Hamid Karzai will be left alone with the Taliban

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Hamid Karzai will be left alone with the Taliban

A possible change in the US strategy in Afghanistan was reported by The New York Times, citing informed sources in Washington and Kabul. According to them, the final decision has not yet been made, but the idea of ​​the complete withdrawal from the country of all US troops is becoming more and more supporters in the administration.

The last straw that overcame Barack Obama's patience was his conversation with Hamid Karzai on June 27 via videoconference. The conversation clearly did not work out - the president of Afghanistan accused the US authorities of seeking to conclude a separate peace agreement with the Taliban, disregarding the views of the official Kabul.

For its part, the United States is dissatisfied with the conditions put forward by Mr. Karzai. The leader of Afghanistan, first, requires a clear identification of the number of troops remaining in the country after 2014. Secondly, insists that Washington undertakes to strike at the Taliban bases in Pakistan, including after the withdrawal of the main contingent of the international coalition. Third, Hamid Karzai wants the US to adopt a long-term funding program for the Afghan army and security forces. Otherwise, Kabul does not agree to sign a security treaty with the United States. Such links, quite reminiscent of blackmail, cause undisguised irritation in Washington.

If the Barack Obama administration gives preference to the “zero option”, leaving Mr. Karzai without military assistance, the fate of the government in Kabul seems bleak. According to experts, the Afghan security forces are not ready to confront the Taliban themselves, who in many provinces seized the initiative now, not waiting for the withdrawal of international forces.

In this regard, there are analogies with the fate of President Mohammad Najibullah, an ally of Moscow. After the withdrawal of Soviet troops from Afghanistan in February 1989, his regime lasted just over three years. Despite the fact that Najibullah had at its disposal a completely combat-ready army, which managed to independently win several major victories over the Mujahideen, especially in the summer of 1989.

From the troops of Hamid Karzai, very few people are expecting such feats. Experts fear that in the event of a complete withdrawal of Americans, a regime change in Kabul may occur rapidly. The bill will go not for years, as in the case of Mr. Najibullah, but for months or even weeks.
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  1. +23
    10 July 2013 12: 47
    Karzai is now one road-suitcase / airport / alternate airport in the United States or Europe. Moreover, the money accumulated from the drug trade is a good increase in retirement.
    1. fokino1980
      +5
      10 July 2013 13: 19
      may not have time !!!
      1. +3
        10 July 2013 13: 32
        Yes, he may not fly. Anything can happen. And there are enough man-made disasters now. feel
    2. +3
      10 July 2013 13: 34
      Quote: fzr1000
      Karzai is now one road-suitcase / airport / alternate airport in the United States or Europe.
      Or is there another one - the path of Najibullah ... negative
      1. -1
        10 July 2013 13: 43
        There is another. Like Adik with a bang. But hardly. The gut is thin.
        1. +1
          10 July 2013 13: 44
          Quote: fzr1000
          There is another. Like Adik with a bang. But hardly. The gut is thin.

          Wait and see...
    3. Yarbay
      0
      10 July 2013 14: 47
      Quote: fzr1000
      Karzai is now one road-suitcase / airport / alternate airport in the United States or Europe.

      Trying to merge it))))
      But they will not be able)))
      1. +7
        10 July 2013 19: 44
        Quote: Yarbay
        Trying to merge it)))) But they will not be able)))

        Alibek, hi ! Well, yes, it will somehow look like this: "The Taliban, after the withdrawal of the ISOF contingent from Afghanistan, go to welcome Karzai." wink
        1. +2
          10 July 2013 21: 05
          Quote: Tersky
          Quote: Yarbay
          Trying to merge it)))) But they will not be able)))

          Alibek, hi ! Well, yes, it will somehow look like this: "The Taliban, after the withdrawal of the ISOF contingent from Afghanistan, go to welcome Karzai." wink

          And in balls - sarin, soman, VX-gases
        2. Yarbay
          +1
          11 July 2013 01: 51
          Quote: Tersky
          Well, yes, it will somehow look like this: "The Taliban, after the withdrawal of the ISOF contingent from Afghanistan, go to welcome Karzai."

          No, Victor))
          They just won’t leave from there from some Karzai))))
          So scare each other)))))
          1. 0
            11 July 2013 01: 57
            Greetings Alibek! hi
            Quote: Yarbay
            They just won’t leave from there from some Karzai))))

            Until the negotiations with the Taliban are over, the Americans probably don’t know whether they should leave their bases there or not.
    4. +8
      10 July 2013 15: 33
      And when was Karzai an independent figure? They put it themselves, and throw it away, like a used product. And besides it turned out to be leaky. But seriously, the most real force in Afghanistan is the Taliban.
      1. FATEMOGAN
        +3
        10 July 2013 16: 29
        Quote: xetai9977
        But seriously, the most real force in Afghanistan is the Taliban.

        As I understand it, Korzai will be given away for eating if the amers agree with the Taliban, it is not for nothing that the Taliban representative office has opened in Doha, where the amers often travel. But they don’t agree with the Taliban, maybe Karzai will live even a little kid.
      2. +3
        10 July 2013 21: 05
        Quote: xetai9977
        They put it themselves, and throw it away, like a used product.


        Then they put it on themselves ....
        1. +1
          10 July 2013 22: 00
          Quote: Vadivak
          Then they put it on themselves ...

          Vadim hi ! laughing !good ! Brevity is the soul of wit...
      3. 0
        10 July 2013 21: 33
        Raised a goat, cherished ... But he, ungrateful, shakes
      4. Yarbay
        +3
        11 July 2013 01: 52
        Quote: xetai9977
        And when was Karzai an independent figure? They put it themselves, and throw it away, like a used product. And besides it turned out to be full of holes

        absolutely right !!
        Quote: xetai9977
        But seriously, the most real force in Afghanistan is the Taliban.

        I would correct those who are supported by the top in Pakistan !!
    5. 0
      11 July 2013 02: 37
      Quote: fzr1000
      Karzai is now one road-suitcase / airport / alternate airport in the United States or Europe. Moreover, the money accumulated from the drug trade is a good increase in retirement.


      Two, I would say, one more in the crematorium ...
  2. Guun
    +4
    10 July 2013 12: 52
    Nobody expected another turn. In Karzai, the cross has already been set. We look forward to broadcasting an assault on the palace of the puppet president who was thrown out like a dog.
    1. 0
      10 July 2013 17: 43
      not a cross ... they are not peasants
  3. +3
    10 July 2013 12: 53
    Karzai is greyhound because he has nothing left to do. Do not he beg these conditions from the states, they just cut off his head. Unless he
    Quote: fzr1000
    Karzai is now one road-suitcase / airport / alternate airport in the United States or Europe.

    And so, you see, it will last a couple more years. Then again the Taliban, al-Qaeda, terrorist bases and again the "humanitarian" entry of troops. Only now it will come back to haunt us.
  4. Alexanderlaskov
    0
    10 July 2013 13: 05
    The Afghans won. USA DESTROYED. Hooray!
    1. +5
      10 July 2013 13: 26
      This is a grandmother for two said that it is better. It depends on who is ... after leaving SUSHYa ...
    2. Soldier
      +13
      10 July 2013 13: 29
      I don’t share your optimism. These frost-bitten bearded men do not care who they kill. Whoever pays for this is fighting. The bandits have no Nationality. And I don’t want to repeat the second Afghanistan, with our participation. For me, Amer’s, sworn friends, let them bring democracy to the savages who they themselves trained, but without us.
      1. +1
        11 July 2013 10: 16
        absolutely agree.
    3. +1
      10 July 2013 13: 43
      It would be better to continue to fight, we are calmer, while the Taliban divert all the attention.
      Karzai is unlikely to last long without support.
      1. +3
        10 July 2013 13: 46
        Quote: Russ69
        It would be better to continue to fight, we are calmer, while the Taliban divert all the attention.
        It’s not quite like that, since drug trafficking has increased many times over, which the Taliban did not allow ... You don’t know which is better.
        1. +6
          10 July 2013 14: 08
          long forgotten about it, now the Taliban are encouraging drug trafficking
    4. +6
      10 July 2013 14: 01
      Quote: Alexanderlaskov
      The Afghans won. USA DESTROYED. Hooray!
      Honestly, I don't really want to rejoice, the "abscess" is not eliminated, but on the contrary, it becomes more and more "purulent"
  5. +1
    10 July 2013 13: 08
    So Hamid is merged.
  6. serge-68-68
    +11
    10 July 2013 13: 08
    I see no reason for gloating. We must wait not for the imminent demise of the Karzai regime, but for an increase in drug trafficking in the Russian Federation, an aggravation of conflict situations in the “soft underbelly” of Russia, and further radicalization of Russian Islamists.
  7. +10
    10 July 2013 13: 16
    Afghanistan is a warring country, warring tribes do not know how to live differently and there is nothing to meddle in their internal affairs.
    Russia should be concerned about maintaining its influence in the Asian border countries and increasing the constant control of drug trafficking.
  8. +1
    10 July 2013 13: 18
    Karzai apparently was only born when
    accused US authorities of striving to conclude a separate peace agreement with the Taliban, not taking into account the views of official Kabul
    apparently does not know or forgot - in US politics there are no allies, but only interests ...
  9. +8
    10 July 2013 13: 20
    Quote: Vladimirets
    And so, you see, it will last a couple more years. Then again the Taliban, al-Qaeda, terrorist bases and again the "humanitarian" entry of troops. Only now it will come back to haunt us.

    Shitty, I think, comes around, although heroin is already pouring river. It’s hard for me to remember when the EBN left Najibullah. The troops were probably withdrawn correctly, but why was it completely abandoned. To support then not a single barrel of gasoline, not a single cartridge. That's why we got hemorrhoids, all our losses are in vain.
    1. +1
      10 July 2013 13: 37
      Quote: Yuri Ya.
      It’s hard for me to remember when the EBN left Najibullah.

      And did he abandon EBN Najibullah? what
      1. avt
        +8
        10 July 2013 13: 58
        Quote: Vladimirets
        And this is EBN Najibullah threw

        Yes . Even refused for MONEY to supply fuel and lubricants and spare parts for heavy equipment, like Gorbachev was in front of him, when everything stood up, the spirits entered Kabul on foot and hung it.
        1. +1
          10 July 2013 14: 31
          Quote: avt
          when everything stood up, the spirits entered Kabul on foot and hung it.

          Well, they overthrew him in 1992, and they perished in 1996. After 1991, EBNu was unlikely to be in Najibullah, in general, like the whole country, for the sake of justice.
      2. Yarbay
        +2
        11 July 2013 01: 52
        Quote: Vladimirets
        And did he abandon EBN Najibullah?

        He was betrayed by his entourage and Gorbachev!
  10. Bakunin
    +7
    10 July 2013 13: 21
    Until now, many Afghans with the warmth of Shuravi recall
  11. essenger
    +5
    10 July 2013 13: 24
    We must support the Northern Alliance. They are able to withstand the Taliban.
    1. avt
      +3
      10 July 2013 14: 01
      Quote: Essenger
      We must support the Northern Alliance. They are able to withstand the Taliban.

      No, even under Masoud, I had to blow up the tunnel - to fence myself off from them. So this is when our border was kept! And now they will walk on foot in Dushanbe from the mountains as on a sled.
  12. Alexanderlaskov
    +2
    10 July 2013 13: 25
    It is no secret that in Afghanistan, after the US invasion, drug cultivation has grown in unimaginable volumes. Does someone believe that their departure will be worse?
  13. +3
    10 July 2013 13: 25
    Hamid Karzai will be left alone with the Taliban Not for long.
  14. 0
    10 July 2013 13: 31
    Quote: fzr1000
    Karzai is now one road-suitcase / airport / alternate airport in the United States or Europe. Moreover, the money accumulated from the drug trade is a good increase in retirement.

    And they will get there. If you really want to. Not so much because of some special hatred for him, but in order to show that they can get anyone. But if he even buys off to the heap normally, then he might live ...
  15. +1
    10 July 2013 13: 31
    Throughout the history of Afghanistan, more than one invader has failed to conquer it. The only exceptions are Genghis Khan and Tamerlane, and even then only because they flooded the country with blood, cutting out all men over 12 years old. So the "amers" had to first read the history before bringing in the troops, although the law is not written to them, where are the stories ...
    1. +3
      10 July 2013 13: 41
      Alexander of Macedon, Cyrus the Great ... who only did not rule Afghanistan ...
    2. itkul
      +4
      10 July 2013 17: 57
      Quote: Alekseir162
      In the entire history of the existence of Afghanistan, not one occupier has been able to conquer it


      Taken from here

      http://kino.oper.ru/torture/read.php?t=1045689085

      The fable that “in the whole history no one has ever managed to conquer Afghanistan” has no real soil under it. First you need to find out: what exactly is there to conquer? I answer: in a mountainous country inhabited by primitive tribes living in caves, there is nothing to conquer.

      Yes, trade routes pass through Afghanistan. Yes, it is advisable not to let the locals rob these trade routes. Yes, for this they must be killed - they do not understand another treatment. And, of course, we must not forget about the geopolitical importance of these territories. For example, for Russia.

      Who Fought Successfully in Afghanistan? Yes, everyone who was not lazy. For example, "Uzbek" Babur. Babur was attacked by evil Tatars from the Volga region (aha, our Tatars are like that) and, under the leadership of Sheibani Khan, they pushed him out of the Fergana Valley (yes, our Tatars will get wherever they want and sprinkle everyone they can reach). Babur marched through Afghanistan with fire and sword, killed everyone and slaughtered everyone. But since there is nothing in Afghanistan, he left for India, where he organized the Mughal dynasty. Of course, the Afghans are firmly convinced that it was they who defeated and drove Babur away.

      And here was another incident - in 1878, the second Afghan war began, which was fought by the British. To begin with, subjects of the British Empire sent a note to the then ruler of Afghanistan, Sherali, in which they said that they did not like his pro-Russian position. Please note: the British. Where is Britain, and where is Afghanistan? Is it all the same to the British, with whom the primitive Afghans are friends? It turns out that it’s all the same, they care about everything, and the British do not like the pro-Russian sentiments in Afghanistan. And the United States needs Afghanistan, and now there are US troops. And only to idiots from among the Soviet intellectuals and their children, it does not matter who stands near our borders.
      1. +1
        10 July 2013 21: 12
        Quote: itkul
        Of course, the Afghans are firmly convinced that it was they who won and drove away

        In my opinion, it is quite objective.
  16. Bakunin
    +2
    10 July 2013 13: 37
    Quote: Alekseir162
    Throughout the history of Afghanistan, more than one invader has failed to conquer it. The only exceptions are Genghis Khan and Tamerlane, and even then only because they flooded the country with blood, cutting out all men over 12 years old. So the "amers" had to first read the history before bringing in the troops, although the law is not written to them, where are the stories ...


    Maybe the Chinese will succeed? =)
    1. +3
      10 July 2013 13: 59
      Easy. Several thousand Chinese are resettled, areas with a predominantly Chinese population appear, troops are brought in that do not stop at half-measures, acting on the principle of "cutting everyone like that." No high-precision weapons for the sake of "not killing a world-dweller" in general, no attempts to play humanism. The Pakistani government will not go anywhere, will do whatever China says, the US will not take them back, it's too late. The spirit camps in Pakistan will be dispersed, the flow of weapons and ammunition will stop (for the weapons came from China) and in ten years there will be an ordinary Chinese province like Tajikistan ...
      PS: the Chinese are cunning, at first they helped the spirits against the USSR, then against the USA, swept Afghanistan from the north and south, almost squeezed the USA out of Pakistan, and Russia from Central Asia ...
  17. Bakunin
    0
    10 July 2013 13: 47
    Quote: fzr1000
    There is another. Like Adik with a bang. But hardly. The gut is thin.


    Are you talking about adolf aloizovich shiklgruber? Well, Mr. Karzai is not so impulsive. So it's unlikely to put a bullet in his temple
  18. +1
    10 July 2013 13: 49
    Maybe the old men Dostum and Hekmatyar will shake their gray hairs ... Or else they wrote off Karzai for scrap ... It's still early, what the Americans call the "Taliban" is really a group of tribes that, after the Americans leave, will go about their usual business, cut each other ... a repetition of the merry 90s awaits, when stoned Pashtuns slaughtered the same Uzbeks ... And the Taliban are no longer students ...
  19. AK-47
    +2
    10 July 2013 14: 03
    Otherwise, Kabul does not agree to sign a security agreement with the United States

    According to the principle: to spite mom frostbite ears.
    fool
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  21. +1
    10 July 2013 14: 05
    "Very few people expect such feats from the troops of Hamid Karzai."
    It seems to me that even this is said loudly. Karzai, if his life is dear to him, you need to catch even the last American plane flying away. The latter, knowing the agility of the Taliban, may not even fly up ...
  22. +1
    10 July 2013 14: 13
    -The conversation clearly did not work out - the president of Afghanistan accused the US authorities of striving to conclude a separate peace agreement with the Taliban, not taking into account the views of official Kabul.
    It’s just a “competition” - who is the first to make peace with the Taliban. It is possible that each side is in talks with different Taliban factions.
    Alas, there is no ONE Afghanistan. No Leader is foreseen who could unite the country. The best option is to create a pair / triple of new states. The Russian Federation then it makes sense to support not the Pashtuns, but the Northern Alliance as a barrier to the Taliban.
  23. 0
    10 July 2013 14: 14
    Quote: Vladimirets
    Quote: Yuri Ya.
    It’s hard for me to remember when the EBN left Najibullah.

    And did he abandon EBN Najibullah? what

    Maybe before with Gorbachev, now I don’t remember, now it doesn’t matter. The main result that we got.
    Quote: Alexanderlaskov
    It is no secret that in Afghanistan, after the US invasion, drug cultivation has grown in unimaginable volumes. Does someone believe that their departure will be worse?

    It's not just about drugs; a holy place never happens. If Karzai is weak, extremists, through the Central Asian republics, will appear at our borders. Our border guards are no longer there. Maybe amers achieve this.
    1. 0
      10 July 2013 19: 06
      So that's what they need! What is the point in Arab springs, stubborn support for cannibals in Syria, in the Islamization of Turkey, endless attacks on Iran, a powder keg in the Balkans and Iraq? In the rescue of the dollar by the Fed, as a maximum. At a minimum: replacing the dollar with amero. Taliban Afghanistan is just a link in the chain of a great geostrategic game. Karzai, as a Moor who did his job, according to the plan of the “grandmasters,” must leave.
  24. Whale
    0
    10 July 2013 14: 15
    In fact, this is poured glue when the question of drugs and the reasons for the presence of troops in the news about the withdrawal begins to be raised

    4 or 5 times is no longer interesting
    no one will leave from there, only fools
  25. +1
    10 July 2013 14: 22
    Now Afghanistan is a bomb, and Russia is within the radius of destruction. Moreover, a bomb with at least a binary charge. There is no "sapper" on the world stage who could defuse it! And this is sad!
    Moreover, explicitly or secretly, "trotylchik" is still being planted by both the United States and China, Pakistan, and the United Arab Emirates. And "anthrax" drug lords, arms lords, slafites.
  26. +1
    10 July 2013 14: 23
    Well, the principle of amers - came, shit, quietly washed off ... But let others restore and restore order. At the same time, there will be as many victorious relayings as if they won the galactic war ...
  27. Kovrovsky
    +1
    10 July 2013 14: 32
    Quote: Bakunin
    Quote: fzr1000
    There is another. Like Adik with a bang. But hardly. The gut is thin.


    Are you talking about adolf aloizovich shiklgruber? Well, Mr. Karzai is not so impulsive. So it's unlikely to put a bullet in his temple

    Can hit the vein with poppy seeds!
  28. +1
    10 July 2013 14: 40
    history repeats itself and everything falls into place again
  29. pa_nik
    +1
    10 July 2013 15: 24
    how is it in american .. - throw allies lol
    1. allosaurus
      0
      10 July 2013 19: 04
      no, it’s an American way to bring chaos, and then wreak havoc with democracy, and, moreover, American, then into a ditched and killed country.
    2. rama110
      +1
      10 July 2013 20: 59
      Quote: pa_nik
      how is it in american .. - throw allies lol

      Quote: pa_nik
      how is it in american .. - throw allies lol

      Well, we must have the strength to admit the allies and we are throwing much. Najibula, Yugoslavia, Libya ...
  30. allosaurus
    0
    10 July 2013 15: 57
    if Karzai is left alone with the Taliban, Mohammad Nadzhibullah’s unenviable fate awaits him. Well, they would torture and kill, but they will gobble it up. Humans have tasted it in Syria, which means they have come to taste.
  31. +2
    10 July 2013 17: 29
    Amer is well aware that at 60-70000 the group was far from victory and at 30000 it would only get worse. Locked on the bases of a few Americans, they will be enthusiastically cutting gangs of various kinds. And all these conditions that Karzai put forward imply the full participation of the Americans in a useless slaughter, already from neighboring territories, seas. Because amers and jump completely. Karzai rules Kabul and the environs of Kabul, and even then only during the day. And after the departure of the amers, the USA alone is dear to him. Najibb held out because the hunchback supported him with weapons. And when we left at the outposts we left monthly food supplies and 7-8 b / c and all DShK, BMP. I have the fourth platoon on the BMP and that's all left. And in Termez, day and night, trains went over the river with cartridges. Dostum and Hekmatyar are already old, there new wolves have grown up among Uzbeks, Tajiks and Pashtuns.
  32. +2
    10 July 2013 19: 42
    Quote: pa_nik
    how is it in american .. - throw allies


    Karzai sshatam is not only not a comrade, he is not even near-walled.
    Amer reached the goal. And they leave quite satisfied with themselves.
    At the borders of both Russia and China, the Taliban were given the broadest opportunities, they created a zone of incubation of terrorists for decades, and the whole region was hooked on drug trafficking with the supply of "product" to Russia.
    What else is needed to look from the side, but to rejoice?
    1. +5
      10 July 2013 20: 44
      Quote: Chen
      At the borders of both Russia and China, the Taliban were given the broadest opportunities, they created a zone of incubation of terrorists for decades, and the whole region was hooked on drug trafficking with the supply of "product" to Russia.

      Sergey, hi ! good ! +++ Solidarity. Hamid Karzai has worked in full in terms of the "democratization" of Afghanistan: land - to the peasants, (under the poppy, of course). Weapons - to the field commanders. Heroin for the workers of neighboring countries. This is true European democracy. The Taliban turned out to be intractable in the issue of the transit of Caspian gas, which the US-based oil monopoly Unical decided to organize. After the seizure of power, who became the president of the country? Hamid Karzai is a former staff advisor to Unical who signed a transit agreement on favorable terms for the company. Heroin production, of course, went up, increasing almost 40 times. Moreover, the drug business was a family affair: the murdered brother of the President, Vali Karzai, was known as one of the most influential drug dealers. US finances are beginning to sing romances, to maintain such a contingent in Afghanistan, and not only there, the world gendarme cannot afford it. But Moor did his job, what is the answer in your comment
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  34. +2
    10 July 2013 20: 45
    Najibula was a capable leader and the army was, but traitors came to power in the USSR and Russia, who turned fuel supplies into Afghanistan and everything fell into place. The Taliban and Hekmatyar, who came to power, said many thanks to Gaidar Nemtsov, EBN and his followers. Damn them.
  35. bremest
    0
    10 July 2013 21: 21
    It seems to me that our president could also start separate negotiations with the Taliban, backroom games, deftly covering this with a desire to work out a national reconciliation of the Afghans ........
  36. -1
    10 July 2013 21: 26
    In general, Afghanistan is a wild country. My own uncle once served in the OKSV, saw everyone there. The best, in my opinion, way to stop the spread of infection on our southern borders:
    "Who threw the tarpaulin on the console ?!"
    "I, comrade warrant officer."
    "Well, I understand - to hell with him, with Afghanistan, but there must be discipline in the army!"
  37. 0
    10 July 2013 22: 33
    Such is the fate of the puppets. crying
  38. 0
    10 July 2013 23: 02
    Probably Karzai now well understands that no one has managed to be friends with the CIA on equal terms. They will always "merge" at the right time. Now even poppy plantations won't help
  39. ed65b
    0
    11 July 2013 10: 41
    If Hunchback had not betrayed Najibul, he would still be in Kabul. I needed a regular set of fuel, ammunition, weapons, advisers. I would do the rest myself. And today, 100% of Afghanistan would be more industrialized and developed than now.
  40. Zopuhhh
    0
    11 July 2013 10: 46
    Quote: Alexanderlaskov
    The Afghans won. USA DESTROYED. Hooray!

    Something tells me that in Doha, the mattresses agree against whom they will be friends ...