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Abortion as a nationwide threat

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• According to latest stats, Russia ranks first in the world in the number of abortions per capita.
• President of the Russian Society of Obstetricians-Gynecologists Vladimir Serov приводит data according to which every thousand Russians of child-bearing age have an average of 50 abortions per year.
• British researcher of this problem Wm. Robert Johnston in his latest sociological work leads even more depressing numbers. According to his estimate, up to 70% of pregnancies in Russia end with an artificial interruption. Only 2% (!) Of our compatriots until 40 years have never done such an operation in their lives.

And here are some data provided by the CEO Analytical Center "Family Policy. RF" P. A. Parfentiev at the international scientific-practical conference "Reproductive family health (perinatal psychology and family medicine)", held in St. Petersburg, 15-17 in May 2013.







Abortion as a nationwide threat


These figures are absolutely horrifying, they are beyond comprehension, and from the mere thought that every day, every hour in Orthodox Russia, hundreds of women take the lives of their unborn children, it becomes, to put it mildly, uncomfortable.

Where in the country so many abortions? Are citizens not aware of their danger, not only from the demographic point of view (for a very large number of our fellow citizens, this problem, unfortunately, does not exist at all), but also from the point of view of the obvious threat to women's health? Perhaps the problem is the weakness of general public health education, one of whose goals would be an accessible explanation of the absolute harm of abortion. It is also clear that abortion is, among other things, a multi-million dollar criminal business, and there is no doubt about the availability of an abortion lobby in the health care system, so the fight against this absolute evil is very difficult. Recall at least the terrible last year barrel story.

The problem of mass abortions in Russia is less than a hundred years old, but during this time they have caused such demographic losses, which can be compared with the military losses of the Russian people for the entire 20 century. This allows us to assert with confidence that abortion is one of the most effective tools for the systematic destruction of the Russian people, deftly introduced into the "medical" practice by its enemies in the early years of Bolshevik atheist-godless madness. Even before coming to power, V.I. Lenin in his article “The Working Class and Neo-Malthusianism” spoke in favor of “unconditional abolition of all laws pursuing abortion”, in which he saw the protection of the “elementary democratic rights of a citizen and citizen” [Reproduction of the USSR Population / А G. Volkov, V. A. Belova, G. A. Bondarskaya and others; Ed. A. G. Vishnevsky and A.G. Volkov. - M .: 1983. S. - 154.].

Democracy, human rights ... what familiar words! How often we have to hear them today from the mouths of representatives of the “progressive public” who sell the country for green paper pieces. Well, nothing surprising, because one of the targets of the Bolsheviks, as well as their spiritual and ideological successors of modern gay liberals, was just the family as one of the foundations of the Russian state.

The cosmetic trend towards the stabilization of the demographic situation that has emerged in recent years in the very near future will inevitably be replaced by a new, perhaps even deeper crisis. how writes "Rossiyskaya Gazeta", Russia has five years left to get out of the demographic hole. “The generation born at the beginning of 90's is now entering the reproductive age - the smallest in the post-war period. And literally in 10 years, the number of women in active reproductive age (20-29 years), which account for two thirds of births, will be almost halved. Russia expects a huge reduction in the working-age population - by 2020, by 7-8 million, by 2050, by more than 26 million. This will lead to the most acute problems in the economy, jeopardize the country's defense capability (by 2020, the number of men of military age will decrease by more than a third, and by 2050, by more than 40 percent), ”the WG writes.

Measures aimed at rectifying the situation include the creation of a Family and Children Support Fund that will pay family benefits, matkapital, fund childcare services for children up to 3 years and provide other support to families, including assistance in purchasing and renting housing. It is also possible that matkapital will begin to pay again at the birth of the third and subsequent children. The authorities do not speak only about one thing - about the legislative prohibition of abortions.

A light in the end of a tunnel…
MOSCOW, May 24 - RIA News. The birth rate in Russia in 2012 increased by 5,6%, including due to the prevention of abortion, said the head of the Ministry of Health, Veronika Skvortsova, on Friday.
"The 2012 year was characterized by an increase in the birth rate of the population by 5,6% - from 12,6 to 13,3 per thousand population," said the minister. According to her, this was due to social incentives for families of childbirth, as well as a special role was played by the whole range of measures for the protection of motherhood and childhood, including psychological support services for pregnant women in difficult situations.
"This has reduced the number of abortions on 53,9 by thousands, that is, by 5,5% in one year," she said. In addition, as a result of the use of high-tech methods of infertility treatment, more than 3 thousands of children were born, Skvortsova noted.
http://ria.ru/society/20130524/939265675.html


Note that the percentage increase in fertility (5,6%) almost exactly coincides with the percentage reduction in the number of abortions (5,5%). So, in 2012, almost 54 managed to save thousands of children's lives. Is there any doubt that among these thousands of saved 54 children there are Lomonosovs and Shalyapins, Gagarins and Tchaikovsky, Mendeleevs and Popovs - just people whose life is inviolable! And if the number of such rescued children exceeded one million per year ... It seems that it would be much easier to deal with the demographic threat looming over Russia.

Artist Boris Zabolotsky

Returning to the rationale for the appearance of this article on this site, it is worth saying that in fact abortion has long ceased to be a purely “female” topic. However, such they never were. The killing of one’s own offspring often happens with heartless consent, and sometimes at the insistence of men. The words “let's not now”, “get rid of”, “this is not my child”, “we have enough”, “we are not ready”, “we will not feed” today are pronounced by millions of healthy Russian men - representatives of the STRONG sex. Meanwhile, Russia, due to abortions and chilling souls, the frivolous attitude of the average Russian man to the family, the woman and her own role in the universe - the role of breadwinner and protector, annually loses the population of the whole region! .. Isn't it time to put an end to all this hellish lawlessness and stop killing your own children !?
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  1. nikolas 83
    nikolas 83 8 July 2013 07: 06 New
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    The article is somehow muddy. Tipo Russia will die out. You won’t wait. Europe and the USA will die out faster. There are no people who were given piderasts and will not multiply. It’s good that family values ​​are preserved in our country.
    1. Rus.tiger
      Rus.tiger 8 July 2013 08: 14 New
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      Quote: nikolas 83
      .Tipo Russia will die out. Do not wait

      All people watch TV.
      All news channels carry official reassuring assurances: "The demographic crisis in Russia is behind us, indicators are improving, and numbers are increasing." Most viewers sincerely believe this.
      But there is no real improvement in demography.
      When those who "point blank do not want to see reality" - then words are useless.
      Here you need to call statistics to help. She shows the reality.
      Let’s take 20 regions in which 95% of the inhabitants in the 1989 census called themselves: “we are Russians”. Let's unite them with one concept “Russian core”.
      Moreover, we will not include both capitals and metropolitan areas in the “Russian core”, because in them the share of Russian residents according to the results of recent censuses is rapidly declining.
      Moscow: 1989 - 93,4%, 2010 - 88%.
      Petersburg - a decrease from 94% to 82,2%.



      Comparison of deaths and births
      Difference, thousand people / Attitude

      Pskov REDUCTION 5,63 1,8
      Tula DECREASE 11,7 1,8
      Tambov REDUCTION 6,99 1,7
      Smolensk REDUCTION 6,03 1,6
      Tverskaya LOW 8,85 1,6
      Ryazan REDUCTION 6,37 1,5
      Ivanovo REDUCE 6,1 1,5
      Bryansk LEVEL 5,98 1,4
      Vladimirskaya REDUCTION 7,29 1,4
      Nizhny Novgorod REDUCTION 13,9 1,4 etc. . .

      As you can see, the “dry numbers” of the primary statistics of these Russian regions for 2012 show a LOSS.
      And the ratio of death to birth is actually TWO births THREE deaths.
      That is precisely in the Russian people of the regions the situation is as follows - on THREE coffins TWO cradles.
      But in 2012, official reports flashed in the media about Russia's natural GROWTH.
      So there should be regions that compensated for this LOSS of the “Russian core”.
      Where is the growth in Russia?
      In Moscow in 2012 - an increase of 17,2 thousand people.
      There is an increase in some Russian areas:
      - Murmansk - an increase of 0,4 thousand people.
      - Sverdlovskaya - an increase of 1,5 thousand people.
      - Chelyabinsk - an increase of 0,5 thousand people.
      - Novosibirsk - an increase of 0,8 thousand people.
      - Khabarovsk Territory - an increase of 0,15 thousand people.
      But in any of these Russian regions, the growth is ORDER less than DECREASED any of the areas of the "Russian core" table.
      So growth must be sought in the autonomies.
      In the Caucasus:
      - Dagestan - growth 39,5 thousand;
      - Chechnya - growth 27,0 thousand
      - Ingushetia - growth 8,2 thousand
      - Kabardino-Balkaria - growth 8,2 thousand

      Further, I hope, it is clear ?????
      Figures from the Goskomstat website - http://www.gks.ru/free_doc/2012/demo/edn12-12.htm

      WHO TO BELIEVE !?
      Generalization

      The first one. Official TV reports do not reflect the reality of demographics.
      The second one. There can be no prosperity in Russia when the Russian people in TWO cradles of THREE coffins.
      The third. The difference between the Russian regions and autonomies is huge.
      Fourth. From the averaged messages on demography, the benefit is as from the "average temperature in the hospital."
      1. kris
        kris 8 July 2013 09: 13 New
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        Quote: Rus.Tiger
        The first one. Official TV reports do not reflect the reality of demographics.
        The second one. There can be no prosperity in Russia when the Russian people in TWO cradles of THREE coffins.
        The third. The difference between the Russian regions and autonomies is huge.
        Fourth. From the averaged messages on demography, the benefit is as from the "average temperature in the hospital."

        targeted destruction by the elite of the RUSSIAN people.
        youth actively solder and corrupt.
        through propaganda they grow a stupid, not thinking, drinking consumer who, instead of conceiving children, stupidly mates!
        And it is bearing fruit. The number of cattle is growing exponentially!
        1. Rus.tiger
          Rus.tiger 8 July 2013 09: 28 New
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          Misha. "purposeful destruction by the top of the RUSSIAN people." . .
          I do not see the point to continue the topic, I am not looking at the earth from the moon through a telescope. Get the next transfusion "from empty to empty."
          Plot. Sweaty, dirty, ragged vest. Sailor climbing over the Kremlin wall and burning on the heated PPSh cartridge disk, which previously threw grenades at the courtyard. . .
          Somewhere we already saw it. . .
          I would not want a repetition, but where to go. It’s time and it’s time. . .

          For example:
          “Over the two and a half centuries of the Tatar-Mongol yoke, Russians have practically disappeared in Russia. The Mongols diluted Russian blood, thereby changing the original psychology of Russian people. The Mongols brought aggressiveness, cunning, insidiousness, greed, laziness and other unpleasant qualities into it. ”
          / Richard Nixon. President SUSH. Real war
          "The Real War", 1978./
          Nixon’s opinion is concrete: "honest negotiations cannot be conducted with the Russians, they will still deceive and inflict an insidious blow in the back."
          The focus of the position of the “fifth column” is also quite obvious - to humiliate the Russians and reduce them to a primitive level.
          Therefore, allegations of racial and biological clogging of the Russian people cannot be left without refutation.
          But emotional disturbances will not help.
          1. smile
            smile 8 July 2013 17: 23 New
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            Rus.tiger
            When researching the genotype of the Russian people, it turned out not so long ago that the Mongols did not inherit it in comrades ... in general ... so that your statement about the dilution by the Mongols of Russian blood and the disappearance of Russians after the yoke is absolutely unreasonable and unreliable .... usually all sorts of Bandera and Western propagandists have been talking about this for the last couple of centuries trying to represent us as wild Asians ... grandfather Goebbels also thought so .... it is strange that you agree with them.
            1. Normal
              Normal 8 July 2013 21: 52 New
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              Quote: smile
              ... so that your statement about the dilution by the Mongols of Russian blood and the disappearance of Russians after the yoke is absolutely unreasonable and unreliable ..

              Quote: Rus.Tiger
              / Richard Nixon. President SUSH. Real war
              "The Real War", 1978./

              Well, why are you so, Vladimir ....
            2. Rus.tiger
              Rus.tiger 9 July 2013 01: 26 New
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              Quote: smile
              it’s strange that you agree with them.

              Fear God, Vladimir. Please indicate at least a hint of my agreement with this lop-sided baboon Nixon.
              The authorship of the quote is indicated, even your namesake "normal" slightly chided you. But this, for example, is talking about.
              Quote: Rus.Tiger
              The focus of the position of the “fifth column” is also quite obvious - to humiliate the Russians and reduce them to a primitive level.
              Therefore, allegations of racial and biological clogging of the Russian people cannot be left without refutation.

              I’ll also add that since I’ve been living I live in such regions where some types (recently getting bigger) have always liked to squeal about their “involvement” in the great Army of the Mongols (more precisely, the Manchu). And about their ancestors "300 years of rotten" Russian. I'm about Tyrtyr-stan.
              Therefore, I learned a hundred or two words to indicate such "descendants of the winners" in their place in history. When the people of Volzhsky BO (U) LGAR, who was no different in everyday life from other neighboring countries, were also occupied by the horde of Genghis Khan, and more specifically by the Tartars who came with the Manchurians from somewhere because of Lake Baikal. Later almost by force they came to Islam for one simple reason that Russian missionary Orthodox priests had been carved by the Chuchmeks before, and the “worshipers of idols” Bulgarians actively mixed with the “steppe invaders” standing in their winter apartments.
              On our shelves of bookstores and in tyrnet there are many reasoned statements by historians and anthropologists on this subject.

              Quote: smile
              In the study of the genotype of the Russian people, not so long ago it turned out that the Mongols did not inherit it in comrades

              Maybe you mean the work of Veniamin Bashlachev from his site, "Alternative Russian demography" -
              http://www.demograf.narod.ru/index.htm

              so I also read, and a lot of interest.
              If not, then take a look - it will be interesting. I am sure. hi
      2. NUT
        NUT 8 July 2013 09: 27 New
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        Quote: Rus.Tiger
        - Dagestan - an increase of 39,5 thousand; - Chechnya - an increase of 27,0 thousand - Ingushetia - an increase of 8,2 thousand - Kabardino-Balkaria - an increase of 8,2 thousand
        “Support in every possible way the gentiles of Asian-Muslim origin, for whom luxury and bliss are ideal. Let their great fecundity exceed and absorb the Slavic element completely over time. Support for the same reasons Armenians and Georgians ...”
        KATEHISIS JEWISH
        1. Rus.tiger
          Rus.tiger 8 July 2013 10: 04 New
          +4
          Greetings, friend Oleg!
          What a "suitable" and "pleasant-sounding in Yom-purim" name for new-hozar laughing wassat
          Quote: NUT
          KATEHISIS JEWISH

          I’m asking you not to remind me of this foshitsiruyu vyser. stop
          . . . I’m regularly banned for this already by IP address what
          Again yesterday I cleaned the system from the "gifts" of admins.

          “Hit one so that others are afraid”
          /Site administrator/
          1. NUT
            NUT 8 July 2013 10: 47 New
            +1
            Quote: Rus.Tiger
            I’m asking you not to remind me of this foshitsiruyu vyser.

            Yeah what
      3. igordok
        igordok 8 July 2013 14: 19 New
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        Quote: Rus.Tiger
        Comparison of deaths and births
        Difference, thousand people / Attitude

        Pskov REDUCTION 5,63 1,8


        The decline in the population of the Pskov region has been since tsarist times. According to statistics.
        1. Alexey K.
          Alexey K. 8 July 2013 22: 25 New
          +1
          Is it 1926 are these tsarist times? These are Soviet times - you need to learn history better. Under Tsar Nicholas II, the population increased by 60 million people over 20 years of rule. Here are the statistics.
          1. Svobodny
            11 July 2013 09: 33 New
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            Quote: Alexey K.
            Here is the statistics

            VOTING FOR THE PROHIBITION OF ABORTION IN RUSSIA
            1. Ivan.
              Ivan. 15 July 2013 15: 43 New
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              Quote: Svobodny
              Quote: Alexey K.
              Here is the statistics

              VOTING FOR THE PROHIBITION OF ABORTION IN RUSSIA [/ leech]

              The link leads to "public services" - any cooperation, starting with authorization through the SNL (digital name of a person) is the approval and legitimization of ФЗ210 and consent to the transfer of state obligations into the field of SERVICES, with subsequent transfer to effective hands.
      4. StolzSS
        StolzSS 8 July 2013 19: 35 New
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        You know here the solution is even simpler than it might seem. It makes no sense to think who to believe everyone lies. Here the eternal question is what to do. The answer is simple to implement a set of incentive measures.
        All privileges to provide families of Slavic nationality. that is, couples whose father or mother is Russian or Belarusians since we have a single state. For other nationalities, to consider the provision of subsidies as unprincipled due to a fairly stable demographic situation ...
        1. Mortgage for 10 years for a 3-room apartment if 1 child, for 20 years if 2, and for 30 years if 3 children with the possibility of re-registration in the process of increasing the family in the direction of decreasing from 7 to 5 percent per annum and increasing the area of ​​housing that fell under the mortgage .
        2. Subsidies for the success of children. For example, a child bungled a boat out of wood, if they were kind enough to credit him a little denyuzhki to study at the university. He won the Russian language olympiad or won the same place there ...
        3. Subsidies for family vacations in Mother Russia (for one tourist logistics we will improve in the country) let museums or national parks and reserves visit children all curious let them broaden their horizons ....
        4. Cumulative subsidies for additional and higher education for children. So that every small achievement of the child in some useful business would be encouraged both by the ruble and by a mark in the personal file so that by the age of 17 a map of the inclinations of a young citizen or citizen would be ready so that this young citizen could feel that the state was behind him and that he could choose a profession that like and which will benefit people.
        5. Cumulative subsidies for teachers and psychologists and educators ... So that every success of the children they care for increases their personal well-being. It is also worth considering a system of rewards for teachers working with orphans and so-called difficult teenagers towards their greater involvement in the adaptation of these children and teenagers who are now unowned in order to integrate these people into our future society as efficiently as possible for the benefit of society.
        6. And of course, help in finding a job for parents if difficulties arise with this ....

        That's something like this ... I understand that the sketch is damp but the direction is right, I'm sure! soldier
        1. Rus.tiger
          Rus.tiger 9 July 2013 01: 04 New
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          Quote: StolzSS
          That's something like this ... I understand that the sketch is damp but the direction is right, I'm sure!

          Oh hoo. . ., Sasha! belay How powerfully pushed !!! good

          Yes your words yes Putin God (apparently, only all hopes for him) in his ears! Even a little enviously became that "my thoughts" wrote "StoltzSS", and not myself. what But this is not very important - it would be said. . .

          In general, StolzSS to reign !!! drinks
          Let's see further. On the rack, if anything, we always have time to drag. . .
          1. MG42
            MG42 9 July 2013 01: 47 New
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            Quote: Rus.Tiger
            In general, StolzSS to reign !!!

            Do you know how StolzSS is translated? Stolz = <pride> or <pride> SS..If you add more lightning ... mom do not grieve ..
            1. Rus.tiger
              Rus.tiger 9 July 2013 04: 34 New
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              Quote: MG42
              Do you know how StolzSS is translated?

              Of course, Sergey. After all, "Bundasovskaya mov" is almost my second language. Sometimes I visit my sister in Rostock in Rostock and speak / understand their language fluently (at the household level).
              And what kind of stronghold "Maschinengewehr 42 (MG-42)" I also know.
              By the way, in the meaning of "pride," the Bundases more often use the word "selbstergtefühl" or "Ehrgefühl".
              But what does this change in the Stolz proposal? Apparently, he respects the GERMAN NATION, and so do I. It’s like good hard workers and warriors who were mixed up with shit by the "unburned" in revenge for the fact that they did not manage to do the same with the Russian weapons with the Russians led by Stalin. Again, in retaliation for the "impediment to the creation of a New-Hazarian in Russia."
              And "SS" is just a symbolism, like forum nicknames - they do not oblige you to anything.

              But the proposals are indeed correct. Do not agree, Sergey?
    2. Apologet.Ru
      Apologet.Ru 8 July 2013 14: 08 New
      +2
      If people are the country's main wealth, then there is a way out against abortion, and it was not invented today, but this requires the will of the state. Namely, that the mother can anonymously leave the unwanted child in the shelter, as described in the novel by V. Pikul “Favorite” and the state will voluntarily assume responsibility for his worthy upbringing. But of course not as they say about some orphanages with their almost criminal orders ...
    3. Truth-lover
      Truth-lover 9 July 2013 12: 08 New
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      Nicholas, how many children do you have in your family?
  2. FC SKIF
    FC SKIF 8 July 2013 07: 09 New
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    We want more children with my wife, and God willing, they will be, but money, salary, work ... Somehow we get out.
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 8 July 2013 08: 40 New
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      Quote: FC Skiff
      We want more children with my wife, and God willing, they will be, but money, salary, work ... Somehow we get out.

      God will help!!
      Since the birth of man, God has already written to him what he will have!
      And abortion is specially promoted!
    2. Mikhail
      Mikhail 8 July 2013 16: 44 New
      +4
      God gave the child - give also on the child. Good luck to you and your wife. You are on the right path.
  3. Fox
    Fox 8 July 2013 07: 37 New
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    where I served, all the girls whose husbands are serving, went on maternity leave after raising the salary. Maybe you don’t have to invent anything, and JUST MAKE ADEQUATE SALES, then the birth rate will increase. By the way, mothers are all under 40, there are few young people.
    1. Flooding
      Flooding 8 July 2013 12: 08 New
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      Quote: Fox
      By the way, mothers are all under 40, few young.

      By the way, this is very bad. This is exactly what many give birth at about forty, when they see that time is running out and will remain lonely old people. And in their youth they want to frolic, frolic. It’s good when they give birth to forty-third or fourth ...
      1. Truth-lover
        Truth-lover 9 July 2013 12: 10 New
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        It’s good when there is someone to provide this 3 4th
  4. Dejavu
    Dejavu 8 July 2013 07: 37 New
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    After giving birth, I don’t remember buying at least something from clothes except for summer T-shirts, underpants and a panama hat. The rest were pulled in tons by grandmothers, aunts, uncles, neighbors and other relatives. Including cribs, strollers, toys, etc. Of course, having children without proper housing and normal work is hard, but those who have both of them are many times more than the first.

    The birth of a child is the assumption of responsibility and the emergence of new responsibilities. However, all this covers the love of a small creature crawling over you in the early morning, trying to wake you up so that you play with it. A completely different meaning of life appears when there are children. I don’t know how to explain this to young mothers who are still children themselves.

    A child in the womb tries to escape from the surgeon's forceps during an abortion. So what is this if not killing a person? It is impossible to ban them completely. However, severe restrictions can be introduced. For the adoption of children, parents must pay the amount that the state spends on the refusal in the orphanage. The amount is decent. Thus, children rescued from abortion and caught in an orphanage would not stay there for a long time.

    At the initial stage, conduct full-scale educational work in schools with children from 12 years of age and older. And both with girls and with boys. And not like now. "Children, fucking without a condom a-zh." And it’s good if at least that way, otherwise it’s not at all. Children know about sex at times more than their elderly teachers, who are still blushing from the very word.

    It is a pity there is very little time left. I’m afraid our fat-assed officials will begin to move in about 10 years, and whether they will.
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 8 July 2013 19: 57 New
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      Quote: dejavu
      Children know about sex at times more than their elderly teachers, who are still blushing from the very word.

      So, after all, during the teleconference the People’s Deputy said with pride to the whole world: "There is no sex in our country!"
  5. My address
    My address 8 July 2013 07: 41 New
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    Well, make unprofitable abortion and favorable birth. Profitable in all respects - moral, material, residential, profit to the enterprise / institution for giving birth to female employees, a guarantee of continuing career / study, ......
    I repeat. I recently read in the Free Press a demonstrative article stating that there are more of us on 10 million. I easily believe that they did not write me down in the census due to the fact that my wife did not find my passport. Just girls wanted to quickly finish the census.
    1. Hon
      Hon 8 July 2013 10: 06 New
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      Quote: My address
      a benefit to the company / institution for the employees who gave birth, a guarantee of continuing career / study, ......

      Such guarantees are spelled out in the labor code, but this does not change the situation.
    2. Setrac
      Setrac 8 July 2013 14: 40 New
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      Quote: My address
      Well, make unprofitable abortion and profitable birth.

      There are three ways:
      The first is the complete abolition of pensions, so that in old age a pensioner is dependent on children, but this is an extreme measure.
      The second is to stop paying pensions without addressing, pensions must be paid targeted from children to parents.
      The third is to introduce a pension coefficient that takes into account the number of children.
      1. baltika-18
        baltika-18 8 July 2013 15: 56 New
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        Quote: Setrac
        There are three ways:

        For the first two paths in the red, for the third path, the plus. In general, negative, because what you offer as the third path can be used as one of the measures in the overall package of measures.
        But I have to repeat myself, as long as we have this economic system in the country, there will be no holistic solution to this problem, because we need to invest in it.
      2. Hon
        Hon 8 July 2013 16: 33 New
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        Quote: Setrac
        The first is the complete abolition of pensions, so that in old age a pensioner is dependent on children, but this is an extreme measure.

        Then contributions to the FIU also need to be canceled, I agree, it is better to save up for retirement.
      3. QWERTY
        QWERTY 8 July 2013 18: 34 New
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        Ah handsome. And if the children died before their parents? Accidents, illnesses, catastrophes, etc.? An old man die of hunger? How barren? By the way, there is male infertility.
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 8 July 2013 19: 10 New
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          Quote: ytsuken
          Oh handsome.

          An ambiguous phrase, I'm married and does not attract me to boys.
          Quote: ytsuken
          Accidents, illnesses, catastrophes, etc.

          And who is to blame? If the drunk died of cirrhosis of the liver, what kind of pension is it for parents? What is the cause of disease? Did the prostitute get infected? It is clear that the law cannot be written in one line. And if a military man died in a hot spot, or a policeman at the post died, it is clear that such issues should be prescribed in the law.
          Quote: ytsuken
          Infertile how? By the way, there is male infertility.

          Where did this infertility come from, as a rule, in most cases, infertility is the result of violent youth, who is to blame? If there are no children, then you need to think about old age in youth. Or there are special pensions for war and labor veterans and liquidators of man-made disasters.
      4. Symbiotos
        Symbiotos 9 July 2013 00: 28 New
        -1
        the thought is not bad, but it is an extreme! After all, there are "Alconauts" who have many children, but will full-fledged people grow out of them? At the same time, there are lonely people who work and “feed” the current pensioners, respectively, and therefore have the right to the same attitude towards themselves. Another question is that when I work and raise my children, I carry a relatively large load and more than myself deny the benefits. At the same time, my children will feed this person in retirement, although he did nothing for them. The coefficient, I think, is definitely needed ...
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 9 July 2013 00: 44 New
          +1
          Quote: Symbiote
          After all, there are "Alconauts" who have many children, but will full-fledged people grow out of them?

          Quote: Symbiote
          At the same time, my children will feed this person in retirement, although he did nothing for them.

          Retirement is divided into three parts.
          One part is the minimum that everyone pays.
          The second is the coefficient on the number of children.
          Third - targeted deductions from children to parents.
  6. Zhuchok
    Zhuchok 8 July 2013 08: 59 New
    +6
    Many thanks to the author of the article!
    The problem is really flashy. It was in Russia for the first time in history that abortion was allowed, this was done by Lenin. It really was an act of struggle against historical Russia and the Russian people. Society needs to recognize this as soon as possible and turn on the self-preservation instinct.
    In the article, as I understand it, we are talking about surgical abortions that can be counted. But recently, the technology of medical and chemical abortions has been actively spreading. Plus, the vast majority of contraceptives are abortive in nature. As a result, we have about 5 million killed babies per year.
    It is necessary as soon as possible at the state level to begin educating people on this topic.
    It must be explained that human life begins from the moment of conception, it is from this moment that a new cell appears with a unique set of features. Consequently, abortion is a murder, but it’s not good to kill people.
    But the most important aspect of this problem is in the spiritual dimension. Until 1917, there were practically no abortions in Russia, and families were large.
    In Soviet times, there was actually a hidden propaganda of abortion.
    The grave spiritual consequences of abortion are known when, in a family that committed this terrible act, children with physical and mental disabilities were subsequently born.
    There were even cases when such problems arose in those families that did not have abortions, but supported and helped their families and friends in this.
    It is urgent to deploy propaganda against abortion at the state level, and to ban this phenomenon as soon as possible. Introduce restrictions on the circulation of drugs that contribute to termination of pregnancy. Close abortion clinics and maternity hospitals.
    But the most important thing: it is necessary in the state media to give the opportunity for a Christian sermon. It is in Christianity, in Orthodoxy, that the doctrine of the value of EVERY human life is contained. There are few children, little faith.
    1. Dimani
      Dimani 8 July 2013 09: 41 New
      +5
      Close abortion clinics and maternity hospitals


      I believe that abortion for medical reasons (in case of a threat to the life of the mother), as well as due to rape, is still necessary.
      There should be no other reasons.
    2. Alekseir162
      Alekseir162 8 July 2013 13: 27 New
      +4
      Quote: Zhuchok
      There are few children, little faith.

      Totally agree.
      I also want to add that free abortions (and they are paid at the expense of taxpayers) I consider savagery. It turns out that the citizens themselves PAY FOR THE KILLING OF THEIR FUTURE CITIZENS.
      1. StolzSS
        StolzSS 8 July 2013 19: 44 New
        +2
        I consider it necessary to clarify. It’s worth paying only according to medical indications to those whom doctors forbid to give birth, as well as all kinds of force majeure situations with rape ... in other cases, let them pay for these procedures themselves .... however, here they need to know precisely and clearly the opinion of obstetrician doctors ...
    3. Mikhail
      Mikhail 8 July 2013 16: 48 New
      0
      Correctly. Unwillingness to have children, "because the conditions do not allow", is the result of a short time.
      And it’s not by chance that the leader of the world proletariat announced religion as an opium for the people.
      1. Hon
        Hon 8 July 2013 17: 14 New
        0
        Quote: Michael
        Correctly. Unwillingness to have children, "because the conditions do not allow", is the result of a short time.
        And it’s not by chance that the leader of the world proletariat announced religion as an opium for the people.

        So the monks generally give a vow of celibacy, that is, for religious reasons they refuse to have a family.
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 8 July 2013 19: 16 New
          0
          Quote: Hon
          So the monks generally give a vow of celibacy, that is, for religious reasons they refuse to have a family.

          Why are you doing this? The message is not clear! Please clarify.
        2. Mikhail
          Mikhail 8 July 2013 19: 47 New
          0
          Speech is not about a monk, but about mіryanaх. Lack of children and homelessness is the result of malovyrіya mіryan.
  7. Old warrant officer
    Old warrant officer 8 July 2013 09: 00 New
    17
    The wife was 38 when we found out that she was pregnant with 4 children. As expected, I went to get registered at the consultation. It would be better not to go! Somehow late poor children frightened the poor with all sorts of horrors, there will be all sorts of complications, you need to lie down for the whole pregnancy to save, etc. nonsense! They made me go through a bunch of paid tests and analyzes, and all this in the regional center for 450 km! We already have 3 children in our family (we are also raising 2 children of my deceased brother), we dreamed about one more! After such appointments with doctors, where she was simply insulted - she decided on an abortion! To drive such doctors with a ban for life to engage in medical activities!
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 8 July 2013 14: 43 New
      0
      Quote: Old Warrant Officer
      Somehow late poor children frightened the poor with all sorts of horrors, there will be all sorts of complications, you need to lie down for the whole pregnancy to save, etc. nonsense!

      Do not be alarmed, they (doctors) need to put more to save, this is an indicator of their work, so they try, they catch up with fear so that they lie down.
    2. Mikhail
      Mikhail 8 July 2013 16: 55 New
      0
      You shouldn’t give a damn about the doctors.
      Understand that before God you committed murder.
      Maybe, still give birth to the fourth?
    3. kavkaz8888
      kavkaz8888 8 July 2013 17: 08 New
      +7
      My wife also registered for about a month. And away we go. Tests, load for age (35 years), etc. It all ended up that I talked with doctors in raised tones and took my wife to give birth to Krasnodar. I gave birth to a healthy daughter, everything is normal. (I have this fourth child)
      Z.Y. Communicating with female doctors, the thought of their PERSONAL interest in abortion is persistently circling in my head.
  8. Fibrizio
    Fibrizio 8 July 2013 09: 12 New
    +8
    Quote: My address
    Well, make unprofitable abortion and favorable birth. Profitable in all respects - moral, material, residential, profit to the enterprise / institution for giving birth to female employees, a guarantee of continuing career / study, ......
    I repeat. I recently read in the Free Press a demonstrative article stating that there are more of us on 10 million. I easily believe that they did not write me down in the census due to the fact that my wife did not find my passport. Just girls wanted to quickly finish the census.

    I would love to hear how you will explain all this to a 16-year-old schoolgirl and her parents. How will she receive maternity capital for her second child, and about the benefits .....
    No, I’m not saying that it’s good, but in my opinion women who use drugs should not give birth at all. After all, the risk is above 90% to give birth to a VERY sick child is an intended contraindication. We have full of orphanages. And by the way, statistics on how these very children are joining social services. Wednesday is extremely deplorable. And this is not even sick children. Why replenish children. at home, and then at a nursing home (who did not know sick children from children’s homes I send them to exist in hellish conditions)
    I consider it forbidden to forbid at all. Second, of course, we need to improve the atmosphere in society. But this is more a moral question than a material one (I'm from Moscow, I'm talking about a big city. In other regions, I willingly believe that there may be nothing to feed, I admit).
    The question is complex. Until it touches you, everything is clear and simple. But if you start looking at particulars, it becomes clear that sometimes this is the only way out.
    In general, I would suggest enlightening work in high schools and universities as an option to reduce the number of revolutions. Indeed, very often an unwanted pregnancy is the result of stupidity and ignorance. We have a lot of errors walking around among the people. Use all the barrier means, I think the number of abortions has decreased by half.
    And by the way, I will never believe that a sane person will be against abortion in case of rape.
    Somewhere it may not be structurally, but I conveyed my thought, I admit criticism in my address. But I think that chopping off your shoulder is also stupid. Moderation is needed. At least in this matter.
    1. agbykov
      agbykov 8 July 2013 10: 36 New
      +4
      If you take abortion as killing a person, then all your arguments are unconvincing.
    2. QWERTY
      QWERTY 8 July 2013 18: 43 New
      +1
      Given the above, you are the only adequate person. And these topics are about to ban, condemn, put in a row. To give birth or not is up to the pregnant lady, not the powers that be. To prohibit abortions - well, they will throw them into the orphanage or throw them in the trash. And right away all sorts of midwives will appear - illegal abortion specialists. I am happy for large children, but I don’t have to judge everyone by myself. , a lot and carefully.
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 8 July 2013 19: 26 New
        +1
        Quote: ytsuken
        Prohibit abortion - well, they will throw it into the orphanage or throw it in the trash. And immediately there will be all sorts of midwives - illegal abortion specialists. I am happy for large children, but I do not need to judge everyone by myself. I have a lot, then everyone is obliged. ?

        You just don’t realize how it all ends. There will be fewer and fewer Russians, we will lose territory, influence in the world, become poorer and in a hundred years, the last Russians defending Moscow in their last hopeless battle will curse you with such an oath that if there is no god, then he will appear only to fulfill this oath .
  9. shurup
    shurup 8 July 2013 09: 12 New
    +2
    Introduce excise taxes on all types of abortions. Let the tax deal with the clandestine. All proceeds should be used for the additional payment of children's allowances.
    If you do not want to feed and raise your children, help others.
    I do not like? Suitcase, train station - in the "free" countries.
  10. igor_ua
    igor_ua 8 July 2013 09: 12 New
    +4
    Yes, not abortion as such a threat, but the socio-economic situation in the country, contributing to and forcing them to do! But they are not able to correct it, therefore they go by a simple method - they forbid the investigation. Abortion is an inalienable right of a woman! In countries where these are prohibited, women still leave for other countries to do them.
    1. Zhuchok
      Zhuchok 8 July 2013 09: 24 New
      +6
      What do you think was the socio-economic situation in the zone of the Chechen conflict?
      There were refugee camps in which Chechen women gave birth to children in tents.
      And in Muslim countries, is the social and economic situation excellent everywhere?
      And in Africa?
      This problem has a material aspect, but it is not the main one.
      Methods must be acted upon by all - and prohibit, and stimulate, and so on.
      All women will not be able to leave abortions abroad, it is somehow beyond common sense.
      It must be explained that children are happiness, and the realization of killing their own child will haunt a woman and a man for the rest of their lives.
      1. igor_ua
        igor_ua 8 July 2013 11: 17 New
        +2
        You do not navigate the situation and gave specific examples from the "ceiling" purely speculative. In Africa, Muslims. Abortion is either prohibited in countries (except Tunisia), or there is no one to do it because of the extremely low availability of medical care. It’s easier to give birth than to look for a doctor. And the main thing, of course, is the mentality. For example, in Africa, a brood of poor half-starving hungry people is a normal situation and does not bother anyone. As for Chechnya, although officially they are not prohibited there, in fact, traditions dictate their own laws.

        Nobody has the right to ban!
    2. NUT
      NUT 8 July 2013 09: 36 New
      +9
      Quote: igor_ua
      because they go by a simple method
      "... we will have no traces. To reduce childbearing by at least half is to annihilate 2-3 million Russians in a year without any physical expenses. No furnaces, cartridges, graves. And no traces. Not born. And no one to blame .. . "
      Minakhen Mendel Schneerson; prominent Jewish figure; awarded the highest award of the United States - Congressional Gold Medal.
      1. igor_ua
        igor_ua 8 July 2013 11: 19 New
        +1
        Abortion is just one way to reduce childbirth. And he is a secondary method, a consequence, not the main one.
    3. Setrac
      Setrac 8 July 2013 14: 46 New
      0
      Quote: igor_ua
      and the socio-economic situation in the country, contributing and forcing them to do!

      It is precisely in order to rectify this very situation that it is necessary to give birth to children, so that it is difficult for anyone to work. And then they do not give birth to children, and pensions will be demanded regularly.
  11. smart ass
    smart ass 8 July 2013 09: 19 New
    +4
    I have always been against abortion. Nothing is different from killing a person.
  12. NUT
    NUT 8 July 2013 09: 41 New
    +1
    “If the Empire accepts my program, Russia will be able to exist and develop independently, regardless of the whole world, for four and a half centuries. At the same time, every twenty years the population will double, and to all Russia will be a native country. ”
    Petr Arkadyevich Stolypin

    Stolypin’s program turned Russia into a system of superiority and would allow the Russian Empire to develop rapidly. Therefore, two fraternal systems pitted: the peoples of Germany and Russia. Bleed, and the last Empire collapsed.
    We can see from Stolypin’s plan that in 1910 we had 150 million people, and in China - 100 million. If the Stolypin program was implemented, then in 1930 we should have been 300 million, that would be. In China - 200 million
    In 1950 - 600 million. In China - 400 million.
    In 1970 - 1,2 billion. In China - 800 million.
    In 1990 - 2,4 billion. In China - 1,6 billion.
    What Stolypin suggested automatically spread to the neighboring state, and they implemented this program. They always came and adopted our experience. The Chinese fit into this schedule. We now have 100 million, which means that 2,5 billion Russian people are destroyed.
    Mortality in a given period of time exceeds the birth rate according to some data by 1 million, according to others - by 2 million people. We should be within three billion people.
    You can take a map of China, where 1 billion people live. They live on the outskirts, near the ocean, and the rest is mountains. 1 billion people live in a small area.
    If these areas are superimposed on a map of Russia, it turns out that about 100 billion people can live in Russia. Russia will feed itself, and others, because Slavs always lived in harmony with other peoples. All this is in the order of things. If this is possible in China, why is it impossible with us?
    During the reign of Lenin and his Jewish associates, in Russia, as of November 16, 1924, 30 million Slavs were destroyed. In the Second World War - 55 million people, mostly Russians. Having comprehended these figures, we can say that world history did not know such a genocide.
    But there are consequences of genocide. The best people were destroyed, both physically and morally, especially in the genetic. Wars picked up young ones who could give healthy offspring. This is on the one hand.
    On the other hand, in Russian cities and villages there is an increasing number of people of non-Russian nationality. Entire streets and villages of gypsies, Turks, Kurds, Vietnamese, Chinese, Koreans, etc. appear.
    The criminal community in Russia clearly has a face of Caucasian-Jewish nationality. It is in Russia they are Armenians, Georgians, Azerbaijanis, etc., in America they immediately become Jews.
    http://as-kjkjk.ucoz.ru/news/agressija_tjomnykh_sil_protiv_rodov_rasy_velikoj/20
    11-05-25-224
    1. anip
      anip 8 July 2013 10: 24 New
      +3
      Firstly, do not compare the Chinese mentality with the Russian. The Russian mentality is nevertheless closer to Europe. How is it with demography? Fertility statistics under Stolypin cannot be projected into the future, because times are changing, and the situation is changing.

      Secondly:
      Quote: NUT
      in Russia, as of November 16, 1924, 30 million Slavs were destroyed. In the Second World War - 55 million people, mostly Russians.

      - Rezun and Solzhenitsyn have read?

      Quote: NUT
      During the reign of Lenin

      If it weren’t for Lenin and the Bolsheviks, the majority of the common people with three classes of Centralized Labor School would have been sitting in ruins, hunching for pennies 10-12-14 hours for a gentleman or a bourgeois. Such a thought never arose: if the common people lived well, would the Bolsheviks win?
      And yet, regarding the life of commoners, read the classics of Russian literature, for example, Tolstoy, Dostoevsky, Gogol, Chekhov, Pomyalovsky, Gorky and many others. And pay attention to the description of the life of ordinary people. They had a “good” life.
      1. NUT
        NUT 8 July 2013 11: 24 New
        +2
        Mintness has nothing to do with it, because for the reproduction of everyone and everything, including humans, the necessary conditions
        Quote: anip
        If it weren’t for Lenin and the Bolsheviks, the majority of the common people would have sat with the three classes of Centralized Labor School in ruins
        For your information under Nicholas II "Bloody" as you deign to call him, in a year, 10000 schools were opened
        Quote: anip
        if the common people lived well, would the Bolsheviks win
        And when Gaddafi people lived badly?
        Quote: anip
        And pay attention to the description of the life of ordinary people
        Take a ride for ... twenty kilometers from the city to the nearest county town or provincial village, and look at the lives of ordinary people and how those classics would describe these things (if they could) ...
        1. Flooding
          Flooding 8 July 2013 12: 12 New
          0
          Quote: NUT
          And when Gaddafi people lived badly?

          Unconvincing. A completely different era, the era of "humane" capitalism.
          And it became just under the tremendous pressure of socialism.
          Have you ever wondered if the USSR had not been - what would life be like in the USA?
          1. NUT
            NUT 8 July 2013 15: 45 New
            +2
            Quote: Flood
            Have you ever wondered if the USSR had not been - what would life be like in the USA?
            There is no need for a rich imagination. It is enough that the reform, killed by Stolypin's walruses, has been accomplished;
            Nicholas II, executed by those with whom we do not drink, implemented his undertakings;
            The nationalities didn’t live in their native Pale of Settlement and did not crap all over the Russian Land;
            Tsar Grad Constantinople and all the straits became ours;
            The United States would not have received from the creators of the USSR many hundreds or even thousands of tons of tsarist gold and plowed up in its crises with defaults;
            The dollar would remain a simple piece of paper, and the Ruble - the RUBLE and a penny it would still bargle;
            All Russian would be worth its weight in gold, and as before sold for pure gold;
            And if this gold was pure, it would go to the Russian treasury, for the benefit and prosperity of our Mother Russia, and not the vile and insatiable United States ...
            1. Flooding
              Flooding 9 July 2013 10: 27 New
              0
              Quote: NUT
              The United States would not have received from the creators of the USSR many hundreds or even thousands of tons of tsarist gold and plowed up in its crises with defaults;

              Well ... from tsarist Russia, they also raped a lot of gold. True, they had to work hard to lather it in Alaska.
        2. Drosselmeyer
          Drosselmeyer 8 July 2013 13: 37 New
          +2
          SW NUT, give better statistics on child mortality under Stolypin and with the so-called the Jewish Bolsheviks. And where do you get these numbers: 30 million, 55 million? And why didn’t the Koreans please you? Quite working, adequate people who are completely Russified. In my opinion, they only have Korean features and surnames.
  13. Balalaikin
    Balalaikin 8 July 2013 09: 45 New
    +3
    Moms give all your children life! - Viktor Suvorov - when photographs speak better than words ...
    http://www.k-istine.ru/aborts/abort_and_birth.htm
  14. Muxauk
    Muxauk 8 July 2013 10: 00 New
    0
    an abortion tax must be introduced under 30 and the situation will begin to change, and clandestine clinics are hard
  15. Hon
    Hon 8 July 2013 10: 13 New
    +2
    Quote: nikolas 83
    You won’t wait. Europe and the USA will die out faster. There were given no room for piderasts and no one will reproduce. It’s good that family values ​​are preserved in our country.

    If it feels like I think that not everything is as scary as described in the article, a lot (almost all) of my peers have already given birth. However, already half of my peers managed to get a divorce, and I am only 27, what family values ​​are we talking about? As for Europe, for some reason their abortions are less common, and the demographic situation is better than ours. There are no more pediks there than by the way.
    1. Ivga_lis
      Ivga_lis 8 July 2013 12: 51 New
      +2
      Because late marriages (after 25) are common in Europe, when both spouses are financially and psychologically successful people, often living together for some time.
      In our country, most of the divorces occur in families who married after school, and then decided that they "did not agree on the characters," "tired," "they want a different life."
      I personally observed this picture - most of my classmates got married and gave birth at 19-21. At the same time, university acquaintances did this already in 24-25. Actually, these are two main peaks when people get married, and in the first case there are a lot of chances that everything will end in divorce
  16. baltika-18
    baltika-18 8 July 2013 10: 35 New
    +8
    I read the article and comments.
    I can say the following, by banning abortion and campaigning you can’t help.
    In order to resolve this issue, it is necessary to create economically attractive conditions for increasing the birth rate. What kind of conditions everyone knows perfectly well: work, housing, kindergarten, school education are truly free of charge, introduce a childless tax from 23 years old, and severe.
    Now, when the state really deals with this problem, then there will be shifts.
    But this will not happen under the current system. The current economic system is designed in such a way that investing in its citizens is not profitable, it is beneficial to bring several million migrants into the country and there are no problems.
    Hello to Putin & K Corporation.
    1. Furnace driver
      Furnace driver 8 July 2013 14: 26 New
      +1
      nevertheless, there is a place for upbringing, Muscovites will have abortions in their youth, then they go crazy, as if to get a child - at best, at worst, they generally have a drum.
      1. baltika-18
        baltika-18 8 July 2013 16: 01 New
        0
        Quote: Oven Driver
        nevertheless, there is a place for upbringing

        Of course, the problem of demography must be addressed in a comprehensive manner, the prohibition of abortion and the payment of maternity capital alone cannot solve the problem.
  17. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 8 July 2013 10: 35 New
    +3
    Minus article why? everything is simple, any problem cannot be solved by prohibitions. If there is a problem, then it is caused by some reasons, and in this case, the reason is not in legalization and accessibility, but in the very structure of society. here there is a little higher article about family values, here where everything comes from, there is no family as such. Well, there will be no abortion, there will simply be more contraceptives, so what?
    1. Flooding
      Flooding 8 July 2013 12: 16 New
      +1
      Quote: vladsolo56
      Minus article why? everything is simple, it is impossible to solve any problem by prohibitions.

      Minus to you, dear. Why? Because the article says nothing about prohibitions.
      The problem is highlighted and some solutions are outlined.
      Among the measures aimed at correcting the situation is the creation of a Family and Children Support Fund, which will pay family benefits, matkapital, finance child care services for children under 3 years old and provide families with other support, including assistance in purchasing and renting housing.
      1. vladsolo56
        vladsolo56 8 July 2013 12: 25 New
        +1
        This is precisely the problem that has been highlighted; one would think that man discovered America, then what? and I did not find any solutions in the article, at least serious ones.
  18. Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya 8 July 2013 10: 47 New
    +2
    This is not a purely female issue, but a purely national one, but children shouldn’t vortex like weeds, so it should be a national policy, a carrot and stick policy, both people should be encouraged and punished so that children in moral freak families would not be born (alcohol, drugs).
  19. Fibrizio
    Fibrizio 8 July 2013 10: 49 New
    +5
    Well, to fight abortion by prohibiting or increasing the cost, this is the same as treating an alcoholic for alcoholism by banning the sale of alcohol after 11.
  20. Fibrizio
    Fibrizio 8 July 2013 10: 51 New
    +3
    Quote: Prapor Afonya
    This is not a purely female issue, but a purely national one, but children shouldn’t vortex like weeds, so it should be a national policy, a carrot and stick policy, both people should be encouraged and punished so that children in moral freak families would not be born (alcohol, drugs).


    Have you heard about Eugenics? In one country, alcoholics were forcibly castrated at one time. We thought in short about the future of the nation;) Guess where?
  21. Tatanka Yotanka
    Tatanka Yotanka 8 July 2013 11: 28 New
    -3
    Yes, abortion is not good, but what about the official sterilization program with us?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UX11BLSADCo
  22. papss
    papss 8 July 2013 12: 06 New
    +1
    Quote: vladsolo56
    Minus article why? everything is simple, any problem cannot be solved by prohibitions. If there is a problem, then it is caused by some reasons, and in this case, the reason is not in legalization and accessibility, but in the very structure of society. here there is a little higher article about family values, here where everything comes from, there is no family as such. Well, there will be no abortion, there will simply be more contraceptives, so what?

    I absolutely support ... "+", as I agree that the state, with the deterioration of the situation in the demographic plan, may go on to ban abortion. It’s not ready for this now, BUT PREPARATION IS LEADED ... there is no social policy in the country, but family supervision is increasing every year ... Reminds Chubais’s sayings - “What do you worry about these people? Well, they will die out thirty million. They don’t fit into the market. Do not think about it - new ones will grow "... In our case, the state sees itself as the" controller "of the new family, and whoever else ... does not fit into its new look ... Only while the new ones do not grow and do not grow ...
  23. Danilka
    Danilka 8 July 2013 12: 19 New
    +2
    Quote: Prapor Afonya
    This is not a purely female issue, but a purely national one, but children shouldn’t vortex like weeds, so it should be a national policy, a carrot and stick policy, both people should be encouraged and punished so that children in moral freak families would not be born (alcohol, drugs).

    That's about what to do with poor orphans and REFUSERS. crying
  24. radio operator
    radio operator 8 July 2013 12: 24 New
    +4
    Don't write about it, you need to shout about it!
    And we are stealthily, from around the corner, whispering, trying to pay attention to this catastrophe !!!
    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2013/281/mtcw610.jpg
    1. Hon
      Hon 8 July 2013 12: 42 New
      +3
      In the photo, the fetus is week 22, at such times, an abortion is done for medical reasons, you can’t give birth code, or it is a miscarriage. If a woman does not want to give birth, then what's the point of her going pregnant until the deadlines? Usually abortion is 4-6 weeks.
      1. Slav
        Slav 21 July 2013 10: 36 New
        0
        The point is not what week the abortion was made, but the fact of abortion itself, which is unacceptable.
    2. theadenter
      theadenter 8 July 2013 12: 43 New
      +3
      Are abortions allowed at such a late date, as in the picture?
      1. Hon
        Hon 8 July 2013 13: 00 New
        0
        If there is a danger to the life of the mother, for example, they can do it later, it is called artificial birth, after 28 weeks there is a chance that the child will survive, very rarely, but it happens
        1. theadenter
          theadenter 8 July 2013 13: 03 New
          +1
          This is an unplanned abortion already. There is no longer much choice.
  25. theadenter
    theadenter 8 July 2013 12: 40 New
    +4
    Teenagers who grew up on youth comedies, on the promotion of consumption, at the early start of having sex - they have developed a reaction to the above - that is right and cool.
    Pregnancy for such people sounds like a sentence. They immediately recall scary stories about how the body and appearance are disfigured, what complications it brings, what a hassle to keep track of children, and in the end - goodbye to discos, festivals, bars and cafes - stay at home, but wipe the snot forever yelling to the child.
    From all this, such a generation is naturally horrified and runs to have an abortion.
    To solve such problems, it is necessary to revise the information provided to the population, and correctly, not intrusively promote family values.
  26. Ivga_lis
    Ivga_lis 8 July 2013 12: 42 New
    +4
    The issue of abortion is a complex and controversial one. And, as the author of the article correctly noted, the responsibility here should be not only on the woman, but also on the man.
    Of course, it’s good to shout from the outside that “this is a murder!” "ban!" etc. Just think about the consequences - if you prohibit abortion (even if you leave it only for "medical reasons" and "rape victims"), they will still be doing it, but this is illegal, and this is a much greater risk to a woman’s health. Another thing is that it is necessary to explain to the woman the possible consequences of abortion as best as possible, to give her time to think. After all, many factors play a role here (age, family)
    1. polly
      polly 8 July 2013 14: 57 New
      +2
      Kira, I think your comment is the most balanced and reasonable, because men who are well versed in tanks and planes, in this delicate matter, in vain cut the shoulder!
      1. Ivga_lis
        Ivga_lis 8 July 2013 17: 15 New
        -1
        Pauline, thank you smile Just some of the statements are a bit surprising. It seems that their authors perceive a woman not as a person, but as a kind of bio-incubator with legs
        1. Truth-lover
          Truth-lover 9 July 2013 12: 12 New
          -1
          A bioincubator is still normal. There may also be educated people, but you will reach the masses. There, most of you want to see you no more than a trouble-free crush
          1. Ivga_lis
            Ivga_lis 9 July 2013 12: 21 New
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            Quote: True-Amorous
            but you will reach the masses. There, most of you want to see you no more than a trouble-free crush

            How interesting you are to the "masses." That is, the "mass", or the people around it, see the woman as a fail-safe crush? So you, walking along the street and seeing a woman walking towards a meeting, only think about what she would give you (if we are talking about the mass that we are related to). Are you also treating the woman next to you as a crush? Curious what environment you live in?
          2. Ivga_lis
            Ivga_lis 9 July 2013 12: 44 New
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            PSTruth-lover, if you further follow your logic, it turns out that the "mass" of men is not interested in anything other than sex in a relationship with a woman. Then what kind of objection of the nation, the cult of family values ​​are we talking about? And, in this case, is it worth it to condemn women who have abortions, if, again, they are perceived as a “crush”?
            1. Ivga_lis
              Ivga_lis 9 July 2013 14: 51 New
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              Truth-loverI apologize, I did not see that you are a lady, so the arguments in the first answer are not entirely valid.
              Let's just say that you should not separate yourself or your friends from the masses - it smacks of some snobbery. I don’t argue, the attitude you indicated towards the woman is met, but it is often caused by the behavior style of the woman herself
              1. Ivga_lis
                Ivga_lis 9 July 2013 22: 08 New
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                It’s not clear to me otherwise how commentators can consider themselves patriots if, in fact, they propose, roughly speaking, to force a woman to give birth, stimulating it by abolishing pensions or by universal appeal, and those who have an abortion or do not give birth are raised to the rank of sh * x and drug addict.
    2. Setrac
      Setrac 8 July 2013 15: 38 New
      +1
      Quote: Ivga_Lis
      they will be made anyway, but already illegally, and this is a much greater risk to a woman’s health.

      Fools will become sterile and die out, normal women will give birth to girls and bring up expectant mothers. This is called natural selection. Asians in Russia give birth and domestic troubles do not bother them, and if the Russians do not begin to give birth, then over time they will become a minority, and this is also natural selection.
      1. Ivga_lis
        Ivga_lis 8 July 2013 17: 08 New
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        Setracand you do not consider a situation when a fool "flew" drunk, but gave birth, and gave birth to a sick child. And then she safely shoved him into the orphanage. Or she even gave birth to a healthy one, but she shoved it all the same, because she does not want to be a mother. Again, the child is in the "care" of the state - the orphanage. Does he have a great chance of normal development and subsequent social adaptation (provided that we have enough for every children's home).
        Or another option - a 13-14-year-old schoolgirl “flew”. Here the condemnation of society (teachers, friends), the unlikely support of the family or father of the child. Of course, you can leave home and live in a dormitory, but in what conditions she will live and raise this child, despite the fact that she is unlikely to have grown her brain.
        There are many examples and options and each is individual. And to say that only fools do abortions ... it's like in that joke about the milkmaid, the chairman’s wife and “on average”.
        From your position it turns out that the woman is a sow. She must and must give birth. And as for natural selection - with the same logic, you can sterilize alcoholics and schizophrenics and introduce euthanasia for people with Down's disease, cerebral palsy, etc. diseases that are often inherited.
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 8 July 2013 19: 58 New
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          Quote: Ivga_Lis
          Setrac, and you do not consider a situation when a fool "flew" drunk, but gave birth, and gave birth to a sick child.

          And who is to blame? I poured her beer and spread my legs? You are the one to blame.
          The question is solved in an easy way - she refused the child - to deprive her of all privileges on the female part, in the army for military service and treat her like a man, let him pull the strap, not this woman.
          I had an abortion - for the first time, five years conditionally, so that it would be disgraceful, well, to punish doctors.
          Quote: Ivga_Lis
          From your position it turns out that the woman is a sow. She must and must give birth.

          Dear Kira, your parents gave birth to you, but they were not obliged, go and drown in a pond, the fact of your existence is not necessary. So you deprive your children of unborn right to life. And what will happen if all women refuse to give birth? Will the last person die in 80 years? In old age, pensioners are provided with pensions by children of those who gave birth, who did not give birth, receive a “free” pension, which is extremely unfair!
          Quote: Ivga_Lis
          And to say that only fools do abortions ...

          Flies over stupidity, and abortions do because "bad people."
          Quote: Ivga_Lis
          And as for natural selection - with the same logic, you can sterilize alcoholics and schizophrenics and introduce euthanasia for people with Down's disease, cerebral palsy, etc. diseases

          There is no need to kill, some (few) can be corrected, but it is necessary to deprive the possibility of having children.
          1. Ivga_lis
            Ivga_lis 9 July 2013 10: 59 New
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            Quote: Setrac
            The question is solved in an easy way - she refused the child - to deprive her of all privileges on the female part, in the army for military service and treat her like a man, let him pull the strap, not this woman.

            Are you definitely not Milonov? :) It hurts the style of thought is similar. I look forward to the next step when you propose to deprive women of their right to higher education - so that, therefore, Kinder-Kirche-Kuche.
            Quote: Setrac
            Dear Kira, your parents gave birth to you, but they were not obliged, go and drown in a pond, the fact of your existence is not necessary. So you deprive your children of unborn right to life.

            A curious transition to personality. An appeal to gender, age, nationality - generally an excellent technique in discussion - helps to defend one’s point of view, because then the interlocutor obviously appears to be a fool. You should not project the examples I have given to my life and my attitude towards the birth of children. I’m not a rabid feminist or a childfree - I’m just trying to explain to you that people have different situations. And to force a woman to have children means to deliberately put her, as a person, at a lower level. Again, according to your logic, we should take an example from radical Muslims, when a woman exists only in order to continue the clan and to please her husband :) You do not wonder what will happen to such children whom the mother gave birth to under compulsion? Who will bring them up and how and what kind of people they will grow up if they have such a striking negative example of a family?
            Quote: Setrac
            And what will happen if all women refuse to give birth?

            Talk nonsense. Women gave birth and will give birth, because for them (us) motherhood is happiness. But there are those who, for various reasons, did not give birth when there was an opportunity. Well, what do you order, do not count such women as people?
            Quote: Setrac
            In old age, pensioners are provided with pensions by children of those who gave birth, who did not give birth, receive a “free” pension, which is extremely unfair!

            That is, if a person worked honestly all his life (and provided the life of the previous generation with his taxes), but for some reason did not have children, after retirement he does not have the right to live? Did it work for scrap?
            Quote: Setrac
            There is no need to kill, some (few) can be corrected, but it is necessary to deprive the possibility of having children.

            And if these people want to live, love, and have children? You contradict yourself - first you say that having children is a duty and a duty, and then you claim that some people should be deprived of this right
            1. Setrac
              Setrac 9 July 2013 16: 07 New
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              Quote: Ivga_Lis
              That is, if a person worked honestly all his life (and provided the life of the previous generation with his taxes), but for some reason did not have children, after retirement he does not have the right to live? Did it work for scrap?

              He provided life with his taxes now, when he retires, he will be provided by the children of those who gave birth, and if he has no children, then no one will be, and the pension will be undeserved.
              1. Ivga_lis
                Ivga_lis 9 July 2013 18: 29 New
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                Quote: Setrac
                and the pension will be undeserved.

                That is, I repeat, if before that he worked honestly, then, having retired, has no right to a decent life (pensions, medical care), just because he did not have children? What do you want to do with such people?
                1. Setrac
                  Setrac 9 July 2013 18: 49 New
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                  Quote: Ivga_Lis
                  What do you want to do with such people?

                  This is not the right question, to get the right answers you need to ask the right questions. And the right question is how to survive the Russian nation and the state of Russia.
                  Quote: Ivga_Lis
                  That is, I repeat, if before that he worked honestly, then, having retired, has no right to a decent life (pensions, medical care), just because he did not have children?

                  Roughly speaking, yes, no children — let him die in poverty.
                  You see, the state, collecting taxes, does not invest in production, so that later it will pay interest to the pensioner, it does not save money in the bank, so that then it will pay to the pensioner. The state simply takes money from workers and gives it to pensioners. And when we become pensioners, the state will take money from our children and impersonally distribute it among pensioners. Thus, no one earns his labor for old age; for old age they earn by giving birth and raising children
                  1. Ivga_lis
                    Ivga_lis 9 July 2013 19: 50 New
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                    Quote: Setrac
                    This is not the right question, to get the right answers you need to ask the right questions.

                    Are we discussing or passing exams to say which question is correct and which is not?
                    Quote: Setrac
                    And the right question is how to survive the Russian nation and the state of Russia.

                    Returning to the "correctness" of the questions - do we want Russia to become a strong state with a high standard of living, or do we want to have a lot of healthy workforce? In the first case, problems must be solved, in the second, it is enough to prohibit abortion and the sale of condoms. Well, "lower" the cultural level of people to the level of migrant workers from Asian countries
                  2. Ivga_lis
                    Ivga_lis 9 July 2013 20: 13 New
                    0
                    Quote: Setrac
                    Roughly speaking, yes, no children — let him die in poverty.

                    An interesting solution. That is, the right to exist (normal life) of a person you determine by the fact that he has children or not? It turns out that a person who has worked all his life is not worthy of respect and generally a normal life in retirement, just because he has no children? And what about, say, disabled people who have no children and live on state benefits? Same of them being scrapped?
                    1. Setrac
                      Setrac 9 July 2013 20: 59 New
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                      Quote: Ivga_Lis
                      An interesting solution. That is, the right to exist (normal life) of a person you determine by the fact that he has children or not?

                      I do not deprive anyone of the right to live, let them live, exist, etc. I speak of the fact that the state is not obligated to provide for children without age.
                      Quote: Ivga_Lis
                      And what about, say, disabled people who have no children and live on state benefits?

                      No need to juggle, people with disabilities receive disability benefits.
                      Quote: Ivga_Lis
                      It turns out that a person who has worked all his life is not worthy of respect and generally a normal life in retirement, just because he has no children?

                      He worked to provide for his parents, who gave him life and kept until adulthood, if he did not raise his children, then there is no one to take care of him, HE DOESN'T WATCH RESPECT, and did not deserve a pension.
                      1. Ivga_lis
                        Ivga_lis 9 July 2013 21: 44 New
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                        Quote: Setrac
                        I say that the state is not obliged to provide childless children in old age.

                        So such people, too, often are childless. Therefore, it is necessary to limit - they voluntarily refused, and not for medical reasons (although, knowing how everything is being done, medical reasons will be very difficult to prove)
                        Quote: Setrac
                        No need to juggle, people with disabilities receive disability benefits.

                        Yes, but out of the money that workers now pay to the state in the form of taxes.
                        Quote: Setrac
                        He labored to provide for his parents, who gave him life and kept him until adulthood

                        Yeah, and even people with disabilities, state employees, convicts - taxes are not just for paying pensions.
            2. Setrac
              Setrac 9 July 2013 16: 17 New
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              Quote: Ivga_Lis
              Are you definitely not Milonov? :) It hurts the style of thought is similar.

              Quote: Ivga_Lis
              I'm not a rabid feminist and not a childfree

              Notice, I didn’t write anything like that about you, they themselves thought up, and about me too.
              Quote: Ivga_Lis
              And to force a woman to have children means to deliberately put her, as a person, at a lower level.

              Yes, no one forces her, even if she doesn’t fly over, an unwanted pregnancy is a consequence of a low sex culture. And killing a child in the womb is not an option.
              Quote: Ivga_Lis
              Talk nonsense. Women gave birth and will give birth, because for them (us) motherhood is happiness.

              Why is the number of Russians decreasing?
              Quote: Ivga_Lis
              But there are those who, for various reasons, did not give birth when there was an opportunity.

              I would like to know what these reasons are? Alcohol? Drugs? A promiscuous sex life? Or just selfishness and selfishness!
              Quote: Ivga_Lis
              Well, what do you order, do not count such women as people?

              Well, where do you get from them, these are people, but not women. It is not enough to give birth, it is necessary to bring up. Those who cannot give birth due to reasons beyond their control, those who are not guilty of their infertility, can adopt children from the orphanage.
              1. Ivga_lis
                Ivga_lis 9 July 2013 17: 29 New
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                Quote: Setrac
                Yes, no one forces her, even if she doesn’t fly over, an unwanted pregnancy is a consequence of a low sex culture.

                So how to deal with it? Prohibit a woman from having sex if he does not serve to procreate (since there are various reasons for “flying”)? Or, nevertheless, to increase morality, to propagate the cult of the family, so that the attitude to pregnancy would be just like the conception of a child, a person, and not like a "flight".
                Quote: Setrac
                Why is the number of Russians decreasing?

                I am not a sociologist to say for sure. There are many reasons - early mortality, alcoholism, drug addiction. Again, the destruction of the institution of family and marriage. Nevertheless, I see many women around me who give birth - at 20-24 of the first, at 30-35 of the second.
                Quote: Setrac
                Or just selfishness and selfishness!

                Maybe. And perhaps a passion for career and work - it also happens that a woman is aimed at success and career, and the creation of a family puts off or simply does not feel the need for marriage and children. It happens that it delves too long. It happens that due to external data does not cause interest in the opposite sex. I repeat, there are different cases. And rowing everyone who does not give birth at 18 under one comb, to put it mildly, is stupid.
                Quote: Setrac
                Well, where do you get from them, these are people, but not women. It is not enough to give birth, it is necessary to bring up.

                The fact of the matter is that it is necessary to educate, to ensure the possibility of a normal life, education. And it’s difficult for a woman to make money and raise a child at the same time (personally, I don’t know families who are married, but don’t have children, because the woman just doesn’t want; but I know two single mothers)
        2. Setrac
          Setrac 8 July 2013 20: 05 New
          -2
          Quote: Ivga_Lis
          She must and must give birth.

          And yet, God gave each person the opportunity to love and be loved, and as a result - the obligation to give birth to children. If you do not want to give birth to children, then forget about sex, in all its forms, up to self-satisfaction.
          YES, a woman is obliged to give birth, just as a man is obliged to defend his country.
          1. Ivga_lis
            Ivga_lis 9 July 2013 11: 07 New
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            Quote: Setrac
            If you do not want to give birth to children, then forget about sex, in all its forms, up to self-satisfaction.

            What a charm :) Again, the transition to personality ... Well, where did you see that I did not want to give birth to children?
            Quote: Setrac
            YES, a woman is obliged to give birth, just as a man is obliged to defend his country.

            Every man is a soldier. Every woman is a soldier’s mother (s). You decide, in your understanding, the family and the birth of children - is it happiness and by mutual consent of a man and woman, or an obligation? If the second option - read at your leisure "We" Zamyatin
            1. Setrac
              Setrac 9 July 2013 16: 04 New
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              Quote: Ivga_Lis
              What a charm :) Again, the transition to personality ... Well, where did you see that I did not want to give birth to children?

              I say in general, it applies to all women, you see it all in a personal light.
              1. Ivga_lis
                Ivga_lis 9 July 2013 17: 09 New
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                Quote: Setrac
                If you do not want to give birth to children, then forget about sex, in all its forms, up to self-satisfaction.

                That is what I regarded as referring specifically to me, as a woman who, in your opinion, does not want to give birth.

                The problem is that you say “in general” and “about everyone”. Each case, in such a matter as pregnancy, is individual, and one cannot say here that everyone who makes an abortion is foolish. It’s in Moscow that a woman, at the very least, can find work (and then for a salary with which she can provide for herself and her child, a higher education is necessary), and in the regions it is much more difficult. And then, a woman who raises a child alone often devotes little time to his upbringing and problems. And the culprits of abortion, by the way, are very often men who are currently partners with women.
                It is impossible to solve this problem with bans - many people quit drinking after they stopped selling alcohol after 11? Or, perhaps, there were less cases of drunk driving when they introduced the notorious 0 ppm?
                1. Setrac
                  Setrac 9 July 2013 19: 04 New
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                  Quote: Ivga_Lis
                  And the culprits of abortion, by the way, are very often men who are currently partners with women.

                  The conception of a child should come from husbands, if it’s normal for you to conceive a child from some mythical “partner”, what morality and upbringing can we talk about? Normal children can only be raised in a full-fledged family. Raising a child in an inferior family or in an orphanage is a lottery with a low probability of success.
                  Quote: Ivga_Lis
                  Each case, in such a matter as pregnancy, is individual, and one cannot say here that everyone who makes an abortion is foolish.

                  Of course, each case must be considered separately, but for this it is necessary to give an example of this same case. And in any case - an abortion is a murder.
                  1. Ivga_lis
                    Ivga_lis 9 July 2013 20: 00 New
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                    Quote: Setrac
                    The conception of a child should come from husbands, if it’s normal for you to conceive a child from some mythical “partner”, what morality and upbringing can we talk about?

                    And again this strange "you". First, speaking of a “partner,” I mean a sexual partner, the second participant in the conception of a child. Because there are options when partners become husbands after conception, and sometimes vice versa - husbands after conception or the birth of a child disappear like spring snow. Therefore, I repeat, it is necessary to increase the moral level of the population, to promote the institution of the family, the birth of children.
                    If we talk about "you" as about me. Personally, I think it’s normal to have a baby for myself if I don’t find the man with whom I want to connect my life. Moreover, I do not think that in our time one can rely on a man both in terms of financial support and in terms of everyday life (this is not the case for all men, but for many people of my age and a little older)
                    1. Setrac
                      Setrac 9 July 2013 21: 24 New
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                      Quote: Ivga_Lis
                      Because there are options when partners become husbands after conception, and sometimes vice versa - husbands after conception or the birth of a child disappear like spring snow.

                      Actually, each person, both a man and a woman, chooses their soul mate for themselves, I have enough friends who have made the wrong choice, what can I say, they themselves (themselves) are guilty (guilty), so she (him) is so (such) need (need).
                      1. Ivga_lis
                        Ivga_lis 9 July 2013 21: 30 New
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                        Here again, each case is individual, therefore, such a problem cannot be solved by prohibitions alone and cannot be, because understanding that you do not want to live with this person, for often, is only possible in the process of living together
                      2. Misantrop
                        Misantrop 9 July 2013 21: 37 New
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                        Quote: Setrac
                        choose your soul mate

                        The other day I got some good advice on this topic. "Before you go to the registry office, try together to paste the wallpaper in the room. If as a result you did not quarrel completely and both were satisfied with the quality of the walls, then you were created for each other ..." (c) lol
                    2. Setrac
                      Setrac 9 July 2013 21: 31 New
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                      Quote: Ivga_Lis
                      Moreover, I do not think that in our time a man can be relied upon both in terms of financial support and in terms of household

                      Your position is understandable, the fault of the previous generation that did not educate men and brought up it is not known what.
  27. Russ69
    Russ69 8 July 2013 13: 40 New
    +5
    You can’t complain about the state all the time, which doesn’t help others, although the state certainly needs to do this. First of all, they give birth to children for themselves, and not for the state.
    In the beginning of the 90s, I shut up my two with a difference of 4 years, and there was nothing to do. Soon I will become a grandfather.
    1. UFO
      UFO 8 July 2013 18: 34 New
      -3
      Something tried little. yes
  28. tifon
    tifon 8 July 2013 13: 43 New
    +1
    It is necessary to ban abortions in Russia, at least for ten years, at present only this can fix the demographic situation, no matter how hard it is, only this can save Russia, albeit stupidly, but so far.
    1. Mikhail
      Mikhail 8 July 2013 17: 17 New
      -1
      It is necessary to ban not ten years, but forever.
    2. smile
      smile 8 July 2013 17: 59 New
      +1
      tifon
      You can’t solve anything and you can’t fix anything. If you follow the path that you have proposed, they will undergo abortion (there was such a term in Soviet law, remember?), The mortality rate of women will increase sharply and various complications will jump exponentially up to infertility, a new one will appear the criminal industry is the production of illegal abortions and, accordingly, the corruption associated with it .... nothing else ... Therefore, in my opinion, nothing good will come of the prohibitions.
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 8 July 2013 20: 10 New
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        Quote: smile
        You can’t solve anything with prohibitions and you can’t fix anything.

        You did not understand the idea, it is necessary to prohibit abortion because it is murder, abortion does not terminate the pregnancy, during an abortion, the fetus is killed, depriving the unborn yet existing person of the right to life. Whoever does not want to give birth, let him not fly, will be fought with such methods by other methods.
  29. Alekseir162
    Alekseir162 8 July 2013 14: 33 New
    +1
    By the way, I found a comment by a certain doctor Wetzel, maybe this name doesn’t say anything to the modern reader, but this is the same “doctor” who had a hand in drafting the so-called master plan “Ost” (I think many people heard about this plan). That is why the Nazi plan, you and I would have to die out if it were implemented. Here is a quote from this, so to speak, document: "...
    c) There are many ways to undermine the biological power of the people ... The aim of German policy towards the population on Russian territory will be to bring the birth rate of Russians to a lower level than that of the Germans. The same applies, by the way, to the extremely prolific peoples of the Caucasus, and in the future, partially to Ukraine. So far, we are interested in increasing the Ukrainian population as opposed to the Russians. But this should not lead to the fact that Ukrainians will take the place of Russians over time.

    In order to avoid an increase in the population that is undesirable for us in the eastern regions, it is imperative to avoid in the East all the measures that we used to increase the birth rate in the empire. In these areas, we must consciously pursue a policy of population reduction. By means of propaganda, especially through the press, radio, cinema, leaflets, brief brochures, reports, etc., we must constantly inspire the population with the idea that it is harmful to have many children.

    It is necessary to show how much money raising children costs and what could be acquired with these funds. We need to talk about the great danger to the health of the woman to whom she is exposed while giving birth to children, etc. Along with this, the broadest propaganda of contraceptives should be launched. It is necessary to establish widespread production of these funds. The distribution of these agents and abortions should in no way be limited. The expansion of the abortion network should be encouraged. You can, for example, organize special retraining of midwives and paramedics and train them to perform abortions. The better the abortion will be, the more credible the population will be. It is clear that doctors must also have permission to have abortions. And this should not be considered a violation of medical ethics.

    Voluntary sterilization should also be promoted, a struggle to reduce infant mortality should be avoided, and mothers should not be allowed to teach nursing children and preventive measures against childhood diseases. The training of Russian doctors in these specialties should be reduced to a minimum, and no support should be given to kindergartens and other similar institutions. Along with these health activities, there should be no obstacle to divorce. Help should not be given to illegitimate children. Should not allow any tax privileges for large families, do not provide them with financial assistance in the form of allowances to wages ...

    It’s important for us Germans to weaken the Russian people to such an extent that they are no longer able to prevent us from establishing German supremacy in Europe. "
    He who has eyes - let him see! He who has ears, let him hear ...
  30. Cheloveck
    Cheloveck 8 July 2013 14: 38 New
    0
    The article is a clear minus!
    As always, the cart is placed in front of the horse.
  31. Seraph
    Seraph 8 July 2013 14: 41 New
    +7
    To ban and give money is great.
    I want to tell a story from my priestly practice. One hieromonk, with whom we lived in the same monastery, set about the idea of ​​fighting abortion. He collected methodical and popular educational literature, videos, established a connection with the Life Center and began to go to the hospital, he is also an abortion doctor. Lying there are mainly young zalotets, who know nothing or little about abortion. Hieromonk set up a TV in the lobby with the permission of the institution’s management and turned on propaganda films, talked with mothers. Result: after a year, the number of abortions fell by about half.
    All this happened in the city of Rostov the Great, the city of the depressed, low salaries. And the result is obvious.
    Then tell me about fat priests on Mercedes and watches with diamonds.
    1. Mikhail
      Mikhail 8 July 2013 17: 06 New
      -1
      Fat priests on the Mercedes and watch with brilliants - bring comrade Lenin, the “most humane man”, and all his predecessors (all persons and all kinds of “fighters for people's happiness”) and followers (modern liberals).
      Thanks to the “great” Lenin for the resolution of abortion in 1920: we still cannot get out of this pit, although there was an attempt in 1936.
      1. Hon
        Hon 8 July 2013 17: 22 New
        -3
        Quote: Michael
        Fat priests on the Mercedes and watch with brilliants - bring comrade Lenin, the “most humane man”, and all his predecessors (all persons and all kinds of “fighters for people's happiness”) and followers (modern liberals).
        Thanks to the “great” Lenin for the resolution of abortion in 1920: we still cannot get out of this pit, although there was an attempt in 1936.

        Pushkin wrote about fat priests. By the way, the Holy Synod at its meeting on February 26 refused to call on the Orthodox laity not to participate in riots and demonstrations. Researcher Mikhail Babkin sheds light on the reasons for such a reaction by the Synod: its chairman, Metropolitan Vladimir, was “offended” by “Emperor Nicholas II for transferring from Petrograd to the Kiev department”. The synod consistently ignored requests to defend the monarchy from the Yekaterinoslav department of the Union of Russian People (February 22), from a friend (deputy) of the synodal chief prosecutor Prince Zhevakhov (February 26), from the chief prosecutor Raev N. P. (February 27, with the beginning of an armed uprising). It is significant that the Synod responded to Raev’s request by remarking that “it is not known where treason comes from - from above or from below”.
        In general, the Church saw in the revolution an opportunity to get rid of the tutelage of the state, replacing the synodal device with the patriarchal one. At the same meeting, on March 4, the tsarist chair was demonstratively taken out of the hall “into the archive” as “a symbol of Caesarapapism in the Russian Church”
    2. smile
      smile 8 July 2013 18: 09 New
      +2
      Seraph
      Great example! And a worthy person.
      Normal people don’t think that all clergymen like you indicated on the last line ... It’s clear that the family has its black sheep, and there are different “priests,” but the vast majority are exactly what priests should be. And normal people do not pickle about the "priests" and their diamonds.
    3. cumastra1
      cumastra1 9 July 2013 19: 06 New
      0
      The perfect truth!
      Clarification, propaganda, education - this is how to deal with abortion, not prohibitions. If they support the future mother morally, support her financially, and we have benefits - the cat wept, but all sorts of olympiads - swell billions.
  32. Danilka
    Danilka 8 July 2013 15: 24 New
    +1
    Quote: Seraphim
    To ban and give money is great.
    I want to tell a story from my priestly practice. One hieromonk, with whom we lived in the same monastery, set about the idea of ​​fighting abortion. He collected methodical and popular educational literature, videos, established a connection with the Life Center and began to go to the hospital, he is also an abortion doctor. Lying there are mainly young zalotets, who know nothing or little about abortion. Hieromonk set up a TV in the lobby with the permission of the institution’s management and turned on propaganda films, talked with mothers. Result: after a year, the number of abortions fell by about half.
    All this happened in the city of Rostov the Great, the city of the depressed, low salaries. And the result is obvious.
    Then tell me about fat priests on Mercedes and watches with diamonds.

    a very good example, plus. Earlier all over the world, religion was a deterrent (if not an overwhelming factor for abortion). Now, as it were, progress, the science of religion in Russia has shaken after the advice ... bad
    Threat just do not need religion now to behave as in the Middle Ages
    1. Seraph
      Seraph 17 July 2013 00: 10 New
      +2
      By "the behavior of religion as in the Middle Ages," you apparently understand fanaticism and sectarianism? I absolutely agree in this case: fanatics, sectarians and clickers have no place in an enlightened and developed society. As soon as we become such a society (God forbid!), We will have neither thieving officials, nor careless doctors, nor illiterate drunks, drug addicts, nor lazy men, nor corrupt women, nor greedy, unbelieving priests. In the meantime, you have to live with what is; Do not burn weeds under clean so as not to destroy the good fruit ...
  33. DZ_98_B
    DZ_98_B 8 July 2013 16: 26 New
    +2
    I don’t understand the desire of Africans dying of hunger to reproduce with terrifying speed. Actually, I saw movies at the dock, they have hunger, children die of hunger like flies, and women, Negroes, are always abdominal. We need to talk not about the prohibition of abortion, but about the real support of mothers and their children. Not to finance fanfaraon projects, but to support motherhood, healthy motherhood.
  34. montemor
    montemor 8 July 2013 16: 48 New
    +1
    how many people, so many opinions. for me, you need to change the attitude towards families with children. having children should be prestigious, and not have, shamefully and strongly condemned in society. so far, we have everything exactly the opposite hi
  35. savoj
    savoj 8 July 2013 17: 06 New
    -7
    And why should the Russians give birth once again when their elected government periodically organizes either the revolution, the civil war, the Gulag, Afghanistan, or Chechnya ...... Everything is fine with Abramovich, it seems there are six children ....
    1. Mikhail
      Mikhail 8 July 2013 17: 18 New
      +2
      You got something wrong. The power chosen by the revolution does not organize — this is complete absurdity.
      The revolution of 1917 and the civil war are the result of the activity of usurpers.
      Afghanistan and Chechnya are wars from which no one is safe.
      And in the GULAG, not only the innocent were sitting, as the liberals say so, but also those who had something to sit for. Under any government, there is a place of deprivation of liberty.
    2. smile
      smile 8 July 2013 18: 14 New
      +1
      savoj
      Here you look at your comments, at your disgusting attitude towards Russia and involuntarily come to the conclusion that abortion should not be prohibited. :)))
    3. Black
      Black 8 July 2013 18: 51 New
      +2
      Quote: savoj
      And why should the Russians give birth once again when their elected government periodically organizes either the revolution, the civil war, the Gulag, Afghanistan, or Chechnya ..



      I read your comments ...

      First, for the Russians, no one will do anything, neither his own people nor a stranger,


      There are a lot of smart and talented people. The problem is in power, in leadership. In the payment and control of personnel. And behind everything is the Russian people, who have elected and are not against this power.

      In Russia, specialists have always been planted, from times (grief from the mind) to the present. This was especially practiced under Stalin. So to live with this Russian always, is doom when there is no way out.


      .... I imagine what will happen when they start launching military missiles .... there is neither sorrow, nor joy, nothing ...... this is RUSSIA. Of course, it is worth fearing primarily because of such missiles, Chernobyls (which are half the country), and so on. God apparently is when he punishes and breaks up an empire that killed millions of its citizens under the Stalinist communists.


      With such a flag on the profile picture ... why don’t you like the Russian people so much? to such an extent that you don’t have any reason for giving birth !!! And we are fools, and idiots, and do not see our happiness .... somewhere I already heard it .... Do you wear a mustache?
    4. Truth-lover
      Truth-lover 9 July 2013 12: 14 New
      +2
      Nda. Russophobia in its most perverse understanding
  36. Mikhail
    Mikhail 8 July 2013 17: 10 New
    0
    Abortion must be prohibited. In this case, it is necessary to take preventive measures against those who try to circumvent the law. That there will be no doubt.
    1. Hon
      Hon 8 July 2013 17: 27 New
      -3
      It is not up to you to give birth or not! Yes, it is necessary by all possible means to help reduce the number of abortions, but if she already decided to get rid of the child, her job.
      1. UFO
        UFO 8 July 2013 18: 31 New
        +5
        Have you seen the abortion video? Where is it shown how the child moves away, hides from the medical tools with which they want to pull him out? They cannot hook him and tear him in parts and pull them out in parts. Have you seen his dumb scream? !!!
        1. Hon
          Hon 8 July 2013 19: 04 New
          +1
          Quote: UFO
          Have you seen the abortion video? Where is it shown how the child moves away, hides from the medical tools with which they want to pull him out? They cannot hook him and tear him in parts and pull them out in parts. Have you seen his dumb scream? !!!

          This is one of the ways to deal with abortion, to show someone who wants to make this video. In general, a guy came up to me a couple of months ago, at the Leningrad station, for thirty years no more. With words like "share a trifle, we are Russians." I really wanted to throw such a Russian on the rails, and it is unfortunate that his parents did not have an abortion.
      2. Mikhail
        Mikhail 8 July 2013 19: 11 New
        +3
        It is not for you to decide, to kill or not.
        A woman does not have the right to get rid of the child, because no one has been given the moral right to kill themselves. If people do not want a child at the moment, they must be protected.
        It is like you minus me.
      3. Setrac
        Setrac 8 July 2013 20: 20 New
        +2
        Quote: Hon
        It is not up to you to give birth or not! Yes, it is necessary by all possible means to help reduce the number of abortions, but if she already decided to get rid of the child, her job.

        So you can justify all the killers. "If he decided to kill someone - it's his business!" A woman in such cases rests on her rights, but forgets about the rights of the child.
        In fact, it is not necessary to prohibit abortion, you can pass a law to consider a person’s life not from the moment of birth, but from the moment of conception, then any abortion will immediately become a murder with all criminal responsibility.
      4. 2я19
        2я19 8 July 2013 22: 52 New
        +2
        Her legs should be planted neatly, and God gave birth, for you are a woman and this is your only holy duty. Give birth and do not interfere in God's providence, give it to an orphanage, throw it in a rich house, but give the child a chance if it is not for you to decide whether to be him.
  37. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 8 July 2013 17: 20 New
    +6
    You need to work with doctors (gynecologists), my first wife was frightened (supposedly don’t give birth normally and nobody will call a helicopter because of you) the second one was rammed (you need to do a caesarean, etc.) Two healthy sons were born and gave birth without complications .. I wanted to go and strangle such doctors. How many girls survived after such a gynecologist’s words .. Here such damn things. And my wife has that in the first marriage, that in the second marriage, mature and not stupid women had something to say, and young ones .. and there are many Russia (not all of course ..)
    1. Black
      Black 8 July 2013 18: 34 New
      +8
      Quote: MIKHAN
      my first wife was scared

      Common situation. yes
      The wife (on the 4th month) comes after the gynecologist’s reception “killed”, they said, “your fetus has decomposed already !!!”
      Glory to the Lord did not panic .... 24 years to that "decaying fruit", seized .... fellow
  38. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 8 July 2013 18: 44 New
    +1
    The state pays money for everyone, it’s not that ... The social service together with gynecologists should work as the FSB (to identify normal families where the woman became pregnant ..) and keep them in the flesh until the ambulance is on duty near the house .. Heads of administrations should have a list of all pregnant women and every day to report on what state of health has been done .. what is needed .. Women should feel this state protection .. (the number of abortions has increased the official’s expense ..) and the Russian Orthodox Church should periodically appear in such places. icons are all that). I’m a little bit) emotionally, but simply imagined what our Russian women feel in these rooms. Well and most importantly, we men need to take care of our loved ones .. many of us are dead .. something .... These are the things ...
  39. Black
    Black 8 July 2013 18: 55 New
    +1
    Quote: MIKHAN
    dying a lot of us .. something


    I agree with you!
    This "something" boys in liters from 12 years old whip !!!
  40. Mikhail
    Mikhail 8 July 2013 19: 17 New
    -1

    Quote: Hon
    Quote: UFO
    Have you seen the abortion video? Where is it shown how the child moves away, hides from the medical tools with which they want to pull him out? They cannot hook him and tear him in parts and pull them out in parts. Have you seen his dumb scream? !!!

    This is one of the ways to deal with abortion, to show someone who wants to make this video. In general, a guy came up to me a couple of months ago, at the Leningrad station, for thirty years no more. With words like "share a trifle, we are Russians." I really wanted to throw such a Russian on the rails, and it is unfortunate that his parents did not have an abortion.


    You know, you’ve probably got somewhere in a liberal party, not here.
    Everything that you wrote about the Holy Synod is well known.
    If Pushkin wrote about fat priests, this does not mean that he was an atheist. And among the priests there are different people, including those at the very top.
    1. Hon
      Hon 9 July 2013 01: 31 New
      0
      Quote: Michael
      You know, you’ve probably got somewhere in a liberal party, not here.
      Everything that you wrote about the Holy Synod is well known.
      If Pushkin wrote about fat priests, this does not mean that he was an atheist. And among the priests there are different people, including those at the very top.

      I’ll somehow decide where I should be. I did not say that Pushkin is an atheist, I simply do not know this. You began to claim that fat priests were Lenin’s inventions, and before the revolution there was quiet and smooth. In the USSR, by the way, families and birth rates were supported in every possible way, although ideologically the state was atheistic. And by the way, when they start arguing about religion on this site, a big deal rises, there are few liberals on this site, so you don’t need to drive about the fact that everyone who disagrees with you a priori the enemies of Russia.
  41. Obliterator
    Obliterator 8 July 2013 19: 46 New
    +5
    collecting typically “masculine” materials on his electronic pages — these are articles about weapons, and analytical materials on geopolitics, and the emotional opinions of his esteemed readers about a variety of pressing issues related to the theme of patriotism.

    I will speak a little off topic. With the phrase "typically" male "materials", I involuntarily recall social networks. Namely, the local understanding of these same man’s materials usually comes down to photos of chic auto-moto, fashionable men's clothes, tips for wearing them, stupid “rules of life,” ala, “always get in the taxi in the back seat”, photos of half-naked girls, photos of masked gopniks with bits in some dark gateway and phrases about the hard life of a boy, and that kind of slag. It's disgusting, and even scary, when you remember how many people see all this, and perceive it at face value.
  42. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 8 July 2013 19: 48 New
    +2
    Quote: Chen
    Quote: MIKHAN
    dying a lot of us .. something


    I agree with you!
    This "something" boys in liters from 12 years old whip !!!

    A lot of mature and not always drinking smart men die, which is the most offensive ... (the soul hurts just for many ..) And we don’t need to poke us with this .. We not only know how to walk and shoot ..
  43. serge
    serge 8 July 2013 20: 12 New
    +3
    The prohibition of abortion is the first thing to do to improve the demographic situation. Housing problems - this is the second.
  44. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 8 July 2013 20: 17 New
    +1
    Conclusion .. We are building rockets, ships, planes. We fly into space !!. And we don’t need to forget our main strategic weapon of Russia (our beloved wives of mothers and daughters) .. "They will stop the horse and go into the burning hut ..) They love us for our soul .. !! And the next will help us times The country to pull out of all this .. Here I just expressed (the topic is necessary .. I think) I just noticed more homosexuals we are discussing .. Think guys we’re going to go !!! It’s like everything I wanted to express ..
    1. shurup
      shurup 8 July 2013 20: 35 New
      -1
      A spitting mirror in his own face has not yet been invented.
      If you want to try, ask the woman next to you.
      A homosexual is not a miscarriage, and so, a miscarriage - there is no discussion.
  45. Mikhail
    Mikhail 8 July 2013 21: 40 New
    0
    Quote: serge
    The prohibition of abortion is the first thing to do to improve the demographic situation. Housing problems - this is the second.


    Correctly. When abortion advocates say there is "nowhere to live", they don’t see the reason. And the main reason is their own worldview, which allows not only to kill, but to kill those who can’t even resist killing.
    Propaganda is a terrible force. It is imperative that everyone understands that life begins not at birth, but at conception. It is necessary to overcome the legacy of 1920. And correctly constructed propaganda will help in this.
    You need to give birth, and the rest will follow. It is no coincidence that there is such a proverb: God gave the child, and give on the child (I have already quoted her above in the commentary).
  46. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 8 July 2013 21: 41 New
    -2
    Now another time, "prohibitions" will lead the death of stupid girls under the tongs of left doctors ...
  47. 2я19
    2я19 8 July 2013 22: 39 New
    +1
    How do you want to believe that such articles set the stage for the prohibition of abortion. An abortion is a premeditated murder by a group of persons by prior conspiracy and nothing else !!! With all the consequences. Pakistan, Afghanistan, India and others give birth, and Belgium, France, Denmark and Russia are reborn with them. Makhachkala, Grozny, Nazran give birth, and Tver, Samara, Belgorod are reborn. Why? Tell me, cultural traditions, all traditions come down to the fact that in Novolak legs will be torn out for abortion, and in the same Pugachev they’ll eat up lithruhu, that everything went well. More such articles, more broadcasts on TV, radio and in newspapers. And a mandatory complete ban, otherwise the Russians will die out and Russia will turn into the "Middle East2". What our "partners" want in the future.
  48. potters nat
    potters nat 9 July 2013 09: 13 New
    0
    Abortion is just the realization of our unwillingness to have children, but where does unwillingness come from? The answer is simple - PENSIONS, this POWERFUL TOOL TO PROMOTE PRIVACY.
    In my theory there are 3 theses:
    1. We have not earned pensions - this is a pyramid.
    2. Pensions destroy the family, morality, and the nation itself, because why family and children - will there be a pension?
    3. As a result of guaranteed old-age pensions, people no longer reproduce themselves, the birth rate falls below mortality VIA GENERATION, when a generation grows up that perceives pensions as a law of nature, a country is flooded by immigrants, a nation disappears.
    (My entire book, “How Pensions Destroyed Great Nations,” can be downloaded from the Billion Russia website).
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 9 July 2013 16: 33 New
      0
      I want to add.
      Free medicine encourages a disregard for one's own health.
      Free education generates a lot of unnecessary specialists when the country needs simple hard workers.
  49. potters nat
    potters nat 9 July 2013 09: 23 New
    +2
    Abortion is just the realization of our unwillingness to have children, but where does unwillingness come from? And here from where - PENSIONS, this POWERFUL INSTRUMENT OF PROMOTING VICTIMS.
    In my theory there are 3 theses:
    1. We have not earned pensions - this is a pyramid.
    2. Pensions destroy the family, morality, and the nation itself, because why family and children - will there be a pension?
    3. As a result of guaranteed old-age pensions, people no longer reproduce themselves, the birth rate falls below mortality VIA GENERATION, when a generation grows up that perceives pensions as a law of nature, a country is flooded by immigrants, a nation disappears.
    (My entire book, “How Pensions Destroyed Great Nations,” can be downloaded from the Billion Russia website).
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 9 July 2013 16: 26 New
      0
      make a book in FB2 format
  50. Savva30
    Savva30 9 July 2013 13: 38 New
    +5
    Somehow a certain couple came to the old man. “Father,” the spouse says, “I am expecting a child, and we already have four children; if the fifth is born, we won’t live. Bless to have an abortion.
    “I see it’s not easy for you to live,” the elder answers, “well,
    I bless you to kill your child. Just kill the eldest daughter, she’s already fifteen years old: tea, she’s already lived in the world, she has seen something,
    and that little one and a ray of the sun have not yet seen, it will be unjust to deprive him of this opportunity.
    In horror, the woman covered her face with her hands and sobbed.

    Article + !!! It is often necessary to raise such questions to the surface ...
    Please submit this article to our rulers for breakfast ...