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Falkland war. Act on Option "B"!

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Falkland war. Act on Option "B"!



History does not know the subjunctive mood - the events that have occurred are firmly imprinted in the memory and give a very specific historical result.

Despite the cruel losses, Her Majesty’s fleet broke through to the Falkland Islands, returning distant lands to the jurisdiction of the British crown. The old lion showed the whole world that he still had fangs.
Argentina suffered a deafening defeat, which was the last blow for the government of Leopoldo Galtieri. The heightened crisis and mass discontent with the outcome of the “small victorious war” led to drastic political transformations inside Argentina.

Well, politics is a fickle thing, and national pride is eternal. Despite losing the war, the Argentines generously honored their heroes - sea pilots aviation managed to damage a third of the ships of the British squadron! It would seem, a little more and ...

Alternative history? Why not.

If you do not indulge in naive dreams of blasters and combat orbital stations, the Falklands War appears to be an incomprehensible set of accidents, each of which could completely change the course of hostilities and have a great effect on the results of the conflict.

"Six better fuses and we would not be able to take the islands."

- Marshal of the Royal Air Force Lord Craig

The fact that 80% Argentine bombs and anti-ship missiles did not work in a regular way is not surprising. The reliability of fuses has always been a sore subject for ammunition developers, and 30 years of storage and an unplanned dumping trajectory (Argentines attacked ships with a flying flight) finally ruined the hope of the effectiveness of missile-bomb strikes.


“Before the conflict, we knew that Argentina had given the world outstanding Formula 1 pilots. Strange, but we didn’t guess that they also have great combat pilots” - the opinion of one of the British officers

With non-explosive bombs, everything is clear - but what would happen if Argentine footballers bother to lengthen the airport runway in the Falklands, preparing a strip for receiving combat Daggers and Skyhawks? This is exactly what the British were afraid of - in this case the flight time would be sharply reduced, the intensity and effectiveness of air attacks would increase. The Argentines would not have to overload the aircraft with fuel and use air tankers (in reality, the Argentine Air Force had the entire 1 operational tanker KS-130, which severely limited the frequency of strikes and the number of strike groups).

The length of the original Portley concrete was 4000 feet (approx. 1200 m). Argentina had all the technical capabilities and almost a month of free time to carry out construction work, but no action was taken.


Argentine ground attack aircraft A-4 "Skyhawk"

And what would the disputed islands be called now - Falkland or Malvinas? - get the Argentines on time all the 14 ordered by them "Super-Etendarov" and 28 anti-ship missiles "Exochet"?
It is such a party weapons: 14 carrier aircraft, 28 RCC, spare parts, Atar engines 8К50 and all related equipment for retrofitting aviation of the Argentine Navy was ordered in France in 1979 year. The contract was paid in specie - dangerous “toys” cost Argentina 160 million dollars.

The Argentines would be late with the war for at least a year, and the British would be able to know the power of modern rocket weapons.

In reality, it turned out differently - the start of hostilities in the South Atlantic entailed an immediate UN Directive and an international embargo on the supply of weapons to Argentina. By April, 1982, the Argentines managed to get only six fighter-bombers "Super-Etandar" (one is not capable due to technical problems and lack of spare parts), as well as five air-launched anti-ship missiles AM.39 Exocet.
But even this modest set was enough to cause an epidemic of diarrhea aboard Her Majesty’s ships. The air defense capabilities of the British squadron were barely enough to repel the attacks of Skywalk subsonic attack aircraft, and modern missiles were a special threat to the British.


Argentines uncover their "vundervaffe"



Dassault Super-Étendard with AM.39 Exocet suspended under the wing

Five shots - two corpses. In the waves of the South Atlantic hiding the destroyer Sheffield and the ersatz aircraft carrier Atlantic Conveyor. By the criterion of "efficiency" pilots of the Argentine Navy surpassed only Gavril Princip with his revolver.

It is not difficult to guess how the British seamen would have danced if 5 flew more of such missiles at them. However, oddly enough, the British General Staff also did not sit still and carefully worked through this situation.

Operation Mikado

Aware of the threat posed by the rocket-carrying aviation of the Argentine Navy, the British command seriously considered the possibility of expanding the combat zone and conducting operations on the island of Tierra del Fuego.

By itself, this cold and wind-blown piece of land was of little interest to the British. The only significant object is the Rio Grande air base, the closest to the Falklands base is the Argentine aviation. It was from here that the Dagghers and Skyhawks went up to battle, and the formidable Super-Etandars were based here and a set of anti-ship missiles was stored.

At the beginning of the 1980s, Her Majesty’s fleet had not yet received the Tomahawk SLCM. At that time, the British had neither long-range naval artillery, nor operational-tactical missile systems, or any other remote means suitable for attacking an Argentinean airbase. “Point” bombing strikes using Vulcan bombers were considered unnecessarily risky and ineffective.

There was only one possibility - to carry out the attack "manually" using SAS (Special Air Service) special forces. The plan of the operation, which received the code name "Mikado", looked as follows:

A couple of C-130 “Hercules” transporters with 50-55 expeditionary group of special forces, with weapons, explosives, provisions and all necessary equipment are raised from the air base on Ascension Island (equatorial Atlantic) and heading for the South.

Transport vehicles will need 3-4 refueling to get to Tierra del Fuego, then successfully masquerading as Argentine C-130 (similar machines were used by the Argentine Air Force for daily cargo delivery to Falklands), Hercules boldly heading towards AB Rio Grande.



Taking advantage of the general turmoil, the transport workers land on the runway of the airbase: from the belly of the Trojan horses lash the flow of people and cargo. Then a real Hollywood blockbuster in the Rambo style begins: shoot, blow up, kill - the primary tasks of SAS were to destroy all the “Super-Etandars” and locate the RCC storage sites with their subsequent disposal. If possible, it was necessary to shoot the flight technical staff of the air base and inflict maximum damage in the shortest time.

Gosh, this is war! Or did the Argentines seriously hope that they could just shoot at Her Majesty's ships just like that, without consequences?

After the massacre, the special forces, picking up the wounded and, if possible, taking possession of ground vehicles, had to fight in the direction of the border with Chile (march 50 kilometers across deserted areas).

As for the Hercules aircraft themselves: if they remain intact after the landing, the engines should immediately be put into take-off mode, and go west, almost touching the hilltops with a wing, to the Chilean airbase Punta Arenas. If the transport workers were damaged by fire from the Earth, the pilots should have blown up the faulty equipment and evacuated along with the main special forces group.

Despite its seemingly adventurous and madness, the British plan as a whole looked quite realistic. Special forces, transport aircraft, refueling in the air, blatant disembarking at the enemy’s airfield - a classic of modern wars.

The first phase of the operation does not cause any questions: the British “Hercules,“ Nimrody ”and“ Volcanoes ”flew dozens of times along the Fr. Ascension - Falkland, with numerous refueling en route.
Much more doubt about the safe landing and the pogrom at the airport by 55 SAS fighters. As it turned out after the war, the British had very vague ideas about the Rio Grande air base, its security systems and the location of its infrastructure. It is no coincidence that the Daily Telegraph newspaper would later call the mission “suicide”, and the British General Staff, after considering all possible scenarios, decided to act in a different scenario.

According to the updated action plan, the operation "Mikado" should be carried out by the forces of the naval special forces SBS (Special Boat Service), the benefit of Rio Grande was located on the coast.
Having landed under the cover of darkness from the submarine HMS Onyx, the special forces quietly removed sentries and penetrated into the territory of the airbase. And then ... the Hollywood blockbuster began: colorful fireworks explosions and shooting to the blue in the face.
Having defeated the base, the special forces, picking up the wounded, set off towards the Chilean border.

That is another thing! The plan sounds completely realistic and effective.



The runway of the Rio Grande airbase is located near the water, as a result of the British submarines throughout the war followed the Argentine aircraft taking off, promptly warning the squadron of air threats. The diesel-electric boat HMS Onyx was the only one who was engaged in planting SBS groups on the Falklands coast - it was not difficult for her to land a similar group on Tierra del Fuego. There is no doubt about the combat training of SBS fighters.

The only catch is the evacuation. The attentive reader must have noticed the regular mention of Chile. It would seem: why should a neutral state intervene in the conflict of “two bald people because of a comb”? Will the Chilean authorities hand over British “war criminals” at the request of Argentina?
Do not give out. And that's why:

Chilean footprint

Despite the horror stories in the style of “The 71% Earth is covered with water”, the land is distributed on the surface of the planet in uniform spots - every time there is a piece of land nearby that is suitable for peace and war. And then, in the 1982 year, Britain found an ally even at the very edge of the earth. Republic of Chile.
To say that relations between Chile and Argentina were strained is to say nothing. The aggravated territorial dispute over the Beagle Channel placed both states on the brink of war. It is no coincidence that in the days of the Falklands conflict, half of the Argentine armed forces stationed on the Argentine-Chilean border.

In such circumstances, the Chileans were guided by the simple rule: "the enemy of my enemy is a friend." Assessing the situation, Pinochet suggested that the UK place combat aircraft in Chile, conveniently close to the borders of Argentina and the Falkland Islands. Great Britain wisely rejected the proposal, stressing that "minimal military success can be leveled by major political complications."
However, the military cooperation of Great Britain and Chile during the Falklands War is not questioned. The British cautiously enjoyed Chilean hospitality, trying not to escalate tensions around this slippery situation.

Aircraft had to be placed outside the continental part of Chile - on the island of San Felix, 3000 km from Tierra del Fuego. From here, the Nimrod R1 ELINT radio intelligence aircraft operated, tracking and intercepting Argentine radio messages in a military conflict zone.



Another interesting story is related to the actions of the intelligence "Canberra" from 39-th Squadron of the Royal Air Force. According to official data, several vehicles of this unit were sent to Chile, but then, for political reasons, the order was canceled, and the aircraft were stuck for a while in Belize (a state in Central America).

The unofficial generally accepted version is as follows: The Canberras urgently received the coloring and identification marks of the Chilean Air Force and redeployed to the Agua Fresca airbase (Punta Arenas). This is the only distinct explanation of the fact that in the spring of 1982, several planes of this type unexpectedly appeared as part of the Air Force of Chile.

English Electric Canberra PR9 with Fuerza Aerea De Chile Identification Marks (Chile Air Force)

Chilean "Canberra" regularly flew in the direction of Falklands to conduct photo surveys and monitor the situation in the ocean. The Chileans explained these episodes as “testing of new aircraft and the training of pilots of the Chilean Air Force under the guidance of British pilots”. Who really sat in the booths of the scouts, and what did the Canberra do ... as they say, comments are superfluous.

It was thanks to the “Canberram” with Agua Fresco that fresh photographic materials on the situation on the occupied islands lay daily on the table of the British command: the deployment and the number of enemy forces, the results of bombing strikes, the location of fortifications and other important objects (radar, warehouses, anti-aircraft batteries). Perhaps it was to conceal the fact of reconnaissance flights from Chile’s territory that a “duck” was launched in the media about receiving intelligence data from American satellites (although it probably didn’t do without it. However, it wasn’t as big as the press described it).
It is curious that, after the war, the two old British “Canberras” were indeed donated to the Chilean air force - in recognition of their cooperation.



But the most interesting incident related to the Chilean-British collaboration occurred on the night from 17 to 18 in May 1982 of the year:

The Sea King helicopter (b / n ZA290) from the 846 squadron secretly penetrated into Argentine airspace and attempted to land a special forces group in the area of ​​the Rio Grande airbase for reconnaissance as part of the planned Mikado.

The pinwheel was discovered and fired from the ground - the damaged Sea King barely reached Chilean territory, making a hard landing on the beach 11 miles from Punto Arenas. The crew was transferred to the British Embassy in Santiago. The Chilean authorities, as they could, tried to hide the incident, having buried the debris deeper in the sand, alas, the story has become widely known and now local old-timers carry tourists to see the body of a British helicopter.

Epilogue

Despite the unequivocal end result, each of the parties that took part in the Falkland War had its own “Plan B”: many proposed ways and solutions to neutralize the enemy. The British, frankly, were lucky that Argentina was not very well prepared for the war, at the same time, even the presence of super-weapons in the face of a couple dozen "Exosets" could not guarantee the Argentines victory - the Britons knew how to solve the problem and seriously prepared for such a development events. A good lesson for future generations of the military.

The frightening and mystical operation "Mikado" never took place in reality. While the British special forces were preparing for a raid on the Rio Grande airbase, the Argentines spent all their modest stock of missiles, and the need for a raid disappeared by itself.

Monograph "The Official History of Falklands War" by Sir Lawrens Freedman
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http://en.mercopress.com
http://www.waronline.org
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  1. George
    George 16 July 2013 07: 55 New
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    I apologize in advance, but when I hear about the Falklands, I immediately remember a joke about how the British queen, wanting to reward a veteran of the Falkland War, asked him about the desired award. The veteran asked for every centimeter that separates his scrotum from his body for a pound.
    “Where's your scrotum?” The queen asked.
    -On the Falklands - there was an answer.
    1. Gari
      Gari 16 July 2013 10: 42 New
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      CIA counteraction to USSR plans to assist Argentina
      The part of the military and political archives of the USA, Great Britain, Argentina, Pakistan and the Taliban, declassified in 2010-2012, shows that the plan was comprehensive. London then carried out a large-scale military operation abroad - one might say, to distant lands from Great Britain itself. Of course, in order to restore British colonial power on these very remote islands. According to some reports, due to the presence of large oil and gas resources there, as well as due to the top-secret British underwater military and intelligence facilities in that area. This operation was carried out with the support of the United States.
      And its implementation was facilitated by the difficult socio-economic situation within the USSR and in its relations with a number of neighboring states. And, perhaps, the first factor here was Soviet policy in Afghanistan, against which Pakistan, Iran, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, China, the Western powers and underground ultra-Islamist groups in Uzbekistan and Tajikistan rallied in a single bloc.
      1. Gari
        Gari 16 July 2013 10: 43 New
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        According to British intelligence, Moscow allegedly "was ready to provide Argentina with warships, planes and missiles (type SS) in exchange for deliveries of grain and beef at preferential prices."
        And if the war had become protracted, support from the USSR could be the only chance for Argentina.
        However, the US administration and American corporations, skillfully combining various levers of influence on Argentina (from financial-economic to political) prevented not only the Soviet-Argentinean military-political "bow", but also forced Buenos Aires to reduce the supply of beef and grain to the USSR at preferential rates prices. The Americans also achieved that the neighbors of Argentina declared their neutrality, and Chileans, for example, ceased to claim five British South Pacific islands Pitcairn, located near the Chilean Easter Island
        As for the British-American plan to prevent the possible participation of the USSR in the war of Argentina with the British, it was put into effect, we repeat, from the beginning to the middle of April 1982. And it was agreed with the main allies of Washington and London at that time.
        1. Gari
          Gari 16 July 2013 10: 48 New
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          The reasons for this conflict have never been a secret for specialists.
          Geologists have long predicted that the Falkland Islands region could become one of the largest new oil producing regions in the world.
          It is supposed to have oil fields with reserves of 60 million barrels.
          This is comparable to the deposits of the North Sea, which provided Britain at the end of the 20th century with the status of one of the largest oil powers in the world.

          In September 2009, Desire Petroleum announced the launch of a major program to search for large oil offshore the Falkland Islands.
          1. Santa Fe
            16 July 2013 11: 31 New
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            Quote: Gari
            The reasons for this conflict have never been a secret for specialists.

            The government of Galtieri desperately needed a "small victorious war"


            And for the Thatcher’s office, the Falkland Conflict was a true gift of fate:
            - Strengthening the statehood and patriotic spirit of the nation;
            - the rise of British prestige in the eyes of the whole world;
            - the coming to power of the new government of Argentina, which agreed to pay off old debts to Britain.
            1. postman
              postman 17 July 2013 04: 55 New
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              Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
              The government of Galtieri desperately needed a "small victorious war"

              Come on?
              Why didn’t Jorge Rafael Videla Redondo start it in 1977?
              All that "resisted"
              (Operation Journeyman 1977)

              Atomic multipurpose submarine Dreadnought (order in the event of a collision, shedding, floating up)
              Frigate "Phoebe" (HMS Phoebe)
              Electric Frigate (HMS Alacrity)
              Support Ship Resource (RFA Resource)
              Auxiliary ship “Oluen” (RFA Olwen)
              Leopoldo JUST took advantage of the absence of a British naval presence in the South Atlantic at that time
              Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
              And for the Thatcher’s office, the Falkland Conflict was a true gift of fate:

              Come on!?
              And James Callaghan, what "bolt scored" on?
              Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
              - Strengthening the statehood and patriotic spirit of the nation;
              - the rise of British prestige in the eyes of the whole world;


              and everything is so classified that the current was revealed in 1995?

              From 1965 to 1977, foreign trade turnover increased almost fourfold. On the one hand, the export of capital has doubled; on the other, the contributions of foreign monopolies to the UK economy are growing rapidly. Increasing exports is considered one of the main means of solving the country's economic problems. This laid the foundation for the economic growth of the 80s. 1/3 of UK production was exported, with most of the export value coming from manufacturing products: cars, airplanes, metal products, electrical equipment, chemical products and textiles. The geography of British foreign trade is changing: the role of the countries of the Commonwealth is falling and the importance of the capitalist countries of Europe is growing. By joining the Common Market, Great Britain refused the system of preferences - mutual customs privileges that existed between Great Britain and other countries of the Commonwealth since 1932. On the other hand, by 1977 all customs tariffs between Great Britain and other countries - members of the EEC were eliminated, which led to a further increase in the share of countries - members of this association in the foreign trade of Great Britain.
              1. Santa Fe
                17 July 2013 12: 10 New
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                Quote: Postman
                Leopoldo JUST took advantage of the absence of a British naval presence in the South Atlantic at that time

                Roberto Viola was still that bastard.
                Both had a reason for a "small victorious war", but Galtieri was more lucky (more precisely - unlucky) more

                The foreign secretary at the time David Owen later claimed that if Margaret Thatcher's government had taken similarly quick action five years later, the Argentinians would not have invaded in 1982 leading to the Falklands War.
                I mean, to send a squadron as soon as the args landed a "group of workers" in South Georgia?
                Quote: Postman
                And James Callaghan, what "bolt scored" on?

                Victory in the Falkle War meant a lot to Thatcher’s cabinet
                1. postman
                  postman 17 July 2013 13: 16 New
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                  Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                  Victory in the Falkle War meant a lot to Thatcher’s cabinet

                  Around £ 1 (!) - THOSE

                  Note before the "Black Wednesday" was more than 10 years.
                  Yes, and what is the "Black Wednesday"?
                  Quantum simultaneously sold about 5 billion pounds (in 1992: 10 * 3% = 30%, that is, 3,5 billion GBP and kirdyk to the pound sterling -25% (from 2,01 to 1,51 GBP / USD).
                  And where is the money Zin? (Well, or hydrocarbons)
                  Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                  but galtieri was lucky

                  Well yes
                  MINUS $ 2
                  I recall at the time of the beginning of this war inflation in Argentina at 300% per annumno one gives loans
                  Well, how can you fix this war

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                  “It is quite obvious,” emphasized in one of the letters of the then US Secretary of State A. Haig R. Reagan, “that she (Thatcher - AB) is ready to use force. She is unwavering in her determination to restore the former status quo. It’s also obvious that she wants ... any decision to punish the adversary. ”

                  And by the way, everyone was AGAINST and almost "put on their pants", in Britain it means.
                  1. Santa Fe
                    17 July 2013 13: 29 New
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                    Quote: Postman
                    About 1 pounds (!) - Tech

                    Quote: Postman
                    Well, how can you fix this war

                    Leave the economy already!
                    There are other equally important things: the rating of a politician, the unity of a nation before a common enemy (do not care that there is nothing to eat - this is the whole point of a "small victorious war")
                    Quote: Postman
                    And by the way, everyone was AGAINST and almost "put on their pants", in Britain it means.

                    Emnip May 16, 1982 negotiations were underway: Britain agreed to peace, subject to the replacement of the Argentinean administration in the Falklands by UN staff (i.e., in fact, refused the islands)

                    Argi did not agree, considering this a weakness of Britain - it is necessary to squeeze. Doge
                    1. postman
                      postman 17 July 2013 15: 59 New
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                      Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                      Leave the economy already!

                      I can not.

                      Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                      There are other equally important things: the rating of a politician, the unity of a nation before a common enemy (do not care that there is nothing to eat - this is the whole point of a "small victorious war")

                      Toko that:
                      -In the early 1980s, Thatcher, despite worries from leading economists, raised taxes
                      - In 1982, the inflation rate decreased from 18% to 8,6%, and the number of unemployed amounted to more than 3 million people (for the first time since 1930!)
                      - laid the foundations of "people's capitalism".
                      WHICH ICE WAR THAT? UK is not NORTH KOREA.
                      Churchill "WINNING" 2MB- WITH COD SHOCKED OUT of the chair
                      2MV and xs what kind of war in the Falklands?
                      And 1939 is not for you 1982
                      1. postman
                        postman 17 July 2013 16: 01 New
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                        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                        May 16, 1982 negotiations were underway


                        ?????
                        British Guardian periodically publishes excerpts from US Declassified Documents by the US National Security Archiveconcerning the British-Argentine war for the Falklands, the South Sandwich Islands and South Georgia.
                        From these documents followsfor example, that “... the government of Margaret Thatcher was immediately very determined and practically did not consider the possibility of a peaceful settlement of the conflict. "

                        The British-American plan to prevent the possible participation of the USSR in the war of Argentina with the British (while prolonging the conflict), it was put into effect from early to mid-April 1982.


                        Key points:

                        1. Stimulating terrorist attacks and separatism in Tajikistan and Uzbekistan. Already in February-April 1982, in these republics, with the help of Afghan Mujahideen, as well as British, American and Pakistani special services, the network of ultra-Islamic groups of local chauvinists was expanded - in particular, Hizb ut-Tahrir, Muslim Brotherhood, and “movements against the Soviet occupation of the Khiva Khanate, the Kokand Khanate and the Bukhara Emirate "," committees to support the struggle of Afghanistan "," Alliance for the Liberation of the Pamir. It was planned, for example, the explosion of the Nurek hydroelectric station in Tajikistan - one of the largest in Asia. Various anti-Soviet and anti-Russian actions became more frequent. Moreover, direct or indirect assistance to these groups was provided either by special services or "non-governmental humanitarian funds" of Pakistan, Iran, China, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Jordan. And in parallel, the situation of Soviet troops in Afghanistan worsened.
                        2. A sharp increase in the Air Force and Navy of the United States and Great Britain, including through long-range weapons, in the British Chagos archipelago (in the center of the Indian Ocean), British Gibraltar and the British territories in Cyprus.
                        Variants of “freezing” or delayed passage of the Soviet Navy through the Strait of Gibraltar (between the Atlantic and the Mediterranean) were prepared.
                        The British Navy and Air Force were also strengthened on islands belonging to Great Britain in the West and South Atlantic (Anguilla, Bermuda, Virgin, Montserrat, St. Helena, Ascension, Turks and Caicos Islands).
                        3. A "collective" request was being prepared at the UN, combining the situation in Afghanistan with the "Soviet occupation of the Khiva, Kokand khanates and the Bukhara emirate."
                        4. Increased pressure on Moscow in all directions: the Middle East, Korea, etc.
                        5. The United States and Great Britain in April-May 1982 thwarted the conclusion of certain contracts for the well-known Soviet-Western European project "Gas Pipes"
                        6. The United States increased the number of its troops and strengthened their armaments in the Aleutian Islands adjacent to the USSR. The same was done at American bases in Spain, Portugal, Guantanamo Bay (southeast Cuba), Okinawa (southern Japan), the Philippines, US-owned Puerto Rico, Hawaii, parts of the Virgin Islands and in the Panama Canal zone.
                        7. The undermining of the Warsaw Pact “from within” continued. Romania, which criticized Soviet policy on many issues, including Afghanistan, began to receive significant assistance from the West (and Israel) in the creation of the Romanian atomic weapon from the spring of 1982.

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                        it’s not very similar to
                        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                        Britain's weakness

                        it seems to be the other way aroundgetting more and more

                        "Russia - USSR - Argentina: 100 years of relations", Moscow, 1985; British-Chilean dispute, Adamstown (Pitairn), 1984
                        G.K. Mardonez “CIA without a mask”, M., 1980
          2. Seraph
            Seraph 16 July 2013 19: 40 New
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            60 million barrels is very small. This is about 10 million tons, or a 1,5-month need for British industry. Because of this amount will not fight. Inaccurate figures led, rather, something like 6 billion bar or 60 billion bar
          3. postman
            postman 17 July 2013 04: 35 New
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            Quote: Gari
            that the Falkland Islands area is able to become one of the largest new oil producers regions of the world.

            So how is it? STEEL? Or did the British directly find Scotland oil? and they don’t even need the "largest oil-bearing region" in FIG?
          4. Kassandra
            Kassandra 5 February 2014 16: 48 New
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            it's just Antarctic Treaty it's so shaky and it's a great outpost in the Subantarctic
            in addition to the islands lived a significant number of British, well, you know the prestige
            About oil then nothing was known.
            USSR WWII watched the squadron but even nothing is known about the transfer of intelligence to Argentina
            Argentina’s retreat was tracked, and the UK most likely left by itself next year, besides, the uninhabited island occupied by the Argentines was smaller and more tolerant, and did not fight back for several years.
        2. andsavichev2012
          andsavichev2012 16 July 2013 13: 10 New
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          Gee-gee !!!! Soviet-Argentinean-Uzbek Union against the United States and England !!! Gee gee drinks
          The US called on the parties to agree and went into the shadows, because connected with Argetina by a military-partner agreement (they justified themselves by the fact that Argenina acted as an aggressor).
          The USSR fanned the anti-British company in the media, and that’s all. South America never entered the zone of Soviet interests.
          Well, about the Argetino-Soviet military unit, you can talk about the current after the 1st liter, drinksand the possibility of the USSR participating in this war, this is after the 2nd liter and a good jamb drinks wassat
        3. misham
          misham 16 July 2013 17: 16 New
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          As for the possible participation of the USSR, this is a myth. Even if the Argentines asked for it. Junta Galtieri - fascists worse than Pinochet.
      2. Beck
        Beck 16 July 2013 17: 16 New
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        Quote: Gari
        London then carried out a large-scale military operation abroad - one might say, to distant lands from Great Britain itself. Of course, in order to restore British colonial power on these very remote islands.


        By the time of the Falkland events, the English colonial empire no longer existed. The era of colonialism itself began to crumble after 2 MB and by the end of the 60s had gone down in the history of mankind.

        The Falklands could not be de facto and de jure Argentine territory. The Falklands were uninhabited islands. They were discovered in 1610 by an English navigator. An independent state on the territory of Argentina arose only in 1816.

        Quote: Gari
        According to some reports - due to the presence of large oil and gas resources there,


        And why this oil and this gas are not being extracted now. England simply defended its sovereignty. And after the conflict, exploratory drilling was carried out on the shelf in the hope of finding possible oil. The basis of the economy is sheep farming.

        Quote: Gari
        This operation was carried out with the support of the United States.


        Moral yes, but not military. England was completely attacked, according to NATO, England offered military assistance to the entire bloc, as recorded in the charter. Margaret Thatcher refused.

        Quote: Gari
        As for the British-American plan to prevent the possible participation of the USSR in the war of Argentina with the British, it was put into effect, we repeat, from the beginning to the middle of April 1982. And it was agreed with the main allies of Washington and London at that time.


        And the USSR did not have much desire, and there was no small desire, there was no desire to fight because of some rocky islands, for the sake of the ephemeral support of Argentina, having unleashed 3 MVs with NATO. In the Kremlin, then, not the senile old men were still sitting.
        1. Pilat2009
          Pilat2009 16 July 2013 20: 35 New
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          Quote: Beck
          fight for the ephemeral support of Argentina

          And no need to fight, it was necessary to put rockets, spoil the British
          1. Beck
            Beck 17 July 2013 08: 45 New
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            Quote: Pilat2009
            And no need to fight, it was necessary to put rockets, spoil the British


            How so? Out of the blue spoil? Is that your life principle? To cheat on a work colleague, cheat on a neighbor in the country, to cheat on any country? You, that you live by the principle - On ... your neighbor, for the neighbor on ... bet you and he will rejoice with evil.

            England, whatever the USSR’s ideological disagreements with it at that time, was attacked by the fascist regime of Argentina. Exactly fascist. Or the word does not cause you to associate fascist? England responded to military force with military force and returned the islands. What else is needed for justice.

            And if tomorrow Japan drops its troops on the islands of the Kuril ridge Shchikotan and Habomai their troops? Russia will naturally take all measures to return the islands. And the USA, Europe spoil Of Russia. will provide Japan with a wide arsenal of nuclear weapons and the latest missile development of their carriers.

            What, will you be sweet?
            1. Pilat2009
              Pilat2009 17 July 2013 17: 52 New
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              Quote: Beck
              in those days ideological disagreements with her

              You dear forgot that in those days was the Cold War?
              What Britain spoils us (not you, but Russia) the blood of the last 300 years?
              This is really called FRAW. Piles of shit were piled up.
              Found, you understand the neighbor
              I’m silent about the United States.
              Quote: Beck
              will provide Japan with a wide arsenal of nuclear weapons and the latest missile development of their carriers

              Apart from nuclear weapons, Japan has already been provided with all this as an ally of all mankind, and they themselves have not been made with a finger.
              1. Beck
                Beck 17 July 2013 20: 33 New
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                Quote: Pilat2009
                You dear forgot that in those days was the Cold War?


                So the whole world tried to make sure that the Cold War did not turn into a Hot War. And the supply of missiles to Argentina would have just fanned the fire.

                Quote: Pilat2009
                What Britain spoils us (not you, but Russia) the blood of the last 300 years?


                And what? She pursues her interests just like Russia does. If you delve into the chronicles, then Russia did such things that England did not like. So this is the story. Why are you going to hate me fiercely just because my ancestors created the Golden Horde?

                Quote: Pilat2009
                In addition to nuclear weapons, Japan is already provided with all this.


                The essence does not change, let them provide only nuclear weapons, what will be better for Russia?

                According to your statements, you are a cheer patriot who has nothing to do with a true patriot. That is what the West has not given you so much. I dare to suggest that only envy. Your dream is for Russia to take that place in the world, in its economic and military power, which the United States now occupies. So for this you need not hiss, but work. To adopt in the West all the best and implement at home. And just hissing - They are bastards - so another 300 years you can’t reach the front lines.
                1. Pilat2009
                  Pilat2009 17 July 2013 21: 02 New
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                  Quote: Beck
                  According to your statements, you are a jingoist

                  you study my profile for a start. Hurray there and does not smell
                  And I somehow do not really need to envy the general people, there is not much good there
                  Thatcher had to click on his nose to cool off a bit. Hot heads are prone to adventurism, you know
                  for the USA, Vietnam was such a cooler, now Afghanistan
                  Quote: Beck
                  So for this you do not need to hiss

                  And I’m not a reptile to hiss. Believe me, not everything is so good in the West. Yes, the standard of living is high, but there are a lot of problems with migrants and human values. This is the trouble of Russia that instilled these values ​​in her. Believe me, happiness is not in quantity cars in the family
                  1. Beck
                    Beck 18 July 2013 06: 23 New
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                    Quote: Pilat2009
                    Thatcher had to click on his nose to cool off a bit. Hot heads are prone to adventurism, you know


                    I do not see the logic. England was attacked, England was defending herself and her nose was clicked. Then it was necessary to click on the nose of Alexander 1 and Stalin for the fact that they dared to defend their state from the attacks of Napoleon and Hitler.

                    Quote: Pilat2009
                    Believe me, not everything is so good in the West. Yes, the standard of living is high, but a lot of problems with migrants and human values


                    There is no life without problems. No problem Peace is impossible. And the problems should be solved, if possible, by humane methods, and not by the suppression of freedoms and the creation of concentration camps.

                    Quote: Pilat2009
                    .This is the trouble of Russia that instilled in her these values. Well, believe me, happiness is not in the number of cars in the family


                    And what's the trouble? The West is a less enlightened world than other regions of the planet. And hence the economic prosperity. And this prosperity is based on those values ​​that now dominate the planet. And the family there is not in the pen - My house is my castle, their saying. And a house means a family.

                    Other values ​​have been rejected by humanity. The values ​​of slavery, colonial values, the values ​​of fascist and communist ideologies. In the modern era, it is simply impossible to live in house building. The political structure of the World goes from many states to the state of planet Earth. Many nationalities will make up a single nation of Earthlings. Of course it will not be tomorrow, but it’s coming to this. And then for us other states will be other inhabited planets, and aliens will be aliens.
                    1. Pilat2009
                      Pilat2009 18 July 2013 17: 30 New
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                      Quote: Beck
                      Many nationalities make up a single nation of Earthlings

                      This will not happen as long as they show how to live differently, consider their nation to be dominant. How many nationalities, so many opinions how to live. While a bunch of politicians are leading people, guided by incomprehensible interests, there will be wars, conflicts and tension.
                      Quote: Beck
                      And what's the trouble?

                      Instead Help your neighbor, kick a competitor more
                      Juvenile justice, which they try to instill in Russia, when children are taken out of the family under ridiculous pretexts
                      In Norway they live in communities where all relatives can use the child
                      Yes, and a lot of things from the western way of life
                      Quote: Beck
                      Other values ​​have been rejected by humanity

                      You speak too early for the whole of humanity. You can talk as much as you like, and simultaneously drop atomic bombs and water the jungle with chemistry, bomb cities, overthrow legally elected governments, declare countries empires of evil ...
                2. Kassandra
                  Kassandra 5 February 2014 17: 16 New
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                  if they provide nuclear weapons it will be worse only by the USA itself :-))
                  their crap will not be forgotten yet soon, blood feud goes yes 4th knee
                  the west takes over from the east and brains flow there and not from there.
            2. Kassandra
              Kassandra 5 February 2014 17: 13 New
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              if Japan landed then England will spoil 98 pounds, as they all crap in 1904
              The United States and England still messed up in 1939, supplying oil to Yap all the six months of the war on Halingol, due to which trade with Hitler resumed interrupted in 1937
              In 1945, the United States made even worse by using nuclear because it had to put almost all of the special forces to capture the Japanese bacteriological, and by the way save tens of millions of Americans.
              have you become sweet? if so, it’s good because from anthrax it’s a salty taste.
        2. Gari
          Gari 17 July 2013 09: 58 New
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          Quote: Beck
          And why this oil and this gas are not being extracted now. England simply defended its sovereignty. And after the conflict, exploratory drilling was carried out on the shelf in the hope of finding possible oil. The basis of the economy is sheep farming.

          The smoldering territorial conflict between Great Britain and Argentina again escalated after the decision of London to begin development of oil fields on the shelf of the Falkland Islands. The price of the issue is high - the British say that offshore oil reserves in the region of the islands reach 60 billion barrels
          So, according to the statistical report of BP, at the end of 2008 the proven oil reserves of the Russian Federation amounted to 79 billion barrels, the UAE - almost 98, Kuwait - 101, Iraq - 115.
          http://lenta.ru/articles/2010/02/24/oil/

          Please read the links, I do not invent
          In addition, the island are of strategic importance

          At the turn of the 1970-1980s. About half of the US crude oil and two-thirds of the oil imported by Western Europe, from 20 to 85% of various strategic minerals coming to the USA from South Africa, were transported by sea in the region. Due to the increase in the number of large tankers that could not pass through the Suez and Panama Canals, the significance of the path around the Cape of Good Hope continued to grow. In the early 1980s More than 25 thousand ships and vessels passed annually around the Cape of Good Hope.
          And one must think not only of coastal, civil courts
          1. Beck
            Beck 17 July 2013 11: 04 New
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            Quote: Gari
            The price of the issue is high - the British say that offshore oil reserves in the region of the islands reach 60 billion barrels


            Well, 60 billion, so 60. I have no reason not to believe your words. But I’m sure that England first of all defended its unceremoniously violated sovereignty. And I don’t think that during the conflict, both parties knew the figure 60. It arose later after the conflict, after drilling exploratory wells.

            Quote: Gari
            In addition, the island are of strategic importance


            Of course he had in the past, since the southwest Atlantic was controlled. But with the development of technology, the value of stationary bases of the 20th century is steadily decreasing. But in fact, any point on the globe where this or that clash of interests occurs always acquires strategic importance.
            1. Gari
              Gari 17 July 2013 12: 41 New
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              Quote: Beck
              Well, 60 billion, so 60. I have no reason not to believe your words.

              Thank you for believing me, but I specifically provided a link for you and not only for you to read
              Quote: Beck
              But I’m sure that England first of all defended its unceremoniously violated sovereignty. And I don’t think that during the conflict, both parties knew the figure 60. It arose later after the conflict, after drilling exploratory wells.

              Do you think naively England, but can you say British Petroleum did not know about this?

              Quote: Beck
              Of course he had in the past, since the southwest Atlantic was controlled. But with the development of technology, the value of stationary bases of the 20th century is steadily decreasing. But in fact, any point on the globe where this or that clash of interests occurs always acquires strategic importance.


              In the early 1980s More than 25 thousand ships and vessels passed annually around the Cape of Good Hope.

              And the military, too, and Britain controls Gibraltar the entrance to the Mediterranean,
              It has a base in Cyprus, in the heart of the Mediterranean Sea, Bermuda, Antilles, Cayman Islands, Terme Caicos, Monserat, in Africa - St. Helena, in the Pacific - Pitcairn Island, some territories in Antarctica.
              If interested, you can look at the map of all these islands and their strategic importance will be visible
        3. postman
          postman 17 July 2013 14: 19 New
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          . In the Kremlin, then, not the senile old men were still sitting.

          Beck, you're wrong.
          Alas, already ... sat. And 1982-1985 showed this.
          But not only in the Kremlin, EVERYWHERE in CMEA and SVD
          BULGARIA FOR EXAMPLE:
          The average age of members of the Politburo of the Communist Party in the elections of the XIII Party Congress in April 1986 was 61,1 years, and in 1989 = 65,5 years. The Secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party at that moment is 66,57 years old. The Politburo, the majority of adult Zhivkov - 78 years old, Dzhurov - 73, Grisha Filipov - 70 Milko Balev - 69, John Kubadinski - 73.
          1. Beck
            Beck 17 July 2013 17: 15 New
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            Quote: Postman
            Beck, you're wrong.


            This is me in the heat of controversy. Of course there were old people, but they were younger than during the fall of the Berlin Wall. And the USSR has never had problems because of the Falklands.
            1. postman
              postman 17 July 2013 18: 42 New
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              Quote: Beck
              but younger than during the fall of the Berlin Wall

              +7 years old !!! GIVE YOUTH yes
              The average age of members of the Politburo of the Central Committee of the CPSU was in 1980. about 75 years.
              - died A.N. Kosygin, he was succeeded as Chairman of the Council of Ministers of the USSR 76-year-old N.A. Tikhonov
              -In November 1982, he died in age 76 Leonid Ilyich Brezhnev
              -14 months Andropov, who was “replaced” by Konstantin Ustinovich Chernenko, who spent most of his time in the hospital and died in the evening of March 10, 1985
              -75-year-old A.A. Gromyko was not only the Minister of Foreign Affairs, but also one of the first deputy prime ministers
              Moscow party leader 70-year-old Victor Grishin
              -62-year-old G.V. Romanov was a much more experienced party leader than M. Gorbachev, and clearly superior to him in intelligence.
              -The member of the Politburo was the strongest in intelligence, political ability and business qualities in 1985. Heydar Aliyev, 62,

              Quote: Beck
              but younger than during the fall of the Berlin Wall

              Nope
              On February 18, 1988, the Plenum of the Central Committee of the CPSU elected Yu. D. Maslyukov, G. P. Razumovsky as candidates for membership in the Politburo of the Central Committee. The plenum relieved B. N. Yeltsin of the duties of a candidate member of the Politburo of the Central Committee.
              September 30, 1988, the Plenum of the Central Committee of the CPSU elected V. A. Medvedev a member of the Politburo; Candidates for membership in the Politburo of the Central Committee are A. V. Vlasov, A. P. Biryukov and A. I. Lukyanov. The plenum granted the request of A. A. Gromyko and relieved him of his duties as a member of the Politburo of the CPSU Central Committee. In connection with his retirement, the Plenum relieved M. S. Solomentsev, member of the Politburo of the Central Committee, from the duties of the candidate for membership of the Politburo V. I. Dolgikh, and from the duties of the candidate for membership in the Politburo of the Central Committee, P. N. Demichev.
              On September 20, 1989, the Plenum of the Central Committee of the CPSU elected V. A. Kryuchkov as a member of the Politburo of the Central Committee and transferred Yu. D. Maslyukov from candidates for membership in the Politburo of the Central Committee. E. M. Primakov and B. K. Pugo were elected candidates for membership in the Politburo of the Central Committee. The plenum of the Central Committee of the CPSU relieved members of the Politburo V.P. Nikonov, V.M. Chebrikov and V.V.Sherbitsky of their duties in connection with their applications for retirement. Yu. F. Soloviev and N. V. Talyzin were relieved of the duties of candidates for membership in the Politburo in connection with their retirement.
              On December 9, 1989, the Plenum of the Central Committee of the CPSU elected V. A. Ivashko as a member of the Politburo of the Central Committee.
              On July 14, 1990, the Plenum of the CPSU Central Committee elected the Politburo:
              Members: M. S. Gorbachev, M. M. Burokevichyus, G. G. Gumbaridze, S. I. Gurenko, A. S. Dzasokhov, V. A. Ivashko, I. A. Karimov, P. K. Luchinsky, A. M. Masaliev, K. Makhkamov, V. M. Movsisyan, A. N. Mutalibov, N. A. Nazarbayev, S. A. Niyazov, I. K. Polozkov, Yu. A. Prokofiev, A. P. Rubiks, G.V. Semenova, E.-A. A. Sillari, E. E. Sokolov, E. S. Stroyev, I. T. Frolov, O. S. Shenin, G. I. Yanaev

              That "youth" was during the fall of the BS.
              Quote: Beck
              . And the USSR has never had problems because of the Falklands.

              It was not possible a priori (DONYAO, BEFORE the non-proliferation of rocket technologies and delivery vehicles, the pro-fascist regime in Argentina, “But does he need it?” And so on
              And de facto there was no strength to do this, whatever O. Kaptsov would write about the "brilliant leaders of the Navy" and the best fleet in the world
              This is a transcontinental operation: there was no experience or MTO
          2. Kassandra
            Kassandra 5 February 2014 17: 19 New
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            Well, yes, and then he sat "young" and the country was gone.
            elders must rule.
        4. Kassandra
          Kassandra 5 February 2014 17: 06 New
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          either a Frenchman or a Dutchman or a Dane discovered them
          then there lived a family of Argentines and two dozen farm laborers, only one was born on the islands of the Argentine.
          This is an outpost in the Subantarctic and Atlantic Treaty is a shaky treaty.
          the British at the time of the conflict there lived in substantial numbers for 150 years
          The help of the bloc could not be offered since this is not NATO's area of ​​responsibility - the North Athlantic Treaty Organization, this is the South Atlantic. In the Pacific - ASEAN, etc.
          Under the agreement, the United States should have helped Argentina, at least if there had been a raid on its pre-war territory - for sure.
          The USSR was simply neutral. China exported revolutions, and the Argentine junta is generally fascists, moreover pro-American (and all American weapons).
  2. sergey72
    sergey72 16 July 2013 08: 08 New
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    On YouTube there is a good film on this subject - "Is it far to defeat" ... And the Argentines also made the feature film "Lighted by Fire" ...
    1. Seraph
      Seraph 16 July 2013 23: 34 New
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      A really good movie about that war is yet to come, or it won’t be. Few chtol wars leaves no trace in the cinema? And I would like to ....
  3. avt
    avt 16 July 2013 08: 58 New
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    ,, With unexploded bombs, everything is clear - but what would happen if Argentinean players bothered to lengthen the airport runway at the Falklands by preparing a strip for receiving combat Daggers and Skyhows? "===== And here I completely agree! It was not an “heroic”, ordinary business, to engage in engineering, and not defel a steamer of the Second World War along the coast and think of a competent supply system for the islands, followed by anti-sabotage protection of the territory. Then the smut could be provided even with that weapon that was quite specific and the result was would not be unambiguous.
    1. Kassandra
      Kassandra 5 February 2014 17: 58 New
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      if at least one supersonic squadron was placed on the islands, then the British would not have repelled the Falklands. harrier - subsonic.
      Argentines simply wouldn’t let the fleet approach.
  4. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 16 July 2013 10: 09 New
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    The Falklands is the last convulsion of a political corpse called Great Britain, with its prime minister witch at the head.
    1. postman
      postman 17 July 2013 05: 07 New
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      Quote: Standard Oil
      Falklands - last convulsion

      ??

      Country continues maintain a dominant position in the global financial services market.
      In the UK, 3/5 of world trade in international bonds is concentrated (1st place in the world, primary market), 2/5 - foreign assets (1st place) and derivatives (1st place, the so-called “trading through the counter »), A little less than 1/3 of foreign exchange transactions (2nd place after the USA), 1/5 of the international borrowing is carried out (1st place). The most important commodity and stock exchanges in the world are located in London.
      =======
      such a good “corpse”
      1. Kassandra
        Kassandra 5 February 2014 17: 59 New
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        stocked
        every 5th is already on the Island - Nehr
  5. Black
    Black 16 July 2013 13: 10 New
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    Quote: Standard Oil
    The Falklands is the last convulsion of a political corpse called Great Britain, with its prime minister witch at the head.


    I agree with the “witch”. That's just a corpse after the war from Argentina. Its preparation, preparedness, military operations, political and informational support will be included in the annals (both in the literal and very figurative sense) of how the land needs to be p.r.o.s.ep.r.a.t.
    You do not forget who is behind the shaving, and, I note, WILL STAND!
    So rumors, as often happens, are greatly exaggerated.
  6. Doctor Evil
    Doctor Evil 16 July 2013 14: 42 New
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    You can also see the Sea of ​​fire. The death of the Coventry destroyer is shown.
  7. Beck
    Beck 16 July 2013 17: 27 New
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    I’m telling the Falklands military case. In the English army there is an elite battalion of gurkhs, highlanders of Nepal, who became famous in 2 MV fighting against the Japanese.

    When British troops landed, the three dominant heights, in the Falklands, were occupied by Argentine forces. The British were preparing to storm these heights. The English battalions were to take two heights, the Gurkh battalion was the third. The English battalions with battle took their heights. The third height was taken by gurkhs without a fight. Argentine troops at the third height learned that they were being prepared to storm the Gurkhs, and the Argentinean fighters at night left their positions far from the military glory of the highlanders of Nepal.
  8. xomaNN
    xomaNN 16 July 2013 21: 03 New
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    I remember in hot pursuit in that Falklandian battle I was impressed, apart from the successes of the Argentine pilots, and the actions of the Harrier airborne strategic aircraft. I really hoped that our Yak-38s were capable of the same effect in battle. But alas ...
  9. Fibrizio
    Fibrizio 16 July 2013 22: 14 New
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    Eh, the video would still be in the subject. Objective is. And the price would not be an article.
    By the way, consult who is in the subject, because in the 19th century and at the beginning of the 20th, England waged a huge number of wars, where you can see / read in detail about this in Russian. And then I somehow did not find = (
    1. sergey72
      sergey72 17 July 2013 06: 22 New
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      Try typing "Thomas Hardball" ....