protection, as well as engineering and fortifications, surface targets, low-speed air targets and manpower. Distinctive features of this ATGM are: absolute all-weather capability, an automatic combined radio-beam control system and semi-automatic along the laser beam, the possibility of simultaneous firing of two targets, and high rate of fire. Serial production of the complex 9K123 "Chrysanthemum-S" is carried out at the Federal State Unitary Enterprise "Saratov Aggregate Plant".
    The two-container launcher and guidance system are located on the 9P157-2 combat vehicle, based on the BMP-3 chassis. The crew of the car consists of two people - the driver-mechanic and the gunner-operator.
    The complex’s ammunition includes 15 anti-tank missiles of four modifications:
    - 9M123 - with a tandem-cumulative warhead, laser beam guidance;
    - 9M123-2 - with a tandem-cumulative warhead, guidance over the air;
    - 9M123F - with thermobaric warhead, laser beam guidance;
    - 9M123F-2 - with thermobaric warhead, radio-controlled guidance.
    The aerodynamic design of the rocket is “normal”. The rudders are placed perpendicular to the plane of the axes of the engine nozzles, and their drive is located in the rear. The wings are placed in front of the nozzle block. In the transport position, rectangular in plan and curved in an arc towards each other wings cover the rocket body and occupy the flight position under the action of the spring mechanism after exiting the container. The 9E118 Non-Contact Explosive Device includes a radio sensor and a laser sensor. It is intended for issuing a command in the control system for the rocket’s extension to the target, as well as for issuing a command to detonate warheads when they reach a height of (15 ÷ 21) m from the Earth’s surface.
    TTX: http://btvt.narod.ru/4/xrizantema.htm
  16. Login_Off
    Login_Off 15 July 2013 14: 31 New
    +1
    So the USSR was developing similar systems, but they were quickly abandoned. What will this Khrezantema do on the battlefield after spending the entire ammunition ??? In contrast to the "Terminator" which will be able to cover the infantry at least.
    1. d1m1drol
      d1m1drol 15 July 2013 14: 35 New
      +2
      let me think ... Probably it will go to replenish the bk .. as intended by the creator!
    2. Agent.
      Agent. 15 July 2013 15: 02 New
      +3
      can she shoot 6km from behind? Do you know how much it makes sense to shoot from a tank gun? we’ve finished a couple of kilometers. Although there would be no obstacles at 6 km ... a very long field is needed
      1. Login_Off
        Login_Off 15 July 2013 16: 22 New
        -1
        All equipment should be nearby on the battlefield, whether it be a tank or an anti-tank complex. This is the same as dropping a tank and 10 salvos and in the middle of the battle return it to replenish ammunition. The battle is fleeting, no one is leaving to replenish the stock.

        As for the shot from 6 km, so I'm sorry, but who will aim? Who is ahead? Like ... "I am a tank, there is a foreign tank 3 km from me, you are in the rear, you are 5 km away from it, shoot at it .." Guys, this is heresy. If for this there is a common information battlefield where everyone sees everything, but there is an ARTILLERY to suppress this tank!

        There is a normal machine, the Terminator, it already has not only an anti-tank complex, but also grenade launchers with a machine gun, which can withstand and have not one combat complex, but several. What for to make the half decision?
        1. evil hamster
          evil hamster 15 July 2013 17: 24 New
          +2
          Quote: Login_Off
          All equipment should be nearby on the battlefield, be it a tank or anti-tank complex

          Oga and self-propelled guns and air defense systems and a pontoon park all in one pile and forward hurray. It’s not funny for yourself?
          Quote: Login_Off
          As for the shot from 6 km, so I'm sorry, but who will aim?
          But religion itself does not allow him? if there is such a range on the battlefield?
          Quote: Login_Off
          Guys, this is heresy.
          Call the Inquisition will help.
          Quote: Login_Off
          but to suppress this tank there is an artillery!

          Are you dear in the know that getting into a separately moving tank is NOT a task of artillery? It’s not clear to shoot at accumulations of equipment or columns on a march with concentrated fire of a couple of divisions - this is understandable and logical and effective, but I'm sorry to catch individual tanks after their deployment ... for this they came up with anti-tank systems.
          Quote: Login_Off
          What for to make the half decision?
          ATGM - not a half solution - but a completely logical specialized anti-tank weapon.
          1. Login_Off
            Login_Off 16 July 2013 02: 32 New
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            Quote: evil hamster
            Oga and self-propelled guns and air defense systems and a pontoon park all in one pile and forward hurray. It’s not funny for yourself?

            No need to exaggerate to disgrace. The explanation below will be.
            Quote: evil hamster
            But religion itself does not allow him? if there is such a range on the battlefield?

            Well then imagine the battlefield. Tanks, cover helicopters, attack aircraft, the battlefield is not on the plain bare, but with small hills, and the Chrysanthemum is 6 km away. Moreover, her task:
            1. Do not be detected before the task, for which it must be as mobile as possible, as secretive as possible. Now do not forget, the enemy has cover helicopters.
            2. Which tank to choose for destruction? Tanks in front. How to act, to wet all the tanks in a row or to accept commands for destruction from front-line detachments (you won’t know this in advance, they can only pose a general task, for example, covering one object). Maybe she sees a lot, but they can’t destroy everyone in one gulp. Here everything is in a heap, who first saw, shot, knocked out - won.
            This machine is the last century, I do not see its application in its current form. It is much more promising to distribute anti-tank grenade launchers to infantry. And to cover the tanks use helicopters as well.
            Quote: evil hamster
            Are you dear in the know that getting into a separately moving tank is NOT a task of artillery? It’s not clear to shoot at accumulations of equipment or columns on a march with concentrated fire of a couple of divisions - this is understandable and logical and effective, but I'm sorry to catch individual tanks after their deployment ... for this they came up with anti-tank systems.

            Do not confuse combat in urban or mountainous terrain with outdoor combat conditions. The artillery can very well deliver a normal obstructive fire and stop the advance or even destroy a separate cluster or even a separate tank. All this from a distance of at least 20 km.
            Catching tanks is a difficult task in urban and mountainous conditions due to the inaccessibility of direct viewing, even at an average distance. But if you are thinking of using Chrysanthemum under these conditions stop (no need to refer that it can be put on top of the mountain and knock out tanks)
            Quote: evil hamster
            ATGM - not a half-hearted solution - but a completely logical specialized anti-tank weapon

            I meant the half-hearted decision in the general context. There is a "Terminator", there are helicopters "Mi" and "Ka" there is an infantry. Note that all these groups do not focus only on the destruction of tanks, but can still be used against the same infantry, helicopters, fortified enemy posts (the infantry also has not only ATGMs in service).

            Do you really think that the radar on Chrysanthemum is simply the height of perfection? On modern ATGMs, such a large pan is not necessary. The missile itself does not detect the target badly. And the unmasking radar on the battlefield is not so hot. Radar on air defense covers, among other things, a bunch of equipment.

            Okay, I won’t write anymore, I’ve already promised :)
            1. Mairos
              Mairos 16 July 2013 11: 06 New
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              She can hit on helicopters and tanks and any armor. However..
              You are wrong, in my opinion.
  17. SPBOBL
    SPBOBL 15 July 2013 14: 46 New
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    Amer’s tanks are wonderful targets for the “Chrysanthemum,” when they click with a bang ...
    1. experienced
      experienced 15 July 2013 14: 49 New
      +4
      Quote: SPBOBL
      Amer’s tanks are wonderful targets for the “Chrysanthemum,” when they click with a bang ...

      Minusanul for nonsense hi I’m not for the fact that Abrams are cool and not for the fact that the Chrysanthemum is bad - I am against cap-hatred request
    2. dustycat
      dustycat 15 July 2013 22: 25 New
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      Quote: SPBOBL
      Amer’s tanks are wonderful targets for the “Chrysanthemum,” when they click with a bang ...

      ... if KAZ overcomes.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 15 July 2013 22: 32 New
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        You can overcome only what is available. And the Abrams have no KAZ.
  18. Aleks tv
    Aleks tv 15 July 2013 15: 15 New
    +3
    Chrysanthemum is a wonderful complex.

    In addition to laser guidance, there is a radio channel, i.e. the opportunity to choose.
    Who in the smoke tried to make a range measurement or "conduct" the ammunition with a quantum beam, he will appreciate it.
    The radar in the ground forces is a new step.
    (Rumor had it that the T-95 had such a system)
    The presence in the ammunition, in addition to the cumulative and thermobaric warheads, expands the capabilities of the complex, they can be used as direct fire with the effectiveness of the same howitzer with RP.
    And the ability to "lead" two missiles at once increases its firepower and its own survival.
    This is a real help to the infantry both in large-scale hostilities and in the smoking of any husks.

    It is annoying that she is still not in the army, this is far from a new machine. Maybe there are units in the troops, correct, who knows, I will only be glad.

    This is she in Libya, damn it ...
    1. Russ69
      Russ69 15 July 2013 23: 45 New
      +1
      Quote: Aleks tv

      It is annoying that she is still not in the army, this is far from a new machine. Maybe there are units in the troops, correct, who knows, I will only be glad.

      Deliveries of "Chrysanthemum" began, only last year.
      The first more than 10 pieces received Southeast Military District in the fall. Recently there was an interview with the chief of staff of the missile forces, then, according to him, new deliveries are expected.
      How much is not known. If according to the report the tests took place near Moscow, then most likely this is a new party.
      1. Aleks tv
        Aleks tv 16 July 2013 00: 37 New
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        Quote: Russ69
        The first more 10 units were received by SEO in the fall.


        Clearly, at least something is already in the army right now.
        Thanks for the info.
        1. Russ69
          Russ69 16 July 2013 01: 05 New
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          Quote: Aleks tv
          Clearly, at least something is already in the army right now.
          Thanks for the info.


          If interested, then this year there should be an understaffing, if I am not mistaken this is in \ h in Magas.
          Serial production has already been deployed and modernization is underway to automate the distribution of targets and the issuance of target designations by the battery commander to combat vehicles, in order to reduce the time from the moment a target is detected to its destruction.
  19. sergey158-29
    sergey158-29 15 July 2013 15: 46 New
    +3
    The only thing I would suggest was the remote machine-gun point - for self-defense, I remember the Ferdinand, too, was planning to fight tanks at a distance, for which he paid off from the infantry ...
  20. Sleptsoff
    Sleptsoff 15 July 2013 16: 35 New
    -1
    If this complex on the tiger would not be bad, but on the caterpillar platform it would not be rational - a large silhouette plus a large cost.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 15 July 2013 19: 13 New
      +5
      Yeah. The "tiger" is right for anti-tank patency.
    2. Rakti-kali
      Rakti-kali 15 July 2013 20: 49 New
      +4
      Quote: Sleptsoff
      If this complex on the tiger would have been nice

      He will not fit into a tiger.
      Quote: Sleptsoff
      and on a tracked platform it’s not rational - a large silhouette plus a large cost.

      Tiger is not lower than Chrysanthemum. Yes, and cheaper does not mean better.
      1. dustycat
        dustycat 15 July 2013 22: 13 New
        -1
        T34 is cheaper than the Tiger and Panther.
        And which of these three is the “tank winner” ?!
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 15 July 2013 22: 33 New
          +1
          And the ZiS-5V car is even cheaper than German tanks. However, to call it a "winning tank" does not work.
    3. sedoj
      sedoj 15 July 2013 20: 55 New
      +2
      The Tiger has its own bells and whistle - Cornet-EM.
      1. dustycat
        dustycat 15 July 2013 22: 23 New
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        It turns out interesting ...
        The range of damage is about one.
        But one has a mass of 30 kg, and the other 50.
        Both that and that can be based on BMP-3.
        One purely PT, and the other more multi-purpose.
        What prevents other warheads from being screwed to the cornet?
        Well, what's the point in this flower?
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 15 July 2013 22: 35 New
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          The “Cornet” is subsonic, “Storm” and “Chrysanthemum” are supersonic. However, I’m not sure that you understand the difference.
  21. rassom
    rassom 15 July 2013 17: 04 New
    +2
    from the heart and kidneys for the tank "flower"
  22. Pattor
    Pattor 15 July 2013 18: 45 New
    +2
    Hello everyone. In the video and photo export options of Chrysanthemums, we have other complexes in the army. The report shown is shot on cars sent to Libya))). And our standard green version, without PCT, air conditioning and thermal imager. In the army there is only in Ingushetia + at the Bryansk storage base (only about 40 pieces were released).
    And about the application - the Libyans perfectly extinguished sniper points with thermobaric shots.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 15 July 2013 20: 38 New
      +1
      And you do not tell me where on the "Chrysanthemum" PKT?
      1. Pattor
        Pattor 16 July 2013 11: 28 New
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        FCT have export options shipped to Libya. by special order of Gaddafi)) is installed on the left-in place of the commander. reticle is displayed on the triplex.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 16 July 2013 11: 31 New
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          And what's the point? When the tanks are 400 meters away, the commander still needs to jump out of the car and drag his RPG to the nearest shelter. A machine gun from a mechanic, RPKS
  23. user
    user 15 July 2013 18: 53 New
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    Chrysanthemum (ATRA)
    http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A5%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B5%D0
    % BC% D0% B0-% D0% A1

    9P157-2 fighting vehicle at the exhibition "Technologies in Mechanical Engineering - 2012"
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  25. asbaev
    asbaev 15 July 2013 19: 44 New
    +1
    Nice flower :)
  26. mirag2
    mirag2 15 July 2013 20: 10 New
    +2
    “The only product in the world” —and maybe it isn’t necessary? Maybe it’s time to create, though not the only one, even if it is not outstanding, BUT the THIRD GENERATION, AND NOT THE ONE in the SECOND GENERATION at least close to the characteristics of “Javelin” ( 1986) - I’m not talking about Spike (???? g).
    ps I'm waiting for a bunch of minuses from the older generation of haters ...
    psps "... the armed forces of a number of countries are moving large-scale from the second-generation ATGM to the third ATGM" ...
    -So why are you happy?
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 15 July 2013 20: 35 New
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      Dear, is it necessary? Without any cap: Are you able to justify the need for such a replacement, or is the main fashion for you? "Hachu, like everyone else?"
      1. dustycat
        dustycat 15 July 2013 21: 51 New
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        In Libya, at what range were the tanks hit?
        What means of reconnaissance were used?
        This is not "I want it like everyone else" - this is what the generals want with us - it is such that everyone thinks for another five years.
        So choose.
        Or upgrade this UAV.
        Either make the system released forgot with a video thermal head. With reverse video channel.
        Or nefig brain powder.
        So far, this is a fine-tuned weapon of ultra-close radius.
        Well, what’s the point of a high-tech weaponry whose range is covered by the FFP with a homing warhead and a range of 20 km.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 15 July 2013 22: 29 New
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          It seems, dear, you consider the anti-tankers to be something like saboteurs, whose main task is to bast the first tank that you get and make legs. That is, you do not have the slightest idea about what, in fact, the functions assigned to them.

          So you know what the Chrysanthemum has in the US Army? Here it is, and still:
    2. evil hamster
      evil hamster 15 July 2013 21: 18 New
      +3
      Hmm, that is, do you propose to accept as a brigade PT reserve a certain PTKR with the characteristics of Javelin? range of 2500 and all that? yes you are the original however. And yet, the year of adoption of the javelin into service 1996.
      1. dustycat
        dustycat 15 July 2013 22: 01 New
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        And what prevents to finish up to the level of let-forget with a reverse video channel with GOS?
        And so this also requires a UAV complex.
        In this form, it is simply a sophisticated device for anti-terror while saving on air support.

        A much simpler set of FFP with homing warheads and UAVs with a range of 20 km.
        It costs about the same, and the overlapping PTO and SRT strip is three times wider.

        And then - such a bandura without DZ and KAZ - the goal is the number of times for Tou and the Javelins.

        No, of course, our women can give birth to peasants ...
        But in battle it is better to be away from such a fool.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 15 July 2013 22: 39 New
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          Quote: dustycat
          A much simpler set of FFP with homing warheads and UAVs with a range of 20 km.

          Very interesting. And now, please, tell us how to use drones as an anti-tank reserve of the brigade.
        2. evil hamster
          evil hamster 16 July 2013 00: 25 New
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          Quote: dustycat
          And what prevents to finish up to the level of let-forget with a reverse video channel with GOS?
          Maybe this is a completely different complex, with a different ideology and for completely different money, not? By the way, how is your reverse radio channel going to live in conditions of a dense enemy electronic warfare. And is it that the EW adversary hacked - the war is canceled? his tanks no longer need to be burned?
          Quote: dustycat
          In this form, it is simply a sophisticated device for anti-terror while saving on air support.
          Dear, however, having your air support does not guarantee superiority in the air, the enemy SUDDENLY also has an Air Force.
          Quote: dustycat
          A much simpler set of FFP with homing warheads and UAVs with a range of 20 km.
          If we are talking about a normal GOS like Javelin’s, and not elementalism that is shoved into ammunition, then this nifiga is not easier, but very complicated and expensive. But a UAV is good, but it is also necessary under Chrysanthemum - as a means of general reconnaissance and to fasten it to the ATGM unnecessarily. And yet, the downing of the drone, the destruction of the operator, the suppression of its electronic warfare - should not remove the ATGM from the battle, do not you?
          Quote: dustycat
          And then - such a bandura without DZ and KAZ - the goal is the number of times for Tou and the Javelins.
          And why are they in the first line in your mountain range, right in front of the tanks?
          Quote: dustycat
          No, of course, our women can give birth to peasants ...
          yes yes they have filled up with meat, but in England they don’t clean bricks ...
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  27. Ppsh
    Ppsh 15 July 2013 20: 22 New
    +1
    And our standard green version, without PCT, air conditioning and thermal imager

    Indeed, why do Russians need a thermal imager? At night, we sleep and do not fight anyone ...
    The complex is out of date 20 years ago. GOS for the ATGM did not. Put the PU on the mast, securing the crew - tries! It’s not far from Sturm .... And the control machine is a mediocre pile of boxes. Tin!
    1. cdrt
      cdrt 15 July 2013 21: 51 New
      +2
      Here ... I want to agree with everyone wink
      1. The complex is the most powerful. Heavy ATGM created today in the Russian Federation - yes
      2. Better Sturm-S - yes
      3. The best we have is no, Cornet-D is hardly worse, but it crawls on the Tiger, they are promptly, and in most significant cases tactically more mobile - yes
      4. Since No shot-forgot complex outdated - yes. And screaming - and it is necessary - do not pour out need for virtue.
      5. In short, complete agreement with everything wink

      And by the way, I liked the control machine most of all - right the prototype of the PRP with a modern set of sensors wink
  28. Pattor
    Pattor 15 July 2013 20: 36 New
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    Quote: PPSh
    And our standard green version, without PCT, air conditioning and thermal imager

    Indeed, why do Russians need a thermal imager? At night, we sleep and do not fight anyone ...
    The complex is out of date 20 years ago. GOS for the ATGM did not. Put the PU on the mast, securing the crew - tries! It’s not far from Sturm .... And the control machine is a mediocre pile of boxes. Tin!

    On the control machine is a remote diesel generator, it works without the running engine turned on. behind the radar tower of detection and target designation "FARA" well and so on the BMP-3 base body kit.
    1. dustycat
      dustycat 15 July 2013 22: 10 New
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      Quote: Pattor
      On the control machine is a remote diesel generator, it works without the running engine turned on. behind the radar tower of detection and target designation "FARA" well and so on the BMP-3 base body kit.


      Yeah, all the same BMP3 without DZ, KAZ ...
      That the BMP 3 chassis itself is outdated garbage.
      We will not say anything about the BMD3 and BMD4 chassis - they are also without DZ and KAZ - but they are much more convenient for placing this complex.
      Are the peasant women giving birth?
      And directly ready-made operators for this canopy give birth.
      Which usually needs to be prepared for at least two years, with an available training period of 1 year, so that they can survive at least a third of the ammunition in battle.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 15 July 2013 22: 41 New
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        Quote: dustycat
        Yeah, all the same BMP3 without DZ, KAZ ...

        And why are they in the trenches when, due to the parapet, one sight sticks out?
      2. evil hamster
        evil hamster 16 July 2013 00: 29 New
        +1
        A lot in the world chassis with DZ and KAZ?
  29. dustycat
    dustycat 15 July 2013 21: 39 New
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    Well, 6 km, the laser track and millimeter is of course good.
    But without the UAV and KAZ, without the video and thermal imaging SAS, without the regime, I kicked it all away.
    Old junk mid-1980s ..
    Although the idea needs to be further developed and modernized.
    1. Massik
      Massik 15 July 2013 22: 30 New
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      This is where in combined arms combat you see UAV ??? There is a familiar helicopter pilot, he flies on Mi 24, so he says knocking a UAV is not so difficult, “pulnul forgot” is also so-so, pulnul is forgotten, and the target is unaffected and crows further from the 120mm gun to the right and left, and you already do it differently you work the goal. If this range means to stand somewhere for 2-3 km from the line of fire and shoot slowly ....
    2. evil hamster
      evil hamster 16 July 2013 00: 32 New
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      Quote: dustycat
      without video and thermal imaging gas

      Why what ???
  30. voliador
    voliador 15 July 2013 22: 21 New
    +2
    Good machine!
  31. SOKOL777
    SOKOL777 15 July 2013 23: 19 New
    +2
    I live in the city where the "Chrysanthemum" is created. Some data is classified.
    Many people don’t even know about the capabilities of this complex ...
    I’ll add a little from myself. A beautiful car! There is NO RESCUE from it!
    "Abrams" is not a nut for her ... Sunflower seed.
  32. starhina01
    starhina01 15 July 2013 23: 28 New
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    HOPE OURS IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE ARMATUES ALLOWED FOR ALL THREATS FROM CHRISANTEM. But the chrysanthemum to be as a modernization of BMP2 of which we have a bit too much and the Ministry of Defense announced a tender, why not.
  33. I think so
    I think so 16 July 2013 00: 13 New
    -2
    The appearance of this complex gives the impression that it was not developed by the military and not for war ... A mass of protruding and unprotected units ... Highly sticking out some details ... In general, hastily done thoughtlessly ... At first glance, one shot from a sniper rifle on these parts of the “complex” will be enough to turn it into a caterpillar tractor suitable only for plowing chill ...
    1. Letnab
      Letnab 16 July 2013 04: 17 New
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      Do you have any idea how to protect these protruding parts?
  34. SPBOBL
    SPBOBL 18 July 2013 15: 26 New
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    Quote: seasoned
    Quote: SPBOBL
    Amer’s tanks are wonderful targets for the “Chrysanthemum,” when they click with a bang ...

    Minusanul for nonsense hi I’m not for the fact that Abrams are cool and not for the fact that the Chrysanthemum is bad - I am against cap-hatred request

    You did not see them in action! I saw at the training ground ...