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Ukraine presented a unique sample of the new 1400 hp tank engine.

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Ukraine presented a unique sample of the new 1400 hp tank engine.



According to the General Designer of the Kharkov Engine Design Bureau (HKBD), a prototype of a promising tank engine with a power 1400l.s., which passed the design and development tests, has already been manufactured.

The development of a promising engine by experts of the Treasury enterprise Kharkiv Engine Design Bureau, has already aroused great interest among foreign experts and potential customers. It can be operated in any climatic conditions (up to 55 ° C) and has no equal in these indicators. Now the new 6TD-3 engine is being prepared for mass production.

The engines of the 6TD series are far ahead of time. And now, in terms of tactical and technical indicators, they are not inferior to the best foreign analogues. MTO volume with these engines is the smallest among all tanksmade in the world.

The new engine will have a mass in 1200 kg, and the power will be 1400 hp. The efficiency of reducing heat transfer will be 30% compared to four-stroke engines.

The possibility of supplying these engines for upgrading Russian T-72 series tanks was previously discussed. And for India, they have developed a version of the modernization of their T-90C tanks. It is proposed to install a new MTO with an 6TD-3 engine, a new Doublet, Zaslon protection, a panoramic sight and a number of other improvements already developed on Oplot tanks on the tank. This solution significantly improves the tactical and technical characteristics of the tank compared to the standard.
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  1. tronin.maxim
    tronin.maxim 6 July 2013 06: 20 New
    38
    One should only be happy for the brothers of Ukrainians!
    1. Kolya
      Kolya 6 July 2013 10: 22 New
      17
      Need to unite and rejoice together!
      1. alex-defensor
        alex-defensor 10 July 2013 19: 15 New
        0
        Quote: tronin.maxim
        One should only be happy for the brothers of Ukrainians!

        But only for those Ukrainians who are BROTHERS! laughing

        Quote: Kohl
        Need to unite and rejoice together!

        Iron concrete!
    2. in reserve
      in reserve 6 July 2013 11: 30 New
      +4
      This news is 10 years in vow, taken from here.

      http://andrei-bt.livejournal.com/7277.html
      1. in reserve
        in reserve 6 July 2013 12: 51 New
        +2
        This is not a reliable source.

        http://www.ukraineindustrial.info/index.php/ru/news/37-machinery/466-ukraine-138
  2. pinecone
    pinecone 6 July 2013 06: 27 New
    10
    Success example State defense industry enterprises.
    1. mirag2
      mirag2 6 July 2013 07: 44 New
      +1
      It’s a pity that the quality of examples of the unsuccessful work of state-owned enterprises of the military-industrial complex exceeds everything. Although, of course, I really wanted to agree with you more likely; the meaning of your statement is completely different, and I agree with it. But it’s absolutely ABSOLUTELY disagree with the management methods inherited from the Soviet era-a clear example of IZHMASH.
  3. self-propelled
    self-propelled 6 July 2013 06: 33 New
    +6
    Well, good news. it remains to become more familiar with the characteristics of this engine (or better yet compare with foreign competitors)
    The possibility of supplying these engines for the modernization of Russian tanks of the T-72 series was previously discussed.

    I wonder why bet on Russian tanks this engine? and how large is the amount of rework for such an upgrade?
    1. 77bor1973
      77bor1973 6 July 2013 08: 11 New
      +1
      The Americans would be dragged for such modernization by ships.
      1. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg 6 July 2013 10: 42 New
        0
        Quote: 77bor1973
        The Americans would be dragged for such modernization by ships.


        And it’s time for us to squeeze these remodelers to the nail, or else we’ve taken fashion into the business of others.
    2. mga04
      mga04 6 July 2013 10: 38 New
      0
      "how big is the volume of alterations"
      The old MTO compartment is cut off from the tank and a new one is welded. Plus replacement controls. If the customer has strained the money, they put in the new MTO in the old compartment with the preservation of the air cleaning and cooling system from the T-72's native engine. In this embodiment, the potential of 6TD-2 is not fully realized.
    3. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 6 July 2013 10: 40 New
      0
      Quote: self-propelled
      I wonder why bet on Russian tanks this engine? and how large is the amount of rework for such an upgrade?


      For the fact that I want to snatch from someone else’s prig, in other matters, as usual. The volume of alterations is not very large - just replace one third of the tank. The article is bravura, which in itself suggests that not everything is clean with this engine. In fact, it turns out that either the power does not meet the declared or operational requirements are beyond.
      1. Kars
        Kars 6 July 2013 10: 53 New
        +4
        Quote: Geisenberg
        For the fact that I want to snatch from someone else’s prerogative,

        Pie by the way is not a stranger, but just a pie.
        Quote: Geisenberg
        The volume of alterations is not very large - just replace one third of the tank

        You said it very much --- Ethiopia can afford it. (Of course, not 1400 but smaller, but still more powerful than the regular one)
        1. Geisenberg
          Geisenberg 6 July 2013 11: 12 New
          0
          Quote: Kars
          Ethiopia can afford it. (Of course, not less than 1400, but still more powerful than the regular one)


          I suspect that Ethiopia forced afford it laughing (certainly not 1400, but the fact that there is enough money)

          Quote: Kars
          Pie by the way is not a stranger, but just a pie.


          To whom is a pie, and to whom is a stranger fellow
          1. Kars
            Kars 6 July 2013 11: 18 New
            +3
            Quote: Geisenberg
            I suspect that Ethiopia is forced to afford it (certainly not 1400, but because there is enough money)

            You want to say that non-modernized T-72s are more expensive?
            Quote: Geisenberg
            To whom is a pie, and to whom is a stranger

            ??
        2. svp67
          svp67 6 July 2013 13: 48 New
          +1
          Quote: Kars
          You said it very much --- Ethiopia can afford it. (Of course, not 1400 but smaller, but still more powerful than the regular one)
          Ethiopia's exploitation of these tanks will put a lot of things into place - following its results, other countries will decide whether to purchase tanks with such engines or leave tanks with four-stroke ...
          1. Kars
            Kars 6 July 2013 14: 23 New
            +6
            Quote: svp67
            Ethiopia's exploitation of these tanks

            And the operation of Pakistani tanks? Chinese BT-1? Al-Khalid does nothing?
            1. svp67
              svp67 6 July 2013 15: 16 New
              0
              Quote: Kars
              And the operation of Pakistani tanks? Chinese BT-1? Al-Khalid does nothing?

              Pakistan is not exactly the case ... In Ethiopia, the modernized T72. This is the tank that is in the arsenal of many countries, and this tank will be compared with the original ones ...
              1. Kars
                Kars 6 July 2013 16: 19 New
                +1
                Quote: svp67
                In Ethiopia, the modernized T72.

                So what? It's more about the MTO. Or want to say that the running t-72 will not pull an increase in engine power?
                Quote: svp67
                here and compare this tank with the original ...

                and who will let them compare? They will serve themselves in Ethiopia, like VT-1A in Bangladesh
                1. svp67
                  svp67 6 July 2013 16: 23 New
                  0
                  Quote: Kars
                  So what? It's more about the MTO. Or want to say that the running t-72 will not pull an increase in engine power?

                  Of course he’ll survive, there’s even no doubt. More doubt is the ability of the Ethiopian military to exploit such a complex motor ...
                  Quote: Kars
                  and who will let them compare? They will serve themselves in Ethiopia, like VT-2 in Bangladesh
                  There is a hotter place on the planet and their “unfriendly” neighbors have enough T72 tanks.
                  1. Kars
                    Kars 6 July 2013 16: 29 New
                    +2
                    Quote: svp67
                    More doubt is the ability of the Ethiopian military to exploit such a complex motor ...

                    Well, this is not a particular problem, there is still training. There is after-sales support.
                    Quote: svp67
                    There is a hotter place on the planet and their “unfriendly” neighbors have enough T72 tanks.

                    and? there are a lot of hot spots, and if you compare the burned photos, it’s quite difficult to draw conclusions. For example, in Marrocco, a Chinese tank has already won the T-90S tender.
              2. Kars
                Kars 6 July 2013 16: 22 New
                +2
                ________________
        3. iOfficer
          iOfficer 6 July 2013 15: 39 New
          +3
          The cake is not quite simple because tank, which offer to upgrade - Russian tank. Typically, the calculation is, when selling, not only for delivery, but also for subsequent modernization. In other words, it turns out that we delivered, and they just want to pick up the after-sales service from us. Considering the fact that now re-equipment and in order to increase the pace of assembly, as well as upgrade equipment, I need a huge amount of money, I consider an attempt to seize the initiative, in this case, an attempt to slow down the resuscitation process of the Russian defense industry.
          1. svp67
            svp67 6 July 2013 19: 46 New
            +3
            Quote: iOfficer
            The cake is not quite simple because tank, which offer to upgrade - Russian tank.

            You wanted to say SOVIET ...
          2. aksakal
            aksakal 6 July 2013 23: 38 New
            0
            Quote: iOfficer
            and in order to increase the pace of assembly, as well as upgrade equipment, I need huge amounts of money, I consider an attempt to seize the initiative, in this case, an attempt to slow down the resuscitation process of the Russian defense industry.
            - partly in your opinion you are right. Only you have forgotten that the problem of after-sales service of Russian (formerly Soviet technology) is not even ten years old, but quite a lot of years, and things are still there! Well, if you don’t move, Ukrainians, Israelis and even the French will move. Ukrainians, by the way, unlike the Israelis and the French, have at least a moral right to modernize the T-72 sold in Soviet times, because it was like a union state and co-owner of all this sold for export. In any case, it has moral right, and with the rest to international arbitration, he will decide. Russia, as having taken over the debts of the entire USSR, has the exclusive right to all the achievements of the USSR, but the modernization of Soviet technology is not done on the basis of the USSR, but on its own R&D, there can be no prohibition here. The Russians themselves need to move and propose their own modernization options, while pressuring on the fact that since the equipment is Russian, then the modernization is the best - only from Russia, otherwise Russia cannot answer for the further behavior of the tanks upgraded by foreigners and takes responsibility plan. And before saying so, it’s absolutely correct, you need:
            Quote: iOfficer
            increase the pace of assembly, as well as upgrade equipment, you need a lot of money
            - and that there is no money in Russia? Oh oh Where do they lie dead weight and feed the overseas uncle? I can not hear! Okay, I understand when kudrins are shouting - “if you don’t touch that money on the development of Russia's infrastructure, it’s risky!”, The risk is really that which is stolen, and that the roads are not built there laughing As we have in Almaty - the subway was built for 40 years! From North to South. And 30 years ago, 10 years later, it was decided to build microdistricts in the eastern part of the city. At the same time, business activity was concentrated in the western part of the city. And so it happened - in the morning and in the evening there are huge human flows from west to east and back, and the metro is out of business, nonresident people go down there to ride, like a museum and a landmark laughing This is an example that there are such risks in infrastructure construction. But what are the risks? This is an ordinary commercial project, with a little of its own specifics, and the specifics are due only to the fact that the product is still specific, for killing people, and the risks here are insignificant. So pull the money out and invest it here, in the development of the business of servicing the sold equipment and its further modernization. This is a good and large market, in my opinion, it is larger than the market for sales of new equipment. If last year Russia sold only 15 billion cu, then in the market for servicing the sold equipment and for its further modernization it could easily cut down all thirty! If you do not want to pull out from the States and take risks, then at least do not stop your Slav brothers from earning money by not behaving like a dog in the manger - I will not give it to others or to others! And there, the Kazakh brothers will also catch up - the first experiments to modernize the T-72 at the Semipalatinsk Tank Repair Plant (Kazakhstan Engineering) seem to inspire hope ... I hope there will not be indignant screams here? After all, delay yourself and slow down.
            1. iOfficer
              iOfficer 8 July 2013 10: 49 New
              -1
              What kind of screaming can we talk about? This is a deep, purely economic issue. Ukraine is a brotherly people, although it got a little confused, but it’s still its own and native)
    4. dustycat
      dustycat 6 July 2013 12: 49 New
      +2
      What alterations?
      This is the same 900-hp push-pull counter.
      Take it and put it.
      If only the transmission and chassis (rolled back to the gas turbine engine) would not break into rags.
      And then, it is still the development of the USSR that has hung only for 10-15 years.
      If only they would offer the same for UAZ ... Only a smaller size. To scale.
      I would buy.
  4. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 6 July 2013 07: 47 New
    11
    Well done brothers Ukrainians !!! Always on such an occasion, happy for you! You have great potential .. It's time to unwind at full power !!
    1. I am a Russian
      I am a Russian 6 July 2013 17: 41 New
      +3
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Well done brothers Ukrainians !!! Always on such an occasion, happy for you! You have great potential .. It's time to unwind at full power !!


      ... let the Ukrainians work ... they don’t beat the bucks
  5. sys-1985
    sys-1985 6 July 2013 07: 49 New
    +6
    '' With boost boost pressure
    efficiency decreases
    compressor therefore
    air temperature after
    compressor can
    outrun pressure growth
    boost, and comes
    moment when increases
    engine power with
    boost boost not
    observed.
    One direction
    further increase
    engine power
    is cooling
    air after the compressor.
    According to this scheme was
    engine 6TD-3 is made
    By cooling the air on
    100 ° C while maintaining
    constant temperature
    exhaust gas power
    6TD engine was
    brought to 1500 hp
    Water cooler
    charge air
    located at the intake
    crankcase that led to
    increase in size
    engine 125 mm.
    .... '
  6. buzuke
    buzuke 6 July 2013 08: 05 New
    +4
    Interestingly, our goal was to increase the power of internal combustion engines to our manufacturers? it is hard to believe that in the same Yaroslavl, for example, they could not have developed a new engine for specific requirements
  7. 77bor1973
    77bor1973 6 July 2013 08: 08 New
    +3
    As I understand it, the engine is two-stroke?
    1. 77bor1973
      77bor1973 6 July 2013 13: 04 New
      +1
      And if it is 2-stroke, then by definition it is more voracious, more heat-stressed, its plus is a lot of power with smaller dimensions.
      1. Nayhas
        Nayhas 7 July 2013 17: 12 New
        +2
        Not just a push-pull, but also a boxer, not only with pistons moving towards them ... As far as I understand, it’s quite moody and not very convenient to repair. And his voracity is high in oil, not in fuel.
        Well, at the expense of heat intensity ... In principle, it can be decided by introducing additional tacts according to the Steam-o-Lene scheme, but here, of course, the designers know better ...
  8. Makarov
    Makarov 6 July 2013 08: 34 New
    12
    They still have work to do on refinement and testing, but 1400 hp are impressive ... ZAZovtsy ... now they have to pull Bugatti ...))))
    1. aksakal
      aksakal 7 July 2013 19: 39 New
      0
      Quote: Makarov
      They still have work to do on refinement and testing, but 1400 hp are impressive ... ZAZovtsy ... now they have to pull Bugatti ...))))

      - I understand that when they put 65 hp into 1500 tons (Abramych), but when it is considered to stick into a 48-ton machine, is that much? Really, Bugatti pull? In Syria, 780 strong diesels pull the tanks perfectly, once I saw how the T-72 stands on the bridge, it gets an RPG grenade somewhere in the stern, so the tank pulled from there - the sports cars really nervously smoke aside laughing The transmission will probably have to be strengthened due to the increased power and torque. The cruising range, and hence the autonomy, will probably decrease due to the greater fuel consumption.
      But there are pluses. Increased mobility and throttle response, it is possible to increase the power of the turret turn and gyrostabilization drives, and hence the turret turn speed.
  9. fisherman
    fisherman 6 July 2013 08: 35 New
    +6
    it was already presented to the general public in 2011
  10. APASUS
    APASUS 6 July 2013 09: 04 New
    +3
    Already wrote about this engine a couple of years ago, I thought he had gone into the series for a long time?
    1. fisherman
      fisherman 6 July 2013 09: 16 New
      0
      It seems that a big buyer has not yet been found
    2. Algor73
      Algor73 6 July 2013 09: 20 New
      14
      In order to go into the series, we need orders. Is that on the "Bastions" for Thailand. Yes, it could be the Chinese. And we, Ukrainians, do not need them. What to put them on? The Ukrainian army does not need tanks, but the leadership of the country does not need an army. The police need to be strengthened, so that people are kept in check, otherwise the hour is uneven ....
      1. Corneli
        Corneli 6 July 2013 14: 43 New
        -2
        Quote: Algor73
        In order to go into the series, we need orders. Is that on the "Bastions" for Thailand. Yes, it could be the Chinese. And we, Ukrainians, do not need them. What to put them on? The Ukrainian army does not need tanks, but the leadership of the country does not need an army. The police need to be strengthened, so that people are kept in check, otherwise the hour is uneven ....

        The police are also being cut))) And in some places it is very serious ...
      2. Corneli
        Corneli 6 July 2013 14: 50 New
        -1
        Quote: Algor73
        In order to go into the series, we need orders. Is that on the "Bastions" for Thailand. Yes, it could be the Chinese. And we, Ukrainians, do not need them. What to put them on? The Ukrainian army does not need tanks, but the leadership of the country does not need an army. The police need to be strengthened, so that people are kept in check, otherwise the hour is uneven ....

        The police are also being cut))) And in some places it is very serious ...
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  12. ivankursk46
    ivankursk46 6 July 2013 09: 30 New
    +6
    Quote: buzuke
    Interestingly, our goal was to increase the power of internal combustion engines to our manufacturers? it is hard to believe that in the same Yaroslavl, for example, they could not have developed a new engine for specific requirements

    We have developed an X-shaped
    http://topwar.ru/7491-dvigatel-blizhayshego-buduschego.html
    1. iOfficer
      iOfficer 6 July 2013 15: 45 New
      0
      Moreover, he was more powerful and ready for the series before. They need to be compared for a start, and then to make exact conclusions that everyone wants to buy it in a row. + There is a place to be delivery speed. With the "Bastions" for Thailand have not yet figured out properly.
  13. TS3sta3
    TS3sta3 6 July 2013 09: 43 New
    -2
    the little thing: to establish mass production and put on all tanks in the world.
  14. Rattenfanger
    Rattenfanger 6 July 2013 09: 44 New
    +3
    The engines of the 6TD series are far ahead of time. And now, in terms of tactical and technical indicators, they are not inferior to the best foreign analogues.

    Is it like, excuse me? If they are "far ahead of time", then they should be unique, the best. And if "they are not inferior to foreign counterparts" then this is a completely different song.
  15. cth; fyn
    cth; fyn 6 July 2013 09: 45 New
    +4
    If you put such an engine on the T-90, then the transmission will fly off through the 100-150 hours, therefore a new, more powerful transmission is needed for the new engine, and this will cost a pretty penny, who needs to increase its horsepower by 300 and lay out 30% of the cost of the whole car .
    1. Armata
      Armata 6 July 2013 09: 54 New
      +4
      Quote: cth; fyn
      If you put such an engine on the T-90, then the transmission will fly off through the 100-150 hours, therefore a new, more powerful transmission is needed for the new engine, and this will cost a pretty penny, who needs to increase its horsepower by 300 and lay out 30% of the cost of the whole car .
      And who said that this dvigun under T90? For him, he has his own engine, which fully satisfies not only Russia, but also most countries of buyers. And in general, what exactly are you not comfortable with in the B-84-1?
    2. mga04
      mga04 6 July 2013 10: 32 New
      -2
      With this replacement, they do not change the engine, but the MTO assembly. So this is done when upgrading the T-55 to the Typhoon version, similarly upgrading the T-72. At the same time, in some cases, the old rear part is simply cut off in the tank and a new one is welded, so it turns out cheaper and easier than redrawing the hull for a new MTO.
    3. svp67
      svp67 6 July 2013 13: 53 New
      0
      Quote: cth; fyn
      If you put such an engine on the T-90, the transmission will fly off through the 100-150 hours,

      Farfetched. The fact is that the transmissions of all Soviet tanks, of the third and fourth generation, are structurally similar, of course there are small differences, but they are not significant ... So I think installing this engine in a compartment with the BKP then the T80GDT is quite possible
  16. bootlegger
    bootlegger 6 July 2013 10: 02 New
    +2
    The resource of this engine is not clear. The engine must be not only powerful, but also reliable.
    You can create a highly boosted engine, but how long will it work in the field?
    1. Alexander D.
      Alexander D. 6 July 2013 14: 38 New
      0
      Quote: bootlegger
      The resource of this engine is not clear. The engine must be not only powerful, but also reliable.
      You can create a highly boosted engine, but how long will it work in the field?

      Initially created 5TD 500 hp On the T-64A they delivered 5TDF - 700 hp. On Bulat put 5TDFM - 850 hp On the T-64E, the 5TDFE is 900 hp. (with environmental safety standards for emissions of harmful substances into the atmosphere). On the T-72UA1 they put 5TDFMA - 1050 hp. And everything (starting from 850 hp) works normally and efficiently. The manufacturer gives a guarantee of 15000 km of run and 1000 km until the first scheduled preventive repair.
      1. svp67
        svp67 6 July 2013 15: 10 New
        +1
        Quote: Alexander D.
        The manufacturer gives a guarantee of 15000 km of run and 1000 km to the first scheduled preventive repair.

        I'd love to see a list of these works and who performs them ...
        1. Alexander D.
          Alexander D. 6 July 2013 23: 49 New
          0
          HKBD is engaged in development and serial production of ZiM.
  17. Navy7981
    Navy7981 6 July 2013 10: 03 New
    +5
    Here is one example that I have always talked about. In Ukraine, there is everything in order to become a powerful country! There are heads, hands, excellent climatic and geographical conditions! Well, why do you need somewhere, to reach for someone. Someone to take as a sample? And do not care about your own? Well done!
  18. s1н7т
    s1н7т 6 July 2013 10: 10 New
    0
    Development 5TD arr. 1957 laughing
    1. svp67
      svp67 6 July 2013 13: 56 New
      +2
      Quote: c1n7
      Development 5TD arr. 1957

      Just like the engines still installed on ALL Russian tanks - the development of the B2 (BD2) model of the 30's ... And what does this greatly hinder our tanks from moving?
      1. s1н7т
        s1н7т 6 July 2013 15: 23 New
        +1
        Shopipets, SW.svp67, and all of them are the development of the Rudi Diesel engine laughing But this does not stop the tanks, you are right. And B-2, by the way, was met at Shilki at the tank repair plant in Wünsdorf in 88th year, so I’m alive, a smoking-room! laughing
        1. svp67
          svp67 6 July 2013 15: 45 New
          0
          Quote: c1n7
          And B-2, by the way, met at "Shilki" at the tank repair plant in Wünsdorf year in 88, so that’s alive, a smoking-room!
          And where will he go, everything that is now installed on our tanks - and this is B46, B84, B92, B93 native children of B2.
      2. s1н7т
        s1н7т 6 July 2013 16: 01 New
        +1
        Shopipets, SW.svp67, and all of them are the development of the Rudi Diesel engine laughing But this does not stop the tanks, you are right. And B-2, by the way, was met at Shilki at the tank repair plant in Wünsdorf in 88th year, so I’m alive, a smoking-room! laughing
  19. Naval
    Naval 6 July 2013 10: 12 New
    +3
    The possibility of supplying these engines for the modernization of Russian tanks of the T-72 series was previously discussed.
    Customs duties due to Ukraine’s non-entry into the Customs Union will go through the roof, I think Russia is closed for high-tech products from Ukraine.
  20. Body
    Body 6 July 2013 10: 27 New
    +3
    And why don’t they use gas turbine engines, which still howl? They write that they have a small loss of power at high temperature.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 6 July 2013 11: 25 New
      +1
      Gluttonous and problematic. They have their advantages and disadvantages, but, according to most tank builders, the disadvantages outweigh the advantages.
      1. svp67
        svp67 6 July 2013 16: 05 New
        +1
        Quote: Pimply
        They have their advantages and disadvantages, but, according to most tank builders, the disadvantages outweigh the advantages.
        they have one, but a very big drawback - it is OTHER, in order to establish its production, it is necessary to rebuild everything, in this regard 2В2 is still more conservative ...
  21. Pimply
    Pimply 6 July 2013 11: 29 New
    +2
    Well, not bad. An 1500-powerful mocha engine, for example, weighs 1900.
    1. svp67
      svp67 6 July 2013 13: 57 New
      0
      Quote: Pimply
      Well, not bad. An 1500-powerful mocha engine, for example, weighs 1900.
      Foreign engines have a lot of duplicated systems, which is not on our ...
  22. MRomanovich
    MRomanovich 6 July 2013 12: 05 New
    +2
    Quote: Body
    And why don’t they use gas turbine engines, which still howl? They write that they have a small loss of power at high temperature.

    they are not used, not because they have more shortcomings than advantages, but because Boriska ordered it, which was ordered by the American comrades, who themselves could not and cannot still do normal gas turbine engines, but we could.
    1. Alexander D.
      Alexander D. 6 July 2013 14: 41 New
      -2
      Only one BUT is the cost of producing one gas turbine engine as 10 diesel. Do you have money to send to battle under a hundred "gold tanks" ???
      1. svp67
        svp67 6 July 2013 22: 52 New
        0
        Quote: Alexander D.
        Only one BUT is the cost of producing one gas turbine engine as 10 diesel. Do you have money to send to battle under a hundred "gold tanks" ???

        Interesting rates. And what brand of 10 diesels? YaMZ, then probably. When we were given different numbers at the school. Something of a kind - 1 GTD1100 = 4 B46, 1 5TDF = 2,5 B46
        1. Alexander D.
          Alexander D. 6 July 2013 23: 52 New
          -1
          Propaganda in the USSR worked. And despite the fact that we lived in the Union, there was a real war between manufacturers. Accordingly, it spread to tank schools. HCBM and UVZ still do not favor each other. 72 are praised in Russia, 64 in Ukraine.
        2. s1н7т
          s1н7т 7 July 2013 02: 58 New
          0
          Are you a tanker? Help refresh my memory - it seems to me stubbornly that a B-72B was on some of the 46s, but there is no mention of this anywhere. Does sclerosis fail?
  23. dustycat
    dustycat 6 July 2013 12: 44 New
    0
    And yet again, a meeting person, not Khrebnik ...
    But GTD is still better.
    1. s1н7т
      s1н7т 7 July 2013 03: 06 New
      0
      Quote: dustycat
      And GTD is still better

      I have comrades who served in the 80s, also think so drinks
  24. Body
    Body 6 July 2013 14: 23 New
    +1
    I read about gas turbine engines - their plus in the mass / power ratio is less mass, more power. But minus them in low efficiency. That is, they eat more fuel.

    In our T80 and American Abrams are gas turbine engines.
    Abandoned them, it seems due to uneconomical.

    It is clear why the abrams is so “flying” - the gas turbine engine allows you to get more power with smaller sizes. But the fuel eats exorbitantly.
  25. gladiatorakz
    gladiatorakz 6 July 2013 14: 55 New
    +1
    Well done, Kharkiv! Preserved scientific potential.
  26. AlexxxNik
    AlexxxNik 6 July 2013 15: 19 New
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    the diesel is probably not bad, but the oncoming circuit at startup is critically sensitive to the speed of rotation of the crankshaft and the condition of the piston group, and even one of the pair, i.e. for our winters, this is a reinforced preheating, to completely dilute the oil, an excellent battery, which is also warmed up, well, no mess with piston cases. Again, the quality of the required oils and their consumption will not be weak
    1. svp67
      svp67 6 July 2013 15: 50 New
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      That's right. It remains to add - higher requirements for the air purification system, which requires the installation of a larger and more powerful air purifier, since the air consumption in two-stroke diesel engines is greater and the cleaning requirements are slightly higher.
  27. AlexxxNik
    AlexxxNik 6 July 2013 15: 29 New
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    the diesel is probably not bad, but the oncoming circuit at startup is critically sensitive to the speed of rotation of the crankshaft and the condition of the piston group, and even one of the pair, i.e. for our winters, this is a reinforced preheating, to completely dilute the oil, an excellent battery, which is also warmed up, well, no mess with piston cases. Again, the quality of the required oils and their consumption will not be weak
  28. MRomanovich
    MRomanovich 6 July 2013 16: 39 New
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    Quote: Alexander D.
    Only one BUT is the cost of producing one gas turbine engine as 10 diesel. Do you have money to send to battle under a hundred "gold tanks" ???

    um-um, well, so the T-90s are as if they are made entirely of pure gold and no one is sad about it
  29. MRomanovich
    MRomanovich 6 July 2013 16: 56 New
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    Quote: Body
    I read about gas turbine engines - their plus in the mass / power ratio is less mass, more power. But minus them in low efficiency. That is, they eat more fuel.

    In our T80 and American Abrams are gas turbine engines.
    Abandoned them, it seems due to uneconomical.

    in order to abandon something, you can find any reason and inflate it. Sometimes this can go to the point of absurdity, such as "it's hard to aim against the sun." What happened with the T-80 and the gas turbine engine, including - this is a pure policy, and not something technical. In a word, instead of modifying a more perfect and promising one, they decided to modernize and extend the obviously weaker one.
    1. Argon
      Argon 6 July 2013 22: 46 New
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      Well, don’t get so excited, as far as I know, the main reason for the decision (negative) regarding the development / modernization of tanks with gas turbine engines was their high cost, both of the model itself and the cost of the life cycle. So, we chose a hat for Senka. I can tell the article a rigged PROVOCATION, what kind of modernization of the T-90 are we talking about? Did Cocaine Dreams come back from the HHLP again? After Ukraine sold the tanks to Pakistan (remember how pathetically this resale was presented ), The Indian market is tightly closed for it. Undoubtedly, the design potential of Ukraine, in the tank industry, is quite high, but the production base raises questions. All this is aggravated by disgusting marketing and unstable general political situation. Under these conditions, rely on a serious partner in the field of military-technical cooperation , Ukraine does not have to. What the situation with the "Pakistan contract" demonstrated in general out of two possible "producers" Pakistan chose the Chinese (for further joint development and production).
  30. 128mgb
    128mgb 6 July 2013 18: 27 New
    +1
    Our school is Soviet. And mastery, as they say, is independent.
  31. PValery53
    PValery53 7 July 2013 02: 13 New
    +1
    Perhaps, in vain, the branch with the further development of the gas turbine engine was “chopped off”? - “Such as you, craftsmen, you will not find in the whole world,” they could have made a candy from the gas turbine engine.
  32. darksoul
    darksoul 7 July 2013 19: 17 New
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    Well done, what can I say
  33. Starover_Z
    Starover_Z 7 July 2013 19: 45 New
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    And let the same Indians try to replace and drive out the tank in a small batch in a small batch in full, as with a purchase! So all at once it would become clear whether the engine was standing still or just “bamboo in the track rollers T-90S”! And then we argue here about the qualities of a "cat in a poke."
  34. sergey158-29
    sergey158-29 15 July 2013 01: 32 New
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    Congratulations good , let's see how it is in operation! drinks
  35. anoha
    anoha 10 October 2013 18: 54 New
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    ICE for any vehicle

    A modernized, classic, piston, 4 × 6-cylinder, 4 × 2-stroke automobile engine has been developed, the design features of the cylinder block of which allow the piston group of 4 or 6 pistons to work SIMULTANEOUSLY, according to the principle of operation of a single-cylinder internal combustion engine, i.e. all together in all 4 or 2 cycles of operation from ONE combustion chamber. The combustion chamber, by virtue of its design features, allows the combustible mixture to perform an WORK for approximately 99%, i.e. to burn - while working, and not to fly out into the tube in the form of CO2, because for a complete and dynamic combustion of the mixture both space and time are needed than does not have a standard internal combustion engine, BUT ..., it has my internal combustion engine. With this design of the cylinder block, the total piston stroke (if you take a standard internal combustion engine with a piston stroke of about 80 mm) will be 320 mm. Investigator, the longer the piston stroke, the higher the indicator Efficiency - ICE will be quiet and long lasting, as shown by marine engines on sea liners, etc. In my engine, the stroke of each piston is INDIVIDUAL, depending on the requested technical characteristics, if the stroke of one piston is 40 mm, then the total is 160 mm, if 50 mm, then 200, if 60 mm, then 240, well, etc.
    The sum of the elementary work of the piston group allows to SUMME the FORCE-FORCE of the impact on the common shaft. Again, due to the design features of the engine, having the gear block mechanism, the force of each cylinder-piston on the common shaft will be correlated as 2/1, which means doubling the force forces. These forces we also have the right to SUM. The total shaft of the block of gears, in turn, again, depending on the requested technical characteristics, having the effect on it of the TOTAL force of the piston group, already as 1 / with a different rating, it’s like example to 5 10 15 20, transmits the moment of force or speed, thereby having the opportunity to align the power to the IDEAL-power with the torque, which in turn will make the ICE ELASTIC. The currently proposed developments of various engines do not have the geometry of the design of the piston group and the engine as a whole, in which (m), as in mine, the law of conservation (and propagation) of the energy of compressed, combustible gases would work in a natural way, therefore any increase in efficiency, processes in cycles in the PRINCIPLE is NOT POSSIBLE !!!
    This is a waste of time and money.

    I have a complete package of concepts and their detailed description, and a description of the work.

    Engineer-mechanical engineer Anatoly. My email address [email protected]

    Write, offer, ask, refute. Everyone and always happy.
  36. anoha
    anoha 10 October 2013 19: 22 New
    0
    Upgraded piston engine


    A modernized, classic, piston, 4 × 6-cylinder, 4 × 2-stroke automobile engine has been developed, the design features of the cylinder block of which allow the piston group of 4 or 6 pistons to work SIMULTANEOUSLY, according to the principle of operation of a single-cylinder internal combustion engine, i.e. all together in all 4 or 2 cycles of operation from ONE combustion chamber. The combustion chamber, by virtue of its design features, allows the combustible mixture to perform an WORK for approximately 99%, i.e. to burn - while working, and not to fly out into the tube in the form of CO2, because for a complete and dynamic combustion of the mixture both space and time are needed than does not have a standard internal combustion engine, BUT ..., it has my internal combustion engine. With this design of the cylinder block, the total piston stroke (if you take a standard internal combustion engine with a piston stroke of about 80 mm) will be 320 mm. Investigator, the longer the piston stroke, the higher the indicator Efficiency - ICE will be quiet and long lasting, as shown by marine engines on sea liners, etc. In my engine, the stroke of each piston is INDIVIDUAL, depending on the requested technical characteristics, if the stroke of one piston is 40 mm, then the total is 160 mm, if 50 mm, then 200, if 60 mm, then 240, well, etc.
    The sum of the elementary work of the piston group allows to SUMME the FORCE-FORCE of the impact on the common shaft. Again, due to the design features of the engine, having the gear block mechanism, the force of each cylinder-piston on the common shaft will be correlated as 2/1, which means doubling the force forces. These forces we also have the right to SUM. The total shaft of the block of gears, in turn, again, depending on the requested technical characteristics, having the effect on it of the TOTAL force of the piston group, already as 1 / with a different rating, it’s like example to 5 10 15 20, transmits the moment of force or speed, thereby having the opportunity to align the power to the IDEAL-power with the torque, which in turn will make the ICE ELASTIC. The currently proposed developments of various engines do not have the geometry of the design of the piston group and the engine as a whole, in which (m), as in mine, the law of conservation (and propagation) of the energy of compressed, combustible gases would work in a natural way, therefore any increase in efficiency, processes in cycles in the PRINCIPLE is NOT POSSIBLE !!!
    This is a waste of time and money.

    I have a complete package of concepts and their detailed description, and a description of the work.

    Engineer-mechanical engineer Anatoly. My email address [email protected]