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Lessons from the tragedy in Pugachev

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Summer xnumx. Russians in the forums and special commentary lines in the media have already pretty much become attached to the discussion of topics such as the new change of government in Egypt or the ongoing civil war in Syria. The intra-Russian information component was, to put it mildly, lethargic. It was sluggish until it thundered ... Thunder rang out in the city, which until July 2013 of the year, frankly, was difficult to attribute to the media centers of the country, and almost no mention in the federal and especially foreign media. However, the tragedy in the Golden Barrel cafe, which resulted in 2013-year-old resident of Pugachev, Ruslan Marzhanov, was fatally injured from a 20-year-old native of the Chechen Republic who visited his relative in the Saratov region, history This city on the "before" and "after."




According to eyewitnesses, the quarrel in the Pugachev cafe broke out because of a girl whom the same 16-year-old Chechen Ali Nazirov suddenly wanted to meet. Ruslan Marzhanov, if everything is translated into, let's say, a language that is digestible for a public publication, declared that he would not allow representatives of Caucasian nationality to “pretend” to Saratov girls. These statements, plus the fact that Marzhanov (by the way, who had recently served in the Airborne Forces) didn’t say about Caucasians unflatteringly, led Nazirov to uncontrollable aggression, as a result of which he snatched the scalpel that came from (eyewitnesses say that Nazirov had carried the scalpel) and inflicted several fatal wounds to Ruslan Marzhanov.

It is noteworthy that the nearest medical institution bleeding Marzhanov literally on his hands was reported by young people who were companions, attention, Nazirov (Chechens living in Saratovsky Pugachev). It is also important that the same young people gave Nazirov, who killed Marzhanov, to law enforcement agencies. However, the majority of Russian and foreign media that the representatives of the Chechen diaspora tried to help the dying Ruslan and did not cover the criminal, for some reason, is not covered. Why so? The answer is quite simple: there are certain forces in Russia that are eager to use the negative that sits in many Russians in relation to people from the Caucasus. This is such an acute problem for various regions of the country that any episode (especially an episode with the death of a Russian guy at the hands of a representative of one of the peoples of the Caucasus) can become a real bomb. And the episode in Pugachev became such a bomb.



A small town in the Saratov region learned of the tragedy the next day. And, apparently, the general negativity so deeply took root in the souls of the locals that the city shook. Up to half a thousand people gathered in the main square of the city (with Pugachev’s 42 population of thousands), who demanded that the local administration take action. These requirements were drawn up in the form of five main points that need to be given in this material.

The first requirement: checking passport and visa regime, and not only to representatives of law enforcement agencies, but also activists of public organizations.

The second requirement: to organize raids to identify outlets that distribute alcohol at night.

Requirement three: involve the diaspora in the joint implementation of actions aimed at improving security in the city, and also create a group to activate the local police

The fourth requirement: to update the composition of the public council under local law enforcement.
The fifth requirement: to form a volunteer squad for the protection of law and order and to use Cossack formations to patrol the streets of Pugachev.

Even if one casually looks at all the points listed above, it can be stated that they testify to the mistrust of ordinary Pugachev people to the local police, for whom the tragedy in Zolotoi Barrel will most likely become a point of great change. And these changes have already begun. Apparently, high-ranking officials got acquainted with the demands of the citizens, and the head of the Pugachev police became the first leader who lost his chair. The chair is reeling under the mayor of Pugachev, who was booed at the aforementioned spontaneous rally after he first called on everyone to go home, and then made an attempt to send the crowd to the local recreation center, as they say, out of sight ...



Out of sight, it did not work out, since those gentlemen who, by and large, do not care about Pugachev himself and the interests of its inhabitants have already intervened. We are talking about people who are ready to use any episode in which there is at least some opportunity to strike at Russia as a multi-ethnic and multi-religious state. It was these gentlemen, not particularly going into the everyday life of ordinary Pugachevites, to those demands that the citizens themselves put forward to the authorities, decided to add their “punishments” that formed the demand: “Evict and separate!” And “evict” is about the representatives of the Chechen diaspora , which in Pugachev has less than 100 people, and only “separate” is about the Chechen Republic. They say we will separate Chechnya from Russia, and real prosperity will come to our country - they will stop selling vodka from under the floors in kiosks and kiosks, quarrels with a stabbing will break out, people in the streets will smile at each other, police, judicial system, bureaucracy will cease to be corrupt and will be engaged in the performance of their direct duties, and not the protection of criminal gangs ... And in fact many of our fellow citizens enthusiastically perceived the voices of these cliques, who, forgive me, to the point of the sorrow of relatives his Pugachev's boyfriend, but who are not at all indifferent to their low political rating in the country. On pure populism, the whimpers conceived, as they say, to enter heaven.

Surprisingly, many media tried to turn the Pugachev tragedy into a triumph of nationalism. “Pugachev Rebellion”, “Uprising in Pugachev”, “Russian Riot near Saratov” - these are just a few headlines from various publications that have decided to comment on the events described. Excuse me, what kind of riot ?! If the people took to the streets and demanded that the local authorities punish the culprit and put the work of the law enforcement system on public control, is this already called a riot? .. Oh, yes - the overlap of the federal highway and the desire to “seize the railway station” ... So why, then, the very same media do not mention in their reports and articles that the people and the people of Pugachev didn’t want to block roads and railways, but those who decided to use popular anger to solve their political problems.

There was no riot in Pugachev. Did not have. No matter how much the media tried to convince us of this: from Echo of Moscow and Dozhd to other media, which often wishful thinking. And the shots that appeared on some resources with imprinted columns of armored vehicles that allegedly went to Pugachev to suppress the uprising are pure forgery. Well, someone really wanted to concoct from the murder of an 20-year-old Pugachev's boyfriend an 16-year-old Chechen informational reason for another blow to the integrity of the country.



Today it is foolish to talk about the causes of the Pugachev drama. To consider a certain girl can be solely as a momentary cause for stabbing, but all the roots of the problem itself are deeper. From this problem it is possible to inflate the whole nationalist space, it can be ignored altogether, but in general for the country and us (its citizens) it is much more productive to try to make sure that the Russian authorities do not follow the first or second path. Waving a sword, shouting slogans like “Russia without the Caucasus” or keeping silent, continuing to chew snot, watching how guests of Chechen or Dagestan weddings behave in the cities of Central Russia are two extremes that, as one well-known politician likes to say, are counterproductive in their the essence.

There is only one way out - to finally bring Russian law up to the bar, in the presence of which its rule will be indisputable. It is precisely this task that directly confronts the Russian authorities, for whom Pugachev should become a well-learned lesson. For now, representatives of corrupt bureaucratic groups will wipe their feet on Russian laws, while cronyism and fraternity in our country will be valued more than the need to be a law-abiding citizen, while the ghost of orange revolutions will roam the world, the next “Pugachevs” and everyone who follows (with calls to separate first the Caucasus, then Tatarstan, and then St. Petersburg and Moscow from Russia) one can expect a considerable amount on the Russian land.

It remains to be expected that the Pugachev lessons for the Russian authorities will not remain unlearned.



PS The publication “Military Review” expresses deep condolences to the relatives of the deceased Ruslan Marzhanov and hopes that the guilty party will be punished with a fair and commensurate with the crime committed.






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  1. fisherman
    fisherman 12 July 2013 07: 42 New
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    The first requirement: checking passport and visa regime, and not only to representatives of law enforcement agencies, but also activists of public organizations.

    The second requirement: to organize raids to identify outlets that distribute alcohol at night.

    Requirement three: involve the diaspora in the joint implementation of actions aimed at improving security in the city, and also create a group to activate the local police

    The fourth requirement: to update the composition of the public council under local law enforcement.
    The fifth requirement: to form a volunteer squad for the protection of law and order and to use Cossack formations to patrol the streets of Pugachev.


    right, there are wise people in Pugachev, there is civil society
    1. domokl
      domokl 12 July 2013 08: 40 New
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      Quote: fisherman
      there are wise people in Pugachev, there is civil society

      Wise people are everywhere. The conversation is not about wisdom. The conversation is that they really want to break us on a national basis. I wrote about this in the comments on the first article on this subject.
      The people advocated justice. For the rule of law. And most importantly, it was not national hatred, but distrust of the authorities. Namely to the authorities, in the person of the local police department.
      And I repeat. On the same day, an article was published on the site about the exploit of a Caucasian who saved two girls and drowned himself. I don’t know why, and what kind of comments are there now, but on the first day it’s disgusting and sad to read other words. The seed and people are sown , without realizing it, they spread this scum on the Internet.
      1. fisherman
        fisherman 12 July 2013 09: 33 New
        +9
        The people advocated justice. For the rule of law. And most importantly, it was not national hatred, but distrust of the authorities. Namely to the authorities, in the person of the local police department.


        all right, that’s exactly what I consider to be wisdom
      2. Ustian
        Ustian 12 July 2013 10: 55 New
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        Quote: domokl
        On the same day, an article was published on the site about the exploit of a Caucasian who saved two girls and drowned himself.

        I respect such people! 24-year-old resident of Makhachkala Marat Rakhmetov!
        1. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 12 July 2013 23: 32 New
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          "A Russian-style person is not one who has a certain skin color, ethnic roots or hair color. A Russian person is one who will not sleep peacefully if he knows that there is injustice somewhere. A Russian is one who will seek the truth to the end, in each specific situation. Russian is one who, according to Conscience, evaluates everything that happens and has his own opinion on all issues affecting him. The words "everyone has their own truth" were invented by the Liberals, Pluralists. They are not Russian in spirit people. " L. N. Tolstoy.
          1. Ruslan67
            Ruslan67 13 July 2013 02: 03 New
            +3
            Quote: Karlsonn
            "A Russian-speaking person is not the same

            Already wrote but I repeat, drink vodka swearing and being full M ... m does not mean yet to be RUSSIAN hi
            1. Karlsonn
              Karlsonn 13 July 2013 02: 18 New
              +4
              Quote: Ruslan67
              Already wrote but I repeat, drink vodka swearing and being full M ... m does not mean yet to be RUSSIAN


              Russian may be a descendant of a Negro, Chinese, Tajik or any other nationality.
              Russian is an internal state.
              Anyone who manifests fascism and divides people on a national or religious basis is NOT RUSSIAN and has the opportunity to run into a torn, my carcass, which will explain hu-est-hu, to the extent of its limited capabilities.
              1. Ruslan67
                Ruslan67 13 July 2013 02: 21 New
                +5
                Quote: Karlsonn
                Russian may be a descendant of a Negro, Chinese, Tajik or any other nationality.

                Exactly good drinks hi
                1. Karlsonn
                  Karlsonn 13 July 2013 02: 59 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Ruslan67
                  Exactly


                  Anyone who thinks otherwise must find the courage to meet a monster - with me.
                  I can’t guarantee that I will win the battle, but I won’t do it for the fuk! and any fascist will have to try to step over me.
                  and when we with the fascist in a wrestling circle or ring converge --- he ah..t from the fact that he will accept. good drinks soldier hi
                  1. Semen Semyonitch
                    Semen Semyonitch 13 July 2013 03: 21 New
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                    Quote: Karlsonn
                    Quote: Ruslan67
                    Exactly


                    Anyone who thinks otherwise must find the courage to meet a monster - with me.
                    I can’t guarantee that I will win the battle, but I won’t do it for the fuk! and any fascist will have to try to step over me.
                    and when we with the fascist in a wrestling circle or ring converge --- he ah..t from the fact that he will accept. good drinks soldier hi

                    ... And what weight category? good
                    1. Ruslan67
                      Ruslan67 13 July 2013 03: 28 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Semen Semenych
                      and when we meet with the fascist in a wrestling circle or ring -

                      Quote: Semen Semenych
                      ... And what weight category?

                      7 grams per nape without options am
                    2. Karlsonn
                      Karlsonn 13 July 2013 03: 30 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Semen Semenych
                      .A what weight category?


                      at the moment - 63.5 kg.

                      compensate for the possession of weapons.
                      I can bring down the tower.
                      Pecheneg, I will perceive it as a gift.
                      1. Ruslan67
                        Ruslan67 13 July 2013 03: 31 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Karlsonn
                        compensate for the possession of weapons.

                        What am I talking about? wassat
                      2. Karlsonn
                        Karlsonn 13 July 2013 04: 04 New
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                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        What am I talking about?

                        Pecheneg - I will accept.
                    3. Ruslan67
                      Ruslan67 13 July 2013 03: 53 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Karlsonn
                      I can bring down the tower.

                      And from it to water repeat laughing
                    4. Karlsonn
                      Karlsonn 13 July 2013 03: 56 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Ruslan67
                      And from it to water


                      as owning a weapon - really do not care about weight and height.
                    5. Ruslan67
                      Ruslan67 13 July 2013 03: 59 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Karlsonn
                      really do not care and weight and height.

                      As well as the volume of the intestines and bladder wassat We’ll fill and fill everyone am
                    6. Karlsonn
                      Karlsonn 13 July 2013 04: 07 New
                      0
                      Quote: Ruslan67
                      As well as the volume of the intestines and bladder


                      the barrel of a machine gun is precious, as is the barrel of a sniper.
                      I personally - chopping a single out of - his fellow laughing
                      so that bitches aren’t showing off. drinks
                    7. Ruslan67
                      Ruslan67 13 July 2013 04: 09 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Karlsonn
                      so that bitches aren’t showing off.

                      The last argument of kings wassat drinks
                    8. Karlsonn
                      Karlsonn 13 July 2013 04: 28 New
                      -2
                      Quote: Ruslan67
                      The last argument of kings


                      like a shooter - I'm weak.
                      the skull is broken, but as a gunner, I can. after my eye - cut down, I teach a specialist, art guidance. bully
                      especially like - mortars ... soldier , I teach and air aiming.
                    9. Ruslan67
                      Ruslan67 13 July 2013 04: 30 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Karlsonn
                      but as a gunner, I can. P

                      I understand you good After 6 zeros after the unit, the name of the street is enough bully
                    10. Karlsonn
                      Karlsonn 13 July 2013 04: 39 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Ruslan67
                      I understand you


                      Now I know that you are in the know.
                    11. Karlsonn
                      Karlsonn 13 July 2013 04: 46 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Ruslan67
                      I understand you


                      good
            2. Karlsonn
              Karlsonn 13 July 2013 04: 23 New
              +2
              Quote: Ruslan67
              As well as the volume of the intestines and bladder

              You're killing me.
            3. Ruslan67
              Ruslan67 13 July 2013 04: 28 New
              +2
              Quote: Karlsonn
              You're killing me.

              A doctor? A truck? Pathologist? Any whim for your comments wassat
            4. Karlsonn
              Karlsonn 13 July 2013 04: 40 New
              +2
              Quote: Ruslan67
              A doctor? A truck? Pathologist? Any whim for your comments


              sanbrat, that's enough.
              Cheto I exceeded ..
  • Gari
    Gari 13 July 2013 09: 54 New
    +1
    Quote: Karlsonn
    Russian may be a descendant of a Negro, Chinese, Tajik or any other nationality.

    Peter Bagration - from the family of Georgian kings;
    Michael Barclay de Tolly - from the Scottish family;
    Sergey Witte - a descendant of immigrants from the Netherlands;
    Ivan Sergeevich Turgenev - Russian nobleman, from the Tatars of the Turgen clan;
    Ivan Aivazovsky - from Armenians;
    Anton Kuindzhi - from the Greeks;
    Nicholas Roerich - Swedish roots;
    Karl Bryullov - from the French;
    Admiral Kolchak - of Serbo-Croatian origin;
    "The Black Baron" Wrangel - German;
    Loris-Melikov -from Armenians ...................
    They faithfully served Russia

    Quote: Karlsonn
    Russian is an internal state.
  • Karlsonn
    Karlsonn 13 July 2013 03: 20 New
    +5
    against all the backing trackers - I'm Russian!
  • Papakiko
    Papakiko 12 July 2013 11: 32 New
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    Quote: domokl
    about the heroic deed of a Caucasian who saved two girls and drowned himself

    Tooting saved two girls.Let the rams in the mountains appease the "cauldrons".
    And guys and men are killed, crippled, taken away.
    It is noteworthy that the nearest medical institution, bleeding Marzhanov, was literally on the hands of young people who were companions, who paid attention to Nazirova (Chechens living in the Saratov Pugachev). It is also important that the same young people extradited Nazirov, who killed Marzhanov, to law enforcement agencies.
    Yes, we are in the arms of the whole country, we can bring them all and everyone not only to the hospital but also to make tombstones in gold leaf.
    Diasporas to the nocturnal, quotas, and for six months to request permission from the Public Council of the settlement for each person who wants to come to visit the "relatives". For rowdy and defiant behavior "diaspora" eviction with deprivation of property.
    No need to paint about the rule of law and the failure of the authorities to comply with these laws.
    1. cdrt
      cdrt 12 July 2013 12: 01 New
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      From childhood, brought up that can not be divided by nationality. And what you write is essentially a direct road to the separation of the Caucasus, but there is nothing to object to. Diasporas really decompose any environment of law enforcement that they come into contact with. Therefore, there are no visible ways to deal with the negativity that they carry. The NATURAL answer to this is Russian nationalism. Indeed, in peaceful life, the diasporas forget that it is WE who conquered them and bent them whenever they needed to. But in vain. Indeed, in fact, no one condemns either the playpen or the Pugachevites - no one has the moral strength to do so. The only thing that stands against the Caucasian pogroms is the belief of a large part of the people that the country cannot be ruined.
      1. xmike
        xmike 12 July 2013 12: 19 New
        +4
        The only thing that stands against the Caucasian pogroms is the belief of a large part of the people that the country cannot be ruined.
        And there is.
      2. Papakiko
        Papakiko 12 July 2013 12: 48 New
        +3
        Quote: cdrt
        From childhood, brought up that can not be divided by nationality.

        It brought us up and "educate".
        And LKN is brought up in the exact opposite of us.
        Quote: cdrt
        Diasporas really decompose any environment of law enforcement that they come into contact with.

        Get the "brain in the head" and decompose end immediately and for a long time.
      3. vezunchik
        vezunchik 12 July 2013 14: 55 New
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        Do not forget how the Russian-speaking population was squeezed out of the Union republics.
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    3. mark7
      mark7 12 July 2013 15: 22 New
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      I’d like to understand what the Diaspora is and why? Why, as I understand the national community, it’s worth the Slavs to organize something like this right away by the Nationalists. I don’t agree with the author and think one-sidedly, the authorities were instructed to put things in order there, which they do, and people I’m going to live there. I don’t remember a case when a Slav killed a Caucasian simply for a word he didn’t like.
      1. mark7
        mark7 12 July 2013 16: 04 New
        +5
        And yet, they haven’t accepted wall-to-wall fighting, it was such fun in Russia and the word peasant also knows whose, I don’t consider myself a nationalist, even the opposite, but you need to understand that everything comes from the culture of educating people and those who are Russians they bring their own culture of behavior from the historical homeland, and it’s inappropriate to do it with dignity that the murderer's friends began to help the victim, they are just reasonable people and immediately realized what happened and what will happen next. The authorities, as always, are struggling with what has already happened, their interview is only water
        1. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 12 July 2013 16: 30 New
          -1
          Quote: mark7
          And yet, it’s not accepted to fight wall to wall, it was such fun in Russia and the word man also knows whose


          It is necessary to pay attention to the difference of cultures, for a resident of the Caucasus a blow to the face is a terrible insult, and this is why fighting as a sport is more characteristic of the inhabitants of the Caucasus.
          For every famous Soviet boxer from the Caucasus, I will name a dozen famous Soviet wrestlers.


          Quote: mark7
          Russians bring their culture of behavior from their historical homeland


          I can throw a bunch of links, where banderlogs are fumbling discussing the "face of the morality of Russo touristo."

          Quote: mark7
          it’s not necessary to make it worthy that the friends of the killer began to provide assistance to the victim, they are just reasonable people and immediately understood what happened and what will happen next.


          They tried to save a person’s life and this is the main thing.
          No need to divide the citizens of Russia by nationality !!!

          let's conduct a study and finally find out who commits the most crimes in Russia:
          - redheads
          - blondes,
          - brunettes,
          - brown hair.
          I propose to ban the most criminal ones, and even more as soon as it becomes clear that the child’s hair color will be “criminal” - I’ve immediately fished!
          bully
          1. Hleb
            Hleb 12 July 2013 18: 33 New
            +3
            for a resident of the Caucasus, a blow to the face is a terrible insult, that’s why for residents of the Caucasus more characteristic struggle as a sport.

            Carlson, you’re an adequate person, why are you rewriting this nonsense. Especially from other blogs
            1. Karlsonn
              Karlsonn 12 July 2013 18: 47 New
              -4
              Quote: Gleb
              Carlson is an adequate person


              Thanks for your kind words.


              Quote: Gleb
              a terrible insult, that is why for residents of the Caucasus, fighting as a sport is more characteristic.


              With comrade Hardingush, I completely agree.
              He was in Soviet sports from 1984 until the end.
              There were really more wrestlers, what's wrong? request
              Let's compare the winners of republican competitions in all weight and age categories in the RSFSR, and even grab the 4th and 5th place, everything will become clear.
              1. Hleb
                Hleb 12 July 2013 18: 59 New
                +4
                what will it become clear from the comparison? why compare the places? can we list all types of martial arts with shock equipment and contrast with the struggle? and it turns out that we Russians like to get on the turnip? if you were engaged in wrestling, then you know what's on the face too. you see how much in the Caucasus, it’s karate, boxing, mixed martial arts (!) champions for them that now it’s not shameful to get into a melon? Or do you think Caucasian karate, taekwondo, boxers, etc ... Soviet times are people without pride and traditions? who liked to receive in the face. but why repeat. we recently discussed this topic with Alibek. listen to him better, he still knows his traditions better
                divorced here Hardingushi connoisseurs of Caucasian traditions
                1. Karlsonn
                  Karlsonn 12 July 2013 19: 33 New
                  0
                  Quote: Gleb
                  it turns out that we love to get Russians by turnips? if you were engaged in wrestling, then you know what goes on in the face too. you look at how many champions in the Caucasus it is karate, boxing, mixed martial arts (!) for them that now it’s not shameful to get into a melon ? Or do you think of the Caucasian karate, taekwondo, boxers, etc ... Soviet times, people without pride and traditions? who liked to receive in the face. so why repeat it.


                  I say that in the USSR there were more guys from the Caucasus - fighters than drummers, that's all.
                  Now the trend has changed due to a number of reasons.
                  And here the dignity of Russians and non-Russians is not clear to me.


                  Quote: Gleb
                  divorced here Hardingushi connoisseurs of Caucasian traditions


                  What's wrong with him?
              2. Normal
                Normal 12 July 2013 20: 08 New
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                Quote: Karlsonn
                It is necessary to pay attention to the difference of cultures, for a resident of the Caucasus a blow to the face is a terrible insult, and this is why fighting as a sport is more characteristic of the inhabitants of the Caucasus.

                The usual, familiar divorce. To breed a Slav for a Caucasian is a trifling matter - to study from childhood.
                Not because Caucasians clutch at the knives because they were hit in the face. They themselves do not mind waving their fists, and even professional wrestlers fight their fists. Now, if in a fist fight, then they lose either a passage to the legs and a pain-strangling pain (athletes) or a knife-scalpel-injury (not spotrs)
                Caucasians are killed because such is the raiding culture, it’s in the blood. The raid - the killing of men, robbery, a woman is full and quickly back to the mountains. To fight and fight not when, and why not, you need to protect your retreat and the safety of the loot. Therefore, Caucasian kills rivals. You can always hide from revenge in the mountains.
                Russian lives settled, does not go on a raid. You won’t kill neighbors - they don’t understand, there’s nowhere to hide from retaliation — the plain. But there is tension in the relationship and then you are welcome in the spring to a frozen reservoir. And the fights were wall to wall. But you can’t kill - all of your own. Then the forgiveness of the Resurrection, everyone asks for forgiveness for previous grievances and forgives everyone.
                Understand the difference of cultures?
                Quote: Karlsonn
                With comrade Hardingush, I completely agree.

                Comrad Hardingush is doing a great job. He risks life, walks under death. Shaitanov catches and exterminates.
                But! Where does he do it? In the Ryazan region in the floodplains of the Oka River is at war with the robbers of Ryazan? In the forests of Novgorod oblast destroys dashing ushkunikov? In the Smolensk region looking for caches of Slavic murderers? No. In his native Caucasus, he fights with scumbags and chaos. He is fighting with his fellow tribesmen. And those of his fellow tribesmen who have not yet gone to the mountains are greyhound in the vastness of Mother Russia. And here, excuse me, he’s not a decree, I’m standing on my father’s land and I don’t intend to accept other people's traditions and rules. Let Hardingush restore order in his mountains, if he can handle it, and I cannot tolerate the cultural peculiarities of Caucasians in plain Russia.
                1. Karlsonn
                  Karlsonn 12 July 2013 21: 55 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Normal
                  The usual, familiar divorce. To breed a Slav for a Caucasian is a trifling matter - to study from childhood.


                  but I love the cons ....

                  a bit of masochism:

                  - those who lived in Khabarovsk in the early, mid and late 80s will not let you lie, if you are an Asian you will have real problems: humiliation, insults, fights (I'm talking about schoolchildren) - who taught this to “Russian” children from childhood? Like in the USSR, things were happening.

                  Personally, I have often met in competitions with a Georgian opponent, which later became the basis for partnership and didn’t notice this.

                  Quote: Normal
                  Caucasians are killed because such is the raiding culture, it’s in the blood. The raid - the killing of men, robbery, a woman is full and quickly back to the mountains. To fight and fight not when, and why not, you need to protect your retreat and the safety of the loot. Therefore, Caucasian kills rivals. You can always hide from revenge in the mountains.


                  He practically lived in the house of the girl he met with - a Georgian (lucky for me on them wink ) NOTHING LIKE THIS.


                  Quote: Normal
                  They themselves do not mind waving their fists, and even professional wrestlers fight their fists.


                  what I’m Russian and don’t immediately rush into the ground in a fight, I agree on this.

                  Quote: Normal
                  Now, if in a fist fight, then they lose either a passage to the legs and a pain-strangling pain (athletes) or a knife-scalpel-injury (not spotrs)


                  We have a guy killed in our district - mine, that's why I don’t share the calves by nationality.

                  Quote: Normal
                  Russian lives settled, does not go on a raid. You won’t kill neighbors - they don’t understand, there’s nowhere to hide from retaliation - the plain


                  Expressions such as:
                  - the law of taiga,
                  - here, really, the bear is not a prosecutor, are they talking about something?
                  1. Karlsonn
                    Karlsonn 12 July 2013 21: 57 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Normal
                    . And the fights were wall to wall. But you can’t kill - all of your own. Then the forgiveness of the Resurrection, everyone asks for forgiveness for previous grievances and forgives everyone.
                    Understand the difference of cultures?


                    To be honest, I am a great-power imperialist who adheres to extremely leftist views.
                    Moreover, in these tales a la: the Russians do not beat the speed bump, you can’t kill, the forgiveness Resurrection is all by the cash register.
                    Too many acquaintances, both in sports and in personal and in organs - MY PEOPLE are no longer with us and (like there in the film) - they were not killed in the war, they were killed by their own, Russian guys, so do not.

                    Quote: Normal
                    Comrad Hardingush is doing a great job


                    He’s generally well done and thanks to him.

                    Quote: Normal
                    In the Ryazan region in the floodplains of the Oka River is at war with the robbers of Ryazan?


                    And those who caught the "seaside partisans" - how are they?

                    Quote: Normal
                    Let Hardingush restore order in his mountains, if he can handle it, and I cannot tolerate the cultural peculiarities of Caucasians in plain Russia.


                    Hardingush is actually Russian, but in part you are right, since he brings order to our mountains.
                    And here they tried to rub banderlogs about their land - there were not enough forces.

                    The best friend of my grandfather on the front from the Caucasus - what to do?
                  2. Normal
                    Normal 13 July 2013 00: 46 New
                    +4
                    Quote: Karlsonn
                    to be honest

                    To be honest, half of the answers under the quotes have nothing to do with the quotes.

                    About Hardingush that he did not know Russian, I repent, but for some reason I doubt it. Moreover, I don’t refuse my opinion about the difference in cultures, you did not convince me and did not prove anything to me.

                    If for you the forgiven Sunday past the cash register, then I can not help with anything, but this does not mean that it is such for everyone.
                    Moreover, I wrote about a long-standing if not centuries-old tradition, and you give an example from the life of the working outskirts.

                    I also fought and not a little, although I did not deal specifically with martial arts. It was just such a tradition - they were at enmity with settlements. Our grandfathers fought, fathers fought, and we did not break traditions. But over the years 50-60 about which the legends of murder have not been preserved. And if they served in the army along with those with whom they fought in civilian life, they stood for each other.

                    Seaside guerrillas and those who caught them are generally not relevant, neither to the village nor to the city.

                    Correctly "Taiga-law, bear-prosecutor", and not as you wrote. In addition, the taiga was started not long ago, and in terms of mentality the Siberians differ from the Russians from central Russia. Not much, but there are differences.

                    Your peers were killed by the Russians. Very sorry. My Afghan, vodka, drugs, bandits in the nineties. But then, in Russia, Caucasians did not go with knives and did not rush at people because of their slanting eyes or for their remark. I’m not afraid, I’m 188 cm tall, 98 have a shaved skull, I have an evil face and people around me know that “Normal” cannot exist without a knife. But the children are scared.
                    The presence of your grandfather's Caucasian front-line friend does not give the right to young Caucasians unlimited in Russia.

                    About "his land" - did not understand. I live on the land of my ancestors and do not see anything wrong with that.

                    If you are a great-power imperialist, you should know that an empire was created by the efforts of the Russian people in the first place, and without Russians there would be no empire. Neither the Caucasus nor the Tajiks will create an empire, they do not need it.
                  3. Ruslan67
                    Ruslan67 13 July 2013 01: 04 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Normal
                    Very sorry. My Afghan, vodka, drugs, bandits in the nineties. But then, in Russia, Caucasians did not go with knives and did not throw people at

                    Volodya, well, to hell with him. Do you yourself understand what you write? In the 90s, we were the cops who were shaking the hucksters. Or hard workers who couldn’t fit in. You and I wrote the difference. It’s you and I who survived each in our own way. And it was in my St. Petersburg in the 90s that Caucasians of all stripes walked not with knives but with trunks. And neither in one tavern it was impossible to enter if not your own And they threw themselves like mad And no one distinguished and first of all we repeat who is of what nationality because otherwise it was impossible The thing is actually deeper only neither you nor I can change this request
                  4. Karlsonn
                    Karlsonn 13 July 2013 01: 51 New
                    0
                    Quote: Ruslan67
                    Volodya, well, to hell with him


                    with whom? winked


                    Quote: Ruslan67
                    Do you understand what you write? In the 90s, we were cops bandits whose hucksters were shaking Or hard workers who couldn’t fit in. You and I wrote the difference. It’s like you and I each survived.


                    that's it.

                    Quote: Ruslan67
                    And it was impossible to go into any tavern if not your own And they threw themselves like mad And no one distinguished and first of all we who of what nationality because otherwise it was impossible The thing is actually deeper only you and I cannot change this


                    to our billiard room, or to our training room (I’m not ashamed to say this) - a native of the Caucasus had only one ticket.
                  5. Ruslan67
                    Ruslan67 13 July 2013 01: 55 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Karlsonn
                    with whom?

                    repeat
                    Quote: Karlsonn
                    to our billiard room, or to our training room (I’m not ashamed to say this) - a native of the Caucasus had only one ticket.

                    In the crematorium or what? what wassat
                  6. Karlsonn
                    Karlsonn 13 July 2013 02: 24 New
                    0
                    Quote: Ruslan67
                    with whom?


                    "suspected" is not okay.




                    Quote: Ruslan67
                    In the crematorium or what?


                    there is such a term - "Brovarsky forest" - in the future, as I think, such burials will open there that Babi Yar will quietly shut up.


                    Quote: Ruslan67
                    In the crematorium or what?


                    there is a mass cemetery.
                  7. Karlsonn
                    Karlsonn 13 July 2013 04: 09 New
                    0
                    Quote: Ruslan67
                    Quote: Karlsonn
                    with whom?

                    Yeah
                  8. Ruslan67
                    Ruslan67 13 July 2013 04: 15 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Karlsonn
                    Yeah

                    Well what Ahh? belay Come on wassat
                  9. Karlsonn
                    Karlsonn 13 July 2013 04: 30 New
                    +1
                    sorry Please...
                  10. Ruslan67
                    Ruslan67 13 July 2013 04: 33 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Karlsonn
                    sorry Please...

                    then ... if you want ... crying repeat wassat
                  11. Karlsonn
                    Karlsonn 13 July 2013 04: 41 New
                    0
                    Quote: Ruslan67
                    then ... if you want ...

                    I kind of went too far ...
                  12. Ruslan67
                    Ruslan67 13 July 2013 04: 44 New
                    +1
                    Bullshit! Will live good drinks hi I sleep request
  • Karlsonn
    Karlsonn 13 July 2013 01: 46 New
    -1
    Quote: Normal
    To be honest, half of the answers under the quotes have nothing to do with the quotes.


    drain.

    Quote: Normal
    About Hardingush that he did not know Russian, I repent, but for some reason I doubt it.


    need to be responsible for your words.


    Quote: Normal
    Moreover, I don’t refuse my opinion about the difference in cultures, you did not convince me and did not prove anything to me.


    I did not torture illusions about this.


    Quote: Normal
    If for you the forgiven Sunday past the cash register, then I can not help with anything, but this does not mean that it is such for everyone.
    Moreover, I wrote about a long-standing if not centuries-old tradition, and you give an example from the life of the working outskirts


    I myself am from the outskirts, and a few gunshots and knife guns on my carcass, they tell me that the Slavs did not watch the film “The Barber of Siberia”.

    Quote: Normal
    Our grandfathers fought, fathers fought, and we did not break traditions. But over the years 50-60 about which the legends of murder have not been


    we seem to have an age gap - I'm younger.
    it’s bitter to say, but basically, when I was at the funeral, the killer was ours.


    Quote: Normal
    And if they served in the army along with those with whom they fought in civilian life, they stood for each other.


    I know this because I spent my childhood in the barracks and it’s wild for me to read all this.


    Quote: Normal
    Seaside guerrillas and those who caught them are generally not relevant, neither to the village nor to the city.


    Yeah, when the Russian wets the stubborn in Ingushetia, it is considered, and when near Vladivostok it is not.


    Quote: Normal
    Correctly "Taiga-law, bear-prosecutor", and not as you wrote. In addition, the taiga was started not long ago, and in terms of mentality the Siberians differ from the Russians from central Russia. Not much, but there are differences.
  • Karlsonn
    Karlsonn 13 July 2013 01: 47 New
    0
    Quote: Normal
    Correctly "Taiga-law, bear-prosecutor", and not as you wrote. In addition, the taiga was started not long ago, and in terms of mentality the Siberians differ from the Russians from central Russia. Not much, but there are differences.


    There are colossal, there are Far Eastern Cossacks who, even under the tsar-priest, went to China FOR THE POGOM AND THE BURNING.


    Quote: Normal
    Your peers were killed by the Russians. Very sorry. My Afghan, vodka, drugs, bandits in the nineties


    We collected certificates to get to Afghanistan, because we understood that there would be more sense from us - children from the families of officers, from sports schools of the USSR.
    We did not have time to pay our debt to the Motherland.
    Mine basically lie in the cemetery.
    and there’s nothing to be done about it.
    money, drugs, power and vodka took the best of my generation.

    Quote: Normal
    I’m not afraid, I’m 188 cm tall, 98 have a shaved skull, I have an evil face and people around me know that “Normal” cannot exist without a knife.


    I'm with my 175, 63 - especially Caucasians, too, not afraid, how so?

    Quote: Normal
    The presence of your grandfather's Caucasian front-line friend does not give the right to young Caucasians unlimited in Russia.


    at the moment, the children of Russian oligarchs frolic abroad, including committing crimes, is this an occasion to consider all Russians as criminals?


    Quote: Normal
    if you are a great-power imperialist you must know


    I know.
  • Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 12 July 2013 19: 08 New
    +4
    Quote: Karlsonn
    - redheads

    Since childhood, I hate all redheads except cats wassat You can end the survey on this. request
    1. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 12 July 2013 19: 35 New
      +1
      Quote: Ruslan67
      Since childhood, I hate all redheads except cats


      and I like redhead girls crying what to do?
      1. Ruslan67
        Ruslan67 12 July 2013 20: 27 New
        +7
        Quote: Karlsonn
        redhead girls like

        Well, what have the girls to do with it? They are not red - they are girls love
        1. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 12 July 2013 22: 00 New
          +2
          Quote: Ruslan67
          Well, what have the girls to do with it? They are not red - they are girls


          killed!
          count me a drain!
          there are simply no arguments to object.
      2. Karlsonn
        Karlsonn 12 July 2013 23: 38 New
        +1
        I want to know, why am I minus?
        for the fact that I like red girls?
        or for my views, which I expressed in previous comments?
        I hope the minuscule will have enough decency, honesty and courage to explain.
        1. Ruslan67
          Ruslan67 12 July 2013 23: 46 New
          +4
          Quote: Karlsonn
          I want to know, why am I minus?

          Well maybe they like redheads but not girls request laughing
          1. Karlsonn
            Karlsonn 13 July 2013 01: 53 New
            +1
            Quote: Ruslan67
            Well maybe they like redheads but not girls


            I feel sorry for them, red-haired girls in bed - fire!
          2. Ruslan67
            Ruslan67 13 July 2013 02: 01 New
            +1
            Quote: Karlsonn
            I feel sorry for them,

            And I already have red ones - suddenly they don’t like these request wassat
          3. Karlsonn
            Karlsonn 13 July 2013 04: 31 New
            0
            Quote: Ruslan67
            And I already have red ones - suddenly they don’t like these
            - who doesn't love?
          4. Ruslan67
            Ruslan67 13 July 2013 04: 34 New
            +1
            Quote: Karlsonn
            - who doesn't love?

            well these repeat
          5. Karlsonn
            Karlsonn 13 July 2013 04: 43 New
            +1
            Quote: Ruslan67
            well these

            I can not do anything with the red girls.
          6. Ruslan67
            Ruslan67 13 July 2013 04: 46 New
            +1
            Quote: Karlsonn
            I can not do anything with the red girls.

            Just Romanovich today suggested-sideways cancer and the classic is just your part laughing
  • Blackgrifon
    Blackgrifon 12 July 2013 22: 00 New
    +1
    Quote: Karlsonn
    No need to divide the citizens of Russia by nationality !!!


    I agree with you, Karlsonn, but at the same time it is necessary to force everyone who lives in Russia to comply with at least part of the criminal administrative rules. And brutally punish a number of certain actions. At the same time, only representatives of the titular peoples of Russia (Russians, Ukrainians, Tatars, Mordovians) cannot be blamed for nationalism - this is the first step towards the development of separatism on the outskirts.
    1. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 12 July 2013 23: 40 New
      0
      Quote: Blackgrifon
      I agree with you, Karlsonn, but at the same time it is necessary to force everyone who lives in Russia to comply with at least part of the criminal administrative rules. And brutally punish a number of certain actions. At the same time, only representatives of the titular peoples of Russia cannot be blamed


      I subscribe to every word - the law should be steel for everyone.

      I’m sorry, I can only plus your comment, as it turned out your rating I once raised - like the limit has been exhausted, but it's a pity.
  • Karlsonn
    Karlsonn 12 July 2013 23: 35 New
    0
    Quote: Karlsonn
    for this reason, for residents of the Caucasus, fighting as a sport is more characteristic.


    I don’t know how a classic wrestler knows a bunch of national types of wrestling both in the Caucasus and in Central Asia, and in martial arts.
    I will be grateful to everyone who dispels my ignorance.
    CAPACITY is taken into account only the period until 1926.
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 12 July 2013 23: 40 New
      +1
      Lyosha, what’s the answer? I'm on this thread
      1. Karlsonn
        Karlsonn 13 July 2013 01: 57 New
        +1
        Quote: Den 11
        Lyosha, what’s the answer? I'm on this thread


        what to say - I am ashamed of the fascist statements here.
        I really want to go to Cuba to not see all this.
        when a person hates a person only because of color: eyes, skin and hair --- I want to puke and emigrate to Cuba or to the DPRK.
        the plague on both of your houses !!! am
    2. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 13 July 2013 04: 11 New
      0
      I basically did not understand? Is there anyone who will tell me about the shocking Caucasian techniques?
  • Karlsonn
    Karlsonn 12 July 2013 16: 19 New
    -3
    Quote: mark7
    I’d like to understand what the Diaspora is?


    Diaspora - a part of a people (ethnic group) living outside their country of origin, forming united and stable ethnic groups in their country of residence, and having social institutions to maintain and develop their identity and community.

    Quote: mark7
    and what are they for?


    Living in the Diaspora is easier.


    Quote: mark7
    Also, as I understand the national community, it is worth the Slavs something similar to organize immediately the Nationalists.


    I am a Russian living in Ukraine, I am part of the Russian diaspora here.
    Nobody writes me to nationalists.

    Being in the "rotting West", from the beginning on the advice of friends, and then completely out of courage wassat , I used the stereotype that all Russians are in the “Russian mafia” and that all Russian “bloodthirsty morlocks” were really fun and really help. bully

    Quote: mark7
    Thinks one-sidedly with the author


    expand.

    Quote: mark7
    I don’t remember the case when a Slav killed a Caucasian simply for an unloved word.


    I remember.
    1. Ascetic
      Ascetic 12 July 2013 18: 21 New
      +3
      Quote: Karlsonn
      Being in the “decaying West”, from the beginning, on the advice of friends, and then completely out of courage, he used the stereotype that all Russians in the “Russian mafia” and that all Russian “bloodthirsty morlocks” really fun and VERY help.


      In France, I also encountered a similar attitude while visiting relatives, .. very funny, I even had to play along smile
      Without tears of laughter I do not remember crying This is where the country of frightened idiots is. Especially in the outback ... It was ten years ago, then I told them that you were all slowly degrading from satiety and infantility ... as we see, it turned out to be right.
      1. Karlsonn
        Karlsonn 12 July 2013 18: 52 New
        0
        Quote: Ascetic
        In France, I also encountered a similar attitude while visiting relatives, .. very funny, I even had to play along


        On the one hand - it’s a shame for the power, on the other - it’s not possible to hold on repeat , well, the films a la "Export vice" and "Siberian education" only "escalate and rock." laughing

        They say that there will be the second part of the "vice", what must go to the premiere of "over the hill" bully .
        1. Ruslan67
          Ruslan67 12 July 2013 19: 04 New
          +5
          Quote: Karlsonn
          must go to the premiere of "over the hill"

          Do not forget to put on a padded jacket and grab a balalaika wassat It is better to buy the capital city on the spot, the main thing is not Turkish
          1. Karlsonn
            Karlsonn 12 July 2013 19: 38 New
            0
            Quote: Ruslan67
            Do not forget to put on a padded jacket and grab a balalaika


            nonsense "russ mafia" other accessories bully .
            1. Ruslan67
              Ruslan67 12 July 2013 21: 08 New
              +4
              Quote: Karlsonn
              nonsense "russ mafia" other accessories

              A la Chicago 30s bully Russ
              1. Karlsonn
                Karlsonn 12 July 2013 22: 01 New
                -1
                Quote: Ruslan67
                A la Chicago 30s


                Did not guess tongue
      2. builder
        builder 12 July 2013 23: 22 New
        +4
        all Russian "bloodthirsty morlocks" --- really had fun and VERY helped.
        Are you talking about it? wink
        1. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 13 July 2013 00: 07 New
          +3
          Quote: stroitel
          Are you talking about it?


          In a very mild degree !!!
          AAAA!

          A classic case in London for Russians, (I mean that on days off, football matches London is a SCRIPT !!!) so (both I got in and my friends told me that they live there constantly, and it's not uncommon in the net)

          Angles thump !!! - By the way, everything that they say about the Russians drinking too much is a lie, "drop in" in England, Scotland, Ireland - HAND FACE.

          but I was distracted, so the London tavern, and not the first on the way, I travel in a group of "ours" who live there permanently and a couple of three English women. Later I realized that flaunting in a T-shirt with Che and behaving as I see myself at home - in Troieschyna (KVN to help) - is a mistake.
          So the disposition (I am lightweight - the Soviet school of sports affected the development of the body, so it weighs 60 to 67 kg.) Grabs a couple of London brothers, such as Vinnie Jones, and they are interested in how I am so greyhound (I understand that they will beat me now - I take time for this, besides the fact that they want a fight - from their English version - I don’t understand) - I’m calling an English girl who studied Russian in college and ask me to translate what these ghouls are saying insolently.
          The girl translates to me that I am provocatively behaving, that I have no right to their girls (I didn’t pretend to be fears), men during the translation, looking at my plowed “face” in the 90s, and with one-eyed eyes, they begin to I suspect that 65 kg. is not easy, at the end of the translation, the English girl says a fatal phrase: - he is Russian, he does not understand you.

          laughing laughing laughing the only time I regretted that I don’t have an iPhone or something.
          Oil painting - I was watered as a "Russian Mafia" before closing, this is in the afternoon. There were no problems with the locals, they offered weapons (AND THIS IS IN LONDON !!!).
          Conclusion: if cho find me in London. wink
          1. builder
            builder 13 July 2013 00: 36 New
            0
            He laughed heartily laughing
            1. Karlsonn
              Karlsonn 13 July 2013 02: 27 New
              +2
              Quote: stroitel
              He laughed heartily


              comrade would you know what I experienced when these pissed off for the English ....
        2. Normal
          Normal 13 July 2013 00: 57 New
          +3
          Quote: stroitel
          Are you talking about it?

          Alexei. I also wanted to lay out, but it didn’t work, only some rubbish on the computer grabbed. wassat Cool video! good
          1. Karlsonn
            Karlsonn 13 July 2013 03: 02 New
            0
            Quote: Normal
            Cool video!


            almost everything is.
  • Blackgrifon
    Blackgrifon 12 July 2013 21: 56 New
    +1
    Quote: mark7
    I’d like to understand what the Diaspora is and why? Why, as I understand the national community, it’s worth the Slavs to organize something like this right away by the Nationalists. I don’t agree with the author and think one-sidedly, the authorities were instructed to put things in order there, which they do, and people I’m going to live there. I don’t remember a case when a Slav killed a Caucasian simply for a word he didn’t like.


    But you can call a lot of cases when Caucasians were the initiators of the violation of the general order. It is significant that until now Chechens have not been drafted into the Army, nor are Dagestanis — and yet anyone who is more or less familiar with the army will talk about the reasons. I’m not a fascist, but the constant pressure in the media, and the events of the two Chechen wars make me constantly think that it is really impossible to make respect at least the UKRF?
    1. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 12 July 2013 22: 03 New
      0
      Quote: Blackgrifon
      It is significant that until now Chechens have not been drafted into the Army, nor are Dagestanis — and yet anyone who is more or less familiar with the army will talk about the reasons.


      Yeah, let's dump everything in a bunch.
    2. Ruslan67
      Ruslan67 12 July 2013 23: 51 New
      +2
      Quote: Blackgrifon
      It’s significant that until now Chechens haven’t been drafted into the Army,

      Tell it to the fighters of the East and West battles - better personally love With the same smile, they will put the flower on the grave bully
    3. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 13 July 2013 04: 13 New
      0
      Quote: Blackgrifon
      But you can call a lot of cases when Caucasians were the initiators of the violation of the general order.


      Comrade, take you to a cemetery?
      1. Blackgrifon
        Blackgrifon 13 July 2013 13: 55 New
        0
        Quote: Karlsonn
        Comrade, take you to a cemetery?

        What for? We are not discussing the level of mortality. And then the "bad sheep" is everywhere. The thing is that:
        1. many people think that everything is possible for them (it’s not only about Caucasians (although the image was created long ago), representatives of the titular peoples often “shine”;
        2. disrespect for the law (including moral standards and local traditions) strikes a negative attitude towards violators and the country as a whole;
        3. A special presentation of information in the media (an example according to Pugachev, when it was stated that the residents proposed to hold a referendum on the separation of Chechnya, he was greeted with applause).
  • Gari
    Gari 12 July 2013 12: 25 New
    11
    Of course, murder cannot be justified, man, with your fists, prove that you are a man, and an ax, a knife, a scalpel are a sign of a coward.
    to the nearest medical facility, bleeding Marzhanov literally on their hands brought young people who were companions, attention, Nazirova (Chechens living in the Saratov Pugachev).
    It is also important that the same young people extradited Nazirov, who killed Marzhanov, to law enforcement agencies.
    However, the majority of Russian and foreign media reports that the representatives of the Chechen diaspora tried to help the dying Ruslan and did not cover the criminal are for some reason not covered. Why so? The answer is quite simple: there are certain forces in Russia that are eager to use the negativity that sits in many Russians in relation to people from the Caucasus
    This is all true, but apparently it’s already so ripe for people that the people are on their feet no one will just go out on the street if they’ve already come to live, live in your family at home, as you know, and on the street - follow the laws and
    customs of that country, city, speak the language where you live in someone else’s monastery do not climb their charter.
    I myself lived in Russia for several years and I personally have no problems anywhere, and therefore there was nobody with anyone, you will accept these conditions and you will be accepted
    1. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 12 July 2013 22: 05 New
      +2
      Quote: Gari
      I myself lived in Russia for several years and I personally have no problems anywhere, and therefore there was nobody with anyone, you will accept these conditions and you will be accepted


      I have long dreamed of getting into your area, my father told me a lot of good things, although he served in difficult times.
      I won’t get together. sad
      1. Gari
        Gari 13 July 2013 09: 21 New
        +1
        Quote: Karlsonn
        I have long dreamed of getting into your area, my father told me a lot of good things, although he served in difficult times.
        I won’t get together.

        Good afternoon, sorry in the evening I was already at the cottage, but Tom is no longer up to the Internet, every evening friends and .....
        Welcome to Armenia.
    2. Airman
      Airman 12 July 2013 23: 48 New
      +2
      Quote: Gari
      Of course, murder cannot be justified, man, with your fists, prove that you are a man, and an ax, a knife, a scalpel are a sign of a coward.
      to the nearest medical facility, bleeding Marzhanov literally on their hands brought young people who were companions, attention, Nazirova (Chechens living in the Saratov Pugachev).
      It is also important that the same young people extradited Nazirov, who killed Marzhanov, to law enforcement agencies.
      However, the majority of Russian and foreign media reports that the representatives of the Chechen diaspora tried to help the dying Ruslan and did not cover the criminal are for some reason not covered. Why so? The answer is quite simple: there are certain forces in Russia that are eager to use the negativity that sits in many Russians in relation to people from the Caucasus
      This is all true, but apparently it’s already so ripe for people that the people are on their feet no one will just go out on the street if they’ve already come to live, live in your family at home, as you know, and on the street - follow the laws and
      customs of that country, city, speak the language where you live in someone else’s monastery do not climb their charter.
      I myself lived in Russia for several years and I personally have no problems anywhere, and therefore there was nobody with anyone, you will accept these conditions and you will be accepted


      Gary, I served in Leninakan (Gyumri) after the earthquake. Block posts were put up from my unit, during the day both Azerbaijanis and Armenians came with assurances of friendship, and shooting started at night, and we were between two fires. When the signal missiles were fired, the fire opened to defeat. So it was 3-4 days, then silence. After a while, it all started all over again, for whom silence was not beneficial.
      1. Gari
        Gari 13 July 2013 09: 38 New
        +1
        Quote: Povshnik
        After a while, it all started all over again, for whom silence was not beneficial.

        That's it for someone, someone who has achieved his goal
        sowing hostility between nations and the result ruined the Union.
        1. Misantrop
          Misantrop 13 July 2013 10: 12 New
          +3
          Quote: Gari
          That's it for someone, someone who has achieved his goal
          sowing enmity between nations
          And the stupid local population is doing all this. Foolishly, from scratch, right? Or is it not only because of the machinations of cunning provocateurs that this happens?
          A small fact. A year ago, his brother needed a storeroom. Small. Near Moscow, Balashikha. He began to search and ... found that ALL premises suitable for this purpose are under the control ... of the Armenian diaspora. But this hell with him, as they say, is worse than another. The fact that there is NOT A single room with properly executed ownership documents. That is, all this is before the first serious check. But then the rental prices are one and a half to two times higher than inside the Garden Ring ...
          Are these provocations of nationalists or just the indefatigable greed of someone?
          1. Gari
            Gari 13 July 2013 12: 15 New
            +1
            Quote: Misantrop
            And the stupid local population is doing all this. Foolishly, from scratch, right? Or is it not only because of the machinations of cunning provocateurs that this happens?
            A small fact. Year

            No, it’s not a waste, there are problems who deny, life is very difficult, and of course people are intolerant, irritated and who is to blame, of course strangers, especially if the more successful ones were, are and will be everywhere and not only in Russia, and you from Balashikha are very happy, my closest friend, Romka, too, invites everyone, but I can’t come, oh finance
    3. Setrac
      Setrac 13 July 2013 05: 56 New
      -2
      Quote: Gari
      Of course, murder cannot be justified, man, with your fists, prove that you are a man, and an ax, a knife, a scalpel are a sign of a coward.

      When this former paratrooper chose a victim for self-affirmation, he probably chose the healthiest in the club? Or a small, feeble Chechen (not aware of his physique). I don’t see a tragedy here, some farce, one decided to assert himself, the victim rebuffed, but exceeded the necessary self-defense. What about a girl? Did she insult her? Have you been raped? Or did the Chechen behave with dignity?
      1. Blackgrifon
        Blackgrifon 13 July 2013 12: 19 New
        +1
        Quote: Setrac
        When this former paratrooper chose a victim for self-affirmation, he probably chose the healthiest in the club? Or a small, feeble Chechen (not aware of his physique). I don’t see a tragedy here, some farce, one decided to assert himself, the victim rebuffed, but exceeded the necessary self-defense. What about a girl? Did she insult her? Have you been raped? Or did the Chechen behave with dignity?


        It is the task for the SCRF to establish facts and causes. And the fact that this event was actively disseminated in the media from a certain angle should cause certain conclusions.
    4. Blackgrifon
      Blackgrifon 13 July 2013 12: 16 New
      +2
      Quote: Gari
      This is all true, but apparently it’s already so matured among people that no one will just step on the street if they’ve already come to live, live in your family at home, as you know, and follow the laws and customs of that country on the street, cities, speak the language where you live in someone else’s monastery do not climb their charter. I myself lived in Russia for several years and I personally have no problems anywhere, and therefore there was nobody with anyone, you will accept these conditions and you will be accepted


      It is the same everywhere - but when a certain stereotype is actively used in society - you involuntarily start to believe.

      About the Army - comrades, baht. East and West are a bad example - they can be called the successors of the famous Wild Division. And in the linear parts, the appeal is very small - there are too many conflicts on household grounds.
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  • Gari
    Gari 12 July 2013 12: 28 New
    +5
    Quote: domokl
    Wise people are everywhere. The conversation is not about wisdom. The conversation is that they really want to break us on a national basis. I wrote about this in the comments on the first article on this subject.

    That's right, according to the same scenario, the Great Country-USSR was destroyed.
    So true
    Quote: domokl
    The people advocated justice. For the rule of law. And most importantly, it was not national hatred, but distrust of the authorities. Namely to the authorities, in the person of the local police department.

    100500 pluses to you
    1. smile
      smile 12 July 2013 15: 02 New
      +4
      Gari
      Thank you for your position.
      1. Gari
        Gari 12 July 2013 15: 51 New
        +6
        Quote: smile
        Gari
        Thank you for your position.

        I am writing what I think
        I myself love Lezghinka, although it’s not our Armenian dance, but beautiful, fiery, I like to listen and dance, but I perfectly understand everyone who doesn't like dancing in the streets or courtyards of Russian cities
        There are norms of behavior, the culture adopted in different regions, cities, countries, everywhere is different. But for each place its own, once I arrived, kindly follow them.
        1. smile
          smile 12 July 2013 19: 29 New
          +3
          Gari
          you’ll laugh, but I like Lezginka too - and music and dance (dhikr evokes an incomprehensible aggressive attitude towards him, at the level of instincts) ... :)))), but when I hear about it on the streets of our cities it rages ... here in the comments our parted ... he’s also getting angry! ... Thanks anyway ... and I’ll go to another branch .. I don’t have to read this and curse ... so the mood turned bad ...
    2. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 12 July 2013 22: 06 New
      +3
      Quote: Gari
      That's right, according to the same scenario, the Great Country-USSR was destroyed.
      So true


      The USSR was torn and on a national basis, it is painful to watch how now they are also trying to tear Russia.
    3. Blackgrifon
      Blackgrifon 13 July 2013 12: 22 New
      +1
      Quote: Gari
      Quote: domoklThe people advocated justice. For the rule of law. And most importantly, it was not national hatred, but distrust of the authorities. Namely to the authorities, in the person of the local police department.


      In our country, this attitude to the police is everywhere. What image, what actions of individual employees created a certain image of this organization.
      Although there are friends in the police, I still don’t trust the police.
  • baltika-18
    baltika-18 12 July 2013 12: 35 New
    19
    Quote: domokl
    . Sowed grain and people, without realizing it, spread this scum on an Internet.

    Scum, Sasha, is carried by someone who says that the Chechen problem in particular and the Caucasus in general does not exist and what sometimes happens in a country with people of a given nationality is nothing more than provocation and domestic squabbles.
    And they never thought that everyday life is our everyday life, and that life and being are the words of the same root, and that people's being is primary, and that power is secondary, and its desire to obscure the problem and pretend to be an ostrich express a disregard for this very being of people.
    By the way, why does the GDP say nothing about this, is there nothing to say, or is it already insolent enough?
    1. virm
      virm 12 July 2013 14: 03 New
      +4
      When Pugachev speaks, Putin is silent.
      1. Karlsonn
        Karlsonn 13 July 2013 00: 13 New
        -1
        Quote: virm
        Pugachev


        comrade virm Do you know what Pugachev’s troops did during the riot?
        1. Blackgrifon
          Blackgrifon 13 July 2013 12: 25 New
          0
          Quote: Karlsonn
          Comrade virm Do you know what Pugachev’s troops did during the riot?


          Karlsonn! Excuse me, you can’t call the Pugachevites troops — these were mainly Cossack detachments and the mass of rebellious peasants — in short, gangs.
    2. domokl
      domokl 12 July 2013 14: 16 New
      +3
      Quote: baltika-18
      t, who says that the Chechen in particular and the Caucasus generally do not exist

      The problem exists. And why does it exist only where the authorities turn a blind eye to the shameless behavior of the Caucasians? And there is no such problem where the same demands are made on everyone?
      And as for the statement of the VVL, I’m for it ... The guilty will be found and will be punished in accordance with Russian law. Mery (GDP) has been instructed the prosecutor general to take personal control .. and then the corresponding blablab ...
      1. baltika-18
        baltika-18 12 July 2013 14: 25 New
        +2
        Quote: domokl
        The problem exists. And why does it exist only where the authorities turn a blind eye

        The authorities turned a blind eye to this problem for a long time, and all over the country immediately, according to the highest command.
        Quote: domokl
        Those responsible will be found and punished in accordance with Russian law.

        10-12 years maximum, which will be debatable.
        And they will serve even less, they will buy them off, I know very well how this is done.
        Is it really incomprehensible that the power needs to be changed in the country or the power itself must change.
        1. Yozhas
          Yozhas 12 July 2013 15: 58 New
          +4
          What can we talk about if the so-called Hero of Russia, the president of Chechnya, Kadyrov openly admits that he killed the first Russian (and therefore there were more ...) at the age of 16, moreover, he was a civilian, not a military man in a fair fight, and he doesn’t have anything for that they didn’t carry out an investigation, naturally all Chechens will think that they can do the same and they have laid down on Russian laws.

          http://svyatorus.com/politika/3035-ramzan-kadyrov-zayavil-chto-pervogo-russkogo-
          on-ubil-v-16-let.html
    3. Very old
      Very old 12 July 2013 14: 36 New
      +2
      And in that capital there is an avenue of your name?
  • vezunchik
    vezunchik 12 July 2013 14: 49 New
    +3
    I wrote more than once that not everything is good in the Saratov region, and a lot of envy from local officials. And the local "minusers" prove that everything is fine in power. So they waited - first Voronezh, now Pugachev, and then ???
    Each nationality has its own heroes and jackals. Serdyukov and the Russian company ..... But people simply got tired of the lawlessness of local authorities, but they don’t want to change it and all the same people continue doing the same thing ... There is work, but very little paid little ... The last two months there have been shifts in the best side is the truth.
    This year I closed the IP for three months and went to the tax office, I didn’t fill out the entire declaration, but I don’t know how to do it again. I paid taxes, and when I received the statement I was surprised that the tax owes me 11 thousand rubles. I can’t get it - 3 years have passed, although according to the Tax Code, I had to send a letter to me and say that I have an overpayment. But they did not do this and claim that everything is posture .... Recognize our fault, but ....
    These are the little things on all levels and especially in rural areas and lead to disastrous consequences ...
    1. smile
      smile 12 July 2013 15: 20 New
      +2
      vezunchik
      I'm sorry. but the fact that you missed the statute of limitations is your fault and a draw more. If you are an entrepreneur, then you should take care of legal support. But to work in any field without knowing the rules and laws that regulate this sphere ... it’s the same as declaring war and not taking care that you have an army ... I don’t want to offend you, but this example testifies to how people blame the authorities for their miscalculations ... and don’t understand that it’s their fault and nobody else’s ... excuse me, I’m also sorry for you that you’ve got into such a situation, but ...
      1. Blackgrifon
        Blackgrifon 13 July 2013 12: 35 New
        0
        Quote: smile
        If you are an entrepreneur, then you should take care of legal support. But to work in any field without knowing the rules and laws that regulate this sphere ... it’s the same as declaring war and not taking care that you have an army ... I don’t want to offend you, but this example testifies to how people blame the authorities for their miscalculations ... and don’t understand that it’s their fault and nobody else’s ... excuse me, I’m also sorry for you that you’ve got into such a situation, but ...


        A couple of situations from life:
        A citizen calls the reception room of one regional ministry. The employee competently, politely (there are witnesses) advised the caller. Citizen’s response: “Thank you. Everything is fine. But still, you are a candidate of co-ordinance!”

        Or another story - a citizen of the administration accused the insulting person of the administration - she called, and she immediately got a 7-story mat and stuff - the employee was saved only by the fact that during her conversation there were citizens in the office. They confirmed the fact of the normal treatment of the applicant.

        There are a lot of such stories, I myself got into such :)
    2. Blackgrifon
      Blackgrifon 13 July 2013 12: 29 New
      0
      Quote: vezunchik
      I paid taxes, and when I received the statement I was surprised that the tax owes me 11 thousand rubles. I can’t get it - 3 years have passed, although according to the Tax Code, I had to send a letter to me and say that I have an overpayment. But they didn’t do this and claim that everything is cognitive .... Recognize our fault, but .... These are the little things on all levels and especially in the countryside and lead to disastrous consequences ...

      Contact a competent lawyer. You can try to restore the statute of limitations through the court - the beginning of the term should be the date of receipt of the statement - i.e. when you found out about a fact, not when it happened. The state duty should not be large.
  • FATEMOGAN
    FATEMOGAN 12 July 2013 17: 58 New
    +3
    Quote: domokl
    Wise people are everywhere. The conversation is not about wisdom. The conversation is that they really want to break us on a national basis. I wrote about this in the comments on the first article on this subject.


    The fact of the matter is that during the tragedy, with blood, all kinds of hands are trying to warm their hands, including white-tape ones, which flew there like horse-drawn blood. The fact that the white-tape ones there are trying to break the situation, this alone should alert and give reason to think deeply, is it all clear .... Nice to stand on this on http://ipolk.ru/blog/8920.html

    Media, EchoMats, Rain, Komersant, bulk-type bloggers drove the wave all at once.
    Since this was all planned, it became interesting for me to sort out the issue.

    And so, they began to claim that the Chechens arrived there.
    Chechens have been living there for decades. They did not come there in recent years. People have lived there since Soviet times. In Soviet times, many citizens worked throughout the Soviet Union. The Chechens did not appear there yesterday. Here is the ok who stabbed this guy - he’s just a criminal with a term, he arrived there a week ago. And to the previous Chechens who lived there, there were no complaints. This is Ruslan Morzhanov, he was very friendly with the Chechens, he grew up with them. The Chechens took this killer and beat him there, and handed over to the police. The question is - who organized all this time? Who added defamation?

    Why did Navalny post a video on his blog that tanks and armored personnel carriers were going to Pugachev, although this was an outright lie? How then can Navalny be a candidate for mayor of Moscow when he is an outspoken liar and criminal?

    Of course, one can argue and say that bulk later admitted in passing that the video was fake, but a person who claims to be a politician does not have the right to post provocative articles and videos in their pure form. Why did all liberal bloggers rush there, you know, all the opposition, and suddenly began to support? What did they start to support? A month ago, in the city of Engels, Saratov Region, scumbags killed brutally a war veteran and his wife. And these thugs are not Chechens and not Caucasians, believe me. At about the same time in another city in the Saratov region, it was just recently that an old man and his wife were tortured to death with a soldering iron. Same. Why do not these events become resonant? Because they are not picked up. The beginning of the campaign to secession of the Caucasus as a weak point of power, because, naturally, the Caucasian policy is not fully structured. It was given a survey of the Levada Center, where the question was asked - do you want the Chechen Republic to separate from the Russian Federation? Opinion polls depend on the polls. This is how the question was formulated ... was this question accidentally formulated or not? So 40%, even with this question, answered - NO!
    1. FATEMOGAN
      FATEMOGAN 12 July 2013 18: 02 New
      -3
      The most important thing is that already at the time of the events there were some people who controlled these events. We read what Saratov bloggers write about it, who understand, who are not psychopaths, who are not liberal oppositionists or crazy nationalists. They describe everything. How did the manipulators get there.

      There was a domestic brawl in which one man stabbed, unfortunately, a former soldier who had drunk in the past, understand? I express my condolences to his parents. So, the father of this soldier immediately said - vodka is to blame for everything. And the truth is vodka is to blame. Well, it would seem that everything was arrested. No one is going to let him go. The Chechens themselves brought it. Well, judge him, please.

      Visiting guests, and according to the estimates of the residents themselves, about 80% need hostility, contention and strife to destabilize the situation. The positive thing is that the citizens of the city do not follow the provocateurs. After 2 days in the blogs of the population you see these tweets:
      1. baltika-18
        baltika-18 12 July 2013 18: 47 New
        +5
        Quote: FATEMOGAN
        Visitors who are visiting, and according to the estimates of the residents themselves, about 80% need hostility,

        Lying and not blushing.
        I already wrote about it today. A wave of lies has come.
        1. FATEMOGAN
          FATEMOGAN 12 July 2013 19: 06 New
          -4
          Quote: baltika-18
          Quote: FATEMOGANThe newcomers are touring, and according to the estimates of the inhabitants themselves, about 80% need enmity, Lie and do not blush. I wrote today about this. A wave of lies has come.


          Of course I’m lying, all the liars who are against inciting hostility in our country, and it’s only you who are telling the truth, and the garnet tape grants, which they have been trying to build Tahrir Square with us for several years, to disunite people and crush the country. I didn’t get it done in the capital, so we went to the regions. Why are grantozhki silent when veterans are killed by all sorts of scum, and not Caucasians !! Why do they appear only when there is even the slightest clue to embroil people, you did not try to ask yourself such a question, strange coincidences, however !!! you just think about what will happen to Russia, if they succeed, it will blaze so that hell will we ever get out of the war.
          1. FATEMOGAN
            FATEMOGAN 12 July 2013 19: 19 New
            0
            July 11, 2013 Lev Vershinin


            The plot of the events in Pugachev from the only, perhaps, really talented tele-troubadour of the opposition has been removed, I will pay tribute professionally. Fulfilling an order for the promotion of a political scandal, the author does it so skillfully, carefully pumping emotions that you can’t find fault. One thing remains: do not listen to him at all. And listen to what people say. The very people for whom the zealots of the opposition party in all its colors suffer and who are given 6 minutes 17 seconds in the plot.

            First of all: nobody has anything against the Chechens as such. All claims against young people who recently arrived and impose their own rules. “Let them figure out where they work, what they do,” the First Woman in Glasses demands (1.19–1.48). The same thing - “Let the unwritten (sic!) Leave” - says the Third Woman with Glasses (2.21–2.41). “I know many Chechens, normal guys, they behave decently ... But the family has its black sheep. We don’t mind that they live here, but let them behave correctly ... Let the diasporas engage in upbringing, ”the Man in the Yellow T-shirt sums up, and the Man in the Light Green Mike supports him (2.41. – 3.23; 4.42. – 5.16). And this approach does not cause any objection from surrounding.

            At the same time, the natural and justified indignation of people is actively fueled by rumors and gossip. The killer, convicted last year, says the Second Woman in Glasses (1.49–2.21), “people say that they already walk in Chechnya in the wild ... people say that.” “Most likely, he came out on parole ... people don’t believe that he is sitting,” echoes her (5.37. – 5.46) the already familiar Man in the Yellow T-shirt. And the Man in Kletchaty (5.16. – 5.37) already simply, without any “most likely” and “saying”, cuts off the shoulder: “They staged in Chechnya and released, and there he is a hero of Chechnya.” It is clear that no one went to Chechnya to check, but people are ready to believe inventions, even the most ridiculous ones, that someone skillfully dismisses. “When the rally began, the Chechen began to dance the Lezghinka right behind the head of the police,” the same Man in Kletchaty (3.23.-4.42) is indignant, though with the caveat: “I myself didn’t see, but the guys were screaming, and I offended ... "

            That this is a lezginka in front of an inflated crowd is nonsense, there is no doubt, but people are already ready to believe the obvious nonsense. Moreover, to see some evil machinations in the most everyday details. “The girls appeared in the hijab, - this is again the Man in Kletchaty, offended by the Lezghin who she didn’t see, although he simply couldn’t see, being in the square if she was. - Do you know how much? On the market, 2-3 per day ... ”At the same time, without realizing that there were about a hundred Chechens living in the city after all, and their women (the stump is clear, in headscarves) just couldn't help but go to the market for groceries, and alone, Caucasian women do not go, all the more so as they make many purchases for large families.

            In short, cutting off rumors, emotions and quite sound thoughts that not “all Chechens” are to blame, but Chechen thugs who “must be brought up”, in the bottom line we get 2 minutes 50 seconds of constructive. The main reason for the explosion, says Big Uncle in Rozovoy (5.46–6.54), trying to look at the root, is still not Chechens - “the young people drive, they beat everyone in a row,” but the “organs” that are either “afraid of themselves”, then is there anything else ... But there’s still more fault with those who, - says the balanced Man in the Yellow T-shirt (6.57–7.36), “should order, not order,” and in general, brought the matter to the point that “here the governor has arrived - and a light appeared in the center ... What did they think before? ” - and a few words about the "mayor".
            1. FATEMOGAN
              FATEMOGAN 12 July 2013 19: 20 New
              +1
              In principle, it is possible without moralite.
              But since there are those who lack something for the “total”, please.

              1. The problem of aggravation of interethnic relations in Russia is foolish to deny, because it exists. And it is caused by more than objective reasons related to the internal migration of the population, at a certain moment of development characteristic of any state. Even mono-ethnic, where the role of “strangers” is played by their own, native people from the villages, from the point of view of the native townspeople, “massively come along”, “boundless”, “clinging to each other” and “grabbing the best places”. This is a very acute and delicate issue, which must be solved delicately, otherwise the consequences can be dire.

              2. The presence of forces parasitizing on these issues and provoking mutual hatred is clear and obvious, taunting not the most intelligent strata of the population, whom, alas, the majority, seemingly “simplicity” of answers and objectively leading the cause to the collapse of the country. According to the same patterns that once fell and broke the USSR. The names of the “theorists” are well-known, and whoever pulls the strings — whether cynics who bet on “divide and rule”, bastards who are ready to ruin the country in order to maintain power even in the largest fragment, or smart uncles who pursue their patriotic benefits - for the cordon - I can’t judge. But one does not exclude the other.

              3. The limit of strength that the ideology of “stability” had in reserve was exhausted. The construction of power - this is especially noticeable at its foot - no longer just fails, but ceases to function, and the irresponsibility multiplied by corruption schemes most resembles the sarcoma to the last degree. The events in Pugachev, of course, are not yet a thunderstorm, but the peals of thunder are not so far. And if so, the need for easy makeup, but for quick cleanings of the system, is on the agenda. From top to bottom. Planer. Overhaul, let’s say, repair with sanding load-bearing structures. And today, for tomorrow it will be too late.

              If the president of the Russian Federation understands all this, it’s already good. But to understand a little. Now the question is different: is he ready and able to act? If so, then nothing is lost. If not ... well, in the end, the she-wolf will not howl at the first in the history of the Capitol.

              http://www.odnako.org/blogs/show_26777/
            2. grafrozow
              grafrozow 12 July 2013 20: 53 New
              +1
              A red T-shirt, a blue T-shirt, a balanced man, someone with a condom on his head. Where are the names? Are you really dumb to love? The usual Caucasian tactics are from around the corner and in the back.
          2. grafrozow
            grafrozow 12 July 2013 20: 45 New
            +1
            No one is silent when veterans are killed and criminals aren’t taken by a “diaspora” under the wing, they just say scumbags. We just don’t need a haemorrhage from the LCN. Let the horses wet at home.
        2. Ascetic
          Ascetic 12 July 2013 19: 24 New
          +6
          Quote: baltika-18
          I already wrote about it today. A wave of lies has come.


          I did not want to get into this topic, but still I’ll say a few words. Time is now like muddy foam rose from the bottom, everything floated up in the 90s and you can’t see “clear” water behind it. Yes and anti-Russian forces, the xenophobia and hatred yeast are skillfully tossed through their fifth column and the media to boil louder and stink denser, Here it’s invisible to normal people, but of course thieves, bribe takers, and lawless people of various poshibs. After all, base primitive feelings are very easy to instill, There are two ways — either an intelligent cesspool worker (such as Stalin) or society sooner or later from below the process of self-cleaning will begin and something tells me that this process will be far from peaceful and calm. For a short time, by historical standards, the generation brought up in the USSR will leave and the self-identification of peoples will begin, as a result of which the yeast toppers will again benefit.
        3. Normal
          Normal 12 July 2013 20: 57 New
          +3
          Quote: FATEMOGAN
          There was a domestic brawl in which one man stabbed, unfortunately, a former soldier who had drunk in the past, understand? I express my condolences to his parents. So, the father of this soldier immediately said - vodka is to blame for everything. And the truth is vodka is to blame.

          Well, m .... you are. Vodka is to blame ... The deceased probably drank vodka, 16-year-old Chechens do not drink as a rule. So who killed whom? Or if you drank, then you can cut?
          Father said ... What did mother say you heard?
          You expressed condolences ...
          It’s not the murder that outraged you, but the fact that someone is not letting the murder shut up. The pro-government media would not even say anything about this business if it weren’t for the Internet. Yes. someone can and wants to make political capital for himself in this matter, but it is not clear to pro-government that anyone will understand the falsity and will not go for the politicians. Scary pro-government, scary for his calm.
          You want everything to be quiet and stable. That everyone would be silent. And so on until the next murder. Then you again express condolences ...
          1. Ruslan67
            Ruslan67 12 July 2013 21: 26 New
            +4
            Quote: Normal
            Well, m .... you are. Vodka is to blame ... The deceased probably drank vodka, 16-year-old Chechens do not drink

            If only someone would pay attention to the bolt of a 16-year-old Chechen with a medical scalpel? and how much should the former paratrooper drink to fill up with such exotic weapons?
            1. Karlsonn
              Karlsonn 13 July 2013 00: 15 New
              +1
              Ruslan67 I firmly shake my hand - you are the first

              I was waiting for someone to pay attention that the 16th kid stabbed the paratrooper ...
              1. Normal
                Normal 13 July 2013 02: 43 New
                0
                Quote: Karlsonn
                Ruslan67 I firmly shake my hand - you are the first

                Come on ... Is it true that no one noticed on the branch?
                I did not emphasize, since the topic of the scalpel, and the fact that the killed - the paratrooper was already discussed in detail somewhere.
                I remember someone cited the example of Badyuk. It was said that in training (and Badiuk is still not an ordinary paratrooper), if Badiuk is unarmed, but an attacker with a knife, then in 7 out of 10 cases Badiuk was "stabbed" and this was in the absence of surprise.
                A scalpel is an excuse. The wounds were deep and most likely not by one person.
                1. Karlsonn
                  Karlsonn 13 July 2013 03: 16 New
                  0
                  Quote: Normal
                  Come on ... Is it true that no one noticed on the branch?

                  I did not notice.


                  Quote: Normal
                  I remember someone cited the example of Badyuk. It was said that in training (and Badiuk is still not an ordinary paratrooper), if Badiuk is unarmed, but an attacker with a knife, then in 7 out of 10 cases Badiuk was "stabbed" and this was in the absence of surprise.


                  Baduk, like everything at the end of the 20th century, had quite a few realities,
                  I, without a false boast, is a Soviet wrestler, a classic.
                  I participated in seminars for VV with Badyuk met - good such a guy!
                  For example, the master who will devote 10 hours to training.

                  About Badyuk, I know that this is so, I saw him.
                  comrade Normal - you argue comrade, you’ll be afraid to meet with me - in spite of the fact that I am disabled, you will feel bad .. er.
    2. smile
      smile 12 July 2013 19: 21 New
      0
      FATEMOGAN LT
      I support you absolutely ... but, excuse me, I just don’t have the strength to bark here (I’m surprised myself) ... just mentioning this topic spoils the mood .... and I don’t want to participate in the dispute, although I understand that it’s necessary ...
      1. FATEMOGAN
        FATEMOGAN 12 July 2013 19: 36 New
        +1
        Quote: smile
        .from one mention of this topic the mood goes bad


        Yes, one thought that it might turn out to pit the country, trembles, again blood rivers, a sea of ​​grief and the country's garbage in development decades ago, which our mattress “friends” are waiting for. Add to all this all kinds of Siberian, Pomeranian and other separatist campaigns that arose after the failure of the “swamp”, the activation of Wahhabis throughout the country, and the ultimate goal of all these actions will become obvious. After all, the customer doesn’t give a damn what kind of tool to destroy us - it didn’t work with creaks, which means it will hit from the other flank.
        Of course, there is a problem, but if you treat each abscess with a cut off of your hand, you will not die for long. I hope people do not buy this bullshit, as they once bought in the USSR on "glasnost" and "democracy"
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 12 July 2013 19: 47 New
          +5
          You have written a lot. But here is the hassle. You suggest the Russians continue to endure. Intimidate with mythical "customers". Copy-paste the journalists and experts who learn about life in Zamkadia only after the editor’s command to write another appeal for patience.

          But people are starting to get bored. And now we have such a situation that either the problem will be solved by the soft version from above. Right now. Or the problem will be solved from below. With all the consequences.
          1. Normal
            Normal 12 July 2013 21: 49 New
            +5
            Quote: Spade
            You have written a lot. But here is the hassle.

            I don’t remember that I would have previously agreed with you, but now I fully support it.

            Volodin, domokl, Karlsonn, FATEMOGAN, Ascetic and those who joined them smile
            I went to write the province. Here and the collapse of the country and the white-and-swampy orangery, and the machinations of the State Department, and separatist sentiments, and the intensification of Wahhabis throughout the country, and anti-Russian forces skillfully tossing the yeast of xenophobia and hatred through the fifth column, and the devil in a bag and x ... in a pot.
            Well done, the Caucasus is pleased with you. When Caucasian scumbags come to power in Russia, they will let you last under the knife.
            Do you even understand what happened? ONCE AGAIN, understand? IN THE NEXT !!! Caucasian in RUSSIA cuts Russian! Not Russian Caucasian in Chechnya, but in Russia Caucasian cuts Russian.
            Chechnya has staged Russian genocide in its territory. The Russians left Chechnya. Chechnya tripled the Russian slave trade. We were silent and hoped that this cup would pass us. The Chechens were few and they began aggression in Dagestan. We seem to have won but pay tribute. Dagestan understood that Chechnya is a force, and Russia is not.
            Now Chechens and Dagi go to Russia on a safari.
            But you are worried about Navalny and the Belolentochnaya opposition (which have long been gone - are over). You’re worried about “certain forces,” and you don’t give a damn about ordinary people who were given to slaughter Caucasian scumbags. It hasn’t touched you yet. Well, until the next murder. Or are you in doubt?
            You scare the collapse of Russia if you put the Caucasus in place, if you separate the rebellious territories. But Chechnya actually separated and that collapsed? Russia has lost almost its half-Ukraine, so what? Fell apart? Great Britain left the colonies and what - fell apart? France left Algeria - split up into Burgundy, Normandy, Champagne and Provence?
            When it comes to you that if you give Russia to Putin’s eternal rule, to plunder the oligarchs and hunting grounds for the Caucasian beast, this will not lead to the revival of the USSR.
            This will not even save Russia, but rather will lead to its death. It is necessary to save what is possible to save. Trying to treat Caucasian gangrene with medication, we will lose the whole body - Russia.
            Cut! Cut to hell before it's too late!
            1. FATEMOGAN
              FATEMOGAN 12 July 2013 22: 17 New
              -4
              Quote: Normal
              Cut! Cut to hell before it's too late!


              Again in the psychiatric hospital a day off - Napoleon was released wassat Come quickly to the ward
              1. Normal
                Normal 13 July 2013 01: 28 New
                +2
                Quote: FATEMOGAN
                Again in the mental hospital day off

                Do you know the problem from the inside?
                Quote: FATEMOGAN
                come quickly to the ward

                What, one is bored?
                1. FATEMOGAN
                  FATEMOGAN 13 July 2013 02: 00 New
                  0
                  Take a look, she also knows how to talk ...
                  1. Karlsonn
                    Karlsonn 13 July 2013 02: 30 New
                    -1
                    Quote: FATEMOGAN
                    Take a look, she also knows how to talk ...

                    I recommend to be cynical and have a share of skepticism.
                  2. Normal
                    Normal 13 July 2013 02: 32 New
                    +3
                    Quote: FATEMOGAN
                    Take a look, she also knows how to talk ..

                    Look, IT also writes letters ...
                  3. Ruslan67
                    Ruslan67 13 July 2013 02: 36 New
                    +2
                    Quote: FATEMOGAN
                    Take a look, she also knows how to talk ...

                    Quote: Normal
                    Look, IT also writes letters ...

                    Vague doubts torment me ... what
                    Quote: Normal
                    I recommend to be cynical and have a share of skepticism.

                    I propose to be friends with families good Swedish not to offer negative wassat
          2. Karlsonn
            Karlsonn 12 July 2013 22: 23 New
            +2
            Quote: Normal
            Karlsonn


            Quote: Normal
            Well done, the Caucasus is pleased with you. When Caucasian scumbags come to power in Russia, they will let you last under the knife.


            The Caucasus is part of the territory of Russia.
            What do you personally do so that the Caucasians do not come to power - in the sense that you entered the law enforcement bodies, do you have an active civil position?

            Quote: Normal
            ONCE AGAIN, understand? IN THE NEXT !!! Caucasian in Russia cuts Russian! Not Russian Caucasian in Chechnya, but in Russia Caucasian cuts Russian.


            I was on the reverse side, if that.

            Quote: Normal
            Now Chechens and Dagi go to Russia on a safari.


            I heard exactly the same thing in the USA, when in Spain and the Czech Republic they adopted the "Russian Mafia", one to one.


            Quote: Normal
            But you are worried about Navalny and the Belolentochnaya opposition (which have long been gone - are over). You’re worried about “certain forces,” and you don’t give a damn about ordinary people who were given to slaughter Caucasian scumbags. This has not affected you yet.


            Dear, I don’t need to ascribe my thoughts and say what concerned me and what didn’t, you know nothing about me.

            Quote: Normal
            if you separate the rebellious territories. But Chechnya actually separated and that collapsed? Russia has lost almost its half-Ukraine, so what? Fell apart? Great Britain left the colonies and what - fell apart? France left Algeria - split up into Burgundy, Normandy, Champagne and Provence?


            Separatism? What about not the Caucasus but Tatarstan? Yakutia? Wanted to the Principality of Moscow?
            By the way, I live in Kiev, the situation is just lovely, come and show.

            Quote: Normal
            When it comes to you that if you give Russia to Putin’s eternal rule, to plunder the oligarchs and hunting grounds for the Caucasian beast, this will not lead to the revival of the USSR.


            You again ascribe to me your thoughts.

            Quote: Normal
            Cut! Cut to hell before it's too late!


            In my opinion, from Kiev, Russia, only one problem needs to be solved and everything will go as it should and we will push the whole world if we want.
            This problem is the integrity of the highest echelons of power.
            If so, I'll be the first to sign up in the Cheka and cut it, I will shoot for the idea (one request is to feed at least occasionally).

            And cutting on a national basis is fascism, with which he is ready to fight without any requests and conditions.
            1. Normal
              Normal 13 July 2013 01: 23 New
              +1
              Quote: Karlsonn
              The Caucasus is part of the territory of Russia.

              Gangrenous part of the territory.
              Quote: Karlsonn
              Wanted to the Principality of Moscow?

              Settle the Principality of Moscow with Caucasians, Tajiks, and representatives of the chosen people have long ruled the ball here, and that’s all ... This is not Poles for you - you cannot expel.
              Quote: Karlsonn
              If cho, I will be the first to sign up in the Cheka and cut, I will shoot for the idea

              Also not news for me. The mass of former officers promises to pick up a machine gun if that, and they themselves quietly peacefully pound money and spit on everything.
              Quote: Karlsonn
              And cutting on a national basis is fascism,

              Cutting off the Caucasus is fascism. And cutting Russian ethnicity is a struggle for the unity of Russia.
              Quote: Karlsonn
              You again ascribe to me your thoughts.

              I don’t ascribe anything to anyone, I express my thoughts. Maybe I'm wrong, but maybe not. If you hurt the patient, please excuse me.
              But I don’t hide my pain, and I disagree with you in many ways.
              1. Karlsonn
                Karlsonn 13 July 2013 02: 43 New
                +2
                Quote: Normal
                Gangrenous part of the territory.


                and let's talk in the wrestling circle, about the Caucasus, about Ukraine?
                as a Soviet athlete I will give odds.


                Quote: Normal
                Settle the Principality of Moscow with Caucasians, Tajiks, and representatives of the chosen people have long ruled the ball here, and that’s all ... This is not Poles for you - you cannot expel.


                Such as you are ruining the country.

                Quote: Normal
                These are not Poles for you - you cannot expel.


                as a Russian person, in spite of disability - I guarantee - the Poles - oh ... they are figuring.


                Quote: Normal
                A mass of former officers promises to pick up a machine gun if that happens, and they quietly peacefully pound money and spit on everything.


                but I do not promise, I will take it, unlike some I have something to take and I know how to own it.

                Quote: Normal
                Cutting off the Caucasus is fascism. And cutting Russian ethnicity is a struggle for the unity of Russia.


                I am Russian.
                To give the Caucasus is a betrayal.
                Anyone who begins to pursue the Caucasians in my presence is really upset.
                The Caucasus is Russian land!
                The Caucasus is watered with Russian blood enough that the idiots who shout - SEPARATE THE CAUCASUS need to pierce their heads.
                IF a Caucasian behaves incorrectly with me, there will be a bit.
                If in Kiev they start to beat a person, just because he is from the Caucasus, people will really rake, and in large quantities (I use the admin resource.)
                1. Ruslan67
                  Ruslan67 13 July 2013 02: 46 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Karlsonn
                  and let's talk in the wrestling circle,

                  Quote: Karlsonn
                  in my presence - really upset.

                  Quote: Karlsonn
                  you need to pierce your head.

                  Quote: Karlsonn
                  behave incorrectly - there will be a bit.

                  Quote: Karlsonn
                  people really rake,

                  Lesha! crying I realized how much you don’t sit in a fight. request angry wassat
                2. Karlsonn
                  Karlsonn 13 July 2013 03: 34 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Ruslan67
                  I realized how much you don’t sit in a fight.


                  I respect the UKU.
                3. Ruslan67
                  Ruslan67 13 July 2013 03: 36 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Karlsonn
                  I respect the UKU.

                  What? what
            2. Normal
              Normal 13 July 2013 03: 21 New
              +3
              Quote: Karlsonn
              you need to pierce your head.

              Will be in Moscow, you can try. I do not promise an easy victory, although not an athlete.
              A cousin lives in Kiev. Will invite guests - I’ll inform you. There is no mountain with a mountain, but a man with a man - always. It would be a desire.
            3. Ruslan67
              Ruslan67 13 July 2013 03: 25 New
              +1
              Quote: Normal
              You will be in Moscow

              Will you be in Kolyma .... wassat
            4. Karlsonn
              Karlsonn 13 July 2013 03: 36 New
              0
              Quote: Ruslan67
              Will you be in Kolyma ....


              I lived in Kolyma, figs you call you ....
          3. Karlsonn
            Karlsonn 13 July 2013 03: 35 New
            +1
            Quote: Normal
            I do not promise an easy victory, although not an athlete.


            AS ALWAYS.


            Quote: Normal
            A cousin lives in Kiev. Will invite guests - I’ll inform you. There is no mountain with a mountain, but a man with a man - always. It would be a desire.


            show super places! Come comrade!
          4. Ruslan67
            Ruslan67 13 July 2013 03: 38 New
            +1
            Quote: Karlsonn
            show super places! Come comrade!

            And am I a stranger again at this celebration of life? crying
          5. Karlsonn
            Karlsonn 13 July 2013 04: 16 New
            +1
            Quote: Ruslan67
            And am I a stranger again at this celebration of life?


            Egezha.
          6. Ruslan67
            Ruslan67 13 July 2013 04: 20 New
            +1
            Quote: Karlsonn
            Egezha.

            okay sad Ask in a hungry year to look at what you can suck tongue
    3. Ruslan67
      Ruslan67 13 July 2013 03: 39 New
      +2
      Quote: Normal
      can try. I do not promise an easy victory

      He will present an ultimatum to you and I will come back bully
    4. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 13 July 2013 03: 54 New
      +1
      Quote: Ruslan67
      He will present an ultimatum to you and I will come back
      Vladimir, never agree to a duel! The ultimatum will be, as always, 38-caliber, in addition, there will be a Tajik janitor with a shovel and by no means as a referee bully
    5. Ruslan67
      Ruslan67 13 July 2013 03: 56 New
      +2
      Quote: Thunderbolt
      Tajik janitor with a shovel and by no means as a referee

      He has such a job request And he does it well good Alexey hi drinks
    6. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 13 July 2013 04: 05 New
      +1
      Quote: Ruslan67
      He has such a job. And he does it well.
      Who would doubt that laughing
    7. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 13 July 2013 04: 17 New
      +1
      Quote: Ruslan67
      He has such a job


      come to me - for hovy.
    8. Ruslan67
      Ruslan67 13 July 2013 04: 21 New
      +1
      Quote: Karlsonn
      come to me

      The lawns themselves are bully
  • ded10041948
    ded10041948 13 July 2013 10: 18 New
    0
    Quote: Normal
    Also not news for me. The mass of former officers promises to pick up a machine gun if that, and they themselves quietly peacefully pound money and spit on everything.

    To begin with, there are no former officers (if they are OFFICERS!). And the question arises: Do you know a lot about officers? Or the amount of your information is based on statements like "these creatures of a boy for a drunk glass of vodka forced the floor in the barracks to clean!"
    So, I am one of these "creatures"!
  • FATEMOGAN
    FATEMOGAN 12 July 2013 22: 31 New
    +1
    Quote: Spade
    But people are starting to get bored. And now we have such a situation that either the problem will be solved by the soft version from above. Right now. Or the problem will be solved from below. With all the consequences.


    I am not saying that there is no problem with ethnic crime and no one justifies the murder, we must solve the problem by complying with laws so that the diasporas are not sources of impunity, only everything must remain within the law, otherwise there will be anarchy. Look at what some ice creams write, they already offer a civil war in the open, only after they have separated the Caucasus, after which they will want to separate the Volga region, the Urals and Siberia and stay within the Moscow ring road.
    1. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 13 July 2013 00: 16 New
      +2
      Quote: FATEMOGAN
      I am not saying that there is no problem with ethnic crime and no one justifies the murder, we must solve the problem by complying with laws so that the diasporas are not sources of impunity, only everything must remain within the law, otherwise there will be anarchy.


      subscribe.
  • FATEMOGAN
    FATEMOGAN 12 July 2013 22: 58 New
    -1
    So Maxim Shevchenko commented, also Russophobe ....

  • 3 inches.
    3 inches. 13 July 2013 01: 49 New
    0
    nothing like that. I caught up with Pugachev. I know first hand. A man from there works with me.
    1. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 13 July 2013 02: 44 New
      0
      Quote: 3 inches.
      nothing like that. I caught up with Pugachev. I know first hand. A man from there works with me.


      you're lying !!
      1. 3 inches.
        3 inches. 13 July 2013 08: 15 New
        0
        huh? for such words in a decent society they give you a slope. you’ve looked into your eyes. still looked and the person living there and the student confirmed that it was Pugachev. then he called his sister who lives there, she confirmed that the technique was introduced. so choose the expression propeller .
        1. I
          I HAVE T 13 July 2013 11: 31 New
          0
          Drop a link to the video, please. On YouTube there is only a fake video that Navalny threw to his hamsters.
          1. 3 inches.
            3 inches. 13 July 2013 19: 18 New
            0
            http://youtu.be/TjjYq2NbjDo вот эта.еще раз говорю нам комментировал бывший местный житель.это вьезд в город пугачев со стороны самары.технику разместили в бывшей вертолетной части.
  • denisey
    denisey 12 July 2013 22: 09 New
    +1
    sorry domokl and the behavior of people from the Caucasus does not prove their relationship to other ethnic groups living in Russia, or the beating of a deputy of the GDRF is already an ordinary case! The root of the problem, I think, is not that the comrades of the "culprit" brought the victim to the hospital, but WHAT RIGHT HE HAD TO KILL A MAN!
  • nycsson
    nycsson 12 July 2013 08: 50 New
    +6
    Quote: fisherman
    right, there are wise people in Pugachev, there is civil society

    Yeah. People are starting to wake up. And it pleases!!!
    Russia is flooded with migrants! I recommend to see.

    http://www.rline.tv/programs/tochka-zreniya/video-14977/
    1. domokl
      domokl 12 July 2013 09: 00 New
      11
      Quote: nycsson
      Russia is flooded with migrants! I recommend to see.

      Interestingly. And a resident of the Kursk region in the Stavropol region is also a migrant? We, according to this principle, only migrants and their descendants live. Someone's ancestors arrived, someone was exiled, there are very few local lol
      1. Cheloveck
        Cheloveck 12 July 2013 09: 12 New
        10
        Quote: domokl
        Interestingly. And a resident of the Kursk region in the Stavropol region is also a migrant? We, according to this principle, only migrants and their descendants live. Someone's ancestors arrived, someone was exiled, there are very few local

        And here is such a paradox.
        Five years ago, two Tajik families came to the same village.
        One family almost immediately became “their own,” and the second is still a migrant.
        Guess why?
        1. domokl
          domokl 12 July 2013 09: 20 New
          11
          Quote: Cheloveck
          Guess why?

          But I don’t have to guess. We don’t have such a problem in the region. There are German villages. Where Russian Germans live. With their own customs, ways of life and other things. There are Kazakhs, there are Ukrainians, there are Russians ... even now there are Chinese .So what?
          People live according to their customs, celebrate their holidays and invite us. And we them. It is simply not customary for us to go to a strange monastery with our charter.
          And in your example, one family lives as local, the other is more patriarchal. It preserves its way of life, its traditions.
          1. Cheloveck
            Cheloveck 12 July 2013 09: 39 New
            +1
            Quote: domokl
            But I don’t have to guess. We don’t have such a problem in the region. There are German villages. Where Russian Germans live. With their own customs, ways of life and other things. There are Kazakhs, there are Ukrainians, there are Russians ... even now there are Chinese .So what?

            So if you don’t have to guess, then why in the previous post the frank nonsense was asked? smile
            1. domokl
              domokl 12 July 2013 14: 18 New
              +1
              Quote: Cheloveck
              So if you don’t have to guess, then why in the previous post the frank nonsense was asked?

              And you fully read the conversation thread and questions such stupid will not arise
          2. baltika-18
            baltika-18 12 July 2013 10: 04 New
            11
            Quote: domokl
            even now there are already Chinese. So what?

            Does this have to be happy in your opinion or upset?
            1. nycsson
              nycsson 12 July 2013 11: 25 New
              +2
              Quote: baltika-18
              Does this have to be happy in your opinion or upset?

              In my opinion he is happy ....... request
            2. domokl
              domokl 12 July 2013 14: 22 New
              0
              Quote: baltika-18
              Does this have to be happy in your opinion or upset?

              And why should I rejoice or be upset? I’m just stating a fact. 80 percent of the region is not populated by anyone at all. GENERAL. And further to the East and more. Territories are equal to Europeans without a population. Naturally, if Russians do not go and leave, others will come ...
              We can talk beautifully about the country, but specifically about the East ... Only in the Stolypin carriage and for a period can.
          3. nycsson
            nycsson 12 July 2013 11: 24 New
            11
            Quote: domokl
            even now there are already Chinese. So what?

            And the fact that you need to respect the country, population, local customs of those where you came. This can not be said about immigrants from the Caucasus. They respect only their own, and they don’t give a damn about the locals.
          4. cdrt
            cdrt 12 July 2013 12: 09 New
            +3
            Actually, they themselves answered - if mixing is going on at the household level, everything is fine, it does not go - strangers. The diaspora itself is a way not to mix.
          5. Gari
            Gari 12 July 2013 12: 38 New
            +7
            Quote: domokl
            People live according to their customs, celebrate their holidays and invite us. And we them. It is simply not customary for us to go to a strange monastery with our charter.

            Good afternoon - I can give an example
            In 90 years, I was in the Ryazan region, a friend invited me to the village where his sister lived, beautiful places, fields, rivers, forests.
            And the most interesting thing is the village itself, half the population of Russians is the second Dagestanis.
            So there were no problems, we lived like good neighbors, helping each other together, all hard workers and therefore a rich village. And joy and trouble together. No crime, I heard adult Dagestanis instructing young ones, we came here, we were accepted here their own, and should not behave, so that no disagreement.
            By the way was there on our favorite holiday, Victory Day.
            So I probably didn’t celebrate anywhere, the whole village was celebrated by the Dagestanis, the Russians, well, I and the Armenian were everywhere full tables.
            No incidents were walked until morning
        2. Uncle
          Uncle 12 July 2013 15: 56 New
          +1
          Quote: Cheloveck
          Five years ago, two Tajik families came to the same village.
          One family almost immediately became “their own,” and the second is still a migrant.
          Guess why?

          One is a hidden enemy, the other is clear. Correct answer? Asians are just waiting to stick a knife in the back.
          1. Karlsonn
            Karlsonn 12 July 2013 17: 31 New
            -2
            Quote: Uncle
            One is a hidden enemy, the other is clear. Correct answer? Asians are just waiting to stick a knife in the back.


            From personal, “business” experience, he worked with the Vietnamese, the Armenians and the Azerbaijanis, but for the most part with the “ours” - Ukrainians and Russians.
            "Knocked in the back" exclusively "ours."

            What am I doing wrong? belay crying

            I’ve been engaged in a “cafe” for many years and any of the catering in the capital city of Kiev will confirm my words.
            When buying a large group of products every day, for a large amount, you come across a paradox - “Caucasians”, unlike “ours,” do not weigh on and do not cheat.
            What to do with this?
            1. Uncle
              Uncle 12 July 2013 18: 01 New
              +3
              On the scale of the dining room, your logic is clear and true. On the scale of the struggle for Russia, the struggle against Christianity is not suitable. It is for this purpose that Russia, like other countries, is flooded with foreigners and Gentiles. Take Egypt, the once Christian country that gave the true titans of the Faith of Christ, now a seething Islamic cauldron. Take France, Germany, Algerians and Turks filled the streets of their cities and they are already dictating their will. Take Serbia, it’s just a genocide of Christian Serbs.
              Quote: Karlsonn
              What am I doing wrong?

              You do not support economically those who should. The fact that you come across dishonest Slavs is not a reason for opening borders to foreigners and Gentiles. I’m afraid the time will come and your children will be hired by poorly speaking Ukrainian and very tough people. This applies to my children too, unfortunately we are going to such a state of affairs in full swing.
              1. Karlsonn
                Karlsonn 12 July 2013 19: 12 New
                0
                Quote: Uncle
                On the scale of the dining room, your logic is clear and true.


                And on the scale of human relations? How is it that I completely trust the Azerbaijani and do not trust the visitor from Zhytomyr?

                Quote: Uncle
                On the scale of the struggle for Russia, the struggle against Christianity is not suitable. It is for this purpose that Russia, like other countries, is flooded with foreigners and non-believers


                Point blank I do not see the struggle of visitors with Christianity.
                Here we have senile aunts, “FEMEN”, they cry, jump with naked boobs everywhere, here they cut down the cross established by Greek Catholics in memory of the NKVD victims to fight the Russian Orthodox Church, which side the Russian Orthodox Church is a mystery to me, but here it’s a struggle with Christianity is.




                Quote: Uncle
                Take Egypt, the once Christian country that gave the true titans of the Faith of Christ, now a seething Islamic cauldron. Take France, Germany, Algerians and Turks filled the streets of their cities and they are already dictating their will.


                Not a valid example.


                Quote: Uncle
                Take Serbia, it’s just a genocide of Christian Serbs.


                I agree.

                Quote: Uncle
                The fact that you come across dishonest Slavs is not a reason for opening borders to foreigners and Gentiles.


                And where did I say that I am against a strict emigration policy?

                Quote: Uncle
                I’m afraid the time will come and your children will be hired by poorly speaking Ukrainian and very tough people.


                Russian is spoken in Kiev wink .
            2. Ruslan67
              Ruslan67 12 July 2013 21: 44 New
              +2
              [quote = Karlsonn] "Caucasians", unlike "ours," do not weigh and do not cheat.
              What to do with this?

              Fill your face so that you don’t get out and are like everyone else wassat Lesha! I have a Chechen shop for 20 years; I buy vegetables and greens and fruits only in it request
              1. Karlsonn
                Karlsonn 12 July 2013 22: 32 New
                +1
                Quote: Ruslan67
                Fill your face so that you don’t get out and are like everyone else


                In the 95th, SO IT WOULD DO IT, NOW - Alas, got old for sure, began to read the UKRAINE UKRAINE.


                Quote: Ruslan67
                Lesha! I have a Chechen shop for 20 years; I buy vegetables and greens and fruits only in it


                Me and not only, it also infuriates am if I'm buying up let's say 50 bucks every day, which one from Zhitomir weighs me? I, of course, will go to the Azerbaijani and every day I will give these 50 bucks to him. But then conversations begin - Caucasians seized all markets - AHA THREE TIMES!
                And these are not isolated cases, this is a trend, at the moment the overwhelming majority of chain restaurants are served by a company where the owner is Arab, and the staff is from Europe, all sorts of guest workers from England to Croatia, our only drivers and collectors. How did it happen?
                Why?
                1. Ruslan67
                  Ruslan67 12 July 2013 22: 37 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Karlsonn
                  . How did it happen?
                  Why?

                  Problems of developed countries request The indigenous population does not want to trade, but wants to receive for the right to work and protection wassat
                  1. Karlsonn
                    Karlsonn 13 July 2013 00: 18 New
                    0
                    Quote: Ruslan67
                    The indigenous population does not want to trade, but wants to receive for the right to work and protection


                    It all comes down to xenophobia, but to me personally it makes no difference what kind of dying nationality.
            3. Normal
              Normal 12 July 2013 22: 11 New
              +6
              Quote: Karlsonn
              "Knocked in the back" exclusively "ours."

              And alive and well! But a Chechen stuck Mazharov, and there is no guy ...
              Quote: Karlsonn
              "Caucasians", unlike "ours," do not weigh and do not cheat

              What?! What??!! Caucasians do not weigh ??? Well, Alex ... you lie, but don’t lie. You didn’t buy products alone in large quantities ... Caucasians don’t weigh ... I must say this ... How did the language turn?
              I think that mourning will be tomorrow in the Azerbaijani diaspora in Moscow - not one fruit merchant will die today with laughter.
              1. Karlsonn
                Karlsonn 13 July 2013 00: 29 New
                +1
                Quote: Normal
                And alive and well! But a Chechen stuck Mazharov, and there is no guy ...


                So what? my uncle was arrested by the MS of the USSR because he accidentally killed an “our” duck, when 14 people attacked him.
                I served time for the murder (I personally think that the article on self-defense should be reviewed in the Criminal Code of Russia and Ukraine), all within the framework of the law.


                Quote: Normal
                Well, Alex ... you lie, but don’t lie. You didn’t buy products alone in large quantities ... Caucasians don’t weigh ... I must say this ... How did the language turn?


                I “held” a cafe and more than one from 1994 to 2010, I am responsible for my words (that’s exactly in Kiev).
                Unlike refugees from the Caucasus, locals do not know how to do business.

                Quote: Normal
                I think that mourning will be tomorrow in the Azerbaijani diaspora in Moscow - not one fruit merchant will die today with laughter.


                Alibek will kick me when he sees, but he will be right - the Armenians are closer to me.
                But at the moment I have comrades from Transcaucasia, mainly from Azerbaijan.

                culture of business relations, people from the Caucasus do not need to explain.
                "ours" stupidly stole - if only to snatch today.


                Quote: Normal
                Well Alex ... you lie, don’t lie


                I say only what I know and what I have encountered. It may not be so in Moscow, I don’t know.
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      3. nycsson
        nycsson 12 July 2013 11: 20 New
        +6
        Quote: domokl
        Interestingly. And a resident of the Kursk region in the Stavropol is also a migrant?

        Migrant worker (within the meaning of the UN Convention referred to below) is a person who will engage in, engage in, or have engaged in paid activities in a state of which he or she is not a citizen.
        Draw your own conclusions.
        Quote: domokl
        Someone’s ancestors themselves arrived, someone was exiled, there are very few local

        You will understand the terms, and then giggle! hi
        1. domokl
          domokl 12 July 2013 14: 26 New
          0
          Quote: nycsson
          You will understand the terms, and then giggle!

          My dear, it’s not for me to understand the terms, but the one to whom I wrote a comment. And if you want to correct, please be kind enough not to pull out individual phrases from the context of the conversation, and refer to the one who made the mistake. If I maliciously corrected someone, then it means I corrected.
    2. baltika-18
      baltika-18 12 July 2013 09: 36 New
      55
      Quote: nycsson
      Yeah. People are starting to wake up.

      People may be. And some fall asleep.
      I put the minus article.
      I explain why. One-sidedly. Everything is shorter than fine, an ordinary household routine, of which there are hundreds across the country. Well, a Chechen stabbed, it’s okay, it happens. Here’s the message from the article. And Kulapov, the deputy head of the Investigative Committee of the Investigative Committee for the Saratov Region, says different things. Who should I trust him, Volodin?
      And the case is not the first, so the butch rose.
      2010 Beslan Mudaev killed with a knife Nikolai Veshnyakov, the same cafe.
      And here's what else I wanted to say. At the end of the article, the author expressed his condolences and the hope that the killer will suffer a deserved punishment.
      Mudaev was given 10 years, he will serve 6 years, this is a common practice, it will be released according to parole.
      How much will they give this puppy? Yes, no more, but most likely less, they will take their age into account, but we are very humane, just to prevent inciting ethnic hatred.
      They’ll get away in short, they’ll leave a little, but the guys are gone. Here when the punishment is adequate to the crime committed, killed by shooting, then those wishing to grab the knife or gun will decrease many times.
      1. Cyril7377
        Cyril7377 12 July 2013 10: 09 New
        +7
        I agree with the above, I’ll add that there was information on the network that people continued to speak up with information that had come to Pugachev, that Mudayev had already been released
      2. Lopatov
        Lopatov 12 July 2013 10: 11 New
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        And in the meantime, in Pugachev it’s becoming more and more interesting. Government officials began to reap the benefits.
        SOBRovets was forced to use weapons while checking a private house. A Chechen rushed at him with a pitchfork.
        When arresting two suspects in the murder of Ruslan Marzhanov, they resisted, while they lowered police dogs
        1. nycsson
          nycsson 12 July 2013 11: 45 New
          +5
          Quote: Spade
          A Chechen rushed at him with a pitchfork.
          When arresting two suspects in the murder of Ruslan Marzhanov, they resisted, while they lowered police dogs

          Here you go! Is it normal? request
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 12 July 2013 12: 14 New
            +2
            Of course not normal. The representative of the government was obliged to show tolerance and allow to stab himself with a pitchfork.
      3. Z.A.M.
        Z.A.M. 12 July 2013 11: 12 New
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        baltika-18
        Greetings. I agree with your position.
        Initially, I did not want to write anything. But! I accidentally (!) Read another article. And could not help but insert some moments from it. You can relate differently to the sources, but “you won’t erase words from a song” ...


        2013-07-12 Andrey Epifantsev APN "What is behind the rebellion in Pugachev"
        "…1. Over the past 20 years, the North Caucasus as a whole, but much more specifically Dagestan, Ingushetia and Chechnya, the so-called republics of the DIS, have left the Russian constitutional, mental, civil and any other field. This is not Russia, or not completely Russia. The generation that grew up there no longer associates itself with Russia. First of all, they are not Russians, but carriers of Islamic national, clan and any other identity. Russia is on the list of their priorities in ... twelfth place if at all. They are brought up on their patriarchal and archaic foundations, they want to live according to their own laws, are grouped according to their characteristics and treat Russia with contempt, with a sense of superiority and historical resentment, as well as a hunting field and a payer of tribute. Internally, they no longer feel like Russia, while according to all Russian laws they are full-fledged Russians, to whom all civil rights fully apply. Obligations are different, but rights apply. This is a very convenient situation when it is almost always possible to live and interact with the outside world, proceeding from your clan identity, but at the right moments to resort to protecting your interests on the basis of official belonging to a common civic identity.
        2. The departure of these regions into religious and ethnic archaics has led to a situation in which independent and free economic existence is impossible in them - the economy is destroyed, unemployment, a terrible social sphere, internal confrontation is growing, extortion is “flash drive”, explosions, life is according to religious rules, the highest clan bearing restrictions and threats, etc. Either the most severe command and administrative system was established there, as in Chechnya, or the clan and religious fronts and anarchy as in Dagestan.
        All this happens against the background of extremely high subsidization - from 80% and above. It is impossible to invest money in the form of subsidies in the real economy of the region in such conditions - it is dangerous, there are no conditions for a normal, civilized business, there is no redistribution insurance in the event of a new war, in the event of the coming of an alien clan and many other reasons, therefore, local elites - bureaucracy supported by the federal government - plunder subsidized money and withdraw it to other regions. Paradoxically, Dagestan - one of the poorest republics - is an exporter of financial resources! Money flows into Dagestan in the form of federal subsidies and flows from it in the form of private investments in other Russian regions! Leaky sieve! Chechnya is a certain exception, but this is a separate and also very disturbing story - in my opinion, the Chechen tale is final and we can see this end pretty soon ... ”
        1. baltika-18
          baltika-18 12 July 2013 12: 03 New
          +6
          Quote: Z.A.M.
          Greetings. I agree with your position.

          Greetings, Anton. At first I also did not want to write anything, but then I read the comments and tried to justify my position.
          The fact is that there has already been a wave on the Internet, and in other mass media, let’s say so not entirely true information. The main message is that the residents of Pugachev did not want the riots, they were provoked by visiting nationalists, the government was good, well, the kids got into a fight , accidentally killed, what does the boss and in general .... everything, in principle, is not so bad.
          That's what excited me first of all, a lie elevated to the principle of action of power.
          I can predict in the same way that the investigation will last quite a while, until the excitement settles down and things are not forgotten a lot, they will offer parents money, possibly threaten, drag out the investigation.
          1. cdrt
            cdrt 12 July 2013 12: 20 New
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            And the authorities of any country have one natural reaction to their “flight” - a lie.
            Diasporas allowed power - yes.
            Caucasians are mentally alien everywhere except the Caucasus in Russia - yes.
            The cops and their leadership are all bought by the diasporas - yes.
            Caucasians feel unpunished among Russians - yes.

            The explosive growth of Russian nationalism as self-defense is natural - YES.
            Authorities can tell the lie to authorities about everyday life - Announcement: Do not scare ostriches, the floor has recently been concreted ...
          2. Tersky
            Tersky 12 July 2013 14: 13 New
            +7
            Quote: baltika-18
            until the excitement settles and not much is forgotten

            Nicholas, hi ! Do not have time to be forgotten. It is accumulating. Ryazan, Krasnodar, Sochi, Moscow, Sagra, Kondopoga ... Similar conflicts have recently been growing at an alarming rate, the same Pugachev is the tip of the iceberg of the problem. Who will answer the question how many crimes on national grounds in Russia are real? - No one !. How many similar cases have been sent down for a local ransom, or transferred to a banal household, or a mafia showdown. Every abscess, having reached its maturity, will certainly burst ...
          3. aviamed90
            aviamed90 12 July 2013 15: 48 New
            +1
            baltika-18

            I support your position.

            Of course, the tragedy is interethnic in nature!

            It is enough to answer the question: and if instead of this Saratov guy (also not Russian and, apparently, a Muslim) there was a Chechen - would he be cut?
            The answer is obvious! There would be nothing!

            And the point here is not in everyday life and not even in faith. There is hatred towards other nationalities as such. And this is Nazism.
        2. xmike
          xmike 12 July 2013 12: 32 New
          +2
          Russia is contemptuous, with a sense of superiority and historical resentment
          That is what we all observe.
        3. Skiff-2
          Skiff-2 12 July 2013 17: 59 New
          +2
          Or maybe a "Pale of Settlement", why not take advantage of the experience of the Empire? Chechens and Dagis do not serve in the army, and this is the first step, because now, by law, they are deprived of the right to state service. service, the second step would be to limit the right to higher education outside your North Caucasus region, the third step to limit the right to settle outside your region, and provide the right to settle with members of the diaspora (already living in Russia) only with the consent of the public council of local municipalities . I had such an experience in living in Russia ... This morning I looked in the news about the arrest of two Caucasian bandits who beat a deputy of the State. Thoughts - they resisted, rushed at the victim upon identification (!), Overlapped with the murder of this guy from Pugachev ... and as a way out (not indisputable) I saw the experience of the Russian Empire with a Pale of Settlement. It is impossible to split the country, but unreliable ethnic groups should be restricted in their rights, and respectable citizens should be protected from them.
          1. Karlsonn
            Karlsonn 12 July 2013 19: 16 New
            -1
            Quote: Skif-2
            Or maybe a "Pale of Settlement", why not take advantage of the experience of the Empire? Chechens and Dagis do not serve in the army, and this is the first step, because now, by law, they are deprived of the right to state service. service, the second step would be to limit the right to higher education outside your North Caucasus region, the third step to limit the right to settle outside your region, and provide the right to settle with members of the diaspora (already living in Russia) only with the consent of the public council of local municipalities . Such an experience of living in Russia was ...


            And what did this experience turn out for the Empire?
            By the way, why trifle? Immediately introduce fascism and recognize them as second-class people.
            In Ukraine, at one time there was guanocipal about the titular nation.
            1. Cheloveck
              Cheloveck 12 July 2013 19: 29 New
              +2
              [quote = Karlsonn] [quote = Skiff-2] And how did this experience turn out for the Empire?
              [/ quote] And really, what?
              1. Karlsonn
                Karlsonn 12 July 2013 22: 34 New
                0
                Quote: Cheloveck
                ] And really, what?


                Do you know about the number of Jews in the revolution? Why do you think so?
                Do you know about the Black Hundreds and pogroms?
            2. Skiff-2
              Skiff-2 12 July 2013 20: 41 New
              +3
              About the titular nation in Ukraine, it’s not for me, I’m Russian and not young anymore, I’m for the Empire, call at least the Eurasian Union, at least something like that, but for me it is Russia - Ukraine and Belarus, and Kiev - the mother of Russian cities. With a dash maybe he went too far - rolled. The Caucasus respects strength, therefore Russians should be strong and united, weakness provokes. When the Union collapsed, I served in Azerbaijan. In January 90th there was a rebellion with Armenian pogroms that threatened to become “Russians”, we decided to take the Russian population under protection and judge the thugs according to the laws of war, if any, and in order to warn, we organized an information leak. The very next day, the chairman of the "Popular Front" came running to assure me that they were not terrorists and were even ready to put a guard near each Russian house so that they wouldn’t get any scumbags. I told him that now he is responsible for their safety, but if at least one Russian suffers, he will answer according to the law of wartime. Not a single Russian citizen was injured. I thought the insult would disappear after the rebellion, but the locals, on the contrary, thanked that by catching fear we had prevented a possible disaster. I had a lot of friends there, and Azerbaijanis, and Lezgins, and Chechens with Dagis and did not lose anyone as a friend, because I did not offend anyone and did not give my offense. Then there was another country, and as other people now seem to be. Do not be offended Carlson, I am not a fascist.
              1. Karlsonn
                Karlsonn 12 July 2013 22: 49 New
                +2
                Quote: Skif-2
                About the titular nation in Ukraine, it’s not for me, I’m Russian and not young anymore, I’m for the Empire, call at least the Eurasian Union, at least something like that, but for me it is Russia - Ukraine and Belarus, and Kiev - the mother of Russian cities.


                hi I will subscribe under each word.
                When banderlog in my face they said:
                - Russian? suitcase-station-Russia!
                Spoke:
                - forward, who is the most courageous, I live in a Russian city.
                Judging by the fact that I am alive, though fairly dented, the banderlog did not work out well.

                Quote: Skif-2
                With a dash maybe he went too far - rolled.


                Definitely went too far.

                Quote: Skif-2
                . When the Union collapsed, I served in Azerbaijan. In January of the 90th there was a mutiny with Armenian pogroms that threatened to become “Russians”, we decided to take the Russian population under protection and judge the thugs according to wartime laws,


                I know, father is an officer of the BB, at the end of the 80s I saw him for a maximum of a couple of months a year, I did not get out of the Caucasus.


                Quote: Skif-2
                I had a lot of friends there, and Azerbaijanis, and Lezgins, and Chechens with Dagis and did not lose anyone as a friend, because I did not offend anyone and did not give my offense.


                For a long time my father received letters from the Caucasus from all nationalities, as they found us - I'm in prostration belay .
                And Azerbaijanis, and Georgians and Abkhazians, and Ossetians, and Armenians invited their father.
                NNnOoo crying


                Quote: Skif-2
                Do not be offended Carlson, I am not a fascist.


                I don’t take offense, and if I was harsh where - I'm sorry, I was raised in the spirit of internationalism and if they kill someone with me, regardless of nationality I will intervene (and intervened for which I have drives), I anyone who evaluates a person and people by I consider the nationality a fascist and my enemy.
                My grandfather and his best front-line friend, a Caucasian, did not fight for this.
                And today, when they are not alive (this is sacrilege of course), but I am glad that they will not be able to read this discussion.
      4. Ustian
        Ustian 12 July 2013 11: 20 New
        +6
        Quote: baltika-18
        killed by shooting

        + + + + + + + +
      5. Committee
        Committee 12 July 2013 11: 24 New
        10
        And the author’s outright lie about the fact that the route was not blocked by local residents is also annoying.
      6. nycsson
        nycsson 12 July 2013 11: 27 New
        +4
        Quote: baltika-18
        People may be. And some fall asleep.

        Watch the video: http: //www.rline.tv/programs/tochka-zreniya/video-14977/
      7. cdrt
        cdrt 12 July 2013 12: 13 New
        0
        Hm. And I would suggest abolishing parole for a murder, and the lower border is about 12 years old. Well, a secret order to the courts - if a victim and a murderer of different nationalities - roll to the fullest. Or, by the way, this provision can also be prescribed in the law, although there is certainly a lot worse
        1. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 12 July 2013 14: 21 New
          +4
          Quote: cdrt
          Hm. And I would suggest abolishing parole for a murder, and the lower border is about 12 years old. Well, a secret order to the courts - if a victim and a murderer of different nationalities - roll to the fullest. Or, by the way, this provision can also be prescribed in the law, although there is certainly a lot worse


          Just a few questions:
          - careless killing, parole cancel?
          - Russian knocked down a Tatar in a car, immediately maximum, not understanding?
          - What other unofficial instructions that violate the Constitution will be given to the courts?
          1. mark7
            mark7 12 July 2013 16: 44 New
            +2
            I respect your posts, but when God forbid they get to your relatives as in a slaughterhouse, I’m sure dear Carlson, you’ll instantly come up with a point
            1. Karlsonn
              Karlsonn 12 July 2013 17: 37 New
              +3
              Quote: mark7
              I respect your posts


              Like me in your comrade. hi


              Quote: mark7
              but when God forbid they get to your relatives as they slaughter at a slaughterhouse, I’m sure dear Carlson, you will instantly come up with a point


              Well, here the case is not entirely correct.
              I am an ordinary, ordinary person - extremely law-abiding.
              That is, I actively communicate with the district police officer in particular and with law enforcement agencies in general: statement, testimony - no questions asked.

              In the case you have indicated, everything is simple, I will wait for the verdict of the court, if I do not satisfy it, blood feud will begin.
              But this does not mean that it is right and the "Law" must be trampled.
      8. Normal
        Normal 12 July 2013 12: 46 New
        10
        Quote: baltika-18
        I put the minus article.

        Support.
        Just not long ago there was a discussion where he wrote
        But hot blood plays and animal instincts demand realization, and here throughout Russia, here and there Chechens (and now not only) are killing Russians. They just kill like that, as a result of "domestic conflicts", the authorities pretend that nothing terrible is happening. There are also Caucasians defenders who blabber the problem, they say the offender has no nationality. They say the Russians also kill the Russians and no one cares, but as soon as in the case the Caucasian immediately begins inciting ethnic hatred. An old and battered slogan about the friendship of peoples is being brought to light (when was the friendship of the Russian people on the part of the North Caucasian peoples?) It is claimed by the defenders of the Caucasians that it is the Russians themselves to blame (on their land); they drink, you know, do not stray into wolf packs and do not cut Caucasians, but only wave their fists. And in general, the same Russian authorities condone lawless people, so when a Caucasian kills another Russian, the friends and relatives of the murdered should not be indignant; power on the side of visitors - they pay. Nevertheless, they know that the Caucasian blood is hot, and the Russian is not there, and at the wrong time he ended up (again on his land), which means he himself is to blame. And so on and so forth. Until the next kill.
        There were plenty of examples described in the discussion. Now this article. Again about some "certain forces" which
        eager to use the negative that sits in many Russians in relation to immigrants from the Caucasus.

        Here it is! It turns out that many Russians have a negative attitude towards the noble, educated and cultural people from the Caucasus. Again they inspire us that it is our fault. We are negative. We provoke Caucasians by not wanting to give in to our girls. Of course, this leads to "uncontrolled aggression" and snatching "it is not clear where the scalpel came from"
        The author does not have any claims to carriers of attacks of uncontrolled aggression, wearing a scalpel (you think, everyone goes with knives and scalpels, this is something everyday) also does not raise questions. But the author has a claim to “certain forces”.
        1. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 12 July 2013 15: 01 New
          -8
          Quote: Normal
          But hot blood plays and animal instincts require implementation


          What are some instincts?


          Quote: Normal
          here and there Chechens (and now not only) are killing Russians. They just kill like that, as a result of "domestic conflicts", the authorities pretend that nothing terrible is happening. There are also Caucasians defenders who blabber the problem, they say the offender has no nationality. They say the Russians also kill the Russians and no one cares, but as soon as in the case the Caucasian immediately begins inciting ethnic hatred.


          For a full-fledged debate, 2,3 million crimes were committed in Russia last year, of which 38 were murders — cite figures that are completely immigrants from the Caucasus.
          And yes - the crime has no nationality, and yes - when the Caucasian commits the crime, all the media go on guano and yes - the murder of Russians by Russians does not receive such publicity, everyone except relatives doesn’t give a damn about it.
          For example, you are a comrade Normal I’m probably aware of the high-profile crime committed where you live as an illegal migrant or Caucasian, but I’m more than sure that you don’t know how many murders have occurred over the past six months - why so?


          Quote: Normal
          It turns out that many Russians have a negative attitude towards the noble, educated and cultural people from the Caucasus. Again they inspire us that it is our fault. We are negative. We provoke Caucasians by not wanting to give in to our girls.


          Some time ago, I argued about the term "cops," I asked my opponent personally about corruption and torture:
          - How many times have you been tortured?
          - How many times have you personally encountered criminals in uniform?
          - did you have to cooperate with law enforcement agencies?
          - What is the civil position (like a drug addict in your doorway, I’ll write, if so, how is it)?

          Except for the traffic police and telling a friend I didn’t hear anything.


          Quote: Normal
          Of course, this leads to "uncontrolled aggression"
          and snatching "it is not clear where the scalpel came from"


          And what? In Crimea, the local criminal "authority" ran into vacationers, "authority" from the Caucasus, vacationers from Russia.
          "Authority" was severely beaten, but when he returned with a gun he didn’t take something into account and as a result the gun was taken from him, then his "authority" was shot in the ass.

          In the Ukrainian, as well as Russian media, there is not a word about rabid, drunk Russian tourists, and their unlimited aggression.


          Quote: Normal
          wearing a scalpel (think, everyone goes with knives and scalpels, this is something everyday) also does not cause problems


          I’ve been carrying a knife for about fifteen years, I have never used it as a weapon, during this time I got into fights, with different consequences, not five or even ten times. Three times after the end of the epic events, they detained me and delivered to the authorities, which is typical - after the debriefing, the knives (now a whole collection) were returned to me.

          If the killer had a screwdriver, would that make a big difference?
          1. baltika-18
            baltika-18 12 July 2013 15: 16 New
            +2
            Quote: Karlsonn
            x 38 kills -

            You minus, Carlson. There is a comment by Vadim below, where he popularly explains what police statistics are.
            1. Karlsonn
              Karlsonn 12 July 2013 16: 35 New
              +1
              Quote: baltika-18
              You minus, Carlson.


              Welcome hi .


              Quote: baltika-18
              There below is a comment by Vadim, where he popularly explains what police statistics are.


              I do not need this, since I am very close acquainted with this kitchen.
              The figures given only reflect the level of the phenomenon.

              Better with me - you drinks .
              1. baltika-18
                baltika-18 12 July 2013 21: 08 New
                +1
                Quote: Karlsonn
                Better with me - you

                Come on, my flying friend. drinks
                1. Karlsonn
                  Karlsonn 12 July 2013 22: 54 New
                  0
                  Quote: baltika-18
                  Come on, my flying friend.




                  you will laugh, but look how relevant drinks
          2. Greyfox
            Greyfox 12 July 2013 15: 43 New
            +5
            Quote: Karlsonn
            What are some instincts?

            Bestial. STAR-RI-NEW. Let me remind you our discussion a week ago, where you "rolled a barrel" on the Russians of German nationality, and my other opponent Voronov (I will quote him)
            Maybe the Churkobesy, as you deigned to call them, and went down from the mountains, but they are full citizens of Russia and many of them in both Chechen fought on the side of the federal forces, and they gave their lives, in August 2008. in South Ossetia, they showed themselves very well, and their older brothers were previously in Afghanistan, and their fathers and grandfathers were in the Second World War. If something serious happens, I have no doubt that most of them will fight for Russia, and where their homeland will go to them. But “hundreds of thousands of normal people” (Germans) were washed away at the very first boom.

            I then noticed that the lives of citizens of our country of other nationalities full citizens of Russia(unfortunately this is so!) they took much more than they gave theirs for Russia.
            On the same day, the son of those who participated in the Russian genocide in Chechnya in 1991-94, the younger brother of those who killed Russian soldiers in 2000, meanly killed Ruslan Marzhanov. But you, as I understand it, are still closer to the "animals" than the Germans. But the man who lived in the Vorkuta region has no questions for the Germans. And to the Tatars too. And to others too. And the majority here on the forum too. Only for some reason Caucasians annoy everyone ... Ay-ah, what are we all bad here. And the main thing is not clear why?
            1. Karlsonn
              Karlsonn 12 July 2013 16: 48 New
              +1
              Quote: Greyfox
              Bestial. STAR-RI-NEW.



              Quote: Greyfox
              But you, as I understand it, are still closer to the "animals" than the Germans


              I do not rate people by the worst representatives.
              I do not call animals, people of a different nationality.
              I do not have anything bad against our Germans, the people as a people, like all other peoples in Russia.


              Quote: Greyfox
              But the man who lived in the Vorkuta region has no questions for the Germans. And to the Tatars too. And to others too


              As a person who lived “in the Magadan region” and “in the region” of the Soviet-Chinese border in the Far East, I have no questions whatsoever for the Germans, the Tatars or the other peoples of Russia.

              Quote: Greyfox
              And most here on the forum too.


              With all due respect to comrades with VO, for me this is not an indicator.
              I have my own opinion.


              Quote: Greyfox
              But Caucasians somehow annoy everyone ... Ay-ah, what are we all bad here. And the main thing is not clear why?


              laughing Evano, it cost 16 to kill a guy and all the problems with the Chinese, Vietnamese, Koreans, Ukrainians, Central Asians and others who are in Russia illegally immediately decided and - URA these problems already - NO.
              Caucasians alone annoy everyone. nude nude.
              1. Greyfox
                Greyfox 12 July 2013 17: 09 New
                +4
                Quote: Karlsonn
                I do not have anything bad against our Germans, the people as a people, like all other peoples in Russia.

                Honestly, a week ago it seemed to me differently.

                Quote: Karlsonn
                Evano, it cost 16 to kill a guy and all the problems with the Chinese, Vietnamese, Koreans, Ukrainians, Central Asians and others who are in Russia illegally immediately decided and - URA these problems already - NO.
                Caucasians alone annoy everyone. nude nude.

                The problem is that an illegal immigrant will serve the sentence for the crime and will be expelled or expelled BEFORE he commits the crime, and the 16-year-old will receive the court most likely 8 years (maximum 10) if the cunning lawyer cannot push through the version that they usually they complain about affect or self-defense or about a scalpel that turns out to belong to the victim (as I understand from your posts that you are related to law enforcement agencies, therefore you should know the usual set of arguments), and the head of the diaspora (I repeat that for it’s a synonym for me for an “ethnic criminal group”) can’t either smear the judges with money or buy the ghoul from the zone. My forecast (the case is resonant) - at first they will give him 10 years, on cassation they will reduce him to 8, he will serve 5 (if they do not buy it from the zone before). And the grown-up young animal will remain in the country full citizen. And I need such a citizen like a stop signal like a hare, and to other normal residents of Russia too. So the problem of the neighborhood with such “citizens” is, and we don’t need to talk about it with Koreans and Chinese (and especially Ukrainians).
                1. Karlsonn
                  Karlsonn 12 July 2013 18: 01 New
                  0
                  Quote: Greyfox
                  Honestly, a week ago it seemed to me differently.


                  A week ago, I had a conversation in the wrong way - I repent repeat .
                  The bottom line is that I don’t like sticking out problems with the deportation of Germans, Tatars, Chechens and so on.
                  Our country has lived like this for the 20th century, that EVERY family has a tragedy.
                  My relatives were dispossessed and sent to the Far East, but this does not prevent me from holding extreme leftist views.


                  Quote: Greyfox
                  and the 16-year-old will receive in court most likely 8 years (maximum 10)


                  Our courts are generally a separate song.


                  Quote: Greyfox
                  (I understand from your posts that you are related to law enforcement, so you should know the usual set of arguments)

                  yes



                  Quote: Greyfox
                  and the head of the diaspora (I repeat that for me it is a synonym for "ethnic criminal grouping") will not be able to smear the judges with money or buy the ghoul from the zone.


                  Everything is complicated here, here the criminal “segment” of the “Russian-speaking” diaspora solves some of the “questions” of the diaspora in the USA, and in return has the support of this diaspora. As a result, all “Russians” in the USA (especially in England) laughing ) - all the bandits.


                  Quote: Greyfox
                  My forecast (the case is resonant) - at first they will give him 10 years, on cassation they will reduce him to 8, he will serve 5 (if they do not buy it from the zone before). And the grown-up young animal will remain in the country as a full citizen. And I need such a citizen like a stop signal like a hare, and to other normal residents of Russia too.


                  Well, what can I say request , maybe, then, maybe.
                  I do not condone the killer, he must be punished, just for me he is on the same shelf with Natalia Vulia.
                  1. Greyfox
                    Greyfox 12 July 2013 18: 52 New
                    +1
                    I was involved in VET (retired, though I’m a very young pensioner), so I don’t know about the Caucasian diasporas in our Russian realities. I googled about Natalya with a bee surname, let the court sort it out. I certainly won’t shout at the forum to be exchanged for some “aglitsky spy.” As you said, maybe it’s possible.
                    1. Karlsonn
                      Karlsonn 12 July 2013 19: 42 New
                      0
                      Quote: Greyfox
                      I certainly won’t scream at the forum to be exchanged for some "aglitsky spyen." As you said, maybe it’s possible


                      Well, at least they agreed on something, and that’s good. drinks
                    2. grafrozow
                      grafrozow 12 July 2013 21: 20 New
                      0
                      Yes, Carlson, you really love your kin, you’re even ready to forgive the mockery of her. Real leftist views, all according to Marx.
                    3. Karlsonn
                      Karlsonn 12 July 2013 23: 05 New
                      +1
                      Quote: grafrozow
                      Yes, Carlson, you really love your kin, you’re even ready to forgive bullying her.


                      Yes - I love my family.
                      My dispossessed great-grandfather, as a class enemy, should have been shot since he was not even an ordinary fist, but a super fist, he wasn’t shot because he adopted the revolution from 1917 and helped the Red partisans.
                      He was shot by the Germans in 1942, for helping the partisans.
                      He was a Belarusian.
                      My grandfather, a Russian Chekist cadre, married my Ukrainian grandmother, who was sent from Ukraine to the border with China, which shook her career quite a bit.

                      In my family, as in the family of everyone here, all the intertwining of our country over the 20th century was reflected.

                      Quote: grafrozow
                      , even ready to forgive bullying her


                      There is a personal tragedy, and there is a course of historical processes is a big difference. I have relatives in my family and some nobles, but I don’t feel the nostalgia for the crunch of the French roll.


                      Quote: grafrozow
                      . Real leftist views, all according to Marx.


                      So exactly soldier , Marx in komirzhdah and all kinds of ivy leagues are studying, probably raging with fat.
                    4. grafrozow
                      grafrozow 13 July 2013 09: 56 New
                      0
                      Everything is clear, on the forehead of the armor with 2 fingers. In Germany, a monument to K. Marx was erected because his ideas were not tested in their country. And what kind of nobles were your relatives? Grandfather, Chekist? No nostalgia for the “French roll”? Yes, you and did not try it. I am sorry for you.
                    5. Karlsonn
                      Karlsonn 14 July 2013 21: 23 New
                      0
                      Quote: grafrozow
                      .And which nobles were in kindred?


                      were.


                      Quote: grafrozow
                      Grandfather is a Chekist?

                      Yes.

                      Quote: grafrozow
                      There is no nostalgia for the "French roll"? Yes, you have not tried it. I feel sorry for you.


                      lovers of rolls - I’ll finish it myself.
  • Uncle
    Uncle 12 July 2013 15: 59 New
    +1
    Quote: baltika-18
    That's when the punishment will be adequate to the crime committed, killed by shooting, then those wishing to grab the knife or gun will decrease many times

    I agree, Tsarnaev in the United States shines an electric chair. And it is right!
  • Airman
    Airman 12 July 2013 09: 58 New
    +7
    Quote: nycsson

    Yeah. People are starting to wake up. And it pleases!!!
    Russia is flooded with migrants! I recommend to see.



    The article is called "Lessons from the tragedy." Lessons for power? The authorities will miss these events, even if someone expresses their opinion on them. Lessons for the people? Maybe. Paul that performances can be removed by a corrupt policeman, possibly a bastard. But the essence of power does not change from this.
  • smile
    smile 12 July 2013 15: 25 New
    +1
    nycsson
    In 88, I came to enter the Kaliningrad University from Lithuania and remained in view of the fact that the Union collapsed, but did not want to return to Lithuania ... am I also a migrant? By the way, if you dig, here are all-migrants. but some locals who are more polite have an ambition as if they have been living here for centuries ...
    So this, what do you think you need to do so that I do not migrant impudently, do not tell me?
  • T80UM1
    T80UM1 12 July 2013 09: 12 New
    +9
    My opinion - for the murder of a murder, killed a Chechen Russian just like that, in the next world he was wrapped in lard pork. He killed a Russian Chechen just like that, a bullet in the back of the head, and the expense of relatives. That's more fair. A cruel execution - because it would be disgraceful for the rest, a couple of cases of real retaliation for the whole country - and everything will be quieter than water below the grass ...
    1. Cyril7377
      Cyril7377 12 July 2013 10: 18 New
      10
      Yes, it’s possible without fat, the question is that the moratorium on the death penalty should be lifted .. at one time, one investigator on especially important cases conducted a scientific investigation and found that the presence of an EXISTING form of punishment in the RSFSR in itself retained the life of at least 7 thousand of our citizens, a very effective preventive measure, and so ... will get 15 years, in a supervisory authority on a quiet, when passions subside will reduce to 10, and then UDO ... looking at relatives there are still no tears on the face dried up, and the villain is already free
    2. cdrt
      cdrt 12 July 2013 12: 23 New
      +5
      1. Fat is five.
      2. Shooting - hmm ... the same cops PURPOSE cover diasporas. Therefore, the Russians will ALWAYS be guilty.
      3. Any murder is only a jury trial. The minimum term is 12 years, cancel parole during the murder, the murdered and the murderer of different nationalities - the term is automatically maximum
      1. Karlsonn
        Karlsonn 12 July 2013 15: 13 New
        -1
        Quote: cdrt
        Any murder is just a jury trial. The minimum term is 12 years, cancel parole during the murder, the murdered and the murderer of different nationalities - the term is automatically maximum


        Once again (God forbid, of course), if you follow your logic, then:
        - Tomorrow you will have to fight back, during a gop-stop, against several opponents, one will fall and hit his head on the curb - he is a corpse.
        He is not of Russian nationality.
        According to your logic, you "jam" for 12 years, without the possibility of parole.
        How do you like that?
        1. alicante11
          alicante11 12 July 2013 16: 06 New
          +1
          Why juggle something? This is self-defense. And she must remain her. What are 12 years here? Here the excuse should be pure water.
          1. Karlsonn
            Karlsonn 12 July 2013 16: 55 New
            0
            Quote: alicante11
            Why juggle something?


            I do not distort at all, but adhere to the logic of the comrade cdrt .


            Quote: alicante11
            This is self-defense. And she must remain her. What are 12 years here? Here the excuse should be pure water.


            You can’t see the comrade, but in the situation, as I described above, both the Soviet court and the modern Russian and Ukrainian in 9 cases out of 999 will issue a guilty verdict.

            And in my case, as having sports regalia in 10 cases out of 000.

            If you have known athletes 30-40 years old ask them, you will find out a lot of interesting cases. hi
            1. Karlsonn
              Karlsonn 13 July 2013 00: 32 New
              +1
              Che minusovshchiki - nothing to argue? laughing bully
              drain - protected.
              1. Karlsonn
                Karlsonn 13 July 2013 02: 50 New
                0
                those who minus me - the drain is protected.
                as a Soviet classic - I give my word - I will not forget.
                Wait.
              2. alicante11
                alicante11 13 July 2013 02: 57 New
                0
                Count the drain too early. Other people have things to do besides sitting on this site. It's clear?
                1. Karlsonn
                  Karlsonn 13 July 2013 03: 52 New
                  0
                  Quote: alicante11
                  Count the drain too early. Other people have things to do besides sitting on this site. It's clear?


                  I am a Soviet athlete, I know what I'm talking about. Do others have things to do? Obviously, they were not and did not participate in Soviet sports. Schools - therefore - on the fuy from the beach!

                  the one who did not run 30 km in front of international ones and after that did not sit in the sauna to lose weight for several hours, swallowing his heart --- comrade alicante11

                  Quote: alicante11
                  Other people have things to do besides sitting on this site. This is clear?


                  unclear!!!
                  I personally - you, comrade in the mountains I will cross.
                  I personally - raised - a couple of dozen boys, unlike you.
                  And we argue that in the wrestling circle I will tear you apart.
                  1. alicante11
                    alicante11 13 July 2013 06: 18 New
                    +2
                    I am a Soviet athlete, I know what I'm talking about. Do others have things to do? Obviously, they were not and did not participate in Soviet sports. Schools - therefore - on the fuy from the beach!

                    the one who did not run 30 km in front of international ones and after that did not sit in the sauna to lose weight for several hours, swallowing his heart --- comrade alicante11


                    "Comrade", you are an ordinary measurer "pipisky" :). A person who can do something, he will not try to cover up his stupidity with this.
                    Please explain how the availability of cases other than writing on this site is related to the fact that you are an athlete there and can do something? Complete stupidity and lack of logic.

                    unclear!!!
                    I personally - you, comrade in the mountains I will cross.
                    I personally - raised - a couple of dozen boys, unlike you.
                    And we argue that in the wrestling circle I will tear you apart.


                    Once again. How does the fact that you “move me in the mountains” and the fact that you brought up a couple of dozen boys correlate with the fact that others can’t have other things to do, feed how to write on this site?
                    At the expense of the one whom I raised, not for you to judge. In addition to his three children, whom I raise, during his work only released 4 groups of "two dozen boys", and eating a couple of "girls".
                    And about the "wrestling", well, in this case, it begs to answer with the words of one network inadequacy.
                    “I’ll shoot you in the knee and put him in the bullpen” (c).
                    1. Karlsonn
                      Karlsonn 14 July 2013 21: 27 New
                      0
                      Quote: alicante11
                      "Comrade", you are an ordinary measurer "pipiskami" :)


                      not a single one answered.
                      Quote: alicante11
                      Please explain how the availability of cases other than writing on this site is related to the fact that you are an athlete there and can do something? Complete stupidity and lack of logic.


                      unlike many, the banner of the USSR, on international ones, rose.
                    2. 3 inches.
                      3 inches. 14 July 2013 23: 53 New
                      +1
                      you might think you answered. I read your opuses and I am surprised. I’ll do everything in the wrestling circle ... but if I shoot well then why should I circle? Didn’t you try to think?
          2. alicante11
            alicante11 13 July 2013 02: 16 New
            0
            Absolutely not distort, but adhere to the logic of comrade cdrt.


            So "comrade cdrt" also distorts. Responsible for yourself.

            You can’t see Kamrad, but in the situation, as I described above, the Soviet court


            I know. By the way, just in the version you have given (excluding the athlete who), not everything is so simple. It just has a high chance of recognition as a necessary defense. Since the weapon was not used. But it’s clearly not the article “murder” in any way. In the worst case (and, I agree, quite often), the case is “excess”. And you were talking about intentional murder. That is why I said that you distort.

            Well, for a snack, I also do not like modern laws on defense, or rather, law enforcement practice. But if you read my short post carefully, you might notice that it says "MUST be justified." Those. The post is written in a hypothetical perspective, as well as the subject of your dispute, which also does not exist.
  • xmike
    xmike 12 July 2013 12: 42 New
    0
    My personal opinion coincides with yours, but this approach is not feasible. The world community is just waiting to be blamed for "undemocratic and inhuman."
    1. Cheloveck
      Cheloveck 12 July 2013 14: 44 New
      +2
      Quote: xmike
      My personal opinion coincides with yours, but this approach is not feasible. The world community is just waiting to be blamed for undemocratic and inhuman

      The world community tolerates pederasty, maybe just spit on it?
      There will be more benefits.
      All the same, apart from words, this community of Russia cannot do anything, by and large.
  • evgenii67
    evgenii67 12 July 2013 09: 20 New
    25
    Hello everyone! I came from the mountains, to the plain or to Siberia or to any other place of our Motherland, behave appropriately, but the Russians do not dance hopak under the viburnum-raspberry on the central square in Grozny, for example.
  • w.ebdo.g
    w.ebdo.g 12 July 2013 14: 26 New
    -5
    Thanks for the article, Alex.
    Immediately after the release of the previous article on the "uprising" in Pugachev, I tried in comments to write fragmentarily and explain to the people exactly the idea of ​​your article ...
    but there was a mess, insults me and cons ...
    did wrong. Now, to convey "complex" information to some individuals, I will write in the form of an article.
    it will be more complete and understandable to everyone. without distraction for disputes.
    Thank you for the article.
    frame from the movie Russian Riot
  • Savva30
    Savva30 13 July 2013 23: 12 New
    0
    All of these requirements are not feasible. How do you imagine passport verification by public associations? In each city there are hundreds of them, whom to admit and who not to admit to inspection ... Change legislation? Meaning?
    As for raids to find alcohol. What will it give? Does anyone really believe that the whole problem is in alcohol? Better to ask why people drink? It is much more interesting and will definitely lead to the origins of the problem ...
    Involve diasporas in resolving security issues, in general complete insanity. On the contrary, they should be pushed as tightly as possible away from the executive branch, which they have long given recommendations on how to behave towards their countrymen ... Public councils can be useful, but I doubt that they will be allowed to information and be given any powers ... Creating squads is not difficult. However, who will finance them, what are their rights, duties, responsibilities, and if anyone is remembered ...
    I largely disagree with the author. The tragedy in Pugachev and subsequent events is a cry of the soul of the Russian family. The mess, sooner or later, leads precisely to this. No radicalism, extremism, etc. there is no. Everything is much simpler. As for the Natsiks ... I doubt that the people can be raised to a rally, with the proper work of the authorities and the power bloc. The authorities and the security forces are prosra ... the situation, but they are hiding behind extremism ... Soon they will call the toilet paper “Extremism”. I watched the conversation of the plenipotentiary with people ... they promise the same thing, with the same text. Who will believe this ???
  • Ragnarek
    Ragnarek 12 July 2013 07: 44 New
    24
    someone really wants to turn this situation upside down. in the German newspaper there is a photograph in which the Nazis from the UPA carry posters with Bandera, and below the signature in Pugachev, nationalism is gaining strength.
    1. Rustam
      Rustam 12 July 2013 08: 16 New
      +9
      For some, this crime (murder) is like manna from heaven, for example, I speak little here about national feuds, why? The topic is very complex and requires a complex and substantive conversation, it is now clear that certain forces have begun to cling to this situation (everyone knows who I am) and want to rock the situation very well and gain even more political points.

      so we can lose the country

      - I hate Wahhabis with their foundations and dreams of a worldwide Sharia + Asia that has flooded our streets (we must deal with them)

      - the same negative attitude towards fascists and phrases Russia for Russians, etc., etc. (by the way, by the age of 30, the bulk of this audience is changing its views)

      I repeat the topic is complicated, but recording everyone in bandits is also wrong and low

      here is a good post on this topic from -hardingush
      ____ _____________

      I will reveal the topic of how we are pitted with Kakaz.

      This is a very interesting topic, in fact, but
      Everyone knows what is happening on the one hand. This is "Stop feeding the Caucasus." but ethnocrime, Lezghinki, showing off and aggressiveness of part of the Caucasian youth outside the republic. Where did all this come from?



      Firstly, the promotion of Islamic norms and thesis: "to demonstrate their religiosity to others at all costs." An example is the promotion of the hijab theme. Girls, like, are required to go to school in hijabs, as our religion requires. It is worth asking the question: “And if my religion is nudism, can my children go to school naked?”, How radical imams merge with the characteristic sound of a drain tank. But for the fools to whom they feed the topic of banning hijabs, arguments are not needed, the main thing is to sow a sense of resentment.


      Note that the people in Pugachev did not demand the rule of law, but the eviction of Chechens. That is, the requirement is absolutely illegal and impossible. Because tomorrow the crowd may demand that the redheads be evicted. Or blondes. Why not? Collect statistics on how many murders are committed by red and blond - your hair will stand on end. Last year, there were totally 2,3 million crimes in Russia. Did all Caucasians do this? 38 thousand murders occurred last year - how many of them were Caucasians? It is easy to find out, because each such incident, committed with the participation of people of Caucasian nationality, instantly becomes an information trend. Any domestic household immediately gets a national touch. It is so easy to succumb to the temptation and start screaming on the Internet "our beat!". But this is the ground for such situations to recur. After all, Russians are killing Russians - this is nonsense, a matter of everyday life. And if a Caucasian killed a Russian, this is a holy war.

      As one young Ingush said: "Who cares who started the fight first. We’ll be blamed anyway." In order to form such a feeling in him, someone spent a lot of energy. New grievances must be brought down to the Caucasus, because old ones are still not effective enough.



      http://hardingush.livejournal.com/(полный текст статьи)
      1. Greyfox
        Greyfox 12 July 2013 08: 27 New
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        As one young Ingush said: “But who cares who started the fight first. We’ll be blamed anyway”

        Yeah. Only for some reason, playing in the fray, the “boys” from the Caucasus, without hesitation, put to use the knives and bats that they always have with them. And then they gundos in front of the TV camera “Rafik is not winoat. I picked my nose with my teeth, and then he fell and fell on a knife, and still vasymnadtsatu times, shouting at the same time, "Death to the Kazakhs!" Here’s the mine innocent because of the Nazi was taken! "
        Stop making Russian Nazis! If you are an Ingush, come to live in the Russian region, behave in a human way, and not in a “Caucus”! And no one will appoint you guilty and will not consider a monkey!
        1. Rustam
          Rustam 12 July 2013 08: 48 New
          +8
          Greyfox (3) Today, 08:27
          If you are an Ingush, come to live in the Russian region, behave humanly
          ______________

          I tell you this is a difficult topic, because this is a quote from another person, but in some ways it is correct (and to quote the Comedy Club, I don’t know of course)

          -about how they behave, but some behave defiantly and arrogantly, mostly young people, they have such a mentality? Most of all, Aey pisses me off (naturally, you need to respect and adapt to the life of another region and city)

          -Stop making Russian Nazis!

          I don’t do it, for example, I simply do not understand the slogans of Russia for Russians, ridges, etc., etc., just as we behave ourselves in everyday life and on the street, I don’t want to start a difficult topic

          on the one hand the dominance of nonresidents (mainly Asia) on the other and how without them
          and on the other hand, our swine behavior is an example of a playground, mountains of garbage and husks, and the phrase Tajiks will be removed in the morning

          -
          1. Armata
            Armata 12 July 2013 09: 26 New
            59
            Quote: Rustam
            I tell you this is a difficult topic, because this is a quote from another person, but in some ways it is correct (and to quote the Comedy Club, I don’t know of course)

            -about how they behave, but some behave defiantly and arrogantly, mostly young people, they have such a mentality? Most of all, Aey pisses me off (naturally, you need to respect and adapt to the life of another region and city)

            -Stop making Russian Nazis!

            I don’t do it, for example, I simply do not understand the slogans of Russia for Russians, ridges, etc., etc., just as we behave ourselves in everyday life and on the street, I don’t want to start a difficult topic

            on the one hand the dominance of nonresidents (mainly Asia) on the other and how without them
            and on the other hand, our swine behavior is an example of a playground, mountains of garbage and husks, and the phrase Tajiks will be removed in the morning
            Once I had a Dagestan friend, he honestly worked at the factory for a salary, but then his brother (FIG knows by what principles they are fraternized there) suggested that he oversee illegal parking lots (and we have a lot of them in the city). Now it drives Kruzak, does not greet any of those with whom it worked, and recently it said to the neighbor’s son, “Clean up your big sheep”. When the hedgehog from Ilya on the head (it should be noted that they worked in the same workshop) said "right now our people will come and you will wash your blood" As a result, his "brothers" arrived. They saw how many Russians gathered (they still blocked tons from the yard with a 5 truck) And It began, "Do you want everyone to die?" “Well, let’s take a look who will die first” “Yes, we will kill you all” “Well try” “U clear the road, we’ll talk to you another time” Then after that it runs through the yard in short dashes, and his offspring is afraid to go out, to take a walk with other children. Question. Why should I respect them if they behave this way? Now I hope you understand where “Russia for Russians” grows, first learn how to behave, and then demand respect. (This is not specifically for you personally, I’m sure that you are a worthy person. This attempt to explain where this attitude towards Caucasians comes from)
            1. baltika-18
              baltika-18 12 July 2013 10: 14 New
              17
              Quote: Mechanic
              Now I hope you understand where "Russia for the Russians" grows, first learn to behave, and then demand respect.

              Zhenya, you are right.
              1. Committee
                Committee 12 July 2013 11: 29 New
                +4
                RUSSIA IS FOR RUSSIANS!

                Like Germany for the Germans, Italy for the Italians, France for the French, etc. and although there are fewer indigenous ones than ours, all laws are built on this principle and no one, I emphasize - NOBODY accuses them of nationalism or infringement of the rights of diasporas!
                1. Essenger
                  Essenger 12 July 2013 14: 24 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Committee
                  Like Germany for the Germans, Italy for the Italians, France for the French


                  It is not worth drawing a parallel with these countries. They lost their empire. But Russia is still an empire. Do you want to live by the principle of RUSSIA FOR RUSSIAN? Ok, then give freedom to all Turkic, Caucasian and Finno-Ugric peoples.
                2. Very old
                  Very old 12 July 2013 14: 40 New
                  0
                  Sarkozy managed to infringe - drove back to Romania, not Romanians, but
                3. mansur
                  mansur 12 July 2013 14: 51 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Committee
                  Just like Germany for the Germans,

                  This slogan in Germany was from the 30s and it all ended on May 9, 1945.
                  And the multinational, but led by the Russian people, Soviet Union won!
                4. Karlsonn
                  Karlsonn 12 July 2013 18: 13 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Committee
                  RUSSIA IS FOR RUSSIANS!

                  Like Germany for the Germans, Italy for the Italians, France for the French


                  Atlantic Ocean for the Atlanteans!
                  Bobruisk for beavers!
                  Winterfell - Stark !!! laughing
                  1. saturn.mmm
                    saturn.mmm 13 July 2013 01: 00 New
                    0
                    Quote: Karlsonn
                    Bobruisk for beavers!

                    After the Jews left for Israel
                    1. Karlsonn
                      Karlsonn 13 July 2013 02: 06 New
                      0
                      Quote: saturn.mmm
                      After the Jews left for Israel

                      North Pole - Hyperboreans !!!
                      1. Armata
                        Armata 13 July 2013 11: 28 New
                        0
                        Quote: Karlsonn
                        the north pole - to hyperboreans !!!
                        Hyperborea (a country where the wind does not reach) This is the Urals and Trans-Urals in the time of the Greeks. Therefore "-"
            2. Greyfox
              Greyfox 12 July 2013 10: 25 New
              14
              Once I had a Dagestan friend, he honestly worked at the factory for a salary, but then his brother (FIG knows by what principles they are fraternized there) suggested that he oversee illegal parking lots (and we have a lot of them in the city). Now it drives Kruzak, does not greet any of those with whom it worked, and recently it said to the neighbor’s son, “Clean up your big sheep”. When the hedgehog from Ilya on the head (it should be noted that they worked in the same workshop) said "right now our people will come and you will wash your blood" As a result, his "brothers" arrived. They saw how many Russians gathered (they still blocked tons from the yard with a 5 truck) And It began, "Do you want everyone to die?" “Well, let’s take a look who will die first” “Yes, we will kill you all” “Well try” “U clear the road, we’ll talk to you another time” Then after that it runs through the yard in short dashes, and his offspring is afraid to go out, to take a walk with other children. Question. Why should I respect them if they behave this way? Now I hope you understand where “Russia for Russians” grows, first learn how to behave, and then demand respect. (This is not specifically for you personally, I’m sure that you are a worthy person. This attempt to explain where this attitude towards Caucasians comes from)

              The example is very revealing. In my opinion, it’s time to introduce the term “Caucasian Nazism” - all the history of conflicts between Caucasians and people of other nationalities goes like a carbon-threat, a call to “take away”, threats of murder. If there are more, then the execution of threats. Then, taken for cpaky: "Rafik is not winatoat." And why don't they like them?
              1. govoruha-otrok
                govoruha-otrok 12 July 2013 11: 52 New
                +7
                "Caucasian Nazism" is essentially true!
            3. Kahlan amnell
              Kahlan amnell 12 July 2013 11: 31 New
              11
              Now I hope you understand where “Russia for Russians” grows, first learn how to behave, and then demand respect. (This is not specifically for you personally, I’m sure that you are a worthy person. This attempt to explain where this attitude towards Caucasians comes from)

              That's right. So with all normal people: having come to live somewhere - respect the locals. Then there will be respect for you. And you won’t have to demand it. But it turns out differently, they demand respect for themselves, despising others. This is one of the main signs. jerks.
            4. saturn.mmm
              saturn.mmm 13 July 2013 00: 58 New
              +1
              Quote: Mechanic
              Once I had a friend of Dagestan,

              You are rightly told. This is the problem of bringing up Caucasian children in families; they are brought up initially opposing the Russians.
              You can refer a lot to different economic reasons, but it is.
        2. domokl
          domokl 12 July 2013 08: 49 New
          10
          Quote: Greyfox
          Stop making Russian Nazis!

          You don’t have to talk about everyone. Nobody makes the Russians Nazis. We have every creature in pairs. The country is big. And there are Russians who let the knife go without hesitation. Talk about something else. Talk about something we cannot understand in any way. that you need to answer for the words. We are used to the fact that the mat is re-sort of like the norm. And for the eastern person, for example, the mother is sacred (as it was with us as well). And in the heat of a quarrel you can hear ... your mother. Such insults, alas, are washed away with blood.
          Try with us, in a Siberian village, to express yourself like that ... They may not kill, but they will cripple for sure.
          1. Greyfox
            Greyfox 12 July 2013 09: 05 New
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            And for an Eastern person, for example, a holy mother (as we once did). And in the heat of a quarrel one can often hear -EH ... your mother. Such insults, alas, are washed away with blood.

            Exactly. I said this about this, now you are quoting one of the possible excuses for the 16-year-old woman from Pugachev. So I see his lawyer’s speech "The defendant made his actions in an affect state, under the influence of insults from his mother. The knife was picked up during the fight and belonged to the victim. " And if the head of the diaspora (pah, a vile word. Judging me more honestly, "the leader of an ethnic criminal gang") is "brought up" by judge, then the option will work. And people, seeing this, do not want to live with this “diaspora”.
            1. domokl
              domokl 12 July 2013 09: 10 New
              -1
              Quote: Greyfox
              And people seeing this live with this diaspora do not want.

              Where did you read that people opposed the Caucasians? People opposed the local authorities. For justice. Read the requirements. Nothing new. The usual duties of the Internal Affairs Directorate and the migration service.
              1. Greyfox
                Greyfox 12 July 2013 09: 23 New
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                At the rally, they shouted "Evict!" Now, after reading your explanations, I realized that they demanded to evict the local authorities. smile
                1. evgenii67
                  evgenii67 12 July 2013 10: 37 New
                  +8
                  Quote: domokl
                  Where did you read that people opposed the Caucasians? People opposed the local authorities. For justice. Read the requirements. Nothing new. The usual duties of the Internal Affairs Directorate and the migration service.

                  In every cafe and every yard there should be a "local authority", it’s just that for many "comrades from the mountains" the barzometer rolls over and has long been
                  Quote: Greyfox
                  At the rally, they shouted "Evict!" Now, after reading your explanations, I realized that they demanded to evict the local authorities.
                  ++++ Russian people are patient, but still no one should test the patience of the people
                  Quote: Mechanic
                  Question. Why should I respect them if they behave this way? Now I hope you understand where “Russia for Russians” grows, first learn how to behave, and then demand respect. (This is not specifically for you personally, I’m sure that you are a worthy person. This attempt to explain where this attitude towards Caucasians comes from)
                  ++++ and such an example is a great many, which can be respect for people who are threatened in incomprehensible Russian, shoot, dance in the squares, drive cars in an incomprehensible way, after which they still prove with the help of trauma or “brothers” that the rules go, and one according to the rules. Of course, there are adequate representatives, but somehow they "dissolve" are hardly noticeable, because "inadequate" behave too "brightly", and by the way, they are trying to be more or less tolerant, not to offend the "national minorities", etc. d. and what will the statistics tell us in% correlation of the crimes committed in Moscow, in general, the share of Caucasians in this matter is very, well, very significant, and the punishment is very, very conditional. How can I respect people who behave this way and how to respect a government that “punishes” impunity with impunity.
            2. Rustam
              Rustam 12 July 2013 09: 33 New
              +2
              Exactly. I said about this, now you are quoting one of the possible options for justifying a 16-year-old woman
              ___

              And when frostbites in Moscow were killed under the cries of ZIG HAYLE, the famous Russian chess player, born in Yakutia Sergei Nikolayev, he is my Russian, the answer is what you are Russian, bit_ ukogoglazaya is how?

              - a fight like this can kill a Tajik in ten or Yakut can be drilled - what's the difference (the face is not the same) or will you look for a passport? Then put it on YouTube with German songs - romance, struggle and beauty

              only killing these flocks so much that even the spikes rest

              ________
              other side

              resonant crimes of theft, robberies are also committed by Caucasians, everywhere people like an example a person takes a large sum, at a traffic light friends from the Caucasus ask him to melt with this amount
              1. Greyfox
                Greyfox 12 July 2013 09: 40 New
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                And when frostbites in Moscow were killed under the cries of ZIG HAYLE, the famous Russian chess player, born in Yakutia Sergei Nikolayev, he is my Russian, the answer is what you are Russian, bit_ ukogoglazaya is how?

                And this is exactly the same! Ghouls killed a man. At the same time, no one doubted that they would be rewarded according to the law, because no "head of the diaspora" ran around the offices.
              2. Normal
                Normal 12 July 2013 22: 53 New
                -2
                Quote: Rustam
                And when frostbites in Moscow were killed to the cries of ZIG HAYL, the famous Russian chess player, a native of Yakutia Sergey Nikolaev ..... how is it?

                Well, I’ll try to explain. Although honestly without hope of understanding. Excuse me, but I have not yet met a Caucasian who would give up his point of view and agree with me.
                So what is the difference?
                The fact that Russian thugs killed in Moscow, that is, in Russia, i.e., at home. This does not justify them, it is just a description of the crime scene. Moreover, not a single normal Russian justifies them. In general, it’s not typical for Russians to cover thugs. If the Russian is scum, then the whole nation turns away from him and even the next of kin as a rule do not stand up for him.
                Now about the 16-year-old w-ke. He didn’t kill at home. He was well aware of this. He believed that killing a Russian in Russia was not a crime. For his mentality, and therefore for the mentality of those who raised him, among whom he grew up, this is not a crime.
                That is the difference, in this case of the Chechen national mentality, from the Russian, that for the Chechens the Russian killer is not a criminal. Of course, he will be condemned in words and can even be imprisoned, but he will come out very quickly and no one doubts this. In general, for the Caucasian peoples, it is a rule in every way to help their own, despite the fact that they are criminals and outright scumbags. And if the crime is committed against Russian then ... I will not be repeated.
                1. Karlsonn
                  Karlsonn 13 July 2013 00: 33 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Normal
                  Excuse me, but I have not yet met a Caucasian who would give up his point of view and agree with me.


                  I invite you to Kiev, introduce you. drinks
                2. Rustam
                  Rustam 13 July 2013 21: 41 New
                  +1
                  Normal (1) Yesterday, 22:53 PM
                  Sorry, but have not met a Caucasian



                  I am not from the Caucasus, and I do not defend them. I stand for the integrity of the Russian Federation.
                  1. Normal
                    Normal 13 July 2013 21: 55 New
                    0
                    Quote: Rustam
                    I'm not from the Caucasus

                    I'm sorry, I did not understand.
                    Quote: Rustam
                    , and do not protect them.

                    When Caucasians kill Russians you give examples of Russian crimes, then you indirectly justify Caucasians; if Russians kill, then Caucasians can kill Russians.
                    By the way, the Tatar was killed by his father, but Caucasians do not care.
                    Quote: Rustam
                    I stand for the integrity of the Russian Federation.

                    And I stand for the preservation of Russia.
          2. Cyril7377
            Cyril7377 12 July 2013 10: 47 New
            +9
            Yes, it's time to understand that the expression "E ... your mother" is nothing more than a verbal idiom "and she has nothing to do with someone's mother ... in Russia they are so foul and only ... Remember that the Russian" E .. your mother "and the Caucasian" I’m sleeping with your mother "are two completely different things and they should be understood in different ways, rather than clinging to words and cutting each for nothing
            1. Rakti-kali
              Rakti-kali 12 July 2013 12: 17 New
              +2
              Quote: Cyril7377
              Yes, it's time to understand that the expression "E ... your mother" is nothing more than a verbal idiom "and she has nothing to do with someone's mother ... in Russia they are so foul and only ... Remember that the Russian" E .. your mother "and the Caucasian" I’m sleeping with your mother "are two completely different things and they should be understood in different ways, rather than clinging to words and cutting each for nothing

              Isn't it better to just follow the "sounds made by the body"? Or the level of intelligence and active vocabulary do not allow our young citizens to use the Russian language? So there is a good recipe for treating this disease - you need to read books, and not only "fan fiction" by your favorite "shooters".
              In one film, a character asked another: “You English have come up with English, so why don't you use it?” And I want to ask this question to our population, especially young people - why are you so willing to swear, instead of using literary Russian?
              1. Cyril7377
                Cyril7377 12 July 2013 14: 44 New
                0
                It's not about the level of intelligence ... History knows many examples when great. highly educated people used swearing ... Swearing is used mainly to give emotional coloring in speech, or to link words, if you take and legalize all swear words, introduce them into everyday life, believe people will come up with new ones ... Therefore, you need to understand who where and what he said, not everyone likes that people swear, but this is not a reason to scream at people and cut ...
            2. matross
              matross 12 July 2013 12: 47 New
              0
              Quote: Cyril7377
              Yes, it's time to understand that the expression "E ... your mother" is nothing more than a verbal idiom "and she has nothing to do with someone's mother ... in Russia they are so foul and only ... Remember that the Russian" E .. your mother "and the Caucasian" I’m sleeping with your mother "are two completely different things and they should be understood in different ways, rather than clinging to words and cutting each for nothing

              But it’s right! Look at the root, comrade! Do not understand the nuances of the Russian language, of which mat is an integral part, learn the materiel! In our country and in our own language, we have the right to communicate without the threat of a knife under the ribs!
              P.S. On the topic: to make a change to the Criminal Code - murder using a knife, sharpening, etc. - term without the right to parole. And serving a sentence for all, without exception, at the scene of the crime.
              1. Cyril7377
                Cyril7377 12 July 2013 14: 48 New
                +2
                It is easier to make changes not to the Criminal Code, complicating the norm, but to amend the Code of Criminal Procedure, prohibiting the appeal, cassation and supervisory authorities at their discretion to change the amount of punishment if it is given by the court of first instance within the sanction of the article ... in other words, change the sentence only if there is obvious violations of the law committed by the court of first instance ... well, yes, the question of parole is a sick-painful topic, in my opinion one of the most corrupt schools of our legislation
          3. Leisure
            Leisure 12 July 2013 12: 01 New
            +8
            Well, yes, and visitors from the south are expressed mainly in the language of Pushkin, Chekhov, Tolstoy ........
          4. alicante11
            alicante11 12 July 2013 12: 35 New
            +3
            But what about "I am your mother e ... l"?
            Does this also speak of the holiness of motherhood? Or is it all, only the holiness of YOUR national motherhood?
            1. alicante11
              alicante11 12 July 2013 16: 01 New
              0
              I’m wondering who was the minus one, believes that the “Czechs” and “Dagi” don’t say that, or thinks that this is normal?
          5. Knizhnik
            Knizhnik 12 July 2013 13: 03 New
            +2
            In the Caucasus, words are really being watched more. Further on this topic. In one Baku prison there was one boss, so he always asked the new arrivals who got what for, and if someone was for bloodshed in a fight, he asked what the victim did to you. There were many people who wanted to show themselves injured for honor. And if they answered like “scolded his mother, relatives”, etc., then this boss scolded him at all what the light stands for (in our curse word we have the concept of “var-yohu”, this is “everyone who is and is not”) with the words: now kill me! Do they kill for words ?! Since then, even those who really wanted to wash off the insult with blood were warned: don’t think, say something else
          6. Normal
            Normal 12 July 2013 13: 47 New
            14
            Quote: domokl
            The conversation is that we can’t understand in any way what words should be answered.

            And the Caucasians are responsible for the words? Or maybe you have never heard from Caucasians threats, dirty insults of Russian women, our mothers and sisters? You don’t know anything about the fact that Caucasians are threatening death for any reason, how they yell that "I am your mouth e-al, I am your mother e-al!"? Have you had this in a Siberian village?
            You are now on the side of the Caucasus. With reservations, with explanations, but objectively not on the side of the Russians. And read the comments of respected members of the Forum from the Caucasus and Transcaucasia - they are always on their side. IS ALWAYS! Whatever happens, they always justify their nation and will never be on the side of the Russians. Even if there is no way to justify their own, they will say that the offender does not have a nationality, everyone has scum, but Caucasians are always good and Russians are just an exception and they will give a lot of examples that are not relevant, where Russians look negative. Understand that by your position you indulge the Caucasian lawlessnesses. Let indirectly, but you justify them.
            1. RPD
              RPD 12 July 2013 13: 59 New
              +3
              quite right
        3. vadimN
          vadimN 12 July 2013 12: 11 New
          +5
          Quote: Greyfox
          Stop making Russian Nazis!


          None of the Russians makes the Nazis as successful as the Caucasians themselves with their impudent behavior!
          Want to be respected, respect those with whom you live near!
        4. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 12 July 2013 18: 09 New
          0
          Quote: Greyfox
          Yeah. Only for some reason, playing in the fray, the “boys” from the Caucasus, without hesitation, put to use the knives and bats that they always have with them. And then they gundos in front of the TV camera “Rafik not winoat


          And how did he think about Tsapok?


          Quote: Greyfox
          If you are an Ingush, come to live in the Russian region, behave in a human way, and not in a “Caucus”! And no one will appoint you guilty and will not consider a monkey!


          I agree.
          1. Misantrop
            Misantrop 12 July 2013 18: 25 New
            +1
            Quote: Karlsonn
            And how did he think about Tsapok?
            The strangest thing is that he was just thinking. And for quite some time, until he finally became convinced of his own impunity. After all, they were taken only when they were completely overwhelmed. Having decided that they can do everything, they even stopped trying to hide their actions
            1. Karlsonn
              Karlsonn 12 July 2013 19: 21 New
              0
              Quote: Misantrop
              Having decided that they can do everything, they even stopped trying to hide their actions


              There are packs of such hoes that have been operating for decades in Russia and Ukraine.
              But the theme of interethnic enmity will still pedal.
          2. Normal
            Normal 12 July 2013 19: 05 New
            +2
            Quote: Karlsonn
            And how did he think about Tsapok?

            And where is the hoe?
            1. Karlsonn
              Karlsonn 12 July 2013 19: 56 New
              0
              Quote: Normal
              And where is the hoe?


              The problem of ethnic crime is presented on the billboard, and it even goes so far that the level of crimes committed by migrants in Moscow extends to the whole country, my example shows that there are problems that are simply hushed up and where the trouble is even greater.
              1. Ruslan67
                Ruslan67 12 July 2013 21: 49 New
                +1
                Quote: Karlsonn
                On the billboard is the issue of ethnic crime,

                In my house, a Tajik janitor every day cleans the stairs and sweeps the territory. And if he sees that someone is drinking vodka or smoking weed, then he can pull a shovel and there and his children are walking. Will the same crime be? what
                1. Karlsonn
                  Karlsonn 12 July 2013 23: 15 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Ruslan67
                  In my house, a Tajik janitor cleans the stairs every day


                  I have a Pakistani stairwell neighbor, such a guy good , from the beginning we went together to beat drug addicts, then wrote letters together - as a result, drug addicts bypass our entrance, and what’s most interesting - the Nakrolig’s mafia didn’t "come" behind us, the swing-carousel was stupid - it wasn’t.
                  That is, I’m not saying that I am a hero, I prepared for the situation - I would let my friends know and the “mafia” would get off the collision, but I didn’t have to - and as a result, two people: - the Pakistani and the Russian made drugs in our 16 storey building - NO! (in a whisper: -I used the admin. resource).

                  Quote: Ruslan67
                  someone drinks vodka or smokes weed, then they can pull a shovel, and there and his children walk The same crime will be?


                  reading this thread, I came to the conclusion that - yes. sad
                  1. Ruslan67
                    Ruslan67 13 July 2013 01: 11 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Karlsonn
                    reading this thread, I came to the conclusion that - yes.

                    And here is the bolt wassat Not in our yard negative Because not suddenly and not right away, but we didn’t have any left. And the authorities have absolutely nothing to do with it.
                    1. Karlsonn
                      Karlsonn 13 July 2013 02: 07 New
                      0
                      Ruslan67 friend - I'm sorry.
                      We made it.
                      1. Ruslan67
                        Ruslan67 13 July 2013 02: 27 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Karlsonn
                        friend - I'm sorry.

                        And what happened? we have forgotten the smell of anasha and a bottle past the urn what If someone pokes a precinct lives in a neighboring house growth 185 janitor works every day request Wellcome if health is tired wassat
              2. Normal
                Normal 12 July 2013 23: 19 New
                +3
                Quote: Karlsonn
                Ethnic crime issue on the billboard

                Deny this problem?
                Quote: Karlsonn
                and it comes to the point that the level of crimes committed by migrants in Moscow is spreading throughout the country,

                Kandopoga, Sagra, Pugachev is Moscow? Or maybe Moscow is not considered? Muscovites live in it, let the Caucasians cut them, it’s not a pity, right? This is not an indicator ...

                Quote: Karlsonn
                my example shows that there are problems that are simply hushed up and where the trouble is even greater.

                Your example, Alexei, shows that you are taking the conversation aside, replacing one with the other.
                The hoe is banditry, disgusting, scary, but just banditry. And the case in Pugachev is another manifestation of ethno-banditry. Ethnic banditry.
                Now, if you cite the example of Russian gangsterism in Chechnya, then this, as an example, would be correct. And so - a substitution.
                You say that Chechens are the same citizens of Russia as Tsapok? Not convincing. Not the same ... and this is clear to everyone except pro-authority.
                1. Ruslan67
                  Ruslan67 12 July 2013 23: 40 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Normal
                  , shows that you are taking the conversation aside, replacing one with another.

                  Quote: Normal
                  it is banditry, disgusting, scary, but just banditry.

                  Vladimir hi Well, you know that I’m definitely not Tollerast wassat Only to reduce any criminal to ethnical crime is stupid - they are waiting for us from this request But to force our own cops and bureaucrats to act according to the law, I don’t have recipes: just because a change of power will not give anything — in the opposition or those who are already in power have gotten into trouble or those who were not allowed to feed
                  1. Normal
                    Normal 13 July 2013 01: 59 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Ruslan67
                    Only to reduce any criminal to ethnical crime is stupid - they are waiting for us from this

                    Is it very clever to deny ethnicity? Or can it reduce the murders of Russians by Caucasians to everyday life is this right? No, if I annoy with my primitive illiteracy and cave nationalism of respected and reputable members of the forum, who have repeatedly visited hot spots and are ready to give this Russia to the Caucasus and Central Asia in order to preserve the integrity of Russia, then I will certainly shut up. No problem.
                    As one of my acquaintances said, the driver when they made a remark; they say you violate - and I'm not Russian. I’ll learn mokshen and fight for Great Mordovia from sea to sea.
                    Just remember my words Ruslan; this is not the last murder and a riot will really begin someday. A matter of time. Neither the government nor the opposition (what the hell is the opposition? Where is it?), Neither you, nor I, nor Karlsonn can do anything. The process is no longer reversible, unfortunately. You can only adjust it, but this desire is not observed.
                    "No one wants to think about while the Titanic floats ..."
                    1. Ruslan67
                      Ruslan67 13 July 2013 02: 14 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Normal
                      Is it very clever to deny ethnicity?

                      Volodya! Have I ever written somewhere that it’s not there? The Dagestan organized crime group in St. Petersburg was one of the most frostbitten. Chechens behaved like masters from Azerbaijanis. They were not in Moscow for a very long time, but in St. Petersburg now the main thing from our allies is the Armenians — it feels like they’ve been underground for 20 years so that everyone else is between They will figure it out and share everything. Get out and state your rights. request
                      Quote: Normal
                      that murder isn’t the last, and riot will really start someday. A matter of time.

                      I always said - if you don’t fuck the table on time, it’ll end badly
                      Quote: Normal
                      , neither you, nor I, nor Karlsonn can already do anything.

                      Well, you can say like each in its place ... what so we are already kind of adults laughing But agree to consider every drunken brawl from a sacred point of view. fool
                2. Karlsonn
                  Karlsonn 13 July 2013 00: 56 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Normal
                  Deny this problem?


                  No, I do not deny.

                  Quote: Normal
                  Kandopoga, Sagra, Pugachev is Moscow? Or maybe Moscow is not considered? Muscovites live in it, let the Caucasians cut them, it’s not a pity, right? This is not an indicator ...


                  yeah, while the inhabitants of Moscow become fascists, Slavic organized crime groups operate behind the Stone - but they don’t give a damn, because in the media about Caucasians.


                  Quote: Normal
                  Your example, Alexei, shows that you are taking the conversation aside, replacing one with the other.


                  Oh really? Comrade, are you aware that in the Far East in the late 80s it was necessary to enter the organized criminal group - purely Slavic?
                  I’ve told you for what I myself saw - at the School of Olympic Reserve in us (in Khabarovsk) half were in bandits, half in OMON, it was then that they started to create it.
                  and scenes when a couple of nines stopped at the police department and the crowd in training (with broken ears) climbed to fraternize with riot policemen (with broken ears) - caused awe among the inhabitants - didn’t say anything?


                  Quote: Normal
                  The hoe is banditry, disgusting, scary, but just banditry. And the case in Pugachev is another manifestation of ethno-banditry. Ethnic banditry.


                  any gangsterism should be severely punished - ready to execute sentences, since I consider the death penalty to be a necessary and indispensable condition for compliance with the law.


                  Quote: Normal
                  Now, if you cite the example of Russian gangsterism in Chechnya, then this, as an example, would be correct. And so - a substitution.


                  Actually, you don’t need to ... but since such a booze has gone ...
                  I was charged with contract killings of a Caucasian "businessman".
                  I tried to run since I know the Ukrainian Themis from the inside, not well, they caught it.
                  As a result, I had to prove my innocence not only to the corrupt Ukrainian authorities, but also to one of the Caucasian diasporas ---- God forbid, someone should survive this.
                  From my own experience, what can I say - in the Ukrainian pre-trial detention center for the Slavs and the Caucasians, there are very ghostly prospects to stay alive (we take the bribes out of the brackets, since not only Caucasians in Ukraine have loot and connections), and the Caucasian and Slavs, I personally I recommend not to face the Ukrainian, corrupt Femina.
                  1. Normal
                    Normal 13 July 2013 02: 56 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Karlsonn
                    yeah, while the inhabitants of Moscow become fascists

                    Yeah, everyone knows that. If Russian, then Fafist. Especially in Moscow ...
                    Quote: Karlsonn
                    Slavic gangs are operating behind the Stone

                    when the Slavic organized crime groups will act in Chechnya and Dagestan then I will be calm. And behind the Stone, the Slavic organized crime groups are ordinary and normal. For decades, they were sent into exile and sent to hard labor. Try to scare me a Slavic organized crime group in Magadan. lol Not scary. The Caucasian EPGs in central Russia and Moscow are serious for me.
                    I can’t comment further because I don’t get the point in your posts. Quotes and answers to them seem to me not interconnected. Maybe he's just tired. Sleep...
      2. Cheloveck
        Cheloveck 12 July 2013 08: 44 New
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        Quote: Rustam
        Note that the people in Pugachev did not demand the rule of law, but the eviction of Chechens. That is, the requirement is absolutely illegal and impossible. Because tomorrow the crowd may demand that the redheads be evicted. Or blondes. Why not?

        But because not.
        We note in brackets that not a Russian was killed, but a Tatar, if something was done.
        1. Greyfox
          Greyfox 12 July 2013 08: 55 New
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          We note in brackets that not a Russian was killed, but a Tatar, if something was done.

          Russian Mom, Dad Tatar. Nationality has nothing to do with it. It’s just that normal people don’t want people who live next to them, with whom visiting Caucasians are strenuously exposing themselves. Once again I say, if they behaved like human beings, no one at the rally would have shouted “Evict”!
          1. Cheloveck
            Cheloveck 12 July 2013 09: 14 New
            +2
            Quote: Greyfox
            Mom is Russian, dad is Tatar. Nationality has nothing to do with it. Just normal people don’t want people who live next to them, with whom visiting Caucasians are strenuously exposing themselves.

            Here I am talking about too.
      3. 225chay
        225chay 12 July 2013 09: 10 New
        +5
        Quote: Rustam
        I will reveal the topic of how we are pitted with Kakaz.


        Setting Caucasians into Russian-speaking and vice versa is a far-reaching plan for drawing them into a big massacre or civil war. For some reason, the authorities are either on the drum, or tension and conflicts are beneficial
        1. Andrey from Tver
          Andrey from Tver 12 July 2013 09: 40 New
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          And the Caucasians themselves are glad to meet the Russian speakers. For some reason, there are no conflicts with the Chukchi, or with the Nanais, or with the Yakuts, or with the same Germans, Ukrainians, Belarusians. And conflicts with Caucasians every day, judging by the media reports. Yesterday in television news I saw how the deputy of the State. Duma Khudyakov spoke. Very revealingly, he conveyed the words of one of the Dagestanis: "you, deputies, need to be killed like dogs." Moreover, the Dagestan knew who was in front of him. And spitting in the police cell.
          Or here, in Tver, practically only Azerbaijanis sell alcohol at night. They are on the law ... these Rafiki understand everything in this case. But they behave as they want, do not respond to oral comments, they live mutually with the police. They also got to such an extent that adult men begin to decide how to deal with them, creatures. They themselves run into violent opposition from the local population.
          1. rus9875
            rus9875 12 July 2013 17: 23 New
            +2
            And is he wrong about the deputies? Especially from the LDPR?
        2. sashka
          sashka 12 July 2013 09: 44 New
          +3
          Quote: 225chay
          For some reason, the authorities are either on the drum, or tension and conflicts are beneficial

          Tension is always “profitable”. You show “power”. No matter how funny it sounds ..
        3. Black Colonel
          Black Colonel 12 July 2013 09: 49 New
          +2
          It is advantageous for bureaucrats in power to put a “bakshish” in their pocket, and do not care about the rest. For example, we come here, it’s possible to come here (citizens of one country still), but for some reason at the next elections in the district center they’ll “roll” the head of the district, but at the expense of the farmsteads (“new residents” of the region settle there) gaining the required number of votes. And while in power, the entire administrative resource is used.
      4. hrych
        hrych 12 July 2013 09: 16 New
        31
        When you condemn the demand for the eviction of Chechens, then remember how the Russians were evicted from Chechnya when tens of thousands were killed. We have democracy, when the majority determines who they want to live with and any of their demands is the law.
      5. Black Colonel
        Black Colonel 12 July 2013 09: 32 New
        10
        "... here we have to deal with them"
        It is necessary to deal with those who allowed it. And, as Grandfather Stalin once said, every violation has a name, surname and patronymic.
      6. Cyril7377
        Cyril7377 12 July 2013 10: 24 New
        -3
        You forgot to add in your statistics how many Russians killed Caucasians ...
      7. Avenger711
        Avenger711 12 July 2013 10: 25 New
        +2
        And who is to blame for the fact that they will be appointed, except for themselves? Moreover, they will not be appointed in court, but namely the people. It’s illegal to evict the Chechens, and therefore this is not officially in the document. When they begin to evict, they will manage without laws.

        Caucasians make up a small part of the population, of course the bulk of the crimes are not from them, but it can be calculated as a percentage and the numbers will not be proportional to the share in the population.
      8. vadimN
        vadimN 12 July 2013 12: 04 New
        +3
        Quote: Rustam
        38 of thousands of murders occurred last year - how many of them were Caucasians?


        Rustam, you can agree with your arguments, but there are a couple of points that prevent this step ...
        First: "... how we are pitted with Caucasians ...". Do not you think that Caucasians themselves are making great efforts to arouse hostility and even anger? "They want to live by their own laws, group by their own characteristics and treat Russia with contempt, with a sense of superiority and historical resentment, as well as a hunting field and a payer of tribute." (A. Epifantsev, APN). Is not it? There are a lot of examples of such behavior of Caucasians in everyday life.

        Second: "... 38 of thousands of murders occurred last year - how many of them were committed by Caucasians? ..." All our domestic criminal statistics are full of cunning for the sake of interethnic tolerance. But in vain, because the picture is completely distorted. It's all about the counting technique. If you need to get one result, apply one calculation method. We need another - we take a different calculation method. And both are faithful! It’s all about the statement of the problem! On the example of the current calculation methodology we are trying to prove that there is no ethnic crime, that crime is supranational. And I argue that this is not so, and applying a different calculation method, we will get very different results. You just have to count on the other hand! Not the national composition of the criminals in the total mass of crimes in a certain city N, but the number of criminals inside each national group living in the same city!

        And then you will see that, for example, out of 100 thousand people of the titular nation living in the city N, offenses are committed by 1 thousand, that is, 1%. And of the 5 thousands of migrants living in the same city, 250 people, that is, 5%, are involved in crimes.
        And here the cunning statistics begins to work! So, in the city committed 1250 offenses.
        According to statistics, “tolerant champions of internationalism”: Of the 1250 crimes, all 250 are committed by aliens, that is, only 20%! The bulk of crime is its own, homegrown! There is no ethnic crime!
        According to statistics, objective researchers: In the city of 100 thousand people titular nation. Of these crimes committed 1 thousand people. That is, 1% of people of the titular nation are prone to offenses. The newcomers committed 250 crimes. But there are a total of 5 thousand of them. That is, 5% of people of the new nation are prone to delinquency.

        So judge for yourself whether there is ethnic crime or not!
      9. Karlsonn
        Karlsonn 12 July 2013 18: 05 New
        0
        Rustam hi

        I also liked this Hardingush article. good
        I absolutely agree.
    2. MG42
      MG42 12 July 2013 11: 28 New
      +1
      Quote: Ragnarek
      in a German newspaper there is a photograph in which the Nazis from the UPA carry posters with Bandera, and below the signature in Pugachev, nationalism is gaining strength

      And you can upload a photo or a link to such "sensations", otherwise such a post does not look serious .. At least I try to do it ..
      1. Karlsonn
        Karlsonn 12 July 2013 19: 25 New
        +1
        Quote: MG42
        And you can upload a photo or a link to such "sensations", otherwise such a post does not look serious .. At least I try to do it ..


        This is a publication in the newspaper Die Welt, an article entitled "Russian nationalists hunt for everything foreign."

        there is one photo, from this wink
      2. Karlsonn
        Karlsonn 12 July 2013 19: 58 New
        +1
        Quote: MG42
        And you can upload a photo or a link to such "sensations", otherwise such a post does not look serious .. At least I try to do it ..


        Speech about this article

        http://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/article117884949/Russische-Nazis-machen-Jagd-
        auf-alles-Fremde.html
        1. MG42
          MG42 12 July 2013 20: 36 New
          +2
          Quote: Karlsonn
          Speech about this article

          Thank. Only in the photo, what are the Nazis from the UPA? What is written on his t-shirt? UPA flag red black after all?
          1. Thunderbolt
            Thunderbolt 12 July 2013 21: 41 New
            +2
            In the photo "Russian March." And I did not know that the UPA had red-black flags. I would see them on the street, I would take them for anarcho-syndicalists.
            1. MG42
              MG42 12 July 2013 22: 12 New
              +3
              Quote: Thunderbolt
              On the photo "Russian March"

              It turns out that the Fritzes from Die Welt weren’t printed at all by Ukrainians, as Comrade Ragnarek assured of this, and on his T-shirt he had the inscription << Russ .. >> they don’t look like ukronatsik at all ..,
              Quote: Ragnarek
              someone really wants to turn this situation upside down. in the German newspaper there is a photograph in which the Nazis from the UPA carry posters with Bandera, and below the signature in Pugachev, nationalism is gaining strength.

              And 29 more pluses crying .
              Quote: Thunderbolt
              And I did not know that the UPA has red-black flags.

              please Lviv march UPA
              1. Thunderbolt
                Thunderbolt 12 July 2013 22: 34 New
                +2
                As in the cartoon of the city of Pink Floyd, the "Wall" is walking. Here are now such "pioneers"
          2. Karlsonn
            Karlsonn 12 July 2013 23: 17 New
            +1
            Quote: MG42
            Thank. Only in the photo, what are the Nazis from the UPA?


            this is from the opera that armored vehicles were introduced in Pugachev.
  • Lech from ZATULINKI
    Lech from ZATULINKI 12 July 2013 07: 45 New
    41
    Let's imagine what will happen in Chechnya if someone from the Russian backwoods arrives there with knives and pistols and starts to quarrel with the locals because of the girl and then begins to kill in the mood — of course the reaction will be adequate.


    For the presence of a gun or knife in the hands of Caucasians somewhere in the Russian outback, it is NECESSARY to IMMEDIATELY IMMEDIATELY IN TURYAGA in full.
    1. Lech from ZATULINKI
      Lech from ZATULINKI 12 July 2013 07: 50 New
      14
      Unfortunately, this audience has this arsenal with them and in a quarrel take it off to be ready to be shot or stabbed at you.
    2. sasha.28blaga
      sasha.28blaga 12 July 2013 08: 32 New
      -12
      There are the same girls in Chechnya as in Russia, they want to go with you, they don’t want to go, and then there can be problems. A Chechen calls me to visit, he says everything as we have in the city, the same people, they also hate terrorists, etc.
      1. Rustam
        Rustam 12 July 2013 08: 54 New
        +3
        By the way, the guys have already traveled to Derbent (Dagestan) 3 times this year
        to visit friends, my name is also (I can’t work yet)

        had a great rest, hospitable and so on — they walked drunk at night along Derbent with crosses on their necks and Russia’s anti-terror shirts - without excesses

        and I’ll probably go in the winter as well, so the people there are 95% excellent, and horror stories like congresses there, and you’ll see that they’ll be taken into slavery

        just here is a second example- the guys recently returned from Shatoi district (this is Chechnya) with the locals saved in the same room (shared the curtain) and went to the exits and stood at the posts, and nothing, nobody tried to cut our heads at night, normal service
        1. Papakiko
          Papakiko 12 July 2013 12: 02 New
          +3
          Quote: Rustam
          just here is a second example- the guys recently returned from Shatoi district (this is Chechnya) with the locals saved in the same room (shared the curtain) and went to the exits and stood at the posts, and nothing, nobody tried to cut our heads at night, normal service

          This is probably due to the fact that they slept and vomited in shifts.
      2. vadimN
        vadimN 12 July 2013 12: 16 New
        +4
        Quote: sasha.28blaga
        A Chechen calls me to visit, he says everything as we have in the city, the same people,


        Ask your Chechen friend why his compatriots, as soon as they come to Russia, turn into arrogant, arrogant cattle, imagining themselves above all and spitting on the customs and laws of the land where they came from?
        1. mark7
          mark7 12 July 2013 19: 05 New
          +1
          I agree +++ but on my own, they allow it — as long as we allow them, any of us having to see something should not turn away and drive through and immediately respond at least with our presence, all the troubles of indifference
      3. Cyril7377
        Cyril7377 12 July 2013 14: 58 New
        +3
        Yes, and we’ve been talking about that day already - a Caucasian at home and a Caucasian at home, these are two big differences ... I regularly relax in Kislovodsk, I see Azerbaijanis who come from Baku, in the evening they are all dressed in costumes dancing, definitely white shirt and tie, but how do they care for women? It’s expensive to see ... why are their brothers here a blatant hamlo here in Russia? What happens to them, what kind of metamorphosis?
        1. alicante11
          alicante11 12 July 2013 15: 18 New
          +2
          It’s just that the most active people who don’t sit at home are coming to us (or vice versa they would sit, their legs are carried away). And these are rarely calm people. The Spaniards are also good people. But how did they carve the Indians? Because the scum left for America. And the USA is a good indicator too.
    3. domokl
      domokl 12 July 2013 08: 52 New
      +5
      Quote: Lech from ZATULINKI
      For the presence of a gun or knife in the hands of Caucasians somewhere in the Russian outback, it is NECESSARY to IMMEDIATELY IMMEDIATELY IN TURYAGA in full.

      There is an article for the presence of illegal weapons. All citizens of the Russian Federation have the right to have legal weapons, according to the Law. When you wrote, besides emotions, didn’t you try to include a thought? If the Caucasus is Russian, then Russians are citizens. They obey the laws of the Russian Federation. If they are foreigners, then, in your opinion, you need to separate the Caucasus.
      1. Papakiko
        Papakiko 12 July 2013 12: 07 New
        +1
        Quote: domokl
        There is an article for the presence of illegal weapons. All citizens of the Russian Federation have the right to have legal weapons, according to the Law.

        What are you writing !? belay
        True Zatulin wrote.
        It is in their mountains, let the "legal-illegal" graze with weapons.
        And we have either without or in prison.
        1. domokl
          domokl 12 July 2013 14: 32 New
          +1
          Quote: Papakiko
          It is in their mountains, let the "legal-illegal" graze with weapons.
          And we have either without or in prison.

          And if I’m not Caucasian, I live in Siberia accordingly and have weapons then I’m also in prison? And why did they give me permission, why did they pass laws on storage and other nonsense? Why did they eventually sell it? You’ll decide, the Caucasus is Russian land or do you advocate secession (I understand, for the collapse of Russia)?
          1. Papakiko
            Papakiko 12 July 2013 17: 52 New
            +1
            Quote: domokl
            I live in Siberia, respectively, and I have a weapon then I also go to prison

            Is your dubious reputation entrenched?
            Why do you need to rake jam and guano in one pile?
            Quote: domokl
            And why did they give me permission, why did they pass laws on storage and other nonsense? Why did they end up selling it?

            I hope you are at least remotely acquainted with our laws and understand when you "have the right" to use weapons and when the law will work against you.
    4. T80UM1
      T80UM1 12 July 2013 09: 28 New
      36
      I will tell from experience in Kazakhstan, the village Malovodnoe, Almaty region. Chechens and Kazakhs did not share something and got into a fight. Kazakh defeated him, the elder brother of a Chechen, caught a Kazakh in a jeep and wounded him in the leg. The next day, Kazakh relatives and his friends went directly to the Chechen family for proceedings. The Chechens started shooting at the crowd and killed 2 people, in response the crowd burned their house and killed the Chechen brothers. Kazakhstani justice simply drove this Chechen family out of the question - for it’s not ... good. Conclusion Russians (Russians) take an example from the Kazakhs and their authorities in the field of national politics !!!! Moreover, Kazakh students in Moscow began to beat Chechens. After that, not a single Caucasian in Kazakhstan shakes the law.
      1. IRBIS
        IRBIS 12 July 2013 09: 53 New
        +1
        Quote: T80UM1
        Chechens started shooting at the crowd and 2 people were killed, in response the crowd burned their house and killed the Chechen brothers. Kazakhstani justice simply kicked out this Chechen family, for nafig - because it’s not ... good. Conclusion Russians (Russians) take an example from the Kazakhs and their authorities in the field of national politics !!!!

        How not good to lie! Or do you think that there are no people on the site who know this story directly from the first hand? Who was expelled by “Kazakh justice”? Whom did Kazakh students begin to beat there? Comrade, you have come off reality. If you yourself believe in what you wrote - believe it. Just do not rave about it.
        And one more question. Russian families who came to Kaliningrad from Kazakhstan, who "drove nafig"? And where was the notorious "Kazakh" justice there?
        1. T80UM1
          T80UM1 12 July 2013 09: 58 New
          +3
          I probably live here and know what I'm saying, I say it as it is, cruelly - yes, uncivilized - yes, but now there is complete order. Tell me your version then, in Russia you know what’s going on in Almaty ... You can read about the low-water event on Wikipedia ... even there is scant data ... You can talk a lot about Kazakhstan justice, but the most important thing is that it’s nation ... I don’t know about Kaliningrad what you are talking about, so I won’t write.

          http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Казахско-чеченский_конфлик
          1. T80UM1
            T80UM1 12 July 2013 10: 30 New
            +3
            There is no answer ... for the future of IRBIS, in Kazakhstan they respect strength and disrespect bad behavior at a party, here Tajiks with Uzbeks are quieter than water below the grass, because the muzzle will be immediately filled or the police will close it. As for Russian families, it is very likely that this is so, my Kazakh acquaintance said at least one Russian word about Kazakhs will say bad, I have friends in the prosecutor's office who will quickly deport him to his historical homeland ... There is only one law in national relations, everything except Kazakhs are at a party, and guests behave decently, otherwise they are simply kicked out or killed. Even our president said: in an interview with leading journalists of Kazakhstan, Nursultan Nazarbayev said: “All Transcaucasians and other peoples should remember who sheltered them and be grateful to the Kazakh land”
            1. piter-tank
              piter-tank 12 July 2013 11: 03 New
              +3
              And those, "who sheltered them" remember with whose hands it was created where they all sheltered?
              1. T80UM1
                T80UM1 12 July 2013 11: 07 New
                +3
                I’m not going to defend anyone or to justify myself or to prove something, I’m just stating the facts that really exist, but the national policy itself is very correct for the Kazakhs, it needs to be adapted for Russia. All.
                1. IRBIS
                  IRBIS 12 July 2013 12: 47 New
                  0
                  Quote: T80UM1
                  national policy itself is very correct for the Kazakhs, it must be adapted for Russia. Everything.

                  For Russia, this is absolutely unacceptable. We have many national districts and other entities. And if the laws of the titular nation act in each, then this will be the beginning of the end.
                  1. T80UM1
                    T80UM1 12 July 2013 13: 21 New
                    +1
                    Well, if it’s unacceptable then, endure ... Or change the constitution from a federation to a unitary country ... and there are no problems with multinationality ... What is the problem? Absolutely everyone can not be happy, but you need to do something, and not indulge in lawlessness (someone can cut and evade responsibility and someone not).
              2. Alibekulu
                Alibekulu 13 July 2013 12: 09 New
                +3
                Quote: piter-tank
                And those who “sheltered them” remember, with whose hands they created where they all sheltered?
                We remember everything ..
                And the lands taken from the Kazakhs, and the death of almost half of the Kazakhs in the 30's, and the Semipalatinsk test site and the fact that in our land we have become a minority .. And much more. But, the Kazakhs do not dwell on this and recall this when you start .. But do you remember this ??
            2. Gur
              Gur 12 July 2013 11: 37 New
              +1
              It’s interesting, but can the reverse situation happen or not, when the Kazakh speaks badly about Russians (or others), what will the Kazakh justice do with it? And are those guests who raised the country good and, in cases of discontent, deported to their historical homeland? (And equality and brotherhood are flourishing in our country) Although most of the "guests" voluntarily are deported to their historical homeland year after year.
              1. T80UM1
                T80UM1 12 July 2013 11: 44 New
                +3
                Exactly, but that's another story unfortunately. At one time, the Russian Federation had a chance to keep KZ in the union, but the famous alcoholic fight sabotaged this event in 91 and 93. Now we are reaping the fruits of independence. What equality and fraternity))) I myself am not Kazakh and not Russian, but even I feel who the "Master of the country" is))))
                1. Hleb
                  Hleb 12 July 2013 13: 10 New
                  +1
                  but the famous alcoholic fight sabotaged this event in 91 and 93. Now we are reaping the fruits of independence
                  yeah! that’s why Nazarbayev went down in history as a person who led to the independence of Kazakhstan. And so every day we hear: Independence is the most sacred value for all Kazakhstanis
                  Kazakhstan will quit any union that would infringe on the country's independence
                  and Independence Day is celebrated (probably from Russia).
                  in this case, thank alcohol fight, for giving independence to Kazakhstan, not Abishevich
                  1. T80UM1
                    T80UM1 12 July 2013 13: 15 New
                    +2
                    Maybe for you propaganda means something, but in fact, as my history teacher said, at first no one wanted to be independent, and then I liked it :)
                    1. Hleb
                      Hleb 12 July 2013 13: 32 New
                      -1
                      if for you the opinion of the Kazakhs is propaganda, then it’s clear ...
                      they didn’t want independence, well, they directly persuaded us to fight, don’t kick us out, we asked.
                      1. T80UM1
                        T80UM1 12 July 2013 13: 38 New
                        +1
                        I’ll repeat once again, highlighting in quotation marks: “at first everyone did not know what to do with this independence, and then they liked it.” If you want, you can think that propaganda is right. The only thing I don’t understand is the behavior of Russia with Yeltsin at the head.
                      2. Hleb
                        Hleb 12 July 2013 13: 44 New
                        -2
                        Well, Yeltsin’s behavior is not understandable to many. Nevertheless, even so:"at first everyone did not know what to do with this independence, and then I liked it"
                        but who is stopping today, having realized, to thank the Kazakhs Yeltsin? then they thank Abishevich
                      3. T80UM1
                        T80UM1 12 July 2013 14: 02 New
                        +2
                        And what to thank him then? Everything about him is either neutral, or with contempt, drunks, traitors and wimps, no one likes. I will honestly tell Abishevich thank you only for the fact that there is peace in the republic and everyone can live and work, but not for independence.
          2. Alibekulu
            Alibekulu 13 July 2013 12: 42 New
            +3
            T80UM1: at least one Russian word about Kazakhs will say bad, I have friends in the prosecutor's office who will quickly deport him to his historical homeland ...

            You, another thread drunk bazaar, give an example fool Give facts, not someone's show off
            here the Tajiks with the Uzbeks are quieter than the water below the grass
            In fact, they behave everywhere like that .. At least the majority ..
            Quote: GUR
            And are such guests who raised the country good, and in cases of discontent, are deported to their historical homeland?
            Gur и T80, give specific examples, where, when and which Russian was deported for a bad word about the Kazakhs ?? Now, if you openly and implicitly "defend", how will you respond ??
            Quote: GUR
            most of the “guests” voluntarily “deported” to their historical homeland year after year
            Ah, this is that nonsense. What does "you" all somehow do not end ?? request
            TM80: I feel who the "master of the country" is))))
            It may be enough to build yourself up as "humiliated and insulted" .. You yourself set yourself up for negativity .. See "black" where it is not .. stop Ah, there are plenty of idiots everywhere .. I’m Kazakh and I’m far from ecstatic about such a "host country" .. And, also, the majority of Kazakhs .. So, don’t have to "shag grandma" ..
        2. IRBIS
          IRBIS 12 July 2013 12: 30 New
          0
          Quote: T80UM1
          No answer..

          Well why. Very much there.
          Quote: T80UM1
          Here in national relations there is only one law, everyone except the Kazakhs is away, and the guests behave decently, otherwise they are simply kicked out or killed.

          And who sets the framework for “decent” behavior? Wolf law in Kazakhstan. Because it is selective and applies only to "non-Kazakhs." And leave your "king "’s speeches to yourself. Everything that you use there now was built by the labor of the Soviet people, including Caucasians.
          1. T80UM1
            T80UM1 12 July 2013 13: 08 New
            +1
            The framework of decent behavior is simple, everyone behaves well, if someone does not behave well, he gets nuts. Including such as you rockers IRBIS rights. Only Kazakhs can download rights, since this is their country. Wolf law for you living in even less liberal Russia, in Uzbekistan we are even worse for them the standard of freedom and justice, everything is relative, so it's not for you to judge. We don’t have a “king” but a “sultan” or a khan, you will hear the trills of your putler so everything is fine and there are no problems on national grounds ... Nevertheless, similar topics appear. So who is right and who is not right to judge history. All that we use there is really built by the Soviet people, but who ruined the Soviet Union? To that, claims and the local people don’t give a damn who built it, they use it and everyone, and whoever begins to download the rights about what they’ve built, give or kick them out, now the laws have changed, unfortunately. Regarding gratitude to the builders and other things, write complaints to Gorbachev and Yeltsin. Not Kazakhstan was the initiator of the collapse, but since it happened and you do nothing to restore the union, you must first figure out at home and put things in order before putting anyone in charge. I just shared an opinion like ours. I see what is happening with you and I do not agree with this.
            1. IRBIS
              IRBIS 12 July 2013 13: 54 New
              -3
              Quote: T80UM1
              Including such as you rockers IRBIS rights.

              I did not go over to personality, mind you. But you allow yourself that. Well, oh well, for the Kazakh it’s excusable.
              Kazakhstan for the Kazakhs is a road to nowhere. When it smells fried, where will these same Kazakhs break? But it smells already. Has your "sultan" created the "standard of freedom"? We will look at its development. And the lack of "gratitude" to the builders is really a truly Kazakh national feature, here you did not surprise me. And they didn’t surprise anyone.
              1. T80UM1
                T80UM1 12 July 2013 14: 14 New
                +2
                You really didn’t get personal, but where did such aggression come from in my country? Is it possible to simply take into account what norms and laws are there? No, it is necessary to pry and pull out the minuses of the country ... Have you emigrated from here? I am not Kazakh. And not a Muslim. And it’s unforgivable for you, unless you are offended by something here. Kazakhstan does not proclaim Kazakhstan for Kazakhs - thank God for your sick fantasy, otherwise I would live in Vladivostok. There is some discrimination, but in Russia it also exists. The only thing that happens when someone begins to go too far and put themselves (their nation) above the Kazakhs is severely punished. All. What did you find offensive here? Is this the right of the owner in his own house is not it? Despite the fact that I was born in the KZ, I am grateful that at one time the Kazakhs sheltered my people, repressed by the Soviet government, by the way. But I admit that they are the masters of the country, this is their country, and I am a guest in it. Russia's problem is that you, with your tolerance, cannot explain this simple idea to those citizens who are not at home.
        3. Hleb
          Hleb 12 July 2013 13: 01 New
          0
          all except Kazakhs away
          in this case, you call Kazakhs Kazakhs?
          1. T80UM1
            T80UM1 12 July 2013 13: 14 New
            -1
            no, in this context, Kazakhs are a nation, and Kazakhstanis are all citizens of Kazakhstan
            1. Hleb
              Hleb 12 July 2013 13: 34 New
              +1
              there are adequate guys from Kazakhstan-Kazakhs. I did not hear from them that they considered non-Kazakhs born and living in the republic as guests.
              1. T80UM1
                T80UM1 12 July 2013 13: 47 New
                0
                :) Many of the guys from Kazakhstan who write here firstly are Russian, and secondly, nobody will tell you this while you behave yourself, but if someone starts behaving indecently (great-power chauvinism) then alas, you can hear a lot about yourself up to (country station suitcase)
                1. Hleb
                  Hleb 12 July 2013 13: 53 New
                  +1
                  yeah okay) i'm from SKO myself
                  1. T80UM1
                    T80UM1 12 July 2013 14: 17 New
                    0
                    Well, if from SKO (Hi Petropavlovsk) then then probably it is not worth explaining about Shymkent? )))
                  2. Hleb
                    Hleb 12 July 2013 14: 24 New
                    0
                    Well, I think soon another article about Kazakhstan will appear, there you can talk
              2. Alibekulu
                Alibekulu 13 July 2013 13: 14 New
                +2
                Quote: T80UM1
                :) Many of the guys from Kazakhstan who write here are first Russian
                By the way, there are more of them, Russian Kazakhstanis on the “VO”, than the Kazakhs themselves ..
                Quote: T80UM1
                alas, you can hear a lot in your address up to (country station suitcase)
                Duc fool they themselves begin to vilify Kazakhstan and the Kazakhs. Named and "crap" how much in vain .. Kazakhs that must endure and silently wipe ?? The Kazakhs have the sacred "suitcase, station, country", only a response to the frantic "srach" in the direction of Kazakhstan .. I, I think, anybody will have such a reaction - be he Russian, Ukrainian or citizen of Uzbekistan ..
                And, such as inadequate as ia-ai00 always ready to say these words ..
                Gleb: adequate guys from Kazakhstan are Kazakhs. I did not hear from them that they considered non-Kazakhs born and living in the republic as guests.
                Keyword - adequate And most of these Kazakhs. You often make up an opinion about the Kazakhs for individual "gorlopans" (although there are many of them).
                R.S: And, about the "guests", by and large, you are setting yourself up ..
    5. Lakkuchu
      Lakkuchu 12 July 2013 12: 37 New
      +4
      Quote: T80UM1
      You can talk a lot about Kazakhstan justice, but most importantly it is on the side of the indigenous nation ...

      In a state of law, justice cannot be on the side of indigenous or non-indigenous; it should only be on the side law. All citizens of the country, regardless of nationality, should be equal before the law. From your words, it turns out that in Kazakhstan there is an infringement of rights on a national basis.
      1. T80UM1
        T80UM1 12 July 2013 12: 55 New
        +3
        So be it, all of you, too, would like to infringe on the rights of especially insolent representatives of a non-ethnic nation, right?
  • Alibekulu
    Alibekulu 13 July 2013 11: 59 New
    +3
    Quote: IRBIS
    How not good to lie! Or do you think that there are no people on the site who know this story directly from the first hand?
    Here's the video:
    Quote: IRBIS
    And one more question. Russian families who came to Kaliningrad from Kazakhstan, who "drove nafig"?
    These are their "tales" in the style of a "standard Negro expression of discrimination in relation to them: - This is because I am black! (If they sent a fuck with some company, they didn’t hire them because of stupidity).
    1. Alibekulu
      Alibekulu 13 July 2013 13: 51 New
      +3
      Here is another video:
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  • Dober
    Dober 12 July 2013 11: 05 New
    +1
    Quote: T80UM1
    Kazakhstani justice simply drove this Chechen family out of the question - for it’s not ... good. Conclusion Russians (Russians) take an example from the Kazakhs and their authorities in the field of national politics !!!!

    Already done, dear! There, in Pugachev.
    The shortage of the male population in the Saratov region is compensated by foreigners. This aspect is provided for in the concept of the migration policy of the region until 2025, said the Minister of Employment, Labor and Migration Natalia Sokolova.

    At a meeting of the Commission on Migration Policy, she said that due to the disproportion of the population after 30 years, the number of women is 30,3% more than the number of men. Regional authorities intend to compensate for this imbalance at the expense of migrants.

    According to Sokolova, according to the concept, a foreign citizen who needs the region is as follows: “At a working age, with education and experience in the specialty, with a level of knowledge of the Russian language not lower than average, ready to accept the cultural traditions of the Russian peoples, consisting of legal marriage, if single, then male, which is associated with gender imbalances. This will stimulate population growth in the region, ”she said.

    Quote: T80UM1
    I will tell from experience in Kazakhstan

    I’ll tell you from my cousin’s stories.
    In the 90th year he was "distributed" to Germany, to the German group of forces. You understand that they didn’t take anyone there. With criminal records, with poor characteristics, they were not sent there. So two Chechens got into the car with him. "The best and most positive of the entire USSR!" a couple of days later, somewhere on the territory of the Belorussian SSR, these abreks bit to pieces among themselves, one grabbed a knife from the table (dagger / scalpel ....) and "painted" another several holes. And the first one was IN THE EYE !!!. At the nearest station both are home. One in the box, the second in the bracelets. Chichi did not reach the "Western Civilization" ...
  • T80UM1
    T80UM1 12 July 2013 09: 40 New
    +8
    And one more example with the Turks in the Tengiz (west KZ). the foreign campaign hired Turkish workers, they began to fuck out on the spot .., disrespect local customs to rape girls, and boast about it. In response, the Kazakh workers locked up the dining room for lunch, and the crowd beat all the Turks (one of the shovels was shoved into the anus). After that, the company deported all foreign workers to their homeland ... The Turkish prime minister even flew in to hush up the scandal. As a result, the titular nation won and defended its dignity, which I advise you Russians in Russia!
    1. piter-tank
      piter-tank 12 July 2013 11: 06 New
      +3
      I read your next post and realized that there is no justice in Kazakhstan in principle. The principles of the Lynch Court dominate. And the custom of "blood feud" is still legalized?
      1. T80UM1
        T80UM1 12 July 2013 11: 11 New
        +2
        So I was not going to say that we have everything in chocolate))) I just say that there is everything. It’s up to me to judge whether it’s right or not, I just live with it. But for the peoples who live here the very thing! It may be different in St. Petersburg, but here it is.

        For the future, think first then minus.
        1. piter-tank
          piter-tank 12 July 2013 11: 27 New
          0
          I always think well before I do anything (the profession requires). And as in St. Petersburg, I don’t know either - I am from Siberia.
      2. rapid1934
        rapid1934 12 July 2013 11: 48 New
        +3
        Kazakhs are a very calm people, but if they are humiliated, the answer is quick and tough. Many years ago, Chechens tried to show their "strength" in V. Baskunchak. Received a quick and tough rebuff from the Kazakhs. Now the Chechens there do not even bother.
    2. Uncle
      Uncle 12 July 2013 16: 23 New
      0
      Quote: T80UM1
      As a result, the titular nation won and defended its dignity, which I advise you Russians in Russia!

      In Moscow, there is the StopHam movement, they are in conflict with different Haml, including the Kavzaz. Everything for a camcorder and voice recorder. They talk intelligently, but if some erysipelas crawls into the goby, our strong guys quickly drive them under the bench. So the emergence of civic consciousness is evident.
  • Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 12 July 2013 11: 43 New
    +4
    Quote: Lech from ZATULINKI
    Let's imagine what will happen in Chechnya
    Why imagine where the matches are with “Terek”? They catch the players, go into the locker rooms. And the last example is very revealing. When R. Kadyrov spat out all his intellect through the loudspeaker to the referee of the match. And this is the leader of the nation. He gave a worthy example to his It’s especially significant what happened next: first they found some “switchman” (they say he ran up and shouted in the heat of the moment), and then the president or who he was there now confessed ... That's all culture, that's all courage and that's all THIS is projected onto our cities, where outright chaos receives popular resistance.
    1. Drosselmeyer
      Drosselmeyer 12 July 2013 15: 07 New
      +3
      Which Kadyrov is the leader of the nation? He is the leader of his clan, which rose with Russian money under the "roof" of Vladimir Putin. Stop Russia now throwing billions into the Chechen furnace and its own tribesmen will crush this “leader” at a time.
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 12 July 2013 21: 26 New
        0
        Who is now the main in Chechnya, who controls and sets the tone, who show political loyalty? He. That's all.
  • Karlsonn
    Karlsonn 12 July 2013 23: 24 New
    +1
    Quote: Lech from ZATULINKI
    Let's imagine what will happen in Chechnya if someone from the Russian backwoods arrives there with knives and pistols and starts to quarrel with the locals because of the girl and then begins to kill in the mood — of course the reaction will be adequate.


    I’m aware, from personal experience, that with the peoples of the Far North - you really can’t drink together.
    By mat.models. I had a teacher - a Chechen, there was the first war, and when the group recognized her nationality - there was a buzz.
    I was ashamed of the Ukrainians and Russians in my group.
    Once upon a time exactly the same Slavs were recorded as second-class people.


    Quote: Lech from ZATULINKI
    For the presence of a gun or knife in the hands of Caucasians somewhere in the Russian outback, it is NECESSARY to IMMEDIATELY IMMEDIATELY IN TURYAGA in full.


    and if there is a screwdriver in your pocket?
    As a trained person, I will certainly choose a kitchen knife and a knife, but I’m not bad at handling a screwdriver.

    Maybe right away, like the fascists, we can stick decals on their clothes?
    I just know the Chechens and fair-eyed and fair-haired - how to deal with them?
  • Dimy4
    Dimy4 12 July 2013 07: 46 New
    25
    People are sickened when the newcomers to the south behave like elephants in a china shop. They will bicker and will not answer for anything, because local police officers, together with the authorities, are simply afraid of them. This abscess on the body of our society has been ripening for a very long time, and in my opinion the events in Pugachev are not the first signals to those in power that the situation is very hot.
    1. Rustam
      Rustam 12 July 2013 09: 18 New
      +2
      this is not the first signaling to those in power that the situation is very hot
      _________

      which way out? disperse all and leave one nation -Russia for Russian al how?
      Yes, the authorities have questions and employers too, but still


      Here is a photo map of the Russian Federation - national republics and autonomous okrugs
      1. Dimy4
        Dimy4 12 July 2013 09: 40 New
        +8
        One way out - the law is one for ALL.
      2. Cheloveck
        Cheloveck 12 July 2013 09: 59 New
        +8
        Quote: Rustam
        which way out? to disperse everyone and leave one nation -Russia for Russians al how? Yes to the authorities there are questions and employers too, but all the same photo-map of the Russian Federation-national republics and autonomous okrugs

        Well, I live in the Komi District, so what?
        Komi, Russians, Tatars, Germans, Estonians, Udmurts live nearby, some are indigenous, some were evicted at one time, some just arrived, there are no problems between us, this is our land regardless of nation.
        But with those who have come from the North Caucasus, problems have a place to be everywhere, including and with us.

        If you brought a map in order to show that the Russians are such bastards that "they are driving everyone", then you, excuse me, are a big provocateur.
        1. grafrozow
          grafrozow 12 July 2013 10: 53 New
          +3
          It is exactly the same with us, in the Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous Okrug. You will not see Caucasians at a construction site, they will only trade, steal, and tax.
        2. Matroskin
          Matroskin 12 July 2013 12: 02 New
          11
          He himself lived at the time in Vorkuta. In the so-called ,, Shanghai, district in the city. Most Tatars lived there. So far, only good memories have remained. They lived normally, without any troubles on national soil. Young people had fun in cases of conflict as elsewhere. They beat their noses to each other in all combinations: Russian Tatars, Russian Tatars, Russian Russians, Tatars Tatars. smile But never I didn’t even mention nationality. And I especially remembered. If two Tartars spoke their native language and someone else approached, they immediately switched to Russian. When I asked my friend, a Tatar, he asked: "What is it?" was the answer: "What would you know what they are talking about, that they do not insult and do not discuss you, but simply talk." For which I still respect them, unlike my fellow citizens from the Caucasus, I look at you, tweet in my own way, laugh, and you think about you or you told him a joke. It seems a trifle but significant.
      3. hrych
        hrych 12 July 2013 10: 06 New
        +9
        At least something is drawn on the map, but even in Tatarstan, where the largest Russian people live after the Russians, half of the Russians have problems with the cultural community, but there is no massacre. Moreover, at the hands of the degenerate, the Tatar died and society did not regard him as a stranger. The problems are only with the North Caucasians, but this does not mean that Russia will leave the Caucasus, if you want to laugh, you don’t want to, but rather the Vainakhs and others like them will have to drape from the Caucasus. This was already in the time of Ermolov, dumber under Stalin, when they were placed inside the country, and history has a mockery of repeating itself. We must try to make the Russians brutal, but when this happens, our bootman tramples the streets of Berlin, Paris, etc. The war is already underway in the Caucasus, a big war is being picked up, and local potential laborers, even according to the laws of war and sociology, are being cleaned up.
        1. Rustam
          Rustam 12 July 2013 11: 16 New
          +3
          Cheloveck
          Sorry, you’re a big provocateur.
          ___________

          Thank you for the kind words addressed to me, I earned probably, well, okay

          That's why I speak little on the topic of national feuds, because the emotions of most of them are seething and are above the mind, I repeat this is a very difficult topic (as it seems at first glance)

          Why I posted this card in our country is inhabited by 150 nations and nationalities, naturally, it is clear to everyone that the Russian nation is city-forming.

          My nation is the second in Russia after the Russian, I was born here (among the Russians), grew up and am going to die, and I will fight for this country and its borders until the last

          -Now the problem is the Caucasus and Asia (more or less) if you separate the Caucasus and enclose it with a fence as some suggest that the Wahhabis, Saudis and other heresies would rejoice, rejoice at the west which, since the time of the English Empire, wanted to separate this region from us.
          Then why the heck we fought there and continue to fight there, the guys go on business trips, they die, why then all these victims, it is better to leave everything and everything and fence around (why then I and my guys went there on business trips and are now going for what? ) and from here to expel everyone as some clever people suggest to their historical homeland.


          I say the question is complex and not on one topic, the situation was kicked out by the Caucasians right away, I doubt. Last year, Russia totally totaled 2,3 million.
          crimes.

          Let’s say the Caucasians were expelled, crime doesn’t decrease, the situation doesn’t improve, who is to blame for all the troubles now (it’s like the Germans blamed the Jews for all troubles in the 30th and committed genocide)

          I have a different faith, and slightly different customs and holidays are different and my hair is dark, and tomorrow someone will tell me that for me and my nation, for example, the Russian suffers (I do not exclude this option) and then what should I do to go there to my historical homeland, if I was born here and my fathers and grandfathers also grew up here and great-grandfathers.

          that’s why I posted this map, why I try not to speak here on these complex topics.
          1. Flooding
            Flooding 12 July 2013 12: 36 New
            +1
            Quote: Rustam
            Naturally, everyone understands that the Russian nation is city-forming.

            Rustam, let me disagree with you. I don’t know what the term “city-forming” is for an ethnic group.
            But the Russian nation was, is and I hope will remain state-forming.
          2. Papakiko
            Papakiko 12 July 2013 12: 42 New
            0
            Quote: Rustam
            Let’s say the Caucasians were expelled, crime doesn’t decrease, the situation doesn’t improve, who is to blame for all the troubles now (it’s like the Germans blamed the Jews for all troubles in the 30th and committed genocide)

            A very unfortunate example and an attempt to bring Jews here.
            it is the Jews who scream in all sewer pipes with their KALAKOST, and only the Jews have a proper name for the GENOCIDE.
            And only Kalakostom with victims in the region of 4000000 people completely shut their eyes to the victims of the USSR with 40 million people.
            1. Cyril7377
              Cyril7377 12 July 2013 15: 13 New
              0
              Victims during the Holocaust are greatly exaggerated, but studies on this taboo subject, for which they are imprisoned in Europe, a number of learned historians were really persecuted
          3. Cheloveck
            Cheloveck 12 July 2013 12: 53 New
            +2
            Quote: Rustam
            I have a different faith, and slightly different customs and holidays are different and my hair is dark, and tomorrow someone will tell me that for me and my nation, for example, the Russian suffers (I do not exclude this option) and then what should I do to go there to my historical homeland, if I was born here and my fathers and grandfathers also grew up here and great-grandfathers.

            And what, what is another faith, dark hair, their customs and holidays?
            I myself am now gray-haired, but one of my daughter has dark hair and black eyes, how does she differ from you in this?
            Well, I’m an unbeliever, however, forgive me, I’m on the drum for someone who’s going crazy, if this does not threaten anyone’s safety.
            I also respect the customs of any people, if they are not imposed on me.
            As for the holidays, I will be happy to take part in your holidays and invite you to my own.
            Feel the difference in mood.
      4. baltika-18
        baltika-18 12 July 2013 12: 14 New
        0
        Quote: Rustam
        Here is a photo map of the Russian Federation - national republics and autonomous okrugs

        And what do these districts and republics mean to me?
        There are 111 million Russians in Russia. This is RUSSIA, not Russia.
        And the division is already purely administrative and economic.
      5. Papakiko
        Papakiko 12 July 2013 12: 23 New
        0
        Quote: Rustam
        Here is a photo map of the Russian Federation - national republics and autonomous okrugs

        And many Jews in Birobidzhan live and surroundings? laughing
        1. Greyfox
          Greyfox 12 July 2013 13: 33 New
          +3
          Quote: Rustam
          My nation is the second in Russia after the Russian, I was born here (among the Russians), grew up and am going to die, and I will fight for this country and its borders until the last

          Rustam, as I understand it, you are a Tatar. Now admit honestly, did you experience any infringement when communicating with the Russians? Or traveling outside Tatarstan (if you live there)? In my region, both Tatar villages and the Mari and Chuvash villages have never heard of feuds on ethnic grounds with them. But about immigrants from the Caucasus all the time. And I have repeatedly heard from the Tatars that "Caucasians are no brothers to us. We will always support Russians in a conflict." And the map with the colored highlighting of the national republics does not mean at all that legal repressions against the coastless criminal savage will ruin Russia. In my opinion, even the opposite ....
          1. Rustam
            Rustam 13 July 2013 23: 11 New
            +1
            Greyfox (3) Yesterday, 13:33
            Rustam, as I understand it, you are a Tatar. Now admit honestly, did you experience any infringement when communicating with the Russians?


            Insults? wink I was born and raised in Moscow (both parents and grandfathers, too, their mother calls them national and savages), 95% of my friends and colleagues are Russian, I don’t know my native language, I was probably in the 5th grade at school when studying Tatar-Mongolian yoke, ito in the form of jokes from two sides

            I repeat, I do not defend Caucasians, I tried to give an objective assessment, because there are a lot of provocateurs, and they know how to find extreme ones, like the example of the murder of a Russian chess player from Yakutia indiscriminately.

            it’s just that we can lose the country within its borders — that’s what bothers me, and yet you also have to be objective and look at the situation from different angles.
  • deman73
    deman73 12 July 2013 07: 48 New
    +7
    it would be better if the Pugachevites themselves would unsubscribe about the events in their city and tell us about everything
    1. Very old
      Very old 12 July 2013 08: 56 New
      +3
      Dmitry, and you’ll scroll through the video again, on which you will hear the MOTHER'S VOICE of the murdered Ruslan
  • vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 12 July 2013 07: 51 New
    +9
    The article talks about one thing; comments come down to a completely different one. Or people forgot how to read, or they are elementary zombies
    1. My address
      My address 12 July 2013 08: 00 New
      +6
      You are right, Vladimir.
      But they got their "mentality", lack of culture simply put.
      1. vladsolo56
        vladsolo56 12 July 2013 08: 06 New
        14
        You know, where I live, there are almost no Caucasians, at least they are not noticeable, but the lack of culture, or even more precisely local ones, is already beginning to enrage me personally, not only annoying
        1. MilaPhone
          MilaPhone 12 July 2013 08: 19 New
          +6
          Indeed, it is very sad that people were forced to go out only by the fact that the criminal had a different nationality.
          If everyone were Russian, everyone would be on the drum. And the incident would go unnoticed.
          1. domokl
            domokl 12 July 2013 08: 57 New
            +6
            Quote: Milafon
            Indeed, it is very sad that people were forced to go out only by the fact that the criminal had a different nationality.

            Have you carefully read the article? Especially in terms of requirements? People went out into the street because they did not trust the authorities. It was the authorities, represented by the local police department. And the requirements were specifically for the police department. There was not a single demand for specifically Chechens.
            So the question of nationality was raised just by the enemies. We need to be afraid of each other, not to understand and punish stupidly.
            1. MilaPhone
              MilaPhone 12 July 2013 09: 14 New
              +3
              Quote: domokl
              Have you carefully read the article? Especially in terms of requirements? People went out into the street because they did not trust the authorities. It was the authorities, represented by the local police department. And the requirements were specifically for the police department. There was not a single demand for specifically Chechens.

              Yes, carefully. As far as I know, there was a rally in Pugachev on Tuesday where the main demand was to evict all Chechens. An attempt to reassure local residents of the head of the Pugachev region S. Sidorov was unsuccessful: a bottle of water was poured over his head during his speech.

              Quote: domokl
              So the question of nationality was raised just by the enemies. We need to be afraid of each other, not to understand and punish stupidly.

              This is what bothers me the most. The lack of internal unity is a huge trump card to external enemies!
              1. domokl
                domokl 12 July 2013 09: 28 New
                +2
                Quote: Milafon
                This is what bothers me the most. The lack of internal unity is a huge trump card to external enemies!

                I carefully read the comments and did not see ANYTHING where it was said that the perpetrator should be punished according to the LAW. I saw hatred of Caucasians, distrust of the authorities, rejection of someone else’s way of thinking, but I repeat, NO ONE comment about the Law!
                What unity can we talk about now when the people have ceased to perceive normal life for something natural? When is the one who has more rights (some kind of crust) or who has a gun?
                Speeches of the people is a consequence of the weakness of power in specific regions, cities, towns. And maybe the weaknesses of power in general in the state.
                1. Cheloveck
                  Cheloveck 12 July 2013 10: 02 New
                  +4
                  Quote: domokl
                  I carefully read the comments and did not see ANYTHING where it was said that the perpetrator should be punished according to the LAW. I saw hatred of Caucasians, distrust of the authorities, rejection of someone else’s way of thinking, but I repeat, NO ONE comment about the Law!

                  Do we have a LAW? belay
                  For whom?
                  And from whom?
                2. Dober
                  Dober 12 July 2013 11: 31 New
                  +1
                  Quote: domokl
                  I didn’t see ANYTHING where it was said that the guilty person should be punished according to the LAW. I saw hatred of Caucasians, distrust of the authorities, rejection of someone else’s way of thinking, but I repeat, NO ONE koment about the Law!

                  Meanwhile, Said-Akhmed Elesov, a representative of Chechnya in the Volga region, made a loud statement. He said that the "instigators of rebellion" in Pugachevo "pending criminal prosecution" / apparently the whole city will be closed under article 282 /. At the same time, Elesov clarified that all Chechen youth was removed from Pugachev.

                  That’s where the call for "the triumph of the law." The fact that Russian civil society rose, showed its rights, began to protect them - we can only welcome it. But why does the state not hear civil society before the tragedy occurs? It turns out that human life here is a trigger. So it was in Kondopoga, and many more where else. A huge question for the state: where was it before?
                  Representatives of the Chechen diaspora leave the city of Pugachev, Saratov Region, where riots have been going on for several days. This is due to the fact that in addition to local residents, people from other cities go to fight with Chechens. This was reported July 9 km.ru with reference to the Dozhd channel Saratov media.

                  According to Anton Naumluk, representative of the Version-Saratov news agency, Chechens either leave in a hurry or do not appear on the street unless absolutely necessary. At the same time, the head of the nationalist association “Russian Party” on the VKontakte social network said that on July 11 a “national gathering” was being prepared in Pugachev, called, according to him, “to cleanse the earth from filth.”

                  Earlier, on Monday evening, about 100 indignant citizens went to the Halal cafe, popular among Chechens, and tried to set fire to the restaurant. However, the plan of the protesters remained unfulfilled - the police intervened in the conflict, no one was injured in the incident. At the same time, an even larger group of people marched towards the village of Turgenevka, where many people from the Caucasus live.

                  The murder in Pugachev and the Russian rebellion caused by him highlighted the rules for organizing life in Putin's Russia - real ones, not those that are told on Channel One. They can easily be expressed by the formula: “socially close” to the ruling kleptocracy are non-Russian ethnic corporations, and not the Russian majority. Both the illegitimate authorities of the Russian Federation, excluding themselves from all the rules, and those associated with the regime of ethnocorporation (both in the republics themselves and the “diaspora”) require for themselves a regime of exemptions from the “rules for the Russians” and successfully achieve special statuses and privileges.
                  1. domokl
                    domokl 12 July 2013 14: 37 New
                    0
                    Quote: Dober
                    That's where the call to the "triumph of the law"

                    25 again .. I have been talking about COMMENTS ... And you give me an article as an example.
                    1. Dober
                      Dober 12 July 2013 16: 07 New
                      +2
                      Quote: domokl
                      .I am a pmsal about COMMENTS

                      Well, COMMENTS is the expression of the thoughts and moods of different people. If you want, the attitude to the situation in the country and the implementation of laws. Reflection of reality.
                      The reaction of the people is adequate, they have a serious reason for speaking, even in utterances, even in actions. The Russian people are patient, peaceful and calm, and they do not need to be taught to live, especially on their land and especially with the help of investigative committees, delusional articles of type 282. This is the national policy of the authorities inadequate and suicidal - what kind of stability are they talking about if they import and separate foreigners. But it is necessary for external customers - to create conditions for an interethnic war throughout the territory of the Russian Federation - then the introduction of international troops, the withdrawal of nuclear weapons, the dismemberment of the territory. I generally do not believe that it is possible to negotiate with the authorities as independent in their decisions. They will not refuse such a national policy because it is dictated to them from the outside and they hang tightly on the hook because they are "embittered with love for money." They are now hoping that the participants will be gradually closed, the corrupt media will make the right picture and they need the image they want, and everything will continue. In vain they hope so - the situation has changed, it has reached the limit, the Russians have already realized that they are simply gradually becoming obsolete - and this is the party’s general line. Hypnosis of the media is certainly a powerful thing, but when a person personally encounters the tricks of foreigners then sobriety comes and you have to deal with it everywhere already.
                      And your comments seemed focused on the defense of the Caucasian savages. The same words that we hear from the media, but that run counter to cases in the country. Sincerely. hi
                3. I
                  I HAVE T 12 July 2013 11: 35 New
                  +2
                  I support. In such matters, the law should prevail, not emotions. Then there will be no soil for provocations.
          2. Avenger711
            Avenger711 12 July 2013 10: 18 New
            +1
            100% This same nationality has already got everyone.
          3. Dimy4
            Dimy4 12 July 2013 10: 34 New
            +3
            And therefore, they came out that they did not believe in our justice.
        2. O_RUS
          O_RUS 12 July 2013 08: 23 New
          +3
          Quote: vladsolo56
          You know, where I live, there are almost no Caucasians, at least they are not noticeable, but the lack of culture, or even more precisely local ones, is already beginning to enrage me personally, not only annoying


          if not a secret - where do you live?
          1. vladsolo56
            vladsolo56 12 July 2013 08: 28 New
            +1