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Almost a quarter of a century after writing the last essay at school, he decided to present his thoughts to a wide audience of the Military Review. So, if not very well, I apologize in advance. However, everything is in order.  


My eldest daughter graduated from high school this year, and very well, received a gold medal. She showed a penchant for exact sciences, studied in the information and mathematics class of the Lyceum, became the winner and the winner of several regional and All-Russian Olympiads in physics, mathematics and computer science. Also engaged in sports. She is a candidate for master of sports (brown belt) in karate, a multiple winner of tournaments in the Central Federal District and Russia.  

When there was a question of choosing a future profession, we considered that in law enforcement agencies we need technically competent, strong and enduring officers. Moreover, in recent times the situation with money allowances and social guarantees for people in uniform has certainly improved significantly. Not the last role was played by the fact that education can be obtained at the expense of the state, given that we have a large family, and younger children will follow school. The downside was female gender, but when we visited the websites of universities, we saw that many of them were girls too.

They decided to start with the ICSI (Institute of Cryptography) of the Academy of the FSB. There they immediately refused us, indicating that they take only girls with Moscow registration. Next was the FSO Academy. The documents had to be submitted through the local special communication agency, they also refused us there, without explaining anything. But we decided to send the documents by mail, strictly in accordance with the rules published on the Academy website. The answer did not come immediately, it is clear that personnel officers have long composed. But they wrote that for girls the other requirements set forth in some very secret departmental instructions, and it was necessary to declare their intentions strongly in advance, in about a year.

At this time on the "Military Review" I read news, that the Military Space Academy named after Mozhaisky this year dramatically increases the enrollment of cadets. After consulting through a personal with Ascetic, we decided to try.

In the district and regional military registration and enlistment offices, the medical commission, psychological tests and proficiency tests the daughter passed without any problems with the result “recommended for admission”. True, having arrived in St. Petersburg on the open day, we were disappointed, they said that this year it was decided not to recruit the girls. After some time, we were notified that the Defense Ministry decided to recruit eighteen girls to Mozhayka.

This is where the fun began. No matter how many acting officers I would ask whether it was possible to enter honestly in a military college, the answer was one- it was useless. Moreover, the personal qualities of the candidate do not solve anything, the solution of the issue depends on the availability of connections or money. Interestingly, each of them offered to bring me down with the right person, saying, I don’t need anything, you will agree with him about the money there. In other words, I am not like that, life is like that.

Considering that it was not good to start the service with bribes, we decided to try honestly. Once in the barracks, my daughter immediately got into outfits for two days, washed the floors, raked out the toilets, two nights without sleep on the nightstand. But all this is not terrible, ordinary army everyday life, for her it is not a burden, she is still the eldest child in a large family.
 
I was told from “reliable sources” that there are no chances, there are more than a hundred candidates for eighteen places, with many daughters, granddaughters, nieces of “comrades” with big stars on their shoulder straps. The task is to cut off "random" candidates. But I still have some hope of justice.

The Sources were right. On the first day of the medical examination, the daughter successfully passed all the doctors. Stayed the next day, sorry, the gynecologist. A woman doctor, without any examination, gave a conclusion about the presence of some kind of cyst, which, allegedly, on the two previous commissions was not found. Moreover, this cyst is cunning, it can suddenly appear and also suddenly disappear without a trace. That is, if the next day any honey. the institution will establish that there is no cyst, you can always fend off - well, that was yesterday. Thus, my daughter became temporarily unfit for military service. The same doctor established the same diagnosis in about fifteen other girls. As you might guess, they also did not have influential relatives. What a coincidence.  
The next day, checked the level of physical training in girls. My daughter was not allowed, she just looked. The results are weak, many could not even run a kilometer. All hope that the Department of Physical Education knows its work and the students will catch up in the future.

That's so sad for us история... Someone will say, why are women in the army at all? I will not argue. But if they are not needed, then do not type, do not arrange a farce. All officials do not know how to master the money for the patriotic education of young people correctly. After such examples, all their chatter looks ridiculous. Don't you think that we have fewer and fewer fellow officers? They are in the past. Now more and more "gentlemen" officers. For them, the service has become not a service to the Fatherland, but a kind of business, a way to solve personal problems. The army and other law enforcement agencies become caste structures, which are closed to outsiders.

Someone recently wrote on the forum that the army has always been the beloved child of our people. And there is. But even a beloved child should be controlled by a parent, I say this as a father with many children. Recently they wrote that Shoigu ordered to find students from St. Petersburg programming champions and involve them in work at the Ministry of Defense. Or he can look under his nose and put things in order in their own universities. Mozhaika, by the way, is very close, at one metro station from that institute, and they train specialists there, including those in programming.

Our army is actively rearming, it is planned to spend three trillion rubles only on equipment for the EKR troops. Who will sit at the remote in a few years? Again we will wait for the fall of rockets and satellites? A year ago, I couldn’t imagine that I would approve of Stalin’s actions, but it looks like we just need a new 37 year, albeit without bloody consequences. Cardinal cleaning at the top is overdue and overripe. The world is restless, and with such an approach to personnel decisions, we don’t have to wait for anything good.  

My daughter is now hard, she is strong, fastened. She was accustomed to winning in school and in sports, but in a fair fight. Army life she liked, it would have made a great officer. She asks: "Why are they so with me?" What should I answer her, gentlemen officers?  

PS My youngest boy, said, I will go to Mozhaika too. Will anything change in ten years?
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  1. Arberes
    Arberes 8 July 2013 07: 47 New
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    Will anything change in ten years? I'm afraid not! Russia is such a country that lives its own dimension with great inertia and inhibition.
    The article is topical, just the cry of the soul! It’s a pity that everything turns out that way. hi
    1. afire
      afire 8 July 2013 09: 12 New
      30
      Maybe it makes sense to raise the noise "on the ears" up to Shoigu?
      It turns out insanity and delirium, since the "granddaughters" are unlikely to serve, they only need a crust, then this dibilka will go to the right office and that's all - a rat's career for life, and this girl would serve and there is a high probability that she has served would be honest to the highest rank and erased the "granddaughter" in an honest conclusion to clean water. Plus the sense from it and the efficiency is much higher than from the stupid budget-sitting "granddaughter". If a person has not done anything on his own already at that age, then in the future there will be only ambition, greed and pride, there will be no talk of devotion.
      1. Joker
        Joker 8 July 2013 10: 50 New
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        My eldest daughter graduated from high school this year, and very well, received a gold medal. She showed a penchant for exact sciences, studied in the information and mathematics class of the Lyceum, became the winner and the winner of several regional and All-Russian Olympiads in physics, mathematics and computer science. Also engaged in sports. She is a candidate for master of sports (brown belt) in karate, a multiple winner of tournaments in the Central Federal District and Russia.

        Clever, Dad has something to be proud of. And my daughter and myself, that such a clever raised hi
      2. Joker
        Joker 8 July 2013 11: 13 New
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        Maybe it makes sense to raise the noise "on the ears" up to Shoigu?
        Good morning, Dmitry, it is everywhere and not only in military universities, but also in the police and the usual state, in private even less, you need to make a fuss, and not even specifically about this. Now a specialist without dating and bribes to work in the state. the institution will be arranged VERY difficult, I would say it is almost impossible, and even if you get settled then having come there you understand what kind of .. you got, not in terms of the cost of delivery. and conditions, in terms of career growth, all the same z.p. should at least keep up with inflation, and it grows races in 10 for a couple of thousand rubles, make up for the lag really due to good work and promotions, BUT, now you can safely work on one position all your life, no matter if you are super talented, anyway commanding positions are scored on 100 years in advance by relatives and especially close superiors; now there is nothing surprising when the whole family works in one place. The most annoying thing is that I’m not revealing any secret, and everyone knows about it perfectly well, but no one does anything, the people are silent and the government, respectively, about sets of talented nonsense and bullshit, will be the same as everywhere else where to push kids to politicians in case of what, and what, he put money in and he was in a scientific company, drove the noodle and served like in the army. Russia will be saved only by dissolving the government and recruiting a new one and from new people; none of the old ones should be, they have already shown themselves. All these Zhirinovsky, Zyuganov and others have already sat up, as well as their parties that are visible only before the elections. No matter how we rubbed that life became better, in fact, nothing changes, we are increasingly liberalizing and capitalizing, we need 37 year, correctly Stalin said that the wind of time will blow away all the lies that were said about him and really every day it becomes all clearer why 37 was needed, even the Germans, who at first were happy about Stalin's purges, saying that all the color was jailed and shot, they understood why all this was done, because they didn’t work to shake the USSR from inside because there was some uncertainty planted in the end though we lost in the war experience for the win in the organization, we did not have such as in Chechnya, where their same location rented our army, and even overthrown by helicopter supplies bearded. I am becoming a fan of Stalin more and more, for all his shortcomings, he is the type of leader that our country needs, a kind of tough business executive, the people love, but he doesn’t give a chance to roam the wide Russian soul, he knew what it would lead to.
        1. Babon
          Babon 8 July 2013 14: 43 New
          +9
          and even if you get settled, then when you go there you understand what kind of .. you got

          It’s quite possible to settle down, only it will be like this
          I have been in the civil service for 10 years, young people come with really burning eyes, they really want to serve the Motherland, but after half a year the eyes become aloof, I specifically observed. Since in leadership positions really are relatives, or classmates, classmates. And they are all who are checking. who is on duty, who is responsible ... In addition to material benefits, they do not need anything, and after that you start to think, here is patriotism in your head, but the higher authorities have nothing of the kind, they bring up their children - "bad Moscow air" I heard that, the children rested all summer over the hill. Just why not Baikal, not Chukotka? When such a bosses, where does patriotism come from?
        2. Babon
          Babon 8 July 2013 14: 50 New
          +6
          And career growth is possible, only in front of the leadership we valued completely different qualities. Drink competently with the authorities, "knock", give presents more often.
        3. Papakiko
          Papakiko 8 July 2013 16: 45 New
          +3
          Quote: Joker
          I become more and more a fan of Stalin, with all his shortcomings, he is the type of leader that our country needs, a kind of tough business executive,

          You have strong faith in the "king-father".
          Society needs to get up and defend its interests.
          First, deal with the housing and communal services and the rest will be quickly sorted out, turn.
          Quote: Joker
          but he didn’t let the wide Russian soul go for a walk, he knew it was clear where this would lead.

          After the introduction of the law on the "short-barreled", the lion's share of officials and aligarhs will go to the graves or run away abroad, and from there they will start to incite the "democrats-liberals, the holy of civilization."
          In my "optimistic" opinion, this is the only way to radically and abruptly break the back of this aligarchic-bureaucratic hydra.
          1. Revolver
            Revolver 9 July 2013 04: 50 New
            +3
            Quote: Papakiko
            After the introduction of the law on the "short-barreled", the lion's share of officials and aligarhs (maybe Oligarchs after all?) Will go to their graves or run away abroad

            Do not flatter yourself. Will not lie down and run away. In America, there are a lot of trunks on hand, but at least I have, so what? Liberast sits on the liberast and drives the liberast. The funny thing is, there are many owners of barrels, more serious than my 7.62, it happens that they vote for the liberals, the same Obama. And even those to whom the liberals will not go through their throats with trunks to sort things out, and I will not go either, because "I respect the criminal code" © Ostap Bender. And more than that, I don't want Obama to be spanked, because then they will make a liberal icon like Kennedy, who was also that shot, but he was spanked and now he is almost a saint. Better to let Obama leave quietly in disgrace like Jimmy Carter.
            And if anyone gets to your "favorite" officials and oligarchs, it will not be "short-barreled", but more markedly and more remotely, like at least "Vintorez".
            Kennedy was killed with a rifle and optics. And on Reagan, that idiot Hinckley went with a "stubby" and did not succeed.
        4. JonnyT
          JonnyT 8 July 2013 17: 13 New
          -1
          SUCH everywhere and not only in military universities

          I do not want to live in such a state ...
          1. Joker
            Joker 8 July 2013 22: 59 New
            +1
            I do not want to live in such a state ...

            And where will you go?
          2. CTEPX
            CTEPX 9 July 2013 05: 12 New
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            Quote: JonnyT
            I do not want to live in such a state ...

            We live in the Fatherland)). And the state is its outwardly visible structure (shell). But there is indeed yolk and protein)).
            For example, here)).
      3. dmb
        dmb 8 July 2013 13: 02 New
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        Of course, raise it, at the same time ask Shoigu how his eldest daughter, in 27 years, headed the psychological service of the entire ministry, where dad was a minister, the youngest successfully entered MGIMO, and his sister naturally became a State Duma deputy from EP. A surprisingly talented family.
        1. Babon
          Babon 8 July 2013 14: 53 New
          +7
          how his eldest daughter at the age of 27 headed the psychological service of the entire ministry

          Most importantly, he beat himself in the chest with almost a fist that he would not use his official position, and that in the Ministry of Emergencies his relatives would not be at all, since he was the head.
          1. vjhbc
            vjhbc 8 July 2013 16: 32 New
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            but he didn’t use it 100% or do you think that he ordered or asked there to take daughters somewhere do not tell me his daughters honestly submitted documents for work and study on a common basis and they were taken everywhere since they are the best and all the documents are they simply confirm that any official has a special body by which he determines exactly what needs to be done for another official and he does not need to ask anything
            Quote: Babon
            how his eldest daughter at the age of 27 headed the psychological service of the entire ministry

            Most importantly, he beat himself in the chest with almost a fist that he would not use his official position, and that in the Ministry of Emergencies his relatives would not be at all, since he was the head.
        2. Papakiko
          Papakiko 8 July 2013 17: 03 New
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          Quote: dmb
          how his eldest daughter at the age of 27 headed the psychological service of the entire ministry

          They will answer that there is no more inadequate hysterical fool in Russia.
          Quote: dmb
          the youngest successfully entered MGIMO

          Well, obviously, solely by her abilities and comprehensive development. (Not any vulgarity, she can really fumble in many disceptions, I hope sincerely wink )
          Quote: dmb
          sister became a State Duma deputy

          It was the people who moved her, and she carried this banner of the people's chosen one.
      4. baltika-18
        baltika-18 8 July 2013 13: 18 New
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        Quote: afire
        Maybe it makes sense to raise the noise "on the ears" up to Shoigu?

        And you write.
        Only then inform whether or not they answered you.
      5. Apologet.Ru
        Apologet.Ru 8 July 2013 14: 12 New
        +6
        Maybe it makes sense to raise the noise "on the ears" up to Shoigu?

        It makes sense! The Army needs Officers, not Arbat Voivods ...
      6. Papakiko
        Papakiko 8 July 2013 16: 38 New
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        Quote: afire
        Maybe it makes sense to raise the noise "on the ears" up to Shoigu?

        There is a straight road to the GDP, so why bother with a kozhegedovich.
        And the odds are all the same close to ZERO.

        Everything is like in a good old joke.
        -Can the general’s son become a marshal?
        -NO! Marshal has his own son!
      7. survivor
        survivor 8 July 2013 17: 08 New
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        I fully support the military site of M.O. It cannot be ignored, if only because many military men actively publish and communicate here. Ignore the site will lead to a downgrade M.O. so I think you should raise a buch and organize a survey of site members. you can connect other sites of a similar plan !!! give a poll!
    2. Letterksi
      Letterksi 8 July 2013 13: 54 New
      +3
      I think it will change. In 12 years, much will change. Those who create lawlessness will leave. But no one can sit quietly on the sidelines
    3. Theophanes
      Theophanes 8 July 2013 16: 11 New
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      Glory to Stalin !!!! and s7 !!
    4. vjhbc
      vjhbc 8 July 2013 16: 22 New
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      even with bloody tsarism, teachers tried to take talented children from the bottom to universities, and now it turns out that we are selecting the opposite, therefore, such garbage in the country will only increase as normal people are screened out at the initial level, so that Russians are getting less and less chances that the country will still come out of der
      Quote: Arberes
      Will anything change in ten years? I'm afraid not! Russia is such a country that lives its own dimension with great inertia and inhibition.
      The article is topical, just the cry of the soul! It’s a pity that everything turns out that way. hi
      1. S_mirnov
        S_mirnov 8 July 2013 17: 32 New
        +3
        There are chances, people are gradually waking up!
        http://demotivation.me/o4inv18h1unapic.html#t8808798
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qcIUC4u1uY
        In the city of Pugachev already woke up!
        1. CTEPX
          CTEPX 9 July 2013 06: 11 New
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          Quote: S_mirnov
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qcIUC4u1uY

          This is a fake)). The shooting of the armored personnel carriers happened a little earlier)).
    5. nycsson
      nycsson 8 July 2013 18: 41 New
      +4
      Moreover, the personal qualities of the candidate do not solve anything, the solution to the issue depends on the availability of connections or money.

      Unfortunately it is! You won’t do without money or connections.
    6. starshina78
      starshina78 8 July 2013 21: 11 New
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      Have you forgotten the anecdote: "The son of a general asks dad:" Dad, will I be a general? "Dad replies:" You will! "The son asks again:" And the marshal? " , " No ! "the dad replies -" The marshals have their sons! ". The institution of proteges and benefactors has not yet been canceled, with the material incentive of the service, which has appeared now.
  2. My address
    My address 8 July 2013 07: 51 New
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    Hmmm. It's sad. If you write everything Shoigu, then there will be a sense, but only for the next. "Generals" will not let this girl serve normally.
    1. baltika-18
      baltika-18 8 July 2013 09: 50 New
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      Quote: My address
      whether to write everything Shoigu, then there will be sense

      There will be no sense from Shoigu.
      This is a system. And to change it, you need to change everything, the world to change.
      1. nov_tech.vrn
        nov_tech.vrn 8 July 2013 10: 35 New
        +4
        maybe it’s worth it, these people are cowardly enough, and to threaten and realize threats things are different, but if it works out then all the steps she will have are labor.
      2. olviko
        olviko 8 July 2013 13: 06 New
        +6
        The fish rots from the head, just a change of people can not do. It is necessary to uproot this ideology, in which he is right who has more rights, who is richer, he is steeper. Until this is done, everything else makes no sense.
      3. Apologet.Ru
        Apologet.Ru 8 July 2013 14: 13 New
        +2
        Serdyukov already changed ...
    2. pensioner
      pensioner 8 July 2013 09: 52 New
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      Quote: My address
      The "generals" will not let this girl serve normally.

      Good afternoon, Alexander! Yes, even generals are not needed here. And peers are bitten so that be healthy! What, what, and they know how to poison life in the army, as in our country ...
      1. My address
        My address 8 July 2013 12: 55 New
        +4
        Hi, Yuri!
        And a lot of this, when a person wants, but is not allowed. And a lot, when with lazy and to pull, and quickly get bored. I tried to fight with indifferent and thieves, they are worse than stupid, but who want to do. The latter always, to the surprise of all, are seeking.
        1. pensioner
          pensioner 8 July 2013 13: 29 New
          +3
          Yeah: Talents need help. Mediocrity will break through themselves ...
    3. kris
      kris 8 July 2013 11: 58 New
      +8
      The defendant in the case of fraud in Oboronservis, Yevgeny Vasilyev, placed under house arrest by a court decision, has the right to walk around the city for three hours a day, RIA Novosti reports with reference to lawyer Vasilyeva Alexander Gofshtein. The lawyer's statement was made after the blogs showed photos of a woman similar to Vasilyev in a boutique in Stoleshnikov Lane in Moscow.

      According to Gofshtein, Vasiliev has the right to manage the time allotted to her for a walk independently. He noted that his client wears a special bracelet and another device that tracks her movements. Gofshtein emphasized that the court did not prohibit Vasilyeva from using personal or public transport.
    4. survivor
      survivor 8 July 2013 17: 13 New
      0
      and that would not overwrite, these generals, you can arrange a kind of observation of the actions thereof. it’s time for already talented ones, but to raise the early ones in spite of the whole uniform in uniform!
  3. serge-68-68
    serge-68-68 8 July 2013 07: 53 New
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    I think she is very lucky. The disappointment later would have been much more serious. The Russian army is not for women. And in this sense, it will not change soon. And in all other senses - the same. When I was studying at the border school (1985) there was no corruption, women were not taken, the children of officers who worked at the Moscow Border Guard went to Golitsinskoye, a couple of "majors", whose dads had very big stars, ran and jumped like everyone else etc. One such person who refused to run as part of a group, even with the equipment removed, was just kicked to the finish line, and no one even said "meow". And now I am even afraid to be interested in what is happening in the military taught ..., ugh, military institutions ...
    Lucky for her. And you too.
    1. Captain Vrungel
      Captain Vrungel 8 July 2013 09: 47 New
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      Fortunately, we studied during the days of socialism. Now capitalism, however. In the first place is the benefit, albeit state-owned, but already practically "personal" universities, where they are guided by other principles, "What will I get from this." The lamps of their stupid offspring (smart ones go abroad) were thrown and handed carte blanche. Choose and complete as it suits you best. But the worst thing is that these offspring end up serving in the Arbat garrison of the special Sadovo-Koltsevoy district. What useful things do they bring to the army? Ambition, arrogance and stupid martyrs.
      It is necessary to change the order and system of admission to military universities. The main evil is the medical board. It is necessary to pass not at the medical unit of the university, but in the garrison hospital, where there should be standard conclusions, for example:
      -Good to drill without limits
      -Goden to drill
      -Good for non-combat service
      Physical training-delivery of relevant standards. (Don’t give up, pump muscles until next year)
      Entrance exams are open and vowels with full information about passing the test of the examiners in order to stop admission through the back porch. The replacement commissions should include independent representatives (specialists).
      All this should limit the appetites and impudence of the "owners" of establishments and in the power of those who fatten with their offspring.
      The real army begins beyond the Moscow Ring Road. Inside are bureaucratic centers with office plankton and amusement troops to service the Army Elite.
      1. Papakiko
        Papakiko 8 July 2013 16: 53 New
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        Quote: Captain Vrungel
        It is necessary to change the order and system of admission to military universities. The main evil is the medical board. It is necessary to pass not at the medical unit of the university, but in the garrison hospital, where there should be standard conclusions,

        In this light, a copy certified by the head doctor of the "medical card" should be taken "stupidly".
        But, turn, the next varnishes will be used.
        Including the target set. (This is around and around now coming)
    2. sergey32
      8 July 2013 11: 10 New
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      My daughter told me today, the officers did not believe that she herself had obtained a high result in the Unified State Examination, and asked questions about physics and mathematics. One quietly advised, if you do, learn to pretend to be dumb, they do not like smart people in the army.
      1. Captain Vrungel
        Captain Vrungel 8 July 2013 11: 21 New
        +6
        Can you imagine how irritating it will be for big-star, but stupid.
        But an intelligent person will find. how to behave in this serpentarium.
        Good luck to her. All plans in life.
        1. Joker
          Joker 8 July 2013 12: 11 New
          +7
          But an intelligent person will find. how to behave in this serpentarium.

          Aha, of course he will find, it will be foolish to pretend, not life, but a fairy tale sad What did Putin say about patriotism? What the hell is patriotism with such an attitude towards people? Already tired of waiting for bright times, they feed me every day tomorrow and show how bad people live in the West, then all scientists go there, probably from a good life. I feel there will be a revolution, nowhere without it, the people and those in power on different waves have been for many years now, the Russians are patient, but patience sometimes ends. You seem to be living normally, everything is measured and you begin to think that everything is getting better, but no, you just have to start making out something like getting up in front of today's realities, and then you’re going to give up and want to send everyone far away.
          1. baltika-18
            baltika-18 8 July 2013 16: 36 New
            +5
            Quote: Joker
            You live like normal, everything is measured and you start to think that everything is getting better, but no, you just have to start making out something when you get up in front of today's realities, then your hands drop and you want to send everyone to hell

            NOT to send, to strangle the hunt. How many times I restrained myself so that I couldn’t grab the throat for sure. Any petty bureaucratic trash thinks of himself as a navel of land, as if they’ll probably run into
            Quote: Joker
            I feel there will be a revolution, without it, nowhere, people and those in power on different waves

            Last week, bureaucrats from the administration came to check the adjacent territories (they are preparing for the arrival of the Bear), wrote me an order to clean the municipal territory adjacent to my house, where a tree was cut down and left uncleaned by a certain LLC "Improvement", working under an agreement with the administration It is useless to prove anything, refused to clean up, they said that they would be fined, I replied that I would meet in court, I would win the trial, I consulted, that's not the point. The sediment in my soul is extremely unpleasant.
      2. aviamed90
        aviamed90 12 July 2013 15: 22 New
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        sergey32

        My opinion: it was necessary to endure and, as it is not disgusting, to "grease" who should be.
        And not because you approve of such a path, but because it depends on how the future fate, life and career of your daughter will turn out.
        You endure theft in the upper echelons, non-compliance with the Constitution, inequality, etc. And, at the same time, do not tear Bosko to the culprits, although you do not agree with them?

        In addition, you do not shove it against the will of a military university? Is not it? Well!
        A person has a sincere desire to serve the Motherland. We must achieve our goal in the conditions and according to the rules of the game that the STATE IMPOSED ON US. We are not yet in a position to change these conditions for the better. One must live here and now, especially for the young. And she has no time to wait until the "bright future" comes.

        And don't get me wrong - I'm not at all a supporter of the adage that the end justifies the means. In this case, the state itself forces us to use these funds. From his point of view, this is normal.

        And to graduate from a civilian university (even if it’s prestigious) and then work in a profession that you don’t like — I wouldn’t wish anyone like that! And who will give you a guarantee that they will not demand the same from you at this university? And, what, the child doesn’t go anywhere at all?

        And the daughter would have to, in this case, explain what and how. Your child is not stupid - I would understand!

        I wish her good luck!
        1. sergey32
          15 July 2013 01: 09 New
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          Among my friends there were cases when people gave money to enter a university or work, but there was no result. He took the money (in one case, the military, in another policeman) then said, well, I'm sorry, it happened, the money has already gone upstairs. Some parents stated to the prosecutor’s office, they condemned the bribe-taker, but they didn’t return the money, according to the law it is not allowed. And now they are rolling out such a price tag that not everyone can pull it out.
  4. Canep
    Canep 8 July 2013 07: 58 New
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    From KVN: Question: can the colonel’s son become a general? Answer: no, the general also has a son.
    The story is typical for boys.
  5. Fox
    Fox 8 July 2013 08: 09 New
    10
    I sympathize ... but ... we were recruited to the special department ONLY according to recommendations, after comprehensive checks and commissions. Now only by phone calls. Also with education.
  6. erased
    erased 8 July 2013 08: 13 New
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    The fish is rotten from the head. And now throw away even trillions, even billions, if "there" there is no brains, no conscience, no honor, all the money can be written off as a minus. And with them the country. It has already been sold, sawn, divided, mastered. As well as the people.
    1. Airman
      Airman 8 July 2013 09: 32 New
      11
      Quote: erased
      The fish is rotten from the head. And now throw away even trillions, even billions, if "there" there is no brains, no conscience, no honor, all the money can be written off as a minus. And with them the country. It has already been sold, sawn, divided, mastered. As well as the people.

      In the days of field-assisted furniture, most literate, honest, military officers were fired or were fired. The reduction of the officers from 350 to 000 hit the quality condition of the officer corps, especially the top. Adaptives and jo ... are left, and they all want to create their own dynasties. What can come of such an officer? the same fit! And daddy will attach his son or daughter to a warm place, and an officer without blat will serve at the point. Shoigu promised to disperse the leadership of scientific companies if he finds at least one thieves there.
      1. nov_tech.vrn
        nov_tech.vrn 8 July 2013 09: 56 New
        +4
        The path has been going on since the end of the 80s, when the efforts of the country's leadership and the so-called democrats began to persecute military personnel, in schools where there was a shortage they hired anyone, they grew up and began to lead according to their own ideas, but the subsequent actions only introduced their own corrections, nepotism and corruption, the army is a cut of society, and the manager showed his talents to the utmost, only honest officers still exist, I hope their children can serve, they do not know by rumors what an irregular working day is, and how shoulder straps put pressure on their shoulders, the dynasty - that word is good.
        1. Airman
          Airman 8 July 2013 11: 11 New
          +8
          Quote: nov_tech.vrn
          The path has been going on since the end of the 80s, when the efforts of the country's leadership and the so-called democrats began to persecute military personnel, in schools where there was a shortage they hired anyone, they grew up and began to lead according to their own ideas, but the subsequent actions only introduced their own corrections, nepotism and corruption, the army is a cut of society, and the manager showed his talents to the utmost, only honest officers still exist, I hope their children can serve, they do not know by rumors what an irregular working day is, and how shoulder straps put pressure on their shoulders, the dynasty - that word is good.


          I am not against dynasties for which the words "there is such a profession - to defend the Motherland" is not an empty space. I am against dynasties for which the service is limited to the "Arbat" district.
  7. Armata
    Armata 8 July 2013 08: 13 New
    15
    Sergei. Now this is happening in all universities. Advise your daughter to go to a commercial clinic, well, or to any other (the policy allows you to contact any clinic). And if there are 2 conclusions from independent, this "doctor" will have nowhere to go if she values ​​her place. My son went to the army so as not to get into the construction battalion, it passed.
    1. sergey32
      8 July 2013 08: 30 New
      26
      She was kicked out at the checkpoint yesterday. They consulted with the doctors, the diagnosis is tricky, if today any examination shows that there is nothing, this does not mean that yesterday was not.
      It's a shame another thing, my daughter arrived this morning, she says the strongest were eliminated, for her, for example, in all subjects of the Unified State Examination not lower than 90, so many of the remaining 35-40. There is also trouble with a fizuha, many cannot even run on a charge.
      1. Armata
        Armata 8 July 2013 08: 44 New
        10
        Quote: sergey32
        She was kicked out at the checkpoint yesterday. They consulted with the doctors, the diagnosis is tricky, if today any examination shows that there is nothing, this does not mean that yesterday was not.
        It's a shame another thing, my daughter arrived this morning, she says the strongest were eliminated, for her, for example, in all subjects of the Unified State Examination not lower than 90, so many of the remaining 35-40. There is also trouble with a fizuha, many cannot even run on a charge.
        Let it go to the legal. There everything is not so bad there, and then it may come there for the second. Let it not lose hope and strive, then everything will be as she wants.
        1. sergey32
          8 July 2013 08: 53 New
          19
          Yes, she will not be lost in civilian life, now we are submitting documents to Baumanka, Voenmekh. She is a techie, lawyers and without her more than necessary.
          But as Shevchuk sang, what will happen to the Motherland and us.
          1. Armata
            Armata 8 July 2013 08: 58 New
            13
            Quote: sergey32
            Yes, she will not be lost in civilian life, now we are submitting documents to Baumanka, Voenmekh. She is a techie, lawyers and without her more than necessary.
            Literate people will not disappear anywhere. Good luck to her. drinks
            Quote: sergey32
            But as Shevchuk sang, what will happen to the Motherland and us
            As long as there are those who love their homeland, we will live.
          2. Lopatov
            Lopatov 8 July 2013 09: 03 New
            +9
            Quote: sergey32
            Yes, she will not be lost in civilian life, now we are submitting documents to Baumanka, Voenmekh.

            The right decision. And then, if he wants to join the troops, he will have to scratch himself a little in the last year, walk directly through the military units. By this time, they have been buying for two years without regular lieutenants ("Serdyukov's failure"), so it will be possible to reach an agreement without any problems.
          3. Mairos
            Mairos 8 July 2013 09: 52 New
            +4
            Good luck to you! Mine is coming this year too. )))
            1. baltika-18
              baltika-18 8 July 2013 13: 25 New
              +4
              Quote: Mairos
              Good luck to you! Mine is coming this year too. )))

              And I have another problem. The daughter of the university has finished. We must look for work.
              Therefore, you have to go by the already normal way. Connect connections and money.
              Cynical, but the system rules. Do not go to her after 5 years of study as a seller.
              1. Dmitry_2013
                Dmitry_2013 8 July 2013 16: 09 New
                +1
                Why look? Does your city have employment problems? And what is my daughter's specialty?
                1. baltika-18
                  baltika-18 8 July 2013 16: 40 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Dmitry_2013
                  And what is my daughter's specialty?

                  Sociological and Psychological Faculty of Ivanovo State University.
                  By profession, a problem, a sales assistant at least where.
                  1. Dmitry_2013
                    Dmitry_2013 8 July 2013 16: 46 New
                    0
                    and in the Ministry of Emergencies do not take? Or is there another direction?
                    1. baltika-18
                      baltika-18 8 July 2013 17: 30 New
                      0
                      Quote: Dmitry_2013
                      and in the Ministry of Emergencies do not take? Or is there another direction?

                      The police, the Ministry of Emergency Situations is on the profile, but rests in communications and money, so just do not break through, we solve this issue.
                      1. Dmitry_2013
                        Dmitry_2013 9 July 2013 08: 19 New
                        0
                        And with such a profile, they are hired by a recruitment specialist, or a personnel manager. There are about 10 jobs in your area on a super job. Look, maybe it’s suitable.
          4. survivor
            survivor 8 July 2013 17: 17 New
            +3
            Everything will be fine with the Motherland, if we learn not to separate it from ourselves!
          5. fartfraer
            fartfraer 8 July 2013 18: 14 New
            +2
            Sergey, I didn’t read all the comments, the general meaning and mood are clear to me. I want to express my sincere admiration to bring up my daughter, I need to be a super-dad. I hope everything will be fine and your daughter will succeed.
            with respect
    2. Vadivak
      Vadivak 8 July 2013 09: 08 New
      12
      Quote: Mechanic
      Advise your daughter to go to the commercial clinic


      I drove mine, they found something that was not there, but for a decent amount they promised to cure it, we almost went crazy until we turned to the "Soviet" doctor
      1. Armata
        Armata 8 July 2013 09: 11 New
        +8
        Quote: Vadivak
        I drove my own, found something that was not there, but for a decent amount promised to cure it, we almost went crazy until we turned to the "Soviet" doctor

        Hi Vadim. It’s easier for me with a poet, after the army he calmly entered the Artillery Academy (although I wanted him to go to UPI). Now he will study there.
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak 8 July 2013 09: 20 New
          +7
          Quote: Mechanic
          after the army he calmly entered the Artillery Academy (although I wanted him to go to UPI).


          Hi Zhenya, the fact that your boyfriend so decided is his choice and you only need to welcome his independence - good luck to him.
      2. kris
        kris 8 July 2013 09: 33 New
        +7
        Quote: Vadivak
        I drove mine, they found something that was not there, but for a decent amount they promised to cure it, we almost went crazy until we turned to the "Soviet" doctor

        Well this is a classic of commercial clinics.
        divorced a couple more dozen analyzes.
      3. baltika-18
        baltika-18 8 July 2013 17: 34 New
        +2
        Quote: Vadivak
        I drove mine, they found something that was not there, but for a decent amount they promised to cure it, we almost went crazy until we turned to the "Soviet" doctor

        That's the plaque fly everywhere ..... Money, money, money ...
        Got ....
  8. My address
    My address 8 July 2013 08: 40 New
    13
    Almost the topic.
    Just read, in China, the former minister Jeldor was sentenced to death for bribes in 10 million. Nightmare! Why not to house arrest and with the right 3 an hour a day to walk wherever he wants!
    True, but the Chinese army is one of the most combat-ready, and we only need to lick ourselves at machine building, electrical engineering and electronics ...
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 8 July 2013 09: 15 New
      11
      Quote: My address
      Why not to house arrest and with the right to walk for 3 hours a day where he wants!


      He needs us, just under the presidential amnesty and will get back to work
  9. pinecone
    pinecone 8 July 2013 08: 43 New
    10
    But many of the "thieves" are not going to serve at all after graduating from military schools, since for them it is just an opportunity to get higher education for free and, as a rule, close to home. Some also go abroad. Disgusting.
  10. Xnumx kopeek
    Xnumx kopeek 8 July 2013 08: 46 New
    +2
    Quote: pinecone
    But many of the "thieves" are not going to serve at all after graduating from military schools, since for them it is just an opportunity to get higher education for free and, as a rule, close to home. Some also go abroad. Disgusting.
    -
    - The army should be made professional. - Do you have money for the Olympics? yes, but to the trade union - no.
    1. Mairos
      Mairos 8 July 2013 09: 57 New
      +8
      Here it infuriates me too - the Olympics, championships - they’ll finance all crap, but there’s no money up to the bargain.
      1. kris
        kris 8 July 2013 10: 16 New
        +6
        Quote: Mairos
        Here it infuriates me too - the Olympics, championships - they’ll finance all crap, but there’s no money up to the bargain.

        you don’t have so much on the archive room!
      2. Xnumx kopeek
        Xnumx kopeek 8 July 2013 10: 38 New
        +5
        Quote: Mairos
        Here it infuriates me too - the Olympics, championships - they’ll finance all crap, but there’s no money up to the bargain.
        -
        - Namely, Monsieur. I still don't understand what "nanotechnology" is -? -
        - belay - a lot of money is wasted -
        -probably a global trend. About 4 years ago I read that in England they published a book "How to use house slippers safely" - / fact / wassat
        1. kris
          kris 8 July 2013 10: 46 New
          +3
          Quote: 20 kopeek
          - - a lot of money goes to the wind -

          not in the wind, but in the pockets! laughing
        2. Fox
          Fox 8 July 2013 11: 44 New
          +4
          Quote: 20 kopeek
          what is "nanotechnology" -? -

          Well, a brick, for example, consists of clay nanoparticles ... sugar mixed in tea is also nanotechnology. something like this.
  11. ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 8 July 2013 08: 51 New
    +9
    These are the ones with 35-40 points and will continue to "rule the show". What kind of specialists, such equipment will be, such and defensive ability will be. Sergei Smolnikov speaks correctly
    ... A year ago, I could not imagine that I would approve of Stalin's actions, but it seems that we just need a new 37 year, albeit without bloody consequences ...

    I completely agree with this.
    1. Armata
      Armata 8 July 2013 09: 01 New
      +5
      Quote: ia-ai00
      I totally agree with that
      Greetings Olga. Unfortunately, time cannot be turned back. 2 \ 3 generations of NEXT are already lost for the future of Russia (the way we see these future, they have their own)
      1. Captain Vrungel
        Captain Vrungel 8 July 2013 10: 37 New
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        Good afternoon, Eugene. I don’t know how it’s 37 (this is a cosmetic cleaning), but 17 can happen again. In our Ukraine, the people are slowly beginning to show the authorities who should be the boss in the house. An example of the 10 thousandth district center Vradiyevka founded in 1712. It looks like a quiet provincial village. The authorities with their gopniks in police uniforms, with their lawlessness, brought thousands of villagers out into the street, who stormed the regional police department, where the criminals in uniform took refuge. At the same time, they destroyed the huge pig farm of the head of the regional department, the tsar-feudal lord. The people rose up without any incitement from the "politicians." The coalition is squealing quietly, the opposition is hiding in the bushes. Vradiyevskie activists organized a march on foot to Kiev demanding no reprisals from the authorities, especially the police and prosecutors, against the participants in the riot. Performances in support of the Vradievites were held in many cities and will join the march participants. This is not a bell. This is a serious call for the fattening celestials in power and their brazen outrageous gopniks in police uniforms.
        1. Armata
          Armata 8 July 2013 10: 59 New
          +3
          Good afternoon, Yuri. Do many youth participate in the march?
          1. Captain Vrungel
            Captain Vrungel 8 July 2013 11: 44 New
            +7
            Mostly young people and went, but at the age of 20 to 30 years. The authorities are trying to discredit them, they say not all from Vradiyevka, from other regional centers and Nikolaev. But this is one area with lawless people in power and sadistic gangsters in the police, who thunders with their criminal lawlessness. How it was necessary to bring the people, and the people are wonderful, hardworking, many Bulgarians. I’ll tell you a secret. If there is an opportunity to drop by on the way to them, then you will not buy more delicious fragrant tender smoked meats. That is why the head of the regional department imagines himself a pig feudal lord and turned the people into vassals, serfs, farm laborers. And his subordinate Gestapo Gopniks all rolled into one.
            The authorities think that the more niches and destitute, the easier it is to manage. It is mistaken. It all starts with a timid red cockerel and can end in a huge fire, and a fire is uncontrolled burning and the result is difficult to predict. Only one thing is predictable. Both the authorities and the people will be bad. Enough power to rob and fatten, It's time to turn on the brain, the shelf is not completely flooded with fat. Ahead is not painted life, but a disaster.
            1. Captain Vrungel
              Captain Vrungel 8 July 2013 12: 15 New
              +6
              Imagine to what state it was necessary to bring the villagers, accustomed to a long-term, professionally honed, unhurried way of life, in order to rise to thousands and rush unarmed to storm the regional department, where bandits in police uniform, who were shit with fear, settled down, letting on gas and firing from standard weapons ... There are wounded. Arriving "Berkut" did not enter the village for a long time, and when it entered, modestly, quietly slipped into the courtyard of the regional department, without their beloved brandishing clubs and bold attacks ten to one. Failed.
      2. baltika-18
        baltika-18 8 July 2013 17: 38 New
        +4
        Quote: Mechanic
        Greetings Olga. Unfortunately, time cannot be turned back. 2 \ 3 generations of NEXT are already lost for the future of Russia (the way we see these future, they have their own)

        No, Zhenya, they are not shocked. If serious changes in the system begin within 2-3 years, then everything will be fine. I already have a daughter and son-in-law agreed with the advantages of the socialist system.
        1. fartfraer
          fartfraer 8 July 2013 18: 23 New
          +3
          baltika-18, I will support you. I communicate a lot with young people (let's say 16-22 years old), there are a lot of people among them who think quite competently (in my opinion) about statehood and political structure, and so on, youth have become these questions are interesting, young people are more active in social plans than we are (I'm 31 so far), they are drawn to knowledge (I don’t argue that there are exceptions, but a massive, let's say, the emergence of interest in history, etc. among my acquaintances "youth" very noticeably). I liked that information (any) is evaluated, and not taken on faith, they are looking for different sources, somehow analyzed. In short, I do not believe in the lost generation, on the contrary, I think that in spite of everything, it is these young people who will "raise from their knees" the country ...
          1. Nu daaaa ...
            Nu daaaa ... 9 July 2013 02: 09 New
            -6
            Anyone who is not a socialist at age 20 does not have a heart.
            Anyone who remains a socialist at age 40 has no mind.

            Sergeja pozdravljaju, tak kak sam imeju dvuh docherei i syna, znaju, što znachit detei vyrastit. No obchem- strannye u vas problemy ... A za granitsu ne dumali? Jesli obrazovanie hotet. Dlja talantlivyh vsjakie stipendij suštšestvujut ... V Tartu mnogo inostrannyh studentov, v tom chisle is Rossij. V Tallinne toze.
            1. nov_tech.vrn
              nov_tech.vrn 12 July 2013 14: 05 New
              0
              Churchill must be quoted verbatim, if you have already decided, and do not prejudice
        2. nycsson
          nycsson 8 July 2013 23: 38 New
          +1
          Quote: baltika-18
          If during the 2-3 years serious changes in the system begin, then everything will be fine.

          They are watching us. Normally, there will not be any. They won’t give. Too much money has been invested in us. hi
  12. ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 8 July 2013 08: 59 New
    +6
    My address (1)
    ... I just read that in China the former minister was sentenced to death for bribes of $ 10 million. A nightmare! Why not to house arrest and with the right to walk for 3 hours a day where he wants! ...

    What China, but not "TOLERANT"! Nightmare!
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 8 July 2013 09: 22 New
      +7
      Quote: ia-ai00
      Which China, however "not TOLERANT


      But in the Russian Federation, theft is amnestied and therefore welcome
  13. Kopvin
    Kopvin 8 July 2013 09: 14 New
    +4
    It’s a pity, I wish you success in your further search for an institution to your liking ...
  14. deman73
    deman73 8 July 2013 09: 21 New
    +4
    I’m afraid that nothing will change, our bureaucrats don’t need patriotic youth, and all they say is that they need to educate the younger generation in the spirit of patriotism, etc., all this is fiction and money laundering
  15. faraon
    faraon 8 July 2013 09: 29 New
    13
    Hello Sergey, I sympathize with you as a father. But not everything is as complicated as it seems, Of course, as the great writer said, Russia cannot be understood by the mind ..... but you can still try. Send your daughter to go to Baumanka for military education, start collecting documents, which is required for admission to the above-mentioned structures, and after a year, try to enroll or transfer again. For a year, a lot of things can change. At present, there is a tendency to renew the army, Russia will need to update the officers. So people like your daughter will still need the Motherland. I think that your daughter will succeed, do not despair.
    Good luck.
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 8 July 2013 09: 41 New
      +4
      Quote: faraon
      A lot can change in a year


      It’s unlikely for the better, and the scheme in the military fashion is competent, while the girl will be studying, you can look for ways out and money essno
      1. nycsson
        nycsson 9 July 2013 00: 00 New
        +1
        Quote: Vadivak
        For the better, it’s unlikely

        Soon everything will work out. But at what cost ?! There will be a good history lesson for our people ........
        1. ded10041948
          ded10041948 9 July 2013 06: 04 New
          +1
          And we cannot do without shocks! The lesson can and will be, the people would remain.
  16. Matroskin
    Matroskin 8 July 2013 09: 39 New
    +8
    A year ago, I could not imagine that I would approve of Stalin's actions, but it seems that we just need a new 37 year, albeit without bloody consequences. The cardinal cleansing upstairs is ripe and overripe. The world is turbulent, and with such an approach to staffing decisions we have nothing good to wait for.
    I agree, I agree to the marrow of bones !!
  17. sapsan14
    sapsan14 8 July 2013 09: 42 New
    15
    The senior entered the cadet corps, three years ago: there is cronyism everywhere, but it was lucky that the first exam was in Russian, and a well-deserved "5" for it. Now in a military school. % 20 want to be officers, the rest study just like that: parents already know where their children will be.
    The middle one went in the footsteps of his brother - they said openly: they raised one at the expense of the state, and we won’t give the second. Or 10 kilobax for sponsorship. When they said that we would not pay, the answer came: I did not pass a special check, the results are not required to be reported. Like this. Moreover, my school, my dear. soldier
    Only Muscovites are recruited to the women's battalion, which are also already distributed in the Arbat Military District.
    Until the children of top leaders serve in the army of their country, there will be no sense. They will not trust their "son" to a bad officer and will restore order.
    But for us, mere mortals, everything is simple: if tomorrow is war, we and our children must defend our Homeland.
    1. fartfraer
      fartfraer 8 July 2013 18: 27 New
      0
      I don’t know how it is now, but five years ago in the Tomsk Cadet Corps they took without crony, solely on the basis of examinations. There were guys from the villages among the cadets.
      1. ded10041948
        ded10041948 10 July 2013 03: 02 New
        +1
        And I entered the university 45 years ago without blat! What are 5 years old? Now for a week everything turns inside out!
  18. papss
    papss 8 July 2013 09: 44 New
    10
    Twenty years is not a short time and you will understand in twenty years
    What is darkness and what is light ...
    excuse me for prose, but I didn’t get these words out of my head ... For Sergei Smolnikov (Sergei32), the facts were revealed, alas, depressing. I immediately compiled a "self-portrait" of his family ... Apparently, living honestly, with an average income, but extremely well-mannered ... and faithful, which is important to their Motherland, there are many of them in Russia, the majority ...
    This is such a sad story for us. Someone will say why women in the army
    a question in the subject ... I would change a little ... Why such an army at all? But, I will be told, and I understand myself ... an army is needed ... who will protect us in today's fragile world? But also, as a thinking person, I understand ... because the situation described is taking place in universities that train middle and higher officers. And these are not people of peaceful professions (although, who said that they do not need to be trained with knowledge, without "dough"). A difficult question ... What will happen in 20 years more ...?
    Natural Epilogue
    Who will sit at the console in a few years? Again we will wait for the fall of rockets and satellites? A year ago, I could not imagine that I would approve of Stalin's actions, but it seems that we just need a new 37 year, albeit without bloody consequences.
    Without going into Stalin’s actions, there’s another reason for 37 years, I’ll say that you are right in meaning ...
    The cardinal cleansing upstairs is ripe and overripe. The world is turbulent, and with such an approach to staffing decisions we have nothing good to wait for.
    Now, everyone loves to talk about the war and its victims. All we hear is that our figures are compared with German losses ... But, not skillfully, they "threw their hats" and so on ... But Russia, which is building capitalism now, can only be compared economically with the USSR, and it is far from in her favor. And God forbid us that we compare in the future the military aspects of human losses, possible wars ... Someone's sons, who came "by pull", who graduated for money, who are attached to warm places will lead (or maybe betray), again I say, God forbid, soldiers into battle ... What will come of this is scary to think ...
    1. ded10041948
      ded10041948 10 July 2013 03: 06 New
      +1
      Quote: papss
      Someone's sons, who "by pull" entered, graduated for money, attached to warm places will lead (or maybe betray), again I say, God forbid, soldiers into battle ... What will come of this is scary to think ...

      May they not go into battle! How to fight against the "breadwinners"?
  19. Matroskin
    Matroskin 8 July 2013 09: 51 New
    +6
    Quote: papss
    Someone's sons, who "by pull" entered, graduated for money, attached to warm places will lead (or maybe betray), again I say, God forbid, soldiers into battle ... It’s scary to think of this.

    In the Chechen and betrayed and sold. That will be ..
  20. individual
    individual 8 July 2013 09: 52 New
    +6
    The bitter words of truth about an unsettled social state.
    The welfare state under the Constitution has successfully replaced patronage and money.
    A person can get used to everything and endure everything, but any person cannot accept injustice.
    When, never put an end to this.
  21. maestro123
    maestro123 8 July 2013 09: 56 New
    +7
    The most offensive is that many who do not go to military schools of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation could really be useful to the Fatherland, and blatters simply come at the call of prestige.
    There is nothing surprising in this career ladder; it is enough to recall the environment of Serdyukov and Co.
  22. Xnumx kopeek
    Xnumx kopeek 8 July 2013 10: 03 New
    +2
    Quote: ia-ai00
    My address (1)
    ... I just read that in China the former minister was sentenced to death for bribes of $ 10 million. A nightmare! Why not to house arrest and with the right to walk for 3 hours a day where he wants! ...

    What China, but not "TOLERANT"! Nightmare!

    -as Stalin said- "To wake up a woman, but it is fair .." - wassat
    -Then Serdyukov must be charged to Tsar Cannon and shot. This is where I didn’t decide. Yes, speaking of the Pushcha: similarly, 17th-century Russian bikers did the same to the next Polish applicant for the Tsar’s throne. They charged Ts. Cannon and shot them at the direction of Warsaw. / fact / But they overdid it and the Pole landed in Washington, in the corridor of Hrushevka Brzezinski. / Fantasy /. At that time, Pro. / fact / -At general - to collect all the official Russians. swindlers together, charge Pinocchio with them, say, and send them to papa carla
  23. Max otto
    Max otto 8 July 2013 10: 10 New
    +8
    Quote: 20 kopeek

    - The army should be made professional. - Do you have money for the Olympics? yes, but to the trade union - no.


    prof. the army is good for people like Latvia and Estonia, they won’t have to fight for a particularly long time, well, or like the USA, the Papuans are grunting. Any, more or less independent state needs a call, because if mobilization is needed, then every person liable for military service is trained, has a military specialty, and knows where and with what he needs to come if something happens. And without conscription and service, it will be cannon fodder, it will be necessary to spend much more resources on accelerated training, if the aggressors still give time for this, which is unlikely to happen.
  24. Xnumx kopeek
    Xnumx kopeek 8 July 2013 10: 33 New
    -3
    Quote: Max Otto
    Quote: 20 kopeek

    - The army should be made professional. - Do you have money for the Olympics? yes, but to the trade union - no.


    prof. the army is good for people like Latvia and Estonia, they won’t have to fight for a particularly long time, well, or like the USA, the Papuans are grunting. Any, more or less independent state needs a call, because if mobilization is needed, then every person liable for military service is trained, has a military specialty, and knows where and with what he needs to come if something happens. And without conscription and service, it will be cannon fodder, it will be necessary to spend much more resources on accelerated training, if the aggressors still give time for this, which is unlikely to happen.
    -
    -if for quantity, yes. / Calling / --- so that they drown the Dirks in the great war / Aug. 2008 /?? -Be there / mostly pros /, then 75 victims did not beat bi. / in the army /
    // today it is more necessary to beat an engineer than "a soldier in the traditional sense of this word / -for such cases there are paratroopers, etc.-
    well, my opinion is only
    1. Max otto
      Max otto 8 July 2013 10: 48 New
      +6
      Well, again, the war is 08.08.08. this is a showdown with the Papuans, here it would be quite necessary to use the pros. But for Russia, in view of the huge number of "friends" around it, who drool when looking at the map of the world, only a call. Look at Israel, they have calculated the entire financial side 6 moves ahead, so they even call women. A dire necessity. And there is no alternative to a simple infantryman and will not be soon.
    2. ded10041948
      ded10041948 10 July 2013 03: 13 New
      +1
      Thank God that only yours! Although there has already been a precedent: One "chief" threatened to take Grozny (excuse the tautology) by an airborne battalion. What "grew" out of this venture should be described?
  25. yurii p
    yurii p 8 July 2013 10: 48 New
    +5
    the realities of Russian life, there is no life for the poor and honest, only vegetation.
  26. Sochi
    Sochi 8 July 2013 11: 01 New
    +6
    Now, and now for the quality of the army for the future, with such a selection system, we get a corps of officers, and a lot of gifted soldiers ... And a herd of lions (gifted soldiers) led by rams (white-haired officers and dunno) ... a very sad picture emerges.
    1. ded10041948
      ded10041948 10 July 2013 03: 19 New
      +1
      Especially if you consider that "rams", instead of leading someone, happily bleat rush to pinch the "green"!
      Sorry for the hard to read.
  27. Aleks tv
    Aleks tv 8 July 2013 12: 12 New
    +6
    Hello, Sergey.
    Your daughter is smart, just daddy’s pride.
    An example of determination and courage for many guys.

    With such a character and attitude towards life, everything will work out for her, even if she does not give up, this is her first life experience. Without black "colors" it is impossible to understand and appreciate "white" colors. And Victory becomes much more valuable than the more difficult it is to obtain. And she has a "core" of character, it is felt. So tell her from all our soulful officer fraternity, I hope that I express the opinion of the majority.
    After all, there are other universities, you can go to a military institution the next year, but it is undesirable to lose a year empty, for example, to find a job now at a workplace that gives privileges for admission. Or finish the first course of the university in profile, which will also give her extra points of extracurricular entrance upon admission for the next year.

    In any case, we did that. In the Union, it was very difficult to enter a military school, although, to be honest, the conditions were more honest than now.

    I shake my hand firmly.
    Good luck to you and your daughter, and the university itself is unimportant.
    Let him try to compete for a modern analogue of such a medal, if he wants, then she will definitely succeed:
    wink
    1. sergey32
      8 July 2013 12: 34 New
      +2
      Thanks for the kind word! She is strong, you can’t break her!
      1. ded10041948
        ded10041948 10 July 2013 03: 31 New
        +1
        In 1967, for health reasons, they refused me to be sent to a military school.
        He graduated from the university with a military department and served in the army for 23 years (from the platoon commander to the chief of staff-deputy brigade commander). I suggest it as an alternative, although I understand that this is also not the easiest and most convenient way. If the girl is persistent, she will break through (no guarantee of bruises and bumps). But he will be an Officer (with his head and his gaze).
    2. Aleks tv
      Aleks tv 8 July 2013 14: 05 New
      +3
      For the sporting enthusiasm of your daughter, I just took a photo of mine, received more than 20 years ago.

      The main thing - TARGET. But the university itself or just university does not matter.

      Once again - Good luck with your goal.
  28. PPO-1980
    PPO-1980 8 July 2013 12: 33 New
    +7
    Only Comrade Stalin will help us! These cream of society hesitated. They’re not afraid of anything.
  29. Horla
    Horla 8 July 2013 13: 20 New
    +5
    Local officials think only about their pockets, they don’t care about the future of the army, and the country as a whole. They can’t create, they can only steal, sell what isn’t created by them. The bulk of our elite class has intelligence, I’m sure 35-40 points of the Unified State Examination. Therefore, they will never allow honest and smart people to be next to them, it’s easier to lead the sheep. For example, a run over to the Russian Academy of Sciences. The main goal of this is to separate real estate and hefty lands of the Russian Academy of Sciences and put their people to manage this property. How do we know this, army reform is before our eyes. There will be new Serdyukovs and Vasilyevs, but there will definitely not be Russian science. Like Putin V.V. in his report said that Chubais didn’t steal, but made mistakes, then Stalin IV probably also made mistakes, only with him the thieves did not build foreign housing and did not invest their savings in the economy of potential opponents, but honestly and disinterestedly worked for the good of our Motherland under the supervision of the competent authorities.
  30. Dymkovsky
    Dymkovsky 8 July 2013 13: 39 New
    +3
    Posted by Sergey Smolnikov (Sergey32), You are great!
  31. tifon
    tifon 8 July 2013 13: 58 New
    +2
    It’s a shame for the Power, I have a daughter of 8 years old, I also plan to send to a military university in the future and my son who is only 1,5 months old, will nothing really change.
  32. dropout
    dropout 8 July 2013 14: 08 New
    +4
    Unfortunately, what is described in this article is not a special case, it is an indicator of the decline in morality in the country. And as a special case of the loss of the concept of "OFFICER'S HONOR" in the army. My (to my great regret, my late father) graduated from the Kachin Flight School in 36 and fought the entire Great Patriotic War. He retired in 60 with the rank of colonel, being a 1st class pilot. I will never forget how anxious he was about the concept of "officer's honor." I remember somewhere in the late 50s, we were walking down the street with him and saw two very not sober women. He looked and said: -There is no more disgusting spectacle than a drunken woman. Then after a pause he added: -In fact, there is a drunken officer. And as for universities, I can add, at 61, my friend and I from one of the Volga cities went to enroll in Moscow State University and we had XNUMX% confidence, if we pass the exams well, we will enter. It never occurred to anyone that this would require money. By the way, when I studied, I worked as a floor polisher in the Palace of Culture of Railway Workers.
  33. Djozz
    Djozz 8 July 2013 14: 19 New
    +1
    Once at a time, do not have to! My son, after graduating from the Polytechnic, ended up serving in the Presidential Regiment of the FSO, served with dignity in the security company, earned the badges: Excellent worker of the FSO, the sign "Presidential Regiment", the "school of life" recalls the service with gratitude, even now he calls back the officers of his company, offered to stay, refused. Now, thanks to the service, he works in a good position.
  34. Djozz
    Djozz 8 July 2013 14: 27 New
    0
    For information, I’m not a general, not an official.
  35. tank64rus
    tank64rus 8 July 2013 14: 59 New
    +2
    Life will put everything in its place. Write MO let them answer and check. Most of all our bureaucrats are afraid of publicity, because the boss does not like this.
  36. faraon
    faraon 8 July 2013 15: 32 New
    +2
    Quote: Babon
    how his eldest daughter at the age of 27 headed the psychological service of the entire ministry

    Most importantly, he beat himself in the chest with almost a fist that he would not use his official position, and that in the Ministry of Emergencies his relatives would not be at all, since he was the head.

    And so the old joke comes for the son of a colonel who does not have to be a general ......
  37. deputy ___ watered
    deputy ___ watered 8 July 2013 16: 06 New
    +3
    Very unpleasant, especially since I encounter a similar farce from time to time. I entered a military school when corruption could only be guessed at! There were not many thieves in our school (Why should they go to Siberia), and they did not demonstrate who the thieves were. Although there is not one who did not get along with the team, they were transferred somewhere to the European part, I do not remember exactly. The truth is that before this, his boots were nailed to the floor with nails and in some other way it was said that the team was not happy with his Razdolby behavior (evading outfits, leaving to leave with tails using family ties).
  38. Djozz
    Djozz 8 July 2013 18: 24 New
    0
    Year of service, not enough. You need a minimum of one and a half. And the Navy, two. Scary sailor with a brush, a lieutenant with a soldering iron.
  39. optimist
    optimist 8 July 2013 19: 11 New
    +2
    The author’s naivety is striking. It seems like an adult man, the father of several children, is clearly not young. And she plays the surprised boy who finds out that in the brothel the aunts sleep with uncles for money ... laughing I am sincerely sorry for those people who think that present-day Russia, as a state, has at least some worthy future ... UB bastard thief state with thieves' concepts. Only war and the socialist revolution can turn the tide. (And that is unlikely)
    1. Black
      Black 8 July 2013 21: 58 New
      +2
      Quote: optimist
      (And that is unlikely)


      ... optimistic however !!!! winked
    2. nycsson
      nycsson 8 July 2013 23: 51 New
      +1
      Quote: optimist
      Ub.lyudochny thieves state with thieves concepts.

      Sorry you are right.
      Quote: optimist
      Only war and the socialist revolution can turn the tide.

      I am also sure that only external aggression will save us. Only then will our people wake up and draw the appropriate conclusions.
      A revolution is a suicide for our country. Nobody will give up power just like that.
    3. ded10041948
      ded10041948 10 July 2013 03: 41 New
      +1
      This is all clear for the "employees" in the Arbat Military District, but I, having quit "from the sands," spent two years trying to understand what was happening to the country and how to continue to live!
  40. Revolver
    Revolver 8 July 2013 20: 42 New
    +2
    I feel sorry for the girl. I would like to hope that she will still find her place in life, and not the worst.
    In America, she would have successfully prepared to become a millionaire, and gave an interview for the press, supported by lawyers on both sides. Here, discrimination on the basis of sex is a harsh thing, people are judged for this and, as a rule, they sue sums with a $ sign and many zeros. Accordingly, the admitters are dismissed with a bang and without a pension. True, this does not mean that there is no discrimination at all, but they have not been acting so impudently for a long time. And at first, when equality was introduced, many careers were broken by those who did not rebuild in time.
    Well, as for what they take under patronage, it's like that everywhere. No wonder there is such an expression in English: "Doesn't matter what you know, matters who you know" (no matter what you know, it is important who you know).
  41. Black
    Black 8 July 2013 21: 55 New
    +1
    Mine arrived 10 years ago .... all the same ...
    10 years will pass, and our creaky state is unlikely to change.
    Too many ghouls stuck to the state udder.
    Evolution is not Russian, revolution .... yes there is so much bloodthirst that we will dissipate it for decades, then ... and again to normal.
    1. nycsson
      nycsson 8 July 2013 23: 46 New
      +1
      Quote: Chen
      10 years will pass, and our creaky state is unlikely to change.

      I'm afraid that in this case, our state will no longer be! crying
  42. Albert1988
    Albert1988 8 July 2013 22: 43 New
    +4
    Hmm, I didn’t think that everything is so neglected in our military universities ... True, in civilian universities it’s not better - to take my native Moscow State University - it’s okay to do (without bribes and connections) only at Mechmat, Physical, Chemical and Biological (because they are not the most popular, oddly enough), slightly worse on Geographic and Geological. But Sociological, Economic, it is generally a swamp. Recently, a new faculty, the Graduate School of Business, was established to divert the “sons” and “daughters” from economists and sociologists (the faculty is purely commercial). So it's time to cleanse universities in full, there are still many normal, non-corrupt teachers. And good luck to the girl! With such abilities it will not be lost
  43. 1goose3
    1goose3 8 July 2013 22: 49 New
    0
    Quote: 20 kopeek
    I still don't understand what "nanotechnology" is -? -


    If you make tea in a certain way, this is tea brewing technology. But if Chubais does it, then this is nanotechnology. recourse
  44. georg737577
    georg737577 8 July 2013 23: 03 New
    +1
    Be patient ... The war will begin - they will take everyone.
    1. nycsson
      nycsson 8 July 2013 23: 44 New
      0
      Quote: georg737577
      Be patient ... The war will begin - they will take everyone.

      When it starts it will be an order of magnitude worse. And she is not far off. Yesterday I watched a program about Crimean Wahhabis. Hair on end.
  45. Zomanus
    Zomanus 8 July 2013 23: 42 New
    +2
    Honestly, nah. If the child is smart, let him get an education for life. He will grow up, get a romantic flair, and he will be glad that he didn’t. And in army universities, as well as medical ones, they take the children of the profession in the first place, so that caste would not be violated. So it’s useless to climb in from the outside. Well, or for the money. But you have to pay the entire training period, everyone. So again I say nah. We also need economist lawyers with good physical form. More precisely, they are only needed. It is necessary to sell the country ... But Mona enter the military commissar through other areas.
  46. Combitor
    Combitor 8 July 2013 23: 54 New
    +2
    An interesting situation turns out. The number of military universities has been drastically reduced; judging by the article, the remaining ones cannot be enrolled without a "shaggy hand". Civil universities have also been "optimized and mined". It turns out that the country does not need qualified, highly educated specialists. And in order to give the appearance that the problem is being solved, the next minister-reformer from defense starts another "reform" - he suggests creating special units in military units, something like "scientific companies". And for those who will "serve in them" "create appropriate conditions." Is he going to build scientific townships in military units? It is incomprehensible the desire of the new Russian ministers-reformers to first destroy the system that has been worked out for decades, and then begin to fence the palisade of their reformatory innovations on its ruins. Why take gifted guys into the army? Let them get the opportunity to study and get a specialty after school. Return military departments to universities. Maybe something in the old civilian higher education system was wrong in terms of military training. But it wasn't all bad. You have to think. And the next reforms, according to the experience of the last 15 years, have brought nothing but destruction. So it is with the current "innovation" of the "reformer" Shoigu. Although he also has an interest in this - a monetary one. Indeed, in order to organize and make the "scientific process" work in military units, huge budgetary investments are needed. Five years later, it will become clear that this idea was another soap bubble of the next minister-"reformer". But the money will be bye-bye. But the next soap opera "Shoigu and Co" is not far off.
  47. Pushkar
    Pushkar 8 July 2013 23: 58 New
    +2
    Has anyone ever worked under a woman? And even more so to serve? I wish no one to experience this pleasure. No wonder the word "bitch" is feminine. Women have nothing to do in the army as an officer. However, all these FSB and FSO are not at all an army. And let the men stand in line.
    1. Djozz
      Djozz 9 July 2013 09: 33 New
      -3
      The presidential regiment of the FSO, in its characteristics, is like a division in the military. Discipline, complete absence of bullying, excellent physical training and possession of weapons and equipment. My son, after graduating from the Polytechnic University, served there.
      1. Pushkar
        Pushkar 9 July 2013 22: 47 New
        +2
        This is according to the characteristics. But the guard is not a warrior yet, and from whom and whom did he protect? People from an external enemy? Or did he beautifully raise his leg at speeches in front of tourists and went home for dismissal?
  48. redwar6
    redwar6 9 July 2013 00: 09 New
    0
    Eh, after reading the article only "Fortified with optimism", as they told me that I would get 10/90 to enter the FSB border troops, it remains so. If the chance is not less :(
    But come on, the attempt is not torture. I hope they will take me to the armored vehicles.
    1. Djozz
      Djozz 9 July 2013 09: 39 New
      -1
      Do not be afraid, my son has served a year in the Presidential Regiment and is pleased.
  49. Sterkh
    Sterkh 9 July 2013 06: 42 New
    +4
    Quote: Povshnik
    Reducing officers from 350 to 000 hit hard on quality condition
    - That's it. Plus, Vinipuh and Co. decided that there were too many commanders of the junior tactical level and introduced a moratorium on admission to the Higher Military School. Thus, two successful moves were made:
    1. cleaning the officer corps
    2. cut off the roots, interrupted the continuity of the officer ranks. In fact, they eliminated the Soviet school in the armed forces.
    Now they are ready to talk again about the lack of personnel. They will open new WUs and begin to train not comrades, but gentlemen officers. The era of our glorious grandfathers has come to an end. Starving, shedding sweat and blood, thinking of themselves last. Who are we, in comparison with them ??? We can only hang out on the forums and sob about the past. Only a big disaster (look what is happening behind the hill, and on our outskirts - why isn’t the new 39th?) We’ll cleanse us, bring down all the crap and husks ... and give the second, last chance to FIX ALL. ask ourselves a question - are we ready?
  50. shamilich
    shamilich 14 July 2013 12: 54 New
    +1
    deeply respected Sergey 32. I really hope that you turn your attention to my post. just for the sake of this, I registered here)). Believe me, this rarely happens. Your work as a parent, father deserves high respect. I did not read the comments of other users, save time. because, perhaps, my message is no longer relevant. but, I consider it necessary to draw your attention to VMedA, you will try - you will be in time. there girls really stand on ceremony, in the best sense of this sense. army medicine - the MOST for a woman))) because a woman’s heart is more tender than a man’s ... IMHO
    1. sergey32
      15 July 2013 00: 36 New
      0
      Thanks for the advice! Two years later, my second daughter will go to the Military Medical Academy, she is already preparing. The elder applied to civilian technical universities.