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Chechnya is "separated" before the Sochi Olympics

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Chechen Republic. Urus-Martan district. The village of Tangi-Chu. The soldiers of the Internal Troops found a group of militants, whose representatives, in response to the offer to surrender, opened fire on the servicemen of the troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. In the ensuing firefight and in the course of the pursuit of militants rushing into the woods, one soldier was killed, one was wounded by a Kalashnikov assault rifle, two others were blown up by mines exposed by bandits, receiving serious injuries.
Chechen Republic. Shatoy district. The outskirts of the village Harsenoy. The fierce battle between the police and representatives of illegal armed groups lasted about a day. As a result of the battle, two policemen were killed, seventeen were injured of varying degrees of severity.


These events coincided with the speeches of Doku Umarov, the leader of the so-called “Emirate of the Caucasus”, who announced the start of a campaign to disrupt the Sochi Olympics.

Chechnya is "separated" before the Sochi Olympics


I urge every Mujahid, wherever he is - in Tatarstan, Bashkortostan or in the Caucasus - to make maximum efforts on the path of Allah to disrupt these satanic dances on the bones of our ancestors.
At the same time, Umarov “reminded” the Russians that the representatives of the “Emirate of the Caucasus”, it turns out, for a long time maintained the moratorium on terrorist acts in Russia. Now, the moratorium is being lifted, since, according to Umarov himself, the Russian authorities quote: “today they do not understand kindness - they consider kindness to be a weakness”.

It turns out that all this time Mr. Umarov was literally paternal (fraternal) kind to all of us, because he “forbade” his minions to undertake terrorist attacks against the population of the country. What a boundless kindness to all of us, it turns out, was a man ... But this is the very “good-natured” Umarov, who a couple of years ago (in 2011 year) ranked the entire Russian civilian population as personal enemies, taking responsibility for the bloody terrorist attack at the Moscow airport "Domodevo". The same "good-natured" Umarov, who at one time called himself the president of free Ichkeria and gave orders for the massacre of the civilian population, which was in favor of driving the militants out of Chechnya. That same “good-natured” Umarov, through which Qatari and Saudi financing of extremists in the North Caucasus was conducted and, obviously, continues to flow. His kindness has no limits ...

By the way, you should turn to the recent historical retrospectively and recall that in connection with this, Mr. Umarov announced a so-called moratorium on terrorist acts in various regions of the Russian Federation. So, recall. This moratorium was announced in early February 2012. Why at this moment? The answer is simple: because it was at this time that Russia to a certain extent was seething with all kinds of opposition actions in which the puppeteers of Mr. Umarov saw an opportunity to achieve their goals. To achieve what is called small forces and means. Sit back on the sidelines, and wait for what the crowd will do, and then manifest itself in the form of "democratizers" following the example of Libya or Syria.

It was in early February last year that Umarov himself declared that he, he says, saw in Russia a manifestation of civil protest processes directed against the course of the Russian authorities. At the same time, the first words appeared about the moratorium on terrorist actions.

But, as we understand, much in the plans of Umarov, or rather, in the plans of those who use this figure in their own interests, did not grow together, and therefore have to play back. Acting out lies in the fact that Umarov declares the lifting of the moratorium ... And what, this moratorium by the militants, fueled by "dirty" financing, was also implemented? An endless series of terrorist attacks in Dagestan, constant reports of clashes with militants in Ingushetia, Kabardino-Balkaria - are these also manifestations of Umarov’s moratorium? Or Mr. Umarov simply takes a lot on himself, trying to convince everyone (and himself too) that he, and only he, can afford to exercise control over North Caucasian extremist groups. The delusions of grandeur against the background of an even more serious mental illness ...

In a peculiar form, without constraining himself in expressions, the head of Chechnya Ramzan Kadyrov expressed his answer (in absentia) to Umarov:
I watched the recording (Umarov - approx. Author), by his appearance it is clear that he hid and otlelyivaetsya somewhere. The little rat is a little rat, so what else can you expect from it? ..


At the same time, Kadyrov added that Russia is ready for holding competitions of the highest level, which cannot be liked by the enemies of Russia, using, among other things, such a “tool” as Doku Umarov. Earlier, Kadyrov had already stated that he would be very upset if Umarov could die his own death ...

So, the "moratorium" of Umarov is canceled. What can the North Caucasus region expect after this statement by the leader of the underground gangs in the Caucasus? It can be assumed that additional security forces will be transferred to the territory of the North Caucasus, which will extract, as Ramzan Kadyrov put it, the rat soot out of their holes and violate the plans of those who are trying to use a big sports festival as an opportunity to achieve their goals of “democratization”. »Another region on the political map of the world.

Quote from the official online resource of the National Anti-Terrorism Committee:
Despite periodically quoted in the media appeals of various leaders of gangs operating in certain regions of the North Caucasus, all government agencies, special services and law enforcement agencies of the Russian Federation are constantly implementing a set of measures aimed at ensuring the safety of Russian citizens. Particular attention is paid, including the preparation and conduct of major international sports events.


It is noteworthy that at this very moment “Levada Center” publishes the results of a reasonably interesting poll, which is designed to reveal the attitude of the Russians (the respondents of the Russian population) to the withdrawal of Chechnya from the Russian Federation. It is an interesting survey, and its result is also interesting. Levada Center claims that 51% of Russians (what an interesting number, isn't it ...) in one way or another support the separation of the Chechen Republic from Russia. At the same time, 24% of respondents advocate precisely for separation, and even 27% will not mind if such separation takes place.
This time, the Levada Center even announces the reasons why the “majority” of Russians speak of the need for secession of Chechnya. Let us list these reasons: the work of the Chechen police in other Russian regions, shooting weddings in the Russian capital, the behavior of the “guests” from Chechnya in other subjects of the federation, the privileges enjoyed by Chechnya.

Well, Levada Center conducted a typical survey, and concocted the same results that were digestible. Well, in fact, how can a representative of a “cohort” of foreign agents announce that the majority of Russians are in favor of preserving the integrity of the country and jointly solving the accumulated problems. This is somehow, sorry for the clumsy expression, not "agent-based" ...

Apparently, the closer the opening day of the Sochi Olympics comes, the more such polls will appear with similar results, the more time the same rat sockets will spend “on the air”, practicing the funds coming from the hands of the main “democratizers” from among the “free” states Arabian Peninsula.
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  1. Shadowcat
    Shadowcat 8 July 2013 06: 53 New
    62
    Ehehe, history teaches us that we do not learn anything. Want to play with a gun? so you need to understand the responsibility for this game. At the request did not put - do not be offended that they will shoot, in order to avoid so to speak.
    What am I talking about the story? I recall Berlin 45th. When a large number of gangs divorced in the ruined city, which were sponsored by the Allies and, after committing various attacks, took refuge in the territory of the Allies, and they shrugged their shoulders to say we don’t know.
    The commandant took just two companies of fighters, took the language and went "neighborly" to visit and took the lair with a full-fledged military assault. All. After such a demonstration, the allies themselves issued only as soon as the commandant hinted at this.
    Something like this.
    1. w.ebdo.g
      w.ebdo.g 8 July 2013 09: 43 New
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      Apparently, the amers decided to postpone Syria "for later", but for now they are transferring the surviving militants to the Caucasus to create a guerrilla war. Time is running out for them, in their plans to quickly create a "big nix". And you can not let your athletes go to the Olympics under the guise of security, and at the same time try to organize problems for Russia so that it is discouraging to go against the will of the United States. So that everyone around the world can see what happens to rebellious countries, otherwise the authority of the amers has been greatly shaken over the past year ...
      well, well, they will have to "jam" using the experience of Syria.
      As Putin once said, "whoever did not hide, I am not to blame ..."
      I think so.
      1. silver_roman
        silver_roman 8 July 2013 11: 30 New
        15
        a good picture, the shooting gallery directly reminds me ... I hope Kadyrov is not unfounded ...
        and about the Olympics: we don’t get used to it at the expense of its blockade or pathetic attempt, at one time the USSR came across similar things in the 80s ... and nothing, they did it, of course there was a screech ...
        we probably would have had even more intrigues and refusals to participate ... so to speak, they would have once again seen the enemy in the face ... although we already know him better than anyone, but the main thing is AGAIN that is to show everything to the same China India. The time of a bipolar world has passed, and a unipolar world is passing ... the one who unites the puppets into a circle will win, and the one who gathers around himself, on the basis of respect and equality, peoples - nations - civilizations ... so our battle is yet to come!
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 8 July 2013 11: 32 New
          13
          Quote: silver_roman
          a good picture, the shooting gallery directly reminds me ... I hope Kadyrov is not unfounded ...

          The head of Chechnya, Ramzan Kadyrov, announced the destruction of Rustam Saliyev, known by the nickname Abu Muslim, RIA Novosti reports.

          “In the Shatoi region, during the special operation, the so-called emir of bandits who committed crimes on the territory of the Achkhoy-Martan district, Rustam Saliev, was destroyed,” Kadyrov said.

          During the special operation, none of the policemen was injured, the head of the republic noted.
          1. silver_roman
            silver_roman 8 July 2013 11: 50 New
            +9
            welcome, Alibek!
            Kadyrov is paid serious money, extremely serious, so he simply has to tear them with his bare hands!
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 8 July 2013 12: 00 New
              12
              Quote: silver_roman
              Kadyrov is paid serious money, extremely serious, so he simply has to tear them with his bare hands!

              Hello Roman!
              Do you think others did not pay ???
              Here I am convinced the question is not in money, but in personal relationships!
              Revenge for the father and of course blogging for trust on the part of Putin!
              Putin managed to take it with his attitude!
              1. silver_roman
                silver_roman 8 July 2013 12: 10 New
                +5
                Putin managed to take it with his attitude!

                I personally cannot be sure of this.
                Agree, if good relations are established, there is no need to back them up with a "mountain of gold", and I think it is no secret how generous and, I would say, exceptional funding Kadyrov receives.
                They paid by themselves to everyone, but apparently not everyone was missing ...
                1. Recon
                  Recon 8 July 2013 18: 20 New
                  +3
                  He, in fact, is paid for what he brought, which is no, but the order on this God-forgotten land. Kadyrov and his former bandits in parliament are better than complete chaos and devastation. They took power in one way or another, why should they now fight with the Russians, who feed and sing and dress them? Few people want to die for Allah unnecessarily.
                  1. silver_roman
                    silver_roman 8 July 2013 18: 30 New
                    0
                    this is all maybe, but as I wrote before: if funding suddenly stops flowing or needs increase, what will happen then? or if, as they wrote, too, Kadyrov is "removed" ?? Who then will hold this whole hive ???
                    Friendship is not built on financial gain ... all this is very precarious, but we know the generosity of our overseas partners ... we pay them a lot of money, but Americans can pay them a lot of money and then ...
              2. ostrovpan
                ostrovpan 8 July 2013 16: 08 New
                +8
                an interesting point of view - Revenge for the father and of course blogging for trust on the part of Putin!
                and where in Russia is revenge for the fathers who died in Chechnya !? In any city, even in Moscow, they feel like owners! Why drove people below the baseboard ?! everyone looks away at any rudeness of the Caucasian, they hide their eyes, it’s not my business. Some are busy preserving and increasing their capital (rudeness doesn’t reach such a high level. To scam too high). others (the majority) barely make ends meet (and these will bother and endure)

                Kadyrov is paid serious money, extremely serious, so he simply has to tear them with his bare hands!
                and those who are obliged to tear them up, with so much serious money, behave like masters in our country! they can do everything! and the Russians rub off
                1. Grishka100watt
                  Grishka100watt 8 July 2013 23: 43 New
                  +1
                  In any city, even in Moscow, they feel like masters

                  this is their competitive advantage, they are always for each other.
                  everyone looks away at any Caucasian rudeness
                  This is because we, unfortunately, do not have such a feature.
                  they can do everything! and the Russians rub off
                  they can be as much as others allow them. Well, well, apparently, there is no other way out than how to attach a policeman with a gun to every vulnerable citizen. You can write about this personally to Putin.
            2. w.ebdo.g
              w.ebdo.g 8 July 2013 15: 09 New
              +8
              good humor ...
              good mood to all!
            3. Recon
              Recon 8 July 2013 18: 18 New
              +1
              not only the Kadyrovtsy work there, although, I must admit, they are well prepared, and their provision is beyond praise ..
          2. Black Colonel
            Black Colonel 8 July 2013 13: 34 New
            +1
            Once I went to the site of Hardingush, and so there was infa that young "cadres" are more likely to climb into the emirs, apparently for show-off. And more "mature" comrades prefer not to stand out in order to live longer.
            1. Recon
              Recon 8 July 2013 18: 23 New
              +3
              And there is. "Emir" is generally a fairly conventional "privilege", he can be the leader over just a couple of the same brainwashed donkeys. But EMIR, Emana ..
        2. Apologet insane
          Apologet insane 8 July 2013 17: 40 New
          +1
          There are pictures where Ramzan himself with such bearded men in an embrace. Twice overstepped - first to them, then back. So he is still a hero.
          1. S_mirnov
            S_mirnov 8 July 2013 17: 43 New
            +8
            Self-determination of the population in relation to Nokhcho has already begun in Pugachev
            http://lenta.ru/news/2013/07/08/pugachev2/
            http://demotivation.me/o4inv18h1unapic.html#t8808798
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qcIUC4u1uY
    2. KazaK Bo
      KazaK Bo 8 July 2013 15: 14 New
      +6
      Quote: ShadowCat
      The commandant took just two companies of fighters, took the language and went "neighborly" to visit

      The hint is very transparent and has a right to exist, especially after the events of August 8 in the South. Ossetia. Non-traditional actions are sometimes very effective. At one time, our UN workers in New York, despite the fact that they lived in a separate fenced house and guarded by the police, in the morning they all had ATO tires punctured ... There was only one answer to our protests: "In the city, like everywhere, there are bandits. We are trying to catch! " More than 10 days have heard this answer! Then, unexpectedly, American diplomats in Moscow, on the same closed territory, also had not punctured, but cut tires! We immediately received a protest from the US Embassy. To which the answer followed: "Bandits, you know. They are everywhere - both in New York ... and in Moscow." The next morning, our UN diplomats stopped depressing their wheels. Such unconventional methods of diplomacy ... for the armed defense of our territory even in the PANKIAN Gorge of Georgia at the Umarov bases, since SAAKASHVILI only encourages, and does not fight with them, probably only to strengthen our security.
      Or do we no longer have helicopters and special forces?
      1. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 8 July 2013 16: 35 New
        +6
        Quote: KazaK Bo
        even in the PANKIY gorge of Georgia at the bases of Umarov

        Vacuum bombs should be periodically dropped there.
        1. orff
          orff 8 July 2013 17: 31 New
          +1
          but I didn’t understand: the USA didn’t go to the Universiade in Kazan?
          I look at the medal standings - and there are no mattresses there.
          http://kazan2013.ru/ru/st_events/medals
          Is it Sochi 2014 Sochi rehearsing?
          1. d_trader
            d_trader 10 July 2013 20: 07 New
            0
            He came for sure, but why it’s not really strange in the standings ...
      2. combat192
        combat192 8 July 2013 17: 31 New
        +1
        I’ll correct it a bit: the gorge - PANKISSKOE (from the name of the n. P. PANKISI)
      3. Cossack23
        Cossack23 8 July 2013 18: 28 New
        -1
        dismissed our special forces and youths for a year can only learn how to wear a uniform
      4. Theophanes
        Theophanes 8 July 2013 19: 45 New
        +2
        "Or do we no longer have helicopters and special forces?" It's not about special forces and helicopters. Where Umarov is sitting right in Londaper. And his Anglo-American friends will never give us up to us! And only the great or the liber (Svanidze, for example) can cluck to the whole great Russia that they are deceitful, and therefore they can say to us what is good and what is bad! And we are under the visor and at attention in the rack "What will you please?" These Gestapo men cannot be trusted in anything and anywhere! All these democratic Western heads of independent countries know how to bark well at the command of the Americans and lick their anal sex. The West drives such money to the Umarovs that the bandits will be there for a long time. Until we close the border securely. Borders must be fixed!
    3. Hunghuz
      Hunghuz 8 July 2013 18: 10 New
      +1
      hi Right now, the spirit of Saidad Buryat and Mohammed Yakutsky is reanimated again ??? maybe Svidomo Yurka Yekhanurov with a tight fit?
    4. honest jew
      honest jew 8 July 2013 21: 50 New
      +1
      Umarov is such a Russian elusive Bin Laden! Who does he serve and why is this another question ...
  2. 12061973
    12061973 8 July 2013 07: 07 New
    18
    after Sochi 14, Kadyrov himself may not be greeted by many Caucasian princes, like the feds planned a big purge in the Caucasus in the spring and summer.
    1. FC SKIF
      FC SKIF 8 July 2013 07: 20 New
      18
      This will affect Kadyrov’s last; he has become too indispensable.
      1. INTER
        INTER 8 July 2013 08: 03 New
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        They are complaining about the people, but in reality they are doing their work. The scenarios of the Arab world should not go through here!
      2. Asgard
        Asgard 8 July 2013 09: 49 New
        13
        Well, I think that Ramzan is not a tenant (lived))) they will get him like his father and it will be the same People ... mad can only be shot (can not be cured))
        This applies to all militants, they are not fighting the state, they are killing civilians ...
        us with you, our Popes and Moms, Kids and our good friends ...
        unfortunately this is what our state is doing - the explosions in Kashirka, Buinaksk, Volgodonsk, the failed terrorist attack in Ryazan (where the committee members were caught and they later declared, they say, this is a doctrine))) - one can feel behind the militants and FSB agents there is one "director" ... "the root of the problem.....

        All over the world there is a destabilization with de-mobilization ...
        Russia is no exception ...
        Money wasted irrationally, all RUSSIAN ECONOMY was given to a non-Russian person, a Russian person on HIS EARTH is a slave ......
        wage labor and its payment is a veiled form of slavery .....

        Only one way out is seen ... and the population is pushing him ...
        by all means .... although, it hasn't been enough time, they didn't manage to make "de * beels" from the Russians (although there are almost all DEs in the west)))
        there is a chance to conduct a "different scenario" ..
        (but already without ramzan))))
        1. Andrey Skokovsky
          Andrey Skokovsky 8 July 2013 17: 30 New
          +2
          Quote: Asgard
          Well, I think that Ramzan is not a tenant (lived))) they will get him like his father and it will be the same People ... mad can only be shot (can not be cured))
          This applies to all militants, they are not fighting the state, they are killing civilians ...
          us with you, our Popes and Moms, Kids and our good friends ...
          unfortunately this is what our state is doing - the explosions in Kashirka, Buinaksk, Volgodonsk, the failed terrorist attack in Ryazan (where the committee members were caught and they later declared, they say, this is a doctrine))) - one can feel behind the militants and FSB agents there is one "director" ... "the root of the problem.....

          All over the world there is a destabilization with de-mobilization ...
          Russia is no exception ...
          Money wasted irrationally, all RUSSIAN ECONOMY was given to a non-Russian person, a Russian person on HIS EARTH is a slave ......
          wage labor and its payment is a veiled form of slavery .....

          Only one way out is seen ... and the population is pushing him ...
          by all means .... although, it hasn't been enough time, they didn't manage to make "de * beels" from the Russians (although there are almost all DEs in the west)))
          there is a chance to conduct a "different scenario" ..
          (but already without ramzan))))


          you wrote an emotionally annoying mess of speculation of juggling and lying.
        2. Recon
          Recon 8 July 2013 18: 27 New
          0
          in the foreseeable future, the federals will definitely not merge Ramzanchik; for now, he is a very necessary figure on this large chessboard.
      3. Black Colonel
        Black Colonel 8 July 2013 13: 35 New
        +3
        The king, as you know, is played by a retinue.
      4. Onotollah
        Onotollah 8 July 2013 18: 08 New
        +3
        Quote: FC Skif
        he became too indispensable.

        "There are no irreplaceable people" I. Stalin.
      5. dustycat
        dustycat 8 July 2013 23: 33 New
        +1
        Pa blew up despite the protection of the FSB ...
        What prevents the son also ...
        There are many mines left on the roads lying around ..
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 8 July 2013 08: 01 New
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      Quote: 12061973
      after Sochi 14, Kadyrov himself may not be greeted by many Caucasian princes, like the feds planned a big purge in the Caucasus in the spring and summer.

      What happens? Will they take someone off? And now, that SOCHI interferes with cleaning wink
      Umarov cancels the maratorium .... was there a maratorium? Just clamping them is not sickly and carrying out terrorist attacks is more difficult. Hence the maratorium, to report to those who sponsor.
      1. 12061973
        12061973 8 July 2013 08: 28 New
        +4
        there may be a decrease in funding and tight control over the use of funds, a decrease in personal power under the lawless and brutal government and many will not like it and they will resist, but they don’t want to touch these spiders before the games.
        1. INTER
          INTER 8 July 2013 09: 34 New
          +1
          Quote: 12061973
          funding reduction may occur

          I think it is necessary to take control of financial receipts from outside and replenish the country's budget. Secondly, the precinct and authorities to suppress actions aimed at laundering money from entrepreneurs. Thirdly, to bring order to the facts of the sale of weapons and ammunition within the country. Unconditional dominance in the information field of the country. The fight against corruption, the operation with Amirov is indicative.
          1. 12061973
            12061973 8 July 2013 10: 04 New
            +4
            Quote: INTER
            I think it is necessary to take control of financial receipts from outside and replenish the country's budget. Secondly, the precinct and authorities to suppress actions aimed at laundering money from entrepreneurs. Thirdly, to bring order to the facts of the sale of weapons and ammunition within the country. Unconditional dominance in the information field of the country. The fight against corruption, the operation with Amirov is indicative.

            it is very difficult to do, for many reasons, the same emirs when it is profitable for him with power, and when you need to eliminate a competitor, and there were a lot of them turned to Vakhs.
          2. Irtysh
            Irtysh 8 July 2013 11: 39 New
            15
            It’s time for Qatar to have a Qatar airway. Oddly enough in the world it will become easier to breathe.
          3. KazaK Bo
            KazaK Bo 8 July 2013 15: 21 New
            +4
            Quote: INTER
            under control financial receipts from outside

            ... financial revenues come primarily from internal sources ... business pays an additional tax to bandits This breaks very clearly between the lines in the reports on anti-terrorist operations in Dagestan .... Kabardino-Balkaria ...
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 8 July 2013 14: 24 New
          +1
          Quote: 12061973
          funding reduction may occur

          Or maybe not!
          Quote: 12061973
          but they don’t want to touch these spiders before the games.

          Let them steal yes, while grandmas swell fool
      2. 0251
        0251 8 July 2013 09: 55 New
        +6
        Can it be that our services cannot, in the same way as Dosaev via satellite, destroy Umarov. How much he has already done nasty things to Russia. It is necessary to water him and others like him in his own toilet.
        1. pav-pon1972
          pav-pon1972 8 July 2013 12: 37 New
          +8
          Not Dosaev - an Ossetian footballer and coach, but Dudaev ....
          1. KazaK Bo
            KazaK Bo 8 July 2013 15: 26 New
            +1
            Quote: pav-pon1972
            Not Dosaev - Ossetian football player

            ..and maybe a comrade decided to propose that the anti-Spartak operation be carried out? I thought about this and from here a slip ... FC Spartak got it already ...
          2. Captain45
            Captain45 8 July 2013 22: 09 New
            +2
            Quote: pav-pon1972
            Not Dosaev - Ossetian footballer and coach

            Renat Dasaev is the goalkeeper of Spartak and the USSR national team.
      3. baltika-18
        baltika-18 8 July 2013 09: 59 New
        +9
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Umarov cancels the maratorium .... was there a maratorium?

        Yes, he just had no money. And now, probably, the "chiefs" have opened the financing. That’s how it went .... but through the pipes.
        1. 12061973
          12061973 8 July 2013 10: 07 New
          +3
          Dokku doll, and his puppeteers in the Mossad and the Kremlin, such as groundhogs.
          1. smile
            smile 8 July 2013 16: 59 New
            +7
            12061973 SU
            That is, you believe that the Kremlin (and there, according to your words, the leader Surkov) leads the militants of the Caucasus together with the Jews? ... Yeah ... it’s simply amazing what the poor mental food can bring to the human mental apparatus ... . I express my condolences to your untimely dead brain ... how are you now with one dorsal? You see what kind of fucking they started to write ...
            1. shpuntik
              shpuntik 9 July 2013 02: 59 New
              0
              http://zadaviz.blogspot.ru/2012/03/2012-03-11_11.html
              Author: Anisimov I. Sh. Title: "Caucasian Jews-Highlanders" Year: 1888 Publisher: M., Printing House E. G. Potapov. Genre: History of the Caucasus / History of Mountain Jews / Historical and Ethnographic Research Language: Russian (pre-reform)

              smile (2) Yesterday, 16:59 p.m. ↑
              12061973 SU
              .. Daaaa ... it is simply amazing what poor quality food products can bring to the human mental apparatus ....

              Here, I apologize, I am forced, Vladimir, to insert a word. To complete the picture :-)
              Here, of course (12061973 SU) he scribbled it in large strokes, like Van Gogh or Mathis, whose absinthe was in high esteem, but which are also sold now for millions :-) And we will try to be sober and ripen at the root ...
              And then it may become clear why the Chechens among the Caucasians have always had a bandit image, why among the “Czechs” themselves the word “shepherd” has an offensive connotation.
              http://www.zaistinu.ru/articles/?aid=685
              Quote: from http://newsland.com/news/detail/id/983849/
              "In fact, the entire civil war in Russia was made by the Khazars only for one purpose, so that Russia would not start asking the question: who seized power in Russia in October 1917? Whose is it, the workers', peasants' and soldiers' power? To drag you is not to drag . "
              1. CTEPX
                CTEPX 9 July 2013 07: 53 New
                0
                Quote: shpuntik
                http://zadaviz.blogspot.ru/2012/03/2012-03-11_11.html

                Jewish rush)).
                1. shpuntik
                  shpuntik 9 July 2013 14: 20 New
                  +1
                  CTEPX Today, 07:53 ↑
                  http://zadaviz.blogspot.ru/2012/03/2012-03-11_11.html
                  Jewish rush)).


                  Lukmore-style article :-)
                  He gave the link, because the map from this site, I read this page (in full) later. Is there a claim to the card?
                  As for the "Jewish-Akhabi" rut, I partially agree. I was surprised to learn that Alexander Nevsky is a relative of Khan Batu. This is written by the "warriors" who revive the pre-Christian beliefs of the Slavs (Perun, Svarog, etc.). They usually declare: "My God, he did not call me a slave!"
                  Accordingly, they assure that Christian values ​​were invented by the same Jews, for the convenience of managing the goyim. Not realizing at the same time that for the Jews, Christianity is the first of evils. And not only for them.
                  1. CTEPX
                    CTEPX 9 July 2013 18: 29 New
                    +1
                    Quote: shpuntik
                    reviving pre-Christian beliefs of the Slavs

                    It's hard for me to argue). I am a supporter of the theory of catastrophes in its extreme manifestation, in particular, that extreme global catastrophes occurred about 2000 and 800 years ago)).
                    When applied to me, some "historical" postulates seem ridiculous, and some historical assumptions are correct).
                    For example, the fact that the Slavs are not a nation, but only the first followers, "glorifying" Christ)).
                    Try, as an assumption, to study historical probabilities anew, taking the theory of catastrophes as true - you will get unprecedented pleasure)).
                    1. shpuntik
                      shpuntik 9 July 2013 20: 54 New
                      +1
                      CTEPX Today, 18:29 ↑ New
                      Try, as an assumption, to study historical probabilities anew, taking the theory of catastrophes as true - you will get unprecedented pleasure)).

                      Theories are good when reinforced by practice :-)
                      Everything in the earth, in layers, lies in layers.
                      There is something that unites Russians with Germans, Poles, and others "not oblique": -) Personally, in this book I found a rational grain, the author is a geologist by education.
                      http://www.wco.ru/biblio/books/stephan1/main.htm
                      1. CTEPX
                        CTEPX 10 July 2013 17: 31 New
                        +1
                        Quote: shpuntik
                        Theories are good when reinforced by practice :-)

                        Quote: shpuntik
                        Everything in the earth, in layers, lies in layers.

                        And now, for example, in the ancient strata of ancient Tuva (Tyva) they find now perfectly preserved burial, full of ancient high-tech artifacts)).
                        Oh, this is the oldest prince of Tuva and his princess! The burial age is from 1,5 to 3,5 thousand years)). On both - gold chain mail from stamped thousands ... of mammoths and mammoths) (I saw them myself). Analysis of the remains unequivocally determined ethnicity - Russians).
                        http://images.yandex.ru/yandsearch?source=wiz&uinfo=sw-1522-sh-788-fw-1297-fh-58



                        2-pd-1&text=%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B6%D0%B0%D0%BD-2&noreask=1&pos=28&lr=62&rpt=simage&i



                        mg_url=http%3A%2F%2Fnnn.nat-geo.ru%2Fpic%2Fphotos%2F12%2F2712_l2.jpg
                        Arzhan-2)). Interesting?

                        According to the theory of catastrophes, Baikal, the Himalayas and Tuva, as well as my beloved Krasnoyarsk Pillars, appeared simultaneously, about 800 years ago)). During the beginning of the collapse of the Great Mughal Empire).
                        During the advent of modern India from modern Egypt to modern ... China)).
                      2. shpuntik
                        shpuntik 10 July 2013 22: 49 New
                        +1
                        CTEPX Today, 17:31 ↑
                        And now, for example, in the ancient strata of ancient Tuva (Tyva) they find now perfectly preserved burial, full of ancient high-tech artifacts)).

                        Thanks for the link. I heard about the princess, even a separate museum was made for her.
                        In general, I agree with historians who talk about artificially lowering the level of civilization and its antiquity, the one that was within the borders of modern Russia.
                        These politicians do not want a strong country.
    3. silver_roman
      silver_roman 8 July 2013 11: 44 New
      +1
      it wasn’t any kind of maroria ... all this rubbish is yet another attempt to intimidate potential participants of the Olympiad and foreign guests. and for someone to provide an excuse not to go there ...
      Ours simply already have an excellent idea of ​​who the militants are, and who is behind them ... and they are probably already fighting not with "crops, but with seeds."
      It would be high time for us to squeeze oil appendages like the UAE, etc. And then in general they have lost their conscience ...
      By the way, recently there was an article that perhaps the new Air Force and Navy bases created in Cyprus will provide for "pinching the tail" and a soft hint for the Gulf empires ... The combat radius of the Su-34 will more than cover all of them put together at once !!!
    4. Tersky
      Tersky 8 July 2013 13: 48 New
      +2
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      What happens?

      The banal change of some lovers to choke a freebie from the federal feeding trough, others ...
  3. Constantine
    Constantine 8 July 2013 09: 53 New
    +7
    Whoever and no matter what they say, but Kadyrov is an excellent leader for his people. In addition, in matters of combating militants, he and his team are extremely effective. They will clean those who do not agree to facilitate the capture of terrorists. As, for example, it was on the territory of the republics adjacent to Chechnya, when, if I remember correctly, the former head of Ingushetia personally attended the funeral of some militants, while it is forbidden to bury them in Chechnya, and relatives are not even told where their bodies are. It simply takes place to be sabotage in the work to eliminate gangs and recruiters by individual persons / groups of individuals. Here they will be cleaned. More precisely, they are already cleaning.
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 8 July 2013 09: 59 New
      +2
      Quote: Constantine
      Whoever and no matter what they say, but Kadyrov is an excellent leader for his people

      I agree with you!
      I always said that Kadyrov did more for Russia than many generals did!
      1. Black
        Black 8 July 2013 10: 11 New
        16
        Quote: Yarbay
        I always said that Kadyrov did more for Russia than many generals did!

        Let me disagree with you.
        A wolf dressed in goatskin does not cease to be a wolf.
        Kadyrov is a project of the corrupt Russian government under the real name "Russia's defeat in the Caucasian war." Hence the insolence of Caucasians, shooting weddings, "blooming" Chechnya, .... and the feeling of disgust in any normal Russian peasant and a clear understanding that "Chechnya" sooner or later will have to be taken !!!! And Askard is right - it is better earlier, for de-bilization is underway and is bearing fruit.
        1. Constantine
          Constantine 8 July 2013 10: 34 New
          +9
          Blooming Chechnya began when Rosneft came to the fields and began pumping oil from there. In terms of extracted, the average price per barrel of the corresponding brand for the year, looking at the last 10 years, at least Rosneft, which is state. company, received profits + gave taxes to the federal budget more than Chechnya received. The fact that Chechnya quickly recovered is a merit of Kadyrov and his team, who personally monitored the spending of funds and punished for cutting at the highest level. Understand the situation better, for starters. You can’t row all in one pile.
        2. Yarbay
          Yarbay 8 July 2013 10: 41 New
          +8
          Quote: Chen
          Let me disagree with you.
          A wolf dressed in goatskin does not cease to be a wolf.

          Your right!
          For me, the figure of Kadyrov as a person and leader is controversial!
          I don’t like part of what he did and does!
          But let's look at his actions!
          The fact that he did what many generals could not do!
          The fact is that thanks to him, much fewer coffins with Russian soldiers return to their homeland!
          And the most important fact is that he constantly declares that his republic is an inseparable part of Russia!
          The question is not who he was the day before! The question is who he is today!
          Quote: Chen
          Hence the insolence of Caucasians, shooting weddings, "flourishing" Chechnya

          This is already a question for law enforcement bodies and for the political leadership of your country!
          Quote: Chen
          that "Chechnya" sooner or later will have to TAKE !!!!
          I hope that this will not come to this!
          1. Black
            Black 8 July 2013 11: 28 New
            12
            Quote: Yarbay
            The question is not who he was the day before! The question is who he is today!


            You know, I am personally ready to forgive him "the day before yesterday". Who was not wrong. And now he "chops" with the rabble, and put on this fight and his life and the lives of loved ones. And success in the fight is obvious.
            I am not sure this path is correct. the Kremlin decided to win the war in ruble. A ruble paid to one clan to crush others. shaky basics, don't you find? In physics, this is called unstable equilibrium.
            If something happened to Kadyrov (physically. Or change the vector (it will blow away the roof from copper pipes, for example)), and what to look for a new "Kadyrov"?
            dead-end, cowardly decision of the temporary workers. "While we are rulim, we will unfasten, we will still earn, after us, let others decide."
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 8 July 2013 11: 35 New
              +1
              Quote: Chen
              I am not sure this path is correct.

              I, too, but no one has proposed and will not offer an alternative way!
              Quote: Chen
              If something happened to Kadyrov (physically. Or change the vector (it will blow away the roof from copper pipes, for example)), and what to look for a new "Kadyrov"?

              Apparently it will be so, especially now there are a lot of people already tied up with blood!
              It’s unlikely that anything can be changed!
              1. Black
                Black 8 July 2013 11: 49 New
                +4
                Quote: Yarbay
                Now there are many already tied to the blood!

                And every year this number will multiply.
                How long can the Caucasus be a metastasis in the body? Can a country live and develop with an eye on whether a "moratorium" has been declared by a ghoul or not? I think the chosen path is not a treatment, just a temporary relief of the problem.
                But in fact, an informal arrangement of the current federal and Chechen elites, according to which Moscow buys Chechen loyalty in exchange for non-resumption of hostilities, for Chechnya's facade loyalty to Russia and for support of the ruling all-Russian elites in the elections. T.O. requests not of Russia are executed.
                Kremlin workers will be replaced by Russians and the problem will have to be solved.
                1. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 8 July 2013 12: 06 New
                  0
                  Quote: Chen
                  Can a country live and develop with an eye on whether a "moratorium" has been declared by a ghoul or not?

                  Dear Sergey!
                  And what choice is there in the current state of affairs in your country ???
                  The big question of Chechnya and the problems of the entire North Caucasus cannot be resolved without a set of tough measures, first of all, without eradicating corruption and localism !! But it must be resolved nationwide and I am convinced that the political will of the leadership is enough!
                  But do they want ??
                  this is another question!
                  1. Black
                    Black 8 July 2013 12: 14 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Yarbay
                    But do they want ??
                    this is another question!

                    Dear Alibek!
                    This is a key phrase.
                2. MakSim51ru
                  MakSim51ru 10 July 2013 10: 43 New
                  0
                  Quote: Chen
                  How long can the Caucasus be a metastasis in the body? Can a country live and develop with an eye on whether a "moratorium" has been declared by a ghoul or not? I think the chosen path is not a treatment, just a temporary relief of the problem.


                  The whole thing is the determination of those in power. In the hardest time for the country, the Second World War found forces and means to radically solve the problem of banditry in Chechnya.
              2. Black
                Black 8 July 2013 12: 00 New
                13
                Quote: Yarbay
                It’s unlikely that anything can be changed!


                1. Chechnya essentially receives and lives from tribute.
                2. The state of parasitism and dependency rooted in this system among the Chechen ethnic group.
                3. The ethnopsychological features of the Chechen nation, the main occupation and source of honor and valor of which has historically been theft, raids, hostage, cannot be discounted.
                4. The actual withdrawal of Chechnya from the Russian state and legal field. For many years, the Constitution of the Russian Federation and Russian laws have not been operating in Chechnya, which is replaced by traditional pre-state forms of social self-organization and, of course, by the Sharia court.
                5. The reality of the principle of actual extraterritoriality and deferred immunity of representatives of Chechnya over Russian law. In accordance with these principles, Chechens a) can do anything in Russia, and if they hide in Chechnya, then no Russian justice will get them out of there.
                6. huge propaganda of ethnic superiority, which has been going on for decades at the household level in Chechnya.

                What conclusions should we draw from the above?

                a) Under formidable appeals on the topic of “sorting” and under the victorious reports of the security forces, actual Khasavyurt No. 2 took place in Chechnya and this territory actually ceased to be part of the Russian state space,

                b) solving the problem of Chechnya without abandoning informal agreements between federal and Chechen elites and without returning Chechnya to Russian and simply to some kind of universal human legal space is impossible,

                c) a new military operation with the existence of clan agreements is meaningless, because even if it is successful, the Chechens will be provided with the same conditions as now, which means the system itself will not change,

                d) when deciding to change the rules of relations with Chechnya, it is necessary to keep in mind the factor of the Sochi 2014 Olympics. The fact that the Olympics is a hostage to the Moscow-Grozny relationship and that in the event of a new Russian-Chechen complication, Chechen fighters will make every effort to destabilize the situation around the Olympics
                e) The current Chechnya, in its current situation, is harmful and dangerous to Russia's interests in the Caucasus. It spreads its metastases throughout the Caucasus, being for the Caucasian peoples, respecting power, an example of how “Moscow can be under Chechnya,” and for other nations - a symbol of the inequality of ethnic rights in the Russian Federation and ethnic injustice.
                1. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 8 July 2013 12: 12 New
                  0
                  Quote: Chen
                  Chechnya is essentially

                  In principle, you all have sensibly painted !!
                  Only about the Olympics do not agree !!
                  and paragraph 5 only confirms my idea that no one was looking for another solution!
                  1. Black
                    Black 8 July 2013 12: 21 New
                    +6
                    Quote: Yarbay
                    Point 5 only confirms my idea that no one was looking for another solution!

                    Dear Alibek. None of the elites in power. They, as temporary workers who do not connect their future and their families with Russia, are more than happy with the situation.
                    This resembles a situation when a very sick person begins to pump glucose through a vein, passing it off as the latest panacea.
                    The patient even begins to feel better .... not for long ...
                2. KazaK Bo
                  KazaK Bo 8 July 2013 17: 13 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Chen
                  The current Chechnya in its current situation is harmful and dangerous to Russia's interests in the Caucasus

                  In the not-so-old days, when PANAMA gained significant sovereignty over the PANASKY CHANNEL, the then president was asked if he was now satisfied with the level of PANAMA rights to manage and own the channel. The answer was short, as it should be for the general - AS THE PRESIDENT OF THE STATE, I AM SATISFIED WITH THE RESULTS ACHIEVED TODAY, AS A CITIZEN OF THE STATE OF THE PANAM - CATEGORically NO! BUT THIS IS THE MAXIMUM THAT WE COULD GET.
                  I am sure ... both PUTIN and very many other citizens of RUSSIA are hardly completely satisfied with the result achieved in Chechnya, but V.V. PUTIN, AS THE PRESIDENT OF RUSSIA, SATISFIED with the current progress in establishing Russian sovereignty in Chechnya ... It is rare to achieve everything at once! Whatever they say, but CHECHNYA is slowly pouring in, or rather, being built into our life. Talk about shooting at weddings in Moscow! Yes, they shoot, but they began to be detained ... but you didn't dare to detain them for a couple of years !!! Or do you think they didn't shoot? Therefore, it is better to gradually bring things back to normal in Chechnya than to bring in the cargo "200" from there! At the time of Yermolov's pacification of Chechnya, everything was also not immediately "in the chocolate"!
                  1. Black
                    Black 8 July 2013 17: 43 New
                    +4
                    Quote: KazaK Bo
                    Yes, they shoot, but they started to detain them ..



                    In general, I’m not a malicious person, I don’t want war and blood like any normal person.
                    But I do not believe in Chechnya's "integration" into society. Turn the news feed !!!
                    The murder of 21-year-old paratrooper Ruslan Marzhanov in the city of Pugachev, Saratov Region, ended in a mass brawl. A 17-year-old Chechen was detained on suspicion of murder. Already on the day of Marzhanov’s funeral, several hundred people gathered for a spontaneous rally and went to the “Chechen” region to beat immigrants from the Caucasus. According to the Dozhd TV channel, a new spontaneous rally is currently taking place in Pugachev: about 600 people demand that all Caucasians be evicted from Pugachev. The leadership of the regional government and the head of the Ministry of Internal Affairs arrived in the city.


                    In any case, this is a matter of decades. And I’ve lived a little, I would like to be sure of the safety of children and grandchildren. I do not want to leave this to the children.
                    they don’t want to live like people, knock them out of the plain part !!! - these are our Cossack lands, Grozny is a Russian city!
                    In the mountains of sheep graze where it is so convenient!
                    1. consul
                      consul 8 July 2013 18: 45 New
                      0
                      In Pugachev, the military and armored personnel carriers are being pulled together -Http: //vk.com/video154409406_165548705. Record from the video camera on the street. I would like to know for whom and against whom (although the answer is in principle almost known (().
            2. Onotollah
              Onotollah 8 July 2013 18: 24 New
              0
              Quote: Chen
              dead end, cowardly decision of temporary workers

              Well, you know - this is the principle of divide and conquer, rather nasty, but tested by time and many rulers.
              The war, by the way, is also worth the money, I don’t think that in the Kremlin they’re full of idiots, really, they know how to count it.
              By the way, the Chinese comrades, as indicated in the article here on the site, in the Uyghur District, separatism is just crushed by the carrot and stick method - they invest in development and urinate in the toilet.
              Let's see what comes of all this.
          2. silver_roman
            silver_roman 8 July 2013 12: 16 New
            -1
            The question is not who he was the day before! The question is who he is today!

            here I agree with you 100%.
            For me, the figure of Kadyrov as a person and leader is controversial!

            and it’s also hard to disagree
            Whatever it is, but a certain order is present and to reject this fact is stupid. But, as we discussed above, God forbid that the whole point was not in money, for those who bribe for money on the one hand can also bribe for HUGE money on the other, and despite the deficit of the state budget overseas, the machine keeps spitting out millions a day!
        3. Tykta
          Tykta 8 July 2013 11: 56 New
          -3
          everything is correct - just your opponent is not Russian nifiga. he is pleased to die from the fact that our statesmen and corrupt generals did not trample Chechnya into the Stone Age in another 1 company.
        4. Fin
          Fin 8 July 2013 17: 54 New
          0
          Quote: Chen
          A wolf dressed in goatskin does not cease to be a wolf.
          Kadyrov is a project of the corrupt Russian government under the real name "Russia's defeat in the Caucasian war." Hence the insolence of Caucasians, shooting weddings, "blooming" Chechnya, .... and the feeling of disgust in any normal Russian peasant and a clear understanding that "Chechnya" sooner or later will have to be taken !!!! And Askard is right - it is better earlier, for de-bilization is underway and is bearing fruit.

          The Caucasus, like the East, is a delicate matter. They will obey only a strong leader like Kadyrov. One has only to loosen the reins and different Vakhi will come out with their own statutes. Look at Ingushetia, how hard it is for Yevkurov, although he has been in power for a long time. "Alien" will never be in authority there. God forbid something happens to Kadyrov, we will have to fight again. So which is better? And the fact that it is necessary to create jobs there is that the state is inactive. There is another option - to move there a certain number of Slavs and dilute them, do you agree to go?
          And "shooting weddings" and ... - these are mainly questions to the Ministry of Internal Affairs, which themselves cover them in various regions of the Russian Federation.
        5. Recon
          Recon 8 July 2013 18: 33 New
          0
          Plusan, but I put it a little differently: Kadyrov is a deal by the Russian authorities with the Chechens, aimed at extinguishing the hotbed of instability. And she succeeded - the fire is still smoldering ... Regarding the arrogance of the Caucasians, I completely agree with you, but the Caucasus is not only Chechnya. In addition, there are enough worthy people there who are tired of blood and murders and want to live a normal life. I have seen both the first and second with my own eyes many times, and I think that not everything is still lost.
          1. Fin
            Fin 8 July 2013 19: 40 New
            +1
            Quote: Recon
            put it a little wrong: Kadyrov is a deal by the Russian authorities with the Chechens, aimed at extinguishing the hotbed of instability.

            Absolutely right. In the near future, the problem has been resolved, which is so necessary for the country. When changing clans there will always be a showdown. And you need to bet on real leaders. Another solution is that it smacks of genocide, which is unacceptable.
      2. 12061973
        12061973 8 July 2013 10: 14 New
        +3
        and how much is yet to come, and if he is quarreling with Putin. The authorities should not be kept on the same person, by the way, according to him, he killed the first Russian at 16, he was 1976, that is, even before the first Chechen one.
        1. Constantine
          Constantine 8 July 2013 10: 35 New
          +3
          according to him, he killed the first Russian at 16, he was 1976, that is, even before the first Chechen one.


          Proof in the studio.
        2. Yarbay
          Yarbay 8 July 2013 10: 51 New
          +6
          Quote: 12061973
          by the way, according to him, he killed the first Russian at 16

          And how many Chechens enemies of Russia did he kill then ???
          How many Russians killed Russian ??
          Is the generals who sold weapons to bandits secretly no worse than him ?? /
          Are those who sent deliberately as for slaughtering the boys no worse than Kadyrov!? /
          Who played for the money the fate of your country and is now held in high esteem not Russian ???
          1. 12061973
            12061973 8 July 2013 11: 15 New
            +5
            Quote: Yarbay
            And how many Chechens did he kill the enemies of Russia later ??? Are there many Russians who killed Russians ?? Are the generals who sold weapons to the bandits secretly no worse than him ?? / Are those who sent deliberately as for slaughtering the boys no worse than Kadyrov!? / Who played fate for money Your country and now not held in high esteem ???

            worse and worse.
          2. MakSim51ru
            MakSim51ru 10 July 2013 10: 37 New
            0
            Quote: Yarbay
            And how many Chechens enemies of Russia did he kill then ???


            In your opinion, does this justify it?
      3. sasha.28blaga
        sasha.28blaga 8 July 2013 10: 38 New
        +5
        I also support you. But the local population has a dual attitude towards Kadyrov, someone will bless him, and someone does not favor him. And as it seems to me, this is not the case like "you won't be nice to everyone." There is something wrong with his work.
        1. Constantine
          Constantine 8 July 2013 10: 47 New
          +2
          Of course, there are always those who are not satisfied and do not agree. There is a clan system. One took off and put, will be hated by all clan. Somewhere he gave someone hands - they will still hold the grudge by the same clan. It has its own peculiarities, but we cannot dispute the fact that he did succeed and succeeds. Perhaps he is too much fun, but so far the local population does not suffer from this and this does not directly affect the positive changes in the republic - let him have fun. By the way, even in the luxurious garage that he has, there are places to be pluses. Roads in Chechnya are gorgeous.
          1. 12061973
            12061973 8 July 2013 11: 20 New
            +1
            Quote: Constantine
            Perhaps he is too much fun, but so far the local population does not suffer from this and this does not directly affect the positive changes in the republic - let him have fun.

            there is no other population other than seconded security officials, and there are legs of their own that are not from his teip if there is an opportunity.
            1. Constantine
              Constantine 8 July 2013 11: 47 New
              +4
              there is no other population other than seconded security officials, and there are legs of their own that are not from his teip if there is an opportunity.


              I have a huge number of friends from different diasporas, including Chechen. In addition, I myself saw what was built on the ruins of Grozny. What you post here has absolutely nothing to do with reality.
            2. Yarbay
              Yarbay 8 July 2013 11: 51 New
              +3
              Quote: 12061973
              there is no other population other than seconded security officials, and there are legs of their own that are not from his teip if there is an opportunity.

              Well this is not true!
              1. 12061973
                12061973 8 July 2013 13: 15 New
                +1
                Quote: Constantine
                I have a huge number of friends from different diasporas, including Chechen. In addition, I myself saw what was built on the ruins of Grozny. What you post here has absolutely nothing to do with reality.

                Quote: Yarbay
                Well this is not true!

                if you know, then tell us about the nationalities that live in Chechnya. I know what gypsies are there.
                1. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 8 July 2013 13: 58 New
                  +1
                  Quote: 12061973
                  if you know, then tell us about the nationalities that live in Chechnya. I know what gypsies are there.

                  Did you write to me about Chechens from other teips or did I misunderstand you ??
                  1. 12061973
                    12061973 8 July 2013 15: 05 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Yarbay
                    Did you write to me about Chechens from other teips or did I misunderstand you ??

                    I’m not talking about teips, although things aren’t going smoothly, I’m talking about other nationalities specifically about Russians because there were a lot of them in Chechnya.
                2. Tersky
                  Tersky 8 July 2013 13: 59 New
                  +4
                  Quote: 12061973
                  if you know, then tell us about the nationalities that live in Chechnya.и(е) there I know.

                  what ??? I visit Chechnya almost every month, as I haven’t tried to find fortunetellers of gypsy nationality and haven’t seen him point blank laughing . Guess on one occasion, people of what nationality were the first to flee Chechnya before the war, and representatives of which peoples left the second and third respectively ... Sweep away the version with the Russians, they left, (ran out), the last.
                  1. 12061973
                    12061973 8 July 2013 15: 22 New
                    0
                    Quote: Tersky
                    Guess once, people of what nationality were the first to flee Chechnya before the war,

                    1-Armenians, 2-Jews, 3-if non-Russians I don’t know.
                    1. Tersky
                      Tersky 8 July 2013 17: 49 New
                      +3
                      Quote: 12061973
                      1-Armenians, 2-Jews, 3-if non-Russians I don’t know.

                      Put Gypsies in first place, move Jews to second, but Armenians will be third.
          2. Tersky
            Tersky 8 July 2013 13: 56 New
            +3
            Quote: Constantine
            Roads in Chechnya are gorgeous.

            Pass from the border of Stavropol to Grozny from the side of the Naursky district (the left bank of the Terek), your opinion will be reversed.
            1. Constantine
              Constantine 8 July 2013 14: 47 New
              +1
              I did not say that they are everywhere like that, but the fact that good roads have a place to be is a fact. :)
      4. w.ebdo.g
        w.ebdo.g 8 July 2013 12: 33 New
        +3
        Yarbay: I always said that Kadyrov did more for Russia than many generals did!

        I fully support your conviction.
        Kadyrov was able to squeeze the militants and their accomplices. And without ceremony with them in the framework of the law. Militants do not comply with the law, so why apply the law to them. That is why there are no prisoners at all. They just do not take. All information is shaken out at the expense.
        I think so.
        1. 12061973
          12061973 8 July 2013 13: 22 New
          +2
          Quote: w.ebdo.g
          Yarbay: I always said that Kadyrov did more for Russia than many generals did!

          he is a general himself, among other things. Constant territorial claims to Ingushetia, his desire to go through Dagestan to the Caspian, does this make the region calmer. If you see a car with license plate K ... RA on the roads of the Caucasus, be careful.
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 8 July 2013 13: 33 New
            +1
            Quote: 12061973
            If you see a car with license plate K ... RA on the roads of the Caucasus, be careful

            We used to have such numbers and nothing bad happened!
            Now I haven’t seen cars with such numbers in the city, but here different people come from Cheney and from Dagestan, but meek behavior and law enforcement will unite everyone!
            Those who try to show their insolence are simply imprisoned for a long time, not interested in nationality!
            The issue is not in the numbers, but in relation to them by the authorities!
            We do not care what is your nationality and car number!
            If you creep out, they will dispose of them on the basis of law !!
            1. 12061973
              12061973 8 July 2013 15: 11 New
              +1
              Quote: Yarbay
              We used to have such numbers and nothing bad happened!

              but in Ingushetia and Dagestan it is not so, it can be scary.
  4. Recon
    Recon 8 July 2013 18: 25 New
    0
    My squad will be in Botlikh from autumn to spring 2014, they say that you have to climb a lot. It is on the border with Chechnya, in Dagestan.
  5. Semen Semyonitch
    Semen Semyonitch 9 July 2013 00: 40 New
    0
    Quote: 12061973
    after Sochi 14, Kadyrov himself may not be greeted by many Caucasian princes, like the feds planned a big purge in the Caucasus in the spring and summer.

    Purge in the Caucasus? Fresh tradition, but hard to believe ...
    1. Tuareg
      Tuareg 9 July 2013 13: 37 New
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      Cleaned already. Echelons were cleaned
  • sergey72
    sergey72 8 July 2013 07: 16 New
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    When will they finally get to this city ... Umarov? (I write through the ellipsis so that the comments are not deleted), the toilet has already been waiting ....
    1. omsbon
      omsbon 8 July 2013 17: 01 New
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      Quote: sergey72
      When will they finally get to this city ... Umarov? (I write through the ellipsis so that the comments are not deleted), the toilet has already been waiting ....

      It seems to me that the question should be raised more broadly. If terrorism exists mainly on the money of Qatar and Saudi Arabia, then it is necessary to deal with them on a large scale, without looking back at the so-called world community. if Qatar and Saud. Arabia challenge us, let them not be surprised at the hard answer!
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 9 July 2013 07: 43 New
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        Quote: omsbon
        If terrorism exists mainly on the money of Qatar and Saudi Arabia, then it is necessary to deal with them on a large scale, without looking back at the so-called world community. if Qatar and Saud. Arabia challenge us, let them not be surprised at the hard answer!

        I completely agree!!
        But is there enough strength for this ??
        Remember a couple of years ago in Qatar, they beat the Russian ambassador!
        Who was punished ???
        So these dwarfs are sure that they can be unpunished!
  • FREGATENKAPITAN
    FREGATENKAPITAN 8 July 2013 07: 16 New
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    That's because ....... Is it possible that the special services cannot get it in London (or anywhere) and treat them with a cup of tea with polonium ................ This is somehow wrong. ...... before the Olympics it is necessary to get rid of these dirty geeks to the maximum ..........
    1. Airman
      Airman 8 July 2013 10: 46 New
      +2
      Quote: FREGATENKAPITAN
      That's because ....... Is it possible that the special services cannot get it in London (or anywhere) and treat them with a cup of tea with polonium ................ This is somehow wrong. ...... before the Olympics it is necessary to get rid of these dirty geeks to the maximum ..........

      Do we need an olympiad in such an unstable region? In my opinion, it would be better and cheaper in Siberia or the Far East. IMHO
      1. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 8 July 2013 11: 22 New
        +5
        Quote: Povshnik
        Do we need an olympiad in such an unstable region? In my opinion, it would be better and cheaper in Siberia or the Far East. IMHO


        laughing
  • FC SKIF
    FC SKIF 8 July 2013 07: 19 New
    +9
    It is noteworthy that at this very moment “Levada Center” publishes the results of a reasonably interesting poll, which is designed to reveal the attitude of the Russians (the respondents of the Russian population) to the withdrawal of Chechnya from the Russian Federation. It is an interesting survey, and its result is also interesting. Levada Center claims that 51% of Russians (what an interesting number, isn't it ...) in one way or another support the separation of the Chechen Republic from Russia. At the same time, 24% of respondents advocate precisely for separation, and even 27% will not mind if such separation takes place.
    I worked as an interviewer when I was a student, and I’ll tell you that you can safely fit any desired answer to any question. The main thing is how to set it.
  • V. Ushakov
    V. Ushakov 8 July 2013 07: 56 New
    +7
    "... the representatives of that very" Caucasus Emirate ", it turns out, kept a moratorium on the implementation of terrorist acts on the territory of Russia for a long time. ..."
    Then let the Kremlin lift the moratorium on the complete and total extermination of militants and their families throughout Russia.
    Let's see who will be the first to talk about the resumption of the "moratorium"? ..
  • Yarosvet
    Yarosvet 8 July 2013 08: 15 New
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    ____________________________________________
    1. afire
      afire 8 July 2013 09: 39 New
      +1
      Do not get along here to throw. You are a very short-sighted and stupid person, if you are being carried on such kind of pictures and publications or are directly related to the promotion of misinformation
      1. Tatanka Yotanka
        Tatanka Yotanka 8 July 2013 10: 41 New
        +2
        and what is crap and disinformation, that he did not say such a thing? so millions heard it on the state channel
        the picture corresponds to the information
        from 46 minutes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3pYJd_WUZI
        lack of foresight or stupidity is not to trust your own eyes
      2. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 8 July 2013 10: 43 New
        +1
        Quote: afire
        Do not get along here to throw. You are a very short-sighted and stupid person, if you are being carried on such kind of pictures and publications or are directly related to the promotion of misinformation

        Justify.

        And it’s easy to check the info, only you are too lazy to do it - from the 46th minute laughing

        http://www.1tv.ru/prj/pozner/vypusk/24122
        1. afire
          afire 8 July 2013 11: 28 New
          -3
          only the posner in the link says a lot, it follows from this that all that I can see in the video is a probable provocation, since the posner has already spoiled many people, including the Russian Orthodox Church.
          Therefore, your arguments are not worth a penny.
          1. Tatanka Yotanka
            Tatanka Yotanka 8 July 2013 11: 48 New
            +4
            Quote: afire
            only the posner in the link says a lot,

            yes to hell with him with a posner, words really for you the words of Abdulatipov
            Quote: afire
            not worth a penny

            based on your methods, for example, Putin-Obama talks also can’t trust information, because Obama has spoiled the whole world
            1. afire
              afire 8 July 2013 11: 52 New
              -1
              Quote: Tatanka Yotanka

              based on your methods, for example, Putin-Obama talks also can’t trust information, because Obama has spoiled the whole world

              Do you think that the puns of the Presidents should be taken for the truth?
              This is just a public part of the relationship, everything interesting is much deeper.
              Abdulatipov is not stupid, which is why he is now in this position, and his words are the same policy, no one will ever tell you all the cards. It's a game. Sometimes serious and with deplorable endings, but nonetheless.
              1. Tatanka Yotanka
                Tatanka Yotanka 8 July 2013 12: 04 New
                +3
                Quote: afire
                This is just a public part of the relationship.

                that’s why he and a public person, in order to talk about his public attitude to this problem, there is a saying - not a sparrow, Abdulatipov is not stupid to make it clear that his words will be highlighted in a different way, he doesn’t refuse his words - type, I meant another
                and based on your understanding, we should never talk about politics at all, because they don’t reveal all the cards
                we reason only on the basis of what the official media are giving us
                1. afire
                  afire 8 July 2013 12: 10 New
                  -3
                  Quote: Tatanka Yotanka
                  we reason only on the basis of what the official media are giving us

                  Well, he told you what you heard, now you can suck on how much you want this topic. Those to whom these words were actually addressed understood them in a completely interpreted way and understood correctly, unlike you.
                  1. Tatanka Yotanka
                    Tatanka Yotanka 8 July 2013 12: 17 New
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                    Quote: afire
                    Those to whom these words were actually addressed understood them in a completely interpreted way and understood correctly, unlike you.

                    Well, share how you understand, defend your position, then he and the dialogue
                    Quote: afire
                    Those to whom these words were actually addressed,

                    I for whom these words in the wide media, not for the people? and a narrow bunch of people
                    1. afire
                      afire 8 July 2013 12: 23 New
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                      About how I understood, already explained everything.
                      Just a bunch of people. TV is a very convenient thing for the delivery of information and the position of the authorities for the highlanders.
                      1. Tatanka Yotanka
                        Tatanka Yotanka 8 July 2013 12: 40 New
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                        Quote: afire
                        TV is a very convenient thing for the delivery of information and the position of the authorities for the highlanders.

                        well, yes, the mountaineers have such illogical thinking that they understood what he said differently
          2. Yarosvet
            Yarosvet 8 July 2013 12: 00 New
            -1
            Quote: afire
            Therefore, your arguments are not worth a penny.

            Poor Russian Orthodox Church, she’s spoiled everything ...

            What is your logic, Dmitry? These are not my arguments for you. They’re not worth a penny. These words of Abdulatipov are not worth a penny for you. hi
            1. afire
              afire 8 July 2013 12: 03 New
              -3
              I have nothing more to talk about with you because you are an ardent (crazy rather) opponent of the current president of Russia, based on your messages in your story.
              1. Yarosvet
                Yarosvet 8 July 2013 12: 14 New
                +1
                Quote: afire
                I have nothing more to talk about with you because you are an ardent (crazy rather) opponent of the current president of Russia, based on your messages in your story.

                Of course, the adversary is due to the fact that the neoliberal policy pursued by him leads to the degradation and destruction of the citizens of Russia, and above all the state-forming people. hi
                1. afire
                  afire 8 July 2013 12: 21 New
                  -2
                  Quote: Yarosvet

                  Of course, the adversary is due to the fact that the neoliberal policy pursued by him leads to the degradation and destruction of the citizens of Russia, and above all the state-forming people. hi

                  If you are such a defender of the people of Russia, of which I am also a part, then I did not ask you to protect yourself. Do you understand?
                  Your freedom ends where my freedom begins. Therefore, you do not speak for everyone and do not dare to continue to allow this. The President is elected by a majority of the people! And the people do not consider Putin their destroyer, therefore, it’s not necessary for everyone ... for themselves and only for themselves, otherwise the pancake is used to it - he screams alone, and then he hides behind the people. Who let you?
                  1. Yarosvet
                    Yarosvet 8 July 2013 12: 34 New
                    +3
                    Quote: afire
                    Who let you?
                    And come on, you’ll not shut up my mouth - huh? smile

                    In what place I violated your freedom - tell Nuka.

                    Let's be honest - answer:
                    First, you tore the ass for EBNya, and now you curse him - right or wrong?
                    Then he endured silently when the EBN appointed Putin - right?
                    Then he honestly and independently (except for the enhanced PR-ra) chose Putin - right?
                    Then, at the suggestion of Putin, he voted for Medvedev, and now you curse him on a par with EBN - right?
                    Well, finally, I chose Putin again - was that all? Just honestly?
                    1. afire
                      afire 8 July 2013 13: 05 New
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                      Quote: Yarosvet
                      And come on, you’ll not shut up my mouth - huh? smile

                      If someone, for some reason, decided to speak on my behalf including (and we are all people), then I will shut up your mouth, since I did not give you permission to speak on my behalf, and it is unlikely that this is possible, but you decided for some reason to get around this.
                      Quote: Yarosvet

                      In what place I violated your freedom - tell Nuka.

                      Where they began to speak on behalf of the people of whom I am a part.
                      These 2 questions have one root, but for some reason you asked them separately winked it's about thinking.

                      The rest is some kind of nonsense.
                      I look there some kind of priest appears. You follow your own, otherwise with such a tongue not only the priest can suffer repeat
                      1. Yarosvet
                        Yarosvet 8 July 2013 13: 35 New
                        +2
                        Quote: afire
                        If someone, for some reason, decided to speak on my behalf including (and we are all people), then I will shut up your mouth, since I did not give you permission to speak on my behalf, and it is unlikely that this is possible, but you decided for some reason to get around this.
                        Nothing to say in the case, I decided to move out to the market - well, well laughing
                        I, my dear man, write comments on the site, and this by itself implies that I express my personal opinion. And if I see that there is a copper basin looming ahead for both me and our common people, then I am writing this because there are no other turns of speech in Russian.
                        You understand all this very well (if not completely stupid), so there is no need for verbiage - this is not masculine.

                        Where they began to speak on behalf of the people of whom I am a part.
                        Julia - you can always say that this does not apply to you, that you have your own point of view and bring evidence in favor of your vision - therefore your freedom is not violated.

                        These 2 questions have one root, but for some reason you asked them separately winked it's about thinking.

                        I look there some kind of priest appears. You follow your own, otherwise with such a tongue not only the priest can suffer repeat
                        There your priest appears - not Julia, answer - it was so. or not?
                      2. grafrozow
                        grafrozow 11 July 2013 17: 21 New
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                        You still don’t understand that the time of the CPSU has passed. Before the pain is familiar, the whole Soviet people, like one person, supported, approved, but they can’t all have the same opinion. remember the communist pearls - who is playing jazz now, he will sell his homeland tomorrow. Thank God this is over. Be polite. I hope you understand.
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 8 July 2013 10: 52 New
      -1
      So what? In Ingushetia, such actions are held regularly. A fairly effective method. Yevkurov is a competent man, do not you?

      Why not pursue a similar policy in Dagestan?
      1. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 8 July 2013 11: 26 New
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        To the account of Ingushetia - a reference, if not difficult (you can headline)

        Quote: Spade
        Why not pursue a similar policy in Dagestan?

        Because it is unnecessary to carry out such a policy anywhere - this is the release of the freedom of repeat offenders, whose conscience is not the only ruined life.
        Then it’s double standards, another confirmation that the law is not the same for everyone.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 8 July 2013 11: 36 New
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          Quote: Yarosvet
          Because it is unnecessary to pursue such a policy anywhere - this is the release of repeat offenders

          Good morning. They are already free. And they will remain on it if they surrender and nothing criminal hangs on them other than participation in the bandit underground.

          Sometimes it is necessary to turn on the brains, "banuputinapodsud" intellect does not replace.
          1. Yarosvet
            Yarosvet 8 July 2013 11: 54 New
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            Quote: Spade
            Sometimes it's worth brains to turn on

            Interesting opinion No. Does it help?

            Where are they free? In the woods? In the basement? Or legally, without hiding, wherever they want to go (and they seem to be offered to legalize them exactly)?

            A reference on Ingushetia, please - I can not find information about the amnesty in Ingushetia, as a fait accompli.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 8 July 2013 12: 11 New
              +3
              Quote: Yarosvet
              Where are they free? In the woods? In the basement? Or legally, without hiding walk wherever they want

              Exactly. Sometimes legal, not hiding.
              I see you are for the war to the victorious? And do you consider yourself smarter than Evkurov? Sofa strategists they are, "show me the entrance to the submarine, and I will find a thousand flaws in it."

              In 2009, 56 people surrendered. Most were amnestied, the rest were imprisoned. Given the confession and the guarantee of imprisonment in the Southern Federal District. Search for yourself.
              1. Yarosvet
                Yarosvet 8 July 2013 12: 43 New
                +1
                Quote: Spade
                I see, you for a war to victory?
                The war must be brought to a victorious end, otherwise, sooner or later a relapse occurs.

                And do you consider yourself smarter than Evkurov? Sofa strategists they are, "show me the entrance to the submarine, and I will find a thousand flaws in it."
                How are you at this moment, on this site, different from me?

                In 2009, 56 people surrendered. Most were amnestied, the rest were imprisoned. Given the confession and the guarantee of imprisonment in the Southern Federal District. Search for yourself.
                Do I write in Chinese?
                Once again - I found the info about the good wishes to declare an amnesty, that it was announced - I did not find. A reference please.
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 8 July 2013 13: 13 New
                  +4
                  Quote: Yarosvet
                  The war must be brought to a victorious end, otherwise, sooner or later a relapse occurs.

                  War until victory in such wars is in principle impossible.

                  Quote: Yarosvet
                  How are you at this moment, on this site, different from me?

                  The fact that he served in the UK for more than 10 years

                  Quote: Yarosvet
                  Do I write in Chinese?

                  And I? http://www.ingushetia.ru/m-news/archives/018655.shtml
                  How can you "give former militants a job" if they are not at large?
                  1. Yarosvet
                    Yarosvet 8 July 2013 13: 47 New
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                    Quote: Spade
                    War until victory in such wars is in principle impossible.
                    I do not agree, it’s another matter that the two past wars were clearly deliberately dragged out on our part, and the troops were limited to a framework more characteristic of a police operation - the task was not to completely clear out those who resist and sympathize.

                    Quote: Yarosvet
                    The fact that he served in the UK for more than 10 years
                    Therefore, they should understand that such conciliation is a temporary measure.

                    How can you "give former militants a job" if they are not at large?
                    Thanks for the link. I missed it. hi
                2. Arkan
                  Arkan 8 July 2013 14: 28 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Yarosvet
                  The war must be brought to a victorious end, otherwise, sooner or later a relapse occurs.

                  First of all, it is necessary to understand the reasons for this war. Let me remind you that it all started with Yeltsin's words "take as much sovereignty as you want ..." (they took it), then - the Chechen armed formations (then they were not called "bandit formations" yet!) from Russian arsenals on the territory of Chechnya (It is transferred!) The next step - the federal center stops transferring money to Chechnya and arms the Chechen opposition, and finally - a purely Hollywood storm of Grozny by the opposition and Russian tankers ..., and as a result - war Such a policy of Russia could in no way inspire confidence, not only in the Caucasus, but nowhere! And everything that is happening in the Caucasus now is a consequence of that (Yeltsin's) policy, for which Russia will have to pay for more than one year with money and amnesties, and It is thanks to these amnesties that the Chechens themselves are fighting the imaratists in Chechnya. Without these amnesties, they would have continued to fight against Russia that armed them and then declared them bandits, since the other They simply wouldn't have a choice ...
                  1. Yarosvet
                    Yarosvet 8 July 2013 14: 49 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Arkan
                    Let me remind you that it all started with Yeltsin's words "take as much sovereignty as you want ..." (they took it)
                    I am sure that everything began two decades earlier: there was economic and political sabotage, sabotage by the Committee, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the prosecutor's office, the local party nomenclature — former generators of separatism (and so on throughout the Union).
                    I think that the extremist currents of Islam were deliberately let in.

                    And then there was EBN, with his "joke" about sovereignty.

                    further - the Chechen armed formations (then they were not yet called "bandit formations"!) are transferred weapons from Russian arsenals on the territory of Chechnya (It is transferred!). The next step - the federal center stops transferring money to Chechnya and arms the Chechen opposition, and finally - a purely Hollywood assault on Grozny by the opposition and Russian tankers ... and, as a result, a war.
                    It's like that.

                    Such a policy of Russia could not in any way inspire confidence, not only in the Caucasus, but anywhere else!
                    True, but it is worth adding "Wahhabist" figures here.

                    And everything that happens in the Caucasus now is a consequence of that (Yeltsin's) policy
                    Yes, but otherwise I see it differently: The authorities need a horror story and the guys are ready to kill whom they say - that is why the Caucasus, despite the wildest corruption, continues to finance like no other region dreamed.
                    Meanwhile, it is quite possible to put an end to the "terrorist threat" within 2-3 years, followed by 20 years of filtering the region (of course, he gave the timing out of hand).
                    1. Arkan
                      Arkan 8 July 2013 15: 01 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Yarosvet
                      I am sure that everything began two decades earlier:

                      Not real! In those years, people who had to fight in Chechnya served in the Soviet Army (including Afghanistan) and they physically could not be saboteurs!
                      Quote: Yarosvet
                      I think that the extremist currents of Islam were deliberately let in

                      Of course, but the Wahhabis appeared there later (after the first war) when the ground was prepared for this (people who lost their loved ones and were simply not happy with Russia, all this provided a lot of material for propaganda of Wahhabism in the region).
                      1. Yarosvet
                        Yarosvet 8 July 2013 15: 12 New
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                        Quote: Arkan
                        Not real! In those years, people who had to fight in Chechnya served in the Soviet Army (including Afghanistan) and they physically could not be saboteurs!
                        Not they - the people who occupied key posts in the system - part of the nomenclature.
                        The Union itself could not have crashed - neither economically nor politically (unless, of course, make deliberate "mistakes" and prohibit the issuance of goods from food warehouses).

                        Of course, but the Wahhabis appeared there later (after the first war) when the ground was prepared for this (people who lost their loved ones and were simply not happy with Russia, all this provided a lot of material for propaganda of Wahhabism in the region).
                        I believe that all the same before - such madness, in such an amount, it is necessary to "educate" from a young age, therefore, the penetration was carried out earlier.
                      2. Arkan
                        Arkan 8 July 2013 15: 57 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        Not they - the people who occupied key posts in the system - part of the nomenclature.

                        If you are talking about Berezovsky, etc. - then I completely agree with you! And in a situation when the always drunk Borya rules in the Kremlin, and "political scientists" write articles about how "in order to build democracy in Chechnya it is necessary to destroy the teip society by war ..." Chechen separatism is already rather an attempt to survive ... But this only proves the need for amnesties.
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        I believe that all the same before - such madness, in such an amount, it is necessary to "educate" from a young age,

                        No! Only two conditions are required: 1) Negative emotions (or once experienced and strong, but much more reliable if a person is "kept on the negative" constantly); 2) Authority (it can be either a person or Holy Scripture - it does not matter, the main that a person would trust) If these conditions are met, almost any person can be brought to such a state in two to three years.
                      3. Yarosvet
                        Yarosvet 8 July 2013 18: 47 New
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                        Quote: Arkan
                        If you are about Berezovsky, etc. - then I completely agree with you!
                        Birch and the like are just a part, and not the most significant one. They were allowed to come to the feeder, but controlled, although it was likely that in the mess that was being created, control could weaken.

                        And in a situation where the forever drunk Borya steers in the Kremlin ...
                        These are the consequences. The Committee led potential candidates for the country's top post - it simply cannot be otherwise. If the KGB had not sabotaged its functions, then both Gorbaty and EBN would be removed at the approaches to power.

                        "Political scientists" write articles about how "in order to build democracy in Chechnya, it is necessary to destroy the teip society by war ..." Chechen separatism is rather an attempt to survive ...
                        Chaos was needed to seize power and legitimize the new authorities, as well as to consolidate the people (fear of the enemy and hatred of him unite). How this chaos was achieved is a matter of the 10th.
                        As for separatism specifically, the "masters" of the republics have always been sick of them - "it is better to rule in hell ..."

                        But this only proves the need for amnesties
                        Only after eradicating the source of infection and blocking its access to our territory.

                        No! Only two conditions are required: 1) Negative emotions (or once experienced and strong, but much more reliable if a person is "kept on the negative" constantly); 2) Authority (it can be either a person or Holy Scripture - it does not matter, the main that a person would trust) If these conditions are met, almost any person can be brought to such a state in two to three years.
                        These 2 conditions rest against Soviet education.
                        The negative emotions of a successful person are not able to overpower the understanding of the system good / bad, and can not make him become a beast.
                        The same is with Islam: despite the fact that, like any Abrahamic religion, its provisions are double-interpreted, Soviet education is opposed to any way of interpretation.
                        In order to influence a person in the way we are talking about - the human psyche must be fragile, unstable, receptive - that is, it must be children and adolescents. But one preacher could not cope with the available scale in a short period of time - therefore, this infection began to spread in the area of ​​the beginning of the 80s, gradually, without attracting attention and influencing at first gradually, and eventually, directly.
                      4. Arkan
                        Arkan 9 July 2013 17: 49 New
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                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        These 2 conditions rest against Soviet education.
                        The negative emotions of a successful person are not able to overpower the understanding of the system good / bad, and can not make him become a beast.

                        You’re wrong! Remember the second half of the eighties - artificial shortages, monetary reform, idiotic prohibition ... and then the country didn’t ... Soviet education didn’t help us understand what was happening! Education certainly plays a big role, but emotions able to suppress some facets of personality!
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        In order to influence a person in the way we are talking about - the human psyche must be fragile, unstable, receptive - that is, it must be children and adolescents.

                        I also disagree - there are a lot of examples of how fully formed personalities get drunk, and the same collapse of the USSR - how many people with a "balanced psyche" suddenly decided their country is worse than the "world community"?
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        But one preacher could not cope with the available scale in a short period of time - therefore, this infection began to spread in the area of ​​the beginning of the 80s, gradually, without attracting attention and influencing at first gradually, and eventually, directly.

                        They do not become and ... mi in the usual sense of the word! They themselves become disseminators of the ideas inculcated in them, they know what the Internet is and how to use it for propaganda ... For example, here, a few years ago, you could easily "talk for life "with a militant living in the forest (perhaps they still appear there).
                        http://ruweb.mobimeet.com/forum/forumpart.xhtml?part=26
                      5. Yarosvet
                        Yarosvet 9 July 2013 19: 27 New
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                        Quote: Arkan
                        artificial deficit, monetary reform, idiotic prohibition ...
                        Exactly.

                        and then the country was gone ...
                        I’ll clarify - the UNION of countries has not become, and despite the opinion of the people.

                        Soviet education then did not help us understand what was happening!
                        This is understandable: the Soviet education of the late USSR period still very well explained what is good and what is bad, but it didn’t give an idea of ​​managing the masses, it didn’t teach you to identify a substitution of concepts and look at the picture as a whole - hence the emotions as the basis for acceptance decisions. But cutting heads, killing innocents, yelling - we need slaves and whores ... This Soviet education could not allow.

                        I also don’t agree - there are plenty of examples of how fully formed personalities get drunk
                        I don’t know any such person - not every healthy, apparently prosperous body has a healthy mind. In the USSR, people were not perfect — they were BETTER than the rest.

                        how many people with a "balanced psyche" suddenly decided their country is worse than "the world community
                        Units. The idea was to take all the best from the West and leave the best from the Union - they did exactly the opposite through the efforts of specific personalities.

                        They themselves become distributors of ideas instilled in them, they know what the Internet is and how to use it for propaganda ...
                        Now yes, but then there was no Internet, there was education with an ideological color, people were driven into the minds of the concept of good and evil (even in the 90s people resisted the Islamic ideology).
                        In order to overpower all this, a long preparation and closed eyes of the corresponding organs were needed.


                        And most importantly - you need to think about how to turn the tide, although in my opinion nothing is impossible - 20 years and 3 years.
                      6. Arkan
                        Arkan 9 July 2013 23: 29 New
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                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        I’ll clarify - the UNION of countries has not become, and despite the opinion of the people.

                        Here I am talking about the same thing - the people did not react in any way despite the fact that the events were contrary to his opinion! Why?
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        I don’t know any such person - not every healthy, apparently prosperous body has a healthy mind.

                        You just did not come across this, but the problem is very real.
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        But cutting heads, killing innocents, yelling - we need slaves and whores ... This Soviet education could not allow.

                        Chikatilo or "St. Petersburg Chef" were quite educated ...
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        In order to overpower all this, a long preparation and closed eyes of the corresponding organs were needed.

                        Then another example, the "Arab Spring" - if it took such a long time to create protest moods, would the intelligence services of a number of countries have failed to detect any signs of preparation?
                      7. Yarosvet
                        Yarosvet 10 July 2013 00: 38 New
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                        Quote: Arkan
                        Here I am talking about the same thing - the people did not react in any way despite the fact that the events were contrary to his opinion! Why?
                        1 PR - remember how the West was advertised (movies, bright clothes, etc.), bravado "forgetting" to mention the other side of the medal?
                        2 The sharpening of education to determine good or bad, and not to identify substitution of concepts, the ability to see the whole picture, etc. (although even Ulyanov wrote that each worker must be taught the principles of public administration).
                        3 This is indicated by you - a targeted driving of the population into emotions through the artificial creation of problems.

                        People wanted change. a better life, that which was better in the West than in the USSR. They preferred to hope rather than think, and the principle of "my house is on the edge" also worked.

                        You just did not come across this, but the problem is very real.
                        The problem is real, but I know from my own experience that every mature personality that subsequently fell down had "flaws" - in other words, insufficient stress resistance, suggestibility, a tendency to depression, etc.
                        This topic is from the category of psychology and psychiatry.

                        Chikatilo or "St. Petersburg Chef" were quite educated ...
                        These are pathologies, they are quite rare. And even more so, it is impossible to collect several tens of thousands of bearded maniacs in one place - here cultural stereotypes that have been introduced beforehand are needed.

                        Then another example, the "Arab Spring" - if it took such a long time to create protest moods, would the intelligence services of a number of countries have failed to detect any signs of preparation?
                        In this case, the authorities went too far, discontent reached a peak, the situation was pushed from the outside and an uncontrolled process started (in Egypt, for example, it was somewhat different).
                        Since the authorities did everything except management, everyone else did it by their example, as a result of which they simply clicked (someone probably was bribed, but did not figure out what it would turn out to be).
                        The media have repeatedly reported on the activities of Islamists in the region - they all knew, but did not touch.
  • ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 8 July 2013 08: 19 New
    +3
    I urge every Mujahid ... to make every effort on the path of Allah to disrupt these satanic
    dancing on the bones
    our ancestors.

    Sick or something on his head ?! What kind of dancing? Sports competitions of the peoples of the world compared with gayParad, or some kind of masquerade? Assassin calls for frustrating an event that promotes PEACE and friendship of peoples!
  • Xnumx kopeek
    Xnumx kopeek 8 July 2013 08: 24 New
    +8
    Well, a Chechen has lied about the bones of his ancestors. Sochi, Anapa, Maykop, and then the land of the Circassians, are not Chechen.
    In general, the idea is a stupid / Olympiad / -and an obvious "payoff".
  • Horn
    Horn 8 July 2013 08: 28 New
    11
    To separate the Caucasus - to organize with our own hands an enclave of pseudo-states near their borders, living on a "raid economy" with a developed intelligence and sabotage network inside Russia. And one more A.P. Ermolov, as it were, is not here ...
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  • Slogin
    Slogin 8 July 2013 08: 34 New
    21
    Everyone who calls on the people for the separation of any part of the Russian territory - execution for the betrayal of the homeland! Enough, separated at 91m.
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 8 July 2013 08: 57 New
      +2
      Quote: Slogin
      Everyone who calls on the people for the separation of any part of the Russian territory - execution for the betrayal of the homeland! Enough, separated at 91m.


      In 91?

      http://patriotica.ru/actual/tarabarov.html
      1. afire
        afire 8 July 2013 09: 45 New
        0
        the blizzard is already good here to spread-the instigator of gags, since he’s so smart, he would go and make his way to the presidency, would steer if he won the election. I thought and would consider how and what. Only here is that I have big doubts that your brain will have enough foresight and a competent approach to solving problems. And about the island - it’s sad, but it means that such a payment is for something, it is a compromise between something. In fact, this island is not some absolute value for us. But he played a role in solving an equally important problem. Sorry, but ...
        1. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 8 July 2013 10: 25 New
          +1
          Quote: afire
          good already blizzard here spread-instigator gag
          Original laughing
          Why am I, my dear, inciting you?

          Only here is that I have big doubts that your brain will have enough foresight and a competent approach to solving problems.
          Well, where am I going to you with your super logic: "such is the fee - I really don't know what they paid for, the island played a role in solving the problem - I really don't know which one" laughing
          Himself is not funny?

          If you are claiming something, then have at least a general idea of ​​what you are talking about.

          And for general development, here's the "Declaration on State Sovereignty of the RSFSR" - the abbreviation was changed to the Russian Federation, but nowhere is it said that the document has expired. See point 8
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 8 July 2013 10: 55 New
            +7
            Quote: Yarosvet
            Why am I, my dear, inciting you?

            To study the essence of the issue. This territory was transferred not by Putin, but by Gorbachev. It was necessary to be so stupid that to manage to draw the border along the fairway of the river.
            1. Yarosvet
              Yarosvet 8 July 2013 11: 18 New
              0
              Quote: Spade
              To study the essence of the issue.

              Hunchback distinguished himself, and how, more than once, his mother ...
              But who transferred the islands, and in violation of the current regulatory act?
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 8 July 2013 11: 21 New
                0
                Like who, Gorbachev. Now the fairway will change, it will go east, and the Chinese will pick up a couple more islands for themselves. Of their islands.
                1. Yarosvet
                  Yarosvet 8 July 2013 12: 57 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Spade
                  Like who, Gorbachev. Now the fairway will change, it will go east, and the Chinese will pick up a couple more islands for themselves. Of their islands.

                  Mdya ...

                  Who signed the island transfer agreement on October 14, 2004? Pushkin?
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 8 July 2013 16: 29 New
                    0
                    These islands already belonged to China under the Gorbachev agreement.
                    1. Yarosvet
                      Yarosvet 8 July 2013 19: 21 New
                      0
                      Quote: Spade
                      These islands already belonged to China under the Gorbachev agreement.

                      Not so: there was a situation similar to the situation with the Kaliningrad region - the water area was diverted to China, and the islands remained with Russia.

                      And the point is not that they were handed over - the fact is that the procedure violated the applicable laws, that is, Putin, being the guarantor of the Constitution, violated parts 2 and 3 of Article 80 of the Constitution (and this is not the only violation Basic Law), as well as paragraph 8 of the Declaration of Sovereignty, which was not repealed by anyone.

                      What can we talk about, what kind of work of the courts, about which: education, medicine and social guarantees - if a person who is a guarantor under the Basic Law violates this law in the tail and in the mane - that is, at least, commits an official crime?
              2. afire
                afire 8 July 2013 11: 37 New
                -4
                Go kill, proving that when someone did wrong. a lot of noise - use zero.
                You yourself do not know the essence if you say that the GDP has fulfilled this transfer. Ishtorik!
                1. Yarosvet
                  Yarosvet 8 July 2013 12: 48 New
                  0
                  Quote: afire
                  Go kill, proving that when someone did wrong. a lot of noise - use zero.
                  You yourself do not know the essence if you say that the GDP has fulfilled this transfer. Ishtorik!

                  Go to the doctor - you have auditory hallucinations, and before that you google on a topic, since the memory is girlish.
        2. grafrozow
          grafrozow 11 July 2013 17: 37 New
          0
          Oh yes, all for the sake of high interests. First, according to the Brest Treaty, Lenin shook the floor of the empire, then Humpbacked. All for the good of the people. Where are these benefits?
  • Nayhas
    Nayhas 8 July 2013 08: 43 New
    -10 qualifying.
    The author, Doku Umarov, is a provocateur of the FSB, at least that’s what Chechen separatists themselves have always called him on the Kavkaz Center website, he does not represent anyone and all his threats are written in the offices of the FSB. So what he says can be safely drained into the sewers. The author, you are one of those who shout about the need for Chechnya to be part of Russia without presenting any sound arguments, and the Russians need this for hell. Thanks to open borders, separatism from Chechnya spread throughout the Caucasus and now it is necessary to spend huge sums of money on security not only in Chechnya, but in all the republics of the Caucasus, even in the Stavropol Territory ...
    1. afire
      afire 8 July 2013 09: 47 New
      +1
      why do you so eagerly assure us of your innocence?
      on what grounds should we believe your information and information from some dubious sites?
      1. baltika-18
        baltika-18 8 July 2013 10: 05 New
        +3
        Quote: afire
        on what grounds should we believe your information and information from some dubious sites?

        In two comments in a row you tell your opponents "you are lying", but you do not give any counterarguments.
        Prove, if you want something to listen to you.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 8 July 2013 11: 02 New
          0
          Provide evidence that Santa Claus is not a CIA agent.
        2. afire
          afire 8 July 2013 11: 23 New
          0
          pay attention that I answer the same thing and secondly - to pass off articles on terrorist sites as truth and say that it’s true! look! - I denied this by commenting that a friend is quieter, do not tell stupidity and nonsense. I have to prove it ???
          Are you and Nayhas paired up?
          1. 12061973
            12061973 8 July 2013 11: 39 New
            +2
            think and see who benefits from Umar and tension in the Caucasus, but to almost everyone except ordinary people
          2. baltika-18
            baltika-18 8 July 2013 12: 56 New
            +2
            Quote: afire
            Are you and Nayhas paired up?

            Why's that.....
            Want to make me make excuses? If so, I can fulfill your desire.
            If not, then why such questions?
            Quote: Spade
            Provide evidence that Santa Claus is not a CIA agent.

            Well, you provide evidence that it exists.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 8 July 2013 16: 31 New
              -3
              Well, it’s you who put forward such requirements, not me. I do not like Santa Claus - provide evidence that you yourself do not work for Uruguayan intelligence. I hope you yourself exist?
      2. Nayhas
        Nayhas 8 July 2013 10: 10 New
        +1
        Do you think logically why Umarov is still alive? After all, they had all been drained away by the root, but they couldn’t type him? Or is he like that elusive Joe who is elusive because nobody needs him?
        And the Kavkaz-Center site was a kind of cuisine, only Caucasians spoke there, and there were more than once warnings to bypass Umarov.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 8 July 2013 11: 09 New
          0
          Quote: Nayhas
          Do you think logically why Umarov is still alive?

          And why is Hassan Nasrallah still alive? Is he an agent of Mossad?
          1. Nayhas
            Nayhas 8 July 2013 12: 40 New
            0
            Nasrallah sits in Lebanon and Hezbollah enters the Parliament of Lebanon, i.e. This is a legal party. Lebanon is not yet the territory of Israel and they enter Lebanon only with war, therefore it is difficult to get Nasrallah. Umarov is sitting in Chechnya, which is controlled by special services.
    2. Yarbay
      Yarbay 8 July 2013 10: 01 New
      +2
      Quote: Nayhas
      The author, Doku Umarov, is an FSB provocateur, at least that’s what Chechen separatists themselves have always called him on the Kavkaz Center website

      I never read such a thing there !!
      But I also heard such accusations in his address!
      In principle, the same thing was said about many, even about Basayev, especially after the Dagestan events!
      1. Nayhas
        Nayhas 8 July 2013 10: 13 New
        +3
        Basayev was constantly asked because he had previously worked for the GRU in Abkhazia. But his campaign in Dagestan was a clear provocation, because was absolutely unnecessary and useless, giving rise to a new war ...
        1. sasha.28blaga
          sasha.28blaga 8 July 2013 10: 52 New
          -2
          I have a Chechen neighbor, so he says about all field commanders that they are FSB agents except Khatab, he is an Arab, therefore he did not work for the FSB.
          1. IRBIS
            IRBIS 8 July 2013 12: 32 New
            +6
            Quote: sasha.28blaga
            he says about all field commanders that they are agents of the FSB

            And I have one engineer who is sure that the aliens are already among us. He says that they said on TV ....
      2. Lopatov
        Lopatov 8 July 2013 11: 08 New
        -1
        Quote: Yarbay
        In principle, the same thing was said about many, even about Basayev, especially after the Dagestan events!

        He was contacted not by the FSB but by the GRU. When he fought in Abkhazia.
        By the way, the same can be said about the special services of Azerbaijan.
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 8 July 2013 11: 25 New
          0
          Quote: Spade
          He was contacted not by the FSB but by the GRU. When he fought in Abkhazia.

          it makes no difference!
          Quote: Spade
          By the way, the same can be said about the special services of Azerbaijan.

          nonsense!
          But the Azerbaijani special services had sources among bandits and transmitted important information to the Russian side!
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 8 July 2013 11: 41 New
            +1
            Quote: Yarbay
            nonsense!

            It’s stupid to say that Basayev, fighting in Karabakh on the side of Azerbaijan, had no contacts with their special services.
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 8 July 2013 11: 52 New
              +2
              Quote: Spade
              It’s stupid to say that Basayev, fighting in Karabakh on the side of Azerbaijan, had no contacts with their special services.

              He did not fight in Karabakh!
              Do not say that which you do not know!
              He had contacts, but not with special services!
              I know what I am saying!
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 8 July 2013 12: 14 New
                -2
                However, he fought. It is strange that you do not know this.
                1. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 8 July 2013 13: 10 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Spade
                  However, he fought. It is strange that you do not know this.

                  Let's not argue!
                  Basayev has been to Azerbaijan, but he never fought, and I know this much better than you!
                  I ask you not to say something that you have no idea about or see a fact, but not from Armenian fairy tale sites!
                2. Hleb
                  Hleb 8 July 2013 14: 30 New
                  0
                  It’s strange that you don’t know this.
                  it’s much more strange that Lopatov knows about this. probably he managed to serve there for 10 years. He also calls people couch strategists
                  1. Yarbay
                    Yarbay 8 July 2013 14: 49 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Gleb
                    it’s much more strange that Lopatov knows about this. probably he managed to serve there for 10 years. He also calls people couch strategists

                    Dear Gleb!
                    The fact is that I know firsthand the events of those days!
                    Yes, the Chechens fought, but a completely different commander and fought well, but not for long, somewhere two or three months!
                    And as far as I know, Basayev set the conditions on which the leaders of the popular front did not agree at that time!
                    First of all, he demanded that all the command be transferred to him, and more he saw the mess that reigned here at that time and being a smart person decided not to get involved, I think that he made the conditions for his participation impossible!
                    Moreover, then Basayev was not so famous yet!
                  2. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 8 July 2013 16: 33 New
                    0
                    You definitely belong to this category.
                    1. Yarbay
                      Yarbay 8 July 2013 16: 48 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Spade
                      You definitely belong to this category.

                      If you write this to Gleb, then I dare to assure you that he is a competent and honored officer!
                      He can and should learn a lot!
                      1. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 8 July 2013 16: 55 New
                        -2
                        You can learn from someone who knows at least something.
                      2. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 8 July 2013 17: 12 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Spade
                        You can learn

                        You are also a competent officer, but you like to argue, often not the case!
                        Even knowing that you are mistaken, you prefer to stand your ground stubbornly, although I have often noticed common arguments as arguments, but completely unsuitable for the subject of the dispute and the specifics of that event!
                        Too hot-tempered, therefore often inattentive!
                        Gleb and you will shamelessly learn!
                      3. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 8 July 2013 17: 23 New
                        +2
                        He knows what I mean. And that's enough.
                      4. Hleb
                        Hleb 8 July 2013 17: 48 New
                        +1
                        I don’t know and I don’t want to know. You can’t tell me anything new and sensible. Sheer demagogy to argue
                      5. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 8 July 2013 18: 03 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Gleb
                        you can’t tell me anything new and sensible. sheer demagogy to argue


                        Here I completely agree with you, although I did not see your discussion, but a couple of times I had to experience this annoying and completely meaningless obstinacy of Lopatov!
                      6. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 8 July 2013 18: 09 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        Here I completely agree with you, although I have not seen your discussion

                        This is five !!!
                    2. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 8 July 2013 18: 13 New
                      +1
                      When you know what any fighter knows, how to dry footcloths under a sheet, then contact.
                      And do not start to advocate for the living of fighters in field camps, if you yourself have not been in this skin. That's all.
                    3. Yarbay
                      Yarbay 8 July 2013 18: 30 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Spade
                      When you know what any fighter knows, how to dry footcloths under a sheet, then contact

                      Quote: Spade
                      This is five !!!

                      Yes, at least twenty-five!)))))
                      I say that I know your character!
                      As for the footcloths, I never wore or intend to!
                      I had boots and socks, I have no complaints about them!
                      I can’t imagine running around the mountains in boots!
                      I know, argue))
                    4. Hleb
                      Hleb 8 July 2013 18: 37 New
                      +1
                      here you are stubborn. well, you were drying under the sheet, well, God forbid. I never thought of it. I already said how I dried my socks. You dug up the tents up to the neck in the ground, well, dig further, we didn’t need to do this ( I don’t even understand why to dig them in, although I saw them at VVshnikov). They also said about the camp, you don’t like this option, well, your right. And I will at least agree with this decision of the Moscow Region, at least advocate
  • Arkan
    Arkan 8 July 2013 14: 47 New
    0
    Quote: Spade
    It’s stupid to say that Basayev, fighting in Karabakh on the side of Azerbaijan, had no contacts with their special services.

    In addition to Karabakh, Basayev in August 1991 participated in the defense of the Government House of the RSFSR (the “White House”) during the putsch of the State Emergency Committee, in addition, he fought against the Georgians in Abkhazia ... If he collaborated with any special services in those years, then it’s more likely total with Russian ...
  • Lopatov
    Lopatov 8 July 2013 11: 11 New
    0
    Quote: Nayhas
    Doku Umarov, an FSB provocateur, at least as Chechen separatists themselves have always called him on the Kavkaz-centr website

    My provider closes this site. How do you know that?
    1. Nayhas
      Nayhas 8 July 2013 12: 34 New
      0
      Once it was opened, from that time I remember. There Umarov was often cursed as a munafiq ...
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 8 July 2013 12: 45 New
        0
        Quote: Nayhas
        Once it was opened, from that time I remember. There Umarov was often cursed as a munafiq ...

        You obviously didn’t look at that resource!
        I often read this resource and have never seen anything like it there!
        Even when there were disagreements inside precisely on this resource, the Gakayev brothers were actively demanding that they again swear an oath to Umarov!
        You are clearly confused!
        1. Arkan
          Arkan 8 July 2013 16: 13 New
          +1
          Quote: Yarbay
          You obviously didn’t look at that resource!

          Greetings Alibek! Yes, most likely Nayhas really confused the resource - three or four years ago Umarov (and Basayev) were often called the "agent of Moscow" by the Chechen security forces.
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 8 July 2013 16: 35 New
            +1
            Quote: Arkan
            Yes, most likely Nayhas really confused the resource - three or four years ago Umarov (and Basayev as well) were often called the "agent of Moscow" by the Chechen security forces

            Hello, Sergey!
            I don’t argue that in private conversations many Chechens called them agents, but in the Caucasus center they never even read criticism of Umarov!
            1. Nayhas
              Nayhas 8 July 2013 18: 21 New
              +1
              Unfortunately, the resource is closed, but I definitely saw there a warning to young people not to succumb to Umarov's provocations, that he had sold out long ago, etc. I didn’t really believe it at that time, because Chechens constantly suspected someone of having links with Russia, but the fact is that after 14! years Umarov lives and regularly opens his mouth makes him draw an appropriate conclusion. After all, he is hiding not in London, not in the Middle East, but in Russia. The same Said Buryatsky, a preacher who was declared almost the most important leader of the underground, was caught and sent to Allah, because he was dangerous, he spread sermons on the Internet, influenced the consciousness of young people, but the "last of the Mohicans", the trouble is, they cannot catch it. ..
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay 8 July 2013 18: 48 New
                0
                Quote: Nayhas
                Unfortunately, the resource is closed, but I definitely saw a warning there to young people not to succumb to Umarov’s provocation

                Probably there is some kind of forum there !!
                Alas, I did not pay attention!
                but on the site itself and in the articles there I have not seen this!
          2. Hleb
            Hleb 8 July 2013 17: 55 New
            0
            By the way, the question is, who is meant by "Chechen security officials"? They themselves did what they brought down the brothers later. And the peaceful ones are not an exception. You can't listen to them either.
  • poquello
    poquello 9 July 2013 00: 29 New
    +1
    "Thanks to the open borders, separatism from Chechnya has spread throughout the Caucasus, and now it is necessary to spend huge amounts of money on security not only in Chechnya, but in all the republics of the Caucasus, even in the Stavropol Territory .."

    So straight and crawled to the Tatarstan far creep. Maybe separatism doesn’t have to creep anywhere, for it is everywhere. Like bacteria, they are everywhere but manifest themselves under favorable conditions.
  • Vrungel78
    Vrungel78 8 July 2013 08: 54 New
    +8
    I am for world peace. But I really want to give in the face to those who do not share my beliefs. Militants of various nationalities, amers, fall into this category. At the same time you can kick homosexuals from Europe
  • FunkschNNX
    FunkschNNX 8 July 2013 09: 13 New
    13
    Like Hardingush said: only a hole from a bullet in the head can shed light on the minds of these fanatics.
  • Muxauk
    Muxauk 8 July 2013 09: 21 New
    +4
    Chechnya cannot be given away, at least because Chechens loyal to Russia still live there, but our policy on Chechnya is shitty, we must beat the militants harshly, no trial and investigation, execution, period. if we also lisp with them, it will not lead to anything good. they have already spread not weakly throughout the country, and if they are not "thrown in the toilet" then everything can end sadly
    1. Vrungel78
      Vrungel78 8 July 2013 09: 28 New
      +5
      Quote: MuxaHuk
      execution and point.

      Just not shooting, but something more humiliating, or something. The execution is a great honor for them. Count, for example, in the ass.
      1. O_RUS
        O_RUS 8 July 2013 13: 46 New
        +1
        Quote: Vrungel78
        Count, for example, in the ass.


        .... well, what count? ... these are Muslims ... pork skin
  • Opera
    Opera 8 July 2013 09: 26 New
    19
    Good afternoon. There are quite a few people who grew up in the USSR, who managed to live and work at that time ... So tell me, did you hear a lot about Chechnya, the Chechens then, in general, many operated on such a concept as the North Caucasus in those days? The answer is definitely NO! Why, yes, because a strong state power is always capable of solving problems arising in this vein. Moreover, the authorities are interested in this. They also arose in pre-revolutionary Russia and were also solved! Note that if all kinds of exhortations and convictions (often by material means this is true and correct if there is such an opportunity) did not bring results, then the question was resolved in such a way that for a very long time the "question" itself did not arise!
    Chechnya has already been separated once with an idiotic general’s smile - they have fought! Bastard, disgusting and remember! The result - all the border territories howled, howled ordinary Chechens (I talked a lot, I know), the war in Dagestan and the deaths of thousands of people!
    Who is Umarov? Yes, by and large, no one! And PR he did not have long! No one and all these his orange allies and call them for Russia in any way!
    Strong central authority is the only cure for this kind of disease.
    And everything will be dignified, noble, as in the good old days - soon!
    1. rennim
      rennim 8 July 2013 09: 41 New
      +3
      You are right OPER. In the current situation, strong power is needed ... as in the days of the USSR. Unfortunately, the current government ... is like a two-headed eagle on the emblem of Russia. On the one hand, absolute liberalism (as for the state), and on the other, usurpation of power to maintain its own power ...
      1. Opera
        Opera 8 July 2013 10: 27 New
        +6
        Quote: rennim
        .On the one hand, absolute liberalism (as regards the state), and on the other, the usurpation of power to maintain its own power ...

        Partly you are right, but only partly! I’ve been in uniform all my life and my friends are appropriate, and this I think is one of the most conservative parts of society. I see real improvements now not in words. Including for people in uniform and in the Caucasus ... I see disadvantages, too, because the realist is not wearing pink glasses. There is simply something to compare and look to the future with optimism. Of course, one should not put up with shortcomings in power. But to shake the boat when the storm is mildly speaking around is idiocy!
        1. poquello
          poquello 9 July 2013 00: 41 New
          +1
          “There is simply something to compare with and to look to the future with optimism. It is certainly not worth putting up with shortcomings in power. But shaking the boat when it’s idiocy, to put it mildly, storms!”

          + You probably can’t say better.
    2. sasha.28blaga
      sasha.28blaga 8 July 2013 10: 54 New
      +3
      And the Cossacks in the field.
      1. Opera
        Opera 8 July 2013 11: 06 New
        +1
        Quote: sasha.28blaga
        And the Cossacks in the field

        The bigger, the better!
      2. Black
        Black 8 July 2013 11: 38 New
        +3
        Quote: sasha.28blaga
        And the Cossacks in the field.


        Here is a paradox. don't you find?
        An article appears about the Cossacks .... And the site collapses, not the people !!!! (runaway slaves), mummers! There is no reason to object !!!, Cossack patrols in the cities, etc., etc.
        But as soon as we start to think, who is able to restrain the Caucasus, COSSACKS AND WHAT MORE_THE BETTER.
        1. dmb
          dmb 8 July 2013 15: 11 New
          0
          Sorry, but this is not a paradox, this is stupidity. And a dangerous nonsense. However, her ideological inspirers are not at all stupid people. Weapons should be owned and given the right to use only the state and only state structures. Let me remind you that it was so in the USSR, and rightly so. But when the "daragoy Mikhal Sergeevich" and his shobla began to introduce democracy, the "national democrats", or, more simply, the bandits, started from Karabakh, then there were Tbilisi, Osh, Baku, the Balts and Grozny. In 1973, quite a few Ingush demanded "democracy" with both guns and knives. But they were afraid to use them, the landing party quickly explained to them what would come of it. You have a guarantee that there will not be a dozen screamers among the Cossacks who wish to represent the sovereign state of "Cossack" in the UN. There are even those on the site. While they just bawl, this is half the trouble, but if they have trunks. little will not seem to anyone. And I'm not at all sure that they will start with the Chechens.
          1. Tersky
            Tersky 8 July 2013 18: 11 New
            +1
            Quote: dmb
            You have a guarantee that there will not be a dozen screamers among the Cossacks who would like to represent the sovereign state of "Cossack" in the UN. There are even those on the site. While they just bawl, this is half the trouble, but if they have trunks. little will not seem to anyone. And I'm not at all sure that they will start with the Chechens.

            Do not carry the Akhineya, after the clowns - "dung", we are not talking about the screamers dressed in stripe trousers who wind up fables about their ethnicity and "sovereign" state "Cossacks", but about true hereditary Cossacks. Yes, what you are actually afraid of, we are talking about the Terek and Kuban Cossacks, who directly live on the border with Chechnya, and for centuries protected the Orthodox from robberies, theft and lawlessness of the same Vainakhs and Lezginka and Caucasian weddings with shooting on the streets of Russian cities in those days as it was not observed. Not otherwise, a knife under the ribs from a bearded scumbag is much more pleasant and closer to you than a weapon in the hands of a Cossack.
            1. dmb
              dmb 8 July 2013 22: 29 New
              0
              This is great. It’s famously for a Cossack to label (I mean nonsense). That's just the mistake came out. I can only recommend, before writing comments, a little interest in the opponent. If your lyrics come down for fellow citizens who did not go further than Butovo and did not know geography, then here you flew by. Even in Butovo, some people know geography, and therefore they were amazed to read about the Kuban Cossacks living on the border with Chechnya. Shooting at Cossack weddings is no less common than at Chechen weddings, and I don’t even speak about Lezghinka, you know the traditions. In 1994, when ours entered Chechnya, the Cossack community was asked to conclude a contract for three months and hammer the Czechs on completely legal grounds. But here until now loudly shouting about standing for Mother Russia sharply remembered their stalls and containers in the market, and therefore with great difficulty they managed to scrape together people for only one battalion. To his credit, he fought well. There are enough bearded thugs among all nationalities, and in order for them to be gone, state bodies must fulfill their direct duties.
        2. Tersky
          Tersky 8 July 2013 18: 04 New
          +2
          Quote: Chen
          An article appears about the Cossacks .... And the site collapses, not the people !!!! (runaway serfs), mummers! There is no reason to object !!!

          Sergey, hi ! Well, until the thunder strikes .... About the Cossacks we have only bad things, and the former merits of ignore. It’s easier to spit than to think.
  • JIaIIoTb
    JIaIIoTb 8 July 2013 09: 33 New
    +7
    Levada Center is a foreign agent. For whom, and most importantly for what purposes the polls are conducted, I think it’s clear. Obviously not in the interests of Russia.
    Sincerely.
  • Muxauk
    Muxauk 8 July 2013 09: 33 New
    +2
    Quote: Vrungel78
    Quote: MuxaHuk
    execution and point.

    Just not shooting, but something more humiliating, or something. The execution is a great honor for them. Count, for example, in the ass.

    this is also possible, but lead in the forehead is necessary, for the disinfection of radical thoughts
    Kadyrov, he is doing something in Chechnya, but he is not a politician in my opinion
  • kosmos84
    kosmos84 8 July 2013 09: 58 New
    +3
    it is necessary to deal with sponsors first of all, spitting on the norms of INTERNATIONAL LAW, with saudas and qatar
  • Navy7981
    Navy7981 8 July 2013 09: 59 New
    11
    It is necessary to fight them according to their rules. As they are to them. Terror, so terror. They sincerely believe that we cannot cut. As much as we can. The patience nut dangles on the last thread of the thread. Personally, I was bothered by the conversations of our leaders that we should always respect whom there. Good. I agree, but explain why? You can respect for something! What did they do, build, implement? Nothing! Essentially a complete zero. The behavior of most of their representatives is based on instinct. I want - I take it! Do not give - I’ll take it away! Resists - I will kill and take everything. What have we been identified for the slaughter?
  • Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 8 July 2013 10: 03 New
    +2
    <<< Well, Levada-Center conducted a typical survey for itself, and cooked up digestible results for itself (and its sponsors). >>>
    From the opuses of this "center" carries such a frank order that the name "Ble..avda - Center" would be more suitable for him!
  • Navuxonastupil
    Navuxonastupil 8 July 2013 10: 04 New
    +5
    Maybe not in the subject, but about that. Recently, a short plot slipped on TV - one American company that produces ammunition announced the release of a range of ammunition of a special modification "Haram" most widespread in the United States. They differ from ordinary ones in that the bullets are covered with a special paint, containing PORK !!! Thus, a Muslim killed by such a bullet will not automatically be able to enter his heavenly paradise and 87 virgins will have to be spilled on to someone else! They said that in the sphere of recent events these cartridges are swept off the shelves like hot cakes! Can it adopt the best practices and equip units in the North Caucasus with such ammunition?
    And it would be good for the irreconcilable soldiers of Allah to remember HOW their friend Salman Raduyev was buried near the town of Solikamsk, Perm Territory, who "died" in his time while serving a life sentence in White Swan!
    1. Black
      Black 8 July 2013 10: 22 New
      +3
      Quote: Navuxonastupil
      They differ from ordinary ones in that the bullets are coated with a special paint containing PORK !!!

      Do you really believe that these vampires of Allah? What are they fighting for the idea? God with you!!!! Yes, put on them cowardly cowards- they will still sit in the forest and do the same. The driving force of the war is banal loot, access to financial flows, oil and other things.
      External management, liquidation of the republic (Dagestan, Kabarda, etc.) - the creation of the Transcaucasian republic with the untying of hands to law enforcement agencies and the use of the most severe means and methods, then this cattle will be obedient.
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 8 July 2013 11: 00 New
        +4
        Quote: Chen
        Do you really believe that these vampires of Allah?

        You're right!!
        They have nothing in common with Islam!
        Ordinary shaitanists!
        There are just a lot of sincerely mistaken among them!
        Quote: Chen
        yes put on them cowardly cowards- they will still sit in the forest and do the same
        As for pork, I wrote more than once!
        Here they wrote that it’s like if you wrap a corpse in a pork skin, it’s like a Muslim will not go to heaven)))) The stupidity of dark people!
        Allah rewards paradise or punishes hell for deeds, and not for the form in which they were buried!
        There is no sin on the dead because of how they buried him!
        this sin of those who bury !!
        That is, those who did this will have more problems before God, plus their relatives will be angry, as this will be considered mockery of the corpse !!
        with respect!
      2. KG_patriot_last
        KG_patriot_last 8 July 2013 12: 52 New
        0
        They will release a fatwa that if the infidels did this, then there is no difference in the skin of a pig or not. Recently, one who imagines himself equal to our Prophet Muhammad, sallallah alaykhim vasalam, issued a fatwa through which you can rape any jihad that does not support them in Syria, whether married or not, the child or not ... Forgave all sins in advance for our Allah, generally well done, the lip is not a fool for this dude ...

        By the way, about women ... As you know, if you go to heaven, then you are supposed to be in different impressions of different "saints" from 72 houris in general, up to 100 virgin houris a day until the end of time ...
        Although the Prophet himself only said that in paradise you will be reunited with "one beloved returned to virginity."

        Tomorrow Friday it will be necessary to ask whether it is possible to choose the race and appearance of the gurus, I don’t like the Arabs (accordingly, the Arab beauty described by the gurus does not like, for some reason I imagine a monkey in my head at this moment, and then the device does not work). Anyway, they will need to be shared with someone, or I’ll have some kind of palace where I can imprison them individually. And in general, at the same time it seems like a few are fornication, but what about 72 if I don’t have a palace? And if people in paradise will go like that at what age they died, is it really necessary to go to jihad so as not to die impotent in 90 years? It’s also not supposed to kill oneself in the dawn of forces (although it seems the fatwas about the martyrs were released)

        In general, there are a lot of questions, pretend fatwa, then sit on your head ... Each will add something, change the words of the Prophet ... And then he cuts his head if he obeyed the Prophet, and not his fatwa ... fellow
    2. Yarbay
      Yarbay 8 July 2013 10: 52 New
      +1
      Quote: Navuxonastupil
      They differ from ordinary ones in that the bullets are coated with a special paint containing PORK !!! Thus, a Muslim killed by such a bullet will not automatically be able to get into his b ... paradise and 87 virgins will have to be spurred by someone else

      this is nonsense for the illiterate !!)))
      1. Black
        Black 8 July 2013 12: 07 New
        +1
        Quote: Yarbay
        this is nonsense for the illiterate!

        You are absolutely right, because you see the problem from the inside.
        Islam has nothing to do with what is carried under its banners. Religion is used (it must be said skillfully !!!) for fooling, for veiling true goals.
        And as a result, some begin to glorify the greatness of Allah with each pull of the trigger, others hate Islam as a whole. Goals achieved!
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 8 July 2013 12: 42 New
          +2
          Quote: Chen
          Islam has nothing to do with what is carried under its banners. Religion is used (it must be said skillfully !!!) for fooling, for veiling true goals.

          Quote: Chen
          Islam has nothing to do with what is carried under its banners. Religion is used (it must be said skillfully !!!) for fooling, for veiling true goals.

          The big trouble is that they do not oppose the Satanists in any way!
          On the contrary, they are advertised by showing their bravery and calling them Salafists!
          Millions of discs are released worldwide with their delirium!
          And those who expose them do not publish, and these are famous scientists!
          I will give you short clips exposing Wahhabis!
          Representatives of both Sunnis, Shiites, and Sufis expose here!
          That is, every competent Muslim understands that the Wahhabis are the party of Satan!


          1. Black
            Black 8 July 2013 13: 20 New
            +1
            Quote: Yarbay
            The big trouble is that they do not oppose the Satanists in any way!


            Yes you are right. Shaitanism lives and thrives !!!
            Tatarstan Bashkiria. Siberia. Russia is covered in mold of Wahhabism. True Islam, therefore, the Orthodox are more and more mistaken for a threat, for an evil.
    3. EtickayaSila
      EtickayaSila 8 July 2013 11: 14 New
      0
      HaHa, ammunition with pork ... laughed heartily, if not a duck (which looks like a lot), then we must pay tribute to the creators' wit.
    4. 12061973
      12061973 8 July 2013 11: 51 New
      0
      Quote: Navuxonastupil
      ". They differ from the usual ones in that the bullets are covered with a special paint containing PORK !!! Thus, a Muslim killed by such a bullet will not automatically be able to get into his ... heavenly paradise, and someone else will have to spud 87 virgins! that in the sphere of recent events these cartridges are swept off the shelves like hot cakes!

      that's what the expression means to put a pig, now I will know.
    5. Tykta
      Tykta 8 July 2013 12: 11 New
      -1
      Are there really people so stupid that they believe in fairy tales? Eating and getting a bullet in the head - the difference is obvious isn't it? Muslims probably laugh at such idiots like you, well, they are definitely not stupid people, and even if you directly interpret their prohibitions, then a 10-year-old puppy will surely understand this by the combination of intention and cause of death of the deceased. Or will the Muslims eat it before dying from a "painted" bullet?
      PS: they have seen enough series about vampires and werewolves and think that the best way to kill muslim is to hit it with a pork bullet .... like muslim from pork, like vampires from garlic bend and lose strength, and sprinkle muslim with holy water will lose its feelings ... what same nonsense !!!
  • Xnumx kopeek
    Xnumx kopeek 8 July 2013 10: 17 New
    +2
    Quote: 20 kopeek
    Well, a Chechen has lied about the bones of his ancestors. Sochi, Anapa, Maykop, and then the land of the Circassians, are not Chechen.
    In general, the idea is a stupid / Olympiad / -and an obvious "payoff".

    - I will add - in such places where the remains of people / treasure, mass. burials, etc. / have bad feng shui- / energy from the earth, soil /. ​​in other words, misfortunes always beat there / if the road is built on such land, then there are constant traffic accidents. itd / - I read recently that where Olympus is being built, / in the north / the road / new / slides somewhere / as always, to the sea / -So right away you have to hold the Sea Olympic Games-
  • Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 8 July 2013 10: 32 New
    +6
    How lucky Chechnya and all the peoples of the Caucasus are! It's just fabulous, they must pray to Allah day and night, for the health of the Russian state, with its extremely soft, simply incredibly soft methods of calming unrest. If you imagine the attitude to the "pacification" of the Caucasus as a pendulum, where the far left corner is the current method, and in the far right the recipes of the "glorious" 36th SS Grenadier Division "Dirlewanger", the pendulum can move from the left position to the right, and then they will understand how wrong they are. Russia's titanic patience is true! But anyone "freak" in Sochi can change everything.
  • Sergey13
    Sergey13 8 July 2013 10: 34 New
    +1
    Can anyone comment - Levada Center is not classified as an agent of influence?
    1. Black
      Black 8 July 2013 12: 39 New
      +1
      Quote: Sergey13
      Can anyone comment - Levada Center is not classified as an agent of influence?


      And what doubts are there?
      Call me at least one agency, publishing house, etc., which would not carry a function of influence.
      Agent, foreign agent, with everything flowing from here.
  • Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya 8 July 2013 10: 37 New
    +3
    Quote: ShadowCat
    Ehehe, history teaches us that we do not learn anything. Want to play with a gun? so you need to understand the responsibility for this game. At the request did not put - do not be offended that they will shoot, in order to avoid so to speak.
    What am I talking about the story? I recall Berlin 45th. When a large number of gangs divorced in the ruined city, which were sponsored by the Allies and, after committing various attacks, took refuge in the territory of the Allies, and they shrugged their shoulders to say we don’t know.
    The commandant took just two companies of fighters, took the language and went "neighborly" to visit and took the lair with a full-fledged military assault. All. After such a demonstration, the allies themselves issued only as soon as the commandant hinted at this.
    Something like this.

    Again, you yourself said that the command of this was interested, and in our time, if they were interested, the war would end, with the first campaign, and not with the Lebedev truce.
  • Mairos
    Mairos 8 July 2013 10: 38 New
    +2
    "According to Umarov himself, the Russian authorities, the quote:" today they do not understand kindness - they consider kindness as weakness. " - I see it .. In the Caucasus, kindness has ALWAYS been considered a weakness, you are either a wolf or a sheep.
  • Letterksi
    Letterksi 8 July 2013 10: 47 New
    +2
    It’s interesting, but for the majority of Russians, what is closer to Umarov, Kadyrov, Sochi14 or Levada Center? Or maybe your own well-being? In my opinion, all of the above points only harm the well-being of the inhabitants of Russia, in one way or another. Unreasonably big money is spent on something or someone, someone threatens with terrorist attacks, someone hangs out the facts of the polls like a card sharper. All this is one chain. All this is a consequence of a smoldering fire, which no one really wants to extinguish, because smoldering is very beneficial for everyone listed except for the population of the country. If anyone tries, he will be severely punished. It is better to boycott the entire chain and unite to achieve your goals, and not be a pawn in someone else's deadly games
  • Xnumx kopeek
    Xnumx kopeek 8 July 2013 10: 49 New
    +2
    But in general, is there Umarov? Mb Is he a hologram too, like Bin Laden? wassat
  • Opera
    Opera 8 July 2013 10: 52 New
    0
    Quote: Navy7981
    The behavior of most of their representatives is based on instinct. I want - I take it! Do not give - I’ll take it away! Resists - I will kill and take everything. What have we been identified for the slaughter?

    ... in the face they gave me the answer as it should and I’ll run for friends more than once, we gave it to friends again, including we’ll run again - we’ll catch up with conversations ...
    No need to cut, not ours! It is necessary to answer in such a way that even there would be no doubt that the next time it will be different! I think I understand you to fight with them according to their rules, but you must fight according to your own rules as we know how - there will be no problem! I am not a beast and I will not cut a creep crawling in front of you in tears! This must be shown to people! You have a good avatar, if not for nothing, then I think and before you crawled and kissed the shoes of those who recently mocked people! You don’t need to scrub your hands on this scum - to shoot like mad animals and tell people about it more often, including in the Caucasus, there they are no less if not more tired of this scum.
  • J. Tapia
    J. Tapia 8 July 2013 11: 04 New
    +2
    rat rat ... hmm ... a very suitable name)
  • Yeraz
    Yeraz 8 July 2013 11: 15 New
    +1
    Well, the results of the Levada Center are not surprising, the republics of the North Caucasus, especially Chechnya and Dagestan, are for many inhabitants independent states, a new war in the Caucasus cannot be avoided, it’s all a matter of 50 years, a hundred, but no one has completely pacified the Caucasus, the councils managed to pay off time and then only with the help of eviction, but everything returns with a boomerang ...
    1. poquello
      poquello 9 July 2013 01: 11 New
      +1
      "Well, the results of the Levada Center are not surprising, the republics of the North Caucasus, especially Chechnya and Dagestan, for many inhabitants are independent states, a new war in the Caucasus cannot be avoided, it's all a matter of 50 years, a hundred years, but nobody has completely pacified the Caucasus, the Soviets have managed to extinguish for a while and then only with the help of eviction, but everything comes back like a boomerang ... "

      Bublomerang, when sponsors with inspirers will be suspended on the fence by the balls - everything will be calm there. It was not the Soviets who managed to repay, but the West managed to rekindle and not only there. All that flashed through the scoop - the result of many years of focused work, accurate propaganda and the gradual grinding of various goals for different Soviet peoples.
  • Mhpv
    Mhpv 8 July 2013 11: 24 New
    +2
    Well, probably many of us remember the folklore for the song of Genghis Khan:
    "Moscow-moscow, we throw bombs,
    There will be an Olympiad for you, a-ha-ha-ha-ha. "
    Then the Americans did a lot of effort not to let the Olympics in Moscow take place, even boycotted it, and so what?
    FSB Umarov should arrange for an accident and a heart attack in Soviet times, and let Qatar and Saudi Arabia have an Arab winter in front of Sochi, even if they are in power, moreover, these revolutions will come closer to them.
  • Eric
    Eric 8 July 2013 11: 52 New
    +1
    Quote: w.ebdo.g
    As Putin once said, "whoever did not hide, I am not to blame ..."

    It's not about Putin, who is standing across the throat of the United States, it's about the Russian people. First of all, in it, that Putin without the people? What is any ruler, without those whom he could rule? What a shepherd without a flock. The praises of Pu. Are sung, and the people should sing. Our people, and they will be, until they realize their weight on Russian soil. And this applies to national minorities. Pu and KO to fight with their handful for you will not go anywhere. And here you are, for your mother land will go. Fundamental differences.
  • morpogr
    morpogr 8 July 2013 11: 57 New
    0
    In Qatar and Arabia, a change of power happened, by inheritance and law, but somehow very quickly, and then Egypt dropped it. any election or date.
  • Russ69
    Russ69 8 July 2013 12: 08 New
    +2
    First, conduct two wars, lose several thousand people, then invest a bunch of dough in the restoration. And now take and separate. Great stupidity, even hard to come up with.
    With regards to Kadyrov, in his opinion he is now quite coping with his task. And let our grand-defenders squeal about the violation of some kind of militant rights there, Ramzan did not soar, but arranged a small 37-year-old in a single region. But now the number of terrorist attacks, there is the lowest, all the fighters fled to neighboring regions.
    With regards to wealth and other things, this does not only apply to him. our governors and mayors do not suffer asceticism anywhere.
    A couple of years ago I saw documents on the cost of roads, kindergartens, hospitals by region. So what surprised us is the cost of construction and the further maintenance of a kindergarten for 80 children in Chechnya is the lowest. The same thing with roads, if memory serves 1km, it cost about 2 million bucks. In the same Tambov and Ryazan it is already about 5 million, and it’s not worth talking about Moscow.
  • Black
    Black 8 July 2013 12: 28 New
    +2
    Quote: Yarbay
    The big question of Chechnya and the problems of the entire North Caucasus cannot be resolved without a set of tough measures, first of all, without eradicating corruption and localism !! But it must be resolved nationwide and I am convinced that the political will of the leadership is enough!


    It seems to me that this is concentrated on the very essence of the "Chechnya" problem.
    You can grind, there’s nothing to add.
  • knn54
    knn54 8 July 2013 12: 41 New
    +1
    To demolish the homes of relatives of terrorists - as in Israel.
    Wrap their corpses in pork skins - as in Yugoslavia.
    Do not give out corpses to relatives for burial.
    Build (a lot of money has been allocated for the region) Guantanamo analogue. And to work according to the AMERICAN interrogation methodology - let Western democracies and their keepers try to condemn the Big Brother methods.
    And I think that Kadyrov and Umarov cannot get along in this world - they should be left alone.
  • Sergey Medvedev
    Sergey Medvedev 8 July 2013 12: 44 New
    +1
    I propose for discussion the option of separating Chechnya.
    1. The lands of the Terek Cossack Army, now part of Chechnya, should be returned to the Stavropol Territory.
    2. Chechens from all over Russia should be taken to the remaining Chechen land with the ban on leaving this reservation.
    3. Strengthen the border (not only barbed wire, but also minefields, etc.)
    4. Provide them with the broadest autonomy, including:
    - Sharia law;
    - shooting at weddings and in other places (preferably at each other);
    - The massacre of sheep, including two-legged unfriendly teips;
    5. To prohibit the leadership of Chechnya any foreign policy activity, such as military alliances, bases, etc.
    6. In contrast to the "bad Chechens" who receive weapons from the oil sheikhs, provide weapons to the "good Chechens" to maintain democratic stability. To do this, study the best US practices in Iraq, Libya, Syria and Afghanistan.
    7. To finance this project, direct the money that is currently spent on "restoring what was destroyed in Chechnya." It will also remain. soldier
  • shark
    shark 8 July 2013 12: 45 New
    +1
    Of course, there will be a clean-up of the Caucasus after the Olympics. Now they’re not really doing it, they’re afraid of the resonance of the liberals. The alignment of forces is now somewhat different than in the second Caucasus. Roughly speaking, we have become stronger, and the traitors at the very top have been reduced. So as they say all the chances yes. And if the Syrian army (glory to it) has been quite successfully opposing terrorists for several years, then God himself ordered us to sweep them with bloody fragments on the rocks.
    But Ramzan, what’s wrong with him? The patriot of his republic, loyal to the Russian state, is young and energetic. What else do you expect from him? What will he write in the passport in the column nationality-Russian))))
    1. Andrey77
      Andrey77 8 July 2013 13: 02 New
      0
      And Ramzan, what’s wrong with him? A patriot of his republic, loyal to the Russian state
      --
      Loyal, while paying (or allocating a budget - as convenient). He’s a thug, to be honest. The general of the Russian Army must be made president of Chechnya. So it has been for centuries. Although the paid thug is more convenient for Russia financially - it feeds at its own expense, the order in the republic is iron.
  • Yuri Y.
    Yuri Y. 8 July 2013 12: 45 New
    0
    Quote: Yarbay
    Quote: Chen
    If something happened to Kadyrov (physically. Or change the vector (it will blow away the roof from copper pipes, for example)), and what to look for a new "Kadyrov"?
    Apparently it will be so, especially now there are a lot of people already tied up with blood!
    It’s unlikely that anything can be changed!

    This is an old, still tsarist Russia, national policy. Include
    elites are local elites or forces capable of maintaining order. And on the territory of Russia you can’t say that it was not effective, without any
    genocides. Of course central authority should to be strong.
    1. Black
      Black 8 July 2013 13: 10 New
      +1
      Quote: Yuri Ya.
      without any
      genocides. Of course, central authority must be strong.

      Nobody calls to genocide.
      Quote: Yuri Ya.
      Include
      elites are local elites or forces capable of maintaining order.

      This could be dispensed with in the 19th century. Now the situation is completely different - informational, demographic, communicative, ...... buying the elite cannot solve the issue.
    2. Andrey77
      Andrey77 8 July 2013 13: 10 New
      0
      This is the only effective measure so far. If you can’t control the crowd, put yourself (bribe) the leader of the crowd. All countries of the world indulge in this. In the USA, for example, the most important person for an ordinary resident is state measures. But not the president of the United States. Laws in two neighboring states can differ dramatically.
  • Feka
    Feka 8 July 2013 13: 20 New
    0
    Quote: mhpv
    Umarov FSB should arrange as in Soviet times an accident


    He's sitting in the mountains? Then I imagine the headlines: "Hit by a tank!" laughing
  • papss
    papss 8 July 2013 13: 28 New
    0
    the leader of the so-called "Caucasus Emirate" Doku Umarov, who announced the start of a campaign to disrupt the Sochi Olympics.
    ... nothing will come of it ... The dog will not rush at his master ... But they already talked with the owner ...
    "Today I agreed with Vladimir Putin that in order to ensure the security of the Olympic Games, we must establish cooperation to a certain extent between the foreign intelligence services of our countries," Cameron said at a press conference after talks with the Russian president in Sochi.
  • Andriasov
    Andriasov 8 July 2013 13: 51 New
    0
    terrorist attack in the usa during a sporting event - training mercenaries? then they will indicate what you see supposedly where the evil has concentrated, an urgent NATO base in Georgia, for example, needs to be created ..
  • Muxauk
    Muxauk 8 July 2013 14: 00 New
    +1
    Kadyrov will be poisoned, he is a patriot of his republic, he takes a lot of money from the budget, but look at Chechnya, it is flourishing, it’s not a snake’s nest anymore, it will be possible to build resorts soon.
    fighters in neighboring republics fled, they are afraid of him, even if the budget is cut, there will be no war. he used to be a gangster, but they managed to save him and put him on the right path, and he does more than many of us together, risked his life more than once, I think his bandits did not forgive.
    he is a bad politician, but a good soldier, and soldiers are needed at the head of the country in the most difficult time
  • Yuri Y.
    Yuri Y. 8 July 2013 14: 15 New
    0
    Quote: Chen
    Quote: Yuri Ya.
    without any
    genocides. Of course, central authority must be strong.

    Nobody calls to genocide.
    Quote: Yuri Ya.
    Include
    elites are local elites or forces capable of maintaining order.

    This could be dispensed with in the 19th century. Now the situation is completely different - informational, demographic, communicative, ...... buying the elite cannot solve the issue.

    Do not take it out of context, unless it is said that the covenant. What about the national
    politics towards Chechnya did not notice the difference. And include
    its elite is not exactly a purchase, although I foresee all the rebirths.
    1. Black
      Black 8 July 2013 17: 55 New
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      Quote: Yuri Ya.
      Do not take it out of context, unless it is said that the covenant. What about the national
      politics towards Chechnya did not notice the difference.

      1. I didn’t try to pull it out. I thought you decided that I was advocating genocide.
      I am convinced that the Stalinist method is not humane, for the machine does not make out who is right, who is wrong.
      For all my superior rhetoric among Vainakhs, I have many friends (in any case, I considered them to be such until the age of 91). And I know, Chechnya is not alone.
      2. What about the national
      politics towards Chechnya did not notice the difference.

      Sorry, I did not understand your thought.
  • 12061973
    12061973 8 July 2013 15: 09 New
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    Quote: Tersky
    I visit Chechnya almost every month, as I haven’t tried to find but fortunetellers of gypsy nationality and have never seen

    you went there guessing.
  • Massik
    Massik 8 July 2013 15: 12 New
    +1
    They wanted to separate, yeah, as it were, if the Icherkiy Imamat appeared on the map, it’s only like a desert in which people once lived ...
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    12061973 8 July 2013 15: 16 New
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    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Or maybe not!

    it’s going to happen forever, it can’t continue even more so the speech * enough to feed the Caucasus * does not stop.