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Sevastopol authorities are offended because of the repair of ships of the Black Sea Fleet of Russia in Bulgaria

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Sevastopol authorities are offended because of the repair of ships of the Black Sea Fleet of Russia in BulgariaThe chairman of the Sevastopol City Council, Yuri Doinikov, expressed regret over the current practice of repairing ships of the Black Sea fleet Russia in NATO countries.


“It is difficult for me to comment on the decisions of the Russian Federation, the naval leadership. The leadership of the city council and state administration has been repeated several times: historically, if there is a base, it cannot be maintained without a repair component, ”Doinikov said, reports“ New Region 2 ”.

According to Doinikov, the established practice of repairing the Black Sea Fleet ships in the NATO countries is "incomprehensible and a little offensive."

“It is possible that it plays its part that there are pricing requirements for VAT. But we are interested in our ship repair enterprises being loaded with orders, including from the Black Sea Fleet, ”Doinikov stressed.

Recall that earlier the City Council of Sevastopol called on the governments of Ukraine and Russia to agree on the resumption of repair and modernization of the Black Sea Fleet ships at the Sevmorzavod.

The last time the Black Sea Fleet ship was repaired in Sevastopol in 2003. It was the cruiser "Moscow". However, then ships of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation were sent for repairs to Bulgaria.

Strategic investor of the Sevmorzavod Petro Poroshenko recently held talks in Moscow with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov and State Duma Speaker Sergei Naryshkin.

“Explain to me when we are upgrading the projects of the Russian Black Sea Fleet ships based in Sevastopol, we are not deploying at the Sevastopol factories where Russian citizens work, by the way, we are sending for modernization and repair to NATO countries - to Bulgaria, Romania. How do we explain this? Very often, decisions made in this way simply discredit the very idea of ​​our cooperation, ”he said.

“The reaction was. They wrote down, said “we will figure it out” and “we believe that this is wrong,” said Poroshenko said the outcome of the negotiations.

Poroshenko became a strategic investor at the end of the Sevmorzavod 2010 year. The shareholder fully repaid the old debts of the enterprise. Over the past four years, Sevmorzavod increased production seven times, sales volume - more than 5,5 times, from 11 to 61 million hryvnia, or 246 million rubles.
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  1. experienced
    experienced 11 July 2013 10: 21 New
    10
    Bugaga, and how much can you mock Russia on the Black Sea Fleet on gas ...? Return went hi
    Well, “offended” with us is ... wassat
    1. dustycat
      dustycat 11 July 2013 10: 52 New
      +8
      But it doesn’t come to mind that it’s a shame for people for a power?
      1. Misantrop
        Misantrop 11 July 2013 11: 54 New
        +6
        Quote: dustycat
        doesn’t come to mind that it’s a shame for people for a power?

        Is this Poroshenko? For power? belay He was offended that the Russian Federation did not want to buy the shares of Sevmorzavod, as he proposed. I don’t know how and what he invested in there, but the current repair capabilities of this plant, alas, are not impressive. And before, let's say, they didn’t hit ... They only had a good dock, so they shoved it separately into sublease. And without a dock, why the hell? If the Zaporozhye wasn’t pulled in for repair, what about larger ships? And for the number of ships that are now available at the Black Sea Fleet, the capabilities of the 13th plant are quite enough
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 11 July 2013 11: 48 New
      +7
      Quote: seasoned
      Bugaga, and how much can you mock Russia on the Black Sea Fleet on gas ...? Return went

      Lech, this government is stirring up water, but the Sevastopol residents themselves are much closer to Russia. Than anyone. It’s worthless. That there are such problems, it may affect the future.
      1. experienced
        experienced 11 July 2013 15: 46 New
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Yes, this government is stirring up water, but the Sevastopol residents themselves are much closer to Russia. than anyone. Sucks. That there are such problems in the future may affect.

        Yes, all this is 100% FOR YOU AND YOUR COMMENT, Sash Sevastopol was Russian and will remain RUSSIAN !!!
        And WHICH CHUVYRLA BEFORE THIS WAS NOT POSSIBLE, THIS IS ITS PROBLEMS // !!!!!!!!!!!!!
        I do not like caps and exclamations, but used hi
    3. My doctor
      My doctor 11 July 2013 20: 06 New
      -2
      Experienced, but you yourself were in SEVASTOPOL? I bet you're not experienced at all.
      In the name of this city, all letters are uppercase.
  2. King
    King 11 July 2013 10: 32 New
    -7
    as the Russian proverb says - On offended X .. put. Nenad Russia’s brain to make a ro base in Sevastopol, etc.
    1. Fetel
      Fetel 11 July 2013 10: 46 New
      29
      There is Ukraine with its cunning authorities, and there is the openly pro-Russian city of Sevastopol, which only lives from the Black Sea Fleet. Why set up against your loyal allies, residents of the Russian, hundredth, city?
      1. Nicholas C.
        Nicholas C. 11 July 2013 11: 01 New
        +9
        Quote: FeteL
        there is an openly pro-Russian city of Sevastopol, which only lives from the Black Sea Fleet.

        Sevastopol is pro-Russian. And the owner of Poroshenko Sevmorzavod - anti-Russian - is an active supporter of Ukraine’s joining NATO, the EU, etc. He would get the lion's share. Why feed him? Moreover, he kicked the Russian co-investor from the factory. Which, however, does not prevent Poroshenko from having his car business somewhere near Nizhny Novgorod. And Sevmorzavod now lies. For whom to raise it? For the enemy of Russia?
        1. Very old
          Very old 11 July 2013 11: 24 New
          +1
          But I am more concerned with the fate of the people. Well, what kind of repair will be given in Romania? What, then again look for the extreme? In the city of Russian Glory, classy specialists not in the first generation live and work. All powders come and disappear without a trace, we also have enough of them. In the words of my unloved Luzhkov, he is our Sevastopol, dare ...
    2. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 11 July 2013 11: 17 New
      +2
      Quote: King
      as the Russian proverb says

      And for those Russians who work at the ship repair plant, too, one must act according to a proverb? And then we are surprised why Sevastopol residents renounce Russian citizenship? Sorry, but I also disagree with you.
      1. King
        King 11 July 2013 12: 03 New
        0
        And what about citizenship? this is the trouble of the Russian people that they are trying to immediately think and help everyone. and in difficult times he finds himself alone with his misfortune. they themselves destroyed the USSR and chose commodity-market relations, so we are looking for where they have fallen in price. and if the benevolent people of Sevastopol want to get contracts here, advice - choose pro-Russian power and smarter. It is possible that the contract for the repair of ships with Bulgaria is a fee for the southern stream.
        1. Sinbad
          Sinbad 11 July 2013 12: 39 New
          +1
          Sorry, I pressed the wrong button. But in fact, I agree.
        2. Captain Vrungel
          Captain Vrungel 11 July 2013 20: 40 New
          +2
          SW King! Tell me the recipe, how to choose pro-Russian power and smarter?
          Once, V.V. Putin three times congratulated Yanukovych ahead of time on his election as president, made a mistake, crawled Yushenko. Now Yanukovych, another mistake. We will not hide. The stake of Russia was placed on him, but, ....
          And a lot depends on you with us? Never mind. The world is ruled by capital, big capital and vulgar pennies, what we call democratic principles and democratic values. What's wrong? Try to get into the deputies of the lowest level without money in a shady, democratic way and you will understand that the rich have come up with democracy for money in order to make money. Show at least one state where at least one candidate without a personal bank account is in power democratically.
          Unfortunately, little depends on us. It’s not us, they are celestials in power, they bred and bring us down, they throw us into a fight or make peace. We for them are easily managed biomass to achieve their interests and goals. An example is the passage of a motorcade of motorists. All stand together in a protracted traffic jam. They and we will never be "man to man friend, comrade and brother." Above us sparkles "To each his own."
  3. saturn.mmm
    saturn.mmm 11 July 2013 10: 32 New
    12
    Probably someone has a share in Varna.
    1. dustycat
      dustycat 11 July 2013 11: 04 New
      +4
      Most likely, the one who pushed or appointed Serdyukov to the post.
      1. Very old
        Very old 11 July 2013 11: 25 New
        0
        It is possible, Michael. Is the quality of repair in our time in 1st place?
        1. Very old
          Very old 11 July 2013 20: 27 New
          0
          Chief Military Prosecutor: "Minister of Defense S. Shoigu has previously acknowledged that the outsourcing system created did not live up to expectations, primarily in terms of repair and maintenance of weapons and military equipment." Read the Prosecutor’s full statement on the Third World War website. Add to the statement there is nothing for the prosecutor - they pulled out 4,4 billion
  4. ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 11 July 2013 10: 35 New
    +6
    “Explain to me when we do not place the projects for modernizing the ships of the Russian Black Sea Fleet, based in Sevastopol, at the Sevastopol factories where Russian citizens work, by the way, but we send them for modernization and repair to NATO countries - to Bulgaria, Romania.

    And what, in Russia there are not enough people, there is no unemployment? Yes, and these NATs can stuff the Black Sea Fleet ships with anything and if necessary, use as intended ... I do not understand!
    1. domokl
      domokl 11 July 2013 10: 40 New
      +3
      [quote = ia-ai00] And what, in Russia there are not enough people, there is no unemployment [/ quot
      We have everything. Only factories and shipyards are loaded under the most I can’t. And there’s no reason to hire anyone. And on the matter of stuffing ... Not weapons and electronics are being repaired. Mechanics, hulls, etc. are being repaired.
      1. ia-ai00
        ia-ai00 11 July 2013 11: 09 New
        +2
        But nothing can be “sewn” into the ship’s sheathing, and “put” a part into the mechanics of any defective or not from that metal part. also impossible? Still, these are military vessels, and cheaply is hardly always justified.
      2. Very old
        Very old 11 July 2013 11: 30 New
        0
        Alexander, remember the "Kingston" story - after repair
  5. domokl
    domokl 11 July 2013 10: 36 New
    +5
    Nothing personal. We can be repaired where it is cheaper. And if Sevastopol repair plants need orders from Russia, then the price should be appropriate with the same quality of order fulfillment. Translating purely economic issues into the political plane is not grateful. Ukraine has already tried to put such pressure on Russia.
    1. Very old
      Very old 11 July 2013 11: 34 New
      +1
      Alexander, I can’t agree with you, “because these are our people, they will help us” Personally, I spit on powder, but not on the quality of the repair. Well, what Romanians are there, Bulgarians
      1. Misantrop
        Misantrop 11 July 2013 11: 59 New
        +3
        Quote: Old very
        Personally, I spit on the powder, but not on the quality of the repair.

        What is the point, in the current state, and even without a dock, to ensure QUALITY is unlikely to succeed, alas request And to plant money, and then remodel there in Sevastopol at the 13th plant? Labor must be paid, but labor must be. And the result of labor is non-zero
  6. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 11 July 2013 10: 37 New
    13
    So there was infa that the Bulgarians repair for debts, tobish for almost free. And if so, then it is more profitable for Russia. And Romanians also have to ..?
    1. skrgar
      skrgar 11 July 2013 10: 54 New
      +4
      Quote: Thunderbolt
      So there was infa that the Bulgarians repair for debts, tobish for almost free. And if so, then it is more profitable for Russia. And Romanians also have to ..?

      So then it can be so .. and it can be so right. But it’s not right, they must be repaired in Sevastopol, and even if there are few citizens of the Russian Federation working there… and even if the Ukrainian "oligarch" steers (he will have an interest in working with RF) .In general, here is our "cant", of Russia, and not of Ukraine .. Enough is already "butting" .. Money must remain in Sevastopol, and the employment of people .. And the Bulgarians .. yes they went traitors !!
      1. Garrin
        Garrin 11 July 2013 11: 03 New
        +8
        Quote: skrgar
        . In general, here is our "cant", of Russia, and not of Ukraine .. Enough is already "butting" ..

        I think this is not a matter of "butt".
        - Firstly. Agree with Thunderbolt. If there are dog workers, then you need to recover debts by any means.
        - Secondly. Could they make a quality repair? Not just like that, just below, I mentioned Zaporizhzhya.
      2. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 11 July 2013 11: 05 New
        +3
        Quote: skrgar
        .A Bulgarians .. yes they went traitors !!
        No, let them work out laughing And so, sailors or the Sevastopol residents themselves must answer: is it good or bad. soldier
      3. escobar
        escobar 11 July 2013 12: 14 New
        +1
        Quote: skrgar
        So then it can be so .. and it can be so right. But it’s not right, they must be repaired in Sevastopol, and even if there are few citizens of the Russian Federation working there… and even if the Ukrainian "oligarch" steers (he will have an interest in working with RF) .In general, here is our "cant", of Russia, and not of Ukraine .. Enough is already "butting" .. Money must remain in Sevastopol, and the employment of people .. And the Bulgarians .. yes they went traitors !!

        I completely agree with such a balanced opinion. In my opinion, this is the best vision of the situation for our countries and the specific situation. And those here are trying to impose hu @ mi on us-flawed people.
    2. MG42
      MG42 11 July 2013 12: 57 New
      +5
      Quote: Thunderbolt
      So there was infa that the Bulgarians repair for debts, tobish for almost free. And if so, then it is more profitable for Russia

      Well, even if so .. only this is a momentary benefit, and the rulers do not see beyond their noses, since Bulgaria = this is only a business <partner> Bulgaria joined NATO on March 29, 2004, and now is not a comrade for the Russian Federation. ABM and NATO are getting closer to the Russian Federation .. Punishing Ukrainian Svidomo for stubbornness, pro-Russian citizens also fall under the whip .. the owner is the master ..
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 11 July 2013 13: 14 New
        +2
        Quote: MG42
        .only this is a momentary gain
        Who argues, everything should be at home request But, as the distinguished Misanthrope has already explained, in order to repair warships at home factories in a high-quality manner, you need to invest, create conditions (no dock). This gives you the opportunity to repair cheaper in a NATO country due to paying off debts. momentary gain and the whole business works this way, if it is of course pure business and state interests are not taken into account much.
        1. MG42
          MG42 11 July 2013 13: 20 New
          +3
          Quote: Thunderbolt
          So it turns out to be a momentary benefit and the whole business works like that, if it is of course pure business and government interests are not taken into account.

          That’s the problem that drives in Ukraine and now I’m convinced that pure business in Russia is also ..
          1. skrgar
            skrgar 11 July 2013 16: 51 New
            +1
            Quote: MG42
            Quote: Thunderbolt
            So it turns out to be a momentary benefit and the whole business works like that, if it is of course pure business and government interests are not taken into account.

            That’s the problem that drives in Ukraine and now I’m convinced that pure business in Russia is also ..

            Yes, wait a second, it’s quite possible that Serdyuk and Vasilisa signed an agreement with the Bulgarians .. (they have to fulfill it) .. Let’s wait, Rogozin can voice this “cant”
            1. MG42
              MG42 11 July 2013 20: 30 New
              +2
              Quote: skrgar
              Yes, wait a second, it’s quite possible that Serdyuk and Vasilisa signed an agreement with the Bulgarians ..

              No offense. I was reminded of our Prime Minister Azarov <ferns are to blame for everything!> smile = previous authorities ..
  7. mmmakm
    mmmakm 11 July 2013 10: 43 New
    +3
    I was always amazed at puffiness, pathological envy and idiocy ov. There will be soon Sevastopol. What is the pace of building a base in Novorossiysk.
    1. domokl
      domokl 11 July 2013 10: 48 New
      12
      Construction is construction, but Sevastopol is an ideal bay. We will leave, they will come
      1. Simon
        Simon 11 July 2013 11: 47 New
        +1
        The bay will not help them, when ours will be nearby in Novorossiysk.
        1. MG42
          MG42 11 July 2013 12: 44 New
          +3
          Quote: Simon
          The bay will not help them, when ours will be nearby in Novorossiysk.

          Oh well, compared, in Sevastopol, the geography for the fleet is much more profitable and the terrain for the base, the cruiser <Moscow> will be able to base in Novorossiysk?
    2. itkul
      itkul 11 July 2013 10: 49 New
      +2
      Quote: mmmakm
      I was always amazed at puffiness, pathological envy


      That's right, I immediately remembered the phrase from the cartoon about Prostokvashino, “How greedy people are to someone else’s good”
    3. Very old
      Very old 11 July 2013 11: 38 New
      +2
      Sevastopol is OUR, and always will be. Whatever happened in the future (soon or distant), Sevastopol is not only history, memory, but much more
      1. King
        King 11 July 2013 12: 07 New
        0
        Oh, in vain Crimea was given, it is necessary to buy it back.
        1. Thunderbolt
          Thunderbolt 11 July 2013 12: 57 New
          +1
          Quote: domokl
          Sevastopol is the perfect bay
          The very location of Crimea and Sevastopol in the Black Sea is unique and offers many advantages. I was there hi , maybe those who live there and do not feel it keenly (their city, affairs, concerns), but I immediately felt a special energy. The sieges did not pass without a trace, traces remained.
  8. 23424636
    23424636 11 July 2013 10: 48 New
    +1
    a simple solution - sell the plant ock or the like - do not stint.
  9. Garrin
    Garrin 11 July 2013 10: 49 New
    +4
    According to Doinikov, the established practice of repairing the Black Sea Fleet ships in the NATO countries is "incomprehensible and a little offensive."

    And they are not offended that the only submarine in Ukraine was repaired at the Russian plant, and it would have crumbled like that.
  10. Russ69
    Russ69 11 July 2013 10: 58 New
    +6
    Given the state of our fleet, it is possible to toss an order to Sevastopol. But everything rests on the money of the customer and the price of the contractor. With regards to Bulgaria, this is probably the only way to repay the loan.
    But in general, especially offending Sevastopol where enough pro-Russian sentiments should not be, purely from a political point of view.
    1. Very old
      Very old 11 July 2013 11: 48 New
      0
      "purely from a political point of view" - why the hell is it needed - the main thing is the quality of work. Since when have they worked diligently and conscientiously for debts. And in Sevastopol they still have not forgotten who they are and for whom they work.
  11. dustycat
    dustycat 11 July 2013 11: 02 New
    +4
    Along the way, the story of "Empress Maria" didn’t teach anyone anything.
    I wonder how many "bookmarks" on those "repaired" ships now?
    The story with "micro-concrete" at the US Embassy in Moscow can be replaced by the story with "world technologies" used in the repair of Russian ships. "Micro" from the word microphone.

    And will it not work out so that when the motherland orders the armament refuses to fulfill the fire command despite all the efforts of the crew?
  12. 1c-inform-city
    1c-inform-city 11 July 2013 11: 25 New
    +5
    And why did everyone get alarmed? In Bulgaria, only BDK and auxiliary units of the fleet are being repaired. Nobody will send Moscow there, it will go to Sevmash. Bulgars are repairing for debts and at reasonable prices. And as for the Sevastopol plant, I can tell you how it was torn up in the nineties. that they can patch up the hulls. The plant does not belong to Russia and I think that armed ships will not be put there for repair. Moreover, Ukraine requires customs duties on supplied parts and this is the main reason why Mr. Poroshenko will not receive orders! I myself have to do with Sevastopol and I see, while Ukraine rules there will be nothing worthwhile.
    1. Simon
      Simon 11 July 2013 11: 55 New
      +1
      So Ukraine itself is to blame. recourse It is necessary to join the customs union. yes Large customs privileges will immediately appear. fellow
      1. MG42
        MG42 11 July 2013 12: 50 New
        +3
        So far, only the observer status of Ukraine in the CU is actively preparing an association agreement with the EU in the fall. In general, the vehicle will be replaced by EAC = Eurasian Union ..
  13. dimon-media
    dimon-media 11 July 2013 11: 40 New
    +3
    How much can you do ananism? few of their seaports on the Black Sea? In order for there to be no dictate for leasing, the number of combat units of the fleet and blackmail for basing and repairing the Black Sea fleet in Sevastopol, Russia needs to take a principled position on this issue. That is, build a new naval base. For example: Novorossiysk (although there already is, if only expanded), Gelendzhik, Anapa. I understand that building a base and infrastructure for it is expensive. But it's worth it! It will be unnecessary to report to anyone for the commissioning of new ships in the Black Sea Fleet and no lease and pressure from the Ukrainian government. There are many precedents of blackmail and pressure on their part !!!
    PS sorry to leave Sevastopol. So much Russian blood was spilled for him. If they can, let them return Crimea with him. If they can’t return, then let them build a new base! There is no third. The Russian fleet should be based on Russian territory.
    1. King
      King 11 July 2013 12: 12 New
      0
      It is possible now in Abkhazia to base the base.
  14. Stamp
    Stamp 11 July 2013 12: 15 New
    +2
    Because of this policy, the number of pro-Russian citizens in Sevastopol will decrease both in general and in Crimea, for nationalists this is the other way around, the more such news the better.
    Although Poroshenko's strategic investor, nicknamed the Chocolate Hare, is a rather muddy type, one of the main sponsors of the Orange Revolution, he is definitely not for the TS.
  15. AlexxxNik
    AlexxxNik 11 July 2013 12: 48 New
    0
    We often repair ships in South Korea, where all the floating docks are used for repairs, judging by the shaded inscriptions, originally from the Crimea. it’s unlikely that they have acquired new ones, and the question arises: how are they going to serve the fleet, if, of course, the question of developing funds is generally raised, and not just pocket
  16. individual
    individual 11 July 2013 13: 16 New
    +3
    In general, all this is not clear.
    In Bulgaria, the situation around the monument resumed again Soviet army in the center of Sofia.Nationalists favor its demolition.
    The same requirements are put forward by the demolition of the monument "Alyosha" in Plovdiv.
    The authorities deliberately closed the inscription "The Soviet Army Liberator from the grateful Bulgarian people" with the flags of the European Union ...
    The Russian Embassy is silent, and business dealers are loading the potential enemy from the NATO camp by repairing the ships of the Black Sea Fleet!
    This makes the government a national betrayal of Russia.
    1. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 11 July 2013 13: 20 New
      +2
      Quote: individ
      The authorities deliberately closed the inscription "The Soviet Army Liberator from the grateful Bulgarian people" with the flags of the European Union ...
      And here they are s and ya. My grandfather named him in honor of him, so my opinion is here uniquely angry
  17. common man
    common man 11 July 2013 13: 29 New
    +2
    1. I myself do not know, so please enlighten. Do we have that the entire industry of Sevastopol consists of the Sevmorzavod? Write how many people work on it, including Russian citizens.
    2. If Poroshenko is so against Russia, then there can be more bookmarks at his plant than in Bulgaria. (Although the question is, what are the Bulgarians so eager to put enemy electronics in our ships?)
    3. If the plant is half-dead, then a bunch of attendants should be put into it. Russia will upgrade the plant at its own expense, and then Poroshenko will repair Turkish frigates there. (Just an example, but who will forbid him?)
    4. Are there any complaints about the work of the Bulgarians.
    1. Captain Vrungel
      Captain Vrungel 11 July 2013 21: 32 New
      0
      As for the repair of Turkish frigates in Sevastopol. Late. Turkey has enough shipbuilding, shipbuilding, ship repair plants and shipyards. They do it quickly and efficiently. A large number of Bulgarian specialists work in Turkey. And ships from the used USSR (Ukraine, Russia, Moldova, Azerbaijan) are successfully and relatively inexpensively repaired there. While we were breaking up shipbuilding and ship repair enterprises, Turkey created.
  18. And raid
    And raid 11 July 2013 17: 56 New
    0
    There are more Russians in Sevastopol than in Russia and they need to be supported in every possible way, and not “drown”. Although Russia has always thrown its heroes!