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Quick guide to using a TV captured tank (Panther), 1944 year

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  1. ded_73
    ded_73 15 July 2013 09: 14
    +2
    And I have nothing to do in the garden! Already neighbors hold on, I'm going to you ....
  2. Professor
    Professor 15 July 2013 09: 15
    +3
    An interesting guide, it remains only to get a tank.
    1. Greyfox
      Greyfox 15 July 2013 09: 18
      15
      The manual was written for those who have already procured ....
  3. igordok
    igordok 15 July 2013 11: 22
    +1
    There is a German instruction for fighting tanks. Unfortunately with the German language in any way, but the illustrations are speaking.
    1. Simple
      Simple 15 July 2013 12: 05
      +1
      In general, it is written there as shown in the figures.
      "In medium and heavy armored military vehicles, hand grenades should not be thrown at armor or tracks ..."
      Further on the drawings. winked
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  5. igordok
    igordok 15 July 2013 11: 25
    0
    Another one.........
  6. sq
    sq 15 July 2013 11: 52
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    The drafters did a considerable piece of work. According to this memo, with at least the rudiments of the brain, you can quickly understand the structure and operation of the machine.
  7. Terrible ensign
    Terrible ensign 15 July 2013 12: 34
    0
    Thanks so much for the stuff! ..
  8. Lavr75
    Lavr75 15 July 2013 13: 22
    0
    Thank you, I read it like a novel, I was never connected with tanks, just like with the army, I really liked it. Well done, respect and respect! drinks
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  10. xan
    xan 15 July 2013 13: 54
    +2
    I regret that I did not copy the description of this tank given by our tanker, who was fighting in the panther, and who fought on the t-34 before the panther. on inosmi one forum member in the discussion cited. in short - it is better to defend on the panther, and to advance on the t-34. running full bullshit, and the gun and frontal armor are good
    1. Ghenxnumx
      Ghenxnumx 15 July 2013 14: 04
      +4
      Quote: xan
      I regret that I did not copy the description of this tank given by our tanker, who was fighting in the panther, and who fought on the t-34 before the panther.

      I can help with that hi
      Start:
      Quote: Nemazun
      ... Now specifically his characteristics of "Panther".
      First impression. It is huge in comparison with the T-34-76, on which it fought from before. The armor is thick, rational, reliable in appearance. A very convenient place is the driver’s mechanic, the seat is much more convenient than on the T-34. Management is easier than on the T-34. Great TPU. High-quality triplexes - no turbidity (ours happened).
      When the regiment went to the front, the army was actively advancing, so quite a lot had to move under its own power. Evaluation of driving performance. According to him, "round and round" is bad, there is no comparison with Soviet vehicles, although the tanks themselves are of better quality than domestic ones (less pull-up). Why is it bad? Firstly, chronic overheating of the engine. Secondly - the huge consumption of fuel and, especially, oil, although the engine itself was reliable (in "idle" or there, whatever generator to turn, would work endlessly - his words). Thirdly, the disgusting undercarriage, the tank is much more "shaking" than the T-34. He does not remember a single incident that came in full force. Gearbox and clutch "flew" constantly. The maximum travel speed is 30 km / h, usually 20-25. At first, when they were given the pace of movement like the T-34, the lag was chronic, they could never move out on time, with all the ensuing consequences for the commanders, then they figured it out well and the "timing" of promotion began to give real ones. However, most of the crews were fighters and no one was in a hurry to the front, incl. for them, the "slowness" of "Panther" was rather a plus.
      Overcoming water barriers was generally a "song". Since the "Panther" bridges were not "held", they wade through the rivers. It was done like this. The commander negotiated with the "neighbors" and they allocated the T-34, which was on the other side (he then crossed the bridge). If, while overcoming the ford, the "Panther" sat on its belly (and this happened almost always), then the cable was wound up and the T-34 helped the "Panther" get out. Then the T-34 moved on, and they continued the saga with the cables further, only the Panther, which had moved over, became the tractor.
      1. Ghenxnumx
        Ghenxnumx 15 July 2013 14: 09
        +3
        Extension
        Quote: Nemazun
        Combat characteristics. Together, "Panthers" and T-34s were used 1-2 times, then they were used only separately. We quickly figured out that the tankers in the T-34 "Panthers" get on their nerves. In addition, it turned out that these tanks are completely different in purpose. Then, "Panthers" were engaged only in breaking through fortified zones. They realized that this medium tank was very heavy and began to use it accordingly. "As soon as the Germans gain a foothold, we go there" - these are his words.
        Engine in battle. According to him - rubbish. In addition to overheating, it turned out that the engine was weak for such a tank. The Germans were fixed on the heights, the tank went up very badly, and if it hadn't been raining for a while, then it was a complete ass. It is not realistic to break into the trenches in a "jerk" (and sometimes it is very necessary), as it happened on the T-34, on the "Panther". There were cases of clutch breakdowns in battle, when the crews tried to "jerk" out of old memory.
        They were really afraid of hitting a shell in the engine compartment. "On the T-34, a shell in the engine is happiness. For an Ambet tank, the crew is intact. Rest, wait for a new car. And the Panther is lucky enough - if it's in the engine, then there is a chance, and if it's a gas tank, it explodes. dearly. " According to him, they went into battle only with a full refueling of the tanks - the chance of exploding was less.
        Armor. The forehead is reliable. The tower is good in front, good from the sides and back. The side of the hull and stern is bad. The German 75 mm PTO cut the "Panther" in the side from 500-600 meters, and 88 mm guns and per kilometer. Another serious drawback of armor is the flying off of fragments due to cracking. According to him, the wounded with pieces of armor (sometimes very hard) were after each battle. On the T-34, according to him, the armor was much more viscous and such wounds were rare, and each case of such an injury was the reason for a serious "disassembly" and a complaint to the plant. In general, according to him, it was difficult to fight psychologically in Panther. Both armor and chassis are unreliable. Especially the armor, the tank is very large, you can't run away, don't hide, there is only hope for the armor, and she (the armor) throws out such tricks.
        A gun. "Class!" Both the gun and the sight. The gunner, by contrast, was terribly pleased. She was hitting far and very accurately. According to him - "100 meters away - in a handkerchief." True, his crew only had a chance to use it against a tank once. A "crazy" T-IV crawled out from somewhere, "sealed" it with two shells from 900 meters. More precisely, after hitting the 1st tank caught fire, and the second finished off - the ammunition detonated, the crew died. (At first they thought that "Tiger", and this is at least a medal, but then the intelligence looked and it turned out that the "four" hung with screens.) According to him, the armor penetration of the gun was excellent, from it, in principle, already from 1000 m it was possible to "close up" any German tank, even the "Tiger" (and they had such cases). Of course, on the T-34-76 such a "trick" was impossible. Another thing is that the Germans had few tanks, there was "not enough" for all. In firing at pillboxes and anti-tank guns, he did not notice any special differences in power from the 76 mm T-34 cannon.
        Radio station and stuff. The walkie-talkie is gorgeous. Long-range, no noise, no wheezing. The review from all places is certainly better than on the T-34-76, but similar to the T-34-85. In general, the tower is very convenient, even more convenient than on the T-34-85. Not much, but still.
        1. Ghenxnumx
          Ghenxnumx 15 July 2013 14: 13
          +5
          Ending:
          Quote: Nemazun
          His conclusion, an excellent gun, with an average reliability of armor and nowhere worthless chassis.
          Maintainability - apparently bad, at our field repair plants, according to him, "Panther" was hated. Why did they not like "Panther" so much, I didn’t manage to ask.
          On the "Panthers" they won back about a month. Then the regiment was again taken to reorganization and the materiel was replaced with T-34-85, on which it fought until the end of the war. The veteran considered the T-34-85 the best tank in the world. He liked him very much.

          Full story here http://www.inosmi.ru/world/20130320/207163234.html
    2. vladimirZ
      vladimirZ 15 July 2013 16: 51
      0
      Indeed, "running full of bullshit", not only are all these gaps between the rollers clogged with mud, but in the autumn-spring period with frosts, all this mud freezes and slows down the movement. So even in terms of repair and replacement of rollers - a complete "ass" - to replace 1 roller, you need to remove all the road rollers on one side of the tank, and this is not a small job.
  11. LM66
    LM66 15 July 2013 13: 58
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    Quote: kvm
    The drafters did a considerable piece of work.

    They themselves studied interestingly or translated German instructions
  12. Simple
    Simple 15 July 2013 14: 09
    +3
    Maybe someone will be interested:

    http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Waffen/panzer5.htm

    (in German, but you can ask in "Google-translator").

  13. igordok
    igordok 15 July 2013 16: 50
    +3
    Page from the German Tiger Quick Start Guide. Section for the gunner.
  14. Kovrovsky
    Kovrovsky 15 July 2013 18: 17
    +1
    Detailed guidance. It is a pity that we had comparatively few captured Panthers, although there was a whole company armed with Panthers. These tanks were given to the most trained crews. Difficulty in operation and problems with spare parts quickly disabled the Panthers.
  15. disa
    disa 15 July 2013 20: 59
    0
    ... well, now, according to the logic of the thing, it is necessary to "dig out" a Short Guide to using our T-34-85 ... and of course publish it ... together with this and some analysis of performance characteristics. It will make a good article ... whole.
    1. igordok
      igordok 15 July 2013 21: 08
      +1
      Quote: disa
      ... well, now, according to the logic of the thing, it is necessary to "dig out" a Short Guide to using our T-34-85 ... and of course publish it ... together with this and some analysis of performance characteristics. It will make a good article ... whole.

      You are welcome. Quick Start Guide for T-34 (76) only.
      For T-34-85:
      "Manual on the material part of the T-34-85 tank" - http://yadi.sk/d/vi3zEbSJ6rRCE
      "Guidelines for military repair of the T-34-85 tank and the SU-100 self-propelled art installation. 1965" - http://yadi.sk/d/fmLk6VwB6rTOs
      The truth is already post-war leadership.
  16. smiths xnumx
    smiths xnumx 15 July 2013 21: 38
    +1
    Most of all, our tankers were attracted to the "Panther" by weapons: the ballistic data of the 75-mm KwK 42 gun made it possible to knock out German tanks at distances inaccessible to any Soviet tank (and anti-tank) gun, in addition, the excellent radio station and guidance devices made the "Panther" excellent command vehicle. For example, the 991st Self-Propelled Artillery Regiment of Lieutenant Colonel Gordeev (46th Army of the 3rd Ukrainian Front) consisted of 16 SU-76s and 3 captured Panthers, which were used as command vehicles for SU-76 batteries.
  17. volkodav
    volkodav 16 July 2013 21: 59
    0
    and now, in the log of things you need the same guide for leklers, leopards, merkava, and other dishonesty to release and distribute among the troops wassat Jewish citizens and geyropeytsy do not need to yell, this is so, just in case, suddenly a war soldier