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Missile tests of Russia create confusion in the definition of the ICBM and BRSD - Federation of American Scientists

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American expert on strategic weapons Hans M. Christensen (Hans M. Kristensen) in the article Russian Missile Test Creates Confusion and Opposition in Washington ("Missile tests of Russia create confusion and dissatisfaction in Washington", translated with which abbreviations - comment. "VP" ), published on blogs.fas.org 3 July, writes that the recent test launch of the modified Russian Rubezh ballistic missile is classified by some experts as a test of a new missile and that this test allegedly violates the agreement to control strategic servation, and in this regard, voices, whether the United States should continue to pursue the reduction of their nuclear forces.

Although there is a lack of some data on this rocket, the American intelligence community concluded that the rocket is a modernized RS-24 Yars (SS-27 Mod.2) with intercontinental range.

The article entitled Russian Aggression: Putin violating nuclear missile treaty (“Russia's Aggression: Putin violates the nuclear missile treaty” - translated by “VP”), published by the Washington Times Free Beacon, Russia accused of violating the INF Treaty range), concluded by the two countries in 1987 year. The treaty prohibits the creation and deployment of ballistic and cruise missiles with a launch range from 500 to 5500 km (from 300 to 3400 miles). It cites the words "one official" that a missile test is a violation of this agreement and that "two American intelligence officers believe that Yars-M is not an ICBM, but a medium-range missile." Two members of the US Congress made a request to the Obama administration that Russia might be in breach of the treaty and complained that they had not received a response. The presidential administration says it regularly informs Congress about compliance with arms reduction treaties.

The Washington Times has taken the trouble to interview Russian Colonel-General Viktor Esin about this rocket. The former chief of staff of the Strategic Missile Forces and, apparently, the consultant to the chief of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces stated that the Yars-M is a Topol-M ICBM and its range is more than 5500 km. ” This estimate does not correspond to the source from the Russian General Staff, said in November 2012 of the year after the launch of Yars-M, when rumors began that "Russia is developing a fundamentally new rocket." Yasin clearly said that we are talking about a modernized rocket equipped with a new warhead and led to the fact that the Liner SLBM (mod. SS-N-23) is also being presented as a new rocket, but “it is a modification of the“ Blue ”, equipped with an increased number of warheads and improved means to overcome missile defense. " According to him, the creators of "Yars-M" also went down this path, modernizing only the head part.

The fact is that in June 2013 of the year “Yars-M” was launched from the Kapustin Yar test site to the Sary-Shagan test site (Kazakhstan), the flight range was only 2050 km. In May last year, the same rocket was launched from the Plesetsk test center to the Kura (Kamchatka) test site, covering the distance of 5800 km, which is evidence that this missile is an ICBM. Colonel-General Vladimir Zarudnitsky announced that “the Russian Armed Forces had performed a promising test launch of the high-precision Rubezh ICBM. A spokesman for the Russian Defense Ministry, Colonel Vadim Koval, said that "the main objectives of the test were to obtain experimental data to confirm the validity of scientific, technical and technological solutions used in the development of ICBMs, as well as to check the technical characteristics of the onboard systems and components." The colonel further explained that "this rocket was created using already existing technologies that were obtained during the development of the fifth generation ICBM, which significantly reduces the time of adoption and the cost of its creation."

Missile tests of Russia create confusion in the definition of the ICBM and BRSD - Federation of American Scientists


After a successful launch from Plesetsk, the second launch was carried out from the Kapustin Yar test site, probably to test the effectiveness of missile defense weapons. Industry sources told Interfax that a new high-energy rocket fuel was also tested, which reduces the active part of the flight of ICBMs and increases protection against missile defense systems. This is a rare but not unprecedented test of an ICBM from Kapustin Yar. It was probably carried out as part of an on-board anti-missile defense test. 7 June 2012 also launched Topol ICBMs (SS-25) in order to extend the service life of this type of missile, as well as “data obtained that will be used to create effective means of overcoming missile defense,” the Russian Ministry of Defense reported. After the 2013 test in June, Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin said that the upgraded Topol-M (SS-27) is a “PRO killer”.

Short-range launch of an ICBM is not unusual and does not turn it into a medium-range missile. For example, in March 2006 of the Trident II D5 SLBM (range over 7400 km, or 4000 miles) was launched at a distance of 2200 km — almost equal to the flight of the Yars-M XMNX June-6 year. Of course, no one believes that the Trident II D2013 has evolved into a medium-range BR.

Conclusions and recommendations
If Russia really violates the provisions of the INF Treaty, then the United States should certainly raise this issue. The statement that the Yars-M ICBM is in fact an MRBD seems strange, since the rocket flew a year ago at a range of 5800 km, which corresponds to the distance of the ICBM. We do not know which of the American intelligence officers make such conclusions, whether they are accurate and whether these words are a coordinated position of the US intelligence community. Need more information about Yars-M.

Unlike the United States, Russia is already below the limits on deployed nuclear warheads under the START Treaty, and, probably, by 2018, these figures will fall even lower. Some Russian officials claim that withdrawal from the INF Treaty is needed to counter the nuclear threat from China, since this country is modernizing its arsenal of MRBD. Strangely enough, in the US, parliamentarians and experts who support the preservation of the INF Treaty are the same people who warn about the danger of modernizing China’s nuclear potential.

An article in the Washington Times Free Beacon seems to lose sight of the only way to get the consent of China and other “smaller” nuclear states to join the nuclear arms reduction process. This method is that if the United States and Russia take decisive measures to reduce their huge strategic arsenals, these countries can also follow this example. Why then find fault with the alleged unsubstantiated violations of the provisions of the INF Treaty, asks Hans M. Christensen.
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  1. Vanek
    Vanek 5 July 2013 06: 34 New
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    The agreement prohibits the creation and deployment of ballistic and cruise missiles with a launch range of 500 to 5500 km

    And what about the "Tomahawk" (or whatever it is)? With a range of 2500 km.

    Hello to everyone. hi
    1. smel
      smel 5 July 2013 06: 52 New
      20
      And so, to give a damn about the opinion of some experts from countries unfriendly to us. Their opinion is their problem. But only one thing can be remembered - the Americans never wished us well. And all their actions and aspirations are aimed only at weakening Russia. So you need to bend your line. The weak do not like. Only strong people are loved and respected.
      1. SASCHAmIXEEW
        SASCHAmIXEEW 5 July 2013 09: 05 New
        +8
        Very true, you need to create new weapons that are more advanced than Amers and more powerful!
        1. crazyrom
          crazyrom 5 July 2013 23: 33 New
          +1
          Damn, what problems, let's prove to them that the missile is intercontinental, we’ll launch them right into the clearing in front of the White House, let them see that the real intercontinental.
      2. nov_tech.vrn
        nov_tech.vrn 5 July 2013 09: 06 New
        11
        it is high time for Gorbachev and Shevarnadze to leave the unequal treaty, to the prosecutor, with a view to classifying the elements of the crime and initiating a criminal case.
        1. papss
          papss 5 July 2013 10: 35 New
          +4
          Gorbachev and Shevarnadze, to the prosecutor, for the classification of corpus delicti and initiating a criminal case
          were like that ...
          Akhromeev SF, opposed the signing, Ilyukhin V.I. called to judge them ... it’s known how it ended -
        2. ATATA
          ATATA 5 July 2013 12: 38 New
          0
          Quote: nov_tech.vrn
          it is high time for Gorbachev and Shevarnadze to leave the unequal treaty, to the prosecutor, with a view to classifying the elements of the crime and initiating a criminal case.

          Do you know the time of the INF flight from Europe to Moscow?
          If the INF Treaty is revived, then neither of us nor Europe will be bad in 10 minutes, but in the USA everything will be all right.
          1. Was mammoth
            Was mammoth 5 July 2013 22: 47 New
            0
            Quote: ATATA
            If the INF Treaty is revived, then neither of us nor Europe will be bad in 10 minutes, but in the USA everything will be all right.

            God forbid, of course. But then, I think, the USA will not be in 30 minutes. They understand this well. The INF Treaty is a compromise. Like so much in this world.
          2. dustycat
            dustycat 8 July 2013 22: 27 New
            0
            Will the tomahawk fly much longer?
        3. Airman
          Airman 5 July 2013 13: 52 New
          +1
          Quote: nov_tech.vrn
          it is high time for Gorbachev and Shevarnadze to leave the unequal treaty, to the prosecutor, with a view to classifying the elements of the crime and initiating a criminal case.


          I could only come up with a reduction in medium-range missiles. This is the same as in the ground forces from small arms to leave pistols and large-caliber sniper rifles, abandoning machine guns. It's time to go out.
    2. Basileus
      Basileus 5 July 2013 07: 10 New
      +6
      Tomahawk - not a ballistic missile, he can)
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    3. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 5 July 2013 07: 22 New
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      The 87 year agreement that Humpbacked signed there, all this has long been outdated, and the amers have withdrawn from the ABM treaty. It’s high time to get out and not give evidence of their innocence. But then again it sounds like an excuse.
      1. Denis
        Denis 5 July 2013 07: 40 New
        +9
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        The 87 year agreement that there Humpbacked signed

        At that time, Gorbachev signed everything that new American friends wanted, so all agreements can be safely revised (canceled) as harmful to Russia.
    4. Beibit
      Beibit 5 July 2013 07: 47 New
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      It is impossible to compare the number of missiles of the USA and Russia, it is necessary to compare the number of missiles of NATO and Russia, since if the war starts everyone will trample against Russia in order to capture a large piece of the pie (resources). It’s obvious ...
      1. Semurg
        Semurg 5 July 2013 22: 25 New
        0
        Quote: Beibit
        It is impossible to compare the number of missiles of the USA and Russia, it is necessary to compare the number of missiles of NATO and Russia, since if the war starts everyone will trample against Russia in order to capture a large piece of the pie (resources). It’s obvious ...

        After a nuclear exchange, there will be no one to seize resources, and if anyone remains, they will not be up to resources and territories.
        1. dustycat
          dustycat 8 July 2013 22: 29 New
          0
          But when you hit a non-nuclear tomahawks will be many comers.
    5. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 5 July 2013 08: 27 New
      +4
      Quote: Vanek
      And what about the "Tomahawk" (or whatever it is)? With a range of 2500 km.

      Tomahawk is not a ballistic missile.
      Ivan, hi
    6. Lopatov
      Lopatov 5 July 2013 09: 16 New
      +7
      Then the dog rummaged in a completely different way. The Americans are dissatisfied with our test launches along the trajectory of Kapustin Yar-Sary-Shagan. They are corny difficult to control by technical means of intelligence.
      1. Misantrop
        Misantrop 5 July 2013 11: 11 New
        +6
        Quote: Spade
        The Americans are dissatisfied with our test launches along the trajectory of Kapustin Yar-Sary-Shagan. They are corny difficult to control by technical means of intelligence.

        Exactly. good They themselves write that:
        "Two U.S. intelligence officers believe that the Yars-M is not an ICBM, but a medium-range missile." Two members of the US Congress made a request to the Obama administration that Russia may be in breach of the treaty and complained that it had not received a response.
        They simply could not get the information they were interested in and hope that Russia itself will provide it to them. Maybe a ride, they’ll bring it themselves, is it worth only snapping your fingers? wassat
        To send nafig such inquisitive balloons, the days of Gorbachev are over. Intelligence has not finalized - their problems request
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 5 July 2013 11: 24 New
          +2
          Here I am about that. In general, the star-striped ones are getting impudent, supplying OTP and cruise missiles to all kinds of Finland, and are surrounded by missile defense systems. It's time to get out of an obsolete agreement on the INF Treaty.
          "Iskander" in Armenia and the Kaliningrad region. it is rather a political demonstration. The military-technical response should be the Pioneers' analogues in the Southern and Western Districts. Plus in the Far East, the Japanese are building up their military muscles, North Korea is becoming less predictable.
          1. dustycat
            dustycat 8 July 2013 22: 32 New
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            And ClubK as an asymmetric answer.
            And the training of operators for ClubK at the place of residence and accommodation.
    7. Nitup
      Nitup 5 July 2013 09: 42 New
      +4
      Tomahawks they have sea and air based. And only land-based INF systems are prohibited.
    8. Dart weyder
      Dart weyder 5 July 2013 09: 58 New
      +3
      And there it was: - “The term“ cruise missile ”means an unmanned, self-propelled vehicle that is powered by aerodynamic lift for most of its trajectory. The term“ land-based cruise missile (GLCM) ”means a land-based cruise missile that is a delivery vehicle weapons. " therefore, air and sea-based did not affect ....
      1. Ruslan_F38
        Ruslan_F38 5 July 2013 12: 03 New
        +1
        We should not care about the opinion of "experts" from the United States. The United States is our enemy, and if withdrawal from the said treaty further increases the defense capability of our country, then this must be done, and the sooner the better. In my opinion, this is obvious.
    9. Dimonanet
      Dimonanet 5 July 2013 12: 00 New
      +1
      Amerikosov runs out of nuclear fuel for their 108 nuclear power plants ... That's why they started moving off the write-off of warheads ... they want to turn our enriched uranium back into unenriched one and buy many more tons like under EBN !!! And they would not go to ........ !!!!!!!!!
    10. Rus2012
      5 July 2013 19: 30 New
      +1
      Quote: Vanek
      And what about the "Tomahawk" (or whatever it is)? With a range of 2500 km.

      ... then bish, dear colleague, air or sea based, i.e. allowed.
      But, here he cited the information that the Yankees themselves have a "stigma in fluff" - http://topwar.ru/28049-vozdushnyy-start-rsd-lockheed-martin-opasno-igraet.html
      Air launch of the RSD, Lockheed Martin plays dangerously
      and accordingly, the summary -
      "As you know, the development and deployment of IRBMs is prohibited by the Treaty between the US and the USSR. If the US is" not whining, by rolling "promotes its development even as a target for testing missile defense systems, then the Russian Federation may also follow ... And they will go to the fields" -3,4,5 "and" Couriers "and" Speeds "..."
      Not in vain, our top leaders have mentioned that the RSD Treaty is outdated and has outlived itself ...
      1. Windbreak
        Windbreak 5 July 2013 23: 00 New
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        Quote: Rus2012
        "As you know, the development and deployment of IRBMs is prohibited by the Treaty between the US and the USSR. If the US is" not whining, by rolling "promotes its development even as a target for testing missile defense systems, then the Russian Federation may also follow ... And they will go to the fields" -3,4,5 "and" Couriers "and" Speeds "..."
        Treaty for ballistic and cruise missiles terrestrial There is also such a clause in the treaty: "A ballistic missile that is not a missile for use in a land-based version is not considered a ballistic missile, if a test launch of such a missile is carried out at a launch site for testing from a stationary launcher ground-based, which is used solely for testing purposes and which is distinguishable from ballistic missile launchers "
        1. dustycat
          dustycat 8 July 2013 22: 44 New
          0
          We will put them into the ClubKK sea containers, place them on rivers and lakes on barges.
          Operators prepare from local residents. Organize them in the National Militia.
          Change the law on weapons so that members of the National Militia Groups have the right to keep weapons at home (like the soldiers of the Tsakhal), and are required to undergo weekly training at least once a year as soldiers of the US National Guard.
    11. huginn
      huginn 5 July 2013 20: 32 New
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      "... and land-based (!) -based cruise missiles ..."
  2. valokordin
    valokordin 5 July 2013 06: 41 New
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    Just do not disarm, and then under the brand of budget cuts will begin to merge the program. If there is no money in the budget, take it from Abramovich, Deripaska, Prokhorov and other billionaires, otherwise people were taken away from these thugs, and there is not enough money for the army and pensions.
    1. sir.jonn
      sir.jonn 5 July 2013 07: 27 New
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      Quote: valokordin
      If there is no money in the budget, take from Abramovich, Deripaska, Prokhorov and other billionaires

      unequivocally, these goats need to be dispossessed, of them no good only loot for the hillock from the country is drained.
      1. S_mirnov
        S_mirnov 5 July 2013 10: 08 New
        +5
        "The way is that if the United States and Russia take drastic measures to reduce their huge strategic arsenals," this is America's dream. So that we destroy soybean nuclear weapons, the only means of ensuring the independence of our country (the army after the GDP reform can no longer be counted).

        "It is definitely necessary to dispossess these goats" - this is the people of the Russian Federation SHOULD, but our government does not need at all! And since what is happening in our country does not depend on the opinion of the people in any way, then nothing terrible will happen to Deripaska and Co. angry
        http://lenta.ru/news/2013/06/26/refuse/
  3. Ljubomir
    Ljubomir 5 July 2013 06: 51 New
    +1
    Russia is accused of violating the INF Treaty (intermediate and shorter-range missiles), concluded by the two countries in 1987. The agreement prohibits the creation and deployment of ballistic and cruise missiles with a launch range of 500 to 5500 km (300 to 3400 miles). It quotes the words “one official” that a missile test is a violation of this treaty and that “two US intelligence officers believe that the Yars-M is not an ICBM, but a medium-range missile”

    Nuuu .. and ours prove something humiliating:
    to interview Russian Colonel General Viktor Yesin about this rocket. The former chief of staff of the Strategic Missile Forces and, apparently, a consultant to the chief of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces, said that the Yars-M is the Topol-M ICBM and its range is more than 5500 km. ” This assessment does not match the words of a source from the Russian General Staff said in November 2012 after the launch of Yars-M, when rumors began to circulate that "Russia is developing a fundamentally new missile." Yasin clearly said that we are talking about a modernized missile equipped with a new warhead and cited the fact that the SLBM “Liner” (mod. SS-N-23) is also being presented as a new missile, but “it is a modification of the Sineva,” equipped with an increased number of warheads and advanced missile defense capabilities. ” According to him, the creators of Yars-M also took this path, upgrading only the head part.



    Quote: Vanek
    And what about the "Tomahawk" (or whatever it is)? With a range of 2500 km.

    Imperial no comment. In general, for such a question in your slipper that punishes cockroaches, Hezbollah may find support. Well, soak the red ones ....
  4. nikolas 83
    nikolas 83 5 July 2013 06: 55 New
    +2
    I also agree. You can’t reduce the nuclear arsenal. This is our last defense against an attack by the United States and China. Interestingly, Obama is asking Putin for a reduction, but for some reason other countries are not reducing their nuclear weapons, such as China and Israel.
    1. sir.jonn
      sir.jonn 5 July 2013 07: 30 New
      +2
      Quote: nikolas 83
      This is our last defense against US and Chinese attacks.

      at the expense of "the last" is probably the only one loudly said.
    2. igor.borov775
      igor.borov775 5 July 2013 08: 44 New
      +1
      Hi, what we argue about, everything is done right, Now there are no such injections of funds to sculpt something new, It was very expensive, the decision was made to bring what has already been done, The number of carriers is already decreasing due to natural old age, The Yankees are certainly unhappy , with a decrease there is an improvement of what remains, Yes, the democrats really do not like it when they are told that there are also them, Here they came up to China, but how about England France is silent about it
    3. Misantrop
      Misantrop 5 July 2013 11: 18 New
      +1
      Quote: nikolas 83
      Interestingly, Obama is asking Putin for a reduction, but for some reason other countries are not cutting their nuclear weapons, such as China and Israel.

      Yeah. The last paragraph of the article particularly touched:
      An article in the Washington Times Free Beacon seems to overlook the only way for China and other "smaller" nuclear states to agree to join the nuclear arms reduction process. This way is that if the United States and Russia take decisive measures to reduce their huge strategic arsenals, these countries may also follow this example
      What naivety, "may follow." Like "we'll go drown, maybe the rest will want to bathe." And if they don't want to, then how? Build up again, tearing the veins? Or quietly glow, cooling down after a nuclear strike on stupid pacifists?
  5. Cat
    Cat 5 July 2013 06: 57 New
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    Russia, in response to claims, should state the following: a rocket flies to a medium range for the reason that the country's territory does not allow launching at full range. Proceeding from this, it would be nice if the US leadership considered the issue of allocating Russia a couple of hectares to denote in Florida or California to arrange a nuclear test site. That, in turn, will help to avoid misunderstandings in the future - since it will allow us to unambiguously classify tested missiles as intercontinental, rather than some kind of suspicious missile-launch vehicle there.

    Something like that =)
    1. Ruslan67
      Ruslan67 5 July 2013 06: 59 New
      +7
      Quote: Cat
      Russia, in response to claims, must state the following

      We reject claims of any shape color odor negative laughing
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 5 July 2013 07: 44 New
        +3
        Quote: Ruslan67
        We reject claims of any shape color odor

        I feel - the first puff has gone ...
        1. Ruslan67
          Ruslan67 5 July 2013 07: 49 New
          +2
          Quote: retired
          the first puff went ...

          Rather, the last glass after which my cats begin to understand what I want from them wassat
    2. Vanek
      Vanek 5 July 2013 07: 03 New
      +2
      Quote: Cat
      state the following


      Value proposition yes
      1. Ruslan67
        Ruslan67 5 July 2013 07: 13 New
        +2
        hello Ivan hi
        1. Vanek
          Vanek 5 July 2013 07: 15 New
          +1
          Ruslan, good afternoon. hi
          1. Ruslan67
            Ruslan67 5 July 2013 07: 19 New
            +2
            Quote: Vanek
            good afternoon

            And here we learn from the news laughing
            1. Vanek
              Vanek 5 July 2013 07: 30 New
              +1
              Quote: Ruslan67
              from the news


              At 7-00 I watched the news. Apparently, not so bad.
              1. Ruslan67
                Ruslan67 5 July 2013 07: 40 New
                +2
                Quote: Vanek
                Apparently, not so bad.

                Well then, good morning drinks laughing
                1. raf
                  raf 5 July 2013 08: 08 New
                  0
                  Morning is never good! what
                  1. Vanek
                    Vanek 5 July 2013 08: 10 New
                    0
                    Quote: raf
                    Morning is never good!


                    Are you watching the news?
                  2. dustycat
                    dustycat 8 July 2013 22: 48 New
                    0
                    I answer my subordinates to this: those who eat hamburgers and drink cocoa.
    3. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 5 July 2013 08: 28 New
      +1
      Quote: Cat
      Based on this, it would be nice if the US leadership considered the issue of allocating Russia a couple of hectares in Florida or California to arrange a nuclear testing ground.

      Yes, not somewhere in Florida, but in downtown Manhattan.
    4. SASCHAmIXEEW
      SASCHAmIXEEW 5 July 2013 09: 09 New
      +1
      Great offer, or better yet, somewhere in the Washington area ....
      1. stroporez
        stroporez 5 July 2013 09: 35 New
        0
        wassat in such an oval closet wassat
    5. IRBIS
      IRBIS 5 July 2013 10: 48 New
      +2
      Quote: Cat
      Russia, in response to claims, should state the following: a rocket flies to a medium range for the reason that the country's territory does not allow launching at full range.

      And generally speaking. This is our rocket. As we want, we measure it. Where we want - there we let it go. Let them rejoice that we let them in on their territory. So far in its ...
    6. Misantrop
      Misantrop 5 July 2013 16: 35 New
      0
      Quote: Cat
      It would be nice if the US leadership considered the issue of allocating Russia a couple of hectares to denote in Florida or California

      Or even simpler - return Alaska. Due to the expiration of the lease ... lol
  6. cobalt
    cobalt 5 July 2013 07: 17 New
    +6
    The main conditions of the contract are as follows.
    The Treaty on the Elimination of Medium and Short Range Missiles (INF), entered into force on June 1, 1988. The parties to the agreement pledged not to produce, test, or deploy ballistic and ground-based cruise missiles of medium range (from 1000 to 5500 km) and short range (from 500 to 1000 km).

    Tomahawk is a sea-based missile, so it is not subject to destruction.

    According to Art. 3 of the Agreement, subject to destruction:

    medium-range missiles
    USSR - RSD-10 "Pioneer", "P-12", "P-14" (according to NATO classification, "SS-20", "SS-4" and "SS-5, respectively) and ground-based cruise missiles of the Republic of Kazakhstan -55 (according to NATO classification - SSC-X-4 "Slingshot");
    USA - Pershing-2 and BGM-109G (ground-based Tomahawk cruise missile);
    short-range missiles
    USSR - OTR-22 Temp-S and OTR-23 Oka (SS-12 and SS-23);
    USA - "Pershing-1A."

    By June, the 1991 agreement was fully implemented: the USSR destroyed 1846 missile systems (of which about half were produced missiles that were not on combat duty); USA - 846 complexes.

    What prevents us now from putting into service sea and air-based cruise missiles with a long launch range and with the possibility of installing a nuclear warhead on them, for example, on the Club complex
    1. dustycat
      dustycat 8 July 2013 22: 51 New
      0
      And what are river and lake-based missiles?
  7. mogus
    mogus 5 July 2013 07: 20 New
    +5
    Russia is accused of violating the INF Treaty (intermediate and shorter-range missiles), concluded by the two countries in 1987. The agreement prohibits the creation and deployment of ballistic and cruise missiles with a launch range of 500 to 5500 km (300 to 3400 miles).

    Banter banter, and in fact in the previous article suggested calling the rocket an unmanned aerial vehicle with jet thrust, one-time, with the possibility of self-destruction at the final stage of flight.
  8. cobalt
    cobalt 5 July 2013 07: 30 New
    +5
    Here is the Club complex, an excellent weapon.
    1. SASCHAmIXEEW
      SASCHAmIXEEW 5 July 2013 09: 17 New
      +2
      Amer did not ask himself a question, how many of these "clubs" are already in the ports of their country? And do we need their missile defense after that?
  9. 1304
    1304 5 July 2013 07: 35 New
    0
    You do not understand it should hit the target from 0 to 500 and from 5500 onwards.
    And between 500 and 5500, we certainly can’t.
    But they can.
  10. pensioner
    pensioner 5 July 2013 07: 37 New
    +4
    Two members of the US Congress made a request to the Obama administration that Russia may be in violation of the treaty and complained that it had not received a response.

    Correct request had to be issued! They didn’t indicate which hemisphere of the president they requested ... That’s it ...
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 5 July 2013 08: 29 New
      +1
      Quote: retired
      They didn’t indicate which hemisphere of the president they requested ... That’s it ...

      Of course, but they are not communicating with him. wink
  11. domokl
    domokl 5 July 2013 07: 52 New
    +2
    Was it scary for its much-vaunted missile defense system in Europe? So a rocket flies from ... and ..do ... But it may well fall out and somewhere in the middle of the way ... It’s a rocket ... laughing
    In general, the agreement on short- and medium-range missiles is a huge mistake of our leadership. And we must renounce this agreement already yesterday. Such actions will cool many European warriors. Yes and negate all these missile defense and other hussars (Lithuanian) ...
  12. pensioner
    pensioner 5 July 2013 07: 58 New
    0
    Missile tests of Russia create confusion in the definition of the ICBM and BRSD - Federation of American Scientists

    You haven't studied the range of other weapons yet ... You will search for Avtobaz throughout Russia ... Order a bus ...
  13. sashka
    sashka 5 July 2013 07: 59 New
    0
    Yes, by the way about rockets. A little off topic http://www.nakanune.ru/news/ fun turns out
  14. treskoed
    treskoed 5 July 2013 08: 16 New
    0
    The defense of the Motherland is sacred, and let them think what they want there!
  15. Bykov.
    Bykov. 5 July 2013 08: 22 New
    +1
    ... ("Aggression of Russia: Putin violates the nuclear missile treaty" ...

    THERE ARE THE TSUKI, THESE AMERICOSES, themselves BREAK THE ALL AGREEMENTS WHEN IT WILL BE REQUIRED BY THEM, EVEN THE SIGNATURES ARE NOT DRIVED! A HERE HARVESTED - PAULS!
    FUCK, ALL THESE AGREEMENTS ARE NOT FAVORABLE FOR US - DO NOT PERFORM!
  16. Horn
    Horn 5 July 2013 08: 39 New
    +3
    "Oddly enough, in the United States, parliamentarians and experts who advocate preserving the INF Treaty are the same people who warn about the dangers of modernizing China's nuclear potential."
    Nothing strange: I really want to take away even knife-forks from a neighbor, and to buy a gun myself ...
  17. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 5 July 2013 08: 54 New
    +2
    SOMETHING TELLS ME: "... this zhzhzhzhzh is not casual," again amers started some dirty trick. Isn't it time to move on to the desert wisdom: “The dog barks, but the caravan moves on.” I think our caravan is on the right track. The security of Russia is the main thing, and the squeals of our “friends-partners” are the background.
  18. Kovrovsky
    Kovrovsky 5 July 2013 09: 01 New
    +2
    Quote: Basileus
    Tomahawk - not a ballistic missile, he can)

    But very winged!
  19. ed65b
    ed65b 5 July 2013 09: 06 New
    +3
    Our management statement regarding the INF Treaty has been made. Come out soon. it would be nice. fasten many with this step.
  20. fzr1000
    fzr1000 5 July 2013 09: 19 New
    +3
    Who e .... t that I experience on my territory? America, went to the opu or offer your territory for testing?
    1. stroporez
      stroporez 5 July 2013 09: 48 New
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      Yes sir. this is ------ OUR house, and all the imported "feng shui" should never shake us. where we want -------- there is a sofa and put. and all the advisers ---- nah.
  21. FunkschNNX
    FunkschNNX 5 July 2013 09: 26 New
    +3
    So what if the missile hit the target only half its maximum range? If the machine gun shoot at close range, will it become a melee weapon from this?
  22. Muxauk
    Muxauk 5 July 2013 09: 57 New
    +3
    not just withdraw from the contract, but also review the results of perestroika and the board of the humpbacked
    good morning:)
  23. e-froloff
    e-froloff 5 July 2013 10: 07 New
    +1
    Let them write anything there! Let them be afraid and respect! We must protect ourselves and we will do it! Fuck on their opinion!
  24. Starover_Z
    Starover_Z 5 July 2013 10: 15 New
    +1
    Missile tests of Russia create confusion in the definition of the ICBM and BRSD - Federation of American Scientists

    But in order to reduce armament, let them destroy their sea and air-based cruise missiles, or do not approach them closer to the territory of Russia closer than 5000 km, then we can talk about reductions.
  25. Straus_zloy
    Straus_zloy 5 July 2013 10: 23 New
    0
    They twitched with a point of knot, allocated lubricant
  26. dimon-media
    dimon-media 5 July 2013 10: 51 New
    +2
    Here it is, we need all of these START, INF Treaty? We will not be tempting, we must admit that we do not have a more weighty argument (to deter aggression against Western countries) than our Strategic Rocket Forces. We cannot do nichrome without nuclear weapons, in case of aggression of the entire NATO bloc against us. We will not take them with conventional weapons. The Strategic Rocket Forces is our only outpost that keeps the adversary humble beyond our borders. To disarm your nuclear arsenal is the same as to cut the branch on which you sit. I honestly can not understand our leadership, which signs such agreements. With nuclear weapons, we have parity with the West, and they are well aware that if something happens, they will get it. Let it be for us, but it will be retribution that warms the soul. And without nuclear weapons we have nothing to catch when we are surrounded by NATO bases along the entire perimeter of the borders. It is a pity that our Tops do not want to understand it.
    1. Nitup
      Nitup 5 July 2013 14: 12 New
      +2
      Quote: dimon-media
      It is a pity that our Tops do not want to understand it.

      And what, someone agreed to further reduce nuclear weapons or what?
  27. Vtel
    Vtel 5 July 2013 10: 53 New
    +3
    Colonel-General Vladimir Zarudnitsky announced that "the armed forces of the Russian Federation have completed a promising test launch of the high-precision ICBM" Rubezh "

    This is the song! We went to the "Frontier" and the enemy trembled, babbled and it pleases, so we are going in the right direction. Keep it up!
  28. Windbreak
    Windbreak 5 July 2013 11: 02 New
    0
    It quotes the words “one official” that a missile test is a violation of this treaty and that “two US intelligence officers believe that the Yars-M is not an ICBM, but a medium-range missile”
    This is something of the level of "Izvestia"
  29. Russ69
    Russ69 5 July 2013 11: 04 New
    +2
    At the parade in Belarus, they showed a new chassis, like just for the "Rubezh"

    a new type of chassis MZKT-79291 with the overall layout of the missile system. This type of chassis is shorter than the standard MZKT-79221, which the Russian side uses as autonomous launchers for missile systems.
    Presumably, the chassis was created to equip the promising Russian strategic missile system "Rubezh". The six-wheeled chassis of the APU "Rubezh" against the eight-wheeled chassis of the APU "Yars" also confirms all previously published assumptions about the classification of the "Rubezh" as an intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM), but its actual purpose as an intermediate-range ballistic missile (MRBM).

    http://www.military-informant.com/index.php/army/3238-1.html#.UdZ8v9v6RmM
    1. Gecko
      Gecko 5 July 2013 22: 56 New
      +1
      Most likely, as promised, for the land version of the Mace.
      The carrying capacity of this 6-axle MZKT-79291 chassis is about 55 tons, the weight of the Bulava rocket is 36,8 tons, and the length of the launch container is 12,1 m. Maximum missile range 8000 km
  30. pa_nik
    pa_nik 5 July 2013 11: 11 New
    +1
    "Russian missile tests create confusion in the definition of ICBMs and MRBMs" - Federation of American Scientists.

    Concern is understandable laughing
  31. pa_nik
    pa_nik 5 July 2013 11: 17 New
    0
    Quote: nikolas 83
    Nuclear arsenal is not. This is our last defense against attacks by the US and China.


    And the people being turned into partisans "if that"!?!? So Napoleon and Hitler did not take into account laughing Destroy the Russian Army and all. Victory. But no !! stop There is another opinion. Our opinion. am
  32. buga1979
    buga1979 5 July 2013 11: 28 New
    0
    Quote: Vanek
    The agreement prohibits the creation and deployment of ballistic and cruise missiles with a launch range of 500 to 5500 km

    And what about the "Tomahawk" (or whatever it is)? With a range of 2500 km.

    Hello to everyone. hi

    tomahawk cruise missile is another diocese
  33. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 5 July 2013 12: 01 New
    0
    yes in their mouth sweaty feet
  34. deman73
    deman73 5 July 2013 12: 57 New
    +2
    Let amers get confused in definitions, the main thing is that we don’t get confused good
  35. pilot-mk
    pilot-mk 5 July 2013 13: 43 New
    +3
    Americans are building a missile defense system, and we are preparing to withdraw from the INF Treaty (signed by the traitor of the Motherland Gorbachev)
    ..... Following Putin, a similar position was expressed by the head of the Presidential Administration of the Russian Federation Sergei Ivanov, who said: "Why is it possible for everyone, anyone, to have this class of weapon, but we and the United States cannot? A natural question arises, on the one hand, we signed an agreement Soviet-American. We are fulfilling, but this cannot continue indefinitely. "
    1. fisherman
      fisherman 5 July 2013 14: 55 New
      0
      but it cannot go on like this indefinitely. "


      attempt at writing :)
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  40. Shkodnick
    Shkodnick 5 July 2013 14: 50 New
    0

    here it seems like positive changes ...
  41. SPACE
    SPACE 5 July 2013 21: 42 New
    +2
    There will be no flight, Europe can sleep "peacefully". wassat
  42. Tolik.Skiff.
    Tolik.Skiff. 13 July 2013 00: 06 New
    0
    Why not call the new class of missiles "Kuzkina's mother" (in honor of Nikita Sergeevich) and decorate it with an ear of corn ?! By the way, it is very important for Geyevropa ... Cool PR! And the resident of Evil's president will remind him of its roots !!! laughing laughing laughing
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