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Mr. Obama, you should not call President Putin!

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Mr. Obama, you should not call President Putin!



As stated in our same article from 29 June. What happens when the president is silent: “If in the designated period of time - the next two weeks, the United States does not show interest in Snowden, Russia will have to take the initiative. Well, in fact, if the joke with the transit zone of Sheremetyevo is delayed for another two weeks, then the Russian leadership will find it difficult to explain to journalists what is happening on Russian territory, even in the transit zone. This Hochma is no longer a ride. Then Russia will have to look for a way out of this situation, and Putin would not want to. He prefers that the US demands, then the intentions of the Americans will be clear. ”

Here the author accurately guessed the trend of the case for the next two weeks. If it seems to someone that Snowden accidentally began to show some activity at this time, the author advises to think about what was said in that article. History this one really dragged on. Someone says that it put Russia in an awkward position, nevertheless, as long as this is not a fact, the facts are only now beginning to emerge.

Snowden's activity was probably prompted to him by Russian comrades. In this case, Putin squeezes out all that is possible very correctly. The blows and moves of his analysts are very sensitive to the United States. Again, for the United States it would be better if no one ever remembered Snowden, but this will not happen and this is probably the strongest deterrent effect of this event. In the future, the United States will stumble here and there on the results of leaks made by a runaway agent.

The meeting itself or even more precisely the operation, let's call it G9, is the height of skill. Putin let down on the USA their own human rights defenders, who had previously cursed Russia exclusively and had never stuttered about anything else. Now the question was put so that who would refuse to participate in this high-profile case, would become a foreign agent in fact, even without possible declarations of himself in this role.

Washington on this occasion thunder and lightning threw and gnashed his teeth, it was clear that Putin had hit the bull's eye again, or rather, was marking time on Obama’s bloody blisters. However, in general, this could have been foreseen, but Obama’s reaction, who said that he would call President Putin on this issue, is unexpected and says only that there are no other ways for the United States to put pressure on Russia. Remember in the middle years, just that the State Department already “regrets”, “expresses bewilderment”, “prepares sanctions”, “cuts back help” and “even supports the exclusion of Russia” from somewhere and vice versa includes it somewhere .. for example is the axis of evil!

What can Obama say to President Putin? What did he not expect such a reboot? However, here Putin will be able to remind him that the reboot happened in March 2009 of the year, and literally 8 months before, the United States staged a bloodbath in South Ossetia, through its crazy bobby - Saakashvili. It was a huge mistake of America. After the Great Patriotic War, the Russians are well aware of the price of the allies and are not happy with the fact that they are being killed.

At the same time, the United States can do nothing today with a strong Russia. For example, in Afghanistan, the US tightly swallowed the Russian bait called "Russian transit", which is the least costly way out of Afghanistan, which is still to be done by the United States. Another point is also interesting. American political analysts say that Russia is systematically hindering the national interests of the United States, probably not at all assuming that Russia has its own national interests, which are closer to it than the interests of overseas partners.

One such clever man said that the United States needed Russia to be calmer on the world stage and would enable the United States to implement its plans. One would like to ask whether a respected analyst comes to mind that Russia intervenes only when it touches its national interests, while the United States interferes always and everywhere. So maybe this is the US should be calmer and not smoke in the powder warehouse? Otherwise it will surely cause explosive consequences. But for the US, any of their foreign policy or military plans are untouchables for other countries. In any case, it used to be that way.

The idea with the list of Magnitsky looks completely stupid. American lawmakers thought they would frighten someone with this, and it turned out that Putin turned these initiatives on the gain of Russia itself and even took the cream off of this law twice. The first time when he signed the law of Dima Yakovlev, and the second time when Magnitsky's list hit the top of the government and a ban appeared on foreign bank accounts. As a result, the US influence on the Russian elite has decreased. Is it in the interests of the United States? Of course no! The silly American lawmakers from the backyard chess club sat down to play with the grandmaster. The problem here is that the more chess boards in this simultaneous game, the worse the situation for the United States.

Judge for yourself if the grandmaster is alone, and they play against him on 16 boards, then each game he loses is only 1/16 point, but each point won is full. This does not happen in chess tournaments, but that is how it looks in international politics. This does not seem to be understood in the USA and is substituted over and over again. Previously, all this was supported by powerful fleets and quick punishment. Now, no retaliation, no violence, no fleets. Even CIA officers on unpaid leave. Approximately the same as in Russia in the zero years. Just do not need to curse Russia and Putin now, this is the work of your hands, gentlemen, crazy "McCain and Cardins." As for the law of Dima Yakovlev, it was a very gnawing slap in the face after which US politicians cannot recover until now.

Recently, in one of the private conversations with one such gentleman, the author of the article heard a question to himself: "Do you think Putin will continue to apply sanctions against the United States if he does not like what we accept against Russia, or he has already fired all the powder He had?". Honestly, the question took by surprise. The first natural reaction was not to restrain oneself and laugh, but one should not forget that it was a confidential conversation and thus offended the interlocutor, in the future one could simply lose such a wonderful opportunity of direct communication. I had to answer in detail.

Putin did not shoot anything and did not even try to do it. The expression itself is not correct here, it still implies some spontaneous actions. Putin, for the time being, only felt the path of influence, he, as American pioneers moving along a new path to undiscovered lands, is looking for the best moves, and having found them, develops a further route. Neither of which a shot can be no question. In general, if we are talking about shots, then for Putin this is the last thing, but if it still came to that, then Putin would prefer a knife, not a gun. Knowledgeable people say that the knife in such matters is the subject of personal skill, and the Colt is just an impersonal approach. But Putin and with his bare hands are not a gift.

The deterioration of interstate relations is not a story today. Last year, right after his election, Putin refused to pay a visit to Obama and the meeting in the Oval Office crashed down, crushing those who had planned it. It was an incredible nonsense that the United States does not first. Earlier, Israel also pierced. Well, think for yourself. The owner of the office Obama in his place the owner, and Putin on what? At the place of the petitioner or subordinate. Similarly, in Israel, they wanted to fasten a pile on it, thus recognizing the supremacy of a religion alien to Putin. Gentlemen preparing this dish in their kitchen, it seems that they themselves were scalded. By the way, to note that for those who are proud of their religion only in that it was the source for the rest of the religions, the good is very little. People are proud of the past when the present can not be proud.

If the author of this article was an adviser to Obama, the advice would be: Do not need to call Putin and ask for the extradition of Snowden. Your deeds should speak in favor and instead of your words, and not vice versa.

Generally speaking, political science in the United States has come into significant decline. The Americans missed the moment when it was necessary to develop other mechanisms of influence or even more correctly to say interaction. Even with a strong fleet and a rich country, it was necessary to think about scant years, but instead the United States crushed everyone in their fat years. Nobody thought about building human relations between countries, everything was slipping into some kind of global gangster disassembly. Maybe because in the American politics then there were Texan motives of the President-cyclist? There are known bullets whistling, and thoughts are asleep. But all this will continue for some time, until rotten teeth are pulled out of the political American mouth, such as McCain, who stinks around the world and makes self-respecting people move away from this happiness away.
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  1. serge-68-68
    serge-68-68 14 July 2013 07: 08 New
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    The situation with Snowden is very revealing.
    1. According to a slightly angry shout from the USA, ALL countries took a peak (except for a couple of pseudo-states), and some went into open violation of international agreements.
    2. ALL human rights activists are silent in a rag.
    In general, if Putin gives asylum to Snowden, he will declare himself as a REAL political player. If it can withstand the subsequent pressure, then Russia could very well become a REAL center of power. Curious how it all ends.
    1. ildar335
      ildar335 14 July 2013 07: 22 New
      +5
      your words to God in the ears!
    2. bomg.77
      bomg.77 14 July 2013 07: 45 New
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      Quote: serge-68-68
      In general, if Putin gives asylum to Snowden, he will declare himself as a REAL political player
      In my opinion, he is now one real politician, and has long declared himself. Who of all politicians can you put on a par with him at the moment? Holland? Cameron? Obama? Or Merkel, by the way, after Putin, she is the most real.
      1. serge-68-68
        serge-68-68 14 July 2013 07: 49 New
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        REAL politics is judged by REAL deeds. If it were not for his "bowling" in front of the Yankees: "If he wants to stay here, there is one condition: he must stop his work aimed at harming our American partners, no matter how strange it sounds from my lips," I would agreed. But so - alas. And the REAL politician so far is Obama, why is indicated above.
        1. bomg.77
          bomg.77 14 July 2013 08: 11 New
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          Quote: serge-68-68
          If not for his "scrolling" in front of the Yankes:
          According to these words, did you transfer him to a second-rate politician? It’s just a game for the public, but in reality, thanks to Snowden, it’s been not the first week that Putin has publicly dunked Obama in his very own home and along with Obama he has been singing along with everyone. affairs and real politics.
          1. Arthur 775
            Arthur 775 15 July 2013 00: 47 New
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            Yes, it’s not the GDP that dips them into kakka, but they themselves dive into their own de ... mo. This is the trick. While Vladimir (the first time I write in full) is busy with daily affairs, the amers dive headlong (even strange) into their cacans .Ask for help ...
            As GDP reads political information to the west !!!! It’s time at home to ORDER !!!!
        2. Tersky
          Tersky 14 July 2013 08: 32 New
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          Quote: serge-68-68
          . And the REAL politician for now is Obama, why - indicated above.

          Well, yes, Obama holds the whole world for eggs. Only here, the journalist of the Guardian newspaper Glenn Grenwald sees something completely different - Snowden has enough information to do more serious damage to the American government than anyone could have done before, ”said Greenwal.
          According to the journalist, before his escape, Snowden specially saved data in network storage facilities around the world. This, in particular, is about how the software works, allowing the special services to access electronic information of citizens.
          “The US government should pray every day that nothing happens to Snowden, otherwise the whole amount of data will be released, and for the United States it will be worse than a nightmare,” Greenwal says.
          More details: http://www.vmdaily.ru/news/2013/07/14/snouden-znaet-kak-rabotayut-shpionskie-pro



          Add to this the refusal of the US Congress to supply weapons to thugs in Syria, the failure and complete fiasco in Afghanistan, etc. Real politicians are sitting on a printing press, Obama is just a tool. So as they say in such cases, "Look around you, who does not have you"
        3. 11 black
          11 black 14 July 2013 09: 00 New
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          Quote: serge-68-68
          REAL politics is judged by REAL deeds. If it were not for his "bowling" in front of the Yankees: "If he wants to stay here, there is one condition: he must stop his work aimed at harming our American partners, no matter how strange it sounds from my lips," I would agreed. But so - alas. And the REAL politician so far is Obama, why is indicated above.

          But you are not a politician at all ... don’t be offended, but politics is not based on brute force. To rule things out so that not one of your enemies could even say a word against you - that’s aerobatics, and this phrase of Putin makes it impossible for the USA to accuse Russia of harboring criminals (Snowden is a de facto traitor who betrayed the military and political interests of his state, let and out of honest intentions), and even if Snowden continues to shit USA, we just say we are not guilty, we warned him that it’s impossible, etc. etc.
          1. serge-68-68
            serge-68-68 14 July 2013 10: 35 New
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            I am not a politician, thank God. I am a political scientist. And my dissertation, defended back in 1998 at Moscow State University, was devoted to conflicts of low intensity.
            "Razrulivalsya" without conflicts occurs where there is real power behind the "razrulivalschik" - economic or military. Soft power became software only when military and economic forces had already provided the ground.
            Snowden is a de facto traitor. De facto was a traitor and S.M. Tretyakov, a resident of the SVR in the United States, who defected in 2000. But I don’t remember something, that we demanded his immediate return.
            1. nycsson
              nycsson 14 July 2013 12: 21 New
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              Quote: serge-68-68
              "Razrulivalsya" without conflicts occurs where there is real power behind the "razrulivalschik" - economic or military.

              It’s hard to disagree with you! hi And we have neither one nor the other. The CIA director will come to us again with a list of accounts and give Snowden away, no matter where they go. lol
              However, we still see how this performance will end. Personally, I'm very interested!
              1. smile
                smile 14 July 2013 12: 53 New
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                nycsson
                I do not agree. If we surrender Snowden after everything that has already happened in this strange story, this step will seriously damage the prestige of Russia and Putin personally. Ours will never do this. Here neither us nor the Americans have any place to retreat - behind the Great Puddle, nobody wants to step into ... or rather, the USA is already in a puddle-they have driven themselves there ... but in any puddle there are places deeper. :))))
                1. nycsson
                  nycsson 14 July 2013 13: 07 New
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                  Quote: smile
                  If we give Snowden after everything that has already happened in this strange story, this step will seriously damage the prestige of Russia and Putin personally

                  Think correctly! Now imagine that Snowden fell on our heads like thunder from a clear sky! Could this be? Of course it can! This is a setup, whatever one may say! Judge for yourself why we need him, or rather, our special services, all that he knew, he posted on the Internet! laughing
                  Quote: smile
                  Ours will never do this.

                  Ours didn’t go for that! A concrete example is the death of Kursk!

                  Quote: smile
                  Here neither us nor the Americans have any place to retreat - behind the Big Puddle, nobody wants to step into ... or rather, the United States is already in a puddle — they drove themselves there ... but in any puddle there are places deeper. :))))

                  What puddle are they in? What are you talking about? The United States is printing unsecured dollars and buying up on these pieces of paper everything that is bad! They will default and everyone they owe will forgive everyone!
                  And what about Russia? But Russia is just in a puddle, or rather in crap to its ears, with its demography, army, raw material economy and dependence on imports of consumer goods. I almost forgot about our accounts in Western banks (legal and illegal).
                  Or do you recall the situation in Cyprus with billing? Draw your own conclusions, and even better soberly look at real things!
                  1. nickname 1 and 2
                    nickname 1 and 2 14 July 2013 13: 22 New
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                    Quote: nycsson
                    Draw your own conclusions, and even better soberly look at real things!


                    Have you overslept? it seems to me little by little (and maybe radically) everything is changing. There are serious changes and they played in the Russian Federation.

                    And now - nowadays it doesn’t roll into scarecrows.

                    Note - gas? - We’ll get it at home! (even to the detriment of nature) and the geyropa, too !, cutting back on defense !, etc. - these are not jokes.
                    Is the world changing?
                    Even China is not fashionable to scare.
                    1. nycsson
                      nycsson 14 July 2013 15: 41 New
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                      Quote: nick 1 and 2
                      Have you overslept?

                      And in my opinion you are sleeping! hi
                  2. smile
                    smile 14 July 2013 14: 42 New
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                    nycsson
                    There is a clear misunderstanding.
                    1. The story is very dark. God forbid dozens of people on the planet (if the good Chinese did not shake everything out of it and it didn’t mean a billion :)))). We do not belong to this circle. Therefore I will not argue. who framed whom is a moot point.
                    2. The death of Kursk is also a moot point. although there are too many points indicating that there is someone else's trace. How specifically these issues were resolved we do not know. But I won’t argue about Kursk - it’s long and pointless. In addition, it is impossible to compare the international position of Russia at that time and now. At that time we were still sitting in a deep ... pope. now get out of it.
                    3. About the puddle - I spoke specifically about the situation with Snowden and the dances around him, and not about the situation in the United States as a whole. ONLY about Snowden. And then they just got into a puddle. They were scolded first of all in front of their own and the European electorate, to which they came to. that the stripes have their allies. The Europeans still screwed up with the interception of the aircraft. This is a serious missed blow in psychological warfare. This is a serious blow to the international image of the United States, which, I think, cannot catch the fugitive. That is why I am inclined to think that if Snowden is a setup. it’s not American.
                    I repeat, I had in mind the puddle precisely in the context of runaway Snowden and that’s all.
                    1. nycsson
                      nycsson 14 July 2013 15: 54 New
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                      Quote: smile
                      There is a clear misunderstanding.

                      Do you or me? You can argue with foam at the mouth for a long time. I suggest to wait a bit. And there it will be seen.
                      Quote: smile
                      The story is very dark.

                      You can’t argue with that! Special Services .........
                      Quote: smile
                      The death of Kursk is also a moot point.

                      How controversial is he? The mass of material and all claim one thing .......
                      Quote: smile
                      At that time we were still sitting in a deep ... pope. now get out of it.

                      You are deeply mistaken!
                      Quote: smile
                      And then they just climbed into a puddle

                      Or maybe we climbed into a puddle?
                      Quote: smile
                      They were obscured, first of all, in front of their own and the European electorate, to which it came to. that the stripes have their allies.

                      Have you seriously written this? belay request The fact that the USA and Europe are allies of a hedgehog in the forest is understandable!
                      Quote: smile
                      The Europeans still screwed up with the interception of the aircraft. This is a serious missed blow in psychological warfare.

                      Who screwed up? Before Latin America? Not serious! They were given to understand that their priority on this planet tends to zero!
                      What kind of war? Between Latins and Europe? Not serious.
                      Quote: smile
                      This is a serious blow to the international image of the United States.

                      You might think that the plane was forced to land in the United States! It's time to tell jokes about the US international image. Yes, they are not particularly worried about this since the time of Yugoslavia.
                      Quote: smile
                      That is why I am inclined to think that if Snowden is a setup. it’s not American.

                      And whose? The confrontation is between the US and Russia! That is the point! The task of the United States to omit the Russian elite. And it makes no difference whose setup it is.
                      1. smile
                        smile 14 July 2013 16: 15 New
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                        nycsson
                        Briefly.
                        1. There are no signs that we sat down in the story of a fugitive in a puddle. What the USA is. One powerless gnashing of teeth in the USA is worth it. Moreover, powerlessness lasting and exaggerated by all the media. including American.
                        2. What is a psychological war and what are the methods of its conduct, I think, you know. In this round, one-zero is not in favor of striped. The main damage in the form of the European citizen's realization that their countries are on four bones in front of the United States. And it’s more difficult for our fifth column to yell about holy stitching as opposed to bad undemocratic Russia.
                        3. The difference in the international position of Russia in the 90s and 2000s can not be seen only intentionally.
                        Let's not argue anymore. I have kebabs soon, I want to read, huh?
                      2. nycsson
                        nycsson 14 July 2013 18: 25 New
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                        Quote: smile
                        Let's not argue anymore.

                        Let's! hi
                        Quote: smile
                        I have kebabs soon

                        You are lucky! smile
              2. fedorovith
                fedorovith 14 July 2013 14: 25 New
                +1
                Zeroing his passport, they confirmed the transfer of Edik to Russia.
          2. nickname 1 and 2
            nickname 1 and 2 14 July 2013 13: 11 New
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            Quote: serge-68-68
            But I don’t remember something, that we demanded his immediate return.


            And that's right!
            We must not return! We must wean minke whales. This should go into fashion - not return!
            This is all the same dermocracy according to Merowski! Whales should not have any dissidents! But no - they must be. And Snowden trial ball.
          3. bomg.77
            bomg.77 14 July 2013 13: 45 New
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            Quote: serge-68-68
            "Razrulivalsya" without conflicts occurs where there is real power behind the "razrulivalschik" - economic or military. Soft
            laughing This is especially clearly seen in the example of Israel and the United States, very good "controllers" without conflict laughing As long as they resolved without conflict, they destroyed more than one state. Power must be resisted by force, then there will be no conflict!
          4. antidote
            antidote 14 July 2013 14: 05 New
            +2
            Apparently you were defending yourself with a prominent Yeltsin Minister of Foreign Affairs Kozyrev. The same understanding of the situation
            1. serge-68-68
              serge-68-68 14 July 2013 18: 07 New
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              You should know that they are defending not from someone, but somewhere. In my case, at the doctoral Dissertation Council of the Philosophical Faculty of Moscow State University. The response was from L. Nechiporenko, a teacher at the FSB Academy, who at that time was practically the only conflict expert in Russia. :)
          5. fedorovith
            fedorovith 14 July 2013 14: 23 New
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            Because they knew that it makes no sense to talk to them about it, and now let them not blather.
        4. antidote
          antidote 14 July 2013 14: 03 New
          +2
          Putin is brilliantly playing the game. Top class! The world hegemon is silent in a rag and can not say anything
      2. rus9875
        rus9875 14 July 2013 12: 31 New
        -1
        you are a naive person
      3. Anat1974
        Anat1974 14 July 2013 13: 25 New
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        If we needed Snowden, then he would have become Dima Snowdenko or Snowdov long ago, would have received Russian citizenship, had plastic surgery (or something else) and would have caught carp in a pond in some state. dacha in the near Moscow region. If he has not yet received it and has remained Snowden in the transit zone, then Russia as a carrier of information does not need him. This means that the special services know no worse than him what (and how) is happening in the "field" of electronic warfare and surveillance of citizens. Apparently this game suited our special services quite well. The political advantages for us are most likely not obvious, because (I think) there were backstage negotiations on the transfer of our citizens convicted in the United States to us (these are Booth and others). Snowden seems to have broken this whole game. And meanwhile, personally, I did not see a single puncture in Putin's actions.
        And of course I agree with the article. Putin in any situation re-plays Obama as a schoolboy. If he had the opportunity (including financial) of America..sov, nobody would have remembered the United States.
      4. fokino1980
        fokino1980 14 July 2013 16: 27 New
        +3
        Yes serge, with analytics is problematic laughing
      5. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg 14 July 2013 17: 37 New
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        Quote: serge-68-68
        If it were not for his "bowling" in front of the Yankees: "If he wants to stay here, there is one condition: he must stop his work aimed at harming our American partners, no matter how strange it sounds from my lips," I would agreed.


        Snowden in its pure form is a huge zapadlo. Its very presence on our territory is a setup. GDP put forward an exceptionally logical condition - to cease to be a Westerner. If Snowden does not agree, then it will be right to expose him to the 314ndos. Who asks for vinegar, which, under the guise of refugee status, will cause political damage to the host country ??
      6. Revolver
        Revolver 14 July 2013 23: 01 New
        +1
        Quote: serge-68-68
        And the REAL politician for now is Obama, why - indicated above.


        - he is the same director as I am a bishop!
        “You don't look like a bishop, Azazello,” said the cat.
        © M.A. Bulgakov
        THE MASTER AND MARGARITA

        So if Obama is a REAL politician, then I am a bishop. The fact that he warms up> | <oop a chair in the White House does not mean that he corresponds to his position.
  2. SPACE
    SPACE 14 July 2013 08: 26 New
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    Quote: serge-68-68
    In general, if Putin gives asylum to Snowden, he will declare himself as a REAL political player. If it withstands the subsequent pressure, then Russia may well become a REAL center of power

    Russia has always been, is and will be the real center of power! With or without Snowden is not important, it is not in him. Russia had power even during the Gobachev-Yeltsin era, and even more so now under Putin. The issue is not the availability of power, but the desire and its skillful use by the country's leadership.
    Z.Y. The very fact of Snowden seeking political asylum in Russia already speaks of this: The desire and use of the Force by the leadership of the Russian Federation are fully present.
    1. serge-68-68
      serge-68-68 14 July 2013 08: 54 New
      +5
      The real power in politics is the ability to make (force, not convince) others either do what you want, or come to terms with what you have already done. The real step was the capture of the Slatina airfield under Yeltsin. Defeat of Georgia in August 2008. Recognition of Ossetia and Abkhazia. Today there are two markers: Number 1 - Syria and number 2 - Snowden.
      And everything else is spell words.
      1. Igarr
        Igarr 14 July 2013 09: 09 New
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        That Syria, That Snowden - "decoy ducks" for the "general public".
        But no markers.
        Syria - the second year to mutute. Soon the third will begin.
        Snowden - jumped out like a hell out of a snuffbox, with a ridiculous exposure - eavesdropping. Yes, the hedgehog is understandable - they eavesdropped and will eavesdrop. And Putin said this - FOR THE WHOLE WORLD.
        And this is a REAL polyteg - Barack which - just messes up. And substitutes the rest.
        .
        But Putin has one task - to ensure the Olympics in Sochi. So that no one sneezes.
        So it is necessary to evaluate all world politics from this point of view.
        Even the refusal to supply weapons to the militants in Syria - oh, how well it fits into the line.
        1. serge-68-68
          serge-68-68 14 July 2013 09: 19 New
          +5
          Putin has one task - to ensure a worthy place for Russia in the modern world for the future. And by and large, someone will sneeze or cough over the Russian border. So it is necessary to evaluate his actions in this context.
          1. Igarr
            Igarr 14 July 2013 09: 37 New
            +1
            It seems we are talking about the same thing.
            Only in different words.
            The Sochi Olympics is simply the first on the list.
            1. serge-68-68
              serge-68-68 14 July 2013 10: 45 New
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              Yes. We only evaluate the effectiveness of actions and Putin’s ability to act in different ways. I find it less effective; you are more. I believe that he has fewer opportunities (since, in my opinion, Russia is weak economically and militarily), you probably have more.
              As for the Olympics in Sochi, I would prefer to create a dozen quick deployment teams for this money. So here I am a militarist ... :)
              1. Igarr
                Igarr 14 July 2013 12: 36 New
                +1
                Well, I believe that all these cases - Syria with the rebels, Snowden, who turned up so "well", the hesitation of the Senate on the issue of Syria, the Latin America demarche, the BBO exercises - are formed precisely in the interests of Russia.
                Namely, firstly - to get a lever of pressure, "trade" with Western democracy.
                All we see is that, carnival, tinsel. Global problems are seated in a layer that is neither accessible to us nor the media.
                And the primary task is to secure the Olympics. Otherwise, if at least one ass there ... imagines, at least .... with a grenade launcher or a martyr’s belt - Putin will have to wash a lot and a lot. Russia will IMMEDIATELY sink into such a hole that Mom Do not Cry.
                So they will say - "... well, well, Russian comrades, you have once again proved your inability to organize. Whatever.
                And even these ten BDBs do not color you - you, no fuy, are capable of anything.
                Let us introduce you .... an external government. "
                ....
                Against a woman with a bra stuffed with plastid - ten teams are not needed.
                But the little man, supposedly, Snowden - that’s it.
          2. nycsson
            nycsson 14 July 2013 12: 57 New
            +6
            Quote: serge-68-68
            Putin has one task - to ensure a worthy place for Russia in the modern world for the future

            This is a goal, not a task! And it is achieved by performing two main tasks:
            1.Construction of a powerful army and navy
            2: Building a Powerful, Competitive Economy
            Serdyukov “coped” with the first task, and everyone “coped” with the second task together! laughing
      2. SPACE
        SPACE 14 July 2013 09: 36 New
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        Quote: serge-68-68
        The real power in politics is the ability to force (namely to force, not to convince)

        Getting and convincing is just different methods. They force a gun at gunpoint, convince with words. In the politics of Amera, the followers of the gangster-gangster Al Capone said that: "With a gun and a kind word, you can achieve more than just a kind word." What is fundamentally wrong, the Word has a duration of action. The pistol must always be kept at the temple, so the amers are exhausted, there is no strength to hold the Colt over everyone, and they never knew how to convince with words, because then, their policy is losing and will lose to Putin. Putin, on the other hand, knows how to convince first of all with words, but he also keeps the TT in a holster ...
        Z.Y. You won’t get friends waving a gun ...
        1. serge-68-68
          serge-68-68 14 July 2013 10: 19 New
          +1
          Other things being equal: Oderint, dum metuant :)
        2. RA77
          RA77 14 July 2013 10: 26 New
          +3
          Quote: SPACE
          Amer followers of the gangster-gangster Al Capone said that: "With a gun and a kind word, you can achieve more than just a kind word." What is fundamentally wrong

          Generally funny what you say about Al Capone. He was a practitioner, and you are a theorist. And he said this in context, and not at all.
          In what he said, he was absolutely right.

          And you are mistaken in saying further that the Americans are exhausted. They did not run out of steam. From this whole story with Snowden it is clear that the countries of Europe are holding tight, while the rest are still crushed so that China did not want to get involved, while Russia is thinking hard.
          1. SPACE
            SPACE 14 July 2013 15: 13 New
            +1
            Quote: RA77
            Generally funny what you say about Al Capone. He was a practitioner, and you are a theorist

            Really funny and why did you say that, and theorist?
            Quote: RA77
            And you are mistaken in saying further that the Americans are exhausted. Nothing they ran out of steam

            Well, of course you probably know better ... laughing
            1. RA77
              RA77 14 July 2013 19: 44 New
              0
              Quote: SPACE
              Really funny and why did you say that, and theorist?

              Do you like to translate arrows?
              Al Capone must have been talking about what he does, right? And it works, considering what he has achieved. And here you are telling us that this is "fundamentally wrong." Brainhead.
              1. SPACE
                SPACE 14 July 2013 22: 14 New
                0
                Quote: RA77
                And here you are telling us that this is "fundamentally wrong." Brainhead.

                And what true have you said, you propose to solve cases, since he is ... smart guy?
                Quote: RA77
                Al Capone must have talked about what he’s doing, no? And it works, given what he achieved

                I don’t care who Al Capone is, that wasn’t the point.
                Yes, to be a gangster, to rob others, to ruin neighbors, as the United States does, a lot can be achieved, in your opinion, well, so on.
                1. RA77
                  RA77 15 July 2013 11: 11 New
                  0
                  Quote: SPACE
                  And what true have you said, you propose to solve cases, since he is ... smart guy?
                  <...>
                  Yes, to be a gangster, to rob others, to ruin neighbors, as the United States does, a lot can be achieved, in your opinion, well, so on.

                  To begin with, I do not think that the United States is a follower of the gangster Al Capone, as you originally wrote. I do not consider that they follow this his phrase. I’m even sure that many who depend on decisions in the USA do not know what he said! And I do not propose to decide matters as he does. His methods were relevant at that time and in that place.

                  The actions of the Americans are conditioned by the old law of the world. There is nothing to invent new. They act by the right of the strong. This is the second time I encounter Kazakhs and the second time I notice that you don’t understand this moment.
                  We are all people born originally not equal. Someone is stronger, and someone is weaker. He who is stronger will always infringe on the weak. Because equality, equal division can only be between approximately equal in strength. And if someone is stronger, then he will always take more. Why should he be content with as much as the weaker? Similarly, countries are not equal initially. Americans at this moment in time will be stronger than all. Speaking in total. Politically, economically, scientifically and, most importantly, militarily. And they always act equivalent to their strength. They need to get Snowden and they have leverage over the countries of Europe. And they land the plane of the President of Bolivia, search it. And when, after that, the Latin American countries make claims, they have nothing to justify. But they cannot say that they did this simply because they are strong and no one gives them a decree.
                  Or another good example. Israel. For some reason many of them are considered bold. But they are not impudent, they are the strongest militarily in their region and they secured the support of the United States. All. They act as they see fit. They attack Syria and know that there will be nothing for them.
                  All these human rights, the UN Security Council authorizing the invasion of somewhere, are all nonsense for idealists who sincerely believe in equality. And all the strong countries still do what they see fit. With or without the consent of the UN Security Council. And even Russia is no exception. It has always been so and it will be so.
                  I emphasize for you separately that this is not only about military pressure. The United States is crushing not only by force of arms, but by all available means. Politically, economically and so on. Biden heartily spoke with the President of Ecuador, described to him all the economic consequences for his country, if he accepts Snowden and he changes his mind. Nobody would attack Ecuador because of Snowden? Of course not.
                  1. SPACE
                    SPACE 15 July 2013 21: 01 New
                    0
                    Quote: RA77
                    To begin with, I do not think that the United States is a follower of the gangster Al Capone, as you originally wrote. I do not consider that they follow this his phrase. I’m even sure that many who depend on decisions in the USA do not know what he said!

                    Well, why do you take my words so literally, it was just a comparison, the "method of analogies", just drew a parallel, you will not deny the fact that the methods are clearly similar, the State Department has a bandit robbery committed by them in Yugoslavia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, for the sake of their purely mercantile interests, that they did good there for the good of all mankind, this is nonsense for idealists. Also, Al Capone, how many he sent to the next world, for personal gain, and who borrowed from whom is not important. So to assert that the State Department officials personally read or not, the biography of the bandit, and even more so follow it, I did not assert. You also teach me that coercion can be not only forceful in nature, I explain for you, by a pistol I meant any kind of coercion, from a pistol to a temple, to the threat of dismissal, etc., this does not change the essence.
                    Quote: RA77
                    The actions of the Americans are conditioned by the old law of the world. There is nothing to invent new. They act by the right of the strong.
                    We are all people born originally not equal. Someone is stronger, and someone is weaker. He who is stronger will always infringe on the weak. Because equality, equal division can only be between approximately equal in strength. And if someone is stronger, then he will always take more. Why should he be content with as much as the weaker? .....

                    Your ideology is clear, it’s like the life of animals in a wild forest, the strong one takes away or eats the weak, wild animals having only instinct are forced to follow this law of the jungle, just like the USA, Israel and the West, therefore, making a conclusion from your words, they also turn out to be wild animals. But normal people and animals are distinguished by the presence of reason and actions in people have a higher motivation than to destroy their own kind, to select, force and use the advantages of birthright. Do you relate to your younger brothers or to your friends? Are you ready to take a slice of bread from the weak, even if he is someone else's?
                    You see, threatening a person and forcing you to do something by force, do not expect joy from him, he will try to avoid a threatening situation by any means and sooner or later he will answer you the same. But it’s wise and mutually beneficial to negotiate with a person who will make him your ally for many years and allow you not to be afraid of a dark night on the corner. I use force against the weak, be prepared that at one fine moment it will be applied to you and do not wait for mercy. Russia differs from other countries in its more peaceful, reasonable and non-conflict nature, perhaps this is why it got such territory and maybe this is why predators have a small habitat, but even hunting in their possessions, they fear and attack only the weak and angle.
                    Z.Y. The wild west needs strength to lead a robber lifestyle, to force, to force to yield, to obtain economic and other advantages. But RUSSIA has the power to stop these, that is, the strength of Russia's weapons today stands on the experience of this world. If there are wild animals in the forest, a person needs to have a gun. You are right in one thing, alas, you cannot agree with animals ...
        3. smile
          smile 14 July 2013 13: 05 New
          0
          SPACE
          I slightly doubt that any words in international politics have any meaning ... the potential - economic, military, political, as well as how consistent your policy is - can you rely on you ... everything else Fleur ... and Serge 68 68 are perfectly right in quoting a Latin proverb.
          1. SPACE
            SPACE 14 July 2013 22: 46 New
            +1
            "Rem verba sequentur". "In the beginning, there was a word ..." and then a deed. That's the point, the ability to come to an agreement in your favor, without going over the edge ..! Politics is the art of the possible, where, under equal conditions, money, the army, the ability to persuade becomes an advantage.
            Quote: smile
            Serge 68 68 is right to quote the Latin proverb.

            Quote: serge-68-68
            Other things being equal: Oderint, dum metuant

            This is what they said in Rome in relation to enemies and criminals, do you propose everyone to be considered such? Power cannot be held for long.
      3. smile
        smile 14 July 2013 12: 56 New
        0
        serge-68-68
        Greetings! Here you are absolutely right. How nice to agree with you, and not bark, and less money to spend ... :))))
        1. serge-68-68
          serge-68-68 14 July 2013 16: 03 New
          +2
          We actually have much more common ground than you probably thought. So the discussion is correct in order to discuss and reach consensus. But the furious minus on this forum is strange to me unusual - in circles interested in cold steel, for example, as a rule, they do not minus even in the heat of a dispute - and disputes here are much tougher, to be honest.
          1. smile
            smile 14 July 2013 16: 24 New
            +1
            serge-68-68
            Maybe. The passions are as follows. probably because politics and history are often discussed here, as its integral part. And when it comes to the fate of the motherland, what kind of correctness is there ... :))) And don’t be angry with me for pathetics, I just said directly, as it is...:)))
            And on the sites of fans of edged weapons, I probably would hardly write comments, and not because I do not understand, I just love to read more. Well, here we have a small hotbed of psychological warfare, and I do not consider myself entitled to ignore it. Well. and entered into our tradition - "Goodbye" ... :))))) Forgive me if I was not entirely correct.
            1. serge-68-68
              serge-68-68 14 July 2013 16: 41 New
              +1
              Good luck :) I think, see you soon! :)
              1. smile
                smile 14 July 2013 23: 27 New
                0
                serge-68-68
                Durrrrak himself! :)))) Communication was a pleasure .... :))))
          2. sevtrash
            sevtrash 14 July 2013 17: 02 New
            +1
            Quote: serge-68-68
            circles interested in edged weapons, for example, as a rule, they don’t even minus in the heat of a dispute - and our disputes are much tougher, to be honest

            Well, everyone understands politics, so they immediately react, then they think, if they think. And indeed your opinion - it is always correct, holy and infallible.
    2. nycsson
      nycsson 14 July 2013 12: 28 New
      +3
      Quote: SPACE
      Russia has always been, is and will be the real center of power!

      Was-It is indisputable when the USSR was called!
      There isis all your stormy fantasies!
      Will-This will depend on many factors.
      Quote: SPACE
      Russia had power even during the Gobachev-Yeltsin era, and even more so now under Putin.

      Then our army was 2 or 3 million, 22000 tanks alone. And now 750 thousand, without a mobilization reserve, with the service life of draftees in 1 year! What power are we talking about?
      1. SPACE
        SPACE 14 July 2013 22: 51 New
        0
        Quote: nycsson
        What power are we talking about?

        ABOUT SNF.
  3. krasin
    krasin 14 July 2013 09: 08 New
    +2
    Curious how it all ends.


    Pole and stop. Where do they go !!!!!!
  4. Ivan.
    Ivan. 14 July 2013 11: 30 New
    +3
    Already stated, almost imperceptibly.
    Last year, right after his election, Putin refused to pay a visit to Obama, and the meeting in the Oval Office crashed, crushing those who planned it under him.

    After being elected, the Chancellor of Germany is obliged to appear on the carpet to receive a label for "reign", I am not specifically interested, but I think that from most large countries leaders do this, and first of all occupied countries: Germany, Japan ...
  5. 755962
    755962 14 July 2013 11: 54 New
    13
    but the reaction of Obama, who said that he would call President Putin about this, is unexpected and only says that The US has no other way to pressure Russia.
    1. nycsson
      nycsson 14 July 2013 12: 35 New
      +2
      Quote: 755962
      that the US does not have any other means of pressure on Russia.

      B.d. of mare siva! How far must one be near to say such a thing !? Here the author clearly went too far! For this alone, you can put the article in bold minus.
  6. nycsson
    nycsson 14 July 2013 12: 11 New
    +3
    Quote: serge-68-68
    The situation with Snowden is very revealing.

    Quote: serge-68-68
    In general, if Putin gives asylum to Snowden, he will declare himself as a REAL political player. If it can withstand the subsequent pressure, then Russia could very well become a REAL center of power. Curious how it all ends.

    Let's see how it all ends! The Foreign Ministry said that he needs to contact the FMS, and this is a stick in the wheel. If they had made a political decision, he wouldn’t have to go anywhere! A concrete example of Gerard Depardieu. request
    1. Ivan.
      Ivan. 14 July 2013 13: 51 New
      +1
      Quote: nycsson
      The Foreign Ministry said that he needs to contact the FMS, and this is a stick in the wheel. If they had made a political decision, he wouldn’t have to go anywhere! Case study Gerard Depardieu

      They pull the rubber and do the right thing, time is working for us, and making a decision is like going out of the trench into an attack - you first need to prepare for it, and you need to probe for Snowden's lice and let the "partners" use all the trump cards ...
  7. antidote
    antidote 14 July 2013 14: 01 New
    +2
    Well, if Venezuela is written in pseudo-states, then all of Latin America, along with Brazil and Argentina, can be written there too. the author clearly needs to get acquainted with political geography, she went through it at school.
    1. serge-68-68
      serge-68-68 14 July 2013 18: 01 New
      0
      You read something more serious than a school course in geography - it will come in handy. You will not mix Bolivia, Venezuela and Nicaragua with Brazil and Argentina or "with all of Latin America ... :)
  8. 755962
    755962 14 July 2013 14: 12 New
    0
    Snowden's "mouthpiece" tells where he keeps his secret documents: a minute will be enough to destroy the USA

    Snowden's "mouthpiece", the journalist who first published the secret documents of the ex-CIA officer about electronic surveillance of Americans, claims that he knows the "main secret" of US intelligence, and that he only needs a minute to destroy the United States. The Guardian employee Glenn Greenwald said this in an interview with the Argentine newspaper La Nacion. Fears of surveillance by at least one president prompted a complete move away from email. Earlier, the media reported that they limit electronics in the Russian FSO: they buy typewriters there.

    Greenwald said the American government should pray daily that nothing will happen to Snowden. Otherwise, the entire amount of classified data will be made public, and this scenario will be "worse than a nightmare." The journalist claims that Snowden keeps classified materials in network storages around the world.


    http://www.newsru.com/world/14jul2013/snowden.html
  9. Very old
    Very old 14 July 2013 14: 40 New
    +5
    serge-68-68: 2. ALL human rights defenders are silent in a rag. Not all. There is such an Alekseeva-she is a member of the Helsinki group. I quote: Putin must pass Snowden to the United States, because he seriously damaged his country's security. Oops!
    1. BARKAS
      BARKAS 14 July 2013 14: 53 New
      +4
      Quote: Very old
      .There is such Alekseeva-she is a member of the Helsinki group. I quote: Putin must pass Snowden to the United States, because he seriously damaged his country's security. Oops!

      If she had only said that alright, in the early days of Snowden’s appearance in Russia, she said that it wasn’t necessary to give it away, as there is no extradition agreement now, apparently the mongrel is getting a kick from the owner trying to rehabilitate!
  10. urganov
    urganov 14 July 2013 18: 21 New
    0
    On the one hand, for a comment plus, and when you read "(except for a couple of pseudo-states), you start thinking: what did the author of the comment want to say?
    And further: it turns out that, depending on the official position of Russia on Snowden, does something depend?
    And without this position:
    Quote: serge-68-68
    In general, if Putin gives asylum to Snowden, he will declare himself as a REAL political player. If it can withstand the subsequent pressure, then Russia could very well become a REAL center of power.

    XNUMX% political dysfunction of the "State Department" demonstrated in the media
    IMHO (as they say, try to refute .....)
  11. Apologet insane
    Apologet insane 14 July 2013 18: 26 New
    +1
    I am in opposition to the real government of the Russian Federation and its current political system. I can not stand EdRo, I do not trust Putin and his team, and I also hate fanatical patriots for whom the Tsar is sinless.

    However, in this case, Putin and his team really merge the United States and its local human rights puppets in the situation with Snowden, and not only that. The same Assange is a vivid example of a politically persecuted citizen. I hope those who are fan of all sorts of hysterical girls from Ekhi Moskva will notice that the white-tape human rights activists somehow do not even try to snooze and yap something about the rights of those who molested their sponsors from the rectal cover. And they will more carefully choose with whom the next time they come to the rally, and who to throw their eggs right away so as not to discredit themselves and their ideas.
  12. HF
    HF 15 July 2013 00: 19 New
    0
    I am sure that everything will lead to the creation of a REAL CENTER FORCE! angry
  • Averias
    Averias 14 July 2013 07: 36 New
    +4
    The longer the situation with Snowden drags on, the more doubts plague. Basically, what was Snowden's super secret? Nothing, because it has long been known that all over the world there is a whole network of stations that intercept and decrypt electronic data. This is the domain of the NSA, they have been listening to the whole world for a long time. And the intelligence agencies of any developed countries - too. In the age of development of IT technologies, you need to be an idiot not to use it. For example: "Social Networks" is a British military project. Or here's another example: A bank card with a chip is an excellent beacon for tracking from a satellite. In the US (a long time ago), a whole scandal erupted over this. As they say - the costs of high technologies.
    Therefore, the incident with Snowden suggests an idea - is this not a fake fighter for the truth? Isn't this another "knight's move" of the CIA and the State Department? After all, whatever one may say, he flew to us (no matter how he said that he was in transit in Russia). And the rest of the countries refused it. At first I thought that he knew something (trump cards in the sleeve, so to speak), but it turned out that he only knows what other people guess. Otherwise he would have been taken over long ago. And he is in no hurry to leave us. One gets the impression that through the efforts of the United States, he (Snowden) was specially "squeezed" from other countries to Russia.
    1. Averias
      Averias 14 July 2013 07: 57 New
      +5
      Looks like they thought to make a grandiose scandal, they thought that we would rush to provide shelter to Snowden. Bummer came out, the State Department is very much puzzled by our reaction. And now they have no idea what to do with all this. There is another option: Snowden, he messed up something there, so he dumped. And he arranged "revelations" so that he could give weight to himself, or that they would not soak him somewhere in the alley. It all came to naught too quickly. But at first, the State Department did not threaten the countries that offered Snowden asylum, and then fell silent. Oh, everything is not clean here, or rather, the United States screwed up once again.
      1. RA77
        RA77 14 July 2013 10: 41 New
        -6
        Everything that you wrote above is just nonsense! Excuse me.
        Some speculation based on speculation.
      2. MIKHAN
        MIKHAN 14 July 2013 11: 40 New
        0
        Quote: Averias
        Looks like they thought to make a grandiose scandal, they thought that we would rush to provide shelter to Snowden. Bummer came out, the State Department is very much puzzled by our reaction. And now they have no idea what to do with all this. There is another option: Snowden, he messed up something there, so he dumped. And he arranged "revelations" so that he could give weight to himself, or that they would not soak him somewhere in the alley. It all came to naught too quickly. But at first, the State Department did not threaten the countries that offered Snowden asylum, and then fell silent. Oh, everything is not clean here, or rather, the United States screwed up once again.

        I agree !! Everything is muddy here .. The concrete practice was .. we didn’t peck .. And the most interesting Snowden gathered our human rights activists shouted to scream ... they are silent and sad such .. Now he is directly asking for asylum from Russia ... I wouldn’t gave let him sit .. In FIG we need it .. The whole story is muddy ... heh heh .. Snowden this bait was supposedly take and then the hysteria for the whole world Russia is so secular ... etc .. sanctions .. FIG received !!!
    2. RA77
      RA77 14 July 2013 10: 34 New
      +2
      Quote: Averias
      In fact, what was so secret about Snowden?

      Many things. He who has ears, let him hear.
    3. Ivan.
      Ivan. 14 July 2013 11: 49 New
      +1
      Quote: Averias
      What is so secret about Snowden? Nothing, because it has long been known that there is a whole network of stations around the world that intercept and decrypt electronic data. This is the patrimony of the NSA, they have long listened to the whole world.

      I haven't told you anything yet, but if you give details (programs, viruses, methods, goals, names of specialists (details), codes, statistics, etc.), then it will be really interesting! And Russia (Putin or the special services) really organized it in an interesting way. Snowden is as if in the "air" on neutral territory, as if in Russia and there is no and you can safely listen to howling from across the ocean and even "click on the nose" about their illegal extradition requests ...
    4. nycsson
      nycsson 14 July 2013 12: 50 New
      +1
      Quote: Averias
      Isn't this another "knight's move" of the CIA and the State Department?

      Most likely it is! It is possible that he fell on our heads, like thunder from a clear sky. After all, US intelligence agencies knew that he was in Hong Kong. And they just released it in Russia like that. That's just funny. The moral of the fable is that Snowden is a setup and it will hit the president’s rating when it is handed over to the USA. The purpose of the US special services is to show the weakness of Russia or the activation of any sanctions against our country.
      Quote: Averias
      After all, whatever one may say, he flew to us (no matter how he said that he was in transit in Russia).

      A thought flashed. If this was the work of our special services, then they would have done it much finer and more elegant! He would have been taken to Russia quietly and without noise. And in our case, noise for the whole world! What is the purpose? That is the question! hi
  • askort154
    askort154 14 July 2013 07: 43 New
    15
    The judoka cannot reach the face of a basketball player, but he hits the balls very painfully!
  • VkadimirEfimov1942
    VkadimirEfimov1942 14 July 2013 08: 08 New
    +9
    It seems to me that the moment of truth is coming. The fact that the "allies" of the United States only meant, but unconditionally obeyed the dictates of the "elder brother" and thanks to the young prodigy, the masks from the main terrorist and aggressor were dropped. More and more countries are leaving under the influence of the Anglo-Saxons, whose main and final goal should be the supremacy and dictate of the nation of the English language. In the spring of 1946, former British Prime Minister Churchill, speaking in the United States (Missouri, Fulton College), announced a program to create a "fraternal association of English-speaking peoples" (the creation of a military alliance of the Anglo-Saxon race), which would "lead" the whole world. This is not only NATO is the unconditional subordination of other countries through military and economic pressure. Previously, the USSR was a deterrent. after the collapse of which the Anglo-Saxons began a more intense offensive of their dictate. The established regimes of some countries have been destroyed, and instead came decline, anarchy and poverty-power "democracy" did not bring anything good. Opposition is increasing not only from Latin America. Another pole is emerging, and now many independent countries are waiting for what Russia will say. Russia, since ancient Russia, has always stood on the side of the oppressed peoples and this is expected of her now.
    1. RA77
      RA77 14 July 2013 10: 52 New
      +1
      I agree in many ways, yes. The only thing is that no one is leaving under the influence of the USA and Co. For example, which countries do you mean, if so? Many began to understand who they really are, but things have not come to the point out of their influence (if at all possible).
  • Igor39
    Igor39 14 July 2013 08: 15 New
    +4
    Putin and his team beat the West with a big score, like amateurs.
    1. RA77
      RA77 14 July 2013 11: 00 New
      +1
      It seems to me largely due to the fact that there are no politicians like Putin. As they wrote here: "The West needs its own Putin!" And there is. Obama, in my opinion, is the weakest of all recent US presidents. The same Bush Jr. was a cowboy, and Obama ...
  • treskoed
    treskoed 14 July 2013 08: 20 New
    10
    Quote: bomg.77
    Quote: serge-68-68
    In general, if Putin gives asylum to Snowden, he will declare himself as a REAL political player
    In my opinion, he is now one real politician, and has long declared himself. Who of all politicians can you put on a par with him at the moment? Holland? Cameron? Obama? Or Merkel, by the way, after Putin, she is the most real.

    Still inside the country with a high-ranking thief after !!!
    1. Russ69
      Russ69 14 July 2013 09: 07 New
      +6
      Quote: treskoed
      Still inside the country with a high-ranking thief after !!!

      That's for sure, his rigidity in foreign policy, and to transfer it to the domestic one, where it would be necessary and there would be no price.
    2. bomg.77
      bomg.77 14 July 2013 10: 11 New
      +3
      Quote: treskoed
      Still inside the country with a high-ranking thief after !!!
      I am for it all. To reduce corruption, we need time, executions, and persecution using the persuasion method will not work. In the current situation, this cannot be done without reputational losses, but in recent months many have been planted and movement in this direction is underway, and as one local forum member says after the Olympics, they will take on the full program.
  • asanri
    asanri 14 July 2013 08: 41 New
    +1
    The article is probably literate from a political point of view, but absolutely illiterate in relation to the Russian language.
  • kind
    kind 14 July 2013 08: 45 New
    +4
    until rotten teeth like McCain are pulled out of a political American mouth

    I think he's paranoid this possessed McCain.
    1. Russ69
      Russ69 14 July 2013 09: 10 New
      +4
      Quote: Good
      I think he's paranoid this possessed McCain.

      Somehow VVP podkakol him, saying: "That four years spent in the pit of Vietnam, anyone will be made mentally abnormal." In general, something like that.
    2. Ivan.
      Ivan. 14 July 2013 11: 53 New
      +2
      Quote: Good
      I think he's paranoid this possessed McCain.

      Come on - just Zhirik number 2.
      1. smile
        smile 14 July 2013 13: 15 New
        +1
        Ivan.
        No-no-no, our Zhirik will be funnier :)))
        But seriously, unfortunately, McCain has more weight than Zhirik ... alas.
  • individual
    individual 14 July 2013 09: 04 New
    +1
    At official meetings with the United States, Russia should be reminded of the traitors of Russia warmed up in the United States: Kalugin, Gordievsky and other Poteyevs.
    Snowden's problem will be removed.
  • olviko
    olviko 14 July 2013 09: 18 New
    +9
    A party called Snowden is in full swing and Putin is leading it masterfully. The "empire of good" and the entire West as a whole are outplaying in its own field. The West's favorite club - democracy, human rights, freedom of speech, what they constantly harass Russia, suddenly turned out to have two ends. Supporting the cannibals in Syria, which Putin accused the West of on the G-8, Snowden's collective obstruction, a man fighting for their own freedom words, the interception of Morales' plane is generally a blatant case. The West is really in complete shit. Snowden is not extradited to the United States on the grounds that they face the death penalty there. As you guys are not yet democratic enough, you cannot be entrusted with human life. He put human rights defenders in an interesting position - to blame the West, if you don't receive grants, keep silent - you discredit yourself as a human rights defender. In short, well done Volodya, keep it up.
  • Enot-poloskun
    Enot-poloskun 14 July 2013 09: 44 New
    +2
    Stop yielding to the USA!
    Stop going to the states for a reason!

    Snowden must be accepted. Obama - show cookies without butter.


    How many states have made us nasty things in international politics: from the shelf to Libya, from NATO's eastward movement to supporting drug trafficking in Afghanistan!

    Let's say a resolute "no" to world imperialism and Anglo-Saxon plutocracy!

    Essentially: there are practically no relations with the United States, which were worth cherishing. Look at commodity-money relations, at their volume. Remember how much fuss there was with the Jackson-Broom amendment, which they now want to return under the guise of the "Magnitsky list" ...

    So there is not much to risk. We are not Taliban, not Saddam, and not Gaddafi. We are Russia, which - (I will quote from the Yekaterinburg drunkard) - "has a full arsenal of nuclear weapons" (c).

    PS And you also need to get out of all the arms reduction agreements concluded with the United States. Especially on medium-range missiles.
    1. itkul
      itkul 14 July 2013 14: 02 New
      +2
      Quote: Enot-poloskun
      So there’s nothing much to risk.


      We, ordinary citizens of Russia really have nothing to risk, but you forget about PZHIVchiks and representatives of other parties, they have something to lose, all their accounts, real estate and children, have long been abroad, and they also see their future there
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 14 July 2013 09: 47 New
    +2
    Quote: Good
    until rotten teeth like McCain are pulled out of a political American mouth

    I think he's paranoid this possessed McCain.

    His Russian missile shellfish in Vietnam just ... hehe
  • PValery53
    PValery53 14 July 2013 10: 05 New
    +6
    The author will not deny the quality of political analysis, the paradox of thinking, aphorism and wit in the presentation of the material, and certainly, in the strict promotion of Russia's interests. Well done !
  • omsbon
    omsbon 14 July 2013 10: 06 New
    +2
    In the current situation with Snowden, the striped "beacons" of the struggle for democracy can really only do one thing, punish their law-defenders, who feed from their hands.
    1. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 14 July 2013 10: 22 New
      +4
      Quote: omsbon
      In the current situation with Snowden, the striped "beacons" of the struggle for democracy can really only do one thing, punish their law-defenders, who feed from their hands.

      I agree to all 100 !! Notice at the meeting with our human rights defenders in Sheremetyevo all such quiet sad .. no longer yelling and screaming at the whole world .. ha ha ha .. (broke them all ..) clearly worked out !!! The Western "double standard" was shown throughout beauty .. although when the enemy is exposed he becomes even more dangerous ...
  • buzuke
    buzuke 14 July 2013 10: 34 New
    +2
    [quote] But for the United States, any of its foreign policy or military plans are untouchable things for other countries. In any case, it used to be that way. [/ Quoи
    here we see a typical example of inertia of perception, and, accordingly, of decision making. states simply do not see changes in the global alignment. The main feature, in my opinion, is that it is not the United States that is weakening, but other countries are growing stronger, new points of strength, new poles are emerging. and amers, with their characteristic centropupism, look at the world through the prism of their internal situation. and in it, the intra-American situation, it seems there are no large-scale disasters. and they don’t understand what other countries are increasingly putting on them, so fashionable.
  • dmitrich
    dmitrich 14 July 2013 10: 48 New
    +3
    Good article, big plus.
  • slvevg
    slvevg 14 July 2013 11: 15 New
    0
    However, all this will continue for some time until rotten teeth like McCain, who stinks the whole world, are pulled out of the political American mouth

    From tenderness, I shed a tear !!! crying
    1. dmitrich
      dmitrich 14 July 2013 13: 02 New
      -1
      and you are only forced to destroy tanks, nor any emotion.
      1. slvevg
        slvevg 14 July 2013 14: 12 New
        0
        and you are only forced to destroy tanks, nor any emotion.

        Perhaps you did not understand me, I meant that I fully support the words of the author and sincerely rejoice at such statements addressed to the "hawks"! Next time I will interpret my thought in more detail. hi
        Meaning of the word Tenderness according to Ozhegov:
        Affection - A tender feeling aroused by something touching
        1. Philemon
          Philemon 14 July 2013 17: 02 New
          0
          I respect intelligent people with a refined sense of humor !!! laughing
  • firefox090
    firefox090 14 July 2013 11: 24 New
    -4
    After the Great Patriotic War, the Russians understand the value of the allies well and have a bad attitude to the fact that they are being killed.


    That is yes. Yugoslavs applaud!
  • Imigrantt
    Imigrantt 14 July 2013 11: 41 New
    +4
    I’m not a politician, but I know one thing: in politics as in sports, as in business, flapping your ears and making a poorly thought out move is more expensive for yourself! At the GDP and his team of analysts, every step is forgiven and we must not forget that the BB fighter is a master of sports, and the struggle itself is a strategy (I know firsthand, such a one). And going out on the carpet you should think only of a beautiful - uncompromising victory, but not for a second to forget that the opponent also came out for this! And you need to replay it i.e. change mind!!! Otherwise, do not stand and twitch! VV a handsome man carries out a gyakuokurieri (strangling from the side when the opponent is on the cramp) and gently enhances the grip !!! With too many Yankees lately allowed themselves! Not all cattle are carnival !!! negative
  • Tolik.Skiff.
    Tolik.Skiff. 14 July 2013 11: 51 New
    +1
    The article is very good! I hope the president of "Resident Evil" will translate it ..! laughing(THEY LEAD ALL FOR FOLLOWING ..!) laughing
  • wax
    wax 14 July 2013 11: 53 New
    +1
    America continues to play the fool while the Russian Federation began to play preference. The hard work of Condoleezza and Clinton gives its terry fruits. Not to see America Snowden from Russia, as their ears. With God! And let the summit be torn down, if they want, by the States.
  • Zomanus
    Zomanus 14 July 2013 12: 11 New
    +3
    Oh, if after Putin comes a rag like Medvedev, they will mercilessly tear us ...
  • Ezhaak
    Ezhaak 14 July 2013 12: 12 New
    +3
    The US staged a bloodbath in South Ossetia, through its lunatic bobik

    And only for this phrase a dozen pluses would be, but, alas, only one.
    And there are many such bobiks. Mishiko is not the only one.
    American political scientists say that Russia is systematically hindering US national interests,

    And immediately the question begs. And these political scientists are not of those Ashkenazi who emigrated from Europe and Russia at the beginning of the last century ???
  • Smersh
    Smersh 14 July 2013 12: 36 New
    +2
    Experience in the special services gave Putin a lot, he plans everything to the smallest detail and the redeo is wrong
    1. Master Taiga
      Master Taiga 14 July 2013 12: 47 New
      +1
      Perhaps this is true
  • fzr1000
    fzr1000 14 July 2013 14: 16 New
    +1
    “Snowden has enough information to do more serious damage to the American government in a single minute than anyone could have done before,” Mr. Greenwald said.


    According to the journalist, the ex-CIA officer has information about the work of programs that allow US intelligence agencies to access electronic information of citizens, and specially stored this data in network storages around the world.

    “The US government should pray daily that nothing happens to Snowden, otherwise the entire amount of data will be released, and for the United States it will be worse than a nightmare,” Glenn Greenwald added.
    1. Tolik.Skiff.
      Tolik.Skiff. 14 July 2013 15: 02 New
      +1
      Yes, there will be nothing !!! Bullshit. Just bullshit ... You might think that our special services go to nurseries and nipples ... Snowden revealed a fucking secret !!! laughing He just voiced it ... crying For some reason, such a feeling about the screened "Cossack" does not leave me ... And if this is just a swindle of the state department? .. hi
  • kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 14 July 2013 14: 59 New
    0
    Something makes you doubt the good intentions of this American Penkovsky. Well, you can harm the US-harm and do not talk. This is not casual, look for someone who is profitable and who actually pulls the rope. It painfully resembles the fuss of all kinds of 300 clubs, all kinds of freemasons there, something suggests that this is only the beginning of a big game and most likely directed against Russia. that the GDP did not lead, did not play too much and stopped in time.
  • Yurban
    Yurban 14 July 2013 15: 01 New
    +1
    Firstly, Putin is raising Russia's authority on the world stage, and it is not very easy, but it is very noticeable, and this, of course, does not suit the West and America, but some have thought about it. Secondly, domestic politics is also very complicated and sensitive, it’s also impossible to act on it (chopping it with an ax), times have changed, but work is being done and this is visible, but I believe that there will also be acceleration in this area after the Olympics. Therefore, Putin as a politician is a strong person, with his own analytical center, as long as everything goes as it should, this is my opinion. And with Snowden, of course, I wonder how this kitchen will end, it’s also very interesting to me.
  • bear
    bear 14 July 2013 15: 21 New
    0
    In my opinion, Snowden did not tell anything new.
    And thank God our specialists at the GRU are cool, they don’t click their mouths, they themselves can listen to who they want.
  • SlavaP
    SlavaP 14 July 2013 15: 23 New
    +1
    I wonder what you say.
    And as for America, the old intellectual and political elite (Brzezinski, Kissinger) is gradually going into circulation, but they did not bother to prepare a new one. Most likely, after 91 they decided that the game was played and there was no need to strain. Badly mistaken.
  • Next
    Next 14 July 2013 15: 51 New
    +2
    Putin is a skilled and long-standing politician. I think he understands that the situation with Snowden is a gift. He will squeeze the most out of this story and try to show the US European vassals that the Russian Federation can talk to the states the way they (the EU) have not dared .
    1. itkul
      itkul 14 July 2013 16: 25 New
      +1
      Quote: Proximo
      I think he understands that the situation with Snowden is a gift.


      I think you are mistaken, this is a great setup for Putin, you can’t give it back, it will lose face and respect in Russia, and you don’t want to give up and hurt your American partners and friends either. Here he is yelling like a louse on a comb
  • regsSSSR
    regsSSSR 14 July 2013 16: 09 New
    0
    in general, amers are very noticeable and therefore admit blunders after blunders in persistent attempts to return their fined agent home, thereby allowing Putin to gain political points in world politics in a skillful game! and the forcible landing on board number 1 of Bolivia is a prime example! It’s interesting at all that the ubiquitous eye of Amers apparently does not extend to the capsule hotel of the Sheremetyevsk basements and to look after its anticipations was apparently not even in the state of ubiquitous agents of the special services of the states, which in itself also adds pluses to our cart)) they are all and all powerful in practice)

    Quote: serge-68-68
    REAL politics is judged by REAL deeds. If it were not for his "bowling" in front of the Yankees: "If he wants to stay here, there is one condition: he must stop his work aimed at harming our American partners, no matter how strange it sounds from my lips," I would agreed. But so - alas. And the REAL politician so far is Obama, why is indicated above.

    Quote: serge-68-68
    Other things being equal: Oderint, dum metuant :)


    Yes, this statement also saddened and puzzled me ((I, too, started to think about snowdening all the same they want to merge Putin because there really aren’t any real levers of pressure on Amers! (well, by the way, I must say that Amer’s leverage is also almost exhausted well or it’s been completely reduced) but you came up with a cunning fox and you could get out just simply by taking time letting Snowden merge all the info and carefully think about his further fate in the course of events, calming the overwhelming ego of amers as he could and the fish could eat and ...
    Well, yes, plus the water has earned it is now very interesting how it all ends because indeed it’s possible to merge it right now with everything that has already been done, it simply will not be received, I put it this way!
  • sevtrash
    sevtrash 14 July 2013 17: 19 New
    0
    How best to deal with Snowden - analysis is nowhere to be seen. To enter into a conflict with the United States for his sake is such a disproportionate force, but Snowden did not say anything fundamentally new, his value for Russia is doubtful. To give the USA back - so the USA and the EEC will still spit in the direction of Russia, after all, the first enemy, it’s unrealistic to have the right thing for it, they cheated after they gave East Germany and still cheated. And the next howl of paid human rights activists who are silent now, but if they give Snowden back, they will howl, Russia will be to blame. In general, a stalemate. It seems that the waiting policy is now the best.
    1. olviko
      olviko 14 July 2013 18: 05 New
      0
      How Russia deals with Snowden depends entirely on how valuable information he has for us. I don’t think that he laid it out just like that. No matter how idealistic he is - a romantic, a human rights activist, as some media try to present him, I think that nothing human, including practicality and an elementary sense of preservation, is for him not alien. Therefore, we can assume that he left the sweetest for dessert. And our secret services, roughly speaking, are aware of this. Otherwise, if the guy has nothing for his soul, then from this case they will simply squeeze out all the political, image dividends, which is happening now, well, and then, as God willing. If we take the story, then different things happened to such people, I would not want to think about bad things.
      1. sevtrash
        sevtrash 14 July 2013 19: 52 New
        0
        I don't think he has any super information. The problem for the United States and the EEC is that they position themselves as the first defenders of freedom of everything and everywhere, and here Snowden tells how they track, view, etc. Renome suffers. But this is news only for the "public", the heads of state, security officials, some parliamentarians know and knew all this. Do you think Putin did not have information about how the United States and the EEC countries are listening? If not, then all the security forces should be kicked out. Not to mention the fact that they are probably doing the same in Russia. So, as Putin said, there is little sense from Snowden. For Russia, he is a problem, because something needs to be done with him. And for the United States and the EEC, everything is worse, of course - after all, the first fighters for freedom and human rights throughout the world.
  • d_trader
    14 July 2013 19: 05 New
    +2
    Not so long ago, just that last fall in Russia a certain Patrick Downey asked for political asylum. Former U.S. Army Marine Downey worked as an employee of the U.S. Embassy, ​​but says he was disappointed in the civil service, after which he got a job as a private teacher of English to the Georgian oligarch Bidzina Ivanishvili and went to live in Tbilisi. It was then that documents fell into the hands of Downey, which laid the foundation for big problems in the life of an American.

    The papers confirmed funding by the states of anti-Russian activity of Ivanishvili. A document dated 2007 indicated that the World Bank for Reconstruction and Development, of which the United States owns 60 percent, transferred $ 12 million to the bank of Ivanishvili. The purpose of the transfer: to develop the structure. A year later, in August 2008, Georgia sent troops to South Ossetia and, according to Downey, again, not without the participation of American capital - including the money that was transferred to the bank of Ivanishvili. (Ivanishvili interesting bird do not find dear? winked )
    Downey, returning to the United States, decided to make public the information that he became aware of, but faced with powerful opposition. The press flatly refused to publish sensational materials. As a result, the government became aware of the former marine, he received the nickname Trouble Man (man-problem) and the close attention of the American intelligence services, which, according to Downey, tried to neutralize him.

    “I began to feel that it was simply dangerous for me to be in the USA,” says Downey. - All the documents that I posted on the Network were deleted, the videos on YouTube were blocked and they began to threaten me. Threats also came from the Georgian side, which demanded to shut up.

    The "problem man" tried to obtain political asylum in Ireland, but the country's authorities reacted aggressively to Downey's presence on their territory, and the American went to jail, after which he was expelled from the state. In New York, Patrick left a family - parents and a sister, expecting a child. In a foreign country, which Downey asks to be allowed to call home, they have not yet responded to requests. On September 21, the American applied to the Immigration Service for political asylum. Despite the fact that Russia has not yet agreed to provide assistance, Downey says he feels support without official documents with round stamps. With the help of Russians, the text of an appeal to President Vladimir Putin was actively disseminated on the Internet: "Patrick has lost the support and protection of the US foreign policy services in third countries, all appeals to these bodies about the violation of his civil rights and freedoms have been left unanswered. The United States of America was left unprotected. own citizen who disagrees with US policy, "the appeal says. - Downey applied to the Moscow Migration Office for political asylum. I ask you to pay attention to the fate of Patrick Downey and to assist in the consideration of his application as soon as possible "....
    Yesterday I spent an hour trying to get at least some information about the future fate of the American, but I did not find anything. Generally. The man seemed to be gone. Or he was quietly discreetly striped or he lives in Russia and everything is fine with him. Although the third option is not excluded ... In any case, the Internet has been cleaned. IMHO.
  • Darth Revan
    Darth Revan 14 July 2013 19: 14 New
    0
    This guy - Snowden - did not say anything new, everyone has long known that the amers are listening to everyone. In general, he personally seems suspicious to me. I would like to be mistaken, but everything related to the USA is suspicious.
  • serge-68-68
    serge-68-68 14 July 2013 20: 17 New
    0
    Lovers to celebrate - the situation is such that Snowden can not be given.
  • Andrey44
    Andrey44 14 July 2013 21: 10 New
    0
    How amazing they behave - they do not conduct Senate investigations into revelations within their "free" country, shut their mouths to their "satellite allies", threaten the whole world. This policy of double standards should only cause anger and rejection.
    PS That's because I wanted to write maliciously, but here we have the Universiade.