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Revival of the family cult in Russia

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Following the results of 2012, many Russian regions reported a record birth rate for the last 20 years: Omsk, Voronezh, Moscow regions, Krasnodar Krai, Moscow, the republics of the North Caucasus, etc. However, despite the seemingly positive, the demographic situation in Russia leaves much to be desired the best. The only thing that is still holding the country away from the total demographic hole is the migration flows, on which it is hardly worth making a serious bet. A certain proportion of the negative in this situation adds a high mortality rate, as well as relatively low life expectancy in Russia.


Revival of the family cult in Russia


According to the latest data, the mortality rate in the Russian Federation for 2012 a year was 1,899 million. This is slightly lower than in previous years, but still clearly a lot for a state with a population below 145 million people. In terms of life expectancy, the Russian Federation is in the 12 of the ten countries of the world (on average 70,3 of the year). Below Russia, there is no European state on this indicator with the exception of Belarus, Moldova and Ukraine.

At the same time, the birth rate for the same year was fixed at the level of 1, 896 million. The natural decline reached a minimum over the last 15 years, which gives some hope for the best.

But hope for the best must be supported not only by numbers, which are alone today, but tomorrow may be different, but something more. And this more lies in the obvious need to popularize family foundations in our country. It is no secret to anyone that in recent years the very idea of ​​nepotism has begun to turn into dust. And this trend is observed not only in our country. Europe, North America has long been bearing the stamp of provoked ignoring family values. This bacillus was brought to us, and it quickly got used to our open spaces, spreading with surprising speed and ease. We simply, as a click, have ceased to understand that neither our own development, nor the development of the country in which we live can take place without strengthening nepotism, cultivating those values ​​that were the basis of the basis of Russian (in the broadest sense of the word) society .

The thesis that the family is the cell of any society is accepted today, if not in hostility, then it causes a strange smile to many. Like, if you want to achieve something in this life, the creation of a family will be just another obstacle. On the one hand, it seems that this thesis is difficult to ignore, because when creating a family and having children, family members can directly face financial problems. We still have not built a reliable system of protection of motherhood and childhood, and those benefits that receive young mothers look, to put it mildly, not impressive. But this question has another (rather, moral) side. After all, if everything in this life is measured only with money, forgetting about family values ​​and joys, then in this case neither state benefits nor benefits will help, even if the state unexpectedly takes them and brings them to the bar of developed world powers.

The consumer side of the issue still prevails. We have become accustomed to the fact that money in our world decides, if not everything, then practically everything, and this leads to a monetary cult. Even planning for the next child, most of us, no, no, yes, and think about, and what financial privileges in this case the family receives. You can of course reproach yourself for this, you can engage in an arbitrarily long self-flagellation, but this is unlikely to lead to a positive result.

In this case, much more effective is not self-blame at all, but propaganda of family values ​​this time, and government care for the people who live in this state is two.

In a modern developed country, one without the other, if possible, will definitely not lead to anything positive. Where the people themselves trample the sanctity of family ties, or where the interests of the state in this regard are higher than the interests of the people, a strange organism is born that causes people to abandon the moral social foundations and move on to the path of satisfying their own needs. Thus, the state turns into an aggregate, forgive, egoists, who, caring only about themselves, will hardly ever pay attention to others.

So who then should be engaged in the promotion of family values, propaganda, which will help to cope not so much with the demographic problem, as in the problem, if you can put it that way, family nihilism? State? Church? Social institutions? Media environment?

The answer here is: the state, the church, public institutions, and the media environment. All together, and systematically and unobtrusively. After all, when a cleric belonging to a particular denomination speaks about the goodness of living in a large and friendly family from the TV screen, and after his speech on the TV screen an advertisement for an abortion clinic or something from the “enchanting” selection of “House-2” or “Vacation in Mexico” appears, then the effect of the words about the revival of family values ​​tends to zero.

Another important question is the popularization of a large family. Unfortunately, in the distant stories there were times when the family, in which there were at least three or four children, was considered normal. Today in many families it comes to the fact that spouses simply do not dare to have even a second child, referring to financial problems. Certainly, it is foolish to ignore financial problems, otherwise a whole marginal sector will take shape in the country, where in the presence of a large number of children in the family the family itself is absent as such (talking about families immersed in alcoholism or drug addiction leading an asocial lifestyle). But it is impossible to put the financial side at the forefront. Otherwise, she may ask a person the question: is it necessary to start a family at all ... Today, by the way, such a question is by no means rare. The cult of unlimited freedom and, at the same time, an irresponsible person reached its peak, and therefore if the cult of the family is not opposed to this cult, the difficult demographic situation in Russia can put Russia itself on the verge of existence.
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  1. Denis
    Denis 8 July 2013 06: 49 New
    16
    something from the "enchanting" collection "House-2" or "Holidays in Mexico"
    That's who it is ... looking, we’ll leave the 14 of February and other geyropeyskie values, all of them alone can not be saved, finished
    Now it’s necessary that no one starts anymore. He won’t be smart, so there’s a way out
    1. Canep
      Canep 8 July 2013 07: 28 New
      24
      I’m already repeating myself, but my opinion is the following, those who have served in the army urgently need to be provided interest free mortgage for the purchase of housing. Provided that the person is married and can pay for a visible stock (no more than 10 years, for example). This will ensure the acquisition of aircraft, and solve the housing problem for people of reproductive age, which will definitely contribute to increasing the birth rate.
      In Kazakhstan, with the introduction of the Affordable Housing program, the birth rate has seriously increased.
      1. Denis
        Denis 8 July 2013 07: 45 New
        16
        Quote: Canep
        provide interest-free mortgage for the purchase of housing
        In the USSR, enterprises and state farms gave interest-free loans to young families and, moreover, some were written off with the birth of a child. There were such families that debt was reduced to zero
        And no programs were announced, they were given without noise
        1. Hon
          Hon 8 July 2013 09: 39 New
          10
          As far as I remember, our collective farm was given free housing. These were typical cottages with all amenities.
          1. b0bi
            b0bi 15 July 2013 11: 07 New
            +1
            The maintenance of children must be paid by those who refuse to have children at the legislative level.
            Something like this: a person over 25 years old, by default, pays a monthly tax of ~ 10 thousand rubles (whether he is married or not, it does not matter). Having given birth to 1 child, the tax is reduced to 5000 rubles (until the child reaches the age of majority the tax is not paid), the second tax is lifted, the third (3th ...) person is paid 4 monthly until the child reaches the age of majority. Plus, programs for families with children that solve housing problems.
            This entire program can easily be paid for at the expense of those who do not want to have children, because these people will pay tax for life, and the family will receive additional subsidies only until adulthood.
        2. Lankov Victor
          Lankov Victor 8 July 2013 18: 32 New
          +5
          Dear Denis, in the Samara region something similar. A young family is paid 18 sq. M of mortgage housing for each child. The family of my daughter, having given birth to two sons, completely paid for the "kopeck piece" for five years.
      2. kris
        kris 8 July 2013 09: 25 New
        +5
        The revival of the family cult in Russia.
        1. little man
          little man 8 July 2013 13: 48 New
          +6
          And he divorced in the year of the family, which he himself announced. smile
        2. Avenger711
          Avenger711 8 July 2013 18: 34 New
          +5
          That is, a person who has raised two children and has lived with his wife for 30 years does not have a decision how to live on?
          1. Donvel
            Donvel 8 July 2013 21: 45 New
            +4
            It doesn’t. He is a role model. He is not only people, he led storks behind him on a hang glider!
      3. Hon
        Hon 8 July 2013 09: 34 New
        +1
        Quote: Canep
        I’m already repeating myself, but my opinion is the following, those who have served urgently in the army need to provide interest-free mortgages for the purchase of housing. Provided that the person is married and can pay for a visible stock (no more than 10 years, for example). This will ensure the acquisition of aircraft, and will solve the housing problem for people of reproductive age, which will definitely help increase fertility.
        In Kazakhstan, with the introduction of the Affordable Housing program, the birth rate has seriously increased.

        This is certainly cool, but the money has already been spent on Sochi 2014. By the way, we have huge interest on mortgages, in the world on average 3-5%, we have 12-14%. Thank you refinancing rate.
        1. Canep
          Canep 8 July 2013 10: 30 New
          +2
          In Kazakhstan, in my opinion, they give under 9%.
      4. z-exit
        z-exit 8 July 2013 10: 24 New
        +3
        Quote: Canep
        those who serve urgently in the army need to provide interest-free mortgages


        Well, yes, it’s all the same that without exception to all. And if not for everyone, then how is this possible? After all, we have a total of about 240 thousand deviators. Or, then, also to indulge sick patients who have not served?
        But they are in reserve for the disease. If they don’t blow a mortgage, it will turn out that for healthy foreheads we have all the benefits in the state, and for people who are sick and have health problems, as always, nothing. This is not a solution.
        Think about it - it will become even more difficult to solve the housing problem for a young man who did not serve and was really sick (and there were many of them born in the 90s, this is not for the USSR) “cheap money” (interest-free mortgage) will immediately give an influx of one-year term workers and, as a result, in a couple of years will push prices up to the clouds, as it was in America in the 2000s, when cheap loans led to overheating of the real estate market.
        1. Canep
          Canep 8 July 2013 10: 35 New
          +3
          Now you will be minus for cynicism, but mostly healthy people, or smart ones, should breed. And smart people have to earn a lot, and they can solve the housing problem themselves. Well, what kind of offspring do you expect from sick people with low intelligence, if rich parents provide them, no one forbids them to give birth.
          1. smart ass
            smart ass 8 July 2013 12: 00 New
            +3
            But this is NATIONAL-SOCIALISM old man
            1. Canep
              Canep 8 July 2013 14: 53 New
              0
              And where is nationalism? In my opinion, creating more favorable conditions for procreation of a certain category of citizens, the rights of other citizens to procreation are not infringed.
              1. aksakal
                aksakal 8 July 2013 23: 10 New
                +1
                There is neither nationalism, nor socialism, but fascism based on health. Minesweeper, I apologize for this definition, but it is! Man differs from representatives of the animal world in that he does not expose himself and his offspring to the harsh laws of nature and natural selection, but fights against him on the basis of mercy and suffering. So be it, and your idea to hell
          2. alean245
            alean245 8 July 2013 15: 26 New
            +1
            Quote: Canep
            Now you will be minus for cynicism, but mostly healthy people, or smart ones, should breed

            Not all diseases are inherited
            Quote: Canep
            And smart people have to earn a lot, and they can solve the housing problem themselves.

            They earn. Mostly in countries where they do not save on bright heads ...
          3. kavkaz8888
            kavkaz8888 8 July 2013 17: 39 New
            +2
            Absolutely right. Healthy should be fruitful. Those who did not get high on a youngster, but were engaged in study and sports. He led, as they say now, a healthy lifestyle.
        2. kavkaz8888
          kavkaz8888 8 July 2013 17: 35 New
          +1
          Patients have their own programs. And you need to think about a HEALTHY NATION.
      5. Gari
        Gari 8 July 2013 13: 38 New
        +6
        Day of family, love and fidelity has been celebrated in Russia since 2008 and is designed to draw attention to the family as the guardian of spiritual and moral values. The holiday is timed to the day of memory of the saints Peter and Fevronia of Murom who lived in the 8th century. According to Old Russian texts, they died on the same day and hour on July XNUMX (according to the new style), having received monastic tonsure before this.

        All a happy holiday !!!!!
      6. Drosselmeyer
        Drosselmeyer 8 July 2013 13: 44 New
        +4
        Interest free mortgage? Or maybe the state would have unfastened free apartments for youth from its oil money? It used to work out somehow ...
      7. cumastra1
        cumastra1 9 July 2013 18: 39 New
        0
        Not just an interest-free mortgage
        but the state must pay a part of this mortgage. (Where does the young guy get money for a down payment?) And besides, help in getting a free education.
        I have said many times that children are born not from handouts, but from stability. If young people have where to live and where to work.
    2. Scoun
      Scoun 8 July 2013 10: 48 New
      10
      I’ll post a video on the topic ... that everything comes and goes ... but life values ​​remain ..

      Maybe not everything is lost ...
    3. Ross
      Ross 8 July 2013 11: 49 New
      +5
      The photo attracts .... The article is important, but changes in the situation need to change the worldview of the majority. Large families are both helping the country and helping parents in old age, and with proper upbringing, this is the real unit of society — mutual assistance and support, the ability to live not only for oneself but also for the family — a collective worldview.
    4. Apologet.Ru
      Apologet.Ru 8 July 2013 12: 54 New
      +6
      Gorgeous photo for the article! No wonder there is an opinion that the word family comes from "seven I" ...
    5. ImPerts
      ImPerts 8 July 2013 20: 04 New
      +2
      A bit of history from the memoirs:
      "I outlined the meaning and significance of the struggle for power that went on between Stalin and opposition movements, and told me which ideological ballast Stalin threw overboard when it became clear to him that on the basis of the communist doctrine of a healthy and capable state body that could resist all Bearing in mind Stalin’s efforts to replace revolutionary enthusiasm with new Soviet patriotism, I mentioned the revival of the exaltation of national heroes, old Russian traditions, and recent measures to promote family life, about the introduction of strict discipline in the army, at industrial enterprises and in schools, as well as about the struggle against experiments in the field of theater, music and fine arts. "
      Edition: Hilger G. I attended this / 1989 Diplomatic Yearbook. - M.: International Relations, 1990
      Original: Hilger G. Wir und der Kreml. Deutsch-sowjetische Beziehungen 1918 – 1941. Erinnerungen eines deutschen Diplomaten. - Frankfurt aM: A. Metzner, 1955.
      http://militera.lib.ru/memo/german/hilger_g01/index.html
    6. kosmos44
      kosmos44 9 July 2013 03: 34 New
      +1
      The only thing that still keeps the country from a total demographic pit is migration flows, which are hardly worth a serious bet.


      Yes! These "streams", except digging, bum, stealing and multiplying in garbage can, can not. So let's wait from these streams, abundantly "flavored" by the government, for a qualitative, educated and intellectual increase in the Russian population. This is until the flowers, then we will collect the berries.
  2. FC SKIF
    FC SKIF 8 July 2013 07: 01 New
    +9
    Strange, unreasonable amoeba and almost the same stupid cockroaches with hares know that they need to breed, breed and settle, and homo, damn it, reasonable, too smart for that, it has different priorities.
    1. Arberes
      Arberes 8 July 2013 07: 22 New
      +8
      Quote: FC Skiff
      Strange, unreasonable amoeba and almost the same stupid cockroaches with hares know that they need to breed, breed and settle, and homo, damn it, reasonable, too smart for that, it has different priorities.

      The main offspring of RUSSIA brought the village. There is even a saying such as "Seven on benches with spoons are sitting." And now in many villages, complete collapse and degeneration.
      So it turns out a vicious circle?
      1. serg.
        serg. 555 8 July 2013 08: 26 New
        10
        Woe to the one who builds the village to the village (city). The old village is the whole world. My grandfather had 9 children, my father has 4, I have three and three more grandchildren.
      2. Denis
        Denis 8 July 2013 08: 36 New
        +6
        Quote: Arberes
        And now in many villages complete collapse and degeneration
        Otherwise, why would you be invited to the WTO?
  3. GELEZNII_KAPUT
    GELEZNII_KAPUT 8 July 2013 07: 02 New
    14
    Something I did not see about the problem with housing, help people buy an apartment at least on a mortgage with sane rates! Where will the children grow up ?! This seems to me much more important than all payments combined! hi
    1. Dejavu
      Dejavu 8 July 2013 09: 48 New
      12
      God gave us a sea of ​​land, and our ancestors successfully conquered and defended it. Correctly above wrote about the village. In the City, a large family of, say 7-10 people, even in the largest apartment is not comfortable to have. Today there is a fashion dash the need to leave the city to the countryside. People want to live freely, but only in their own land and in their big house is this possible.

      Therefore, let the city remain for managers and administration, and let the honest people go to the village. The Japanese look at us with fierce envy and do not understand why they are forced to poke around in the land for hire, and we spit on free hectares from a high bell tower.

      It's time for us to change, gentlemen, comrades :)
      1. Denis
        Denis 8 July 2013 10: 06 New
        +1
        Quote: dejavu
        Therefore, let the city remain for managers and administration
        They did these bad things and are still trying hard at all that in the village, without stealing themselves, it was difficult to feed themselves with difficulty
        Yes, and steal is also not particularly where
      2. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 8 July 2013 13: 04 New
        +3
        Quite right, and the word "uncomfortable" I would replace with the word "impossible." Just what to do "in the village"? Plow the land? So we have plenty of food and so. If you look not at the screams of all-scouts, but with real statistics, we provide ourselves with enough food. Well, we’ll draw prices a little bit ...
        Further. And factories and factories? There is such a concept as “labor mobility”, and it has not fallen from the ceiling. That is, you need to periodically throw birthmarks and go far, far away, because welders are now needed at the other end of the State. As a matter of fact, the USSR’s family was destroyed (that is, it was completely limited) by its housing policy precisely for this purpose so that people would not cling to their native aspen. It’s necessary - he’s gone ... The leadership of the USSR did not have the brains that the people would begin to die out like that, grandfathers could not think more than one step forward. Not for that, they plagued Stalin's wise men to the root, in order to strain pumpkins themselves ...
        Large-scale production, if we do it wisely, must be built from scratch. Build together with several satellite cities in which a family has a house and a little land. And production itself should not be mono, but multidisciplinary. A kind of universal auto-motofotobrich tractor tractor plant. So that it would be possible to transfer resources to production within a single structure to change the economic situation, change development directions on the spot, build one, destroy the other ... Then people will have no reason to jump over the country and ... I dream about it.
        Such capitalism is beyond the power. And socialism, too, it should be such a technocratic socialism ... where there request
  4. borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 8 July 2013 07: 12 New
    +9
    from the Don.
    No confidence in tomorrow is the main reason for the small number of families!
    1. Dejavu
      Dejavu 8 July 2013 10: 04 New
      +9
      I absolutely disagree. The problem is far from being so pessimistic. Very many families have both facilities and housing. They do not give birth, because they need to give themselves to children. "And we still want to live for ourselves." That’s all the uncertainty about tomorrow. They want to sleep at night and not save on themselves for the benefit of children, even their own. And how they will give birth and he’s sorry to the parents * he starts sending because of their poor TNT education, so they don’t want to think about the second.
      1. smart ass
        smart ass 8 July 2013 12: 07 New
        +6
        I agree completely! no one wants to wash the diapers of a kada on a TV set to twist a beautiful life ... VIP discos, bars, cool heroes (of course unmarried), super cars ... they’ll hammer people with crap
        1. anomalocaris
          anomalocaris 8 July 2013 13: 45 New
          +3
          No guys, that’s really true. Just as you think, in what shit will your descendants have to live, all desire disappears.
          The issue, as a rule, is not the diapers, it is just that in our Palestinians the birth of the second child already firmly brings the family below the poverty line.
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 9 July 2013 02: 36 New
            0
            Quote: anomalocaris
            No guys, that’s really true. Just as you think, in what shit will your descendants have to live, all desire disappears.

            About shit more. I think you have exaggerated demands on life.
            1. anomalocaris
              anomalocaris 11 July 2013 15: 52 New
              0
              You know, Milsudar, by the age of forty, I clearly understood how much I stand. Your self-esteem may be too low, or maybe you really can’t do anything but shift pieces of paper from corner to corner.
              Last time, after another cup of tea, I announced my salary to the Germans, they asked me again: a week?
    2. Donvel
      Donvel 8 July 2013 21: 48 New
      +1
      True, there is no certainty. And the notorious Stability with a capital letter is. As they say, eat, do not slap yourself.
  5. Flash_96
    Flash_96 8 July 2013 07: 17 New
    14
    I agree, the housing issue is one of the most important, but they do not give birth and well-to-do people and orphanages do not empty, you need to instill family values, patriotism from the school bench, because everything has been invented for a long time, remember the Soviet time, purposefully and consistently, from media to school curriculum !!! A house-2 and other gay gums to close or introduce censorship is poison for the brain !!!
    1. baltika-18
      baltika-18 8 July 2013 09: 08 New
      +6
      Quote: Flash_96
      A house-2 and other gay gums to close or censor is poison for brains !!!

      All this rubbish goes on TNT and Friday channels. Who finances the channels? Gazprom.
      But Gazprom is a state-owned company, as we are told. It turns out that the state is financing such nonsense with us.
      1. Dejavu
        Dejavu 8 July 2013 10: 12 New
        +2
        Gazprom sponsor Sobchachki? - a very interesting parallel. good
        / sarcasm off
  6. nikolas 83
    nikolas 83 8 July 2013 07: 18 New
    +4
    Give people a good salary, affordable education, stop raising housing prices and groceries. Then the demographic problem will disappear itself. Unfortunately, the government does not think about the people and it seems not going to.
    1. NUT
      NUT 8 July 2013 10: 17 New
      +5
      Quote: nikolas 83
      Give people a good salary, affordable education
      Our smart - Muammar Gaddafi gave and sho?
    2. Lankov Victor
      Lankov Victor 8 July 2013 18: 38 New
      0
      Whoever is the president of the Russian Federation, in any case, he will not have enough boobs for a general cry: "Give !!!" In the USSR, too, had to work in order to live with dignity. And now in Russia, work in bulk, just under a lying stone, water does not flow. Learn to be a welder, drive north and earn money. Invaders are paid 50-60tyr, passports up to 120. Now Gazprom is planning a gas pipeline from Yakutia to Vladivostok. Forward!
      1. Donvel
        Donvel 8 July 2013 21: 49 New
        0
        Then the people have a sip to shout "take !!!"
  7. mogus
    mogus 8 July 2013 07: 19 New
    13
    there is no work in the regions - they go to big cities. In cities, half of the income goes to renting a house; buying one is on the verge of fantasy. What are two or more children to support?
    But we are proud of the Olympiad ... It’s better to restore production at the places that were closed in the 90s with this money. The problem with local earnings and housing in cities will be solved ...
    1. Denis
      Denis 8 July 2013 08: 39 New
      +5
      Quote: mogus
      in the regions there is no work - go to big cities
      Can you find many existing hostels from vocational schools?
      In all gastric
      1. mogus
        mogus 8 July 2013 08: 53 New
        +5
        "hostel" is also not life. Brother, firefighter (fighter), receives 13t.r. (they promised to raise in the fall), in the city you can get more, but to shoot - one-room from 15t.r. How much do you need to earn in order to live?
        Putin proposed distributing money across the country more evenly, i.e. withdraw from Moscow - they are resisting, such as there will be an increase in the separatism of the regions (such thoughts are from an unfair distribution of money only).
        1. Denis
          Denis 8 July 2013 10: 01 New
          +1
          Quote: mogus
          "dorm" - also not life
          As a first step to study. Not all parents will be able to pull a house
          1. Joker
            Joker 8 July 2013 10: 31 New
            +2
            "dorm" - also not life

            What kind of life, 5 years I lived in it with my family after the collapse of the USSR, everything collapsed in the village, I had to go to the city.
        2. ImPerts
          ImPerts 8 July 2013 20: 45 New
          0
          If this is not the Ministry of Emergencies, then 13 t. Maybe. There are organizations where required. In Russian Railways, for example, or the Federal Penitentiary Service. But it’s non-core for them, therefore, such a salary. Maybe he was in the Moscow Region, a contractor?
          1. mogus
            mogus 9 July 2013 03: 00 New
            +1
            But the railway needs blat booooooooooooloohoo ... "Rotter" nooo ... The army - not him. The whole country still doesn’t get it, you need to restore production!
            1. Setrac
              Setrac 9 July 2013 03: 29 New
              0
              Quote: mogus
              But the railway needs blat booooooooooooloooo ...

              They take ALL who are fit for health, but you have to work there! WORK! When I got a job working on the railroad as a simple wayman, I realized before that I DID NOT WORK.
    2. smart ass
      smart ass 8 July 2013 12: 10 New
      +4
      OLYMPIAD!))) Yes, I was always against her in RUSSIA ... well, what's the point of holding it if the average Russian can't afford to take his family to her ??? !!! For whom is all this window dressing ?? Too expensive dust is obtained to let it in your eyes!
      1. ImPerts
        ImPerts 8 July 2013 20: 30 New
        +1
        I can not, too. But I'm glad. Olympics - 80 is still remembered by everyone. And I do not know those who have a bad word. Then, too, everyone could not get. And it is impossible to do this. Millions who arrived in one place? This is not a single settlement can. Neither big nor small.
  8. navy1301
    navy1301 8 July 2013 07: 30 New
    +5
    “give me money, an apartment, work, confidence in tomorrow” ... like that ... I’ve heard and see all this for over eleven years. And what are they themselves? and families on 6-8 of the children of our parents, grandfathers, etc. with work with money and a settled housing problem? What do you need ...?
  9. nikolas 83
    nikolas 83 8 July 2013 07: 40 New
    +9
    Quote: navy1301
    “give me money, an apartment, work, confidence in tomorrow” ... like that ... I’ve heard and see all this for over eleven years. And what are they themselves? and families on 6-8 of the children of our parents, grandfathers, etc. with work with money and a settled housing problem? What do you need ...?

    Well, you compared the Soviet time and now. Previously, education was free, they gave young families housing, they built houses, they had work. And now? Try to get an education and find a job in your specialty. I’m silent about housing. Mortgage is not for ordinary people - life-long bondage .
    1. George
      George 8 July 2013 12: 36 New
      +2
      Quote: nikolas 83
      Quote: navy1301
      “give me money, an apartment, work, confidence in tomorrow” ... like that ... I’ve heard and see all this for over eleven years. And what are they themselves? and families on 6-8 of the children of our parents, grandfathers, etc. with work with money and a settled housing problem? What do you need ...?

      Well, you compared the Soviet time and now. Previously, education was free, they gave young families housing, they built houses, they had work. And now? Try to get an education and find a job in your specialty. I’m silent about housing. Mortgage is not for ordinary people - life-long bondage .

      It depends on what period to compare. For example, when we worked for workdays.
      Previously, people were kinder, in villages and villages the whole world solved problems.
      And besides, they condemned immoral people and their actions.
      It is not a matter of welfare, but of the heads of people who are clogged with false values.
    2. Lankov Victor
      Lankov Victor 8 July 2013 18: 43 New
      0
      Congratulations, you lie. My daughter in Syzran bought the second-hand "kopeck piece", my husband is an assistant to the driver. Young guys - work colleagues, also get into a mortgage. Yes, it’s not easy, but they work and earn money. No lifelong bondage. Less listen to liberalists before dinner, or you will get chronic pancreatitis.
  10. 12061973
    12061973 8 July 2013 07: 48 New
    +7
    the problem is gender law. If a woman is not hired, she will give birth and there will be less gossip in the team, of course, men will raise their salaries so that he can support his family.
  11. moshshockerz
    moshshockerz 8 July 2013 08: 07 New
    +3
    Nothing will change until the power in the country is popular, and not Russophobic treacherous. Here you will familiarize yourself with the forum users, a confidant of Puteng scribble racial azerbot bagirov
    1. Asgard
      Asgard 8 July 2013 09: 00 New
      13
      The cult of the family, we must revive ourselves.without state))
      Call mom, talk with father, if they went to their ancestors, visit the graves with the children (or at dinner tell us that you were “there” and looked after the graves) somewhere there (on under the crust of consciousness)) they will have their dad (mom) -good children from YOUR PARENTS ...
      I’m 45 now, and I call my mom mummy. I’m not shy about doing it under People. Mom is getting younger from these words.
      My children respect the elders, they may not behave like we do at their age, but THIS RESPECT DOES THEM _ PERSONALIZED .... explain this to the children (and not only to theirs))) since WE HAVE ALIEN CHILDREN ....

      As for Bagirov’s remarks, then Kokh “mumbled” something about Russian men, Chubais spoke out (honestly I don’t want to broadcast)) look on the Internet — there’s their “pearl” ....
      So, the wisest on this Earth- These are our children ... they say who calls names like that - that’s what they call .....
      Russian people- put up a proverb- Want to know about the "human-like" (sorry no other words))) -Listen to what He says about People .....in fact, He speaks ABOUT HIMSELF ....

      Such is the story with the "faces" ... slaves in the galleys))))
      the president’s only merit is that terrorists are afraid to go to the toilet))))
  12. Nayhas
    Nayhas 8 July 2013 08: 27 New
    10
    Many immediately noticed that the author categorically circumvents the issue of housing and according to the comments, people want a cheaper mortgage in order to buy an apartment. This is a pretty tricky question. Suppose a young family receives a two-room apartment under the most favorable conditions (2,5 million rubles. Even at 5% this is a huge burden on the budget), but how many people will be able to live in such an apartment? Three, four with a stretch, if two children are of the same sex. That’s the limit, no one in a two-room apartment will have five children! If the state needs to solve the demographic problem, then each family should be provided with a plot of land for construction by providing communications, electricity, water, gas, a road, as well as the infrastructure of a school for children. gardens, clinics. What is your home, is at least two floors, your own garage or parking, a place for children to play, a small household, in the end it is the feeling of the owner.
    1. does it
      does it 8 July 2013 08: 49 New
      +2
      Quote: Nayhas
      Many immediately noticed that the author categorically circumvents the issue of housing and according to the comments, people want a cheaper mortgage in order to buy an apartment.

      and not only! but also land for building, at least a hectare.
      1. Ljubomir
        Ljubomir 8 July 2013 09: 10 New
        +5
        but also land for building, at least a hectare.

        Are you going to build the Pentagon? 40 acres for a family of 7 people in total. This is a shepherd for 4-7 sheep / goats, and a bathhouse, and a barn with a firewood, and 5 hotbeds 5 * 3 * 2, and a garage 5 * 7, and an apple-plum-pear tree cherries pieces 3-5, and hens (pieces 20) enclose, and there will be 8 hectares of potatoes.
        1. does it
          does it 8 July 2013 09: 59 New
          +2
          Quote: Lubomyr
          Are you going to build the Pentagon? 40 acres for a family of 7 people in total. This is a shepherd for 4-7 sheep / goats, and a bathhouse, and a barn with a firewood, and 5 hotbeds 5 * 3 * 2, and a garage 5 * 7, and an apple-plum-pear tree cherries pieces 3-5, and hens (pieces 20) enclose, and there will be 8 hectares of potatoes.

          hives, a pond and much more can be added to this.
        2. Denis
          Denis 8 July 2013 10: 10 New
          +2
          Quote: Lubomyr
          4-7 sheep / goats
          They also need to be fed with something, but the times where the collective farm didn’t mow
          Grazing land and hay are needed
          1. Ljubomir
            Ljubomir 8 July 2013 10: 37 New
            0
            times where no collective farm-mowing passed
            Grazing land and hay are needed

            Are you rustic? In the summer in a herd, and mow for the winter - look for fields and take as much as you like. There are enough carts for 5 goats for the winter. Firewood is 8 thousand for ZIL (if you yourself do not want to stroll into the forest).
            1. Denis
              Denis 8 July 2013 19: 23 New
              +1
              Quote: Lubomyr
              Are you rustic?
              Often I visit villages around Peter, as if by the fact that there are no villages from 5, but 12 floors come with mandatory shanghai sheds, gardens, cellars, greenhouses around. So no, no and no. This is respecting the rule of the site, as well as the same word from 3's letters
              As many fields as you want, but they don’t dare to mow someone, the security guard will catch
              About the forest and think of a dangerous turma, although they cut it out like locusts
              And all this against the crappy background of the lack of normal and a bunch of shameful (10-12tys machine) work
              Or drank 70-180km to Peter, there is enough work there, but will there be enough strength for the auxiliary?
  13. individual
    individual 8 July 2013 08: 42 New
    +4
    The cult of the family is: "Mom, Dad, I am a happy and friendly family ..."
    Raising children, each parent should make them the happiest.
    The most the best education is the attitude towards the elders.
    Children and grandchildren, seeing how you feel about your dad, mom, grandparents, will have a visible standard of family relationships.
  14. deman73
    deman73 8 July 2013 08: 44 New
    +2
    Only family and family values ​​will save us from extinction, and the state should help families
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  16. Vanek
    Vanek 8 July 2013 09: 08 New
    +5
    No matter what. But it doesn’t work out. The second one does not work either. Already for doctors and wherever they went. Not like that. Damn, and so the second hunt. And then another third ... And then you watch the news, then they will find in the gateway, then they will refuse, then something else. It’s so insulting, for drunks, drug addicts are born, but for decent people they don’t ...
    1. Ljubomir
      Ljubomir 8 July 2013 09: 18 New
      +2
      The second one does not work either. Already for doctors and wherever they went. Not like that. Damn, and so the second hunt. And then another third ... And then you watch the news, then they will find in the gateway, then they will refuse, then something else. It’s so insulting, for drunks, drug addicts are born, but for decent people they don’t ...

      they will refuse

      And you take, there you will see the third one ..
      1. Vanek
        Vanek 8 July 2013 09: 28 New
        +9
        Quote: Lubomyr
        And you take


        Do you know? ... In fact, there is a thought. We have a children’s house at MZHK (Novosibirsk). Well, again, such issues are simply not resolved. We think. I then - FOR. But the spouse is still in thought. I tell her, let's take it (if I persuade her, I would only like twins, little sisters, a girl), and there, whatever happens, you get your own, and thank God. It will not work ... Well, then he needs it so.
        1. Denis
          Denis 8 July 2013 10: 13 New
          +2
          Quote: Vanek
          I tell her let's take
          Everything is not simple, it is very difficult. As long as you collect permissions and certificates, you collect all kinds of legs, you’ll erase your feet
          Good luck with this hard, good job!
          1. Vanek
            Vanek 9 July 2013 05: 48 New
            +1
            Quote: Denis
            permission paper


            Yes, this is not the point. The main thing is children. Bureaucratic barriers can be overcome. For the sake of this, you can run.
        2. Dejavu
          Dejavu 8 July 2013 10: 23 New
          +5
          God help you. Great idea.
          1. Vanek
            Vanek 9 July 2013 05: 50 New
            0
            Quote: Denis
            Good luck with this hard, good job!


            Quote: dejavu
            God help.


            Thank you.
        3. Setrac
          Setrac 9 July 2013 02: 57 New
          +1
          Quote: Vanek
          But the spouse is still in thought.

          So maybe your spouse does not want, and therefore does not work out?
          1. Vanek
            Vanek 9 July 2013 05: 55 New
            0
            Quote: Setrac
            So maybe


            No. From the very beginning, we wanted a lot of children. Well, two at least. She wants it too. Strongly wants a second. I’m not very religious, but I think he knows better from there. To whom, when and how much. Friends nine years later gave birth. The second acquaintances, the eldest daughter, already 23. They gave her a sister.
    2. sergey32
      sergey32 8 July 2013 10: 00 New
      +3
      Stop smoking immediately!
      1. Vanek
        Vanek 9 July 2013 05: 59 New
        0
        Quote: sergey32
        Urgently


        Well ... Two years with alcohol is over. Quit smoking? Idea.
  17. Dejavu
    Dejavu 8 July 2013 09: 21 New
    +8
    As long as we live on consumption values, there is no place for a large family. While a child without mobile phones is scammed at school, we cannot build a normal society with the right values. The cult of the dough to eradicate needs those still efforts.
  18. pensioner
    pensioner 8 July 2013 09: 27 New
    +3
    "House-2" - all participants in correctional labor. Maybe then there will be sense. The leadership of the channel and the "authors" - 15 years at least. And you can think about the execution.
    1. Mhpv
      Mhpv 8 July 2013 10: 29 New
      +3
      No, let the houses in the villages be built, work out their living in a brothel. hi
  19. pensioner
    pensioner 8 July 2013 09: 29 New
    +3
    Quote: Vanek
    No matter what. But it doesn’t work out. The second one does not work either. Already for doctors and wherever they went. Not like that. Damn, and so the second hunt.

    They also survived in due time ... One was born 3 times ... A sick topic.
    And my mother had 11 children in the family. True, they survived after the war 5. And on the paternal side there were also an uncle (died last year) and an aunt. During the war she disappeared, in 1978 she was found in Baku. Married to Aga Baba, a doctor. But then they lost contact. And I am alone with my parents, but there, too, could not do without personal tragedy ...
    1. cosmos111
      cosmos111 8 July 2013 09: 39 New
      +3
      The President of Russia is a symbol of the country.
      He must remarry and have children.
      1. Dejavu
        Dejavu 8 July 2013 10: 25 New
        +2
        Quote: cosmos111
        and have children.


        Seven! : D
    2. Vanek
      Vanek 8 July 2013 09: 39 New
      +2
      Quote: retired
      Also in his


      The first would be seven years old, the second five years. And now there are four sonny.

      The topic is actually very painful.

      Good afternoon, Yuri. hi
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 8 July 2013 09: 58 New
        +2
        Good afternoon, Ivan! And they gave birth to it because in Ekaterinburg there was (maybe still is) the Institute of Maternity and Infancy. If he weren’t, then everything ...
        1. Flash_96
          Flash_96 8 July 2013 14: 26 New
          +3
          Even as it is, it is being transferred to a new room, in connection with the 2018 World Cup, like that !!!
  20. Asan Ata
    Asan Ata 8 July 2013 09: 51 New
    +9
    Very important article. But it does not touch on the most important aspect. The author here gives the balance sheet for 2012 - do not console yourself, it is the Russians who are dying, do not console yourself, this is the non-Russians who will give birth. Ask a question - why? The answer is not the family budget, not the pragmatism of people, but the wrong gender policy and traditions. Equal rights and equal opportunities? Can it really be that strategists cannot understand that this is one of the most basic mechanisms for the destruction of society? Refer to the Codex of Napoleon, adopted and recognized by all developed countries of the world, as the basis of democracy. It is there that it says that FAMILY MANAGEMENT IS AN ESSENTIAL RIGHT OF A MAN. Taking away and belittling these rights, you destroy the family, the foundation of society. Nobody wants to humiliate and exploit their beloved wife, but giving her the right to dispose of money, the most important decisions for the family, the principles of raising children, and generally managing the family is stupid and criminal in relation to the family and children. A woman, as if she did not want this, remains a woman with her emotionality and, therefore, important decisions are the inalienable right of a man. Think about why 90% of advertising is focused on women, why in Europe all the first floors are given for women's cosmetics and clothes? Because a woman is emotional and impulsive, she does not even notice how she spends her family's money on all these trinkets, and this is beneficial not to the family, but to the business. Maybe this is the basis of all this gender hype? Another point. Please note that the manufacturing sector has virtually disappeared. It was there that a man was established as a passionary, as a hegemon indispensable for society. In the absence of production, work equalized men and women. Moreover, a woman copes better with this paperwork. That is, the restoration of production will also affect the family. By the way, note that in Europe it is the same. And now a new trend is coming from there - gays, incest, pedophilia. Today, the main argument against what I said here is that the man is drinking. How, give an alcoholic money? Well, here, excuse me, we need a tough fight for a man. Stress, as a result of society, primarily destroys a man, scandalous wives - the same result of stress, but it is the lack of peace at home that makes a man an alcoholic. What to do? A simple example: my acquaintances have an alcoholic husband and a plowman. Scandals daily. We thought, decided - binge - rents a room, drinks a week, then comes home. The scandals have disappeared. Six months later, they noticed that they began to drink significantly less. I went to work. I began to think about children, about family. That is, a vicious circle was broken - a scandal-booze. And one more thing: the destruction of the family, the destruction of culture, religion leads to the creation of a society of nonsense, as they are culturally called, cosmopolitans. Where it is warm - there is the Motherland. This policy has been deliberately pursued for decades. The policy will be pursued by those who want to uncompromisingly control human society, who consider themselves to be God's chosen people. Their name is Satan.
    1. Symbiotos
      Symbiotos 8 July 2013 23: 38 New
      0
      But right!
    2. Edouard
      Edouard 9 July 2013 22: 18 New
      0
      if we agree that Satan exists, then we must recognize the existence of Christ. And the fact that our country has completely renounced its Lord by its deeds. If there is repentance, then there will be a blessing. Including in the matter of the family. build a house on Christ. Why remember Napoleon when the New Testament clearly states that each wife has a husband and Christ’s husband and Heavenly Father Christ. So the vertical line of truth in power has long existed on our sinful land. The question is whether it exists In our hearts.
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    4. Edouard
      Edouard 9 July 2013 22: 43 New
      0
      2008 is a photo of a Christian wedding (mine) .We are surrounded only by direct relatives, i.e. my wife’s parents with their children, there are 10 of them, and they, in turn, with their wives and husbands and children, total at that time about + - 60 people (not all in the photo), now we are 75 and plus two on the way. that I wish everyone to turn to Jesus with a sincere heart, He will help in all matters.

      Note: In 2004, I believed in Jesus Christ as my personal savior.
      In 2006, he received holy water baptism by faith.
      In 2008, God sent me a Christian wife who respects God's laws, with whom we joined our hearts and God fixed this marriage in Heaven.
      Now we have three children.
      We love God.

      By the way, my great-grandfather had 9 children, all were born before the revolution. He was a deeply religious person.
  21. Avenger711
    Avenger711 8 July 2013 09: 54 New
    +2
    It is necessary to raise labor productivity to such an extent that a woman can not work. Interestingly, in the USA the notorious American dream was a reality in the 50s, but now it’s not being pulled.

    then each family should be provided with a plot of land for construction


    Bullshit, all these dreams of a house and a garden near the ravings of those over 50, in reality, a normal apartment in a 10-story building and equipped yards (in this regard, I see huge progress in my city in the 2000s) will cost several times cheaper.
  22. JIaIIoTb
    JIaIIoTb 8 July 2013 09: 55 New
    +4
    There is nowhere for our women to give birth. In no small village, I am silent about the village, there are no maternity hospitals.
    Stupidly closed. Thanks to the Minister of Health (another “effective” manager). Capitalism at its best. Not profitable to see.
    Sincerely.
  23. Black
    Black 8 July 2013 09: 58 New
    +5
    Large families do not "give birth" benefits, benefits, holidays, etc. She is not an obstacle, problems and difficulties. She gives birth to an attitude to life.
    Large families died when mercantilism and conformism settled in the minds, when society changed so that it can be achieved only by having the starting capital of the parents behind them.
    I think this will not change. This is a disease of a "well-fed" society.
  24. stroporez
    stroporez 8 July 2013 10: 01 New
    +2
    hurt yourself, --------- "give birth to cubs. grow, feed. and then we will send juveniles to you and collect something sho grew up. That garbage, sho half of them in our orphanages will rest ------ - you give birth to the main thing ...... "----- here in my opinion, the whole" demographic policy "of the authorities ..........
  25. Asan Ata
    Asan Ata 8 July 2013 10: 05 New
    +2
    moshshockerz, I don’t know who Bagirov is. But I know for sure that if this would have appeared in our country in Kazakhstan, it would have finished on the gangway. I think these are the machinations of darkness.
  26. Opera
    Opera 8 July 2013 10: 10 New
    +5
    Of course, there are a lot of problems - housing, money, work, money, housing! The circle is closed! All for later, not now, here we’ll collect ..., and then it is necessary then ... So years go by, life! Is life really the way to what we will do tomorrow ?! Today?
    My maternal grandparents came to Moscow from Siberia in the 50s. We lived for a long time in a church in a hostel and raised two daughters!
    My paternal grandmother raised five sons, my daughter died of starvation during the war! Grandfather died almost immediately after the war from wounds. They lived in the Tambov region in the village of Vanovye. Somehow my father and I went, he showed me a house in which he and his brothers grew up. To my question, how did you all live here answered - they lived normally!
    In life there is the main thing! The main thing is a small life completely dependent on you, the life you gave!
    I have two children from my first marriage, I always tried to give them everything that I could, and sometimes something that I could not. They are already almost adults and are increasingly moving away from me. So educated, unfortunately we have the best father has practically no rights in comparison with any mother. What to do ...
    For the time being, the Lord and I are not giving the child and my wife, and probably will not. But look around, how many abandoned children! They all dream of their mothers and fathers. Different tales come up! Hurry to do good here and now! How can you not expecting anything in return and goodness is sure to come back to you. At least it will be more!
  27. Sol_jah
    Sol_jah 8 July 2013 10: 14 New
    +5
    I have two brothers, my parents have 12 brothers and sisters, I decided to marry myself (I filed an application on Saturday). I know this letter firsthand from this topic. It’s hard now for a young family. But it doesn’t stop me. I completely agree with the author, for a long time similar thoughts have visited my head (including “But it is impossible to put the financial side at the forefront.”) And I also agree with Comrade Saper.
  28. Mhpv
    Mhpv 8 July 2013 10: 24 New
    +3
    Quote: Nayhas
    o each family should be provided with a plot of land for construction

    There is a land allotment program for IJL, but there is no land, or rather, it is also not about our honor. For these purposes, local princes allocate such land that the nest bird does not populate not only building a house, but you know the normal plots somewhere in Cyprus offshore "rot".
    providing communications, electricity, water, gas, road, as well as the infrastructure of the school-children. gardens, clinics.

    It’s generally a gold mine for measures and governors and companies providing these services. One gas that should be brought to the house, just like for fraternal Ukraine, and this despite the fact that Gazprom uses the legacy of the USSR and therefore the national resources that our ancestors developed and all this paid for itself many times, the same with electricity and so on.
    When the 37y year comes back for bureaucrats, then something will move off the ground, when the whole family will suffer for their deeds and theft (as before, confiscation of property), maybe they will at least start to understand that there are others besides their children who also need grow up in a house or apartment with parents and not dangle on rented ones. All kindergartens were sold for offices. I went to the garden, take the money, I went to school, come on even more.
    And so we live "from the pot to the diesel"

    "The pockets are leaky, yes, there’s no one to sew them on,
    So I wander into the insole drunk, run from the mirror.
    Even the rupe is not held in either hands or in a saying,
    And somewhere life revolves, far, far.

    Over the mountain, over the sea - where are you, hectic?
    And in my quiet backwater devils die - they feel sick.
    Whether there is a gray hair in a beard, a demon in a rib - there is no difference.
    People have become proud on weekdays and on holidays.

    People have become literate, ten classes to everyone,
    And if less - shame, literate citizens!
    But I remember, in a communal apartment we, New Year - the whole society,
    Snack, vodka - is it a pity, by name, by patronymic.

    And now the doors are strong, all eyes with chains,
    What is there in your fortress - dash and dots.
    The matches came out earlier, I’m up and down the stairs -
    What barking in the nursery, I thought someone would be furious.

    I'm to the stall: mother, they say, give matches out of turn.
    And she answered: "Come on, send me, too, son!"
    And so it worked out: from the pot to the diesel,
    And all the fun on the radio and on TV.

    And you know how you want it to be human:
    By name, patronymic, well, in general, fatherly! " hi
  29. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 8 July 2013 10: 29 New
    +5
    Put a plus, but !!! The author defined the family as mom, dad and children. In general, the concept of family appeared not so long ago by historical standards. A better understanding and definition should be gender. It was the clan relationship that allowed us to survive in all difficult and not very times. However, as I already wrote, and more than once clan relations do not suit modern society. This is precisely how the authorities are not satisfied because the stronger the clan, the more difficult it is to make it obey stupidities, industrialists and bankers are also not profitable because a strong clan can do without them at all. A society brought up in egoism is also no longer interested in clan relations, because there it is necessary to hold on to each other, and as a result it is imperative to help each other. Nowadays, few people want to put all kinds of interests above their own. So we got a society of owners of egoists. And in my opinion this can not be fixed. Although of course, if you revive the clan ties, then this must begin on the ground, more specifically in the countryside. First we need a positive example, the second competent propaganda of such an example to the masses. Again, I doubt very much that this would happen in our country, and not only here.
    1. asadov
      asadov 8 July 2013 11: 09 New
      +1
      I completely agree. Only our state does not need it. So it’s more difficult to manage us
  30. morpogr
    morpogr 8 July 2013 11: 39 New
    +1
    From school it is necessary to instill in children that it is right that this is a big family, and family and children should be put in the first place, and money is only a tool for solving problems.
  31. papss
    papss 8 July 2013 11: 49 New
    +1
    Where the people themselves trample the sanctity of family ties, or where the interests of the state in this regard are higher than the interests of the people, a strange organism is born that forces people to abandon the moral social foundations and go on the path of how to best satisfy their exclusively own needs. The state, thereby, turns into a set, excuse me, of egoists who, taking care only of themselves
    Well, not really ... not even at all ..., first, let's start with the fact that the people themselves do not trample anything ... they help him, so to speak, keep him in the right channel and not only through the media ... but also the state’s internal policy, though not in the plan above interests of peoples, as it is written ... Here already, the conclusion is that it contradicts itself ... But what, from the observance of the interests of the state - the people themselves do not win... just the opposite - in our example, the interests of both the state and the people are one ... The question is different ... How does the state observe these interests? secondly, a "strange organism" is born when the state has a weak social policy, when there is no real support for the family, its status ... when there is no expressed national idea, hence the third, the birth of egoists, I can’t agree with that, and what, this form of struggle for existence, is called selfishness? Yes, (maybe) ... but not with us. In "satisfying countries" - I agree ... Let the state give it a real right to work, earn money and prosperity, create an effective and affordable education, health care, sports ... and out of the total number there will remain real egoists ... but I assure you that they will units in total ...
  32. silver_roman
    silver_roman 8 July 2013 13: 15 New
    +3
    there was an article that the government informs that another demographic hole is coming, i.e. its consequences. The generation of the 90s, which is now just at childbearing age, suffered very much in those days, and as a result, the birth rate will fall a couple - five years.
    And now they are introducing more stringent measures to combat emigration, the one in which there will also be a recession.

    Consumer side still prevails

    Putin spoke about this recently. Like in an interview with Russiatoday. The bottom line is that our main difference from the West is that the principle of collectivism, not personality, lies at the source of a nation. That enrichment does not occur at the expense of the gain of one (capitalism), but at the expense of the development of the mass (socialism).
    As soon as they picked up the “Western disease”, our population began to die out. and with it, throughout the CIS, not counting the Caucasus, but they have other equally important problems.
  33. lexe
    lexe 8 July 2013 13: 25 New
    +1
    Yes, a ban on jobs for women in working sectors. Family is the main work for women. Recall the USSR ... 1st female astronaut ... why add this ... to become an astronaut you just need to score for a big family. I’ll add that sellers are also women, to remind you who used to trade in the shops before? the children of merchants-entrepreneurs, as well as all their male relatives, which we see, however, among our neighbors-peoples. The USSR made a lot of efforts to erode the foundations of the family
    -prepared the ground. Well, the explosion occurred after the collapse. And all these brigades of female labor collectives? And who is the first class teacher at school? The total high level of education will inevitably entail the erosion of age-old realities. But is it really necessary to teach everyone the same? early to determine the genius of the child and then invest in it and the rest ... give a happy life and a big family!
    In short, for the monarchy laughing the basis of progress! (smart and selective).
    No! promoting universal education — read corruption laughing
  34. Drosselmeyer
    Drosselmeyer 8 July 2013 13: 53 New
    +3
    Somehow everyone forgets that a modern woman also wants to achieve something in this life. On this and give birth 1-2 and no more. Because having given birth more, it is for a woman to burrow hopelessly into the household and completely depend on her husband. Who needs an employee who is constantly on maternity and sick leave? Yes, and honestly, such a female worker for the enterprise is a burden. Yes, and not always men are at their best, because many know, the woman gave birth to children, where she will now get away from her husband, even if he is a loafer and drunk.
  35. nnz226
    nnz226 8 July 2013 14: 11 New
    +4
    The media environment is a bunch of nonsense !!! Sick of their shit. If something flashes in the programs that deserves attention, then it goes after 23-00, and the prime time is cluttered with garbage, which of the stars is sleeping with whom, and what time it lasts. It killed once that all the news in the central channels began with the news that "grandfather Hassan" had been shot dead. Freaks! One might think that there are no more events in the country except for a criminal showdown ... And for three days they talked about the death of a thief. In!!! These media people educate people in the "right" way. The news leads to a description of how a ballerina was surrounded in her house, about scandals in married couples, what is in sight, etc.
  36. Danilka
    Danilka 8 July 2013 14: 45 New
    +3
    Quote: nnz226
    The media environment is a bunch of nonsense !!! Sick of their shit. If something flashes in the programs that deserves attention, then it goes after 23-00, and the prime time is cluttered with garbage, which of the stars is sleeping with whom, and what time it lasts. It killed once that all the news in the central channels began with the news that "grandfather Hassan" had been shot dead. Freaks! One might think that there are no more events in the country except for a criminal showdown ... And for three days they talked about the death of a thief. In!!! These media people educate people in the "right" way. The news leads to a description of how a ballerina was surrounded in her house, about scandals in married couples, what is in sight, etc.

    and This zombie is watched by little girls and boys ... This is where all the "moral values" come from - they educate feminism and gays in them, and also consume one another crying
  37. Grishka100watt
    Grishka100watt 8 July 2013 14: 55 New
    +2
    Alex, thank you for the article! good yes
  38. Sergey13
    Sergey13 8 July 2013 16: 30 New
    +4
    Yes, the birth rate has especially grown in the republics of the North Caucasus, but Allah gives money for the development, as Hero of Russia said, field commander R. Kadyrov
  39. Master Taiga
    Master Taiga 8 July 2013 18: 57 New
    -5
    AjPhotography of children, to be honest, is terrible. The faces of children are sad, sad, and all are cropped. My rich experience says that as a rule families are dysfunctional. And the children are there unattended.
    1. Mikhail
      Mikhail 8 July 2013 20: 40 New
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      Actually, this is a photograph of a pre-revolutionary merchant (now I don’t remember my last name) with a family, very prosperous.
      By the way, the Bolshevik commissars during the civil war killed his whole family (together with children). No one survived ...
    2. ImPerts
      ImPerts 8 July 2013 20: 41 New
      +1
      Actually, this is an old photograph. Pre-revolutionary. And the porch is rich, carved. And dysfunctional families did not take family photos then.
      1. Hariva
        Hariva 8 July 2013 22: 34 New
        +1
        Pironeziruyut .....
        We knew one dysfunctional family. And photos - more than enough, and the landscape in the background is credible, and children - a breakthrough, and a terrible end ....
  40. Mikhail
    Mikhail 8 July 2013 20: 43 New
    0
    It is necessary to radically change attitudes: the priority of Russian people, instead of material things, should be family and large families.
    1. Hariva
      Hariva 8 July 2013 21: 38 New
      +4
      Yes, who would doubt it! It’s a pity that I don’t even think about having many children without even needing “trinkets”. We have two, that is, made up for ourselves. We don’t even think about “organizing” the third one and participating in “natural profit”. Everything is difficult now, especially in the periphery, oh, how difficult.
      Say - But what about 5-10 in the peasant family nursed before? Well, as my grandfather said: Until the age of 8, I was running without a tangle and nothing. Idylls))))). Just now, to release a couple of nudibranchs in the middle of the city is somehow dumb. Yes, and parental rights will certainly be deprived.
      1. lexe
        lexe 8 July 2013 23: 11 New
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        Well, maybe your grandfather was the eldest. They wore clothes in shifts laughing Chinese rags of cheap right now in bulk, so you are cunning. There will be enough clothes for 10 children sewn by Chinese comrades. Notice in the photo (rich family) middle-aged boys dressed the same and only the eldest is already a dude-hope to his father in business.
        I understood from your other remark — did you mean the Russian tsar with his family? I admit one of the best photos of our history, but tragic. And the end was the same as that of many Russian people then (unlike the general secretaries and current presidents)
        1. Hariva
          Hariva 8 July 2013 23: 42 New
          +3
          Lexey. What kind of clothing shift are you talking about? You probably laugh or stupidly do not know)))). In the 20s of the same century, ALL the children of the peasants ran "nudibranch". Regardless of age. A meager supply, albeit a dilapidated, but tolerable port, was reserved for mass festivities: be it a village wedding, departure (exit) to the paradise center, etc. ...
          As for the Chinese abundance, I don’t raise my child’s clothes in this “chemical plant” .... We dress and put on the products of local factories (pah pah are still functioning).
          Well, as you may have already guessed, the key word in your post is "scribble." You or your children don’t, or their health on your side .... Oh my sins are grave.
          1. lexe
            lexe 9 July 2013 00: 07 New
            -3
            Are you talking about what mass festivities? Have children or what? In winter, what does our ancestors tell you? Did you run too-tempered or something? You don’t seem to know me yourself. You don’t have to compare our ancestors with the Papuans. The climate is not the same. And if you need to wear clothes, maid of the cause, and if someone hints about the rights, I will first warn about the consequences.
            1. Hariva
              Hariva 9 July 2013 00: 24 New
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              Quote "What are you talking about what mass festivities?"
              Yes, at least about the same publication (district center). Dressed all the newest - smart. Is not it so?
              Quote "in children or what?"
              It is with them. For many, this was a "landmark" event.
              Quote "And in the winter, what does our ancestors tell you the story?"
              And then he says that “nudity” I put in quotes (if you did not notice. And now, and the post above). This is a metaphor so to speak. But essentially they were "nudibranch". And the same in winter. Even in spite of the fact that they carried the canteen of the cousin of the uncle of the second cousin.
              Quote "with the Papuans. The climate is not the same"
              I did not compare. You do not understand the irony. What is the climate here ???
              Quote "if you need to dress, dress and maid in order"
              Your right.
              Quote "and if someone gives a hint about rights, I will first warn about the consequences."
              And this is what you are for? From anger or what?
          2. lexe
            lexe 9 July 2013 00: 52 New
            -2
            Yes, and parental rights will certainly be deprived.

            How many precedents with a deplorable outcome are needed for people depriving their children of their parents? (While in Europe). What do you think? I don’t think much. And the whole process would have been curtailed but the Europeans caved in! Recall Kaloyev, but he justly avenged his children! For Kaloyev was shocked by them. We will wait until the Europeans wake up or fall asleep forever ... So in some matters (God forbid) we will have to think not only about our family. And we do not need the experience of Europe.
            My ancestors are also from the village. Everyone was dressed. And things were always carried, moreover, in the city in the USSR.)
            but not dressing a son / daughter because of drinking in a large village is insanity. Excuse me.
            1. Hariva
              Hariva 9 July 2013 01: 31 New
              +1
              "How many precedents with a deplorable outcome for people depriving parents of their children?"
              How do I know??? You gave only one example. It is clearly not enough yet. Don't you find?
              "My ancestors are also from the village. Everyone was dressed."
              You still do not understand me. Did I say somewhere that the village without exception walked barefoot in the snow? Please google, look for the meaning of the word "metaphor".
              "not to dress son / daughter because of drinking in a large village is insanity"
              Have I at least casually mentioned, as you say, booze? Why so loudly slam the visor. Let's talk in detail.
              ". Already sorry."
              Duc as it is not credited. I don’t argue that your ancestors, in your "large village", were full, dressed and generally happy with life in the 20s and 30s. I just mentioned about mine, whom this prosperity has bypassed.
              1. lexe
                lexe 9 July 2013 13: 41 New
                -4
                20-30 years? What are you giving me as an example the years of the genocide of the Russian countryside? -For you this is an example of Russian life? Maybe there were years earlier until 1917. and better?
                My great-grandmother was buried alive in the land in the Volga region precisely during these years. From starvation, pestilence and epidemics began, they buried everyone in a row and, including those exhausted.
                1. Hariva
                  Hariva 9 July 2013 22: 30 New
                  +2
                  Is this an example of Russian life for you?

                  This is truly one example of Russian life. Do you deny the fact of these sad events?
                  Maybe there were years earlier until 1917. and better?

                  Of course they were better, but they were worse .... And until the 17th the same. Is not it?
                  My great-grandmother was buried alive in the ground

                  I sincerely sympathize and worry.
                  Further conversation I find it pointless. I just don’t understand what you want to tell me. I hesitated to quote your claims "niochem" and prove the invalidity of these claims. Good luck to you!
                  1. lexe
                    lexe 10 July 2013 00: 16 New
                    -1
                    You probably? How will I deny what my relatives suffered from?Then there really was nothing to feed the children!
                    And here you’re trying to prove me some comparisons. Yes, we fed all of Europe until 1917! And after 10 years we were bent from hunger. And do not build parallels to today. What is happening now is a new page in history, unknown to humanity! There is a grub clothes and women do not want to give birth! Or they want but 1-2x.
                    But you don’t have to hang around, you’re not a pendulum laughing
  41. ImPerts
    ImPerts 8 July 2013 21: 24 New
    +2
    How it all happens and what it got to ...
    "Scoop" and the encyclopedia
    Dmitry Agranovsky: the abominations of our town
    http://svpressa.ru/blogs/article/70603/
    "By the way, although I’m an atheist, I support the law on responsibility for insulting the feelings of believers - I’d just like it to be supplemented with a provision on the inadmissibility of insulting symbols that are valued by tens of millions of citizens of our country, and feelings towards which we experiencing akin to religious.
    The Soviet Union is our homeland. And I will do my best so that no one dares call it a “scoop”.
    A separate question for controlling structures, which I will formally ask a bit later, is how and on what basis it is assumed that there is a product in free sale that offends a large number of residents of our city ?! "
    Quote: Michael
    It is necessary to radically change attitudes: the priority of Russian people, instead of material things, should be family and large families.

    Absolutely.
  42. Albert1988
    Albert1988 8 July 2013 23: 02 New
    0
    I want to “correct” the author a little - the family is not a cult, but the natural attitude of a person, if a person is against the family, then he is already by definition defective, forgive me if I hit anyone. In general, the recipe for a good family is simple: you need to limit your own needs - you can live without going to restaurants and going to resorts every year. Do not be afraid of responsibility, stop perceiving the child as a burden. I myself observe a lot of such young families - they live poorly, but happily.
  43. Darth Revan
    Darth Revan 8 July 2013 23: 40 New
    0
    This zombie is watched by little girls and boys ... This is where all the "moral values" come from - they educate feminism and gays in them and also consume one another crying[/ Quote]

    It is necessary to introduce the strictest censorship and for the propaganda of 3,14dorish “values” (pah, what kind of values ​​can perverts have ?!). Put them for at least 10 years! Or refer to uranium mines ... if there are any ...
  44. Symbiotos
    Symbiotos 8 July 2013 23: 50 New
    +1
    We have grown a whole generation of men, many of whom were brought up by mothers and grandmothers. Father did not take part in their upbringing. And they are familiar from childhood that a woman commands and decides everything, i.e. "Mom’s sons." Or where the father sets an example with his booze. Of these, infantile individuals often grow up who do not want to take responsibility not only for the family, but also for themselves.
    1. lexe
      lexe 9 July 2013 00: 31 New
      -2
      Or where the father sets an example with his booze.

      Well, who has been drinking for generations? It’s easiest to spit on your people. Who destroyed the institution of the family?
      Yes, something like a rehabilitation program is needed. This disease, as an addiction, has made many people into it precisely the state. There is also a demand for it because the phenomenon is so massive that it only confirms the existence of a new type of genocide.
  45. Nevyatoy
    Nevyatoy 9 July 2013 00: 56 New
    +1
    Quote: Symbiote
    We have grown a whole generation of men, many of whom were brought up by mothers and grandmothers. Father did not take part in their upbringing. And they are familiar from childhood that a woman commands and decides everything, i.e. "Mom’s sons."


    Millions of men died in the Second World War and many mothers raised children alone, but they (children) did not grow up fagots and infantile individuals. They rebuilt the country, started families. Many of the reasons that led upward are far-fetched and only confirm the presence of infection in our country, in our souls. Not a problem with housing. neither income is actually a problem to give birth to more than one child. Is this a problem invented by you or driven into your head by a zombie hunter. My mother had seven sisters and two brothers, they lived in the same house and then there were no social programs. There were no multi-room apartments in the USSR (in the vast majority)
    Recently, my wife and I decided to give birth to a second one, and we will definitely do it, although there is an opportunity to buy a new foreign car by the end of the year. Saved for a long time. Choose a child. Money decided not to be useful. I will ride on the old tag. The apartment is not big, only 40 square meters. m
    We simply became a consumer society for US. More and more, the desire for comfort and the unwillingness to part with it become an obstacle for the appearance of a child. I think if you really want to have more than one child, then you are ready in the kitchen to sleep and ride a bicycle to work.
  46. navy1301
    navy1301 9 July 2013 03: 35 New
    0
    Millions of men died in the Second World War and many mothers raised children alone, but they (children) did not grow up fagots and infantile individuals. They rebuilt the country, started families. Many of the reasons that led upward are far-fetched and only confirm the presence of infection in our country, in our souls. Not a problem with housing. neither income is actually a problem to give birth to more than one child. Is this a problem invented by you or driven into your head by a zombie hunter. My mother had seven sisters and two brothers, they lived in the same house and then there were no social programs. There were no multi-room apartments in the USSR (in the vast majority)
    Recently, my wife and I decided to give birth to a second one, and we will definitely do it, although there is an opportunity to buy a new foreign car by the end of the year. Saved for a long time. Choose a child. Money decided not to be useful. I will ride on the old tag. The apartment is not big, only 40 square meters. m
    We simply became a consumer society for US. More and more, the desire for comfort and the unwillingness to part with it become an obstacle for the appearance of a child. I think if you really want to have more than one child, then you are ready in the kitchen to sleep and ride a bicycle to work. [/ Quote]

    I agree completely, look at our "elite" there all financial and housing issues are resolved 100 years ahead - where are their children? how many are there in the family? Who are these children? what benefits will bring to our country
  47. Gavril
    Gavril 9 July 2013 09: 40 New
    0
    I live in Yakutsk. Some of my peers, I am 29 years old, stupidly burn their lives for no purpose, they have a holiday every week - FRIDAY, party-parties, ALL women. It seems that by the time he’s already in their thirties, their consciousness is not yet ripe, their thinker works on the principle that they will be forever young.
    Part has a family, but there the cat wept enough, everyone is waiting and demanding a freebie from the state. And this despite the fact that for the second child 400t.r. give (their answer is “yes you can’t even buy an apartment for such a penny”), for the third land plot (their answer is “yes, who needs a land plot on the outskirts of the city”).
    The part has already been divorced, and all the men / women / bitchies live with the slogan, how bad their children are.
    And I have a wife and two children, and I’m also going to get a third one in a couple of years while I can give birth to my wife. And like me, we have a minority, I fuck as a monument to family man for friends))))
  48. Savva30
    Savva30 9 July 2013 13: 47 New
    0
    Any social doctrine trying to destroy a family is unsuitable and, in addition, inapplicable. The family is the crystal of society.
    Hugo V.
  49. Rider
    Rider 9 July 2013 15: 10 New
    +2
    Well, well, I can also tell you about the birth rate.

    in the late perestroika period, he watched one television debate about bullying and mortality in the army.
    how fashionable it was then, it was served under the sauce of disarmament, reform and reduction of the army.
    Aunts from the freshly baked committee of (nulliparous) soldiers' mothers performed.
    that they are afraid to give their sons to such a terrible army.
    they invited as a heavy artillery, a mother who lost her only son in the army, (I don’t remember, roofing felts from hazing, roofing felts accident)
    in response to her tears about who will support her in old age. and give a glass of water.
    one of the soldiers said a phrase for which he was immediately booed and anathematized.
    and if you had one child, there would have been two. or three, and it would be someone to take care of you
    the phrase is generally cynical, and banal.

    and only after decades, I realized And BECAUSE HE WAS RIGHTS!
    just think. after all, on our roads EVERY YEAR more people die than soldiers in both Chechen campaigns.
    add to this crime, emergency, and just for health.

    so it turns out that having given ONE child, it’s not yet a fact that WHO will take care of you in old age.

    think about it, future dads and mothers.
  50. Nevyatoy
    Nevyatoy 9 July 2013 19: 01 New
    +1
    Everything is very simple to solve. Despite any pension reforms with insurance premiums, the formula remains valid according to which young people are fed pensioners (well, that is, those who are able-bodied and before retirement age). This is because they create a real product. Therefore, the size of the pension should not be calculated from insurance premiums and seniority, but from the number of children born, provided that they were raised and raised to 18 years. This will return us to the good old principle that the family is the main wealth. In the old days, without giving birth to children, you could stay hungry when old age comes.
    Moreover, it is necessary to create a family cult in the country to ridicule and not allow people on the screens to be inconsistent with this cult.
    And to eliminate HOUSE 2 !!!