Putin and Forts. As the namesake about the reform of Russian science in different languages ​​spoke

Nothing in our country is carried out as quickly as a dubious reform. Slowly harnessed, fast going? .. Our Government really harnessed - not God knows, but now literally broke the chain (hmm ... is our Government chained? - although who knows who knows ...)

Another clearly ill-conceived reform emerged in the sphere of Russian science. This is against the background of the fact that the mechanism of the “reformed” (according to the letter of the new law) education has not yet been launched. Scientific reform, as has already been reported on the Military Review website, concerns the fact that the RAS will lose control over several academies of sciences that will be under the jurisdiction of a certain agency, and the RAS itself will be spared from managing its own property. The next “effective manager” will come, who will “help” the scientists ...

At the same time, the motives for the reform are approximately the following: our hearts (members of the Government) literally bleed at the sight of how our scientists have to do business, which takes them a lot of time from scientific research. Like, dear comrades scientists, so that you can work better and more productively in the scientific field, we will carry out optimization, tested by past reforms, and put the burden of responsibility for all scientific property on our fragile bureaucratic shoulders ... Scientists themselves translate this tirade into accessible language as follows: you hear , scientists! Something too divorced you, you are sitting on multi-billion-dollar property, do not share property with us (officials). And if so, we will halve your composition, we will lower the RAS under the bureaucratic apparatus, we will destroy the property following the example of the notorious Oboronservis, and after that - work yourself with God - after all, there will be no problems with the economy, because neither will there be (infernal laughter coming from outside the walls of the Ministry of Education and Science follows).

5 July The State Duma is going to consider a bill on the reform of the Russian Academy of Sciences. The most surprising thing is that even the Ministry of Education and Science, headed by Livanov, refuses to recognize the authorship of the bill. This, in particular, is stated by the elected president of the Russian Academy of Sciences, Vladimir Fortov.

Today I was surprised to find that the author does not have a document either. Livanov says that he did not even stand behind the backs of those who wrote the draft, says academician Fortov.

Strange ... Although almost from the very moment I found myself in the chair, the minister stubbornly insisted on the need to urgently reform the scientific system of Russia, building it in the American way and likeness, putting it on business rails. Moreover, Dmitry Livanov and Deputy Prime Minister Olga Golodets, confirming that the reform project is “somewhat unfinished,” continue to insist on its early adoption. At the same time, truly enchanting arguments are cited: until the bill has taken legal force, the scientific community will worry, and after the law enters into force, the same scientific community will cease to worry ...

In this regard, the statements of Livanov about the fact that “this is not me, this is someone else” look unintelligible and look more like a blatant lie.

It should be noted that Academician Fortov (elected president of the Russian Academy of Sciences) has been looking for meetings with President Vladimir Putin recently, wanting to bring to him that the Russian Academy of Sciences itself has plans for reform, and these plans are much more productive for the scientific community than those , news of which came from government offices. Vladimir Fortov achieved a meeting with Putin, but ... This very meeting made some kind of aching impression. Usually, the confident man and Forces, the Forts, looked absolutely depressed and hardly chose words to convince the country's president to decide at least to postpone the consideration of the bill, which most of our valiant lawmakers are ready to support. As they say, we would only have something to vote for, let’s press the necessary buttons ...

Forts went astray, allowed reservations, issued his excitement. He asked the president to give him a year first, then time until November, with the goal that he (the elected president of the Russian Academy of Sciences) would begin his version of transforming the scientific system of Russia. At the same time, President Putin gave the impression of a person who knows ahead of time that there will be reform (in its government version), and that all emotional upheavals of academicians of the RAS on this issue should be excluded. “It’s better to do than not to do it,” President Putin announced, rather than nullifying all the calls from Fortov’s namesake to postpone making a decision on the RAS. Fortov's proposals to give him a chance to carry out that reform of the scientific system, which has been worked out in the expert community of scientists, Putin left no response at all. At least, the journalists did not hear any comments from the presidents of the country. President Putin put the final point, said the word “recount!” In response to the accusations of Vladimir Fortov who concocted the bill in arithmetic illiteracy.

After the meeting of the two names of the presidents (the president of the country with the presidents of the Russian Academy of Sciences) there was a feeling that Fortov was given to understand: Vladimir Yevgenyevich, although we were elected to the presidency, but the president is the only one in the country, and his patronymic is definitely not Yevgenievich ... If it is “better to do,” it means who will do it. If we “recount!”, It means that someone will extract their large bureaucratic calculators from wide pants and start to “recount”. Someone will press the "correct" buttons when voting. And as a result, “effective” managers of the Ogurtsovs, who, denounced by the authorities, will begin to impose “order” in the economic sector of the academy with a clear desire to “manage” by the academic community, will flow into the scientific sphere of Russia. Just give our official! He will quickly indicate on which door one or another academician should enter, and which one to go through, which project to start, which one to cut. Management, tree-stick ... Yes, and eHWeHtivny.

And after this briskly carried out reform in a mode of lightning and victorious war, the appearance of thousands of publications by Russian academics in English-language journals (what Mr. Livanov is dreaming about) seems to be seen as being literally pulled from the place of Skolkovo along with Rosnano ”, how our ships will start something again and plow somewhere, how our scientists one by one will become Nobel laureates. Such a beautiful rainbow dream.
And in reality: it is necessary to save not only the property of the RAS, as it already was with the property of the Ministry of Defense, but also the academicians themselves, many of whom have already stated that they are not going to work under the command of the Ogurtsovs.

PS Education, medicine, police, police, army, Roscosmos and the political system have already been reformed. Why would you put your hands? ..

Comments

[Stefano]

In a word, a mess !!!

[Beibit]

Well then, the president is determined ??? Liberast ???

[Yegorchik]

No matter what, he removed the last adequate minister and replaced Terry liberal Ulyukaev with his faithful companion Gaidar, but it’s especially so that when they hit their bastards all over Russia, he won’t look for them as ministers or ministers.

[Dilshat]

After the articles in the yellow press that Putin had been replaced by something, some doubts arise. It’s time for the Russians to ask the question asked by the Western press at the beginning of 2000. -Who are you Mr. Putin? Although you often heard from young people that pensioners sit in KB and NII until their death receive a huge salary and pension. They take places, they don’t give young people the way. They haven’t come up with anything new for a long time.

[kris]

Reformers are bad!

[Beibit]

They say one thing they do another ... If Syria falls ... i.e. Assad will be removed and politics there will become pro-Western, then Putin is definitely a traitor. all conversations, promises, threats and his statements will not cost anything ... It turns out he said what the people wanted to hear ... but After all, what is not done is much more important than what he did ...

[Per se.]

Interestingly, Putin referred to the government in terms of timing, but isn't he our president? Where they are in such a hurry, everything is very reminiscent of Serdyukov's reforms in the army, now there will be outsourcing for science, and its academic "naval headquarters" will move from the capital somewhere closer to the "sea" ... I would like to be wrong here, but perhaps for the stolen billions and billions more of the damage done to the same defense manager planted?

[ShturmKGB]

I think everything will be normal if Pu is in the know about the events of the academy ...

[valokordin]

ShturmKGB

I think everything will be normal if Pu is in the know about the events of the academy ...

Apparently, the president is the author of the reform of the Academy, but he does not like the sound arguments of the President of the RAS

[w.ebdo.g]

I completely disagree with the author of this article!
the very first indicator that the president is doing the right thing is the cries of condemnation from abroad.
So now, the entire world community (scientific) is screaming its own and our media about what a stupid and hasty project the president has invented! (let them figure it out in their gamerope) Where have you seen this, the president wanted to take state property from a small group of "scientists" ... but how dare he?
these "scientists" are engaged in theft and profit from the works of real smart scientists. Only 44% of the property on the balance sheet of scientists is included in the register ... And where are the remaining 66% ??? And they either no longer exist, or have been sold, or appropriated. Now the president has given a command to audit 100% of the property of scientific institutions.
So they fussed. They began to organize rallies, to remember what good fellows they were, how difficult it was for them to raise science. And before that, everything was OK! only there was no sense at all.
Now "eminent scientists" ours and foreign ones will begin to speak on this matter, attract also those who are simply sincerely mistaken because they are not an economist, but have a real name in the world. Emphasis will be placed on them.
Nobody wants to give away what they already consider their own. There are few such "scientists", but they have been in leading positions for a long time. They are not engaged in science, but personal enrichment. Nothing will happen to science if state property is taken away from these several dozen people.
but they will rally together against the president. Rallies will begin, the media will hoarse yell about the president’s stupidity, home-grown economists will learn how to do the right thing, the yellow press will go crazy altogether))), and all sorts of Navalny and others like him will slurp this topic and try to raise people to rallies ...
hell with two, what you can do! We’ll take away everything state, we will convict thieves and put us in prison! And the media will be forced to answer for every false word. Only the truth, otherwise it is impossible!
I think so.

[Papakiko]

Fortov went astray, made reservations that betrayed his excitement. He asked the president to give him first a year, then time until November with the goal that he (the elected president of the RAS) began to carry out his version of the transformation of the scientific system of. At the same time, President Putin gave the impression of a man who knows ahead of time that there should be a reform (in its governmental version), and that all sincere throwings of the RAS academicians on this issue should be excluded. “Better to do than not to do.”
Fortov de facto agreed that there was a "mess" in the RAS and it was necessary to clean up the "bottom".

Quote: w.ebdo.g

There are few such "scientists", but they have been in leading positions for a long time. They are not engaged in science, but personal enrichment.

They are also officials and do not differ from municipal or state officials. Purely "effective managers".
Mass education (schools for the majority of the country's inhabitants) were ruined.
Gymnasiums for 30 a month rule and "kids" there are officials and wealthy citizens study. Who will move science in the future, the sons or daughters of Fursenkov, Shoigov, Gryzlov, Medvedev, etc.? For them, this did not rest in any place for everyone.

[aviamed90]

w.ebdo.g

Do you consider "shouts of condemnation from abroad" an indicator?

An indicator of what? The correctness or incorrectness of decisions?
And where does the opinion of the West? In general, no one was interested in his opinion. This is our internal affair.

The only indicator and criterion of correctness can be only RESULT! Helpfully helpful. Useful for the country, state and citizens.
But with the results (especially positive), the country's leadership has big problems.

[w.ebdo.g]

yes, I think "shouting and swearing from abroad" is a great indicator that we are doing everything right ...
at least 20 years this indicator does not lie, so why not believe it now?
Thanks for attention.

[ammunition]

Quote: w.ebdo.g

yes, I think "shouting and swearing from abroad" is a great indicator that we are doing everything right ...
at least 20 years this indicator does not lie, so why not believe it now?
Thanks for attention.

Have you tried to think with your head?
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Give at least one screech from Western politicians (and local activists) in defense of Russian science.
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And the fact that honest and dedicated foreign scientists cast votes against ..
This is because they are deprived of competent Russian colleagues. (there aren’t too many good scientists) .. they lose the expected results .. they were counting on .. Well, out of corporate solidarity.
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So (in this case) your logic is "getting in a puddle".
Occasionally .. And from the west you can hear the truth.

[aksakal]

Dear Ammunition! The indicator works, and how! If the west screeched, it means that we are going right! Checked! That you believe in what you want to believe. Do you want to believe that there are enemies around Russia, in the Government - enemies, and the people themselves are the enemies of Russia. Instead of doing great things and saving the world, eating, a bastard, he wants to live more beautifully, he requires order! This is actually called paranoia. I’ll say tougher - I came to this site three years ago, I felt comfortable. Now the site has literally become extreme - around enemies, we urinate everyone! The holy belief that everything was the very thing in the USSR returns the USSR in the Stalinist form and so on. This is extremism, I do not like it. The USSR was not an ideal, I lived and worked in it, yesterday on a branch about the industry of the USSR, evidence that not everything was perfect in the USSR - I picked up only the minuses! Let's turn on the head to get rid of normal, what are you here declaring war on the whole world? You decide for youth how to live! In short, we are driving youth into your favorite dirty, stinking of engine oil workshop, where you can go deaf from the noise after a beep and like this for life, the morlocks are damn! Young people will send you, and they will do it right! And I will join them - you like to spend life in these workshops, according to your opinion, you can see that instead of reading and self-education, you carry iron pieces, and then climb out here and freeze stupid things !!!!

[ammunition]

Dear Aksakal.
You were mistaken about my modest person.
Even I have one, are (long) 3 ( three) fully prepared (theoretically) experiment. We need access to orbit. The station "Mir" is needed, which was drowned. .. The fact is that on the ISS, these experiments are impossible .. For many reasons .. mainly political.
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Secondly - already clearly wrote - No no squeals from the west. There is a correct and reasonable discontent among Western scientists who worked in "bundles" with ours. We worked together. More-less.
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Regarding the "oiled shops" ... When the shops were oiled in our country, there were "oiled" shops in the west.
Time runs. The range of products is changing. And the products themselves. Technology is being improved. Working conditions are also changing.
So don't ... about the "oiled" ones.
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As for the fact that - "enemies all around" .. I will not say that the obvious enemies. I will say - an infection and an abomination.
So .. sooner or later .. But! Will need to install Iron curtain.. primarily informational. But first you need to collect the country so that, as in the USSR, you have everything you need for development at home.
Therefore - science is extremely necessary and important!
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I will not convince you that the proposed "reform" is worthless. Anyway, you don't "make sure" This is a worldview difference .. Here it is - either a physicist-engineer .. or manager-lawyer.

[aksakal]

Quote: ammunition

Remy is coming. The range of products is changing. And the products themselves. Technology is being improved. Working conditions are also changing.
So don't ... about the "oiled" ones.

posted to you below, there Vasilich entered into a dispute for you.

[T-73]

Like this. Everything is simple and unpretentious. Need an orbital station. No more no less. Handsomely. The rest - you can not read, corny

[T-73]

Dear Aksakal! What you consider to be extremism on this resource - there is only a desire to identify the people, to develop an injection, so to speak. Few of us, Russians (not Russians - RUSSIANS), mock on the internet? Every trash tries to teach how to live. With regard to "wet" - we will, we will definitely be, let them ONLY try to bring us their (yours?) Democracy. And what's wrong with oiled workshops? Have you been to the depot? Or in the car park? I am touched by white iPhones in the hands of a locksmith :). And what do you forgive those who live in their small town somewhere in the north and clean the collectors of diesel locomotives? There is no other! And why did you decide that happiness is somewhere far from the same workshop? Needed where was born. And if there is no one left in the workshops - the offices are clean, cool, with air conditioners - no one will fucking need it. Wash yourself, and then "freeze nonsense"

[w.ebdo.g]

I tried to think with my head ...
since you don’t know how to draw conclusions, here is a video with chewed thoughts *

[Komsomolets]

Do you really think that we have been going in the right direction for 20 years?

[sergey261180]

Quote: w.ebdo.g

at least 20 years this indicator does not lie

What kind of schedule is this?

[aksakal]

Quote: sergey261180

What kind of schedule is this?

- It is not entirely clear why W.ebdo.g brought this graph. This is the most common chart of exchange rate fluctuations in the FOREX interbank currency market, the picture does not show what exchange rate it is, whether the pound sterling against the US dollar, or the euro against the US dollar ... It doesn't matter, to summarize, these are just fluctuations of some kind of financial course. It can be shares of some kind of companies, some kind of derivatives or options. The chart is depicted in the so-called "Japanese" candlesticks, which are more informative than charts in other types. Look at the chart - see "red candles" and "green candles"? In short, the day begins - the first price on the auction on this day (the first deal sales and purchases on these days) is either the lower or the upper border of the candle (at the beginning of the trading day it is still unknown). The trading day ends, the last quote forms the second border of the candle. Depending on how the last transaction ended the trading day - higher ( the price for this day has risen) or lower (the price per day has fallen) from the price of the first transaction for this day (time is usually GMT) - the "candlestick" will either turn red (the closing price is lower than the opening price of the trading day, that is, for this day the price fell) or in green (the opening price is lower than the closing price). The tails above and below the candle are extreme deals (price records for that day). The edge of the lower tail is the lowest price for that day, the edge of the upper tail is the very top new price for this day (do not confuse it with the price of the first transaction for this day). So the "Japanese candlestick" is obtained. All other images in the graphic provided by W.ebdo.g are simply accessories of the so-called. "technical analysis". See the straight dark blue line just below the graph? This is the so-called. "support line". That is, the extreme values ​​of trading for a certain period lie exactly on a straight line - and this line becomes a border, if the quote goes down and breaks it (it ends at a reversal on the chart, the chart moved up from the support line and began to reverse) - then the quote will break further like this low that there will not be enough space in agriculture (I exaggerate). The rest of the things on the chart - the green and red lines, the line with arrows at the bottom - these are all sorts of mathematically averaged values ​​of quotes, in short, also to help "technical analysis". The main purpose of technical analysis is to predict where the course will move, and depending on this, play either for a fall (become a "bear", according to the slang of American spuclants, or, according to politically correct, brokers) or up (become a bull, in the same slang) and, if possible, profit from exchange rate fluctuations.
In short, I explained, I proved that I’m not so narrow-minded as those who argue with me here, but there are enough pluses, and then draw your own conclusions. I made my conclusions - I hate narrow-minded, but at the same time categorical and throaty, and about my narrow-mindedness people who are also convinced that they are right. Ammunition, I remember it. I’m not vindictive, if anything, I’m just angry and I have a good memory. Before you enter into an argument with me, you need to read a lot and know a lot, he dared to do otherwise, just with his throat and just populist things (like the urine of those who are at least somewhat against Russia and the Russians) to argue - okay, let's see.

[Vasilić]

in fact, it’s invisible that it’s a daylight candle or a monthly or even 10 minute candlestick ... you can choose many variations ... you can even look at the changes without candles
..for what only you decided to paint all this - almost incomprehensibly)
although this is only because of my narrow-mindedness it is not clear ...

[sergey261180]

Quote: sergey261180
What kind of schedule is this?

- It is not entirely clear why W.ebdo.g brought this schedule. This is the most common chart of fluctuations in exchange rates on the interbank currency market FOREX

As I understand it, this is a post from the category: "There is no time to explain, stick a cucumber in your ass!" In short, for complete idiots who never read or delve into, I put up a picture with the caption "Putin is right, scientifically proven." By the way, ministers from the government use the same technique. For example, Zurabov also argued for the pension reform. Or they also entered the WTO. Feels like a school of crooks and thieves however.

[SASCHAmIXEEW]

Not a mess, but the systematic collapse of everything that we have significant and valuable, but makes the Jewish-Zionist government headed by the "main Zionist" Mendel !!!

[Yarosvet]

Quote: SASCHAmIXEEW

led by the "main Zionist" Mendel !!!

Part 3 of Article 80 and paragraphs a), e) of Article 83 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation.

[krasin]

Strange ... Although almost from the very moment I found myself in the chair, the minister stubbornly insisted on the need to urgently reform the scientific system of Russia, building it in the American way and likeness, putting it on business rails. Moreover, Dmitry Livanov and Deputy Prime Minister Olga Golodets, confirming that the reform project is “somewhat unfinished,” continue to insist on its early adoption. At the same time, truly enchanting arguments are cited: until the bill has taken legal force, the scientific community will worry, and after the law enters into force, the same scientific community will cease to worry ...

In this regard, the statements of Livanov about the fact that “this is not me, this is someone else” look unintelligible and look more like a blatant lie.

There is no sponsor of the draft reform; nobody wants to admit it. The State Department again lowered the reform in a mess!

The Russian Academy of Sciences itself has reform plans, moreover, these plans are much more productive for the scientific community than those about which news came from government offices.

In principle, -in the mind, create a commission with representatives of the RAS, -and go wrong, because. RAS is ready for reform. But all requests must be "sucked" together. We do not need - "as always" - good already.

[mole]

Not a mess!
Share the dough!
Sadly, in this innuendo of "RosNano", no one, like no other academicians, is asked. I hope that ACADEMICS are much smarter than ordinary people. They are able to calculate for several years ahead. Let them offer, but only THEIR meiniya is not heard. Most of the population believes the REAL intellectual elite of the country! ACADEMICIANS and businessmen themselves must understand one simple thing, those who have not contributed to the strengthening of the State should not be able to express their opinion on any TV channel or Radio Russia. Nobody seems to encroach on freedom of speech! Everything seems to be within the framework of political correctness. Although a revolution is outlined here too !? "Orange" Do not pass!

[afire]

there is definitely something wrong with this issue, if the President told Fortov it is necessary, then the correct course of events is already in Putin’s head, and Fortov does not understand this. I think that by allowing Livanov to carry out this reform, Putin is trying to catch him in a jamb and throw him out under a certain pretext and for the cause, and only then Fortov will do everything in a calm atmosphere and he will have a full carte blanche. probably....

[Kite]

Quote: Stefano

In a word, a mess !!!

yes mess! Moreover, this applies to the Russian Academy of Sciences to a greater extent, they have been talking about the need for reforms for a long time, but are in no hurry to do it. It is good that besides the RAS there are other scientific organizations, there is something to compare with. There are federal research centers, for example: VNIIEF, VNIITF, there is university and departmental science. There is no need to mourn Russian science (not all of it is in the RAS), it is necessary to compare where things are going more successfully, to draw conclusions about what to do with the RAS.

[Ruslan67]

Now they sort of sorted out the MO on the RAS line. It reminds me of administrative delight.

[Furnace driver]

Quote: Ruslan67

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Ruslan67 (3) RU Today, 08:35 AM New

Now they sort of sorted it out with the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Academy of Sciences It reminds me of administrative delight -And what else would we reform into the trash what fool

what’s what, Rogozin won’s going to reform Roscosmos - he transfers all FSUEs to JSC ...
and, in general, recent actions by Putin and Co. to privatize Roscosmos, the defense industry; the destruction of the RAS, the pursuit of education will only intensify popular protest. Now I’m afraid that many will be ready to go out and start wetting this presumptuous elite, in spite of its impressive protection - to wet, soak ... in the toilet, even snipers, the number of which is increased to combat street riots, will not help.

[Vadivak]

Quote: ....

Another clearly ill-conceived reform emerged in the field of Russian science.

Very well thought out according to the worked out scheme, reform, scandal, investigation, amnesty

[Mr. Gambu4aS]

Hmm, and with all this mess we are still climbing into all sorts of Syria, we would have to put things in order at home, so there is no country's leadership fills its voices on foreign policy, while "sawing" everything that is still untouched by the liberals inside the country, with this approach sometimes I want to say - burn everything with a blue flame!

[vadimN]

And note - the scheme for all the "reforms" is the same:
- the creation of new management structures;
- revision of property;

In simple words: spawn officials and give them something to steal.
These limited individuals cannot even come up with anything more original.

[Karlsonn]

Quote: Vadivak

Very well thought out according to the worked out scheme, reform, scandal, investigation, amnesty

[ole]

Education, medicine, police-police, the army, Roscosmos and the political system have already been reformed. Why should I put my hands on? .. Campaign hands are not growing from that place, but it's a pity.

[Mikado]

It is high time to "reform" the very top.

[Vadivak]

Quote: Mikado

It is high time to "reform" the very top.

Chop off his tail. Right to the neck

[RussianRu]

Format Liberalists. And start with the NANO Reformer and his deputies, and like-minded people. Maybe after that, then reforms will benefit Russia.

[AVV]

Livanov and his close circle, there will be no need to format and reformat and then reformat !!!

[liteha]

Aksakal is right about the campaign - more and more extremists on the site - has the owner changed or is the main sponsor?

[aksakal]

Quote: liteha

Aksakal is right about the campaign - more and more extremists on the site - has the owner changed or is the main sponsor?

- here's how to make such harsh conclusions on the basis of this one-sided publication from Volodin? No one makes an attempt to understand the essence of what is happening, but they already condemn and urge to chop!
So far I have noted that somehow there have been many such hasty "chopping", and there are few of those who would post that there is little information, I will get it, understand, think, compare, listen to other smart people, and not just this Volodin, who it is not known who he is and what he is, then I will print my IMHO. This is generally done by adequate people. And here they are already chopping, calling to the barricades and distributing minuses with might and main. What is happening?

[Airman]

Judging by what was shown on TV, they entered Putin's office with their opinion, and left with Putin's opinion, except Fortov, who remained unconvinced. Mattress makers really do not like our successes in the military field, so they decided to slow down our scientists. Billions are allocated to science, and someone really needs them, but it is impossible to take them quietly. Another "cut"

[Net]

It seems that the reform is carried out only in order to stop the misuse of state real estate in the jurisdiction of the RAS. Why then talk about a low citation index and the number of publications of scientific articles? Leaving aside claims so far why elite housing is being sold on the lands of the Russian Academy of Sciences, academics must explain why, with an increased level of funding, the number of publications only drops.

[riding]

Fortov was worried, because he understood that in the current government there are people who know perfectly well what they want and what they want - they won’t miss. Strange gestures of power are depressing: against the background of patriotic, anti-liberal statements, even we are taking a strictly liberal course, we are turning from a social state into a state of universal desire to consume, we are not planting Serdyukov, because they know at the top what merits a thief should live happily.

[KazaK Bo]

Quote: koni

Fortov was worried, because he understood that in the current government there are people who know perfectly well what they want and what they want - they won’t miss.

Absolutely right! These people in the government knew what they were doing when they proposed reform of the RAS. Yesterday, the Minister of Finance bluntly said ... the economy is falling ... there is not enough money ... you need to scrape somewhere more than a trillion .... privatization urgently needs to be launched ... it will give about a trillion ... and the rest is covered by the National Welfare Fund. .. This was said after the GDP, having met with fierce resistance from the public ... scientists, postponed the final decision of the DUMA for the RAS in the fall ... That is, the sale of real estate of the RAS breaks down in the government-panic. What this means - only one thing - the government of the reformers, for the sake of the reformation, young, but illiterate and without experience, ideas, completely overwhelmed the economy ... there are no incomes ... even taxes are not good ... Now the question arose where to get the money ... found a way out - REAL ESTATE OF SCIENTISTS, SCIENCES!
Indeed, they reformed so much ... especially in the army, police, police, so they privatized and reformed the economy according to the liberal rules of GAIDAR-YASIN-CHUBAYS-MEDVEDEV that it remained to sell off the latter. I have no words! Only emotions!

[fzr1000]

RAS President Vladimir Fortov told RBC daily correspondent IRINA YUZBEKOVA about why it is impossible to cancel the title of corresponding member and what led to plagiarism in theses.

- Is a reform of the RAS necessary and what should become its main goal?

“She is necessary.” The main goal is to improve the conditions for scientists and the quality of scientific work. This is what we set ourselves. We have accumulated quite a few problems, new challenges arise, there is the initiative of the president and his political will to reform our economy, make it modern, get rid of raw material dependence and much more. To do this, the Academy of Sciences must become more dynamic, more modern, active in all respects.

- A government reform project has the same goals?

- It’s hard for me to answer meaningfully, because I still can’t find out in any way who the author of the government version is. Every business, as Academician Julius Khariton taught us, must have a surname, name, patronymic. I was surprised to learn that, it turns out, the Ministry of Science and Dmitry Livanov are not related to this project. Therefore, I would very much like to look at its author and ask him the same question that you are asking me.

- What threatens the abolition of the title of Corresponding Member of the Russian Academy of Sciences and the automatic assignment of the title of academicians to all member-correspondents?

- The devaluation of this title. We will have a lot of academics who did not get the title for their work, but as a result of a certain law. Nobody chose them, no one evaluated their scientific level, no one made an analysis of their scientific and other merits. And suddenly, with a stroke of the pen, people began to possess a high rank. I don’t understand why to do this, I want to look at the author of this project.

- Now Russian science is based on a system of dedicated research institutes. American relies on a system of universities. What can happen if Russia starts to implement the American model, and how does this threaten the RAS?

- Nothing good will come of it, although it does not threaten the RAS, because we are not afraid of competition. Winning them is not a question for us. But in order to switch to the American model, one must first become as rich as the Americans.

[fzr1000]

- Do you think that the level of Russian science can still compete with the American?

- Of course. This shows an objective comparison. We have areas in which we stand very firmly on our feet. Physics is very highly developed, space science ... At the beginning of the zero years there was an attempt to discredit science and scientists. Today, this topic is starting to sound with us again.

- Is it connected with plagiarism in dissertations?

- No, with dissertations a natural thing turned out. Previously, there was a system of defense and control over dissertations, it was taken and broken. And now we wonder why there were fake dissertations. Yes, they could not appear!

- How effective is the Soviet model of the academy?

- It was effective in that it was adequately funded, it clearly expressed the democratic systems of organization of scientific work - freedom of creativity, competitiveness and much more, which is the basis for the development of basic research around the world. Refusing this model would be criminal, although I know many people who want just that. Criticism of this model began earlier, and now it is being abandoned.

- Have there been such large-scale reforms in the history of the RAS in previous centuries?

- No, it was not. There were attempts to destroy the RAS when Trofim Lysenko soloed on stage, there were attempts to discredit and destroy genetics and cybernetics, and many more shameful pages from which the academy always came out with honor.

- How do you assess the introduction of the state body for managing the Academy’s property and financial flows?

- I have an alternative point of view. I am not against state control, we have created controlling organizations, and I am surprised that this issue is on the agenda. If there are complaints, come and check, and if you find a violation - punish. But to transfer this to science, which is a completely different field of human activity, is very short-sighted, even primitive.

- How can the Proton-M catastrophe affect the fate of the academy?

- This is not an indicator of the functioning of the RAS, because the accident happened at the first stage, which was developed and flies a very long time ago. The Academy of Sciences took part in the development, as in all space construction, but this is not connected with the work of the Academy of Sciences in any way.

[aksakal]

Quote: fzr1000

I have an alternative point of view. I am not against state control, we have created controlling organizations, and I am surprised that this issue is on the agenda. If there are complaints, come and check, and if you find a violation - punish. But to transfer this to science, which is a completely different field of human activity, is very short-sighted, even primitive.

- here is a balanced and adequate post of the brow! Reforms are needed, but what kind of reforms are these? Let’s discuss and think here!
But the SABZh itself and the posts against which I began to protest - complete crap! "Everywhere enemies and cut, forward to the barricades and urge them!" - and not a word about the deed or the essence of these reforms! Why are there so many riffraffs on the site in alcoholic T-shirts?

[fzr1000]

The opinion of Andrei Geim, a Nobel laureate, an interview with him I recently published here.

“This situation excites everyone. And this is not about the fate of academics, but about the fate of Russian science. I am not worried about the academicians, their work will only come closer to Western standards. I was expecting some kind of similar decision soon - after all, the reorganization of the RAS was long overdue. What bothers me most is this new agency (Property Management Agency, RAS). It will play a key role in the fate of Russian science, but we have not received any details about it.

I expected Livanov and Medvedev to be smarter.

The first thing they had to do was to attract ordinary scientists to their side. This is a big, big political mistake! This law will push away even ardent supporters of the reform of the Russian Academy of Sciences and transfer them directly to the camp of the "old guard".

If I could give advice to Medvedev and Livanov, I would offer two things. Firstly, this agency should be led by people familiar with research activities. And secondly, a gradual but significant increase in the funding of science over the next decade is needed. These two conditions will have to be fulfilled anyway, otherwise forget about becoming a developed country! And this is not even mentioned now.

There are many talented managers at the institutes of the Russian Academy of Sciences. Livanov himself can be an example of those who could stand at the helm of a new agency. Just give good scientists the opportunity to do good science, and good managers to help them. But do not let the cart in front of the horse. I still hope that the new bill serves a good purpose, but it’s done very poorly. I would rather wait for the situation to develop before despairing until we get all the information. Political appointees simply cannot manage science - everywhere in the West it is a self-organizing and self-governing system. ”

Despite the scream among academicians, I do not plan and cannot leave my post (Honorary Chairman of the Public Council under the Ministry of Education and Science).

The reform of the RAS has just begun. It began with what it should have been, with the reform of the power of academics. I have already said many times that the academy should become an elite club of scientists, and not a club of leaders with academic degrees. Livanov’s bill is designed to solve this problem. Be that as it may, bombing the RAS does not mean saving Russian science. The completion of its reform at this first stage will be a disaster for Russia. We need to wait for new steps by the government. The most urgent and difficult step is the organization of this agency to manage institutions. And this is where Livanov can break firewood or prove himself.

I believe that the Max Planck Society in Germany can be a good model for these reforms.

I am familiar with the work of his system quite well, almost becoming the director of one of the institutes several years ago. This model is very different from the work of the RAS, despite the legends spread out by some academics that the RAS is very reminiscent of the Max Planck Society. ”

[SASCHAmIXEEW]

Each institution has a deputy. for households, That's the whole tale of mendel ...

[fzr1000]

Michael Atiyah, mathematician, winner of the Fields Prize (1966) and Abel Prize (2004), President of the Royal Scientific Society (2000-2005)

“I hear with some concern about proposals for the future of the Russian Academy of Sciences. It is possible that there are some reasonable reasons behind this, but to me they are completely, if any, not visible. For centuries and political events in Russian history, mathematicians continued to work, and the Academy of Sciences maintained independence.

It would be a tragedy for Russia and for the rest of the world if this great historical tradition came to an end. ”

Pierre Deligne, mathematician, winner of the Fields Prize (1978), Abel Prize (2013)

“I was saddened by the news of the planned destruction of the Russian Academy of Sciences, produced without contact with the scientific community. Even if it had some kind of good intentions, it would lead to disastrous consequences for the already difficult and difficult situation with science in Russia. I can only guess about the goals that the government would like to achieve here. ”

Carlo Doloni, President of the Italian Geological Society

“In my memory, such a treatment with the academies of sciences was only once, in Italy, during the time of Mussolini, when he closed the academy.

After the war, it was restored. Our Russian colleagues have an outstanding scientific reputation. Their election to the RAS is held according to the highest standards of such procedures. We in Italy have great respect for the scientific community of Russia, and for the sake of the well-being of your great nation, I firmly support the deep concern of the members of the Russian Academy of Sciences and hope that you can stop the elimination of one of the largest communities of scientists. "

[fzr1000]

European Association for Theoretical Informatics (President Luca Aseto)

“Our colleagues from the Russian Academy of Sciences informed us that last Thursday the Russian government unexpectedly approved the bill on the liquidation of the Academy of Sciences (formed in 1724) and that it could be urgently adopted this week. Moreover, we were told that this project was proposed without any participation of two councils (science council and public council) created by the Ministry of Education and Science specifically for consultations with the scientific community. We do not want to go into the details of this plan, but we express serious concern about its adoption.

Since its foundation, the Russian Academy of Sciences has remained one of the leading research organizations in the world and a subject of special pride for Russia. We emphasize that changes in the structure and leadership of such a well-deserved and productive scientific organization, even when they look so necessary, must be carried out with the utmost care and full involvement of the scientific community, and not through decisions made in a hurry by parliament.

Advanced science is done by scientists, and for the normal operation of any scientific organization, it is important that scientists participate in its management.

All this is important as nothing else for an organization as important and worthy as the Russian Academy of Sciences.

We sincerely hope that the Russian government will recognize the importance of the Russian Academy of Sciences for the country and its future and will review plans for their accelerated adoption, which could have very negative consequences for Russian science. We hope that this inconsiderate lawmaking will not destroy the scientific environment built up for centuries by Russian scientists. ”

[fzr1000]

Message from a group of leading scientists working in Russia, to Vladimir Putin and the State Duma

“Dear Mr. President, dear gentlemen, deputies,
We, the undersigned foreign scientists and compatriot scientists working in Russia, clearly see the need for a thoughtful and profound reform of Russian science. However, the proposed reform of the Russian Academy of Sciences and other academies raises deepest concerns for the future not only of the academy itself with an almost 300-year history, but also of the entire system of academic institutes and laboratories, and especially about the future of young scientists working in this system. Despite the overdue reform, the Russian Academy of Sciences remains the main scientific institution in Russia. Among all Russian scientists with a citation index of more than 1000, two-thirds work in the institutes of the current RAS, and more than 400 of these scientists are its members.

The haste of the proposed law and the lack of open discussion of it are extremely alarming, since it can lead to a new destructive blow to science in Russia.

We urge you
1) suspend the planned reform;
2) provide time for discussion of the reform with the participation of the government and the reformed academies;
3) carry out a comprehensive, thoughtful and transparent reform within 12-18 months - a reform that will receive the support of the Russian and international scientific community and ensure the productive work of the Russian Academy of Sciences and its institutes.
We also propose the creation of an independent advisory council from among respected scientists and representatives of the scientific communities, which could provide advisory assistance in the process of preparing and implementing the reform.

Газета.ру

[dmb]

Dear foreign scientists and compatriots. What are you talking about some reforms there? Who told you. that something and someone will reform. It was clearly explained to you fools that the guys are unhappy with how much land and buildings you have for the construction of new banks, offices and cottage villages, and they are not all attached yet. And therefore do not yell, take your pieces of paper with formulas, and do not paw any synchrophasotrons there. They say gold contacts, but copper wire is now also in price. Hello, forever your Guarantor Vova.

[Z.A.M.]

"At the same time, President Putin gave the impression of a man, who knows in advancethat there will be a reform (in its governmental version), and that all the emotional throwings of RAS academicians on this issue should be excluded. " This is a quote from the article.
And I think it determines both the present and the past attitude of Putin towards "somehow"to the emotional throwings (as it is precisely said!) of the entire Russian people, in all spheres:" PS Education, medicine, police-police, army, "Roscosmos" and the political system have already been reformed. What to put your hands on? .. "

We can arbitrarily, and discuss anything, argue, disagree ... there is something right Balabolte you (we) what you want, let off steam ...
And in real life, hearing the phrase: "Public opinion will be against", another bureaucrat, copying Putin's contemptuous, haughty half-smile, slowly, slowly, bows his head and lets out greasy saliva from his mouth, and then rub it on the floor with his foot. Slowly ...
I see this attitude towards the people and their aspirations.

PS Today will be the second reading in the state fool. Is it not true, the speed of adoption of CERTAIN bills is amazing ... (The recent amnesty law, all three readings - passed in one day!) If not for the "holidays" gosdurdomovtsev, I think in a week or two would have accepted this one.
Although, maybe there is a reason in the postponement - by the fall a lot of water will flow away, a lot will settle down, other problems will appear. Or us, i.e. public opinion, intentionally distracting with something ...
Oh yes, I forgot. After all, I already suggested WHAT such a public opinion.

[papss]

At the same time, President Putin gave the impression of a man who knows ahead of time that there should be a reform (in its governmental version), and that all sincere throwings of the RAS academicians on this issue should be excluded.

but how could it be otherwise ... he knows everything and everything through him and after contacts with him ... passes ...

Today will be the second reading in the State Duma.

, we’ll see everything will pass, it will be okay and the law will be adopted ... And by the way, the moment showed that only the Communist Party of the Russian Federation is the real opposition ... It was interesting to look at Zhirinovsky, told on the air how Livanov came and campaigned for the adoption of the bill, and then refused his authorship. And at the same time ... struck out - the bill will be passed... everything is decided by everyone ...

[ed65b]

And in reality: it is necessary to save not only the property of the RAS, as it already was with the property of the Ministry of Defense, but also the academicians themselves, many of whom have already stated that they are not going to work under the command of the Ogurtsovs.

I am afraid that the Property of the RAS has already been divided, the money has been distributed, the academicians have been replaced. The patient is more likely dead than alive. thus ended the era of the Russian-Soviet-Russian RAS.

[Asgard]

Patriot Putin, acts like a national "leader" ...derbanite Russia))))).
Not a single state program yielded any results (not a single one))))
The law on the state reserve is written by no one knows where the countries are listed in Russian, but not alphabetically, but in Latin (stupid translation))) stupidly signed by the patriotic president .....
... they say the money is best stored in the Fed, in the USA, with our ENEMIES ..... and as he said - "we did not earn them" (quote from Putin)))
Agriculture, even under WTO law, could have received support of $ 9 billion this year, received somewhere -0,8 billion ......
Education (the best in the world)) was so reformed that only de.bill didn’t laugh .... though there are less and less laughs, but de..bil))))))
A bridge to nowhere (to Russky Island))) for 200 cars a day and enough money has been spent for construction throughout the country (in each settlement there are FAPs, feldsher points))
And we have reduced the hospital, we recently closed THREE ,,,,, across the country the same thing))
And so in everything .....

Fortov was elected a year ago, and he walks I.O. since not approved by presidential decree ....

What is this telling us ... understanding?
Laws are written for the country somewhere on the side, since the personalities shown on TV (including "himself") are not capable of anything ...
just sign ..... without reading, bringing to PEOPLE only opinion those who REALLY GOVERNS THE GOVERNMENT OF RUSSIA)))
and those de.bilov that are shown on the telly, they even reasonably cannot formulate their opinions ... (they will be wasted)))

No, not People are in power ... JUDAH.
Although some will say that this is a "special case")))) not typical for the country's top leadership)))
remember the amnesty for economic crimes)))) In the zones they call her Taburetkina-skoshuha))))

All for the good of our Motherland)) of its individual citizens))) at the expense of our lives ....

[Z.A.M.]

Quote: Asgard

No, not People are in power ... JUDAH.

I completely agree with the comment, and this phrase in particular.
I can only add that these JUDAS make all their decisions, no - SOUND - with contemptuously arrogant half-smiles. Like Putin.
It even seems to me that it is FUN every time for him to observe people, such as Forts, Roshal ... When he listens to them, he probably thinks: "Well, you have to be so frankly naive. Like children."

Quote: Asgard

And so in everything .....

[vadimN]

Someone recently on this site wrote a remark about Putin, something like "let's see how he will react to the popular outrage with another" reform "...

Well, have you looked? Does anyone else have any illusions about a good king and bad boyars? Medvedev, Livanov and others - only voice what Putin has long known and does! He is the main protector of Russia!

[Yegorchik]

Well done, I subscribe to every word it’s all true, but the media stubbornly builds an image of a knee-lifter that Putin pulled on himself. And to many people it’s impressive that they say what a young man’s cone is. American banks are pumping money from Russian oil, but we don’t see us whether there is an economic sterilization policy. We better take the same money at interest, beautifully calling it foreign investment.

[liteha]

Asgard and those 21 who plus his post - you have only a part of the information, the rest, what you did not see or prefer not to see and not to voice, is on efedorov.ru.
And as is commonly believed, part of the truth is already a lie.

[xzWhiteWolf]

Does it make sense to say that reform is bad or good? Any reform carries both good and bad. The bad can be adjusted on the road. And without reform, they will stand still. Why is this done? Most likely, for scientists to raise salaries and so on, what will entail? We find out.
A dialogue between the state and scientists shows that they need them and they want to work with them.

[Stalin]

I have ceased to understand the latest actions of Putin! What does he want a second Egypt here? Or does he think that the people will endlessly endure this bullying? I tried to scroll through various options in my head, because if a decision is made so hastily, then someone is vitally interested in this. But who? Let's say that Putin is a patriot, but what does he want to "fuck", carrying out this reform, so that there is only only benefit for Russia. Having turned around the question, I still could not find an answer. Can someone explain? After all, the majority believed Putin after the 2012 elections, including me, but now I am already beginning to doubt very much. I really want to believe in Putin, but his recent actions make this faith negligible.

[Z.A.M.]

Quote: Stalin

After all, the majority believed Putin after the 2012 elections, including

These are not evil smiles - I just laugh. I believed back in the 2000th.

Quote: Stalin

but now I'm starting to doubt very much

Do you begin to ripen? I began to doubt, in 2003.

Quote: Stalin

but his last actions make this faith negligible.

And here I have - neither FAITH nor TRUST for him, have been around for five years now.

Quote: Stalin

Turning the question, I still could not find the answer

Turn the question on the WTO, on its migrant policy, on its "struggle" with corruption. this is for a start. Look, just don’t break your head. Questions are not logically resolved. Just see who benefits from it.
Another tip. Comments Asgard read. It is very logical, concise, competent and with real facts, HIS deeds. "According to his deeds, judge him."

[gleb49]

And if you retire ineffective academics. Maybe they will be replaced by young promising scientists. Maybe the brain drain will stop. The RAS itself will never go for reform.

[Gray-haired Siberian]

I did not expect this from the GDP. Surely the bear could have influenced so much. Although, probably, the president has more information than ours.

[kris]

Quote: Gray-haired Siberian

I did not expect this from the GDP. Surely the bear was able to influence so much.

Do you still believe in a fairy tale about a good put and a bad bear ?!

[sashka]

Sasha RU June 18, 2013 18:57 | Syrian trap
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..Yes, where did you get the idea that Pu was at least someone or something? There is no one to call .. BbP. Oddly enough, the Bear rules. God save Russia ..
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[baltika-18]

Quote: Sasha

-I pulled out my koment over the past month. And what is wrong?

Right of course.

Quote: Sasha

Oddly enough, the Bear rules.

The error is only here. They do not rule, they rule, both Medvedev and Putin.

[pensioner]

Alexey, thanks! I watched a passage yesterday about this meeting ... Fortov made a strange impression on me. He cannot defend the interests of scientists, he cannot ... There is no core. Not Vavilov and not Alexandrov.

[fzr1000]

Not everyone can beat the GDP, but what they showed on TV is just an excerpt. As there was actually only these two and know.

[Grbear]

Gentlemen, you do not notice that at least 3 aspects are closed on the reform of the RAS:
Economic. Good money is spinning in science, despite the "underfunding". It is no secret that there is a lot of abuse in the system of science, and it is a rather closed structure (strangers do not go here or "What do you understand in science !?"). Instruct them to heal themselves - ask the patient for health.
Defense capability. The decline in the return on fundamental science directly affects the defense industry. But the age and lack of ambition, the academic background (s) of academicians with an established life, become an active brake.
Political. The decline in the prestige of the Russian Academy of Sciences in the world is a loss of respect in general terms, including the enemy military. Therefore, the latter begin to introduce this element into their calculations.

Total Light stroking and persuasion, such a colossus as RAS, cannot be shaken. You need such a crack to make the ringing go. It didn’t seem to me that the GDP didn’t understand that the reform was "crude". He just created a severe necessity, limited in time, to activate the actions of the academics themselves in the reform, keeping its progress under control (the decree and that's all). Shrieks like "Don't bother, ignoramuses" and so forth do not roll. If you want to live, let's give it back. Otherwise, I will feed vinipuh.
So far, somehow.

[Z.A.M.]

Quote: GrBear

Need such a crack so that the ringing goes.

At first, I reacted positively to the commentary; the aspects are correct. But the conclusion ...
Ringing, you say ... But the "bell" DOES NOT ROCK?

Quote: GrBear

Rather, it is a tough resuscitation, such as a defibrillator.

Well, the economy has already been DEFENSE - WTO. The patient is more likely dead than alive.
Education, not like a crack, such pees ... were given that

Quote: Asgard

Education (the best in the world)) was so reformed that only de.bill didn’t laugh .... though there are less and less laughs, but de..bil))))))

"Shock therapy", you say? Passed.

Quote: GrBear

So it's too early to talk about funerals

You, if you are talking about your funeral, now. Then you will not tell ALREADY (This is an example)
So it is with science ...

[borisjdin1957]

from the Don.
It seems to me that in recent years, the GDP has begun to enter! The reforms carried out in the country only immerse the country deeper and deeper into the swamp! , -: Everything is fine, beautiful marquise!: IMPUNITY is the main reason for all our troubles!

[Grbear]

However, having looked at the scanty report on the meeting of the two presidents, it seemed that Vladimir Fortov understood who he was dealing with and in the final moment looked puzzled, but not without hope in his eyes. So, it's too early to talk about funerals. Rather, it is a tough resuscitation, such as a defibrillator.

[Mr. Gambu4aS]

In my opinion this is the last nail in the lid of the coffin of education, the exam was the last but one!

[sashka]

Once I already wrote a comment that DAM drives and Pu is on the "pick-up" .. Now it is obvious .. What the iPhone man has in mind is from the President Decree .. Skolkovo, Army reform, renaming one d-ma into d-oh, and Nano did not teach anything .. Where is there PPC .. And the president likes it. Paradox

[Karabin]

Quote: Sasha

taxis DaM and Pu on the "catch".

Quote: Sasha

What's on the iPhone on the mind is from the President's Decree.

Well, if you continue to fantasize ... then the divorce from the filing of DAM. If the president does not have a wife, then the prime minister’s wife becomes the first lady.

[Yarosvet]

Quote: Karabin

If the president does not have a wife, then the prime minister’s wife becomes the first lady.

Not - that's how it really was

[KG_patriot_last]

Normal male reaction. Yes, even if he had a whole harem, he would have regained it anyway. In his place, I would drool on the floor and drool wink fool

[Consmo]

Fortov was shown on the TV, with his comrades there was a wall of people behind him for 75. It would be good to carry out certification and what they did for the Homeland over the past 20 years.
It is necessary to give children work after institutes at the age of 25-30. Give premises, equipment, grants if the State is interested in this area. The faculty and academic staff should act as youth consultants. Well, he can head one laboratory. Now management is sitting on the money under the control of dozens of labs. where graduate students and young scientists work for 7, and even the equipment is not normal. But if work is expected to return money and patents, Academics are on the list in the first role, even if they have not entered the lab for a year.

[Albert1988]

You are big +, the academy has not been young for a long time, it is also sad that many young and very high-class specialists are denied the title of even a member of the core, and they still take old people or "godfathers" (

[viktorR]

It would be interesting to look at the 25-year-old academicians ... Although with such reforms I feel I will soon see ...

[Albert1988]

Well 25 is a bust, but 35-40 is quite

[PValery53]

A reform without taking into account the opinions of venerable academics and young scientists is doomed to failure. Under the dictatorship over them, scientists will either leave the Academy or leave the country. In this case, the level of science in Russia will fall very low. Bureaucratic lawlessness (unpunished) always brings evil. Rulers need to find a wise approach to the academic community, cherish them, and not wield like an Elephant in a china shop. The intellectual elite should be worshiped, not beaten up.

[fenix57]

Quote: Povshnik

Judging by what was shown on TV, they went into Putin’s office with their opinion, and went out with Putin’s opinion,

Judging by who and how is located in his chair ... And the proposal from the GDP to the head of the Russian Academy of Sciences disarmed the latter .... And that was it!

[serge]

The fact that the reform of the Russian Academy of Sciences is being dragged through by an outspoken enemy of the Russian people of Livanov (one hundred percent Jewish surname, by the way), suggests that this is another sabotage. Under the cries of Snowden and the fight against homosexuals, the State Duma has already dragged the law on Internet bans and is pushing the law on the destruction of Russian science.
They work purely American, under a smokescreen and under the cries of what patriots they are.

[Yarosvet]

Quote: serge

one hundred percent Jewish surname, by the way

[Albert1988]

My opinion as a young scientist is that the academy needs to be reformed. The question is HOW to reform it, and who will eventually dispose of the property after the reform. I have already written a lot in comments to previous articles on this topic that corruption is rampant among academics, but the main problem of modern Russian science is not even this but excessive bureaucracy. Scientists are not so much distracting property management from scientific work, as the design of 100500 all kinds of pieces of paper. + Dkracey laws such as FZ 94 (if I remember his number correctly) according to which almost toilet paper should be bought at tenders, not to mention other reagents. A tender is red tape for half a year and always buying low-quality goods (it can’t cost a good reagent!). So it is necessary to reform, but, as they correctly said here, to do everything taking into account the opinions of the scientists themselves. But it seems that the Duma did not miss the law in its current form, so we (scientists) hope that we will be heard)

[Vtel]

Today I was surprised to find that the author does not have a document either. Livanov says that he did not even stand behind the backs of those who wrote the draft, says academician Fortov.

In how, his EGE already got everyone, but here, after all, the Russian Academy of Sciences - he was hanging around the door.

“Better to do than not to do,” President Putin announced.

Agree - "It's better to do better than do nothing"

[bubla5]

I don’t understand everything, with what speed is the type of discussion and adoption of health and education reforms going on, then the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the army, now science and pensions, and most importantly nowhere to see the point, scribbled economists ’skippers — one ruined everything in 100 days, now destroy the last because the idiot is clear - you want prosperity and prosperity in the country - you need to reduce or at least keep energy prices, and we have a growth from a drunk from 60 kopecks to 3r45 kopecks per kW, gasoline from 6 rubles 92 to 27 rubles

[My address]

Lawyers will quietly bypass economists in the milk industry, and the head of government is a lawyer. In my youth, if someone did not even take economistically a stupidity, and did not want to work, they went to lawyers. And already those lawyers taught DAME, the result is obvious. Of course, there are also good lawyers, but as an exception to the rule.

[smile]

My address
In your youth - you are probably older than me, I entered the university at the law faculty in a competition of 11 people per place (I’m 71) ... a lot of idiots and lazy people gathered, is not it?
In Soviet times (60-80s) lawyers were trained at the highest level.
By the way, four from the course died ... and not in an accident ...
This is now, when a "battalion" of lawyers is being released in the region for a couple of vacancies a year - with their level-byad ... by the way, they are issued mainly by vague offices that proliferated in the 90s .... these should definitely be closed so that half-educated ones are not produced .... and shut down ... can you imagine what the point is about the fact that science is being killed?

[My address]

The competition says little. I entered physics at a competition for about 4, I don't remember exactly. But I remember a bunch of medalists. Normal people did not go to this physics. I also remember the first exam - written mathematics, where more than half of them failed. I remember two of the three (or four?) Problems. At the vertices of an equilateral triangular prism, there are contiguous equal balls, find the radius of the inscribed ball. Solve a trigonometric series, the series did not pass at school, it was necessary to guess how to multiply by the sine. Simply put, they cut off without spatial thinking, standard thinking and "burned out". It was similar in oral mathematics and physics.
I got excited about lawyers, for example, I respect the former city prosecutor for his honesty and intelligence. But I do not respect DAME.

[smile]

My address
Accepted. According to Dam, I absolutely agree with you. A person with adolescent complexes and infantilism, justifies his passion for all kinds of gadgets, may be worthy in the best case of compassion. but no respect ...
And you didn’t really hit me with the task - I have long been convinced that, in terms of hardness, I began to overtake both Putka, Chapaya and the Chukchi taken together ... at one time I was preparing to go to the Institute of Nuclear Energy in Obninsk and, I think, would have entered -I took prizes in mathematics and physics at all the olympiads of the Klaipeda district .... in 15-20 years, a classmate asked her son to solve the problems .... and I realized that I forgot what integral is ... degradation of adnak, and swift .... it happens.

[Diviz]

Chubais to help them

[serge]

Today I was surprised to find that the document does not have an author either.
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As always, the law is written in the USA.

[Albert1988]

Quote: serge

As always, the law is written in the USA.

Rather, the situation here is like with the notorious film "Bastards" - the director says that the screenwriter wrote all sorts of garbage for him, and the screenwriter that the director did not film everything according to the script)))

[aud13]

Reforms of course need to be carried out. Especially if it is clear that they are inevitable.
It most likely concerns the Academy of Sciences. But the following is doubtful. In recent years, so many reforms have been started and not completed, and in some cases these reforms have made it even worse. Examples around:
- housing and communal services reform
- pension reform
- Reform of the Ministry of Defense.
Therefore, the beginning of the next reform is met by society with a start.
It seems that just someone wants to implement a business project called the Revolution of the Academy of Sciences, after which all the property of the Academy will smoothly move into the bins of individuals.
On the example of Serdyukov and the Ministry of Defense, all this is perfectly visible.
By the way, he sits without work, an excellent academician and a wonderful reformist disappear.

[pinecone]

If at the RAS they plan to put together an office on the model of Oboronservis, then for Academservice there are already experienced personnel in the person of fighting friends of the former Minister of Defense. Are they going to let them out so that they can properly prepare for a new job.

[SASCHAmIXEEW]

The business project is called "Collapse of RUSSIA" and it was written in the State Department, and it seems that Putin does not want to follow it! Otherwise, he will sign a verdict for himself, so the firewood has already been broken above the roof!

[Karabin]

Quote: SASCHAmIXEEW

like Putin doesn't want to follow him!

Of course he doesn’t want to. His like a sucker constantly deceive ... Either the State Department, then the liberals from his own government, then the Duma, then the officials. And he wipes away tears with one hand, and signs laws with the other. Well, it can not be otherwise. You have to understand.

[My address]

Well, DAM was warming for a place for four years, but he also got pleasure from it! Just see how pleased with yourself! So what else to support his stupidity? Yes, even in science? Where else is a lawyer admitted close to science? What did DAM do good for the country? Economical light bulbs introduced - this is the level of the deputy minister. GDP should be commissioned to make an analysis of the effectiveness of the LADIES, and leave the results in the bout! Or is everything known?

[tverskoi77]

ShturmKGB

I think everything will be normal if Pu is in the know about the events of the academy ...

Pu in the course and Oboronservis and in the course of health care reform and in the course of education reform))) the result is the same everywhere.

[Karabin]

Putin gave the impression of a man who knows in advance what reform (in its government version) to be.

And before that, was it different? Putin has repeatedly expressed satisfaction with the work of the government and has not blocked a single government decision.

PS Education, medicine, police, police, army, Roscosmos and the political system have already been reformed. Why would you put your hands? ..

The author forgot to add here the entry into the WTO and the work of state corporations on the right people. Plus article and Volodin too - for his concern about the RAS and everything else (in PS). One question, is it too late to see?
"Do you remember how it all began ..." (C). The publications of a year ago from Mr. Volodin are continuous and continuous praise of the GDP. GDP is wise and vigorous and will not break the wood, and won the orange and the west lowered, and will deal with the scammers. And here on you - PS And there is no inconvenience for the previously poured oil.
As there is no inconvenience from the current shadowing of the bright image of Vladimir Vladimirovich. But this image has been feeding the author for so long.
Or maybe the conjuncture has changed?

[Lyokha79]

The author kept silent about what Putin said. And he said that the law will be amended taking into account the views and wishes of academics. And here is the latest news: the State Duma has gone on summer vacation postponing the consideration of this law until the fall. During the holidays, consultations will be held on how to make changes. To all alarmists, urgently, take valerian.

[Karabin]

Quote: Lyokha79

urgently, take valerian.

Approved urgently change the lenses in glasses ... from pink to transparent.

[Yegorchik]

Unfortunately, this is not a lens; it is a cataract; for 13 years people still did not understand that they were nicely fucked up (bruce) by slipping a pawn instead of a queen.

[freedom1970]

Another “effective manager” will come, who will “help” scientists ...

I'm afraid to even call ...
Could it be that Serdyukov?

[Yegorchik]

He didn’t, he ruined everything during the energy reform, but he didn’t get as stupid as a stool.

[Alex66]

"We are witnessing the creation of a world dictatorship of pederasts"
Otherwise, all this rush of reforming the Russian Academy of Sciences, Defense Ministry, Ministry of Internal Affairs ... cannot be explained, it is also difficult to explain the swamp in which the investigation of the Defense Ministry reforms appeared.
And our military is surprising, unlike the Egyptian, although we have a different situation and our salaries are good, there is something to lose.

[ia-ai00]

Another clearly ill-conceived reform emerged in the field of Russian science.

Why ill-conceived ?! Obviously VERY thoughtful! "Didn't overlook ..., not order ..., urgently need to" help "science!" Only after each "reform" only ruins remain from entire industries. And the "leaders" of the reforms are "beyond the Ocean", and these "leaders" are "not to be harmed!" - Putin said ...

[falcon]

The article, of course, is a plus! I would like to draw attention to this - on July 4, the law came into force
about the amnesty (this year for some reason dedicated to the Independence Day of the United States (I hope that
accidentally) and thousands of released "effective managers" are again ready to work for the "BLAGO" of the country. Here is their rich reform experience from the 90s, apparently, and use. Well, and the RAS?
They will create JSC "RAS", which will push the budget loot on offshore companies. But what about science? -
young scientists will ask. "Know the problems" - the reformers will say. LET'S GIVE THE SCIENCE TO OUTSOURCING! Topics
more that specialists of the necessary profile are available.
Sorry for the sarcasm, there are simply no other words ...

[JIaIIoTb]

"We wanted the best, but it turned out as always" V. Chernomyrdin.
I am afraid that it will be so.

[Black]

The article is definitely a plus. for what would these not taken, the result is always the same.
RAS needs to be reformed, no words. It is necessary to change the general attitude towards science, to restore the prestige of scientific activity. And it's not just about money. But the "reformers" do not believe it. Not in their good intentions, not in the result.

[Russ69]

It is necessary to reform the Academy, there is also enough gimor.
The truth is alarming the speed of decision-making, the fact that the reform project has been postponed so far is already normal. And we'll see, on this occasion in the near future there will be a bunch of statements by the scientists themselves, both for and against, and a bunch of proposals. So let's evaluate it then.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

not everything is simple and not everything is visible, as some not everyone says so and others are silent about something, the academics were worried, among other things, about the fact that a huge number of square meters of rented real estate was out of control

[honest jew]

Slowly harness, fast ride?

We’re going for a long time, maybe it's time to change the horses .. then something will change! And then it seems to me that the wrong horses were harnessed ...

[hiocraib]

Quote: Honest Jew

wrong horses harnessed ..

we have only slaves, and even those in the galleys!

[Yarosvet]

Quote: hiocraib

we have only slaves, and even those in the galleys!

[serge]

It seems to be how Russia began to conduct an independent policy. In words. But in fact:
- entry into the WTO
- tightening nuts on the Internet
- destruction of education (Centralized Testing)
- destruction of science

[EGORKA]

RAS received three years from the president

http://www.gazeta.ru/science/2013/07/04_a_5412925.shtml

it seems that the RAS organized shock therapy in such a way .... they gave a discharge so that the academics move

[falcon]

Quote: EGORKA

RAS received three years from the president

I hope, conditionally?

[Albert1988]

Well, they have already postponed until the 3rd reading with a bunch of amendments, so my hope is that the opinion of scientists will still be taken into account in the preparation and implementation of the reform. And my suspicion is growing more and more that this reform is also part of Putin's "plan" for drowning Medvedev: a "provocative" bill is being created, which Dima supports with foam at his mouth, the law causes a storm of indignation, a good uncle Vova comes and sorts things out ...
Py. Sy. Here, the deputy speaker of the Duma, it seems, mentioned that the last reform of the Academy of Sciences was in the 30s. It would be interesting to find out what scientists and society were talking about this reform then, but it’s not open ... Just like that, it’s interesting ...

[Karabin]

Quote: Albert1988

part of Putin's "plan" to drown Medvedev

Why is it so difficult. Putin can learn from his predecessor. EBN "drowned" the prime ministers like kittens. And I didn’t mess around with multi-moves.
In general, I’m curious that people who think that Putin wants to take off Medvedev, but cannot. A constitution would have been opened, or something. Another question is whether Putin wants to remove the bear. In all its statements, the GDP claims to be quite pleased with the work of the government. It is strange that for a certain circle of people this does not reach. The notion of conspiracy theories on the verge of idiocy begins.

[fzr1000]

About Putin to remove Medvedev. In no way do I want to say that Putin is all in white, and Medvedev ahhhhhh. But, POSSIBLE, now having removed Medvedev, Putin will make it clear to the West and local Western worshipers in his retinue something that is too early. Well i.e. not yet time. Maybe there is such a probability.
Well, or everything is simple, banal and bad.

[Karabin]

Quote: fzr1000

to understand the West and local Western worshipers in their retinue something that is too early.

And yet, what kind of Putin’s main secret is this, that it’s too early to understand the retinue? Just a hint from which area. And then everyone is waiting and loyal enemies and sworn friends. While we are unraveling the secrets, academics, look at that, will scatter.

[fzr1000]

I just assumed. "Palace" intrigues and undercover struggle is a very delicate matter. Thinner than the East.
He wrote at the end that if -no, then everything is pretty running.

[Yarosvet]

Reforms, mistakes, the security officer-patriot is not in the know...

Everything is really like this -

[Yarosvet]

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[Yarosvet]

One thing pleases and gives hope -

[Yegorchik]

Interestingly, I also recently thought that our life is terribly reminiscent of the fairy tale about Chipolinno, only without Prince Cherry, but with the dominance of the Tomato lords.

[denn]

I don't understand your comments. It is quite obvious to me that there are two camps in power: the statists led by Putin and the liberals who are dismantling the country. There is a confrontation in power. If Putin is destroying the country, then why is it suddenly growing and growing? Why did it suddenly become the No. 1 economy in Europe and No. 5 in the world? Does anyone really think that in 20 years the country would not have been dismantled? Everything major was done in the 90s. For the 2000s - just finish it. Or is Putin half the enemy? Does this happen? We need to eliminate the enemy government and Putin will do this immediately after the popular referendum. I'm sure of it. Livanov and Co. forced the bill on the Russian Academy of Sciences, Putin softened and stretched it. With which Fortov is quite satisfied. Livanov himself admitted that he did not write the project. In Ukraine, as far as I know, this year is the last conscription into the army. Compare, so to speak, with the situation in Russia. Read about the powers of the president, the government and their tasks in the constitution - everything is written there. So will someone explain to me how Putin is ruining the country? Maybe I don't understand something.

[Yarosvet]

Quote: denn

Maybe I don't understand something.

It seems that yes.

Quote: denn

I don't understand your comments. It is quite obvious to me that there are two camps in power: the statists led by Putin and the liberals who are dismantling the country. There is a confrontation in power.

On what basis are these conclusions made?

If Putin is destroying the country, then why is it suddenly growing and growing? Why did it suddenly become the No. 1 economy in Europe and No. 5 in the world?

Due to rising prices: GDP growth over 8 years - 200%, domestic inflation growth over the same period - 200%, oil price growth - 200%.

Does anyone really think that in 20 years the country would not have been dismantled? Everything major was done in the 90s. For the 2000s - just finish it.

What was done in the 90s, the enterprises were given into private hands? And the fact that KGB/FSB ears stick out behind every piece - is this how it should be?
What do you mean by “dismantling”?

Or is Putin half the enemy? Does this happen? We need to eliminate the enemy government and Putin will do this immediately after the popular referendum.

Why haven’t you done anything yet - neither a referendum, nor the liquidation of the enemy government?

Livanov and Co. forced the bill on the Russian Academy of Sciences, Putin softened and stretched it. With which Fortov is quite satisfied.

Where does the confidence come from - Did you talk to Fortov?

Read about the powers of the president, the government and their tasks in the constitution - everything is written there.

That's it - part 3 of Article 80 and paragraphs a), e) of Article 83.

http://wek.com.ua/article/72536/ - this is just something to think about.

[denn]

On what basis are these conclusions made?

There are many reasons. I have already given some. In general, all I have to do is go outside to see it all. In short, the country is living much better than in the 90s. Will you deny? Make lists of initiatives and all the affairs of Putin and the government. You will see the trends for yourself. There are positive developments in the army, industry, etc. Will you deny? There is a lot of material about the army on this site (applications, exercises, etc.). Compare the country’s indicators in the 90s and 2000s; at their border, a turning point from decline to growth is clearly visible. Some strange enemy, this Putin, is breaking, breaking, and the country is growing (albeit slowly).

Due to rising prices: GDP growth over 8 years - 200%, domestic inflation growth over the same period - 200%, oil price growth - 200%.

Once you get it, finish it to the end. Namely, that Russia, until a certain time, was generally independent of oil prices, because it did not receive anything from the sale (i.e., it was robbed). Under Putin, petrodollars returned to the budget. The topic of inflation and the Central Bank is a separate story. In short, we have a Central Bank on its own (well, of course there is an owner).

What was done in the 90s, the enterprises were given into private hands? And the fact that KGB/FSB ears stick out behind every piece - is this how it should be?
What do you mean by “dismantling”?

More details about the KGB/FSB, if possible. Have you heard enough of Navalny? Dismantling is the complete elimination of the country's military potential and the introduction of its own control, i.e. the colony. For ease of management, large areas are divided. For us it started with Khasavyurt, which Putin canceled. Those. the first to the department is the Caucasus. That. According to the trend of the 90s, Russia should already be in the Stone Age with continued losses among the population.

Why haven’t you done anything yet - neither a referendum, nor the liquidation of the enemy government?

Well, actually, there have already been attempts, if anything. For example, February 23, 2012. In general, people must mature. What kind of referendum can there be if you yourself are in opposition to the national course?

Where does the confidence come from - Did you talk to Fortov?

I just watched their conversation and read Fortov’s interview after. By the way, in response to Fortov’s request to slow down the GDP reform, he replied that this was impossible, because The government introduced the project. Therefore max. What he did was make changes and stretch out the execution for three years, which suited the scientists quite well.

That's it - part 2 of article 80 and paragraphs a) and d) of article 83.

Well, you answered yourself. The key word there is “with consent”.

http://wek.com.ua/article/72536/

And why do I need this heap of yet another liberal nonsense? And even from Ukraine, which is absolutely non-sovereign. One of the tasks of today's Ukraine is Russophobia. The owners' decision. What do you expect from Ukrainian media? In addition to the army, Ukraine is preparing for the EU. Conditions for 800 pages. Ukraine can be killed with just a couple of pages. And compare again, so to speak. In general, talk to Ukrainians, let them describe to you the difference between Ukraine and Russia.

[Yarosvet]

Quote: denn

There are many reasons. I have already given some.

You made unfounded statements without any specifics.

Make lists

I make up: failed - reforms of the army, education, housing and communal services, medicine, forestry, pension reform, creation of state corporations - the entire socio-economic policy is in vain. Individual points, such as raising salaries for military personnel, do not change the essence of the matter.

Compare the country's performance in the 90s and 2000s

Yes - growth for 25% of the population, for the rest there is a stable butt.
It is necessary to compare not individual moments, declaring small-town successes an achievement, but the overall minimum level (the test for the latter was invented for a reason), and not with the 90s, but with the end of the 90s - the beginning of the XNUMXs - is it clear why?

Under Putin, petrodollars returned to the budget.

Again a substitution: the budget of 97 was 20% of GDP, now it is 14%. Which dollars went where?

We have a Central Bank on its own (well, of course there is an owner)

Yeah - yes His name is Russian Federation.
Have you read the Federal Law on the Central Bank yourself, or are you repeating Zhenya Fedorov’s pimple after Chubais?
The reasons for independence from government agencies are in Article 75 of the Constitution and Article 3 of the Federal Law on the Central Bank.

More details about the KGB/FSB, if possible.

Take an interest in the boards of directors of banks, large companies, etc. Everywhere there are people connected in one way or another with the KGB/FSB.

Dismantling is...

I see... I recommend turning to a dictionary and finding out the meaning of the words you used.

For ease of management, large areas are divided.

Yah? In general, they were always combined for ease of control, and split to take over control.

the first to the department is the Caucasus.

The first is yes, the Caucasus, separatism has always been strong there. Now funding for the Caucasus is 5-10 times higher than funding for other regions - is this a plus?

Russia should already be in the Stone Age with continued losses among the population.

1 With what joy?
2 The loss of the Russian population continues at the same rate.

Well, actually, there have already been attempts, if anything. For example, February 23, 2012.

Was there an attempt to hold a referendum on 23.02.12/XNUMX/XNUMX?

this is impossible, because The government introduced the project.

Doesn’t Vova have a veto right?

The key word there is “with consent”.

Is there a precedent for introducing another candidacy and the Duma refusing it? Or maybe paragraph b) of Article 84 has already been repealed?

[denn]

A lot of nitpicking on terminology on your part. I think I conveyed my thoughts clearly. You yourself did not provide anything specific in response.

I make up: failed - reforms of the army, education, housing and communal services, medicine, forestry, pension reform, creation of state corporations - the entire socio-economic policy is in vain. Individual points, such as raising salaries for military personnel, do not change the essence of the matter.

How come the salary doesn’t affect it? This means that professionals will be involved in the army. Should I collect a list of the dynamics in the progress in the army under Shoigu and Serdyukov? And do I need to do this for the reader of a military-themed site? Trolling in its purest form from your side.

And the rest is pure trolling. With your permission, I will summarize everything at once, because we can communicate in abstractions endlessly (I’m too lazy). For some reason, everything is either great or bad for you. But you cannot have a middle ground. I'll disappoint you - it doesn't happen. Let's be objective. If you cite the minuses, then also cite the pros. Caucasus? Fine. Are you aware that some territories of the Caucasus are themselves oil producers and the income goes to Moscow? They receive part of this income as subsidies. This time. Yes, there are regions on pure subsidies - think about why from a geopolitical point of view. Is it better to maintain peace there with money than with the blood of our soldiers? No?

p.s. Nitpicking about terminology is a characteristic of trolls. Another point - I never claimed that everything is wonderful with us. I'm talking about trends. And don’t tell me that the country is living the same or worse than in the nineties. Answer me a simple question: are the 90s the same as the present time or not?
Prove to me objectively that I am wrong.

[Yarosvet]

Quote: denn

Lots of nitpicking on terminology on your part.

A reader of a military-themed website should clearly, correctly and unambiguously express his thoughts - right?

How come the salary doesn’t affect it? This means that professionals will be involved in the army.

As far as I understand, the population is not limited to military personnel - or is it?

Should I collect a list of the dynamics in the progress in the army under Shoigu and Serdyukov?

Who appointed Serdyukov as Minister of Defense?

Are you aware that some territories of the Caucasus are themselves oil producers and the income goes to Moscow?

I know. Do you understand what I mean?
I repeat - it’s not a matter of subsidies (all regions receive them), it’s a matter of the amount of subsidies, which are at least 2 times higher than subsidies for traditionally Russian regions, maximum 10 times (Chechnya).

Is it better to maintain peace there with money than with the blood of our soldiers? No?

Maybe it would be more logical and cheaper to close the problem once and for all?

I'm talking about trends. And don’t tell me that the country is living the same or worse than in the nineties. Answer me a simple question: are the 90s the same as the present time or not?

Of course, time is not the same, but the question is: is the country living better than in 99 or not?
The answer is that for 75% of the population, nothing has changed since 99 or it has gotten worse.

Prove to me objectively that I am wrong.

I'll try. Observe and evaluate the following system:
1 Article 7 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation.
2 Part 3 of Article 80 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation.
3 Article 133 of the Labor Code of the Russian Federation.
4 The current cost of living in the Russian Federation.
5 minimum wages in the Russian Federation at the moment.
Conclusion?


P.S. A little more about the Caucasus:

[Nitup]

Yarosvet.
Well done troll, you're trying hard. You don’t miss a single topic related to Putin. You apparently have one goal of communicating on this site - to denigrate Putin. And on the topic of military equipment, etc., not a single comment.

[Yarosvet]

Quote: Nitup

Yarosvet.
Well done troll, you're trying hard. You don’t miss a single topic related to Putin. You apparently have one goal of communicating on this site - to denigrate Putin. And on the topic of military equipment, etc., not a single comment.

I’m not interested in talking about what should appear by the 20th. or x/s by which year.
I am not interested in talking about geopolitics, since in these conditions it has a 10th importance.
I am not interested in talking about pederasts, since there is nothing to talk about - the disease is there, the disease is curable. but no one gives a fuck.

It is interesting for me to talk about the socio-economic policy of the country in which I live, since my life and the life of my compatriots depend on this policy, and also because, alas, they give me countless reasons to talk about it.

Now go through the system posted above and give it a rating.

[Nitup]

Yes, you don’t like to discuss, but to troll and post all sorts of demotivators. The purpose of your being here is to denigrate personally Putin.

[Yarosvet]

Quote: Nitup

The purpose of your being here is to denigrate personally Putin.

So try to whitewash the black male, so much so that I have no chance left!

Or you can chatter, post unfounded nonsense, but you are not able to define the actions of your idol, which are at odds with the Constitution and the Federal Law?

[Nitup]

Last time, I think I wrote it all out. It is impossible to listen to your demagoguery. I have no idols. I don't want to whitewash or denigrate anyone. You just have to be objective. When a person comes to the site with only one goal - to write how bad Putin is, there is probably something wrong with this person. Doesn't he have any more problems? Most likely you are just a troll.

[Yarosvet]

Quote: Nitup

Last time, I think I wrote it all out.

When, where, what, why I don’t know?

It is impossible to listen to your demagoguery.

Don't listen - you read.

I don't want to whitewash or denigrate anyone.

Then why are you bothering me? Send to the blacklist and all matters.

You just have to be objective.

Be - give an objective assessment of the violation of the Constitution and Federal Law by the president.

When a person comes to the site with only one goal - to write how bad Putin is, there is probably something wrong with this person.

Sorry - it just slipped my mind to ask your opinion.

Doesn't he have any more problems?

There are poverty wages for 75% of my compatriots, and the lack of official statistics on the number and structure of homeless people and street children, although the phenomenon does exist.

Most likely you are just a troll.

Contact a psychiatrist - your paranoia is progressing.

[Nitup]

I’ll figure out where to go without you.
I'm not even going to argue with you. I just wanted others to pay attention and also stop doing this thankless task: arguing and proving something to the troll.

[liteha]

I noticed after Yarosvet that he thinks verbosely but flatly and one-sidedly, and in places quite clumsily, which in his mind is apparently a mandatory way of expressing thoughts for visitors to a site on military topics... apparently the new training manual has not yet been issued. Let's wait for new gems.

[Yegorchik]

At the moment, all ministers belong to the clan of liberals, Putin removed the last non-liberal Belousov just the other day, so who is he fighting with? Fifth economy you say? So three or four more pipes will start pumping in order to pump out more oil and gas, we will be the fourth economy, only the money from the sale remains in US banks; this money works for their economy. And here the Russian population is dying out, young people are drinking themselves to death, medicine, industry, science and etc. degrade. TAKE OFF YOUR PINK GLASSES and wipe your eyes.

[denn]

I suspect it was a comment to me. And there are more emotions in it than layout. I will repeat to you - I am talking about general trends - progress, and nowhere did I say that everything is great with us. Everything at once - that doesn’t happen.

[honest jew]

Dmitry Anatolyevich - is that you?

[scientist]

“The Russian land can give birth to its own Platos and quick minds of Newtons”

[falcon]

Quote: denn Maybe I don’t understand something.[/quote

When oil prices drop, you’ll understand everything right away!

[denn]

And I can repeat to you that in the 90s Russia did not depend on oil prices at all, because... received virtually no income from them.

When oil prices drop, you’ll understand everything right away!

What will I understand? More details.

[Shtyn dwarf]

It's crazy how many trolls came running!
And for some reason no one said a word about the fact that at the moment the Russian Federation is a colony of the United States. Which lives according to the constitution written in the 90s of the United States. According to the laws that the USA wrote to us. And all that the United States did towards us when they divided the pie in the victory over the USSR was to turn us into a colony and pump out everything useful from us. Both people and resources. Instability in education leads to an outflow of scientists abroad - namely to the United States. They are getting smarter at our expense. Most of the key positions in the government are occupied by “appointees” from the United States, including Lebanon. His role is to bring smart and talented scientists from the Russian Federation to the USA as much as possible.

[Yarosvet]

Quote: Shtynsky Dwarf

And for some reason no one said a word about the fact that at the moment the Russian Federation is a colony of the United States.

Well, one genius has finally been found...

[Karabin]

Quote: Shtynsky Dwarf

I still don’t understand what place the president has in the Gauleiterism you described.

[denn]

The position of president itself is no longer ours, not Russian. And a place is allocated in the Gaulartery, of course. And DAM handled it well. The West said to give the go-ahead for the bombing of Libya, please. Compare with the current position on Syria.

[Grieg]

The controlled surrender of Russia continues.

[1goose3]

Quote: gleb49

And if you retire ineffective academics. Maybe they will be replaced by young promising scientists. Maybe the brain drain will stop. The RAS itself will never go for reform.

Yeah, the effectiveness will be determined by Livanov, the super-academician, using the formula the number of scientific works per square meter of the laboratory, and the value of the work will be determined by him after consulting with Western partners who are upset by the decreasing influx of Russian brains into their science.

[1goose3]

Livanov is weak. Why not put Chubais in charge of this? The father of the voucher, Russia's unsurpassed energy engineer, he's already done Nana, why not throw him at science, damn it. It’s not Chubais who will take her, or anything else.

[Savva30]

Education and science are being destroyed!!! The fall of Proton is a call that, unfortunately, was not heard by would-be reformers. Mr. Medvedev! Instead of selling state assets, sell what was created by your hands and the hands of your associates: nanochtototam, Skolkovo, mysterious innovations, whatever else was created there...

[sergeschern]

What can I say, they are finishing off our country slowly but systematically. Moreover, at the suggestion of the “guarantor”. It's a shame for the country!

[bear]

Disappoints everything, who the hell knows to trust

[Yarosvet]

Quote: bear

Everything disappoints, who the hell knows

Don't believe it, just think.

[Karabin]

Quote: bear

who to believe who the hell knows

To the one who doesn't lie.

[Shtyn dwarf]

Quote: Karabin

Quote: bear

who to believe who the hell knows

To the one who doesn't lie.

Nowadays you can't trust anyone. But I can! =)

[scientist]

Judging by the statements, Fortov was not able to provide a single argument to defend his position. It turns out that Fortov himself was someone’s protege, a certain political figure who suited everyone close to the RAS trough. But asking for a meeting without preparing for the conversation smacks of provocation. Once again it proves that there are no and cannot be authorities in science. If there are arguments and evidence, you have honor and respect, but if not, it’s better to be silent and listen carefully to others.

[aviamed90]

scientist

You can be an excellent academician and scientist, and a bad teacher and agitator.
Moreover, no one seriously listened to Fortov and had no intention of doing so. And he understood it. No matter what he says, it won't change anything.
Everything was decided in advance. It is obvious.

[aviamed90]

scientist

You can be an excellent scientist and a bad teacher and agitator.
Moreover, no one listened to Fortov. And he understood it. No matter what he says, it won't change anything.
Everything was decided in advance. It is obvious.

[Miha_Skif]

In my opinion, this is a brilliant multi-step, a carefully planned and well-executed special operation, I think it could not have happened without the FSB, well, our liberals are not capable of independently ensuring such the highest level of secrecy at the preparation stage.
The Russian Academy of Sciences in modern society is, first of all, a social institution; its role cannot be overestimated; in terms of importance, the Academy of Sciences can only be compared with the church in the 18th and 19th centuries. And, like any social institution, it is conservative. There are pros and cons to this. On the plus side, the RAS largely retained its competencies both in the “dashing” 90s and in the hungry XNUMXs. You can scold it for a long time for its low efficiency, isolation from the real economy, and so on, but it has performed and continues to fulfill its main function - as a social institution.
The other side of the coin is increased resistance to reform attempts. But changes are needed, and quite significant ones at that. Russia is on the verge of a new breakthrough, a new round of development, and it is the Russian Academy of Sciences that must provide the scientific and technological basis for this “breakthrough into the future.”
And then a brilliant idea is born in some bright head...
Results of the operation. The bill received from the government and the bill adopted by the Duma in the second reading are “two big differences.” Link http://politobzor.net/show-2082-posle-vmeshatelstva-vladimira-putina-pravitelstv
ennyy-razrushitelnyy-variant-reformy-ran-udalos-razminirovat.html
After such a horror story, academicians agree to any reasonable proposals for reform.
Once again the role of the comprador top government has been exposed.
And, most importantly, a wave of speeches rose in society in defense of the Russian Academy of Sciences, and, ultimately, to strengthen the sovereignty of Russia. Rus' has always united and risen to defend against aggression...

[denn]

I support your opinion

[Letterksi]

The media likes to present such “reforms” as strange, unexpected, incomprehensible. In fact, everything is clear and understandable if you read, listen, and expand your political horizons at least a little. Everything that happens is called monetarist policy, which is being fully implemented in the CIS countries according to foreign specifications. plan. The founder of this policy is the Chicago School of Economics. The "Yoda" teacher and apologist is Milton Friedman. Read his books.

Plans for reform come from the same place in English. That’s why Livanov was so scared for his post that he strongly denied authorship. Naturally, he is not the author; he is the instrument and payer of the ordered plan. How will he report to Putin if he says that he is the author? He doesn’t take responsibility for other people’s plans, does he? He is so stupid that he cannot even come up with a “legend” about the origin of the plan. I couldn’t find anything better than to leave the plan without authorship at all.

In turn, permission to implement these plans is given by the GDP and the government. Many laws are adopted in Russia in the same way. The defense industry was also “reformed”. Livanov was appointed to the post of minister by the same person as Stoolkin

Sounds crazy? If you don’t believe me, at least read about Milton Friedman on Wikipedia

[Vasilić]

...first they freed the hands of corrupt officials (in all areas of life)...
...the grabbers, out of habit, worked “smallly”...
...as a result, many things require reforms...everyone understands this (scientists, military men, doctors, teachers)
...approximate sequential list of reforms:
- medicine
- education
- army
- the science
...everyone present can evaluate the results of the already completed “reforms” independently...
...but... I have the right to speak (I hope)... just the results...
medicine:
transition to a commercial basis (free enterprise) - we have a lot of all kinds of modern equipment, but we don’t know how to use the data obtained by this equipment... we treat (if we treat) the consequences, not the causes...
education:
the lack of support for “directed” education leads to the absence (withering away) of specialists in almost all fields...
...except for lawyers... economists... political scientists...
army...
...like a gritsa - but a comment...
...I’m wondering...next year on May 9th they will talk about giving veterans apartments?... (rhetorical question)
...the science...
..scientists themselves understand that reforms are necessary... but what kind of reforms...
...neither doctors, nor teachers, nor the military so actively resisted the “incomprehensible” reforms only because there were too many “random” people there.. and those who resisted quickly realized that it made no sense alone... and gave up...
in science there are many times fewer random people... the rest understand perfectly well what any “unspecified” reforms can lead to...

...it’s interesting to look at the monkey as long as he doesn’t have a grenade in his hand....
...
We’ll see... we won’t do anything... that’s why we’ll... see...

I don’t want to blame anyone (I have no right)... but...

[Letterksi]

That's damn right. Academicians from the Russian Academy of Sciences, and in particular Fortov, understand very well which way the wind is blowing. The majority of doctors or military personnel may not understand what is happening and why they are being reformed. But academicians fully understand and realize that their hands have reached them. They are next in line in the chain of complete collapse of the country. Therefore, Fortov could not say anything intelligible, because for him everything was so obvious and clear that there was nothing to hide.

It’s good that the Russian Academy of Sciences at least wrote a letter demanding the resignation of the entire government.

[denn]

Everything here is obvious, this is the government’s consistent plan to dismantle the country. They wanted to push the bill through quickly, but it didn’t work out quickly. The amendments were adopted in the second reading. Some interesting points: according to academics, the bill itself was written in a hurry and with a lot of errors, both logical (many inconsistencies) and syntactical; during the hype, many scientists (very many) received letters with offers to work in the West; Livanov himself admitted that he did not personally develop the bill, i.e. came from somewhere (I can guess where). We have a recession in store for the fall. This is an attack on our economy. Having already uncompetitive loans now will make them even more unaffordable. Funds will most likely be seized there, including social ones.

[Letterksi]

Therefore, there is an outflow of foreign capital from the country. (Although I don’t care about that) It’s just that the outflow of capital is evidence that in the West small players are aware of the attack on the Russian economy and are trying to withdraw money so as not to lose it in the future. The big players will pour in money at the right time and buy up all the remaining Russian property.

What is most regrettable is that all this is being implemented with the participation of the government and the president, under the tireless assurances of the people such as Fedorov and Starikov about the great fighter for independence

Any laws banning gay propaganda are just a screen to divert eyes from the “main things” happening in the country. When they have done all their dirty deeds, these laws will be repealed just as they were adopted, with the same number of votes as they were adopted

[Vasilić]

“It’s better to do than not to do”...
one of my favorite expressions (from some movie):
...if you don’t know what to do next, take a step forward...

Key word - don't know...

many ordinary people (us) really like action... especially against the backdrop of general inaction...
but...
...if you don't know what the wires are connected to, don't touch them...
...if you don't know what's in the bottle, don't drink it...
..if you don’t know what kind of berry it is, don’t eat it...

Does anyone really agree with the expression:
It's better to do something bad than not to do it at all...
??

[aksakal]

Quote: ammunition

Dear Aksakal.
You were mistaken about my modest person.

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I will not convince you that the proposed "reform" is worthless. Anyway, you don't "make sure" This is a worldview difference .. Here it is - either a physicist-engineer .. or manager-lawyer.

If I hadn't heard the squeals, I wouldn't have posted. As for the oiled workshops - as it was, it remains so, production is production, no one even thinks about automation or robotics, but why? There are crowds of workers outside the gates, the locals won’t come - I’ll bring trains from Tajikistan, but robots are expensive. Meanwhile, at the plant itself, professions with a creative component are through the roof. A design engineer, a technologist, a quality control department, and even a salesman - these are purely human professions and cannot be replaced by a robot. These are jobs, but where you dream of driving young people, onto the conveyor belt, these are not jobs, but places for robots, so put the robots there. Or plow there yourself. After all, you’re not plowing on an assembly line - why are you so scared that you decide for the youth? It’s easy to fast while sitting in a warm and air-conditioned place, but you can show by personal example. Put on your oiled overalls and go ahead. Kholmanskikh also does not rush back into the workshop, but calls for the youth to be driven into the workshops. I know what I’m writing about, I worked hard and posted about it, people should do their job, not a robot’s job. That's it, I'm closing this topic, I'm definitely right here, and I don't give a damn about your cons.
As for the Iron Curtain, again, don’t decide for others. And “pet animals” are not needed here - let them go to the west, that’s where they belong. And you leave them here with an iron curtain without the right to leave - well, why the hell do they need neighbors? An effective filter at the entrance is to select the best and not let in the worst (like this LBGT bacchanalia) - that’s enough. And I lived behind the Iron Curtain - I don’t want to anymore. I’ll tell you straight - with all the rejection of Turkey’s policies, its resorts are much better than your Sochi slop, where slop coffee on the beach costs 200 rubles - so relax there yourself.

[Vasilić]

Quote: aksakal

Meanwhile, at the plant itself, professions with a creative component are through the roof. And a design engineer, and a technologist, and a quality control department, and even a salesman

design engineer is a creative profession limited by the needs of the plant and the interests of the owner of the plant... very limited
technologist - .. at least limited by technology... You’re not talking about AI, but about a plant...
Quality Control Department - ... I wonder what is in the creative quality control department...
salesman - ...
You somehow present the plant in a Hollywood way... most likely you (let me assume) are a manager at the enterprise or were one...
Of course, you can approach any problem creatively... but this does not mean that the specialty becomes creative...

about robots, this is certainly beautiful... but where are they?... and if they are not there, who will do their work?
or, since there are no robots, maybe let's stop the factories?.. let's save the youth... let them sip beer and smoke slut in the entrances... although no... let them stare at the monitor...
and the best thing is to let them study to become accountants and lawyers... they will then work in jackets... for 5 kopecks...
if you're lucky...
...and the machines will work themselves... and the excavators will drive themselves..
although... why do we really need machines?... we’ll buy everything in China or somewhere else...
that’s where we use young people... we don’t have enough hucksters... we’ll just buy and resell...

[aksakal]

Quote: Vasilich

You somehow present the plant in a Hollywood way... most likely you (let me assume) are a manager at the enterprise or were one...

- I wasn’t a manager all the time, I started as a turner’s apprentice, we heard about such a profession, then all the levels of turner up to the fifth grade - I didn’t get to the sixth grade, I already became a site manager. You worked at the factory yourself, so what can you prove to me? The same cylindrical part - the norm is 1000 parts per shift - was made by a student. Do you seriously consider this a profession? ME NOT!!!!!! This can be done not even by a robot, but by the most primitive machine, as long as it has a first-generation CNC. This is not a profession for people!

Quote: Vasilich

let's take care of the youth... let them sip beer and smoke shmalt in the hallways... although no... let them stare at the monitor...

- I don’t know what kind of youth you are talking about, but I am talking about those who go to law or finance, less often to technical, but definitely to a university!!!! And after graduating from this university, he looks for a job in his specialty, doesn’t find it, but people like you go to the conveyor belt and turn the same nut. Yes, it’s better to let him get drunk and die under the fence unclaimed than to be like a monkey turning the same nut or, like me, cutting out a thousand parts in 8 hours - I’ve already dreamed about this same type of operation at night, ugh!!!! Here's what I'll say - IT'S GOOD THAT THE USSR COLLAPSE! As I understand it, in the USSR I was destined to cut out the same part all my life, has it already been decided for me? But damn, people like me, now forty-five years old, and then 20 years old, and whooped, in the sense - they destroyed the USSR, Gorbachev didn’t do that, we, twenty-year-olds, did it, called the ruble wooden, and the regime - soviet, and did it!!!! Eat with a spoonful, you won’t be overflowing with gratitude! And I still think they did the right thing. Then it’s not a good idea for me to decide whether I should cut out the same part or try myself in a different field. After the collapse of the USSR, I tried myself in business and in an engineering position - and everything worked out. I AM SATISFIED!!!!! In the USSR, for doing business I would have been called a black marketeer (optionally, a speculator with unearned income) and would have been sent to prison for six years, and for an engineer they would have paid 120 rubles - despite the fact that as a turner I received three hundred! And now an engineer in Almaty receives 2000 at the exchange rate - this is the minimum, and a turner - at most 750, if he does not fulfill the wrong orders, using someone else’s machine for his own purposes. THIS IS TRUE! Because the worker is a primitive animal in an alcoholic T-shirt, sucking down a bottle of vodka in his kitchen, this is his leisure time, he doesn’t have enough imagination for more, and therefore he doesn’t deserve more. And you want to force half of Russia into these workers!!! But try it - I already posted that new productive forces don’t really like being driven into outdated production relations and can respond sharply - and I’ll see who will drive whom else! Try it, I stocked up on popcorn!

Quote: Vasilich

about robots, this is certainly beautiful... but where are they?... and if they are not there, who will do their work?

- contact us! Robots in Kazakhstan are not a question, I’m not talking about Russia. Fund and create demand - you will have robots, Vasilich. To begin with, set the minimum wage for any work, even a janitor, at 25 rubles - and Prokhorov will be the first to run after the robots.

[Vasilić]

Quote: aksakal

- contact us! Robots in Kazakhstan are not a question, I’m not talking about Russia. Fund and create demand - you will have robots, Vasilich. To begin with, set the minimum wage for any work, even a janitor, at 25 rubles - and Prokhorov will be the first to run after the robots.

))) and which of us is one-sided?)
I was talking about the fact that there are no “robotic” enterprises, and not about the impossibility of getting industrial robots... and they don’t exist not because I’m interfering with this process in some way)... believe me, I’m not interfering...
...but why they are not there is another “dark” story...
...I stood behind the conveyor belt...12 hour shift...
and about “a worker is a primitive animal in an alcoholic T-shirt” - then this is disrespect for work... disrespect for the worker, who is from under people like you
mo cleans... and that means you have never been at any machine... but just sat your ass in some office...

[Steppenwolf]

...I am tormented by vague doubts about this +reform+...On the one hand, this is a good initiative, but on the other, I feel that it will turn out the same shit as with the reform of the Ministry of Defense: they wanted to disperse one swamp, but only made a butcher in its place new, but where will we look for another Shoigu, for the RAS?..

[Navy7981]

The status of academicians (REAL) should be clearly higher than that of any “effective managers”. hence the problem - whoever has the money gets the girl to dance. Accordingly, an “effective manager” clutching such loot in a sweaty fist will feel like a “king,” but this should not be the case. Although in Russia Big Science has always been in the corral, which did not prevent, in some way that is not clear to me, not to yield to anyone.

Today, I was driving in the car and listening to comments on the topic. There is a belief that the defenders of this reform have no idea what fundamental science is. That is, if someone is lying on the sofa or under an apple tree, then he will not receive money, but if he invents a beer bottle opener! Then yes, then of course you have to give money. I’m not exaggerating much, but something like this. However, the apologists also said some kind of dregs. It also seems like they don’t understand anything completely. One really interesting phrase said - “one of the elements of the engine of science is fanatical curiosity, supported by knowledge,” but I immediately had a question, with that “unique education reform,” where do we get this knowledge? Look for the Lomonosovs who are ready to walk half the country in bast shoes.
In general, you need to look and think about what they actually want to achieve. I personally don’t understand, although it’s interesting.

[strange and pretty meaningless]

carry out an urgent reform of the Russian scientific system, building it in the American image and likeness, putting it on a business track
The bird language of defective managers. Scientists should be united into “lumpen brigades” - dissenting academicians - “put on skis.”
Fortov’s proposals to give him a chance to carry out the reform of the scientific system that was worked out in the expert community of scientists, Putin generally left unanswered
No chance, sir. Nothing personal - it's just business. Don't expect answers.

Quote: SteppenWolf

...I am tormented by vague doubts about this +reform+...

Stirlitz was walking arm in arm with radio operator Kat. Shots rang out - Kat swayed and fell. Stirlitz WAS ALERT.