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Shoigu instructed to find the best programmers to work for the army

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Shoigu instructed to find the best programmers to work for the army

Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu instructed to find students of one of St. Petersburg universities, for the fifth time became the champions of the world in programming, in order, if possible, to use their knowledge in the interests of the Armed Forces.


“Today I heard on television that students from one of St. Petersburg universities for the fifth time became world champions in programming. They need to find. We need to work with these guys somehow, because we really need them, ”the minister said on Thursday during a meeting with university rectors and the public.

According to Shoigu, the military department is ready to create all the necessary conditions for the fruitful work of such talents in the scientific companies being created.
“There are a lot of spheres of application for servicemen of such companies. This, in particular, is the work on the creation of mobile electrical installations on alternative power sources, which are the sun and wind, such installations are necessary for mining units, as well as installations for the extraction and purification of water, "Shoigu quoted RIA"News».

In addition, according to him, the military is interested in communications, robotics and "everything innovative that is possible for use in the Armed Forces."

Shoigu recalled that last week he took part in a large show of drones. “And, of course, in this part we are also interested in the country's leading universities, civil aviation educational institutions where we would really, really like to develop the subject of unmanned aerial vehicles. And with the end result. That is, this is not scientific work for the sake of entertainment, but this is what should be of benefit, ”said the head of the Ministry of Defense.

He noted that the project to create scientific companies in the Russian army found support from the supreme commander-in-chief of the country. “We received support, and, actually, we start from tomorrow,” concluded Shoigu.
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  1. StrateG
    StrateG 4 July 2013 18: 14 New
    35
    Oh, I smell, when I graduate from college, I’ll immediately find a job in the army) I’m studying as a programmer yes
    1. experienced
      experienced 4 July 2013 18: 19 New
      +8
      Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu instructed to find students of one of St. Petersburg universities, for the fifth time became the champions of the world in programming, in order, if possible, to use their knowledge in the interests of the Armed Forces.

      Все как в том анекдоте про слона:"Съест то он съест, да кто ж ему даст"
      Dean of the Faculty of Information Technology and Programming of St. Petersburg National Research University ITMO Vladimir Parfenov saidthat student-programmers who win at the Olympiads will prefer working in foreign companies to working for the Ministry of Defense.

      He believes that the The Ministry of Defense, most likely, will not be able to offer young professionals the conditions that Yandex and Google offer, the Russian News Service reports.

      «Those programmers who perform in the final are elite shots and there are very few of these shots in the world. For them, there is a struggle between all foreign and Russian companies. They have a lot of suggestions about their future work, because a person who solves such olympiad problems, he has a productivity ten times higher than an ordinary programmer", - he said.
      1. Canep
        Canep 4 July 2013 18: 23 New
        +6
        I can imagine how happy these students will be with such news and the opening prospect. soldier
        1. Quiet
          Quiet 4 July 2013 20: 30 New
          +5
          instructed to search for students of one of the St. Petersburg universities, who for the fifth time became world programming champions,

          Look for them from amers and redeem from a silicone valley ....

          Профукал твой предшественник - табуреткин молодые патриочески настроенные " мозги " !!! fool repeat
          1. S-200
            S-200 5 July 2013 06: 12 New
            +1
            "Всё было украденно ещё до НАС !"
            hi
            .... long before the stool
          2. Basileus
            Basileus 5 July 2013 07: 26 New
            +1
            Unfortunately, you just need to read the comments on Habré, we do not seem to have young patriotic IT specialists. There, 80% of the contingent is not something they don’t want to join the army — they are going to dump it over the hill at the first opportunity.
            1. Quiet
              Quiet 7 July 2013 19: 16 New
              +1
              going to knock over a hill.

              Пускай валят. Они думают что там будут в шоколаде. На самом деле за бугром из них всё высосут и выкинут на улицу как русское отрёбье . " Где родился там и пригодился " - есть такая пословица !!!!!
              1. Basileus
                Basileus 8 July 2013 15: 15 New
                0
                Well, in general, IT companies are quite cosmopolitan and will accept a good specialist. So folk wisdom is hardly worth counting on.
      2. satellite
        satellite 4 July 2013 18: 25 New
        10
        Yes, it seems to me that the GDP will make an offer which will be difficult to refuse))
        1. Canep
          Canep 4 July 2013 18: 32 New
          -4
          And I’m talking about the same, and I won’t be surprised if these programmers clean their shocks using numerical methods, and under the supervision of a sergeant with the formation of 9 classes.
          1. Gregazov
            Gregazov 4 July 2013 18: 58 New
            +1
            With the practical use of the sign of the integral for the extraction of objects dropped into the toilet.
          2. Vlad-32
            Vlad-32 4 July 2013 20: 40 New
            +5
            This simply cannot happen. It was not for this that such a decision was made.
            1. Canep
              Canep 4 July 2013 20: 45 New
              +1
              Have you served in the army? They make a fairy tale come true in one night, there is nothing impossible, and that which cannot be, happens regularly.
              1. Homo
                Homo 5 July 2013 01: 40 New
                +5
                Вообще то в армии не вы один служили (если служили). Я в армию пошёл имея специальность - механик по ремонту вычислительной техники (1979 год). Ни разу не был в наряде (ни на кухне, ни по роте, ни в карауле) а занимался своим делом - обслуживал и ремонтировал технику. Так что не нужно "катить бочку" на нашу армию!
                1. Canep
                  Canep 5 July 2013 04: 25 New
                  +1
                  I served in the management of a motorized rifle division, I was constantly in subordinate units. In such greenhouse conditions as you used, there were units, clerks (who drew the cards) at the headquarters, drove colonels, and the general (and even not all), eight-coders, there were also 2 mechanic mechanics at the garage. In the parts of phylonyls about the same contingent. In other branches of the army, I think the same. Or do you think that for these programmers Shoigu will cancel the military charter?
            2. cdrt
              cdrt 4 July 2013 20: 58 New
              0
              Who served in the army does not laugh at the circus ...
              1. S-200
                S-200 5 July 2013 05: 59 New
                +1
                ... he doesn’t go to the circus! laughing
        2. cdrt
          cdrt 4 July 2013 20: 57 New
          +2
          You need to close the borders for this :-)
      3. Gregazov
        Gregazov 4 July 2013 18: 55 New
        +7
        Nobody has canceled military service yet. The health requirements of a recruit in a scientific company, I hope, will differ from the Airborne Forces and the Air Force. So everyone has a chance to serve.
      4. S-200
        S-200 4 July 2013 19: 07 New
        0
        Quote: seasoned
        According to Shoigu, the military department is ready to create all the necessary conditions for the fruitful work of such talents in the scientific companies being created.

        If you learn how to pay in the United States for programs for defense, etc., then why no ? Мало "сколково", зачем ещё какие-то "учёные роты" ? Должна быть "питательная среда" для роста научных кадров в виде лабораторий(научных школ) при оборонных НИИ. На голой армейской почве наука захиреет...
        Плохо, когда во главе ведомства стоит авторитетный ,но некомпетентный министр, который начинает высасывать из пальца свои "новации" стремясь поразить ими несведущих обывателей...
        1. Canep
          Canep 4 July 2013 19: 19 New
          +5
          I think it would be better if everyone goes about their business, i.e. soldiers to serve, commanders to command, programmers to write programs, etc. If you need the services of programmers in the army, let them hire as civilian employees.
          1. Danafxnumx
            Danafxnumx 5 July 2013 10: 23 New
            0
            how, then, to maintain a regime of secrecy?
        2. the polar
          the polar 4 July 2013 19: 58 New
          +5
          Quote: S-200

          Плохо, когда во главе ведомства стоит авторитетный ,но некомпетентный министр, который начинает высасывать из пальца свои "новации" стремясь поразить ими несведущих обывателей...

          Министр салабон, сам еще недавно служит в армии. Ему наверное не успели доложить, что в системе МО РФ есть сеть военных институтов, занимающихся военно-прикладными научными разработками. Или может их, как и Российскую Академию Наук решили разогнать и заменить "научными ротами" под командой "учоных капитанов".
        3. cdrt
          cdrt 4 July 2013 21: 01 New
          0
          For such money is not the main thing.
          And the main thing is precisely what the invincible and legendary can never provide: freedom to be some kind of weirdo, in the work schedule, respectful attitude, etc.
        4. nerd.su
          nerd.su 5 July 2013 01: 29 New
          0
          Quote: S-200
          If you learn how to pay in the United States for programs for defense, etc., then why not?

          Quote: S-200
          Должна быть "питательная среда" для роста научных кадров в виде лабораторий(научных школ) при оборонных НИИ. На голой армейской почве наука захиреет...

          Why is she going to die? In the army, everything is so arranged that there is no time to lose weight. And if the soldiers appear at this time, then sports events quickly make the military team blossom again. Whether it’s motorized rifle, a song and dance ensemble or now - scientific companies laughing

          Quote: S-200
          Плохо, когда во главе ведомства стоит авторитетный ,но некомпетентный министр, который начинает высасывать из пальца свои "новации" стремясь поразить ими несведущих обывателей...

          It’s bad when the head of the military department is an absolutely civilian person ...
          1. S-200
            S-200 5 July 2013 06: 18 New
            -1
            Quote: bot.su
            It’s bad when the head of the military department is an absolutely civilian person ...

            Do you mean Shoigu?
            потому что "закончив" Академию гражданской защиты МЧС России
            being already his Minister to military carry IMPOSSIBLE !
            ..in spite of shoulder straps
            1. nerd.su
              nerd.su 5 July 2013 08: 38 New
              +1
              Quote: S-200
              Do you mean Shoigu?

              Rather, I mean the western trend, which is also taking root in our creeping way.

              Quote: S-200
              потому что "закончив" Академию гражданской защиты МЧС России
              being already a Minister, it is IMPOSSIBLE to attribute it to the military!

              But it is impossible to attribute it to absolutely civilians!

              In general, I believe that it is godly god, and Caesar’s Caesar’s. The Minister of Defense must be a military, the Ministry of Internal Affairs - a policeman, a healthcare doctor and so on. And a lot will fall into place and idiocy decrease.
              1. Beard
                Beard 5 July 2013 11: 09 New
                -1
                As one gynecologist told me, the best gynecologists are men. They do not try on female sores.
                The minister should be a professional manager-organizer, not a huckster from a store.
                1. nerd.su
                  nerd.su 5 July 2013 13: 11 New
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                  Quote: Beard
                  The minister should be a professional manager-organizer, not a huckster from a store.

                  A professional manager-organizer, that is, a manager? Into the neck of professional managers! I remember that we were convinced that deputies should be lawyers, because laws should be adopted by professionals - and what in the end? Legally competent laws from which everything in the country fell into decay?
                  Once again I say - professionals should do everything. And professional managers in Russia have not developed a single industry. Only one Chubais look.
                  1. Beard
                    Beard 11 July 2013 15: 03 New
                    0
                    Is Chubais a professional manager-organizer? He is the huckster from the flower shop. I.S. Stalin was not a professional military man, but he was People's Commissar of the USSR Armed Forces no worse than any professional military man P. Grachev.
      5. Scoun
        Scoun 4 July 2013 19: 17 New
        +6
        Quote: seasoned
        ITMO Vladimir Parfyonov said that software students winning the Olympics prefer work in foreign companies to work at the Ministry of Defense.

        There is such ... a relative took the 2nd place .. and the company already holds a place for him in London ... and apparently, after graduation, he’s afraid to break there .... (((
        My friend worked at the research institute and went to the office in Moscow .. he works for Uncle Sam and John ... but he left the research institute because of the payroll of 12000 thousand and a room for three in a hostel
        the other also left the research institute and writes programs for the American dental equipment in the commercial office ...
        I hope that there are young specialists who prefer to put on a uniform and at the same time realize themselves as programmers, the main thing is that the Ministry of Defense would create conditions for their creativity and not
        - Why are you eared, not according to the charter, holding a mouse and knocking on the clave without looking? look where you knock! laughing
        1. mole
          mole 4 July 2013 20: 40 New
          +3
          Что же тогда Туполевы и Королевы за границу не ломились, хотя наверняка знали что там интереснее! Птицы - в холодные страны возвращаются, где бороться за существование надо! Шойгу вроде нормальный управленец и если данная "спортрота" будет под кураторством министра, в чем я не сомневаюсь, то пусть из 500 штыков, но один саморородок can останется. Но одно заявить можно точно, из этой "авантюры" государство одназначно - НИЧЕГО не теряет! Пусть свои яйца - каждый сам таскает! Зачем интеллектуалу - комаров кормить и строевой учиться!? При грамотной организации минусов - нет, одни - плюсы, в т.ч. и на перспективу!
          1. cdrt
            cdrt 4 July 2013 21: 05 New
            +1
            hmm ... well, so that they wouldn’t leave and build sharaby, and they would leave the country accompanied by the NKVD-MGB and ONLY without relatives, and the conditions were organized for normal work. In addition, propaganda still probably made itself felt even among smart people. Fought the West ...
            Which of these is present today? Well, or rather - thank God that there is no sharag, MGB escorted, hostage relatives, etc ...
          2. lucidlook
            lucidlook 4 July 2013 22: 40 New
            0
            Quote: Mole
            Why, then, the Tupolevs and Queens did not break abroad, although they probably knew what was more interesting there!

            Previously, there was a slightly different ideology in the state. Previously, there was a common goal, common to all, not like now.
        2. mole
          mole 4 July 2013 20: 42 New
          0
          The main thing is that according to their abilities they get there, and not for bribes!
        3. nerd.su
          nerd.su 5 July 2013 08: 49 New
          0
          Quote: Scoun
          I hope that there are young specialists who prefer to put on a uniform and at the same time realize themselves as programmers, the main thing is that the Ministry of Defense would create conditions for their creativity and not

          And what, the call was canceled? :) After all, scientific companies are not going to be recruited from officers.
          Так что родственник ваш, если "охотники за программистами" спать не будут, сначала годик в научной роте послужит, а потом уж в Лондон поедет. Если, конечно, в армии с него подписку не возьмут, года на три... Так и прирастёт к России потихоньку)
      6. fzr1000
        fzr1000 4 July 2013 19: 29 New
        +3
        Все дело "в цене на билет" и перспективах. Захотят-переманят.
        1. Sergey_K
          Sergey_K 4 July 2013 23: 58 New
          0
          Lure a student to serve in such a place? By the way, why serve, it can be civil. Easy! Interest-free mortgage in any region - trample, you will still choose the best ...
      7. mealnik2005
        mealnik2005 4 July 2013 20: 51 New
        +3
        "Декан факультета информационных технологий и программирования Санкт-Петербургского национального исследовательского университета ИТМО Владимир Парфенов заявил, что студенты-программисты, побеждающие на олимпиадах, предпочтут работу в зарубежных компаниях работе на Минобороны."

        Lame patriotic education in high school, and on both legs. And it seems to the dean himself that a lot of money falls for every one who has gone to the West - who will refuse the freebie.
        1. experienced
          experienced 4 July 2013 20: 57 New
          +2
          Quote: mealnik2005
          Lame patriotic education in high school, and on both legs.

          And you will not tell me in what university of Russia patriotic education is carried out now? A university should provide professional knowledge unless it is a Theological Academy or something like that. Patriotic education should be in the family, kindergarten and school, then it is too late. hi
          Quote: mealnik2005
          . And it seems to the dean himself that a lot of money falls for every one who has gone to the West - who will refuse the freebie.

          Не стыдно обвинять заслуженного человека не зная его? "-" negative

          Если завтра Шойгу скажет отследить победителей Олимпиады и собрать их в спортроту тоже будем тренеров в "двурушничестве" обвинять? Учитесь мыслить, а не штамповать "ярлыки" hi
          1. fisherman
            fisherman 4 July 2013 22: 44 New
            0
            Patriotic education should be in the family, kindergarten and school, then it is too late.


            yes, it comes first

            everything else in the list of life priorities is in the following places

            и сколько выплавили чугуна, и сколько нанотехники выпустили, и какой царь сейчас на троне, и каким "измом" сейчас занята страна, и насколько успешно страна борется с коррупцией - это все не так важно, по сравнению с главным приоритетом
      8. cdrt
        cdrt 4 July 2013 20: 57 New
        +2
        Hmm ... I actually work in one of those companies where such guys in this reality come to (a large international IT company).
        The atmosphere, I would say, is fundamentally the opposite of the one that is present in the army ... It’s just fundamentally ... complete freedom in graphics, clothes, behavior, jokes even over the State Duma, while absolutely observing the Labor Code. And they work, with pleasure, for 16 hours sometimes (no one forces - workaholics usually).
        So ... apparently they will go to the army only by force (by conscription, that is).
        1. Sergey_K
          Sergey_K 4 July 2013 23: 42 New
          +1
          I don’t know why they minded you, but I completely agree with you. Although I am not a prog, I work in R&D. Similarly, if there is a task, you decide how to complete it. Whether at work, at home, with a client, this is your approach and your responsibility.
          I am sure that the army needs departments that develop high level design products. But there should be civil organizations on the contract. Because there are conditions and salaries. A talented programmer gets about 100K, will they pay him so much in the army? Will he have creative freedom? No. There will be no result either.
        2. atalef
          atalef 4 July 2013 23: 54 New
          +7
          Quote: cdrt
          So ... apparently they will go to the army only by force (by conscription, that is).

          In Israel, such a system has been operating for a very long time. talented ones are selected (with a huge competition in the elite parts of electronic warfare. Electronic warfare, etc.) The army pays for training at Universe particularly successful and promising and gives a deferment from the army for 4-6 years (taking into account the fact that you then remain to serve (according to fomula 3 years + term of study.) And this is the only way to get a deferment from conscription, there are no more options, everyone goes on conscription (and girls). My son, according to this program, is already finishing the 3rd year of university, a year later in the army 7 years (though immediately an officer.) All these graduates go directly to laboratories and research army centers (who do not want to study in the army before the army (so as not to become attached for 7-9 years). They can finish a special course in the army (1-1.5 years, though with the obligation to stay on extra-long for 1-1.5 years (depending on how much I studied))) the program is almost university (though with a narrow specialization) and serve in units of type 8200 - electronic warfare, espionage, etc. - Experience gained in these parts such that many after that no longer go to u-you - they just have nothing to do there. These units in Israel are ultimately a forge of personnel for the citizen. A huge number of young people who served in them after leaving founded their companies on a comp. security, programming, etc. turning into 30 millionaires by the age of XNUMX.
          At the same time, the service is almost like a citizen - including the lack of uniform.
          The son of friends served there for 4 years (without a uni). Now he works (for 5-7 years) in a company related to the protection of information, a salary - we don’t dream of such a thing. In short, the army can be a great place to develop the creative abilities of suitable conscripts, it works (in Israel it’s already 25-30) and the contribution of these * soldiers * to the defense and development of the military-industrial complex is huge.
        3. greenk19
          greenk19 5 July 2013 04: 33 New
          0
          Hmm ... I actually work in one of those companies where such guys in this reality come to (a large international IT company).
          The atmosphere, I would say, is fundamentally the opposite of the one that is present in the army ... It’s just fundamentally ... complete freedom in graphics, clothes, behavior, jokes even over the State Duma, while absolutely observing the Labor Code. And they work, with pleasure, for 16 hours sometimes (no one forces - workaholics usually).
          So ... apparently they will go to the army only by force (by conscription, that is).

          There is no place for creative people in the army. The furniture maker had a couple of good ideas. For example, when civilians brought order, otherwise for stripes this is the first mind that occupies them. For five years this system would have worked to get out of habit. And so what you listed is not acceptable. A joke at the head, this is actually a betrayal of the homeland. To joke, to be rude is allowed only to the authorities
          Quote: cdrt
      9. poquello
        poquello 4 July 2013 22: 53 New
        +1
        "Декан факультета информационных технологий и программирования Санкт-Петербургского национального исследовательского университета ИТМО Владимир Парфенов заявил, что студенты-программисты, побеждающие на олимпиадах, предпочтут работу в зарубежных компаниях работе на Минобороны.

        Он считает, что Минобороны, скорее всего, не сможет предложить молодым специалистам те условия, которые предлагают Yandex и Google"

        Have you already sold Yandex?
    2. Gato
      Gato 4 July 2013 18: 28 New
      +9
      А я им работаю. Много лет уже. Зная, сколько платят хорошим программерам, сильно сомневаюсь, что они пойдут в "научные роты". Разве что на генеральские оклады
      1. servant
        servant 4 July 2013 19: 19 New
        +3
        Unlikely for salaries, but for kickbacks it’s possible ...
      2. mole
        mole 4 July 2013 20: 49 New
        +1
        В этом то и заключается талант управленца (про Шойгу мне вряд ли кто скажет что он только РУКами водить может), наверняка - это его "замут", будет держать на личном контроле. Озадачит клерков и найдут чем привлечь! Резервы всегда есть.
      3. poquello
        poquello 4 July 2013 23: 30 New
        +3
        "А я им работаю. Много лет уже. Зная, сколько платят хорошим программерам, сильно сомневаюсь, что они пойдут в "научные роты". Разве что на генеральские оклады"

        Я таки думаю количество хороших прграммеров с лихвой перекрывает хорошие зарплаты. Но в данном конкретном случае Ваша мысль совершенно ниочём конкретном, ибо (что понятно от Кожугедовича) программер без предмета программирования - это "как художник художнику" (1С программмер, html программер, web программер)

        And besides money, there are a lot of motivations, I knew one ChPUshnik - he was terribly proud of participating in the Baikonur.
        1. Gato
          Gato 5 July 2013 10: 55 New
          0
          I still think the number of good programmers more than covers good salaries

          I assure you, colleague, there are very few people who are really good programmers. As a long-term team lead, I’ll add that choosing the ones suitable for your team is a problem, even for a lot of money. And to find an intelligent task manager who knows the subject area is generally a lottery gain!
          I will not argue about motivation - this is not my level of abstractions.
          1. poquello
            poquello 5 July 2013 22: 59 New
            +2
            "Уверяю Вас, коллега, людей, действительно являющимися хорошими программерами очень мало. Как многолетний тимлид добавлю, что из них выбрать подходящих для свой команды - проблема, даже за большие деньги. А найти толкового постановщика задач, знающего предметную область - вообще выигрыш в лотерею!"

            Как то внимательней читайте, какие программеры? Железячники - на уровне машкодов с своими задачами, дальше с делением по железкам, железячники - под согласование с оськой, дальше пошли с делением по оськам. Ассемблерщики итп, сишники итп, высокоуровневые, системные, по приложениям. Вы за них за всех меня уверяете? У меня задача предположилась - согласовать автоматику с "нейтрино", мои с "нейтрино" не работали - всё идём мимо.
    3. waisson
      waisson 4 July 2013 19: 17 New
      +2
      I wish there were more people like you who were destined to be on the forefront of attack, and whoever moved their brains a lot, I looked at his son for seven years and he’d better understand me with a computer sometimes ashamed to ask
    4. mole
      mole 4 July 2013 20: 23 New
      +2
      Come on, just learn better! wink Break a leg!
    5. cdrt
      cdrt 4 July 2013 20: 52 New
      0
      Are you a laureate of an international programming contest? wink
    6. afire
      afire 5 July 2013 00: 51 New
      0
      programmer what? C ++ or hardware encoder?
    7. w.ebdo.g
      w.ebdo.g 5 July 2013 01: 48 New
      +1
      country development data for 10 years ...
    8. greenk19
      greenk19 5 July 2013 03: 54 New
      0
      Well, you will find a job in the army, but they are unlikely to be allowed to work. They will constantly poke that it’s not personnel ... The bosses who do not understand anything will demand something incomprehensible.
    9. little man
      little man 5 July 2013 11: 48 New
      -1
      A flair can fail. Skolkovo did not forget? I do not believe in the result of this campaign.
  2. Civil
    Civil 4 July 2013 18: 15 New
    +3
    The main thing is that an uneducated commander would not be set to lead this all, I believe that they can.
    1. Canep
      Canep 4 July 2013 18: 28 New
      +8
      Programmers generally do not need a commander; they need a leader who can coordinate their work and nothing more.
      1. cdrt
        cdrt 4 July 2013 21: 13 New
        +3
        team lead, PM, manager wink
        Something like this.
        As a person living and seemingly successfully working in IT, I think that programmers mean little in general. For even an ingenious coder can just do a good code, no less, but no more.
        The main problem of the same ESU TK is not at all in the quality of the code - the Indians bungle quickly, cheaply and fairly qualitatively (if quality control and testing are properly established).
        The problem is in architecture, general formulation, and in detailed settings. This requires not just knowledge of the code, but knowledge, a deep understanding of the process itself. And this is a complete PPC (you can read the same Dragon of the first one - a prosralipolymer, but after all, everything that describes shows the knowledge of directors at the baseboard level).
        And scientific companies will not solve this problem at all. The director is a professional, not a genius (i.e., a lot of experience and practical knowledge of the subject).
        And scientific companies will solve only one problem - PR MO ...
        1. fisherman
          fisherman 4 July 2013 22: 52 New
          0
          And scientific companies will not solve this problem at all.


          good task managers are needed in any collective endeavor; their importance can hardly be overestimated

          regarding the problem, what would you advise?
        2. poquello
          poquello 4 July 2013 23: 55 New
          +1
          "team lead, PM, манагер wink
          Как то так."
          "волюнтаризм"

          "Как человек живущий и вроде бы успешно работающий в ИТ считаю, что приграммисты значат в общем-то мало. Ибо даже гениальный кодер может всего-то сделать хороший код, не меньше, но и не больше."

          Can you tell me the difference between a programmer, encoder, task manager, project manager, developer.
          1. Sergey_K
            Sergey_K 5 July 2013 00: 05 New
            +2
            A programmer is simply a broad concept. Previously, everyone who knew how to turn on a computer was called programmers.
            Coder - human-machine, lower caste. He is given the task and he is part of the program.
            The task manager is the person who sees the whole problem. All aspects of development, TK, how individual program modules should work, etc. At what time should this be done.
            Project Manager - bears responsibility, solves all organizational issues.
            Developer is a broad concept. All I have listed are developers.
            There is still not enough tester and manager.
            A tester is testing products.
            Manager is looking for customers.
            1. poquello
              poquello 5 July 2013 01: 08 New
              +1
              That's right, maybe in IT it’s not so - I don’t know.

              "Разработчик - широкое понятие. Все, кого я перечислил - разработчики."

              responsible for the architecture between the director and the encoder

              "Тут еще нехватает тестировщика и манагера.
              A tester is testing products.
              Манагер ищет клиентов."

              Anikeists and testers are not programmers.
    2. Airman
      Airman 4 July 2013 18: 30 New
      +1
      Quote: Civil
      The main thing is that an uneducated commander would not be set to lead this all, I believe that they can.

      Ага, командиром роты назначат профессора,доктора искусствоведения, что бы он мог по достоинству оценить это "искусство".
  3. Xmypp
    Xmypp 4 July 2013 18: 25 New
    +6
    Would go to our prof. hackers, what difference does it make to crack. And so they would work for the benefit of the Motherland, receive pay and have huge opportunities for their achievements.
    1. Gato
      Gato 4 July 2013 18: 44 New
      +5
      Quote: Xmypp
      Would go to our prof. hackers, what difference does it make to crack. And so it would work for the good of the Motherland

      Busy! They have long been thoughtfully used by special services.
  4. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 4 July 2013 18: 26 New
    +3
    Идея не плохая парней умных много в России а еще по миру сколько разбежалось (ломают всю хрень подряд прикалываются) А здесь на Родину можно поработать за идею (и не только)Пора собирать команду...И звания соответственные (и типо "дивизия хакеров заступила на дежурство ...)))) bully
    1. mole
      mole 4 July 2013 20: 57 New
      +1
      В КНДР и КНР вродь такие заступают, иногда о них вродь слышно. О Наших вродь, только из "прикола ради". Так что же гениям пропадать. Не все же деньгами измеряется, не все Абрамовичи в Нашей стране и BIGGEST and expensive yacht не каждому нужна. Может и найдется для "Королева" свое место которым, Наши потомки, гордится будут! Я в это верю! Но знаю точно, что если не искать, то точно не будет.
  5. Recon
    Recon 4 July 2013 18: 37 New
    +8
    We need ideological people, of whom there are not many in the IT environment. But I believe that they are. And, of course, it is necessary that these people calmly go about their business in the service, rather than die at construction sites and household jobs. Shooting once every couple of months and combined-arms physo without fanaticism - this is the maximum that they need to be strained, because this is still intellectual work.
    1. cdrt
      cdrt 4 July 2013 21: 16 New
      0
      The IT environment is absolutely international. Good programmers sit at home, and work for Americans, Swedes, Canadians, etc. It’s quite difficult to convince that their colleagues, friends with whom there were a lot of things together, from the same Poland, Israel, the States are enemies wink
    2. Sergey_K
      Sergey_K 4 July 2013 23: 47 New
      0
      Ideal, in the sense, it is not necessary to pay them)
      1. fisherman
        fisherman 5 July 2013 01: 23 New
        0
        Ideal, in the sense, it is not necessary to pay them)


        в смысле, что "за Державу обидно" заменяет часть зарплаты

        Well, something like this :)
  6. pogis
    pogis 4 July 2013 18: 46 New
    +2
    "шарашки" возвращаются?
  7. individual
    individual 4 July 2013 18: 46 New
    +5
    Humor. soldier
    In her microblog on Twitter, former Russian intelligence official Anna Chapman invited Edward Snowden to marry her.
    It remains to convince Snowden and under the law on citizenship serve as a programmer in the Russian Army.
    There he will be given a winter hat for free.
    1. little man
      little man 5 July 2013 11: 56 New
      -1
      Humor is good.
      But the situation with Snowden is not beautiful, in my opinion, it turned out.
      Putin disowned him as hell from incense. Like, he didn’t let him do the bad things about striped broadcasts. (Get fucked! Yes, he would have to give him milk for free!)
      In general, I think Putin stupidly scared.
      1. nerd.su
        nerd.su 5 July 2013 13: 04 New
        0
        Quote: man
        In general, I think Putin stupidly scared

        Hardly. Rather, he does not want to make Snowden his. I didn’t let him into Ecuador, although he had documents, though not signed by the president. And in the states does not issue. And in general, he immediately declared: We extradite criminals to those countries with which we have an extradition treaty, or exchange ours for yours. So Snowden will sit in our transit hall until either the United States concludes an agreement with us, or does not offer us to wave Snowden to Buta and Yaroshenko. In the latter case, it will be the height of art. Exchange one person who has committed a crime against the United States, for others, also, according to the American court, who planned and committed a crime against the USA! If Putin manages to force the Americans to such an exchange, or at least sign an agreement, he can forgive a lot ...

        But idealists who believe that we do not betray Snowden because he is good will be disappointed.
  8. Sobol
    Sobol 4 July 2013 18: 47 New
    0
    Correctly! And through these Talents, take our industrial espionage to a new level. And I have not heard for a long time that our intelligence has put some know-how on anyone.
    1. Canep
      Canep 4 July 2013 19: 27 New
      +1
      The rod is mainly ours. And they don’t bother, they manage with two running circuits - in the morning money, in the evening chairs.
    2. Draz
      Draz 4 July 2013 19: 30 New
      +1
      So it works well hi
    3. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 4 July 2013 20: 18 New
      0
      Quote: SoboL
      And I have not heard for a long time that our intelligence has put some know-how on anyone.
      Our intelligence is extremely scrupulous regarding the patent rights of potential adversaries.
  9. NickitaDembelnulsa
    NickitaDembelnulsa 4 July 2013 18: 47 New
    +5
    I hope our hackers can compete with the Chinese Army of Hackers
    1. 11 black
      11 black 4 July 2013 19: 30 New
      +4
      Quote: NickitaDembelnulsa
      I hope our hackers can compete with the Chinese Army of Hackers

      Не сомневайтесь - если за дело возьмутся наши (а они по праву считаются самыми мозговитыми - олимпиады это подтверждают) американцы будут с ностальгией вспоминать о добрых "китайских" временах.
      And by the way, there are a lot of conscious people among programmers who can agree to work for the MO even under less favorable (within reasonable limits of course) conditions, here is an example
      1. cdrt
        cdrt 4 July 2013 21: 21 New
        0
        hmm ...
        Well, firstly, a brainy programmer and a hacker are completely different things.
        A programmer, as a rule, is obsessed with doing something. Hacker - something to break.
        Also...
        In my opinion, according to existing statistics, most of the hacker attacks in Europe come from the Russian Federation, Germany and only then China. In the world - in my opinion, again, the Russian leader. Only relatively USA leader China
        1. experienced
          experienced 4 July 2013 21: 24 New
          +3
          Quote: cdrt
          In my opinion, according to existing statistics, most of the hacker attacks in Europe come from the Russian Federation, Germany and only then China. In the world - in my opinion, again, the leader of the Russian Federation

          Or maybe this is just the coolness of hackers from other countries? Patriotism, that is, your g ... o shove the neighbor to the hacker as two fingers abasfayt? wink
    2. zart_arn
      zart_arn 4 July 2013 19: 42 New
      +2
      "ПОДБОР ПАРОЛЯ к серверам пентагона"
      randomly cherished combination. laughing
      1. 11 black
        11 black 4 July 2013 19: 54 New
        +1
        Quote: zart_arn
        "ПОДБОР ПАРОЛЯ к серверам пентагода"
        randomly cherished combination. laughing

        CEP - are you ???? laughing
    3. cdrt
      cdrt 4 July 2013 21: 19 New
      +5
      About Chinese hackers about 8 years ago, when they hacked the Pentagon server there was a joke.
      Китайцы взломали сервер Пентагона. В операции участвовал 1 млрд китайцев. Каждый вводил пароль один раз. Каждый вводил один и тот же пароль - "Мао Дзе Дун". После 878 млн.повторов сервер согласился, что его пароль "Мао Дзе Дун" wink
      1. poquello
        poquello 5 July 2013 00: 23 New
        +1
        "После 878 млн.повторов сервер согласился, что его пароль "Мао Дзе Дун" "

        cool
        However, the first Chinese software did.
  10. Apollo
    4 July 2013 18: 48 New
    +7
    quote-"Application Areas for military personnel there are a lot of such companies. This, in particular, is the work on creating mobile electrical installations on alternative power sources, which are the sun and wind, such installations are needed for mining units, as well as installations for the extraction and purification of water, ”RIA Novosti quotes Shoigu.
    In addition, according to him, the military is interested in communications, robotics and "everything innovative that is possible for use in the Armed Forces."

    it’s commendable that Defense Minister S. Shoigu famously took up this matter. Honor and praise. A small digression, a long time ago, 30 years have passed since the information that was published in central newspapers. I’m writing from memory. A French intelligence veteran was asked what’s the country's strongest intelligence service. I want to make a reservation at once; his answer was subjective. So, in response to a question, he stated literally the following, in terms of the speed of clarity of precision of the Israeli Mossad, in terms of political intrigue, of course, the CIA, in terms of globality and industrial spy even this is of course the KGB. In my opinion, I don’t see anything bad and shameful about it. It’s another matter if the latest developments of the opponents, with the help of domestic special services, would fall into the hands of these young specialists. It’s possible to turn off the mountains then, in terms of further research and discoveries, while catching up with lost time.
    1. cdrt
      cdrt 4 July 2013 21: 23 New
      +3
      Shameful of course there is nothing. The USSR really lagged behind Europe and the USA. Thanks to scientific and technical reconnaissance, so many good things were obtained for copying - one atomic bomb is worth what ...
      So ... NT intelligence really were super-fellows.
  11. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 4 July 2013 19: 01 New
    +1
    Now in the modern world (given that everyone is armed with drones, robots, etc.) There is a global information war .. (it's time to create separate military units (hacker programmers .. or we'll be late again ..)
    1. zart_arn
      zart_arn 4 July 2013 19: 45 New
      +2
      Are you ready to pay a double general salary to an ordinary such a part?
      1. 11 black
        11 black 4 July 2013 22: 31 New
        0
        Quote: zart_arn
        Are you ready to pay a double general salary to an ordinary such a part?


        Если эта часть сможет в нужную минуту "вынести" все средства связи, спутниковую разведку, БПЛА итд итп то можно и раскошелиться!...

        PS as amers and all NATO is very vulnerable to cyber attacks ...
  12. APASUS
    APASUS 4 July 2013 19: 24 New
    +5
    I think that if they are paid with dignity, they will not be able to get into the army, but if forced, then there will be no sense.
  13. True
    True 4 July 2013 19: 30 New
    +3
    First there were the military settlements of Arakcheev, then the sharashka of Stalin ... now this. Not to create normal research institutes, where the same students will work for a decent salary.
    1. cdrt
      cdrt 4 July 2013 21: 24 New
      -1
      This is not our method.
      Our power holders learned from childhood to divide and take away, and not to add and multiply wink
  14. Andrey Peter
    Andrey Peter 4 July 2013 19: 32 New
    +7
    And I like Shoigu more and more. Unscheduled exercises and much more immediately went. That's just with scientific
    companies really do not understand. To take talented young programmers, I think he will not be in the company, but in the development departments that deal with UAVs, for example. In principle, he knows better how he will arrange it wink
  15. Starksa
    Starksa 4 July 2013 19: 52 New
    +3
    And I would go to a scientific company, only a university graduate, but health is not so hot
  16. Vlad-32
    Vlad-32 4 July 2013 20: 01 New
    +1
    I believe that our state and the Moscow Region do the right and the right thing in resolving this issue. All the ministry and the programmers themselves will benefit from this. Finally, a reasonable decision has been made. And I'm far from the idea expressed here by individual users that programmers are agents. Bullshit and nothing more! It’s not so often that they sell our homeland.
  17. Whale
    Whale 4 July 2013 20: 01 New
    0
    The final of the ACM ICPC international programming world team championship ended yesterday in St. Petersburg. For the first time in 37-year history this tournament was held in Russia. The main organizer of the championship in Russia was the St. Petersburg National Research University of Information Technologies, Mechanics and Optics (NRU ITMO), Yandex was its official partner. NRU ITMO did not accept the championship by chance - students of this university became world champions four times in the last 10 years and this year they defended their title
    1. Whale
      Whale 4 July 2013 20: 02 New
      0
      Almost from the very beginning of the competition, the NRU ITMO team came out on top. At some point, they overtook the closest rival in two tasks, which is a huge gap for these competitions. As a result, the NRU ITMO team did not lose the first place - the guys solved 10 out of 11 problems and successfully defended the championship title. The second place was taken by the team of Shanghai Technical University with 9 tasks, the third - the team of the University of Tokyo, which solved 8 problems. According to the rules of the tournament, medals are awarded not only to the first three, but to all teams that took from 1 to 12 places - the teams of St. Petersburg State University and the BSU received silver medals, and the Moscow State University and Perm State University - bronze. Congratulations to the guys with the won medals, and NRU ITMO - with the fifth championship title!
      1. Whale
        Whale 4 July 2013 20: 04 New
        -4
        And as you can see from the above, the task is not to find people, but to lie in how to launder money under a plausible pretext
      2. cdrt
        cdrt 4 July 2013 21: 28 New
        -1
        hmm ... this is certainly great, only MIT and Stanford are the absolute leaders in IT talents. Interesting - did they participate (I'm serious)?
    2. cdrt
      cdrt 4 July 2013 21: 26 New
      0
      Such guys need to be sent to Yandex, and not to sharaby.
      And to make sure that not only Yandex can survive in the Russian Federation ...
      The country will benefit hundreds of times more
      1. Sergey_K
        Sergey_K 4 July 2013 23: 52 New
        0
        Yandex has very good conditions and high-level engineers. Do not worry about them.
  18. Karabin
    Karabin 4 July 2013 20: 03 New
    +7
    “Today I heard on television that the students of one of the St. Petersburg universities for the fifth time became world programming champions. They must be found.

    And if the Minister of Defense had not turned on the TV or turned on at another time? Everything, the army would have remained without programmers. By my naivety, I thought that somewhere, where, and even in the power ministries, there are definitely analytical departments that are called upon to generate such ideas, to calculate situations and provide all this to management. I’m even afraid to suggest what else Shoigu could get from our television. It is necessary to protect our ministers from malicious channels, leaving only profile ones.
    1. Whale
      Whale 4 July 2013 20: 18 New
      +3
      I can add that our ministers also learn about life in the country from television

      and the mine of defense has died for a long time.
      and the smell of decomposition is profusely covered by grandiose plans and pathos lies and nostalgia for the old days
      1. aviamed90
        aviamed90 4 July 2013 20: 26 New
        +1
        Karabin

        And profile ones - which ones?

        Nightly erotic?
        1. cdrt
          cdrt 4 July 2013 21: 28 New
          +1
          Yes, and the Star Channel wink
  19. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 4 July 2013 20: 04 New
    0
    Quote: zart_arn
    Are you ready to pay a double general salary to an ordinary such a part?

    No, of course ... they’ll buy it anyway ... in Russia everything is different .. and you don’t need to provoke.! (Because it’s useless ..)
    1. cdrt
      cdrt 4 July 2013 21: 30 New
      0
      On the other hand ... the AOI seem to say there are scientific companies.
      But ... there the atmosphere in the army is the opposite of ours, and the threats to Israel are hundreds of times more real than ours
  20. aviamed90
    aviamed90 4 July 2013 20: 23 New
    +3
    One thing is not clear to me: Shoigu - Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation or is he in charge of the military-industrial complex (MIC)?

    Maybe let everyone do their own thing?
  21. Whale
    Whale 4 July 2013 20: 25 New
    0
    Now let's think about what these scientific companies will do to write viruses, crack, ..... and without the bottom craftsmen enough
    That's right: listed in part for it will be a child of bureaucrats and talkers
  22. Yarosvet
    Yarosvet 4 July 2013 20: 30 New
    +1
    Mdya ... Right stream of non-targeted initiatives ...
    1. cdrt
      cdrt 4 July 2013 21: 31 New
      +1
      There was a sketch in the HB sketch show when the guy was considered fit until he was torn apart by the pressure of the atrerial wink
  23. Bezarius
    Bezarius 4 July 2013 20: 33 New
    +1
    I would also probably not refuse to work as a software developer for combat systems, though the prospect of working with bureaucrats who have a brain full of fat and who are unable to think in a modern way doesn’t appeal to them, moreover, I don’t think that they will really offer work, and I don’t want to be on-site. ..
    1. cdrt
      cdrt 4 July 2013 21: 33 New
      +3
      I remember because of the admission (and restricted to leave the place) at one time I refused a similar offer ...
      Although ... the man who called me bureaucrats was not. Such a good cinematographer, engineer, intelligent programmer. Yes, and a decent man with humor. But ... above him was a regiment of infantry wink , a complete dumb scumbag clerk ...
      I talked with him and the next day I sent him away (1996) ...
      Although later, in 2003, he met his father’s father — an air defense engineer, a state prize laureate, and a smart girl. So his subordinates and colleagues - both smart and sensible eyes, and sane ... Only all of them were already fired from the army then, now there are only a few
  24. bubla5
    bubla5 4 July 2013 21: 19 New
    +3
    What to look for them in Russia is a whole army of unclaimed people with disabilities, computer specialists, if you use them at least 30-40% of their potential together, you can bring the whole world and network to its knees in front of our country
  25. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 4 July 2013 21: 40 New
    0
    Such structures have long existed in the special services of different countries .. and drive all sorts of fans to pick out .. not bad .. Snowden took advantage of his official position .. simply. For Russia, plus, but they may appear in our country too ... So if they create a military information unit ... they will take new young people and train them accordingly .. So relax gentlemen, hackers break ATMs and the like .. (I don’t about everyone)
  26. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 4 July 2013 22: 07 New
    0
    Quote: bubla5
    What to look for them in Russia is a whole army of unclaimed people with disabilities, computer specialists, if you use them at least 30-40% of their potential together, you can bring the whole world and network to its knees in front of our country

    Good idea !! .. Will they only agree to this .. ?? Inter is their world of communication .. And they’ll be put in secret .. so don’t know .. New ones are needed .. (the rest just sit on the forums drinking beer and cracking all kinds of cans and all their hobby .. alas .. (not all. . no offense ..)
  27. I think so
    I think so 4 July 2013 22: 15 New
    +1
    This minister gave a stupid task ... The programmer needs to be trained for 10-15 years, giving him the WORK to set STRENGTHENING and more complicated tasks ... And to recruit balabol students who can turn on the computer and drive bugs on it. ventures will make money grow up the know-it-alls of those who know nothing, who in a year will go to sell cowards in the market (they all have one thing to program, what to trade, anyway MOBAL to mow). Ah Minister, Minister ... It's easy to crush, but hard to build ...
    1. Rumata
      Rumata 4 July 2013 23: 45 New
      +2
      Quote: I think so
      And to recruit balabol students who know how to turn on the computer and drive bugs on it.

      Так поступают все армии мира, которые имеют подобные "научные" роты. Что лучше набрать 500 детей, учить их десять лет ,тратить деньги, часть не подойдет,часть разбежится на гражданку. Или заманить пряниками успешных выпускников из ведущих ВУЗ-ов , в нужных специальностях?
      Quote: I think so
      . And to recruit balabol students who know how to turn on the computer and drive bugs on it.

      If for you the winners of the Olympiad, drove bugs on it, then Google will help you.
      Here is the problem from a simple student olympiad, not even international, chase bugs

      Input File Name: H.in
      Output File Name: H.out
      The maximum task execution time is 10 seconds.

      The pattern consists of m (2..10) circles defined by their coordinates of the centers (x, y) and radii r. Find the largest number of circles whose centers lie on the lines of the first circle.
      Input format
      In the first line, the number m is the number of circles, in the next m lines is the center x, y and the radius r of each circle /
      Output format
      One number is the number of such circles.
      1. iv82an
        iv82an 5 July 2013 16: 21 New
        +1
        Powerful puzzle. Grades for 5 or 6 regular school.
        In extreme cases, from the Olympiad for music schools or veterinary colleges.
        Find the length of the line between the two coordinates of the centers and compare it with the length of the radius of the first circle.
        I am far from a programmer, but in 5,7 programming languages ​​I will write it (Like many others).

        I hope the scientific company will not be engaged in such tasks.
  28. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 4 July 2013 22: 26 New
    +2
    Quote: I think so
    This minister gave a stupid task ... The programmer needs to be trained for 10-15 years, giving him the WORK to set STRENGTHENING and more complicated tasks ... And to recruit balabol students who can turn on the computer and drive bugs on it. ventures will make money grow up the know-it-alls of those who know nothing, who in a year will go to sell cowards in the market (they all have one thing to program, what to trade, anyway MOBAL to mow). Ah Minister, Minister ... It's easy to crush, but hard to build ...

    It depends on how you look .. percentages 90-95 will be .. With what you need to start finally .. or again we will scratch the back of the head .. ???
  29. individual
    individual 4 July 2013 22: 28 New
    +2
    Идея сочетать учебу и службу родилась в стенах МГТУ, военное ведомство заинтересовалось деталями плана, разработанного в одном из лучших российских технических вузов. Первая "научная рота" будет создана на базе Военно-воздушной академии имени профессора Жуковского и Гагарина в Воронеже. Конкурс при отборе кандидатов составил три человека на место, всего же до 5 июля военные обещали набрать туда 35 человек.
  30. Russ69
    Russ69 4 July 2013 22: 47 New
    +1
    Смотрел репортаж по "Звезде". Как сказал Шойгу, то привлекать будут стипендиатов олимпиад и все такое в этом роде. В случае если в научных ротах появятся "блатные", то все командование которое его зачислено, будет уволено.
    The promise is certainly good, but let's see what happens.
  31. ALEKS419
    ALEKS419 4 July 2013 23: 02 New
    +2
    [quote = cdrt] Who served in the army, does not laugh at the circus ... [/ quote does not agree with you radically!
    1. fisherman
      fisherman 4 July 2013 23: 30 New
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      in the army without humor is impossible
  32. mirag2
    mirag2 4 July 2013 23: 39 New
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    It's time, in England, even just gamers (not to mention IT specialists) are hired to work in the Armed Forces.
  33. Locksmith
    Locksmith 5 July 2013 00: 05 New
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    Something this step reminds me of Shoigu somehow PR, and then damn it and without him did not know who else to draw into the army and without too much chatter, I doubt that these programmers need such advertising sad
  34. rpek32
    rpek32 5 July 2013 00: 12 New
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    The main thing is that any grandmothers
    http://lurkmore.to/%D0%90%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%B9_%D0%91%D0%B0%D0%B1
    %D1%83%D1%88%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BD
    and Popovs
    http://lurkmore.to/%D0%94%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%81_%D0%9F%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%B2


    not scored, otherwise it will be a failure
  35. Andrey Peter
    Andrey Peter 5 July 2013 00: 25 New
    +2
    After some comments, I don’t understand their meaning at all. Firstly, what kind of kickbacks can a young programmer have. Nobody will offer him the salary of two generals. And the second one does not have to judge everything by his standards. Guys when they are passionate about their work / hobby / and they will be offered to work for the country with good equipment and perspective with pleasure IMX will agree. And in order to earn money in business, you still need to break through.
  36. Alex Nick
    Alex Nick 5 July 2013 00: 31 New
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    The guys are great and deserve an interesting job. I think they will not be disappointed.
  37. minimum
    minimum 5 July 2013 01: 31 New
    +2
    Ребяткам в блестящими перспективами предлагают принудительно поработать на родину "за идею") Неплохая мотивация для должной и кипучей работы. В этой сфере, с людьми такого типа такое приказное отношение с розысками и принудительной службой не имеет смысла, программеры просто будут убивать время не напрягаясь. Нужно предлагать деньги, перспективы, уважительно и с улыбочкой, на цыпочках, а вот держиморда стайл с уводом в часть в сопровождении полиции по крайней мере в научной роте приведет просто к потере времени, потере квалификации студентов и ничему более. Комично, почти реинкарнация шарашек в каком-то странном и нелепом виде.
    Z. Well, the younger ones, having looked at it all, will simply be more intensely trying to get away from here early to work in the West. I repeat, forced work in the case of such people does not make sense, it just pisses people off.
  38. FC SKIF
    FC SKIF 5 July 2013 05: 28 New
    +1
    Analytics in the sun at altitude. The minister watched on television ...
  39. Free Island
    Free Island 5 July 2013 07: 09 New
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    and then, in the glorious Soviet times, will these programmers be locked up in cellars, bunkers and other dungeons, where, after a couple of years, at the end of the task, will the programmer’s relatives be sent a notification of their missing relative?
  40. gregor6549
    gregor6549 5 July 2013 07: 55 New
    +2
    Не совсем понятно чего хочет добиться Шойгу своим "розыском". Если у армии есть потребность в программистах, объяви конкурс на замещение вакантных должностей оных программистов с подробностями касающихся места их работы, оплаты их труда, обеспечения жильем, перспективами роста и прочими делами и если эти условия будут соблазнительными для данной категории работников то никого и искать не придеться, сами сбегутся и будут драться за место руками и ногами. И почему речь идет только о программистах? Что прочие категории спецов высшей квалификации нужны меньше? На одной "цифири" войну не выиграешь
  41. Vtel
    Vtel 5 July 2013 09: 33 New
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    Without specifics, the next Skolkovo would not have worked, there was a lot of force and a lot of money, and everything was like water off a duck. Here you need to take everything out of control and you need a specific control and it’s not bad from sticking and grabbers in uniform and ranks.