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To retain power, Putin must clear it of liberals

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To retain power, Putin must clear it of liberals

They are, in fact, engaged in direct sabotage of his instructions.


“God brought the truth to the truth!” We often spoke this phrase in childhood, when, after some not entirely correct action of the opponent, for example, a hard challenge to an honestly missed goal, he unexpectedly quickly missed several more. Of course, God has nothing to do with the current situation, but somehow it reminds all of this.

But before turning to the main topic, we need to recall the main conflict of modern Russian politics. It lies in the tough contradiction of the government and the Central Bank to President Putin regarding the direction of the Russian economy. The government and the Central Bank categorically refuse to change the liberal principles of economic management, while Putin absolutely needs quite decent (at least 5% per year) growth. It is impossible to agree here, since liberal principles today can only give a recession.

It should be noted that Putin himself, apparently, still does not fully understand the entire antagonism of his relations with the Russian liberals, who control the government and the Central Bank (in particular, with Shuvalov and Nabiullina). Most likely, this is connected with the world outlook that I somehow developed in one of my speeches. There is such a concept that people look at the world from one of three positions: either the “warrior” or the “priest” or the “merchant”. This is precisely the point of view: the “warrior” should not fight at all, and the “merchant” should not trade. It is just that the “merchant” looks at the world from the point of view of money, while the priest is looking for sacred foundations in everything.

So, Putin, in his understanding of the “city and the world”, is most likely a “merchant”, and for this reason, he is looking for money as the driving force of any events and processes. Accordingly, he believes that those whom he gives to earn should be faithful to him. And they, in turn, have their own considerations: after all, these people largely appeared in power before Putin and earned their capital before him. They are sincerely convinced that they will remain after Putin; they know for sure that they receive American money, and Putin is only an optional intermediary. Finally, they feel the heavy pressure of the sacred power of the sole world superpower, and therefore they cannot count on their loyalty to Putin. The only trouble is that in order to understand this, you need to move to the position of "warrior" or "priest." It should be noted that Russia successfully managed only from these two positions. Stalin and Ivan the Terrible were “priests”, Peter I and Catherine II were “warriors”, and the “merchants” always had problems in Russia.

However, we are already moving away from the main theme, which is that the liberals, although they do not recognize Putin as a real leader, must reckon with reality and at least pretend that his instructions will be executed. Putin is demanding economic growth, and they promised him oath that this growth will be. There is only one problem: liberal growth cannot provide this growth. Moreover, they have already led to a real downturn in the economy.

At the first stage, the liberals tried to portray that this was not a recession, but simply a slowdown in growth; they began to devalue the ruble in order to support the economy (although they still did not compensate for it the losses associated with their own project of Russia's accession to the WTO), but nothing has yet come of it. We understand that this will not work, but it is difficult to prove it publicly, since the whole system of economic propaganda is in the hands of the liberals. The trouble with them, in fact, only one - it is the economy itself, which continues to fall.

And as it falls, optimistic statements by liberal government leaders addressed to Putin (which increasingly resemble expressions like “Well, have you gotten bogged down with your stupidities? Get off your message!”) Begin to be accompanied by leaks of real information about the state of the economy. The Utro.ru website, which, like RBC, belongs to the opposition president, but to Prokhorov, who sympathizes with government liberals, writes the following: “The Ministry of Economic Development officially recognized that the Russian economy is creeping into recession, and there is no way to reverse this trend. According to Deputy Head of the Ministry of Economic Development Andrei Klepach, the ministry lowered its forecast for GDP growth in 2013 from 3,6 to 2,4% on Thursday. It is noteworthy that such a significant reduction will occur when the oil prices are 105 dollars per barrel, which is higher than the budgeted 97 dollars per barrel. The reason for the sharp deterioration in the forecast, the deputy minister called almost zero export growth.

The next blow was data on capital outflow, which, according to Klepach, at the end of 2013, will be 30-35 billions of dollars (earlier in the official forecast of the Ministry of Economic Development, it was assumed that this figure would not exceed 10 billions of dollars). Up to 4,6%, the forecast for investment growth was lowered, which the deputy head of the ministry himself was forced to call low. The optimistic forecast for production growth for the current year was only 2%. Retail turnover growth, which has always acted as a growth locomotive, was downgraded from 5,6 to 4,3%. At the previous level, only the inflation forecast is maintained, which in 2013 will be 5,8%. ”

Speech by Klepach could mean that the authorities finally decided to stop driving people by the nose. Despite all the difficulties and problems, the Russian economy has not yet entered the recession, but it is only a matter of time. In this situation, it is better to make it clear to the public in advance that things are not going well in the economy, so as not to explain why the government overslept the recession again. ”

We note here that the Prokhorov website speaks about power in general, and not about his beloved government, but the main thing is different here: officials accepted the fact that a decline is inevitable in the country. They might have already recognized him (since everyone who deals with the real economy sees the state of affairs with the naked eye), but then the previous lies with the overstatement of economic growth will come to the surface, and the recession will be painfully fast. Here they are and "pull" in the fall.

Note that the campaign to “otmazyvany” liberal experts, which, most likely, will enter the large-scale stage by the fall, is already beginning. In the above article it is written: “For the experts, the revelations of Klepach did not come as a surprise. The fact that the economy has entered a period of stagnation has been talked in the expert community quite a long time ago, and the statements of the president and prime minister about the need to ensure a five-year economic growth rate of at least 5% due to modernization and innovation today are not taken seriously. ”

This is not only an explanation of the fact that there was no deception on the part of the government, but also an attempt to impute to all the deliberately false position that there can be no economic growth. In fact, the last sentence should be read like this: “It’s impossible to ensure economic growth by liberal methods!” Well, we knew this a long time ago, unlike government experts, as well as the fact that illiberal methods (specifically, import substitution) will give an excellent result - 7 growth -8% for at least ten years.

The only trouble is that Putin utterly dislikes to give up "his", and as long as he believes that the liberals in the government are precisely that "his", nothing will change. And in order for his position to change, he needs to try to look at the world from an alternative point of view, to become not a “merchant”, but at least a “warrior”. This is the only way to see that the liberals in the government do not at all regard him as “their own”, they are subject to the authorities, and this authority has nothing to do with Putin (and Russia).

Will happen история With economic growth in the country, the key point that will change Putin’s position is the question. But one thing is clear: in the conditions of a constant economic recession, it will be extremely difficult for him to retain the mandate for power received from society.
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  1. Canep
    Canep 12 July 2013 10: 54 New
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    The government and the Central Bank categorically refuse to change the liberal principles of economic management, while Putin categorically needs quite decent (at least 5% per year) growth. It is impossible to agree here, since liberal principles today can only give a recession.

    In the early thirties, the Stalinist economy set world records for growth in spite of the great depression in the west. These records are still not broken.

    The only trouble is that Putin doesn’t like to surrender “his own people”, and while he believes that liberals in the government are precisely “their own”, nothing will change.

    Chubais should be sent to writing for a long time - let him write his memoirs, and it is better that he wrote them indoors with bars on the windows, and under guard.
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 12 July 2013 15: 58 New
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      Quote: Author Mikhail Khazin
      Note that Putin himself, apparently, still does not fully understand the full antagonism of his relations with the Russian liberals, who control the government and the Central Bank (in particular, with Shuvalov and Nabiullina)


      Doesn't understand who appoints? The author is more careful with a non-fictional character, otherwise you will be accused of defaming inadequacy
      1. INTER
        INTER 12 July 2013 16: 23 New
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        The whole problem of appointments is that these people have no idea about real management and administration. These people, with all the desire for supreme power, will absolutely not do anything, because they are people of material thinking, they are alien to public interests. And in general, when a person, in particular an official, separates the personal from the public, the scrapping of work begins and the destructive processes begin! V.V. Putin needs people who are primarily interested in the greatness of Russia, and not in the greatness of his pocket!
        1. Karabu
          Karabu 12 July 2013 18: 38 New
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          Quote: author
          So, Putin, in his understanding of the “city and the world”, is most likely a “merchant”
          more precisely, the huckster.
          and tired of these tales about the confrontation. all liberals from Chubais to Medvedev and Serdyukov are his team and under his wing. and the way he defended them in a "straight line" is another confirmation of this
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        2. yak69
          yak69 12 July 2013 19: 37 New
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          Quote: INTER
          Putin needs people who are primarily interested in the greatness of Russia, and not in the greatness of his pocket!

          If Putin needed people interested in the greatness of Russia, then he would not have held power such as Kudrin, Gref, Chubais and everyone else!
          I can’t stop marveling at the complete blindness of citizens who sincerely believe that Putin is REALLY interested in the greatness of Russia.
          It is enough to draw parallels and compare the periods: 17-30 years (13 years of Putin's power) and 17-40 years (23 years of liberalist power) of the 20th century and the corresponding periods of the modern history of Russia, when traitors-liberalists seized power. What was done then and what is now, the pace of economic development and other indicators.
          If only Putin really wanted the revival of Russia, the first thing he had to do was restore the trampled social justice! These are his words that the collapse of the USSR is a great tragedy for all people. So what then prevents him from restoring that very great country, with its economic and ideological structure, to which he swore an oath of loyalty - "to defend to the last drop of blood, not sparing his life" !!
          What prevented him from channeling all the proceeds from oil so far to the development of science, high-tech industries, the re-equipment and modernization of the same military-industrial complex, housing and communal services and the army ?? Why have billions of dollars been buried in American mortgage securities all these years?
          I used to think that citizens who sincerely believe in Putin are blind, but now I understand that they are STUPID.
          Cicero once said: to err is peculiar to man, but to persist in delusion is intrinsic to a fool!
          1. aksakal
            aksakal 13 July 2013 02: 33 New
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            Quote: yak69
            17-30 years (13 years of Putin's power)
            - could you express your thoughts more clearly? Can not understand anything. Actually, the surname of the head of state is written with a capital letter. It’s good that you don’t stoop to the word “rashka” in place of the word Russia, thank you for that too, but how would you be on your way to this.

            Quote: yak69
            restore trampled social justice!

            и
            Quote: yak69
            What prevented him from channeling all the proceeds from oil so far to the development of science, high-tech industries, the re-equipment and modernization of the same military-industrial complex, housing and communal services and the army
            - in fact, they discussed what hindered and hindered him. Russia is the financial colony of the United States, and the money must be in the States. They lie there. About this and SABZH - at least watch the news? Well, they don't want to pull money out of there and that's it! Like, the risks in Russia are big, we will waste, we will eat, in the end we will be left with nothing and all that. There are still questions, what's stopping you? And yet - issues of social justice and the direction of funds for the development of science and other things can at certain stages contradict each other, and sometimes you have to choose one thing. If you are already making an appeal to the Stalinist period, then I have to remind you about the Holodomors and the destruction of kulaks. Or are the kulaks not Russian people? Well, if not Russians, I’m taking off the question. What kind of social justice in the Stalinist period, if a whole stratum of the population simply went to destruction? I do not condemn Stalin, I just open your eyes - in life, either you modernize the country, or you are engaged in social justice, which you still cannot achieve without modernization. Have you at least studied at the institute? And then you somehow have everything in a heap - you want to eat the fish and be "tolerant". Be so kind as to choose one. If you want to see the country great - please identify those who interfere and shoot them to hell. Not only Stalin did this. Everyone did this, both Ataturk and Peter the Great. There are always forces during modernization that lose something during this modernization. And judging by your level of thinking, it seems to you that there are a dozen people like Prokhorov, and that's it. I will upset you - in fact, we are talking about millions in 148 million Russia, these millions live relatively well and will live that way in the current state (in the sense - with the current industrial relations in Russia). Of course, these millions will resist, because after modernization they may not find themselves and lose in the standard of living, etc. You are ready? Not the first time for Russia, as I understand it. Or are you again counting on Kazakhstan that it will pay for your reforms with the Holodomor and half of the population? Here, excuse me, somehow yourself.
            I understand harshly, but let's go down to earth and really look at things. And then Wishlist Wishlist, but in life you have to pay for everything. Millions of lives. I understand Putin, it’s not easy to take that responsibility upon yourself. But his indecision also began to annoy me. At first it seemed like a tough guy to water in the toilet and all that. And here - he hesitates and hesitates!
            1. sleepy
              sleepy 13 July 2013 03: 21 New
              +7
              Quote: aksakal
              "And more - issues of social justice
              and the allocation of funds for the development of science and other things may, at certain stages, contradict each other,
              and sometimes you have to choose one thing ... "


              There is no contradiction between social justice and technological progress. On the contrary, there is a direct connection.

              "First of all," Children of the Arbat " threw off kindergartens from balance.
              They, sickly, did not understand what kind of returns do parents work with,
              knowing that the children are full, warmed, and next - the doctor.

              They did not understand anything about the Plant ...
              It was necessary to have a rare idiocy in order to automatically transfer tracing paper of Western production to the Soviet factory.
              Because our plants are a fundamentally different structure,
              completely differently organized. Fantastic results in the economy were achieved precisely because it was ...
              family business
              . Factories lived according to the laws of the family.
              They worked together, lived in the same houses, rested together, treated together, raised children together.
              7 sponsored schools were at the Aviation Plant.
              Do any of us remember that the director with bulging eyes rushed about in search of money for repairs? "
              http://kan-kendarat.livejournal.com/17641.html

              For capitalists, profit and cost are more important
              for socialism, social justice is more important.
              1. aksakal
                aksakal 13 July 2013 21: 53 New
                +2
                Quote: sleepy
                . Fantastic results in the economy were achieved precisely because it was ...
                family business. Factories lived according to the laws of the family.
                They worked together, lived in the same houses, rested together, treated together, raised children together
                - Did you yourself work in factories or just read about it and then quote with a clever look? I spent ten years at the Kirov Plant, from a student turner to the deputy head of the shop, and I can say for sure - the families, of course, were there, even sometimes they worked at neighboring machines. My clinic was - I do not deny, and not bad, and free. And here
                Quote: sleepy
                Fantastic results in the economy
                - that's bullshit. It was necessary to drive the table-keepers so that the teas would not drive once again. It was necessary to drive workers from the breakaways, so they had already complied with all the norms, they left two details at the end of the shift. Why? Yes, because if you overfulfilled the plan strongly, you could have cut the prices ... This has already been discussed about ten times, and again you are printing nostalgic nonsense. The machines are mainly with German crosses, only in places CNC machines, and even those were smashed by the workers themselves - the most hardened details were given to these machines ...
                Fantastic results were in the 50s, when there was an intensive construction of these plants, equipping them with trophy machines and mass immigration from village to city to these plants under construction. This expansion of production was called EXTENSIVE due to the involvement of more and more people in production. But people will ever end, demographic growth is not as fast as production growth during a period of rapid growth ... It was time to switch to INTENSIVE production growth, and here the snag happened. I don’t know why the transition to intensive rails failed, but there was an attempt - machines and equipment were purchased, but many were never installed and were ruined in the open.
                By the way, Russia is now following the EXTENSIVE path of growth, and therefore cannot do without the Tajiks. Well, that would be known. The intensive growth path is characterized by a sharp increase in labor productivity, hence the release of large masses of people, Tajiks are being expelled from the country ... These signs do not exist yet. Therefore, there will be no economic miracle.
                1. sleepy
                  sleepy 15 July 2013 01: 33 New
                  +1
                  Quote: aksakal
                  "- Did you yourself work in factories or just read about it?
                  and then you quote with a clever look? .. "


                  He worked at aircraft instrument building in St. Petersburg.
                  During the perestroika, they did not say what they had done for 10 years of production ... go, walk.
                  So I walked for the first 10 years, sometimes looking at the enterprise -
                  Do not need my hands?
                  Now (20 years later) I work in the furniture industry
                  almost 10 years and even in 2008 there was work.
                  So I worked and work, and I quote others because
                  others manage to speak better, I don’t give out for my work,
                  I give links to the source.
                  1. sleepy
                    sleepy 15 July 2013 01: 48 New
                    +1
                    Quote: aksakal
                    "It was necessary to drive the timekeepers so that the teas would not be driven once again. It was necessary to drive the workers from the smoke breaks, so they are all norms
                    already completed, two details at the end of the shift left.
                    Why? Yes, because if you strongly exceeded the plan,
                    could cut prices ... ".


                    Our teas were chased not only by table-keepers, but also by economists, accountants, and PRB.
                    And the bosses did not drive them, the main thing is the timely submitted quarterly report, the prices, the order for parts and accessories.
                    At the current job, too, chasing teas, and nothing.
                    Here for the use of the Internet for official purposes - punished.
                    And for tea with cakes - do not punish, because
                    Having eaten sweets with tea, the accountants get better, it has long been noticed.

                    And for overfulfillment of the plan they gave a bonus, but the limited number of incoming components did not allow much.
                    And the prices were reduced for another reason, the plan was this -
                    reducing the cost of the product and cut prices.
                    1. sleepy
                      sleepy 15 July 2013 02: 05 New
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                      Quote: aksakal
                      "By the way, Russia is now again following the EXTENSIVE path of growth
                      and therefore cannot do without Tajiks. Well, so that they knew. An intensive growth path is characterized by a sharp increase in labor productivity, hence the release of large masses of people, Tajiks are expelled from the country ... There are no such signs yet. This means that there will be no economic miracle ... "


                      It is a pity that there will be no economic miracle ...
                      I wonder which way Japan is going - extensive or intense.
                      As of 2004, there were 127.1 million people in Japan,
                      in Russia, not much more.

                      Can't do without Tajiks?
                      "Open letter from the head of the portal Superjob.ru
                      Alexey Zakharov to the President of the Russian Federation ",
                      who wrote everything better than me about the Tajiks.
                      "... makes absolutely uncompetitive tens of millions of our fellow citizens. They can no longer compete in the low-skilled labor market.
                      A Russian citizen cannot and should not compete for a job and a beggarly salary with visitors from Central Asia.
                      Russian citizens are not ready and should not live in bestial conditions for 20 people in a room, receiving a meager salary for their work. And our citizens do not want.

                      But, I emphasize, this does not mean that they do not want to work.
                      They do not want to work for a salary that does not allow giving birth and raising children, eating normally and being treated. Moreover, according to our research, today 18% of our fellow citizens feel real competition with visitors from Central Asia .....
                      ... What are the advantages of attracting tens of millions of low-skilled migrants? I do not see any ...
                      ... We plan to spend through the Ministry of Labor
                      in the coming years, hundreds of billions of rubles to attract
                      and adaptation of migrants
                      .
                      ... I urge you, Mr. President, to make tough political decisions aimed at completely banning the import of cheap labor into the Russian Federation ...
                      ... the world will not collapse. And prices will not rise.
                      Salaries of a significant part of Russian citizens will increase ...
                      ... why are you silent? And in response I hear: THERE (they look upwardly) do not listen to us ... "
                      http://www.echomsk.spb.ru/blogs/EchoSPB/10399.php
            2. sleepy
              sleepy 13 July 2013 03: 40 New
              +6
              Quote: aksakal
              "... If you already appeal to the Stalinist period,
              then I have to recall both the Holodomors and the destruction of the kulaks. Or are the kulaks not Russian people? .. "


              So who are these fists? Is this a “reference”, hardworking master, ruthlessly devastated and destroyed by the machine of Stalin's collectivization?

              But the peasants called fist a world-eater.
              In it, as in the textbook, almost the entire scheme is painted intra-village exploitation. In the spring, when there is no bread left in poor households, the time comes to usurer.
              In August, the poor will give two bags for a bag of grain to feed a starving family. For seed bread - half the crop.
              A horse for a day - several days (up to a week) of working out.
              In the spring, for a debt or for a couple of bags of grain, a fist takes it from a horseless neighbor, other neighbors process this field for debts,
              and the crop goes entirely to the "good master."
              Economic power over neighbors is followed by political power: at a village gathering, the fist can automatically count on the support of all its debtors, passes to the village council itself, or leads its people there and so becomes the true owner of the village, which now has no council.

              Well, that is a completely different matter. This is already a class that uses its means of production in a completely different way than the middle peasant.
              And the question is: will such a “benefactor” remain indifferent to the collective farm, which cooperates with the poor part of the village,
              thereby knocking out the feed base from under it?
              Another "class" sign of a fist is his specific participation
              in the grain trade.
              Accumulating large masses of bread
              the kulaks completely did not put them on the market, deliberately inflating prices. In those conditions, it was actually work to organize hunger,
              so the 107th article on such citizens just cried.
              And such world-eaters are still pitied. but it is in the cities.

              “... you say that the fists do not want to donate bread, that they are waiting
              price increases and prefer to conduct unbridled speculation. It's right.
              But the fists are not just waiting for higher prices, but demand higher prices three times in comparison with state prices.
              Do you think that you can satisfy the fists?
              The poor and a significant part of the middle peasants have already donated bread to the state
              at state prices.
              Is it possible to allow the state to pay three times more for bread to fists than to the poor and middle peasants? ”
              And this is an application for monopoly trade, which is now punished
              in accordance with antitrust laws,
              and for some reason no one complains.

              http://expert.ru/2012/05/12/kulachestvo-kak-klass/?n=7743

              Well, about the Holodomor 8 company laid out a lot, that's just
              I also forgot to accuse Russian tsars of famines,
              after all, there were many cases of crop failure followed by famine.
              1. aksakal
                aksakal 14 July 2013 00: 09 New
                +2
                Quote: sleepy
                But the peasants called the fist a world-eater.

                That’s what I’m talking about too. The only difference is that you brought a huge post to justify the destruction of the kulaks, and I - to justify the destruction of the class of oligarchs. Only for the kulaks (by the way, who are ethnically not foreigners, but their own, relatives), whose sins are much less than those of the current oligarchs, do you grab the pros and cons. I did not see the logic.
                1. sleepy
                  sleepy 15 July 2013 02: 34 New
                  +1
                  Quote: aksakal
                  "... whose sins are much less than those of the current oligarchs, you grab the pluses, but they shove me minuses. I didn't see the logic."


                  There are fewer sins among the world-eating kulaks than the capitalists (the current oligarchs are essentially newly-minted capitalists, intoxicated by their capabilities).
                  But capitalists come to the conclusion that they need a working class,
                  and specialists, and lawyers, and scientists, and the education system,
                  and applicable laws ...

                  The world-fist would like to make everyone subservient to uneducated slaves in all areas - financial,
                  moral, moral, spiritual ...

                  PS As for the minuses, they are not specifically set,
                  while expressing your attitude without comment
                  (it seems only Wardes commented on his ratings).
                  Once he wrote that R. Kadyrov is a real contender for becoming president of Russia. I grabbed the minuses, but this is reality - Kadyrov enjoys the support of part of the population and the Kremlin.
            3. sleepy
              sleepy 13 July 2013 04: 04 New
              +9
              Quote: aksakal
              "... If you want to see the country great - please identify those
              who gets in the way and shoot them to hell. Not only Stalin did this ... ".


              It is a mistake to assume that Stalin, wanting to see the USSR great
              he just did what he defined and shot.
              The number of people sitting and executed is known - and this is not tens of millions.
              But Stalin announced the country's development plan - the Stalin five-year plans -
              and demanded that his subordinates implement it, and someone would try
              to plunder budget money - they planted everyone, even S.P. Korolev served time for embezzlement.
              1. aksakal
                aksakal 14 July 2013 00: 19 New
                +2
                Quote: sleepy
                The number of those sitting and executed is known - and this is not tens of millions.

                - you read and see something of your own. I did not speak about the millions of repressed, nevertheless the enemies of the people were shot. Millions of those killed happened during the CIVIL war, which is the essence of an armed struggle between citizens of one and the same country. Some citizens defended their interests, others - the opposite, they did not find a peaceful settlement, and moreover, the "well-wishers" poured oil on the fire - here you have millions. Why are you silent about them? A sharp course on what you are proposing, especially:
                Quote: sleepy
                All financial structures should be returned to the state.

                Quote: sleepy
                Introduce rent for the use of mineral resources and natural resources.
                can lead to the same, already tired of hammering. But again, Putin will not be able to maneuver between the centers of forces for a long time, this kind of publication-SABZH is a signal, it's like a wife's cry to her husband who slept with his mistress - "choose, either me or she!" The field for maneuvering is narrowing, Putin is already being given to understand that it is time to decide. As soon as it is determined, a conflict will begin, because the side that Putin did not choose will not leave meekly and quietly, do not even hope.
                1. sleepy
                  sleepy 15 July 2013 02: 51 New
                  0
                  Quote: aksakal
                  "... A sharp course on what you are proposing, especially:

                  Quote: sleepy
                  "All financial structures should be returned to the state.
                  Introduce rent for the use of subsoil and natural resources. "

                  ... can lead to the same, already tired of hammering. "


                  No need to peck, explain plainly how to return the Central Bank
                  and other financial structures will lead to Civil?
                  No need to peck, explain plainly how to enter annuity
                  will lead to Civil?

                  And at the beginning of the last century the tsarist government led to the Civil.
                  First, the Stolypin reforms stalled after his assassination,
                  and then dragged Russia into World War I.
                  I can’t remember when and with whom else Russian soldiers so massively fraternized, if not with the Germans in World War I, and then returned home with weapons, and there the elect, who had sat out from the front, and the same fists who profited greatly from the absence of breadwinners .
                  Against the backdrop of class feud, the Civil War began.
                  Is Russia so bad right now?
                  And they shoot from passing cars and in the smaller metro.
                  There will be no civil war. Some kind of resistance - maybe let the FSB and FSO work, and not sleep on duty.
                  But if nothing is changed, then the country will turn into a raw materials appendage of the West without ballet and rockets.
            4. sleepy
              sleepy 13 July 2013 04: 25 New
              +5
              Quote: aksakal
              "Everyone did this, both Ataturk and Peter the Great ..."


              Peter's reforms and wars had a negative economic effect. The population from 1700 to 1725 decreased from 18 to 16 million people. The introduction of serfdom with slave labor, threw the economy far back. While almost all the countries of Western Europe were freed from the remnants of slavery, realizing that without it they are doomed, and Peter 1 on the contrary introduces slavery in Muscovy.

              The defeat of the Swedish army led to the weakening of Sweden and the loss of its influence on the countries of Europe, which led to their strengthening, due to the victories of the Russian troops. Territorial acquisitions were disproportionate to the losses incurred - 2 million people. The lives of Russian people have become a bargaining chip in the political games of Western European politicians.
              Territories annexed to Russia Sweden has not lost
              and sold it to Russia for a lot of money,
              what went heavy
              an additional burden on the country.
              After the Northern War, the Russian army fell into complete decline, and the fleet turned out to be of poor quality and quickly decayed after the death of Peter 1 (1725).
              Access to the sea contributed to the prosperity of not Russia,
              and Europe, which exported natural resources from Russia for nothing, increasing its turnover by 10 times.
              Peter 1 “cut a window” to Europe, or rather cut a window
              to Muscovy for European countries. Before Peter, the penetration of foreigners
              on the lands of Muscovy was very limited.

              Thanks to Peter's policy in the XNUMXth century, for the first time in the entire existence of Russia, the nobility, both socially and politically,
              and culturally separated from its own people, turned into closed estate, brought up in non-Russian traditions.
              1. yak69
                yak69 14 July 2013 00: 17 New
                +2
                Quote: sleepy
                Thanks to Peter's policy in the XNUMXth century, for the first time in the entire existence of Russia, the nobility, both socially and politically,
                and culturally separated from its own people, turned into a closed estate, brought up in non-Russian traditions.

                Many times already wrote in the comments about the far-reaching reforms of Peter the Great and to whom it was beneficial. Here I fully support your point of view and I can add about the penetration of massonism into Russia and that Peter himself was the first masson and I do not think that this was a blessing for the state of Russia.
                And about the separation of the elites is also true. All these conflicts between fathers and children began precisely after the penetration of Western European culture and mentality into Russia.
                For some reason, Geyropa in all ages claims to be an outpost of free-thinking and progress, and this is during the centuries of the Inquisition and the suppression of all living things that could only be. G. Bruno, Copernicus, Campanella and others. The "enlightened" geyropa is the homeland of the most brutal atrocities, executions, torture and massacres. And fascism ?! Now, sodomy, pedophilia, incest, Satanism, raised to the rank of the law! And it's all gayrope !! And what is their progressiveness and "light" to the world ?!
                The East is constantly accused of despotism and barbarism, at a time when the entire cultural heritage of the East speaks and calls for liberation from dependence on the material and the base. To the spiritual growth and creation of one’s inner world, through the knowledge of the Truth (and not the knowledge of oneself!).
                1. sleepy
                  sleepy 15 July 2013 03: 03 New
                  0
                  Quote: aksakal
                  "... I can add about the penetration of Freemasonry into Russia and that
                  that Peter himself was the first Freemason and I don’t think it was a blessing for the Russian state ... "


                  Unfortunately, in school textbooks they write about Peter the Reformer.
                  But on the Internet you can find another point of view.
                  In Karelia, and without the Internet, the old people know the other side.
            5. sleepy
              sleepy 13 July 2013 04: 42 New
              +4
              Quote: aksakal
              "... actually, we are talking about millions in 148 million Russia,
              these millions live relatively well and will live that way in the current state (in the sense - under the current industrial relations in Russia). "


              "... Of course, these millions will resist,
              since after modernization they may not find themselves and lose
              in the standard of living, etc. You are ready?.."


              With modernization, a lot of millions will find work for themselves.
              Living standards decline with rising inflation.

              You can do without modernization.
              All financial structures should be returned to the state.
              Limit the uncontrolled circulation of the dollar.
              Apply for an exit from the WTO.
              Return enterprises of the military-industrial complex and natural monopolies to the state.
              Introduce rent for the use of mineral resources and natural resources.
              Abolish pro-Western educational reform and juvenile justice.

              It is possible without modernization, only technical progress
              will not stand still.
              In the meantime, modernization is taking place in nanotechnology - Chubais is responsible.
              1. aksakal
                aksakal 13 July 2013 22: 14 New
                0
                Quote: sleepy
                Return the defense industry enterprises

                - Name at least one private enterprise in the military-industrial complex. PR-technologies do not count, people applied their own knowledge, to the acquisition of which they put a lot of effort, and created their own weapons enterprise, plans should not be made here. And by the way, this kind of private enterprise can benefit the state - for that and the pike, so that the crucian would not doze off.
                Quote: sleepy
                All financial structures should be returned to the state.

                I posted below what it threatens. True, I posted so that I supported you and on your side, but, unlike you, I can even minute by minute describe what and how will happen when you take the same Alfa-Bank from one of those walking in the deserts. As soon as you make a decision on the nationalization of all financial institutions, you have made a decision and you haven’t even hit a finger like an official from the head of the Business Security Service (and these are retired KGB officers, professionals) will already lie on a table by a person walking in the desert, moreover, with the proposed countermeasures right up to the most urgent ones (and then guess for yourself what this is about). Once again I ask - are you ready for the victims? Or just beautiful Wishlist print much?
                1. Misantrop
                  Misantrop 13 July 2013 22: 46 New
                  +1
                  Quote: aksakal
                  name at least one private enterprise MIC.
                  Not difficult. Here, even today in this site:
                  http://topwar.ru/30715-v-buduschem-otkazano-sudba-edinstvennogo-v-rossii-proizvo
                  ditelya-sksht-dlya-nuzhd-minoborony-ostaetsya-neyasnoy.html # comment-id-1328378
                  1. aksakal
                    aksakal 14 July 2013 00: 37 New
                    0
                    In general, I had in mind the enterprises producing weapons, military weapons. And if the automobile factories are recorded purely in the military-industrial complex, then even then read carefully: "and is not included in the list of strategically important enterprises of the military-industrial complex" - does this tell you something? If we talk like that, then any mechanical plant that produces nuts and fasteners can be registered in the military-industrial complex, because these nuts and fasteners are also used in military products. Misanthrope, not convinced.
                    1. Misantrop
                      Misantrop 14 July 2013 09: 37 New
                      +1
                      Quote: aksakal
                      read carefully

                      The only enterprise in the country that produces chassis for missile systems is not interested in the defense industry? Here the question is not to him, but to the compilers of the list ... By the way, about the nuts. Those that are used in combat systems differ from consumer goods, like a horse from a steam locomotive. Need to explain why? And what will happen if a normal nut is used in the responsible node? By stupidity, carelessness or with wrecking purposes ...
                      Need an arms factory? No problem, mechanical Kovrov. Not only unique machine guns, but also centrifuges to enrich uranium, plutonium and other STRATEGIC materials. Not so long ago, it was not miraculously "gobbled up"; it took Putin's PERSONAL intervention. Will such an example work or is a monster like General Electric required? Well, in the Russian Federation there are simply no such people, in no one’s property request
                2. yak69
                  yak69 13 July 2013 22: 47 New
                  +2
                  Quote: aksakal
                  As soon as you make a decision on the nationalization of all financial institutions, .. as a service from the head of the Business Security Service (and these are retired KGB officers, professionals) will already be lying on the table by a walker in the desert, and with the proposed countermeasures right up to the most urgent

                  I will tell you one thing about this. An employee of special services is never a former. And the most interesting thing is their mentality. As soon as a decision is made to nationalize everything and everyone, these same KGB men, who are conscientiously "serving" the oligarchs now, will be the first to ensure the unconditional implementation of state decisions on nationalization. Moreover, the oligarchs will not even have time to come to their senses, as they will find themselves in the basements of the Lubyanka, and others (who know more than anyone else) will peacefully go to their forefathers.
                  Believe it or not....
                  1. yak69
                    yak69 13 July 2013 23: 18 New
                    +3
                    And, you know, honestly, dear, if you, having lived in Soviet times and living now, do not find that of the two formations (Soc. And Cap.), For all their shortcomings, you think that capitalism is a blessing and a high road for humanity, then I don’t I want to argue with you. The truth is tired of saying obvious things, and I don’t have a goal to agitate anyone for the Soviet regime. I am convinced that the future lies with the communist ideology (not in the orthodox Marx pitch). Now mankind has a unique opportunity - to take from the Marxist-Leninist-Stalinist teachings the most valuable and develop on its basis a new program of action for the next 100-150 years (no less!). It is during such a time that it is possible to raise new positive qualities in a person at the genetic level.
                    Therefore, I, to the best of my ability, do everything in my power to return the lost. The number of like-minded people is growing every year and this (for the most part, young people!) Gives me confidence in our victory. And the majority that you remember will follow those who have the strength and determination. That's the whole recipe.

                    One more thing. I am convinced that if Stalin had lived another 10 years, the USSR would have become the only superpower on the planet, and socialism the only state system.
                    It's my personal opinion.
                    hi
                    1. aksakal
                      aksakal 14 July 2013 00: 42 New
                      +1
                      Quote: yak69
                      I am convinced that the future lies with the communist ideology
                      - nevertheless, one of your minuses for the post below, where I posted:
                      Quote: aksakal
                      S-Mirnov, and by your post, you are on the other side of the barricades. Maybe meet.
                      .
                      With what fright minus sculpt? I'm for the same thing. Only in an orthodox form, because your "unorthodox" view is so blurred that it can easily be capitalism with communist rhetoric.
                  2. aksakal
                    aksakal 14 July 2013 00: 27 New
                    0
                    Quote: yak69
                    all, these same KGB men, conscientiously "serving" the oligarchs now, will be the first to ensure the unconditional fulfillment of state decisions on nationalization.
                    - it’s you Kalugin, Gordienko (well, you won’t tell anyone poisoned with polonium, but just in case - until his last minute he was faithful to Berezovsky and voiced exactly as Berezovsky asked) tell. Listen, some kind of kindergarten! Where did you get the former KGB operatives involved and interested in politics and secretly hate their current owners, who also pay them very well? I work in large corporations and communicate with such - they faithfully serve the one who hired them, this is their bread. The state hired in due time - they worked for it, now the employer is a large private structure, they work in good faith for it. What kind of kindergarten are you pulling here?
                    1. yak69
                      yak69 14 July 2013 19: 59 New
                      0
                      Quote: aksakal
                      Where did you get the former KGB operatives involved and interested in politics and secretly hate their current owners, who also pay them very well? I work in large corporations and communicate with such

                      Here I can’t give more detailed examples with exact coordinates in space. If you understand why, then you will understand, you will not understand - well, that means that you are not familiar with the specifics and realities. I can’t say more, and I have already said more than I should.
                      hi
                  3. sleepy
                    sleepy 15 July 2013 03: 29 New
                    0
                    Quote: yak69
                    "... As soon as the decision on nationalization is made
                    everything and everyone ... "


                    For all the will of the Most High and Merciful.
                    And this is a fact to be reckoned with.
                    1. yak69
                      yak69 15 July 2013 23: 53 New
                      0
                      Quote: sleepy
                      For all the will of the Most High and Merciful.

                      Hope for God, but don’t lie yourself!
                3. sleepy
                  sleepy 15 July 2013 03: 19 New
                  0
                  Quote: aksakal
                  "... name at least one private enterprise of the military-industrial complex."


                  Unfortunately, I can’t name it, because I need to have a list of shareholders and their blocks of shares on hand.
                  And unfortunately I did not find a link to a government document
                  on further privatization of defense industry enterprises.
                  Can the former Kirov Plant be called the enterprise of the military-industrial complex?
                  Indeed, in the USSR, many enterprises also produced military,
                  and peaceful themes.

                  "... As soon as you decide to nationalize all financial structures, you just made a decision
                  and they didn’t hit a finger, like a service from the head of the Business Security Service ... "


                  But Stalin would not have put in his pants.
                  And Gaddafi did not impose, although he was publicly executed.

                  “Stalin didn’t put it in his pants in his hour - did you?”
                  http://topwar.ru/13423-aleksandr-roslyakov-stalin-v-svoy-chas-ne-nalozhil-v-shta
                  ny-a-ty.html
    2. GreatRussia
      GreatRussia 12 July 2013 17: 18 New
      26


      Liberal, liberal, your living capital -
      The whole horde that oppresses Russia,
      All the crooks, all the thieves, all the Jewish Kagal,
      The whole robber-bureaucratic rabble!

      Liberal, it’s you who shot us in the back of the head
      In October on the Brokeback Bridge,
      It’s you, liberal, we nailed in Chechnya
      Thieves hands to the cross!

      You are flooding the country with US agents
      You graze sexual scum.
      It’s you, liberal, that you are holding Russians captive
      You stole our glory and power!

      It’s you liberal who bred poverty
      Satanic sects divorced.
      It’s you, liberal, that ruined our youth
      Our old age "brought to the handle."

      It is you, liberal, who gave sovereignty
      Local country bai in trouble.
      It’s you, liberal, that you took the bread from the poor,
      Putting them on a cake-quinoa.

      This, Bonner, is smoking your cigarette,
      Your Yakunin is shaking his beard.
      This is your Kovalev, your Basayev is a bandit
      Hand in hand ruining the people!

      Liberal, your swipes are preparing congress,
      In him a stranger reigns supreme.
      This hellish mixture is pouring into the souls of people
      Masyuki from the screens stinks.

      Hey, in the sagging pants, the Russian uncle is a man!
      Rusty pipes in a house flow.
      Your stomach is empty with hunger rumbles
      Cockroaches wallpaper nibble.

      On the back, the workman fell apart - he sits,
      I trampled your shoulders.
      All the ears of gaps, buzzing about reforms
      Tsereu - shny servant - liberal.

      The liberal is death, the liberal is pestilence
      the liberal is hunger and fear.
      The liberal is a whip and a collar and a shame -
      The main external and internal enemy!

      Squeeze them like witches on Bald Mountain
      The villains raise their high.
      Wake up, people, straighten up at dawn
      Caress them with a club!

      Hey cool cops, hey, army team and navy!
      You took the oath to the country.
      Liberal evil spells us all
      So put a stop to Satan!

      ... A series of gloomy gallows seems to me:
      And on them from verst to verst
      Liberals are hanging. LIBERALS HANG ...,
      And their filthy mouths are silent!

      The quintessence of the mind is word and thought.
      The case follows them.
      And when the vision comes true,
      Our Conscience will calmly breathe!
    3. papas-57
      papas-57 12 July 2013 17: 53 New
      10
      Let the prosecutor write better memoirs for Chubais
      1. Canep
        Canep 12 July 2013 18: 39 New
        11
        Quote: papas-57
        Let the prosecutor write better memoirs for Chubais

        If the prosecutor sees and is silent that CIA agents are in government positions, then he also needs to write memoirs in appropriate conditions, together with the redhead.
      2. S_mirnov
        S_mirnov 12 July 2013 19: 22 New
        +8
        "Let the prosecutor write his memoirs better for Chubais" - Any paperwork in relation to A. Chubais, B. Yeltsin and another group of persons is prohibited by the decree of the GDP as president of the Russian Federation!
        1. Mcsim
          Mcsim 12 July 2013 23: 00 New
          +3
          Would he be allowed to "stick in a two-piece" for Chubais and Co.?
          1. yak69
            yak69 14 July 2013 20: 02 New
            +1
            With family and close associates!
            Historical photo. Now everything fell into place.
    4. yurii p
      yurii p 12 July 2013 18: 49 New
      -1
      guard in the person of the guard.
      1. S_mirnov
        S_mirnov 12 July 2013 19: 20 New
        +8
        What naturally expected article ...
        1) First we create a bugbear of terrible liberalism (and, as a rule, no one understands what liberalism is! Liberalism type is all bad, but we are for all the good!)
        2) We tell the Russian People that liberalism must be stopped!
        3) Under the auspices of the fight against liberalism, we select the civil liberties of the Russian People (the right to free education, the right to work, the right to free medical care, the right to rest, the right to freedom of assembly, the right to referendum, etc.)
        4) We say to the hardened people - so you yourself wanted to fight liberalism, here we are fighting!
        For when corrupt skins (corrupt officials and traders) start talking about the fight against freedoms (LIBERAS), I clearly understand what they are leading to. Do you understand?
        1. aksakal
          aksakal 13 July 2013 02: 59 New
          -4
          Quote: S_mirnov
          1) First we create a bugbear of terrible liberalism (and, as a rule, no one understands what liberalism is! Liberalism type is all bad, but we are for all the good!)
          2) We tell the Russian People that liberalism must be stopped!
          - understand - tell me! OK, are you a liberal? Well, let's have a look at our program and your candidate! Novodvorskaya do you like?
          Well, lay it out, let's discuss! The author of SABZH spoke many times about the reincarnation of the red project, and I agree with him. Without this reincarnation - nowhere! What is the "Red Project"? First of all, this is the nationalization of assets, to put it simply, we take them away from those who like to walk in the desert in white. Will they give it up voluntarily? I doubt ... they have private security companies, professional killers, a whole army of liberal-minded hamsters, at the first whistle filling the swamp area, the "concerns of the world community about what is happening in Russia" will go first, these concerns will rapidly evolve into "harsh condemnation", and there and sanctions are just a stone's throw away. And even before provocations with the aim of further providing military support "in white, walking in the deserts." THIS IS _ HUNDRED POUDES! But Russia is a nuclear power, there is no need to be afraid of this!
          Well then what? Went because of these goats "in white walking in the deserts" the threat of civil war - we declare martial law. And this is
          Quote: S_mirnov
          we select civil liberties of the Russian People
          , but what you wrote:
          Quote: S_mirnov
          the right to free education, the right to work, the right to free medical care
          - This generally does not apply to civil liberties, but to social issues and social policy. And here:
          Quote: S_mirnov
          right to freedom of assembly, right to referendum, etc.)
          - this is just superfluous even not only in wartime, it is also not necessary in ordinary times! Generally ban more than three going! And crime, believe me, will be much less! S-mirnov, stop disappointing, are you seriously liberal? What are these assembly rights? Maybe give you freedom of speech? But did not get enough of the current media who were given this freedom? What nonsense are these media now printing, aren't you tired?
          I finish. After the declaration of wartime, to hell, to shoot both these in white and all those who, for them even out of stupidity, went to the swamp. And then there is already experience. Collectivization. A little famine. Then a little 37 years, a little war with someone thread, and finally we will be happy.
          S-Mirnov, and by your post, you are on the other side of the barricades. Maybe meet.
          1. sleepy
            sleepy 13 July 2013 05: 10 New
            +1
            Quote: aksakal
            “First of all, this is the nationalization of assets, to put it simply, we take them away from those who like to walk in white in the desert.
            Will they give it up voluntarily? I doubt it ... "


            It’s not necessary to take anything away.
            Such seizure is raiding, that is, illegal seizure
            another's property.
            All you need is to just review the results of privatization
            within the framework of the law and publicly.

            "... Generally prohibit more than three gatherings!
            And, believe me, there will be much less crime! .. "


            Do an experiment.
            Write on whatman the slogan "Down with corruption and embezzlement!"
            (I think you will agree with such a slogan) and stand with him opposite
            city ​​or court administration buildings (single pickets
            no need to coordinate, so you do nothing illegal
            ).
            And then it comes to the ridiculous
            http://demotivation.me/9lm97yugwm5kpic.html

            And what kind of crime are we talking about?
            About crime from the CIS countries?
            They can’t get together on holidays in the streets and squares?

            "After the declaration of wartime, to hell with shoot
            and these in white, and all those who, even for their stupidity, went to the swamp for them.
            And then there is already experience. Collectivization. A little famine.
            Then a little 37 years old, a little war with someone thread,
            and finally we will be happy ... "


            Who will declare martial law - State Department?
            Who will shoot - NATO in Ulyanovsk?
            Whom to collectivize - the villages are dying.
            Hunger is what has to do with-in the country, is it really a crop failure?
            Holodomor was done by aliens on the North American continent to the local population. The Anglo-Saxons have experience, they are now training in Africa.
            They don’t even write about the Holodomor in Russia even in Ukraine -
            afraid of denials.

            Happiness will be when there is a sense of justice, confidence in the Law, pride in the country, happiness is not on the barricades.
            1. aksakal
              aksakal 14 July 2013 00: 52 New
              0
              Quote: sleepy
              All you need is to just review the results of privatization
              within the framework of the law and publicly.
              - I didn’t talk about taking away at all, but talking about nationalization, which is also a legal act and is carried out according to certain procedures. The revision of the results of privatization is essentially a return to the state of privatized assets, which I am talking about. You reformulated, and the essence of this has not changed one iota. By the way, I don’t know what kind of Law on the revision of the results of privatization. This is a significant law, if it exists, then Putin has gone where he is asked. But I have not heard of him. Please kindly link.
              Quote: sleepy
              "After the declaration of wartime, to hell with shoot
              and these in white, and all those who, even for their stupidity, went to the swamp for them.
              And then there is already experience. Collectivization. A little famine.
              Then a little 37 years old, a little war with someone thread,
              and finally we will be happy ... "

              Who will declare martial law - State Department?

              - can you read? I'm talking about the oligarchs - they won't give up the "privatized" thing, call it nationalization, even "revision of the results of privatization," but even call it a pot, they will fight for this privatized one. Chubais was right when he announced after privatization that the point of return to communism had been passed, meaning the point of return without blood. So martial law will have to be declared to the Russian authorities if they decide to completely expel the liberals, which automatically means the revival of the "Red Project". Reread it carefully!
              1. sleepy
                sleepy 15 July 2013 03: 44 New
                0
                Quote: aksakal
                "... I'm not talking about taking away, but about nationalization, which is also a legal act and is carried out according to certain procedures ..."


                Nationalization is a compulsory act of taking property
                with the capitalists.

                "... The revision of the results of privatization is, in fact, the return of privatized assets to the state, which is what I am talking about ..."

                If privatization was carried out under the privatization law
                and there were no violations, this is one.
                If privatization was fraudulent and irregular,
                then privatization can be declared illegal and canceled.
                Is all privatization really illegal ???

                ... "You have reformulated, but the essence has not changed one iota. By the way, I do not know what the Law on the revision of the results of privatization is ..."

                There is no law on the revision of privatization, there is a law on privatization,
                if it is violated during privatization, then the privatization itself can be canceled, but for this it is necessary to revise the privatization.
                To review privatization at a particular enterprise
                Need a request to the Prosecutor's Office and the UK.
                and the consequences of such a request will soon be felt.

                "... Chubais was right when he announced after privatization ..."

                Chubais is a pawn that will not be allowed into queens, but beckoned,
                as beckoned at the time Gorbachev.
    5. 225chay
      225chay 12 July 2013 21: 18 New
      +1
      Quote: Canep
      In the early thirties, the Stalinist economy set world records for growth in spite of the great depression in the west. These records are still not broken.

      Right But for our country it is not so important whether someone will retain power, and the feasibility of the chosen strategic course by the managers and the benefits of them to the country itself and the common people
      1. S_mirnov
        S_mirnov 12 July 2013 21: 26 New
        +7
        "and the expediency of the chosen strategic course by the managers and the benefit of them to the people" - I doubt that the course for the Olympics and the construction of hotels and stadiums instead of factories and industrialization will benefit our People!
        1. 225chay
          225chay 12 July 2013 23: 07 New
          0
          Quote: S_mirnov
          I doubt that the course for the Olympics and the construction of hotels and stadiums instead of factories and industrialization will be of benefit to our people!


          I absolutely agree with you! Plus to you)
    6. vjhbc
      vjhbc 12 July 2013 21: 29 New
      -2
      if du-cancer itself, then of course the Jews are guilty
      let's recognize that among the Russians who have the willpower and mind for 50 years there is not a single person who would like greatness and goodness for Russia and the rest have no mind or willpower we take patriotic sites and an alternative, so on the sites they are all cool it’s even cooler than boiled eggs, but in life I need it, I’m looking further and further for an alternative how to get to so quickly and the mind and will and determination and are not afraid of blood, but where they came from not one did not do anything to get through to power for the greatness of Russia kill and eat shit on the heads of friends and relatives, but it’ll break loose and raise Russia it’s horseradish, it’s from the couch you need to lift your ass now to yourself I’m not very smart limp lazy
      1. sleepy
        sleepy 13 July 2013 05: 32 New
        0
        Quote: vjhbc
        "if you yourself ..... then of course the Jews are guilty ..."


        But Stalin appreciated the Jews.
        In the years of Stalin, the number of Jews studying at the faculty of Moscow State University
        It was 80-90%, and in graduate school - 95%.
        The USSR was the only country since World War II,
        freely accepting Jews who fled from Germany,
        while Britain and France were afraid to take them,
        expecting this to cause a riot of conservative layers.
        Stalin created the Jewish Autonomous Region - the first project of fully Jewish autonomy, where people could rule themselves in their laws
        and traditions.
        A third of all issued Stalinist prizes in the USSR were received by Jews -
        Marshak, Erenburg, Kazakevich, Shestakovich ...
        Stalin was one of those who lobbied for the concept of creating an Israeli state. He provided serious support for resolving the issue at the UN.

        Stalin's quote from 1931, later published in the newspaper Pravda:
        anti-Semitism - is one of the most dangerous forms
        bourgeois-class remnants, a form of social cannibalism,
        which the elites of the old world use to
        to distract workers from true goals.


        The USSR was one of the first states in the world where anti-Semitism was punishable by the Criminal Code - while in France in 1932-1933
        one could find articles in magazines in the spirit: "vile Jews are trying to put our country under the dependence of Judaism -
        it is high time to drive them to Madagascar. "

        For this, Stalin suffered in the end.
    7. OTTO
      OTTO 12 July 2013 21: 59 New
      +1
      Quote: Canep
      let him write his memoirs, and it is better that he writes them indoors with bars on the windows, and under guard.

      Will the memoir be called "Testimony on a given topic"?
    8. shpuntik
      shpuntik 12 July 2013 22: 19 New
      +2

      Canep Today, 10:54
      Chubais should be sent to writing for a long time - let him write his memoirs, and it is better that he wrote them indoors with bars on the windows, and under guard.

      Apparently, he will not be sent anywhere: "his". Yes, and he has been writing for a long time:
      "The so-called" book scandal "occurred at the end of 1997, when five leading reformers from the government and the presidential administration of the Russian Federation (Anatoly Chubais, Maxim Boyko, Alexander Kazakov, Alfred Kokh, Pyotr Mostovoy) received an advance payment of $ 90 each from a publishing company for the not yet written book "History of Russian Privatization". [1]


      1. 225chay
        225chay 12 July 2013 23: 11 New
        +1
        Have you also received bonuses for theft?
    9. vezunchik
      vezunchik 13 July 2013 01: 28 New
      +6
      Nor can it be done from the thought of a "good master". The leader is personally responsible for the actions or inaction of his subordinates! Otherwise, what kind of leader is he ...
    10. dustycat
      dustycat 13 July 2013 18: 13 New
      0
      Quote: Canep

      Chubais should be sent to writing for a long time - let him write his memoirs, and it is better that he wrote them indoors with bars on the windows, and under guard.


      Chubais, like DAM and GDP, is just foam on the surface.
  2. aviamed90
    aviamed90 12 July 2013 15: 53 New
    29
    So, he cannot decide for 3 terms of the presidency - who is his own and who is a stranger?

    Wow!

    "One of our own among strangers, a stranger among our own" !?

    Here, it turns out, why is there a mess in the country!
    And I, I thought bad ...
    1. washi
      washi 12 July 2013 17: 49 New
      -15 qualifying.
      Everything is definite. Wait. You will receive a work order. If in the area of ​​Kushki, do not be offended
      1. Igarr
        Igarr 12 July 2013 18: 52 New
        10
        Yes, they ate ... that Misha got scribbled. Straight Solzhenitsyn, namber that.
        ".. Note that Putin himself, apparently, still does not fully understand the antagonism of his relations with the Russian liberals, who control the government and the Central Bank .."
        Poor little miserable Pinocchio ....
        .
        Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin ... such as we ... together ... Khazin, Starikov, Kalashnikov, I, you, he, she - will circle around the finger effortlessly.
        Doesn't even sweat.
        KGB ... stupid ... did not hold.
        The whole career of GDP speaks about this.
        ..
        And here - ....
        Ouch, I got to read all kinds of garbage.
        Khazin, it seems, to the right tune .. dance.
        And he writes.
      2. aviamed90
        aviamed90 13 July 2013 10: 51 New
        +1
        washi

        Is it you who will distribute the outfits, O Great and Terrible?

        And what Kushka do you mean?
        A city in Turkmenistan or a river in the Kostroma region?
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    1. aviamed90
      aviamed90 12 July 2013 16: 08 New
      +1
      Sergey13

      Really?
      1. Sergey13
        Sergey13 12 July 2013 16: 21 New
        0
        Do you have any doubts? Type the question using the PC keyboard: "Jews are in the power of the Russian Federation" laughing
        1. washi
          washi 12 July 2013 17: 50 New
          -2
          So which one do you elect them, or do not elect, or didn’t you choose yourself?
        2. Ruslan67
          Ruslan67 12 July 2013 19: 14 New
          +3
          Quote: Sergey13
          Use the PC keyboard to type in the question:

          Zadolbal! with which I congratulate wassat
        3. Tverichanka
          Tverichanka 12 July 2013 21: 24 New
          +3
          Quote: Sergey13
          e using the keyboard

          If all knowledge and information is obtained using the keyboard, then the brain, as unnecessary, can be turned off altogether. Also, they found a source of information called "tyrnet" for me. Yes, this source just cannot be trusted. And not just impossible, but CATEGORALLY!
          1. smile
            smile 12 July 2013 23: 39 New
            +2
            Tverichanka
            You are late with warnings there. judging by the comment, everything is already bad - the brain has long since rested in the Bose ... and why should he? The dorsal is much more reliable, it is older ... :)))) everything else will replace tyrnut ... here it is the cyborg of the New Era ... according to the Indians, we have long been living in the Kali Yuga-Era of Darkness ... involuntarily agree with the Indians ... :))))
            1. Bort radist
              Bort radist 13 July 2013 07: 08 New
              +3
              Quote: smile
              judging by the comment, everything is already bad - the brain has long since rested in the Bose ... and why should he?

              Thinking at the level of a key combination. (What’s interesting - you’re gaining complete abracadabra, but it still gives out information when in principle it cannot be!)
          2. Nick
            Nick 13 July 2013 00: 44 New
            +1
            Quote: Tverichanka
            If all the knowledge and information is obtained using the keyboard, then the brain can be turned off altogether as unnecessary. Also, they found the source of information to me

            Those who use such sites as a source of information, the brain has long been disabled ...
            1. sleepy
              sleepy 13 July 2013 05: 47 New
              +2
              Quote: Tverichanka

              "If all knowledge and information is obtained using the keyboard,
              then the brain can be turned off altogether as unnecessary.
              Also, they found a source of information for me ... Yes, this source
              just can't be trusted. And not just impossible, but CATEGORALLY! ".


              I admit that I get a lot of knowledge and information through the Internet.
              For example http://vk.com/topic-19732513_24092563
      2. Skiff-2
        Skiff-2 12 July 2013 21: 10 New
        +3
        Quote: aviamed90
        Really?

        Not true .
    2. Vadivak
      Vadivak 12 July 2013 16: 22 New
      +2
      Quote: Sergey13
      "To keep power, Putin must cleanse it of Jews," but how is he himself like one of them?


      If there is no water in the tap ... Not tired?
      1. Sergey13
        Sergey13 12 July 2013 17: 04 New
        +6
        Dear moderators, I answer: No. Not tired
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak 12 July 2013 17: 08 New
          +4
          Quote: Sergey13
          Dear moderators, I answer: No. Not tired


          Don't you like the Jews in government? And what do the Jews vote with the majority of votes? Or are we still worthy of what we have?
          1. Sergey13
            Sergey13 12 July 2013 17: 12 New
            +7
            Are you talking about the elections ?! He was directly involved in their implementation, as they say "in the field" laughing and I can say that the country then once again raped
            1. washi
              washi 12 July 2013 17: 55 New
              -11 qualifying.
              Where are the declarations, articles, evidence?
              Piiiii not tossing bags.
              I can say: they did not let Yeltsin into the presidency with the company, Prokhorov took me away from Lena Berkova, my husband Bori Moiseyev wanted to beat me, etc.
              1. Ruslan67
                Ruslan67 12 July 2013 19: 17 New
                +6
                Quote: Vasya
                Bori Moiseyev’s husband wanted to beat me

                Vasya! you yourself understood what and where you wrote fool wassat
                1. smile
                  smile 12 July 2013 23: 50 New
                  0
                  Ruslan67
                  Come on, he joked ... I don’t know how well. but he showed it clearly. how reliable is the lie Comrade Sergey 13.
              2. smile
                smile 12 July 2013 23: 48 New
                +2
                washi
                And what, your answer has the same degree of certainty as the statements of Comrade Sergei 13 ... :)))) for humor ++++
                How does Boris Moiseyev’s husband run fast? :))) I hope not caught up? :)))
        2. Ruslan67
          Ruslan67 12 July 2013 19: 15 New
          +2
          Quote: Sergey13
          Dear Moderators

          I’m not a moderator but I wrote above.
        3. S_mirnov
          S_mirnov 12 July 2013 19: 28 New
          +1
          Well done Sergey13! I support!
          "At 7:40 he arrived!"
          http://rusforce.org/showthread.php?t=697
      2. Tersky
        Tersky 12 July 2013 21: 59 New
        +4
        Quote: Vadivak
        If there is no water in the tap ... Not tired?

        Vadim, so this is a nursery group, he has just been given the lyrics to the song ... well, instead of Agni Barto’s poems ..
        1. Ruslan67
          Ruslan67 12 July 2013 22: 50 New
          +6
          Quote: Tersky
          so this is a nursery group, he just got the lyrics ... well, instead of verses by Agnia Barto

          And from our window a woman is visible naked ... and from your window only a member sticks out a little wassat
          1. Vadivak
            Vadivak 12 July 2013 23: 24 New
            +3
            Quote: Ruslan67
            And from our window a woman is visible naked ..

            wanted to delete and then smile smile smile
            1. Ruslan67
              Ruslan67 12 July 2013 23: 28 New
              +4
              Quote: Vadivak
              wanted to delete and then
              But thank you very much for that. good hi
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          2. smile
            smile 12 July 2013 23: 52 New
            +2
            Ruslan67
            This is the first time I hear ... :))) can I steal? :))))
            1. Ruslan67
              Ruslan67 12 July 2013 23: 55 New
              +4
              Quote: smile
              can i steal

              For God's sake hi Vova-Mama sh ... answered from the stairs ... & well this !? Here Kolya's uncle has two wives and both .... wassat
      3. smile
        smile 12 July 2013 23: 42 New
        +2
        Vadivak
        Yeah! I realized that Jews became plumbers without exception! Guard!!! That's how galaxies are captured ... :))))
        1. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 13 July 2013 00: 48 New
          0
          Quote: smile
          Vadivak
          Yeah! I realized that Jews became plumbers without exception!


          It's much worse laughing
      4. shpuntik
        shpuntik 13 July 2013 00: 10 New
        +1
        Vadivak Yesterday, 16:22 ↑

        If there is no water in the tap ... Not tired?

        There, in fact, the full text is as follows:
        "... it is high time for everyone to understand - the Arabs drank the water!"
        fellow lol yes
      5. sleepy
        sleepy 13 July 2013 06: 21 New
        +2
        Quote: Sergey13

        "To keep power, Putin must cleanse it of Jews,"
        but how is he himself like one of them? "


        It is better not to bother the Jews, since they are a chosen people.
        Let them understand themselves, it will be more true.
    3. Nick
      Nick 13 July 2013 00: 35 New
      0
      Quote: Sergey13
      To retain power, Putin must cleanse it of Jews, "but how is he himself like one of them?

      Where does infa come from?
  4. krez-74
    krez-74 12 July 2013 16: 17 New
    +4
    laughing Putin will then hold onto power, but will the liberals themselves hold onto power?
    1. Renat
      Renat 12 July 2013 18: 23 New
      +9
      I'm afraid they are indestructible. Trotsky’s cause lives and flourishes.
    2. baltika-18
      baltika-18 12 July 2013 18: 29 New
      +3
      Quote: krez-74
      Putin will hold on to power

      Nah, Cupid, will not hold ...
      Quote: krez-74
      but whether liberals themselves hold on to power

      So the thing is that Putin is a liberal. I would post a video, but for some reason it does not load.
      Go to YouTube, type in "Putin and Liberalism", there will be a video of his speeches.
      1. Igarr
        Igarr 12 July 2013 18: 57 New
        0
        "Baltika-a-a-a-a-a-a-a ........" - a frame from the film "Optimistic Tragedy".
        ..
        Sorry, a little higher, but later in time, unsubscribed.
        Hi, Nikolai.
    3. does it
      does it 12 July 2013 19: 00 New
      0
      Quote: krez-74
      Putin will then hold onto power, but will the liberals themselves hold onto power?

      Are these those under the guise of democrats?
  5. matross
    matross 12 July 2013 16: 24 New
    +1
    I really am not an economist, but it seems we are all waiting for "hot August" again!
    1. Very old
      Very old 12 July 2013 16: 41 New
      +3
      We endure heat. But the darkness will suit us. The same economists
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 12 July 2013 23: 37 New
        +1
        The main thing is not to overwhelm the Olympics.
  6. shark
    shark 12 July 2013 16: 24 New
    +3
    Golden words. They should have GDP in their ears. All this liberal mafia should be removed from power. From sin away. Until the people looked at them from the position of a warrior.
    1. Reyngard
      Reyngard 12 July 2013 17: 46 New
      +5
      Duc GDP is their godfather ... So who to clean?
  7. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 12 July 2013 16: 34 New
    15
    Speaking about the world outlook of a "warrior" and a "merchant" I would like to note the following. How do both groups relate to others? How does a merchant look at people? As a source of profit or surplus value that can be appropriated. So all the people around him are equal for the merchant (does it remind me of anything? "There is neither Greek nor Jew for me" ...) and this seems to be good. But ... The merchant is primarily interested in the people around him being as stupid, weak and dependent on him as possible. That is, the merchant is interested in the maximum unification of the surrounding society and its every possible weakening and stupidity. While the merchant himself is struggling to develop, grow, grow wiser and gain strength in order to more effectively shake the surrounding weaklings. Let's remember our education. And our laws. And ... well, in general, it's clear ...
    "Warrior" firstly attaches great importance to the concept of "his". Because his life is meaningless without those he can protect. So patriotism, national identity, duty, honor ... Attitude towards their own. The warrior is most strongly interested in the fact that his people around him are strong, smart, honest, courageous. A warrior is ready to put his life on so that "his" people grow, become smarter, gain knowledge and skills. It's very simple - for him to fight shoulder to shoulder with them. With us...
    The merchant is alone against this world, ready to snatch out of it what he wants, what he wants. And if in the world after that the wounds are bleeding, if everything is rotting and decaying, the merchant is indifferent. In principle, he cannot be faithful to anyone but himself, "moral values" for a merchant is an empty phrase, although in others he uses them willingly ... to snatch more.
    A warrior exists only with his own. He treats the world with care and intelligence, because the warrior does not want to leave anywhere either from his people or from his land. If, as a result of his actions, massive damage (everyone is mistaken) is inflicted by a warrior with all his might, not sparing his life, he tries to correct this damage. Conclusion? The warrior least of all in the world loves and wants ... to fight. Because in the war they kill, and the best. But the merchant willingly fights ... with tenfold superiority or the wrong hands ...
    1. Very old
      Very old 12 July 2013 16: 46 New
      +1
      Right, Michael. And + and rate!
    2. Shuriken
      Shuriken 12 July 2013 21: 25 New
      0
      Cool stated, +! Now we sit and think, who is the warrior and who is the merchant?
    3. 225chay
      225chay 12 July 2013 21: 43 New
      0
      Quote: Mikhail3
      The merchant is alone against this world, he is ready to tear out from him what he wants, what he wants.

      Quote: Mikhail3
      But the merchant willingly fights ... with tenfold superiority or the wrong hands ...

      Perhaps we need to cut the merchants who divorced in our country like cockroaches hands, feet, heads ... Trash trashmen sucked all the blood from the people
  8. Conepatus
    Conepatus 12 July 2013 16: 38 New
    +6
    That's when the "majors" will be shocked by the law for any violation of the law, and their parents, for the foolishness of their children, will fly out of their posts with a whistle, then there will not even be questions "How to keep the power in the GDP." and so it will keep. Not because it is so good, just others are even worse.
    1. Very old
      Very old 12 July 2013 16: 49 New
      0
      You look, Great Russia, but there is no one to choose. He holds and will keep power. What next?
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  9. Black
    Black 12 July 2013 16: 41 New
    12
    MERCHANT-WARRIOR - TEACHER OF PHYSICAL CULTURE ...
    WOLF-SHEEP-Hedgehog ...
    What concepts are not invented to smear with a thin layer.

    Putin is building a society and a state that at its core will not be
    be based on liberalism? With what "jumps" is it a liberal, will be "liberated" from other liberals? Surely not because we so passionately desire it?
    He didn’t fully understand, didn’t understand, believed, (and he was directly substituted and substituted !!!) .... I believe that Putin is a wise and sophisticated politician, he understands everything !!!! (this phrase is to me set off ???) We will not deceive ourselves.
    How can you even separate him from the team that sits in the Kremlin, the White House? Putin-Medvedev-Sechin-Serdyukov-Chubais-Shoigu-
    Ivanov ...... These are all links of one chain.
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      1. baltika-18
        baltika-18 12 July 2013 18: 32 New
        +2
        Quote: Vasya
        Uro ... yes. Are you ALL so stupid you don’t understand?

        Vasya, why are you going through something?
        More polite ...
  10. Mareman Vasilich
    Mareman Vasilich 12 July 2013 16: 42 New
    11
    In order for Putin to clean up the Kremlin and the Duma, he first needs to step over himself. But whether he has the will and courage to do so.
    1. does it
      does it 12 July 2013 19: 13 New
      +1
      Quote: Mareman Vasilich
      In order for Putin to clean up the Kremlin and the Duma, he first needs to step over himself. But whether he has the will and courage to do so.

      As the great Felix Edmundovich said at one time;"The Chekist must have a warm heart, cold mind and clean hands." hi soldier
    2. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 12 July 2013 22: 12 New
      +3
      Quote: Mareman Vasilich
      In order for Putin to clean up the Kremlin and the Duma, he first needs to step over himself. But whether he has the will and courage to do so.

      And he has no choice, either he relies on the liberals and oligarchs and goes against the people, or he relies on the people and goes against the liberals and oligarchs.
      Oligarchs and liberals can be cleaned and replaced, relying on the support of the people.
      It is impossible to cleanse and replace the people, if the people are indignant and rise up, they will demolish the entire parasitic "power elite" indiscriminately. People on xy, xy xy.
      1. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 12 July 2013 23: 25 New
        +1
        Quote: Corsair5912
        It is impossible to clean and replace the people

        For the time being, it turns out unsuccessfully - the decline in the state-forming progresses with a tendency to accelerate (3.3% from 89 to 02, and 4.2% from 02 to 10)
        1. Corsair5912
          Corsair5912 13 July 2013 16: 40 New
          0
          Quote: Yarosvet
          Quote: Corsair5912
          It is impossible to clean and replace the people

          For the time being, it turns out unsuccessfully - the decline in the state-forming progresses with a tendency to accelerate (3.3% from 89 to 02, and 4.2% from 02 to 10)

          This is a lie, a distortion of statistical data, in fact, the birth rate among Russians is constantly increasing.
          In the 90 and at the beginning of the 00, the population was declining due to the extinction of the large generation of the 20-30 birthdays, before the war, families with 5-6 children were ordinary, and due to the low birth rate during perestroika.
          Then there was massive unemployment, the salary was delayed for six months, there were few who wanted to have children.
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          2. Yarosvet
            Yarosvet 13 July 2013 22: 43 New
            0
            Quote: Corsair5912
            This is a lie, a distortion of statistical data, in fact, the birth rate among Russians is constantly increasing.

            And besides the unfounded statement, do you have anything?

            Census of the 80th (territory of the RSFSR) - 119865946

            Census of 2002 - 115889107

            Census of 2010 - 111016896


            Who's lying - me or you?
            1. Yarosvet
              Yarosvet 13 July 2013 23: 07 New
              0
              Quote: Yarosvet
              80th census
              89-th
            2. Russ69
              Russ69 13 July 2013 23: 28 New
              0
              Quote: Yarosvet
              And besides the unfounded statement, do you have anything?

              In general, since last year, the birth rate for some months has been higher than mortality.
              And there is a lot of numbers. http://www.rusfact.ru/node/5482
              1. Yarosvet
                Yarosvet 14 July 2013 04: 44 New
                0
                Quote: Russ69
                In general, since last year, the birth rate for some months has been higher than mortality.

                This is for Russia as a whole, and I’m talking specifically about the STATE-FORMING people, which are gradually being replaced by Russians - who have nothing to do with the Russian ethnic group.
            3. Corsair5912
              Corsair5912 14 July 2013 12: 51 New
              0
              I do not believe in flawed Russophobic statistics, and in the census results, all the more selective. I believe my eyes, in our city there is no pushing over from women with prams with state-forming babies and the demand for kindergartens is constantly growing.
              1. Yarosvet
                Yarosvet 14 July 2013 14: 46 New
                0
                And this is not a matter of faith.

                Note, Nikolai - they report with joy about the increase in the birth rate and the country's population from high tribunes, presenting it as their own achievements (in this case, the same statistics are used).

                But as soon as you start looking at the structure of increasing birth rates, the enthusiasm immediately disappears.
                1. sleepy
                  sleepy 15 July 2013 03: 53 New
                  0
                  Here's how the Internet responds to calls for increased birth rates.
                  With humor.

  11. Sergey13
    Sergey13 12 July 2013 16: 49 New
    +8
    Quote: Mareman Vasilich
    In order for Putin to clean up the Kremlin and the Duma, he first needs to step over himself. But whether he has the will and courage to do so.

    Yes, he’s not going to clean it, so the dust will be wiped a little wink
    1. yurii p
      yurii p 12 July 2013 19: 24 New
      +3
      does not wipe but lets.
  12. Mercenary
    Mercenary 12 July 2013 16: 50 New
    +1
    like summer, so everything is not glory to God in Russia. either the coup or the Kursk. The government overheated from inaction. one thought they have where to invest petrodollars or amers in the bank or in the stabilization fund. the heat will subside and the mess will remain.
  13. Yankuz
    Yankuz 12 July 2013 16: 53 New
    -7
    I think that if Putin gets rid of the liberals, then the West will finally turn his back on him and Russia. Liberals are needed, but controlled.
  14. Owl
    Owl 12 July 2013 16: 53 New
    +7
    It should be remembered that according to the model of controlled chaos, which is successfully used by the United States (collapse of the USSR, color revolutions), the most common actions are measures to maintain and develop liberal democracy and market reforms in a country that is opposed to liberal democracy and market reforms, in addition, the idea is introduced into the minds of citizens that the movement towards these areas will necessarily lead to an increase in living standards, to the formation of a strong and extensive middle class (read the "data" of "polls" by the Levada Center - one of the instruments of influencing the ideology of citizens), in parallel with this, the former values ​​and the old ideology should be forced out of the consciousness of citizens (the still-continuing criticism of the Soviet period of the country's history and Soviet achievements, as well as history textbooks rewritten in the 90s, according to which schoolchildren and students still study). It's too scary that all this has been going on since the mid-80s of the twentieth century (with the arrival of Agent Gorbaty) and the elected President does nothing to save the country.
  15. Grishka100watt
    Grishka100watt 12 July 2013 17: 09 New
    0
    but the main thing is different: officials have come to terms with the fact that a recession is inevitable in the country. Perhaps they would have already recognized it (since everyone who deals with the real economy sees the state of affairs with the naked eye)

    Why beat around the bush? Tell people why there will be a recession.
    Basel 3 will take effect in the fall. Questions to the Central Bank.
  16. Vlad_Mir
    Vlad_Mir 12 July 2013 17: 16 New
    +2
    Always respected people who can think outside the box, unbiased! A modern liberal is an enemy, and twice an enemy if he is a liberal for money!
    1. yurii p
      yurii p 12 July 2013 19: 27 New
      -1
      and for free who agrees to be a liberal, it’s not patriotism which is not paid in any way, but if it is paid, then it is not patriotism.
  17. rennim
    rennim 12 July 2013 17: 22 New
    11
    Putin himself is a liberal ... Otherwise, Vasiliev would have fed mice long ago in prison ... along with Chubais and others ... others ... others.
  18. niecke
    niecke 12 July 2013 17: 24 New
    +3
    touching article ... poo-all white and fluffy (black male) and around the bad guys!? well-well! yes the country never had an enemy worse than poo ... hitler and he did less evil !!!
  19. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 12 July 2013 17: 35 New
    +6
    Guys, I'm not a fan of Stalin, Putin, liberals ... I am for Russia, indivisible and strong, both politically and economically. Now I think it's not worth shaking the boat (the time is alarming war smells ..) Just look at what is happening at our borders everywhere a threat (we are practically surrounded ..) I am silent about the internal "fifth column" it has always been in Russia and is waiting for the command "you" ..Russia is a unique country, not like not one in the world with enormous riches and a multinational people .. Difficult times are coming .. Enough to talk languages ​​.. Our ancestors will not forgive us if we hand over Mother Russia !! I'm a little emotional ..
    1. Karabin
      Karabin 12 July 2013 20: 08 New
      13
      Quote: MIKHAN
      .Our ancestors will not forgive us if we surrender mother Russia !! I'm a little emotional ..

      We are handing it over in stages, step by step: perestroika - Bialowieza booze - privatization - consolidation of the results of privatization - WTO - privatization-2. The last 13 years under the sauce of sovereignty and the patriotic purr of Putin and his nightingales.
      1. Igarr
        Igarr 12 July 2013 21: 43 New
        +3
        And who will be .. OUR ANCESTORS ... to ask?
        Aren't we?
        It’s not me - it’s MIKHAN writes - "... Stop talking tongues .. Our ancestors will not forgive us if we .."
        .
        And OUR descendants ... will be a damn thing, it seems -
        we asked there ANCESTORS, did not ask ...
        .
        they will all .. because ... BLUE LIBERASTS ...
        if we will ... clave the clave.
  20. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 12 July 2013 17: 35 New
    +2
    Guys, I'm not a fan of Stalin, Putin, liberals ... I am for Russia, indivisible and strong, both politically and economically. Now I think it's not worth shaking the boat (the time is alarming war smells ..) Just look at what is happening at our borders everywhere a threat (we are practically surrounded ..) I am silent about the internal "fifth column" it has always been in Russia and is waiting for the command "you" ..Russia is a unique country, not like not one in the world with enormous riches and a multinational people .. Difficult times are coming .. Enough to talk languages ​​.. Our ancestors will not forgive us if we hand over Mother Russia !! I'm a little emotional ..
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  21. buzuke
    buzuke 12 July 2013 17: 39 New
    -1
    some kind of stream of consciousness
    1. washi
      washi 12 July 2013 18: 23 New
      -3
      As I understand it, directions are needed in these flows.
      if flows from hemp, it is better from DV and CA and KZ,
      Poppies - CA, Caucasus - bad.
      But in general buzuke are you talking about?
      Or is it lacking in thrust to develop an opinion, justify and lay out?
      1. buzuke
        buzuke 12 July 2013 18: 56 New
        +1
        Yes, I actually about the article ... and what are you talking about? that’s exactly what I’m missing; it’s your comment
  22. Gloomy
    Gloomy 12 July 2013 17: 53 New
    +7
    Is the author the very Misha Khazin who so effectively managed the Russian economy as the Deputy Head of the Economic Directorate of the President of Russia from 1997 to June 1998? Which SO managed that the country collapsed in default?

    Large specialist !!!

    And this, - a liberal from liberals and from the flesh of liberals, now has blundered off the ground and reincarnated as fighters against liberalism and has gained the audacity to give advice to the Head of State?

    Oh, these disgraced and divorced from the "trough" liberal Kasandras, their eco is snagging from envy of the competitors who have held on to power.

    Ready to eat each other, like scorpions in a bank.
    1. Tverichanka
      Tverichanka 12 July 2013 21: 55 New
      -1
      Quote: Moody
      eco wrinkles them about

      Well, that’s how it really is. And in connection with the foregoing, one can only be surprised that there are always people seriously discussing this nonsense. The fact that the huge number of people on the site have a negative attitude towards Putin is not wonderful! everyone likes or understands his position. However, it is simply impossible to admit NOTHING of what has been done. Clear business, there is something to criticize him for. But it’s certainly not for Khazin to define Putin. How many unjustified forecasts were there from Khazin himself? but don’t dawn there! Is he responsible for anything? So the whole article is just blah blah blah. There’s nothing to comment on.
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  24. optimist
    optimist 12 July 2013 17: 55 New
    +3
    And one more "picture" on the same topic ...
  25. vadimN
    vadimN 12 July 2013 18: 03 New
    +7
    "To keep power, Putin must cleanse it of liberals"

    ... is it from myself or something ??? Didn’t he appoint all these governments, which, you see, suddenly became his opponents? It’s just that there was complete discord in the economy and domestic politics, and Putin urgently needed the extreme ones to stay clean himself.
  26. individual
    individual 12 July 2013 18: 04 New
    +3
    I fully share the thoughts and anxieties of M. Khazin.
    Liberals constitute the "fifth column", that is, the network structure of the West to oppose the development of Russia.
  27. Jarserge
    Jarserge 12 July 2013 18: 04 New
    10
    The title is incorrect. To save the country it is necessary to shoot liberals. So rather
    1. does it
      does it 12 July 2013 20: 53 New
      +1
      Quote: Jarserge
      The title is incorrect. To save the country it is necessary to shoot liberals. So rather

      To do this, you would first have to shoot all the "democrats" because behind this mask there are liberals, once do not be afraid of the enemy, be afraid of "friends".
  28. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 12 July 2013 18: 10 New
    +5
    How some people like to separate Putin from all the bad things in the country. something like a good king and bad courtiers. Who is this statement intended for? To simpletons? by which everything that you don’t sweat is taken at face value. Only the author is far from the people, he does not know that people do not believe the king, nor God, anyone. And they will not believe until a glimpse of justice appears in the country. But apparently a glimpse or even a spark will not appear for a very long time. To substitute the guilty, this method has been used since ancient times by rulers incapable of managing wisely. Therefore, they constantly found enemies, either external or internal.
  29. Revolver
    Revolver 12 July 2013 18: 19 New
    +3
    Putin is somewhat smarter than some people think. He will not remove the liberals for one simple reason: he himself will then be eaten by conservatives. And for the same reason, he will not remove conservatives (this refers to the whole wing, not individual individuals). Putin, as indeed any leader, benefits from balance, the left wing and the right wing butts, and he tackles them from the height of his Olympus.
  30. makarich26
    makarich26 12 July 2013 18: 21 New
    +6
    Quote: Vasya
    Local government - please. Governors - please. Supervisory board for the cops - please.

    Vasya, are you normal? So big, but you believe in fairy tales.
  31. Lecha57
    Lecha57 12 July 2013 18: 27 New
    -1
    I believe that hardly anything will help him.
  32. allosaurus
    allosaurus 12 July 2013 18: 31 New
    +3
    I don’t respect either Khazin or Delyagin and do not like to listen and read. listen, because both of them, as they say, have fictitious effects, but read because they are both verbose, well-meaning and broadcast not for you and me, but for ourselves, smart, and we, say, are fools, listen and listen. stands, damn it.
    1. Igarr
      Igarr 12 July 2013 19: 05 New
      0
      I liked the fast pangolin, I liked it.
      Not the first time, by the way.
    2. Yura
      Yura 12 July 2013 20: 22 New
      -2
      Quote: allosaurus
      pancake.

      I join, clogging up people's brains, covering with words not always clear goals pancake.
  33. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 12 July 2013 18: 34 New
    +3
    The head of state, in general, should mainly deal with foreign policy upholding the position of the state .. But the head of the government should rush around the country and all his ministers and not for the television set .. Personnel policy .. I think a lot will be decided .. now there’s a shuffling of cards .. Change a deck in the government needs !!! all speckled .. Especially all the aces .. Kosygina remembered .. The case man !! (Rest in peace..)
    1. Karabin
      Karabin 12 July 2013 20: 10 New
      +2
      Quote: MIKHAN
      You need to change the deck in the government

      Putin has one deck, already quite battered and greasy.
  34. tt75tt
    tt75tt 12 July 2013 18: 42 New
    +3
    Many believe that Putin is the tsar-father of Russia. But this does not happen. Sobchak’s student is unlikely to become our leader.
    1. user
      user 12 July 2013 19: 26 New
      -8
      Well, firstly, he has not made major mistakes lately.
      Well, except for the appointment of the Prime Minister.
      And secondly, look at all who plow, he doesn’t touch,
      Yes, and I think the manager’s bench is not just short,
      he simply doesn’t have it. Here is his main problem,
      although what a problem if he created it himself, well, do not take seriously the transfer of the head of the workshop of Uralmash to the representative of the president.
      So this is a PR of pure water, and not the most successful one.
      This is a series of every housewife can rule the state.
      Well, maybe it will carry .... .
      1. Karabin
        Karabin 12 July 2013 20: 13 New
        +7
        Quote: user
        Well, firstly, he has not made major mistakes lately.

        WTO Or is it nothing to do with it again? Or is the WTO good?
        1. Dober
          Dober 13 July 2013 00: 01 New
          +3
          Quote: Karabin
          Or is the WTO good?

          WTO is just a slow, sophisticated asphyxiation of precisely those "who plow" (figuratively) by the expression "user"And good for the hucksters!
          TVs and computers should become cheaper by 15%. Isn't this one of the "enticements" that was poured on. Veschi are undoubtedly very popular every day and extremely necessary for solving problems with demography, migration, housing and communal services, etc. fool laughing
          And that grub steadily rises in price, well, these are not the reasons for joining the WTO. This country you have is small, the people are lazy, the merchant is greedy and the climate is not suitable ... belay
          And who praised the WTO? Many, incl. and Putin ... But they do not report about "those who plow", and they themselves do not see - they look at sports arenas and try on skullcaps on sabantuyas, like kippahs in Israel ...
          1. sleepy
            sleepy 13 July 2013 06: 38 New
            0
            Quote: user

            "Well, first of all, he hasn't made any major mistakes lately."


            The President of Russia signed a list of instructions following the results of the special program “Direct Line with Vladimir Putin”,
            Held on April 25, 2013.

            "... 12) develop and submit to the State Duma of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation a draft federal law providing for the simplification of procedures and reduction of the time for consideration of applications
            on admission to the citizenship of the Russian Federation from compatriots - native speakers of the Russian language, whose relatives in a direct ascending line previously lived in the Russian Federation and the USSR
            provided that they move to a permanent place of residence in the Russian Federation and renounce the citizenship of a foreign state.
            Deadline - September 15, 2013 ".
            http://президент.рф/поручения/18006

            The President approved the Concept of State Migration Policy of the Russian Federation for the period until 2025.
            http://президент.рф/acts/15635
    2. does it
      does it 12 July 2013 19: 37 New
      +1
      Quote: tt75tt
      Many believe that Putin is the tsar-father of Russia.

      My dear! you listen to the propaganda less. These are millionaire monarchists who think that if they manage to push their idea into power, then having come to Tsar Putin, having jumped, drowned with hands and feet, they will require for their personal use the principality-county-duchy with dozens of other cities and resources. I was fantasized.
      1. Igarr
        Igarr 12 July 2013 21: 53 New
        0
        User, are you seriously ... - about the lack of managers?
        .....
        Well well...
        There is no need to manage !!!!
        Here it is necessary, "..that the hand was firm,
        ................... here fear should not give advice .... "
        ..
        Cook .... no one talks about the cook. But, any HONEST person will not do worse.
        And all business.
  35. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 12 July 2013 19: 12 New
    0
    Quote: tt75tt
    Many believe that Putin is the tsar-father of Russia. But this does not happen. Sobchak’s student is unlikely to become our leader.

    Russia has such a property of overthrowing and destroying its rulers, kings of the presidential secretaries-general .. If they harm Russia .. And this rebellion is cruel and merciless .. Now I think the rebellion will be against the media and all the gorlopans then will smoothly move to those who are mired in corruption .. and it all starts from the province ... But if some again hope to catch the conditions in the muddy water .. it's useless !! Russia will return all its money with interest ..
    1. Dober
      Dober 13 July 2013 00: 25 New
      +5
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Russia has such a property of overthrowing and destroying its rulers, the tsars of the presidential secretaries-general.

      More precisely it was! This is about the kings, but about the general secs there and without R-O-S-S-I-I got along. And who overthrew? Those who had something to lose. Now you, I, he has some "material values" that were acquired recently, ie. under the PRESENT government. Who wants to lose this little ...
      Russia and Egypt have nothing in common in terms of organizing revolutions. Both the oppressed class and those dissatisfied with the changes of late have come to the square there. And in Russia, visible stability, actively supported by the media.
      While all sorts of "khazins" are chatting out of the zombie box and the "khazanovs" make faces in Russia, Riots will occur, like the recent one in Voronezh, when farmers went with a pitchfork to the administration, taking away their livestock under the pretext of fighting the "swine plague", or the day before yesterday in Pugachevo ... The authorities will suppress with varying degrees of cruelty, the people will become embittered and again stare at the snotty TV shows, giggling at the Yumorists, listening to the "Jewish clever people / bawdy leaders", but they will not qualify for a revolution!
      Just think who in the west or east needs a dead, fat cow called Russia. For the "chicken legs and brisket" you still have to gnaw at each other. Who would like these perspectives. Isn't it easier to continue to calmly pull her tits, shaking oil and gas milk. And for this we need a POPULAR CATTLE in the people, able to lead having an approach to the cow and milk connoisseurs at the same time.

      "Affectionate chick sucks two tits"
      /people. proverb/
      1. Black
        Black 13 July 2013 01: 08 New
        +1
        Quote: Dober
        The power will suppress with varying degrees of cruelty, the people will become embittered and again stare at the snotty TV shows, giggling at the Yumorists, listening to the "Jewish clever people / bawdy leaders"

        No matter how bitterly, I agree with you.
        "there are few real violent, so there are no leaders ..."
        Just as the "class theory" is not slow, but there is no such group of people who could resist the fooling.
        The Communist Party merged the USSR and turned into a political education and teaching department. It is indecent to talk about other "forces".
        Famous people tried to raise an army, but we are not in Egypt. The army in Russia is not a politician.
        Lumpen do not do politics.
        The swamps got along with their leaders ..im now not even croaking.
        GDP is unshakable.
  36. MAG
    MAG 12 July 2013 19: 15 New
    +1
    It’s necessary to remove not only liberals, but also part of the licking elite who looks into Volodka’s mouth and does everything to make him look at them less and for now they are stealing along with the liberals.
    1. Kir
      Kir 12 July 2013 20: 22 New
      0
      The lackeys of the terrible so-called creative and other positions will be, the first will surrender.
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  37. honest jew
    honest jew 12 July 2013 19: 19 New
    +7
    Quote: Canep
    In the early thirties, the Stalinist economy set world records for growth in spite of the great depression in the west. These records are still not broken.
    1. Dober
      Dober 13 July 2013 00: 43 New
      -2
      And what is meant by this "visual agitation". I hope it's clear that there are images of Jews. And the appeal can be interpreted in two ways.
      Maybe someone is delighted to talk over the muddy swamp called "anti-Semitism"?
      Simply put - thickly troll the forum?
      Or, under a nickname, not a Jew, or a Jew, but far from honest?
      A lover of provocations? fool
      And how did the "plusors" understand the meaning?
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  39. Skifo
    Skifo 12 July 2013 19: 45 New
    +2
    Here is a patriotic video in the topic! Already breathtaking! Wow!


    1. Gloomy
      Gloomy 12 July 2013 20: 49 New
      0
      True MURLO of Mr. Mikhalkov - Migalkin - lackey, "nobleman" and sybarite:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFOIe0eJMXI

      And in no way, with an icon, and no obscene-pseudo-patriotic pathos balcony you can’t cover it.
      1. Skifo
        Skifo 12 July 2013 21: 06 New
        +1
        where is the song "Russian partisan"?
        1. Skifo
          Skifo 12 July 2013 22: 08 New
          0
          UGRUMUM-No need to juggle out of context! Mikhalkov is not the best, of course, personification ... I think he got into the video only as a character in the film and the frame is suitable, and not as an embodiment of patriotism ...
    2. 225chay
      225chay 12 July 2013 22: 04 New
      +1
      Quote: Skifo
      Here is a patriotic video in the topic! Already breathtaking! Wow!


      Hmm .. I’m giving birth when I saw a migalkov so sick ... Who does he not represent? either a landowner or an emperor. he probably wore a uniform with boots only in the movies and wore
      1. Skifo
        Skifo 12 July 2013 22: 10 New
        -1
        I wrote that it wasn’t in Mikhalkov, the lyrics meant breathtaking!
  40. knn54
    knn54 12 July 2013 19: 48 New
    +3
    To maintain power, Putin must ... become Stalin, whose FORCE was in the popular support and Putin needs the same. History shows that GDP can be destroyed by "rotting" associates or the so-called the opposition, the State Department’s woman from the NGOs (not to be confused with the opposition is normal, democratic, there is one). Russia will survive, Putin will survive. I think he understands this. And the fact that positive things are happening in the Russian Federation eloquently testify to the stories about how Putin robbed the country, about his untold wealth, about the extinction of a people that died out under Yeltsin much faster.
    To ensure order, WILL on the part of the authorities is enough.
    PS ... Putin must cleanse her of the liberals. And build a highway, at least the Rublevka-Magadan road.
  41. Alexanderlaskov
    Alexanderlaskov 12 July 2013 19: 49 New
    +1
    I do not like Nabiullina. Kudrin also did not like. Julie. All money goes offshore. Where does the state get money.
  42. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 12 July 2013 19: 52 New
    -1
    Quote: honest Jew
    Quote: Canep
    In the early thirties, the Stalinist economy set world records for growth in spite of the great depression in the west. These records are still not broken.

    You all make fun of yourself together with the "professor" .. heh heh You know how to subtly pin up .. no words ..
    1. Dober
      Dober 13 July 2013 00: 51 New
      +1
      Quote: MIKHAN
      You all make mistakes with the "professor" .. heh heh

      Usually a troll forum. This work is such, perhaps paid. Who will lead, then he will receive from administrators in a tambourine. And their posts have nothing to do with the problems and joys of Russia.

      http://topwar.ru/23382-platnye-internet-trolli-na-sluzhbe-gosudarstva-izrail.htm
      l
  43. stalkerwalker
    stalkerwalker 12 July 2013 19: 54 New
    +3
    They are, in fact, engaged in direct sabotage of his instructions.
    Uzhi wrote here, on VO, in the spring that either the GDP "frees" THEM from warm places (it does not matter who it is - liberals, conservatives. There is only one criterion in the government "You work for the country or against the country"), then they "liberate" them from the president's chair.
    The third option, "Pugachev's", is somehow sad to consider.
  44. Alexanderlaskov
    Alexanderlaskov 12 July 2013 20: 02 New
    0
    How long they will drink blood from us. Liberals are crooks. They must be driven to the west.
    1. Tverichanka
      Tverichanka 12 July 2013 22: 04 New
      -2
      Quote: Alexanderlaskov
      How long will they drink blood from us

      Stop trolling! Sick already! Have something to say on the topic?
  45. Sour
    Sour 12 July 2013 20: 09 New
    +3
    Do not exaggerate Putin's power, do not consider him omnipotent. He is forced to maneuver between different factions, such is the reality. He, like Stalin, cannot remove anyone and appoint anyone without disturbing the balance of interests on which the power rests. Yes, and Stalin could not do this until the mid-30s.
    Of course, Putin has a little more power in Russia than Obama in the United States. But it is much smaller than that of Stalin and even Brezhnev in the USSR.
    Of course, Putin can become a dictator. But for this it is necessary:
    1) Ignore possible foreign policy problems.
    2) And most importantly - you need to rely on the people. And here the most interesting question arises - is the people ready for this? I do not mean members of the forum, but namely the broad popular strata.
    Think and honestly answer this question.
    1. Tverichanka
      Tverichanka 12 July 2013 22: 10 New
      0
      Quote: Sour
      2) And most importantly - you need to rely on the people.

      It’s impossible to neglect foreign policy aspects, it’s understandable, like two or two. And rely on the people .... And who exactly? What section of society? It’s not homogeneous. The one who sells slippers on the market has one interests, the one who lashes vodka — others, pensioners — this is the third layer ... well, etc. In the USSR, society was more homogeneous and could not or did not want to save the country. The fact that everyone is smart in hindsight today does not cancel inaction in the beginning of the 90s .... So the question is not easy, on whom to rely?
  46. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 12 July 2013 20: 15 New
    -2
    Quote: MIKHAN
    Quote: honest Jew
    Quote: Canep
    In the early thirties, the Stalinist economy set world records for growth in spite of the great depression in the west. These records are still not broken.

    You all make fun of yourself together with the "professor" .. heh heh You know how to subtly pin up .. no words ..

    Well done, the photo was framed under the SAPER "I am commenting on the nasty one already without the photo, like ... you have nothing to do with hehe ... I'm amazed at your ingenuity ... Keep it up ... well ... well ...
  47. spirit
    spirit 12 July 2013 20: 26 New
    +1
    To keep power, Putin will protect Sobchak's team to the last. Or this team makes up a single organism with our "FAVORITE" Volodenka. These are symbionts wink
  48. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 12 July 2013 20: 39 New
    -2
    Quote: spirit
    To keep power, Putin will protect Sobchak's team to the last. Or this team makes up a single organism with our "FAVORITE" Volodenka. These are symbionts wink

    Cool comment especially about "symbionts"I already combed the back of my head ... gee gee
    1. sergo0000
      sergo0000 12 July 2013 23: 34 New
      -1
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Quote: spirit
      To keep power, Putin will protect Sobchak's team to the last. Or this team makes up a single organism with our "FAVORITE" Volodenka. These are symbionts wink

      Cool comment especially about "symbionts"I already combed the back of my head ... gee gee

      There are enough "writers" and provocateurs here. Do not be surprised. This is that! Some directly call for a forceful solution of the problem with the "Sobchakov stavlenik".
      And in life they run firms providing funeral services! hi Apparently after Ebna, the clientele decreased. laughing
  49. My address
    My address 12 July 2013 21: 23 New
    +2
    Children's article, if not worse.
    I do not understand the electrics and mechanics. But if I have a division with jammed bearings, or the engines do not enter the mode, I will immediately find who I need. Or they'll kick me out. But I will try earlier not from fright, from shame.
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    2. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 12 July 2013 21: 38 New
      +4
      Quote: My address
      I do not understand electrical and mechanics. But if I have a unit with stuck bearings, or the engines do not go into mode, I will immediately find someone I need. Or they will kick me out.
      1. My address
        My address 12 July 2013 21: 47 New
        +4
        And electricians with mechanics did not let down. My opinion was that there were no support services. What products do everything from cleaners. Who is good, who is bad.

        Like this. Therefore, they greet first with the pensioner, me. What I am proud of. And on the minuses to me ... In principle, my production epaulettes in two lumen, two stars. Deployed battalion. More than seven hundred.

        And I talk with visitors to the IN to transfer experience. I earned it hard, but I did not lick my backs, I did not set myself on my own, I never asked for bosses.
    3. Sour
      Sour 12 July 2013 22: 06 New
      -2
      Electricians have their own laws.
      The mechanics have their own.
      In power.
      Do not confuse these things. Again, the management of an enterprise is not yet power in the political sense.
      Sorry, but I'm a mechanical engineer by diploma (and I also have a couple of qualifications of a similar profile). But at the same time he worked in power structures and managed the enterprise. And I have the right to call your comment "childish, if not worse". What does the bearing have to do with it when talking about power and politics? Absolutely nothing to do with it. Politics is a clash of interests, power is the need to maintain their balance. And even if a politician goes to revolution, he must still maintain a balance between his associates. And there is no need to braid bearings and motors here. Not every good director can be a good governor or president. Bearings are one thing. And people (especially with ambitions, sponsors and associates) are different.
      1. Kir
        Kir 12 July 2013 22: 32 New
        +4
        Forgive me, unlike you, I was not in the leadership, but I agree with My address, and the fact that you cannot understand it says sorry about your level, as well as general phrases about balance and conflict of interests, and even Veteran My address (by at least this is clear from what he wrote) are respected to this day, and your former ones respect you, I mean all the employees and not those who are at the top.
      2. My address
        My address 12 July 2013 23: 32 New
        +4
        Not a plus or a minus for you. Understand. I am writing for people like you. For bearings and engines, this is an example. If the authorities in the country are shouting that there is no investment, but the gold and currency in other countries, what is it called? Please read MY OPINION. And also a mechanic ... I, under equal conditions, supported the mechanics. The electricians weren't very offended. They knew my opinion that even cats understand equipment, but the electrician sleeping over the circuit is reverently not touched.
  50. tomich
    tomich 12 July 2013 21: 35 New
    +5
    The sun-eating eats and eats, and the electorate will soon have another crisis, you’ll excuse me