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"Proton" exploded due to childish mistakes

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"Proton" exploded due to childish mistakesThe cause of the crash of the Proton-M launch vehicle, which fell at the Baikonur 2 cosmodrome in July, has been established. This writes the "Moskovsky Komsomolets" with reference to a source close to the investigation.
According to him, the rocket exploded due to the human factor: when assembling the Proton, the angular velocity sensors were incorrectly connected - at the time of their connection the plus and minus poles were confused. Because of this, as explained by the source, the rocket control system immediately after the start began to receive incorrect data from its sensors and, as a result, lost its stable orientation.


Swing rocket from side to side immediately after launch confirms this version. "According to the logic of things, the wrong connection of the sensors should have been detected during a comprehensive verification of the launch vehicle at the factory and at Baikonur," said the source.

At the same time, another informed source in the space industry said that "there was no proper monitoring and verification before launching the rocket." "There is information that the state commission, which is traditionally held on the eve of the launch, has either not been conducted at all or has been reduced to pure formality," he stressed.

The Proton-M launch vehicle, which in the morning of 2 July was supposed to launch three Glonass-M navigation spacecraft into orbit, changed the trajectory at the tenth second of flight, caught fire, fell into the territory of the Baikonur cosmodrome and exploded. Hundreds of tons of extremely toxic fuel, heptyl, spilled on the site of the fall.

On the fact of the accident was a criminal case under Art. 216 of the Criminal Code ("Violation of safety rules in the conduct of mining, construction or other works").

The reasons for the fall of Proton are being investigated at once by two commissions - the state commission, which is under the authority of Roskosmos, and a government commission that conducts an external audit. In addition, as stated by Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin, a technological inspection team will be created, which did not include specialists from the rocket manufacturer, the Khrunichev Center. Officially, the causes of the accident should be named before the end of the month.
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  1. Grishka100watt
    Grishka100watt 10 July 2013 08: 15
    +9
    achrinet (( request
    1. afire
      afire 10 July 2013 08: 32
      45
      Do you really think that this sensor is not duplicated several times?
      if not, then at least it’s very strange in such an apparatus.
      I personally think that it has been duplicated several times, and the point is that there cannot be one sensor, which is essentially idle.
      1. Varnaga
        Varnaga 10 July 2013 08: 40
        54
        The "source" is not right, to put it mildly, connectors on such products have long been made in such a way that it is impossible to confuse them.
        It is necessary to look deeper, the acceptance of the Khrunichev workers is very much inferior to the same "Progress", where the staff of acceptance totals up to 200 people.
        1. Vovka levka
          Vovka levka 10 July 2013 08: 52
          22
          Quote: Varnaga
          The "source" is not right, to put it mildly, connectors on such products have long been made in such a way that it is impossible to confuse them.
          It is necessary to look deeper, the acceptance of the Khrunichev workers is very much inferior to the same "Progress", where the staff of acceptance totals up to 200 people.

          Correctly connect the wires to the connector.
          Entangled wires lead, at a minimum, to the sensor’s non-operation and this can be easily seen during testing. In general, how can I now determine if the wires were mixed up? No way. They are looking for a switchman to calm their bosses. Looks rattled strongly.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 10 July 2013 08: 57
            53
            Quote: Vovka Levka
            In general, how can I now determine if the wires were mixed up?

            They call them. There are special devices for this.
            Plus, after assembly, they should be tested.

            In short, the article needs to be renamed. Instead of "Proton" exploded due to a childish mistake, "it is necessary to read" An unknown source of MK voiced children's excuses "
            1. Tersky
              Tersky 10 July 2013 09: 39
              12
              Quote: Spade
              "Proton exploded due to a childish mistake"

              Good day! That's where it’s not a child’s mistake, - At the same time, another informed source in the space industry said that "there was no proper control and verification before the launch of the rocket."and the rest is just babble on the lawn.
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 10 July 2013 10: 02
                +1
                Kind.

                Yes, some kind of nonsense is going on. Already super-fine-tuned in production "Protons" they began to fall.
                And they, instead of assigning three supervisors to each hard worker, are engaged in shuffling the leadership and reorganizing to ensure that only the right people receive the cash.
                1. svp67
                  svp67 10 July 2013 11: 30
                  +1
                  Quote: Spade
                  And they, instead of assigning three supervisors to each hard worker, are engaged in shuffling the leadership and reorganizing to ensure that only the right people receive the cash.

                  And against this background, it seems that someone in black, by the name of Bond, and by the name of James, at night, bypassing all the security and signaling posts, crept up to the rocket and changes the wires ... lol ... Well, it's funny. I think if our leaders now, for this case, would carry out a "cleanup" of the leadership, it would be right ...
            2. svp67
              svp67 10 July 2013 11: 26
              +1
              Quote: Spade
              Instead of "Proton" exploded due to a childish mistake, "it is necessary to read" An unknown source of MK voiced children's excuses "

              Even if what this unknown source is talking about happened, where were those who were supposed to check all the systems both at the plant itself and at Baikonur?
            3. Lavr75
              Lavr75 10 July 2013 11: 53
              +1
              I completely agree, plus, probably not one sensor is installed, but at least a group of sensors. Primary, emergency, emergency. In this case, the information from the sensors falls into the measuring complex, where it is compared and the non-working sensor is ignored, I am not sure about this, but on other products this is the procedure.
              1. igor.borov775
                igor.borov775 11 July 2013 05: 20
                0
                Hi, Absolutely correct remark, And the fact that they sounded really baby talk, Just hoped for each other
            4. aviator_IAS
              aviator_IAS 10 July 2013 11: 56
              0
              Quote: Spade
              Plus, after assembly, they should be tested.


              Must - not yet a guarantee that we tested
              Judging by...
              a source in the space industry said that "there was no proper control and inspection before launching the rocket"
            5. Vovka levka
              Vovka levka 10 July 2013 14: 43
              +1
              [quote = Lopatov] [quote = Vovka Levka] In general, how can you now determine whether the wires have been mixed up? [/ quote]
              They call them. There are special devices for this.
              Plus, after assembly, they should be tested.

              / Quote]
              Now it’s impossible, because there is already nothing.
              1. Cynic
                Cynic 10 July 2013 17: 45
                +2
                Quote: Vovka Levka
                Now it’s impossible, because there is already nothing.

                Telemetry remained.
        2. mealnik2005
          mealnik2005 10 July 2013 09: 40
          +9
          A strong impression is created about the deliberate destruction of the Glonas satellites and the deliberate delay in the deployment of the group of the same name. Another question: why does the power not itch? "High scout" lost his sense of smell?
          1. afire
            afire 10 July 2013 09: 57
            +4
            Quote: mealnik2005
            and deliberately delaying the deployment of the same group


            Grouping ALREADY created!
            These 3 satellites flew to the reserve, now there are 2 backup satellites in orbit, 5 were planned.
            enough air to shake idle talk!
          2. Uncle
            Uncle 10 July 2013 11: 01
            +4
            Quote: mealnik2005
            A strong impression is created about the deliberate destruction of the Glonas satellites and the deliberate delay in the deployment of the group of the same name.

            Sure! In general, it is ridiculous to quote "Moskovsky Komsomolets". This newspaper is for the beer-fueled loafers. And what is this source that gives information "MK"? More respectable publications do not let him on the doorstep?
        3. user
          user 10 July 2013 10: 01
          +2
          Everyone who has been involved in microelectronics will burst with laughter.
          Well, who has nothing to do with this (for example, Rogozin) they write versions of what happened but that it was not very scary and plausible
          1. Uncle
            Uncle 10 July 2013 13: 22
            +3
            Quote: user
            Everyone who has been involved in microelectronics will burst with laughter.

            And what? The rocket sways left and right, which means the polarity of the sensor is reversed, everything is clear. laughing
            1. Lavr75
              Lavr75 10 July 2013 13: 40
              +2
              No, it’s just an alternating current, it’s poor and it pumps when when the phase changes to the opposite.
              1. MG42
                MG42 10 July 2013 14: 09
                +1
                Quote: Lavr75
                No, it’s just an alternating current, it’s poor and it pumps

                Where does plus and minus come from in alternating current? Are you kidding?
              2. zennon
                zennon 10 July 2013 18: 35
                +1
                just an alternating current, here it’s poor and it pumps

                Curious to know the frequency laughing
                1. MG42
                  MG42 10 July 2013 18: 47
                  +2
                  Quote: zennon
                  Curious to know the frequency

                  50 Hz as in the network <joke> wink yes there is a lot of humor and also the phase changes places with zero laughing plug the probe into a socket to check that it is not ..
                  39 advantages of this article put ..
          2. Dober
            Dober 10 July 2013 13: 28
            +1
            Quote: user
            Everyone who has been involved in microelectronics will burst with laughter.

            Exactly.
            Someone try at least "wrong" to connect the contacts in your computer, peripheral to the mat. fee.
            Yes, there is not only impossible to "confuse", but also it will not work to turn the connector!
            And this is in a 300-400 dollar box, and then "P-P-O-T-O-N" ...
            1. igor67
              igor67 10 July 2013 14: 27
              +2
              An interesting version, of course, but how can you mix up what cannot be mixed up, in aviation, in general, minus (metalization). It goes to the body, but the connections of the neck and fan, I hope the proton pads do not apply
              1. Cynic
                Cynic 10 July 2013 18: 50
                0
                Quote: igor67
                in aviation, generally minus (metalization). Goes to the body

                Is it only in aviation ?!
                wink
            2. Cynic
              Cynic 10 July 2013 18: 44
              +1
              Quote: Dober
              Someone try to at least "wrong" connect the contacts in your computer,

              Yes at a time!
              Saw a 6pin upstream power connector plugged upside down!
              fellow
              1. Dober
                Dober 11 July 2013 16: 43
                0
                Quote: Cynic
                Yes at a time!
                Saw a 6pin upstream power connector plugged upside down!

                Wires "forward" or what? laughing
                K.g. "You can foolishly and * uy break" not only the connector.
                In general, I specially repeated it on the old PSU. If you break off the latch, it enters with a slight effort, and also exits. But the voltage is not supplied, two "empty" contacts are in the wrong place. The other end of the cable, 8-pin for "mother of a matreinka or vidyuhi" by no means wants to sit down. Wants to break ...
        4. domokl
          domokl 10 July 2013 10: 10
          +6
          Quote: Varnaga
          "Source" is not right, to put it mildly

          I don’t even have to doubt it. I think you need to find the switchman. And the best way is to look for him at the bottom ... Worker, technician, engineer ... I don’t want to touch the big ones. And the Deputy Prime Minister sputtered a lot on the TV ...
          1. Tersky
            Tersky 10 July 2013 19: 26
            +2
            Quote: domokl
            And the Deputy Prime Minister sputtered a lot on the TV ...

            Alexander, hi ! I bought myself a "box" by special order ... wink heaped up can not good , with rain sensor and wipers with 6 speed, fellow... Moreover, the option is two-sided, both with the front side of the screen, and with the reverse. The principle of operation is simple, when I spit on the screen on the goat faces of "people-lovers" the external windshield wipers are triggered, when the "broadcasters-promises" start to spray saliva, then the internal ones. True, there is one defect - the higher the salivation of the latter and the louder the promises, the higher the speed of the external wipers, request, but should work faster internal laughing probably something is wrong with the sensors winked , not otherwise than the polarity is not observed during installation. wink
        5. Committee
          Committee 10 July 2013 11: 49
          +1
          A rocket is a "set" of ready-made elements. It is not built like a car or a boat. Therefore, "confuse the wire" ...
        6. Cynic
          Cynic 10 July 2013 12: 13
          0
          Quote: Varnaga
          The "source" is not right, to put it mildly,

          The source to put it mildly voiced one version of the many that are on the network and dumped on our heads!
          Voiced yesterday!
          The only thing that I forgot to indicate is that Glonassa will now be launched on passenger carriers!
          To me, the version about the start of 0.4 earlier is prettier _ Electronics went into discord!
          laughing
        7. танк
          танк 10 July 2013 12: 52
          +2
          That's right! You need to look deeper, the scientific potential in jo ... and apparently it is not going to be restored in the near future. We will eat up the remains of the USSR in a word ... Thanks to him.
        8. The comment was deleted.
      2. igor36
        igor36 10 July 2013 08: 40
        +8
        Quote: afire
        that it is duplicated several times

        And not only duplicated, but also must be tested after installation at several levels of verification prior to launch.
        1. Canep
          Canep 10 July 2013 08: 46
          +5
          On the video at the start, it was clear that some crap flies out of one of the nozzles, dark in color. And how could they establish that the sensor was not connected correctly if nothing was left of the rocket, but what remained was burned in the heptyl flame.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 10 July 2013 09: 01
            +3
            Telemetry is checked.
            1. dustycat
              dustycat 10 July 2013 16: 46
              +3
              The start-up control computer system would produce a similar error immediately with a live voice. From the very moment of separation from the table, a message would have passed the failure of the control system, transfer to an emergency trajectory.
              And here for a whole week they thought up what to lie.
              In the video you can clearly see the rocket completely loses control and begins to spin.
              Perhaps, just after the breakaway from the table, onboard food disappeared.
              And then she worked purely electromechanics. It is less demanding on power - if only there was enough current in the emergency elements.
              Whereas, for supplying electronics, a voltage of at least certain is necessary.
          2. dustycat
            dustycat 10 July 2013 16: 34
            +3
            "Brown feathers" at the start of heptylocks is normal - it is an excess of oxidant. It is he who has a characteristic brown color.
            For heptyl engines, in general, the normal mode of operation with an excess of oxidizing agent is that they work more steadily.
        2. afire
          afire 10 July 2013 08: 59
          +4
          Quote: igor36
          Quote: afire
          that it is duplicated several times

          And not only duplicated, but also must be tested after installation at several levels of verification prior to launch.

          in general, such devices simply have to have a system of self-monitoring of the element base. This is feasible on a multiplex and competent Software, a trip to the dvigl something happened, once the smoke was, or they put some kind of sensor scapegoat.
          1. sub307
            sub307 10 July 2013 09: 48
            0
            Yes, it seems.
      3. GreatRussia
        GreatRussia 10 July 2013 10: 14
        +1
        "Proton" exploded due to childish mistakes

        In fact, this has always been called negligence.

        "Measure seven times, cut once" has not yet been canceled.
      4. xetai9977
        xetai9977 10 July 2013 10: 38
        +4
        Most likely, they again bring down the switchman.
      5. Jin
        Jin 10 July 2013 10: 41
        +8
        Quote: afire
        Do you really think that this sensor is not duplicated several times?
        if not, then at least it’s very strange in such an apparatus.
        I personally think that it has been duplicated several times, and the point is that there cannot be one sensor, which is essentially idle.


        Personally, I believe that Proton was "helped" to lose orientation ... Based on the identified thefts under the Glonass program, someone is "writing off" the stolen goods. Just as warehouses are torn in the army, Roskosmos explodes rockets. In 2011, they drowned in the ocean, and now they blew it up ... If the check was "purely formal", it is not clear what was flying in the form of a "payload" - 3 satellites with a solid cost or mockups of 3 satellites for a penny a piece. Seriously, to do this, in my opinion, is extremely difficult, but if they took it for * ooo, for the sake of saving the skin, I think it is possible. All the more so that by a layout I mean not a plastic toy, but quite a "satellite", but instead of expensive nodes there is, for example, a 3-bucks "Made in Taiwan" microcircuit. Perhaps this is nonsense, because hundreds of people are involved in the process, but how else to explain such an unprecedented "luck" of the Glonass satellites? what
        1. mark1
          mark1 10 July 2013 10: 53
          +2
          Quote: Jin
          Personally, I believe that Proton was "helped" to lose orientation.

          I agree. Of all the versions, this is the most logical and believable
        2. afire
          afire 10 July 2013 12: 01
          +2
          and I think that helped
        3. maxcor1974
          maxcor1974 10 July 2013 12: 20
          +3
          In support of your version, the absence of insurance for satellites, only the carrier was insured. After all, if these were "mock-ups" of satellites, then they would not have dared to show them to any insurance company, they would have seriously checked them.
          1. dustycat
            dustycat 10 July 2013 16: 55
            0
            Even more than that.
            In the event of an insured event, it is necessary to conduct an investigation and attach photographs of the destroyed or damaged property to the insurance case. To clearly see what exactly is damaged.
            In this case, with the carrier, the easiest way is to remove a pile of wreckage with serial numbers and that's it. The difficulty is that when shooting bulk models it will be too noticeable that this is the layout.
            Here are the products and did not insure.
            But they could fail in orbit - and this is also insured.
            But only the primary carrier was insured without cargo and booster blocks.
      6. Michael-rl
        Michael-rl 10 July 2013 10: 47
        +2
        One gets the feeling that someone simply stole the money, and stuffed cardboard boxes into a rocket and blew it up.
        If those responsible for the satellites themselves were put in a rocket, so that they would deliver them into space, there wouldn’t be a single accident =)))
      7. Committee
        Committee 10 July 2013 11: 41
        +8
        Yes, it has been duplicated several times, besides, it is simply mechanically impossible to "confuse" it, you cannot insert it. Not in caliber, not in thickness (roughly speaking) "not your" wire will not stick in the wrong place. And as for the DUS specifically, there is no "wire" at all, but if it is quite rude - an elegant metal bar on which the "photocell" "shines".

        Guys, do not you think that they began to treat us like cattle, like the United States, as if we do not know anything, we don’t understand technology, we don’t work anywhere, listen to rap, drink beer and watch football, and we can "rub in" and about the "meteorite" and about the "tangled wire"?
        1. Jin
          Jin 10 July 2013 11: 58
          +3
          Quote: Committee
          Guys, and you don’t think that they began to treat us like cattle diggers, like the USA


          I agree, my colleague, they are lying there completely, thinking that we are hawking all this ... You about the Kursk, remember the same story, nothing changes and for some reason it does not surprise me ...
          1. Committee
            Committee 10 July 2013 12: 01
            +1
            Here, and yet a lie gives rise to mistrust! It’s okay, people haven’t died like on the Kursk.
          2. dustycat
            dustycat 10 July 2013 17: 00
            +1
            What else do you expect from lawyers?
            They are wooden in technology, so they believe that everything as they more believe in what is printed. Even if this does not match the readings.
            It is easier for them to prove that the readings of the measuring device are not reliable than to admit that it was what it was.
        2. afire
          afire 10 July 2013 21: 40
          +1
          Quote: Committee
          an elegant metal bar on which the "photocell" "shines".

          apparently an optocoupler or an optocoupler with a gyroscope

          Quote: Committee

          Guys, do not you think that they began to treat us like cattle, like the United States, as if we do not know anything, we don’t understand technology, we don’t work anywhere, listen to rap, drink beer and watch football, and we can "rub in" and about the "meteorite" and about the "tangled wire"?

          100%!!! when you hear something like that, it becomes disgusting that they are pissing insolently into their ears with serious mugs and believe that we simply have to accept a "competent" point of view
        3. Lavr75
          Lavr75 11 July 2013 03: 29
          0
          Look, maybe I'm wrong, but some day even information about the earthquake slipped at the time of launch. I even remember the amplitude of 2.5 points, then disappeared very quickly, but what was there is for sure! angry
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 10 July 2013 09: 33
      +9
      In short, the electrician is to blame, the contacts are not correctly connected. In short tryndets man, the guilty nayden, the case is closed hi
      1. Tersky
        Tersky 10 July 2013 09: 44
        13
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        In short tryndets man, the guilty nayden, the case is closed

        Sasha hi ! Otherwise, there can be no switchmen in the state. Here's how to work: 1 September, 1 class. Teacher
        says:
        - Children, you came to school. Here you need
        sit quietly, and if you want something
        ask - you need to raise your hand.
        Little Vovochka pulls a hand ... - You want to ask something, Vovochka?
        - No, just checking how it works
        system. And I have already announced the version of the fall of the next carrier with GLONASS satellites, they terribly interfere with someone in orbit. They are looking for an "electrician" in the wrong place.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 10 July 2013 09: 57
          +3
          Quote: Tersky
          Otherwise, it cannot be in the state of switchmen

          Well, do not punish the authorities themselves, should be (appointed) guilty of all troubles laughing
          Hello Victor hi
    3. GreatRussia
      GreatRussia 10 July 2013 10: 15
      0
      "Proton" exploded due to childish mistakes

      In fact, this has always been called negligence.

      "Measure seven times, cut once" has not yet been canceled.
      1. cosmos111
        cosmos111 10 July 2013 10: 38
        +1
        Quote: GreatRussia
        In fact, this has always been called negligence.

        This is called criminal negligence. Multi-billion dollar losses + the ban of Karakhstan on Proton flights. The fall of Russia's image as a "great" "great space power is in the past.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 10 July 2013 11: 12
          0
          Quote: cosmos111
          This is called criminal negligence. Multi-billion dollar losses + the ban of Karakhstan on flights of Protons. The fall of the image of Russia as a "great" "space power

          And the simple electrician who mixed up + and - is to blame for all this wassat
    4. svp67
      svp67 10 July 2013 14: 16
      0
      Quote: Grishka100watt
      achrinet ((


      Honestly - surprised. They also had an initial version of an early start. Well, they would have blamed Aunt Masha, the cleaning lady, for everything ... belay
  2. NIK 163
    NIK 163 10 July 2013 08: 16
    +6
    Who collected it then, probably migrant workers from Tajikistan.
    1. Natalia
      Natalia 10 July 2013 09: 56
      +1
      Well, no, really .... I thought they (gaster) only put paving tiles and they also collect rockets along the way. We are so at risk of sliding down to the level of the DPRK in which of the three missiles: the first fell not there, the second did not take off at all, and the third is still under construction. True, they have ICBMs, but the trouble has begun. If the "guest workers" continue to collect missiles, then the Yars and Topols will have problems. The economic side of the issue is 4 rubles, the price of a faulty sensor. The political side of the issue undermines the authority on the world stage .... and the expression "but we are making missiles" does not sound so proud anymore.
      1. Natalia
        Natalia 10 July 2013 10: 40
        +3
        I don’t want to seem old-fashioned, but under Scoop, they definitely shot someone for such a fall.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 10 July 2013 11: 14
          +1
          Quote: Natalia
          Don't want to seem old fashioned

          Looking at your avatar this will not seem wink
          Quote: Natalia
          but under Scoop, they definitely shot someone for such a fall.

          Natasha, do not worry, the guilty electrician will be punished so that he will regret everything in the world. Innocent authorities will be awarded and awarded accordingly winked
          1. r.swistunov
            r.swistunov 10 July 2013 12: 29
            0
            Punishment of the innocent and rewarding of those not involved.
          2. svp67
            svp67 10 July 2013 15: 04
            0
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Natasha, do not worry, the guilty electrician will be punished so that he will regret everything in the world. Innocent authorities will be awarded and awarded accordingly

            And it's a pity, I just want to say - well, how can we DO NOT ENOUGH Stalin, or at least Lukashenko, that he "fucked up" everyone in Roscosmos from the head to the last cleaning lady ...
        2. Petrucho
          Petrucho 10 July 2013 11: 36
          +3
          Natalia, I'm afraid to seem even more old-fashioned, but I was personally jarred when you called the country in which I and probably many of the members of the forum were born, pejoratively - "Scoop", despite the fact that, apparently, they wrote about this country in a positive way. Let's be more respectful of our history.
    2. vlad767
      vlad767 14 July 2013 09: 18
      0
      Ravshan and Jumshut collected it, to be more precise.
  3. Airman
    Airman 10 July 2013 08: 18
    16
    The loss of qualified personnel in the literal sense led to disaster, it is good that without human casualties.
    1. Bronis
      Bronis 10 July 2013 08: 35
      +7
      Tricky question. But in principle, is it possible not to detect such an error before the start. After all, as far as we know, a booster passes through several stages of verification. Including - prelaunch. Check everything that is possible, including power circuits and sensors.
      And in general, a question for specialists. The footage shows that even before the "hunting for desert gulls" a dark orange plume (heptyl?) Appears in the area of ​​the nozzle of one of the engines. Could it be so: one of the engines had a malfunction, went into an abnormal mode of operation (lost power). Further - everything is visible ...
      1. Vovka levka
        Vovka levka 10 July 2013 08: 55
        13
        Quote: Bronis
        Tricky question. But in principle, is it possible not to detect such an error before the start. After all, as far as we know, a booster passes through several stages of verification. Including - prelaunch. Check everything that is possible, including power circuits and sensors.

        If done as it should, then elementary.
        This error is still visible at the factory. Hang noodles on your ears.
        1. Bronis
          Bronis 10 July 2013 12: 56
          +1
          Quote: Vovka Levka
          Hang noodles on your ears

          Bon Appetit everyone!
        2. StolzSS
          StolzSS 10 July 2013 12: 56
          +1
          I agree with you, this rocket already hell knows what in a row all verification procedures should be configured, and the staff is well trained. For the naive fools, they composed and rubbed the glasses now ... it’s clear that the matter is either sabotage or financial losses written off as if by cunning ... what
  4. Edward72
    Edward72 10 July 2013 08: 21
    +9
    Of course, we’ll carry all kinds of crap on our Unions, they’ll review everything there 10 times. And so you can write off how much money sometimes the question even begs if there were Glonasy
    1. Natalia
      Natalia 10 July 2013 10: 39
      +1
      Quote: Edward72
      sometimes even the question begs and were there Glonasy

      A very correct and very true idea, 4 billion rubles of money that can be invested in a family, well, or in a family who now receives these money.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 10 July 2013 11: 15
        +1
        Quote: Natalia
        4 billion rubles that can be invested in a family

        Hrenasseyee investments in your family wassat
        1. Dober
          Dober 10 July 2013 13: 33
          +1
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          in your family

          Apparently, it meant "investment in" the Neapolitan "family".
          Well, or, if you like, in the "Kremlin-Rublevskaya".
          And there 4 billion rubles - pocket expenses.
  5. AK-47
    AK-47 10 July 2013 08: 21
    +4
    "there was no proper control and inspection before launching the rocket"

    Thank God there were no people there and no one died on the territory of the cosmodrome.
  6. pensioner
    pensioner 10 July 2013 08: 21
    +4
    Don’t do it again, Vasya ...
    1. treskoed
      treskoed 10 July 2013 08: 38
      +5
      Quote: retired
      Don’t do it again, Vasya ...

      What if John did it?
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 10 July 2013 08: 46
        +2
        Quote: treskoed
        What if John did it?

        Don’t do it anymore ... And the control in the head ...
    2. Airman
      Airman 10 July 2013 08: 38
      +2
      Quote: retired
      Don’t do it again, Vasya ...


      We found the switchman, there the wires are different in color. Surely either counterfeit parts, or Chinese electronics. Effective managers - saved.
  7. valokordin
    valokordin 10 July 2013 08: 24
    11
    But what if not sabotage. It is foolish in such a case to refer to children's mistakes. Definitely a diversion to hide theft in the industry. Return Lavrenty Pavlovich and punish the pests.
    1. Misantrop
      Misantrop 10 July 2013 08: 41
      +6
      Quote: valokordin
      It is foolish in such a case to refer to children's mistakes. Definitely a diversion to hide theft in the industry.
      In technically complex products, there is no need for a saboteur to drag explosives onto an object. Incorrect sensor connection is enough. That's just to be sure you need to know what exactly reconnect. Well, to be sure that the pre-launch check will not be carried out
      1. Vovka levka
        Vovka levka 10 July 2013 09: 00
        +1
        Quote: Misantrop
        Incorrect sensor connection is enough. That's just to be sure you need to know what exactly reconnect. Well, to be sure that the pre-launch check will not be carried out

        Dear, if you think one hundred people are doing this, then you are mistaken. Such an error, if it were to be calculated at the factory. This process has been worked out for years. The sensor could fail during start-up, it is. But the wires are mixed up, this is ridiculous. Hang noodles on your ears.
        1. Misantrop
          Misantrop 10 July 2013 09: 18
          +2
          Quote: Vovka Levka
          if you think one hundred one person does it

          Well, not a hundred, less nevertheless lol And what about working out for years, google the nuclear accident on the "K-140". There - exactly the polarity reversal. Only not an automatic sensor, but a drive for emergency lowering of the KR. Or the explosions at the launch of rockets in 1986. I had a chance to test one of these on my own skin (when it took off at the start). There was no spy there, the "penguin in love" did his best in the factory's quality control department. The girl rejected him, moron ...
          1. Vovka levka
            Vovka levka 10 July 2013 14: 43
            -2
            Quote: Misantrop

            Well, not a hundred, less nevertheless lol And what about working out for years, google the nuclear accident on the "K-140". There - exactly the polarity reversal. Only not an automatic sensor, but a drive for emergency lowering of the KR. Or the explosions at the launch of rockets in 1986. I had a chance to test one of these on my own skin (when it took off at the start). There was no spy there, the "penguin in love" did his best in the factory's quality control department. The girl rejected him, moron ...

            The human factor is always there, it was and will be.
            To avoid this, a technical regulation was developed. And if everything is done according to it, then everything will be fine and all errors will be found and fixed. But if you hammer a bolt on him, then there will be problems. Question to the staff. There is no question that the rocket fell due to the human factor, because man created it. But plus with the minus of the sensor, this is just ridiculous. Such an error is visible. I don’t know where to look, and what to do in order to not see her.
  8. fisherman
    fisherman 10 July 2013 08: 24
    +3
    angular velocity sensors - at the time of their connection, the "plus" and "minus" poles were swapped.


    about the same thing happened in Soviet times, with one difference - very rarely

    because the execution of operations was then double-checked (more than once)
  9. KazaK Bo
    KazaK Bo 10 July 2013 08: 34
    +7
    If this is true, then from the Head of Roscosmos to the leaders of the assembly and assembly shops, work stations, it is urgent to change jobs - cozy offices and warm shops should be changed to logging. My whole service went with a very complicated technique and from experience I know how to assemble, assemble, prepare various products for use - check once, then duplicate, CFS of different levels, and then ...
    This laxity in working with complex systems is a consequence of the fact that the final signatures on "WELCOME" are given by one person ... and for manufacturing, and for assembly, and for installation and preparation for launch ... Everything depends administratively, financially on his will ... Yes, there must be one unifying center. But this center should put the final point only when representatives of various design bureaus and assembly plants, INDEPENDENT from each other and from the leadership of ROSCOSMOS, will issue their visas. Then there will be personal responsibility, and not universal circular irresponsibility.
    1. not good
      not good 10 July 2013 09: 09
      +3
      Lack of personal responsibility for the end result is a disaster in modern Russia. If this private production owner quickly finds an extreme, and if the state-the higher, the less responsibility and the less the official risks for unfulfilled work. There are dozens of examples before the eyes. according to the law, rigidly prescribed personal responsibility, nothing will change. In the end, if the VVS values ​​"valuable personnel" so much, let them not be shot, but simply demoted, there will already be some effect.
      1. Airman
        Airman 10 July 2013 09: 29
        +1
        Quote: Negoro
        Lack of personal responsibility for the end result is a disaster in modern Russia. If this private production owner quickly finds an extreme, and if the state-the higher, the less responsibility and the less the official risks for unfulfilled work. There are dozens of examples before the eyes. according to the law, rigidly prescribed personal responsibility, nothing will change. In the end, if the VVS values ​​"valuable personnel" so much, let them not be shot, but simply demoted, there will already be some effect.


        As the sergeant-servant was lowered - from the Minister of Defense to the deputy to the redhead. EVERYTHING - CLEAN!
  10. Canep
    Canep 10 July 2013 08: 37
    +2
    On the fact of the accident was a criminal case under Art. 216 of the Criminal Code ("Violation of safety rules in the conduct of mining, construction or other works").

    I wonder how sideways they came to this article for this case, it is clear: Article 351. Violation of flight rules or preparation for them.
    1. Captain Vrungel
      Captain Vrungel 10 July 2013 08: 58
      +3
      Apparently there were no flight rules or preparation for them, so they picked up article 216 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation in the part "... or other works."
  11. Whale
    Whale 10 July 2013 08: 38
    +7
    Noodles doshirak on the ears of our readers to connect the device in a different way with a pole change is simply impossible it’s all the same that the generator in the car put upside down

    pleases me with "a source close to the investigation." and it will pass
    the current will not find the culprit "it is not possible to find the culprit in the wrong connection due to the large volume of verified work
  12. bunta
    bunta 10 July 2013 08: 40
    13
    It is impossible to swap the poles at the "moment of connection" of the sensor, the sensor is connected via a soldered connector to prevent incorrect connection! You can confuse the wires in production when unsoldering. But. Wires of different colors, and besides, ALL harnesses (cables), according to the process technology, are called on special stands not only for correct wiring, but also for the integrity of the circuit. As they say - hammer Pushkin's brains, gentlemen. But the smoky plume clearly indicates burnout in the engine area. Where it is more likely to be defective in assembly, welding or metal quality.
    1. Vovka levka
      Vovka levka 10 July 2013 09: 01
      +2
      Quote: bunta
      It is impossible to swap the poles at the "moment of connection" of the sensor, the sensor is connected via a soldered connector to prevent incorrect connection! You can confuse the wires in production when unsoldering. But. Wires of different colors, and besides, ALL harnesses (cables), according to the process technology, are called on special stands not only for correct wiring, but also for the integrity of the circuit. As they say - hammer Pushkin's brains, gentlemen. But the smoky plume clearly indicates burnout in the engine area. Where it is more likely to be defective in assembly, welding or metal quality.

      Totally agree with you.
      Hang noodles on ears.
    2. Misantrop
      Misantrop 10 July 2013 09: 24
      +4
      Quote: bunta
      It is impossible to swap the poles at the "moment of connection" of the sensor, the sensor is connected via a soldered connector to prevent incorrect connection!

      This is exactly what excludes randomness erroneous connection. Which significantly narrows the circle of persons who might be involved in this. In our time, this for a special department was quite enough to calculate the REALLY guilty
    3. avt
      avt 10 July 2013 10: 09
      +1
      Quote: bunta
      It is impossible to swap the poles at the "moment of connection" of the sensor, the sensor is connected via a soldered connector to prevent incorrect connection!

      I will not say for this particular case with 500 hundred, but in times distant, now almost epic, we are not remembered with laughter, but then there was no time for jokes, there were "craftsmen" worse than saboteurs. I haven't seen it myself, but once the guys from a business trip came and told how one clown connected mom and mom, but the truth was, at the stage of verification, they somehow managed to catch it.
      1. fisherman
        fisherman 10 July 2013 10: 55
        +1
        They told how one clown connected mom and mom.


        these are real facts of unique situations

        one of such unique ones escaped with a teaching position :)

        probably there was nowhere to go, or a hairy paw
      2. Garrin
        Garrin 10 July 2013 10: 58
        +1
        Quote: avt
        The connectors were connected in such a way - you will have a good laugh, dad and dad easily, I haven’t seen it myself, but since the guys from the business trip arrived and told how one clown connected mom and mom.

        With a fool, you can break the causal place. My friend managed to shove two cassettes into the car radio. True, he was very drunk.
        1. Dober
          Dober 10 July 2013 13: 57
          0
          Quote: Garrin
          a friend managed to shove two cassettes into the car radio.

          It is unlikely, but the "specialist" can.
          And here is a similar case in my memory, when two CDs stuck together (from a beer), they put it in the same place, it took place.
          And after all, played a shed. wassat
  13. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 10 July 2013 08: 42
    +1
    Lousy damn !!!
  14. Alex66
    Alex66 10 July 2013 08: 44
    +4
    Well, as it’s not believable, when connecting use special connectors that exclude the wrong connection. Well, a bunch of tests that would reveal this.
  15. Nikolski1973
    Nikolski1973 10 July 2013 08: 45
    +3
    Where is the acceptance, where is the control - and they are simply not there, everything is formally both the commission and the assembly. We have a lot of people, we can come up with new taxes, raise gas prices so that we can again build new satellites and a rocket and again all this ......... The question is, when will they put it down for this?
  16. baltika-18
    baltika-18 10 July 2013 08: 46
    +4
    Oh, how ........
    Locksmiths are vile to blame ......
    The bosses are always good ......
    Everything with our system is clear.
    1. fisherman
      fisherman 10 July 2013 09: 48
      -1
      Of course, everything has been clear with this system for a long time:

      baltika-18 (2) July 8, 2013 13:25 pm ^
      Quote: Mairos
      Good luck to you! Mine is coming this year too. )))


      And I have another problem. The daughter of the university has finished. We must look for work.
      Therefore, you have to go by the already normal way. Connect connections and money.
      Cynical, but the system rules. Do not go to her after 5 years of study as a seller.
      1. baltika-18
        baltika-18 10 July 2013 10: 02
        +1
        Quote: fisherman
        Therefore, you have to go by the already normal way. Connect connections and money.

        Do you think that I should have acted differently?
        Show so to speak by personal example .....
        1. fisherman
          fisherman 10 July 2013 10: 48
          0
          Of course, you should always start with yourself

          But have you ever wondered why this happens when a head is cut off from a hydra, a new one, or even two, grows in its place?

          "As a result of the poll, it turned out that 85% of the population consider all businessmen, deputies, officials to be thieves, while 85% of the respondents would like to be in their place"

          fish should always be cleaned from the tail
          1. baltika-18
            baltika-18 10 July 2013 22: 31
            +1
            Quote: fisherman
            fish should always be cleaned from the tail

            Before you clean the fish, your rotten head is chopped off, because it is not needed.
            Only stinks, but no use.
            1. Normal
              Normal 10 July 2013 23: 04
              0
              Quote: baltika-18
              Before you clean the fish, your rotten head is chopped off, because it is not needed.
              Only stinks, but no use.

              Andrey, with whom are you polemicizing? Read the posts of the "fisherman". He offers to leave the head and clean the tail. Apparently he positions himself in his head.
              1. Normal
                Normal 11 July 2013 09: 40
                0
                Quote: Normal
                Quote: baltika-18
                Before you clean the fish, your rotten head is chopped off, because it is not needed.
                Only stinks, but no use.
                Andrey, who are you arguing with?

                I'm sorry, Nikolai. Again I called you Andrey, I need to make a notch for myself ... Once again, I apologize.
            2. Cynic
              Cynic 11 July 2013 18: 01
              0
              Quote: baltika-18
              Before you clean the fish, your rotten head is chopped off, because it is not needed.

              And you are a gourmet old man.
      2. Normal
        Normal 10 July 2013 22: 57
        -1
        Quote: fisherman
        Therefore, you have to go the way that has already become the usual way. Connect the connections and money. It's cynical, but the system rules. Do not go to her after 5 years of study as a seller.

        Ah well done! And then without a shadow of doubt and a twinge of conscience
        fish should always be cleaned from the tail

        Well, clean yourself, beloved, from the tail. Send daughter to wash the floors. Let this world begin to change from the bottom. Nothing to blame on the system. You need to pick up a mop or a broom, and so step by step, gradually approve
        the primacy of civil society over the Throne (over the Kremlin, over local authorities and Moscow authorities, over the state in general)

        Weak, Schwonder?
  17. dojjdik
    dojjdik 10 July 2013 08: 46
    +4
    stupidity is that our creators of "glonass" will not understand in any way that until all design bureaus are classified, we will simply not be allowed to launch this project; change of staff and complete closeness - billions of dollars in income that states receive from their communication satellites and suddenly we climb with our "glonas", not to mention the scams of the Russian Space Agency
  18. Mizhgan
    Mizhgan 10 July 2013 08: 48
    +1
    Hmm, the version looks absurd ... The self-test mode of electronic components should have revealed this jamb. So it is hardly worth trusting such a source.
  19. ed65b
    ed65b 10 July 2013 08: 57
    +1
    Otmazyvatsya, the more ridiculous the version the easier it is to believe in it. In Plesetsk, when the missile was purged, the officer was young, he put the pressure control lever in the wrong direction, blew it so that all the hatches increased. Simple negligence = smut in the search at the launch site for the steps, cut, fit, riveting and pray to God during the launch so that it does not fall. Of course, you can mix up clems, but only if you are very drunk. And the color is different and the size and testing.
    1. Strashila
      Strashila 10 July 2013 09: 07
      +3
      "And the color is different and the size and testing" ... the bratelnik was at a training camp in the 80s, there the calculation in the rocket complex, in preparation for launch, managed to connect the control cable 180 degrees per revolution ... the funny thing is that they connected it with their hands, in spite of the protection from the fool, but they could only undock with the help of a sledgehammer. It was revealed naturally during a banal system check for readiness ... the test did not pass.
      1. Dober
        Dober 10 July 2013 14: 12
        0
        Quote: Strashila
        I managed to connect the control cable 180 degrees per revolution ... the funny thing is that they connected it by hand, despite the protection from the fool, but could only undock using a sledgehammer.

        Not an exceptional case. The costs of our Sovetsky industry, when, for the sake of reliability (metal consumption), engineers came up with such connectors that they will not crack under the tractor. When a low-current 12 volt plug could be used as a dumbbell. In this regard, the Chinese are more thoughtful. Try connecting the two pins in their products. Yes, he will either stand up as a native with a little effort, or fall apart from overstrain, but he will not finish it.
        Recently, my wife asked by phone how to connect a case fan to a computer. The answer was laconic - "By typing method, where it will fit" After 20 minutes, it calls - "I found a free space, it just stuck, everything works."
  20. Strashila
    Strashila 10 July 2013 09: 02
    0
    Each time it’s more crazy than excuses ... that after assembling the rocket was not checked, the chains did not ring out ??? But everyone saw a problem with the engine ... that it was silent.
  21. bomg.77
    bomg.77 10 July 2013 09: 03
    +2
    The pressure in the engine of the machine does not drop, even if the oil pressure sensor does not work. The sensor detects how the unit works and does not affect the operation.
    1. Cpa
      Cpa 10 July 2013 19: 28
      0
      There is a crankshaft position sensor in the car, if it does not work, the car does not drive. Often, control or correction signals are received from the sensors.
  22. FunkschNNX
    FunkschNNX 10 July 2013 09: 06
    0
    And to put a connector so that only in the correct position it is connected or the terminals in different colors to paint is apparently not fate.
    Either they are nerds or they keep us for idiots.
  23. AlexTarov
    AlexTarov 10 July 2013 09: 13
    0
    Lack of control, irresponsibility, criminal negligence are not "childish mistakes".
  24. does it
    does it 10 July 2013 09: 16
    +1
    At the same time, another informed source in the space industry said that "there was no proper monitoring and verification before launching the rocket." "There is information that the state commission, which is traditionally held on the eve of the launch, has either not been conducted at all or has been reduced to pure formality," he stressed.
    belay And the priests there for what? A blessed rocket should fly in spite of those. limitations. laughing but seriously! again looking for a scapegoat. recourse
  25. 203 GOTBPDA
    203 GOTBPDA 10 July 2013 09: 23
    +3
    The big mistake of the editorial staff to let such nonsense into print. For several years I worked on testing first-stage engines at KB Energomash. It is impossible to mix poles when connecting a sensor. Multistage control. All systems are duplicated. My opinion is that they are looking for the switchman.
    1. Misantrop
      Misantrop 10 July 2013 09: 39
      +3
      Quote: 203 GOTBPDA
      It is impossible to mix poles when connecting a sensor. Multistage control. All systems are duplicated.
      I repeat, several explosions in a row at the launch of missiles of the BDRM complex in 1986 were the result of a "love fever" at an employee of the Quality Control Department of a rocket plant. This idiot "took revenge on the girl" ... And the reason was discovered by accident by a sailor at RTB SF. Checked before shipment to the ship and "rested his horn" that SO sealed The circuit simply CANNOT BE CONNECTED.

      Well, the nuclear accident on the K-140 was just the result of incorrect marking of the power supply of the emergency lowering key of the KR. It was connected correctly, but the marking did not match. And KIPovets, checking his management before a comprehensive check, reconnected "correctly", without informing ANYONE about it ...
      1. avt
        avt 10 July 2013 12: 10
        +1
        Quote: Misantrop
        And KIPovets, checking his management before a comprehensive check, reconnected "correctly", without informing ANYONE about it ...

        good And I suppose I didn't write it down in the journal. In general, the first thing Barmin read to us at his lectures was a sacher with electrical connectors, as they were, at the beginning of glorious deeds, after the analysis of accidents, the Central Committee commissions were sanding demanding to introduce absolute protection from the fool, a sore spot was, is and will be.
  26. niecke
    niecke 10 July 2013 09: 28
    +1
    everything would be fine, you just had to come across a nice technique, so you just won’t confuse the polarity-dad-mom circuitry with multi-sized connectors on + - !!! so crap is it! and even two or three times duplication ... so it's just the collapse of the entire industry !!!
  27. RVS
    RVS 10 July 2013 09: 30
    +2
    You know, but I can believe in this ... My friend works at TsSKB-PROGRESS, he told so many horrors.
    It was such that one craftsman soldered some modules of the same type (and the entire batch) through w (i.e., just like in the article). All this miracle passed all the checks, and only at the last moment did some grandfather notice the setup ...
    So everything is possible in our country ...
    1. fisherman
      fisherman 10 July 2013 09: 59
      0
      there are also such craftsmen who dock connectors that do not correspond to each other, they cannot be docked to a normal person ("protection from a fool"), but they somehow managed ... unique personalities
  28. shamil
    shamil 10 July 2013 09: 31
    0
    during the explosion, everything melted, plus it’s all-over. It just fell and they don’t know the reasons
  29. IRBIS
    IRBIS 10 July 2013 09: 32
    +8
    Who has a car? Open the hood and try to connect the wrong connectors. Does it work? And I can't. So, is the rocket something like an iron that a woman repairs? I think that the version with "postings" is not consistent. And if this is really so, then the entire Roskosmos should burn out of shame!
    1. fisherman
      fisherman 10 July 2013 10: 00
      0
      I quote myself

      there are also such craftsmen who dock connectors that do not correspond to each other, they cannot be docked to a normal person ("protection from a fool"), but they somehow managed ... unique personalities
    2. knn54
      knn54 10 July 2013 12: 12
      +1
      Fisherman-On Baikonur there was a case - "they managed to dock" mom "with" mom. "
      It is high time to release domestic electronic components, and not use Chinese garbage.
      When there was incoming control, military acceptance + professionalism of employees was not like that. And it’s time to equate slovenliness with sabotage / sabotage / sabotage.
      FIND FOR A SPY!
    3. MG42
      MG42 10 July 2013 14: 06
      +2
      Quote: IRBIS
      Who has a car? Open the hood and try to connect the connectors "wrong"

      The fuses will burn at least, minus the mass, which will be eaten by connecting, plus it is better not to experiment ..
  30. fzr1000
    fzr1000 10 July 2013 09: 33
    +1
    And what is the .... difference between children or not children? Does this make a big difference? It’s even worse that such a result is such a result.
  31. Mareman Vasilich
    Mareman Vasilich 10 July 2013 09: 36
    +4
    Whatever one may say, but the version of sabotage with this "Proton" is very relevant.
  32. individual
    individual 10 July 2013 09: 40
    +1
    This "specialist" and his supervisors who have confused the poles, "plus" and "minus" must be inserted into *** and let it boil until the cost of the marriage is paid.
  33. Scandinavian
    Scandinavian 10 July 2013 09: 47
    0
    I should be ashamed of such work
  34. Garrin
    Garrin 10 July 2013 09: 51
    +7
    For some reason a scene from "Prisoner of the Caucasus" came to mind.
    "- Two bottles of wine.
    - Three...
    - Write three. Thrown into the abyss. "
    1. cherkas.oe
      cherkas.oe 10 July 2013 10: 15
      0
      Quote: Garrin
      - Write three. Thrown into the abyss. "

      And before this incident, how much was thrown into the abyss. In my opinion, they just dashed off a new scheme of theft of money, it’s time for the FSB to deal with this matter closely, and not send the commission and threaten with a finger. request
  35. viruskvartirus
    viruskvartirus 10 July 2013 09: 53
    +3
    In my opinion, this is a much more plausible version "According to Kommersant, it is the failure of one of the six engines that the commission considers as the main cause of the accident. At the same time, a more precise definition is given: the engine failure could have occurred due to problems with the fuel line." it is a blockage, burnout or something else, it will be possible to say for sure only after we receive the decryption of telemetry data, ”the source said.
  36. siberko
    siberko 10 July 2013 10: 00
    0
    Quote: Povshnik
    Quote: retired
    Don’t do it again, Vasya ...


    We found the switchman, there the wires are different in color. Surely either counterfeit parts, or Chinese electronics. Effective managers - saved.


    That's right, they saved ... now everything is done according to Law 94-FZ, its principle is obvious, everything is purchased at the lowest price (that is, the most bullshit) and they build it
  37. Hellriker
    Hellriker 10 July 2013 10: 01
    0
    absolution found, everyone is happy. And officials raise their salaries 2.6 times.
  38. SAM0SA
    SAM0SA 10 July 2013 10: 06
    +3
    Quote: Vovka Levka
    They are looking for a switchman to calm their bosses.

    Quote: 203 GOTBPDA
    My opinion is that they are looking for the switchman.

    Quote: kvirit
    again looking for a scapegoat.

    Quote: Edward72
    And so it’s possible to write off how much money sometimes even begs the question: were there Glonasy

    Quote: Vovka Levka
    Hang noodles on your ears.

    Quote: Whale
    Noodles Doshirak on the ears of our readers

    Quote: baltika-18
    Locksmiths are vile to blame ......
    The bosses are always good ......

    Quote: Strashila
    Each time, all the more crazy excuses ...

    ...
  39. RVS
    RVS 10 July 2013 10: 07
    0
    Quote: IRBIS
    Who has a car? Open the hood and try to connect the wrong connectors. Does it work? And I can't. So, is the rocket something like an iron that a woman repairs? I think that the version with "postings" is not consistent. And if this is really so, then the entire Roskosmos should burn out of shame!

    You are a little confused. Cars are produced in huge quantities, hundreds of factories STAMP TYPICAL PARTS!
    Most of the rocket filling is assembled in single batches under certain conditions. In addition, some of the modules are assembled almost on the knee. And now imagine how this or that block, which was assembled in a neighboring workshop from what was, begins to be brought to TYPICAL dimensions and supplied with a "standard" fastener. There, in theory, it will not be blondes, for whom there is no difference between "+" and "-", but highly educated specialists! .. in theory ...
  40. cherkas.oe
    cherkas.oe 10 July 2013 10: 07
    0
    Well, they froze, so they froze, this is a cheap excuse for nursing babies and old people who have gone out of their minds. Even the simplest computer on the washing machine detects the wrong polarity of the connection and blocks the inclusion of the power controller, but here the Booster is nonsense worthy of "managers".
  41. nod739
    nod739 10 July 2013 10: 09
    +2
    one, not a duplicated sensor, and even during the check before start it was not detected, and what- found charred terminals ??? Yes, and clemera clever geometrically different, -fool protection
    the reason is clearly different

    rockets have fallen before, statistics show that as a matter of fact it shows 2-3 crashes per hundred ... or so
    but what is alarming ... 6 GLONASS satellites have been killed over the past few years !!! and this is much higher than the "norm"
  42. Yuri Y.
    Yuri Y. 10 July 2013 10: 14
    +1
    Quote: Mareman Vasilich
    Whatever one may say, but the version of sabotage with this "Proton" is very relevant.

    Especially if you can take advantage of the mess in the industry. Some selectivity suggests this idea, it seems not the first case with GLONASS.
    There is another option. If something systemic with an engine, cover up the firm
    and model. After all, it was always considered that we had the best engines, and here it is. crying
  43. Sergey Medvedev
    Sergey Medvedev 10 July 2013 10: 17
    +2
    This "leak" is about polarity reversal, just noodles for our ears. It doesn't hit my ears, I'm wearing a helmet! soldier
  44. tirazu
    tirazu 10 July 2013 10: 21
    0
    I remember that during the military service in the USSR Air Force I mixed up power wires and antennas on radio stations, as a result, the Yak-28 almost burned out. The contacts were exactly the same, but getting close to them to mark it is very difficult and lazy. The ensign was too lazy to check. -28 created in the same years as Proton))
  45. leon47
    leon47 10 July 2013 10: 21
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    A clumsy attempt to give an explanation (or more correct "powder your brains") of a serious accident. It looks like what the Attorney General did after the death of the Kursk. Who needs such an explanation? And for what? Cause a wave of indignation?
    1. Garrin
      Garrin 10 July 2013 10: 25
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      Quote: leon47
      Who needs these explanations? And for what? To cause a wave of indignation?

      I think that the leadership is not very concerned about our "waves of indignation". am
  46. savoj
    savoj 10 July 2013 10: 31
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    Anything can happen .... I remember a movie about a plane crash, a Boeing would be like. There, before the flight, the sensors for altitude or pressure were sealed with adhesive tape .... it was necessary to do some kind of prevention before the flight. This was done according to the instructions, then the tape had to be removed, but forgotten. So automation did not see an error during take-off and the first hours of flight. So it happens.
    But the Americans are able to do technology.
    So the human factor is always present.
  47. mamba
    mamba 10 July 2013 10: 32
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    It seems to me the most likely version with the failure of one of the engines at the start of the rocket. For a change I offer one more version: sabotage with software. To do this, you need a programmer from your own, a deep mole who adjusts the program so that the engine shuts off at the right time. Ideally, if such a program adjustment is not determined for all types of tests, or at least for those tests that limit the current scan. In this case, no State Commission will ever get to the truth and limit itself to finding a scapegoat after the accident. You don’t have to go far for examples. Due to errors in the software, the missions failed:
    - Mars Climate Orbiter - burned out in the atmosphere of Mars due to an unforgivable error: in the calculations, the Lockheed Martin group used British units of measurement (pound-force), and the NASA group used metric (newton). As a result, the device passed above the surface at an altitude of only 57 km instead of the estimated 140 km;
    - “Mars 1971C” - the Soviet automatic interplanetary station of the third generation of the space program “Mars”. It was intended to study Mars from the orbit of an artificial satellite. After successfully putting into low Earth orbit, the station did not go on the flight path to Mars, because there was no restarting of the engine of the starting block of D. Aprichin - the erroneous value of the starting time of the engine of block D was entered into the software. Due to an error in the discharge, the engine had to start not after several tens of minutes, as the flight program envisaged, but after one and a half hundred hours. The AMS / booster block remained in low Earth orbit. Two days after launch, it entered the dense layers of the earth's atmosphere and burned down;
    - On August 14, 2011, the communications satellite Express M-4 was lost. The cause of the accident was an error in the software of the overclocking unit. The lead developer of the Salyut Design Bureau booster block and the TsNIImash lead scientific organization issued a positive conclusion to the launch purely formally, without even looking at the report;
    - March 12, 2000 when the Zenit-3SL LV (from the ICO-F1 spacecraft) was launched from the offshore launch platform, the 3rd stage with the satellite fell into the ocean. The reason - in the software there was no command to close the electro-pneumatic valve of the 2nd stage of the rocket.
    As for the traditional sloppiness for us, here we are not monopolists. The NOAA-19 meteorological traveler was seriously damaged even at the assembly stage: Lockheed Martin specialists simply dropped it, turning over, because they did not check if the fixing bolts were in place. As a result, its launch was postponed for 6 years. Well, our flight of Soyuz-11 ended tragically as a result of the fact that at the factory, when installing the valve, the tightening force was lower than anticipated. As a result, he spontaneously opened from overload when pyrobolts were triggered during the separation of the household compartment. Through the hole with a diameter of 20 mm all the air came out of the cab. Cosmonauts Volkov, Patsaev and Dobrovolsky died. The numerous failures of Soviet space technology can be found in: http://rocketpolk44.narod.ru/kosmos/kosm-av.htm
    Back in 2011, Popovkin said that he had created task forces that checked the entire progress in the manufacture of spacecraft. It created its own “independent control system” - a departmental quality control system. A single test launch service was created at Baikonur. Those. the functions of the manufacturer and the tester were separated. Test benches of manufacturers were transferred to Roscosmos to control the ground test stage. But somehow it did not work out.
    You should also remember about the almost complete transition to the imported element base in space electronics.
  48. Rriv
    Rriv 10 July 2013 10: 43
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    Quote: viruskvartirus
    Was it a blockage, burnout or something else

    or a sniper bullet flew in
  49. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 10 July 2013 10: 47
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    It's simple, "Proton" brought Russia "greetings from the 90s." Now we will pay for everything, for the dismissal of first-class specialists, for non-payment of salaries to engineers for many months, which contributed to their departure, preparing a bunch of economists and managers with lawyers, no one unnecessary now, for drunken dances and orchestrating an archestrum, dumping drunk out of an airplane under the laughter of the whole world. Eat DEAR RUSSIANS!
  50. bubla5
    bubla5 10 July 2013 10: 55
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    Probably ashamed and dangerous to bring down an entire engine failure