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IMDS-2013: Russia is reborn as a full-fledged maritime power

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IMDS-2013: Russia is reborn as a full-fledged maritime power

At the VI International Navy Salon, which completed its work in St. Petersburg, although no contracts were concluded, its exposition clearly showed that the shipbuilding industry was recovering from the crisis and gaining momentum.


According to the vice-president of USC, Igor Ponomarev, a confirmation of the fact that Russia is returning world positions in shipbuilding, was the arrival at IMDS-2013 of a record number of foreign shipbuilding officials and mid-level technical specialists. It is known that it is the middle link that determines the vector of making higher political decisions. And we had something to show to foreign practitioners. The presence of numerous representatives of the naval forces of various countries was also striking.

Igor Ponomarev stressed that IMDS-2013 is among the top three exhibitions, both in terms of exhibitors and expositions. The authority of the Petersburg salon is growing every year.

During the work of IMDS-2013, a lot of interesting News and for the first time showing the latest developments. In Russia, after almost twenty-five years of inactivity, construction of high-speed hydrofoil vessels is resumed. Our country is the only one in the world where they own the secrets of designing and manufacturing such ships. The Comet-120M, which is to be built in Rybinsk the other day, refers to hydrofoil ships of a new generation, which widely use the know-how that was previously used only in aircraft construction.

The head system integrator for Mistral was identified in terms of installing Russian equipment on it. This is an Agat enterprise. Important news for professionals. At Mistral, around which disputes over the appropriateness of its acquisition do not cease, both French and Russian control systems will be installed. The USA categorically forbade France to transfer certain information technologies to Russia, which are especially dear to NATO. Our specialists have to solve the difficult task of adapting completely different systems to each other. According to the general director and general designer of the Morinformsistema-Agat corporation, Georgy Antsev, it will be resolved on time and with high quality. You can believe it, since the information support systems for domestic warships are among the best in the world, which also became the discovery of IMDS-2013.

By the way, Georgy Antsev considers the purchase of Mistral not such a rash decision, since this ship will provide an opportunity to get acquainted with the technologies used in western shipbuilding - the French universal landing helicopter carrier ship will become a kind of laboratory. Moreover, and this is the most important thing, according to Antsev, Mistral motivates the actual revival of the Russian sea aviation, which is on the verge of physical extinction.

At MVMS-2013, a natural sample of the Ka-52 land-based helicopter and a model of this machine in the ship version was presented. According to representatives of the Kamov company, to make a marine version of a helicopter is not just to ensure the folding of its blades. In many respects, it is necessary to change the control and communications system, since flights over the sea and land differ greatly. It is also necessary to strengthen the corrosion protection. By the time of receipt of the first Russian "Mistral" under the name "Vladivostok", Ka-52K (ship) will be ready and tested.

On the eve of the opening of the IMDS-2013, two remarkable events took place. The frigate "Trikand" ("Bow") of the 11256 project - one of the best in the world in terms of its technical and combat characteristics - was transferred to the Indian Navy. And in the Russian Navy introduced the corvette "Boyky" project 20380 - the best in the world in its class of warships.

The “lively”, despite its small size, has very powerful weapons: anti-ship missiles “Uran”, the newest torpedo-anti-torpedo complex “Package”, 100-mm automatic gun AK-190, two six-barreled 30-mm assault rifles AK-630М, zenith - missile complex "Redoubt". The Ka-27 type helicopter can be placed in a special hangar. This allows a small ship to enter into battle, even with frigates and cruisers.

However, the main know-how of the 20380 project is a fully composite add-on, made in one cocoon. No one in the world has ever implemented such bold projects in shipbuilding. If we consider that the corvette is covered with a thick layer of special radio and heat absorbing paint, then it is practically not visible in the radar range and infrared surveillance systems.

The superstructure, although plastic, is not to say that it can be shot through with an ordinary bullet. In the Krylov State Research Center, various types of, one might say, armor protection based on composites, have also been developed.

The Corvette "Boyky", commanded by Captain III rank Alexei Suslov, became a real star of IMDS-2013. By the way, this unique corvette will stand at the pier of the Naval Station, where the salon took place, the whole of July - until the Navy Day. So residents of St. Petersburg and guests of the northern capital still have the opportunity to visit this beautiful ship in all respects.

The focus of the participants IMDS-2013, including foreign experts, were missile systems "Ball" and "Club-K".

Mobile coastal missile system "Ball" is designed to protect the straits and territorial waters, naval bases, coastal infrastructure - that is, everything that is in the coastal zone from a possible attack from the sea. It shoots one of the most powerful anti-ship missiles in the world - X-35. The effectiveness of the defeat of the enemy’s naval groupings and its individual ships is achieved by the fact that the X-35 has an active anti-jamming homing head on the final trajectory, and the Ball complex itself can fire single missiles and a volley. The range of destruction of naval targets is up to 260 km, and the total ammunition load of the Ball complex is 64 missiles, which makes the X-35 volley truly all-destructive.

We have told about the container rocket complex "Club-K" several times and in sufficient detail. But at MVMS-2013, a presentation of this complex, which has no analogues in the world, took place in a new look.

For the first time were presented: unmanned helicopter "Radar", which significantly increases the combat capabilities of the complex, and retractable radar all-round vision, built using phased antenna arrays. The radar is interesting because it works in the passive mode, that is, no radiation, but the radar itself sees all sea and air targets within 450 radius. The coordinates of the detected ships and aircraft are transmitted to the command post, where they are processed and issued either to the control units of anti-ship missiles or to the air defense systems covering the Club-K.

Even some domestic experts believe that our torpedo weapon historically inferior to Western. A powerful universal deep-water self-guided torpedo of the UHTT caliber 2013-mm was presented at MVMS-533. Travel speed - 50 knots, travel depth - up to 500 meters. Weight of explosives - 300 kg. The UGTS can be induced by the acoustic contour of a ship or a submarine of the enemy, or it can be carried out by telecontrol wires whose length is 25 km.

UGTS - a classic, so to speak, torpedo. But the package complex is a know-how, which has no analogues in the West yet. The “package” includes an MTT compact torpedo of 320-mm caliber and an anti-torpedo of the same caliber. MTT is designed to ensure the destruction of modern and advanced submarines in the near zone of self-defense. Can effectively hit and small ships such as corvettes. A distinctive feature is the modularity of the design, which makes it possible to quickly assemble a specific application.

MTT travel speed is up to 50 nodes, travel range is up to 20 km, depth is up to 600 meters. Weight of explosives - 60 kg. Antitorpeda looks like MTT. It differs in that it has a more powerful warhead with a mass of explosives - up to 80 kg, a smaller range of the course - up to 1,4 km. Speed ​​is also around 50 nodes.

The use of the "Package" on warships allows them to practically not fear attacks from submarines. Enemy submarines are detected at the maximum distance and destroyed within 20 radius of km from the ship. If the boat managed to break through and produce a volley, then anti-torpedoes, which, like air defense missiles, intercept and hit other people's torpedoes, are fired. It is worth repeating: there are no similar complexes in the world. And to remind: all modern corvettes and frigates that come into service of the Navy are carried on board the Packages, which Boiky demonstrated on MVMS-2013.

In the United States and Western Europe, in the construction of new submarines, it is not optical optical periscopes that are installed, but optical-electronic ones. Visual information is digitized and transmitted to the large screens of the command post. So, not only one commander, but also, if necessary, other specialists can see and evaluate the surface and air situation. In addition, there is automatic video recording. Such periscopes are also distinguished by the fact that they are shorter than the classical ones; they can be placed in a ruber fence outside a solid hull.

Now in Russia there are periscopes of a new generation. One of them, the Sail-98, was presented at IMDS-2013 by the CSRI Elektropribor concern. It has television and thermal imaging observation channels, a laser range finder, a gyroscopic stabilization system for the line of sight, and an antenna for receiving signals GLONASS and GPS.

On overseas marine salons like to show different propellers, often intricate shapes. It may seem that in the West, the technology of making screws is advanced, and we are lagging behind. This is not true. Powerful propeller shafts and small high-speed propellers were traditionally very well calculated and produced in the USSR. At the same time, unlike foreign firms, our screws were always miscalculated for specific ships and vessels, which increased the efficiency of their work. Not lost scientific and industrial skills in Russia. Our screws are still considered to be the best in their quality in the world. They are willingly bought by shipbuilders from different countries, but they never advertise it.

Strangely enough, but Russia is also a leader in training complexes intended both for civil navigation and port facilities, and in the interests of the Navy. Probably, not a single foreign maritime expert passed the “USK-Transas” simulators presented at the stand of the United Shipbuilding Corporation.

It is worth noting that over the twelve years of IMDS, the quality of the presentation of expositions on it has noticeably improved. The past salon was the most spectacular in terms of showing and effective in terms of organizing business work. Of all the stands, out of competition was the exposition of the Morinformsystem-Agat concern. In the open central area of ​​the exhibition, references were given by charming young girls in a stylized marine uniform. Constantly present live music - quiet, but very high quality. Such an approach in the organization of expositions is customary for automobile and aviation salons, but for the IMDS it is used for the first time. And it turned out to be winning!

But the work of the press center left much to be desired. His room was small, the Internet worked poorly, the help needed was simply not from anyone. And unlike the MAKS Aviation Salon, which will open at the end of August near Moscow, the IMDS-2013 did not produce daily printed reviews of the events of the previous day and descriptions of the most interesting exhibits. There was the only illustrated release of "Bulletin of IMMS-2013" ...

It is impossible to tell all about the VI International Naval Show. But we can confidently say: it is within the power of the domestic industry to assemble ships of any class, from light boats to aircraft carriers. And scientific and industrial corporations to saturate them with the most modern equipment and weapons. Russia is confidently reborn as a full-fledged maritime power.
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  1. tronin.maxim
    tronin.maxim 10 July 2013 07: 23 New
    +1
    Positive news however! smile
    1. user
      user 10 July 2013 10: 38 New
      +7
      The USA categorically forbade France to transfer certain information technologies to Russia, which are especially dear to NATO. Our specialists have to solve the difficult task of adapting completely different systems to each other.

      Well, then why do we need the Mistral?
      After all, one of the trump cards when ordering was the transfer of the Zenit system.
      This is the last NATO development, but now it turns out that we bought only the hull of the vessel. We will install weapons ourselves, control systems too. Because it is interesting to solve the problems of system compatibility only for educational purposes, and any non-native refinement causes a large number of glitches. . .

      Well, Agat also boasts that they are so smart that they even coped with the bourgeois management system. And those who will exploit will comment on everything on the mats
      1. Armata
        Armata 10 July 2013 11: 08 New
        +3
        Quote: user
        Well, then why do we need the Mistral?
        They have been talking about this for a long time.
        Quote: user
        This is the latest NATO development,
        and not the best.
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        2. klimpopov
          klimpopov 10 July 2013 14: 25 New
          0
          Greetings!
          By the way in the addition of the topic.
          In 2013, the Russian Navy will receive 36 warships, deputy commander in chief of the navy, vice admiral Alexander Fedotenkov, told reporters.

          "During this year, 36 warships, combat boats, auxiliary vessels will be accepted into the Russian Navy. This has never happened before," said Fedotenkov at the International Navy Salon in St. Petersburg.

          Based on the lists from forums and data on plants in Russia, a rough photo review of what the Russian Navy will receive this year was compiled.
          Warships:

          1. SSBN Ave. 955 "Alexander Nevsky" - displacement 17000t.


          2. SSBN pr. 955 “Vladimir Monomakh” - displacement 17000t.

          3. ICAPL pr. 885 “Severodvinsk” - displacement 11800 t.

          Well and then here http://www.yaplakal.com/forum2/topic612087.html
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 10 July 2013 14: 53 New
            +2
            Quote: klimpopov
            By the way in the addition of the topic.

            Hi Klim! I deleted the necessary koment, like which I asked or was I mistaken?
            1. klimpopov
              klimpopov 10 July 2013 15: 02 New
              0
              All right! With the new rules for inserting photos, I do not always have time to edit ... wassat
      2. Conepatus
        Conepatus 10 July 2013 11: 43 New
        +3
        The French will give Zenit. This is prescribed in the contract, violating oneself is more expensive.
        And all sorts of Amer’s bans, it’s just a test of how Russia will react to possible changes in the contract. If it is silent, it’s possible to push it further. Zenit is a purely French development. at the first place.
      3. Very old
        Very old 10 July 2013 22: 01 New
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        USER: why do we need Mistrals then? - I'd like to get an answer to your question during the trial over "serdyuchka"
    2. cdrt
      cdrt 10 July 2013 16: 20 New
      +8
      Here ... no words.
      The news is good - The comets decided to build again - gut, I love this ship.
      Only here to sing about (having no analogues) is that we are the only ones in the world who know how to design and build them is not worth it.
      There were Pegasus, there were Jetfoyles. Well, in fact, there is Ukraine, which can also build Sunrises. Although yes, Alekseevsky Design Bureau probably had the most experience.

      NC package is good.
      For the first time, abandoning WWII methods (rocket-propelled bombs) and finally making a normal small-sized torpedo received a very good result in terms of performance: both the weight / dimensions are small and can be placed on any ship, and if it’s really stable how the vehicle works, and even in shallow waters is a real achievement.

      UGST - according to its characteristics, it seems to be quite at the level of the same MK48, which really is a way to overcome the lag and very well. As usual, of course, the devil is in the details - well, there are AGSN parameters, selection possibilities, opportunities to apply in shallow waters, etc.

      About the screws - delivered. To count then we counted.
      Only here people who lived at the beginning of 198X should remember the strongest such international scandal - the sale in the USSR of Toshiba metal-cutting machines bypassing KOCOM restrictions.
      And actually only on these machines they were able to make modern screws for 971, 945, etc.
      So ... lagging behind. Shipbuilding as an industry as a whole lagged behind.
      Although ... now there are no restrictions on the supply of large multi-axis machines in the Russian Federation, i.e. if you bought this, we can do good screws.
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 10 July 2013 16: 25 New
        +3
        Quote: cdrt
        Only here people who lived at the beginning of 198X should remember the strongest such international scandal - the sale in the USSR of Toshiba metal-cutting machines bypassing KOCOM restrictions.
        And actually only on these machines they were able to make modern screws for 971, 945, etc.

        3 of the machine went to Severodvinsk, 3 - to Komsomolsk, on the Amur.
      2. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 10 July 2013 16: 29 New
        +4
        Quote: cdrt
        The news is good - The comets decided to build again - gut, I love this ship.

        Every time my heart aches when I see these nimble little ships on the Iymuden-Amsterdam canal. Still on the go, being exploited. Although delivered over 25 years ago.
        1. sir.jonn
          sir.jonn 11 July 2013 19: 25 New
          +1
          Quote: stalkerwalker
          Every time my heart aches when I see these nimble little ships on the Iymuden-Amsterdam canal. Still on the go, being exploited. Although delivered over 25 years ago.

          Often you have to visit Vietnam in Ho Chi Minh City, where Comets pass through Saigon and bring a lot of pride for domestic shipbuilders, make you tear yourself away from all affairs and stand with your mouth open despite the fact that he traveled on them repeatedly.
  2. pahom54
    pahom54 10 July 2013 07: 41 New
    +3
    Pleases, and very.
  3. pensioner
    pensioner 10 July 2013 07: 47 New
    +5
    Russia is reborn as a full sea power
    God grant, God grant ...
    1. s1н7т
      s1н7т 10 July 2013 22: 17 New
      +1
      On alms no one has yet been reborn laughing
  4. buzuke
    buzuke 10 July 2013 08: 06 New
    +6
    it is, of course, very good that we can do so well, but now we would reinforce all this quality with quantity
  5. shamil
    shamil 10 July 2013 08: 09 New
    +3
    it’s just a day of good news, just not to turn stupidly off the right track
  6. omsbon
    omsbon 10 July 2013 08: 23 New
    +4
    The news is good.
    The naval interior is a showcase, and the presence of ships is the foundation of a maritime power. Therefore, it is necessary to work, build new ships!
  7. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 10 July 2013 08: 26 New
    +7
    Especially nothing to boast about. But the powerful fleet of Russia oh how necessary!
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 10 July 2013 08: 38 New
      +9
      Good morning everybody. hi

      The latest developments presented at the exhibition.

      Amphibian

      TsKB Rubin introduced the latest submarine

      Missile complex Club-K

      Missile system Ball
      1. Dmitry 2246
        Dmitry 2246 10 July 2013 10: 39 New
        +3
        Thanks for the clarity.
      2. cdrt
        cdrt 10 July 2013 16: 34 New
        +3
        Here is Ruby well done. The only boat of the project shown was never accepted by the Navy, because does not meet the assignment, is actually not operational ...
        After all, the whole world knows this. I do not understand what they count on.
        If only China buys, anyone with a choice (India) will buy what has already been brought.
  8. Xmypp
    Xmypp 10 July 2013 08: 59 New
    +4
    “By the way, Georgy Antsev considers the purchase
    Mistral is not so reckless
    solution, as this ship will give
    the opportunity to get to know each other well
    technologies used in western
    shipbuilding "???
    Who will explain to me the fool what latest technologies are there in shipbuilding? In the USSR, built effective carriers, why do we need this French trash.
    1. Retx
      Retx 10 July 2013 09: 05 New
      +5
      Modular ship building. We can’t build like that, we don’t know how, we don’t practice. Now maybe after 2016 we will begin.
      1. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 10 July 2013 10: 52 New
        +1
        Quote: RETX
        Modular ship building. We can’t build like that, we don’t know how, we don’t practice.

        In general, the project 20380 corvette differs from the anti-submarine ships currently in service with the Russian Navy and is multifunctional, compact, inconspicuous, and a high level of automation of ship systems [7].
        The modular principle of the architecture of the ships of this project allows the construction of new and modernization of existing ones to install new weapons and electronic weapons systems on them. This reduces production costs and provides a high modernization potential for 30 years of the ship's life cycle.
        1. Retx
          Retx 10 July 2013 11: 36 New
          +2
          And you look at the term just below in that article, how for murder - 7 years (Laid on December 21, 2001, and accepted into the fleet on February 28, 2008). DVDK "Vladivostok" was founded on February 1, 2012 / October 1, 2012, launched in autumn 2013, and the transfer to the Russian Navy at the end of 2014.
    2. cdrt
      cdrt 10 July 2013 16: 35 New
      -2
      Hmm ... but you can ask - what effective aircraft carriers did the USSR build?
      The names of the built ships, the composition and abilities of the air group, anything proving effectiveness ...
  9. seller trucks
    seller trucks 10 July 2013 09: 46 New
    -1
    Both French and Russian control systems will be installed on the Mistral, around which the debate about the expediency of its acquisition continues. The United States has categorically banned France from transferring certain information technologies to Russia, which NATO values ​​especially.


    uh, I don’t understand, does the SVR work badly with us? oh very much i'm messing around
    1. cdrt
      cdrt 10 July 2013 16: 37 New
      0
      And can a lot of complex SVR systems steal?
      Those. not weapons models, namely systems like Zanit? Yes, at the same time, and the practice and skills of their integration, which is a rather non-trivial task. Now that will be solved with the help of the developer, but with theft ...
  10. Russ69
    Russ69 10 July 2013 12: 11 New
    +2
    Of course, it is still a long way to a full revival, but the process has begun and is going on.
    It remains only to wait, this process is not fast.
  11. varov14
    varov14 10 July 2013 13: 10 New
    +2
    "The United States categorically forbade France to transfer certain information technologies to Russia, which NATO values ​​especially. Our specialists will have to solve the difficult task of adapting completely different systems to each other." Otherwise, everything is good, in words, ahead of the rest.
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  13. Kavtorang
    Kavtorang 10 July 2013 13: 51 New
    +9
    Quote: Russ69
    Of course, it is still a long way to a full revival, but the process has begun and is going on.
    It remains only to wait, this process is not fast.

    It is difficult to disagree with you, except for the thesis that the process has begun and is ongoing. He can go and go, only where and at what pace?
    Just do not need to talk about "naseneimayuscheeanalogovmire" - already from this phrase you want to spit in the utterer.
    In the meantime, the reality is. Vladivostok city. Local time 20.40: the destroyer "Lengzhou" has just quite cheerfully passed the Eastern Bosphorus. Three more destroyers and two URO frigates are still in the outer raid. The Chinese KKS stood in the Golden Horn in the afternoon. And from our window (in fact) from the entire Pacific Fleet the Varyag GRKR is poking around and about 30 minutes ago it proudly foamed the MPK water.
    So much for the construction of the Navy and all the showrooms.
    1. VAF
      VAF 10 July 2013 16: 45 New
      +3
      Quote: Kavtorang
      Just do not need to talk about "naseneimayuscheeanalogovmire" - already from this phrase you want to spit in the utterer.
      In the meantime, the reality is this.


      Yes, Kavtorang, +! drinks but .... as they say "..." oil painting " sad "sailed" or .. "survived" request



      And as an example (especially for Aksakal wassat ) Navy Norfolk US Navy

  14. Flooding
    Flooding 10 July 2013 14: 15 New
    +5
    Article written by "expert"

    Project frigate "Tricand" ("Bow") was transferred to the Indian Navy 11256 - one of the best in the world for its technical and combat characteristics


    The superstructure, though plastic, but you can’t say that it can be shot through with an ordinary bullet

    The terminology is killer. You can’t say this, so write how you can say

    The range of destruction of sea targets is up to 260 km, and the total ammunition load of the Bal complex is 64 missiles, which makes the Kh-35 salvo truly all-destructive.

    Where does the declared range of 260 km for the X-35 come from? Does an all-destructive volley make a reserve of missiles carried on TPM?

    Of course, I do not pretend to be a connoisseur, but from such articles warps.
    1. allosaurus
      allosaurus 10 July 2013 17: 54 New
      0
      and you take an interest before turning your nose, where the legs grow from. the source is a Russian newspaper, and they, the newspaper men, do not bother to consult with specialists, but spar their article with a volume of more, for which more a fee. Pay attention to the authorship of the article. Kaptsov immediately learn from the first paragraph, or not?
      1. Flooding
        Flooding 10 July 2013 19: 15 New
        +1
        Quote: allosaurus
        and you take an interest before turning your nose, where the legs grow from. primary source is a Russian newspaper

        The source saw. And what follows from this?
        I believe that more competent materials should be posted on the military-patriotic website.
    2. iSpoiler
      iSpoiler 10 July 2013 17: 56 New
      -1
      To the passer from here http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Х-35
      That’s what he’s got
      He shoots one of the most powerful anti-ship missiles in the world - the X-35.
      I do not understand .. Man about "Granite" has not heard?
  15. Kavtorang
    Kavtorang 10 July 2013 14: 19 New
    +4
    Quote: klimpopov
    1. SSBN Ave. 955 “Alexander Nevsky” - displacement 17000т.

    Well, the cutting already exists - nothing remains wink
  16. bulvas
    bulvas 10 July 2013 14: 32 New
    +3
    The add-on, although plastic, but can not be said that it can be shot with an ordinary bullet. In the Krylov State Scientific Center, various types have been developed, can say, armor protection based on composites too.


    Strongly said!
    It turns out that the protection of the corvette must withstand the hit of an ordinary bullet.
    I hope the bulletproof glass in the windows also withstand the hit of an ordinary bullet

    can not say .... can be said

    Dear author, maybe this is due to secrecy?

    Or in the Internet press, the standards for presenting information are lower than in ordinary, paper
  17. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 10 July 2013 18: 04 New
    -1
    Eh men would squeeze corruption and all sorts of liberalists ... !!! Such unique things would be built and launched !!! Talented we are all the same SLAVE !! gullible truth and a little slopp .. I believe everything will work out with us .. !!
    1. castle
      castle 11 July 2013 00: 21 New
      0
      Well, corruption, of course, and liberals are something that you did not please? The fact that you have the right to write criticism and you were not shot for it? Do you actually have an idea of ​​what liberalism is? Or did someone just tell you that liberals should be blamed, otherwise it doesn’t turn out patriotic? Let's dress everyone in boots and riding breeches (there are already a lot of such ideas walking around - eagles from the Cossack Party come up with), women in sundresses, and so that all the ranks go under the guidance of one wise commander. And the one with his own thoughts will appear, we’ll put him on a stake. And all this is joyful, to the songs of the Pyatnitsky choir. Partaigenoss (party comrade) Hitler also did this - he was looking for enemies. First inside the state, and then in the rest of the world. And how he lived and died, let it be science to you! And it’s impossible in life, well, we’re just stupid and lazy, we don’t want to change, well, we won’t criticize ourselves, beloved ones, otherwise, God forbid, we’ll have to work, that’s what we need in our failures to blame both liberalists and mattresses and Jews. And immediately life will be better and more fun
  18. s1н7т
    s1н7т 10 July 2013 22: 49 New
    +2
    Quote: MIKHAN
    Talented, we are still SLAVE !! gullible truth and a little slopp .. I believe everything will work out with us ..!

    Yeah, the Union collapsed, what's next? (prepared to record) laughing
  19. s1н7т
    s1н7т 10 July 2013 22: 51 New
    +1
    Quote: MIKHAN
    Eh men would squeeze corruption and all sorts of liberalists ... !!!

    Are you talking about the popularly elected so ?! Pi-pez, logic! Someone voted for themselves, for the Republicans of the United States, or what? laughing
  20. s1н7т
    s1н7т 10 July 2013 23: 10 New
    +3
    Here pats-reoty always confuse the country with the state. Non-Russian Russia is only territorially (partially) a successor to RI and the USSR. But those (states) could explain the meaning of their existence, but nonexistent - no. It lives on its own, them on us ... to us on them .... So what are we going to revive ?! laughing What power? Who over whom? It's like Independence Day of the Russian Federation - from whom ?! laughing So with sea power - over whom? Over Papua New Guinea? laughing Or over the buyers of our own oil? Then no one will buy it and the "power" will die from the local riots of the poor population. So what is the essence of the holiday / joy, kids, tell us! Well, some plant will receive a certain order from H.Z. for what - they won't fire a thousand workers. What is pride in what? While we are sitting on the pipe, and sitting there is the key to the success of the new government, the whole reasonable, rich and armed world wanted to spit on us. Even though we will lay aircraft carriers in batches, no one will notice, except for the budget. 3 times reduction of social. programs - for what ?! For cutting and kickbacks. It is not for nothing that the MO is a person of the "family", and not of the professional military. One-two-twenty ships won't change anything when it's all about money. Ugh, damn it!
  21. Alex96
    Alex96 12 July 2013 09: 18 New
    0
    This is great news.