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PNK-6 - Ukrainian tank panoramic sight is not inferior to foreign analogues

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Ukrainian tank PNK-6 panoramic sight is not inferior to anything, and even surpasses foreign analogues in some characteristics.


The development of this unique sighting complex, was engaged in the Central Design Bureau (CDB) "Sokol", which conducts a full range of research and development work on the design of specialized products.

This was reported to our correspondent in the press service of the TsKB Sokol.

For many years, Sokol Central Design Bureau has been the main unit in Ukraine, which has been developing design documentation for sophisticated high-tech optical-electronic and optical-mechanical military products for installations on various armored vehicles, helicopters and self-propelled guns.

PNK-6 - Ukrainian tank panoramic sight is not inferior to foreign analogues

PNK-6 - Ukrainian tank panoramic sight is not inferior to foreign analogues (placement on the commander's tank)


Tank panoramic sighting system (PNK-6) is primarily intended for detecting and recognizing ground and air targets in day and night conditions from the tank commander’s position and measuring the distance to the target with a laser rangefinder, which allows firing from a gun and a machine gun coupled to the gun from the commander's position in the mode of duplicated control of armament and in the semi-automatic autonomous mode of duplicated control (in case of failure of the main control mode from the gunner's position)


Tank panoramic sighting system (PNK-6)


Main technical characteristics:

  • Stabilization of the field of view
    independent, two-plane

    Guidance angles of the stabilized line of sight, city:
    down no less than 17
    up, at least 65
    in the horizontal plane 360хn

  • The magnification of the visual channel, 1,2 fold; 6,0; Xnumx
  • Spectral range of a thermal imaging camera, mm 8-12
  • Tank detection range, m, not less than:
    via 5500 visual channel
    through the thermal channel in the wide field of view 4000

  • Target range, m from 200 to 9500
  • RMS error of measuring the distance to the target with a laser rangefinder, m no more than ± 5
  • Availability time, min, no more than 5
  • Power consumption of the DC circuit 27 V, W, not more than 500
  • Complex weight, kg, not more than 400

    PNK-6 consists of a sight-rangefinder with a thermal imaging camera, an electrical unit, a head control unit, a parallelogram-driven gun position sensor and a switching unit designed to interface the complex with a tank fire control system.

    The PNK-6 complex can be used in the T-84 Oplot-M tank fire control system. It is possible to use when upgrading tanks T-64B, T-72, T-80.
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    1. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 11 July 2013 12: 26
      20
      Well done Ukrainians !!
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 11 July 2013 12: 33
        +9
        Quote: MIKHAN
        Well done Ukrainians !!

        It is hoped that they will have left where to put these sights .....The North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) will offer Ukraine to slice and re-melt old Soviet T-64 tanks, Capital writes with reference to Vasily Litvinchuk, project manager for NSPA (NATO Logistics Agency) in Ukraine. http://warfiles.ru/show-34572-nato-hochet-unichtozhit-ukrainskie-tanki.html
        1. Basileus
          Basileus 11 July 2013 12: 44
          +8
          Ukraine receives good money from the sale and modernization of these canned goods. MBT 3 generations will be quite sold for more than a dozen years. Why would they cut them?
        2. Akim
          Akim 11 July 2013 15: 03
          +7
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          The North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) will offer Ukraine to slice and re-melt old Soviet T-64 tanks,


          Sorry, but this is nonsense, not news. or Litvinchuk also know about tanks, as he writes. Apparently for him the T-64 is like a Zhiguli "penny" which had several modifications. Nobody will cut B (BV). It will not be possible to convert them into BM quickly either. This is like the news that the United States gave Ukraine money to dispose of 100000 small arms. But they forget to add that the weapon was produced before the age of 65. Here is also not complete information .. Our media would be the first to whine it.
          1. Manager
            Manager 11 July 2013 15: 07
            +4
            Quote: Akim
            No one will cut B (BV).

            Before Gorbachev, too, everyone thought that no one would cut anything and ruin it ......
            1. Akim
              Akim 11 July 2013 15: 19
              +2
              Quote: Manager
              Before Gorbachev, too, everyone thought that no one would cut anything and ruin it ......

              You are comparing different levels. Cutting is the same. It's like coming to 10 mechanized and one tank brigade, at the same time grab the coastal defense troops and tell them: we are dismissing you.
        3. cdrt
          cdrt 11 July 2013 16: 16
          +2
          By the way, a test for the Ukrainian authorities - they agree, they are not quite Ukrainian either. They refuse - maybe Ukrainian.
          1. Akim
            Akim 11 July 2013 18: 12
            +5
            Quote: cdrt
            They refuse - maybe Ukrainian

            But I also forgot a separate tank regiment (or an already reinforced battalion) in Transcarpathia.
            Think about it. that the people are just a herd to be ordered to hang themselves and they will come with their rope.
            Things like mass tank cutting will simply not be allowed.
        4. Civil
          Civil 11 July 2013 16: 26
          13 th
          apparently they were able to repair old sights and solder import boards. anyway, they’re not capable of anything else.
          1. Alexander D.
            Alexander D. 11 July 2013 19: 36
            +4
            Quote: Civil
            apparently they were able to repair old sights and solder import boards. anyway, they’re not capable of anything else.

            Didn't guess. Before you write something "from a fanar", learn to read first.
            Izyum Instrument Making Plant
            http://www.ipz.com.ua/index.php?option=com_content&view=section&layout=blog&id=5
            & Itemid = 86


            Photographic device (Cherkasy)
            http://photopribor.ck.ua/ru/products/defense/btt/
      2. Apologet.Ru
        Apologet.Ru 11 July 2013 12: 40
        15
        hi Pleases. that "there is still gunpowder in the flasks", but I, colleagues, am not an expert in tank sights, and since "every sandpiper praises his swamp" - I am waiting for a comment from experts ...
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      5. Rustam
        Rustam 11 July 2013 14: 21
        12
        PNK-6 - Ukrainian tank panoramic sight is not inferior to foreign analogues
        ____________________

        Strongly said of course winked


        On sight.
        We put a panorama on the T-90MS (it also stands on the BMPT), but it is Belorussian-made, it is smaller in size and weight, its characteristics are superior to the French, despite the fact that the French matrix is ​​used in the TVP. The fact is that TPV is not only a matrix, but it is also optics and software, which Belarusians have particularly succeeded in.
        During tests on BMPT, it remained operational, despite the fact that the "head" was pierced by a 30-mm projectile ...

        The main characteristic of TPV is the target detection range and, even more important, the target recognition (identification) range. People worked with Belarusian and French TPV sights using the same matrix, even a camera. But for the same purpose, in the same conditions, the Belarusian saw much better. Here the Belarusian is beyond competition. Dimensions depend on a lot - on the matrix, hence the necessary optics, etc.
        However, it is not known what Ukrainians use in their sight, I think that the same matrix, and the same Belarusian gadgets repeat


        ___ ___________ ________________________________________________________
        quote from Tankomaster Today, 13:29 PM ↑
        But without an optical channel, therefore more compact than PNK-6
        ___ ___________ ______________________________________________

        answer -And how do you imagine the optical channel in the panorama? This will be a periscope, like in a submarine. In the panorama use the TPV channel and the television channel. We have them. + laser rangefinder channel.

        called T-90MS - PC PAN

        that's all


        photo (clickable) T-90ms at IDEX-2013
        1. Alexander D.
          Alexander D. 11 July 2013 19: 38
          +5
          Quote: Rustam
          answer -And how do you imagine the optical channel in the panorama? This will be a periscope, like in a submarine. In the panorama use the TPV channel and the television channel. We have them. + laser rangefinder channel.

          Very introducing! This is a periscope with a visual (optical) channel. You can find it on the manufacturer’s website.

          http://photopribor.ck.ua/ru/products/defense/btt/
        2. Tankomaster
          Tankomaster 11 July 2013 20: 07
          -4
          The Pepsi generation chooses Coke :)))))))))))))))
      6. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg 11 July 2013 18: 46
        0
        Quote: MIKHAN
        Well done Ukrainians !!


        A well done then? Check out the size of the lens. In diameter, like a hatch in a tower. Now, every teruguzh will shout to Allahakbar and simply shoot at this miracle of technology, the benefit is not missed.
        1. 11 black
          11 black 11 July 2013 19: 09
          -1
          Quote: Geisenberg
          Well done Ukrainians !!


          A well done then? Check out the size of the lens. In diameter, like a hatch in a tower. Now, every teruguzh will shout to Allahakbar and simply shoot at this miracle of technology, the benefit is not missed.

          I agree - in Syria, the terrorists manage to interrupt the radio communication antenna from the SVD, and they will not miss the target (and not only them).
      7. vjhbc
        vjhbc 11 July 2013 23: 53
        +1
        only he is so huge and so much glass interestingly he holds 12mm or not
        Quote: MIKHAN
        Well done Ukrainians !!
      8. Siberian German
        Siberian German 12 July 2013 03: 58
        0
        that's for sure
    2. Nevsky
      Nevsky 11 July 2013 12: 28
      14
      Nice for the country smile it happens sometimes.
      1. Aryan
        Aryan 11 July 2013 14: 21
        20 th
        laughing it’s only fat that causes interference
        1. Akim
          Akim 11 July 2013 15: 07
          +9
          Quote: Aryan
          only fat makes noise


          The Moldovan aypishka suggests an answer about the device "friend or foe" developed by Chisinau scientists ... Let's not mock.
          1. Aryan
            Aryan 12 July 2013 10: 21
            -3
            you don’t pull my Moldavian aypish
            if you don't understand the joke
            that's what you need, donkey
            learn the word IRONIA
            or die tries bully
            1. Akim
              Akim 12 July 2013 10: 29
              +1
              Hitler Kaput ARIETS! Apparently I didn’t understand the irony alone, since there are a lot of minuses (though I didn’t put you a minus, I don’t put them at all). At Rapid Trident 2013, the Moldovan military eats fat and nothing - they are not dead and they don’t feel any interference.
    3. Strashila
      Strashila 11 July 2013 12: 50
      0
      If everything is so wonderful, why wouldn’t he buy a license and start assembling in Russia. NATO is definitely not necessary.
      1. Warrawar
        Warrawar 11 July 2013 13: 13
        +4
        Quote: Strashila
        If everything is so wonderful, why wouldn’t he buy a license and start assembling in Russia. NATO is definitely not necessary.

        And Russia does not need to develop its production? Are we going to pull the "brothers" at our own expense?
        1. Basileus
          Basileus 11 July 2013 13: 17
          +3
          As far as I remember, the T-90SM has a roughly similar sight.
          1. Tankomaster
            Tankomaster 11 July 2013 13: 29
            +5
            But without an optical channel, therefore more compact than PNK-6.
            So all the wrodebs are similar, but not that.
            PNK-6 is an analog sight with Lecreck.
            1. Akim
              Akim 11 July 2013 15: 08
              +2
              Quote: Tankomaster
              PNK-6 is an analog sight with Lecreck.

              Not quite an analogue, but the French had a hand in it. Like the feed AZ.
              1. Tankomaster
                Tankomaster 11 July 2013 19: 45
                0
                What feed AZ?
                What do you accept for such nonsense ???
                Share your experience .....
                1. Akim
                  Akim 11 July 2013 19: 56
                  +4
                  Quote: Tankomaster
                  What feed AZ?

                  Turn on your brain. There is no discussion of the BM Oplot tank, but a panoramic sight that can be installed on all types of modernized tanks, including the T-72-120 and BM Yatagan. There is a feed machine there, as in the T-55 Typhoon, they can also stick this sight.
                  1. Tankomaster
                    Tankomaster 11 July 2013 20: 11
                    +1
                    I agree, it is possible to install on the tanks that you have listed, but the development of the AZ was carried out by the HCBM specialists without French influence and assistance.
                    Yes, I agree that the AZ is similar to the Leclerc AZ, but there are subtleties and significant differences.
                    1. Akim
                      Akim 11 July 2013 20: 22
                      +1
                      Quote: Tankomaster
                      Yes, I agree that the AZ is similar to the Leclerc AZ, but there are subtleties and significant differences.


                      Of course, this is not a copy or license, but the fact that the French helped the Kharkiv at the initial stage was openly talked about this ten years ago. They helped the Poles for the RT-91/120 tank, but there the machine failed and the project died. (Although the model was shown at that time in Peru).
                      1. Tankomaster
                        Tankomaster 11 July 2013 22: 40
                        0
                        There was cooperation with the French on the T-72MP tank, on the sighting system, more precisely on the installation of the French panorama, and they had nothing to do with the Ministry of Health, carefully read the messages and brochures.
                        1. Akim
                          Akim 11 July 2013 23: 00
                          +1
                          Quote: Tankomaster
                          they had no relation whatsoever, carefully read the messages and brochures.

                          I will not argue to prove If you want - let it be so. In order not to destroy the illusory national pride. Apparently you all know, tk. there is a lot of "writing" in advertising booklets and on websites. And about how the first experienced BTR-3 sank, and the fact that a tower from a troika (BMP-3) was installed on it. You read about the final product, and I received information then via the "soldier's telegraph". Links, comments were not like that. Only 6 years ago I mastered the Internet. So I believe such rumors more than advertising. They have not failed yet.
                        2. Tankomaster
                          Tankomaster 12 July 2013 11: 00
                          0
                          I participated in these works. And the first BTR-3 with the DA index was developed and assembled in 2,5 months.
                          On the BTR-3, the tower from the BMP-3 was never installed.
                          Although such work was carried out at KhZTM, department 65. On the basis of the KShM BTR-80, a tower with an BMP-3 was actually installed. And the car was diving, but only in the experimental pool.
                          So the work was canceled, and the department was disbanded and the plant management was changed. Although there were still a lot of lupus there including the delivery of the BTR-94.
                          But this is a separate issue.
        2. Warrawar
          Warrawar 11 July 2013 13: 31
          +2
          Quote: Basileus
          As far as I remember, the T-90SM has a roughly similar sight.

          Yes, they are all roughly "similar".
          The T-90 MS is equipped with the Kalina fire control system, Russian-made. And I hope it will be the same in the future.

          http://gurkhan.blogspot.ru/2011/09/90_23.html

          http://topwar.ru/7117-t-90ms-tagil-sistema-upravleniya-ognem.html
      2. Alexander D.
        Alexander D. 11 July 2013 19: 42
        0
        And how many "brothers" did you personally "hold out" at your own expense? Recently, the Russian Federation refuses any joint projects with Ukraine. And not because it is economically unprofitable for it, but because Ukraine does not want to be on a par with Ingushetia, Chechnya, Tatarstan, etc.
        1. Ilyas
          Ilyas 11 July 2013 20: 19
          0
          Russia is cooperating while there is an opportunity. Chechnya is littered with money, Tatarstan itself is powerful and poured a bunch of dough towards the Universiade. As for Ingushetia - not in the know.

          The Russian Federation does not want to cooperate with Ukraine because of the instability of its (Ukrainian-their) interests. Today Ukraine is for the EU, tomorrow for the Russian Federation, the day after tomorrow again for the EU, it’s time to finally be determined, damn it! time is running out ...
          1. Alexander D.
            Alexander D. 11 July 2013 22: 14
            +6
            Quote: Ilyas
            Russia is cooperating while there is an opportunity. Chechnya is littered with money, Tatarstan itself is powerful and poured a bunch of dough towards the Universiade. As for Ingushetia - not in the know.

            The Russian Federation does not want to cooperate with Ukraine because of the instability of its (Ukrainian-their) interests. Today Ukraine is for the EU, tomorrow for the Russian Federation, the day after tomorrow again for the EU, it’s time to finally be determined, damn it! time is running out ...

            You know, many Ukrainians, including myself, would not want to enter anywhere, but would like to work quietly and peacefully and not be attached to any contracts. If you want to cooperate and trade with us, then we are always open to mutually beneficial cooperation. And if we are forcibly driven into a thread by a coalition, then we will hide and partisan through the forests. We need trade and work, not unions and membership.
            1. Ilyas
              Ilyas 11 July 2013 22: 24
              0
              If you want to cooperate and trade with us, then we are always open to mutually beneficial cooperation.


              The EU with its requirements - is it really cooperation?
              http://politikus.ru/v-rossii/5309-putin-ustami-glazeva-postavil-ukraine-ultimatu
              m.html
              sad as it is, it’s impossible to be a little pregnant.
            2. 101
              101 11 July 2013 23: 33
              +4
              Well, think what you are writing. In this world, there is no time to understand either trade or work for strangers. Look around. Only unions and coalitions. They all have what they want.
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  • Sewer
    Sewer 11 July 2013 12: 57
    +3
    Of course, I’m glad for the brothers of the Slavs, but what kind of lar did they all reduce and reduce the army? And then there was news about the cut in the literal sense of the word tanks?
    1. vilenich
      vilenich 11 July 2013 18: 55
      +2
      Quote: Sewer
      but what kind of crap do they all reduce and reduce the army?

      This is not a secret, there is not enough money to maintain and rearm ...
  • Kowalsky
    Kowalsky 11 July 2013 12: 57
    17
    I was always confused only that it is so big. In real battle, they will tear down a fragment or the first machine-gun burst. Yes, this applies not only to this scope.
    1. Basileus
      Basileus 11 July 2013 13: 21
      +5
      It's funny Your comment is minus, and a similar one (although more detailed, but with the same content) below is plus. But the idea is correct - how long will all the attachments withstand, find yourself in a tank in a situation similar to the Syrian? Under mortar or artillery fire?
  • bootlegger
    bootlegger 11 July 2013 13: 02
    16
    He may be good, but I see a significant flaw.
    It seems to me, due to the size of the optics, this sight will not remain operational for long. The tank is not a submarine and under conditions of intense combat interaction it is constantly fired from various types of weapons.
    This is a normal, working situation for him.
    What condition these vehicles are in during the fighting is evident from reports from Syria. How long would this fragile device last?
    In appearance, the booths of this sight, you can’t say that it can withstand the penetration of armor-piercing bullets, at least from the SVD. A 12,7-caliber machine gun will chop it down at the moment. And even if it doesn’t penetrate the body, it’ll destroy all the optics.
    And what next do the tank?
    It seems to me that modern combat vehicles should not have such obviously weak points.
    1. Kars
      Kars 11 July 2013 13: 09
      +5
      ________________________
      1. Kars
        Kars 11 July 2013 13: 13
        +3
        ______________________
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 11 July 2013 13: 46
          +5


          1. Kars
            Kars 11 July 2013 13: 59
            +4
            ______________________________
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 11 July 2013 14: 25
              0
              This is A7 +. Upgrade package.
              1. Kars
                Kars 11 July 2013 14: 29
                +1
                Quote: Spade
                This is A7 +.

                Can not be))))
                Quote: Spade
                Upgrade package.

                And how did the panarama decrease?
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 11 July 2013 14: 49
                  +2
                  Of course decreased. Look at the later photos where he is with the blade.

                  And even that bucket
                  and. less Ukrainian
                  b. closes with armored shutters.
                  1. Kars
                    Kars 11 July 2013 15: 03
                    +3
                    Quote: Spade
                    Of course decreased

                    Where? And go ahead compared to your A5
                    Quote: Spade
                    and. less Ukrainian

                    Are you sure? Maybe this is Optical illusions?
                    Quote: Spade
                    b. closes with armored shutters

                    As I understand it, it’s unrealistic to make a closing armored shutter for the discussed sight?
                    Quote: Spade
                    Look at the later photos where he is with the blade.

                    Show, prove that it is late, and is not a photo of another upgrade package.
                    1. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 11 July 2013 15: 10
                      +4
                      Quote: Kars
                      As I understand it, it’s unrealistic to make a closing armored shutter for the discussed sight?

                      I don’t know, this should be asked from your developers.


                      Quote: Kars
                      Show, prove that it is late, and is not a photo of another upgrade package.

                      More recent. They simply did not think to declare it "not inferior to foreign analogs" and stop modifying it.
                      1. Kars
                        Kars 11 July 2013 15: 34
                        +1
                        Quote: Spade
                        Later

                        And if I say earlier?
                        Quote: Spade
                        They just didn't think to declare it "not inferior to foreign analogues" and stop modifying

                        And how can you confirm these words?


                        And if you look closely, you will realize that the dimensions are approximately equal, and at distances of more than 50 meters are indistinguishable.
                        Quote: Spade
                        I don’t know, this should be asked from your developers.


                        It’s strange about the Germans to say so surely, well, what do you suppose? And as for the armored shutters --- then of course in combat conditions the sights will probably be constantly closed, why look for targets, you need to protect the optics))))))
                      2. Kars
                        Kars 11 July 2013 15: 42
                        +1
                        ________________
                      3. Kars
                        Kars 11 July 2013 15: 44
                        +1
                        Quote: Spade
                        Look at the later photos where he is with the blade.

                        Something tells me the short gun that this is A5
                        and the dimensions are quite comparable.
                      4. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 11 July 2013 16: 52
                        +1
                        Quote: Kars
                        Something tells me the short gun that this is A5

                        The upgrade kit A7 + does not provide for the replacement of tools
                  2. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 11 July 2013 15: 54
                    0
                    Quote: Kars
                    And if I say earlier?

                    But later revealed? It's hard to believe.

                    Quote: Kars
                    And how can you confirm these words?

                    The lack of a Ukrainian "bucket" with a smaller size.


                    Quote: Kars
                    And if you look closely you will realize that the dimensions are approximately equal

                    Compare with the tanker's head.


                    Quote: Kars
                    and at distances of more than 50 meters are indistinguishable.

                    Is not a fact. What kind of traitor suggested placing the glass at such an angle? If only a visor was put so as not to glare


                    Quote: Kars
                    It’s strange about the Germans to say so confidently, but what about yourself
                    suggest?

                    I also treat ours, talking about "at the level of foreign analogues" and "having no analogues in the world". Yes, we are far behind. But this does not mean that you need to self-soothe yourself.
                  3. Kars
                    Kars 11 July 2013 18: 37
                    +3
                    Quote: Spade
                    But later revealed? It's hard to believe.

                    Maybe you saw her later?
                    Quote: Spade
                    The lack of a Ukrainian "bucket" with a smaller size.

                    How does this prove something?
                    Quote: Spade
                    Compare with the tanker's head.

                    I see with your eyesight is very bad?
                    Quote: Spade
                    Is not a fact

                    Fact
                    Quote: Spade
                    What kind of traitor suggested placing the glass at such an angle? If only a visor was put so as not to glare

                    How many sights have you designed?
                    Quote: Spade
                    I also treat ours, talking about "at the level of foreign analogues" and "having no analogues in the world"

                    You were not asked about that.

                    Here is another chance for you to look, specially singled out and enlarged, it may be easier for you. But knowing you not for the first day, you say black if anything on white.
                  4. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 11 July 2013 18: 48
                    +1
                    Quote: Kars
                    Maybe you saw her later?

                    No. The first show at the exhibition in 2010, and the photo with the dump in 2011. Simple arithmetic.

                    Quote: Kars
                    I see with your eyesight is very bad?

                    Dear, the Ukrainian "bucket" is bigger than a tank hatch.

                    German is slightly larger than the head of a tanker. So what about vision is more a question for you.

                    Quote: Kars
                    How many sights have you designed?

                    And how much has the developer of this sight covered targets that have betrayed themselves with a glare of optics?
                  5. Kars
                    Kars 11 July 2013 19: 05
                    +3
                    Quote: Spade
                    No. The first show at the exhibition in 2010, and the photo with the dump in 2011. Simple arithmetic.

                    Simple arithmetic? Are you sure that it fits? A Leopard 2A7 is one thing, and a Leopard 2A5 with a set of the so-called .. city battle is another?
                    Quote: Spade
                    Dear, the Ukrainian "bucket" is bigger than a tank hatch.

                    And? At the same time, the size is comparable to the size of the Leclerc and Leopard 2 sights, the Japanese Type 10 is also similar if you take a pedestal, and not just lenses. Not the fact that I will not put the mentioned sights in the same position with the Oplot hatch.
                    Quote: Spade
                    German is slightly larger than the head of a tanker. So what about vision is more a question for you.

                    I said white, say black.
                    Quote: Spade
                    And how much has the developer of this sight covered targets that have betrayed themselves with a glare of optics?

                    Anti-glare coating?
                  6. Kars
                    Kars 11 July 2013 19: 24
                    +2
                    But Altai boxes
                  7. ayyildiz
                    ayyildiz 11 July 2013 19: 45
                    0
                    Altai Tower is the layout here! hi
                2. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 11 July 2013 19: 31
                  +1
                  Quote: Kars
                  and Leopard 2A5 with a set of the so-called .. city battle is another?

                  Are you sure that we are talking about the Leopard 2A7, and not about the upgrade kit 2A7 +?

                  Quote: Kars
                  And? At the same time, the size is comparable with the size of the sights of Leclerc and Leopardv 2

                  Just twice as much? You are essentially making a feint with your ears, taking into account not the unprotected sighting part, but the full size, and only in height. The Leopard's panoramic viewfinder is about the size of a tanker's head, and you can't do anything about that.

                  Quote: Kars
                  Anti-glare coating?

                  Do you know what anti-reflective coating is? What does it have to do with unmasking glare from optics? The only option that is currently known is either hoods, or this kind of optic head:
                3. Kars
                  Kars 11 July 2013 19: 46
                  +1
                  Quote: Spade
                  Are you sure that we are talking about the Leopard 2A7, and not about the upgrade kit 2A7 +?


                  Wow. + But are you sure that there is generally a Leopard A7 and this is not a collective expression? But you didn’t pay attention to something on RSO.
                  Quote: Spade
                  Just twice as much?

                  Well, I said that you have vision problems.
                  Quote: Spade
                  The Leopard's panoramic sight is the size of a tanker's head, and you can't do anything about it

                  With a head? I wonder how he climbs into a tank with such a head)))

                  Quote: Spade
                  Do you know what anti-reflective coating is?
                  I have on the monitor.


                  Leo A5 add index yourself?
                4. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 11 July 2013 19: 57
                  +2
                  Quote: Kars
                  Well, I said that you have vision problems.

                  Clickable
                5. Kars
                  Kars 11 July 2013 20: 11
                  +1
                  Quote: Spade
                  Clickable

                  Well, a joker, well, hung)))) is visible not only with vision problems)))

                  Still, the tanks in the same proportion were filled, and the head of the Japanese was nailed to ours)))
                6. Kars
                  Kars 11 July 2013 20: 23
                  +1
                  Here by the way closed by a bulletproof shield
                7. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 11 July 2013 20: 33
                  +3
                  If my vision does not fail me, this lid is screwed on four "lambs"
              2. Kars
                Kars 11 July 2013 20: 23
                +1
                But the smaller sight on the T-64E
              3. Tankomaster
                Tankomaster 11 July 2013 22: 42
                +1
                this ponama without an optical observation channel.
              4. Alexander D.
                Alexander D. 11 July 2013 23: 52
                +3
                Quote: Tankomaster
                this ponama without an optical observation channel.

                This panoramic complex is similar to what Belarusians do (which is also without a visual (optical) channel). He simply showed that Ukraine also knows how to make miniature panoramic sights with thermal imaging channels. This is the way PNK-3.
          2. Lopatov
            Lopatov 11 July 2013 20: 27
            +2
            The Germans have a sighting part the size of a tanker's head. Yours have more than a tank hatch. What is the problem? With vision is not very? Like chewed to the limit.
          3. Kars
            Kars 11 July 2013 20: 48
            +1
            Quote: Spade
            Germans sighting part the size of a tanker’s head. Yours have more than a tank hatch. What is the problem? With vision is not very? Like chewed to the limit.



            Well, they’ve come down to determine the dimensions of the lenses))) for the fragments mentioned here and 30 mm cannons, the whole bucket is considered)) And there are 15 cm more lenses

            And still comparative characteristics - the size of the fields of view, angles.

            about chewing yourself chew))) we have a sight from the tanker's head)))) armored shutter))
            Quote: Spade
            If my vision does not fail me, this lid is screwed on four "lambs"

            It doesn’t change, but why? It can be screwed on two. At least you can show the automatic closing mechanism to the pan-Germans or Abrash.
          4. Lopatov
            Lopatov 11 July 2013 21: 56
            0
            Quote: Kars
            for the fragments mentioned here

            Do you think Ukrainian and German developers are so narrow-minded that they didn’t book visors where possible?
            Well, I would have looked at firing a BMP at a tank with a 30-mm gun. Is this something like a Japanese banzai attack?

            It doesn’t change, but what’s it for? You can screw it on two.

            Yes, at least on one. In any case, in order to remove it or put it on, it is necessary to climb out of the hatch. That with artillery fire raid is somewhat unsafe.
            And the Germans shutter obviously closes from the inside.
          5. Kars
            Kars 11 July 2013 22: 34
            +1
            Quote: Spade
            Do you think Ukrainian and German developers are so narrow-minded that they didn’t book visors where possible?

            I believe that they did not post protivosnaryadny booking, and not on the viziers. If you already want to be precise.
            Quote: Spade
            Well, I would have looked at firing a BMP at a tank with a 30-mm gun. Is this something like a Japanese banzai attack?

            of the machine guns so often mentioned here is this I look at the order of things? And in Chechnya the T-72s corrupted a 14.5 mm shower. And no one canceled the ambush either. But by the way, this is not a question for me.
            Quote: Spade
            Yes, at least on one. In any case, in order to remove it or put it on, it is necessary to climb out of the hatch. That with artillery fire raid is somewhat unsafe.
            And the Germans shutter obviously closes from the inside.

            Yes, it will, but at the same time the scope will turn towards the hatch, and it will be enough to unscrew one .. lamb .. Do the Germans clearly? Something is not very. Especially on 6-ke
  • Kars
    Kars 11 July 2013 19: 48
    +3
    Well, nifiga yourself a tanker’s head))))
  • Kars
    Kars 16 July 2013 22: 29
    +1
    ______________
  • Dart weyder
    Dart weyder 11 July 2013 23: 06
    0
    Quote: Spade
    And even that bucket
    and. less Ukrainian
    b. closes with armored shutters.

    Well, do not get excited - a) if there was an aggregate, they would manage to reduce it
    b) and someone compared the dimensional characteristics of the sights, or purely "by eye" !? - so in foreign tanks the tower is almost twice as large, and against its background it certainly looks miniature ...

    but it wouldn’t hurt to reduce it, it sticks out too much, or redo the tower (although it’s silly to cut a tower under the sight - it’s easier to modify the sight)
  • Apologet.Ru
    Apologet.Ru 11 July 2013 13: 10
    +6
    hi And are the sights of Russian (German, American) production devoid of this drawback? winked
    1. bootlegger
      bootlegger 11 July 2013 13: 21
      +4
      NATO has a different tactic for conducting a tank battle. They, nevertheless, try to prevent close combat contact between their vehicles and the enemy.
      I don’t know how their cars would have shown themselves in a combat situation like the Syrian, but I think that it doesn’t matter.
      The T90MS has a similar device, all the same, a little smaller, although not enough.
    2. Tatar
      Tatar 11 July 2013 13: 27
      +2
      what difference does it make with us, we need better!
  • Tankomaster
    Tankomaster 11 July 2013 13: 35
    +3
    Who uses tanks in the city? This is prohibited by charters.
    Tanks in the city are used because there are no special fire support vehicles, although they have been talking about this for many years, but things are still there.
    And the fact that you can withdraw a queue or from a sniper in the field, I doubt, try to shoot at a moving tank, in the City at stops it is possible. With 30mm you can quickly demolish. I agree with this and have tried it in practice.
    But as they say, shoot first.
    This is a sight for tanks that have completely exhausted themselves, he was 20 years late.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 11 July 2013 13: 42
      +6
      Quote: Tankomaster
      Who uses tanks in the city? This is prohibited by charters.

      Have you ever read them?
      1. cdrt
        cdrt 11 July 2013 16: 39
        0
        + To you.
        It seems like the opposite - the use is recommended. Only wisely. Actually VChV and showed how it is possible to use armored vehicles in the city effectively.
      2. Tankomaster
        Tankomaster 11 July 2013 20: 00
        0
        The statutes and instructions are written in blood.
        I read and know, and I never would have brought my tanks into the city.
        Only weak-willed dolbyotyatly carry out the initial order, which they give .....
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 11 July 2013 20: 10
          +4
          This is from BUSV, the third part. Do you still claim that the combat charter prohibits the inclusion of tanks in assault groups and assault squads?
          1. Tankomaster
            Tankomaster 11 July 2013 22: 59
            -1
            This is the BUSV of 2005, when it was necessary to justify the loss of BT in urban conditions, I also studied the Union charters and explained to us clearly and precisely that there was nothing for tanks in the city to do, with which I completely agree.
            We developed a MOS for fighting in the city, but things didn’t move beyond those projects because of the collapse of the Union, and Chechnya fully confirmed our calculations and the Army washed itself with blood ....
            And then, in order to justify the loss of BT in the city, they introduced points on the inclusion of BT in assault groups. How beautiful the diagram is and how painful it is in reality ....
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 11 July 2013 23: 30
              +5
              Do you need similar quotes from Soviet charters?
              Here is from BUSV ch2 1982, where "they explained clearly and precisely that there was nothing for tanks in the city to do"
              1. Aleks tv
                Aleks tv 12 July 2013 00: 26
                +1
                Quote: Spade
                Here is from BUSV x2 1982 of the year,


                Offset, even the second part. And then I was too lazy to look.

                Quote: Tankomaster
                I studied the Union charters and explained to us clearly and precisely that there was nothing for tanks to do in the city,


                All (including me) in the Soviet era taught some charters, and you, alone, for some reason others ...
                Well, it happens.

                Quote: Tankomaster
                We developed MOS for fighting in the city,


                Wonderful. All something is constantly developed, not you alone. Do not give out your own thoughts as an axiom of correctness.

                Fighting in the city is a SPECIAL ORDER. This is one of the most complicated systems. No one argues that there was no idiocy in the Czech Republic. was.
                But completely exclude tanks from urban combat ... well, then go yourself into this "principled" battle.
                The shock core of the fire groups will still consist of tanks, plus other armored vehicles, this is confirmed by practice, here it has already been discussed.
                Assault groups, cover and support groups will also exist.
                Lisaped was invented a long time ago, it must be improved, but not invented, this is called the Charter.
              2. Tankomaster
                Tankomaster 12 July 2013 11: 06
                -1
                "" "That, I see, from the armored vehicles of the Maikop motorized rifle brigade, in Grozny, nothing remained.
                It turns out that the Chechens did not read the charters, and because of their lack of education, they simply, stupidly burned all the armored vehicles from grenade launchers. At the same time, he practically did not suffer any losses, since they were beaten from the windows of high-rise buildings.
                And the fact that the tank gun rises only 15 degrees is nothing? In a city with high-rise buildings is this not a hindrance? "" "
                Here is the answer to although you have to read the charter for 90 years.
    2. Rakti-kali
      Rakti-kali 11 July 2013 14: 42
      0
      Quote: Tankomaster
      Who uses tanks in the city? This is prohibited by charters.

      Neighing. You read the relevant Charter first, so as not to write nonsense.
      Quote: Tankomaster
      Tanks in the city are used because there are no special fire support vehicles

      belay Oh, wei ... and the men don’t know ... You don’t write this anymore ... my back hurts, and it’s hard to get out of the poztol. laughing
      1. Tankomaster
        Tankomaster 11 July 2013 20: 03
        0
        Learn Russian and read the charters.
        The statutes and instructions are written in blood.
        1. Rakti-kali
          Rakti-kali 11 July 2013 22: 18
          0
          Quote: Tankomaster
          Learn Russian and read the charters.

          My dear friend, you can poke your mother, but I did not drink to broodershaft with you and did not allow me to switch to "you".
          About reading the charters you made me laugh. Indeed, it is ridiculous when it is proposed to be done by someone who did not even hold a charter.
    3. Aleks tv
      Aleks tv 11 July 2013 14: 45
      +1
      Quote: Tankomaster
      Who uses tanks in the city? This is prohibited by charters.


      Read the BUSW before writing. There are no secret parts of this Charter on the Internet.
      So it is necessary to apply them (at least) according to BUS.
    4. Sanyl
      Sanyl 11 July 2013 16: 07
      +1
      According to all charters, a tank is a mandatory attribute of military operations in a city. The expediency of this was shown by the battle for Berlin and most of the subsequent conflicts. The presence of tanks dramatically increases the effectiveness of the offensive in the city and reduces losses in manpower.
      1. dominatus
        dominatus 11 July 2013 18: 47
        +2
        That, I look, from the armored vehicles of the Maykop motorized rifle brigade, in Grozny, nothing remained.
        It turns out that the Chechens did not read the charters, and because of their lack of education, they simply, stupidly burned all the armored vehicles from grenade launchers. At the same time, he practically did not suffer any losses, since they were beaten from the windows of high-rise buildings.
        And the fact that the tank gun rises by only 60 degrees is nothing? Is it a hindrance in a city with high-rise buildings?
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 11 July 2013 18: 51
          +7
          The fact is that not only Chechens, but also those who made the decision to introduce equipment in the columns did not read the charters.
          1. Tankomaster
            Tankomaster 11 July 2013 20: 02
            -1
            And where is the logic in your words ???
        2. Aleks tv
          Aleks tv 11 July 2013 19: 14
          0
          Quote: dominatus
          That, I look, from the armored vehicles of the Maykop motorized rifle brigade, in Grozny, nothing remained.


          Listen, great special, don’t scoff.
          There was trouble.
          On another topic, train your verbal speed.
          1. Tankomaster
            Tankomaster 11 July 2013 19: 50
            -1
            The trouble was from ignorance of the charters.
            The statutes and instructions are written in blood.
            1. Basileus
              Basileus 12 July 2013 07: 38
              0
              What a bloodthirsty you are. Already what comment, and all charters and blood. You have already been given examples from the charters, and about the storming of cities during the Second World War (well, the last example is not entirely suitable - anti-tank grenade launchers just appeared there) they remembered.
        3. Rakti-kali
          Rakti-kali 11 July 2013 22: 28
          +4
          Quote: dominatus
          And the fact that the tank gun rises by only 60 degrees is nothing?

          Excuse me, which tank has such an anti-aircraft gun?
          Quote: dominatus
          simply, stupidly burned all the armored vehicles from grenade launchers. At the same time, he practically did not suffer any losses, since they were beaten from the windows of high-rise buildings.

          Not from any window you can shoot from an RPG. Shooting from RPGs from the premises is also often impossible, and you can remain crippled after that.
          That, I look, from the armored vehicles of the Maykop motorized rifle brigade, in Grozny, nothing remained.

          Most of the equipment burned when it was without crews. And without security. This is not the merit of the bandits, but the criminal negligence of the brigade officers.
      2. Vereshagin
        Vereshagin 11 July 2013 21: 58
        0
        In the battles for Berlin, the use of self-propelled guns SU-76 was recognized as more effective!
    5. Tersky
      Tersky 11 July 2013 22: 53
      +3
      Quote: Tankomaster
      Tanks in the city are used because there are no special fire support vehicles, although they have been talking about this for many years, but things are still there.

      : "TERMINATOR" Fire support combat vehicle
      1. Tankomaster
        Tankomaster 12 July 2013 11: 11
        0
        this machine is not intended for battle in the city, this is unfortunately a mistake and very big.
        But they were able to do it and are pushed, although it is slightly better than the tank, but does not meet the requirements of the MOP by 80%
    6. Artyom
      Artyom 11 July 2013 23: 21
      0
      You would have told the Syrians that they would have marveled at such expressions bully I recommend a look to the zealots of the charter laughing
  • dominatus
    dominatus 11 July 2013 18: 55
    +2
    Did it ever occur to you that glass can be armored? That’s why the weight is not so small.
    Therefore, the bullet from the SVD can withstand even without cracking. And you still need to get into it from the NSW, and this despite the fact that the tank does not stand still - it constantly maneuvers and rotates the turret.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 11 July 2013 19: 35
      +8
      Quote: dominatus
      Did it ever occur to you that glass can be armored? That’s why the weight is not so small.
      Therefore, the bullet from the SVD can withstand even without cracking.


      Do you know how armored glass stops a bullet or a splinter? That's right, spending bullet energy on its cracking.
      1. Alexander D.
        Alexander D. 11 July 2013 23: 35
        0
        Here it’s like glass does not break through http://www.aviaglass.com/special.php
        And to replace bulletproof glass or to replace completely a panorama - decide for yourself which is cheaper and more expedient.
  • Russ69
    Russ69 11 July 2013 13: 06
    +4
    According to the performance characteristics, the device is normal as. But the sizes, to any gate do not climb. It is still necessary to refine and refine.
  • rudolff
    rudolff 11 July 2013 13: 46
    +5
    N-yes, the part of the complex protruding above the tower asks: shoot me! And the weight is rather big, 400 kg. Maybe the optical channel would make sense to place it separately and in a recessed container, you won’t make miniature optics.
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    1. Apollo
      Apollo 11 July 2013 14: 19
      +1
      infographics on the specified topic
  • Starover_Z
    Starover_Z 11 July 2013 14: 18
    +2
    I have already noted comments regarding the size of this complex.
    PNK-6 - Ukrainian tank panoramic sight is not inferior to foreign analogues ...
    chest target?
  • Bashkaus
    Bashkaus 11 July 2013 14: 26
    +6
    Well done brothers, your mother’s family, you wanted democracy, publicity, adjustment and independence.
    Yes, now our design bureaus would have met, drank some tea, showed each other their "crap", one is good for some, another for others, and they would produce something third that absorbed the best from both. No fuck. Give some Square, the second don't want to drag the other on their hump. What is the bottom line? As a result, DESTRUCTION!
    So which of you is proud of the An-124? I think both Russians and Ukrainians are equally proud, but where is that same Ruslan, everyone can’t fix the issue. Because of such foolishness a great country has been drained, because of such greed and now we are swallowing dust, and who is the winner?
    And still, the good fellows, Ukrainians, in spite of the stupid government, stood the designer and still create.
    1. dominatus
      dominatus 12 July 2013 01: 36
      +2
      So you can make a good thing without a "glass of tea".
      Example: KAZ "Zaslon".
      Ukraine did not have access to the documentation of the Soviet "Drozd", let alone the Russian "Arena".
      Russia refused to supply "Arena" for Ukrainian T-84 on the eve of the Greek and Turkish tenders.
      As a result (knowing the performance characteristics of "Arena" published in the press), the Ukrainian design bureaus created "Zaslon". When creating which took into account all the shortcomings of the "Arena".
      As a result, we got KAZ, which in all respects exceeds the "Arena" and today is one of the best in the world. Moreover, the "Zaslon" can be easily installed on any type of equipment, from a car to a tank, since it is DIFFERENT from the "thrush" and "Arena".
      KAZ "screen" is a set of separate, independent modules, while the Russian KAZ have one common radar.
      If I'm wrong, correct me.
  • seller trucks
    seller trucks 11 July 2013 14: 33
    +1
    The PNK-6 Ukrainian tank panoramic sight is not inferior to anything and even surpasses foreign analogues in some characteristics.


    That's interesting, but besides the Ukrainians, does anyone know about this? Actually, I have nothing against it, I just remember the dance around Oplot - the best in the world, the T-90 smokes on the sidelines, and in 13 years there is one Thai contract, not good too. I am plagued by vague doubts that the sight has a future, Russia will not buy a love for itself, NATO member countries, I doubt it, but it is possible to equip its own, and that is hardly a pittance. Well, something like this.
    1. Warrawar
      Warrawar 11 July 2013 15: 05
      +3
      Quote: seller trucks
      That's interesting, but besides the Ukrainians, does anyone know about this?

      Of course not - this is just another information cast, designed for the post-Soviet space. By analogy with the "great" victory of the "Oplot" tank in the Thai tender. When it was stated that the "stronghold" allegedly defeated the Leopard and the T-90 in fair competition and generally the best tank in the world. But in fact, there was not even any tender, they just agreed among themselves and apparently not for free.
      1. seller trucks
        seller trucks 11 July 2013 15: 23
        +3
        Quote: Warrawar
        No, of course - this is another information cast designed for the post-Soviet space.


        oh, brush, I knew that. but I had more fun
        After modernization, the Ukrainian tank "Yatagan" may become one of the best in the world


        http://topwar.ru/25463-posle-modernizacii-ukrainskiy-tank-yatagan-mozhet-stat-od
        nim-iz-luchshih-v-mire.html

        have not yet been modernized, but it’s already the best, we got rural show-offs.
        1. Warrawar
          Warrawar 11 July 2013 17: 26
          +2
          Well, yes, as always. But what’s actually:

          NATO wants to destroy Ukrainian tanks
          The North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) will offer Ukraine to slice and re-melt old Soviet T-64 tanks, Capital writes with reference to Vasily Litvinchuk, project manager for NSPA (NATO Logistics Agency) in Ukraine.

          A NATO delegation will arrive in Kiev at the end of July to discuss this issue. The destruction of tanks will be funded by donor countries under the Trust Fund for the NATO Partnership for Peace program.

          http://gurkhan.blogspot.ru/2013/07/64.html

          There is nothing for them to handicraft their damask steel, scimitars and strongholds.
          1. dominatus
            dominatus 12 July 2013 01: 43
            -1
            In Ukraine they say: "dumkoy bagatie"
            C Firstly, such a proposal has not even been made yet, "and secondly, why did you decide that Ukraine would agree to it?

            And what about the Russians with the Peruvian tender? Something all stalled. Sent to the T-90 tender - and silence.
            By the way, Ukraine has the option of modernizing the Peruvian T-55, on which PNK-6 can be installed. It was the upgraded T-55 that Ukraine put up for the Peruvian tender, since upgrading the T-55 is much cheaper than acquiring new MBTs.
  • Aleks tv
    Aleks tv 11 July 2013 14: 37
    +8
    Very nice device !!!

    This was not enough for us, he wrote more than once.
    It may seem strange, but the goal to destroy is easier than timely to detect and identify by degree of danger.
    Yes it is.
    Glad for the Ukrainians. This, incidentally, impresses our MS.

    The commander's task is to find a target; this requires "wide" coverage in stabilization.
    The task of the gunner is to destroy the target, here you need a narrow spectrum in the strongest approximation.
    Improving the effectiveness of this interaction sharply increases the tank's potential even without changing weapons.

    TKN-3 is the most complete crap in our combat vehicles.
    Fuck what you see in it, especially in motion, and if you gape at the moment of a regular shot and put your forehead when you reload the PKT or just "crawl" at the R-173, then I don't want to go crazy over the head.
    It can be worse if you don’t look right at him at the moment of the same regular shot - he hits his eye sockets until dark in his eyes, bruises remain.
    Sometimes it was easier to get up on siduha and look out of the hatch for a split second.

    Confuses only its large size ...
    Nobody has canceled the shooting fire and fragments yet.
    Only mutual duplication of towers' devices, without it in any way.
    1. Sanyl
      Sanyl 11 July 2013 16: 20
      +1
      Why is everyone embarrassed by the possibility of destruction of small arms by fire? Panoramic is a consumable that can change after each battle. Even if damaged, the tank is not blind. There are observation devices (prismatic) of the driver, gunner, commander, as well as the aiming and observation complex of the gunner.
      1. Aleks tv
        Aleks tv 11 July 2013 16: 54
        +2
        Quote: Sanyl
        Why is everyone embarrassed by the possibility of destruction of small arms by fire?


        Alexander,
        But that's why it bothers me that it is amazed. Precedents were even with the breakdown of the output channel TPDK. And then such a d-u-ra ... and ask herself.

        Small arms, small art. Caliber, fragments from the PF - everything is on the theater.
        For example: the sighting line with 30-ki blows the upper trash from the armor by one or two. Of course, who will allow her such pleasure, but it is possible. And fragments of RP - it’s very realistic to get damaged.

        BUT - the device is very important and necessary. I with all arms and legs - FOR.
        Duplication of tower equipment is necessary.
  • Alexanderlaskov
    Alexanderlaskov 11 July 2013 14: 42
    +1
    Well done Ukrainians! Brain Guys!
  • Alexanderlaskov
    Alexanderlaskov 11 July 2013 15: 15
    0
    It is joyful to read about the successes of our brothers Slavs. And then some Americans flaunt their achievements. Slav power!
  • theadenter
    theadenter 11 July 2013 16: 22
    +1
    And how is this thing protected? In size it is huge, from the machine you must try not to get on it. What is the backup aiming system?
    1. Alexander D.
      Alexander D. 11 July 2013 20: 05
      0
      Quote: theadenter
      And how is this thing protected? In size it is huge, from the machine you must try not to get on it. What is the backup aiming system?

      Here is such a glass of Ukrainian production
      http://www.aviaglass.com/special.php
  • Slobozhanin
    Slobozhanin 11 July 2013 17: 47
    +2
    Quote: theadenter
    And how is this thing protected? In size it is huge, from the machine you must try not to get on it. What is the backup aiming system?

    I am far from being a tanker ... but I think if the crew of the tank in the "field" will give the infantry an opportunity to approach the "shooting" distance with impunity and hit the sight - then they are clearly blind in the tank and they still do not need it. And in the city this sight is also unnecessary (as I think). And judging by the performance characteristics, it is clearly designed to search for enemy equipment at a distance ... So when in contact with the infantry, it must be clearly closed or deployed back from the infantry. If not right, correct :)
    1. Vereshagin
      Vereshagin 11 July 2013 22: 06
      +1
      You are not a tanker ... crying
  • Coward
    Coward 11 July 2013 18: 18
    +1
    PNK-6 - Ukrainian tank panoramic sight is not inferior to foreign analogues (placement on the command tank)

    This is so that the enemy could quickly identify and destroy? How about the 41st?
  • Professor
    Professor 11 July 2013 18: 51
    -1
    ... it’s not inferior in anything, and in some respects even surpasses foreign analogues.

    Strangely enough, in no foreign article (England, France, Germany, USA, Israel ...) I have not met such an expression. Well, poor, what can you take from them? They do not reach the level of "world analogues". wassat
    1. Akim
      Akim 11 July 2013 19: 05
      +4
      Quote: Professor
      It’s strange somehow, in no foreign article (England, France, Germany, USA, Israel ...) I did not find such an expression


      Prof, I'm not going to prove that this is perfect, I haven't felt it. And articles of this type "the best Ukrainian aircraft engines" and "unparalleled sights" are also cheap PR. I'm not talking about that. Tell me, my dear friend, when did Western articles recognize the superiority of Soviet weapons? A young Italian with such fervor proved to me that their M48s were better than the Albanian T-55s, as if he himself was sitting in a tank turret
      1. Professor
        Professor 11 July 2013 19: 16
        +1
        Quote: Akim
        Tell me, my dear, when Western articles recognized the superiority of Soviet weapons? A young Italian with such fervor proved to me that their M48s were better than the Albanian T-55s, as if he himself was sitting in a tank tower

        I am not talking about that. Any individual can think what he wants, only for some reason the world is written for the most part in Russian ...
        1. Akim
          Akim 11 July 2013 19: 40
          +3
          Quote: Professor
          , except that for some reason the world is for some reason written mainly in Russian.

          Recently I watched Viasat History about Tolstoy. The Englishman said that Russian literature is a literature of extremes. "War and Peace" Crime and Punishment. Maybe these bravarian statements are part of the echoes of our culture?
          1. Professor
            Professor 11 July 2013 20: 35
            0
            Quote: Akim
            Recently I watched Viasat History about Tolstoy. The Englishman said that Russian literature is a literature of extremes. "War and Peace" Crime and Punishment. Maybe these bravarian statements are part of the echoes of our culture?

            "War and Peace" Crime and Punishment is a culture, and a lack of culture in the world.
            1. Akim
              Akim 11 July 2013 20: 42
              0
              Quote: Professor
              lacking analogues in the world - lack of culture.


              I support you and in no case do not justify such statements. I just put forward the version of why we are being maximized.
        2. PLO
          PLO 11 July 2013 20: 48
          +2
          I am not talking about that. Any individual can think what he wants, only for some reason the world is written for the most part in Russian ...

          yah)
          you probably haven’t watched the discovery for a long time, there’s one bald dude there, so he’s not inferior to anything without our analogs
    2. Vereshagin
      Vereshagin 11 July 2013 22: 08
      0
      Sorry, professor, for bragging - it's a "miscarriage" of pride.
  • Yankuz
    Yankuz 11 July 2013 19: 18
    0
    I wonder what Armata will tell us about this?
  • Quiet
    Quiet 11 July 2013 19: 38
    +1
    Quote: MIKHAN
    Well done Ukrainians !!



    I wonder what Rogozin will answer ????
    1. maxvet
      maxvet 12 July 2013 16: 32
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      private show wink
  • Vereshagin
    Vereshagin 11 July 2013 21: 55
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    The use of tanks during hostilities in the city, especially those that have stood and have been in service for decades, is a necessary measure. In conditions of urban combat, to destroy enemy’s manpower and firepower, of course, you need a well-armored fighting vehicle that can resist, at a minimum, rocket-propelled and hand-held anti-tank grenades, which do not need either a long-barreled gun, nor a super-caliber, or, in many cases, stabilized armament. And, here, the elevation angle of the gun, which has a sufficient rate of fire, the presence of an autonomous machine-gun mount and not on the commander’s hatch, the ability to hide behind armor to transport troops and hurry it without loss - this, IMHO, is the main thing.
    But there is no such car in the world ...
    The height of the head PNK-6 roofing felts 56, roofing felts 66 cm., But for sure that more than half a meter !!! It's a lot. The glass holds B32 and small fragments with cracking, after which the glass changes to a spare of spare parts. 12,7 mm “makes” the glass with a head mirror, after which it is necessary to change the head.
    The sight is generally good, there are definitely no analogues in the world (though only Ukrainian) ...
  • Slobozhanin
    Slobozhanin 12 July 2013 00: 05
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    Quote: Vereshagin
    You are not a tanker ... crying

    Not sinless :)
  • gladiatorakz
    gladiatorakz 12 July 2013 11: 59
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    Well done! development is underway means there is a school, scientific personnel, engineers and laboratories. Always happy for our people (Ukraine, Belarus, Russia) when they can think of and produce something. Usually such events are especially significant in that they do not happen "thanks", but "in spite of".
  • aspirin02
    aspirin02 13 July 2013 05: 00
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    And the Americans are proud of it ... They just forgot that they were at least 15 a year behind us ...
  • sergey158-29
    sergey158-29 15 July 2013 13: 32
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    Well done Ukrainians! good Of course, statements from the series that Michael Jackson is the same crest! lol But, that's why it is panoramic, so that not only the battlefield but also the air situation to observe !! Who is the main "enemy" of the tank - the HELICOPTER !!! Well, the dimensions can be reduced over time ... CONGRATULATIONS! drinks