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Spoiled independence day

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The bright holiday of US independence could have been more successful if not for a series of foreign policy failures. Talking about them is possible and not necessary, because all this happens in front of those who are interested the news and political analytics.

Nevertheless, let us try to consider some aspects of the US position internationally and, above all, in connection with the ongoing political detective story about Edward Snowden. The secret information sinks seem to be of the most interest to readers today. Therefore, the author of this article promises to merge information about Russian-language online media controlled by the United States. Now you will know everything and in the future you will be able for yourself to conclude who is who.

It is necessary to start all the same with the fact that with Snowden everything becomes more interesting and more interesting. In fact, we are witnesses to the clash of the special services and no one will ever mention anything like it. First time in stories we see everything almost on the air, we are witnessing an exciting party of the strongest opposition. The stakes in this matter are so high that the result of the confrontation will necessarily reflect on the image of the United States; this story will be reflected in the image of Russia only if Russia wins in this confrontation.

If Russia loses, then there will be no shame for Russia. Snowden is not a Russian headache. Putin, in this sense, only processes the material that has fallen on him. In addition, Putin does not exclude that Snowden is a provocateur. Perhaps this explains why Snowden managed to leave Hong Kong and what China knows about Snowden, that he does not show interest in his person? It looks completely illogical to hunt for American secrets, and when the informant himself swims in their hands, suddenly lose interest in him, where is the logic?

In addition to questions, you probably need to trace the dynamics of events. The incident with the plane Evo Morales, too, should not pass unnoticed. Here is a whole chain of events that should lead us to the idea that in this story there are more hunters than game. Analysts are inclined to say that the EU impacted the aircraft of the President of Bolivia not at the request of the United States. The EU tried to seize the initiative and get Snowden himself in order to find out who exactly and how the USA listened to in Europe. This suggests that Europe does not want to be content with American lies. After all, a month ago when asked by the senators whether the CIA Americans listened to the CIA director John Brennan confidently stated that he was not listening, now it turned out that he lied tritely. Why should Europe believe him in this case?

If Snowden were on the Morales plane, he would be arrested and he would have to testify who the Americans were listening to in the EU. The Americans were seriously scared and immediately turned to Morales with a request to extradite Snowden. The calculation was as follows: if Snowden was on the plane, then the European Union would immediately be relegated to the background, the priority would be for the United States, because this is a US citizen who illegally crossed the air borders without a valid passport. The EU would have to retreat.

In general, it must be said that from the very beginning everything was like wiring. The president of Bolivia willingly shared the idea that Snowden could be given political asylum. In the US and the EU, they immediately swallowed the bait and made a stand for the next plane through Europe. Who has it benefited? Among the beneficiaries is, of course, Russia. On the one hand, Putin no longer needs to tell Snowden what will happen to him outside of Russia, it seems that this is clear as May day. All this will have an effect on the fugitive in the way necessary for Russia. In this case, it is completely understandable that wherever a former CIA employee went to Europe, he would not be saved. Americans will dozhmut any country and will land any aircraft anywhere in the world. Does anyone have any doubts in this? Only Russia is beyond the control of Americans.

It is this last moment that reduces the jaws of those who would like to see Russia dead and blindly performing someone else's will. These people are not US patriots and act primarily in the name of their interests. At the same time, Snowden is the man who truly declared the proper height for public policy.

Well, what will happen next? By what we see, Putin has finally confused everyone. Journalists, like restless and stray dogs, scour in search of Snowden. Many adventurer journalists from all over the world are striving today at Sheremetyevo in the hope of seeing Snowden there. Nothing teaches these people. Did Putin serve for so many years in one of the most closed KGB units, so that some journalists could stare at someone who is so important to the whole world today? Agree, if you scan the Internet for the last week, then Snowden will come first, then Putin and then it doesn't matter who, but Obama is not among the top three. He just disappeared from the network.

With this, too, all is not clear. As stated earlier, many Russian-language online media are not controlled from Russia, and our portal CONTRPOST.COM as well. The difference here is that we do not receive money from anyone. Thus, we are able to speak regardless of what anyone would like to hear. Servers can be located anywhere and the names also do not mean much, but there is some way that will help to accurately determine whether the United States controls a particular resource. Today, July 4, readers of our portal have a wonderful chance to find out who is pulling the strings.

The thing is that 4 July is one of the greatest holidays of the New World. Today is US independence day. The holiday is so significant for Americans that working on such a day is a sin. Therefore, those online media that are controlled from the United States either will not receive new materials at all, or there will be very few of them. So what exactly today you will have the opportunity to dot the i's. Just browse the sites that you usually visit, and it will become clear to you who is who.

If we are talking about Independence Day, we would like to note that many families today will not have time for the holiday. For the first time in almost 30 years, the country's position is probably the lowest economically. Very often we hear about bravura employment reports, but this is the same truth as “the neighing of the gray mare for the old month”. Victory reports on the rising dollar is just speculation. The patient also sweated before cooling. One gets the feeling that everyone is very busy with their business and do not notice that the ship was left without a rudder and without wind. In such a situation, it is not Snowden who needs to be caught, but to hold his nose in the wind, it seems that no one in the US is going to do.

There is one very interesting difference between Russia and the United States. In the photo above, you see how obsolete flags are burned in the United States. Looking at all this I want to remember that in whatever form the battle flags in Russia would appear, they would never be subjected to such shameful burning. In Russia, these are symbols of the struggle for the Motherland and for justice; they are kept in museums and rooms of glory during combat units; the next generations of warriors are brought up in them. In the US, as we see, everything happens differently. Perhaps this is correct. We can’t say that under this banner we burned Vietnamese villages with napalm, but under this we made nuclear bombings of Hiroshima. These banners inspired American fighters for justice when they bombed Afghanistan, killing civilians and leaving untouched poppy fields intact. Under these banners, we bombed Libya and now cover the atrocities of cannibals in Syria, chopping off the heads of Catholic priests. It is possible that no one wants such a shame for their country, therefore the flags are burning.
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  1. valokordin
    valokordin 5 July 2013 06: 45 New
    32
    Let the independent Abkhazia and South Ossetia give refuge to the American.
    1. vlad767
      vlad767 5 July 2013 08: 10 New
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      Well, that might be a good idea. The West does not recognize them, so they do not care for the cries of the West. In general, the United States thoroughly screwed up on Independence Day! laughing
      1. smrus
        smrus 5 July 2013 10: 02 New
        +8
        I read the whole article, everything seems to be the case, but here is the last:

        Looking at all this, I want to remember that no matter what the combat banners in Russia look like, they will never undergo such shameful burning. In Russia, these are symbols of the struggle for the homeland and for justice, they are stored in museums and rooms of glory in combat units, the following generations of soldiers are brought up on them.


        The fact that they publicly burn state flags is of course for us GREAT WILDbut compare BATTLE BANNERS our grandfathers, it seems to me somehow not logical, busting, I think they will have their BATTLE BANNERS and they are unlikely to burn them, we are talking about banal disposal and how to do it is a separate issue.

        My parents in the village of Volgograd Region have two flags hanging on my house of culture, the state and the flag of our village, so they are already pretty shabby, but nonetheless, every time I visit my parents and look at these NOT FRESH flags, I feel proud. .. and by the way, how will they dispose of it when they decide to hang a new one I also don’t know ... BUT EXACTLY DO NOT PUBLICLY BURN !!!!
        1. Theophanes
          Theophanes 5 July 2013 15: 16 New
          +1
          Burning banners or flags is wildness! But their banners are in the blood of a hundred thousand innocently ruined people. So to keep them is to recall the victims in the name of the sweet life of the Americans. Therefore, they burn them like Nazi victims in concentration camps. They will not burn the memory of their atrocities!
    2. antiaircrafter
      antiaircrafter 5 July 2013 09: 29 New
      +1
      Quote: valokordin
      Let the independent Abkhazia and South Ossetia give refuge to the American.

      And there any intelligence will calmly take it for eggs.
      1. 755962
        755962 5 July 2013 10: 34 New
        +1
        Well, Snowden certainly didn’t "discover America" ​​..
      2. StolzSS
        StolzSS 5 July 2013 11: 11 New
        +3
        What kind of intelligence ??? Hello? Well, they will give him a passport of Abkhazia and that he went there so))) Who in their right mind will let themselves be caught ??? This wiring has so many pitfalls that it’s too early to talk about passports))) wink
      3. e-froloff
        e-froloff 5 July 2013 11: 52 New
        +3
        There his eggs will be covered by Russian intelligence)))
        1. antiaircrafter
          antiaircrafter 5 July 2013 13: 05 New
          +3
          Quote: e-froloff
          Well, they will give him a passport of Abkhazia

          Shelter and passport are slightly different things.
          Quote: e-froloff
          There his eggs will be covered by Russian intelligence)))

          This is easier to do in Russia.
    3. Ivan.
      Ivan. 5 July 2013 14: 13 New
      +2
      Quote: valokordin
      Let the independent Abkhazia and South Ossetia give refuge to the American.

      Better Transnistria would be a bloodless solution to the issue, with one rabbit two bullets of Moldavian and Romanian. This hare is now attracting the attention of the whole world, it must be used - to direct attention to where it is necessary.
    4. Cynic
      Cynic 5 July 2013 18: 25 New
      0
      Quote: valokordin
      independent Abkhazia and South Ossetia

      And why didn’t you please Eduard Snegov? There, the yusovsky state of Georgia is nearby!
      bully
  2. Vanek
    Vanek 5 July 2013 06: 48 New
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    Burn the flags of your country? Well, I don’t know ... There are no words.
    1. Refund_SSSR
      Refund_SSSR 5 July 2013 06: 52 New
      +9
      We have such an article
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 5 July 2013 07: 19 New
      +7
      Quote: Vanek
      Burn the flags of your country? Well, I don’t know ... There are no words.

      Hi Ivan! People are simply accustomed to the fact that all over the world they burn their flags. Accustomed to this people will not ask many questions and wonder too hi
      1. Vanek
        Vanek 5 July 2013 07: 47 New
        +4
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        They just teach people to burn their flags all over the world.


        A negative example is also an example. He shows how to do it is impossible.

        How many of them have had such examples since ... say Vietnam? It's me that is burned all over the world. How much do you need to be flawed, so as not to notice how you are treated in this very world? How is it there? Blind, may he see. Yes, nothing like that !!! It does not threaten them.

        Alexander. hi
      2. itkul
        itkul 5 July 2013 12: 10 New
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        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        People are simply accustomed to the fact that all over the world they burn their flags. Accustomed to this people will not ask many questions and wonder too


        Is it really difficult to upload a photo from the beginning of an article in GOOGLE pictures and see the signature under it in the original

        http://eu-news.ru/den-nezavisimosti-ssha-2011-14-foto.html


        Adjutant of the American Legion at the ceremony of "seeing off the flag of retirement": US flags "retire", the ceremony is served by a guard of honor. (Photo: Jim Pearson / The Messenger via AP)
    3. Denis
      Denis 5 July 2013 07: 42 New
      +4
      Quote: Vanek
      There are no words.

      Yes, even if they burn themselves, this "nation" can no longer be saved ... and I don’t want to.
      1. lewerlin53rus
        lewerlin53rus 5 July 2013 08: 01 New
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        Quote: Denis
        this "nation" can no longer be saved
        What is this nation? Here is the American nation:
        1. Marfoushenka
          Marfoushenka 5 July 2013 09: 46 New
          0
          For native, tuition at all universities is free, and on reservations - if they want to live there, you can keep a casino. A bunch of social bonuses for being native. She studied with the girl half siu - for her mother, half German - for her father. :) It is better to see once than hear a hundred times. Come to Missouri - if you want to take a look at natively or somewhere else ...
          1. Marfoushenka
            Marfoushenka 5 July 2013 10: 06 New
            -1
            Accidentally sealed in a previous post. Meant, of course, "Come to Missouri - if you want to always look native, or somewhere else, a thread ..."
            1. smile
              smile 5 July 2013 14: 59 New
              +1
              Marfoushenka
              Please tell me why all Europeans in common despise Americans (they do not hate, but despise), besides the new-eastern ones, which are a product of US policy and. naturally their satellites?
          2. Ivan.
            Ivan. 5 July 2013 14: 28 New
            +3
            Quote: Marfoushenka
            For native, tuition at all universities is free, and on reservations - if they want to live there, you can keep a casino. A bunch of social bonuses for being native.

            And casinos and beer and drugs are probably welcome from the point of view of power, but they have never been in power, someday, when they are degrading like Obama and shackles, there will also be an opportunity to climb onto the platform under the top for faithful servants, drive nations and countries into "democracy" " Different "bonuses" in the geyrop also accustom to dependent life.
          3. smile
            smile 5 July 2013 14: 54 New
            +4
            Marfoushenka
            Dear Marfushenka, that is why the average life span of an Indian on a reservation is from 41 to 43 years .... from the care of his government ... do you want to be taken care of so much? I don’t! :))) By the way, you can add your opinion at the same time about whether you would like it if invaders invaded your country (I don’t know which country you think is yours), they would destroy 95 percent of your compatriots including the most savage ways - infecting smallpox, taking scalps of your compatriots as settlers from the settlers for money (men are more expensive. women are cheaper. children really ... you had to take a number) ... and after all you would have driven the miserable remnants of degenerates who forget their culture on the reservation .... in return, after a while, it would allow me to engage in such a slippery casino business ... and this would only concern a handful of people. the rest would live for 41-43 years ....... did you imagine? You like? Do you want such Happiness? ..... well, why are you here writing about the paradise life of the remnants of the Indians?
            By the way. I inform you in advance that I spoke with the Americans quite a lot, and not only in Europe, but also at work ... with some representatives of their law enforcement agencies, a cousin and a friend lived there for 2 years
            By the way. how do you rate the official site of the Indian Republic of Lokota? Lies, lousy, or not? :)))
          4. Cynic
            Cynic 5 July 2013 18: 34 New
            +1
            Quote: Marfoushenka
            For native, tuition at all universities is free, and on reservations - if they want to live there, you can keep a casino. A bunch of social bonuses for being native

            Why does the hare have harmonium?
        2. Marfoushenka
          Marfoushenka 5 July 2013 09: 58 New
          -2
          By the way, the Aleuts have the same rights. Many of them are Orthodox, go to the Russian Orthodox Church. There are many Orthodox Russian churches in Alaska. She is familiar from work herself from Alaska, native, her husband is white - a typical blond, blue eyes. A beautiful couple and she does not look like in the photo :) - always in expensive suits, very well-groomed. They took a loan to buy a house ($ 600) with 3 bedrooms. They have a good credit history. She showed photos of her parents, sisters, told many Russians who come to study in Alaska. I also know the guy - he is half the Sioux by mother, and white by the father, the name is ordinary English, he also did not make the impression of the oppressed.
          1. viktorR
            viktorR 5 July 2013 11: 30 New
            10
            And how many Indians are left? I just know that they destroyed at least 4 million. And these people say that we have a bloody history ... Of course, distributing blankets infected with smallpox is normal ... and shooting and cutting a millionaire of another Indians is the norm ... And the fact that now they (the remaining) have training free, so of course the greatest achievement of democracy in the USA, in the USSR there were no universities at all.
            And of course, about the fact that the main measure of prosperity is the credit history, it delivered, and the house has three bedrooms.
            Tell me, why do you justify them?
            You are now "backward" (excuse my French) that you moved there?
            Why are you trying to prove to us that they (the Americans) are better than they really are?
          2. Semurg
            Semurg 5 July 2013 12: 52 New
            -4
            Eyewitness information is a different look, here on the site they write on the reservation completely drunk and addicted, it turns out the same button accordion as about bears on the streets of Moscow.
            1. smile
              smile 5 July 2013 15: 07 New
              0
              Semurg
              But tell me, why do prosperous Indians on reservations have an average life expectancy of 41-43 years? ... And according to some data of Indian organizations, in general, 37 years? They say lies ... :)))
              1. Cat
                Cat 5 July 2013 15: 15 New
                0
                Quote: smile
                But tell me, why do prosperous Indians on reservations have an average life expectancy of 41-43 years? ... And according to some data of Indian organizations, in general, 37 years? They say lies ... :)))

                but because they have benefits, privileges, other preferences there. And that means - to strain for a piece of bread does not seem to be necessary. And what happens from idleness? That's right - alcohol, drugs, and te te and te pe. Hence the life expectancy, under seemingly greenhouse conditions of existence.
                1. smile
                  smile 5 July 2013 16: 05 New
                  +3
                  Cat
                  And then tell me why people. living in Germany on a welfer (especially earlier. when the benefits have not yet been cut), having free housing, along with alcohol and drugs, if you register as prone to such addictions :))) they live as arrogantly. how many normal Germans are more of ours? Why does every fourth child die on Lakota reservations? Why is there the spread of tuberculosis. polio, hepatitis, hypertension, dysentery at the level of Somalia or Afghanistan? Also from idleness? Or are they themselves so bad? :))) Why do blacks from dysfunctional areas, like the dying Detroit, spawn not working (well, nowhere else, for other reasons) live unlike better and longer? And their illnesses are not an example less .... Even without receiving benefits. ...
                  Please think before offering "simple answers" .... otherwise you can make a big mistake.
                  1. Cat
                    Cat 5 July 2013 16: 55 New
                    0
                    Quote: smile
                    Cat
                    And then tell me why people. living in Germany on a welfer (especially earlier. when the benefits have not yet been cut), having free housing, along with alcohol and drugs, if you register as prone to such addictions :))) they live as arrogantly. how many normal Germans are more of ours?

                    in Germany, this whole ball lasts about 30 years, well, maybe a little more. Yes, and blacks in the United States - back in the 50s they were officially officially considered the second grade and arbaytali already made a noise. In general, did not have time to deteriorate =)
                    Another thing the Indians: which their generation is sitting on reservations? Heredity, again - the consequences of those very artificial epidemics, exacerbated by a small population ... Plus the notorious effect of C2H5OH - to become an alcoholic, our peasant will need to regularly consume a couple of years, a woman will have enough for six months, and a healthy Indian will have three days. Genetics ...
                    So, one to the other and the other to the third - they give both life expectancy and infant mortality.
              2. Semurg
                Semurg 5 July 2013 21: 40 New
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                Quote: smile
                Semurg
                But tell me, why do prosperous Indians on reservations have an average life expectancy of 41-43 years? ... And according to some data of Indian organizations, in general, 37 years? They say lies ... :)))

                And who knows, he didn’t live, he didn’t communicate, but did you live? If you share in the course. Here, “marfushenka” wrote what she saw (or came up with). And your question should have been to her, but you “glamorous” rushed to denounce me, to enlighten you in a dream yet? Do not get lost without your bites will be bored.
          3. Mikhail3
            Mikhail3 5 July 2013 15: 53 New
            +1
            So you weren’t asked about credit, right? What about the dead? Destroyed, poisoned, infected with diseases, dead in agony? Yes, mestizos come across. Mestizos are smarter, stronger and more durable. "pure races." What about purebred Sioux? Have not met, no?
            Well, this is because they reach somewhere up to 35, the rest of the statistics are given by mestizos and quarters. And at universities you will not meet them. It’s German mothers and American dads with a lot of stress that can pull the kids out of the reservation. Indians - the most unskilled work and alcohol without restrictions. So convenient - at a casino with alcohol, the order ... or maybe I got it wrong? Maybe they have tax incentives for creating computer enterprises? Not? Well, then ...
        3. KG_patriot_last
          KG_patriot_last 5 July 2013 14: 14 New
          +4
          This real American is very similar to me ... Did they really have such a genocide that they disappeared from the face of the earth? With gringos, you probably need to fight to the last drop of blood, otherwise our pictures will only hang in museums ... And some gringo will say: I was half-Kyrgyz, my father’s German ... It’s better to see once (and probably in forgot to insert a bracket "while such are generally alive in the world")
          1. smile
            smile 5 July 2013 15: 19 New
            +1
            KG_patriot_last
            Some statistics:
            In Lakota reservations, one of the lowest living standards in the world, every fourth child dies, due to poor living conditions, poor nutrition in the reservations, the incidence of tuberculosis, polio, hypertension, and diabetes is almost at the level of Somalia.
            There is an official site of the Lakota tribe - just type in “Republic of Lakota” on Google .... it's just tin ... even pedagogy couldn’t lie, as usual, it's just that European human rights defenders, who still have a conscience, constantly raise this question ... .
    4. Vovka levka
      Vovka levka 5 July 2013 07: 53 New
      -5
      Quote: Vanek
      Burn the flags of your country? Well, I don’t know ... There are no words.

      These are old flags that have served their purpose and are burned with honors. And they don’t throw them in the trash, so that they don’t lie anywhere.
      1. e-froloff
        e-froloff 5 July 2013 11: 54 New
        0
        Doubtful.
      2. knn54
        knn54 5 July 2013 14: 44 New
        0
        -Vovka Levka: These are old flags that have served their purpose and are burned with honors.
        Well, their flag is very similar to a mattress. And old rags / mattresses are better to burn.
        And, it seems, not with honor, but with sadness, people understand that their country is no longer the same and it will only get worse ...
        All REAL, Adequate Americans, a happy holiday.
    5. pensioner
      pensioner 5 July 2013 08: 38 New
      +9
      Quote: Vanek
      Burn the flags of your country? Well, I don’t know ... There are no words.


      And how solemnly furnished! And what portraits of previous presidents do not burn? You don’t need it anymore either? Yes, a lot of other things can be so ...
  3. My address
    My address 5 July 2013 06: 57 New
    +8
    A little extra wound on Putin's tricks. But well ran about the West. The last months are more interesting and more fun to learn about the main Liberasts.
  4. Predator-74
    Predator-74 5 July 2013 06: 58 New
    +7
    In the case of Snowden, the campaign is undergoing a hidden battle, all the trump cards in Putin's hands. I really hope that he (as always) will replay “West”, which (as always) and really does not understand anything.
  5. Denis
    Denis 5 July 2013 07: 14 New
    +8
    Happy Independence Day
    And I forgot, and maybe I didn’t know at all. I just threw it at home
    Again, because of you, Bastille missed the day! (FROM)
    1. Ruslan67
      Ruslan67 5 July 2013 07: 34 New
      10
      Quote: Denis
      Happy Independence Day

      Quote: Denis
      Again, because of you, Bastille missed the day!

      Let's see what holiday we have what -A Day of the United States or Bastille Independence? wassat
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 5 July 2013 08: 40 New
        +4
        Quote: Ruslan67
        Let's see what holiday we have - Day of the United States or the Independence of the Bastille?

        On the way, not only Denis missed something ... Something I got carried away ridiculous .... fool
      2. German
        German 5 July 2013 12: 54 New
        0
        I wildly apologize, of course, but in my opinion there’s no way to figure it out without a liter! (And that’s not a fact that is enough) wassat wassat wassat
        1. pensioner
          pensioner 5 July 2013 13: 22 New
          0
          Quote: German
          I wildly apologize, of course, but in my opinion there’s no way to figure it out without a liter! (And that’s not a fact that is enough)


          Looks like you're right !! "And drank it immediately!" (V. Erofeev).
    2. Ljubomir
      Ljubomir 5 July 2013 07: 53 New
      +6
      Again because of you Bastille missed the day

      July 14. Buy right away, people may not leave products yes
      And that the flag is being burned is such a good tradition. It’s necessary to adopt it: July 4, the “Oilman” holiday, with the burning of Uncle Sam’s scarecrow, festivities to the songs “America didn’t die yet,” and “Oil and oil are around, and you have a long time” and the guitar "Farewell to the oil rigs, they go ... dos home, and there is not a word about God, only clintons of frantic howl" in the fun of flashing star-striped rugs.
      1. Marfoushenka
        Marfoushenka 5 July 2013 10: 18 New
        +3
        Gasoline in New England is cheaper than in Moscow - it was a month and two and three ago. Usually Boston gasoline is cheaper than Moscow gas, only now the prices are equal, somewhere in the last 2 weeks. Moreover, their gasoline is 100% imported gasoline and the quality of American gasoline is not an example higher than Russian. Amer, by the way, are very protective of their domestic producers. I can’t say that the farmer’s labor in the States is sugar, but such barbarism as in Russia - where the oligarchs (the Cypriot offshore company nicknamed Uralskaya) in the densely populated agricultural region in the densely populated agricultural region came up with the idea of ​​producing nickel ... you won’t see this in the States .
        1. corrado
          corrado 5 July 2013 10: 37 New
          12
          Tell me then, why are German car manufacturers forced to develop completely different engines with respect to their (European) ones, because the latter are “bent" from American gasoline? I myself worked in the automotive industry as a developer at Mercedes-Benz. Excuse me to answer this question, maybe my colleagues and I have in vain invested / am in efforts that are not easy enough?
        2. viktorR
          viktorR 5 July 2013 11: 41 New
          +5
          I don’t know what is happening with gasoline, but they are parasitic all over the world, and you even praise it. Could you now be American too?
          In general, as I wrote here about the moral qualities of spies who fled from the USSR, as a rule, they are rare rogues, lovers to live beautifully, take a walk, so to speak, and these are your moral limitations, this is for "suckers."
          So, you know how emigrants differ from the same "spyware-rebels"?
          That's right, only by the fact that the "spies-interlopers" at that time could offer important information for the West and that was why they were helped to escape. And with the collapse of the USSR, it was not spies who were able to travel independently without unnecessary risk to life, that’s all ...
          This of course does not apply to all immigrants 100%, but to most of them for sure!
          Threat I did not want to offend personally, just expressed my thoughts
          1. smile
            smile 5 July 2013 15: 26 New
            +5
            viktorR
            I noticed a strange feature for our emigrants, with the rare exception, they are great patriots of America. than the Americans themselves (so to speak, argue that the holiest popes) vote exclusively for the Republicans. they demand tough measures against us, undemocratic, and selflessly pour mud on their former homeland .... krrrasavtsy ...
            1. viktorR
              viktorR 5 July 2013 20: 18 New
              +2
              I’m familiar with this not by hearsay, my sister and wife emigrated to the USA in 2000, well, she was driving just after her husband. But the hubby turned out to be that dirty trick, and later left her with two children, he wanted a beautiful life with a young American. Here, he, too, worn himself (sorry), argued that we all are not civilized here, are not respected by the local democrats ...
            2. Semurg
              Semurg 5 July 2013 21: 49 New
              +3
              Quote: smile
              viktorR
              I noticed a strange feature for our emigrants, with the rare exception, they are great patriots of America. than the Americans themselves (so to speak, argue that the holiest popes) vote exclusively for the Republicans. they demand tough measures against us, undemocratic, and selflessly pour mud on their former homeland .... krrrasavtsy ...

              Formerly Kazakhstan people, and not only in America, have precisely noticed this.
              1. smile
                smile 6 July 2013 12: 10 New
                0
                Semurg
                Seriously? And I. I must admit, I suffered that we are here as well ... we compared everything with the Chinese ... I have never met a Kazakh who would shit on Kazakhstan, although I saw enough of them ...
                1. Semurg
                  Semurg 6 July 2013 18: 47 New
                  +1
                  Quote: smile
                  Semurg
                  Seriously? And I. I must admit, I suffered that we are here as well ... we compared everything with the Chinese ... I have never met a Kazakh who would shit on Kazakhstan, although I saw enough of them ...

                  A Kazakh and a Kazakh are not exactly the same thing; you do not understand this or want to replace concepts.
                  1. smile
                    smile 6 July 2013 19: 37 New
                    0
                    Semurg
                    No, I wrote what I saw. You must admit that the Russians who lived in the Kazakh SSR were not Kazakhs ... all the more - just to immigrate hoping for a sweet freebie is one thing. but to leave because he became a second-rate person is completely different ... that is, don’t replace the concept. and even more so, it’s not worth attributing your sin to me, okay? And let's not argue on this topic here - I want to read others, and so I barely barely break through to the computer ...
                  2. Cynic
                    Cynic 6 July 2013 21: 47 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Semurg
                    Kazakh and Kazakh are not quite the same

                    For you, yes.
                    In the 90 of these former Kazakhstanis, I have seen enough, heard enough ...
                    By the way, are you aware of the mutual love of the north and south? So the first faster than the Russians molt from the aforementioned country, away from blood relatives.
                    1. Alibekulu
                      Alibekulu 7 July 2013 09: 31 New
                      0
                      Quote: Cynic
                      In the 90 of these former Kazakhstanis, I have seen enough, heard enough ...
                      They actually "sing" now about how they are "oppressed" and "genocide" .. He rode several times, in the direction of Kostanay-Ufa. So, at the border crossing, already in the Russian Federation, someone necessarily begins to tell "horror stories" about Kazakhstan ..
                      Quote: Cynic

                      By the way, are you aware of the mutual love of the north and south?

                      Here I am from the north, like I haven’t faded away laughing And, the attitude to the "hedgehogs" is similar to the attitude of Russians to Muscovites ..
                      You still "stories" about zhuzes and tribal relations lead .. bully
                      1. Cynic
                        Cynic 7 July 2013 10: 22 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Alibekulu
                        They actually "sing" now about how they are "oppressed" and "genocide" ..

                        About now not in the know, said what was said specifically fled from then Kazakhstan .
                        Quote: Alibekulu
                        Ah, the attitude to the "hedgehogs"

                        So in the know.
                        Quote: Alibekulu
                        You still "stories" about zhuzes and tribal relations bring

                        He didn’t sit, was not attracted, didn’t ask and was not afraid, if he was beaten then he wasn’t a supporter of lawlessness.

                        bully
                      2. Alibekulu
                        Alibekulu 7 July 2013 14: 51 New
                        0
                        Quote: Cynic
                        it was specifically told fleeing from then Kazakhstan.
                        Nda laughing escaped)) ... People tend to blame everyone except themselves for their troubles .. And your friends are no exception .. When, they tell me that the Kazakhs forced them to flee .. fool I can only twist a finger at the temple .. They already explain to you on the fingers .., but you still laugh smile I’ll try to explain again, from the point of view of pragmatism ..
                        At the time of the collapse, Russians or “Russian-speaking” in Kazakhstan made up the majority .. and moreover they made up the majority in almost all areas .. And, the Kazakhs, even if someone really wanted ..- could not “genocide”, could not and did not have for this opportunity .. The slightest attempt to "oppression" would actually raise the question of the collapse of the country. And, the Kazakhs are not "fools" to substitute themselves like that .. Add to this the fact that Kazakhstan borders on Russia (let me remind kaz-Ross. The border is the longest land in the world) if we could afford such a situation luxury, how to “oppress” Russians .. Is it possible that the Russian Federation, the Russians who are located, are just a few steps away, as they say, across the river .. they will watch how the Kazakhs “genocide” their compatriots request Sometimes, after all these stories, like us Kazakhs, I just do that and “oppress” the Russians ... I try on this role for myself - I’d love to “genocide” am (especially Russian deushkas ..) Yes, I'm afraid they will knock on the head not childishly .. crying
          2. Denis
            Denis 5 July 2013 22: 14 New
            +1
            Quote: smile
            I noticed a strange feature for our emigrants, with the rare exception, they are great patriots of America. than the Americans themselves
            That zeal of the converts, it is everywhere, not only among emigrants
            Neophyte fanaticism
      2. ksandr45
        ksandr45 5 July 2013 13: 48 New
        +6
        You still say that the burning water from the tap during the production of shale gas is not at all a reality, or what?
      3. smile
        smile 5 July 2013 15: 35 New
        +1
        Marfoushenka
        Ma'am, but don’t you know that the US economy rests on two pillars — the exchange of cut, green-colored paper in the kitchen for resources, and taking the resources of countries under control with the help of the armed forces is weaker, well, this is called robbery ... if I’ll have a printing press in my kitchen. then, of course, my well-being will depend solely on desire ... until they catch me for counterfeiting ... this is your ideal. great American dream? .. How long have you thought so? :)))
        By the way, I remember that in areas where shale gas production is ecologically destroyed (many times more actively than with nickel mining), I remember that Americans also do not really live ... just don’t pretend that you don’t know anything about it ... we will not believe ... :))) And what, the indignation of the Americans had some result?
        Maybe you can figure out a log from yourself. and then with the teachings to climb to us? :)))
        1. Cat
          Cat 5 July 2013 15: 49 New
          +1
          Quote: smile
          By the way, I remember that in areas where shale gas production is ecologically destroyed (many times more actively than with nickel mining), I remember that Americans also do not really live ... just don’t pretend that you don’t know anything about it ... we will not believe ... :))) And what, the indignation of the Americans had some result?

          strangely enough, the result was: the authorities of one of the states, I don’t remember which one, banned any development of shale deposits for a couple of years. True, it was not a matter of popular anger ... but the fact that the "looters" rolled out all municipal roads with their technique of drabadan, plus they provoked a certain deficit of diesel fuel. But fact is fact.
          1. smile
            smile 5 July 2013 16: 15 New
            +3
            Cat
            Yes, the fact is the fact - people's anger doesn’t cost anything there :))), and the destruction of infrastructure is punishable by local authorities (which is absolutely correct), which forced the adventurers-miners to shell out well ... but the gas in the kitchen sinks didn’t stop exploding from this, and on Martian landscapes with poisonous soil that are expanding, the apple trees have not bloomed ... :)))
      4. volkodav
        volkodav 5 July 2013 17: 18 New
        -2
        where on the Black Earth oligarchs (a Cypriot offshore company nicknamed "Ural") in the densely populated agricultural region it occurred to mine nickel ... you will not see this in the States.
        so that's who finances bully you are more detailed from this place, so that the FSB comrades do not ask clarifying questions
      5. builder
        builder 5 July 2013 17: 28 New
        +3
        Quote: Marfoushenka
        "Ural") in the densely populated agricultural region it occurred to mine nickel ... you will not see this in the States.

        So we will not see? wink
  • fenix57
    fenix57 5 July 2013 07: 29 New
    +6
    "There is one very interesting difference between Russia and the USA." -This AND IS INDEPENDENCE! US FROM THEM ... hi
  • domokl
    domokl 5 July 2013 07: 40 New
    +9
    We need to sow a grain of mistrust between the US and the EU ... What, quietly, is being done now. The Americans, without noticing it themselves, dunk Europeans with enviable persistence in the drain hole. We can only wait until Europe finally begins to understand what it is Do not pool and be outraged.
    It’s hard to resist everyone (remember the example of the USSR). But individually, we can handle it.
    1. sevtrash
      sevtrash 5 July 2013 10: 56 New
      +1
      Snowden tells the secret of Open Door - if you think about it, it is clear that all countries - which have technical capabilities - the USA, Europe, Russia - are listening, watching their citizens. Most for some reason think not. It is necessary to fight terrorists, and not only with them.
      Presidents, ministers, deputies in the know. What Europe is twitching, because okay the stronghold of democracy - the Americans with their prisons have screwed up a bit, but advanced democratic Europe! Russia is, as it were, initially undemocratic and for it all this is not critical.
  • Sakmagon
    Sakmagon 5 July 2013 07: 41 New
    +2
    "In general, I must say that from the very beginning everything was like wiring ..."

    Finally, a calm and sober look at really amazing things. "If there are more than two matches, these are no longer matches."But what’s really shaking him out is interesting. Information about what kind of information is" sticky "is no less valuable than the truth. The next step is for GDP.
    By the way, who wants to do extraordinary stupidity - a vegetable to help them (that is, "hell with them"), women, children and - out of turn, the GDP is in no hurry ...
  • Cat
    Cat 5 July 2013 07: 55 New
    +7
    if you scan the Internet over the past week, Snowden will come first, then Putin and then no matter who, but Obama will not be among the top three. He just disappeared from the network.

    Obama did not disappear - he is busy with important public affairs: under the guise of a journalist, he hangs around in the Sheremetyevo transit zone, eager to personally take the vile villain Snowden for the zugunder.
  • treskoed
    treskoed 5 July 2013 08: 13 New
    +1
    As a person without a passport, I wish Snowden to go to the bathhouse, put in his teeth and get married!
  • kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 5 July 2013 08: 31 New
    +3
    Yes, the question is of course interesting ... But as they say: “Hope is a good breakfast, but a bad dinner.” Something is wrong here, but we will never know about it. It seems to be one of the points of the new plan of the “secret world government” and which is probably why the GDP does not swallow this bait. So who are you, Mr. Snowden?
  • Anhaght
    Anhaght 5 July 2013 08: 47 New
    0
    Dog canine honor!
  • fduch
    fduch 5 July 2013 08: 48 New
    +2
    So the CIA doesn’t listen, it listens to the NSA :)))))
  • Ulysses
    Ulysses 5 July 2013 09: 17 New
    +4
    we are talking about a US citizen illegally crossing air borders without a valid passport. The EU would have to back down.

    Snowden is no longer a US citizen.
    amers were severely pierced, hastily stripping him of his citizenship.
    Test photo. laughing
  • pa_nik
    pa_nik 5 July 2013 09: 19 New
    +2
    Quote: Vovka Levka
    These are old flags that have served their purpose and are burned with honors. And they don’t throw them in the trash, so that they don’t lie anywhere.


    yeah, and photo-video at such a moment is a mandatory attribute laughing so that the whole nation sees: how to dispose of unnecessary symbols good
  • shurup
    shurup 5 July 2013 09: 20 New
    +2
    On the night of Kupala, or Midsummer Day, relies on burning all sorts of rubbish. Americans can also recommend a cleansing bath, as well as jumping over a fire for the same purpose.
    "Was there Snowden?" - Putin will tell reporters - "If someone sees him at Sheremetyevo, call me to see." But the extraction of wool from the Snowden pig is in full swing.
  • Yuri Y.
    Yuri Y. 5 July 2013 09: 43 New
    +1
    Quote: domokl
    We need to sow a grain of mistrust between the US and the EU ... What, quietly, is being done now. The Americans, without noticing it themselves, dunk Europeans with enviable persistence in the drain hole. We can only wait until Europe finally begins to understand what it is Do not pool and be outraged.
    It’s hard to resist everyone (remember the example of the USSR). But individually, we can handle it.

    The GDP policy for Europe has always been consistent. He right
    spoke of the absence of its independent actions. Or his actions have always been directed to sow this very "grain of mistrust."
    more if you recall that NATO was created specifically to counter
    Russia in Europe, this is the direct responsibility of our president.
  • papss
    papss 5 July 2013 10: 18 New
    +4
    Today, I’ve lost count in the Snowden case ... what is the bill in favor of Putin and Russia ... 2-0 or 3-0?
  • corrado
    corrado 5 July 2013 10: 31 New
    +4
    Quote: Marfoushenka
    and on reservations - if they want to live there they can keep a casino.

    But this is sooooooo important for anyone, as you say native ... So that in general they lost the entire salary in such establishments. Yes, and the truth is why they need it.
  • Rakti-kali
    Rakti-kali 5 July 2013 10: 32 New
    +4
    As I understand it, when Putin talked about cutting a piglet, he did not mean Snowden at all. And there is an opinion that the little pig is still already sheared, because the screech is already on the whole planet. wink
  • Vtel
    Vtel 5 July 2013 10: 42 New
    +1
    Analysts are inclined to say that the EU did not land the plane of the President of Bolivia at the request of the United States.

    They bent, bent, and will bend, for "world" is ruled by the world's cashier.
  • Ruslan_F38
    Ruslan_F38 5 July 2013 11: 50 New
    0
    I liked the photo +++++. Regarding Snowden, Putin needed to give him refuge without any conditions, and do not give a damn about the opinion of a Western brothel, otherwise it looks like a concession to the United States. To recall at least our high-ranking KGB defectors in the USA, what did they give us? And no one counted with our desires, and why we should reckon with the opinion of our enemies. Putin minus if it does not help Snowden without any conditions.
  • Anhaght
    Anhaght 5 July 2013 12: 19 New
    +2
    Nevertheless, we did not surrender Comrade Snowden to anyone. Moreover, we will not surrender, no matter what planes they hold in Europe. Snowden is getting married! And what a bride she found - Anna Chapman! So, getting ready for the wedding. The piglet will be served on the festive table!
  • orff
    orff 5 July 2013 12: 24 New
    +5
    Each year, the Boy Scouts of America and war veteran organizations, such as the American Legion, solemnly burn thousands of US flags.
    The fact of the matter is that section 176 (k) of the US Flag Code (code of practice for the proper handling of “stars and stripes”) reads: “A flag when it is in such a state that it can no longer serve as a suitable symbol for demonstration should be destroyed in a worthy way, preferably by burning. ”
    The burning of a flag (or, in the official language, its “withdrawal from circulation”) is usually done on Flag Day, June 14th.
    Although the Code allows the flag to be burned “in a worthy way”, it also strictly warns (and establishes legal measures in the form of a fine and / or imprisonment) of all those who “intentionally spoil, mutilate, physically defile, burn, hold on the floor or the ground, or trample on »A flag with other," possibly unholy, "goals.
    In 1990, this act was challenged by the Supreme Court, which ruled that it restricts the "freedom of speech" guaranteed by the First Amendment to the US Constitution. So even if the US Flag Code says "you shouldn't," but you can, nevertheless, legally burn the US flag in America for any reason you please.

    This is a small touch to the question: why is it so difficult for us to understand each other.
    What is sacred for the Russian, the American sends to the crematorium ...
    And they teach us life?
  • seller trucks
    seller trucks 5 July 2013 15: 22 New
    +1
    you see how obsolete flags are burned in the USA.



    ".... Banner ...... - a symbol ..... of honor, valor and glory" (c)

    and I also imagined what there was a stench from burning rags
  • MG42
    MG42 5 July 2013 16: 31 New
    +3
    Yesterday was the greatest holiday in the United States, I already congratulated Uncle Sam.
    Modern American cowboy in full dress on Independence Day >>>>
  • Sergey S.
    Sergey S. 5 July 2013 20: 06 New
    0
    [quote = itkul] Is it really difficult to upload a photo from the beginning of an article in GOOGLE pictures and see the signature under it in the original
    Adjutant of the American Legion at the ceremony of "seeing off the flag of retirement": US flags "retire", the ceremony is served by a guard of honor. (Photo: Jim Pearson / The Messenger via AP)[/ quote

    This is the main thing.
    In the 1990s, and in some places we had abominable rituals.
    I will not say where, but I was a witness personally.
    The university was waiting for high authorities.
    They tidied the toilet on the floor ... And put it to guard from teachers and student officers with 4 stars ...
    He was ashamed ... but he obeyed the order of the commander of the military department.
    Here you can say our shameful ritual.

    Something like this can happen to everyone. And it’s not always necessary to “throw the basket into the snow”. For the sake of serving the Motherland, you can endure the boss’s trick.

    But we have similar rituals perceived by concepts.
    And here, in the photo, the guard of honor simply does not understand what he is doing, stupidly fulfills the order. Perhaps "with pride in the most intelligent country."

    These are clients, whether for psychiatrists, or for Mikhail Nikolayevich Zadornov.
  • Sergey S.
    Sergey S. 5 July 2013 20: 18 New
    +1
    Quote: orff
    “The flag, when it is in such a state that it can no longer serve as a suitable symbol for demonstration, should be destroyed in a worthy way, preferably by burning.”

    The longer I read the topic, the more perplexed.
    How can you burn a flag under which something worthy was done!
    An explanation is possible in a different plane.
    A strong view of how Americans love their homeland is an ordinary dummy.
    it is not love, it is a habit, a habit imposed on society by the state.
    As a response - realization in the form of an absurdity.
    type: if I love my homeland more than anyone, my flag will be the most beautiful - new, ironed and fashionable.
    So it's time to lower the old one and dispose of it.

    ... Anything can be explained.

    And I would give a lot to get deposited, for example, the state flag of my school (USSR times).