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"Proton" exploded due to childish mistakes

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"Proton" exploded due to childish mistakesThe cause of the crash of the Proton-M launch vehicle, which fell at the Baikonur 2 cosmodrome in July, has been established. This writes the "Moskovsky Komsomolets" with reference to a source close to the investigation.
According to him, the rocket exploded due to the human factor: when assembling the Proton, the angular velocity sensors were incorrectly connected - at the time of their connection the plus and minus poles were confused. Because of this, as explained by the source, the rocket control system immediately after the start began to receive incorrect data from its sensors and, as a result, lost its stable orientation.


Swing rocket from side to side immediately after launch confirms this version. "According to the logic of things, the wrong connection of the sensors should have been detected during a comprehensive verification of the launch vehicle at the factory and at Baikonur," said the source.

At the same time, another informed source in the space industry said that "there was no proper monitoring and verification before launching the rocket." "There is information that the state commission, which is traditionally held on the eve of the launch, has either not been conducted at all or has been reduced to pure formality," he stressed.

The Proton-M launch vehicle, which in the morning of 2 July was supposed to launch three Glonass-M navigation spacecraft into orbit, changed the trajectory at the tenth second of flight, caught fire, fell into the territory of the Baikonur cosmodrome and exploded. Hundreds of tons of extremely toxic fuel, heptyl, spilled on the site of the fall.

On the fact of the accident was a criminal case under Art. 216 of the Criminal Code ("Violation of safety rules in the conduct of mining, construction or other works").

The reasons for the fall of Proton are being investigated at once by two commissions - the state commission, which is under the authority of Roskosmos, and a government commission that conducts an external audit. In addition, as stated by Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin, a technological inspection team will be created, which did not include specialists from the rocket manufacturer, the Khrunichev Center. Officially, the causes of the accident should be named before the end of the month.
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  1. Grishka100watt
    Grishka100watt 10 July 2013 08: 15 New
    +9
    achrinet (( request
    1. afire
      afire 10 July 2013 08: 32 New
      45
      Do you really think that this sensor is not duplicated several times?
      if not, then at least it’s very strange in such an apparatus.
      I personally think that it has been duplicated several times, and the point is that there cannot be one sensor, which is essentially idle.
      1. Varnaga
        Varnaga 10 July 2013 08: 40 New
        54
        The "source" is, to put it mildly, wrong, the connectors on such products have long been made in such a way that it is impossible to mix them up.
        You need to look deeper, the acceptance of Khrunichevites is very much inferior to the same "Progress", where the acceptance staff totals up to 200 people.
        1. Vovka levka
          Vovka levka 10 July 2013 08: 52 New
          22
          Quote: Varnaga
          The "source" is, to put it mildly, wrong, the connectors on such products have long been made in such a way that it is impossible to mix them up.
          You need to look deeper, the acceptance of Khrunichevites is very much inferior to the same "Progress", where the acceptance staff totals up to 200 people.

          Correctly connect the wires to the connector.
          Entangled wires lead, at a minimum, to the sensor’s non-operation and this can be easily seen during testing. In general, how can I now determine if the wires were mixed up? No way. They are looking for a switchman to calm their bosses. Looks rattled strongly.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 10 July 2013 08: 57 New
            53
            Quote: Vovka Levka
            In general, how can I now determine if the wires were mixed up?

            They call them. There are special devices for this.
            Plus, after assembly, they should be tested.

            In short, the article must be renamed. Instead of "Proton" exploded due to a child’s mistake "it is necessary to read" An unknown source of MK voiced children's excuses "
            1. Tersky
              Tersky 10 July 2013 09: 39 New
              12
              Quote: Spade
              "Proton exploded due to a childhood mistake."

              Good day! That's where it’s not a child’s mistake, - At the same time, another informed source in the space industry said that "there was no proper control and verification before the launch of the rocket."and the rest is just babble on the lawn.
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 10 July 2013 10: 02 New
                +1
                Kind.

                Yes, some kind of nonsense is going on. Already super-debugged in the production of "Protons" they began to fall.
                And they, instead of assigning three supervisors to each hard worker, are engaged in shuffling the leadership and reorganizing to ensure that only the right people receive the cash.
                1. svp67
                  svp67 10 July 2013 11: 30 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Spade
                  And they, instead of assigning three supervisors to each hard worker, are engaged in shuffling the leadership and reorganizing to ensure that only the right people receive the cash.

                  And against this background, it seems that someone in black, by the name of Bond, and by the name of James, at night, bypassing all the security and signaling posts, crept up to the rocket and changes the wires ... lol . Well, it's funny. I think if our leaders now, under this case, would have carried out a “cleansing” of the management link, it would be right ...
            2. svp67
              svp67 10 July 2013 11: 26 New
              +1
              Quote: Spade
              Instead of "Proton" exploded due to a child’s mistake "it is necessary to read" An unknown source of MK voiced children's excuses "

              Even if what this unknown source is talking about happened, where were those who were supposed to check all the systems both at the plant itself and at Baikonur?
            3. Lavr75
              Lavr75 10 July 2013 11: 53 New
              +1
              I completely agree, plus, probably not one sensor is installed, but at least a group of sensors. Primary, emergency, emergency. In this case, the information from the sensors falls into the measuring complex, where it is compared and the non-working sensor is ignored, I am not sure about this, but on other products this is the procedure.
              1. igor.borov775
                igor.borov775 11 July 2013 05: 20 New
                0
                Hi, Absolutely correct remark, And the fact that they sounded really baby talk, Just hoped for each other
            4. aviator_IAS
              aviator_IAS 10 July 2013 11: 56 New
              0
              Quote: Spade
              Plus, after assembly, they should be tested.


              Must - not yet a guarantee that we tested
              Judging by...
              A source in the space industry said that “there was no proper control and verification before the launch of the rocket”
            5. Vovka levka
              Vovka levka 10 July 2013 14: 43 New
              +1
              [quote = Lopatov] [quote = Vovka Levka] In general, how can I now determine if the wires were mixed up? [/ quote]
              They call them. There are special devices for this.
              Plus, after assembly, they should be tested.

              / Quote]
              Now it’s impossible, because there is already nothing.
              1. Cynic
                Cynic 10 July 2013 17: 45 New
                +2
                Quote: Vovka Levka
                Now it’s impossible, because there is already nothing.

                Telemetry remained.
        2. mealnik2005
          mealnik2005 10 July 2013 09: 40 New
          +9
          There is a lasting impression about the deliberate destruction of the Glonas satellites and the deliberate delay in deploying the eponymous group. Another question: why is power not itching? "High intelligence" lost the scent?
          1. afire
            afire 10 July 2013 09: 57 New
            +4
            Quote: mealnik2005
            and deliberately delaying the deployment of the same group


            Grouping ALREADY created!
            These 3 satellites flew to the reserve, now there are 2 backup satellites in orbit, 5 were planned.
            enough air to shake idle talk!
          2. Uncle
            Uncle 10 July 2013 11: 01 New
            +4
            Quote: mealnik2005
            It creates a lasting impression about the deliberate destruction of the Glonas satellites and the deliberate delay in deploying the eponymous group.

            Of course! Generally funny to quote "Moscow Komsomolets". This newspaper is for beer loafers. And what kind of source is this that gives Old MK? More reputable publications do not let him on the threshold?
        3. user
          user 10 July 2013 10: 01 New
          +2
          Everyone who has been involved in microelectronics will burst with laughter.
          Well, who has nothing to do with this (for example, Rogozin) they write versions of what happened but that it was not very scary and plausible
          1. Uncle
            Uncle 10 July 2013 13: 22 New
            +3
            Quote: user
            Everyone who has been involved in microelectronics will burst with laughter.

            And what? The rocket sways left and right, which means the polarity of the sensor is reversed, everything is clear. laughing
            1. Lavr75
              Lavr75 10 July 2013 13: 40 New
              +2
              No, it’s just an alternating current, it’s poor and it pumps when when the phase changes to the opposite.
              1. MG42
                MG42 10 July 2013 14: 09 New
                +1
                Quote: Lavr75
                No, it’s just an alternating current, it’s poor and it pumps

                Where does plus and minus come from in alternating current? Are you kidding?
              2. zennon
                zennon 10 July 2013 18: 35 New
                +1
                just an alternating current, here it’s poor and it pumps

                Curious to know the frequency laughing
                1. MG42
                  MG42 10 July 2013 18: 47 New
                  +2
                  Quote: zennon
                  Curious to know the frequency

                  50 Hz as in a network <joke> wink yes there is a lot of humor and also the phase changes places with zero laughing plug the probe into a socket to check that it is not ..
                  39 advantages of this article put ..
          2. Dober
            Dober 10 July 2013 13: 28 New
            +1
            Quote: user
            Everyone who has been involved in microelectronics will burst with laughter.

            Exactly.
            Someone try at least "wrong" to connect the contacts in your computer, the periphery of the mat. fee.
            Yes, there it’s not only impossible to “mix up”, but it’s also impossible to turn the connector over!
            And it’s in a 300-400 dollar box, and then P-P-O-T-O-N ...
            1. igor67
              igor67 10 July 2013 14: 27 New
              +2
              An interesting version, of course, but how can you mix up what cannot be mixed up, in aviation, in general, minus (metalization). It goes to the body, but the connections of the neck and fan, I hope the proton pads do not apply
              1. Cynic
                Cynic 10 July 2013 18: 50 New
                0
                Quote: igor67
                in aviation, generally minus (metalization). Goes to the body

                Is it only in aviation ?!
                wink
            2. Cynic
              Cynic 10 July 2013 18: 44 New
              +1
              Quote: Dober
              Someone try at least "wrong" to connect the contacts in your computer,

              Yes at a time!
              Saw a 6pin upstream power connector plugged upside down!
              fellow
              1. Dober
                Dober 11 July 2013 16: 43 New
                0
                Quote: Cynic
                Yes at a time!
                Saw a 6pin upstream power connector plugged upside down!

                Wires "forward" or what? laughing
                K.G. "foolishly and * uy can break" not only the connector.
                In general, I specifically repeated it on the old PSU. If you break off the latch, it comes in with a little effort, and also comes out. That's just the voltage does not come in, two "empty" contacts are in the wrong place. The other end of the cable, 8-pin to the “mother of the matrior or vidyuhi,” doesn’t want to sit down. He wants to break ...
        4. domokl
          domokl 10 July 2013 10: 10 New
          +6
          Quote: Varnaga
          The "source" is, to say the least

          I don’t even have to doubt it. I think you need to find the switchman. And the best way is to look for him at the bottom ... Worker, technician, engineer ... I don’t want to touch the big ones. And the Deputy Prime Minister sputtered a lot on the TV ...
          1. Tersky
            Tersky 10 July 2013 19: 26 New
            +2
            Quote: domokl
            And the Deputy Prime Minister sputtered a lot on the TV ...

            Alexander, hi ! I myself bought a "box" on special order ... wink heaped up can not good , with rain sensor and wipers with 6 speed, fellow. Moreover, the option is two-way, both from the face of the screen and from the back. The principle of operation is simple when I spit on the screen on the goat faces of the "people of love" the external wipers are triggered when the "broadcasters-promises" start spraying with their saliva. True, there is one defect - the higher the salivation of the latter and the louder the promise, the higher the speed of the external wipers, request, but should work faster internal laughing probably something is wrong with the sensors winked , not otherwise than the polarity is not observed during installation. wink
        5. Committee
          Committee 10 July 2013 11: 49 New
          +1
          Rocket - a "set" of ready-made elements. It is not built like a car or boat. Therefore, "mix up the wire" ...
        6. Cynic
          Cynic 10 July 2013 12: 13 New
          0
          Quote: Varnaga
          The "source" is, to put it mildly, wrong,

          The source to put it mildly voiced one version of the many that are on the network and dumped on our heads!
          Voiced yesterday!
          The only thing that I forgot to indicate is that Glonassa will now be launched on passenger carriers!
          To me, the version about the start of 0.4 earlier is prettier _ Electronics went into discord!
          laughing
        7. танк
          танк 10 July 2013 12: 52 New
          +2
          That's right! You need to look deeper, the scientific potential in jo ... and apparently it is not going to be restored in the near future. We will eat up the remains of the USSR in a word ... Thanks to him.
        8. The comment was deleted.
      2. igor36
        igor36 10 July 2013 08: 40 New
        +8
        Quote: afire
        that it is duplicated several times

        And not only duplicated, but also must be tested after installation at several levels of verification prior to launch.
        1. Canep
          Canep 10 July 2013 08: 46 New
          +5
          On the video at the start, it was clear that some crap flies out of one of the nozzles, dark in color. And how could they establish that the sensor was not connected correctly if nothing was left of the rocket, but what remained was burned in the heptyl flame.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 10 July 2013 09: 01 New
            +3
            Telemetry is checked.
            1. dustycat
              dustycat 10 July 2013 16: 46 New
              +3
              The start-up control computer system would produce a similar error immediately with a live voice. From the very moment of separation from the table, a message would have passed the failure of the control system, transfer to an emergency trajectory.
              And here for a whole week they thought up what to lie.
              In the video you can clearly see the rocket completely loses control and begins to spin.
              Perhaps, just after the breakaway from the table, onboard food disappeared.
              And then she worked purely electromechanics. It is less demanding on power - if only there was enough current in the emergency elements.
              Whereas, for supplying electronics, a voltage of at least certain is necessary.
          2. dustycat
            dustycat 10 July 2013 16: 34 New
            +3
            "Brown feathers" at the start of heptiloc is a normal phenomenon - this is an excess of oxidizing agent. It is he who has a characteristic brown color.
            For heptyl engines, in general, the normal mode of operation with an excess of oxidizing agent is that they work more steadily.
        2. afire
          afire 10 July 2013 08: 59 New
          +4
          Quote: igor36
          Quote: afire
          that it is duplicated several times

          And not only duplicated, but also must be tested after installation at several levels of verification prior to launch.

          in general, such devices simply have to have a system of self-monitoring of the element base. This is feasible on a multiplex and competent Software, a trip to the dvigl something happened, once the smoke was, or they put some kind of sensor scapegoat.
          1. sub307
            sub307 10 July 2013 09: 48 New
            0
            Yes, it seems.
      3. GreatRussia
        GreatRussia 10 July 2013 10: 14 New
        +1
        "Proton" exploded due to childish mistakes

        In fact, this has always been called negligence.

        "Measure seven times, cut once," no one has yet canceled.
      4. xetai9977
        xetai9977 10 July 2013 10: 38 New
        +4
        Most likely, they again bring down the switchman.
      5. Jin
        Jin 10 July 2013 10: 41 New
        +8
        Quote: afire
        Do you really think that this sensor is not duplicated several times?
        if not, then at least it’s very strange in such an apparatus.
        I personally think that it has been duplicated several times, and the point is that there cannot be one sensor, which is essentially idle.


        Personally, I believe that “Proton” was “helped” to lose orientation ... Based on the identified thefts under the Glonass program, someone “writes off” the stolen goods. Just as warehouses are torn in the army, Roscosmos explodes rockets. In 2011, they drowned in the ocean, and now they blew it upright ... If the check was "purely formal", it is not clear what generally flew in the form of a "payload" - 3 satellites with a solid cost or 3 mock satellites a piece. Seriously, cranking it out, in my opinion, is extremely difficult, but if you took it for * opa, to save the skins, I think it's possible. Moreover, by the layout I do not mean a plastic toy, but quite a "satellite", but instead of expensive nodes there is, for example, a chip for 3 bucks "Made in Taiwan." Perhaps this is nonsense, because hundreds of people are busy in the process, but how else to explain such an unprecedented "luck" of Glonass satellites? what
        1. mark1
          mark1 10 July 2013 10: 53 New
          +2
          Quote: Jin
          Personally, I think that Proton was "helped" to lose orientation ..

          I agree. Of all the versions, this is the most logical and believable
        2. afire
          afire 10 July 2013 12: 01 New
          +2
          and I think that helped
        3. maxcor1974
          maxcor1974 10 July 2013 12: 20 New
          +3
          In support of your version, the absence of satellite insurance, only the carrier was insured. After all, if these were “mock-ups” of satellites, then they would not have dared to show them to any insurance company, they would have been seriously checked there.
          1. dustycat
            dustycat 10 July 2013 16: 55 New
            0
            Even more than that.
            In the event of an insured event, it is necessary to conduct an investigation and attach photographs of the destroyed or damaged property to the insurance case. To clearly see what exactly is damaged.
            In this case, with the carrier, the easiest way is to remove a pile of wreckage with serial numbers and that's it. The difficulty is that when shooting bulk models it will be too noticeable that this is the layout.
            Here are the products and did not insure.
            But they could fail in orbit - and this is also insured.
            But only the primary carrier was insured without cargo and booster blocks.
      6. Michael-rl
        Michael-rl 10 July 2013 10: 47 New
        +2
        One gets the feeling that someone simply stole the money, and stuffed cardboard boxes into a rocket and blew it up.
        If those responsible for the satellites themselves were put in a rocket, so that they would deliver them into space, there wouldn’t be a single accident =)))
      7. Committee
        Committee 10 July 2013 11: 41 New
        +8
        Yes, it is duplicated several times, in addition, it is simply mechanically impossible to “confuse”, you can’t insert it. Not in caliber, not in thickness (roughly speaking) you can’t stick your “wrong” wire in the wrong place. As for the DUS specifically, there is no “wire” at all, and if it’s really rough, an elegant metal bar on which the “photocell” “shines”.

        Guys, don’t you think that they started treating us like cattle-diggers, like the USA, as if we don’t know anything, don’t understand the technology, don’t work anywhere, listen to rap, drink beer and watch football, and we can rub it in and about the "meteorite" and about the "confused wire"?
        1. Jin
          Jin 10 July 2013 11: 58 New
          +3
          Quote: Committee
          Guys, and you don’t think that they began to treat us like cattle diggers, like the USA


          My colleague agrees, they lie there in half, thinking that we all do it ... You remember the same story about Kursk, nothing changes and for some reason this does not surprise me ...
          1. Committee
            Committee 10 July 2013 12: 01 New
            +1
            There you go, but a lie gives rise to distrust! It’s okay, people haven’t died as on Kursk.
          2. dustycat
            dustycat 10 July 2013 17: 00 New
            +1
            What else do you expect from lawyers?
            They are wooden in technology, so they believe that everything as they more believe in what is printed. Even if this does not match the readings.
            It is easier for them to prove that the readings of the measuring device are not reliable than to admit that it was what it was.
        2. afire
          afire 10 July 2013 21: 40 New
          +1
          Quote: Committee
          an elegant metal bar on which the "photocell" "shines".

          apparently an optocoupler or an optocoupler with a gyroscope

          Quote: Committee

          Guys, don’t you think that they started treating us like cattle-diggers, like the USA, as if we don’t know anything, don’t understand the technology, don’t work anywhere, listen to rap, drink beer and watch football, and we can rub it in and about the "meteorite" and about the "confused wire"?

          100%!!! when you hear this - it becomes disgusting from the fact that they piss arrogantly in the ears with serious faces and believe that we simply must accept a "competent" point of view
        3. Lavr75
          Lavr75 11 July 2013 03: 29 New
          0
          Look, maybe I'm wrong, but some day even information about the earthquake slipped at the time of launch. I even remember the amplitude of 2.5 points, then disappeared very quickly, but what was there is for sure! angry
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 10 July 2013 09: 33 New
      +9
      In short, the electrician is to blame, the contacts are not correctly connected. In short tryndets man, the guilty nayden, the case is closed hi
      1. Tersky
        Tersky 10 July 2013 09: 44 New
        13
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        In short tryndets man, the guilty nayden, the case is closed

        Sasha hi ! Otherwise, there can be no switchmen in the state. Here's how to work: 1 September, 1 class. Teacher
        says:
        - Children, you came to school. Here you need
        sit quietly, and if you want something
        ask - you need to raise your hand.
        Little Vovochka pulls a hand ... - You want to ask something, Vovochka?
        - No, just checking how it works
        system. And I already voiced the version of the fall of the next carrier with GLONASS satellites, to whom they terribly interfere in orbit. Not there, "electric fitter" is looking.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 10 July 2013 09: 57 New
          +3
          Quote: Tersky
          Otherwise, it cannot be in the state of switchmen

          Well, do not punish the authorities themselves, should be (appointed) guilty of all troubles laughing
          Hello Victor hi
    3. GreatRussia
      GreatRussia 10 July 2013 10: 15 New
      0
      "Proton" exploded due to childish mistakes

      In fact, this has always been called negligence.

      "Measure seven times, cut once," no one has yet canceled.
      1. cosmos111
        cosmos111 10 July 2013 10: 38 New
        +1
        Quote: GreatRussia
        In fact, this has always been called negligence.

        This is called -criminal negligence. Multibillion-dollar losses + the ban of Karakhstan on Proton flights. The fall of Russia's image as a "great" cosmic power great in the past.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 10 July 2013 11: 12 New
          0
          Quote: cosmos111
          This is called -criminal negligence. Multibillion-dollar losses + the ban of Karakhstan on Proton flights. The fall of Russia's image as a "great" space power

          And the simple electrician who mixed up + and - is to blame for all this wassat
    4. svp67
      svp67 10 July 2013 14: 16 New
      0
      Quote: Grishka100watt
      achrinet ((


      Honestly - surprised. They also had an initial version of an early start. Well, they would have blamed Aunt Masha, the cleaning lady, for everything ... belay
  2. NIK 163
    NIK 163 10 July 2013 08: 16 New
    +6
    Who collected it then, probably migrant workers from Tajikistan.
    1. Natalia
      Natalia 10 July 2013 09: 56 New
      +1
      No, really .... I thought they (Gaster) we only lay paving slabs and they also collect rockets along the way. We run the risk of slipping to the DPRK level in which of the three missiles: the first has fallen there, the second has not taken off at all, and the third is still under construction. True, they have ICBMs, but the start of trouble has begun. If the "guest workers" continue to collect missiles, then Yars and Topol will have problems. The economic side of the issue is 4 rubles the price of a faulty sensor. The political side of the issue is undermining authority on the world stage .... and the expression "but we make rockets" does not sound so proud.
      1. Natalia
        Natalia 10 July 2013 10: 40 New
        +3
        I don’t want to seem old-fashioned, but under Scoop, they definitely shot someone for such a fall.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 10 July 2013 11: 14 New
          +1
          Quote: Natalia
          Don't want to seem old fashioned

          Looking at your avatar this will not seem wink
          Quote: Natalia
          but under Scoop, they definitely shot someone for such a fall.

          Natasha, do not worry, the guilty electrician will be punished so that he will regret everything in the world. Innocent authorities will be awarded and awarded accordingly winked
          1. r.swistunov
            r.swistunov 10 July 2013 12: 29 New
            0
            Punishment of the innocent and rewarding of those not involved.
          2. svp67
            svp67 10 July 2013 15: 04 New
            0
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Natasha, do not worry, the guilty electrician will be punished so that he will regret everything in the world. Innocent authorities will be awarded and awarded accordingly

            And it’s a pity, I’d like to say - well, how can we not suffice Stalin, or at least Lukashenko, that he “fucked” everyone in Roscosmos from the head to the last cleaning lady ...
        2. Petrucho
          Petrucho 10 July 2013 11: 36 New
          +3
          Natalia, I’m afraid to seem even more old-fashioned, but I was personally skewed when you, in the country where I and probably many of the members of the forum were born, derogatoryly called “Scoop”, despite the fact that, apparently, they wrote about this country in a positive way. Let us be more respectful of our history.
    2. vlad767
      vlad767 14 July 2013 09: 18 New
      0
      Ravshan and Jumshut collected it, to be more precise.
  3. Airman
    Airman 10 July 2013 08: 18 New
    16
    The loss of qualified personnel in the literal sense led to disaster, it is good that without human casualties.
    1. Bronis
      Bronis 10 July 2013 08: 35 New
      +7
      Tricky question. But in principle, is it possible not to detect such an error before the start. After all, as far as we know, a booster passes through several stages of verification. Including - prelaunch. Check everything that is possible, including power circuits and sensors.
      And in general a question for experts. The frames show that even before the “hunting for desert gulls”, a dark orange plume (heptyl?) Appears in the nozzle area of ​​one of the engines. Could it be like this: one of the engines had a malfunction, went into abnormal operation mode (lost power). Further - everything is visible ...
      1. Vovka levka
        Vovka levka 10 July 2013 08: 55 New
        13
        Quote: Bronis
        Tricky question. But in principle, is it possible not to detect such an error before the start. After all, as far as we know, a booster passes through several stages of verification. Including - prelaunch. Check everything that is possible, including power circuits and sensors.

        If done as it should, then elementary.
        This error is still visible at the factory. Hang noodles on your ears.
        1. Bronis
          Bronis 10 July 2013 12: 56 New
          +1
          Quote: Vovka Levka
          Hang noodles on your ears

          Bon Appetit everyone!
        2. StolzSS
          StolzSS 10 July 2013 12: 56 New
          +1
          I agree with you, this rocket already hell knows what in a row all verification procedures should be configured, and the staff is well trained. For the naive fools, they composed and rubbed the glasses now ... it’s clear that the matter is either sabotage or financial losses written off as if by cunning ... what
  4. Edward72
    Edward72 10 July 2013 08: 21 New
    +9
    Of course, we’ll carry all kinds of crap on our Unions, they’ll review everything there 10 times. And so you can write off how much money sometimes the question even begs if there were Glonasy
    1. Natalia
      Natalia 10 July 2013 10: 39 New
      +1
      Quote: Edward72
      sometimes even the question begs and were there Glonasy

      A very correct and very true idea, 4 billion rubles of money that can be invested in a family, well, or in a family who now receives these money.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 10 July 2013 11: 15 New
        +1
        Quote: Natalia
        4 billion rubles that can be invested in a family

        Hrenasseyee investments in your family wassat
        1. Dober
          Dober 10 July 2013 13: 33 New
          +1
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          in your family

          Apparently, it meant "investing in a" Neapolitan "family".
          Or, if you like, in the Kremlin-Rublev.
          And there 4 billion rubles - pocket expenses.
  5. AK-47
    AK-47 10 July 2013 08: 21 New
    +4
    “there was no proper control and verification before launching the rocket”

    Thank God there were no people there and no one died on the territory of the cosmodrome.
  6. pensioner
    pensioner 10 July 2013 08: 21 New
    +4
    Don’t do it again, Vasya ...
    1. treskoed
      treskoed 10 July 2013 08: 38 New
      +5
      Quote: retired
      Don’t do it again, Vasya ...

      What if John did it?
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 10 July 2013 08: 46 New
        +2
        Quote: treskoed
        What if John did it?

        Don’t do it anymore ... And the control in the head ...
    2. Airman
      Airman 10 July 2013 08: 38 New
      +2
      Quote: retired
      Don’t do it again, Vasya ...


      We found the switchman, there the wires are different in color. Surely either counterfeit parts, or Chinese electronics. Effective managers - saved.
  7. valokordin
    valokordin 10 July 2013 08: 24 New
    11
    But what if not sabotage. It is foolish in such a case to refer to children's mistakes. Definitely a diversion to hide theft in the industry. Return Lavrenty Pavlovich and punish the pests.
    1. Misantrop
      Misantrop 10 July 2013 08: 41 New
      +6
      Quote: valokordin
      It is foolish in such a case to refer to children's mistakes. Definitely a diversion to hide theft in the industry.
      In technically complex products, there is no need for a saboteur to drag explosives onto an object. Incorrect sensor connection is enough. That's just to be sure you need to know what exactly reconnect. Well, to be sure that the pre-launch check will not be carried out
      1. Vovka levka
        Vovka levka 10 July 2013 09: 00 New
        +1
        Quote: Misantrop
        Incorrect sensor connection is enough. That's just to be sure you need to know what exactly reconnect. Well, to be sure that the pre-launch check will not be carried out

        Dear, if you think one hundred people are doing this, then you are mistaken. Such an error, if it were to be calculated at the factory. This process has been worked out for years. The sensor could fail during start-up, it is. But the wires are mixed up, this is ridiculous. Hang noodles on your ears.
        1. Misantrop
          Misantrop 10 July 2013 09: 18 New
          +2
          Quote: Vovka Levka
          if you think one hundred one person does it

          Well, not a hundred, less nevertheless lol And as for practicing for years, google a nuclear accident on the K-140. There is precisely the polarity reversal. Only not an automatic sensor, but an emergency lowering actuator. Or explosions at the launch of rockets in 1986. One of these happened to try on my own skin (when we pulled off at the start). There was no spy there, the "enamored penguin" tried to OTK factory. The girl rejected him, moron ...
          1. Vovka levka
            Vovka levka 10 July 2013 14: 43 New
            -2
            Quote: Misantrop

            Well, not a hundred, less nevertheless lol And as for practicing for years, google a nuclear accident on the K-140. There is precisely the polarity reversal. Only not an automatic sensor, but an emergency lowering actuator. Or explosions at the launch of rockets in 1986. One of these happened to try on my own skin (when we pulled off at the start). There was no spy there, the "enamored penguin" tried to OTK factory. The girl rejected him, moron ...

            The human factor is always there, it was and will be.
            To avoid this, a technical regulation was developed. And if everything is done according to it, then everything will be fine and all errors will be found and fixed. But if you hammer a bolt on him, then there will be problems. Question to the staff. There is no question that the rocket fell due to the human factor, because man created it. But plus with the minus of the sensor, this is just ridiculous. Such an error is visible. I don’t know where to look, and what to do in order to not see her.
  8. fisherman
    fisherman 10 July 2013 08: 24 New
    +3
    angular velocity sensors - at the time of their connection, the plus and minus poles were reversed.


    about the same thing happened in Soviet times, with one difference - very rarely

    because the execution of operations was then double-checked (more than once)
  9. KazaK Bo
    KazaK Bo 10 July 2013 08: 34 New
    +7
    If this is true, then from the Head of Roscosmos to the leaders of the assembly and assembly shops, work stations, it is urgent to change jobs - cozy offices and warm shops should be changed to logging. My whole service went with a very complicated technique and from experience I know how to assemble, assemble, prepare various products for use - check once, then duplicate, CFS of different levels, and then ...
    This slackness in working with complex systems is the result of the fact that one person gives the final signatures for "GOOD" ... both for manufacturing, for assembly, for installation and preparation for launch ... Everything depends on his will, administratively, financially . Yes, there should be one unifying center. But this center should put the last point only when representatives of various design bureaus and assembly plants, independent of each other and from the leadership of ROSKOSMOS, issue their visas. Then personal responsibility will appear, and not universal circular irresponsibility.
    1. not good
      not good 10 July 2013 09: 09 New
      +3
      The lack of personal responsibility for the final result is a disaster in modern Russia. If this private production, the owner quickly finds the extreme, and if the state production, the higher, the less responsibility and the less the official risks for the work that is not done. There are dozens of examples. Until then, there will be no, according to the law, strictly prescribed personal responsibility, nothing will change. In the end, if the GDP values ​​“valuable personnel” so much, let them not shoot, but simply demote them, there will already be some effect.
      1. Airman
        Airman 10 July 2013 09: 29 New
        +1
        Quote: Negoro
        The lack of personal responsibility for the final result is a disaster in modern Russia. If this private production, the owner quickly finds the extreme, and if the state production, the higher, the less responsibility and the less the official risks for the work that is not done. There are dozens of examples. Until then, there will be no, according to the law, strictly prescribed personal responsibility, nothing will change. In the end, if the GDP values ​​“valuable personnel” so much, let them not shoot, but simply demote them, there will already be some effect.


        As the sergeant-servant was lowered - from the Minister of Defense to the deputy to the redhead. EVERYTHING - CLEAN!
  10. Canep
    Canep 10 July 2013 08: 37 New
    +2
    A criminal case was initiated under the art. 216 of the Criminal Code ("Violation of safety rules in mining, construction or other works").

    I wonder how sideways they came to this article for this case, it is clear: Article 351. Violation of flight rules or preparation for them.
    1. Captain Vrungel
      Captain Vrungel 10 July 2013 08: 58 New
      +3
      Apparently there were neither flight rules, nor preparation for them, so they picked up article 216 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation with regard to "... or other works."
  11. Whale
    Whale 10 July 2013 08: 38 New
    +7
    Noodles doshirak on the ears of our readers to connect the device in a different way with a pole change is simply impossible it’s all the same that the generator in the car put upside down

    please me "a source close to the investigation." and will pass
    the current will not find the culprit "to find the culprit in the wrong connection is not possible due to the large volume of tested work
  12. bunta
    bunta 10 July 2013 08: 40 New
    13
    It is impossible to confuse the poles at the “connection moment” of the sensor, the sensor is connected via a soldered connector eliminating incorrect connection! You can mix up the wires in the production when wiring. But. Wires of different colors and in addition ALL the harnesses (cables) for the process technology are dialed on special stands not only for proper wiring but also for the integrity of the circuit. As the saying goes - hammer the brains of Pushkin, gentlemen. But the smoky train clearly indicates burnout in the engine area. Where it is more likely that there is a defect in the assembly, welding or quality of the metal.
    1. Vovka levka
      Vovka levka 10 July 2013 09: 01 New
      +2
      Quote: bunta
      It is impossible to confuse the poles at the “connection moment” of the sensor, the sensor is connected via a soldered connector eliminating incorrect connection! You can mix up the wires in the production when wiring. But. Wires of different colors and in addition ALL the harnesses (cables) for the process technology are dialed on special stands not only for proper wiring but also for the integrity of the circuit. As the saying goes - hammer the brains of Pushkin, gentlemen. But the smoky train clearly indicates burnout in the engine area. Where it is more likely that there is a defect in the assembly, welding or quality of the metal.

      Totally agree with you.
      Hang noodles on ears.
    2. Misantrop
      Misantrop 10 July 2013 09: 24 New
      +4
      Quote: bunta
      It is impossible to confuse the poles at the “connection moment” of the sensor, the sensor is connected via a soldered connector eliminating incorrect connection!

      This is exactly what excludes randomness erroneous connection. Which significantly narrows the circle of persons who might be involved in this. In our time, this for a special department was quite enough to calculate the REALLY guilty
    3. avt
      avt 10 July 2013 10: 09 New
      +1
      Quote: bunta
      It is impossible to confuse the poles at the “connection moment” of the sensor, the sensor is connected via a soldered connector eliminating incorrect connection!

      I can’t say for a specific case with 500 hundred, but back in the distant, now almost epic, we don’t remember laughing, but then it wasn’t a joke; I didn’t see it myself, but since the guys arrived on a business trip and told how one clown connected mom and mom, but they somehow managed to catch it at the verification stage.
      1. fisherman
        fisherman 10 July 2013 10: 55 New
        +1
        They told how one clown connected mom and mom.


        these are real facts of unique situations

        one of such unique ones escaped with a teaching position :)

        probably there was nowhere to go, or a hairy paw
      2. Garrin
        Garrin 10 July 2013 10: 58 New
        +1
        Quote: avt
        The connectors were connected in such a way - you will have a good laugh, dad and dad easily, I haven’t seen it myself, but since the guys from the business trip arrived and told how one clown connected mom and mom.

        With a fool, you can break the causal place. My friend managed to shove two cassettes into the car radio. True, he was very drunk.
        1. Dober
          Dober 10 July 2013 13: 57 New
          0
          Quote: Garrin
          a friend managed to shove two cassettes into the car radio.

          It is unlikely, but a "specialist" can.
          And here is a similar case in my memory, when two CDs stuck together (from a beer), they put it in the same place, it took place.
          And after all, played a shed. wassat
  13. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 10 July 2013 08: 42 New
    +1
    Lousy damn !!!
  14. Alex66
    Alex66 10 July 2013 08: 44 New
    +4
    Well, as it’s not believable, when connecting use special connectors that exclude the wrong connection. Well, a bunch of tests that would reveal this.
  15. Nikolski1973
    Nikolski1973 10 July 2013 08: 45 New
    +3
    Where is the acceptance, where is the control - and they are simply not there, everything is formally both the commission and the assembly. We have a lot of people, we can come up with new taxes, raise gas prices so that we can again build new satellites and a rocket and again all this ......... The question is, when will they put it down for this?
  16. baltika-18
    baltika-18 10 July 2013 08: 46 New
    +4
    Oh, how ........
    Locksmiths are vile to blame ......
    The bosses are always good ......
    Everything with our system is clear.
    1. fisherman
      fisherman 10 July 2013 09: 48 New
      -1
      Of course, everything has been clear with this system for a long time:

      baltika-18 (2) July 8, 2013 13:25 pm ^
      Quote: Mairos
      Good luck to you! Mine is coming this year too. )))


      And I have another problem. The daughter of the university has finished. We must look for work.
      Therefore, you have to go by the already normal way. Connect connections and money.
      Cynical, but the system rules. Do not go to her after 5 years of study as a seller.
      1. baltika-18
        baltika-18 10 July 2013 10: 02 New
        +1
        Quote: fisherman
        Therefore, you have to go by the already normal way. Connect connections and money.

        Do you think that I should have acted differently?
        Show so to speak by personal example .....
        1. fisherman
          fisherman 10 July 2013 10: 48 New
          0
          Of course, you should always start with yourself

          But have you ever wondered why this happens when a head is cut off from a hydra, a new one, or even two, grows in its place?

          "as a result of the survey, it turned out that 85% of the population consider all businessmen, deputies, and officials to be thieves, while 85% of those polled would like to be in their place"

          fish should always be cleaned from the tail
          1. baltika-18
            baltika-18 10 July 2013 22: 31 New
            +1
            Quote: fisherman
            fish should always be cleaned from the tail

            Before you clean the fish, your rotten head is chopped off, because it is not needed.
            Only stinks, but no use.
            1. Normal
              Normal 10 July 2013 23: 04 New
              0
              Quote: baltika-18
              Before you clean the fish, your rotten head is chopped off, because it is not needed.
              Only stinks, but no use.

              Andrey, who are you arguing with? Read the posts of the "fisherman". He suggests leaving the head, and stripping the tail. Apparently he is positioning himself in the head.
              1. Normal
                Normal 11 July 2013 09: 40 New
                0
                Quote: Normal
                Quote: baltika-18
                Before you clean the fish, your rotten head is chopped off, because it is not needed.
                Only stinks, but no use.
                Andrey, who are you arguing with?

                I'm sorry, Nikolai. Again I called you Andrey, I need to make a notch for myself ... Once again, I apologize.
            2. Cynic
              Cynic 11 July 2013 18: 01 New
              0
              Quote: baltika-18
              Before you clean the fish, your rotten head is chopped off, because it is not needed.

              And you are a gourmet old man.
      2. Normal
        Normal 10 July 2013 22: 57 New
        -1
        Quote: fisherman
        Therefore, you have to go the way that has already become the usual way. Connect the connections and money. It's cynical, but the system rules. Do not go to her after 5 years of study as a seller.

        Ah well done! And then without a shadow of doubt and a twinge of conscience
        fish should always be cleaned from the tail

        Well, clean yourself, beloved, from the tail. Send daughter to wash the floors. Let this world begin to change from the bottom. Nothing to blame on the system. You need to pick up a mop or a broom, and so step by step, gradually approve
        the primacy of civil society over the Throne (over the Kremlin, over local authorities and Moscow authorities, over the state in general)

        Weak, Schwonder?
  17. dojjdik
    dojjdik 10 July 2013 08: 46 New
    +4
    stupidity is that our creators of Glonass will not understand in any way, that until all the design bureaus are kept secret, they simply will not let us launch this project; personnel change and complete closure - the billions of dollars in revenue that the states receive from their communications satellites and suddenly we climb with our "glonas", not to mention the scams of the Russian space itself
  18. Mizhgan
    Mizhgan 10 July 2013 08: 48 New
    +1
    Hmm, the version looks absurd ... The self-test mode of electronic components should have revealed this jamb. So it is hardly worth trusting such a source.
  19. ed65b
    ed65b 10 July 2013 08: 57 New
    +1
    Otmazyvatsya, the more ridiculous the version the easier it is to believe in it. In Plesetsk, when the missile was purged, the officer was young, he put the pressure control lever in the wrong direction, blew it so that all the hatches increased. Simple negligence = smut in the search at the launch site for the steps, cut, fit, riveting and pray to God during the launch so that it does not fall. Of course, you can mix up clems, but only if you are very drunk. And the color is different and the size and testing.
    1. Strashila
      Strashila 10 July 2013 09: 07 New
      +3
      "And the color is different and the size and testing" ... the brother-in-law was at the training camp in the 80s, there the crew in the missile system, in preparation for launch, managed to connect the control cable 180 degrees per revolution ... the funny thing is that they connected it by hand, Despite the protection from the fool, they could only undock them using a sledgehammer. It turned out naturally when the system was checked for readiness ... the test failed.
      1. Dober
        Dober 10 July 2013 14: 12 New
        0
        Quote: Strashila
        I managed to connect the control cable 180 degrees per revolution ... the funny thing is that they connected it by hand, despite the protection from the fool, but could only undock using a sledgehammer.

        Not an exceptional case. The costs of our Sovetsky industry, when, for the sake of reliability (metal consumption), engineers came up with such connectors that they will not crack under the tractor. When a low-current 12 volt plug could be used as a dumbbell. In this regard, the Chinese are more thoughtful. Try connecting the two pins in their products. Yes, he will either stand up as a native with a little effort, or fall apart from overstrain, but he will not finish it.
        Recently, the wife asked by phone how to connect the case fan to her computer. The answer was concise - “By the method of poking where it fits” After 20 minutes, he calls - “I found an empty seat, I just stuck it in, everything works.”
  20. Strashila
    Strashila 10 July 2013 09: 02 New
    0
    Each time it’s more crazy than excuses ... that after assembling the rocket was not checked, the chains did not ring out ??? But everyone saw a problem with the engine ... that it was silent.
  21. bomg.77
    bomg.77 10 July 2013 09: 03 New
    +2
    The pressure in the engine of the machine does not drop, even if the oil pressure sensor does not work. The sensor detects how the unit works and does not affect the operation.
    1. Cpa
      Cpa 10 July 2013 19: 28 New
      0
      There is a crankshaft position sensor in the car, if it does not work, the car does not drive. Often, control or correction signals are received from the sensors.
  22. FunkschNNX
    FunkschNNX 10 July 2013 09: 06 New
    0
    And to put a connector so that only in the correct position it is connected or the terminals in different colors to paint is apparently not fate.
    Either they are nerds or they keep us for idiots.
  23. AlexTarov
    AlexTarov 10 July 2013 09: 13 New
    0
    Lack of control, irresponsibility, criminal negligence - these are not "children's mistakes."
  24. does it
    does it 10 July 2013 09: 16 New
    +1
    At the same time, another informed source in the space industry said that "there was no proper control and verification before the launch of the rocket." "There is information that the state commission, which is traditionally held on the eve of the launch, was either not carried out at all, or was reduced to a pure formality," he stressed.
    belay And the priests there for what? A blessed rocket should fly in spite of those. limitations. laughing but seriously! again looking for a scapegoat. recourse
  25. 203 GOTBPDA
    203 GOTBPDA 10 July 2013 09: 23 New
    +3
    The big mistake of the editorial staff to let such nonsense into print. For several years I worked on testing first-stage engines at KB Energomash. It is impossible to mix poles when connecting a sensor. Multistage control. All systems are duplicated. My opinion is that they are looking for the switchman.
    1. Misantrop
      Misantrop 10 July 2013 09: 39 New
      +3
      Quote: 203 GOTBPDA
      It is impossible to mix poles when connecting a sensor. Multistage control. All systems are duplicated.
      I repeat, several consecutive explosions at the launch of missiles of the BDRM complex in 1986 were the result of a "love fever" by an employee of the OTK rocket plant. This nerd "took revenge on the girl" ... And he discovered the reason by chance a sailor on the RTB SF. Checked before shipment to the ship and "horned" that SO sealed The circuit simply CANNOT BE CONNECTED.

      Well, the nuclear accident at K-140 was precisely the result of incorrect labeling of the power supply for the emergency lowering switch. It was connected correctly, but the marking did not match. And KIPovets, checking his office before a comprehensive check, reconnected "correctly", without reporting ANYONE about this ...
      1. avt
        avt 10 July 2013 12: 10 New
        +1
        Quote: Misantrop
        And KIPovets, checking his office before a comprehensive check, reconnected "correctly", without reporting ANYONE about this ...

        good And I suppose I didn’t write it to the journal. In general, to us as students, the first thing Barmin read at lectures was a scam with electrical connectors, as they were, at the beginning of glorious deeds, "after analyzing the accidents of the Central Committee commission, they were sandwiched demanding to introduce absolute protection against the fool, there was, and will be, a sore spot.
  26. niecke
    niecke 10 July 2013 09: 28 New
    +1
    everything would be fine, you just had to come across a nice technique, so you just won’t confuse the polarity-dad-mom circuitry with multi-sized connectors on + - !!! so crap is it! and even two or three times duplication ... so it's just the collapse of the entire industry !!!
  27. RVS
    RVS 10 July 2013 09: 30 New
    +2
    You know, but I can believe that ... My friend at TsSKB-PROGRESS works for me, he told so many horrors.
    It was such that one craftsman soldered some modules of the same type (and the entire batch) through w (i.e., just like in the article). All this miracle passed all the checks, and only at the last moment did some grandfather notice the setup ...
    So everything is possible in our country ...
    1. fisherman
      fisherman 10 July 2013 09: 59 New
      0
      there are also such craftsmen who dock connectors that do not correspond to each other, they cannot be docked to a normal person ("protection from a fool"), but they somehow managed ... unique personalities
  28. shamil
    shamil 10 July 2013 09: 31 New
    0
    during the explosion, everything melted, plus it’s all-over. It just fell and they don’t know the reasons
  29. IRBIS
    IRBIS 10 July 2013 09: 32 New
    +8
    Who has a car? Open the hood and try to connect the connectors "wrong". It turns out? And I can’t. So, is a rocket something reminiscent of the iron that a woman repairs? I believe that the version with "wiring" is not consistent. And if this is true, then all Roskosmos should be burned with shame!
    1. fisherman
      fisherman 10 July 2013 10: 00 New
      0
      I quote myself

      there are also such craftsmen who dock connectors that do not correspond to each other, they cannot be docked to a normal person ("protection from a fool"), but they somehow managed ... unique personalities
    2. knn54
      knn54 10 July 2013 12: 12 New
      +1
      The fisherman in Baikonur had a chance to “dock the“ mother ”with the“ mother. ”The error was detected during the PRESET START (“ wrap ”mode). The engineer was awarded the medal“ For Labor Distinction. ”Well, there was a small notice ...
      It is high time to release domestic electronic components, and not use Chinese garbage.
      When there was incoming control, military acceptance + professionalism of employees was not like that. And it’s time to equate slovenliness with sabotage / sabotage / sabotage.
      FIND FOR A SPY!
    3. MG42
      MG42 10 July 2013 14: 06 New
      +2
      Quote: IRBIS
      Who has a car? Open the hood and try to connect the connectors "wrong"

      The fuses will burn at least, minus the mass, which will be eaten by connecting, plus it is better not to experiment ..
  30. fzr1000
    fzr1000 10 July 2013 09: 33 New
    +1
    And what is the .... difference between children or not children? Does this make a big difference? It’s even worse that such a result is such a result.
  31. Mareman Vasilich
    Mareman Vasilich 10 July 2013 09: 36 New
    +4
    Like it or not, but the version of sabotage with this "Proton" is very relevant.
  32. individual
    individual 10 July 2013 09: 40 New
    +1
    To this "specialist" and his controllers who have mixed the poles, the "plus" and "minus" must be inserted in *** and let it simmer until they pay the cost of the marriage.
  33. Scandinavian
    Scandinavian 10 July 2013 09: 47 New
    0
    I should be ashamed of such work
  34. Garrin
    Garrin 10 July 2013 09: 51 New
    +7
    For some reason, the scene from the "Caucasian Captive" came to mind.
    "- Two bottles of wine.
    - Three...
    - Write three. Threw it into the abyss. "
    1. cherkas.oe
      cherkas.oe 10 July 2013 10: 15 New
      0
      Quote: Garrin
      - Write three. Threw it into the abyss. "

      And before this incident, how much was thrown into the abyss. In my opinion, they just dashed off a new scheme of theft of money, it’s time for the FSB to deal with this matter closely, and not send the commission and threaten with a finger. request
  35. viruskvartirus
    viruskvartirus 10 July 2013 09: 53 New
    +3
    In my opinion, this is a much more plausible version, "According to Kommersant, it is the failure of one of the six engines that the commission considers as the main cause of the accident. A more accurate definition is also given: the engine failure could have occurred due to problems with the fuel line." Was it’s a blockage, burnout or something else, it will be possible to say for sure only after we receive the decryption of telemetry data, ”the source said.
  36. siberko
    siberko 10 July 2013 10: 00 New
    0
    Quote: Povshnik
    Quote: retired
    Don’t do it again, Vasya ...


    We found the switchman, there the wires are different in color. Surely either counterfeit parts, or Chinese electronics. Effective managers - saved.


    That's right, they saved ... now everything is done according to Law 94-FZ, its principle is obvious, everything is purchased at the lowest price (that is, the most bullshit) and they build it
  37. Hellriker
    Hellriker 10 July 2013 10: 01 New
    0
    absolution found, everyone is happy. And officials raise their salaries 2.6 times.
  38. SAM0SA
    SAM0SA 10 July 2013 10: 06 New
    +3
    Quote: Vovka Levka
    They are looking for a switchman to calm their bosses.

    Quote: 203 GOTBPDA
    My opinion is that they are looking for the switchman.

    Quote: kvirit
    again looking for a scapegoat.

    Quote: Edward72
    And so it’s possible to write off how much money sometimes even begs the question: were there Glonasy

    Quote: Vovka Levka
    Hang noodles on your ears.

    Quote: Whale
    Noodles Doshirak on the ears of our readers

    Quote: baltika-18
    Locksmiths are vile to blame ......
    The bosses are always good ......

    Quote: Strashila
    Each time, all the more crazy excuses ...

    .
  39. RVS
    RVS 10 July 2013 10: 07 New
    0
    Quote: IRBIS
    Who has a car? Open the hood and try to connect the connectors "wrong". It turns out? And I can’t. So, is a rocket something reminiscent of the iron that a woman repairs? I believe that the version with "wiring" is not consistent. And if this is true, then all Roskosmos should be burned with shame!

    You are a little confused. Cars are produced in huge quantities, hundreds of factories STAMP TYPICAL PARTS!
    Most rocket fillings are collected in single batches under certain conditions. In addition, some of the modules are assembled almost on the knee. And now imagine how this or that block, which was assembled in the next workshop from what it was, is beginning to be brought to TYPICAL dimensions and equipped with a "standard" mount. In fact, there, in theory, they’ll collect not blondes, for whom there is no difference between “+” and “-”, but highly educated specialists! .. in theory ...
  40. cherkas.oe
    cherkas.oe 10 July 2013 10: 07 New
    0
    Well, they froze, so they froze, this is a cheap excuse for breast-fed infants and old people who have survived from the mind. Even the simplest computer on the washing machine determines the wrong polarity of the connection and blocks the inclusion of the power controller, and here is the Launcher, nonsense worthy of "managers".
  41. nod739
    nod739 10 July 2013 10: 09 New
    +2
    one, not a duplicated sensor, and even during the check before start it was not detected, and what- found charred terminals ??? Yes, and clemera clever geometrically different, -fool protection
    the reason is clearly different

    rockets have fallen before, statistics show that as a matter of fact it shows 2-3 crashes per hundred ... or so
    but here’s what’s alarming ... over the past few years, 6 GLONASS satellites have perished !!! and this is higher than the "norm" at times
  42. Yuri Y.
    Yuri Y. 10 July 2013 10: 14 New
    +1
    Quote: Mareman Vasilich
    Like it or not, but the version of sabotage with this "Proton" is very relevant.

    Especially if you can take advantage of the mess in the industry. Some selectivity suggests this idea, it seems not the first case with GLONASS.
    There is another option. If something systemic with an engine, cover up the firm
    and model. After all, it was always considered that we had the best engines, and here it is. crying
  43. Sergey Medvedev
    Sergey Medvedev 10 July 2013 10: 17 New
    +2
    This "leak" is about polarity reversal, just noodles to our ears. It doesn’t fall into my ears, I'm in a helmet! soldier
  44. tirazu
    tirazu 10 July 2013 10: 21 New
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    I remember that during the military service in the USSR Air Force I mixed up power wires and antennas on radio stations, as a result, the Yak-28 almost burned out. The contacts were exactly the same, but getting close to them to mark it is very difficult and lazy. The ensign was too lazy to check. -28 created in the same years as Proton))
  45. leon47
    leon47 10 July 2013 10: 21 New
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    A clumsy attempt to give an explanation (or rather "brainwash") of a serious accident. It seems that at one time the prosecutor general did after the death of Kursk. Who needs these explanations? And for what? To cause a wave of indignation?
    1. Garrin
      Garrin 10 July 2013 10: 25 New
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      Quote: leon47
      Who needs these explanations? And for what? To cause a wave of indignation?

      I think that the leadership is not very concerned about our "waves of indignation." am
  46. savoj
    savoj 10 July 2013 10: 31 New
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    Anything can happen .... I remember a movie about a plane crash, a Boeing would be like. There, before the flight, the sensors for altitude or pressure were sealed with adhesive tape .... it was necessary to do some kind of prevention before the flight. This was done according to the instructions, then the tape had to be removed, but forgotten. So automation did not see an error during take-off and the first hours of flight. So it happens.
    But the Americans are able to do technology.
    So the human factor is always present.
  47. mamba
    mamba 10 July 2013 10: 32 New
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    It seems to me the most likely version with the failure of one of the engines at the start of the rocket. For a change I offer one more version: sabotage with software. To do this, you need a programmer from your own, a deep mole who adjusts the program so that the engine shuts off at the right time. Ideally, if such a program adjustment is not determined for all types of tests, or at least for those tests that limit the current scan. In this case, no State Commission will ever get to the truth and limit itself to finding a scapegoat after the accident. You don’t have to go far for examples. Due to errors in the software, the missions failed:
    - Mars Climate Orbiter - burned out in the atmosphere of Mars due to an unforgivable error: in the calculations, the Lockheed Martin group used British units of measurement (pound-force), and the NASA group used metric (newton). As a result, the device passed above the surface at an altitude of only 57 km instead of the estimated 140 km;
    - “Mars 1971C” - the Soviet automatic interplanetary station of the third generation of the space program “Mars”. It was intended to study Mars from the orbit of an artificial satellite. After successfully putting into low Earth orbit, the station did not go on the flight path to Mars, because there was no restarting of the engine of the starting block of D. Aprichin - the erroneous value of the starting time of the engine of block D was entered into the software. Due to an error in the discharge, the engine had to start not after several tens of minutes, as the flight program envisaged, but after one and a half hundred hours. The AMS / booster block remained in low Earth orbit. Two days after launch, it entered the dense layers of the earth's atmosphere and burned down;
    - On August 14, 2011, the communications satellite Express M-4 was lost. The cause of the accident was an error in the software of the overclocking unit. The lead developer of the Salyut Design Bureau booster block and the TsNIImash lead scientific organization issued a positive conclusion to the launch purely formally, without even looking at the report;
    - March 12, 2000 when the Zenit-3SL LV (from the ICO-F1 spacecraft) was launched from the offshore launch platform, the 3rd stage with the satellite fell into the ocean. The reason - in the software there was no command to close the electro-pneumatic valve of the 2nd stage of the rocket.
    As for the traditional sloppiness for us, here we are not monopolists. The NOAA-19 meteorological traveler was seriously damaged even at the assembly stage: Lockheed Martin specialists simply dropped it, turning over, because they did not check if the fixing bolts were in place. As a result, its launch was postponed for 6 years. Well, our flight of Soyuz-11 ended tragically as a result of the fact that at the factory, when installing the valve, the tightening force was lower than anticipated. As a result, he spontaneously opened from overload when pyrobolts were triggered during the separation of the household compartment. Through the hole with a diameter of 20 mm all the air came out of the cab. Cosmonauts Volkov, Patsaev and Dobrovolsky died. The numerous failures of Soviet space technology can be found in: http://rocketpolk44.narod.ru/kosmos/kosm-av.htm
    Back in 2011, Popovkin said that he had created task forces that checked the entire progress in the manufacture of spacecraft. It created its own “independent control system” - a departmental quality control system. A single test launch service was created at Baikonur. Those. the functions of the manufacturer and the tester were separated. Test benches of manufacturers were transferred to Roscosmos to control the ground test stage. But somehow it did not work out.
    You should also remember about the almost complete transition to the imported element base in space electronics.
  48. Rriv
    Rriv 10 July 2013 10: 43 New
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    Quote: viruskvartirus
    Was it a blockage, burnout or something else

    or a sniper bullet flew in
  49. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 10 July 2013 10: 47 New
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    It's simple, Proton brought Russia “greetings from the 90s.” Now we will pay for everything, for the dismissal of first-class specialists, for the non-payment of salaries for engineers for many months, which contributed to their departure, training a bunch of economists and managers with lawyers, nobody unnecessary now, for drunken dancing and conducting an orchestra, throwing a drunk out of an airplane to the laughter of the whole world. Eat DEAR RUSSIANS!
  50. bubla5
    bubla5 10 July 2013 10: 55 New
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    Probably ashamed and dangerous to bring down an entire engine failure