NATO asks Ukraine to get rid of 2000 tanks

NATO will offer Ukraine to cut into pieces and to melt the old Soviet Tanks T-64, reports “Capital”, referring to the project manager of NSPA (NATO Logistics Support Agency) in Ukraine Vasyl Litvinchuk.

A NATO delegation will arrive in Kiev at the end of July to discuss this issue. The destruction of tanks will be funded by donor countries under the Trust Fund for the NATO Partnership for Peace program.

As you know, Ukraine has already learned how to modernize these tanks in Bulat T-64BM, which is in service with the Ukrainian army. Thus, T-64 can be upgraded and sold abroad or converted into special equipment. The cost of upgrading one tank costs about $ 460 thousand.

According to the Center for Army Studies, Conversion and Disarmament, there are about 2000 units of excess tank equipment in Ukrainian warehouses, which can potentially be disposed of.

The excess property of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine is estimated at 9 billion hryvnia (about $ 1,25 billion). Last year, surplus property was sold on 310 million UAH ($ 38,75 million).

Money for the destruction of Ukrainian tanks are ready to give the United States. According to Litvinchuk, the States unofficially confirmed their readiness to allocate $ 1 million for the disposal of Ukrainian military equipment.

The NATO Partnership for Peace Trust Fund project began in 2006. Under the project, it is planned to dispose of 12 thousand tons of ammunition and 133 million units of small weapons and light weapons.

Comments

[AlNick]

Laughter, and only.
The United States is ready to give money for the destruction of Ukrainian tanks, and in return, NATO will supply Italian Iveco carts.

[krasin]

NATO will offer Ukraine to cut into pieces and re-melt old Soviet T-64 tanks,

Agreed !? If they were offered to dispose of lard, then they would have bucked

[GreatRussia]

NATO asks Ukraine to get rid of 2000 tanks

So the thing is good.

[Sirocco]

5 +++))))) Ukraine with its power reminds me of a rake disco. Either the memory is short, or the hair is long. Recall the destruction of the nuclear arsenal that Ukraine ultimately has? In the city of Pavlograd, a time bomb. The United States promised as much as it did in this case.

[MG42]

This video is for 2009, then there was a financial crisis in full swing in Ukraine even bigger than now ..

[mark021105]

Quote: Sirocco

5 +++))))) Ukraine with its power reminds me of a rake disco.

And it reminds me of Russia in the 90s ... Is the example of Russia not a lesson for Ukraine?

[Avenger711]

Ukraine from the 90s did not come out.

[Avenger711]

Is the T-64 a good thing? Trash, not a tank.

[knn54]

-Avenger711: Trash, not a tank.
In the March – April 1990 Armor magazine, Captain James Warford, in his article “Evaluating the Soviet T-64 tank,” made the following conclusions about the significance of adopting the T-64 tanks for the Soviet Army:
We still feel how the deployment of the T-64 has affected NATO. As soon as the capabilities of the new tank became known, the Western armies launched programs for the accelerated development and deployment of T-64 countermeasures. These efforts not only lasted several years, but also intensified with the advent in 1984 of the T-64, equipped with reactive armor ...
If the T-64 had entered the battle unexpectedly [for NATO forces] - just as the T-34/76 entered the battle of World War II - the NATO crews would have had to deal with truly innovative, previously unknown weapons. NATO tankers would valiantly fight on their worst tanks - with a gloomy outcome for them ... The deployment of the T-34/76 was the first precedent when the Soviet Army took the enemy by surprise, putting a new, innovative tank on the battlefield. The second time this happened with the T-64. If the T-64 went into battle against NATO tanks of the 1960s and 1970s, it would surely capture superiority on the battlefield. And although the deployment of the T-64 was aimed at the then probable opponents of the USSR [in peacetime rather than wartime], its consequences were disproportionately large and they are felt to this day. The deployment of FST-2 could be the third such episode, and the Soviets will once again stun their opponents with technical superiority. We must study this threat, take a response and defeat it before it gets a chance for the sudden defeat of its opponents in the future fields of the future war ... FST-2, like the T-64, can become a tank that can win the next war ...
-Egoza: But you can’t remake them on tractors?
GPM-64-tracked fire engine, created on the basis of the T-64 tank by engineers of the Kharkov Armored Repair Plant in 2010. The cost of one tank is 1,5 million US dollars. In 2010, the first orders were received from Russia, the USA, Israel, Saudi Arabia and China. It is supposed to issue a state order for 70 cars.

[smile]

GreatRussia
Although kill, but such actions by NATO indicate that they believe Ukraine will draw closer to us. That's why they are trying to lower its military and industrial (in the defense industry) potential. Amazingly successful video! :)))

[wow]

Yes, there is already no fat here, and if it does appear, it is from the Poles or from Argentina and Brazil. Nezalezhniki docked. As for tanks, in our town there is a so-called. "art warehouses". One old rusty mottle, if you look, say, in the engine compartment, you will see the ground.

[Ezhaak]

Quote: yo-mine

One old rusty motlokh, if you look, for example, into the engine compartment, you will see the earth.

Does anger annoy our Ukrainian brothers with the presence of a large number of equipment depots on the territory of the Great SShany ??? Here is one of them
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=AMARG&sll=32.176491,-110.861017
&sspn=0.001053,0.002213&ie=UTF8&ll=32.173469,-110.848918&spn=0.016855,0.035405&t
= h & z = 15

[kirieeleyson]

Quote: Hedgehog

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=AMARG&sll=32.176491,-110.861017

&sspn=0.001053,0.002213&ie=UTF8&ll=32.173469,-110.848918&spn=0.016855,0.035405&t

= h & z = 15

I noticed by the way that a lot of parsing or recycling. And a lot of weird ones, like layouts ... false targets?)

[Samminosh]

Ukraine without fat?
Survived ...

[nycsson]

Quote: AlNick

Laughter, and only.

Quote: krasin

Agreed !? If they were offered to dispose of lard, then they would have bucked

Quote: GreatRussia

So the thing is good.

What are you laughing at? We once destroyed even more tanks ......

Why Russia wants to destroy 10 000 of its tanks

Will there be enough remaining to protect the gigantic territory of the country in the event of a military threat? [discussion]

Not so long ago, with the submission of certain "anonymous sources", sensational news began to wander around Russia: our army is planning to reduce the number of tanks in 11 times - from 22 thousands to 2. Since then, almost every day I hear disturbing reader voices in the editorial handset: “Is this really true? This is wrecking, undermining the defense of the state! ”I hasten to reassure the agitated people: these data are greatly exaggerated. But the fact remains: representatives of the Ministry of Defense recently officially confirmed that half of the military vehicles (and this is more than 10 000) are not needed by the army.

http://www.kp.ru/daily/24449/613385/

[Blackgrifon]

Quote: nycsson

I hasten to reassure the agitated people: these data are greatly exaggerated. But the fact remains: the representatives of the Ministry of Defense recently officially confirmed that half of the military vehicles (and this is more than 10) are not needed by the army.

Almost all equipment that is in storage requires repair. BM for several years, not only without overhaul, but even without a profile. Try to put the car in the garage, carry out conservation and forget about it, and then try to start it after 10-20 years.

[Blackgrifon]

Quote: krasin

If they were offered to dispose of lard, then they would have bucked

Why only they - we would also stand up for a neighbor :)

[225chay]

Quote: AlNick

The United States is ready to give money for the destruction of Ukrainian tanks, and in return, NATO will supply Italian Iveco carts.

Americans simply do not give money. Only for some purpose. Usually with dirty, especially to the Slavs.

[Vovka levka]

Quote: 225chay

Quote: AlNick

The United States is ready to give money for the destruction of Ukrainian tanks, and in return, NATO will supply Italian Iveco carts.

Americans simply do not give money. Only for some purpose. Usually with dirty, especially to the Slavs.

Do not get fooled by a duck.

[avt]

Quote: Vovka Levka

Do not get fooled by a duck.

One such "duck" has already been planted for you, remember well whose money the bombers were sawing.

[mark1]

Quote: avt

One such "duck" has already been planted for you, remember well whose money the bombers were sawing.

The bombers were sawing for a simple reason so that Russia would not get it (a strategic weapon, and we are almost the only threat to America). But now what is the reason? Selling the T-64 is problematic, Ukraine itself does not need them in such quantities, they are disposed of in a "natural" way, why spend money?

[Bronis]

Quote: mark1

Selling the T-64 is problematic, Ukraine itself does not need them in such quantities, they are disposed of in a "natural" way, why spend money?

"Popuasiyam" T-64, even after modernization, can not be sold in large quantities. So this is not competition. Rather, politics. it is clear that officials will try to feed themselves with this money. What the Americans will contribute to. Superfluous connections will not be. And then Ukraine (on occasion) can sell something of its own ...

[Alexander D.]

Quote: mark1

Quote: avt

One such "duck" has already been planted for you, remember well whose money the bombers were sawing.

The bombers were sawing for a simple reason so that Russia would not get it (a strategic weapon, and we are almost the only threat to America). But now what is the reason? Selling the T-64 is problematic, Ukraine itself does not need them in such quantities, they are disposed of in a "natural" way, why spend money?

And how many have you seen utilized T-64 in Ukraine? You write as if you had already seen on TV hundreds of utilized T-64 tanks. Although no, I'm sorry, I really saw on TV dozens and hundreds of utilized T-54/55/62/64 ... only it was all Russian tanks at Russian plants and for Russian money.

[mark1]

Quote: Alexander D.

And how many have you seen utilized T-64 in Ukraine?

I have not seen the reclaimed T-64s in Ukraine at all, apparently because this requires money to be spent (and where are they, damned, to take that), therefore I wrote that they are disposed of naturally, that is, they rot (for a tank this is a long process ) - 80 "Bulatov" does not count.
But Russia is getting rid of junk for its money, and this is normal.
By the way, I looked at Vicki, there are 1500 T-64BV tanks and 600 in the troops in storage. I can’t imagine who they can interfere with, let them stand (stored)

[MG42]

Quote: mark1

But Russia is getting rid of junk for its money, and this is normal.

Russia will not buy Ukrainian because there are many of its own, that's how it is disposed of in Russia

[MG42]

The country needs metal >> photos are clickable, you can also

[Egoza]

Quote: mark1

To sell the T-64 is problematic, Ukraine itself does not need them in such quantities,

But you can’t remake them on tractors? Or what other equipment? And in fact, in winter, drifts - there is nothing to clear! No cars! Or the villages are flooded now, there is no way to get to them ... If they wanted, they would fit in the household!

[mark1]

Quote: Egoza

But you can’t remake them on tractors? Or what other equipment?

You can redo it, but I think. It is better not to clean the roads with such "tractors", one bedding will remain. It is better for the industry, and for road services, if there is an order for new specialized equipment. And the tanks are in reserve and let them stand (mobile. Reserve, source of spare parts, etc.), I am sure that they do not interfere with NATO countries.

[Gorchilin]

450 liters per 100 kilometers, even with a good primer 270. Engine life of 1000 hours (this is if 5TDF). Too expensive and complicated.

Although, there is some point in rationally using the remaining stock of units

[Alexander D.]

Quote: avt

Quote: Vovka Levka

Do not get fooled by a duck.

One such "duck" has already been planted for you, remember well whose money the bombers were sawing.

Ukraine sawed Tu-160 for American money, and Russia for its own.

[NauruS]

you drive, Russia didn’t destroy a single Tu-160 !! on the contrary bought to the Propropians, who began to cut them!

[Corneli]

Quote: NauruS

you drive, Russia didn’t destroy a single Tu-160 !! on the contrary bought to the Propropians, who began to cut them!

Excuse me, but they "drive" d..mo through the pipes, and they are talking to you. And about "cutting" ... Before you get off, find, first, and read the START I (1), START II (1991), and the Budapest Memorandum (2). And they don't know nichrome, they don't remember nichrome, but they star! (

[Corneli]

Quote: avt

Do not get fooled by a duck.
One such "duck" has already been planted for you, remember well whose money the bombers were sawing.

In theory, according to the agreement, they should have been to the Russians, but since Russia did not have money, the amers had to be luxurious ...

[Misantrop]

Quote: Vovka Levka

Do not get fooled by a duck.

... she distracts from a flying goose

[Captain Vrungel]

Yankees don't just do anything. Ukraine should know this (only the modern government will sell both mother and Motherland), Russia should understand. In the sweat of our brow, we destroy, cut, break, destroy, missiles, planes, ships. The Yankees, in the sweat of their brows. "Canned, store, save. Can it be that Russian spy satellites with the ability to read the name of a cigarette in the mouth of amerikos do not see the bays and harbors clogged with ships of all classes, including the commercial fleet, tankers, bulk carriers, station wagons, specialized. Layout airfields with combat aircraft of all classes, including civilian passenger aircraft.
And what, the most annoying, these tanks have already turned into a state of scrap metal. It remains only to cut and sell.
Our Minister of Defense proudly blurted out (and did not cry from grief)
in honor of the Sea Breeze exercises that two Ukrainian ships (no longer exist), the Getman Sagaidachny frigate (formerly the Kirov PSKR) and the Konstantin Olshansky large landing craft, are ready to carry out strategic missions in the World Ocean.
The army will adopt a new secret weapon "combat hopak", which will reduce the army to 70 thousand and make it a contractual one and close the problem with the Armed Forces. The army will scatter. No army, no problem.

[KazaK Bo]

Quote: 225chay

Americans simply do not give money. Only for some purpose. Usually with dirty, especially to the Slavs.

The current "life" of a tank, with modern means of dealing with them, is less than 30 minutes on the battlefield. Therefore, the realization is coming more and more that sometimes it is better to have more cheap tanks (up to 500-700 thousand dollars per unit) than a few, but ultra-modern, terribly expensive (up to 10 million dollars per unit). Especially in third world countries.
And then Ukraine dared to get into the market with a cheap but very decent tank. Who allowed it? Don't let go !!! So they are not allowed ... under the seemingly good program "Cooperation for Peace" ... or whatever ...
MONEY. PROFIT. MONOPOLISM IN THE MARKET. And that's all ... nothing more than personal for the Western capital in the team for the Ukrainian tank builders - "FAS!"

[Avenger711]

But the tanks do not agree with you. Hundreds of millimeters of armor and barrels per decimeter decide you know.

[Samminosh]

What kind of tanks are 500-700 thousand per piece?

[knn54]

225chay: Americans simply do not give money.
T-64s have the HIGHEST MODERNIZING POTENTIAL. Thanks to its unique undercarriage, its cross-country ability, especially in mud, mud road ... HIGHER than the T-72, T-80, and T-90.
"T-64BV / B1" with a 125-mm gun with a cannon for firing guided missiles. THEY meet the criteria for waging war in the context of the use of weapons of mass destruction, and are capable of long marches under water The fire control system was successfully borrowed and on the "T-80" it is much more perfect than the "T-72" control system (while the main tank of the Russian and Belarusian armies). The gun loading mechanism provides a higher rate of fire for a tank gun and a larger capacity of ammunition ready for firing than the T-72 (T-90) ...
The T-64BM “Bulat” has development prospects: the 6TD-1 engine can be installed in the engine compartment, and the power reserve of the chassis allows the installation of active, passive and dynamic protection systems. And topical - the installation of thermal imaging and panoramic sights. It will be no worse than Oplot.
WHY THAT is not asked to "recycle" the Ukrainian "T-72" and "T-80" ...
And the plan for the disarmament of the country is presented as "Partnership for Peace".
Although ... the competitor is being removed, and then their decommissioned rubbish "NATO STANDARD" is being plugged in and obviously not cheap.
PS "Planet Shelezyaka". There are no minerals. No water ... NO ARMY, NO WEAPONS ???

[Avenger711]

T-64 throws back the tracks in the mud, it has long been known to everyone, because the whole world sits on the T-72 and the T-64 in the Russian army is no longer there, they went for re-melting. Because they are not combat-ready.

Why did the Americans suddenly remember about these pieces of iron in general it is not clear, they just stood and rotted, periodically lighting up at launches. Nobody even buys them, only T-72 for export. Regarding the loading mechanism, is there a large projection of shells and a lot of flaws, or do you think that there were fools at UVZ that you decided to throw this crap out and make your own?

The T-64 has no prospects. Over 20 years of release, it has not been brought to mind.

[Tektor]

The T-64 was too revolutionary for its time ... But they decided to go for a simpler option - the T-72, although the latter had some parameters that were significantly worse, in particular - protection against WMD.
If you really can make Bulat from the T-64, then disposing of it is a sin: you can make money on sales. Yes, in addition, against some armies and the T-64 will do.

[svp67]

Quote: Avenger711

T-64 in the dirt caterpillars recline

This tale has long been not relevant for T64 ...

[svp67]

Quote: Avenger711

Regarding the loading mechanism, is there a large projection of shells and a lot of flaws, or do you think that there were fools at UVZ that you decided to throw this crap out and do your own?

That is, do you think that such fools were Leningrad designers who created the T80?

[svp67]

Quote: knn54

Thanks to its unique undercarriage, its cross-country ability, especially in mud, mud road ... HIGHER than the T-72, T-80, and T-90.

Not true - the T80 with GTE has better cross-country ability
And also this is not a complete truth, since the T72 has better cross-country ability in mountainous conditions and in sands ..

Quote: knn54

"T-64BV / B1" with 125-mm with a gun that allows you to fire guided missiles

We use the KUV (guided weapons complex) on these tanks a long time ago and most importantly, the missiles for these complexes were launched in the USSR and all their shelf life has long expired, but not the first time ... So, they have nothing to shoot ...

[knn54]

Sergey.
-T72 has the best passability in mountain conditions and on sand.
I spoke about the autumn-winter thaw, which is relevant for the European theater of operations. And according to a friend of the tanker, firing at the refusal of the Ministry of Defense by manually loading the t-72 is practically impossible. For mountains and sands, it is better to take MTLBu.IMHO as a basis.
- Regarding "everything obsolete" - see T-64BM "Bulat".
PS And who cares, http: //btvt.narod.ru/4/t-64_t-72.htm

[svp67]

Quote: knn54

- Regarding "everything obsolete" - see T-64BM "Bulat".

So talk about Т64БМ, in tank building each letter in the name is very important. You talked about T64BV ...

[svp67]

Quote: knn54

"T-64" have the HIGHEST MODERNIZING POTENTIAL.

Nonsense - not a little more than T72 and T80 ...

Quote: knn54

T-64BM “Bulat” has development prospects: in the engine compartment you can install the 6TD-1 engine,

So what, judging by the current situation, the T72 is more advanced - it has B46, B84, B93 installed in the MTO, as well as 5TDF. But in MTO T64 it is more problematic to put the "B" series engine ...

[Nevsky]

Are you guys crazy? NATO and the USA want good for us, that's the reason why tanks ask :

[omsbon]

Old tradition, but hard to believe!
God forbid us from their protection!

[11Goor11]

It looks like a bandit who, with a gun in his hand, demands that his victim turn his back and kneel - so it’s more convenient for him to shoot.

[kosmos44]

$ 1 million for the disposal of Ukrainian military equipment.

1 million cut paperfor the disposal of Ukrainian military equipment.

[mark1]

Gentlemen, do not get fooled by misinformation! Those who will spend money on recycling old trash, these tanks are not competitors in the market because they haven’t been delivered to anyone or where (they simply will not be bought by anyone) and all the more they do not pose a military threat to NATO (2 weeks before La Mansha will not reach)

[avdkrd]

T64 tanks are just competitors, since they have a fairly large modernization potential. In peacetime, you can twist your tail ... and in the military and pre-war everything and everything is modernized, for example, Israel, which enthusiastically exploits after modernization both the T54-55 and the Centurions, and during the first Arab-Israeli conflict it successfully applied the Messerschmites whether from Chekhov, or from the Germans. By itself, even without modernization, the T64 is a good machine (with its own cockroaches, but who doesn’t have them?) And it has its own niche both in combined arms combat and in low-intensity conflicts. It all depends on the tactics of application. it is clear that as an anti-tank weapon he is obviously a coffin for the crew, and as fire support, it’s even nothing. The modernization options offered by Ukrainian plants look very promising and are able to compete with budget options for more modern tanks, albeit in a different price niche. ihmo

[mark1]

Quote: avdkrd

T64 tanks are just competitors, since they have a fairly large modernization potential.

Who are they competitors? At what tender were they offered, the delegations of which states came to be interested in these machines? Of the new tanks "Oplot" found its niche, of the used tanks on the market there are T-72s (which they exploited and know), Western models of the form of all sorts of used "leopards", etc. I just do not list. Yes - the T-64 is a good tank, but it is difficult for him to find an operator other than the Ukrainian army, the negroes will not pull due to the complexity, the developed countries will take something newer.
Then, do you seriously believe that it costs 2000 tanks ready to dash for the enemy? Most likely this is 2000 units of trash, which in order to sell must first be brought to mind.

[Kars]

Quote: AlNick

The United States is ready to give money for the destruction of Ukrainian tanks, and in return, NATO will supply Italian Iveco carts.

To begin with, they haven’t arrived yet. In the future, they won’t deliver any Iveco, because it makes no sense and is expensive. Regarding the disposal, you need to look at the inventory that you can re-melt it, but it’s vryatli 2000 and vryatli it T-64. Russia will utilize its T for free -64.
the market for used tanks under the T-64 vryatli will be more than 1000 units. In principle, there is no one. But damn the Germans and the Dutch dumping the sale Leopards 2)))

And it is not clear why the photo in the article is not correct?

[afire]

Is it all so trite . Cut and everything is fine, but experience does not teach anything? Although what am I talking about, they have their own developmental path-Ropean ((.
As an option - to conduct exercises near the Crimea, slightly enter the territory of Ukraine from land. The agents liquidate the top, guys - the country needs to be bailed out, they extinguish it. The Americans claim official non-interference with a friendly country with all that it implies.

nonsense of course, but it's impossible to look at it, I want to stop the destruction of the country

[Kars]

Quote: afire

Cut and everything is fine, but experience nothing to teach

Your experience? And cancellation of technology is a banal routine, especially so old.

Quote: afire

. The agents liquidate the top, guys - the country needs to be bailed out, they extinguish it.

And where did you get the idea that your top is better than ours?

Quote: afire

nonsense of course, but it's impossible to look at it, I want to stop the destruction of the country

Nada what compassionate))))) 0

[Dober]

Quote: Kars

nada what compassionate

Kars! A man sincerely worries about you, Ukrainians (Russians) like many here. Do not you understand? Nahamil ...
Your knowledge of some issues is not disputed here, but concern for the Slavs is expressed. And you ... This is not good. So they can "turn away".

[Kars]

Quote: Dober

Kars! A man sincerely worries about you, Ukrainians (Russians) like many here

And why would I believe this? A survivor who wants to bring his grace by military means.

Quote: Dober

So they can "turn away"

what has been done in fact, how we are going through it, despite the active .. putting sticks in wheels .. sometimes even at a loss to ourselves (RF)

[afire]

This is exactly what I talked about in this post about atrocities and covering up these atrocities with the struggle for the independence of their countries, despite the fact that these countries were already occupied by the Nazis, but these fought ... with Soviet people
http://topwar.ru/30705-tragediya-volyni-pochemu-slozhno-verit-polyakam.html#comm
ent-id-1326518
Unfortunately, these people cannot be persuaded, and in any, God forbid, military conflict, they (such people) will stick a knife in the back, albeit from a "friendly" western Ukraine.
A survivor who spoke of covert actions in which people would not be hurt in any way! Hear forever the way you like, turn everything upside down in order to become sufferers and cause pity. Belarusians in the Second World War especially felt your pity.
And where did you get the idea that I'm worried about Ukrainians? I’m worried about Russia, as your zapadents dance on the bones of my grandfathers, one of whom is buried in the Kruglik farm near the Mius River. He died liberating Ukraine. It is unpleasant for me that you are throwing mud at my country, at the same time, covering your eyes with a pink rag, you are killing your own. And that is exactly what I would like to stop.

[Kars]

Quote: afire

Unfortunately, these people cannot be persuaded, and in any, God forbid, military conflict, they (such people) will stick a knife in the back, albeit from a "friendly" western Ukraine.

Without classifying yourself as ultra-nationalists, is it just interesting how this is a knife in the back? If you are going to fight with us to bring your prosperity?

Quote: afire

A survivor who spoke of covert actions in which people would not be hurt in any way!

Well, yes, of course, it won’t be))) we had at least no wars after gaining independence, so do not tell you about hurt peoples.

Quote: afire

Hear forever the way you like, turn everything upside down in order to become sufferers and cause pity. Belarusians in the Second World War especially felt your pity

Well, of course, there were no Russian police units, Vlasov’s army was not, and in punitive detachments there was no national team of Salyanka of nationalities of the USSR.

Quote: afire

And where did you get the idea that I'm worried about Ukrainians? I’m worried about Russia, as your zapadents dance on the bones of my grandfathers, one of whom is buried in the Kruglik farm near the Mius River. He died liberating Ukraine

And mine defended Leningrad at the Senyavinsky heights, and remained an invalid with one lung further what? The other reached the Koenigberg, and six more of their brothers fought.

Quote: afire

And that is exactly what I would like to stop.

First, stop the resident of the country for whose money Mikhalkov took off Burnt by the Sun 2.
You are a typical representative of a Veo-Russian chauvinist who sees a speck in someone else's eye, while his logs are unnoticed. But at the same time, he will sympathize with others with an arrogant look.

[afire]

Your arguments look blasphemous against the backdrop of Nazi tricks in your country, go ahead - do what you want, only then don’t whine that they hate you. You are building yourself as a truth-seeker, and under this you do not notice that you are defending Nazi sentiments by rejecting our claims to end this. I am finishing the discussion, I have nothing to talk about with you, since you are an independent Ukrainian and we have no right to tell you.

[Kars]

Quote: afire

Your arguments look blasphemous against the background of Nazi tricks in your country

Well, of course, we all go with swastikas. And the fact that the OUN-UPA was silent does not make sense, as well as rowing them all under one comb.

Quote: afire

what you want, only then don’t whine that they hate you.

Have I ever whined? And I personally don’t need everyone to love me, it’s better if they don’t touch and climb with their ..benefits .. like wolves in the sheep's clothing of capitalism.

Quote: afire

You are making yourself a truth-maker and you don’t notice that you are defending Nazi sentiments by rejecting our claims to end this

chauvinism is also a subspecies of Nazism,

Quote: afire

I am finishing the discussion, I have nothing to talk about with you, since you are an independent Ukrainian and we have no right to tell you.

So it would be from the very beginning.

[elenasvetlova]

Go to the correspondent.net and read what your fellow citizens write in comments, you will find a lot of confirmations of words afire, your attempts to appear independent look so stupid that they cause laughter, especially against the background of the events that take place in / in (not important) Ukraine.
Love to dance on a rake (someone here put it that way). We will look - as they say - on your forehead.

[Kars]

Quote: elenasvetlova

Go to the correspondent.net and read what your fellow citizens write in comments,

Here, too, there are --- quickly become marshals.

Quote: elenasvetlova

your attempts to seem independent look so stupid that they make you laugh

You see, it’s already good - laughter prolongs life. Although, of course ... it’s up to you .. it’s beautifully screwed up, especially for the country, holding their reserve fund in US Treasury bonds, and differing from Ukraine only in large size, and that after the plunder remains more.

Quote: elenasvetlova

We will look - as they say - on your forehead.

We’ll see, but as for tanks, you won’t cut 2000

[elenasvetlova]

Quote: Kars

Here, too, there are --- quickly become marshals.

Show us your comments on that portal or your nickname to understand who you really are, I'm afraid you're a wolf in sheep's clothing here, gaining points (Marshal!), And the correspondent is an ardent Russophobe.

[Kars]

Quote: elenasvetlova

Show us your comments on that portal or your nickname

I am not there, because I prefer the military theme. By the way, I went to see, did not find an article. By tag T-64

Quote: elenasvetlova

to understand who you really are,

read my comments here --- there are a lot of them.

Quote: elenasvetlova

scoring points (Marshal!), and the correspondent is an ardent Russophobe.

here, by the way, many chauvinists call me Russophobe.

[elenasvetlova]

Since you are not on the correspondent, then what is it about? I thought about yourself-Here, too, there are --- quickly become marshals..
Somehow quickly you turn on the back ... I also have nothing more to talk about with you, you yap.
The thief screams, keep the thief - it's about you, because -
Chauvinism (Fr. chauvinisme), comes from the name of Nicolas Chauvin (Fr. Nicolas Chauvin) - a semi-mythical soldier in the army of Napoleon Bonaparte. Presumably took part in the French Revolution and the Napoleonic Wars (1799-1815). Despite the unpopularity of Bonapartism during the Bourbon restoration period after 1815, Chauvin was narrated as an ardent supporter of Napoleon, wearing a violet in his lapel, which was a sign of devotion to his deposed emperor. According to the myth, Chauvin remained fanatically faithful, despite poverty, disability and insults. He idolized the emperor, considered him right in everything and was ready to fight with the whole world on his side.
This term clearly does not suit me, but you apparently have no idea about chauvinism and use it to everyone you dislike) good luck, the brave man of the invisible front))))) Prove that you are a "man" - answer last.

[Kars]

Quote: elenasvetlova

Oh shouting, keep the thief - it's about you, because -

Okay, I’ll clarify Great-Russian chauvinism.

Quote: elenasvetlova

) good luck, the brave man of the invisible front))))) Prove that you are a "man" - answer last.

Thank you. And what do you want me to not answer you? Why then write, engage in dialogue?

And as I understand it, will you not read my comments? For the sake of interest, you would start from the first.

[Kars]

Quote: elenasvetlova

They got it because, your essence is a dispute, to argue.

Yes, I am like this.

Quote: elenasvetlova

I'm tired already, fuck ... b

what a rude girl.

Quote: elenasvetlova

but flowing to Natsik, you will cause anger and hatred among the Russians.

I’ll tell you honestly talking on this resource and meeting Russians similar to afire, Alexey Prikazchikov, Avenger711 and so on (I noticed you for the first time) I begin to understand them (Natsik) much better, while I treat Russians very well as a nation, especially in memory WWII and the USSR.


And since here is an article about Ukraine, and especially tanks, how can I pass by? At the same time, many people are trying to transfer the military component to the national-political one. Especially remembering NATO, even though the Russian Federation communicates with it more closely than with Ukraine, conducts exercises, gives corridors to Afghanistan.

[MG42]

Why did you think that I am a hidden Nazi? When are you already banned for your mockery of the Russian language. In Ukraine, Azarov speaks better Ukrainian than you write in Russian. Fade the flower Kars, as you were a Russophobe, you stayed, and that I am a Nazi you cannot prove by login, read the comments. StolzSS is there such a "proud of the SS"? not showing me their clowns = Bandera with a hammer and sickle tattoo on his forehead and Misanthrope still presented ?? absolutely ramsa confused svidomo miserable ..
Dry and don’t mention my login, you’re tired of it already!

[MG42]

Restless clown, but I like a girl with a machine gun, and what have you proved by this? Hardware >>> go to Kars you know where >>> more than once you have apparently been sent, .. sorry for some words the site does not miss ..

[Kars]

Quote: elenasvetlova

Since you are not on the correspondent, then what is it about? I thought about yourself -There are such ones too --- quickly become marshals ..

I will explain

Quote: elenasvetlova

they write about yours fellow citizens in comments, you will find a lot of confirmation of the words afire, your attempts to seem independent look so stupid

There are similar fellow citizens on the VO website. Many are now with the flag of the USSR. There is a hidden Nazi MG-42 (nickname like a German Hitler’s scythe machine gun), Misanthrope is a former submariner, there are also representatives here (on this thread.)

That's clearer?

[Kars]

MG42 UA Today, 17:19 | NATO asks Ukraine to get rid of 2000 tanks
What makes you think that I am a hidden Nazi? laughing When are you already banned for your mockery of the Russian language. In Ukraine, Azarov speaks better Ukrainian than you write in Russian. Fade the flower Kars, as you were a Russophobe, you stayed, and that I am a Nazi you cannot prove by login, read the comments. StolzSS is there such a "proud of the SS"? not to me showing their clown = Bandera with a hammer and sickle tattoo on his forehead wassat and Misanthrope still presented ?? absolutely ramsy beguiled svidomo unfortunate ..
Dry and don’t mention my login, you’re tired of it already!

about the ban, contact the administration.

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[Corneli]

Quote: Dober

Kars! A man sincerely worries about you, Ukrainians (Russians) like many here. Do not you understand? Nahamil ...
Your knowledge of some issues is not disputed here, but concern for the Slavs is expressed. And you ... This is not good. So they can "turn away". hi

I'm certainly not CARS, but I didn't understand the "feelings" ...

Quote: afire

although what I mean, they have their own developmental path-Ropeian ((.

... Ropean (as I understand it, the letter "G" is missing) Commentator "is sincerely worried about" gays "?

Quote: afire

As an option - to conduct exercises near the Crimea, slightly enter the territory of Ukraine from land.

I won't say anything about Crimea, but you can "slightly" enter the territory of my apartment in Kiev ... I'll shoot like a dog ... I'll win a pancake.

Quote: afire

Agent liquidates the top

Pobedun version 2.0
P.S. So what is this scribbler talking about? calling them gay, threatening to "enter" the territory of a sovereign country (for the alleged destruction of old tanks) and destruction of the government? And CARS, after that boor?)

[Cynic]

Quote: Kars

second-hand tank market for T-64 vryatli will be more than 1000 units

Is this not money?

[Kars]

Quote: Cynic

Is this not money?

?

[svp67]

Komorowski was attacked by a resident of Zaporozhye with an egg

Are you all so desperate in Zaporozhye? Dneproges or what else affects?

[Avenger711]

What have not yet sold a single one? Yes, because no one needs the T-64.

[Corneli]

Quote: Avenger711

What have not yet sold a single one? Yes, because no one needs the T-64.

It’s a pity you do not live in the USSR, in '67 ... you would be shot)

[Geisenberg]

Quote: AlNick

Laughter, and only.
The United States is ready to give money for the destruction of Ukrainian tanks, and in return, NATO will supply Italian Iveco carts.

That's right 314ndosy do everything. Why do they need a country in which the armed forces have their own equipment? It is urgent to destroy everything and sell abrams there.

[Bronis]

Quote: AlNick

USA ready to give money to destroy Ukrainian tanks

Until recently, they gave us money, so that we cut the nuclear submarines and pour the mines with concrete ...
And the British ... and the Norwegians ...

[Interface]

What is it to us? Let them write off when they run out and ask the "Zhidomosk-lei". Or NATO. In any case, the "throwing" of Ukraine from side to side pretty much gets on the nerves, personally, I would like the denouement to come as soon as possible: we (now we are no longer a Jewish woman, but a "brother") or they.

PS
It is very strange why NSPA asks Ukraine to write off tanks. This is happening with countries that join NATO, whose equipment does not fit Western standards.

[Corneli]

Quote: Interface

PS
It is very strange why NSPA asks Ukraine to write off tanks. This is happening with countries that join NATO, whose equipment does not fit Western standards.

You know better:
Bulgaria - 301 T-72
Hungary - 30 T-72
Macedonia - 31 T-72AG
Poland - 584 T-72, T-72M1D, T-72M1
Slovakia - 69 T-72M
Croatia - 3 T-72M
Czech Republic - 124 T-72 and 30 T-72M4CZ
ATTENTION!!!
USA - 86 units of T-72)
Amerikosov wrote for fun (it’s clear why they need these tanks) But the rest are EU / NATO countries, the former Warsaw Pact, for 2012

[Hunghuz]

Maybe it’s better to cut another aircraft carrier into needles again? or reminisce on a shatka of fat of a similar size ........... ???

[Apologet.Ru]

"Timeo Danaos et dona ferentes" - "Fear Danians bringing gifts."
The experience of more than two decades shows that if the Indians begin financing any project on the military equipment of the republics of the former Soviet Union, then this is done on the basis of the interests of P.Indostan first of all and only then the owner of the equipment, if for the latter there is any be good. P. indosov “daddy doesn’t kiss mom for just that”, but here

unofficially confirmed their readiness to allocate $ 1 million for the disposal of Ukrainian military equipment.

And this with their current military budget savings ?! It follows the logical conclusion that, either after the modernization of tanks or some alterations of the T-64 platform, they can create problems in the arms market for the Indians or their allies, or, more likely, the Indians are simply not sure of the successful associated membership Of Ukraine in the Union of European States ...

[starshina78]

In, in! Exactly! The states just don't do anything. Now they offer Ukraine to dispose of their tanks, and later they will offer for purchase their "Abrams", which are gathering dust in their warehouse.

[nokki]

Like: "Guys! Here's some soap and a rope. And you yourself can somehow hang yourself ..."

[Tersky]

Quote: nokki

Like: "Guys! Here's some soap and a rope. And you yourself can somehow hang yourself ..."

..and who will knock out a stool ? No way without their help .. .

[waisson]

here we were once given money for the destruction of missiles and what happened as a result, and as for the carts, you noticed exactly

[Vitaly Anisimov]

So what say the Ukrainian brothers .. ??? Will you perform or how .. ???

[Rus2012]

Quote: MIKHAN

So what say the Ukrainian brothers .. ??? Will you perform or how .. ???

this is what they can do. It’s unprofitable to maintain so many tanks.
But what about LGBT people? Otherwise, the EU will not take it ... even in associative membership :)

[GHG]

The Ukrainian "elite" will drink everything ... and Western grandmothers and tanks. The question is, why does the West give its hard-earned money when they themselves "don't eat at home ... th"?

[roial]

For a lemon then ?? Do not make me laugh.

[alex86]

The scheme is the same as for the USSR - America provides paper that can be printed in any quantity, in return Ukraine will destroy material assets that cannot be restored for the same money. Here's how to be able to fight - bloodless and with minimal material losses. That and we cut OTR, Mi-26 and other, and other ..
Or maybe to buy these tanks for the same lemon bucks - the cars are not bad?

[orff]

The FRS employees have a list of "bucks for Ukraine". Half a shift, the FRS machines worked - 2000 tanks were destroyed. And earlier, all Tu-22Ms in Ukraine were cut, there are so many underwater strategists in Russia, there are so many launchers! It was created for decades and was a shield that was wrapped in American candy wrappers and thrown into a landfill out of sight.

[shiyanov.denis]

Yes, to disarm Ukraine, and then attack it, here are NATO plans !!!

[kamenval]

Thus, destroy the buffer zone between Europe and Russia.

[Airman]

Quote: kamenval

Thus, destroy the buffer zone between Europe and Russia.

They do not want to be a "buffer" zone, they want NATO and Geyrop.

[Corneli]

Quote: Povshnik

They do not want to be a "buffer" zone, they want NATO and Geyrop.

You clearly know better ...
P.S. from the cellar ...

[mark1]

Quote: shiyanov.denis

Yes, to disarm Ukraine, and then attack it, here are NATO plans !!!

+ For the humor.

[serioga]

Americans need instability on the borders with Russia, and in case of military operations 2000 old tanks can be set as false targets and it turns out that they will have 2000 missiles in their arsenal (for them it is a very expensive disposal), they’re tearing their asses up.

[mark1]

Quote: serioga

Merikos need instability on the borders with Russia, and in case of military operations 2000 old tanks can be set as false targets and it turns out that they will have in their arsenal - 2000 missiles (for them it is a very expensive disposal), and they tear their asses.

Ostap carried ... and 2000 inflatable mock-ups will not save the giant of thought?

[FC SKIF]

I remember, good amers gave the money to cut our submarines. It was like helping build democracy. Now it's ukrov's turn to demacratize.

[Thunderbolt]

Rebuild 2.0? Reboot?

NATO Partnership for Peace Trust Fund Project

One wants to say: if you want peace, get ready for war!

[pensioner]

The states have unofficially confirmed their readiness to allocate $ 1 million for the utilization of Ukrainian military equipment.
Yes, they will not spare money for the utilization of the country. They will start with tanks ...

[Vitaly Anisimov]

To Syria would transport them !! Tipo for disposal for the money USA hehe ...

[bomg.77]

tanks cost 1,25 billion, and amers want to give 1 million for destruction and leave without money and without protection

[Vitaly Anisimov]

The tanks are old but remote .. If this armada rushes to the West, it will not seem a little ..

[11 black]

Quote: MIKHAN

The tanks are old but remote .. If this armada rushes to the West, it will not seem a little ..

yes no - without upgrading to the level of "Bulat" these tanks are already just a target, which is inferior in all respects to the Leopards and Leclercs of the latest models, and even protection from modern grenade launchers is at zero it will seem to the armada ... be realistic - it's not 90 or at least 80, 60 was created in the 1960s and has long been morally obsolete.
And the Ukrainians will most likely agree to cut the tanks - in their current form they are not capable of fighting, and they will not have enough money to upgrade all 2000 to the level of "Bulat" ...

[orff]

junk armored has accumulated a lot in the world. however, the states do not issue such grants to the Germans, French, Dutch, and other allies. because tanks are an instrument of political influence in the region. they give their trash for IMF money to some African country and know that they will also resort to rembases. It’s a good business in which you have to crush competitors by all means. and UKRAINE has already learned how to junk and sell junk to Asian and African countries.

[pensioner]

The excess property is $ 1,25 billion. They give $ 1 million for disposal (benefactors ...). Thus, $ 1 should be disposed of (destroyed) property at $ 1250. What is it like??? A look, or what? Or by the power of thought? I don’t understand ... Enlighten.

[mirag2]

No need to be carried out, in any case! They’ll upgrade-sell somewhere in Ghana, or Kenya, or some other poor country, more than you can get NATO handouts. But here’s politics: a quiet LGBT march, so
that they can try, hoping to become part of the EU. But if this happens, Ukraine will turn into a market for the sale of European goods, they will suck it out. Take a look, for example, Greece, there used to be Greek olive oil (I bought it then) made in Delphi, and the EU parliament (or some other organ there) considered that the European Union had enough olive oil, which is produced in Italy, and that's all, the Greeks had to abandon their groves of olives. And there the whole economy is regulated in this way. Therefore, the main producers and sellers of their goods there now those who is spending more on lava to support the EU bureaucracy. All preferences went to Germany, and to historically close countries such as the Volksdeutsche. In short, no one will buy anything Ukrainian there. Only land and resources (and resources on the basis of their development to get their share). That's it.
My aunt lives in Estonia, they also thought at first (my aunt is Russian, they don’t hurt their work, but they need to know the language, they just don’t have work, but what is cheap) Estonians, we’ll type environmentally friendly oil on our farms , we’ll fill up sour cream-Europe, we’ll make money, horseradish, nobody needs their oil there. No money — to work in Norway and England, my cousin went and worked there as a welder. Here, in Latvia and Lithuania, millions thought to us the same tourists come (like from the USSR before) -hren. And they are glad-radeshenki that some of our festival in Jurmala Gadfly.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

It’s better to go to Europe to work in these tanks ...

[Alex Nick]

As you know, Ukraine has already learned to upgrade these tanks in the T-64BM Bulat, which is in service with the Ukrainian army. Thus, the T-64 can be upgraded and sold abroad or converted into special equipment. Why is it to kill a chicken that will lay a golden egg, huh?

[Coward]

Because the chicken is laying the golden egg in the wrong chicken coop. And it looks like 999 eggs, once fussed.

[family tree]

Take the money! Hide a quarter of the tanks. Give the inspectors some vodka, but don't give lard for a snack! Cucumbers will cost. When they get to the condition, shove the papers for signature. More to drink. Stuff the face of the inspectors. The next day, drive to NATO, pick up 30 lyams, which, according to the results of the check, are necessary for further "disposal".

[77bob1973]

They wanted to NATO-get it, or else it will be.

[pensioner]

Quote: perepilka

Take the money! Hide a quarter of the tanks. Give the inspectors some vodka, but don't give lard for a snack! Cucumbers will cost. When they get to the condition, shove the papers for signature. More to drink. Stuff the face of the inspectors. The next day, drive to NATO, pick up 30 lyams, which, according to the results of the check, are necessary for further "disposal".

Normal plan. Gorilka and cucumbers may turn out to be superfluous ... If Karlsson is appointed to a meeting of inspectors ... The feeling that after such a meeting there will still be many blank forms on hand. With signatures. And they will search for inspectors for a long time in Europe. get out from under the beds ...

[dimon-media]

What is a million dollars for the state? This is nothing. As for me and for you 1 ruble. If these same tanks (2000 pieces) are handed over to ferrous metal for scrap at a bargain price, the revenue will be much larger. Count yourself, if you do not believe it :)

[awg75]

but I think they will agree --- lick so lick

[Alex Nick]

lick so lickmillion for grease for the tongue?

[buywol]

And in Ukraine, such power. Strategic bombers sawed, nuclear missiles were sawed, now tanks. So now sell all of Ukraine to the Yankees and you will live "happily and in abundance."

[slvevg]

Rather, they will agree for another loan or contract, it’s not about the American handout, but about access to some resources, ensuring the legitimacy of power ...
The joke is terribly stripped down. In Ukraine, the grandson is interested in his grandfather:
- Grandfather, who are the Russians?
-Russian are those who live in Russia.
-And who are they?
- These are Russians living in Ukraine and who are building the Ukrainian State.
- Who are the Jews?
- Those who live in Israel.
-Who are these train?
-This is the Jews living in Ukraine and together with mine build the Ukrainian State.
- Who are the Ukrainians?
- These are those who live and work around the world, honor and preserve traditions, language.
-Who are they?
-This is the Ukrainians living in Ukraine, and preventing my mothers and mothers from building the Ukrainian State!

[dustycat]

Why do mattresses need legitimate power in Ukraine ?!
It is troublesome and expensive to change it.

[Smersh]

And Ukraine is still doing this.

[I am a Russian]

Quote: Smersh

And Ukraine is still doing this.

someone wants money

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: 11 black

Quote: MIKHAN

The tanks are old but remote .. If this armada rushes to the West, it will not seem a little ..

yes no - without upgrading to the level of "Bulat" these tanks are already just a target, which is inferior in all respects to the Leopards and Leclercs of the latest models, and even protection from modern grenade launchers is at zero it will seem to the armada ... be realistic - it's not 90 or at least 80, 60 was created in the 1960s and has long been morally obsolete.
And the Ukrainians will most likely agree to cut the tanks - in their current form they are not capable of fighting, and they will not have enough money to upgrade all 2000 to the level of "Bulat" ...

I agree of course .. I remember a comrade telling a tanker in the GDR he was serving ... Several hundred tanks were driven up to the border and the engines started at high speeds to drive the roar all over Germany .. Psychologically it worked very well if NATO began to become impudent .. The targets are good of course (with the current armament) but if suddenly they rush without getting involved in the battle, the Atlantic half gets ironed and thundering in its path (God forbid of course it's just my imagination) and yet ..

[dvvv]

Quote: MIKHAN

. They are good targets, of course (with the current armament), but if they suddenly rush without getting involved in the battle, the half will reach the Atlantic ironing and crushing everything in its path (God forbid, of course, these are just my fantasies) and yet ..

- just like Zhirik boots to wash in the Indian, and you in the Atlantic))) Will you go yourself in some tank if that?) If you even assume that this is possible, although not of course, then why such thoughts now? The times of Genghis Khan when it is possible to seize and collect tribute for 400 years and women of rape have passed many centuries ago

[uizik]

Amer so quietly "utilize and privatize" Ukrainu. However, none of the Svidomo resist. Waiting for freebies!

[VkadimirEfimov1942]

That's right, everything is according to a long-term program after the defeat of the USSR in the Cold War: "... so that even a non-communist and nominally friendly to us (Anglo-Saxons) regime:
a) did not have great military power,
b) economically depended heavily on the outside world,
c) did not have serious power over the main national minorities ... "(August 18, 1948, the US National Security Council)
Everything is now going according to plan on the territory of the former USSR (the Slavic community is the most painful problem for the Anglo-Saxons during these last one and a half millennia). And they do not care what regime the Eastern Slavs have in power. Another "crusade" against the recalcitrant Slavs is being prepared!

[Grishka100watt]

Klas. Make friends with NATO lads.

[Turner]

So what to do? Party said NADO Komsomol answered IS

[Siberian]

It would be necessary for Ukraine to offer the Americans to dispose of their ABRAMS, so 1000 pieces and a little hryvnia to give them.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

If something the West offers ... you need to do exactly the opposite !!! (verified)

[AndreyAB]

Lord, gentlemen from the outskirts, history does not teach anything, and after all, the states never give anything just like that, and even more so, long-range aviation has been destroyed, now tanks will be destroyed, industry has practically been destroyed, what's next? Yes, and with theirs masters the nationalists of the West, who never led to anything good Ukrainians, they lay down under everyone and did not bring anything good to the people, now they are dragging them under the "enlightened" blue west and will join their culture, what will it lead to as It is always known that a handful of Western Natsiks outraged the entire Ukrainian people, and in the Rada they only knead each other, eh, Russian Slavic brothers from the outskirts would think where to go.

[Gooch]

It will be more profitable to sell them to some Cameroon than to recycle

[serge]

Following the utilization of the army, the question naturally arises of the utilization of the people occupying the territory needed by the Americans.

[stroporez]

so it will be. and then the Ukrainians have become completely insolent, they live on black soil and chew lard ----- no civilization ........... a strong Ukraine is not needed for the "world community" nafik. if this is what someone needs --- then only to the same Slavs --- Russia, Belarus ...... so sho-flag in hand - I think more than once remember Bandera scum, when "common people" come to reduce the population ...........

[Navy7981]

There is a planned disarmament of Ukraine with subsequent occupation. Motive - protection from evil Russia. Ukraine will simply have nothing to defend.

[Warrawar]

Quote: Navy7981

There is a planned disarmament of Ukraine with subsequent occupation. Motive - protection from evil Russia. Ukraine will simply have nothing to defend.

Who knows, maybe there is a certain agreement between the West and Russia on the disarmament of VGN404 for its further "bloodless" tearing apart in pieces, in accordance with the terms of the agreement.

[Jorg]

The Americans are trying to preventively rule out the possibility of future saturation of the third or 4th countries with more or less combat-ready equipment.
Why?
Modernization also stimulates OP and related industries.
2000 tanks multiplied by 455 thousand dollars (ideally of course) - the amount is not bad.
Well, sales prospects also promise something, although here it seems the main thing is still loading orders of the corresponding capacities.
Conclusion, of course America and others like them do not need a strong Ukraine (in any respect)

[Kars]

Quote: Jorg

2000 tanks multiplied by 455 thousand dollars (ideally of course) - the amount is not bad.

455 thousand is the internal cost of upgrading the T-64. In the market it will cost about 1-1.2 mil dollars. And Ukraine does not have 2000 T-64

Quote: Jorg

Conclusion, of course America and others like them do not need a strong Ukraine (in any respect)

Rather, they do not need Ukrainian tanks in Africa and competitors. As for the whole of Ukraine, the Russian Federation does not need the strongest one. The worse the condition, the greater the chances to buy the gas transport system, and so on.

[Kolya]

the news is just nonsense! that it would be so bad in Ukraine as it is now, you need to do this intentionally. This is how it is done as they say in this article.

[viazma]

While Ukraine will rush between Russia and the Euro Union, only pleasant memories will remain of it as a walking woman.

[Strashila]

For what to cut, Ukraine will modernize and sell them, which the West is increasingly afraid of.

[MG42]

Money is needed to modernize, but there is no extra money in the budget .. Gazprom is pumping out currency from Ukraine ..

In June 2013, the gold and foreign exchange reserves of Ukraine decreased by $ 1,398 billion to $ 23,144 billion and turned out to be below the Bloomberg consensus forecast ($ 24,1 billion). A sharp drop was influenced by expected payments on government loan bonds ($ 1,139 bn) and a fall in the price of gold in international markets (value decreased by 12,6%).

http://delo.ua/ukraine/ukraina-nachinaet-tratit-zolotovaljutnye-zapasy-209087/

Three years ago, Svidomo economists predicted that gold and foreign currency reserves would be $ 40 billion, and now half, the forecast for the fall of the US dollar jump in exchanges ..
You can minus for Gazprom ..
Only a good grain crop this year will improve the situation a little ..
By the way, Gazprom wanted to impose a fine on Ukraine for gas shortages, but then they really compared the data and refused because Ukraine has nothing to pay ..

[Warrawar]

Quote: MG42

Money is needed to modernize, but there is no extra money in the budget .. Gazprom is pumping out currency from Ukraine ..

I thought so - the damned maatskals are to blame for everything.

[MG42]

There is no money and everything that no one borrows to do, and the IMF has draconian conditions, I didn’t write about “maatskali”, these are your fantasies, the money from Gazprom directly reaches the ordinary Russian, yeah. Gazprom's prices are not fraternal, but European for Ukraine. The topic is topical for me because I see payments for gas and heat, excuse me.
So buy e-mine here in the photo below Kharkov tank repair plant, there are tanks since the collapse of the USSR and nobody needs anyone ..
Thanks for minus the barbarian.
More photos of the utilization of tanks in the Russian Federation >>

[Warrawar]

Quote: MG42

money from Gazprom directly reach the average Russian

Apparently, they do get it all the same - otherwise how to explain the difference in GDP per capita and the average salary more than three times.
Average annual earnings:
Russia - $ 12,7 thousand, is in 72nd place - between Croatia and Poland.
Ukraine - $ 3,5 thousand in 136th place (competes with Albania and Honduras)

[MG42]

Quote: Warrawar

Average annual earnings: Russia - $ 12,7 thousand. Ukraine - $ 3,5 thousand.

You can measure even the average temperature in the hospital from this is not easier ..

[Warrawar]

Quote: MG42

Quote: Warrawar

Average annual earnings: Russia - $ 12,7 thousand. Ukraine - $ 3,5 thousand.

You can measure even the average temperature in the hospital from this is not easier ..

Indeed, the "average for a hospital" in Russia is three and a half times higher than the "average for a hospital" in Ukraine.
And another good example is the salary of contract servicemen. In Russia, a lieutenant, as a platoon commander, receives 50 rubles ($ 000-1600). And in Ukraine, 1700-2000 hryvnia. So much for the "hospital average".

[MG42]

Whatever the average temperature in the hospital will give you in individual statistics, the doctor of you is blunt to say frankly. Be proud that Russia is directly engaged in the "high-tech" export of hydrocarbons, the resource is not renewable, it is deplorably different that with such prices it is the Russian Federation that pushes Ukraine away from the CU.
Now think about what you wrote? wages in Ukraine are lower, and prices for communal services are higher than in the Russian Federation, while everyone nods to Gazprom in such cases, they raised the price, that's the "friendship of peoples" ..

Quote: Warrawar

So much for the "hospital average".

I didn’t switch to you in your case.

[Warrawar]

Quote: MG42

at such prices just the Russian Federation pushes Ukraine away from the vehicle

Iron logic. Especially considering the fact that Putin directly said that if he joins the CU, Ukraine will receive gas at domestic prices. And in case of non-entry, everything will be on a common basis (as with Tsevilizirovanny Europeans). Are you special or something, why should it be different for you than for everyone else?

Quote: MG42

salaries in Ukraine are lower, and prices for communal services are higher than in the Russian Federation, while everyone nods to Gazprom in such cases, they raised the price, that's the "friendship of peoples"

I honestly don't care at all. I can only say that when I was HASPISYAT, the same communal apartment was cut from you and the salaries were the same beggarly. It's just that the Ukrainian energy intermediaries had super profits, and now they have been deprived of this opportunity and they have nothing to do but nod at Gazprom.
And most importantly, what Ukraine paid back for HIS HUMAN RESOURCES — wild Russophobia and aiding Chechen separatists and the Georgian-American military.

Quote: MG42

Be proud that Russia is directly engaged in the "high-tech" export of hydrocarbons

Russia has a decent non-resource turnover.

[MG42]

Quote: Warrawar

Iron logic.

If Ukraine gets used to living at European prices, you won’t lure it in the TS then, oddly enough, it sounds now. That's when gas for Belarus raised the price as Lukashenko was indignant, as a result, he actually freed himself from the GTS by transferring it to Gazprom.
Putin now has a bigger carrot line than a carrot for Ukraine, which will lead to the end of the wait until mid-autumn ..

Quote: Warrawar

Honestly, it doesn't bother me at all

Well, do not care, then there is nothing for me to talk about with you ..
Gone have things to do .. >>>

[Warrawar]

Quote: MG42

If Ukraine gets used to living at European prices, you won’t lure it in the vehicle then

It is very difficult to get used to living at European prices, with African funds.

Quote: MG42

Putin now has a bigger carrot line than a carrot for Ukraine, which will lead to the end of the wait until mid-autumn ..

Again waaa ffssemm vinaaavaty oath Maaatskali.
And why, prior to this, receiving HIS HUMAN RESOURCES, Ukraine integrated into Europe, NATO and the president was an ardent Russophobe Yushchenko, and all-Ukrainian cheers-shots shot at the backs of Russian soldiers in the mountains of the Caucasus?

[MG42]

Quote: Warrawar

Again waaa ffssemm vinaaavaty oath Maaatskali.
And why, before that, getting a HASPOINT

I didn’t want to reply to your comment, but I was surprised 3 hours ago, howling in the profile is <Sergey> now <Vladislav> Are you some kind of strange Russian, calling the Russians “Maaatskali”? distorting Russian, like Kars, it's just unpleasant to communicate ..

Quote: Warrawar

All-Ukrainian cheers-potsreots

What language is it in?

[Corneli]

Quote: Warrawar

Apparently, they do get it all the same - otherwise how to explain the difference in GDP per capita and the average salary more than three times.
Average annual earnings:
Russia - $ 12,7 thousand, is in 72nd place - between Croatia and Poland.

STA ??? The average salary in Russia $ 1.2 thousand per month ?!) (workers in factories, nurses, teachers and others)?
WHO DO YOU CHILD? !!

[9991]

Quote: MG42

data and refused because Ukraine has nothing to pay

Really? And did this kind dear Gasprom refuse the opportunity to get the Ukrainian gas transportation system for debts? Or maybe he already lost three or four such courts, during which they also forced him to lower the price?

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: Strashila

For what to cut, Ukraine will modernize and sell them, which the West is increasingly afraid of.

Sell ​​.. ??? sold to Georgia and to Chechnya .. aren't you tired yet ??? Maybe enough to deal with the sale .. Sell Syria better on credit (we are guarantors ..))))

[Corneli]

Quote: MIKHAN

Sell ​​.. ??? sold to Georgia and to Chechnya..Not tired yet ???

OMG! No, well, these tales about the Ukrainian army fighting against Russia really started to run! Although, okay, the army ... Ukraine SOLD TANKS IN CHECHNYA? !!!

[Master Taiga]

Of course, Ukraine will agree. She could not afford so many tanks. I am sure they are already partly stolen by the color of honey.
When the Union collapsed, Ukraine strove to grab a bigger and more modern weapon, but it quickly became clear that there was simply no money to maintain this beauty.

[MG42]

Yes, no one lacked anything, they shared what was on the territory, all the same, nuclear weapons were removed to the Russian Federation and some of the carcasses that they could fly under their own power to Russia were written off Ukrainian debts for gas in the 90s.

[yanus]

Quote: Strashila

For what to cut, Ukraine will modernize and sell them, which the West is increasingly afraid of.

Such statements have always touched me - we will make and sell a che-thread! And ask whether there is demand and buyers you have not forgotten?

[individual]

Let Ukraine will offer NATO barter: "Ukraine will first get rid of 1000 tanks, and NATO from 1000 UAVs."
Bargaining is appropriate.

[allosaurus]

bargaining may be appropriate, only there will be no bargaining, Ukraine will get rid of tanks and anything else according to the first European sneeze in a lackey bow and ask what gentlemen still want?

[allosaurus]

I am responsible for what has been said, the country Ukraine does not exist.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

The Ukrainian brothers are silent as partisans in the dungeons of the Gestapo ...

[ed65b]

Brothers do not subscribe, do not do stupid things. We have already done them in Russia in 90, they all sawed and destroyed. Upgrade and sell.

[Restoration]

The United States has clearly shown everyone in Syria how they are "fighting" for peace.
But Bashar showed that even with the old technology you can fight and win, if that is the will of the people.
In the Ukrainian government, the percentage of Svidomites and corrupt skins that are ready to take off their pants is too high to please their big Washington brother. So they will cut the tanks, as they cut the Tu22 in due time

[shark]

Well, if they ask, they must be respected ..... Only first 2000 new ones need to be riveted, and then these are not a pity

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Maybe all the same we will sell Syria to throw off .. ??? and by its own through Libya, Egypt, the Saudis and right on the border of the Golan Heights, we will issue the transfer-acceptance certificate .. Weak ???

[pensioner]

Quote: MIKHAN

Under its own power through Libya, Egypt Saudis

But in Saudi Arabia, like getting lost and cutting a couple of extra circles ... I’ll not regret it for the sake of this ax. Put under the compass ...

[does it]

Money for the destruction of Ukrainian tanks are ready to give the United States. According to Litvinchuk, the States unofficially confirmed their readiness to allocate $ 1 million for the disposal of Ukrainian military equipment.

The NATO Partnership for Peace Trust Fund Project began in 2006. According to the project, during 12 years in four stages it is planned to utilize 133 thousand tons of ammunition and 1,5 million units of small arms and light weapons.

And then what will the Ukrainians fight? in case of large-scale war.

[Warrawar]

Quote: kvirit

And then what will the Ukrainians fight? in case of large-scale war.

combat hopak

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: retired

Quote: MIKHAN

Under its own power through Libya, Egypt Saudis

But in Saudi Arabia, like getting lost and cutting a couple of extra circles ... I’ll not regret it for the sake of this ax. Put under the compass ...

In Qatar, it’s necessary not to forget to refuel .. with gas transfers and U-turns

[pensioner]

Quote: MIKHAN

In Qatar, refuel not to forget you need ..

Taking into account the talents of our warrant officers, the Qataris will think for a long time: "What was that? And where is the oil?"

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: retired

Quote: MIKHAN

In Qatar, refuel not to forget you need ..

Taking into account the talents of our warrant officers, the Qataris will think for a long time: "What was that? And where is the oil?"

Naturally, we will leave them there for paperwork ... they will drink all the oil and the princesses will re..t ... And then they will scream all over the desert that they were thrown !!! on camels they will start to catch up with the mats column .. scorpions all hide in the sand ..

[pensioner]

Quote: MIKHAN

scorpions all hide in the sand ..

And all kinds of lizards, on the contrary, will be dug up and, in order to avoid the worst, rushed forward ... And then all this cavalcade of lizards, bucks of ensigns, camels (they will also drink camels and not with water ...) and scorpions (they will be dug up anyway .. .) in transit through Syria directly to the Professor on a visit ... Somehow it seems.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: retired

Quote: MIKHAN

scorpions all hide in the sand ..

And all kinds of lizards, on the contrary, will be dug up and, in order to avoid the worst, rushed forward ... And then all this cavalcade of lizards, bucks of ensigns, camels (they will also drink camels and not with water ...) and scorpions (they will be dug up anyway .. .) in transit through Syria directly to the Professor on a visit ... Somehow it seems.

The professor will take the fighter into the air like Hezbollah again is fussing .. for the whole desert I feel sorry for the drunken ensigns ... Sadness will be (documents will disappear) hehe

[pensioner]

Yes-ah-ah ... And here the Professor got ...

[SPBOBL]

It is necessary at the diplomatic level...directly...based on the experience of 080808, to prohibit arms deals, with the Americans, and countries that have at least one border with Russia! ...

[bomg.77]

Quote: MIKHAN

So what do the Ukrainian brothers say...?

Ukraine needs to make a counter offer, give 2 million Americans to cut 1000 Abrams, and with the message this is all in the name of peace on earth.

[Horde]

Ukraine states - Czechs and you Americans have a lot of planes - 300 raptors, that’s worthless, here’s a billion hryvnia, keep 48 for yourself, cut the rest immediately and report on execution.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Yes, the Ukrainians are seriously thinking about it and they want and want 2000 tanks to cut...And what are they interested in in return did the Amers offer..???

[Lankov Victor]

Well, what can you say, you’re right: why do the natives in the SGA colony need armored vehicles? Melt it down so that no harmful thoughts arise against the owner.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Brothers Ukranitsy stop minus in silence .. I’m just kidding ... it’s difficult for you now and I’m being sarcastic (no offense ..) 2000 tanks is still a force!! God is your judge...

[Shadowcat]

"It has begun!" first tanks, then planes, then, but no, I’m afraid the girls are already being taken away into harems

[bremest]

The T-64 can be successfully converted into a tank support combat vehicle, not to mention upgrading the tank itself to an acceptable level. But NATO and the United States are doing everything to deprive Ukraine of its army and armored forces.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: bremest

The T-64 can be successfully converted into a tank support combat vehicle, not to mention upgrading the tank itself to an acceptable level. But NATO and the United States are doing everything to deprive Ukraine of its army and armored forces.

they are even ready to come and cut it up themselves and blow it up and pay a lot of money for it...Russia sawed up modern submarines (almost all) and missiles the same, like peace friendship...Now their bases and navy are located along all the borders of Russia.."they are friends "with us...damn our partners...Now we are deploying new air defense to at least protect Moscow...I got carried away again...The exercises in the East are grandiose, of course..we'll see the results..soon..

[Zomanus]

And Ukraine basically only has large tanks left. About aviation and the navy “without clinking glasses.” America and Europe are increasingly preparing the territory of Ukraine as a springboard for an attack on Russia. And no fraternal people will help us if the amers promise not to touch these people. And the Baku lamas will take a bribe for cutting up tanks, they will cut up tanks for free.

[essenger]

Come on, no one except Africans will buy the T-64. It's easier to get rid of it.

[VadimSt]

Amers, not amers, but someone had a “good” idea - to tear it apart for “metal” and profit. This is how it happened in the Ukrainian “elite”.

[nokki]

Quote: VadimSt

Amers, not amers, but someone had a “good” idea - to tear it apart for “metal” and profit. This is how it happened in the Ukrainian “elite”.

Also an option! They even removed all the metal from the Chernobyl Zone! And here are the tanks! A delicious piece!

[I am a Russian]

Quote: VadimSt

This is how it happened in the Ukrainian “elite”.

Why did you fidget? Won't you get it?

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Now in the world there are no invulnerable tanks..especially when they are used in urban environments..And if the armada rushes..roaring..even nuclear strikes will not stop them..That is if a total war breaks out.??.And in minor conflicts they use a tourniquet They are godlessly alas... So think about who needs what...

[Vlad_Mir]

Upgrade and sell! Nato is worried - it means to be afraid!

[LAO]

Are you afraid of us? With our seriously ill economy? I understand - the joke was a success!
For us to get involved in a war is the same as a heart attack patient running cross-country - a moment of morre!

[MG42]

It would be better if the Chernobyl equipment was disposed of >>

[LAO]

Decontamination is an impossible task!
I was told by a Chernobyl survivor who took part in rescuing particularly valuable equipment from the station. They took out the blocks, and then washed them, washed them, but they still “failed.” People were irradiated, and the blocks had to be buried.
Therefore, this cemetery will stand for another hundred years, or even 1000.

[Zomanus]

This Chernobyl equipment is no longer in sight. Back in the 90s they cut it and sold it.

[MG42]

Sure? Have you been to the zone and there is a photo that she is not there?
Here is a photo of an abandoned tank repair plant in Kharkov. These T-64, T-80, T-72 tanks, abandoned in the open air awaiting repair,
will never move from their place.

This is a bunch of metal for Akhmetov to melt down

[9991]

Quote: MG42

Here is a photo of an abandoned tank repair plant in Kharkov..E

Who told you such nonsense? The plant is working. And the technician is in the usual condition for a tank repair plant.

[MG42]

Quote: 9991

Who told you such nonsense?

You
Maybe you missed the tank repair plant on the street. Kotlova with the plant named after. Malysheva on Morozov Street, which is also located in Kharkov?
http://nevsedoma.com.ua/index.php?newsid=147887
photo of the factory workshop

[MG42]

Or maybe after 25 years of storage in an open space it can be repaired?

[MG42]

I still can’t see the comments of Bandera’s man with the hammer and sickle, so>>

[Argon]

Exactly what is shown in the photo is quite possible.

[MG42]

Quote: Argon

What is shown in the photo is quite possible.

Where can I get the money? And this is also from that factory

[Kars]

You're laughing
Maybe you missed the tank repair plant on the street. Kotlova with the plant named after. Malysheva on Morozov Street, which is also located in Kharkov?
http://nevsedoma.com.ua/index.php?newsid=147887
photo of the factory workshop

a fascist clown has appeared))))

http://www.objectiv.tv/220311/53970.html
http://www.army-guide.com/rus/firm1197.html
http://vpk.name/news/65320_harkovskii_zavod_sozdal_novuyu_boevuyu_mashinu_pehoty
i.html

[Alexander D.]

Firstly, no one has come to Ukraine yet. Secondly, no one has yet heard specific proposals. Thirdly, where did the author of the article get such knowledge, if he himself does not work in the NATO structure?! Fourthly, even the thieving Ukrainian authorities understand that the sale of modernized armored vehicles will bring in an order of magnitude more money than the “European partners” will pay. Ukroboronprom, most likely, puts the main proceeds from arms exports into the pockets of the political elite, so no one will throw money out of their pocket.
In an exaggerated way, it looks like this: competitors come and say that they will pay a sum of money so that Ukrainian products do not compete with them in the arms market. Of course, Ukroboronprom understands this and will not agree to this.

[roial]

Where did the author of the article get such knowledge?

That’s how they reported it to the Russian zombie box)))

[shamil]

It seems that the Ukrainians are making others from these tanks and, according to them, good tanks." It seems like they even started selling them. But the Americans didn't like the fact that, according to their Abrams, hypothetically, if you imagine, a former Soviet, and now Ukrainian, tank would be mischievous somewhere
in Asia. And the Ukrainians will fall for it and be left with nothing. Taking and melting down a tank is so simple

[kafa]

Still, we need to show how crazy we are. axis dyvys (old kolgosp and mts) is in shtent (and the tanks are stolen in the kurens) the pennies are stolen.

[egsp]

In general, it’s a pity for Ukraine. The country resembles the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth during its decline. The gentlemen walk with their noses in the air, puffed up with pride, and the kings for their throne were chosen from those offered “to choose from” by the blessed Roman Empire. Westernism is muddying the waters. And while they are part of Ukraine, no good will be seen. I think the country needs to be divided. Otherwise, they, like “the swan, the crayfish and the pike,” will mark time, competing in independence and Russophobia. If they don’t do this themselves, then, as always, there will be good people...that is, countries.

[philosopher]

Interesting but predictable news. And there is no need to divide into two camps: is it true or is it nonsense. This is true. First, Ukraine cut up planes and missiles. Then she destroyed the fleet and aviation. Now it will cut the tanks. I dare to suggest that artillery, armored personnel carriers with infantry fighting vehicles and machine guns are next in line... Why do lackeys need weapons if they are running to NATO and the EU with their bare bottoms, their heels are already flashing? They will sit in forest caches with hunting rifles, drink moonshine and rejoice in their “independence.” You can already forget about the Ukrainian SSR or Ukraine, but you should mention the Outskirts.
I say this because I live here and I know everything that’s going on here firsthand. Now you can downvote.

[xzWhiteWolf]

The Americans are trying to save their tank factories, that's all. I hope Ukraine won’t be stupid and keep the tanks in use.
From America everything is clear. They are already buying unnecessary tanks for themselves in abundance, so that their factories do not go bankrupt and send the people working on them on vacation for a couple of years. They'll cut it right now, tomorrow they'll offer Abrams.

[Fetel]

This means that these tanks should be left in any case.

[denis90]

When this Ukraine will already fall apart. Brothers Slavs, this is complete idiocy.

[LAO]

Do you think it will be easier? Return of the nineties, complete economic “end”, millions for a loaf of bread! It’s time to do everything on your own, including voting against the fascists in the Verkhovna Rada, seeking execution clauses for werewolves in uniform and for theft on an especially large scale, for bribery, etc. (as in China).
There is no point in hoping for a “good uncle” from “outside the fence,” even if it is Russia or the United States.

[Warrawar]

Quote: LAO

Do you think it will be easier? Return of the nineties, complete economic "end"

Did the 90s really end in Ukraine?

[I am a Russian]

Quote: Warrawar

Did the 90s really end in Ukraine?

I live much better now

[LAO]

What is the reason for the fuss? Melt down old tanks, make new ones (if necessary).
Take the money and spend it on new developments and boosting the economy.
Who is nearby among the “serious” ones - only Russia, but Russia is a peaceful state and is not going to attack Ukraine, or is it still going to?

[Cynic]

Quote: LAO

Who is nearby among the “serious” ones - only Russia, but Russia is a peaceful state and is not going to attack Ukraine, or is it still going to?

Judging by your comment, yes, you will have to fight alone again against the frivolous NATO.
Hmm, there was something about the desire of another former republic to become members.

[Jurkovs]

Russia is not going to attack Ukraine, but the Russian-speaking population, oriented towards Russia, will undoubtedly, if necessary, take protection.

[Jurkovs]

If you think about it, this decision plays into Russia’s hands. There are fewer competitors in the arms market, and Ukraine is actively selling modernized tanks. And secondly, the fewer tanks in border countries, the better.

[shpuntik]

There is no need to recycle or sell. Modernize it slowly (according to our means), coat it with grease and preserve it. Something tells me that they will be useful to Ukraine itself. How will she defend Crimea? The Turks will stick their nose there anyway, it’s just a matter of time... IMHO.

[Sea snake]

And here in Russia, back in 2012, we decided not to cut, but to repair our own, ...despite the fact that the total number of tanks in Russia is off the charts at 18 thousand. Draw your own conclusions, Slavic brothers.
http://warfiles.ru/show-4273-minoborony-potratit-milliard-rubley-na-remont-tanko
vt-80bv.html

400 × T-90 + 4744 × T-80 + 7144 × T-72 + 4000 × T-64 + 689 × T-62 + 1200 × T-55 = 18177

[Next]

Yes, the states have a lot of experience in cutting Soviet armor. Why do they need it? Riveting bayonet knives for Marines?

[Zhzhuk]

I remember there were cases of constant fires in warehouses in Ukraine, then under Medvedev, if I’m not mistaken, 2 large warehouses burned down, and Medvedev’s reaction was as if a tank had crushed an ant, no,
Maybe they pushed weapons from warehouses, for example, to intermediaries, and they to the Syrian rebels, and maybe Libyan ones, and then burned them, in general, the disarmament of both Russia and Ukraine is visible, for example, if a gang of Muslim Wahhabis pours in, I think 64 is cooler than a pickup truck with a machine gun, obviously there is a catch,
Amers are everywhere shouting about security, saying that Russia doesn’t need weapons, but they themselves are rocking the neighboring countries that are right next to us, given that Russia has a nuclear shield, the war against it may be according to the Syrian scenario, but who knows what is on their mind.

In general, during the bear period, there was a strong disarmament of a reduction in staff, institutes for all branches of the military, they clearly carried out training, we also need to abandon all types of power stations supposedly for the environment and live in the forest in a dugout, although there is no work for the benefit of slave owners in the logging camp

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Good evening!! Well, how did the tanks start to break down in fraternal Ukraine???

[Naval]

Ukraine asks to join NATO, and NATO asks to destroy tanks. Everything is rational. In order not to violate uniformity, you need to buy German Leopards. For everything in life you have to pay, and this will be the price of admission.

[30143]

, if they fall for Amer’s tricks...

[Avenger711]

The most important question is why suddenly they bothered with scrap metal, which ZERO pieces were sold during the entire period of production and sale of Soviet reserves, because no one needed this iron misunderstanding.
Ukraine is already liquidating the army; there will simply be no one to control the tanks.

[1goose3]

This is a business, pay 1 million. for the destruction of something that could bring 1,5 billion to an “ally”. arrived. Oh yes LGBT, ugh NATO, oh yes son of number 1 and number 2!!! Although this is probably the initial entry fee, the main payment is ahead.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

After the tanks, they will offer to divide the territory very profitably and democratically..(Give Crimea to the Jews..) and then they will begin to destroy the volosts..

[Yves762]

IMHO, since Ukraine is unlikely to “accumulate” 2000 tanks inside one way or another, the Yankees worry that a good part of this will not go to all sorts of Georgians, Muslim Brothers... etc. And God forbid any Iran or North Korea after modernization...

[Kovrovsky]

Quote: Nevsky

Are you guys crazy? NATO and the USA want good for us, that's the reason why tanks ask :

Americans sleep and see how to cover us not with an umbrella, but with a copper basin!

[Black]

Quote: MIKHAN

and then they’ll start attacking the volosts...

The problem is not that in Ukraine they do not understand the dangers of weakening the army. No more stupid than us sitting at the keyboard.
And if so, then the interests of the Motherland and these “pro-Kremlin” ones, as it seemed to us, are deeply in jeopardy. and where does state thinking come from in a state that has never had it? Ukraine faces an inevitable collapse to the west-east. We must be ready for Russia...to sew diapers...

[Diviz]

the path is trodden. Babos are stupidly pouring money into the treasury. One good thing is that we are still creating NGOs.

[Russ69]

Why argue? If NATO asks, and even gives money, it means that this is primarily beneficial to NATO.

[I am a Russian]

Quote: Russ69

Why argue? If NATO asks, and even gives money, it means that this is primarily beneficial to NATO.

and Ukrainians too

[Bashkaus]

Guys! I need to help my brothers. The point here is this: our brothers are in big trouble and are besotted by the NATO bloc, which insists on the destruction of tanks. We must be lenient about this and not allow our brothers and sisters to be treated like suckers. In general, this needs to be taken care of. Either give the scammers a hard time, or, as a last resort, buy these tanks themselves if they really cannot maintain them. Look, let’s chip in a hundred from the paycheck, and let them stand there canned, since they don’t ask to eat. In the end, we ourselves were promoted by the Voivodes in due time. Personally, it was extremely unpleasant for me and I am not S...KA to allow someone else to be scammed

[allosaurus]

you talk a lot, you fool. Wipe your snot, you bastard.

[allosaurus]

amazing cretin.

[I am a Russian]

Quote: Bashkaus

besotted by the NATO bloc, which insists on the destruction of tanks

Besotted? You are the one who is “blind” and deliberately entering into this deal.

[Fregate]

The United States is ready to allocate $1 million for the destruction of $1 billion worth of equipment, also with the wording “Partnership for Peace,” while they themselves are churning out ships and planes at home. “In the name of peace,” laughter, and that’s all.

[Army strong]

Quote: Hedgehog

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=AMARG&sll=32.176491,-110.861017


&sspn=0.001053,0.002213&ie=UTF8&ll=32.173469,-110.848918&spn=0.016855,0.035405&t


= h & z = 15

It doesn’t ask to eat or drink, it’s in a desert with a very dry climate and doesn’t rust. Why not. As they say, we are peaceful people, but our armored train is on a siding :-)))

[Zhenya]

Where are you peaceful? Planning another operation against Iran? Or... having been in Iraq and Afghanistan, you didn’t understand much? More precisely, in Afghanistan... it was not only you who got involved, but the entire NATO bloc.

[vlad.1924]

T-64s still pose a threat to NATO and the United States... Otherwise, NATO would not be bothering with disposal for ridiculous money...

[Zhenya]

Propaganda has done its job, a good 50% of the Ukrainian population considers Russia to be enemies, and I think this percentage will only grow every year. What are the benefits of joining a pseudo-fraternal state? The only benefit is to increase the country's population after the 90s, when there was a terrible decline in the birth rate. Most of my friends have a warm attitude towards Ukraine, probably 90%. We don’t talk about how bad Ukraine is, they don’t talk about how third-class people there are, they don’t write in government publications that Ukraine is this, Ukraine is that, there’s simply no such thing. I will not show you what is being broadcast on “brotherly” channels, forums, publications, everyone already knows everything, continuous reproaches, insults, belittlement, etc. of Russia and people like KARS are clear examples of this.
You will forgive me, of course, but would you not go to another site where the language is Ukrainian and instead of the line ru there would be ua, I don’t want to read your cheap propaganda and I don’t want you to disgrace my language by insulting my people. Thank you for your attention, there is no need to answer, I am not interested in your next nonsense.
I have a great attitude towards Ukraine, I adore Kyiv and I have many friends from this beautiful country, and I hope that the tanks will not be sawed off and that a competent elite will come to power.

[Kars]

Quote: Marrying

I won’t show you what is being broadcast on “brotherly” channels, forums, publications, everyone already knows everything, continuous reproaches, insults, belittlement, etc. of Russia and people like KARS are clear examples of this.

And you tell me the program of the program. http://tv.misto.zp.ua/?day=2013-07-15
You can read the program of the Zaporozhye region. It consists entirely of a program about the terrible Muscovy.

Quote: Marrying

You will forgive me, of course, but wouldn’t you go to another site where the language is Ukrainian and instead of the line ru there would be ua, I don’t want to read your cheap propaganda

There is a blacklist functionality for this, and all the problems.

Quote: Marrying

Thank you for your attention, there is no need to answer, I am not interested in your next nonsense.

Well, how can I not answer if you mentioned me? But allowing you not to read my answer.

[I am a Russian]

Quote: Kars

You can read the program of the Zaporozhye region. It consists entirely of a program about the terrible Muscovy.

Is this only in the Zaporozhye region? Kars, what is the average age of employees of the Zaporozhye television company?

[shpuntik]

Zhenya RU Today, 05:29 New
Propaganda has done its job...

“He who interferes in a quarrel is like holding a dog for his mistake.”

I recently flew on a rusty Boeing, about ten days ago, from Crimea. An acquaintance says: it’s easier now, there are no “orange” people, less nonsense with your tongue, but the bandits have come and the cops are protecting everything. In Simferopol, the airport brigade was imprisoned not so long ago. They say they even buried it, not that it was just to take the money.
Putin got divorced: and well, let’s spread the word on all channels, saying that the Russians are rotting : - ) .
But at the same time, all sensible people brand Westerners, “zabuzhanians.” Let's go fishing, symbolic. While we are going to the “fishing” area, the first mate explains the dangerous fish, and along the way asks where the people are from. The main company is from Dnepropetrovsk, seven people, everyone is already having fun. And then he adds: yesterday there were guys from Lvov, asking how many fish we’d catch, and they were worried whether the ticket would pay off. Well, then the company made a noise, laughed, joked: well, who doesn’t know them, Westerners?
They go to Europe to work, and receive pensions from us.
Well, what am I talking about? Just a little more, be patient.
One day I was walking from a course with a student to the metro, and we started talking about religion. He says so calmly: well, yes, they once told me that if you have a non-Russian friend (Mohammedan, non-Christ), then he says that if you have a conflict with another of his co-religionists, then you will be left without a friend, he will be on his side .
Therefore, gentlemen, we remember the clever Gogol and this is enough to understand the word Russian, Ukrainian.
I quote his words:

It seemed extremely strange to Ostap and Andria that with them the death of the people came to Sich, and if only someone would ask: where are these people from, who are they and what is their name. They came here, as if returning to their own house, from which they had left only an hour before. The one who came appeared only to the koshev; who used to say:
- Hello! What do you believe in Christ?
- I believe! - answered come.
- And you believe in the holy trinity?
- I believe!
- And go to church?
- I go!
- Well, cross!
The one who came was baptized.
“Well, well,” replied Koseva, “go to that one, and you know the hen.”
This ended the whole ceremony.

[Gorchilin]

“a good 50% of the population considers Russia an enemy” - why did you decide that? Did they say it on TV? Don't watch TV!

By the way, there are questions that are difficult to answer even in a fit of brotherly love. Let's say, why does Ukraine pay Russia more for gas than any European country? This is MY money, I pay the utility bills, are the Germans closer to you? Russia recently stupidly FORGIVED Africa for 20 billion dollars (!!!) - are Africans closer and dearer to you?

The people are quite loyal, but the government (ours under Yushchenko and yours) seems to have gone crazy.

[kind]

The United States is ready to give money to destroy Ukrainian tanks.

Why such mercy? It looks like this is another contribution to the cutting of Ukraine. Moreover, you don’t mind green waste paper.

[I am a Russian]

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Why such mercy?

Everything is very simple - Ukraine will do everything to get cash injections into the country’s “budget”

[Vitaly Anisimov]

The Slavic brothers have given you a task...