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Volyn's tragedy: why "it is difficult to believe the Poles ..."

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Volyn's tragedy: why "it is difficult to believe the Poles ..."

20 June after two months of discussion, the Senate of Poland adopted a resolution accusing the "Ukrainian Insurgent Army" (UPA) of "ethnic cleansing with signs of genocide", which took place in 1943 in Volyn. In response, several deputies of the Ukrainian Verkhovna Rada announced the possibility of adopting a similar resolution with respect to the “Home Army” (AK), which was active in the same period.


The Polish Sejm, in its resolution adopted by unanimous acclamation without a voting procedure as early as 2009, stated that the OUN / UPA carried out an “anti-Polish action — massacres that had the character of ethnic cleansing and had signs of genocide”, stressing that “honors the memory of the Home Army soldiers , Self-defense of the Eastern Lands and the Peasant Battalions, which have risen to a dramatic struggle to protect the Polish civilian population. "

Today, on the occasion of the 11th anniversary of the Volyn massacre on July 70, a draft resolution has been prepared in the Polish Sejm that qualifies the mass atrocities and killings of Poles by Ukrainian gangs from the UPA as “genocide”. However, the ruling Civil Platform intends to exclude this definition from the text. Simply put, official Warsaw seeks to shut up and twist historical the truth for the sake of the political situation - so as not to spoil the game before the Vilnius Summit of the Eastern Partnership and not create obstacles to drawing Ukraine into its sphere of influence under the pretext of "joining Europe". With this article in two parts we will try to answer the question: why today penniless politicians neglect the memory of many tens of thousands of Poles - victims of Ukrainian fascists.

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Volyn tragedy is the peak of massacres of the Polish population of Western Ukraine by Bandera in July 1943. The planned nature of the action is confirmed by numerous documents, including German ones. However, we note that the Polish population had a chance to save their lives! Initially, the OUN / UPA sought to force the Poles to leave the “ethnic lands of Ukraine” with the help of “just terror”, without mass murder. Bandera officialdom "Before the battle" wrote in the July issue of 1943 for the year: "Let them go to build Poland on the Polish indigenous lands, since here they can only hasten their shameful death."

However, the local Polish population received an order from the leadership of the Home Army, which was subordinate to the London government, not to listen to the Ukrainians! Otherwise, Poland revived within the borders of 1939 of the year, will lose Volyn! It was this order that condemned thousands of Poles, who had submitted to it, to the terrible death of the nationalist beasts. The Polish leaders who gave this order were well aware of the likely consequences, since the systematic destruction of the Polish population by Ukrainian nationalists began in Ukraine from the first days of the Nazi occupation.

Already 30 on June 1941, Deputy Bandera Yaroslav Stetsko and others, proclaiming the creation of an “independent Ukrainian state” in the “capital of Halychyna”, accompanied it to a massacre of Polish and Jewish population of Lviv. Even the Hitlerites were frightened by the atrocities committed by the Ukrainian “allies”, who decided to put lackeys into the bloody initiative, sending the most zealous to the concentration camp. However, later they did not interfere with the process of mutual destruction of the Slavic “subhumans”. October 14 1942 OUN Bandera announced the creation of the UPA (Ukrainian Insurgent Army), and from that moment began the systematic destruction of the Polish population of Volhynia (which continued until the occupation of these territories by the Red Army in 1944 year).

The Polish leadership knew perfectly well how “sane” OUN people were. The official couriers of the London government and the AK command delegated to 1942 to negotiate with the leadership of the UPA on a joint struggle with Germany, Bandera not just shot, but tore alive horses. Still, the “Londoners” and the Akhovites constantly ordered the Poles not to listen to the threats of the Ukrainians!

Meanwhile, the OUN / UPA operation on “depolonization of the region” began to cover the entire territory along the pre-war border (September 1939) of Poland: by March 1943 - Sarnensky, Kostopolsky, Rovensky, Zdolbunovsky districts, in June - Dubna and Lutsky districts, in July - Gorokhovsky, Kovelsky, Vladimirsky, in August - Lublin (the most western) ...

Initially, the Ukrainians intended to simply “squeeze” the Polish population to the west. The operation, according to Polish historians, usually began with an ultimatum of demands on the Poles - immediately, within 48 hours, leave their homes and go beyond the Bug. But, as a rule, the Polish population did not submit to the Ukrainian ultimatums, bearing in mind the orders of their authorities from London and counting on the support of local AK troops. Those, in turn, hoped that punitive actions of Ukrainians would only join their ranks with the affected Poles ...

Then the UPA detachments, mobilizing the scum-fellows of both sexes from nearby Ukrainian villages (deserters, relatives of policemen and others), surrounded Polish villages and hamlets. With brutal beasts, they killed the inhabitants, burned down houses, churches, gardens, crops. They destroyed everything that gave way to fire — in order to deprive the Poles of the hope of returning to the frightening ashes of wastelands.

Often did not make a single shot! Just cut out the entire population - from infants to the elderly - with scythes, axes and knives. Memories of miraculously surviving people contain numerous testimonies of tearing out tongues, piercing eyes, hammering nails in the head, spitting out fruits from pregnant women, quartering, horrible abuse of corpses and subtle sadistic torture ...

Only from July to August, 1943, according to various estimates, was brutally destroyed from 35 to 85 thousands of people. Mostly - children, women and old people (the figures differ greatly, since they often include some of the victims of the previous and subsequent months). Bandera did not spare anyone. Together with the Poles, they killed all Russians, Czechs, Jews, Armenians ... A remarkable fact: the German command did not send their compatriots to these actions, fearing for their psyche. Participation took only Ukrainian Bandera-scum of the Galician fascist movement.

Meanwhile, the leadership of the Craiova Army sent orders to its compatriots: do not leave the villages and villages, this is Polish land! For cynicism, they can be compared only with the statements of some modern Polish figures like Richard Shavlovsky. Acknowledging that “although the Volyn massacre was the most cruel: all Poles were destroyed - from infants to old people, the most sophisticated and inhuman torture was used”, these figures assert that the German Nazis and ... the Soviet regime were guilty of genocide! The one whose army stopped the systematic destruction of the Polish population and whose partisans (sometimes shoulder to shoulder with AK fighters) defended Polish villages in Western Ukraine.

The Craiova Army, contrary to the contradictory orders of its own command, conducted a series of “retaliation” operations, including the so-called "Blind", when in revenge destroyed innocent peasants just because they are Ukrainians. The action of the Lviv division of AK on sabotage in April 1944 of the year was the most brutal. Carried out in the framework of the Polish offensive launched a month earlier, coordinated with the operations of the 27-th Volyn division of the AK behind the Bug. Within the framework of this action alone, which was accompanied by massive arsons of Ukrainian villages, the victims of the civilian population reached, according to some sources, several thousand people. The total number of Ukrainians killed in retaliation for the actions of the UPA ranges from 10 to 20 thousand, plus the murders of Ukrainians in the Hrubieszow region in Poland.

Ukrainians were killed not only by the akhovtsy, but also by the Poles who had survived the Volyn Massacre, especially for this purpose they joined the police and gendarme formations. Today, leading Polish publications and authors like Rafal Zemkevich explain this by the fact that “people who lost all their relatives, who died a painful death, sometimes had a mad thirst for revenge. There were quite a few Poles who, for its commission, joined the ranks of the German formations in order to take part in the destruction of the Ukrainian population. The murders of Ukrainians committed and groups of underground Poland. However, the scale of such events was incomparably smaller than the calmly planned and systematic genocide of the OUN-UPA in July 1943, when the intensity of the terror reached its peak, its fighter units appeared in more than 500 settlements.

Polish politicians are trying to play with the historical truth and receive dividends even from the tragedy of their own people. They ignore the blame of their predecessors for the bloody massacre in Volyn, lying on the London government, which had no way to stop the scum of the OUN / UPA, but still ordered the leadership of the Home Army to prevent the evacuation of Polish civilians to Poland. Most of the people who were brutally tortured in Western Ukraine were descendants of localized inhabitants of the south-west of the “Russian” part of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, Russian and Zemite, who had departed Poland on the union 1569. That is why they have almost no relatives in today's Poland who are able to seek truth and justice from their two-faced rulers, seeking to incite hatred towards ... the USSR and present-day Russia, who have nothing to do with the Volyn massacre!

Aspiring to be honest in this matter, politicians, like former vice-marshal of the Polish Seym Yaroslav Kalinovsky, consider the events in Volhynia “a planned crime of the OUN-UPA”, which should be answered by “modern Ukrainian politicians”, and call for “to recognize the OUN-UPA and others Ukrainian nationalist organizations that collaborated with Germans and criminal organizations. ” But this is only half the truth. True, as the leading Polish publication “Rzeczpospolita” admits, is that “of the numerous crimes committed against the Poles in the 20th century, which became the century of genocide, the fate of this is special in that it is, perhaps, the only one that Poles voluntarily erase from memory ... It is difficult to believe the Poles when they declare that in the Katyn question they are only interested in the truth and not in politics, if at the same time in relations with Ukraine they refuse the truth just in the name of politics. ”


Volyn Massacre is one of the bloodiest episodes of the Ukrainian-Polish conflict in the mid-twentieth century. Polish historians interpret it as an anti-Polish action by the Ukrainian nationalists of the OUN / UPA. Researchers in Ukraine are trying to shift the focus on counter-anti-Ukrainian actions of the Home Army (AK) against the civilian population, including in Poland.

“Now, historians from the Ukrainian neo-fascism camp,” the Polish author writes, “are trying to appeal to the“ moral ”, so to speak, justification for the Volyn massacre: they say, for example,“ the plight of the Galician and Volyn populations in Poland between the two world wars ”. Such attempts are another evidence of the extreme moral degradation of modern Ukrainian neo-fascism. ”

A striking fact: during 20 and more than the existence of an independent Ukraine, none of its leaders publicly uttered words of repentance for the monstrous crimes committed by the Ukrainian fascists and did not publicly condemn the practice of exalting OUN / UPA today.

However, in Poland, dealing with historical memory is not much better.

On the 65 anniversary of the Volyn Massacre, the Polish authorities rejected in the Sejm a draft resolution prepared by the Peasant Party of Poland and containing the accusation of the OUN / UPA of the genocide of the Poles. Something similar is going to be done on the 70 anniversary, which falls on July 11. The then Polish President Lech Kaczynski did not take part in events dedicated to the tragic date, limiting himself to the duty letter to the participants. And the current Polish president, Bronislav Komorowski, declares that it is the fault of Volyn tragedy ... Soviet Russia. Such a statement is the height of cynicism and duplicity, if only because it was the Soviet partisans who defended the Poles from Bandera.

“It is difficult to justify the shameful pliability with which Poland rejects the truth, and some of the elites who form public opinion are hysterically reacting to any mention of the OUN or the use of the most appropriate word in this case,“ genocide, ”writes the central Polish publication Rzeczpospolita. - Instead of the truth, we have not been the first decade to have an outrageous performance, when those who have a good memory are shut up - and all this in the name of misunderstood geopolitics and “reconciliation” ... By agreeing to falsify history and oblivion the Volyn tragedy, the Poles do that which twice deserves the most severe condemnation. It’s a shame, because a crime requires truthful coverage, and reconciliation is worthless if it is based on a lie ”...


Lipniki, county Kostopopol, Lutsk province, 26 march 1943. 179 Poles, mostly women, old people and more than 50 children, aged from 1 to 14 years, were slaughtered here. Photo 1 - Janusz Biełowski (3 year), Roman Belawski (5 years), Jadwig BelAvska (18 years) and others. Photo 2 is the decapitated corpse of Yakub Varumzer. Photo 3 - the central fragment of the mass grave of Poles before the funeral at the People's House.


The ideologist of Ukrainian nationalism, Dmitro Dontsov, was an ardent admirer of the works of Mussolini and Hitler, who translated into Ukrainian and inspired the creation of the program of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (1929), the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA), which became its armed wing. According to Dontsov and his student Sciborsky, the creation of Great Ukraine “on the border of two worlds” requires the complete elimination of foreigners and the elimination of “racially bad” Ukrainians for the sake of “cleansing” lands for “racially good”: “Be aggressors and invaders before you can become rulers and holders ... Universal truth does not exist. "

Today, Dontsov’s followers are broadcasting the same “European future” of Ukraine with the same fanaticism.

The Polish delegation that visited Ukraine in the 1992 year, which received permission for research and exhumation in the field of events, had already discovered over 600 sites of mass graves of Polish victims of Ukrainian fascists. The total number of victims (the numbers fluctuate depending on what period is taken into account, because the killings took place over several years, July 1943 was only one of the peaks, when they simultaneously attacked and mostly destroyed along with the population above 150 Polish villages) ranges from 36.000 to 100.000 and more people. Mostly women, children, old people.


Corpses of Polish children: Zamoischizna, Lubelskie Province, 1942


"The Polish authorities and a significant part of the intellectual elites diligently contribute to the distortion of the memory of the Volyn tragedy, obscure the guilt of the ideology behind it ... Our circles, shaping public opinion, with great zeal pick up the propaganda thesis of the Ukrainian nationalists that crimes were mutual, symmetrical and it makes no sense to measure the guilt of each side. This thesis contradicts the facts, and is as monstrous as if a certain German politician addressed the Jews today with these words: in relations between our peoples it happened differently, you struck our army in the back during the war and robbed us during a big of the crisis, we later avenged this, well, maybe we’ve touched a bit, but now it’s time to forget the old disputes, to shake hands and never come back to it, ”writes Polish Rzeczpospolita.

Denouncing the Ukrainians, Polish authors for some reason forget about the blame for what happened and their then rulers. Who else but the leaders of the Polish government in London knew very well: what the Nazis called Politische Flurbereinigung (“political cleaning of the house”) did not begin on 1941 in Lviv, where Shukhevych, Oberländer, OUN and SD with bestial cruelty massacred Polish professors and the Soviet asset, not in August 1939, when the Abwehr created the Bergbauernhilfe subversive unit from 600 of the OUN in order to organize the anti-Polish uprising in Western Ukraine and its cleansing from “undesirable elements”, and not even in 1933 in Germany. And much earlier - in the First World War, when the Russophile intelligentsia and the peasants of Galicia and Volhynia were destroyed for their stubborn reluctance to refuse to consider themselves Russians.

The Nazis then was not. But there were executioners with Kholuy's kind - “nationally conscious” rural teachers, Uniate priests, future pilferers. This audience later commanded the zonderkommandami on the Eastern Front, the gendarmerie units in Ukraine. It is there that the sources of what Rzeczpospolita writes about should be sought: “What distinguishes the Volyn massacre from all known ethnic crimes is the incredible cruelty of criminals. Neither the Stalinist NKVD nor the Hitlerite Einsatzgtruppen were distinguished by the personal cruelty of the perpetrators. And the Rezuns of the OUN-UPA and other nationalist associations seemed to have a special passion for it. ”

Here are some testimonies from the FORGOTTEN GENOCIDE collection: Volyn Massacre of 1943-1944:


Photo 1 - Lubycha Krulevska, Rava Russkaya County, Lvivske Voivodeship. 16 June 1944.

Photo 2 - County Chortkow, Tarnopolskie voivodeship. Residents of the village of Polovtse in the Rosohach forest, hijacked by the UPA on the night of January 17, 1944. Clothing victims of the executioners stolen.


From Special Spokespersons for the UKR “Smersh” of the 1 of the Ukrainian Front, May 20, 1944

... The witness YANITSKY S. I. about KRICHKOVSKY showed:

“On the night of March 18, Ukrainian nationalists Bandera committed a massacre of Poles in sec. Graves They under the guise of Soviet partisans, in masks, broke into the houses of the Poles and made the most cruel mockery of them, cut them with knives, chopped children with axes, smashed their heads, and then burned to hide their crimes.

On that night, Bandera was tortured, stabbed to death and shot to 100 people. Soviet activists, Jews and Poles. That same night, my family was slaughtered - a wife, 17-year-old daughter and son. 15 nationalists broke into my house, among whom I recognized the Krychkovsky Bandera's Joseph Antonovich, who was directly involved in the murder of my family. ”

Checking the testimony of the witness YANITSKY in the forest near the Mogilnitsa of the Budzanovsky district, 94 of the corpse of the tortured inhabitants of the village of Nizhny was discovered in the pits The graves that were killed by nationalists on the night of 18. Iii. 44 of the year.

Central FSB. F. 100. Op. 11. D. 7 L. 231 – 234.

From the protocol of interrogation of the deputy commander of the smoking unit of the UPA "Kruk" Lev Yaskevich, September 28, 1949

... I remember that only in the village of Zabara of the Shumsky district we destroyed 10 or 15 families of the Polish population. I do not remember how many families were destroyed in other villages. It can also be said that the population that did not manage to completely leave the village, it was completely exterminated, with the extermination of the population did not pay attention either to the children or to the elderly, they destroyed everyone to the last - from young to old ...

YES SBU. F. 13. D. 1020. L. 214 – 220.

From the interrogation report of OUN member Vladimir Gorbatyuk, January 6, 1945

... When we arrived, there were already about 100 people from different Ukrainian villages ... Part of them was armed with real rifles, and the rest were what, shovels, and pitchforks ... Defenseless Poles could not offer resistance, they were beaten with anything on the street, in an apartment, in a barn, etc. Personally, I killed two Poles - men aged from 25 to 30 years.

YES SBU. F. 13. D. 985. L. 130 – 133.

From the record of the interrogation of the peasant Yuhim Orlyuk, July 26, 1944

... After that, after about one and a half to two weeks, Lutsyuk, Nedbailo, Fischuk and others gathered all the Ukrainian men into the Ovadnensky Forest, then in the evening they brought everyone to the village of Mogilnoye, lined everyone, and Lutsyuk said: "... Now we will go to kill of all Poles (living in the village of Mogilnoye), since the UPA government received an order to destroy all Poles ... ”

... Tachinsky's family consisted of 4 people, and was killed from the family of 3 people; the Shchurovskys' family of how many people were consisted - I don't know, but about 7 or 8 people, the 4 person was killed from their family. The Poles did not offer any resistance ...

... That night 11 Polish families were exterminated, but individuals from these families managed to escape. How many people were exterminated is unknown to me.

... On this night, all the Poles who were in the village, that is, adults, old people, children and even babies, were killed without exception.

Question: Who was personally killed by your group?

Answer: From the family of Tachinsky, the wife of Tachinsky Joseph, the son of 8-10 and the baby was killed. From the Shchurovsky family, Shchurovsky Antony was killed, two adult daughters of 18 – 20 years, I don’t know the names, and Shchurovsky’s wife Anthony, about the years 50.

... I know that the property and livestock of the Poles were partially disassembled by the population, and the best part was horses, 10 cows, about 10 pigs and the best property was immediately taken by Bandera.

YES SBU. F. 13. D. 1020. L. 136 – 143.

Original, manuscript.

From the protocol of interrogation of UPA fighter Vladimir Dubinchuk, 6 August 1941 of the year

... When the accomplices were near the cart, I ran into the house of Anton Soshinsky and shot the child for about 5 years. There were two more children in the room, but my remaining one cartridge misfired. After that, I left the apartment and reported Lupinka to Joseph, who gave me two bullets and an order to kill these children. I entered the room a second time and shot my second child about 2 of the year. At this time, Joseph went to Lupink's apartment and in my presence shot the third child, who was about 6-7 years old.

After the execution of the children of Soshinsky Anton, I, together with the bandits, returned in a village. Svichev, and we immediately drove to the estate of the citizen Yarmolinskaya Mayevskaya. I and Lupinka, Joseph Mayevskaya, were found in the next house, after which I was brought to her estate, where I personally shot her. We also left this corpse on the spot and drove to the village government building. The bandits Lupinka Joseph, Vasily Torchilo, Golumbitsky, I don't know one last name went to the Polish cemetery. There Lupinka and Torchilo killed citizen Dobrovolskaya, whose corpse was also left in place. Returning back, Lupinka entered the priest’s house, took the housekeeper, then started up the neighboring manor and shot her in the courtyard.

YES SBU. F. 13. D. 1020. L. 26 – 34.


Photo 1 - Katažinovka, Lutsk Voivodeship. 7 / 8 May 1943. The brothers Gvizdovskiy - Janek (3 of the year) with broken limbs and Marek (2 of the year), stabbed with bayonets. In the middle lies Stasia Stefanyak (5 years) with his tummy torn and outwards, as well as broken limbs.

Photo 2 - Podyarkov, Bobrka County, Lviv Voivodeship. 16 August 1943. The Kleschinsky family are married couples and two children. The victims had their eyes picked out, they were beaten on the head, they burned their palms, tried to chop off the upper and lower limbs, as well as brushes, inflicted stab wounds on the whole body, etc.

From the Special Communications 4 of the Directorate of the USSR NKGB from 4 August 1943

... During the liturgy in the churches of Bandera, 11 priests were killed and before 2 000 Poles were killed on the streets of the city.

Central FSB. F. 100. Op. 11. D. 7. L. 102.

From the interrogation report of the commander of the UPA Stepan Redeshi, 21 August 1944

... We surrounded the 5 of Polish villages and during the night and the next day we burned down these villages and the entire population, young and old, were massacred - a total of more than two thousand people.

My platoon took part in the burning of one large village and the village adjacent to this village. We cut about 1000 Poles.

... We threw many Poles - men, women, old people and children - alive into the wells, then finished them off with shots from a gunshot weapons. The rest were stabbed with bayonets, killed with axes and shot ...

Polish villages were burned in such a way that there were no traces of their existence and that the Poles never claimed the Ukrainian lands ...

YES SBU. F. 13. D. 1020. L. 164 – 176.


Ternopil Voivodeship, 1943. The so-called wreath of Polish children. The executioners strengthened such “wreaths” on each tree of the country road, over which a banner was hung with an inscription in Polish: “The road to independent Ukraine”.
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  1. Knizhnik
    Knizhnik 12 July 2013 14: 05 New
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    Tragedy is a tragedy; you cannot return the dead. Remember - it is necessary, do not forgive - it is possible, anger - the meaning for those who want to make political capital
    1. afire
      afire 12 July 2013 16: 23 New
      +7

      The shameful secret of Khatyn, a very instructive material, there is something to think about, the author has a series of films about various topicalities of the Baltic states during the Second World War. Take time for a story. I looked through it myself; I did not see the incitement and substitution of facts in the film.
      1. KiL
        KiL 12 July 2013 21: 04 New
        +1
        This truth must be written in the history textbooks for the school, and not pleasing to the ruling elite!
        1. Apologet.Ru
          Apologet.Ru 12 July 2013 21: 39 New
          +9
          hi
          Quote
          official Warsaw seeks to shut up and twist the historical truth for the sake of political conditions - so as not to spoil the game before Vilnius Eastern Partnership Summit


          This phrase is the explanation for everyone "why not genocide».

          In order for Ukraine to sign an agreement on associate membership in the Gay Union, i.e. in fact, recognized the final break with the Russian world, the Poles and hedgehogs with them will now make any concessions up to the recognition that there is no God but Bender, and Tyagnibok is his prophet, Tymoshenko is a living embodiment of the Virgin Mary, and Yanukovych is one of the Holy Apostles, but only only to “not frighten away” Ukraine from its “historical choice”. Which finally will realize all the centuries-old dream of the Western world about the breakup of the Russian.
          For such a "prize" the West is ready for anything ...
          1. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 12 July 2013 21: 46 New
            +6
            Quote: Apologet.Ru
            there is no God but Bender, and Tyagnibog is his prophet, Tymoshenko is the living embodiment of the Virgin Mary, and Yanukovych is one of the Holy Apostles

            Bravo!
            laughing
      2. cdrt
        cdrt 13 July 2013 00: 52 New
        +4
        Well, yes, under the USSR, it was a terrible secret that it was the Ukrainians who killed in Khatyn. And in Crimea - Armenians and Russian Crimean Tatars ... Friendship of peoples damn ...
        By the way, another symbol of the genocide is Babi Yar, also the work of Ukrainian heroes (... glory to the heroes - the national Ukrainian chant).
        By the way, those who were slaughtered in Khatyn are precisely those whom the Ukrainian authorities offered to read as heroes
    2. 225chay
      225chay 12 July 2013 22: 47 New
      +3
      Quote: Knizhnik
      Tragedy is a tragedy; you cannot return the dead. Remember - it is necessary, do not forgive - it is possible, anger - the meaning for those who want to make political capital


      the tragedy resembles the atrocities of Kosovo Albanians over Serbs ...
      Poles also excelled
      1. cdrt
        cdrt 13 July 2013 01: 06 New
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        And they had to kiss the Ukrainians for what was done? The natural reaction of any normal person is to cut those who cut yours ...
        1. sleepy
          sleepy 13 July 2013 01: 42 New
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          Quote: cdrt
          "The natural reaction of any normal person is
          to cut those who cut yours ... "


          If only as a self-defense, and so you yourself can be brutalized.
          The natural reaction of a normal person is a sense of justice
          and faith in the law.
          Here in China they believe in the inevitability of punishment for drug dealers ...
          even drug dealers appear in China, but still the Chinese
          believe in a fair trial of drug dealers.
        2. yak69
          yak69 13 July 2013 01: 44 New
          +3
          You can figure out for a long time who is right, who is to blame, and there will be no end to this analysis. In this case, there will be no end to the mutual hatred and cruel bestial anger of the “righteous avengers”. And so it will be until there is no one left on Earth.
          People, if you are still people, come to your senses! Someone wise should stop generating this revenge and violence, mutual anger and the desire to kill.
          Sometimes it seems to me that if there was no one to avenge, then they would just kill under any pretext. The killing of man by man has no excuse. And killing a child - only nonhumans are capable of it! Even in my thoughts I can’t imagine that you can raise your hand at the children, in the name of anything.
          Yes, you can and should defend your country and your family from attacking enemies. But to kill not in battle, just in a fight, from mutual hatred and anger, this means will turn into a demonic animal, because even predatory animals do not kill without the need and danger.
          And those who committed all the atrocities described in the article cannot be considered people. These are no longer people. And not animals. This is the fiends of hell! And may they be damned forever, without the possibility of forgiveness!
          1. yak69
            yak69 13 July 2013 01: 57 New
            +3
            My father and my paternal grandfathers come from Zdolbunovsky district, Rivne region. I heard stories about many events, as they say, firsthand. Me, the history of the Second World War and the topic "Friendship of Peoples in the USSR" relates directly. And I am slowly collecting material about this period of the life of our country.
            If it works out, I’ll write an article completely based on facts, without political conjuncture and personal assessments.
  2. knn54
    knn54 12 July 2013 16: 17 New
    +7
    On Catholic Christmas in 1942, a Polish detachment attacked the village of Peresopovichi. AKovtsy mocked the corpses of Ukrainians, a holiday, however ...
    And one of the representatives of the Polish emigration government wrote that the Ukrainians "destroy the Poles who are in German service (!!!) The killings were caused by the desire for revenge on those who served the Germans, opposed the interests of the local population."
    In the summer of 1943, the main stage of the bloody drama begins. The OUN and the UPA decide to exert pressure on the Polish population of Volyn, forcing them to voluntarily leave for ethnic Polish lands. In July 1943, the journal “To Arms” wrote: “Let Poland go to build Polish indigenous lands, since here they can only accelerate their shameful death.” On August 15, 1943, the UPA adopted a decree on the transfer of the former lands of Polish landowners and colonists to the possession of Ukrainian farms. An ultimatum to the Poles was put forward: leave the village for 48 hours. The Krai Army issued a counter-order: not to leave the territory, otherwise Poland will lose Volyn ...
    The report of AK for 1943, recorded ... that in Volyn killed 15 thousand Poles and about 12 thousand Ukrainians.
    1. washi
      washi 12 July 2013 17: 37 New
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      Yes, you are worth each other. Guilty, psheki. And both have Jews and Russians.
      Where is the indignation of Israel. Why is Germany to blame for the genocide of Jews and Russians, and the Poles, Baltic, Galicians, French, Hungarians and the rest of the little things are not guilty of this?
      Why have Jews (Jews please do not be offended) since the beginning of the 20th century killed more Russians than Nazis did, but they do not want to apologize? Where are the apologies from the Latvian riflemen and the Czechoslovak corps? Where are the apologies for the occupation of 1917-1920? Where are thanks from the Bulgarians, Serbs, Croats for liberation from the Turkish occupation? Where thanks from Georgians, Armenians, Azerbaijanis, Kazakhs? They shone complete destruction.
      1. andsavichev2012
        andsavichev2012 12 July 2013 18: 21 New
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        Vasya, read more about the history of your native country and Europe, the current is not on the Internet ...
        1. smile
          smile 12 July 2013 19: 58 New
          +4
          andsavichev2012
          In the article, quite rightly, modern Bandera people are called neo-fascists ... but then what are the Poles then? Their state policy is exactly the same. like the one you would like. to be in Ukraine ...
          The article says, "the Poles with historical memory are a little better" than the Bandera people ... why the "few"? Which is better? The same beast that destroyed the Russians. Ukrainians, Belarusians and Jews since the 20s! Moreover, with the support of the state ... all these 20 years until 39 years old non-Polish villages were periodically burned. non-Poles were shot, culture and education were destroyed ... strict polonization was carried out, lands were inhabited by siegemen ...
          The first peak of the mutual carnage occurred back in 41 - the authors talk about it ... they burned villages from each other, killed people by the same methods ... moreover, both sides equally killed Russians and Jews .... they have almost everything in common .. .
          AK almost never stood shoulder to shoulder with the Red Army ... yes. our bad ones protected their civilians from both AK and Bandera ... and it was Bandera and AK who shot ours in the back .....
          In general, they are absolutely identical ... they even attribute photographs of the same corpses to their victims ... however, the Poles can’t get used to it - one Katyn swindler is worth it, they have a lot of experience ...

          And the article is magnificent, with very accurate assessments of the modern policies of both sides. THANKS!

          Vasya,

          for once I’m shoulder to shoulder with you, like a Bandera with AKovets against the Russians ... :))) Do not drive them out of action? :))) I wanted to write this to you. but it turned out to your opponent ...
        2. smile
          smile 12 July 2013 20: 04 New
          +2
          andsavichev2012
          Judging by your indignation, you yourself "about the history of your native country and Europe" (no, please rate the phrase, but :))))) didn’t read yours .... :))) Well, or limited yourself to the propaganda journal New Poland "... it is distributed free of charge in the Kaliningrad region. Without advertising ... Pure, like Polish hatred of Russians, propaganda. :))) You won’t even be able to push him - very expensive coated paper. better. than in "Around the World" ... :)))
      2. KiL
        KiL 12 July 2013 21: 06 New
        +3
        the "impudent rskie" are to blame, maybe "them" enough to free everyone, it's time to free ourselves from "them"!
      3. cdrt
        cdrt 13 July 2013 01: 09 New
        +2
        Well, actually, Israel was among the few countries that openly resented at the level of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs the exaltation of both the Ukronazists and the Baltic states. Actually together with the Russian Federation
  3. 3030
    3030 12 July 2013 16: 27 New
    15
    Rotten creatures, that those that are, and today they remained the same!
  4. serge-68-68
    serge-68-68 12 July 2013 16: 28 New
    -17
    As part of World War II, everyone has a stigma in the cannon.
    1. washi
      washi 12 July 2013 17: 38 New
      +3
      Surnames, positions, and why.
    2. smile
      smile 12 July 2013 20: 10 New
      +3
      serge-68-68
      What have we climbed into fluff? Please justify.
      1. serge-68-68
        serge-68-68 12 July 2013 20: 34 New
        -11
        Attack on Finland. The occupation of the Baltic states. The annexation of Bessarabia and Northern Bukovina. Partition of Poland along with fascist Germany. Is it necessary to speak about repressions against people living there?
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 12 July 2013 20: 35 New
          +6
          Quote: serge-68-68
          Partition of Poland with Nazi Germany

          Section? Or maybe access to the internationally recognized Curzon Line?
          1. serge-68-68
            serge-68-68 12 July 2013 20: 55 New
            -7
            Just in case - Curzon's note was rejected by Soviet Russia. And in 1939 did not match her. With regard to other positions, no questions?
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 12 July 2013 21: 06 New
              +4
              Quote: serge-68-68
              Just in case - Curzon's note was rejected by Soviet Russia.

              And?
              1. serge-68-68
                serge-68-68 12 July 2013 21: 12 New
                -7
                For those who like to refer to "internationally recognized" lines, this means that Soviet Russia had no right to refer to this line as a basis for an attack on Poland. Yes, she did not refer to her, guided by agreements with Nazi Germany. And so as not to lead meaningless discussions, here are the reasons indicated by the USSR in a note on September 17, 1939:
                The Polish state and its government virtually ceased to exist. Thus, the treaties concluded between the USSR and Poland terminated. Left to itself and left without leadership, Poland turned into a convenient field for all sorts of accidents and surprises that could create a threat to the USSR. Therefore, being hitherto neutral, the Soviet government cannot take a more neutral attitude to these facts, as well as to the defenseless position of the Ukrainian and Belarusian population. In view of this situation, the Soviet government ordered the High Command of the Red Army to order the troops to cross the border and take under their protection the life and property of the population of Western Belarus and Western Ukraine.
                1. stalkerwalker
                  stalkerwalker 12 July 2013 21: 27 New
                  +7
                  Quote: serge-68-68
                  Soviet Russia had no right to invoke this line


                  Damn, again - twenty-five ...

                  The agreement between Poland and Germany of 1935 (the Bek-Ribbentrop Pact) provided for joint military operations against Soviet Russia (read - war), where the lands of Belarus and Ukraine were allotted to Poland "as a reward" for victory.

                  "The Russian intellectual is a poorly educated man who despises his people (and history)" - "The Gospel of the Executioner" Weiner Brothers.
                2. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 12 July 2013 21: 32 New
                  +8
                  Or maybe you still write why the note was rejected by Soviet Russia? Maybe because Poland was not going to fulfill this note, but unleashed an aggressive war with the aim of seizing the eastern territories? The city of Vilna was captured on January 1, 1919, and from this, in fact, it all started. Or are you a fan of the alternative version of the story in which the war begins in the middle, in the summer of 1920?
                  Poland grabbed something that did not belong to it, and it had to be given back. The same with Bessarabia. Romania shouldn’t open a mouth on it. As a result, they lost the freshly selected Northern Bukovina from Austria-Hungary.

                  With Finland, yes, it didn’t work out well.
                  1. serge-68-68
                    serge-68-68 12 July 2013 22: 09 New
                    -4
                    :) I am a lover of documents and facts. And not a fan of remembering all the sins of all peoples in relation to each other since the time of the stone ax.
                    I can cite the same Finland-USSR as an example of positive mutual cancellation of sins. After the Soviet-Finnish war, the Great Patriotic War broke out. Its extremely unsuccessful beginning for the USSR did not give Finland a reason for unwarranted aggression (although I certainly wanted to "recoup" for the just lost war). And after the defeat of the Nazis, the USSR did not forget this restraint, and in the future Soviet-Finnish relations were very good.
                    1. smile
                      smile 12 July 2013 22: 30 New
                      +6
                      serge-68-68
                      The Finns got exactly where they could! Or Petrozavodsk their original territory? :))) Even Finnish scientists recognize this ...
                    2. Avenger711
                      Avenger711 13 July 2013 00: 33 New
                      +3
                      What ??? Until the 44th year, Finland conquered, until they poked a dung with manure.
                    3. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 13 July 2013 00: 43 New
                      +4
                      Quote: serge-68-68
                      And not a fan of remembering all the sins of all peoples in relation to each other since the time of the stone ax.

                      So you can go far. For example, consider the beginning of the Great Patriotic War the moment of crossing the German border and on this basis declare it aggressive.


                      Quote: serge-68-68
                      After the Soviet-Finnish war, the Great Patriotic War broke out. Its extremely unsuccessful beginning for the USSR did not give Finland a reason for unwarranted aggression (although I certainly wanted to "recoup" for the just lost war).

                      Good morning. Don't you know that Finland entered the war with the USSR? What participated in the blockade of Leningrad? And what was lost not only for those territories that it gave after the third Soviet-Finnish, but also for Pechenga? What was the neutrality of Finland as a condition for maintaining independence and lack of sovietization?
                      1. ImPerts
                        ImPerts 13 July 2013 04: 08 New
                        +4
                        For a lover of history and documents.
                        "... Based on this, we can take a different look at the very start date of the Second World War. When did it begin? 1 of September 1939 of the year when Germany invaded Poland? But what about the Japanese invasion of China, as a result of which 1 million people died on September 1939 of September 20, is it a war or not a war? By the way, Noel-Baker, the representative of the British government in the League of Nations, at its final session officially declared that World War II began in the year 1931. Henry Lewis Stimson, American Minister of War Dents Roosevelt and Truman, who was Secretary of State under President Hoover, also writes in his memoirs that the Second World War began in September 1931, when Japan attacked Manchuria, but our historians and the wise politicians who echoed it decided that the Second World War began in 1939, shortly after the conclusion of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact.

                        Or another question. When did the Second World War actually end, that is, is the present holiday legitimate or not? We believe that on 2 of September 1945 at one o'clock two minutes Tokyo time the signing of an agreement on surrender by the Japanese government on board the battleship Missouri. But after all, US President Clinton declared in 1994 that World War II ended in 1991 with the collapse of the Soviet Union. What about this statement? ... "
                        http://www.fontanka.ru/2010/08/30/082/
                    4. cdrt
                      cdrt 13 July 2013 01: 19 New
                      +5
                      How interesting all the same. Cutting off the Polish war of 19-20 at the level of the end of the war, forgetting about the capture of Bessarabia by Romania, and when they took away the unjustly acquired from them after 19-20 years, is a crime. And to recall the fact that caused the seizure is to commemorate the sins of all times and peoples ...
                      Awesome logic.
                      About the intellectual above - everything is correctly written.
                      You can also say the words - I think Chekhov - do not call me an intellectual, I have a profession recourse
                    5. kartalovkolya
                      kartalovkolya 13 July 2013 09: 49 New
                      -3
                      My friend, I support your idea of ​​Finland: after all, the same Baron Mannerheim was an officer of the Russian General Staff and loved St. Petersburg very much, and he had good feelings for Russia. If you are honest to the end, you must admit that thanks to Mannerheim the Nazis it was not possible to create a second circle of encirclement around Leningrad. Of course, the main role was played by the courage and heroism of our soldiers. That is why we did not forget Nothing, and in the post-war years we treated Finland well!
                      1. stalkerwalker
                        stalkerwalker 13 July 2013 14: 53 New
                        +5
                        Quote: kartalovkolya
                        it must be admitted that thanks to Mannerheim, the Nazis were not able to create a second circle of encirclement around Leningrad

                        I'll pay you right now ... drinks
                        "Good Uncle Mannerheim" was a Finn, loving HIS Finland. But not Soviet Russia.
                        And the casket opens simply - somewhere in September of the 1941, the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Finland was called to the US Embassy, ​​where he was popularly explained what would happen to the country's economy if England and the United States cut off all supplies.
                        Here is the answer to the question about the actions of the Finnish army against the USSR. And no persuasion of the German command could not move the Finns from their places.
                      2. sleepy
                        sleepy 15 July 2013 01: 09 New
                        0
                        Quote: kartalovkolya

                        "... it must be recognized that thanks to Mannerheim, the Nazis failed to create a second
                        ring of environment around Leningrad. "


                        For many Leningrad residents, blockade was more than enough.
                        As for the German defensive fortifications around Leningrad, the Germans erected them without ceasing
                        before lifting the blockade, because they knew that there would be breakthroughs.
                  2. Fetel
                    Fetel 13 July 2013 00: 19 New
                    -5
                    Poland grabbed something that did not belong to it, and it had to be given
                    - Tell me, Lopatov, here in Ukraine there is such a city of Khust. He was NEVER Ukrainian. Do you think it should be given back to Hungary, along with other non-Ukrainian lands, because "Ukraine has grabbed something that does not belong to it"?
                    1. cdrt
                      cdrt 13 July 2013 01: 23 New
                      +2
                      This is already a matter of strength - if Hungary is strong enough to take it away, it will be given away, and for promises to help with EU accession, they will cut down more lands wink
                  3. Avenger711
                    Avenger711 13 July 2013 00: 33 New
                    +1
                    Finland a little hit. That dog was still there.
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            2. Avenger711
              Avenger711 12 July 2013 21: 08 New
              -2
              One question, are you stupid, or are you working out?
            3. cdrt
              cdrt 13 July 2013 01: 13 New
              +1
              Curzon's note was rejected by the RSFSR, is this justification for the legality of the Polish belonging of these lands? Is there anything stronger? And by the way, how did the war begin, as a result of which the Curzon line appeared?
        2. Avenger711
          Avenger711 12 July 2013 21: 08 New
          -1
          That is, putting pressure on the neck of the fascist Finnish regime is a crime, as well as the return of the territories occupied by Romania? You filter the bazaar. Repression against activists of hostile political regimes is necessary.
          1. serge-68-68
            serge-68-68 12 July 2013 21: 17 New
            0
            I didn’t pass pigs with you. Rot your fingers and try to “run the hair dryer” in front of friends. Learn to talk normally - ask questions, I will answer. :)
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          2. cdrt
            cdrt 13 July 2013 01: 37 New
            0
            Well, to be precise, still the Kayander government consisted of liberals and social democrats. And with Finland - the USSR simply took and attacked, fabricating the incident in Mineil. Maybe this was strategically justified, but this does not cease to be unprovoked aggression ...
            With Poles, Romanians - it’s just a restoration of justice.
        3. smile
          smile 12 July 2013 21: 14 New
          +4
          serge-68-68
          Briefly
          1. Finland. the return of a part of the territory (part) illegally torn away under the threat of war with ANTANTA as a preventive measure from a state created in violation of international law, which had been preparing for a coalition war of aggression for 20 years in order to implement the idea of ​​Great Suomi proclaimed by Mannerheim. Our actions, as it turned out, saved us from a complete disaster.
          2. The Baltic States. The return of the territory of the country, mainly purchased, partially conquered from Sweden, Poland as a result of their attacks and subsequent defeats in the wars unleashed by them.
          3. Bessarabia-the return of Romania captured by Romania, even contrary to agreements even with the Entente (and naturally contrary to international law) of the land. If you remember Great Rolmania according to their plans, included even Odessa. Bukovina, yes, a jamb. which can be considered compensation by the invader for his aggression in the twenties.
          4. Poland. The return of land seized as a result of a predatory war. The slogan of Poland, voiced by Pilsudski-Polsk from Helsinki to Tiflis !. Poland was preparing for territorial seizures of our land right up to the Black Sea. the pro-fascist party led by Colonel Jozef Beck (of Foreign Affairs) planned to seize our land along with the Nazis. The rest are with England and France. The aggressor got his. We freed Ukrainians, Russians and Belarusians from the most severe oppression of the Poles. My grandmother is a regiment, her father and uncle-legionnaire-siegemen, who received from Pilsuda land under Vilna captured from Lithuania.
          5.Repressions. A small example. In Lithuania, during the pre-war period, a part of more than 11 thousand people were deported ... according to the Germans, as a result, they lost 3000 people of their agents among the evicted ... in normal countries they would be shot and sent to concentration camps, we, bad ones, MOVED ... .Will we talk further?

          All of your simplest stamps are not worth a penny ... get into the site’s archives, there are huge layers of documents ... you’re tired of chewing everything like that for you ... it’s not enough. but occasionally appear and all again with the same cliches ... tired, honestly ...
          1. serge-68-68
            serge-68-68 12 July 2013 21: 35 New
            -1
            Meaningless conversation.
            Let me remind you that under the Moscow Peace Treaty of 1940, the USSR received MUCH more territories than it lost in the early 20s.
            Judging by your argument, I believe that you should agree with the territorial claims of Uzbekistan to the Russian Federation on the basis that once part of the current territory of the Russian Federation was part of the Golden Horde? Recently, one voiced them.
            And in response to courtesy: including because of people like you and others like you on the other hand, the Balts demand compensation for the "occupation", the Tatars, Ingush, Chechens, Western Ukrainians - "for genocide." And behind the backs of these "politicians" lovers like you "historians". :)
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 12 July 2013 21: 38 New
              +4
              Quote: serge-68-68
              Let me remind you that under the Moscow Peace Treaty of 1940, the USSR received MUCH more territories than it lost in the early 20s.

              The aggressor should have been punished.
              1. serge-68-68
                serge-68-68 12 July 2013 21: 50 New
                0
                Remind me - who attacked someone in the Soviet-Finnish?
                1. Apologet.Ru
                  Apologet.Ru 12 July 2013 22: 43 New
                  +3
                  hi

                  Once Mr. Serge-68-68 insists, I will try to open in more detail the issues for which he burns with righteous anger as a result of their incorrect interpretation by illiterate and biased colleagues in the forum.
                  So, first a little digression into history!
                  After the October coup of 1917, the Bolsheviks seized power in the country, which until then was called the Russian Empire. And the Soviets also called themselves the successor of the Russian Empire. It was in this capacity that the Soviets gave the peoples of Russia the right to self-determination. But it seems that Poland, having first used this right, immediately decided that it was she who was the successor to the Russian Empire. At least, the Soviet western army, whose task was to control the borders by entering the territory (not separated from Russia) of Belarus, stumbled upon some Polish troops - the “Committee for the Defense of the Eastern Outskirts”. The Polish leader, Pilsudski, who was just freed by the Germans from arrest and arrived in Warsaw by special train from Berlin, accompanied by a representative of the German government, recognizes these committees as the Polish army, especially since most of the Polish forces were already involved in the war with self-determined Ukraine. And the hostilities against the West Ukrainian People’s Republic began exactly two days after the declaration of independence of Poland. The same situation with the Baltic states - as soon as German troops left Vilna, the city was taken by the Poles.
                  The fighting of the 1919 of the year between the Polish army and the Red Army at first went with varying success, but after the intervention of the Entente, an agreement was concluded with the Germans not to oppose the Poles. As a result, the Poles began to successfully move eastward - both in independent Ukraine and Belarus, which had already firmly entered the federation with Russia - both Minsk and Kiev were taken. The Council of Ministers of Foreign Affairs of Great Britain, France, the USA, Italy authorizes Poland to occupy eastern Galicia - the administration of the Western Ukrainian People's Republic has been liquidated.
                  1. Apologet.Ru
                    Apologet.Ru 12 July 2013 22: 45 New
                    +2
                    Here it is appropriate to recall the assistance to the Poles of the American and French military missions, the full provision of military equipment, as well as entire military units in the form of air squadrons. It is necessary to recall London’s blocking of General Yudenich’s accounts, and Kolchak’s “military supplies” - when the French took the money for 500 aircraft, but didn’t return anything. At the same time, at the Paris Peace Conference of the Council of Ten (in January 1919), Poland demands recognition of the borders of the 1772 year, that is, all Lithuania, part of Latvia, large parts of Belarus and Ukraine should go to Poland. In the summer of 1920, Great Britain invited Soviet Russia to conclude a truce with Poland, on the basis that the eastern border of Poland would be established along its ethnic border - the so-called “Curzon line”. But to the Soviets, this alignment seemed unfair, which is why by the time the final treaty was signed in Paris, the border with Poland was still pushed east. Thus, the population of Poland increased by 6 million Ukrainians-Belarusians-Russians. In the same 1920 year, Poland draws up the accession of part of Silesia, Lithuania and tries to resolve the issue with the full accession of Belarus. Since Polish freedom and independence had very big plans, over the next decade sabotage groups were thrown from the territory of Poland into the Union, and Polish intelligence received the unofficial status of a branch of the English and especially French. Still (!) - it was precisely with French money that Poland started the war against Russia in 1918.
                    A noticeable revival of the foreign policy of Poland begins with the advent of Hitler in the 1933 year. In 1934, after the signing of the Polish-German agreement, a certain Goering arrived in Poland, known as the German Reich Marshal, who was discussing with Pilsudski the “special interest” of Poland in Ukraine, and Germany, respectively, in the Baltic states.
                    Poland responds to the Soviet-French initiative to create the Eastern Pact with a principled memorandum in which it renounces its obligations regarding the security of Lithuania and Czechoslovakia. Poland agrees to join the pact, but only jointly with Germany. When the Soviet-French and Soviet-Czechoslovak mutual assistance treaties were signed the following year, the Polish government took this as a personal insult. But in 1937, Goering’s negotiations with the Polish Foreign Minister very vigorously discussed the “right of Poland to have access to the Black Sea”. That is, the territories seized from Russia in the 1918 — 1921 years, by the 1937 year, Poland was already not enough. A year later, at the Polish-German talks, the topic of Poland’s interest in Soviet Ukraine is raised again. A month later, the Polish government is in a hurry to bring to Hitler its support for Hungarian claims to Carpathian Russia, in response to this, Hitler is in a hurry to bring to the attention of the Polish government that in the event of a military conflict between Poland and Czechoslovakia, Germany will sincerely and without remainder side with Poland. As you can see, the love of Poland and Germany is mutual, deep and in some ways even passionate.
                    In September of 1938, the “Munich Treaty” - between Germany, Italy, Great Britain and France - the fate of Czechoslovakia was finally decided. First, German troops were introduced into the Sudetenland, and in the spring of 1939 and throughout Czechoslovakia. The Soviet Union, naively waving an agreement on mutual assistance with Czechoslovakia, asks Poland to provide a corridor for the implementation of a peacekeeping mission. Shchass! Poland was not called to Munich, but it’s formalities, Poland already feels like the queen of the sea: two days after the conclusion of the Munich Treaty, Poland demanded the Czech Republic from Teschina in a formidable voice, and occupied it right there, under the guise.
                    1. Apologet.Ru
                      Apologet.Ru 12 July 2013 22: 48 New
                      +3
                      In January 1939, at the Polish-German negotiations in Warsaw, Poland already in the forehead asks for support for its plans to realize access to the Black Sea and take possession of Ukraine in exchange for joining the anti-Comintern bloc. Fascist Ribbentrop gives the go-ahead. In March, having rolled the imperial lip, Poland declares its interest in obtaining colonies and, seizing the moment - after the occupation of Klaipeda by German troops - invites Lithuania to join Poland in a good way. And in April - for every fireman - he also concludes a guarantee agreement with England. But then - as in the fairy tale about the goldfish - right there, in April, having made a hurt face, Germany denounces the Polish-German non-aggression declaration. After so many years of sweet flirting and the expectation of a legal marriage, it suddenly turns out that the Poles are a race of inferior Slavs, and in general, some hangers-on are not needed for the Millennium Reich, all the more so swirling.
                      Poland is still trying to prove its loyalty to the ideas of fascism: after all, only Russians from 1921 in Poland were destroyed by 120 000 (one hundred twenty thousand!), But neither this genocide, nor the disruption of the anti-Hitler Anglo-Soviet-French negotiations in August, hit 1939 Hitler . He, of course, is grateful to Poland for another international trick, but his gaze is fixed on the distance. Now he himself concludes a non-aggression pact with the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union is also pleased, since such a move crosses out the idea of ​​a united anti-Soviet front. That is, the unification of Germany, England and France against the USSR also did not take place.
                      From this moment, the Soviet Union becomes an aggressive monster, and Poland becomes long-suffering. Having become distressed, Poland immediately forgets about the recent visit of Foreign Minister Jozef Beck (January 5) to Adolf Hitler, who declared the unity of the interests of Germany and Poland with respect to the USSR. Poland also forgets about the counter visit (Warsaw January 26) to Warsaw, German Foreign Minister Ribbentrop, to Beck, who promised a beautiful alliance if Germany supports Poland in its intentions to take over Ukraine. And so that Poland didn’t forget everything, Churchill announced on September 1 publicly, that is, on the radio: “The implementation of Nazi plans in relation to the Baltic countries and Ukraine should be finally stopped.”
                      But the only country that sounded the alarm with the very first symptoms - after the German troops entered Austria on 12 on March 1938 of the year - was the Soviet Union. It was he who initiated the convening of an international conference on the subject of "practical measures against the development of aggression." But didn’t England stop this initiative, they say, there’s nothing to drive the wave here? Didn’t Britain-France strongly recommend Czechoslovakia to terminate the mutual assistance agreement with the USSR when all the same German troops went there? And the USSR has no obligations to Poland (Poland does not want the Soviet Union to know), but England and France have such obligations, so let them have a headache.
                      1. Apologet.Ru
                        Apologet.Ru 12 July 2013 22: 50 New
                        +2
                        Subsequently, Poland will insist that it was the agreement of Stalin with Hitler at the end of the summer that became the basis for the Hitler attack on Poland. But the development of a plan for the Hitlerite attack on Poland (the Weis plan) was completed on April 3 of the 1939 of the year, that is, already in early spring. Two weeks later (April 17 of 1939 of the year), the British ambassador in Moscow was presented with a proposal to create a united front with England and France - on the subject of the same “practical measures against the development of German aggression”. But the British and French did not answer. But Finland and Estonia said in the League of Nations that they regard the Soviet peacekeeping initiative as a threat. In Poland itself, voices were heard in general: German aggression is better than Soviet help, and there will be no corridors for Soviet troops. After several attempts at negotiations that were fake, negotiations with the Nazis took place in London at the initiative of the British - the idea of ​​a military alliance of the USSR — England — France was buried. The conclusion was simple: if Stalin really wants peace, he can only agree on this with Hitler.
                        For some reason, it was a conspiracy (Stalin and Hitler) that they began to call a completely template agreement. But in September 1939 of the year the Soviet Union did not receive any geopolitical preferences, it only returned its territories. And the territories are not of a dense century, but of yesterday, still warm, captured by Poland in a revolutionary Sabbath. And the border passed just along the Curzon line, as recommended by the Cambon commission, which had lobbied for Poland’s interests in 1920.
                        5.10.1939 th Soviet Union offers Finland to conclude an agreement on mutual assistance. Then of course I will hear the indignant “oh!” Plus extensive comments about cynicism, because the Soviet Union still attacked Finland. Yes, I attacked, but it would be appropriate to mention the long - one year and eight months - negotiations during which the Soviet Union bargained unsuccessfully with Finland, offering both the option of renting four uninhabited islets, and territorial compensation, and double territorial compensation for the border strip. And only then, already during the outbreak of World War II and in time pressure, when the German military contingent was already in Finland, the Soviet Union, at the cost of heavy losses - 50 000 killed and 250 000 wounded - only moved this damn border an average of fifty kilometers away from Leningrad. That is, 8 times less than the territory that was offered to Finland as compensation. But if you believe the rumors of "secret applications", Finland was completely in the "Soviet zone". And if you believe the message of the French agency "Havas" from 29 on November 1939 with reference to a "reliable source", then Romania, Bulgaria and Hungary fell into the same zone. Apparently, the Soviet Union squeamishly ignored them: oh, this unpredictable Stalin.
                      2. Apologet.Ru
                        Apologet.Ru 12 July 2013 22: 51 New
                        +1
                        By the way, an amazing nuance: after the Winter War, that is, the war with Finland, the ill-fated islets of the Soviet Union were still leased. Taken (!) - for rent.
                        It should be briefly mentioned that Soviet troops were also introduced into the “territory of Poland” (that is, into the territory of Ukraine and Belarus) when Poland as a state did not exist. For a fortnight, German troops fought eastward across Poland, and on September 17 of 1939, when the Polish government had already left for friendly London, the Soviet troops hurried to the Curzon line without any fights. It is quite possible, however, that in such a situation, the Poles would have preferred the blood to the easternmost border.

                        For the sake of fairness, I note that the Soviet Union did not go in the forefront for a nightmare agreement with militaristic Germany.

                        In 1933, the United Kingdom, France, Italy (pact of four) conclude a pact with Germany. Further.

                        1934 year: Poland enters into an agreement with Germany.

                        1935 year: France enters into an agreement with Germany.

                        1936 year: Japan enters into an agreement with Germany.

                        1936 year: England enters into a maritime contract with Germany.

                        1938 year: the September Anglo-German and December Franco-German declarations are already anti-Soviet.

                        In March 1939, Romania concludes an agreement with Germany.

                        In May 1939, Italy concludes an agreement with Germany.

                        In May 1939, Lithuania concludes an agreement with Germany.

                        In June 1939, Estonia and Latvia enter into agreements with Germany.

                        And only in August 1939 did the Soviet Union conclude an agreement with Germany.
              2. Avenger711
                Avenger711 13 July 2013 00: 38 New
                +1
                You can start with the fact that Finland is generally separatists, there was no Finnish state in history, it actually appeared under the kings, and even the territory was foolishly transferred to it. Well, here excuse me, if this fucking state is not just sitting on someone else’s, but it is also constantly provoking provocations at the border and conducting an anti-Soviet policy, then it’s not a pity for bombs on it.
              3. Lopatov
                Lopatov 13 July 2013 09: 57 New
                +2
                Which one? You may not be aware, but there were three Soviet-Finnish. Apart from the confrontation during World War II.
              4. igordok
                igordok 13 July 2013 14: 53 New
                +3
                Quote: serge-68-68
                Remind me - who attacked someone in the Soviet-Finnish?

                In which of:
                1 The First Soviet-Finnish War (1918 — 1920) - the fighting between the White Finnish troops and the Red Army units in Soviet Russia from March 1918 to October 1920. Officially, the war with the Russian Federation was declared by the bourgeois-democratic government of Finland on 15 on May 1918.
                2 The Second Soviet-Finnish War (1921 — 1922) began: on November 6 and 1921 by the invasion of Finnish volunteer formations in the RSFSR on the territory of Karelia. No war was declared.
                3 The Soviet-Finnish War (1939 — 1940) began: November 30 1939 of the year when the Soviet troops invaded Finland.
                4 Soviet-Finnish War (1941 — 1944) - military operations between Finnish and Soviet troops in Karelia as part of the Great Patriotic War. It began: 21 on June 1941, when German naval and air forces began to operate against the USSR from Finland. And in 4: 30 on 22 on June, the Finnish landing under the cover of warships, crossing the territorial waters border, invaded the demilitarized zone of the Aland Islands
          2. smile
            smile 12 July 2013 22: 07 New
            +3
            serge-68-68
            Yes. meaningless conversation.
            Let me remind you. that under the Moscow peace treaty we changed the Tartu treaty of the 20th year. The Tartu Treaty was concluded under the threat of war with the Entente. Unas simply did not have the strength to defend all OUR lands. The Finnish Red Army, which was trying to maintain Finland as part of Russia, was defeated by the Germans. subsequently supplanted by the Entente. After the war, more Finns were shot than died on both sides during the war, the rest were seated in concentration camps. Even the army of Yudenich was partly shot, partly rotted in concentration camps.
            Further. Finland never existed as a state. most of the land that later became Finland was recaptured, or bought from Sweden as a result of the wars it unleashed and lost ... that's all. what was built there, built by the Russians, with the help of Russian resources for Russian money and in the interests of the whole country ... that's all. Finns are not proletarians, you know yourself ... Therefore, all of Finland was our land.
            An attempt to compare the Horde or the European colonialists with us who invested there. developing the local population. and basically didn’t conquer new lands, it looks pathetic, I won’t even smear it .... you yourself understand everything ... a failure. :))))
            Behind their backs lovers who launched the program "Enslaved Nations" and nothing more! In general, nothing but the great total lie that you believed in. Do you know when the day of enslaved nations is celebrated? And who invented it? Take an interest in this question, you won’t regret it ... :))) Watch at the same time Leontyev’s film “Orange Children of the 3rd Reich” - see the faces of these comrades ....
            Now in the Lithuanian press often flash interviews of Lithuanians who organized the separation of Lithuania from the Union. They do not hide, but are proud that they were organized by the corresponding special services ... and so with all the nationalists ... and you are a victim of their propaganda, and if you come to your point of view, we are to blame for everything and must pay ... pay . pay by territories. money. blood ... it's you and people like you who made it possible to destroy the country and the growth of claims from national fascists of all stripes .... goodbye.
            1. serge-68-68
              serge-68-68 12 July 2013 22: 18 New
              -3
              Smeared, so smeared ... All "Finland was our land." I'll take a quote :) Good luck!
              1. smile
                smile 12 July 2013 22: 39 New
                +1
                serge-68-68
                As I understand it, there is nothing to argue? :))) for example, referring to how the Entente is right, not complying with international law, tore our country to weaken it ... do you like it? I give a quote. :))) They further did this to us with the help of our decaying elite ....
                Have a nice one you too. Bye.:)))
                1. serge-68-68
                  serge-68-68 12 July 2013 23: 20 New
                  -2
                  Well, you kind of said goodbye above? or did I misunderstand your "goodbye"?
                  If you recognize the possession of a certain territory by the former owner as the basis for territorial claims to the present and know the history well, then there is something to talk about.
                  About how Russia received the Baltic lands. Or how the Duchy of Warsaw was formed. Or about how Novgorod, Kazan, Siberia and other, and other, and other were attached.
                  If you recognize the right of the strong as the right on the territory, then we have a topic for discussion. How did the war develop and end after the collapse of the Russian Empire, what did Stalin do to restore it ...
                  If you recognize these two assumptions only in relation to Russia, and deny them in relation to its neighbors (and not neighbors), then there is nothing to talk about. :)
                  1. gura
                    gura 13 July 2013 00: 30 New
                    -5
                    From Minsk. Sergey, do not crucify before this "goose scientist". A typical pseudoscientific rapper. Phony voiced phrases - followed by 4 classes and a corridor. I’ve already read his “learned husk”, it’s like looking through the fog, something is looming, and what, it’s impossible to make out. We have released, we have punished, we have won, we (he is beloved, and the people are on the side). Do not mark the beads in front of the pigs, Sergey. Here there are, get used to it. At first it’s wild, and then it’s interesting, because it’s not the Echo of Moscow, but the Echo of the Military.
                    1. smile
                      smile 13 July 2013 04: 57 New
                      +2
                      gura
                      Sir ... well, what a scientist I am ... well, maybe only if compared to you :))) I am pleased that even you read what I wrote at my leisure ... and yes, we freed , we won, we punished ... although I did not say this ....- everything is so! And do not try to tell a lie that I am trying to ascribe the achievements of the Russian people to myself .... no, well, it would be funny ... too! :)))) And for your seed beads you can be calm, no one in pigs, well, for your kind, he will not be taken away ... he simply does not represent any value to anyone ... well, it's up to you to evaluate him ... .
                      and finally ... I have to disappoint you ... I’m not only a writer ... I have enough experience of acts .... it’s enough. to deal with pigs ... so that you should be careful ...:)))) ....
                  2. Setrac
                    Setrac 13 July 2013 00: 40 New
                    +2
                    Quote: serge-68-68
                    Or about how Novgorod, Kazan, Siberia and other, and other, and other were attached.

                    Each territory should be considered separately, but these territories were originally inhabited by Russians, so a comparison is inappropriate.
                    1. ImPerts
                      ImPerts 13 July 2013 04: 16 New
                      +3
                      Quote: Setrac
                      Quote: serge-68-68 Or about how Novgorod, Kazan, Siberia and other, and other, and other were annexed. Each territory should be considered separately, but these territories were originally inhabited by Russians, so the comparison is inappropriate.

                      With such success, it will reach accusations of eating animal meat and fouling nature with industrial waste. The further I read, the greater the feeling that 68 is just a kitchen theorist. So bigoted and smart.
                  3. sleepy
                    sleepy 13 July 2013 01: 33 New
                    +3
                    Quote: serge-68-68
                    "... acknowledge the possession of a certain territory by the former owner as the basis for territorial claims to the current ..."


                    Why go so far?
                    There is international recognition of the state within certain boundaries.
                    The USSR was not recognized immediately and not by all.
                    But territorial claims - it happens.
                    Japan still claims to be the Northern Territory.
                    And what does the right of the strong have to do with it?
                  4. smile
                    smile 13 July 2013 04: 17 New
                    +3
                    serge-68-68
                    Well, all say goodbye to you, say goodbye .... but you don’t answer me in return .... :)))
                    The way we got the Baltic lands ... who owned them remember? All claims against Sweden!
                    The Duchy of Warsaw - idiocy due to pure Russian kindness and French cunning - the Prussians and Austrians rigidly assimilated the Poles. banned Polish schools, newspapers, business ... :))) well, they did a small part of what the Poles did in relation to the Russians .... but we felt sorry for them ... or our kings didn’t think of it ... even after like almost 20 percent of the Poles were part of the 600-650 thousandth Napoleonic horde, which restored the Duchy ... by the way, this is very characteristic garbage = Napoleon did not give the Poles independence .... he gave them a duchy in which they had less rights than in RI .... Arctic fox .... if you want, we will discuss tomorrow
                    and they committed atrocities in 1812 no more than in the 20s of the 20th century ... and remember that even Napoleon did not create a state for them ... even he gave them less rights than we gave ... why? from our eternal predatory nature? Yes, and we did not need this duchy with the predominant Polish population — nobody needed it .... the rest of the land that we returned was with the predominant Russian population ....
                    As for the rest of the lands you mentioned ... Novgorod is one and the same time that ... Kazan is completely different ... if we did not take Kazan ... it would take us .... Siberia is generally unique a situation to compare with which the conquests of other countries ... is not fair, or something .... in general, if you want, we will communicate. swear and agree ... no, no, no .... anyway, goodbye ... :))))
                    1. serge-68-68
                      serge-68-68 13 July 2013 12: 52 New
                      +1
                      It would probably be interesting to debate. But judging by the minuses, an effective conversation is not possible within the framework of this forum. I do not like to breed turuses on wheels without sense.
                    2. Babon
                      Babon 13 July 2013 15: 00 New
                      +1
                      Are you discussing? Discuss? So it is necessary to consider the entire world politics of all the powers of that time, otherwise you want everything in one wicket, with exclamations, "Yeah! Let's wash the bones of the USSR again!" You are looking by modern standards at that time. Of course, it makes no sense to drive cowards if you don’t want to know about the politics of other countries, it’s interesting for you to grind our country again, although the Western countries, frankly, pursued a more vile policy and forced us to retaliate.
        4. Setrac
          Setrac 13 July 2013 00: 18 New
          +1
          Quote: serge-68-68
          Judging by your argument, I believe that you should agree with the territorial claims of Uzbekistan to the Russian Federation on the basis that once part of the current territory of the Russian Federation was part of the Golden Horde? Recently, one voiced them.

          On the same basis, Russia may present territorial claims to Uzbekistan. am
      2. gura
        gura 13 July 2013 00: 19 New
        -4
        Scientific delirium. And hypertrophied conceit - We relocated, we freed. Whom, shit, did you personally set free? For you, "Kashchenko" cries, Napoleon, you, a little town! I’ve already noticed your scientific “pearls!” Are you playing a tired professor? Tired, he, you see, to explain! What can you explain, ignoramus? Not a single link, just stamps. But work hard, chew the slow-moving. What do you justify your nonsense? With what labors, only Shvets, his beloved, do not poke your head here, he will not roll.
        1. smile
          smile 13 July 2013 16: 21 New
          +2
          gura
          I just found your ... work ... :)))
          I have a great mood, because I will not be rude to you in response. :)))
          Judging by the hysterical reaction, you already got snot from me? :))) If you mentioned Shvets, then you got the snot for the Poles for the Katyn lie. In view of the fact that I read only one book by Shvets, it was on this topic. :)))
          I personally identify with my people and my country, which is why we are.
          In your powerless torrent, you especially liked the phrase that you "noticed" me ... I'm happy! :))) I immediately remembered the cartoon about the kid. who knew how to count ... and the phrase - "well, and they counted you" ...
          Regarding the links ... you can argue about each specific case mentioned, of course, with a normal person, and not with you ... :))) but did you pay attention to the volume of the topic? Can you imagine the volume of links? Or do you think it is realistic to give a reference in which the position on all the topics I mentioned is reasonably stated? Are you a victim of tyrnet or immediately born .... painful? If I give you at least the most necessary monographs, you will read them in a month ... and what will you answer after reading? No! You immediately say that this is all nonsense, and you know everything better! Have you read the Swede? :)))) Well, what the hell are you then links to? You little kid, able to count to ten ...
          In principle, when all kinds of rubbish, like you, are being rattled at me, I consider this a compliment. Thank!
          The conversation is over. Is free. Fucking the move ... little kid ...
      3. cdrt
        cdrt 13 July 2013 01: 51 New
        -1
        2. Yes, but the USSR recognized the principle of expression of the will of peoples and their right to independence - which the Baltic states realized. In addition, the USSR in those years was not the right receiver of RI
        3. Yes
        4. Yes
        5. Well, they planted, and exiled, and shot ... it was, not millions, but it was
        And here is 1. - garbage is complete. Yes, the world with Finland the RSFSR signed with the help of Finland the Entente. But actually in 1920-21 the RSFSR, or rather the Bolsheviks, in the heat of desire to spark a world revolution understood only the language of brute force. And secondly, by this time Finland had already taken place as a state, defeating its reds. Well, about the "terrible threat" of Finland - in 1941 they stopped, having actually reached their old border. And in the future, no active actions were recorded there, right up to our offensive in 1944. The joke then went - only two armies — the Swiss and 23 Soviet — were not fighting in all of Europe. Well ... the Finnish government did not allow Hitler to transfer German troops to the Finnish side of the defense of Leningrad. So - there was no threat ...
        1. sleepy
          sleepy 13 July 2013 02: 06 New
          +2
          Quote: cdrt
          "... the Finnish government did not allow Hitler to transfer German troops to the Finnish side of the defense of Leningrad ..."


          This is something new - the government of Finland
          against the government of Germany.
          Maybe Finland would not allow Germany to block the Leningrad?
        2. smile
          smile 13 July 2013 16: 40 New
          0
          cdrt
          Regarding Finland, I would recommend to you Shirokorada "The Baltic Mine of Peter the Great" and "The Great Intermission". And not because he is the most correct - some of his conclusions are dubious. but because. that there is a sin of compilation behind him. This sin is a huge plus due to the fact that Shirokorad gives a huge layer of documents and verified links to historical research, including Finnish historians, which is especially valuable. And all these materials irrefutably testify to the Finnish extensive predatory plans, that they didn’t stop where they wanted. and there. where we were stopped by the greatest exertion of forces. The books contain long-declassified plans, orders of the Finns. Business staff correspondence with the Germans, Mannerheim’s correspondence with Hitler, Churchill, the Americans ... you can not read Shirokorad itself, and historians, including Finnish ones. to which he refers, just read the documents of the Finnish General Staff and others ... and stop arguing with me. I am sure of that. because you give the impression of a smart person who is attentive to the argument of the opponent.
    3. sleepy
      sleepy 13 July 2013 01: 00 New
      0
      Quote: serge-68-68
      "Attack on Finland. Occupation of the Baltic states. Annexation of Bessarabia
      and Northern Bukovina. Partition of Poland together with fascist Germany ... "


      And also an attack on peaceful Japan and the occupation of Mongolia.
      1. ImPerts
        ImPerts 13 July 2013 04: 21 New
        +3
        Now, now the Mongols will begin to make complaints about the restoration of the empire of the times of Munke. Many claims can be made there.
    4. cdrt
      cdrt 13 July 2013 01: 11 New
      0
      It is necessary. Statistics are open. How many were shot, how many sat down, how many and when they left. Well??? Evidence of genocide?
  • cdrt
    cdrt 13 July 2013 01: 10 New
    +2
    And to whom it in the WWII Russian genocide staged ???
  • orff
    orff 12 July 2013 16: 30 New
    +2
    The blood of those killed during the war lies on everyone.
    It is clear that this is a politicized statement and an extremely good tool against poor countries. First they will demand recognition of the genocide, then they will demand indemnity. There is no money, turn our countryman. So we are waiting for the continuation
  • Sergey Medvedev
    Sergey Medvedev 12 July 2013 16: 33 New
    +7
    The Poles are to blame for the Russians.
  • sigizmund472
    sigizmund472 12 July 2013 16: 45 New
    +5
    It doesn’t matter what the Nazis call themselves - the NSDAP, the OUN / UPA, the NBA are all one and the same - Fascists. And the position of those states that equate the fascists with war veterans, with veterans who have broken the backbone of fascism, it’s a pity that it’s not until the end, it’s a pity that they did not go through the harrow and did not clean out one and all.
    1. smile
      smile 12 July 2013 20: 16 New
      -1
      sigizmund472
      Army Craiova forgot ...
  • Katani
    Katani 12 July 2013 17: 03 New
    +3
    Nothing changes, only signs ....
    In Syria, they are doing the same thing, but not everything is known yet .....
    So the Poles found Ukrainian heroes in their garden ..... finally!
  • Vlad_Mir
    Vlad_Mir 12 July 2013 17: 09 New
    14
    It is time for the Poles, like no other, to shut up about the genocide and any other forms of aggression against themselves. Without justifying the OUN, the UPA, we can safely say: Poland is one of the most aggressive, nationalist countries in the world! How many Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians and other peoples they have destroyed in all centuries! They constantly climbed our lands! What did 100 thousand Poles in Volyn do? Where did so many officers come from near Smolensk? They picked flowers there ?!
    1. Reyngard
      Reyngard 12 July 2013 17: 40 New
      -14
      And why do the Poles not like Russians, don’t you guess? Take an interest in Suvorov’s “exploits” in Poland ...
      1. andsavichev2012
        andsavichev2012 12 July 2013 18: 28 New
        +3
        To a great connoisseur of Russian-Polish relations: conflicts and wars between Russia and Poland (without Lithuania) began centuries from the 13th and have not yet completely ended. And the notorious assault on Warsaw is just one of the episodes.
        1. Reyngard
          Reyngard 12 July 2013 18: 47 New
          -7
          At that time Russia had even more connoisseur of conflicts with practically all its neighbors. But only from the Poles there were no such “episodes”.
        2. belij
          belij 12 July 2013 19: 08 New
          +2
          It’s useless for them to prove and argue, they’re white and fluffy “gay men”
          1. Reyngard
            Reyngard 12 July 2013 19: 30 New
            -6
            I hate gays and lesbians myself. But, for the sake of objectivity, I want to say, in Polish history ours are no better than Batu Khan in ours.
            1. smile
              smile 12 July 2013 20: 35 New
              +5
              Reyngard RU
              If you had even a drop of objectivity. you would admit. that the Poles towards the Russians at the end of the 17th century behaved no worse and sometimes worse than Batu. despite. that centuries have passed and they are not wild nomads ... by the way. Batu did not destroy either our religion or language. Neither culture, Poles destroyed, up to the 20th century at the first opportunity ... or are you not so narrow and bad, but you just strained with knowledge?
            2. Avenger711
              Avenger711 12 July 2013 21: 11 New
              0
              Filter the bazaar, or else not to go to your favorite pshek.
      2. Avenger711
        Avenger711 12 July 2013 18: 46 New
        +9
        And you take an interest in what the situation of the Russian population in the 15-17 centuries under the Catholic Panas was and why Ukraine essentially separated from Poland and switched to Russia, although then there was a problem with the national states. And before that, the people massively fled to the Moscow Tsar. The Poles lost to Russia a historic competition, lost forever, and because of their stupidity, and still hate Russia, although the snout is so much in the fluff that there are no more reasons for Russian hatred.

        But Suvorov near Warsaw did a good deed, they wanted a riot, they got it. We will not speak about the atrocities of the Psheks in relation to those who did not support the uprising.
        1. Reyngard
          Reyngard 12 July 2013 19: 42 New
          -6
          And what was the position of the Russian peasants, actually slaves, in Russia? Or Greek idyll?
          1. Avenger711
            Avenger711 12 July 2013 20: 35 New
            0
            The situation was normal, once they fled to Muscovy, and they did not impose the faith of others, and did not offend how much in vain. Do you know your state was where everything was in its place. And there were no Cossacks with Crimean Tatars, the difference between them was not very large for the peasant.

            And then everyone was serfs, one in the field, others in the service, but Ivan the Terrible, who flirted with Lithuania, hung up, cooked and in every other way convinced that this was not necessary, for which they did not like him
          2. smile
            smile 12 July 2013 21: 28 New
            +2
            Reyngard RU
            Such a brutal exploitation of Russian peasants, with mass executions, skinned, people who were boiled alive (the Poles, in my opinion, surpassed everyone, even the crusaders) as we never had in the later Rzeczpospolita, destroyed the people themselves, their culture, faith ... it seems to you better than serfdom?
      3. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 12 July 2013 20: 15 New
        +8
        Quote: Reyngard
        Take an interest in Suvorov "exploits" in Poland

        And you were not interested in the exploits of the Poles in the “craces of the whole,” where 50 thousand captured Red Army soldiers and commanders who were captured by the ambassador of the unsuccessful campaign from Tukhachevsky to Warsaw “simply died”?
        1. smile
          smile 12 July 2013 21: 30 New
          +5
          stalkerwalker
          I will add. 50 thousand is the minimum estimate. The average is about 80 thousand.
          1. zennon
            zennon 12 July 2013 23: 02 New
            +5
            But about the "atrocities of Stalinism" in Katyn there is a screech all over the world. It is noteworthy that in Warsaw no one stutters about these tens of thousands of Red Army soldiers ...
      4. smile
        smile 12 July 2013 20: 25 New
        +6
        Reyngard
        Even unforgettable Polish-Swedish Heinrich Waza included all the Russian lands in the Polish coat of arms ... in general, everything! (Poles, by the way, were then three times more than ours) .. and since then they have been trying to conquer our lands for five hundred years. Remember the slogan. proclaimed by Pilsudski. when did he start a predatory war with us? Polska from Helsinki to Tiflis! Like? And remember his public statement that his main dream is to go to the Kremlin and write on the Kremlin wall- "It is forbidden to speak Russian!" Do you like it even more?
        It’s because we crushed this aggressive state, which tried to destroy our statehood and turn Russians into slaves, they don’t like us ... you don’t know about this?
        Then give your apartment to Poland, and go to the Polish farm as a helper yourself, forget your language and faith, if you have one - this will partially compensate for Polish claims and Polish justice will triumph! :)))
      5. KiL
        KiL 12 July 2013 21: 09 New
        +3
        and the feats of psheks during the Polish unrest?
      6. sleepy
        sleepy 13 July 2013 02: 25 New
        +1
        Quote: Reyngard
        "And why do the Poles not like Russians, don’t you guess? ..".


        Popes bless Poles for hatred of Russians
        since the days of Princess Olga.
        Catholic Poland hates Orthodox Russia
        and in every way seeks its own profit.

        In Warsaw, Stalin built a skyscraper that they want to demolish
        just because of a reminder of the USSR.
        http://periskop.livejournal.com/978506.html
        "The Poles were supposed to destroy the Palace of Culture in Warsaw,
        how the Germans destroyed the Berlin Wall.
        This was stated by Polish Foreign Minister Radoslaw Sikorski. “Let's level the symbol of Stalinism with the earth and build in its place
        park in the center of the capital, ”Sikorski called."
    2. Avenger711
      Avenger711 12 July 2013 18: 41 New
      +1
      Ukrainians and Belarusians are actually Russians.

      Where did so many officers come from near Smolensk?


      Well, they worked there like prisoners of war, because in London they declared war in November of the 39th USSR and Polish officers automatically became indefinite prisoners of war. Well, then a German came, apparently, who wanted to, went away with guarding the camps, which in those conditions they couldn’t get out, the Germans captured the rest, used and slapped them for something there, like hundreds of thousands of locals, and so on until the 43rd year they rotted until Goebbels squealed for the 100500th time about the victims of the NKVD, but this time the psheks in London veiled the USSR, otherwise this screech would have come to naught, as well as many other attempts to attribute their executions to the NKVD.
    3. does it
      does it 12 July 2013 20: 02 New
      +2
      Quote: Vlad_Mir
      It is time for the Poles, like no other, to shut up about the genocide and any other forms of aggression against themselves. Without justifying the OUN, the UPA, we can safely say: Poland is one of the most aggressive, nationalist countries in the world! How many Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians and other peoples they have destroyed in all centuries! They constantly climbed our lands! What did 100 thousand Poles in Volyn do? Where did so many officers come from near Smolensk? They picked flowers there ?!

      I wanted to answer, but you got ahead of me, and spoke out even better! hi
  • Strashila
    Strashila 12 July 2013 17: 44 New
    +2
    Poles like to poke Russia with the Soviet past of the 39th year, if the USSR hadn’t entered the troops, this would have happened in the 39th, not the 43rd.
  • Djozz
    Djozz 12 July 2013 17: 57 New
    +7
    It is useful for the Poles to recall the massacre of the German population in Silesia and the polarity of the population of the Western regions of Ukraine and Belarus who left Poland after the war with Russia in 1920. The tragedy is that the Polish gentry has not forgotten anything and has not learned anything, I won’t be surprised that sooner or later Poland, as before, will become part of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. That’s the reason for the hatred of Ukrainians towards the Poles. Nevertheless, the OUN will remain a criminal organization, like the Craiova Army.
    1. Igarr
      Igarr 12 July 2013 18: 19 New
      +6
      Well, at least I saw something:
      "..And much earlier - in World War I, when the Russophile intelligentsia and the peasants of Galicia and Volhynia were destroyed for only one stubborn reluctance to refuse to consider themselves Russian. .."
      I happened to see a film made in Ukraine - "The Tragedy of Galician Rus", about the genocide of Ruthenians in 1913-1914 - 100 thousand destroyed.
      Then he specially read material about this. Keywords - ..Talerhof and Terezin ..
      Well, and off and on ....
      they destroyed one nation - and hatred remained and increased in all the rest.
      .
      Crazy dogs - destroy. And in the story in the article - I do not see people.
      Dogs. Mad.
    2. zennon
      zennon 12 July 2013 23: 20 New
      +2
      It is useful for the Poles to recall the massacre of the German population in Silesia

      And now something after the 45th year. Article XIII of the Potsdam Agreement ordered Poland and other states that wanted to expel the German population to carry out the so-called resettlement "in an orderly and humane manner." In fact, hunger, robbery, beatings and senseless killings. The Federal Government's Scientific Commission on the History of Exile wrote: “The act of forced expulsion was often not perceived by the victims as a brutal coercion, which nevertheless was because it was preceded by severe and painful violent measures. The intimidation and suppression of the German population was so thorough that the eviction for them to at that time it acquired a completely different function: it seemed that for a moment it provided an opportunity to again see a piece of the lost homeland, as it led them to the German order in Germany, to living conditions that would never be worse than those experienced so far. Millions of Germans under cruel they were forced to leave their homeland by coercion, but about a million Germans still lived on the other side of the Oder and Neisse, primarily in East Prussia, remaining on the territory of the Polish state.In Poland itself, most Germans were imprisoned and strictly guarded camps. to forced labor. 1947 In 'XNUMX, the Poles selected people who could not do the hard work in agriculture and in the analysis of the ruins, and sent them for Oder and Neisse. Workable Germans had to stay. Families were separated, mothers were taken away from children. Many Germans lived in their own farms in the haylofts, attics and stables, and treated them like laborers. Soon the Germans in Danzig learned that now they would not have either an attic, a cellar, or a barn where they could find a refuge. Posters hung on the blackened walls of the city, ordering the Germans to leave the city and heading to Oder in a convoy. The murders of the Germans were simply not investigated ...
      1. cdrt
        cdrt 13 July 2013 02: 04 New
        -1
        The population of our East Prussia also seems to have disappeared.
        So what? - after what the Germans did, it simply answered for the affairs of its relatives
        1. smile
          smile 13 July 2013 17: 23 New
          +2
          cdrt
          In view of the fact that I live in enta of Prussia itself, in Kaliningrad. the topic is close to me. Germans still live here, who escaped deportation, did not want to leave. Most. realized. that this land will go to the Union-wanted. I know the two of the remaining personally. live in villages 20-30 km from Kaliningrad. I would not believe in life that they are Germans. if relatives from Germany would not go to them regularly, trying to convince them to go to Germany ... Where are the real patriots of Russia? :)))
          Yes, the deportation was carried out quickly and rather harshly. But how else? Did we have the resources to feed them? Remember what the famine was in the Union in 46. In the practically destroyed Königsberg, the German population was very hard, especially in the winter of 45-46. But during the deportation, no weapons were used, no one was killed, no one was raped. Germans did not suffer losses, were transported by trains, supplied with food according to the norms. exceeding those received by the Soviet people.
          The Poles arranged their usual fun. mockery of the defenseless civilian population and its brutal annihilation. Germans were driven on foot. not fed. killed, robbed and raped ... the death toll went to tens of thousands. I’m not joking, according to various sources throughout Poland, according to the most conservative estimates, 100-300 (up to half a million) thousands of deported German people died, including from hunger, no one fed them. Soviet soldiers were often the only Germans sewn up and saved from starvation. It was really scary. And compare with that. how we deported "our" Germans to Germany was dishonest and incorrect.
          1. zennon
            zennon 13 July 2013 19: 35 New
            0
            according to various sources, throughout Poland, according to the most conservative estimates, 100-300 (up to half a million) thousands of deported German people died, including from hunger - no one fed them

            You see what a Temma! So did the war in Europe end on May 9, the 45th? No, of course ... This is a Temma that is close and understandable to you, but for most members of the forum it’s like a Chinese diploma! GDR! Nothing so big is looming? And how many people realize this? From 11 to 12 million Germans left their homes, not a small part died. And this is also the price of peace ...
  • shasherin_pavel
    shasherin_pavel 12 July 2013 18: 01 New
    +4
    It is worth recalling the partition of Czechoslovakia by Poland and Germany. It was not for nothing that Stalin called Poland fascist. I would like to find at least one flattering statement about the Poles by Polish historical heroes. They all cursed their own people and government. And so it was from the Commonwealth to the present day.
    1. cdrt
      cdrt 13 July 2013 02: 05 New
      +4
      Her, Churchill said best of all about the Poles - a hyena state. Just because of participation in the Czechoslovak section
      1. builder
        builder 13 July 2013 02: 13 New
        +2
        He did not say about the Poles, but about the Polish state.
        It should be considered as a secret and tragedy of European history that people capable of any heroism, some of whom are talented, valiant, charming, constantly display such shortcomings in almost all aspects of their state life. Glory in times of rebellion and grief; infamy and shame during periods of triumph. The bravest of the brave too often have been led by the most infamous of the vile! And yet two Poland always existed: one fought for the truth, and the other creeped into meanness "

        Winston Churchill,. The Second World War. Book 1. M., 1991. S. 147.
        1. ImPerts
          ImPerts 13 July 2013 04: 42 New
          +1
          Winston Churchill said: "Poland is a greedy hyena of Europe." Winston Churchill - The Second World War. 1949
  • Ppsh
    Ppsh 12 July 2013 18: 19 New
    +2
    Not a single crime is complete without the Anglo-Saxons ....
  • Djozz
    Djozz 12 July 2013 18: 20 New
    +6
    "Poland, it's a hyena on the battlefield." At Churchill
  • Tambov we ...
    Tambov we ... 12 July 2013 18: 25 New
    +4
    The Slavs, historically falling under the jurisdiction of the Western Catholic Church, are animals, worse than the SS ...
  • andsavichev2012
    andsavichev2012 12 July 2013 18: 34 New
    -1
    The Slavic family is not without freaks: the Poles, the meadow and the Volhynians / Galicians. The people of them are the most intelligent and warlike, and quite courageous, but also the most harmful. The massacre began tragedy, the Poles responded as best they could. Today traps are willingly Tajik in Poland and lick Polish dupes.
    1. smile
      smile 12 July 2013 20: 39 New
      +2
      andsavichev2012 RU
      In the 20th century, the Poles began the massacre back in the 20s - as soon as the opportunity arose, so that the first are still ... although they are the same ...
  • Avenger711
    Avenger711 12 July 2013 18: 35 New
    0
    This is the true appearance of the Ukrainian, not Little Russian-x_o_x_l_a, namely the Ukrainian. The Psheks once again punished themselves when the Ukrainian beast they created began to tear them.
    1. smile
      smile 12 July 2013 20: 40 New
      +2
      Avenger711
      This is the look of Bandera. true Ukrainians despise such ... do not offend please. normal Ukrainians in harsh words ....
      1. Avenger711
        Avenger711 12 July 2013 21: 13 New
        0
        Do not mix Ukrainians and Little Russians.
  • andsavichev2012
    andsavichev2012 12 July 2013 18: 38 New
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    Quote: Avenger711
    This is the true appearance of the Ukrainian, not Little Russian-x_o_x_l_a, namely the Ukrainian. The Psheks once again punished themselves when the Ukrainian beast they created began to tear them.

    T.N. called UKRAINE created by the Germans, the Poles have nothing to do with it. And it’s not a beast but a jackal
    1. nevopros
      nevopros 12 July 2013 19: 07 New
      +3
      There is only one moment - in the newspeak (I'm talking about MOV), the Poles took part in the last years of the existence of Austria-Hungary (genocide of the Rusyns of 1912). And then ... until 1939, illiterate chauvinists were "grown" on their "territory". Which, in fact, came around.
    2. Avenger711
      Avenger711 12 July 2013 20: 37 New
      +4
      Together they created, the Psheks even agreed to the point that the Russians are not Slavs, but Finno-Ugrians, but the Mongols, about which now the “good Urains” are bleating.
  • Lecha57
    Lecha57 12 July 2013 18: 53 New
    +2
    Horseradish radish is not sweeter. - This is a war of past years and it is not for us to judge. We cannot understand the current realities, and in the old ones - even more so. History needs to be known and remembered, but earning political dividends, especially on false facts, is at least criminal, nasty and stupid.
    1. afire
      afire 12 July 2013 23: 53 New
      +4
      18 +.
      To understand how to act in the future, you need to understand what everyone in the past was and who is capable of what, apply this knowledge to modern realities. My great-grandfathers sacrificed their lives so that I could live in calm Russia and I would not betray them under any pretext. Based on this, there is no forgiveness to all those countries and some areas of good countries that were involved in atrocities against Soviet people. Attitude to these countries, and this is Poland, western Ukraine, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and the rest of the licking of that Germany will always be despicable. They have no forgiveness. And it causes violent anger when these mongrels in the news are full of Nazi antics, the desire to break them will prevail over reason, honestly. I don’t know what will happen in the future, but I know what these scum are ready for and what can be expected from them, it’s better not to wait and interrupt it all in the bud - history has taught.
      Sorry for the stiffness.
    2. cdrt
      cdrt 13 July 2013 02: 08 New
      +1
      Because of this ... and in our head in the country we have problems.
      There is nothing complicated - killed an innocent - you are evil. Then they killed you for it - justice. The concepts of good and evil, in general, everyone knows
      1. afire
        afire 14 July 2013 00: 33 New
        +2
        we have problems, because this .... you all try not to see and swallow the whole mincemeat that is being poured on us. Yes, it is necessary to act more accurately, but act, not to let them manifest themselves SO, because our people who live there, in the first place, are affected next to these ...
        Nobody talked about any murders, no need to juggle! Talk about countermeasures against a negative attitude towards Russia. I don’t give a damn what their brains have been rinsed about, this cannot be said aloud about my country. Let them live silently with their hatred.
  • cool.ya-nikola
    cool.ya-nikola 12 July 2013 18: 57 New
    +5
    About how the UPA "heroically" fought with the Germans for the "independence" of Ukraine can be read here: -
    http://rusmir.in.ua/ist/316-yaroslav-galan-chemu-net-nazvaniya.html
    This is an essay, in my opinion, of the undeservedly forgotten anti-fascist writer Yaroslav Galan, who was brutally murdered by the “OUN members” in Lviv on October 24, 1949
  • smile
    smile 12 July 2013 20: 43 New
    +1
    Damn, men. I wrote here, I wrote ... then I thought - but I’m both a Pole and Vainakh and a Ukrainian ..... in a mixture! :))))
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 12 July 2013 21: 07 New
      +3
      Quote: smile
      I and the Pole and Vainakh and Ukrainian ..... in a mixture

      Well, that’s it, Smile. Hit ... laughing
      1. smile
        smile 12 July 2013 21: 36 New
        +2
        stalkerwalker
        Yeah ... now as they give everything for a while. for the ancestors, there will be no wet place ... :)))) and these ... "type" tribesmen will add .. like a traitor. :))) eh, it’s hard, life is Vlasov’s aaaa ... :)))
    2. Uhalus
      Uhalus 12 July 2013 23: 35 New
      +2
      The main thing is what kind of person. I myself am still a cross.
  • individual
    individual 12 July 2013 23: 08 New
    +4
    The tragedy of Volhynia by the "directors" of Poland and Zapadentsev turns into a farce.
    UPA and Craiova Army distinguished themselves by mutual atrocities.
    And the extreme want to represent the Red Army.
    There is a wise saying: "A hundred times help - they will forget! Once refuse - they will remember!"
    Our western neighbors were extremely ungrateful.
  • Uhalus
    Uhalus 12 July 2013 23: 34 New
    +5
    Your mother ... and these Ukrainians consider heroes ?! AND these exalted in textbooks ?! Fucking disgrace. No words, one mate.
    ... SMERSH and other organs worked poorly ... It took so long ...
    Yes, and the Poles are good. In such matters one must be extremely honest and not make politics out of it.
    1. Uhalus
      Uhalus 12 July 2013 23: 40 New
      +4
      Of course, I do not think that all Ukrainians extol them. In Ukraine, I think, most people are decent and normal. But propaganda ...
  • Andrey_K
    Andrey_K 12 July 2013 23: 59 New
    +5
    By the way, the Russian parliament could also issue an act of memory of the thousands of destroyed Russians in Western Ukraine during the Talerhof concentration camp.
    Let the Natsiks burn their brains, proving to everyone that they were not Russians, but Ukrainians who considered themselves Russian.
  • phantom359
    phantom359 13 July 2013 00: 02 New
    +8
    I would express myself, let not the words reach. Whatever the opponent, this does not give everyone the right to mock, and even women and children. This is how you need to bend over.
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  • SOKOL777
    SOKOL777 13 July 2013 01: 31 New
    +1
    To the question of Khatyn ... Judge for yourself.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQUXOHlFK74&feature=player_detailpage
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1upw-buztdY&feature=player_detailpage
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=5iMGDtnXgZE
    Well done, brothers Belarusians, all take to clean water ...
  • valokordin
    valokordin 13 July 2013 05: 52 New
    +1
    Well, again, bullshit will moan about the Stalinist camps, about the innocent Ukrainian fighters with the Soviet regime. They have no forgiveness forever and ever. Everyone who supported and supports Bandera's penchant for criminal liability, regardless of their status, citizenship, nationality, or rank. The sentence shall be enforced, or seek execution in other territories.
  • kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 13 July 2013 09: 58 New
    +2
    They stand each other: two boots of a pair, they forgot the camps in Poland, where they killed several tens of thousands of captured Red Army men in the 20s, but it should be reminded! Yes, Una-UNSO, it’s also time to present a scorer, but for all that You can not equate scum with the whole people, both Polish and Ukrainian. These peoples are no less affected by these nonhumans!
  • pilot-mk
    pilot-mk 13 July 2013 12: 42 New
    +2
    Another attempt to put pressure on Ukraine in order not to let it into the Customs Union.
  • Zomanus
    Zomanus 14 July 2013 06: 37 New
    0
    Good article. Damn, the mistake of course was to annex Western Ukraine. We got ourselves a haemorrhage for the whole ass. And the Ukrainian brothers, I feel we will soon not be brothers at all, if they continue to indulge the policies of their leadership. And it may be necessary to issue target designations for missiles and aircraft in case of an attack from the territory of Ukraine.
  • EdwardTich68
    EdwardTich68 22 July 2013 01: 59 New
    0
    Any ethnic group, or part of it left without state support, is doomed. Examples: Armenians in Turkey, Russians in the CIS and the Caucasus, Germans in Poland, the Czech Republic, East Prussia, British in Africa, Boers in South Africa, Uyghurs and Mongols in China, Kurds in Turkey, Aborigines in Australia, ideologists in the USA, small nations north in Russia. (Law of nature however)
  • EdwardTich68
    EdwardTich68 22 July 2013 02: 20 New
    0
    Apparently all the same, every nation should live on its territory and not take advantage of the temporary weakness of a neighbor
    to seize his land then his descendants (this people) do not have to pay bloody bills for sins
    fathers. am