Abortion as a nationwide threat

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• According to latest stats, Russia ranks first in the world in the number of abortions per capita.
• President of the Russian Society of Obstetricians and Gynecologists Vladimir Serov приводит data according to which every thousand Russians of child-bearing age have an average of 50 abortions per year.
• British researcher of this problem Wm. Robert Johnston, in his last sociological work, cites even more depressing numbers. According to his estimate, up to 70% of pregnancies in Russia end with an artificial interruption. Only 2% (!) Of our compatriots until 40 years have never done such an operation in their lives.

And here are some data provided by the CEO Analytical Center "Family Policy. RF" P. A. Parfentiev at the international scientific-practical conference "Reproductive family health (perinatal psychology and family medicine)", held in St. Petersburg, 15-17 in May 2013.

These figures are absolutely horrifying, they are beyond comprehension, and from the mere thought that every day, every hour in Orthodox Russia, hundreds of women take the lives of their unborn children, it becomes, to put it mildly, uncomfortable.

Where in the country so many abortions? Are citizens not aware of their danger, not only from the demographic point of view (for a very large number of our fellow citizens, this problem, unfortunately, does not exist at all), but also from the point of view of the obvious threat to women's health? Perhaps the problem is the weakness of general public health education, one of whose goals would be an accessible explanation of the absolute harm of abortion. It is also clear that abortion is, among other things, a multi-million dollar criminal business, and there is no doubt about the availability of an abortion lobby in the health care system, so the fight against this absolute evil is very difficult. Recall at least the terrible last year barrel story.

The problem of mass abortions in Russia is less than a hundred years old, but during this time they have caused such demographic losses, which can be compared with the military losses of the Russian people for the entire 20 century. This allows us to assert with confidence that abortion is one of the most effective tools for the systematic destruction of the Russian people, deftly introduced into the "medical" practice by its enemies in the early years of Bolshevik atheist-godless madness. Even before coming to power, V.I. Lenin in his article “The Working Class and Neo-Malthusianism” spoke in favor of “unconditional abolition of all laws pursuing abortion”, in which he saw the protection of the “elementary democratic rights of a citizen and citizen” [Reproduction of the USSR Population / А G. Volkov, V. A. Belova, G. A. Bondarskaya and others; Ed. A. G. Vishnevsky and A.G. Volkov. - M .: 1983. S. - 154.].

Democracy, human rights ... what familiar words! How often we have to hear them today from the mouths of representatives of the “progressive public” who sell the country for green paper pieces. Well, nothing surprising, because one of the targets of the Bolsheviks, as well as their spiritual and ideological successors of modern gay liberals, was just the family as one of the foundations of the Russian state.

The cosmetic trend towards the stabilization of the demographic situation that has emerged in recent years in the very near future will inevitably be replaced by a new, perhaps even deeper crisis. how writes "Rossiyskaya Gazeta", Russia has five years left to get out of the demographic hole. “The generation born at the beginning of 90's is now entering the reproductive age - the smallest in the post-war period. And literally in 10 years, the number of women in active reproductive age (20-29 years), which account for two thirds of births, will be almost halved. Russia expects a huge reduction in the working-age population - by 2020, by 7-8 million, by 2050, by more than 26 million. This will lead to the most acute problems in the economy, jeopardize the country's defense capability (by 2020, the number of men of military age will decrease by more than a third, and by 2050, by more than 40 percent), ”the WG writes.

Measures aimed at rectifying the situation include the creation of a Family and Children Support Fund that will pay family benefits, matkapital, fund childcare services for children up to 3 years and provide other support to families, including assistance in purchasing and renting housing. It is also possible that matkapital will begin to pay again at the birth of the third and subsequent children. The authorities do not speak only about one thing - about the legislative prohibition of abortions.

A light in the end of a tunnel…

MOSCOW, May 24 - RIA News. The birth rate in Russia in 2012 increased by 5,6%, including due to the prevention of abortion, said the head of the Ministry of Health, Veronika Skvortsova, on Friday.
"The 2012 year was characterized by an increase in the birth rate of the population by 5,6% - from 12,6 to 13,3 per thousand population," said the minister. According to her, this was due to social incentives for families of childbirth, as well as a special role was played by the whole range of measures for the protection of motherhood and childhood, including psychological support services for pregnant women in difficult situations.
"This has reduced the number of abortions on 53,9 by thousands, that is, by 5,5% in one year," she said. In addition, as a result of the use of high-tech methods of infertility treatment, more than 3 thousands of children were born, Skvortsova noted.
http://ria.ru/society/20130524/939265675.html

Note that the percentage increase in fertility (5,6%) almost exactly coincides with the percentage reduction in the number of abortions (5,5%). So, in 2012, almost 54 managed to save thousands of children's lives. Is there any doubt that among these thousands of saved 54 children there are Lomonosovs and Shalyapins, Gagarins and Tchaikovsky, Mendeleevs and Popovs - just people whose life is inviolable! And if the number of such rescued children exceeded one million per year ... It seems that it would be much easier to deal with the demographic threat looming over Russia.

Artist Boris Zabolotsky

Returning to the rationale for the appearance of this article on this site, it is worth saying that in fact abortion has long ceased to be a purely “female” topic. However, such they never were. The killing of one’s own offspring often happens with heartless consent, and sometimes at the insistence of men. The words “let's not now”, “get rid of”, “this is not my child”, “we have enough”, “we are not ready”, “we will not feed” today are pronounced by millions of healthy Russian men - representatives of the STRONG sex. Meanwhile, Russia, due to abortions and chilling souls, the frivolous attitude of the average Russian man to the family, the woman and her own role in the universe - the role of breadwinner and protector, annually loses the population of the whole region! .. Isn't it time to put an end to all this hellish lawlessness and stop killing your own children !?

Comments

[nikolas 83]

The article is somehow muddy. Tipo Russia will die out. You won’t wait. Europe and the USA will die out faster. There are no people who were given piderasts and will not multiply. It’s good that family values ​​are preserved in our country.

[Rus.tiger]

Quote: nikolas 83

.Tipo Russia will die out. Do not wait

All people watch TV.
All news channels carry official reassuring assurances: "The demographic crisis in Russia is behind us, indicators are improving, and numbers are increasing." Most viewers sincerely believe this.
But there is no real improvement in demography.
When those who "point blank do not want to see reality" - then words are useless.
Here you need to call statistics to help. She shows the reality.
Let’s take 20 regions in which 95% of the inhabitants in the 1989 census called themselves: “we are Russians”. Let's unite them with one concept “Russian core”.
Moreover, we will not include both capitals and metropolitan areas in the “Russian core”, because in them the share of Russian residents according to the results of recent censuses is rapidly declining.
Moscow: 1989 - 93,4%, 2010 - 88%.
Petersburg - a decrease from 94% to 82,2%.

Comparison of deaths and births
Difference, thousand people / Attitude

Pskov REDUCTION 5,63 1,8
Tula DECREASE 11,7 1,8
Tambov REDUCTION 6,99 1,7
Smolensk REDUCTION 6,03 1,6
Tverskaya LOW 8,85 1,6
Ryazan REDUCTION 6,37 1,5
Ivanovo REDUCE 6,1 1,5
Bryansk LEVEL 5,98 1,4
Vladimirskaya REDUCTION 7,29 1,4
Nizhny Novgorod REDUCTION 13,9 1,4 etc. . .

As you can see, the “dry numbers” of the primary statistics of these Russian regions for 2012 show a LOSS.
And the ratio of death to birth is actually TWO births THREE deaths.
That is precisely in the Russian people of the regions the situation is as follows - on THREE coffins TWO cradles.
But in 2012, official reports flashed in the media about Russia's natural GROWTH.
So there should be regions that compensated for this LOSS of the “Russian core”.
Where is the growth in Russia?

In Moscow in 2012 - an increase of 17,2 thousand people.
There is an increase in some Russian areas:
- Murmansk - an increase of 0,4 thousand people.
- Sverdlovskaya - an increase of 1,5 thousand people.
- Chelyabinsk - an increase of 0,5 thousand people.
- Novosibirsk - an increase of 0,8 thousand people.
- Khabarovsk Territory - an increase of 0,15 thousand people.
But in any of these Russian regions, the growth is ORDER less than DECREASED any of the areas of the "Russian core" table.
So growth must be sought in the autonomies.
In the Caucasus:
- Dagestan - growth 39,5 thousand;
- Chechnya - growth 27,0 thousand
- Ingushetia - growth 8,2 thousand
- Kabardino-Balkaria - growth 8,2 thousand

Further, I hope, it is clear ?????
Figures from the Goskomstat website - http://www.gks.ru/free_doc/2012/demo/edn12-12.htm

WHO TO BELIEVE !?

Generalization

The first one. Official TV reports do not reflect the reality of demographics.
The second one. There can be no prosperity in Russia when the Russian people in TWO cradles of THREE coffins.
The third. The difference between the Russian regions and autonomies is huge.
Fourth. From the averaged messages on demography, the benefit is as from the "average temperature in the hospital."

[kris]

Quote: Rus.Tiger

The first one. Official TV reports do not reflect the reality of demographics.
The second one. There can be no prosperity in Russia when the Russian people in TWO cradles of THREE coffins.
The third. The difference between the Russian regions and autonomies is huge.
Fourth. From the averaged messages on demography, the benefit is as from the "average temperature in the hospital."

targeted destruction by the elite of the RUSSIAN people.
youth actively solder and corrupt.
through propaganda they grow a stupid, not thinking, drinking consumer who, instead of conceiving children, stupidly mates!
And it is bearing fruit. The number of cattle is growing exponentially!

[Rus.tiger]

Misha. "purposeful destruction of the top of the RUSSIAN people." ... ...
I see no point in continuing the topic further, I am not looking at the earth from the moon through a telescope. The next transfusion "from empty to empty" will turn out.
Plot. Sweaty, dirty, ragged vest. Sailor climbing over the Kremlin wall and burning on the heated PPSh cartridge disk, which previously threw grenades at the courtyard. . .
Somewhere we already saw it. . .
I would not want a repetition, but where to go. It’s time and it’s time. . .

For example:
“Over the two and a half centuries of the Tatar-Mongol yoke, Russians have practically disappeared in Russia. The Mongols diluted Russian blood, thereby changing the original psychology of Russian people. The Mongols brought aggressiveness, cunning, insidiousness, greed, laziness and other unpleasant qualities into it. ”
/ Richard Nixon. President SUSH. Real war
"The Real War", 1978./
Nixon's opinion is specific: "honest negotiations cannot be conducted with the Russians, they will still deceive and deliver an insidious stab in the back."
The focus of the position of the “fifth column” is also quite obvious - to humiliate the Russians and reduce them to a primitive level.
Therefore, allegations of racial and biological clogging of the Russian people cannot be left without refutation.
But emotional disturbances will not help.

[smile]

Rus.tiger
When researching the genotype of the Russian people, it turned out not so long ago that the Mongols did not inherit it in comrades ... in general ... so that your statement about the dilution by the Mongols of Russian blood and the disappearance of Russians after the yoke is absolutely unreasonable and unreliable .... usually all sorts of Bandera and Western propagandists have been talking about this for the last couple of centuries trying to represent us as wild Asians ... grandfather Goebbels also thought so .... it is strange that you agree with them.

[Normal]

Quote: smile

... so that your statement about the dilution by the Mongols of Russian blood and the disappearance of Russians after the yoke is absolutely unreasonable and unreliable ..

Quote: Rus.Tiger

/ Richard Nixon. President SUSH. Real war
"The Real War", 1978./

Well, why are you so, Vladimir ....

[Rus.tiger]

Quote: smile

it’s strange that you agree with them.

Fear God, Vladimir. Please indicate at least a hint of my agreement with this lop-sided baboon Nixon.
The authorship of the quote is indicated, even your namesake "normal" reproached you slightly. But this, for example, is what it says.

Quote: Rus.Tiger

The focus of the position of the “fifth column” is also quite obvious - to humiliate the Russians and reduce them to a primitive level.
Therefore, allegations of racial and biological clogging of the Russian people cannot be left without refutation.

I will also add that since my birth I have been living in a region where some types (lately have become more numerous) have always liked to shout about their "involvement" in the great Army of Mongols (more precisely, the Manchus). And about their ancestors "300 years of rotting" Russians. I'm talking about Tyrtyr-stan.
Therefore, by a hundred or two words I have already learned to indicate to such "descendants of the victors" their place in history. When the people of the Volga BO (U) LGAR, who did not differ in their everyday life from other neighboring nations, were also occupied by the horde of Genghis Khan, and more specifically by the "Tartars" who came with the Manchzhurs from somewhere beyond Baikal. Later, almost by force of those who came to Islam for one simple reason, that Russian missionary Orthodox priests were massacred by the Chuchmeks before, and the Bulgarians who worship idols actively mixed with the steppe invaders "standing in winter quarters".
On our shelves of bookstores and in tyrnet there are many reasoned statements by historians and anthropologists on this subject.

Quote: smile

In the study of the genotype of the Russian people, not so long ago it turned out that the Mongols did not inherit it in comrades

Maybe you meant the work of Veniamin Bashlachev from his site "Alternative Russian Demography" -
http://www.demograf.narod.ru/index.htm

so I also read, and a lot of interest.
If not, then take a look - it will be interesting. I am sure.

[NUT]

Quote: Rus.Tiger

- Dagestan - an increase of 39,5 thousand; - Chechnya - an increase of 27,0 thousand - Ingushetia - an increase of 8,2 thousand - Kabardino-Balkaria - an increase of 8,2 thousand

"In every possible way support the goyim of Asian-Muslim origin, for whom luxury and bliss is the ideal. May their great fertility exceed and absorb the Slavic element in the course of time. Support Armenians and Georgians from the same considerations ..."
KATEHISIS JEWISH

[Rus.tiger]

Greetings, friend Oleg!
What a "fitting" and "nice-sounding Yom Purim" name for new-hozar

Quote: NUT

KATEHISIS JEWISH

I’m asking you not to remind me of this foshitsiruyu vyser.
. . . I’m regularly banned for this already by IP address
Again yesterday I cleaned the system from "gifts" from administrators.

"Hit one so the others are afraid"
/Site administrator/

[NUT]

Quote: Rus.Tiger

I’m asking you not to remind me of this foshitsiruyu vyser.

Yeah

[igordok]

Quote: Rus.Tiger

Comparison of deaths and births
Difference, thousand people / Attitude

Pskov REDUCTION 5,63 1,8

The decline in the population of the Pskov region has been since tsarist times. According to statistics.

[Alexey K.]

Is it 1926 are these tsarist times? These are Soviet times - you need to learn history better. Under Tsar Nicholas II, the population increased by 60 million people over 20 years of rule. Here are the statistics.

[Svobodny]

Quote: Alexey K.

Here is the statistics

VOTING FOR THE PROHIBITION OF ABORTION IN RUSSIA

[Ivan.]

Quote: Svobodny

Quote: Alexey K.

Here is the statistics

VOTING FOR THE PROHIBITION OF ABORTION IN RUSSIA [/ leech]

The link leads to "public services" - any cooperation, starting with authorization through snils (digital name of a person), is an approval and legalization of FZ210 and consent to transfer the state's obligations into the sphere of SERVICES, with subsequent transfer into effective hands.

[StolzSS]

You know here the solution is even simpler than it might seem. It makes no sense to think who to believe everyone lies. Here the eternal question is what to do. The answer is simple to implement a set of incentive measures.
All privileges to provide families of Slavic nationality. that is, couples whose father or mother is Russian or Belarusians since we have a single state. For other nationalities, to consider the provision of subsidies as unprincipled due to a fairly stable demographic situation ...
1. Mortgage for 10 years for a 3-room apartment if 1 child, for 20 years if 2, and for 30 years if 3 children with the possibility of re-registration in the process of increasing the family in the direction of decreasing from 7 to 5 percent per annum and increasing the area of ​​housing that fell under the mortgage .
2. Subsidies for the success of children. For example, a child bungled a boat out of wood, if they were kind enough to credit him a little denyuzhki to study at the university. He won the Russian language olympiad or won the same place there ...
3. Subsidies for family vacations in Mother Russia (for one tourist logistics we will improve in the country) let museums or national parks and reserves visit children all curious let them broaden their horizons ....
4. Cumulative subsidies for additional and higher education for children. So that every small achievement of the child in some useful business would be encouraged both by the ruble and by a mark in the personal file so that by the age of 17 a map of the inclinations of a young citizen or citizen would be ready so that this young citizen could feel that the state was behind him and that he could choose a profession that like and which will benefit people.
5. Cumulative subsidies for teachers and psychologists and educators ... So that every success of the children they care for increases their personal well-being. It is also worth considering a system of rewards for teachers working with orphans and so-called difficult teenagers towards their greater involvement in the adaptation of these children and teenagers who are now unowned in order to integrate these people into our future society as efficiently as possible for the benefit of society.
6. And of course, help in finding a job for parents if difficulties arise with this ....

That's something like this ... I understand that the sketch is damp but the direction is right, I'm sure!

[Rus.tiger]

Quote: StolzSS

That's something like this ... I understand that the sketch is damp but the direction is right, I'm sure!

Oh hoo. . ., Sasha! How powerfully pushed !!!

Yes your words yes Putin God (apparently, only on him all hopes) in the ears! It even became a bit jealous that "my thoughts" were written by "StolzSS", and not myself. But this is not very important - it would be said. . .

In general, StolzSS to reign !!!
Let's see further. On the rack, if anything, we always have time to drag. . .

[MG42]

Quote: Rus.Tiger

In general, StolzSS to reign !!!

Do you know how StolzSS translates? Stolz = <pride> or <selfishness> SS..If we add lightning more .. mom don't cry ..

[Rus.tiger]

Quote: MG42

Do you know how StolzSS is translated?

Of course, Sergei. After all, "Bundasovskaya Mova" is almost my second language. Sometimes I visit a non-farm in Rostock with my sister and speak / understand their language freely (at a household level).
And I also know what kind of thing "Maschinengewehr 42 (MG-42)" is.
By the way, the Bundases often use the word “selbstwertgefühl” or “Ehrgefühl” in the meaning of “vanity”.
But what does this change in Stolz's proposal? Apparently the fact that he is respectful of the GERMAN NATION, so am I. As to good laborers and warriors, who were mixed with shit by "unburned" in retaliation for the fact that they failed to do the same with German weapons with the Russians led by Stalin. Again, in retaliation for "hindering the creation of New-Hazarian on the territory of Russia."
And "SS" is just symbolism, like forum nicknames - they do not commit to anything.

But the proposals are indeed correct. Do not agree, Sergey?

[Apologet.Ru]

If people are the country's main wealth, then there is a way out against abortion, and it was not invented today, but this requires the will of the state. Namely, that the mother can anonymously leave the unwanted child in the shelter, as described in the novel by V. Pikul “Favorite” and the state will voluntarily assume responsibility for his worthy upbringing. But of course not as they say about some orphanages with their almost criminal orders ...

[Truth-lover]

Nicholas, how many children do you have in your family?

[FC SKIF]

We want more children with my wife, and God willing, they will be, but money, salary, work ... Somehow we get out.

[Yarbay]

Quote: FC Skif

We want more children with my wife, and God willing, they will be, but money, salary, work ... Somehow we get out.

God will help!!
Since the birth of man, God has already written to him what he will have!
And abortion is specially promoted!

[Mikhail]

God gave the child - give also on the child. Good luck to you and your wife. You are on the right path.

[Fox]

where I served, all the girls whose husbands are serving, went on maternity leave after raising the salary. Maybe you don’t have to invent anything, and JUST MAKE ADEQUATE SALES, then the birth rate will increase. By the way, mothers are all under 40, there are few young people.

[Flooding]

Quote: Fox

By the way, mothers are all under 40, few young.

By the way, this is very bad. This is exactly what many give birth at about forty, when they see that time is running out and will remain lonely old people. And in their youth they want to frolic, frolic. It’s good when they give birth to forty-third or fourth ...

[Truth-lover]

It’s good when there is someone to provide this 3 4th

[Dejavu]

After giving birth, I don’t remember buying at least something from clothes except for summer T-shirts, underpants and a panama hat. The rest were pulled in tons by grandmothers, aunts, uncles, neighbors and other relatives. Including cribs, strollers, toys, etc. Of course, having children without proper housing and normal work is hard, but those who have both of them are many times more than the first.

The birth of a child is the assumption of responsibility and the emergence of new responsibilities. However, all this covers the love of a small creature crawling over you in the early morning, trying to wake you up so that you play with it. A completely different meaning of life appears when there are children. I don’t know how to explain this to young mothers who are still children themselves.

A child in the womb tries to escape from the surgeon's forceps during an abortion. So what is this if not killing a person? It is impossible to ban them completely. However, severe restrictions can be introduced. For the adoption of children, parents must pay the amount that the state spends on the refusal in the orphanage. The amount is decent. Thus, children rescued from abortion and caught in an orphanage would not stay there for a long time.

At the initial stage, conduct full-scale educational work in schools with children aged 12 and over. And both with girls and boys. And not like now. "Children, fuck without a condom a-z-z-y". And it’s good if at least so, and then not at all. Children know much more about sex than their elderly teachers, who still blush from the very word.

It is a pity there is very little time left. I’m afraid our fat-assed officials will begin to move in about 10 years, and whether they will.

[Revolver]

Quote: dejavu

Children know about sex at times more than their elderly teachers, who are still blushing from the very word.

This is how the MP said with pride to the whole world during the teleconference: "There is no sex in our country!"

[My address]

Well, make unprofitable abortion and favorable birth. Profitable in all respects - moral, material, residential, profit to the enterprise / institution for giving birth to female employees, a guarantee of continuing career / study, ......
I repeat. I recently read in the Free Press a demonstrative article stating that there are more of us on 10 million. I easily believe that they did not write me down in the census due to the fact that my wife did not find my passport. Just girls wanted to quickly finish the census.

[Hon]

Quote: My address

a benefit to the company / institution for the employees who gave birth, a guarantee of continuing career / study, ......

Such guarantees are spelled out in the labor code, but this does not change the situation.

[Setrac]

Quote: My address

Well, make unprofitable abortion and profitable birth.

There are three ways:
The first is the complete abolition of pensions, so that in old age a pensioner is dependent on children, but this is an extreme measure.
The second is to stop paying pensions without addressing, pensions must be paid targeted from children to parents.
The third is to introduce a pension coefficient that takes into account the number of children.

[baltika-18]

Quote: Setrac

There are three ways:

For the first two paths in the red, for the third path, the plus. In general, negative, because what you offer as the third path can be used as one of the measures in the overall package of measures.
But I have to repeat myself, as long as we have this economic system in the country, there will be no holistic solution to this problem, because we need to invest in it.

[Hon]

Quote: Setrac

The first is the complete abolition of pensions, so that in old age a pensioner is dependent on children, but this is an extreme measure.

Then contributions to the FIU also need to be canceled, I agree, it is better to save up for retirement.

[QWERTY]

Ah handsome. And if the children died before their parents? Accidents, illnesses, catastrophes, etc.? An old man die of hunger? How barren? By the way, there is male infertility.

[Setrac]

Quote: ytsuken

Oh handsome.

An ambiguous phrase, I'm married and does not attract me to boys.

Quote: ytsuken

Accidents, illnesses, catastrophes, etc.

And who is to blame? If the drunk died of cirrhosis of the liver, what kind of pension is it for parents? What is the cause of disease? Did the prostitute get infected? It is clear that the law cannot be written in one line. And if a military man died in a hot spot, or a policeman at the post died, it is clear that such issues should be prescribed in the law.

Quote: ytsuken

Infertile how? By the way, there is male infertility.

Where did this infertility come from, as a rule, in most cases, infertility is the result of violent youth, who is to blame? If there are no children, then you need to think about old age in youth. Or there are special pensions for war and labor veterans and liquidators of man-made disasters.

[Symbiotos]

not a bad thought, but it's extreme! After all, there are "Alconauts" who have many children, but will they become full-fledged people? At the same time, there are lonely people who work and "feed" the current pensioners, respectively, and therefore have the right to the same attitude towards themselves. Another question is that while working and raising my children I carry a relatively large load and deny myself more benefits. At the same time, my children will feed this person in retirement, although he did nothing for them. The coefficient, I think, is definitely needed ...

[Setrac]

Quote: Symbiote

After all, there are "Alconauts" who have many children, but will they grow into full-fledged people?

Quote: Symbiote

At the same time, my children will feed this person in retirement, although he did nothing for them.

Retirement is divided into three parts.
One part is the minimum that everyone pays.
The second is the coefficient on the number of children.
Third - targeted deductions from children to parents.

[Zhuchok]

Many thanks to the author of the article!
The problem is really flashy. It was in Russia for the first time in history that abortion was allowed, this was done by Lenin. It really was an act of struggle against historical Russia and the Russian people. Society needs to recognize this as soon as possible and turn on the self-preservation instinct.
In the article, as I understand it, we are talking about surgical abortions that can be counted. But recently, the technology of medical and chemical abortions has been actively spreading. Plus, the vast majority of contraceptives are abortive in nature. As a result, we have about 5 million killed babies per year.
It is necessary as soon as possible at the state level to begin educating people on this topic.
It must be explained that human life begins from the moment of conception, it is from this moment that a new cell appears with a unique set of features. Consequently, abortion is a murder, but it’s not good to kill people.
But the most important aspect of this problem is in the spiritual dimension. Until 1917, there were practically no abortions in Russia, and families were large.
In Soviet times, there was actually a hidden propaganda of abortion.
The grave spiritual consequences of abortion are known when, in a family that committed this terrible act, children with physical and mental disabilities were subsequently born.
There were even cases when such problems arose in those families that did not have abortions, but supported and helped their families and friends in this.
It is urgent to deploy propaganda against abortion at the state level, and to ban this phenomenon as soon as possible. Introduce restrictions on the circulation of drugs that contribute to termination of pregnancy. Close abortion clinics and maternity hospitals.
But the most important thing: it is necessary in the state media to give the opportunity for a Christian sermon. It is in Christianity, in Orthodoxy, that the doctrine of the value of EVERY human life is contained. There are few children, little faith.

[Dimani]

Close abortion clinics and maternity hospitals

I believe that abortion for medical reasons (in case of a threat to the life of the mother), as well as due to rape, is still necessary.
There should be no other reasons.

[Alekseir162]

Quote: Zhuchok

There are few children, little faith.

Totally agree.
I also want to add that free abortions (and they are paid at the expense of taxpayers) I consider savagery. It turns out that the citizens themselves PAY FOR THE KILLING OF THEIR FUTURE CITIZENS.

[StolzSS]

I consider it necessary to clarify. It’s worth paying only according to medical indications to those whom doctors forbid to give birth, as well as all kinds of force majeure situations with rape ... in other cases, let them pay for these procedures themselves .... however, here they need to know precisely and clearly the opinion of obstetrician doctors ...

[Mikhail]

Right. Unwillingness to have children, “because the conditions do not allow,” is the result of a small time.
And it’s not by chance that the leader of the world proletariat announced religion as an opium for the people.

[Hon]

Quote: Michael

Right. Unwillingness to have children, “because the conditions do not allow,” is the result of a small time.
And it’s not by chance that the leader of the world proletariat announced religion as an opium for the people.

So the monks generally give a vow of celibacy, that is, for religious reasons they refuse to have a family.

[Setrac]

Quote: Hon

So the monks generally give a vow of celibacy, that is, for religious reasons they refuse to have a family.

Why are you doing this? The message is not clear! Please clarify.

[Mikhail]

Speech is not about a monk, but about mіryanaх. Lack of children and homelessness is the result of malovyrіya mіryan.

[Old warrant officer]

The wife was 38 when we found out that she was pregnant with 4 children. As expected, I went to get registered at the consultation. It would be better not to go! Somehow late poor children frightened the poor with all sorts of horrors, there will be all sorts of complications, you need to lie down for the whole pregnancy to save, etc. nonsense! They made me go through a bunch of paid tests and analyzes, and all this in the regional center for 450 km! We already have 3 children in our family (we are also raising 2 children of my deceased brother), we dreamed about one more! After such appointments with doctors, where she was simply insulted - she decided on an abortion! To drive such doctors with a ban for life to engage in medical activities!

[Setrac]

Quote: Old Warrant Officer

Somehow late poor children frightened the poor with all sorts of horrors, there will be all sorts of complications, you need to lie down for the whole pregnancy to save, etc. nonsense!

Do not be alarmed, they (doctors) need to put more to save, this is an indicator of their work, so they try, they catch up with fear so that they lie down.

[Mikhail]

You shouldn’t give a damn about the doctors.
Understand that before God you committed murder.
Maybe, still give birth to the fourth?

[kavkaz8888]

My wife also registered for about a month. And away we go. Tests, load for age (35 years), etc. It all ended up that I talked with doctors in raised tones and took my wife to give birth to Krasnodar. I gave birth to a healthy daughter, everything is normal. (I have this fourth child)
Z.Y. Communicating with female doctors, the thought of their PERSONAL interest in abortion is persistently circling in my head.

[Fibrizio]

Quote: My address

Well, make unprofitable abortion and favorable birth. Profitable in all respects - moral, material, residential, profit to the enterprise / institution for giving birth to female employees, a guarantee of continuing career / study, ......
I repeat. I recently read in the Free Press a demonstrative article stating that there are more of us on 10 million. I easily believe that they did not write me down in the census due to the fact that my wife did not find my passport. Just girls wanted to quickly finish the census.

I would love to hear how you will explain all this to a 16-year-old schoolgirl and her parents. How will she receive maternity capital for her second child, and about the benefits .....
No, I’m not saying that it’s good, but in my opinion women who use drugs should not give birth at all. After all, the risk is above 90% to give birth to a VERY sick child is an intended contraindication. We have full of orphanages. And by the way, statistics on how these very children are joining social services. Wednesday is extremely deplorable. And this is not even sick children. Why replenish children. at home, and then at a nursing home (who did not know sick children from children’s homes I send them to exist in hellish conditions)
I consider it forbidden to forbid at all. Second, of course, we need to improve the atmosphere in society. But this is more a moral question than a material one (I'm from Moscow, I'm talking about a big city. In other regions, I willingly believe that there may be nothing to feed, I admit).
The question is complex. Until it touches you, everything is clear and simple. But if you start looking at particulars, it becomes clear that sometimes this is the only way out.
In general, I would suggest enlightening work in high schools and universities as an option to reduce the number of revolutions. Indeed, very often an unwanted pregnancy is the result of stupidity and ignorance. We have a lot of errors walking around among the people. Use all the barrier means, I think the number of abortions has decreased by half.
And by the way, I will never believe that a sane person will be against abortion in case of rape.
Somewhere it may not be structurally, but I conveyed my thought, I admit criticism in my address. But I think that chopping off your shoulder is also stupid. Moderation is needed. At least in this matter.

[agbykov]

If you take abortion as killing a person, then all your arguments are unconvincing.

[QWERTY]

Given the above, you are the only adequate person. And these topics are about to ban, condemn, put in a row. To give birth or not is up to the pregnant lady, not the powers that be. To prohibit abortions - well, they will throw them into the orphanage or throw them in the trash. And right away all sorts of midwives will appear - illegal abortion specialists. I am happy for large children, but I don’t have to judge everyone by myself. , a lot and carefully.

[Setrac]

Quote: ytsuken

Prohibit abortion - well, they will throw it into the orphanage or throw it in the trash. And immediately there will be all sorts of midwives - illegal abortion specialists. I am happy for large children, but I do not need to judge everyone by myself. I have a lot, then everyone is obliged. ?

You just don’t realize how it all ends. There will be fewer and fewer Russians, we will lose territory, influence in the world, become poorer and in a hundred years, the last Russians defending Moscow in their last hopeless battle will curse you with such an oath that if there is no god, then he will appear only to fulfill this oath .

[shurup]

Introduce excise taxes on all types of abortions. Let the tax deal with the clandestine. All proceeds should be used for the additional payment of children's allowances.
If you do not want to feed and raise your children, help others.
I do not like? Suitcase, train station - to "free" countries.

[igor_ua.]

Yes, not abortion as such a threat, but the socio-economic situation in the country, contributing to and forcing them to do! But they are not able to correct it, therefore they go by a simple method - they forbid the investigation. Abortion is an inalienable right of a woman! In countries where these are prohibited, women still leave for other countries to do them.

[Zhuchok]

What do you think was the socio-economic situation in the zone of the Chechen conflict?
There were refugee camps in which Chechen women gave birth to children in tents.
And in Muslim countries, is the social and economic situation excellent everywhere?
And in Africa?
This problem has a material aspect, but it is not the main one.
Methods must be acted upon by all - and prohibit, and stimulate, and so on.
All women will not be able to leave abortions abroad, it is somehow beyond common sense.
It must be explained that children are happiness, and the realization of killing their own child will haunt a woman and a man for the rest of their lives.

[igor_ua.]

You are not guided by the situation and gave specific examples from the "ceiling" purely speculative. In Africa, Muslim. countries, abortion is either prohibited (except for Tunisia), or there is no one there to do it due to the extremely low availability of medical care. It's easier to give birth than to look for a doctor. And the main thing, of course, is mentality. For example, in Africa, a brood of beggars, half-starved hicks, is a normal situation and does not bother anyone. As for Chechnya, even though they are not officially prohibited there, in fact, traditions dictate their own laws.

Nobody has the right to ban!

[NUT]

Quote: igor_ua

because they go by a simple method

"... we will not have traces. To reduce childbearing by at least half means annihilating 2-3 million Russians per year without any physical expenditure. No need for stoves, cartridges, graves. And there are no traces. Was not born. And there are no guilty ones .." . "
Minakhen Mendel Schneerson; prominent Jewish figure; awarded the highest award of the United States - Congressional Gold Medal.

[igor_ua.]

Abortion is just one way to reduce childbirth. And he is a secondary method, a consequence, not the main one.

[Setrac]

Quote: igor_ua

and the socio-economic situation in the country, contributing and forcing them to do!

It is precisely in order to rectify this very situation that it is necessary to give birth to children, so that it is difficult for anyone to work. And then they do not give birth to children, and pensions will be demanded regularly.

[smart ass]

I have always been against abortion. Nothing is different from killing a person.

[NUT]

“If the Empire accepts my program, Russia will be able to exist and develop independently, regardless of the whole world, for four and a half centuries. At the same time, every twenty years the population will double, and to all Russia will be a native country. ”
Petr Arkadyevich Stolypin

Stolypin’s program turned Russia into a system of superiority and would allow the Russian Empire to develop rapidly. Therefore, two fraternal systems pitted: the peoples of Germany and Russia. Bleed, and the last Empire collapsed.
We can see from Stolypin’s plan that in 1910 we had 150 million people, and in China - 100 million. If the Stolypin program was implemented, then in 1930 we should have been 300 million, that would be. In China - 200 million
In 1950 - 600 million. In China - 400 million.
In 1970 - 1,2 billion. In China - 800 million.
In 1990 - 2,4 billion. In China - 1,6 billion.
What Stolypin suggested automatically spread to the neighboring state, and they implemented this program. They always came and adopted our experience. The Chinese fit into this schedule. We now have 100 million, which means that 2,5 billion Russian people are destroyed.
Mortality in a given period of time exceeds the birth rate according to some data by 1 million, according to others - by 2 million people. We should be within three billion people.
You can take a map of China, where 1 billion people live. They live on the outskirts, near the ocean, and the rest is mountains. 1 billion people live in a small area.
If these areas are superimposed on a map of Russia, it turns out that about 100 billion people can live in Russia. Russia will feed itself, and others, because Slavs always lived in harmony with other peoples. All this is in the order of things. If this is possible in China, why is it impossible with us?
During the reign of Lenin and his Jewish associates, in Russia, as of November 16, 1924, 30 million Slavs were destroyed. In the Second World War - 55 million people, mostly Russians. Having comprehended these figures, we can say that world history did not know such a genocide.
But there are consequences of genocide. The best people were destroyed, both physically and morally, especially in the genetic. Wars picked up young ones who could give healthy offspring. This is on the one hand.
On the other hand, in Russian cities and villages there is an increasing number of people of non-Russian nationality. Entire streets and villages of gypsies, Turks, Kurds, Vietnamese, Chinese, Koreans, etc. appear.
The criminal community in Russia clearly has a face of Caucasian-Jewish nationality. It is in Russia they are Armenians, Georgians, Azerbaijanis, etc., in America they immediately become Jews.
http://as-kjkjk.ucoz.ru/news/agressija_tjomnykh_sil_protiv_rodov_rasy_velikoj/20
11-05-25-224

[anip]

Firstly, do not compare the Chinese mentality with the Russian. The Russian mentality is nevertheless closer to Europe. How is it with demography? Fertility statistics under Stolypin cannot be projected into the future, because times are changing, and the situation is changing.

Secondly:

Quote: NUT

in Russia, as of November 16, 1924, 30 million Slavs were destroyed. In the Second World War - 55 million people, mostly Russians.

- Rezun and Solzhenitsyn have read?

Quote: NUT

During the reign of Lenin

If it weren’t for Lenin and the Bolsheviks, the majority of the common people with three classes of Centralized Labor School would have been sitting in ruins, hunching for pennies 10-12-14 hours for a gentleman or a bourgeois. Such a thought never arose: if the common people lived well, would the Bolsheviks win?
And yet, about the life of commoners, read the classics of Russian literature, for example, Tolstoy, Dostoevsky, Gogol, Chekhov, Pomyalovsky, Gorky and many others. And pay attention to the description of the life of ordinary people. They had a "good" life.

[NUT]

Mintness has nothing to do with it, because for the reproduction of everyone and everything, including humans, the necessary conditions

Quote: anip

If it weren’t for Lenin and the Bolsheviks, the majority of the common people would have sat with the three classes of Centralized Labor School in ruins

For your information, under Nicholas II "Bloody" as you will call him, 10000 schools were opened a year

Quote: anip

if the common people lived well, would the Bolsheviks win

And when Gaddafi people lived badly?

Quote: anip

And pay attention to the description of the life of ordinary people

Take a ride for ... twenty kilometers from the city to the nearest county town or provincial village, and look at the lives of ordinary people and how those classics would describe these things (if they could) ...

[Flooding]

Quote: NUT

And when Gaddafi people lived badly?

Unconvincing. A completely different era, the era of "humane" capitalism.
And it became just under the tremendous pressure of socialism.
Have you ever wondered if the USSR had not been - what would life be like in the USA?

[NUT]

Quote: Flood

Have you ever wondered if the USSR had not been - what would life be like in the USA?

There is no need for a rich imagination. It is enough that the reform, killed by Stolypin's walruses, has been accomplished;
Nicholas II, executed by those with whom we do not drink, implemented his undertakings;
The nationalities didn’t live in their native Pale of Settlement and did not crap all over the Russian Land;
Tsar Grad Constantinople and all the straits became ours;
The United States would not have received from the creators of the USSR many hundreds or even thousands of tons of tsarist gold and plowed up in its crises with defaults;
The dollar would remain a simple piece of paper, and the Ruble - the RUBLE and a penny it would still bargle;
All Russian would be worth its weight in gold, and as before sold for pure gold;
And if this gold was pure, it would go to the Russian treasury, for the benefit and prosperity of our Mother Russia, and not the vile and insatiable United States ...

[Flooding]

Quote: NUT

The United States would not have received from the creators of the USSR many hundreds or even thousands of tons of tsarist gold and plowed up in its crises with defaults;

Well ... from tsarist Russia, they also raped a lot of gold. True, they had to work hard to lather it in Alaska.

[Drosselmeyer]

SW NUT, give better statistics on child mortality under Stolypin and with the so-called the Jewish Bolsheviks. And where do you get these numbers: 30 million, 55 million? And why didn’t the Koreans please you? Quite working, adequate people who are completely Russified. In my opinion, they only have Korean features and surnames.

[Balalaikin]

Moms give all your children life! - Viktor Suvorov - when photographs speak better than words ...
http://www.k-istine.ru/aborts/abort_and_birth.htm

[Muxauk]

an abortion tax must be introduced under 30 and the situation will begin to change, and clandestine clinics are hard

[Hon]

Quote: nikolas 83

You won’t wait. Europe and the USA will die out faster. There were given no room for piderasts and no one will reproduce. It’s good that family values ​​are preserved in our country.

If it feels like I think that not everything is as scary as described in the article, a lot (almost all) of my peers have already given birth. However, already half of my peers managed to get a divorce, and I am only 27, what family values ​​are we talking about? As for Europe, for some reason their abortions are less common, and the demographic situation is better than ours. There are no more pediks there than by the way.

[Ivga_lis]

Because late marriages (after 25) are common in Europe, when both spouses are financially and psychologically successful people, often living together for some time.
In our country, most of the divorces occur in families who got married after school, and then decided that they "did not agree", "tired", "want a different life."
I personally observed this picture - most of my classmates got married and gave birth at 19-21. At the same time, university acquaintances did this already in 24-25. Actually, these are two main peaks when people get married, and in the first case there are a lot of chances that everything will end in divorce

[baltika-18]

I read the article and comments.
I can say the following, by banning abortion and campaigning you can’t help.
In order to resolve this issue, it is necessary to create economically attractive conditions for increasing the birth rate. What kind of conditions everyone knows perfectly well: work, housing, kindergarten, school education are truly free of charge, introduce a childless tax from 23 years old, and severe.
Now, when the state really deals with this problem, then there will be shifts.
But this will not happen under the current system. The current economic system is designed in such a way that investing in its citizens is not profitable, it is beneficial to bring several million migrants into the country and there are no problems.
Hello to the corporation "Putin and K".

[Furnace driver]

nevertheless, there is a place for upbringing, Muscovites will have abortions in their youth, then they go crazy, as if to get a child - at best, at worst, they generally have a drum.

[baltika-18]

Quote: Furnace Driver

nevertheless, there is a place for upbringing

Of course, the problem of demography must be addressed in a comprehensive manner, the prohibition of abortion and the payment of maternity capital alone cannot solve the problem.

[vladsolo56]

Minus article why? everything is simple, any problem cannot be solved by prohibitions. If there is a problem, then it is caused by some reasons, and in this case, the reason is not in legalization and accessibility, but in the very structure of society. here there is a little higher article about family values, here where everything comes from, there is no family as such. Well, there will be no abortion, there will simply be more contraceptives, so what?

[Flooding]

Quote: vladsolo56

Minus article why? everything is simple, it is impossible to solve any problem by prohibitions.

Minus to you, dear. Why? Because the article says nothing about prohibitions.
The problem is highlighted and some solutions are outlined.

Among the measures aimed at correcting the situation is the creation of a Family and Children Support Fund, which will pay family benefits, matkapital, finance child care services for children under 3 years old and provide families with other support, including assistance in purchasing and renting housing.

[vladsolo56]

This is precisely the problem that has been highlighted; one would think that man discovered America, then what? and I did not find any solutions in the article, at least serious ones.

[Prapor Afonya]

This is not a purely female issue, but a purely national one, but children shouldn’t vortex like weeds, so it should be a national policy, a carrot and stick policy, both people should be encouraged and punished so that children in moral freak families would not be born (alcohol, drugs).

[Fibrizio]

Well, to fight abortion by prohibiting or increasing the cost, this is the same as treating an alcoholic for alcoholism by banning the sale of alcohol after 11.

[Fibrizio]

Quote: Prapor Afonya

This is not a purely female issue, but a purely national one, but children shouldn’t vortex like weeds, so it should be a national policy, a carrot and stick policy, both people should be encouraged and punished so that children in moral freak families would not be born (alcohol, drugs).

Have you heard about Eugenics? In one country, alcoholics were forcibly castrated at one time. We thought in short about the future of the nation;) Guess where?

[Tatanka Yotanka]

Yes, abortion is not good, but what about the official sterilization program with us?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UX11BLSADCo

[papss]

Quote: vladsolo56

Minus article why? everything is simple, any problem cannot be solved by prohibitions. If there is a problem, then it is caused by some reasons, and in this case, the reason is not in legalization and accessibility, but in the very structure of society. here there is a little higher article about family values, here where everything comes from, there is no family as such. Well, there will be no abortion, there will simply be more contraceptives, so what?

I absolutely support ... "+", as well as agree that the state, if the situation deteriorates in demographic terms, may go to ban abortions. It is not ready for this now, BUT PREPARING ... there is no social policy in the country, but supervision over the family is increasing every year ... Reminds Chubais's sayings - "Why are you worried about these people? Well, thirty million will die out. They are not do not think about it - new ones will grow up "... In our case, the state sees itself as a" controller "of a new family, and whoever else ... did not fit into its new look ... Only at the same time new ones do not grow and do not grow ...

[Danilka]

Quote: Prapor Afonya

This is not a purely female issue, but a purely national one, but children shouldn’t vortex like weeds, so it should be a national policy, a carrot and stick policy, both people should be encouraged and punished so that children in moral freak families would not be born (alcohol, drugs).

That's about what to do with poor orphans and REFUSERS.

[radio operator]

Don't write about it, you need to shout about it!
And we are stealthily, from around the corner, whispering, trying to pay attention to this catastrophe !!!
http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2013/281/mtcw610.jpg

[Hon]

In the photo, the fetus is week 22, at such times, an abortion is done for medical reasons, you can’t give birth code, or it is a miscarriage. If a woman does not want to give birth, then what's the point of her going pregnant until the deadlines? Usually abortion is 4-6 weeks.

[Slav]

The point is not what week the abortion was made, but the fact of abortion itself, which is unacceptable.

[theadenter]

Are abortions allowed at such a late date, as in the picture?

[Hon]

If there is a danger to the life of the mother, for example, they can do it later, it is called artificial birth, after 28 weeks there is a chance that the child will survive, very rarely, but it happens

[theadenter]

This is an unplanned abortion already. There is no longer much choice.

[theadenter]

Teenagers who grew up on youth comedies, on the promotion of consumption, at the early start of having sex - they have developed a reaction to the above - that is right and cool.
Pregnancy for such people sounds like a sentence. They immediately recall scary stories about how the body and appearance are disfigured, what complications it brings, what a hassle to keep track of children, and in the end - goodbye to discos, festivals, bars and cafes - stay at home, but wipe the snot forever yelling to the child.
From all this, such a generation is naturally horrified and runs to have an abortion.
To solve such problems, it is necessary to revise the information provided to the population, and correctly, not intrusively promote family values.

[Ivga_lis]

The issue of abortion is a complex and controversial one. And, as the author of the article correctly noted, the responsibility here should be not only on the woman, but also on the man.
Of course, it is good to shout from the outside that "this is murder!" "forbid!" etc. Just think about the consequences - if abortion is banned (even if it is left only for "medical reasons" and "rape victims"), they will still be done, but already illegally, and this is a much greater risk to a woman's health. Another thing is that it is necessary to explain the possible consequences of an abortion to a woman as best as possible, to give her time to think. After all, many factors play a role here (age, family)

[polly]

Kira, I think your comment is the most balanced and reasonable, because men who are well versed in tanks and planes, in this delicate matter, in vain cut the shoulder!

[Ivga_lis]

Pauline, thank you Just some of the statements are a bit surprising. It seems that their authors perceive a woman not as a person, but as a kind of bio-incubator with legs

[Truth-lover]

A bioincubator is still normal. There may also be educated people, but you will reach the masses. There, most of you want to see you no more than a trouble-free crush

[Ivga_lis]

Quote: True-Amorous

but you will reach the masses. There, most of you want to see you no more than a trouble-free crush

How interesting do you feel about the "masses". That is, "mass", that is to say, the people around them, see a woman as a trouble-free shooter? So you, walking down the street and seeing a woman walking to a meeting, think only about what she will give you (if we are talking about the mass, to which we belong). Do you also treat the woman next to you like a dump? Curious about which environment you live in?

[Ivga_lis]

PSTruth-lover, if you follow your logic further, it turns out that the "mass" of men are not interested in anything other than sex in a relationship with a woman. Then what kind of revival of the nation, the cult of family values ​​are we talking about? And, in that case, is it worth condemning women who have abortions if, again, they are perceived as "givers"?

[Ivga_lis]

Truth-loverI apologize, I did not see that you are a lady, so the arguments in the first answer are not entirely valid.
Let's just say that you should not separate yourself or your friends from the masses - it smacks of some snobbery. I don’t argue, the attitude you indicated towards the woman is met, but it is often caused by the behavior style of the woman herself

[Ivga_lis]

It’s not clear to me otherwise how commentators can consider themselves patriots if, in fact, they propose, roughly speaking, to force a woman to give birth, stimulating it by abolishing pensions or by universal appeal, and those who have an abortion or do not give birth are raised to the rank of sh * x and drug addict.

[Setrac]

Quote: Ivga_Lis

they will be made anyway, but already illegally, and this is a much greater risk to a woman’s health.

Fools will become sterile and die out, normal women will give birth to girls and bring up expectant mothers. This is called natural selection. Asians in Russia give birth and domestic troubles do not bother them, and if the Russians do not begin to give birth, then over time they will become a minority, and this is also natural selection.

[Ivga_lis]

Setrac, but you do not consider the situation when the fool "flew" drunk, but gave birth, and gave birth to a sick child. And then she safely pushed him into the orphanage. Or even gave birth to a healthy child, but still pushed him away, because she did not want to be a mother. Again, the child finds himself in the "care" of the state - an orphanage. Does he have a great chance of normal development and subsequent social adaptation (provided that we have enough children in orphanages)?
Or another option - a 13-14 year old schoolgirl "flew". Here the condemnation of society (teachers, friends), the unlikely support of the family or the child's father. Of course, you can leave home and live in a hostel, but in what conditions will she live and raise this child, despite the fact that it is unlikely that she herself has grown brains.
There are a lot of examples and options here and each is individual. And to say that only fools do abortions ... it's like in that joke about the milkmaid, the chairman's wife, and "on average."
From your position it turns out that the woman is a sow. She must and must give birth. And as for natural selection - with the same logic, you can sterilize alcoholics and schizophrenics and introduce euthanasia for people with Down's disease, cerebral palsy, etc. diseases that are often inherited.

[Setrac]

Quote: Ivga_Lis

Setrac, and you do not consider the situation when the fool "flew" drunk, but gave birth, and gave birth to a sick child.

And who is to blame? I poured her beer and spread my legs? You are the one to blame.
The question is solved in an easy way - she refused the child - to deprive her of all privileges on the female part, in the army for military service and treat her like a man, let him pull the strap, not this woman.
I had an abortion - for the first time, five years conditionally, so that it would be disgraceful, well, to punish doctors.

Quote: Ivga_Lis

From your position it turns out that the woman is a sow. She must and must give birth.

Dear Kira, your parents gave birth to you, but they were not obliged, go and drown yourself in the pond, the fact of your existence is not required. So you also deprive your unborn children of the right to life. And what if all women refuse to give birth? Will the last person die in 80 years? In old age, pensioners are provided with a pension by the children of those who have given birth, those who have not given birth receive a free pension, which is extremely unfair!

Quote: Ivga_Lis

And to say that only fools do abortions ...

They fly in out of stupidity, and they do abortions because "bad people".

Quote: Ivga_Lis

And as for natural selection - with the same logic, you can sterilize alcoholics and schizophrenics and introduce euthanasia for people with Down's disease, cerebral palsy, etc. diseases

There is no need to kill, some (few) can be corrected, but it is necessary to deprive the possibility of having children.

[Ivga_lis]

Quote: Setrac

The question is solved in an easy way - she refused the child - to deprive her of all privileges on the female part, in the army for military service and treat her like a man, let him pull the strap, not this woman.

Are you definitely not Milonov? :) It hurts the style of thought is similar. I look forward to the next step when you propose to deprive women of their right to higher education - so that, therefore, Kinder-Kirche-Kuche.

Quote: Setrac

Dear Kira, your parents gave birth to you, but they were not obliged, go and drown in a pond, the fact of your existence is not necessary. So you deprive your children of unborn right to life.

A curious transition to personality. An appeal to gender, age, nationality - generally an excellent technique in a discussion - helps to defend one's point of view - after all, then the interlocutor obviously appears to be a fool. You should not project the examples I have given on my life and my attitude to the birth of children. I am not a rabid feminist and not a "childfree" - I'm just trying to explain to you that people have different situations. And forcing a woman to give birth to children means knowingly putting her, as a person, on a lower level. Again, according to your logic, we should follow the example of radical Muslims, when a woman exists only to continue the family line and to please her husband :) Do you not wonder what will happen to those children whom mothers gave birth to under duress? Who and how will bring them up and what kind of people will they grow up if they have such a vivid negative example of a family before their eyes?

Quote: Setrac

And what will happen if all women refuse to give birth?

Talk nonsense. Women gave birth and will give birth, because for them (us) motherhood is happiness. But there are those who, for various reasons, did not give birth when there was an opportunity. Well, what do you order, do not count such women as people?

Quote: Setrac

In old age, pensioners are provided with a pension by the children of those who have given birth, those who have not given birth receive a free pension, which is extremely unfair!

That is, if a person worked honestly all his life (and provided the life of the previous generation with his taxes), but for some reason did not have children, after retirement he does not have the right to live? Did it work for scrap?

Quote: Setrac

There is no need to kill, some (few) can be corrected, but it is necessary to deprive the possibility of having children.

And if these people want to live, love, and have children? You contradict yourself - first you say that having children is a duty and a duty, and then you claim that some people should be deprived of this right

[Setrac]

Quote: Ivga_Lis

That is, if a person worked honestly all his life (and provided the life of the previous generation with his taxes), but for some reason did not have children, after retirement he does not have the right to live? Did it work for scrap?

He provided life with his taxes now, when he retires, he will be provided by the children of those who gave birth, and if he has no children, then no one will be, and the pension will be undeserved.

[Ivga_lis]

Quote: Setrac

and the pension will be undeserved.

That is, I repeat, if before that he worked honestly, then, having retired, has no right to a decent life (pensions, medical care), just because he did not have children? What do you want to do with such people?

[Setrac]

Quote: Ivga_Lis

What do you want to do with such people?

This is not the right question, to get the right answers you need to ask the right questions. And the right question is how to survive the Russian nation and the state of Russia.

Quote: Ivga_Lis

That is, I repeat, if before that he worked honestly, then, having retired, has no right to a decent life (pensions, medical care), just because he did not have children?

Roughly speaking, yes, no children — let him die in poverty.
You see, the state, collecting taxes, does not invest in production, so that later it will pay interest to the pensioner, it does not save money in the bank, so that then it will pay to the pensioner. The state simply takes money from workers and gives it to pensioners. And when we become pensioners, the state will take money from our children and impersonally distribute it among pensioners. Thus, no one earns his labor for old age; for old age they earn by giving birth and raising children

[Ivga_lis]

Quote: Setrac

This is not the right question, to get the right answers you need to ask the right questions.

Are we discussing or passing exams to say which question is correct and which is not?

Quote: Setrac

And the right question is how to survive the Russian nation and the state of Russia.

Returning to the "correctness" of the questions - do we want Russia to turn into a strong state with a high standard of living, or do we want to have a lot of healthy workforce? In the first case, the problems must be solved, in the second, it is enough to prohibit abortions and the sale of condoms. Well, and "lower" the cultural level of people to the level of migrant workers from Asian countries

[Ivga_lis]

Quote: Setrac

Roughly speaking, yes, no children — let him die in poverty.

An interesting solution. That is, the right to exist (normal life) of a person you determine by the fact that he has children or not? It turns out that a person who has worked all his life is not worthy of respect and generally a normal life in retirement, just because he has no children? And what about, say, disabled people who have no children and live on state benefits? Same of them being scrapped?

[Setrac]

Quote: Ivga_Lis

An interesting solution. That is, the right to exist (normal life) of a person you determine by the fact that he has children or not?

I do not deprive anyone of the right to live, let them live, exist, etc. I speak of the fact that the state is not obligated to provide for children without age.

Quote: Ivga_Lis

And what about, say, disabled people who have no children and live on state benefits?

No need to juggle, people with disabilities receive disability benefits.

Quote: Ivga_Lis

It turns out that a person who has worked all his life is not worthy of respect and generally a normal life in retirement, just because he has no children?

He worked to provide for his parents, who gave him life and kept until adulthood, if he did not raise his children, then there is no one to take care of him, HE DOESN'T WATCH RESPECT, and did not deserve a pension.

[Ivga_lis]

Quote: Setrac

I say that the state is not obliged to provide childless children in old age.

So such people, too, often are childless. Therefore, it is necessary to limit - they voluntarily refused, and not for medical reasons (although, knowing how everything is being done, medical reasons will be very difficult to prove)

Quote: Setrac

No need to juggle, people with disabilities receive disability benefits.

Yes, but out of the money that workers now pay to the state in the form of taxes.

Quote: Setrac

He labored to provide for his parents, who gave him life and kept him until adulthood

Yeah, and even people with disabilities, state employees, convicts - taxes are not just for paying pensions.

[Setrac]

Quote: Ivga_Lis

Are you definitely not Milonov? :) It hurts the style of thought is similar.

Quote: Ivga_Lis

I'm not a rabid feminist and I'm not a childfree

Notice, I didn’t write anything like that about you, they themselves thought up, and about me too.

Quote: Ivga_Lis

And to force a woman to have children means to deliberately put her, as a person, at a lower level.

Yes, no one forces her, even if she doesn’t fly over, an unwanted pregnancy is a consequence of a low sex culture. And killing a child in the womb is not an option.

Quote: Ivga_Lis

Talk nonsense. Women gave birth and will give birth, because for them (us) motherhood is happiness.

Why is the number of Russians decreasing?

Quote: Ivga_Lis

But there are those who, for various reasons, did not give birth when there was an opportunity.

I would like to know what these reasons are? Alcohol? Drugs? A promiscuous sex life? Or just selfishness and selfishness!

Quote: Ivga_Lis

Well, what do you order, do not count such women as people?

Well, where do you get from them, these are people, but not women. It is not enough to give birth, it is necessary to bring up. Those who cannot give birth due to reasons beyond their control, those who are not guilty of their infertility, can adopt children from the orphanage.

[Ivga_lis]

Quote: Setrac

Yes, no one forces her, even if she doesn’t fly over, an unwanted pregnancy is a consequence of a low sex culture.

So how do you deal with this? To prohibit a woman to have sex if it does not serve to procreate (since there are "flights" for various reasons)? Or, nevertheless, to raise morality, to propagandize the cult of the family, so that the attitude towards pregnancy is exactly like the conception of a child, a person, and not like a "flight".

Quote: Setrac

Why is the number of Russians decreasing?

I am not a sociologist to say for sure. There are many reasons - early mortality, alcoholism, drug addiction. Again, the destruction of the institution of family and marriage. Nevertheless, I see many women around me who give birth - at 20-24 of the first, at 30-35 of the second.

Quote: Setrac

Or just selfishness and selfishness!

Maybe. And perhaps a passion for career and work - it also happens that a woman is aimed at success and career, and the creation of a family puts off or simply does not feel the need for marriage and children. It happens that it delves too long. It happens that due to external data does not cause interest in the opposite sex. I repeat, there are different cases. And rowing everyone who does not give birth at 18 under one comb, to put it mildly, is stupid.

Quote: Setrac

Well, where do you get from them, these are people, but not women. It is not enough to give birth, it is necessary to bring up.

The fact of the matter is that it is necessary to educate, to ensure the possibility of a normal life, education. And it’s difficult for a woman to make money and raise a child at the same time (personally, I don’t know families who are married, but don’t have children, because the woman just doesn’t want; but I know two single mothers)

[Setrac]

Quote: Ivga_Lis

She must and must give birth.

And yet, God gave each person the opportunity to love and be loved, and as a result - the obligation to give birth to children. If you do not want to give birth to children, then forget about sex, in all its forms, up to self-satisfaction.
YES, a woman is obliged to give birth, just as a man is obliged to defend his country.

[Ivga_lis]

Quote: Setrac

If you do not want to give birth to children, then forget about sex, in all its forms, up to self-satisfaction.

What a charm :) Again, the transition to personality ... Well, where did you see that I did not want to give birth to children?

Quote: Setrac

YES, a woman is obliged to give birth, just as a man is obliged to defend his country.

Every man is a soldier. Every woman is the mother of a soldier (s). You will decide, in your understanding, the family and the birth of children is happiness and by mutual consent of a man and a woman, or a duty? If the second option - read at your leisure "We" Zamyatin

[Setrac]

Quote: Ivga_Lis

What a charm :) Again, the transition to personality ... Well, where did you see that I did not want to give birth to children?

I say in general, it applies to all women, you see it all in a personal light.

[Ivga_lis]

Quote: Setrac

If you do not want to give birth to children, then forget about sex, in all its forms, up to self-satisfaction.

That is what I regarded as referring specifically to me, as a woman who, in your opinion, does not want to give birth.

The problem is that you say "in general" and "about everyone." Each case, in such a matter as pregnancy, is individual, and here you cannot say that everyone who has an abortion is stupid. It is in Moscow that a woman, at the very least, can find a job (and even then for a salary with which she can provide for herself and her child, a higher education is necessary), and in the regions this is much more difficult. And then, a woman who raises a child alone, often devotes little time to his upbringing and problems. And the perpetrators of abortions, by the way, are very often men who are currently partners of women.
It is impossible to solve this problem with bans - many people quit drinking after they stopped selling alcohol after 11? Or, perhaps, there were less cases of drunk driving when they introduced the notorious 0 ppm?

[Setrac]

Quote: Ivga_Lis

And the culprits of abortion, by the way, are very often men who are currently partners with women.

Conception of a child should come from husbands, if it is normal for you to conceive a child from some mythical "partner", what kind of morality and upbringing can we talk about? Normal children can only be raised in a full-fledged family. Raising a child in a disabled family or in an orphanage is a lottery with a low probability of success.

Quote: Ivga_Lis

Each case, in such a matter as pregnancy, is individual, and one cannot say here that everyone who makes an abortion is foolish.

Of course, each case must be considered separately, but for this it is necessary to give an example of this same case. And in any case - an abortion is a murder.

[Ivga_lis]

Quote: Setrac

Conception of a child should come from husbands, if it is normal for you to conceive a child from some mythical "partner", what kind of morality and upbringing can we talk about?

And again this strange "you". First, when I speak of "partner" I mean the sexual partner, the second participant in the conception of the child. Because there are options when partners become husbands after conception, and sometimes on the contrary - husbands after conception or childbirth disappear like spring snow. Therefore, I repeat, it is necessary to raise the moral level of the population, to promote the institution of the family, the birth of children.
If we talk about "you" as me. Personally, I consider it normal to give birth to a child for myself, if I do not find a man with whom I want to connect my life. Moreover, I do not believe that in our time you can rely on a man both in terms of financial support and in terms of everyday life (this is not the case for all men, but for many people of my age and a little older)

[Setrac]

Quote: Ivga_Lis

Because there are options when partners become husbands after conception, and sometimes vice versa - husbands after conception or the birth of a child disappear like spring snow.

Actually, each person, both a man and a woman, chooses their soul mate for themselves, I have enough friends who have made the wrong choice, what can I say, they themselves (themselves) are guilty (guilty), so she (him) is so (such) need (need).

[Ivga_lis]

Here again, each case is individual, therefore, such a problem cannot be solved by prohibitions alone and cannot be, because understanding that you do not want to live with this person, for often, is only possible in the process of living together

[Misantrop]

Quote: Setrac

choose your soul mate

The other day I got some good advice on this topic. "Before you go to the registry office, try to glue the wallpaper together in the room. If, as a result, you did not quarrel, and both were satisfied with the quality of the walls, then you were made for each other ..." (c)

[Setrac]

Quote: Ivga_Lis

Moreover, I do not think that in our time a man can be relied upon both in terms of financial support and in terms of household

Your position is understandable, the fault of the previous generation that did not educate men and brought up it is not known what.

[Russ69]

You can’t complain about the state all the time, which doesn’t help others, although the state certainly needs to do this. First of all, they give birth to children for themselves, and not for the state.
In the beginning of the 90s, I shut up my two with a difference of 4 years, and there was nothing to do. Soon I will become a grandfather.

[UFO]

Something tried little.

[tifon]

It is necessary to ban abortions in Russia, at least for ten years, at present only this can fix the demographic situation, no matter how hard it is, only this can save Russia, albeit stupidly, but so far.

[Mikhail]

It is necessary to ban not ten years, but forever.

[smile]

tifon
You can’t solve anything and you can’t fix anything. If you follow the path that you have proposed, they will undergo abortion (there was such a term in Soviet law, remember?), The mortality rate of women will increase sharply and various complications will jump exponentially up to infertility, a new one will appear the criminal industry is the production of illegal abortions and, accordingly, the corruption associated with it .... nothing else ... Therefore, in my opinion, nothing good will come of the prohibitions.

[Setrac]

Quote: smile

You can’t solve anything with prohibitions and you can’t fix anything.

You did not understand the idea, it is necessary to prohibit abortion because it is murder, abortion does not terminate the pregnancy, during an abortion, the fetus is killed, depriving the unborn yet existing person of the right to life. Whoever does not want to give birth, let him not fly, will be fought with such methods by other methods.

[Alekseir162]

By the way, I found a commentary by a certain Dr. Wetzel, maybe this name does not say anything to a modern reader, but this is the same “doctor” who had a hand in drawing up the so-called “Ost” master plan (I think many have heard of this plan). That is why the Nazi plan, you and I, would have to die out if it were implemented. Here is a quote from this, so to speak, the document: "...

c) There are many ways to undermine the biological power of the people ... The aim of German policy towards the population on Russian territory will be to bring the birth rate of Russians to a lower level than that of the Germans. The same applies, by the way, to the extremely prolific peoples of the Caucasus, and in the future, partially to Ukraine. So far, we are interested in increasing the Ukrainian population as opposed to the Russians. But this should not lead to the fact that Ukrainians will take the place of Russians over time.

In order to avoid an increase in the population that is undesirable for us in the eastern regions, it is imperative to avoid in the East all the measures that we used to increase the birth rate in the empire. In these areas, we must consciously pursue a policy of population reduction. By means of propaganda, especially through the press, radio, cinema, leaflets, brief brochures, reports, etc., we must constantly inspire the population with the idea that it is harmful to have many children.

It is necessary to show how much money raising children costs and what could be acquired with these funds. We need to talk about the great danger to the health of the woman to whom she is exposed while giving birth to children, etc. Along with this, the broadest propaganda of contraceptives should be launched. It is necessary to establish widespread production of these funds. The distribution of these agents and abortions should in no way be limited. The expansion of the abortion network should be encouraged. You can, for example, organize special retraining of midwives and paramedics and train them to perform abortions. The better the abortion will be, the more credible the population will be. It is clear that doctors must also have permission to have abortions. And this should not be considered a violation of medical ethics.

Voluntary sterilization should also be promoted, a struggle to reduce infant mortality should be avoided, and mothers should not be allowed to teach nursing children and preventive measures against childhood diseases. The training of Russian doctors in these specialties should be reduced to a minimum, and no support should be given to kindergartens and other similar institutions. Along with these health activities, there should be no obstacle to divorce. Help should not be given to illegitimate children. Should not allow any tax privileges for large families, do not provide them with financial assistance in the form of allowances to wages ...

It is important for us Germans to weaken the Russian people to such an extent that they are no longer able to prevent us from establishing German rule in Europe. "

He who has eyes - let him see! He who has ears, let him hear ...

[Cheloveck]

The article is a clear minus!
As always, the cart is placed in front of the horse.

[Seraph]

To ban and give money is great.
I want to tell a story from my priestly practice. One hieromonk, with whom we lived in the same monastery, was fired up with the idea of ​​fighting abortion. Collected methodical and popular educational literature, video films, established contact with the center "Life" and began to go to the maternity hospital, which is also an abortion clinic. There are mostly young female vagrants who know little or nothing about abortion. With the permission of the administration of the institution, the hieromonk put a TV in the hall and played propaganda films, talked with mothers. Result: after a year, the number of abortions dropped by about half.
All this happened in the city of Rostov the Great, the city of the depressed, low salaries. And the result is obvious.
Then tell me about fat priests on Mercedes and watches with diamonds.

[Mikhail]

Fat priests on Mercedes cars and watches with brilliants - welcome to Comrade Lenin, the "most humane man", and all his predecessors (in the face of everyone and all "fighters for the people's happiness") and emissaries (modern liberals).
Thanks to the "great" Lenin for allowing abortions in 1920: we still cannot get out of this pit, although there was an attempt in 1936.

[Hon]

Quote: Michael

Fat priests on Mercedes cars and watches with brilliants - welcome to Comrade Lenin, the "most humane man", and all his predecessors (in the face of everyone and all "fighters for the people's happiness") and emissaries (modern liberals).
Thanks to the "great" Lenin for allowing abortions in 1920: we still cannot get out of this pit, although there was an attempt in 1936.

Pushkin wrote about fat priests. By the way, the Holy Synod at its meeting on February 26 refused to call on the Orthodox laity not to participate in riots and demonstrations. Researcher Mikhail Babkin sheds light on the reasons for such a reaction by the Synod: its chairman, Metropolitan Vladimir, was “offended” by “Emperor Nicholas II for transferring from Petrograd to the Kiev department”. The synod consistently ignored requests to defend the monarchy from the Yekaterinoslav department of the Union of Russian People (February 22), from a friend (deputy) of the synodal chief prosecutor Prince Zhevakhov (February 26), from the chief prosecutor Raev N. P. (February 27, with the beginning of an armed uprising). It is significant that the Synod responded to Raev’s request by remarking that “it is not known where treason comes from - from above or from below”.
In general, the Church saw in the revolution an opportunity to get rid of the tutelage of the state, replacing the synodal device with the patriarchal one. At the same meeting, on March 4, the tsarist chair was demonstratively taken out of the hall “into the archive” as “a symbol of Caesarapapism in the Russian Church”

[smile]

Seraph
Great example! And a worthy person.
Normal people do not think that all the priests are like you indicated in the last line ... It is clear that the family has its black sheep, and "priests" are different, but the overwhelming majority are exactly what priests should be. And normal people don't talk about "priests" and their diamonds.

[cumastra1]

The perfect truth!

Clarification, propaganda, education - this is how to deal with abortion, not prohibitions. If they support the future mother morally, support her financially, and we have benefits - the cat wept, but all sorts of olympiads - swell billions.

[Danilka]

Quote: Seraphim

To ban and give money is great.
I want to tell a story from my priestly practice. One hieromonk, with whom we lived in the same monastery, was fired up with the idea of ​​fighting abortion. Collected methodical and popular educational literature, video films, established contact with the center "Life" and began to go to the maternity hospital, which is also an abortion clinic. There are mostly young female vagrants who know little or nothing about abortion. With the permission of the administration of the institution, the hieromonk put a TV in the hall and played propaganda films, talked with mothers. Result: after a year, the number of abortions dropped by about half.
All this happened in the city of Rostov the Great, the city of the depressed, low salaries. And the result is obvious.
Then tell me about fat priests on Mercedes and watches with diamonds.

a very good example, plus. Earlier all over the world, religion was a deterrent (if not an overwhelming factor for abortion). Now, as it were, progress, the science of religion in Russia has shaken after the advice ... bad
Threat just do not need religion now to behave as in the Middle Ages

[Seraph]

By "the behavior of religion as in the Middle Ages" you, apparently, mean fanaticism and sectarianism? I absolutely agree in this case: fanatics, sectarians and hunters have no place in an enlightened and developed society. As soon as we become such a society (God forbid that we live!), We will have no thieving officials, no careless doctors, no illiterate teachers, no unrestrained drunks, no drug addicts, no lazy men, no corrupt women, no greedy, unbelieving priests. In the meantime, you have to live with what you have; do not burn out the weeds under a clean one, so as not to destroy the good fruit ...

[DZ_98_B]

I don’t understand the desire of Africans dying of hunger to reproduce with terrifying speed. Actually, I saw movies at the dock, they have hunger, children die of hunger like flies, and women, Negroes, are always abdominal. We need to talk not about the prohibition of abortion, but about the real support of mothers and their children. Not to finance fanfaraon projects, but to support motherhood, healthy motherhood.

[montemor]

how many people, so many opinions. for me, you need to change the attitude towards families with children. having children should be prestigious, and not have, shamefully and strongly condemned in society. so far, we have everything exactly the opposite

[savoj]

And why should the Russians give birth once again when their elected government periodically organizes either the revolution, the civil war, the Gulag, Afghanistan, or Chechnya ...... Everything is fine with Abramovich, it seems there are six children ....

[Mikhail]

You got something wrong. The power chosen by the revolution does not organize — this is complete absurdity.
The revolution of 1917 and the civil war are the result of the activity of usurpers.
Afghanistan and Chechnya are wars from which no one is safe.
And in the GULAG, not only the innocent were sitting, as the liberals say so, but also those who had something to sit for. Under any government, there is a place of deprivation of liberty.

[smile]

savoj
Here you look at your comments, at your disgusting attitude towards Russia and involuntarily come to the conclusion that abortion should not be prohibited. :)))

[Black]

Quote: savoj

And why should the Russians give birth once again when their elected government periodically organizes either the revolution, the civil war, the Gulag, Afghanistan, or Chechnya ..

I read your comments ...

First, for the Russians, no one will do anything, neither his own people nor a stranger,


There are a lot of smart and talented people. The problem is in power, in leadership. In the payment and control of personnel. And behind everything is the Russian people, who have elected and are not against this power.

In Russia, specialists have always been planted, from times (grief from the mind) to the present. This was especially practiced under Stalin. So to live with this Russian always, is doom when there is no way out.


.... I imagine what will happen when they start launching military missiles .... there is neither sorrow, nor joy, nothing ...... this is RUSSIA. Of course, it is worth fearing primarily because of such missiles, Chernobyls (which are half the country), and so on. God apparently is when he punishes and breaks up an empire that killed millions of its citizens under the Stalinist communists.

With such a flag on the profile picture ... why don’t you like the Russian people so much? to such an extent that you don’t have any reason for giving birth !!! And we are fools, and idiots, and do not see our happiness .... somewhere I already heard it .... Do you wear a mustache?

[Truth-lover]

Nda. Russophobia in its most perverse understanding

[Mikhail]

Abortion must be prohibited. In this case, it is necessary to take preventive measures against those who try to circumvent the law. That there will be no doubt.

[Hon]

It is not up to you to give birth or not! Yes, it is necessary by all possible means to help reduce the number of abortions, but if she already decided to get rid of the child, her job.

[UFO]

Have you seen the abortion video? Where is it shown how the child moves away, hides from the medical tools with which they want to pull him out? They cannot hook him and tear him in parts and pull them out in parts. Have you seen his dumb scream? !!!

[Hon]

Quote: UFO

Have you seen the abortion video? Where is it shown how the child moves away, hides from the medical tools with which they want to pull him out? They cannot hook him and tear him in parts and pull them out in parts. Have you seen his dumb scream? !!!

This is one of the ways to fight abortion, show the one who wants to do this video. In general, a couple of months ago, at the Leningradsky railway station, a guy approached me for about thirty years. With words like "share a trifle, we are Russian". I really wanted to throw such a Russian on the rails, and it is a pity that his parents did not have an abortion.

[Mikhail]

It is not for you to decide, to kill or not.
A woman does not have the right to get rid of the child, because no one has been given the moral right to kill themselves. If people do not want a child at the moment, they must be protected.
It is like you minus me.

[Setrac]

Quote: Hon

It is not up to you to give birth or not! Yes, it is necessary by all possible means to help reduce the number of abortions, but if she already decided to get rid of the child, her job.

So you can justify all the murderers. "If he decided to kill someone - that's his business!" In such cases, a woman rests on her rights, but forgets about the rights of the child.
In fact, it is not necessary to prohibit abortion, you can pass a law to consider a person’s life not from the moment of birth, but from the moment of conception, then any abortion will immediately become a murder with all criminal responsibility.

[2я19]

Her legs should be planted neatly, and God gave birth, for you are a woman and this is your only holy duty. Give birth and do not interfere in God's providence, give it to an orphanage, throw it in a rich house, but give the child a chance if it is not for you to decide whether to be him.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

You need to work with doctors (gynecologists), my first wife was frightened (supposedly don’t give birth normally and nobody will call a helicopter because of you) the second one was rammed (you need to do a caesarean, etc.) Two healthy sons were born and gave birth without complications .. I wanted to go and strangle such doctors. How many girls survived after such a gynecologist’s words .. Here such damn things. And my wife has that in the first marriage, that in the second marriage, mature and not stupid women had something to say, and young ones .. and there are many Russia (not all of course ..)

[Black]

Quote: MIKHAN

my first wife was scared

Common situation.
The wife (at the 4th month) comes after the reception of the gynecologist "killed", they said, "your fetus has decomposed already !!!"
Praise the Lord, they did not panic .... 24 years ago, the "decayed fruit", they snapped up ....

[Vitaly Anisimov]

The state pays money for everyone, it’s not that ... The social service together with gynecologists should work as the FSB (to identify normal families where the woman became pregnant ..) and keep them in the flesh until the ambulance is on duty near the house .. Heads of administrations should have a list of all pregnant women and every day to report on what state of health has been done .. what is needed .. Women should feel this state protection .. (the number of abortions has increased the official’s expense ..) and the Russian Orthodox Church should periodically appear in such places. icons are all that). I’m a little bit) emotionally, but simply imagined what our Russian women feel in these rooms. Well and most importantly, we men need to take care of our loved ones .. many of us are dead .. something .... These are the things ...

[Black]

Quote: MIKHAN

dying a lot of us .. something

I agree with you!
This "something" the boys with liters from 12 years old whip !!!

[Mikhail]

Quote: Hon

Quote: UFO

Have you seen the abortion video? Where is it shown how the child moves away, hides from the medical tools with which they want to pull him out? They cannot hook him and tear him in parts and pull them out in parts. Have you seen his dumb scream? !!!

This is one of the ways to fight abortion, show the one who wants to do this video. In general, a couple of months ago, at the Leningradsky railway station, a guy approached me for about thirty years. With words like "share a trifle, we are Russian". I really wanted to throw such a Russian on the rails, and it is a pity that his parents did not have an abortion.

You know, you’ve probably got somewhere in a liberal party, not here.
Everything that you wrote about the Holy Synod is well known.
If Pushkin wrote about fat priests, this does not mean that he was an atheist. And among the priests there are different people, including those at the very top.

[Hon]

Quote: Michael

You know, you’ve probably got somewhere in a liberal party, not here.
Everything that you wrote about the Holy Synod is well known.
If Pushkin wrote about fat priests, this does not mean that he was an atheist. And among the priests there are different people, including those at the very top.

I’ll somehow decide where I should be. I did not say that Pushkin is an atheist, I simply do not know this. You began to claim that fat priests were Lenin’s inventions, and before the revolution there was quiet and smooth. In the USSR, by the way, families and birth rates were supported in every possible way, although ideologically the state was atheistic. And by the way, when they start arguing about religion on this site, a big deal rises, there are few liberals on this site, so you don’t need to drive about the fact that everyone who disagrees with you a priori the enemies of Russia.

[Obliterator]

collecting typically “masculine” materials on his electronic pages — these are articles about weapons, and analytical materials on geopolitics, and the emotional opinions of his esteemed readers about a variety of pressing issues related to the theme of patriotism.

I’ll speak a little off topic. When I use the phrase "typically" male "materials, I involuntarily recall social networks. Namely, the local understanding of these very men's materials usually boils down to photographs of chic auto-moto, fashionable men's clothes, advice on how to wear them, stupid "rules of life" ala "always sit in the back seat in a taxi", pictures of half-naked girls, pictures of gopniks in masks with bits in some dark alleyway and phrases about a difficult boy's life, and the like slag. It is disgusting, and even scary, when you remember how many people see all this and perceive it at face value.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: Chen

Quote: MIKHAN

dying a lot of us .. something

I agree with you!
This "something" the boys with liters from 12 years old whip !!!

A lot of mature and not always drinking smart men die, which is the most offensive ... (the soul hurts just for many ..) And we don’t need to poke us with this .. We not only know how to walk and shoot ..

[serge]

The prohibition of abortion is the first thing to do to improve the demographic situation. Housing problems - this is the second.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Conclusion .. We are building rockets, ships, airplanes. we fly into space !!. And our main strategic weapon of Russia (our beloved wives, mothers of daughters) should not be forgotten .. "They will stop the horse and enter the burning hut ..) They love us for our soul .. !! And another time to pull the Country out of all this .. Here I just expressed (the topic is necessary .. I think) We just noticed the homosexuals are discussing more .. Think guys where are we going !!! Like everything he wanted to express ..

[shurup]

A spitting mirror in his own face has not yet been invented.
If you want to try, ask the woman next to you.
A homosexual is not a miscarriage, and so, a miscarriage - there is no discussion.

[Mikhail]

Quote: serge

The prohibition of abortion is the first thing to do to improve the demographic situation. Housing problems - this is the second.

Right. When supporters of abortion say that there is "nowhere to live," they do not see the reason for that. And the main reason is in their own worldview, which allows not only to kill, but to kill those who cannot even resist the murder.
Propaganda is a terrible force. It is imperative that everyone understands that life begins not at birth, but at conception. It is necessary to overcome the legacy of 1920. And correctly constructed propaganda will help in this.
You need to give birth, and the rest will follow. It is no coincidence that there is such a proverb: God gave the child, and give on the child (I have already quoted her above in the commentary).

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Now is a different time "prohibitions" will lead the death of stupid girls under the forceps of leftist doctors ...

[2я19]

How I want to believe that such articles prepare the ground for the prohibition of abortion. Abortion is premeditated murder by a group of persons by prior agreement and nothing else !!! With all that it implies. Pakistan, Afghanistan, India and others give birth, and Belgium, France, Denmark and Russia are reborn with them. Makhachkala, Grozny, Nazran give birth, and Tver, Samara, Belgorod are reborn. Why? Tell me, cultural traditions, all traditions boil down to the fact that in Novolak they will tear out their legs for an abortion, and in the same Pugachev they will eat a litruha, that everything went well. More such articles, more TV, radio and newspaper programs. And a mandatory complete ban, otherwise the Russians will die out and Russia will turn into a "Middle East2". What our "partners" want in the future.

[potters nat]

Abortion is just the realization of our unwillingness to have children, but where does unwillingness come from? The answer is simple - PENSIONS, this POWERFUL TOOL TO PROMOTE PRIVACY.
In my theory there are 3 theses:
1. We have not earned pensions - this is a pyramid scheme.
2. Pensions destroy the family, morality, and the nation itself, because why have a family and children - will there be a pension?
3. As a result of guaranteed old-age pensions, the people no longer reproduce themselves, the birth rate falls below the death rate IN A GENERATION, when a generation grows up that perceives pensions as the law of nature, the country is flooded with immigrants, the nation disappears.
(My entire book, “How Pensions Destroyed Great Nations,” can be downloaded from the Billion Russia website).

[Setrac]

I want to add.
Free medicine encourages a disregard for one's own health.
Free education generates a lot of unnecessary specialists when the country needs simple hard workers.

[potters nat]

Abortion is just the realization of our unwillingness to have children, but where does unwillingness come from? And here from where - PENSIONS, this POWERFUL INSTRUMENT OF PROMOTING VICTIMS.
In my theory there are 3 theses:
1. We have not earned pensions - this is a pyramid scheme.
2. Pensions destroy the family, morality, and the nation itself, because why have a family and children - will there be a pension?
3. As a result of guaranteed old-age pensions, the people no longer reproduce themselves, the birth rate falls below the death rate IN A GENERATION, when a generation grows up that perceives pensions as the law of nature, the country is flooded with immigrants, the nation disappears.
(My entire book, “How Pensions Destroyed Great Nations,” can be downloaded from the Billion Russia website).

[Setrac]

make a book in FB2 format

[Savva30]

Somehow a certain couple came to the old man. “Father,” the spouse says, “I am expecting a child, and we already have four children; if the fifth is born, we won’t live. Bless to have an abortion.
“I see it’s not easy for you to live,” the elder answers, “well,
I bless you to kill your child. Just kill the eldest daughter, she’s already fifteen years old: tea, she’s already lived in the world, she has seen something,
and that little one and a ray of the sun have not yet seen, it will be unjust to deprive him of this opportunity.
In horror, the woman covered her face with her hands and sobbed.

Article + !!! It is often necessary to raise such questions to the surface ...
Please submit this article to our rulers for breakfast ...

[Fibrizio]

Quote: Nat Goncharov

Abortion is just the realization of our unwillingness to have children, but where does unwillingness come from? And here from where - PENSIONS, this POWERFUL INSTRUMENT OF PROMOTING VICTIMS.
In my theory there are 3 theses:
1. We have not earned pensions - this is a pyramid scheme.
2. Pensions destroy the family, morality, and the nation itself, because why have a family and children - will there be a pension?
3. As a result of guaranteed old-age pensions, the people no longer reproduce themselves, the birth rate falls below the death rate IN A GENERATION, when a generation grows up that perceives pensions as the law of nature, the country is flooded with immigrants, the nation disappears.
(My entire book, “How Pensions Destroyed Great Nations,” can be downloaded from the Billion Russia website).

Well, sorry, you bent. So those who, say, lost children in the war are doomed to die in old age?

[Mill hill]

1. Total propaganda of family integrity and the immorality of casual relationships.
2. Censorship in the media, banning films with Western values.
3. Allowing abortions only in cases of inferiority of the child or threat to the life of the mother.