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In the Altai Territory, soldiers who have written "Dag 05" and "Buryat" on their backs are convicted

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In the Altai Territory, soldiers who have written "Dag 05" and "Buryat" on their backs are convicted

In the Altai Territory, the Barnaul Garrison Military Court issued a verdict in a criminal case of an extremist crime. Two servicemen of the notorious military unit N41659 in Aleisk - rank and file of Taiga Bakhmudov and Zhargal Dondupov - were found guilty of mocking colleagues on national grounds.


Defendants were judged by the h. 1 Art. 282 (incitement to hatred or enmity, as well as the humiliation of human dignity) and in accordance with Art. HNUMX Art. 2 (violation of the statutory rules of relations between military personnel), according to the website of the Main Military Investigation Department of the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation. In addition, Bahmudov was convicted of extortion.

As a result, the court appointed Taiga Bahmudov a punishment in the form of 2 6 years of years with serving in a penal colony. Jargal Dondupov was sentenced to 1 and 6 months of imprisonment with a probation of one and a half years.

"Showed gestures symbolizing superiority and the suppression of the will"

According to the newspaper Kommersant, scandalous events occurred in the motorized rifle unit stationed in the city of Aleisk, Altai Territory. It was in this part of the summer of 2009, the 44 soldier, drafted from Dagestan, wall to wall came together with his fellow soldiers from other regions of Russia. In September, 2011, in part, another state of emergency happened - recruit Nikolai Morozov was beaten up by senior servicemen, and then dropped out of the window of the fourth floor of the barracks.

The incident involving Bakhmudov and Dondupov, according to the investigation, occurred on July 26 2012 of the year after the release. Then the servicemen "under threat of violence forced five of their colleagues of Slavic nationality to form one rank with their bare torso back to them," the SC said. Then, with the help of shaving foam, the attackers put letters on the backs of the soldiers, forming the words "Dag 05" and "Buryat" and were photographed against their background.

"During the shooting, they each time showed gestures symbolizing superiority and suppression of the will," the report says. Later Bahmudov posted photos on his page on the social network "Odnoklassniki.ru", accompanying them with the phrase "Hazing is and will be ...".

The victims did not report the facts of bullying to the law enforcement agencies. About what happened in the motorized rifle unit it became known only in November last year, when the pictures taken in the barracks caught the eye of military prosecutors.

It was also established that in January, 2013, Bahmudov, under the threat of beating, presented his colleague with “illegal demands for the transfer of funds in the amount of 1 thousand rubles”. As the assistant to the chairman of the military court, Konstantin Habarin, told Kommersant, at the trial, Bakhmudov and Dondupov admitted their guilt.

"Foamy" inscriptions are popular among "grandfathers"

Crime like the one committed in the Altai Territory is quite common in the Russian army. So, in December last year, the Volgograd garrison military court sentenced a Chechen serviceman, Shamil Belonos, accused of hazing and mocking Russian colleagues, to 2,5 years with serving in a penal colony. According to the investigation, a Chechen, while serving at the general military range of the Southern Military District, repeatedly beat and humiliated recruits. At the end of 2011, around midnight, he woke his colleagues, wrote shaving foam on their backs "Chechnya-95" and "Armenia" and took a picture on the camera of his phone.

In August last year in the Sverdlovsk region, two conscript servicemen from the Caucasian republics, Teimur Mamedov and Elbrus Musayev woke up their company at night, knocked out 16 servicemen, and then wrote the word Dagestan, Azerbaijan on their backs , "Gianza", QUBA. This was done, according to the UK, "to emphasize the weakness and submissiveness of his colleagues to the natives of the Caucasus." Bullying "grandfathers" also removed on mobile phones.
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  1. Apologet.Ru
    Apologet.Ru 11 July 2013 12: 08 New
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    hi
    It's high time to introduce a special subject "On the national pride of the Great Russians" ...
    1. My address
      My address 11 July 2013 12: 16 New
      +2
      Based on the article of the same name by Lenin.
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      2. Himalayan
        Himalayan 11 July 2013 12: 19 New
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        Taiga Bakhmudov and Zhargal Dondupov - Taiga and Don Dupov ... What can I add?
        1. malikszh
          malikszh 11 July 2013 21: 19 New
          +2
          You can add they kept the weight of the military unit fear together !!!
          1. Hleb
            Hleb 11 July 2013 21: 24 New
            +3
            there, their half hundred can be easily typed and, if something happens, they gather in a couple of minutes. It does not matter in the guard, the outfit ..
            1. malikszh
              malikszh 11 July 2013 21: 52 New
              +7
              Gleb, and Russian and other nationalities why are not going against these of them is not enough.
              1. Hleb
                Hleb 11 July 2013 21: 59 New
                +2
                and this is the question. and it is necessary to discuss first of all
              2. tverskoi77
                tverskoi77 11 July 2013 22: 38 New
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                and Russian and other nationalities why are not going against these few of them.
                , and if the Russians gather, it’s not tolerant and the terms will be given to them completely different + bought by Chechens and other colonels and other @ (prostitutes) from the headquarters of the units.
                1. Su24
                  Su24 12 July 2013 00: 28 New
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                  Quote: tverskoi77
                  and Russian and other nationalities why are not going against these few of them.
                  , and if the Russians gather, it’s not tolerant and the terms will be given to them completely different + bought by Chechens and other colonels and other @ (prostitutes) from the headquarters of the units.


                  Do not invent conspiracies. Russians now cannot get together, because the instinct has atrophied, in fact, we are becoming like a herd. Why haven't the Russians gathered? Because at least half of them were simply afraid that they might be beaten. Why scared? Because now, from childhood, they bring up that way. "Don't go there, sonny, or you'll fall," "don't mess with those, otherwise you'll end up in a fight." Etc. do not bring up normal men and the experience of the army, an isolated male collective is shocking.
                  In addition, "yard" street concepts do not even allow a collective statement to be written, because it is allegedly "zapadlo".
                  And on the other hand, immigrants from the Caucasus are a pronounced masculine type, from childhood accustomed by the tribal system to cohesion and to the ability to fight back.
                  1. tverskoi77
                    tverskoi77 12 July 2013 11: 05 New
                    +1
                    Do not invent conspiracies.

                    I partially agree with you on the education of youth, there is this factor. But Russia is not only within the Moscow Ring Road, where children can hide behind their parents' money or be rude in virtual space. And in a real situation, one-on-one is immediately targeted. But there are completely different Russian guys.
                    (below is my commentary with a recollection of an incident in the service, this will be a continuation of my answer to you).
            2. Troitsky
              Troitsky 12 July 2013 02: 51 New
              +1
              The thing is (he himself wasn’t in the army), as they explained to me, if an officer hit you, he won’t be anything, and if you raised your hand to the officer, he’s tribunal! And Caucasians often use their official position for the sake of these photos
            3. gladiatorakz
              gladiatorakz 12 July 2013 12: 09 New
              +3
              Quote: Gleb
              there, half a hundred of them can be easily typed and, if something happens, they gather in a couple of minutes.

              Waited for the guard. He took the machine gun and decided the national question in his favor. You can search for half a hundred. It just tells me that in a minute they not only gather, but also understand.
              This is if it does not work without an automatic machine. And so a knife, a mop, a past, teeth. Educational work should be carried out as hard as possible. Even if the person brought up does not survive.
              1. Hleb
                Hleb 12 July 2013 12: 20 New
                0
                I agree. why the barrel, ruining your life. earlier costing belts. the beds were dismantled. but that’s the problem, not only the barrel, but often no one to take the mop
                1. gladiatorakz
                  gladiatorakz 12 July 2013 12: 31 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Gleb
                  but that’s the problem, not only the barrel, but often no one to take the mop

                  Otozh. The education of the Spirit is a necessary discipline for the survival of the Rus. The education of a man should be from birth, and not from 18 to 19 years. And the education of the Warrior is even more so.
          2. 225chay
            225chay 12 July 2013 00: 17 New
            +2
            Quote: malikszh
            You can add they kept the weight of the military unit fear together !!!


            Tolerant so condemned for bullying and humiliation - conditionally and chemistry ...
            And about five years stuck - so the next ki would have thought whether or not to humiliate.
            In general, shame on the fighters! could the crowd if one is not able to mark at night pre-pillow covering
      3. evgenii67
        evgenii67 11 July 2013 12: 36 New
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        Yes, cut off their eggs and before the eyes of the "grandfathers" and others who are engaged in such nonsense to loom their own bells and say: "The guys behave themselves well, they are not made of iron."
        1. piterkras
          piterkras 11 July 2013 12: 41 New
          -17
          He laughed with you, Petrosyan. Joke more laughing .
          1. Himalayan
            Himalayan 11 July 2013 12: 48 New
            91
            The fact that a Special law for tribal ethnic communities is necessary is a long overdue necessity. As soon as these "Indians" climbed out of their reservations with their laws of blood feud, the rest of society remained in the role of "nerd". Only exactly the same measures against ethnic criminals as those that act in their tribes (like to remove scalps? - in return! They like to cut the head? - Chop off the baboon's head with an ax! A criminal on the run? - what to do ... - to cut a brother , matchmaker) Give time to ALL those involved in a pack of relatives: for aiding, harboring. Moreover, as for an organized criminal group, with a maximum, without the right to revise in the direction of leniency, a period
            1. Apologet.Ru
              Apologet.Ru 11 July 2013 12: 54 New
              100
              hi

              The fact that a special law is necessary for tribal ethnic communities is a long-overdue necessity.


              1. Mizhgan
                Mizhgan 11 July 2013 13: 49 New
                51
                It is necessary to crush these nits, I do not have tolerance for this case, if not cool ...
                1. valton
                  valton 11 July 2013 17: 13 New
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                  It is necessary as in case of a disease - the virus is treated with antibiotics. So here, a bullet in the head and there is no virus.
                  1. StolzSS
                    StolzSS 11 July 2013 21: 35 New
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                    As I can see, everyone is so brave. So smart with such advice ... And they themselves are weakly dag to omit ??? First you yourself write Russia on their backs. And then write here about laws and about all sorts of antibiotics. I despise the scribblers with cheap advice ... for 10 years that only one sergeant was afraid with the servicemen, there was a puny one who climbed into the dag at night and smashed his face into the stuffing duck and then had to send him out of sight to a distant lighthouse and scribble intricate ones to the homeland of this dag and ragged pieces of paper, they say, your conscript is behaving badly well, it just doesn't follow the commandments of the prophet and there are problems with colleagues ... in short, a few old people came to talk with the recruits from their native "aul", so quiet soft with their sticks they barely crawl ... Well, they went into the guest rooms that at the entrance for about 5 minutes they said, well, ours went out to smoke at the gate ... and upon their return they found such a funny picture just in oil. So the steep highlanders are on the floor and the old people are thrashing them with their sticks and something is broadcasting in their Churbek language .... in general, for the next year and a half, it was pleasant to work with these dags;
              2. lelikas
                lelikas 11 July 2013 16: 45 New
                +5
                Quote: Apologet.Ru
                hi

                The fact that a special law is necessary for tribal ethnic communities is a long-overdue necessity.




                Only now, showing a movie on TV, to please new values, they cut out this phrase ...
                1. cezarb95
                  cezarb95 12 July 2013 01: 05 New
                  +2
                  don’t be fooled, everything is normal, there is a phrase, I watched it on Ren TV recently, I saw this moment =)
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            2. Leisure
              Leisure 11 July 2013 13: 15 New
              -2
              How is like treated like? I think it's wrong. You cannot stoop to the level of a "savage". It is necessary to systematically identify, judge, plant. Who harbors and admits the crime is to plant.
              1. Apologet.Ru
                Apologet.Ru 11 July 2013 13: 28 New
                +9
                hi

                I think it's wrong. You cannot stoop to the level of a "savage".


                And in my opinion it’s very civilized, and most importantly, adequate.

                And you, colleague, what would you do in this situation as a controller?
              2. Sotnik77s
                Sotnik77s 11 July 2013 14: 57 New
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                Well, they’d have put the first Kadyrku, what are you waiting for? He himself was the first on the Central Television who showed off bragging about how he killed the first Russian soldier at the age of 16 !!!! there wasn’t a soldier there at all, and he was already killing there, in connection with this the question is, who did he kill this brave dzhigit there? correctly our Russian women and children, here was published an article by one comrade, a participant in the Chechen first war, he By the way, he lived there and saw how they wrapped guts on the fences of our Russian people. Nobody says that, well but to lower to the level of a savage, to be at the level of a civilized man? I AGREE !!!!!!!!!!!! so PLACE IT, why did you give him a star of a hero? for these exploits? GOOD FELLOWS !!!!!! !!!!!!!!
                1. Apologet.Ru
                  Apologet.Ru 11 July 2013 15: 05 New
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                  Quote Sotnik77s (2)
                  I AGREE !!!!!!!!!!!! so PLACE IT,well you they gave him a star of a hero? for these exploits?Well done!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


                  Colleague hi and who are you talking to now?
                  1. Apologet.Ru
                    Apologet.Ru 11 July 2013 17: 12 New
                    0
                    Unfortunately, there are no people authorized or able to translate your wish into practice on this site, unfortunately.
                    Or is there?
                    Colleagues, well, admit which of you "gave him a hero star" ...
                2. Dilshat
                  Dilshat 11 July 2013 17: 47 New
                  +2
                  And how has a civilized man always acted? By fire and sword always.
                3. AntonR7
                  AntonR7 11 July 2013 18: 11 New
                  +9
                  Here they gave a star to the youngest Kadyrov, and his baht, who called on as many Russians as possible to put Putin in honor of him, erected a monument in Moscow and named the street, we ourselves do not respect ourselves, and here we are Russians. Put all the unchristians in their place. In Russia, everything is Russian and in Russian. Let others live nationally and prosper, but for mocking the Russians to account.
                4. Volozhanin
                  Volozhanin 12 July 2013 11: 15 New
                  +1
                  They say that before there was a video on YouTube where the younger Kadyrov cuts off the head of the prisoner during the First Chechnya. Then, of course, this was removed when he got up.
              3. Ivan.
                Ivan. 11 July 2013 15: 57 New
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                Quote: Lazer
                How is like treated like? I think it's wrong. You cannot stoop to the level of a "savage". It is necessary to systematically identify, judge, plant. Who harbors and admits the crime is to plant.

                A person does not have to grow fangs to go to the bear; he takes a similar-power (gun), speaks with a scumbag about conscience, morality and mercy; he uselessly understands only power. And here is a chance, a splinter to pull out a splinter. You can’t clean dirty water by pouring clean water, hitting a donkey with a stick you don’t beat him, but attract his attention and this is not applicable to a normal person. The fact that one heals another cripples.
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              5. Mairos
                Mairos 12 July 2013 11: 33 New
                0
                They will be imprisoned by them in Dagestan and Chechnya, and then released on parole. They really only respect force and we ourselves are to blame for the fact that until now we only rely on the state. It's time to also create such a "diaspora" of Lyams for 70-75 or how many of us are there. And treat them the same way they treat us. And let the state improve its laws and achieve the inevitability of punishment - I only welcome this, but this is a long process.
                1. paff
                  paff 20 September 2013 15: 34 New
                  0
                  Many tried to create a Russian diaspora. The authorities rated their efforts in Articles 280 and 282.
            3. Sotnik77s
              Sotnik77s 11 July 2013 14: 47 New
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              This is exactly what General Ermolov did in his time, they went into their village, if sodate disappeared, he took 40 of their elders hostage and said: Return the soldier or those who killed him, if they killed him, if there will be neither one nor the other, your hostages we’ll also execute, and there have been many cases that they were also executed, but this is only because they understand only the language they speak, and yet even now they remember and respect General Ermolov.
              1. Revolver
                Revolver 11 July 2013 18: 49 New
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                Quote: Sotnik77s
                did in due time General Ermolov

                Ermolov acted effectively, I do not argue. So what, did Ermolov bring order to the Caucasus? After him, Paskevich fought there for years, and who else was there.
                And Comrade Stalin in 1944, without even withdrawing troops from the front, the NKVD forces brought order to the Caucasus within a matter of weeks.
                So what is the best way to act, effectively or efficiently?
                1. zennon
                  zennon 11 July 2013 19: 55 New
                  +8
                  Ermolov acted effectively, I do not argue. So what, did Ermolov bring order to the Caucasus?

                  Often I spoke out against you, but in this case I completely agree. + You. All this is completely pointless. We constantly put the lives of Russian people, we are pumping a lot of money there, and all this is x..ya! Again and again, bringing on disadvantages and not I am trying to prove to disingenuous criticism: being a part of Russia is an honor. Caucasians are not worthy of this. For centuries they have essentially lived only by raids, slave trade, theft of livestock and property. And who is hoping that they will change? In vain attempts. In the 19th century. the authorities understood this perfectly well, answered adequately. What to do? Withdraw the Kavakaz from Russia. A full-fledged border, "thorn", KSP. All Caucasians on a national basis to their historical homeland.PERFECTLYI know that they will answer me and what they will accuse me of. I can clearly see the inevitable negative political losses. But I am sure we will never be able to solve the problem otherwise, otherwise we will always put the lives of our people, pay a huge tribute there, endure their crime, arrogance and rudeness on their own land. The problem needs to be solved, not imitated by its solution. They often try to accuse me of not respecting. Nothing like that! I personally communicated with them normally, but I really don’t see what else can be done.
                  1. Su24
                    Su24 12 July 2013 01: 14 New
                    0
                    Quote: zennon
                    descent into Russia is an honor. Caucasians are not worth it


                    Well, now, as soon as the message goes through, and here it starts like this - "evict", "separate". Instead of just bringing up men normally.
                    1. paff
                      paff 20 September 2013 15: 22 New
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                      This rebuke applies to any civilized people.
                      Put the Swedes or the French in our army to the evil dags - they will be eaten there.
                    2. paff
                      paff 20 September 2013 15: 30 New
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                      There is a way out: we, too, become savages and also raise animals.
                      And there is another way: do not put people in the same cage with animals.
                2. rus9875
                  rus9875 11 July 2013 23: 27 New
                  +1
                  It was easier for Stalin to do this because only women, children and old people remained in the villages. All adult men were at the front. Not interested in Chechens, I can say for Karachais - out of 80 people, 41 went to the front in 15600 - almost all men are capable of wearing weapons 9000 of them died In 43, 70 thousand women, children and the elderly were deported to Central Asia and Kazakhstan. 40% of deported 22 thousand were deported from starvation, cold and disease. Children of those men who were also sent to the front to Central Asia In during the war, 2 karvcha residents received the title of hero of the union, 9 more received the hero of Russia after rehabilitation. In relation to the number of war heroes in terms of population, this is the highest indicator among all the nationalities of the USSR. By the way, in the archives there were found 27 submissions to the title of hero for Karachais who were not set off during the war (I give figures for those who will now begin to repeat stories about betrayal) 211 cases were opened on the facts of desertion, 27 deserters were convicted of banditry. All these numbers are on the Internet. it’s easy to check if you wish Well, how easy it would be to deport Caucasians if all the men were at home, you can imagine on the example of the first Chechen war Well, the fact that one dag and one drilled are building the entire unit - here you need to complain not to them but to that crowd that allows itself to build two scumbags? Maybe it's time to start raising men and not sissies? So that they can stand up for themselves and then everyone will begin to respect them - both Dagi and Chechens and Buryats?
              2. Tersky
                Tersky 11 July 2013 20: 37 New
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                Quote: Sotnik77s
                This is exactly what General Ermolov did in his time, they went into their village, if sodate disappeared, he took their elders hostage 40

                Too many elders for one aul laughing During the appointment of General Ermolov as viceroy of the Caucasus, a case occurred that shook the Chechens' confidence in the benefits of hostage trade. On the way from Khaziyurt to Kizlyar, Major Shvetsov was kidnapped. The Chechens, not understanding the officer distinctions, mistook the major for a person of special national importance. And to celebrate, they demanded a ransom from his family - ten arbs of silver coin. The Russian government simply did not know how to respond to such exorbitant prices! And there was no place to take this amount from. Then Shvetsov’s colleagues announced a collection of donations throughout the country to redeem him from captivity.
                While the Russians were raising money, Yermolov appeared in the North Caucasus. And the first thing he did was forbidden to pay the ransom for Shvetsov.
                Instead of paying, he ordered that all Kumyk princes and owners, through whose lands the Russian officer was transported, be placed in the fortress and announced that if they could not find a way to free him, he would hang everyone.
                The arrested princes immediately agreed to reduce the ransom to 10 thousand rubles.
                But Yermolov again refused to pay.
                Then, very opportunely, the Avar Khan arose (at the secret request of the general) and bought the captive.
                The general caught the peculiarities of the national mentality instantly. If you pay money to the local population, then you are afraid, you pay off. That is why Ermolov urged to follow the logic of the enemy: “I want my name to guard our borders with fear stronger than chains and fortifications, so that my word would be a law for the Asians, or rather, an inevitable death. I acted with a brutal mug, my huge figure, which produced a terrible effect, and with a wide throat so that they were convinced that a person could not scream so much without just and substantiated reasons. ”And again:“ I have many, by necessity, adhered to Asian customs and I see that the proconsul of the Caucasus cannot tame the cruelty of local customs by kindness. ”This was said 2,5 centuries ago, and is still relevant today.
                1. 225chay
                  225chay 12 July 2013 00: 32 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Tersky
                  Ermolov appeared in the Caucasus. And the first thing he did was forbidden to pay the ransom.

                  Quote: Tersky
                  And instead of paying, he ordered all Kumyk princes and owners, through whose lands the Russian officer was transported, to the fortress and announced that if they could not find a way to free him, he would hang everyone.

                  Quote: Tersky
                  If you pay money to the local population, then you are afraid, you are paying off.


                  and here the rulers prefer to pay a ransom or tribute ...
                  Yes. comments are unnecessary
              3. Ruslan_F38
                Ruslan_F38 11 July 2013 21: 02 New
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                [quote = Sotnik77s] This is exactly what General Ermolov did in his time, they went to their aul, if sodate disappeared, he took 40 of their elders hostage and said: Return the soldier or those who killed him if they killed him, if not we’ll execute your hostages as well, and there have been many cases that they were also executed, but this is only because they understand only the language they speak, and yet they still remember and respect General Ermolov. [/ quote

                This is not a human being who understands only the language of power! They need to be put in place at any opportunity! A paratrooper in Pugachev was killed by a 16-year-old jerk from Chechnya. The paratrooper probably did not understand what happened. If their 16 year olds can kill a specialist, who raised him like that? How could such a thought have arisen in the head of a 16 year old jerk? It's simple, most of these moral freaks are there since childhood! Therefore, to the army they are already turning into utter idiots and behaving in a similar way everywhere, not only in the army, everywhere and all because we allow it, and the power looks through our fingers.
                1. Hleb
                  Hleb 11 July 2013 21: 13 New
                  +4
                  just don’t make specialists out of all the paratroopers. there’s enough of it too. a specialist of such an outcome would not allow
                  1. Ruslan_F38
                    Ruslan_F38 11 July 2013 21: 37 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Gleb
                    just don’t make specialists out of all the paratroopers. there’s enough of it too. a specialist of such an outcome would not allow


                    Well, his training is in any case better than that of an ordinary soldier, I think the guy did not expect such actions from a 16-year-old. Yes, this is not the point, because at the age of 16 he is ready to kill, not with a knife, not with a gun, stabbed with a scalpel!
                    1. sasha.28blaga
                      sasha.28blaga 12 July 2013 07: 18 New
                      +1
                      There was a time when a scalpel was not considered a cold weapon. As a child, we wore many scalpels. Therefore, they could throw, cut, stab them.
                  2. Yarbay
                    Yarbay 12 July 2013 00: 00 New
                    +4
                    Quote: Gleb
                    just don’t make specialists out of all the paratroopers. there’s enough of it too. a specialist of such an outcome would not allow

                    I completely agree))))
                    and in a drunk state, more than half become layoffs !!
                    I remember an English commando drunk in the trash, almost the boy died off, and even pissed on him later !!
                    1. Hleb
                      Hleb 12 July 2013 01: 00 New
                      +3
                      Great Alibek! I still feel a little bit more about the fact that it is not so easy to put Caucasians in their place. There are legends about them (you), "sagas about Caucasians". And they ask a little like a Caucasian to give back. And why not ask- but it is weak to give change at all? Caucasians that chtoli from another planet? superpeople? Well, if you are a man, then you will answer anyone. and if a rag then you will turn on the back in any case. that's the whole conclusion. why is there yourself or someone to justify. it's dumb to admit
                      and then there will be more ...
                      1. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 12 July 2013 01: 33 New
                        +3
                        Quote: Gleb
                        Great Alibek! I still feel a little bit more about the fact that it is not so easy to put Caucasians in their place. There are legends about them (you), "sagas about Caucasians". And they ask a little like a Caucasian to give back. And why not ask- but it's too weak to give change at all

                        Hi Gleb!
                        Of course this is crap and bullshit !!
                        As among all peoples, there are courageous, there are vile, there are worthy, there are sadists and there are cowards !!
                        It’s just that he’s not even courageous next to his countryman who swallows his cowardice, because tomorrow he will be disgraced at home !!
                        such are usually sadists!
                        I will tell you the case of which I was a witness during the service !!
                        At that time, trade flourished on the border with Dagestan and something happened, I don’t remember the details now, rallies began on the part of Dagestan, and then a large group of young people attacked the border guards, then I recognized almost all of them as sportsmen, sportsmen !! They were healthier and more frontier guards and broke through to the checkpoint !! Then the commander of the PV, whose man I respect and really a real commander, ordered the special forces of the border guards to restore order !! Well, there the detachment quickly put order in order by special means and detained some hooligans !!
                        So the detainees in the place of temporary detention were already completely different people!
                        Meek and well-mannered !!
                        They even quickly threw themselves on a knocked out tooth to one border guard !!
                      2. sasha.28blaga
                        sasha.28blaga 12 July 2013 07: 24 New
                        +4
                        At hand-to-hand competitions among the servicemen of the Far Eastern Federal District, the Dagestan reached the final, he was supported by about forty people on the podium, and the Russian, who came with the platoon commander (lieutenant) and ten other sergeants with him. After the Dagestani lost in the ring, from the stands the fellow countrymen rushed to the winner, the lieutenant managed to help him, and then everyone else. I will not paint, but all the attackers were closed in the toilet.
                    2. Yarbay
                      Yarbay 12 July 2013 01: 36 New
                      +3
                      Quote: Gleb
                      Well, if you are a man, then you will answer anyone. And if you rag, then in any situation you turn on the back. Here and the whole conclusion. What is there for yourself or someone to justify. Recognize dumbly

                      You're right!
                      You see, it’s not a matter of physical strength !!
                      Often you simply understand inside that if you swallow it is an insult or an insult, then you will cease to respect yourself !!!
                      So let it be better to break the ribs and nose, but you will know that you are not a slave, but a man!
                      I had cases when everything was compressed inside, but you understand that you are a son, a brother of people who will not understand you if you admit slack and can not look into their eyes !!
                    3. Hleb
                      Hleb 12 July 2013 01: 48 New
                      +1
                      I had one moment in my life that I regretted for a long time. The truth was that everything was logically done right and staying crippled at 17 was not worth it. But it was stifling so much. Until almost 15 years later I found it. and then he took his soul)
                      By the way, the Buryats and Tuvans liked me with their perseverance. The characters fell well, not penetrable ...
                    4. Yarbay
                      Yarbay 12 July 2013 01: 52 New
                      +3
                      Quote: Gleb
                      I had one moment in my life that I regretted for a long time. The truth was that everything was logically done right and staying crippled at 17 was not worth it. But it was stifling so much. Until almost 15 years later I found it. and then he took his soul)

                      Everyone can be mistaken, but depending on how he endures it!
                      You know, I understood one thing in life, if a person at least once betrayed, committed meanness or scored in good conscience, and then went quietly, fell asleep next to his wife, then EVERYTHING !! So he found an excuse for his act and that means he could continue to do all the meanness !!
                    5. Marek Rozny
                      Marek Rozny 14 July 2013 00: 06 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Gleb
                      By the way, the Buryats and Tuvans liked me with their perseverance. The characters fell well, not penetrable ...

                      Unlike the mountaineers, the steppes do not include rear speed. Generally. Therefore, in Russia, in the case of a clash between Kazakhs / Kalmyks and Vainakhs, the case ends the same way - the murder of an abrek and the subsequent arrest by law enforcement agencies of the steppe. It should be noted that the steppe inhabitants are rarely the first to get into a fight. but if you touch the steppe, then stop the hell later.
                      And the fact that the Buryats here arranged such a disgust with drawing on their backs is absolutely uncharacteristic for the steppes. Shameful boob, of course. Buryats usually do not suffer from such nonsense.
                      I didn’t communicate with Tuvans, but I don’t think that they are somehow different from the rest of the Turks and Mongols.
                  3. stroporez
                    stroporez 13 July 2013 17: 23 New
                    0
                    Quote: Yarbay
                    it's not about physical strength !!
                    ---------- 100% !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the rod should be ........
            4. Dimych
              Dimych 12 July 2013 11: 50 New
              0
              Well, show me a specialist who could be prepared for a year of urgent service.
              1. Hleb
                Hleb 12 July 2013 11: 53 New
                0
                but I will not show)
        2. Xnumx kopeek
          Xnumx kopeek 12 July 2013 05: 36 New
          0
          Quote: Sotnik77s
          This is exactly what General Ermolov did in his time, they went into their village, if sodate disappeared, he took 40 of their elders hostage and said: Return the soldier or those who killed him, if they killed him, if there will be neither one nor the other, your hostages we’ll also execute, and there have been many cases that they were also executed, but this is only because they understand only the language they speak, and yet even now they remember and respect General Ermolov.

          "we went to the aul" - well, they did.
      4. Yarbay
        Yarbay 11 July 2013 17: 54 New
        -6
        Quote: Himalayan
        Give deadlines to ALL co-participants from a flock of relatives: for aiding, harboring.

        So with the relatives of Nikita, let’s do this, exactly fits your description !!
        The article talks about how three residents of Shchelkovo and Balashikha came to visit an unemployed Muscovite. The young men drank alcohol and decided to compete in cruelty. They attacked an unemployed man with knives and dismembered him into pieces..
        A Muscovite named Nikita cut off the man’s head, nose and scalp. After that, the young men played the head of a murdered football player. Then they simply kicked the skull with his feet until he got into the trash can. Now investigators cannot find him - a garbage truck took him somewhere.

        What is most interesting, they do not write about it anywhere else!
        Neither Moskva24, nor NTV, nor anyone else. But the day before yesterday, all these media outlets quickly wrote, incl. Komsomol member, as "a Caucasian shot a biker in the head." The question is, why write the word Caucasian? Does anyone write about the murderers that a Slav or a Russian killed someone?
        http://ststalin.livejournal.com/198546.html
        1. Revolver
          Revolver 11 July 2013 20: 08 New
          +3
          Quote: Yarbay
          The question is, why write the word Caucasian?

          In America, from political correctness, when they describe a criminal on the radio, skin color or something else that speaks about race - no, no. But often it’s clear from the name if there is any thread Leroy or Kishon, then it’s clearly a Negro - oh, sorry, African American. And on TV, if a photo or a recording of surveillance cameras is shown, although they are politically correct, they can’t hide this awl in a bag.
          In America, there are many things that Russia would not be bad to adopt - well, at least the cops do not extort bribes. But if your country is dear to you, in no case do not adopt political correctness.
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 12 July 2013 00: 39 New
            +1
            Quote: Nagan
            In America, out of political correctness

            This is not for me))))))))
            this is the author)))))
          2. Xnumx kopeek
            Xnumx kopeek 12 July 2013 05: 40 New
            0
            copy wassat
            it would be better to take bribes than to bang the suspect on the spot, and then say / and even then not always / - "Oh Im so sorry ..."
          3. sasha.28blaga
            sasha.28blaga 12 July 2013 07: 36 New
            0
            And in Poland, 3000 Chechens were burned at home, but in this case I am for the Chechens. And Poles on the count.
      5. alexdol
        alexdol 11 July 2013 19: 44 New
        0
        Himalayan "Criminal on the run? - what to do ... - cut brother, matchmaker"
        -------------------------------------------------- -----
        Indeed, how outrageous it all is! It's time to remember our Russian general Ermolov! HE "pacified" the Caucasus with approximately the same methods!
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  3. Andrey Skokovsky
    Andrey Skokovsky 11 July 2013 12: 59 New
    -12
    Quote: evgenii67
    Yes, cut off their eggs and before the eyes of the "grandfathers" and others who are engaged in such nonsense to loom their own bells and say: "The guys behave themselves well, they are not made of iron."


    saying this, you yourself are not very different from these two underdeveloped

    the problem is not in them, but in the fact that in this part the officers do not drag service
    in any unit in the absence of hard control from the commander there will be some nonsense, and it does not matter what nationality the soldiers will be or what their mentality

    a good article, it is immediately clear that the main part of the forum does not even know theoretically about the army ....
    1. nemec55
      nemec55 11 July 2013 13: 04 New
      16
      saying this, you yourself are not very different from these two underdeveloped

      Here begins what not be ******* whining Liberals. And when your son (if he’s not a son yet) hops once on the head, immediately liberalism will fly out
    2. Joker
      Joker 11 July 2013 13: 37 New
      56
      the problem is not in them, but in the fact that in this part the officers do not drag service

      Eeee, there is no respected, the problem is in those Russian drischas that serve, they are ashamed to call them Russian, Russian will die but will not rise to anyone’s knees, and these suckers, smeared with foam, got exactly what they deserved. It was necessary in the civilian world not to hammer at the computer and not to plump at the doorways, but to engage in sports, not for the sake of medals, but for my physical development. The officers, but the officers are the same ssykuny and not men, of the same as the smeared consist. If they didn’t behave like creatures, when everyone is on his own, then all these Buryats, Chechens and others would scream at the Russian were afraid, but we’re wrong, we’ll bore the Russian, and put the rest in our pants, that nothing happens, that's why we sit on our necks. I believe that in vain they punished non-Russians, if only they would continue to spread rot, you see that some ssykun would become a peasant. In the USSR, this was not, because if all were not even for each other, then the guys were definitely stronger and many of the villages came, and then you touch and grab one, it is now coming from the town of hlyupiki. Ugh, disgrace, et not Russian, but the real Russians, the sons of Mummy, it was necessary to draw on the belly, so that their faces could see, shame. You can not cope, so even as a peasant, take yourself, grab, so at least self-esteem will be that, although weaker, you did not give up. For comparison, conscripts in the USSR, there are many of these now? How do you think it would be possible for a Buryat to draw them? He dag this sitting on the photo, perehibesh snot.
      1. Apologet.Ru
        Apologet.Ru 11 July 2013 13: 49 New
        15
        hi

        That's right, colleague, you need fundamentally change the system of awareness Russian national identity state level, and not only in this communication format ...
        1. Avenger711
          Avenger711 11 July 2013 18: 25 New
          +5
          Russian national identity does not suggest being grouped according to the principle of fraternity, otherwise no Empire would have been built.
          1. Apologet.Ru
            Apologet.Ru 11 July 2013 20: 11 New
            +3
            hi
            Russian national identity does not mean to be grouped according to the principle of fraternity,


            I agree! Russian national identity is determined by -

            1. Apologet.Ru
              Apologet.Ru 11 July 2013 21: 55 New
              +3
              Any society can successfully function and develop only when there is a certain system of values ​​(political, economic, cultural, etc.) shared by the majority of its members.
              In modern Russia, despite the fact that more than two decades have already passed since the collapse of the Union and the socialist system (the scientific name is left radical radicalism), a new value system, the ideology of the country's development, and the role of Russians in the realities of building the New Empire have not yet been formed Russian civilization.
              Until now (!) There is no state system for educating Russians (large, small, and white), as a system for the formation of Russian national self-consciousness, without any equivocation, as a “backbone” of the country, those “bones” that are “fouling” with fraternal peoples and nationalities is Russia.
              And, despite the discussion from time to time on this issue, the proposed options for a new ideology do not change the situation - the role of Russians, as the main ethnic group of the country, is bashfully hushed up.
              Therefore, it is vitally important to analyze, but not at the kitchen-backstage, but at the highest, state level with the involvement of the scientific potential of the appropriate profile, the existing legacy of Russian-Soviet-imperial and world political, socio-philosophical, sociological thought, try to identify what can work ”in Russia in the face of the challenges that the country is currently facing.
      2. little man
        little man 11 July 2013 14: 04 New
        +8
        "these are not Russians, but real Russians"
        steal this phrase for myself
        1. Apologet.Ru
          Apologet.Ru 11 July 2013 17: 30 New
          +5
          hi

          "these are not Russians, but real Russians"
          steal this phrase for myself


          I give ...
      3. Alekseir162
        Alekseir162 11 July 2013 14: 05 New
        +2
        I totally agree.
      4. bulvas
        bulvas 11 July 2013 14: 06 New
        +6
        we also had them in their place (afraid of the right one)
      5. grafrozow
        grafrozow 11 July 2013 14: 26 New
        14
        Impunity is ruining !!! NOT a settlement colony but a disbath, Then they will start thinking.
      6. Hleb
        Hleb 11 July 2013 14: 28 New
        11
        Oleg agrees. Earlier people were more smart.
        I’d also like to say, I used to meet in the service with some guys who (due to circumstances) now serve in this brigade. I personally know those who organized the pee .... well, to Caucasians in 2009, they still serve there and there is complete order in their company. these are fighters, what else do you need to look for. they all rely on them. well, it's about intelligence, but in the rest of the units, it's a mess ...
        and to those who call for the dismissal of sergeants, I want to say, don’t drive. They come directly to the company, they say: -Let's do it? The company’s answer -Yes, what? there, any initiative to restore order by force is cut to the vine. and nothing can be done legally. Caucasian moms (kindred committee) are constantly in touch with the command.
        only some sergeants and foremen put animals in their place at their own risk and peril (the platooners there will hell understand who and why. well, and I repeat. they have the choice to either serve like that, or for a citizen
        and the foam on the backs is trifles. they draw themselves down
        1. Joker
          Joker 11 July 2013 15: 19 New
          10
          now they serve in this brigade. I know personally those who organized the magnus .... well, Caucasians in 2009-m. they still serve there and in their company there is complete order.

          This is what the speech is, give them time to shit .. they will walk quietly, this is not the problem of the army, this is the problem of our people. Until the thunder clap, the peasant does not cross himself, this saying is true now more than ever, how they will start choking us, then this will begin as in Pugachevsk, only waiting for our children will not be cut, unfortunately we are not a united people.
          1. Hleb
            Hleb 11 July 2013 15: 30 New
            +3
            That’s what we’ll say, give them time to prosra..sya they will walk quietly
            so they gave ...
            Well, Oleg will also add a photo directly from the scene. Scout of intelligence (those guys who wrote reports for their honor in 2009. because they did not allow themselves to be omitted)
            1. Joker
              Joker 11 July 2013 15: 56 New
              +4
              those guys who wrote reports for their honor in 2009. because they were not allowed to omit

              Nothing, the power always works on window dressing, a million times more important is how the simple people treat you and how you yourself treat yourself, and not the rats, who have neither conscience nor honor. Well done guys, honor and praise to them, real Russian warriors, the pride of our country, that's who should be equal. And these bald let the report itself in one place shoved. Again, it is indicative that if the Drischis didn’t kick in their pants, and everyone would support the guys, then who the hell would make them write a report, we always have it, every shit of the media like the wind blows, and events like this are silent. Well done guys, God bless them! hi
        2. piterkras
          piterkras 11 July 2013 17: 23 New
          +1
          Are you talking about Aleisk?
          1. Hleb
            Hleb 11 July 2013 17: 31 New
            0
            well yes Aleisk
            1. piterkras
              piterkras 12 July 2013 09: 17 New
              0
              Well, I can tell you that there is a lie to a lie.
              1. Hleb
                Hleb 12 July 2013 11: 52 New
                0
                I look below in the comments you are not very trusted) but I read with interest.
      7. Ivan.
        Ivan. 11 July 2013 15: 15 New
        13
        People are all different, someone will not be able to hit the defenseless even if there is something for it, and someone will easily hit the weaker one to assert themselves, if you start to "spread rot" from the age of five it will be even worse (personality is formed physically (body) and psychologically by about 21) ... The Turks took children away from the Slavs and made bashi-bazouks out of them. In the Russian army, the draft age was 20 years old (http://www.protown.ru/information/hide/6625.html) and foreigners were not taken into it. The strength of two guys, one devoted himself to the example of mathematics and the other brought up with respect for physical strength, is different. The era of the Nederthals is over. It seems that we all condemn the Ministry of Education, the media, the destruction of the family (juveniles, etc.), but meanwhile the majority themselves slip computers to their children instead of paying attention, and then we wonder why the recruits are like drishchi. Everyone should pay the debt to the state, but not necessarily equally. Very briefly, but I hope it's clear.
        Quote: Joker
        I believe that the non-Russians were punished in vain, even if they were spread rot further, you look at some sort of a ssykun who would become a man

        This is how impunity is generated, and a puss may be a man and would become but a real person is unlikely. As children copy their parents, so this "man" copies his "creators".
        1. Joker
          Joker 11 July 2013 16: 07 New
          +6
          This is how impunity is generated, and a puss may be a man and would become but a real person is unlikely. As children copy their parents, so this "man" copies his "creators".

          Perhaps you are right here, but it’s stupid to expect protection from the authorities now, I think you understand this, so you need to learn to fight back yourself.
          but in the meantime, most of them themselves send computers to their children instead of paying attention, and then we wonder why conscripts are like drums. Debt to the state must pay each but not necessarily the same. Strongly brief but hopefully clear.

          Here you are right on everything 100, we often blame the government, they say the children are stupid, my friend's son graduated from the golden school, he also deals with sports, and all because the folder above his son spent all his childhood, went with him everywhere, I learned the lessons, I quit smoking myself and started to go to the gym with my son to support him, I understand that my dad, our children are entirely our merit, and the surrounding world also affects the worldview, but parents’s duty to support the child, explain what and how to show. and then many, yes, that many, most fathers come home from work with a can of beer, turn on the TV and sit like vegetables, the child will look at this and will subconsciously copy his behavior in the future. Vaughn Sergei recently wrote an article about admission, he has a clever daughter, an athlete (the current is not Komsomol wink ) here is dad, raised a daughter, is something to be proud of. We abandon our children in essence, and then we shout what a bad government we have, as if it is raising them (if it were brought up then there would be only thieves around). So here I fully and fully support you.
      8. танк
        танк 11 July 2013 15: 49 New
        +2
        You can’t say better!
      9. Army1
        Army1 11 July 2013 15: 53 New
        0
        Quote: Joker
        the problem is not in them, but in the fact that in this part the officers do not drag service

        Eeee, there is no respected, the problem is in those Russian drischas that serve, they are ashamed to call them Russian, Russian will die but will not rise to anyone’s knees, and these suckers, smeared with foam, got exactly what they deserved. It was necessary in the civilian world not to hammer at the computer and not to plump at the doorways, but to engage in sports, not for the sake of medals, but for my physical development. The officers, but the officers are the same ssykuny and not men, of the same as the smeared consist. If they didn’t behave like creatures, when everyone is on his own, then all these Buryats, Chechens and others would scream at the Russian were afraid, but we’re wrong, we’ll bore the Russian, and put the rest in our pants, that nothing happens, that's why we sit on our necks. I believe that in vain they punished non-Russians, if only they would continue to spread rot, you see that some ssykun would become a peasant. In the USSR, this was not, because if all were not even for each other, then the guys were definitely stronger and many of the villages came, and then you touch and grab one, it is now coming from the town of hlyupiki. Ugh, disgrace, et not Russian, but the real Russians, the sons of Mummy, it was necessary to draw on the belly, so that their faces could see, shame. You can not cope, so even as a peasant, take yourself, grab, so at least self-esteem will be that, although weaker, you did not give up. For comparison, conscripts in the USSR, there are many of these now? How do you think it would be possible for a Buryat to draw them? He dag this sitting on the photo, perehibesh snot.

        My thoughts expressed ++++++++++ In the photo intelligence?
        1. Joker
          Joker 11 July 2013 23: 27 New
          0
          My thoughts expressed ++++++++++ In the photo intelligence?

          To be honest, I don’t know)) I inserted the first picture that came out for the request "conscripts in the USSR".
      10. ale-x
        ale-x 11 July 2013 15: 58 New
        +3
        Everything is so, in relation to the recruits and officers themselves ..... You are right for 1000000 percent ... But in the photo, most likely, "old men" are some kind of sports company or 3-4 course "bursa".
      11. kush62
        kush62 11 July 2013 16: 00 New
        11
        joker: Ugh, disgrace, not Russian, but real Russians,

        Fascism smacks of such jokers, site generals and others.
        Well, I am not Russian, and many millions of Russians are not Russians. What now will all of us be strangled. And why should I be Russian? I feel good being who I am. Not tired of fascism? Pushkin is not Russian (African ancestor), Lermontov is not Russian.
        The main thing is I am a decent person !!! And in my family I have many Ukrainians, Tatars, Russians, Kazakhs, etc.
        And friends are no less than different nationalities. It's time to call a bastard a bastard, a thief-thief. Everyone deserves it, and this does not depend on nationality. Can you tell me, who by nationality is the traitor of the Motherland, General Vlasov, the traitor of the Motherland is the former KGB general Kalugin? And who’s beloved Mr. Taburetkin? And the list is long. And there is enough shit of any nationality. Recently, a guy from Dagestan, unable to swim, saved a drowning child in the Moscow region, he died. He, too, in your opinion is low-grade, because he is not Russian? I look at many megalomania. Because of such provocateurs, it turns out to be torn in the country.
        1. Ivan.
          Ivan. 11 July 2013 18: 14 New
          +3
          Quote: kush62
          joker: Ugh, disgrace, not Russian, but real Russians,

          Fascism smacks of such jokers, site generals and others.
          Well, I am not Russian, and many millions of Russians are not Russians. What now will all of us be strangled. And why should I be Russian? I feel good being who I am. Not tired of fascism? Pushkin is not Russian (African ancestor), Lermontov is not Russian.
          The main thing is I am a decent person !!! And in my family I have many Ukrainians, Tatars, Russians, Kazakhs, etc.
          And friends are no less than different nationalities. It's time to call a bastard a bastard, a thief-thief. Everyone deserves it, and this does not depend on nationality. Can you tell me, who by nationality is the traitor of the Motherland, General Vlasov, the traitor of the Motherland is the former KGB general Kalugin? And who’s beloved Mr. Taburetkin? And the list is long. And there is enough shit of any nationality. Recently, a guy from Dagestan, unable to swim, saved a drowning child in the Moscow region, he died. He, too, in your opinion is low-grade, because he is not Russian? I look at many megalomania. Because of such provocateurs, it turns out to be torn in the country.

          You do not get excited, but first think what is written and what the person wanted to say. Russian has long been more than a nationality, there are no Russians abroad, there are only Russians or other nationalities. The Russian is a faceless fiction. And not only Stalin but also Lermontov and Pushkin considered themselves Russian, and this didn’t interfere with remembering their roots and their nationality.
          About the Kalugins, I hope this is not to defame Russianness?
          By the way, in your years it’s a shame not to be Russian, maybe you are a Russian?
        2. AntonR7
          AntonR7 11 July 2013 18: 21 New
          +4
          This is not fascism. The concept of national pride is not alien to any people and Russians have something to be proud of, and Pushkin and Lermontov are Russians, it does not matter how much blood there is of other peoples in a person, the main thing is who he considers himself and in what language he thinks, and there is no purebred people in the world at all, the main thing mentality.
        3. Joker
          Joker 11 July 2013 23: 36 New
          +4
          Because of such provocateurs, it turns out that the country is torn apart.

          Um, where did you see me calling for the Russians to unite and beat all non-Russians? I just said that the people became shallow and everyone was on his own. I said about the Russians only because there is no sense of national pride, if there were Russians before, now Russians, I mean, nationality is blurred and in fact absorbed after the collapse of the USSR, including thanks to people like you, who shout that Dagestanians, Chechens ... and it is worthwhile for a Russian to call himself Russian, then immediately a screech about nationalism rises. Remember ka respected, at least once we have oppressed a people of a different nationality in our country? I don’t remember something, but you are always fighting against nationalism like you’re persecuting Russians, we are to blame for all the sins of mortals. (Approx. To other nationalities, and not to you personally) In every nationality there are good people and bad ones. And Russian is a state of mind, and not an inscription in a passport, I think so, it is not enough to be born of a Russian mom and dad, you have to be a Russian soul.
        4. sasha.28blaga
          sasha.28blaga 12 July 2013 08: 13 New
          +1
          kush62
          It's time to call a bastard a bastard, a thief-thief. Everyone deserves it, and this does not depend on nationality. Can you tell me, who by nationality is the traitor of the Motherland, General Vlasov, the traitor of the Motherland is the former KGB general Kalugin? And who’s beloved Mr. Taburetkin? And the list is long. And there is enough shit of any nationality.
          True, I didn’t have the mind to say so, but I thought about it. And yet no one should be given a descent.
      12. Yarbay
        Yarbay 11 July 2013 18: 00 New
        +2
        Quote: Joker
        It was necessary on a civilian not to hammer into the computer and not to thump along the alleyways, but to engage in sports, not for the sake of medals, so for his physical development

        Ali (ERAZ) correctly wrote here that the main thing is the animal fear of being beaten, that they will put him on hold !!
        second indifference and the fact that in such situations, alas, the Russians do not feel FAMILY !!
        My opinion is because family values ​​are lost if someone hears everyday from their neighbors, comrades of a word like your ep .... and he says this to others, he loses his self-esteem and becomes completely indifferent !!
      13. Avenger711
        Avenger711 11 July 2013 18: 24 New
        +1
        And indeed, where can you find such people when they are raking everyone in, and try to arrange a massacre for the Dagas, they themselves will be imprisoned.
      14. Scoun
        Scoun 11 July 2013 18: 28 New
        +5
        Quote: Joker
        Eeee no respected, the problem is in those Russian drinks that serve

        I just don’t understand one thing ... a little background
        after a year of service .. I ended up in the hospital ... and after some time re-reading everything I found the newspaper in general there is my photo ... bald still ... seeing the photo I could not believe that I was like that ... 60 kg and growth 182 because at the time of reading the newspaper I weighed 80-82 without a drop of fat ...
        In the photo, already in the hairstyle, finishing the service, and those that stand with their backs .. these are new arrivals who have not yet learned to give the honor ... it just would not occur to a Russian to write Russia on the backs of colleagues .. but those who isolate themselves .. from Russia only it might come to mind to write like this .. kyshlak oglu and other garbage .. which the same rams from the same kyshlak donkey can "check out" .. I think in this case there are colleagues (of one call) of the Dag ... who if they saw how they are isolating their village .. should have said that he was wrong ... against he could not go. and there would be fewer such inscriptions
        PS.
        I have never seen a photo that would already be trimmed on the backs of the same trimmed wrote ... only on the bald backs
        in general, in civilian life, I did not consider myself a pimple ... and when I arrived at the unit I did not consider .. but the demobilization and old-timers for me were 18 years old .. seemed like adult men.
      15. enot555
        enot555 11 July 2013 19: 19 New
        +5
        fully support !!!!!
        there’s a little more about the parents of those who were mocked. so why did they not bring up a little masculine in raising their SON, MEN, DEFENDERS? or now they have forgotten about the elementary self-esteem?
        A man needs to be brought up as a man since childhood, so that he can easily do away with the Buryat and Chechen women and other things that will try to insult or humiliate him. a few words about blood feud: in Russia it was also, it would be nice to return to it, of course, taking into account modern realities.
        Regarding national identity: first of all, everyone should start with himself! Instead of beer and vodka "for appetite" in the evenings, jogging, horizontal bar, parallel bars in the morning, or rocking chair, work with a pear. at least 2 times a week. so that your children take an example from you, starting from this you will not have to read such articles anymore.
      16. Andrey Skokovsky
        Andrey Skokovsky 11 July 2013 19: 53 New
        +4
        Quote: Joker
        the problem is not in them, but in the fact that in this part the officers do not drag service

        Eeee, there is no respected, the problem is in those Russian drischas that serve, they are ashamed to call them Russian, Russian will die but will not rise to anyone’s knees, and these suckers, smeared with foam, got exactly what they deserved. It was necessary in the civilian world not to hammer at the computer and not to plump at the doorways, but to engage in sports, not for the sake of medals, but for my physical development. The officers, but the officers are the same ssykuny and not men, of the same as the smeared consist. If they didn’t behave like creatures, when everyone is on his own, then all these Buryats, Chechens and others would scream at the Russian were afraid, but we’re wrong, we’ll bore the Russian, and put the rest in our pants, that nothing happens, that's why we sit on our necks. I believe that in vain they punished non-Russians, if only they would continue to spread rot, you see that some ssykun would become a peasant. In the USSR, this was not, because if all were not even for each other, then the guys were definitely stronger and many of the villages came, and then you touch and grab one, it is now coming from the town of hlyupiki. Ugh, disgrace, et not Russian, but the real Russians, the sons of Mummy, it was necessary to draw on the belly, so that their faces could see, shame. You can not cope, so even as a peasant, take yourself, grab, so at least self-esteem will be that, although weaker, you did not give up. For comparison, conscripts in the USSR, there are many of these now? How do you think it would be possible for a Buryat to draw them? He dag this sitting on the photo, perehibesh snot.

        respected and you understand that this is the same logic which is guided by these degestants and by the way not only them, "you are drish and you get what you deserve!"
        you forget that now it’s not the USSR at all, and these dead Russian boys were born where they were born and grew up where they grew up, and you are going to just drop them right away for this, comparing them with a degaestan brought up in a completely different way.
        these are OUR RUSSIAN boys and in this situation only the commander is guilty, who, instead of making men out of boys, simply gave them to kill more powerful Degestans, while he was obliged to give them a chance to become men,
        the guys from the same 9 Pskov company were not born with a gun from their mother in the maternity hospital, they were the same guys, and became the ones we know as heroes
        1. Joker
          Joker 11 July 2013 23: 48 New
          +1
          just gave them up for the slaughter of stronger tages

          In the photo, see where you saw a strong Dagestan there?
          There are always more of ours in 10, and no matter how super athletes they are, they will crush them, but for this we need to unite.
          1. Andrey Skokovsky
            Andrey Skokovsky 12 July 2013 11: 34 New
            +3
            Quote: Joker
            just gave them up for the slaughter of stronger tages

            In the photo, see where you saw a strong Dagestan there?
            There are always more of ours in 10, and no matter how super athletes they are, they will crush them, but for this we need to unite.


            You made me laugh, with such a philosophy, sooner or later, put your back under a shaving cream,
            true power has always been and will be in the soul, in the desire to tear the offending enemy without thinking about its weight or quantity

            In the photo, it’s a Deestan who is strong in spirit, strong because of the arrogance and fury inherent in Caucasians, which he received simply because of the mentality of his nationality,

            The Russian fortitude is based on a completely different basis: faith (which is rare today, while many professional military men come to it in some strange way), this is patriotism, this is the desire to be a warrior of one’s country, to be needed, etc. you can continue yourself, but this is definitely not arrogance and rage.

            and once again I repeat in this situation, the main fault on the fathers of the commanders.
      17. tupolev-95
        tupolev-95 11 July 2013 21: 16 New
        +1
        What is true is true. "The face of a famous nationality" in the photo is himself drish and they are afraid of this, this is generally a shame. democracy gives its abundant shoots.
      18. sasha.28blaga
        sasha.28blaga 12 July 2013 07: 33 New
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        I want to say in many ways you are right. In our army there were a lot of soldiers from the union republics, and there were 20 Russians in the whole company, not a single person or gang, whether Asian or Caucasian, could come up without permission. None of them could touch any Russian. I don’t understand how this can happen, if only you are 100% right.
    3. evgenii67
      evgenii67 11 July 2013 15: 09 New
      +2
      Quote: Andrey Skokovsky
      saying this, you yourself are not very different from these two underdeveloped

      Oh how! I’m different if I come, let’s say on an excursion to Grozny with friends, I won’t start dancing hopak to the viburnum-raspberry in the central square (although the idea is not bad, it’ll probably be my last dance), I won’t humiliate my friends and beat a person or group of people who are in the minority or weaker than the non-Slavic appearance, including (unless of course there is no provocation). In a village in the Smolensk region, a friend and I helped an old man of Dagestan ethnicity, who somehow turned out to be barefoot in the street in a 20 degree frost, I used to meet this old man and even talked, a very good-natured person. Unfortunately, this man found his death -frozen a few days later.
      Quote: Andrey Skokovsky
      a good article, it is immediately clear that the main part of the forum does not even know theoretically about the army ....

      well, of course, why should we know theoretically, if we were there practically (practically, it means we served so that there was no double thought about the word "practically"). You specifically say who was not, you can just as well write that there are only girls on the forum who pretend that they are boys. Justify if it doesn't bother you.
    4. piotr534
      piotr534 11 July 2013 20: 35 New
      0

      saying this, you yourself are not very different from these two underdeveloped

      the problem is not in them, but in the fact that in this part the officers do not drag service
      in any unit in the absence of hard control from the commander there will be some nonsense, and it does not matter what nationality the soldiers will be or what their mentality

      a good article, it is immediately clear that the main part of the forum does not even know theoretically about the army ....
      Yes, there is no problem just in them, although commander control is also not bypassed. These tv.a.r.i and just brought up, beat and scoff at the weak, these animals have all the education on the concepts. And then on guard, when this humiliated machine falls into the hands of them, they begin to circulate at the very first turn above their heads because they are no longer show-off. I am surprised at these dates in a couple of years of drought and conditionally I would have tumbled them from 5 to 15 zones and let them wriggle. am And forgive them for their ruined lives.
  4. baltika-18
    baltika-18 11 July 2013 13: 00 New
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    Quote: evgenii67
    Yes, cut off their eggs and before the eyes of the "grandfathers" and others who are engaged in such nonsense to loom their own bells and say: "The guys behave themselves well, they are not made of iron."

    The punishment is too soft. Consider no.
    Eggs are not eggs, but for this it was necessary to enter 15 years of strict labor, without the right to exit under parole, as a warning to others.
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    2. zennon
      zennon 11 July 2013 20: 10 New
      -1
      take 15 years of strict labor, without the right to exit under parole, as a warning to others.

      Not bad. But it’s pointless. You will make a legend out of them. Other will say "these are the eagles, how they are afraid!"
  5. My doctor
    My doctor 11 July 2013 18: 23 New
    -1
    Yes, you need to cut it right. But the question is what? If they already have no eggs. Two five have built. I am ashamed of the Russian boys.
    About 30 years ago, such mahachis were staged on interethnic grounds that only the threat of the use of weapons by the "red men" calmed. For that they respected each other.
  6. volkodav
    volkodav 12 July 2013 06: 15 New
    +1
    it doesn’t work out — staff will not give it, I know what I’m talking about, two months since I quit the contract. and there are almost no officers left, most only asterisks from point A to point B are transferred
  • My address
    My address 11 July 2013 12: 45 New
    0
    For information "especially educated" - there is such an article. And a smart, patriotic article.
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  • Apologet.Ru
    Apologet.Ru 11 July 2013 12: 26 New
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    hi

    And in the charter it is necessary to introduce an article "On personal protection of the dignity of a serviceman", incl. and by force ...

    And starting from the collection point of the military registration and enlistment office, on the way to the place of service and upon arrival, explain to the draftees that in the event of such situations they are obliged to give a rebuff and not be afraid of punishment.

    And then what are they n.ahren "defenders of the fatherland", if during the service they themselves cannot protect themselves from any scum.

    The army should enable the Russian guy to feel that he is Russian, and not some kind of wordless Ch.MO with a complex of national inferiority, which can be urged by all sorts of badass ...
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  • My address
    My address 11 July 2013 13: 03 New
    +3
    For the "specially educated". Lenin has such an article, and it is clever and patriotic. I'm on the cons ... But when they don't know, but get out of it, it's sad. It is sad for illiteracy.
  • Garrin
    Garrin 11 July 2013 13: 10 New
    +6
    Quote: Apologet.Ru
    It's high time to introduce a special subject "On the national pride of the Great Russians" ...

    This should not be studied, but absorbed with mother’s milk and paternal education. Unfortunately, everything went somewhere.
    1. Apologet.Ru
      Apologet.Ru 11 July 2013 13: 12 New
      13
      hi
      And where is it, that milk and proper fatherly upbringing?
      But all around are today's heroes and role models, snatched by the "People" media - Ksenia Sobchak, oppositionists of the current government, shitcrats of all stripes, gays and lesbians, liberals and fagots and other scum united in mockery of the memory of the fallen and Orthodoxy, the heroes of "The Last Hero" , "shopping champions", "chefs", TV presenters, pop music of all kinds and other television and consumer dregs that swept the screens of our televisions and the minds of part of our people ...

      1. Hleb
        Hleb 11 July 2013 15: 03 New
        +8
        Well, let’s bring in this role model
        (don’t laugh why we have such results today (...), but it’s really so) Kazan 2013 and you say young people are stunted))
        1. waisson
          waisson 11 July 2013 19: 56 New
          0
          they serve in the army or did not serve in sports schools but like everyone else
      2. Yarbay
        Yarbay 11 July 2013 18: 04 New
        +2
        Quote: Apologet.Ru
        But around today’s heroes and role models, in

        Yes, not yesterday and not today it started !!

        the problem is in people, in everyone !!
  • skrgar
    skrgar 11 July 2013 13: 11 New
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    Quote: Apologet.Ru
    hi
    It's high time to introduce a special subject "On the national pride of the Great Russians" ...

    And a father should teach this subject to his son from the age of 5! I don’t know .. my served in Stavropol and in Komsomolsk .. and there were dags and not a few .. and there was a "check" and my one against all the dags one "stood" - demobilized .. all the dags took a picture with him together. to be!! They paint with foam on their backs .. Beat once they try to "crush" you ..
    1. Shumka
      Shumka 11 July 2013 13: 37 New
      +6
      Speak correctly! There is no one to blame, when one went to the section with a beer graffiti porter at the entrance, he worked and pugged at social networks.
      Ps.
      That Chechen wrote on the back of Chechnya 95, it was necessary for a week to send the guys to either Pskov or Ryazan ...
  • Tatar
    Tatar 11 July 2013 13: 39 New
    +5
    and on the other hand, Russians also write in Russian with foam, but here they "only" mentioned their small homeland, maybe this is patriotism, maybe then they would not have raised a dispute if the Russian would have written the words Motherland or Russia? education?
    and about the conclusion, so they still have to be fed, all in a fine company where the same riotous and let bring up each other.
    1. Ivan.
      Ivan. 11 July 2013 15: 28 New
      +2
      Quote: Tatar
      and about the conclusion, so they still have to be fed, all in a fine company where the same riotous and let bring up each other.

      Roughly correct, you need to talk to everyone in his "language", which he understands, and instead of wisdom and responsibility, we have the law "the same" for everyone, and of course there is no demand from the law.
  • honest jew
    honest jew 11 July 2013 16: 16 New
    +4
    It’s just that you have to go in for sports and not get drunk, or you get thumped, but the Rusaks addict to the army, and then they wonder why their Caucasians are inclined ... And there is no Russian unity, each for himself! Yes, and cowards have gone now ... 2 Caucasian men are bending the company with cancer! It was crushed by the breed, not in those times when one Russian Caucasians in fear kept them and they cleaned his boots and washed his socks ...
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    2. Lakkuchu
      Lakkuchu 11 July 2013 21: 07 New
      0
      Quote: Honest Jew
      It was crushed by the breed, not in those times when one Russian Caucasians in fear kept them and they cleaned his boots and washed his socks ...

      Well you are a dreamer, Jew laughing
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  • lelikas
    lelikas 11 July 2013 16: 39 New
    +4
    On the national pride of the Great Russians
    Well, yes, pride (or pretend) is introduced with one hand, and liberalism, tolerance, theology with principles put the other cheek on the other side, NVP is removed, and its castrated stub OBZH and physical education are made optional.
    in every possible way develop individualism and all sorts of things.
    And not, not everything is so bad - we fight smoking and we have scientific companies.
    1. Ivan.
      Ivan. 11 July 2013 18: 20 New
      0
      Yes, the compost is full, we'll see what grows out of this fertilizer. But the chaff from the grains can be separated.
  • And raid
    And raid 11 July 2013 20: 19 New
    +3
    You are right friend! Now in Russia they killed a Russian, the boys indulged (nonsense), killed a cheburek-inciting ethnic hatred (15 years)
  • starshina78
    starshina78 11 July 2013 21: 01 New
    0
    The subject must be introduced in a different way: "How to omit the one who has gone wrong." When there are a lot of them, they are greyhound, and as soon as one remains, he is ready to kiss the ass. On a nearby ship (when I was serving), five dags served - four years old and one young. While there were five of them, they were borzels, but as soon as there was one, he became "below the plinth", began to knock in black, but he did not get away from the reprisal. He was brought up in the tiller department in such a way that his nationalism ended immediately, became silk, even when he became a year old. Why shouldn't the command do as in the unit where my son served. They all conscription completely, having passed the course of a young soldier, assigned to one company, in which only their conscription served, from the Moscow region. Not a single Caucasian did not meddle with them. Some tried to come at night, fifteen people, to put things in order, they were trimmed like a pork chop, barely carried away. everything, no one else even tried.
  • vjhbc
    vjhbc 11 July 2013 22: 51 New
    +1
    you just need to bring up the children normally and not push aggression in the boys, or you’re used to hiding behind your mother’s skirts and even at school, they’re just ringing your son got into a fight your son pushed your son waved his hands in front of other children and your wife immediately what ya doing but I’m even suppressing such creeps on him, while others look so peck at the lad that he then shies away from everything and wonders that one or two chicks droch-chat 50 or even pid-ara-themselves become and what remains for him if a woman is brought up and nothing to do with tribal relations is simple it is necessary to educate the men from childhood
    Quote: Apologet.Ru
    hi
    It's high time to introduce a special subject "On the national pride of the Great Russians" ...
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  • pravednik
    pravednik 12 July 2013 05: 38 New
    +2
    I, Russian, and if they had done this to me (beating me alone and writing on my back) at night I would have cut the throats of all offenders, and then others would not have been punished. And let me be given a real term (and not how to these freaks, it’s freaks). And then these monkeys reigned as sublimates, but in fact they are monkeys.
  • stroporez
    stroporez 13 July 2013 17: 12 New
    0
    you can not study what is not ....... and if you are shoto, then in the coming years, the "leaders" will "deal with this" .................
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 11 July 2013 12: 09 New
    45
    And how much would the Russians be given if they wrote something like that on the backs of these "dag"? Immediately stuck an article on kindling or what ??? Now a new call is coming, the question is how much more of this will happen. Dembelya edren loaf. For a year the crucians served and imagined themselves as demobels.
    1. piterkras
      piterkras 11 July 2013 12: 13 New
      -28
      Russians would not write. At the end they would receive from Caucasians and Buryats, and would write on themselves.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 11 July 2013 12: 25 New
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        Quote: piterkras
        Russians would not write

        In Khabarovsk, everything was stupidly drenched in the toilet, without any inscriptions.
        1. piterkras
          piterkras 11 July 2013 12: 44 New
          -22
          And why so Russians? I know that there are many "black" parts in the Far East. Especially from the Navy.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 11 July 2013 13: 00 New
            +7
            Quote: piterkras
            And why so Russians? I know that there are many "black" parts in the Far East.

            Oh well, call me.
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        2. O_RUS
          O_RUS 11 July 2013 22: 27 New
          +4
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          In Khabarovsk stupidly drenched in the toilet and everything, without any inscriptions


          ... got wet .... and not only in Khabarovsk. Such communication with Caucasians brings a good result. But this is not a panacea -

          ... I think it is necessary to start with education in childhood. The law protects this scum from the Caucasus

          Not only blah blah blah in the comments, but something to do in real life.
      2. Sinbad
        Sinbad 11 July 2013 12: 50 New
        +8
        For two years they served and built "these" as expected. Then they began to take the Natsiks in the TV, here is one such n-k, and drowned my tank, you bastard.
      3. Tersky
        Tersky 11 July 2013 13: 03 New
        +1
        Quote: piterkras
        Russians would not write. At the end they would receive from Caucasians and Buryats, and would write on themselves.

        This, as I understand it, from personal experience and memories of army everyday life? It’s just not clear, you either gave or received at the end.
      4. little man
        little man 11 July 2013 13: 38 New
        +1
        Maybe somewhere you’re right for 20 years, we have raised a lot of pride
    2. Vadivak
      Vadivak 11 July 2013 12: 13 New
      26
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      And how much would the Russians be given if they wrote something like that on the backs of these "dag"? Immediately stuck an article on kindling or what ??? Now a new call is coming, the question is how much more of this will happen. Dembelya edren loaf. For a year the crucians served and imagined themselves as demobels.


      Let's see what the Dagestanis will be presented for beating a deputy in Volgograd, threatened with a finger or apologized and released
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 11 July 2013 12: 16 New
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        Quote: Vadivak
        Let's see what Dagestanis will be presented for beating a deputy in Volgograd

        I don’t know, but I saw them on the news today, one is greyhound and spits in the camera, the other smiles. They know that the laws we have are such that they don’t face anything terrible. The owners of life ***** them
        Hi Vadim hi
        1. O_RUS
          O_RUS 12 July 2013 08: 08 New
          +2
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          They know that the laws we have are such that they don’t face anything terrible. The owners of life ***** them


          ... if you re-read all articles about incidents with chocks, you get the impression - there is an oral order that says - CHURKA is not guilty, regardless of the gravity of the crime
      2. piterkras
        piterkras 11 July 2013 12: 17 New
        -8
        They will plant them. And do not hope that they will be released. You will not get it.
        1. Mhpv
          Mhpv 11 July 2013 12: 33 New
          +8
          It would be better if they were given to the riot police for sparring during the investigation
          1. il grand casino
            il grand casino 11 July 2013 12: 42 New
            +7
            Amerovskie submarines. Instead of rubber "women" ... well, or men. It's not that important there. But the crew on long voyage will have something to have fun
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 11 July 2013 12: 35 New
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          Quote: piterkras
          They will plant them. And do not hope that they will be released. You will not get it.

          Yeah, I’m kind of sitting, I hope they’re released. fool
        3. Vadivak
          Vadivak 11 July 2013 12: 53 New
          10
          Quote: piterkras
          They will plant them. And do not hope that they will be released. You will not get it.


          Wake up child Seliger

          The amount of material damage caused to the state by corruption crimes this year increased 5,5 times and exceeded 4,4 billion rubles, especially in the field of state defense orders, the Prosecutor General of Russia said.
          1. piterkras
            piterkras 11 July 2013 17: 34 New
            -2
            So what? It’s not for me to judge any Serdyukov and army embezzlers. The soldiers themselves in the unit stole what they could, starting from pea jackets in the locker room and ending with parts from the Urals. I’m already silent about the fact that the soldiers themselves were stealing from each other and pushing out the parcels.
      3. fzr1000
        fzr1000 11 July 2013 12: 18 New
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        As for the Dugs and the deputy, then the Dagas are unlikely to get it. Volfovich on g ... o come out, but does not come down.

        Regarding the Russians, who at the end will receive from the Dag and drill. Piterkras do you speak for yourself or for whom? I am 42 years old already, but on my fists I calmly push myself out forty times, and on the bars too. I, too, can be given at the butt, but so that there are more than two opponents. I'm not Jackie Chan, but I'm Russian.
        1. piterkras
          piterkras 11 July 2013 12: 29 New
          -38
          Ha ha ha, as cool as you are, on the bars and push-ups, very often in the Army a crowd was beaten to death. All your push-ups are bullshit. Who cares who you are by nationality. There it looks who is who. And you can’t deceive. I tell you that in the Army such cheap populism of yours will not work. Break if necessary. Then you will be sent to the glasses so obstinate to rehabilitate themselves in front of colleagues for excessive ambition.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 11 July 2013 12: 36 New
            13
            Quote: piterkras
            . All your push-ups are bullshit.

            Well, go instead of push-ups bukhai, you’ll probably become healthier.
          2. fzr1000
            fzr1000 11 July 2013 12: 39 New
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            Can you read? What populism? You can beat anyone with a crowd, this is not valor, this is not even populism, this is ******* usual, jackal. These are Zon concepts I understand that you "sympathize" with the "heroes" of the above-published article? Probably, you yourself are glad to come off the crowd over the weak? And sometimes such a "lowered", brought to the handle, takes and shoots his offenders. How would you like that? Well, yes, everything will be all the same to you later.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 11 July 2013 12: 48 New
              13
              Quote: fzr1000
              Can you read? What kind of populism?

              Yes, do not pay attention, read his past comments and everything will be clear what kind of person. maybe he flew right up to the demobilization with a racket
              1. Tersky
                Tersky 11 July 2013 13: 07 New
                +8
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                what kind of person. maybe he flew right up to the demobilization with a racket

                This is the easiest option, it is not excluded that in the "catch" of the same national minority "service" dragged.
          3. Furnace driver
            Furnace driver 11 July 2013 13: 27 New
            +3
            Quote: piterkras
            Ha ha ha, as cool as you are, on the bars and push-ups, very often in the Army a crowd was beaten to death.

            Is it not inciting ethnic hatred? you do not have the Armenian flag, but the Russian
          4. baltika-18
            baltika-18 11 July 2013 14: 58 New
            +1
            Quote: piterkras
            Ha ha ha, as cool as you

            Nah, man .....
            You seem to have decided to end your activity on the site with shame.
          5. Rakti-kali
            Rakti-kali 11 July 2013 15: 37 New
            0
            Quote: piterkras
            Ha ha ha, as cool as you are, on the bars and push-ups, very often in the Army a crowd was beaten to death. All your push-ups are bullshit.

            I will not say for push-ups, but somehow 24 young with the help of arches from beds and such a mother, more than fifty old-timers scattered well. So, if you do not want to humiliate yourself - be ready to show responsibility and courage and stand up for yourself.
            But, in our "peaceful" and "safe" state, all official policy is aimed at promoting irresponsibility and resignation, unfortunately. The conscripts, of course, are well aware of their rights, but they will not strike a finger to defend these rights.
      4. Tersky
        Tersky 11 July 2013 12: 27 New
        +7
        Quote: Vadivak
        Let's see what the Dagestanis will be presented for beating a deputy in Volgograd, threatened with a finger or apologized and released

        Vadim hi ! Well, as in d / s, honestly fellow (joke). The result is quite predictable, and it’s unnecessary to go to the grandmother. Representatives of the nationality prevailing in the Russian Federation were involved, then it would be possible to place bets for how long they would ring.
      5. Sinbad
        Sinbad 11 July 2013 12: 51 New
        0
        To the wall, without trial or investigation, once - different will be the order.
      6. Garrin
        Garrin 11 July 2013 17: 12 New
        +1
        Quote: Vadivak
        Let's see what the Dagestanis will be presented for beating a deputy in Volgograd, threatened with a finger or apologized and released

        Well, it depends on how much they bring.
      7. zennon
        zennon 11 July 2013 20: 17 New
        0
        Let's see what Dagestanis will be presented for beating a deputy in Volgograd

        Did he seem to be retired with a bat in Moscow? But they actually found weapons there, resistance during detention ...
    3. Tersky
      Tersky 11 July 2013 12: 21 New
      +9
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Dembelya edren loaf. After a year, crucians served and imagined themselves to be demobilized.

      Sasha hi ! Yes, what kind of carp there ... carp, the beauty was transferred together with the USSR. And this is so, piscari. who need a tattoo on their entire forehead and a bigger one "FOOTBALL DAG 05", so that every time they approach the mirror, they remember their "coolness" and people from afar can see who is in front of them.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 11 July 2013 12: 37 New
        +3
        Quote: Tersky
        Yes, what kind of ... crucian, beauty transferred together the USSR

        Yes, I am so for the service life request
        Hi Vit hi
    4. Sewer
      Sewer 11 July 2013 12: 43 New
      +5
      The Russians would be closed for real terms, without any colonies of settlements and conditions, and a howl would be raised such that they could have been captured for 10 years! whoever is in power, he writes, but from what they write, it’s not hard to guess who is in power! And in all the latest cases, if you can call them that at all, the authorities of Chernozhopinsk-1 will soon even be rewarded for that! am
      1. Gooch
        Gooch 12 July 2013 06: 42 New
        +1
        Quote: Sewer
        The Russians would be closed for real terms, without any colonies of settlements and conditions, and a howl would be raised such that they could have been captured for 10 years! whoever is in power, he writes, but from what they write, it’s not hard to guess who is in power! And in all the latest cases, if you can call them that at all, the authorities of Chernozhopinsk-1 will soon even be rewarded for that! am

        The white men of the Caucasus, very upset the inhabitants of Russia, because they think that Russians are all Aryans, and all around, black-assed, ass-eyed, gay, nigra and other biomass, however, this is a typical position of a small, pocked reots.
  • kagorta
    kagorta 11 July 2013 12: 09 New
    +2
    The gesture in the photograph is not a gesture of suppressing the will, it is a Muslim gesture - it means "Allah is one" (that is, there is no god but Allah).
    1. omsbon
      omsbon 11 July 2013 12: 42 New
      11
      Quote: kagorta
      The gesture in the photograph is not a gesture of suppressing the will, it is a Muslim gesture - it means "Allah is one" (that is, there is no god but Allah).

      It’s a pity that this gesture cannot be crammed into this asshole!
  • Skipper
    Skipper 11 July 2013 12: 11 New
    +8
    One conditionally, the other 2.6, hmm, if they were locked up during the investigation, this counts as + "good behavior" and you see, after 6 months they are free and clean again. It's all bullshit ...

    Z.Y. But the article is still a plus, for informing
  • Denis
    Denis 11 July 2013 12: 11 New
    16
    -Bakhmudov and Dondupov pleaded guilty in the process.
    Yes, such grief the Caucasians understand only power, a little squeeze in all confess ... for our ashamed.
  • piterkras
    piterkras 11 July 2013 12: 11 New
    +1
    The same thing happens in the same Pugachevo. But already with a civilian flavor, not army.
  • Nevsky
    Nevsky 11 July 2013 12: 12 New
    17
    Explain to me from Ukraine, are there really so few Russians in military units that the Buryats are already borzoi? sad

    Oh, without the southeast of Ukraine, Russia is hard what
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 11 July 2013 12: 19 New
      14
      Quote: Nevsky
      Explain to me from Ukraine, are there really so few Russians in military units that the Buryats are already borzoi

      1. This is lack of will.
      2. Touch them and get incitement to ethnic hatred.
      we, as it were, are no longer masters in our country. Thanks to our deputies, a deep bow to them in the belly with his feet.
      1. piterkras
        piterkras 11 July 2013 12: 55 New
        -11
        Have you served in the Army at all?
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 11 July 2013 13: 05 New
          +4
          Quote: piterkras
          Have you served in the Army at all?

          1994-1996g
        2. little man
          little man 11 July 2013 13: 33 New
          +3
          1987-1989.
          But whoever did not serve is not interested in this site.
          Hazing was not always. When my father served, they didn’t even know such a thing; moreover, they helped the young. And this is due to tough selection in the army. Even with flat feet did not take! It was an honor to serve. If you didn’t serve, the girls bypassed you as inferior. When I served (the selection was already formal) hazing was already there, but not compatriot but in terms of service (grandfathers / years old mixed Lithuanians, Moldovans, Russians, Caucasians). But there was almost no mockery. The Zempolitians knew their job - the disbath loomed realistically.
    2. piterkras
      piterkras 11 July 2013 12: 20 New
      -10
      Simply and easily. It really looks strange from the outside, but when you are directly at the place of events and are their participant, then no misunderstandings arise. If you had been serving there, then you probably would have stood there too. And do not repeat here that such a principle would be impossible. Everything is possible, oh-how is it possible.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 11 July 2013 12: 23 New
        +6
        Quote: piterkras
        If you served there, then most likely in that 5ne would also stand

        We had people from the Caucasus, but there was no such crap.
        And in general, you yourself served, or I look at your past comments and you don’t want to communicate with you. Another question is who has great respect for Russia.
        1. piterkras
          piterkras 11 July 2013 12: 58 New
          -10
          Neftekumsk, Stavropol Territory, VV, 2005-2007, 3753. There was a dashing time.
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 11 July 2013 18: 07 New
            +4
            Quote: piterkras
            Neftekumsk, Stavropol Territory, VV, 2005-2007, 3753. There was a dashing time.

            And what dashing at this time was?))))) A couple of times they gave the machine an insult?)))))))
      2. Yarbay
        Yarbay 11 July 2013 18: 06 New
        -4
        Quote: piterkras
        Simply and easily. It really looks strange from the outside, but when you are directly at the place of events and are their participant, then no misunderstandings arise.

        I agree!!!!!
        Quote: piterkras
        And do not repeat here that such a principle would be impossible. Everything is possible, oh-how is it possible.
        It’s also true, oh how true !!
    3. Sewer
      Sewer 11 July 2013 12: 44 New
      -1
      I explain: Russians would be closed for real terms, without any colonies of settlements and conditions, and a howl would be raised so that they could have been captured for 10 years! And everything can be done to minorities, laws are written in Chernozhopinsk-1, also known as Moskvobad! there’s nothing whoever is in power writes that, but it’s not difficult to guess who is in power! And in all the latest cases, if you can call them that at all, the authorities of Chernozhopinsk-1 will soon even be rewarded for that!
      1. O_RUS
        O_RUS 12 July 2013 08: 01 New
        +2
        Quote: Sewer
        The Russians would be closed for real terms, without any colonies of settlements and conditions, and the howl would be raised


        Alas and this is reality Russian would be "rolled" for a long time.
        It’s interesting to whom it’s wearing pink glasses ....

        Any black incident comes down on the brakes.
        1. Marek Rozny
          Marek Rozny 14 July 2013 00: 32 New
          -1
          Quote: O_RUS
          Alas, and this is the reality of the Russian would be "rolled" for a long time.

          Stop whining already on this subject. In Kazakhstan, ethnic disputes happen very rarely, but if they happen, the scenario usually ends up with the fact that they plant Kazakhs (abreks usually after such conflicts either in a hospital or in the next world). The Kazakhs know that stopuds will be sentenced for lynching and arbitrariness, but nevertheless, if they believe that their national pride has hurt, they go and destroy the offending foreigner, his house and his relatives, without escalating tantrum in the internet or in the kitchen, and awaiting the arrival of the police.
          And none of the Kazakhs whines: "Oh, you can't get into a fight with foreigners, they'll put us in jail!" Yes, they will. Because law is law and arbitrariness must be punished. If you do not put a Kazakh who went too far, then we will not have justice in the country. And if you do not break the face of a presumptuous foreigner, then there will also be no justice.
          As a result, the titular nation does not feel restrained, realizing that righteous emotions can always throw its fist out, and non-titular peoples in Kazakhstan do not consider themselves oppressed and powerless, knowing that in case of lawlessness on the part of the Kazakh, the self-governing person will certainly be sent to prison. Therefore, no one has any complaints - not among the Kazakhs against the Caucasians, Slavs, Germans, Koreans, Uzbeks, Uighurs, nor among these peoples to the titular nation. Therefore, they willingly go to visit each other and are friends, not allowing thoughts of the possibility of conflict on the international topic. And who begins to show off - those will knock out teeth. And those who knocked out their teeth will be jailed. Very simple and absolutely functional scheme.
          1. O_RUS
            O_RUS 14 July 2013 15: 32 New
            0
            "A very simple and absolutely workable scheme."

            theorist?

            Theorist is one who understands something theoretically (speculatively), that is, has knowledge on some issue, but does not have the skill. For example, it successfully catches fish at home, on the couch.
            1. Marek Rozny
              Marek Rozny 16 July 2013 10: 29 New
              -1
              Quote: O_RUS
              theorist?

              observer. I have the right to compare the level of national intolerance - I lived both in Russia and in Kazakhstan. the difference in the national question is gigantic. in Russia this question is in the first place, in Kazakhstan few people are interested in your nationality. In Russia, inter-ethnic conflicts are a common thing and usually end with a howl: "we are oppressed by newcomers" and "Russians are chauvinists," in Kazakhstan, inter-ethnic conflicts are a rare case, and there are no "offended" parties.
              strong dictatorship of one nation in Russia (Tatars are even forbidden to officially write in Tatar as they like, teaching foreign languages ​​in places of compact settlement (MCP) of foreigners is fiction, absolute domination of one language even in non-Russian regions), in Kazakhstan all large ethnic groups they can receive education in their native language in the ITUC (Russian, Uzbek, Uigur, German), bilingualism is actually developed (and now the policy of trilingualism from kindergarten is being introduced), no interference in the cultural life of non-Kazakh foreigners.
              In Russia, it is hysterical if a Muslim slaughters a ram in the yard or a Caucasian dances a lezginka, and in Kazakhstan, Kazakhs, on the contrary, support when Russians burn stuffed animals on Maslenitsa or when the same Vainakh dances a beautiful dance. And the Kazakh would not think that this is a sign of "occupation".
              In Russia, incidents happen when a foreigner allows himself to humiliate a Russian / Russian, in Kazakhstan society is so arranged that it’s hell to which of the foreigners would come to mind. And if he does, he will receive an instant rebuff even before the reaction of the authorities or journalists.
              In Russia, the murder of non-Russians is a common thing, in Kazakhstan there was no and even no concept of "murder on ethnic grounds".
              In Russia, the number of "non-Russians" in the army is monitored; in Kazakhstan, generals find it difficult to answer the question "how many non-Kazakhs are in their units", since it never occurs to anyone to officially count servicemen on the basis of nationality.
              In Russia, tons of shit pour out when a non-Russian receives a medal for Russia at the Olympics, in Kazakhstan non-Kazakh champions (Slavs, Greeks, Caucasians, Dungans, Koreans) become the heroes of the country, after whom they call sports facilities, call children, hug on the streets.
              In Russia they laugh when a Russian athlete of Caucasian descent was beaten in Kazakhstan, and the Kazakhs are outraged when a Russian-born Karaganda was killed in the United States.
              Maybe you need to play a little less, but take a closer look at why two multinational countries, which are "twin brothers" in many socio-economic points, have absolutely different interethnic climates?
              ZY In Russia, 85% of the population is ethnic Russians, and a lot of shouts about "non-Russians". In Kazakhstan, there are only 60% of Kazakhs, while Kazakhs do not experience any stress. The only thing that Kazakhs want non-Kazakhs to know (at least tolerably) the state language. At the same time, no pressure is exerted on the current generation of non-Kazakhs in this matter. Then there will be demand only from those who are now in kindergartens and schools. The solution to this issue was stretched over decades so that non-Kazakhs would not feel uncomfortable. So far, even on the money we have on the one hand written in Russian, so that all Kazakhstanis feel comfortable.
              1. O_RUS
                O_RUS 16 July 2013 13: 40 New
                0
                No. I'm sorry, your com didn’t master, I stopped reading after a couple of lines ... the essence is clear
                your comet is another tub of dirt on Russia and Russians.

                I myself am from Kiev, I often visit Russia, there are many friends among Russians and write about that - PURE WATER PROVOCATION

                Are you so flawed? Or troll?
                1. Marek Rozny
                  Marek Rozny 17 July 2013 23: 27 New
                  0
                  If you have not mastered my text, then what for you talk about it?
                  I, unlike you, am a former Russian myself. And I know perfectly well what international climate in this country. And I have something to compare with, and I have my own conclusions.
                  Do you think that in Russia a normal interethnic situation? Do not make me laugh. Otherwise, several materials on this topic would not be published every week on the site.
                  In my message, I suggest that Russians think about why the national issue in Kazakhstan is not topical, but in Russia this topic is super-relevant. Why in Kazakhstan, where the share of non-Kazakhs is even greater than the share of non-Russians in Russia, there are no frank inter-ethnic conflicts, and in Russia they happen all the time.
                  Is it a mud bucket and a provocation? You carefully read my message or do not clever at all, especially in such an offensive form.
                  1. O_RUS
                    O_RUS 22 July 2013 14: 02 New
                    0
                    Quote: Marek Rozny
                    I, unlike you, am a former Russian myself.


                    immature personality findings

                    Quote: Marek Rozny
                    Do you think that in Russia a normal interethnic situation? Do not make me laugh


                    don’t answer for me and then stop laughing at your answers (in other words, don’t have a dialogue with yourself)
    4. nemec55
      nemec55 11 July 2013 14: 16 New
      +5
      Everything was very MISSED by the people, with links, repressions, and waiting in line for a reception for bureaucrats for an obscene attitude towards a Russian-speaking person (Germans, Ukrainians, Moldovans, Latvians, etc.) and, most importantly, tough attitude towards Russians before the law and imposing attitude on the law among officials regarding to a Caucasian (Hurley speak Russian saying that they want something and they do) and the guy came into the army and dreams of coming home to get married now and then they came down from the mountains and impose some kind of alien ideals, fight with them in any case utopia or kill or put sv and) without losing option for Ali, Bar
    5. Sergey_K
      Sergey_K 11 July 2013 15: 36 New
      12
      Everything is very simple. He gave Lyuli to black, you return home, and there the entire task force is already sitting - waiting for you. He stabbed a Russian - he went to his black-copy house, was awarded ...

      They write here about T50, Armata, strategic nuclear forces, oil prices ... Yes, we are sitting on such a bomb that no Armata will save us. Russia will fall apart from within. A resident of Novosibirsk, at last, will say, I pay taxes, everything that is possible is pumped out of my land, Moscow is fattening, newcomers are fattening, YES WHAT IS THE ENDLESS OF SUCH? You look now at the distribution of incomes, only the eternal Russian character saves Moscow from anger, but this cannot go on endlessly.
    6. Hleb
      Hleb 11 July 2013 18: 10 New
      0
      this is generally some isolated example. I generally did not see that the Buryats and Dagestanis got along particularly well.
      1. Gooch
        Gooch 12 July 2013 06: 47 New
        +2
        Quote: Gleb
        this is generally some isolated example. I generally did not see that the Buryats and Dagestanis got along particularly well.

        horseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeely
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 12 July 2013 08: 18 New
          +2
          Quote: Gooch
          horseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeely

          I'm in shock ... already the Buryats are bulling
          1. Gooch
            Gooch 12 July 2013 08: 51 New
            +2
            Quote: Yarbay
            I'm in shock ... already the Buryats are bulling

            Still, Buryats in Buryatia is an insult, what kind of attitude the "titular" nation demands, if Caucasians are black-asses for them, Buryats are big-eyed, Ukrainians are fat-eaters, Belarusians are collective farmers, Bulbashs.
          2. tverskoi77
            tverskoi77 12 July 2013 10: 56 New
            +2
            I'm in shock ... already the Buryats are bulling

            bulls are those who are allowed to bull.
            In the comments of many, it was correctly noted that if these actions were done by the Russians they would not be given conditionally, but in full.
            When I served, we got along with the Dagestanis, and they got in, everyone understood that they were wrong, but they also got it well from us. As a result, they were all recognized as victims, and we were almost the entire officer corps of the unit then dr @ chil. And only a few officers quietly in the ear told us their opinion "that we are great." But this was only their "underground" opinion, the entire policy of the Ministry of Defense and the government of the country stands for national minorities, and their titular nation is "scapegoats ..."
            PS naturally dagi already the next call, after this debriefing, overlooked at all. And nobody had the desire to pacify them.
            PSS, and at this gathering, the Dagestanis gathered from all over (they left their locations with outfits, etc.) and no one wanted to see these disciplinary violations!
            PSS from our side were not only Russians, there were Tatars and from Mordovia, in general from all over the country, and we were all of different appeals and were one.
        2. Hleb
          Hleb 12 July 2013 11: 28 New
          0
          and chiiiiiitaaaaat uchiiiiiiiii))?
          I did not see that the Buryats and Dagestanis got along especially well

          where in your photo is the friendship between the dugs and buryats?
  • EGORKA
    EGORKA 11 July 2013 12: 12 New
    17
    Officers of these units must be judged.
    1. piterkras
      piterkras 11 July 2013 12: 18 New
      +2
      And the power on the citizen, too, for the fact that Caucasians in Russian cities have fun with impunity?
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 11 July 2013 12: 49 New
      +5
      Quote: EGORKA
      Officers of these units must be judged.

      It is necessary to judge those who adopted the law on national hatred.
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 11 July 2013 18: 08 New
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        It is necessary to judge those who adopted the law on national hatred.

        Sanya, you have to judge all those who are related to the laws and their implementation !!))
  • Nester
    Nester 11 July 2013 12: 12 New
    10
    They serve the year when they manage to become grandfathers?
  • Airman
    Airman 11 July 2013 12: 13 New
    +6
    I did not understand why the terms are DIFFERENT. One settlement, the other conditionally. Again paid off! Even military themis is corrupt.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 11 July 2013 12: 39 New
      +5
      Quote: Povshnik
      I did not understand why the terms are DIFFERENT.

      The first is richer and thieves, the second is poorer and more modest hi
      1. Andrey Skokovsky
        Andrey Skokovsky 11 July 2013 13: 14 New
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Quote: Povshnik
        I did not understand why the terms are DIFFERENT.

        The first is richer and thieves, the second is poorer and more modest hi


        maybe just one more earned, well, so simple, without speculation about anything ........
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 11 July 2013 14: 15 New
          0
          Quote: Andrey Skokovsky
          maybe just one deserves more

          You wanted to say paid winked
  • dimon-media
    dimon-media 11 July 2013 12: 16 New
    13
    All this speaks of connivance (officers, foremen and sergeants)! where are they looking ?! Where is the work of the special forces with the unit ?! Damn, well yo-may, for this it is necessary to tear off shoulder straps from responsible officers and drive from service to a civilian depriving them of their years of service for a COMPLETE SERVICE Mismatch !!!
    1. Airman
      Airman 11 July 2013 12: 35 New
      +3
      Quote: dimon-media
      All this speaks of connivance (officers, foremen and sergeants)! where are they looking ?! Where is the work of the special forces with the unit ?! Damn, well yo-may, for this it is necessary to tear off shoulder straps from responsible officers and drive from service to a civilian depriving them of their years of service for a COMPLETE SERVICE Mismatch !!!


      If you follow your advice, then all such facts will be hidden, which means these bastards will feel their impunity. It is just NECESSARY to introduce a NEW disciplinary charter, so that they could immediately isolate the scoundrels from the company commander and above from the collective. And now only conviction measures, and in many cases they are not effective.
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      2. baltika-18
        baltika-18 11 July 2013 15: 16 New
        +1
        Quote: Povshnik
        So that they could immediately isolate the scoundrels from the company commander and above from the collective.

        Put the lip back. And as we had there. Shootings, crawls 4 hours before lunch and 4 hours after lunch, rise at 5.00, hang up at 23.00, free from running, crawling time-chores in full program while legs keep.
        5-7 days in this mode and forget that he is dag and how the letters look. Border Guards, 83-85,95th Königsberg detachment, punishment for hazing, disobedience, drinking alcohol, airplane. He sat for 5 days, an effective measure. On the contrary, I’m grateful to the officers who brought me to my senses, no anger. I found my commanders via the Internet, through the forum border guard.ru, we communicate.
        1. piterkras
          piterkras 11 July 2013 17: 55 New
          -5
          When the Soviet Union collapsed, why didn’t you, who swore allegiance to defend your Soviet homeland? But here you pick 83-85 guards. troops. They handed over the country without a fight, but you will teach the current soldiers how to serve. Oh well...
    2. Leisure
      Leisure 11 July 2013 13: 21 New
      +1
      Loaders to the plant. Apparently, the "officers" do not succeed in anything else.
    3. Andrey Skokovsky
      Andrey Skokovsky 11 July 2013 13: 23 New
      +1
      Quote: dimon-media
      All this speaks of connivance (officers, foremen and sergeants)! where are they looking ?! Where is the work of the special forces with the unit ?! Damn, well yo-may, for this it is necessary to tear off shoulder straps from responsible officers and drive from service to a civilian depriving them of their years of service for a COMPLETE SERVICE Mismatch !!!


      Thank you.
      Finally, the comment is not from the Internet hamster, I already thought that there are no military at all.
    4. RPD
      RPD 11 July 2013 13: 29 New
      +3
      baaaaa you look what acrobatics .... for a long time in parts and garrisons were?
      Where is the work of the Specialists
      ))))) only in the Moscow Region (read near Kremlin) units and with vigorous bombs))))
      1. dimon-media
        dimon-media 11 July 2013 14: 19 New
        +1
        Where? I will tell you where I served: the Red-haired Transcaucasian Border District, the Artashat border guard unit of military unit 2052, 10 PogZ. It suits you?
        1. baltika-18
          baltika-18 11 July 2013 15: 20 New
          0
          Quote: dimon-media
          I’ll tell you where he served: Red-haired Transcaucasian Border District, Artashat border guard detachment of military unit 2052, 10 PogZ. It suits you?

          More than me.
          military unit 2297, Konigsberg border detachment, 2nd border commandant, 21 outposts.
          Hello brother border guard!
    5. Sergey_K
      Sergey_K 11 July 2013 15: 39 New
      +1
      Protect the officer in civilian life and his family! We shoot soldiers near their homes and leave! Would you sacrifice your family?
    6. Rakti-kali
      Rakti-kali 11 July 2013 15: 51 New
      +2
      Quote: dimon-media
      All this speaks of connivance (officers, foremen and sergeants)! where are they looking ?!

      Well, how do you leave the officers in the barracks around the clock? A mass of sergeants are the same guys, neither mind nor authority.
      The trouble is different - such an offended person will come to you to complain, but it’s like a sickle in the testicles - an emergency in the unit, you need to investigate, report to the top, so you were left without a bonus or with a "bad" record where you should. And if you deal with the scumbags informally, they will be the first to run to complain. As a result, you will sit down yourself. So think about what to do - fly in or hide.
  • Dart weyder
    Dart weyder 11 July 2013 12: 17 New
    +3
    there’s nothing to recruit them into the army - let them sell tomatoes .... and defenders didn’t have to smoke beer on a civilian with grass - but a little exercise
  • EGORKA
    EGORKA 11 July 2013 12: 18 New
    +7
    Now in Russia there are a lot of mugs, such a generation went after the 90s, there is no proper upbringing, they are being built. But again, like a civilian, the authorities are condoned by officers who must also be judged strictly for this, and this was not enough for that. .
  • IRBIS
    IRBIS 11 July 2013 12: 23 New
    22
    "... Teymur Mamedov and Elbrus Musayev woke up their company at night, disabled 16 servicemen ..."
    This just "kills"! Two! abrek was taken out 16! man!!! Lack of will and humility ... Fear and horror ... And these are the "defenders" of the Motherland? And what did the "gentlemen" officers do there, may I ask? Again complained about "small" salaries and chatted in the office about the "vicissitudes and hardships" of military service? Fire them, to f..m! It's a shame, it's a shame to read ...
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 11 July 2013 12: 40 New
      +2
      Quote: IRBIS
      And what were the "gentlemen" officers doing there, let me ask you

      At us they slept in the office, more often truth is true, not officers.
    2. Avenger711
      Avenger711 11 July 2013 13: 08 New
      +7
      They will be imprisoned if they put these two in their place, because they cannot do without blood there. If there is an equally impudent Russian, then the abreks very quickly find themselves on the floor in snot. But only in our country criminals, unlike Caucasians, are not raised.
    3. smersh70
      smersh70 11 July 2013 14: 38 New
      +2
      Quote: IRBIS
      .Teymur Mamedov and Elbrus Musaev woke up their company at night, disabled 16 servicemen ... "



      but let's look on the other hand! because these 2 comrades with such peace of mind would have put 16 Americans out of action tomorrow .... being privates of the Russian army ....
      let 16 idiots be manly responsible for themselves! and everything will be tip-top hi
      1. Scoun
        Scoun 11 July 2013 18: 00 New
        +1
        Quote: smersh70
        but let's look on the other hand! after all, these 2 comrades with such calm

        I don’t understand, of course .. what sounds so bizarre ... 2 comrades, 16 people .... who could they bring it to? this is how old-timers of new arrivals display and paint ....
        it’s unlikely to withdraw one call ...
        I don’t know my call to bring out how dull guano you have to be)))
        so about 16 of course it sounds loud, but you need to understand that it’s still semi-civilian slag .. who still haven’t gotten used to mother’s tits)))
        PS.
        in our part yes .. and 40 people could withdraw one person .. but if only the grandfather of the new recruits ... the scoop could try .. but already through one they would be sent by the forest-field ... and that people would be called ... this is anrial .. soldier
        I remember myself when I got off the bus and lined up on the parade ground ..
        greyhound greyhound .. citizen ... the meeting officer immediately greeted .. -Well, the dumb-headed rams arrived !!!!
        and when we saw the first "half-yearly" they seemed to us such suffocations .. the one-year-olds already looked more serious and 1.5 year-olds already seemed to us like men ... and then, as it turned out, these suffocations ... oh, how did we get it for the first time ...
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    4. Yarbay
      Yarbay 11 July 2013 18: 12 New
      0
      Quote: IRBIS
      This just "kills"! Two! abrek was taken out 16! man!!! Lack of will and submission ... Fear and horror ...

      Here I am about it!
      A person must have self-esteem !!
      I assure you that there would be one slamming if those two would have beaten him there, the remaining 15 would not have made a sound !!
  • My address
    My address 11 July 2013 12: 28 New
    +4
    I hope that the commander of the squadron does not fully comply with the demotion in rank and position, the commander of the unit was expelled from the army, and the comrades received 2 of the real term. The fish rots from the head. Young comes to the army as a child, lepi out of it what you want, but lepi immediately. If the lieutenant could rassusolivat, then the captain is obliged to prepare for the Dagas and other Chechens. Normal komroty prepares a support group. In 70, they prepared not from hazing, but to get soldiers faster.
    1. vadimN
      vadimN 11 July 2013 12: 48 New
      19
      On the general situation in the country, lack of education, etc. you can blame as much as you like, but in the end, EVERYTHING depends on the particular combat commander! The correct commander is able to normalize the situation in an arbitrarily diverse and diverse team. I am sure of this, and my confidence rests on real experience from my own naval life.

      Here's one small example: 1987. I, a young lieutenant, have just come to the ship (Northern Fleet). The brigade has 4 ships of the same type. The level of military discipline is maintained to varying degrees on all ships, the hazing virus is present ... but not on our ship! Before college, I served a year of military service in the ground forces and saw all kinds of movies called "hazing". My surprise and respect for the officers of the ship was indescribable when I saw that the generally small crew (about 70 people) did not have any international or "grandfather" problems at all. And in the carriage - a complete international: almost a third - different Central Asians, the rest - everyone, anyone, from Moldovans to Balts ...
      ... The secret was simple. Previously, everything was like everyone else - fights, hazing ... But a year ago a new commander came to the ship. I will not describe all his educational measures, but they were quite tough, but effective! I will dwell on only one, the most typical example: Crew formation to raise the flag. After all the prescribed rituals - a short speech by the commander, the essence of which is as follows: "Soviet sailors serve on my ship, not Uzbeks, Latvians, Russians and Moldovans. And also not salagi and not years (who does not know," year "- naval an analogue of the land "grandfather"). Whoever opposes this by his own words or actions will go to the dispatch battalion! Whoever does not get caught obviously - I will provoke and jail him! The word of the officer! "
      Believe me, it was. Things didn’t get to the landing, but since then nobody on the ship remembered hazing, for everyone, from the sailor to the chief sailor, knew that our commander was a man of his word!
      1. little man
        little man 11 July 2013 13: 51 New
        +1
        Vadim, good health! He served at the same time. Everything is described exactly - even nationalities, even though I was in Sevastopol. And did you have such an interesting thing as a physical examination? When everyone was built naked and the political officer with a sarp was examined by the crew for bruises. The funny thing is that they first examined in shorts, then naked - how did the fashion go to drive balls into pisyun (well, not really, let’s omit the anatomy) smile
        1. vadimN
          vadimN 11 July 2013 16: 03 New
          0
          No, that was not the case ... Can you imagine the IPC of Project 1124 Albatross? Everything is there in plain sight, no hide, no hide. What is not visible is heard, what is not heard, then the political officer will be reported :) So there was no need for inspection activities. I served on that ship for 2,5 years. During this time, there was one fight among the sailors, and that had nothing to do with the service life or nationality - just one minder found a scrambled can of condensed milk in the engine room and diminished it "in one mug", and the author of the bookmark regarded it as an attempt on personal property ... in general, it was not even a fight, they just squeezed each other's breasts, but the lads shouted at the bully, and they fled ... The words of the commander about the disbat were remembered for a very long time, and no one wanted to get under the distribution, even by accident.
      2. Alexey K.
        Alexey K. 12 July 2013 02: 58 New
        0
        Real officer. Father is a commander. There would be more of these in the army.
  • kagorta
    kagorta 11 July 2013 12: 29 New
    +6
    Why they will not adopt the law on hazing, that this is an undermining of the country's defense capability. And 10 camps immediately for any hazing fact. And the commander, too, if he let the fact drift. And it is necessary to denationalize this process, the Russians are mocking no worse. You are a soldier, you swore an oath for this and answer. When I was serving, on the contrary, I was friends with the Dagis (I came across normal ones, but the Russian one was very rotten, I had to explain to him that if he didn’t stop, he would go on a demobilization with flashlights and wouldn’t stop me, he would be put to him, even if I then the crowd will knead).
  • EGORKA
    EGORKA 11 July 2013 12: 29 New
    +9
    If the Dagestanis and Caucasians in general are mostly sportsmen, then the Russians and others are mostly dead gamers, so what do you want?) That's why they are being fooled, and those who can stand up for themselves can’t cope with them, but they don’t protect their nerds, officers are inactive, and this picture turns out. And they don’t know how to get together in groups like Caucasians, mostly single-minded people, and therefore they bend. Well, some people have kopleks, so to speak, in front of the titular nation, bent down and it seems you feel better and cooler, took off the photo and friends respect it, etc.
  • Alexanderlaskov
    Alexanderlaskov 11 July 2013 12: 31 New
    +4
    Quote: dimon-media
    All this speaks of connivance (the stupidity of officers, foremen and sergeants)! where are they looking ?! Where is the work of the Specialists in the unit ?! Damn, well yo-may, for this it is necessary to tear off shoulder straps from responsible officers and drive from service to a civilian depriving them of their years of service for a COMPLETE SERVICE Mismatch !!!

    Right Officers can, but do not want.
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      1. Airman
        Airman 11 July 2013 14: 00 New
        +2
        Quote: dimon-media
        Here I am about that. Everything is in the hands of officers. As they say - what a pop, such is the parish !. A military unit is the home of the unit commander. He is the king and God in him. Personally, I am aware of what is happening at my place and I will not allow lawlessness in my apartment on the part of the guests, if they are visiting me. If you allow outrage and a mess in your house, then you are a bad master.
        When I served, we didn’t have that (1998-2000). We have any manifestation of hazing suppressed in the bud. Sorry for the directness, but fucked for it so that little would not have seemed to anyone. Officers from the special department worked famously and knew ahead of time who you are and what you are breathing, what you think about. But if he is already fed up or committed an irregular relationship, then blame yourself. They will erase the powder on the lip.
        Z.Y. But there was an order.

        Where's the lip? It has long been gone, but democracy is flourishing, which MUST NOT be in the army! One-man management has long lost its meaning.
  • MG42
    MG42 11 July 2013 12: 31 New
    +6
    State Duma deputies from Dagestan turned to the Minister of Defense with a request to increase the draft for military service from the republic to 3-5 thousand people in 2013. The authors of this initiative argue their request with the fact that in Dagestan military service is considered honorable, moreover, the lack of army experience makes it impossible for young people to continue to work in law enforcement agencies. However, there is an opinion that the Ministry of Defense is really not very thirsty for recruiting from this republic. According to the military, the Dagestanis are poorly controlled, they have problems with the implementation of orders.
    Alexander Golts, military analyst, journalist: "The military say in private conversations that, firstly, it is very difficult to command the Dagestanis, and they are a source of barracks hooliganism, and secondly, it is still a risky business to teach military affairs to people who tomorrow may join the ranks of militants. This is the main contradiction. Moreover, a political contradiction, which consists in the fact that these are people, citizens of the Russian state. And this is not actually a military problem. "
    What are the real reasons for the lack of control of the Dagestani conscripts, and will the increase in conscription entail more problems than the lack of military personnel in the army? “There will be no discipline until professional sergeants appear. Until then, there will be no discipline in the barracks with or without Dagestanis. "


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPVzUr4vcnw

    And remembering the video where the soldiers carry Dagestanis in beds, this is no longer in any frame ..
  • Sosland
    Sosland 11 July 2013 12: 37 New
    17
    I was a "Caucasian" (such a stigma), I served in a sapper battalion, there were Dags and everything, everything, constantly combat work, there was no time to do nonsense, there was no demobilization form or an album (it was not accepted and it was a shame to do it), there was a notebook with addresses, pictures and memory of the battalion commander, kettlebell lifter "you want to fight come out with me", like this on a personal example. The officers also came out and we did not get there, pure sport :) without anger and hatred. And the "regular" part begins with the "regular" commander !!!
  • Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 11 July 2013 12: 38 New
    32
    Gentlemen, mountain eagles from the Caucasus, don't you really understand that you are chopping a branch on which you sit with such comfort? Here in the photo sits such a brave warrior of the prophet, and does not understand that by his actions he just gave birth to five Nazis who will remember this moment for life , and if suddenly sometime in Russia the cry: "Cut the blacks" flies through, they will with great pleasure put your fellow believers and tribesmen on the knife. And with each of your tricks, one more "little thing" falls on the scales, in complete confidence now, that Nazism will save this country, and then no Putin will protect you anymore, because at that moment he will run away from the country (if he is smart) or he will wallow with a hole in his head (if not smart), yes, perhaps this will be the end of Russia as a state, only you will not see this, for you will be talking with the Prophet personally.
    1. Anti
      Anti 11 July 2013 13: 07 New
      +3
      Or maybe it’s better to prepare yourself for military service physically and mentally, that you don’t need to carry your children on your lips until adulthood and blow dust off them, that you need to stick together, and not my hut from the edge, that you don’t need to piss, but ... be such ushlepok with a herd, they won’t put everyone in prison. Well, something like this, and not paint an apocalyptic picture.
    2. piterkras
      piterkras 11 July 2013 13: 10 New
      -10
      If they could have been planted on a knife, they would have been planted long ago. Nothing will happen. You can not threaten your finger here in vain.
      1. Standard Oil
        Standard Oil 11 July 2013 13: 27 New
        +6
        You probably didn’t understand, the point is not that someone went and stabbed someone, but the instinct of the crowd, and these five, instead of passing by, will pour into the crowd with pleasure, do not dismiss the nationalist trends that are all more and more gaining momentum in Russia, you probably don’t know the story, there was already such a country in which racial hatred surged over the edge and flooded half the world, and before that this hatred was accumulating and slowly accumulating.
    3. baltika-18
      baltika-18 11 July 2013 13: 11 New
      +7
      Quote: Standard Oil
      Standard Oil (

      I agree with everything except
      Quote: Standard Oil
      perhaps this will be the end of Russia as a state

      the end of today's Russia, yes, but also the beginning of a new Russia (Great Russian Union).
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    5. Yeraz
      Yeraz 11 July 2013 14: 20 New
      +5
      Quote: Standard Oil
      Gentlemen, mountain eagles from the Caucasus, do you really not understand that you chop the branch on which you sit with such comfort

      If a person allows him to be treated like this, then he is worthy of such treatment, then 2 people built the complete absurdity !!!! So it is necessary.
      Well, Russia will fall apart, considering what the government is doing. Many people did not believe in the collapse of the USSR, but at that time they didn’t want that among the people. And right now, in a situation where they want to be much higher, they will separate.
      1. baltika-18
        baltika-18 11 July 2013 18: 00 New
        0
        Quote: Yeraz
        Well, Russia will fall apart, given what the government is doing

        Do not wait.
        We’d better destroy them, but Russia has stood for centuries and will stand.
        Quote: Yeraz
        And right now in such a situation, where they want many times higher, they will separate.

        For those who want to separate, there is only one way to separation.
        Through Allah ....
        You can’t teach, do not want to force.
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz 11 July 2013 20: 17 New
          +2
          Quote: baltika-18
          Do not wait.

          Actually, I don’t want it, I am a resident and citizen of this country. And for my historical homeland I don’t want the flaming Northern Caucasus where Baku will be drawn.
          Quote: baltika-18
          We’d better destroy them, but Russia has stood for centuries and will stand.

          That is, arrange the genocide of everyone and everything. Mmm ... where are the Russians supposedly not like the West, more humane, etc.
          Quote: baltika-18
          For those who want to separate, there is only one way to separation.
          Through Allah ....
          You can’t teach, do not want to force.

          Well, the USSR was more powerful and there were no people who wanted to secede, but the Slavs themselves separated at the same time. So, do not promise.
        2. FRIGATE2
          FRIGATE2 16 July 2013 17: 51 New
          +1
          Quote: baltika-18
          We’d better destroy them, but Russia has stood for centuries and will stand.

          Mr., who knows the Russian language well, the Pole isn’t from the word half, field, nobleman.

          I want to upset you, but your country will fall apart in 15 years into many countries, with such a mediocre policy.
  • Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya 11 July 2013 12: 48 New
    +7
    Quote: Nester
    They serve the year when they manage to become grandfathers?

    Yes, hazing has nothing to do with it, it’s just a jerk ... and oh .. if they just define animals in those parts where Russians have a low category of suitability, but they are not needed in specialists or airborne forces, but if they got there, they not only they wrote such crap on their backs, they also set cancer!
  • Alexanderlaskov
    Alexanderlaskov 11 July 2013 12: 52 New
    +4
    Quote: EGORKA
    If the Dagestanis and Caucasians in general are mostly sportsmen, then the Russians and others are mostly dead gamers, so what do you want?) That's why they are being fooled, and those who can stand up for themselves can’t cope with them, but they don’t protect their nerds, officers are inactive, and this picture turns out. And they don’t know how to get together in groups like Caucasians, mostly single-minded people, and therefore they bend. Well, some people have kopleks, so to speak, in front of the titular nation, bent down and it seems you feel better and cooler, took off the photo and friends respect it, etc.

    I agree. There is still a different mentality. Caucasians have their own ideas about society, Russians have their own. And it's not the gamers.
  • Sewer
    Sewer 11 July 2013 12: 52 New
    +9
    The officers are to blame, it’s 100%, and they must be dismissed and shamed, and whom should be put down! But this is all the tip of the iceberg! As long as there is no unity between us, some laws will not save the situation! And there is no unity ! There will be, then this will not happen!

    1. Prokrust
      Prokrust 11 July 2013 13: 39 New
      14
      Well, yes, it’s just that the officers are to blame! And the fact that this is the policy of the top: to pretend that everything is fine.
      Example (personal): He served near Saratov, being a green lieutenant, took over as a duty officer. In the evening, a couple of Daghs began to "educate" young soldiers, I saw and "educated" these "children of the mountains" accordingly (and in public). At night, the entire diaspora (15-20 people) came to teach me a lesson (a week earlier the DCs were beaten !!!). Well, I recently left school and was also hot - I took out the PM and said: “You’ll stick around, I’ll drill holes, about 8, and I’ll have time to recharge, then and all 16 ...” And then we parted.
      And in the morning they called me to the political officer and so broke ... Since then, I have not intervened in the DC any more !!!
      1. Starover_Z
        Starover_Z 11 July 2013 14: 59 New
        +5
        Sergey, that your political officer would be in your place, against that crowd !!!
        I believe that actions similar to his misconduct must be taken for everyone!
      2. fzr1000
        fzr1000 11 July 2013 15: 31 New
        +3
        Ah well done! And it’s not because the school is young, hot, but because it must be done that way. Everyone would do that.
  • Manager
    Manager 11 July 2013 12: 55 New
    +5
    In a country where there is no constitutional order at all levels, the strong destroy the weak.

    We need laws and their compliance. Beasts understand only power. Therefore, laws are needed harsh. Until the execution of treason, if you beat a comrade or worse. I consider this a betrayal. Only enemies mock soldiers of other camps. And so it turns out. And this is betrayal, this is a violation of the order, etc.
  • Avenger711
    Avenger711 11 July 2013 13: 00 New
    +9
    All the laws are there, except for one, the soldiers have the right to simply fill the dugs face with the whole part. It is naive to think that a company cannot deal with a bunch of freaks, but it will have to answer for it. There will be a law that Russian is always right, then the problem will disappear. He pointed the Russian to a Caucasian, that one in a cage until clarification, and let him prove that he was not guilty of anything. Beat some dag, dag in a cage before finding out why they were beaten and how much they need to add according to the law. Because the Russian will not beat anyone’s face just because that Tatar, Uzbek, Jew, Chechen, American, and anyone else. And constantly suggest that their fellow tribesmen are to blame for this.

    And in general there is nothing to call them, only Russian and loyal peoples should have weapons.
    1. Tatar
      Tatar 11 July 2013 13: 43 New
      +3
      and also everyone on the march to throw 100 km in full ammunition, then there will be nothing left to do!
  • EGORKA
    EGORKA 11 July 2013 13: 14 New
    +3
    Quote: Alexanderlaskov
    Quote: EGORKA
    If the Dagestanis and Caucasians in general are mostly sportsmen, then the Russians and others are mostly dead gamers, so what do you want?) That's why they are being fooled, and those who can stand up for themselves can’t cope with them, but they don’t protect their nerds, officers are inactive, and this picture turns out. And they don’t know how to get together in groups like Caucasians, mostly single-minded people, and therefore they bend. Well, some people have kopleks, so to speak, in front of the titular nation, bent down and it seems you feel better and cooler, took off the photo and friends respect it, etc.

    I agree. There is still a different mentality. Caucasians have their own ideas about society, Russians have their own. And it's not the gamers.

    and in them, too, to athletes who can resist poke their heads once and, having received change, will not climb. Yes, even if those "gamers" huddled together and fought back, they would not have climbed to them, but now the Russians do not have such a way to get together in a group and stand up for themselves, so one by one they are broken and then lined up. Those officers who allow this are not strictly punished.
    By the way, the punishment of those officers who allow the Russian Natsik could do this, this work is completely for them, if the state is inactive, let them monitor such cases, identify the guilty officers and explain to them that they are not right, that they are not fulfilling their duties and violate the oath .
    And I'm sure that there are Russian grandfathers who also do humiliation, but they have much less window dressing and bravado in this regard.
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  • EGORKA
    EGORKA 11 July 2013 13: 34 New
    +4
    Quote: Avenger711
    All the laws are there, except for one, the soldiers have the right to simply fill the dugs face with the whole part. It is naive to think that a company cannot deal with a bunch of freaks, but it will have to answer for it. There will be a law that Russian is always right, then the problem will disappear. He pointed the Russian to a Caucasian, that one in a cage until clarification, and let him prove that he was not guilty of anything. Beat some dag, dag in a cage before finding out why they were beaten and how much they need to add according to the law. Because the Russian will not beat anyone’s face just because that Tatar, Uzbek, Jew, Chechen, American, and anyone else. And constantly suggest that their fellow tribesmen are to blame for this.

    And in general there is nothing to call them, only Russian and loyal peoples should have weapons.

    you correctly noted that the Russians still have some kind of fear of the law and punishment, of the officers, they have a stop valve, they understand that if they commit a crime against the same Caucasians, no one, no diaspora will try to buy them out, will not come a whole collective farm of relatives, etc. These Russian "gamers" cannot threaten an officer with the fact that the tukhum of his relatives and friends will come and beat the officer, if he gets him, there are many reasons, but if a guy has not been involved in sports since childhood and cannot for himself at least a little stand, then these reasons lose their relevance by 80%. But even from this mattress you can make a soldier and he will fight no worse than the one who humiliated him, this botanist will be smarter and more cunning than such southern bulls, he is more trainable and adequate, he can still be made a male soldier if the officers and the army will carry out their work and not allow such violations.
    1. Avenger711
      Avenger711 11 July 2013 23: 52 New
      0
      Playing sports has little effect on the ability to fill the face, not everyone has enough cruelty and aggressiveness, although the guy can be strong.
  • shpuntik
    shpuntik 11 July 2013 13: 37 New
    +3
    Damn it, what can I say ... What is the reason for such arrogant mockery? Maybe hatred for the infidels is so manifested?
    And what are the terms? "Judge for the soap," so to speak.
    These descendants of Ham, only understand the power. IMHO.
  • valokordin
    valokordin 11 July 2013 13: 39 New
    +5
    What kind of nurse-colony is a settlement like in a resort, only in disbat for 2 years, only in disbat.
  • makst83
    makst83 11 July 2013 13: 39 New
    +4
    it’s already reached the Buryats !? If it goes on like this, they will write: Uralets, Siberian, Pomeranian .........
  • knn54
    knn54 11 July 2013 13: 41 New
    +2
    Is it not too early to eliminate the disputes?
  • Alexanderlaskov
    Alexanderlaskov 11 July 2013 13: 46 New
    +1
    Quote: EGORKA
    Quote: Alexanderlaskov
    Quote: EGORKA
    If the Dagestanis and Caucasians in general are mostly sportsmen, then the Russians and others are mostly dead gamers, so what do you want?) That's why they are being fooled, and those who can stand up for themselves can’t cope with them, but they don’t protect their nerds, officers are inactive, and this picture turns out. And they don’t know how to get together in groups like Caucasians, mostly single-minded people, and therefore they bend. Well, some people have kopleks, so to speak, in front of the titular nation, bent down and it seems you feel better and cooler, took off the photo and friends respect it, etc.

    I agree. There is still a different mentality. Caucasians have their own ideas about society, Russians have their own. And it's not the gamers.

    and in them, too, to athletes who can resist poke their heads once and, having received change, will not climb. Yes, even if those "gamers" huddled together and fought back, they would not have climbed to them, but now the Russians do not have such a way to get together in a group and stand up for themselves, so one by one they are broken and then lined up. Those officers who allow this are not strictly punished.
    By the way, the punishment of those officers who allow the Russian Natsik could do this, this work is completely for them, if the state is inactive, let them monitor such cases, identify the guilty officers and explain to them that they are not right, that they are not fulfilling their duties and violate the oath .
    And I'm sure that there are Russian grandfathers who also do humiliation, but they have much less window dressing and bravado in this regard.


    I do not argue. Physical strength plays a role. And many gamers now can not boast of it. Much depends on this.
    But, here it is primarily a mentality. Since childhood, they instill animal concepts in childhood. And we have Russian everywhere asterisks aunts in kindergarten, school teach children.
  • STIMUS94
    STIMUS94 11 July 2013 13: 52 New
    0
    Pi * dec comrades! One must be so stupid to do this
  • hrych
    hrych 11 July 2013 13: 53 New
    +8
    Here the next cycle is coming, according to the redivision of the world, but unfortunately not all nations will survive after it, especially the endangered ones, the largest of which balances in its numbers one million individuals. Here Russians (not excluding small and white Russians) in the last great massacre lost tens of millions and nothing glory to the Almighty they meet the twenty-first century with the number of great Russians for 130 (more than 110 in Russia), small for 45 cartoons, and white Russians twice more than all North Caucasians combined. Although Stalin different vainakhs and vilify, but the guy sent them to the steppe for fattening, although usually, according to the laws of war, the accomplices of the occupiers are nullified. And those dirty tricks whose number relative to the Russians is equal to the statistical error, let them dance their lyzginka until the crooked clippers are torn off.
  • KG_patriot_last
    KG_patriot_last 11 July 2013 14: 06 New
    +2
    Many of these photos are lying on the network. I was always surprised.

    Cause? Mismatch of mentalities. For a Caucasian, honor is more than life; they gnaw a throat for a brother, if honor or morality is a question, then they will choose the first and fill up the crowd if necessary. Why? Because they are nobody outside their community, there will be no prospects, there will not be enough knowledge, they are withering alone. And in order not to be ordinary in their society, they need to stand out than that, it’s considered that if you spent it it’s cool, you beat someone even better, you didn’t beat a Caucasian, so it's all chic. Killed? Well, then there were reasons to do this, otherwise he would have died along with his honor, there is nothing more to lose.
    And to condemn such behavior is not very true, just a couple of centuries ago, even the now-pampered European took up arms. Now what? The communities have broken up, everyone is betting on a career, the army is just a duty, it’s the same as serving time, if there’s a fight, then the person doesn’t beat his neighbor or whom, if they want to write something on your back, it’s easier to let it happen than to speak, no one supports anyone. Moreover, the faces are not visible.
    That's the whole reason: the "Caucasian" got what they wanted, and the "victims" got theirs and the situation was resolved peacefully. Otherwise, there would be fights all over the country in all parts of 5 years, and the worldview of both sides would have changed: the "Caucasians" would be careful not to speak out too much, and the "victims" knew that if they would support him ...

    The army must be sent years in 15, for years 3. Forced to be taken from the family and especially from the mother. With the equation of the rights of women and men, and then with a soft look at the loneliness of women, they have an overwhelming effect on children. Years in 15 this must be stopped. In 15 years the boy is no longer studying. And in 18, the worldview is already settled. So his worldview is better to form in the army, in harsh conditions, in the community. And in 18 years, let him go to university already and study. 9-11 class extra hassle.

    This is my personal opinion.
    1. hrych
      hrych 11 July 2013 14: 37 New
      12
      The thesis about the great Caucasian honor is a great exaggeration, the last war has shown how they can crawl on all fours, praying for mercy, and this is a very true thesis to grumble in a crowd. There were two "botanists" R. Openheimer and K. Fuchs, who were killed at school, but they burned hundreds of thousands of Hiroshima and Nagasak residents, which most of the "saboteurs" never dreamed of. Millions of years before a man in an anthill and a beehive, there is a division into castes, and a society, who to move their brains, who to wave a sword, and who to clean the toilet. That is why it is a professional army, so that there are no random chelas, both these mattresses and this down, respectively. And the gaps in cerebral development from 15 to 18 years old are irreversible, from which it is an educational system and exists. It is unambiguously necessary to cultivate courage at school. Due to the effeminacy of the Europeans, also a superficial judgment, the Europeans of the Sabbath Libyans, Iraqis, Afghans and other riffraff bent cancer, and urinated on the corpses because the army is professional and there are selected killers, which we should strive for.
      1. Sergey_K
        Sergey_K 11 July 2013 18: 20 New
        +1
        I agree a lot. Especially about honor. They never had any "honor". Where does it come from?
  • grafrozow
    grafrozow 11 July 2013 14: 11 New
    +2
    A simple option, in 1978 he served in the GSVG, Air Defense. He fell on the lip in a tank regiment in Badlangelzaks, so the companies there were from one call and not any grandfathers and scoops. I mean that everything depends on the commander, how he served put, so be it.
  • andrei332809
    andrei332809 11 July 2013 14: 15 New
    +2
    I absolutely did not understand ... but to tear out the nostrils or pull out the eye? in my opinion, maybe
    1. grafrozow
      grafrozow 11 July 2013 14: 35 New
      +5
      For nzdryu or for the eye of you will make an extremist, nationalist, etc., etc. You can’t offend the Big Brother small nations. They have eaten it well and hate in full.
  • Vlad_Mir
    Vlad_Mir 11 July 2013 14: 22 New
    +2
    What is this cowardly? 5 people can’t stand up for themselves? Who and where raised them ?!
  • VadimSt
    VadimSt 11 July 2013 14: 23 New
    +2
    Punishment in the form of a rattle! The consequences of the policy pursued in recent years are a thin thread in relation to other nationalities and a thick club for Russians.
    1. andrei332809
      andrei332809 11 July 2013 14: 25 New
      +2
      Quote: VadimSt
      thick club for Russians.

      but just on the scoreboard?
  • Yeraz
    Yeraz 11 July 2013 14: 26 New
    +2
    The reaction of the members of the forum is surprising. Rare people were surprised that 2 build 16 and instead of condemning these 16 suckers who allow themselves to do so, Caucasians are condemned. But what for you are 16 spineless gophers, and these 2 as I know are a complete set of Valuev, Jackie Chan's agility and sledgehammer They don’t seem to have Klitschko. They took them at 16 and stupidly crushed them, well, I do not believe that all 16 dwarfs weigh at a minimum and could not cope with the 2nd.
    And one more note, it was amazing for me to see Buryat in this situation. it becomes contagious and now it, the fashion will go to Tatars, etc. ??
    1. hrych
      hrych 11 July 2013 15: 01 New
      11
      With these spineless gophers, we’ll somehow figure it out ourselves and society will determine them according to needs and abilities. And if a crazy-minded Caucasian opens his arms, it’s like a hero. Of these guys, soldiers will sooner turn out, than from this beast-laying man, because they are able to observe discipline and unity of command, which can be expressed in humility. In the army, not all cavalrymen, for some, drop bombs, for some, hang bombs on an airplane. I would have warned the Tatars to frighten the Russians, the Russians have proved a lot to someone over a thousand years, and the Germans were banged and not far away the Chechens and the Georgians were bent and still to come, the generation brought up in internationalism will squeeze and many hijab-headed wives of Dzhigits will cry with burning tears.
      1. Yeraz
        Yeraz 11 July 2013 16: 15 New
        +1
        Quote: hrych
        With these spineless ground squirrels, we’ll somehow figure it out ourselves

        Che is not very good.
        Quote: hrych
        And if a crazy-minded Caucasian opens his arms, it’s like a hero.

        And no one said that they are heroes. I would not be on these blockheads, which would not have done so with lowered hands.
        Quote: hrych
        In the army, not all cavalrymen, for some, drop bombs, for some, hang bombs on an airplane

        But there were many times more of them, they could crucify.
        Quote: hrych
        not far from Chechens with Georgians bent over with cancer

        Yes, be proud that Russia’s 145 millionth, much steeper armed, has bent millionth of Chechnya and 4 millionth of Georgia is a reason for pride.
        Quote: hrych
        the generation brought up in internationalism will squeeze out and many hijab-headed dzhigit wives will cry with burning tears.

        yeah
        1. hrych
          hrych 12 July 2013 08: 50 New
          +2
          The number of military formations that pacified Georgia did not exceed the number of formations of proud Georgians, the victory was won by skill and fighting spirit, no one forced the Georgians to flee from the battle by abandoning equipment and why they did not defend themselves in every house, as our peacekeepers did at first. Russia did not use strategic aviation, let alone its nuclear missile shield, and the equipment of the Georgians was better so that everything was "honorable". Dudayev's army was also very well organized and equipped, and the Russians had the main problem - Grachev and Kvashnin, whom the vegetable base cannot even be commanded, and again Russia did not use all its capabilities, and the army fought mainly barrel by barrel, where, in the end, again showed its superiority in discipline and organization, and the Dudayev army fell apart into gangs that could no longer conduct military operations, which decided the matter, and not the use of, for example, tactical nuclear and other means according to our current doctrine. And, the fact that there are more than 100 million Russians, and 100 times less Chechens must be blamed first on Prince Svyatoslav, who, with the number of all Slavic tribes that made up Russia in 2 million, slammed the North Caucasians, when their population exceeded the Slavs and later every year, up to before Ermolov, who cleaned up the North Caucasus and now it's too late, and the impudence and opposition to the Russians will again lead to a decrease in the number of wild individuals (the law of sociology), I hope to a greater extent by deportations and castrations.
    2. consul
      consul 11 July 2013 16: 11 New
      +1
      Understand, finally, if Russians treated all peoples like Caucasians, only Russians would live on the territory of Russia. And some of these guys whom you called "suckers" will, perhaps, someone to whom you or one of those "horsemen" "they will come to bow with some kind of request, perhaps on their knees (there are different problems in life). You look like blind-deaf people (you don't see where everything is going, and you only hear yourself).
      1. Yeraz
        Yeraz 11 July 2013 16: 21 New
        +4
        Quote: consul
        Understand, finally, if the Russians belonged to all nationalities as Caucasians on the territory of Russia, only Russians would live.

        You are mistaken if the Russians treated everyone like in the Caucasus, then everyone would have lived peacefully and it would never have crossed anyone’s head to drive their concepts on the original Russian lands.
        Quote: consul
        .And some of these guys whom you called "suckers" will become, perhaps, someone to whom you or one of those "horsemen" will come to bow with some kind of request, perhaps on their knees (there are different problems in life)

        It can be said about any person, also about these 2.
        Quote: consul
        You look like the deaf and blind (you don’t see where everything is going, and you only hear yourself).

        I just better understand what this is all about. And when I speak Russian, if your state doesn’t manage, put a knife in, don’t be afraid of prison.
        And the situation is such that the state does nothing, the Russians have become terpils (not all, but there are a lot of cases in the army), but the trick is that there are more Russians and when all the terpils come together in one place and go nuts and lose from this state -in the Russian Federation !!!
        1. consul
          consul 11 July 2013 20: 41 New
          +2
          Quote: Yeraz
          You are mistaken if the Russians treated everyone like in the Caucasus, then everyone would have lived peacefully and it would never have crossed anyone’s head to drive their concepts on the original Russian lands.


          Not at all. What happened to the Russian population in the Cossack lands now called "Chechnya" in the 90s?

          Quote: Yeraz
          It can be said about any person, also about these 2.


          In fact every now and then, we do not know the future, but "how it shouts, it will backfire." There is a saying about Caucasians (about those who came to teach us), they ask without politeness, they take it without gratitude.

          Quote: Yeraz
          I just better understand what this is all about. And when I speak Russian, if your state doesn’t manage, put a knife in, don’t be afraid of prison.
          And the situation is such that the state does nothing, the Russians have become terpils (not all, but there are a lot of cases in the army), but the trick is that there are more Russians and when all the terpils come together in one place and go nuts and lose from this state -in the Russian Federation !!!


          The fact of the matter is that you don't see, you and I have a different mentality. For us, murder is not an ordinary thing, but the taking of life (an invaluable person can be corrected after all), you urge not to be afraid to be a murderer (just listen to yourself, "put knife, do not be afraid of prison. 1 second. 3 will do so .. "). For us Russians, it is normal to kill, defending our Motherland, Fatherland, neighbors, and not indulging our instincts and vindictiveness, and right now people are beginning to see Caucasians as a threat Homeland, this is exactly what you do not see. As soon as the authorities cease to indulge you, there will at least be a complete emigration outside Russia (the best option). Do not even dream of "heroic resistance" in this case, there will be no pity for any of you (An "Afghan" friend told me how they destroyed the villages completely, with all the inhabitants). Believe me, I know what I'm talking about, I have to meet with many people, including the military. I would very much like the Caucasian people, and the Asian also (a newcomer) changed his mind and tried to at least understand the Russians, in if you have become (that is, become) ALIEN for us, and irreversibly. Legally, citizens of Russia, in fact, ALIEN, if not enemies. Sorry for being straightforward.
          1. Gooch
            Gooch 12 July 2013 09: 15 New
            +1
            Quote: consul
            The fact of the matter is that you don't see, you and I have a different mentality. For us, murder is not an ordinary thing, but the taking of life (an invaluable person can be corrected after all), you urge not to be afraid to be a murderer (just listen to yourself, "put knife, do not be afraid of prison. 1 second. 3 will do it .. ").

            When you live in a republic in which everyone in the bosom has PM and the taxi driver AK is sitting, you involuntarily think before you say something or cheat on someone on the street, in Russia the situation is directly proportional to another, the people here are like a slave who bleats before everyone from an early age, a teacher at school, in front of the cops on the street, in front of government officials, and in general to anyone who has the courage to demand anything from a Russian. This is not a mentality, this is not awareness of one’s significance, God created people, and Colonel Colt equalized their rights.

            Chechen pensioner shot the head of the Volgograd region
            According to investigators, at 16:30 on June 29, a 63-year-old man entered the official’s office and shot him five times with a Makarov pistol. After making sure that Krutov was dead, the pensioner went to the local unit of the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation, confessed to the murder and voluntarily surrendered his weapon.

            As it became known to the newspaper "All for you", the suspect is a native of Chechnya, Aslambek Vagapov, who has recently lived in the Svetloyarsk region. He stated that he decided to kill Krutov, since he had been extorting large sums of money from him for a long time.

            Now think about what you would do, in the place of this pensioner, you would probably collect the right amount of money, give it to the bureaucrat, and kiss him on the ring in addition?
          2. Yeraz
            Yeraz 12 July 2013 10: 21 New
            +1
            Quote: consul
            no oats. What happened to the Russian population in the Cossack lands, now called "Chechnya" in the 90s?

            Well, I'm sorry this is a wrong comparison. They ended up there by capturing Chechnya, and the Chechens just arrived in Pugachev.

            Quote: consul
            The fact of the matter is that you don’t see, we have a different mentality. For us, killing is not an ordinary matter, but the taking of life (a priceless person can be corrected after all)

            And for us, everyday and not taking life or something ???
            Quote: consul
            It’s normal for us Russians to kill while defending our Motherland, Fatherland, our neighbors,

            And to defend your honor and dignity when I am told by your mother, your relatives, how to put a sucker against the wall and write what you want on the wall is not a reason for murder ??? That is, honor and dignity are measured if you are facing a specific physical reprisal, and if it doesn’t threaten everything can be endured ??? That's why they relate to this, people with such concepts of life are unworthy of this life.
            In Baku everyone knows if you said something about the family, you’re already a corpse one hundred percent.
            Quote: consul
            As soon as the power ceases to indulge, complete emigration outside Russia will at least be (the best option).

            Yes, in what authority does I indulge ??? My family will help me, which is not financially and not deprived of ties, so in Russia I will avoid punishment, BUT this will also be avoided by any Russian who has grandmothers and connections. Everything rests on this, and not on a special one attitude to Caucasians, if there is no dough, then at least three times a Caucasian will rot in prison.
            Quote: consul
            Do not even dream of "heroic resistance" in this case, there will be no pity for any of you

            I know this very well and how we have conquered the Caucasus in fact, and not from the books of Russia, where everything is very beautifully described, BUT therefore I urge you to act, as I said, otherwise the results will be disastrous.
            Quote: consul
            I would very much like the Caucasian people, and the Asian people too (the newcomer) to change their minds and try to at least understand the Russians, because for us you have become (namely become) ALIEN,

            What to understand ?? You see, there are 2 types of people who are people without honor and dignity, who endure them to humiliate them, because they are not worthy of another.
            There are 2 types like me who will not scrub their hands on them. I have only 1 Russian friend and I formatted it. So to say, I summed it up to Caucasian standards.
            I can’t communicate with the majority of Russians of my generation, except as business, because these Western thinking and behaviors go wild.
            You succumbed to the influence of the West. Why did the Caucasians not behave like this in the cities of Russia ??? Now they have grown up a generation of squelks who get drunk and games and zero concepts of honor and dignity. There is such a small fraction of the norms and I know the benefit of such.
        2. hrych
          hrych 12 July 2013 09: 01 New
          +3
          This is the psychology of the environment of prisoners and patients with psychopathy, unfortunately to which the society of the North Caucasian peoples has slipped and this is aggravated every year. Now the Kremlin is trying to turn the tide, the Dargin godfather was locked up in a cell where he flounders in his own shit, but I’m afraid it won’t work out and intellectuals are unlikely to steer the North Caucasians, and this always ends badly for the people, and sometimes people can simply cease to exist if their numbers like Dargins or worse Laks.
    3. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 14 July 2013 00: 57 New
      0
      Quote: Yeraz
      The reaction of the members of the forum is surprising. Rare people were surprised that 2 build 16 and instead of condemning these 16 suckers who allow themselves to do so, Caucasians are condemned. But what for you are 16 spineless gophers, and these 2 as I know are a complete set of Valuev, Jackie Chan's agility and sledgehammer They don’t seem to have Klitschko. They took them at 16 and stupidly crushed them, well, I do not believe that all 16 dwarfs weigh at a minimum and could not cope with the 2nd.
      And one more note, it was amazing for me to see Buryat in this situation. it becomes contagious and now it, the fashion will go to Tatars, etc. ??

      I completely agree. In Russia it is already customary that several foreigners can "build" everyone in the barracks. In Kazakhstan, no one would even dream of such a topic. Any foreigner who only tries to show his superiority over others (not necessarily over the titular nation, but also over other Kazakhstanis) will instantly be torn off eggs. And if a Kazakh tries to humiliate someone on a national basis, he will also get it in the neck - both from non-Kazakh Kazakhs and from his own Kazakhs.
      And what I want to emphasize is that the Kazakh Slavs are still very different from their counterparts from Russia. You will bend our Russians, their self-respect is developed to a normal degree. We have never had cases when “Dagestan”, “Russia” was written on the backs of Kazakhs, and there were no cases when “Kazakh”, “Argyn”, “Naiman” were written on the backs of Slavs. Such an event would shock the entire country. Everyone fights, of course, but not on national grounds. With this we are strict - not only according to the law, but also according to "concepts."
      By the way, I hope that the concept of "tolerance" has not turned into a dirty word in Azerbaijan as in Russia? I am very surprised by Russian words like "tolerast". In Kazakhstan, the phrase "we are tolerant people" is spoken with emphasized pride. This word has no negative meaning at all. And in neighboring Russia - it's just a dirty word.

      It’s also amazing for me to see the Buryats in this ugly story. All this is somehow uncharacteristic for the Buryats. They, kanesh, are still brawlers, but usually they do not reach senility.
      1. Gooch
        Gooch 14 July 2013 07: 15 New
        +1
        Quote: Marek Rozny
        It’s also amazing for me to see the Buryats in this ugly story. All this is somehow uncharacteristic for the Buryats. They, kanesh, are still brawlers, but usually they do not reach senility.

        I am a Dagestan, born in Buryatia, I communicate with Buryats perfectly, as it is not strange, but according to nat. it is the Russians who begin to share the sign, Buryat in Buryatia is already an insulting word, this is where the conflicts begin, a lot of guys who are going to study in Irkutsk are faced with a negative attitude towards the nat. sign on the street, often comes to fights, in general, before looking for a reason in the Dagestanis, Buryats, Tuvans, it would not be bad to look at yourself
  • individual
    individual 11 July 2013 14: 31 New
    +8
    The animals awaken the Russian bear.
    Patience has a limit ...
    1. grafrozow
      grafrozow 11 July 2013 15: 22 New
      +5
      They are waiting for the whole of RUSSIA to become Kondapoga for them. Donkeys don’t understand that kindness is not weakness.
      1. Marek Rozny
        Marek Rozny 16 July 2013 10: 42 New
        0
        Quote: grafrozow
        Donkeys don’t understand that kindness is not weakness.

        admins act cool, for the phrases "throwing poop" and "balabolka" (in relation to an outright liar) they give me bans. And here you can calmly insult on the national basis - "animals", "donkeys". Is this normal for admins?
        Is it possible to ask the administration to write down which nationalities can be insulted and which can not? And then I understand that if I call the Russians "animals" and "donkeys", then I will get, essno, a well-deserved ban. But these words are not prohibited on the site for non-Russians. Please state the entire list of permissible insults bearing the national color.
        1. FRIGATE2
          FRIGATE2 17 July 2013 07: 41 New
          +1
          Quote: Marek Rozny
          admins act cool, for the phrases "throwing poop" and "balabolka" (in relation to an outright liar) they give me bans. And here you can calmly insult on the national basis - "animals", "donkeys". Is this normal for admins?
          Is it possible to ask the administration to write down which nationalities can be insulted and which can not? And then I understand that if I call the Russians "animals" and "donkeys", then I will get, essno, a well-deserved ban. But these words are not prohibited on the site for non-Russians. Please state the entire list of permissible insults bearing the national color.

          Yesterday, the administrator called Vadiak the Internet term - a hamster, for this he sent me two messages.
          And the fact that he calls everyone Geyropa is normal. Well, if it were adequate, but the term hamster as accurately as possible describes it, deserved
  • EGORKA
    EGORKA 11 July 2013 14: 32 New
    +1
    Quote: Alexanderlaskov
    Quote: EGORKA
    Quote: Alexanderlaskov
    Quote: EGORKA
    If the Dagestanis and Caucasians in general are mostly sportsmen, then the Russians and others are mostly dead gamers, so what do you want?) That's why they are being fooled, and those who can stand up for themselves can’t cope with them, but they don’t protect their nerds, officers are inactive, and this picture turns out. And they don’t know how to get together in groups like Caucasians, mostly single-minded people, and therefore they bend. Well, some people have kopleks, so to speak, in front of the titular nation, bent down and it seems you feel better and cooler, took off the photo and friends respect it, etc.

    I agree. There is still a different mentality. Caucasians have their own ideas about society, Russians have their own. And it's not the gamers.

    and in them, too, to athletes who can resist poke their heads once and, having received change, will not climb. Yes, even if those "gamers" huddled together and fought back, they would not have climbed to them, but now the Russians do not have such a way to get together in a group and stand up for themselves, so one by one they are broken and then lined up. Those officers who allow this are not strictly punished.
    By the way, the punishment of those officers who allow the Russian Natsik could do this, this work is completely for them, if the state is inactive, let them monitor such cases, identify the guilty officers and explain to them that they are not right, that they are not fulfilling their duties and violate the oath .
    And I'm sure that there are Russian grandfathers who also do humiliation, but they have much less window dressing and bravado in this regard.


    I do not argue. Physical strength plays a role. And many gamers now can not boast of it. Much depends on this.
    But, here it is primarily a mentality. Since childhood, they instill animal concepts in childhood. And we have Russian everywhere asterisks aunts in kindergarten, school teach children.

    Alas, this is so in general.
  • Alexandr73
    Alexandr73 11 July 2013 14: 34 New
    21
    I served 1991-1993 at the construction battalion. We had about 40 Dagestanis in the company, about the same number of Russians, and a little bit more others. and all the Slavs were from one call (young) Dagestanis served already around the year. Officers and ensign, if they were in the unit, they were almost always under the fly and they generally spit what was happening there. So, it all depends on how you put yourself. Caucasians respect only strength and strong (spirit), and not only physically respect. They raised me on the second night and wanted to make me wash a point in the toilet. summarizing, they carried me to the medical unit in my arms, along with one Dagestan (he really was walking), I only broke his head. I said that I fell from the stairs, but I did not stand and did not wait for how they would dig me. Moreover, I fought not only with my fists but with a taboo, until they knocked me down, and the Slavs lay in beds and pretended to be sleeping. so after that not a single Dagestan touched me, they brought me cigarettes to the medical unit, and the Slavs did not come even though 6 people were from the same city. then out of the 40 people in our call, about 20 people washed their footcloths. So the point is not in the Caucasians, but in us Russians. They act with a person as he allows him to do with himself.
    1. Lakkuchu
      Lakkuchu 11 July 2013 21: 27 New
      +2
      Alexandr73, your story is very revealing. You behaved courageously and with dignity in this situation, the Dagestanis respect such people, hence this attitude on their part.
  • Fox
    Fox 11 July 2013 14: 35 New
    +1
    I served in the SA, it wasn’t ... the tribe came, I asked about bullying. he said so, got into it, gave it a nibble ... and that's all. hazing was over. he served in the military intelligence in Transbaikalia. -Russian, but not Russian.
  • ksan
    ksan 11 July 2013 14: 37 New
    +2
    Quote: Apologet.Ru
    hi
    It's high time to introduce a special subject "On the national pride of the Great Russians" ...

    I completely agree, the Slavs are to blame, the upbringing of pride and self-esteem is 0. I served in the USSR and in the company more than half were from "fraternal republics" and "Caucasians" as well. But I can't even imagine this winked Although even then they had more than enough "greyhound" and ambition. It's just that the Slavs had their own pride. And this is - 2 dags are building 16 Slavs - nonsense. am
  • Bashkaus
    Bashkaus 11 July 2013 14: 37 New
    +6
    A person either allows himself to be mocked or does not. Yes, of course, there are certain relationships, subordination and rules of conduct in the army, jokes, jokes, orders, etc. But to publish frankly ... Who prevented these guys from standing up for themselves in the end, let wall to wall, honor must be defended even if after you end up in a konave spitting blood. In the end, I would not strictly judge a desperate Russian guy who did not endure the bullying of the Dagestanis or anyone else from the Caucasus, if he would shoot them crazy or cut their throats with a knife. Of course, you will have to serve a couple of years, but if the "brothers" from the mountains understand only such a language, then we must treat them condescendingly and sometimes explain clearly.
    After all, if they cannot fend for themselves, how will they stand for their mothers? No offense said
  • Lopatov
    Lopatov 11 July 2013 14: 39 New
    +1
    As a result, the court appointed Taiga Bahmudov a punishment in the form of 2 6 years of years with serving in a penal colony. Jargal Dondupov was sentenced to 1 and 6 months of imprisonment with a probation of one and a half years.

    Why so strict?
  • anatoliy.colonel
    anatoliy.colonel 11 July 2013 14: 59 New
    +3
    There are no Russians, or rather Slavs, there is really a herd of sheep over which every Muslim must and must scoff. It is a shame when five Christians cannot resist this illiterate abrek and it is not necessary to write that then the Slavs will resist. Look what is happening in Moscow, St. Petersburg and throughout Russia, Crimea is also not far away. One Old Man is in order in this matter !!! And the Chukchi are right that they have already got to the deputies, though they beat them from the wrong party, why beat the "clowns" who mean nothing in the Duma, they must beat the deputies from the ruling party to think about which laws they did not adopt and which ones to adopt in the future, and then tolerance tolerance, and. etc., ... it is necessary to wet even in the toilet, how cleverly it was said and how we, our fathers and grandfathers did ..
    1. MG42
      MG42 11 July 2013 15: 05 New
      +2
      Quote: anatoliy.colonel
      It is a shame when five Christian people cannot repulse this illiterate abrek and do not have to write that later the Slavs will repulse.

      Such photos are taken quite wrong, there is something that did not fit into the frame, one photo has a mirror in the background, the faces of those who are behind the photographer are reflected there ..
      1. MG42
        MG42 12 July 2013 00: 38 New
        +2
        Sample photo >>> 8 soldiers "lined up" according to the number of letters in "Dagestan", three are reflected in the mirror, who is not in the frame, one is posing, one is taking pictures of a total of five ..
        1. Hleb
          Hleb 12 July 2013 01: 35 New
          +1
          yes, in fact, it’s no worse than punching plywood or breathing bleach. but it has been done all the time before. Russians are over Russians. so you boil only because of nationality. we’ve always been kidding about elephants
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 12 July 2013 01: 46 New
            +2
            Quote: Gleb
            yes, in fact, it’s no worse than punching plywood or breathing bleach. but it has been done all the time before. Russians are over Russians. so you boil only because of nationality. we’ve always been kidding about elephants

            I understand what you want to say!
            But I will tell you that I am disgusted to look at it !!!
            1. Hleb
              Hleb 12 July 2013 01: 52 New
              0
              put this in a row with your finger and write it out to everyone
              (above in the video "Brother" similarly)
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay 12 July 2013 01: 56 New
                +2
                Quote: Gleb
                put this in a row with your finger and write it out to everyone

                And even better to humiliate him in the same way! If I were a commander there, I would draw a map of the world on his head !!!!!!!!
                1. Hleb
                  Hleb 12 July 2013 02: 00 New
                  0
                  Better yet, humiliate him as well!
                  monsieur you are a "gourmet" like me)
                  1. Yarbay
                    Yarbay 12 July 2013 02: 07 New
                    0
                    Quote: Gleb
                    monsieur you are a "gourmet" like me)

                    Then he broke people and the most rightful punishment, and also break it, but not everyone can!
                    It needs a special approach and time!
            2. MG42
              MG42 12 July 2013 01: 55 New
              +3
              Quote: Yarbay
              But I’ll tell you that I am disgusted to look at it!

              An Azerbaijani soldier humiliated his colleagues by writing the name of his hometown on their backs with shaving foam.

              The photos of one of the Azerbaijani military personnel posted by him on his profile on the Facebook social network caused numerous discussions, 1news reports.

              Note that a user registered under the name of Ulvi Namazly posted photos on Facebook on which he humiliates five colleagues.

              The photo captures the moment where the word "Ganja" is written on the backs of soldiers with shaving foam.

              Whether this photograph is original remains to be seen by the appropriate authorities. However, with almost complete certainty, it can be argued that the user profile is real.

              In a correspondence with his friends in one of his Facebook posts, Ulvi Namazly discusses the possibility of friends visiting his unit and notes that he should not visit him, as he will visit Ganja in the near future.

              “It takes 2-3 hours to get here from Ganja, this is an extra expense. You don’t have to go, ”says his entry, to which one of his friends named Farid replies that you can come, because“ Beylagan is not so far. ” At the same time, it is not noted in which part the Namazly served.

              Note that after the beginning of numerous discussions on Facebook, U. Namazly, who published the photo, deleted his profile from the social network. Currently, the instigator profile of numerous discussions is not available.

              However, the “screenshots” of the profile have been preserved and are available for viewing below.

              http://sehife.az/socium/3634-dedovschina-v-vs-azerbaydzhana-fotofakt.html
              1. Hleb
                Hleb 12 July 2013 02: 03 New
                +2
                also all the horsemen in a row and a stool)
                1. MG42
                  MG42 12 July 2013 02: 10 New
                  +4
                  Quote: Gleb
                  also all the horsemen in a row and a stool)

                  It’s close in spirit to cross the ridge, a bad example is contagious ..
                  1. Hleb
                    Hleb 12 July 2013 02: 25 New
                    +2
                    I was thinking about it today. I mean, if you create your own military area for the Dag ("writers" I mean), then they will start writing to each other
                    1. Yarbay
                      Yarbay 12 July 2013 02: 28 New
                      +3
                      Quote: Gleb
                      I’m thinking about this today. In the sense, if you create your own military range for the Dugs, they will begin to write to each other

                      I think it is impossible!
                      There are many nationalities and for their weak harness the strong to not look like a fortress!
                      I remember my senior comrade told me about the Soviet era, that there was a Chechen who was terrorizing the entire regiment and could not do anything with him !!
                      And they say one day a regiment came for him and drove somewhere, there he asked him that you say that Chechens never clean up after others, but the Chechens sweep the parade ground !! He did not believe that he asked the soldier in Chechen, having received an answer I got into the car and from that day did not touch anyone else and did not interfere in anything !!
                      1. Hleb
                        Hleb 12 July 2013 02: 33 New
                        0
                        Well, someone needs to be written) as without this
                        I think it is impossible!
                        Well, that's how the sagas about the impeccability of Caucasians appear))
                      2. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 12 July 2013 02: 37 New
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                        Quote: Gleb
                        Well, someone needs to be written) as without this

                        Maybe you're right!!)))))))))
                        m l I would have written in school)))))))))
                      3. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 12 July 2013 02: 47 New
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                        Quote: Gleb
                        Well, that's how the sagas about the impeccability of Caucasians appear))

                        I remember when I was still in school, back in Soviet times)))
                        In general, in the courtyard, whoever came from the army told how he kept the whole part in reinforced gloves)))))
                        I couldn’t believe it, because among them there were such that, to put it mildly, I wouldn’t have gone out next to the reconnaissance on the street)))) and I’m asking them how it could be that all of you heroes were there, very offended strong))))
                    2. Hleb
                      Hleb 12 July 2013 02: 41 New
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                      how much I communicated with Chechens, it was much easier to specifically resolve a problem with them than, say, with many Dagestanis (Nagayts, Kumyks ...) they did not bother, did not smile, while deceiving. as a rule they immediately said yes or no
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  • Yarbay
    Yarbay 12 July 2013 00: 41 New
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    Quote: anatoliy.colonel
    every Muslim must and must mock.

    Every non-Muslim !!
    A Muslim will not allow himself such a thing!
    1. Hleb
      Hleb 12 July 2013 02: 07 New
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      Alibek, I have a feeling that there are too many non-Muslims in the world.
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 12 July 2013 02: 13 New
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        Quote: Gleb
        Alibek, I have a feeling that there are too many non-Muslims in the world.

        You know Gleb, but your feelings do not deceive you!
        These are excerpts from the Qur'an!

        وَقَلِيلٌ مِّنْ عِبَادِيَ الشَّكُورُ
        “And few of my servants are grateful.” [2]
        وَمَا آمَنَ مَعَهُ إِلاَّ قَلِيلٌ
        “But they did not believe with him, except for a few.” [3]
        وَلاَ تَجِدُ أَكْثَرَهُمْ شَاكِرِينَ
        “You will not find most of them grateful.” [4]
        وَإِن تُطِعْ أَكْثَرَ مَن فِي الأَرْضِ يُضِلُّوكَ عَن سَبِيلِ اللّهِ
        “If you obey the majority of those on earth, they will lead you astray from the path of Allah.” [5]
        وَلَـكِنَّ أَكْثَرَ النَّاسِ لاَ يَشْكُرُونَ
        “But most of the people are not thankful.” [6]
        وَلَـكِنَّ أَكْثَرَهُمْ لاَ يَعْلَمُونَ
        “But most of them do not know” [7].
        وَلَـكِنَّ أَكْثَرَ النَّاسِ لاَ يُؤْمِنُونَ
        “But most of the people do not believe.” [8]
        1. Hleb
          Hleb 12 July 2013 02: 16 New
          +1
          By the way ... Alibek already had a bite today? Smoked?
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 12 July 2013 02: 17 New
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            Quote: Gleb
            By the way ... Alibek already had a bite today? Smoked?

            Yes, of course))) and now I smoke, although I can’t)))))
            but I can’t quit, the will is not enough!
            1. Hleb
              Hleb 12 July 2013 02: 23 New
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              no one is allowed))