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Who is the loser in the cold war?

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Who is the loser in the cold war?



The Iron Curtain is the initiative of a European loser in the Second World War (loss of a significant part of the territory, devastation, failure to achieve the goals of the war, concessions to the winner in the territory, agreement to the governments disliked by the West) to isolate themselves from the winner. And Churchill spoke about this for the first time, at a lecture at an American university. The curtain fenced off Europe from the expansion of the ideas of communism (in their frightened opinion, the entire Warsaw bloc is communism), and from thoughts that are harmful to the West from the victorious USSR. Then, oh, how the iron curtain saved; there was still no global information space without borders, plus the Babylonian problem of languages.

As a result, the USSR mainly (before Khrushchev) focused * inside itself * on clarifying the issue of establishing social justice, and its implementation in practice. Or otherwise, the establishment of true proportions, for the labor expended and the values ​​created by labor, to their payment for these works, expressed in a generalized unit, referred to all the real values ​​of the entire USSR. (the latter is the mathematical expression of public ownership of the means of production, natural resources and the available life benefits). Inside the USSR, he did it, even with mistakes.

Then the West in 90 for some reason decided that the danger of socialist ideas for the Western world was over, and the Iron Curtain, from the West, was proposed to be dismantled. The naive idea of ​​the West is now clear that it is enough to buy the top of the CPSU, headed by Gorbachev, as the entire civilization on the territory of the USSR immediately accepts the eurovalue of acquisitiveness and the permissibility of coups, violence, and robbery in neo-colonies. Probably also with the expectation that the new corrupt Western-liberal government of Russia will again allow Russian workers to pump vast amounts of valuable resources to the West with their help and through their territory, like it was 100 years ago.

But the expected consequences of the fall of the iron curtain do not coincide with the facts.

Civilization "Russia", after historical “microseconds” at age 20, she began to examine the entire globe now with a view to establishing * on it * social justice and the rule of law, and not just inside the USSR. That is, the information and those ideas from the USSR, which the West was afraid of in its society to death, and which lowered the iron curtain to protect against them, are now spreading not only to the territory of the West, but also to the entire globe, thanks to global informatization.

At the same time, a defeat could be called such a factual situation, when the West dictates its assessments, and on the basis of these assessments forces us to take collective decisions in our own interests. But again, this is not the case. Estimates of the West, for example, for Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya, Syria, are not perceived without objections from authoritative and powerful on the world map. Only the strong, such as China or Russia, can object to the West and Co. The situation in practice is this: if you want to act by military means without a coordinated assessment with all countries, go ahead, with a song. But you will receive an assessment in the world community as aggressors, and you will receive a lot of evidence of the robbery of your actions and lies beyond the expected, the iron curtain is not there. The world is looked at by millions of lens holes that keep traces of your activity and artifacts in social networks and distributed repositories.

For me, it is clear that the West and the USA have miscalculated. As it turned out, the public consciousness in Russia is not formed by the opposition, bought with printed US dollars. Rolling on them like cheese in oil in Russia. Non-gangsters in other countries (Afghanistan, Yugoslavia, Syria, Libya) lured by printed dollars will make the election of leaders legitimate in the eyes of the public. And it is certainly not the false rhetoric of the corrupt top, as in Afghanistan, or as the CPSU, headed by Gorbachev, that determines the consciousness of society. This consciousness relies on something more stable and deep.

Now a good mine is made for a bad game. The game did not work out. They took off the Iron Curtain, but what was for this a solid foundation? The fact that the traitor Gorbachev assured that he knew his people for sure that in the USSR people simply wanted to acquire, deribate, crush, saw, water their ancestors with mud, dance and ape in churches, and together would return the LGBT community to represent family values. That backwardness and primitiveness in thinking came to light when assessing two social processes. West thinks colonial stamps, where sales leaders, hung with beads and mirrors, decide everything. Where to dig, where to drill, and how many unsuspecting tribesmen to send with good uncles into slavery. In short, Europe and Co. believed that they had finally bought Russian civilization, and in a very reliable, proven, colonial way - by buying the native leaders.

So, removed the curtain, and thus released the Russian Bear. And Bear took it and began to demand order on the planet.

In my opinion, here it is obvious that the West is now engaged in self-suggestion “everything is good, everything goes according to plan”, calling Russia a loser, and Putin - a tyrant-tyrant among the populous European values ​​(po-Gorbachev). We seem to overestimate Europe, as if it has a plan. They don’t have a plan for themselves whatsoever, and with regard to Russians, they apparently seriously believe that it is enough to once again show the freedom to organize gay parades and bring creacles to Bolotnaya, like Putin’s bloody regime will fall.

Need to be more serious guys. Not Putin, so different, not this one earlier, so different later, but it was realized the demand in society for the protection of the dignity of their state, and the protection of the state itself. Liberal-creative foam in information space was asleep, and the monitoring of public sentiment showed in what way and with what gesture the people escorted the Berezovsky, Gorbachevs, Gaidar-Chubais. Not for the future they will go pineapples and grouse. And plus, society seems to have remembered that the state is being created for their own protection.

So who is the loser here? And the one whose plans collapsed and who was in deep crisis, despite the fact that repeating the somersault with the pumping of the Papuans with beads and mirrors in exchange for their real resources will not work, this card is a bit. And this is a complete fiasco of Europe and Co. at the end of the Cold War.

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The West seems to be beginning to realize that with declaring himself a winner in the Cold War, he clearly hurried. The Cold War, the lowering of the Iron Curtain by the Church before the Soviet bloc, was originally a war against the idea of ​​communism, which, by its own stupidity, was transformed into a war against the carrier of the idea. This is a logical loss, and in reality - a loss, which history shows.

After all, the very same ideas of communism:

* "who does not work shall not eat.",
* "mass production - in public ownership, and
apartments, yachts, Mercedes or villas - in private ",
* anti-racism
* anti-Nazism
* anti-money printing bank fraud => hidden inflation
tax on all property of the population, on their cash deposits, and their salary,
definition of capitalism: "creating the conditions when 85% of the population are forced

work on 8 hours just for the necessary life benefits, for
providing 15% bathing in luxury (condition for the existence of capitalism) "
and so forth and so forth ...

the same ideas began to spread throughout the world at a breakneck pace, some time after the iron curtain was removed from the USSR. In its confidence in the "victory", the West disarmed before the idea of ​​an opposite social order for the planet, putting, by its stupidity, the sufficiency of the fact that once the carrier of the opposite idea is economically defeated, then this is equivalent to the very idea of ​​being ashamed. But the economic loss of 85% of the population of a particular country under capitalism, or 85% of the population of a single planet, is just a fact in support of the definition and principle of capitalism.

In view of ignorance or lack of awareness, for 85% of the population of a single country, paradise conditions are shown for 15% of the population in the countries of the "golden billion" of a single planet. This Fact, we agree, unequivocally shows that the society "15%" lives with chic.

But no fact explains, and in general, fact cannot explain why. A fact can disprove (a counterexample) or substantiate (a hypothesis). Explains the indication of a generalization, a strictly logical reasoning on facts and further interpolation (the principle of induction). And just the definition and principle of capitalism "85 / 15" shows why those 85% listeners live poorly. But they, taking advantage of their ignorance in logic and mathematics, are presented with this fact as if it follows from them that they do little work, do not work well, and are fundamentally incapable of working otherwise. But after all, it does not follow logically.

In the countries of the “golden billion,” where the 15% is concentrated, a part of those living well under capitalism on the planet, invented the theory of inferiority of the 85% of the part of the population that lives worse to explain. At first, in the period of inhuman colonialism, the West gave the task to its pseudo-scientists to justify the racial inferiority of the population of the colonies. With the filing of these pseudo-scholarships in the 15% society, there was controversy about whether the natives have a soul, or whether they are simply humanoid cattle. The very bourgeois population of the society "15%" made bestial, from such reasoning.

Then the pseudo-scientists made the label "economists-scientists", and set them the task of justifying with national, cultural, and other non-essential signs the alleged "inability" of 85% society to operate as efficiently and qualitatively as the idle 15% supposedly works. Further, these pseudo-scholars continue to drag out their explanations of the bad life of society "85%" by the lack of democratic values, European values, and even some mythical ideas in their minds. When the ideas of values ​​ended, the ideas of abominations, incest, pedophilia, and bestiality came to the fore. The main thing is that these unacceptable ideas explain the inaccurate, inefficient clumsy people from the “85%” society, which is why they are not doing well.

An iron curtain from the idea of ​​a different social order was needed, in 30-40. A placebo effect survey was actually conducted among Americans. A newspaper ad was given:
... at the beginning of 30, the Soviet firm Amtorg announced a recruitment of specialists to work in the USSR, for a small Soviet salary, more than 100 thousand (!) applications from Americans were submitted for these vacancies. [a source]

Not only simple workers had a positive view of the USSR in the 30-40 years. Not only in that environment were the ideas of the new social order popular. Today they will be called "agents." But the fact that this trend is objective - to see the USSR as an advanced social system - is confirmed by the fact that such an assessment was at the highest levels, among the US government:

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/our-american-pravda/

During the 1930s and 1940s. For example, when he was on his case, he negotiated the county lawsuit. Johnny Haynes, Harley Klehr, and other scholars have consistently established that they’ve been scale suggested by Sen. Joseph McCarthy, often credits his position.
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For example, it was a matter of fact, that the United States bloody economist was influenced by Communist agents. ..

As usual, the fool is at war with the bearer of the idea when there is nothing to say logically. The West could not logically deny anything in the communist and Marxist ideas explaining the principle of capitalism "85 / 15", and decided on a stupid idea: to declare not the ideas of the USSR false, but the USSR an evil empire.

Logically, “everything comes from somewhere” (the law of causality). Evil has a source of lies, which is tantamount, evil is a consequence of a cause, a lie. The investigation without a reason does not happen. Therefore, it is necessary to refute the lie. But a lie is an idea, and is refuted solely by mental reasoning. At the same time, the translation of the reasoning from the subject (evil idea), on the subject of personality (the carrier of evil) is primitive sophism.

Now, the loss of the West in the Cold War is obvious to the most important segment of the population of the former USSR, numbering in 85%. (if one still does not confuse evidence for consciousness with the unwillingness to explicitly recognize it, then everything is clear and 99%). It is obvious to everyone, from my old parents who did not really complain about the USSR system, to the new generation who had never seen the USSR — the West is lying, and the one who is lying is the enemy.

Despite the fact that the definition of capitalism and the principle that motivates it to act, is more and more obvious to the population, even without strict scientific wording, the West has been defeated in the ideological confrontation. The most passionate part of the former USSR, after experimenting in a single taken country and some countries of the Eastern bloc of Europe, is ready to undertake the reorganization of the entire planet. But the Iron Curtain is no longer there, instead of it there is a global and open information space, and it will be the battle of ideas in it. The ideas of Lenin, Marx and others - "good communism and bad capitalism", against the opposite idea.

The West is now in the same position as Hitler, who, declaring the war against Bolshevism (idea), in reality, replaced it with a simple murder of the carriers of this idea and the robbery seizing their land and property. This logical error has ended with the chopping into pieces of the erroneous and burying it in the ground as fertilizer. And now, when the repeated "Drang Nach Osten" is incredible, due to the presence of nuclear weapons on the head of the aggressor, and the population with a thousand-year-old skill to defeat the aggressors, the West has no chance of keeping its system of metropolises on the planet.
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  1. experienced
    experienced 4 July 2013 09: 07 New
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    War is such that victory there can sometimes be no better than defeat. In the Cold War, the USSR lost, treason, the purposeful work of special services, an unbalanced economy ... We lost and for a long time we paid indemnity for this. Now the next "war" begins, let's see ... Russia is "gaining strength", has acquired allies and "levers", the United States is in trouble, Europe is "spreading ... each other", so probably (Russia) we have a good attempt at revenge hi
    1. Kremlin
      Kremlin 4 July 2013 09: 13 New
      -2
      I don’t think that revenge with our “friends” with Tajikistan, etc. can lead to something good FOR US!
    2. Reddragon
      Reddragon 4 July 2013 14: 38 New
      +2
      Revenge? We sit at home, eat popcorn and look at the extinction of the "victorious" winked
      1. albert
        albert 4 July 2013 21: 26 New
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        As Pavka Korchagin said, “You will die without our sabers, from cocaine.”
  2. Kremlin
    Kremlin 4 July 2013 09: 12 New
    +1
    The loser is human stupidity, why does everyone not want to live peacefully !?
  3. prophetic
    prophetic 4 July 2013 09: 17 New
    +5
    when will we get the damned capitalists
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 4 July 2013 09: 37 New
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      Quote: prophetic
      when will we get the damned capitalists


      When we return to the socialist system and the Stalin Constitution.
      1. baltika-18
        baltika-18 4 July 2013 10: 12 New
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        Quote: Egoza
        When we return to the socialist system and the Stalin Constitution.

        The only true commentary on the topic is “The Cold War and the victory in it.” The meaning of the Cold War is the confrontation of systems (socialist and capitalist). And the victory in the Cold War is only one revival of the socialist system. Everything else is evil.
        1. alicante11
          alicante11 4 July 2013 11: 57 New
          +7
          Socialism and capitalism have nothing to do with it. They went to the "osten" long before Lenin and Stalin. And now, too, we are not far from socialism. They need Russia - “carved” on their butcher “chessboard”.
          1. Che
            Che 4 July 2013 19: 04 New
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            Article +. I read with interest, directly expressed my thoughts expressed in a digestible form. Well, according to any future, other values ​​are by no means Western. LGBT, tolerance and other der - o.
      2. Yeraz
        Yeraz 4 July 2013 11: 45 New
        -14
        Quote: Egoza
        When we return to the socialist system and the Stalin Constitution.

        thanks to her. because they are weird oddity will be more than one generation.
        1. alicante11
          alicante11 4 July 2013 11: 59 New
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          In fact, what the "communists" have so far been homegrown oligarchs are drinking on the marshalls and there is still something to drink.
          1. Yeraz
            Yeraz 4 July 2013 14: 20 New
            -5
            Quote: alicante11
            In fact, what the "communists" have so far been homegrown oligarchs are drinking on the marshalls and there is still something to drink.

            Well, homegrown oligarchs produce and sell the country's resources, or the Communists came up with oil and gas, or it was impossible to find them without them.
            White won Russia would have been much more progressive than the Communists, who destroyed their own stupidly in suspicion of committing an act, not to mention otherwise.
            Right now, too, let a couple of millions go hungry, make a couple of million more in prisons for free and other things, see what the economy will have.
            The title of the article was initially stupid, the USSR did not, and the United States has a rather strong USA.
            Soon there will be an article who lost in the Second World War.
            I don’t understand why such articles are allowed.
            1. alicante11
              alicante11 4 July 2013 16: 04 New
              +3
              Yeah, and who built the towers with which they pump their oil and gas, pipelines through which it all goes to Europe? Who explored the reserves? Yes, some things have recently begun to build too. But ... compared to the Soviet legacy - these are trifles.

              White won Russia would have been much more progressive than the Communists, who destroyed their own stupidly in suspicion of committing an act, not to mention otherwise.


              Let's compare WWI and WWII. Their, so to speak, results and course. The first was led by the whites, and the second by the reds. In the first, the Russian imperial army fought the entire 15 and 16 year without shells, receiving the least allies and opponents of weapons, was unable to arrange the release of tanks in normal aircraft volumes. And in the second, the Red Army had avalanches of the most modern tanks and aircraft, we practically did not know the words "shell hunger" even during the evacuation of factories. Well, the results of two wars - compare. And you will be happy.
              If the “whites” had won, then we would not have spoken. In the 40's, your ancestors were rotted in a concentration camp, and my Japs would be decapitated.

              Right now, too, let a couple of millions go hungry, make a couple of million more in prisons for free and other things, see what the economy will have.


              And what do we have, people are not starving? !!! You are not in Courchevel, you live by chance. After all, even in Moscow there are more than ten thousand homeless people. And throughout Russia and even more. So it’s "a couple of millions", just typed. And if you take all those who went "dashing 90-e", then the Stalinist "Holodomor" will seem like child's play.
              About the convicts. And you know that in the Stalinist camps there were a little more people than now, and there were criminals and Bandera and Baltic SS men. About two millions, this is you to SALJEnitser.

              The title of the article was initially stupid, the USSR did not, and the United States has a rather strong USA.
              Soon there will be an article who lost in the Second World War.


              The author does not understand that it was not the USSR that was killed, but Russia, I already wrote about this in detail.
              And the winners in the Second World War are already reviewing your carifans who are ready to blame the Reds for everything.
              1. Yeraz
                Yeraz 4 July 2013 19: 06 New
                +2
                Quote: alicante11
                The author does not understand that it was not the USSR that was killed, but Russia, I already wrote about this in detail.

                Well, of course, Russia was the core of the USSR.
                Quote: alicante11
                And the winners in the Second World War are already reviewing your carifans who are ready to blame the Reds for everything.

                What other carifans)))
                Rewrite, do not rewrite there are facts where the Nazis fought the most, where their main forces were and where they raked the most. Here, everyone just doesn’t need to listen to anyone, he took the data and that’s all. And everyone’s contribution is clear.
                1. alicante11
                  alicante11 5 July 2013 01: 24 New
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                  What other carifans)))
                  Rewrite, do not rewrite there are facts where the Nazis fought the most, where their main forces were and where they raked the most. Here, everyone just doesn’t need to listen to anyone, he took the data and that’s all. And everyone’s contribution is clear.


                  And those "carifans" who explained to you that "if White had won ..."
                  Well, they will explain to your descendants who and how much has invested in WWII. A matter of time, money, betrayal and laziness, when you do not want to think with your own head, relying on other people's judgments.
            2. Ribwort
              Ribwort 4 July 2013 16: 22 New
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              Quote: Yeraz
              Right now, too, let a couple of millions go hungry, make a couple of millions in prisons work for free

              And sooner or later this may all end. It's just that those who are now in power, foreseeing something like that, will make their feet in time. And the next leader will get raking. Well, and all the cones, as usual, then sprinkle on him. An example is the same Stalin.
              1. alicante11
                alicante11 5 July 2013 01: 29 New
                +1
                Yes, I'm afraid that here you can’t do with two llamas already. We have more bureaucrats more than a lama already. And every second, if not every first, is a candidate for the Stalinist Gulag. And the cops in the army skins? And what about the top management of the “natural monopolies”, 90% of people from the stage, 90% of the priests who from the Russian Orthodox Church created the Russian Orthodox Church, well, I’m not talking about homeless people who need to be socialized.
            3. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 4 July 2013 16: 42 New
              +1
              Quote: Yeraz
              communists came up with oil and gas, or without them it was impossible to find them

              in order to get it now, first you had to find it, build pipelines, factory factories, train specialists for them, prepare specialists for human beings, so immediately rockets started to fall
        2. Bashkaus
          Bashkaus 4 July 2013 13: 26 New
          +1
          thanks to her. because they are weird oddity will be more than one generation. Probably do not want to share their benefits? ;) You are so good, the smartest, the most hardworking, or the rest is ordinary.
          1. Yeraz
            Yeraz 4 July 2013 14: 13 New
            +2
            Quote: Bashkaus
            Probably do not want to share their benefits? ;) You are so good, the smartest, the most hardworking, or the rest is ordinary.

            No, I’m for the prosperity of the people, I just don’t want in the 21st century for my opinion, which is possible to disagree with the opinion of the top leadership, together with all my relatives, to be in nearby lands.
            1. neri73-r
              neri73-r 4 July 2013 16: 21 New
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              I just don’t want in the 21st century for my opinion, which is possible to disagree with the opinion of the top leadership, together with all my relatives, to be in near lands.



              Rave!!!! Who are you so brainwashed for ..... washed? I was born in the USSR and lived in it until 20 years old, something I don’t remember! hi
            2. uhu189
              uhu189 4 July 2013 17: 35 New
              +1
              Dear Yeraz, You are now raising an extremely controversial topic. If you focus on series such as Shtrafbat and Solzhenitsyn’s novels, then yes, of course. But if you start to look at the documents, then far from everything is not so clear. Yes, a lot of people sat down on denunciations at Yagoda and Yezhov. But of this amount, under Beria, quite a lot were rehabilitated, and comrades Yagoda and Yezhov and their teams themselves were shot for their "deeds," and they somehow forget about it. Yes, and you think about those times with the framework of modernity, and this is not very applicable - then the situation was a little different, and the state had really many enemies. After the war, the economic situation was simply catastrophic, there were huge demographic losses, but after all, they restored the economy, established agriculture, and even pulled eastern Europe on themselves. From a managerial point of view, the task was solved simply fantastic, nothing like this either in the history of Russia or in the history of mankind. Of course, there were excesses, where could I go, but the tasks were an order of magnitude more complicated than even now, and the country coped with this. And now what have 20 years done? Just objectively compare, without a touch of emotions and judgments of liberal mongrels about the bloody regime.
              1. Yeraz
                Yeraz 4 July 2013 18: 59 New
                +2
                Quote: uhu189
                Of course, there were excesses, where could I go now, but the tasks were an order of magnitude more complicated than even now, and the country coped with this. And now what have you done in 20 years? Just objectively compare, without a touch of emotions and judgments of liberal mongrels about the bloody regime.

                no, nobody says that the USSR was not good, and the current angels, I can’t stand the current angels. It’s just that the USSR is not there, and it wasn’t because of the weakness of the system and the party’s dictatorship.
                Right now, other times you don’t need to dream about the USSR. You need to create new things and take the best moments from there, and not try to copy the ruined building and constantly say here Stalin and something else. It will not be fun at all if you do not agree with the opinion of this Stalin, and in the evening together with the whole family in a trailer you will go in an unknown direction stupidly because your thoughts diverged from the party.
                1. uhu189
                  uhu189 4 July 2013 22: 52 New
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                  I agree with you very much, except for the last sentence, and even then I just want to clarify this situation - just understand that it was not Stalin who put people in the camps, but these people were surrounded by “especially vigilant” people who, without a twinge of conscience, informed and they leaked everything they could, and the same particularly vigilant investigators out of the blue, taking advantage of the difficult situation in the country, inflated cases from these denunciations. The question of the camps is not a question of Stalin, it is a question of the worst qualities of the Russian people that manifested themselves during this period ... But I dare to assure you that those who did not leave for cars in Siberia didn’t leave in droves. Maybe in some cases it happened, but not on a massive scale. Please do not listen to all this nonsense that liberal human rights activists say from the screens. If it’s interesting, then I can tell one real story on the topic of “repression,” I heard it from my grandfather, it’s very revealing, I think it was very often like that in those days
                  1. Yeraz
                    Yeraz 5 July 2013 15: 35 New
                    +2
                    Quote: uhu189
                    that it was not Stalin who put people in camps, but in their environment these people were "especially vigilant",

                    In Russia there is such a trick, the tsar is not to blame for all the boyars. I won’t argue because in the age of lack of technology they could have composed, but imagined that anyone had the courage to have Stalin ... nah ...
                    But this is clearly not the case with the current age of information technology.
                    Quote: uhu189
                    If it’s interesting, then I can tell one real story on the topic of “repression,” I heard it from my grandfather, it’s very revealing, I think it was very often like that in those days

                    Very interesting, write to me in private messages.
            3. alicante11
              alicante11 5 July 2013 01: 30 New
              0
              Now you can’t be there? How old are you that you believe in fairy tales about “freedom of speech”?
              1. Yeraz
                Yeraz 5 July 2013 15: 32 New
                +2
                Quote: alicante11
                Now you can’t be there?

                I can go out and say Putin this way and for this I will not end up in the trailer with my family.
                The level of freedom of speech is still higher right now, the difference is that right now the sanctions are several times lower, but the result is that they do what they want without being interested in the opinion of the people. The whole party decided there, it’s also a small circle and they are equally violet on opinion of the people.
        3. rodevaan
          rodevaan 6 July 2013 06: 50 New
          0
          And what do you personally disentangle, let me inquire?
      3. Albert1988
        Albert1988 4 July 2013 15: 45 New
        0
        Yes, they seem to finish off themselves if they continue at the same pace)
      4. Ribwort
        Ribwort 4 July 2013 16: 14 New
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        Quote: The USSR mainly focused * within itself * on clarifying the issue of establishing social justice, and its implementation in practice.
        I agree ...
        Quote: The civilization "Russia", after a historic "microsecond" of 20 years, has now begun to examine the entire globe for the establishment of * on it * social justice and the rule of law ...
        But from this moment in more detail: that is, we have now come the era of social justice and the rule of law ??? We have kept all the best that we got from the USSR ??? Or will we export “this” without having an idea about it in our own country? Honestly, I don’t understand ...
        Quote: "And the Bear took and began to demand order on the planet."
        You, they’re beating, restore order in your den. Or at least a miserable semblance of order existing under the USSR!
    2. fisherman
      fisherman 4 July 2013 14: 30 New
      0
      when will we get the damned capitalists


      when all humanity will do this :)
    3. rodevaan
      rodevaan 6 July 2013 06: 49 New
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      Soon, don’t worry. They themselves will eat and "without our sabers", guns and missiles :) Everything goes to this.
  4. FC SKIF
    FC SKIF 4 July 2013 09: 17 New
    +5
    The Cold War is a war of ideas, world consciousness. For 20 years we lost the battle in this field, it is a fact. But now preparations are underway for a new battle, so are minor skirmishes. I wonder how they will lie against our truth with their lies, with the maximum availability of information?
    1. baltika-18
      baltika-18 4 July 2013 10: 02 New
      +5
      Quote: FC Skiff
      The Cold War is a war of ideas, world consciousness.

      This is true. The war of ideas and worldviews. The capitalist and socialist models.
      And what kind of cold war is it now? The systems are the same, the ideological content is the same (maximizing profit from everything). They are already fighting for money hot.
      Quote: FC Skiff
      how they will fight against our truth with their lies,

      I have known about their lies since Soviet times.
      But about our current truth, something does not know what it is, tell me, if you have something to say?
      1. Albert1988
        Albert1988 4 July 2013 15: 51 New
        +2
        Quote: baltika-18
        I have known about their lies since Soviet times.
        But about our current truth, something does not know what it is, tell me, if you have something to say?

        Our truth is that we are just Russia. And this is exactly what annoys our dear adversaries. And if you look more broadly, they fought not so much with the idea of ​​socialism as with Russia itself, which they could not finish off, now go and get angry now.
      2. FC SKIF
        FC SKIF 4 July 2013 17: 05 New
        +3
        According to BARB, the UK’s nationwide TV rating measurement system, RT is watched weekly by over half a million (555 thousand) people over four years old. At the same time, the monthly audience of RT exceeds 1,3 million people, and the quarterly audience is almost 2,5 million. Thanks to this, RT is two times ahead of Euronews, three times ahead of the popular American television channel Fox News, and also ahead of the number of viewers in Qatar by Al Jazeera English
        This is our Katyusha in the info war. The main thing is not only stupidly defending itself, it is always justifying itself, but it is actively explaining the position of Russia. This is only the first swallow.
    2. velikoros-xnumx
      velikoros-xnumx 4 July 2013 12: 34 New
      +2
      Quote: FC Skiff
      We lost the battle in this field for 20 years, this is a fact

      Yes, we lost the battle, not the war. And it was not the people who lost the battle, not the idea, but the top-selling party-nomenclature.
      1. fisherman
        fisherman 4 July 2013 14: 36 New
        -1
        and the top partnomenclature sold.


        and many people supported them, and not just some artists, speculators, waiters, farmers ...
        1. Tartary
          Tartary 4 July 2013 16: 09 New
          +2
          Quote: fisherman
          and the top partnomenclature sold.


          and many people supported them, and not just some artists, speculators, waiters, farmers ...


          The overwhelming majority of the people then voted for the preservation of the USSR — that is what you would know!

          At the same time, people welcomed the reforms - this is a fact. However, nobody dreamed of such a thing that happened in the 90s and could not imagine even in the wildest nightmare ...
          1. fisherman
            fisherman 4 July 2013 16: 38 New
            0
            The overwhelming majority of the people then voted for the preservation of the USSR — that is what you would know!


            I know about it, because I myself voted for the USSR

            "neoliberalism - this is another reprint of Bolshevism" J. Stiglitz

            Bolshevism, not to be confused with Marxism, an aggressive minority

            their usual deception and substitution of concepts

            people pecked at this trick (vivid packaging of Western life)

            while everyone thought that the USSR would remain ...
  5. YaRusich
    YaRusich 4 July 2013 09: 18 New
    +5
    I don’t understand the meaning of the article, a lot of water and everything is far-fetched. The Soviet Union lost the answer (yes, because of the humpbacked and co), but the USSR is no longer there, and the point, sadly, is.

    And then the game begins, like our sports commentators, Yes, our team lost and took 6th place, but still we were the strongest and won and in general there is 1 Russian in the winning team, which means we won !! (irony wink ).

    And now there is a completely different cold war. And I hope our country will take into account all the mistakes of previous wars.
    And I really hope for a criminal law for buggers.
  6. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 4 July 2013 09: 23 New
    +9
    Theoretically, they seemed to have won the United States, they even looted the medal “for victory in the Cold War,” but in reality it somehow turned out clumsy, the world was neither better nor safer, China grew up behind the USSR, Russia was taken to shit in the 90s, pushing away from us forever and receiving another rival, already without illusions about the West and finally at the end of this very cold war, they released the genie of world terrorism from the bottle, which, for lack of other goals, clung to the throat of the Americans themselves, they have only the illusion of control, although the Americans got a handful of loud satellites for themselves whose value is very doubtful. The Americans still did not understand that one could seize someone’s freedom only by calming their conscience. In Russia, it turned out just the opposite, that’s why Americans are constantly paranoid looking around constantly waiting a stab in the back from the whole world as a whole and from some countries in particular, here you have spying for the allies, for everyone in a row.
    1. rolik
      rolik 4 July 2013 12: 38 New
      +5
      Quote: Standard Oil
      .And in Russia it turned out just the opposite, that is why the Americans are forced to constantly look paranoid constantly expecting a blow to the back from the whole world and from some countries in particular, here you are spying on the allies, all in a row.

      Americans, unfortunate for them, do not really like the story of geography. Otherwise, Bismarck’s words about the Russians would be remembered in time. The fact that the Russians always take back what is rightfully theirs. They are guided not by empty pieces of paper with Jesuit treaties written on them, but by a position of conscience and honor. In principle, it is not surprising why mattresses do not understand this. Because in their understanding of conscience and honor, they always have a monetary equivalent of expression. But in this world, as yet, not everything can be calculated in monetary terms and equated to it. Therefore, we will always be morally and spiritually superior to former convicts and gallows, even with all their attempts to kill it in us. As a thin stalk of grass pierces through a thick layer of asphalt, so our self-awareness begins to pierce that layer of garbage that the conductors of the so-called cultural values ​​of the Western world have piled on us and continue to tumble.
  7. pensioner
    pensioner 4 July 2013 09: 24 New
    +5
    And the cold war is not over yet! So the question of the winner is still open. And communist ideas will conquer the world.
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  9. Grigorich 1962
    Grigorich 1962 4 July 2013 09: 30 New
    +6
    In the collapse of the USSR lost the whole WORLD ..... so much blood was shed ... horror
    1. rolik
      rolik 4 July 2013 15: 10 New
      +1
      Quote: Grigorich 1962
      In the collapse of the USSR lost the whole WORLD ..... so much blood was shed ... horror

      In this world there is always YIN and there is always YAN. Remove one of the opposites and the world will skew to one side. There is always a predator and a hunter for this predator, a hunter can kill a virus, a virus can kill an antivirus. And so on to infinity. The mattress deaths of the USSR were in vain rejoiced, in return they got China, now Russia is also getting on its feet. Instead of one opponent, two. Not counting Iran and other characters. who want ovskiy krovushki.
  10. slaventi
    slaventi 4 July 2013 09: 31 New
    +9
    As long as Russia and the West, led by the United States, exist, the Cold War is not over.
    Russia will have allies in this war. Victory will be ours!
  11. lewerlin53rus
    lewerlin53rus 4 July 2013 09: 38 New
    11
    The Cold War is not over; it is in full swing. But “The Battle of Moscow” we have already won Ahead of “Stalingrad”, “Kursk.” We will be in Washington Berlin
    1. Kremlin
      Kremlin 4 July 2013 09: 47 New
      +1
      are you sure? NATO and the Russian Federation are not equal things ... unfortunately ... we do not have true patriotism ... if there is a disagreement within the country ... it’s like FRAGNITION AT THE GOLDEN Horde!
      1. stroporez
        stroporez 4 July 2013 12: 15 New
        +3
        but WE will stand ......... if only because we have NO other option .........
    2. baltika-18
      baltika-18 4 July 2013 10: 22 New
      +1
      Quote: lewerlin53rus
      The Cold War is not over; it is in full swing. But the “Battle for Moscow” we have already won Ahead of “Stalingrad”, “Kursk.” We will also be in Berlin “Washington”

      Question, answer if there is a desire.
      What do you mean by the expression “Battle for Moscow”, and by all the others the same. What events?
      1. Bashkaus
        Bashkaus 4 July 2013 13: 35 New
        +2
        I mean by the “battle for Moscow” I mean the treacherous invasion of liberal and democratic values, which burst into our minds like a hurricane (I’m not speaking in our country). in the late 80s, the trouble was that we suddenly realized that we can a-do what we want, and b-say what we want, we were confused by a good European standard of living and torn jeans. We left our positions (how many communists and Komsomol members remained so?). But suddenly we realized that we were crushed by the head. Russia began to gather and regroup figuratively retreating units, these were zero years. Around the 8th year in Georgia, we took a defensive position and began to stand to death. Actually now, in fact, a situation is developing similar to December 41st. In Syria, we not only stand to die, but also begin to counterattack. Biting, pricking, clinging wherever possible. Note that the West is no longer comfortable, but woe to him, when the Russians go on a general offensive ...
        I somehow see alligoria
      2. lewerlin53rus
        lewerlin53rus 4 July 2013 20: 53 New
        0
        Quote: baltika-18
        What do you mean by the expression “Battle for Moscow”, and by all the others the same. What events

        Already below answered.
    3. T80UM1
      T80UM1 4 July 2013 14: 30 New
      +1
      "Stalingrad" is Ukraine Belarus and Kazakhstan in this context ...
      "Kursk" is the Mediterranean and Baltic Seas, the Arctic and Pacific Oceans and Latin America
  12. bomg.77
    bomg.77 4 July 2013 09: 46 New
    +4
    Yes, the Americans stood near Moscow, but the war will end in Washington.
  13. pawlo77
    pawlo77 4 July 2013 09: 49 New
    +4
    we were always beaten .... but we defeated everyone.
  14. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 4 July 2013 10: 12 New
    +5
    I don’t know who will like this comparison or not, but modern Russia can be compared in some way with the Weimar Republic, because Germany in World War I also crashed not on the battlefield, but thanks to the Entente’s propaganda and its own liberals. The situation after the war is similar, no one satisfied, an externally imposed democracy that died immediately after the arrival of a strong and charismatic person in the person of Adolf Hitler, who could offer the embittered Germans an Idea, is it good or bad another question. In Russia, we even have our own Hindenburg-Putin, which cannot offer anything and it’s just stupidly going by inertia with a bunch of oligarchs. Russia also does not have any Idea, but there is some amorphous democracy that is despised by the majority of the population and which will be swept away when a strong personality emerges that can lead people, until, unfortunately, this is not observed.
    1. baltika-18
      baltika-18 4 July 2013 10: 27 New
      +2
      Quote: Standard Oil
      Russia can be compared in some way with the Weimar Republic,

      The original comparison.
      Quote: Standard Oil
      .In Russia, we even have our own Hindenburg-Putin, which has nothing to offer and just stupidly goes by inertia with a bunch of oligarchs. Russia also does not have any Idea, but there is some amorphous democracy that the majority of the population despises and which will be swept away when a strong personalities who can lead people

      And what is most surprising, all this is really very similar.
      1. velikoros-xnumx
        velikoros-xnumx 4 July 2013 12: 40 New
        +4
        The analogy is certainly not complete, there is something similar, but Putin and Hindenburg have completely different political personalities and weight. I want to believe that Putin has not yet said his last word, that he has something to offer his people.
        1. Bashkaus
          Bashkaus 4 July 2013 13: 38 New
          0
          I would suggest a gasp in the west)))
          1. lewerlin53rus
            lewerlin53rus 4 July 2013 20: 57 New
            0
            Quote: Bashkaus
            I would suggest a gasp in the west)))

            Wait a minute, colleague. here it is necessary to be thinner. Otherwise, we will become an aggressor. It is necessary to contribute a little and they themselves will sprinkle. So what is patience, my friend, patience.
  15. silver_roman
    silver_roman 4 July 2013 10: 53 New
    +2
    This consciousness relies on something more stable and deeper.

    and this something deep is much deeper than consciousness, which is so easy to change. it is in our genes, sewn into DNA, in our history, which we know and know that it is true.
    So they’ll do it, but they won’t be able to change the Russian soul, let alone understand .. there’s not enough sin!
  16. serge-68-68
    serge-68-68 4 July 2013 10: 54 New
    -5
    The article is erroneous in both premises and conclusions.
  17. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 4 July 2013 11: 08 New
    0
    Check, comment is not inserted.
  18. ed65b
    ed65b 4 July 2013 12: 22 New
    +1
    Article plus for the last paragraph. you could no longer write.
  19. alicante11
    alicante11 4 July 2013 12: 33 New
    +6
    The author of the article does not meet the "balance sheet" for one simple reason. He believes that the Cold War was a battle of socialism and capitalism. But, in fact, the Cold War is a continuation of the war against Russia. This war has not stopped since those memorable times, when the words "Who comes to us with a sword .." were spoken Over all these times, Russia has many times stood on the edge of the abyss. The Time of Troubles, the Petrine Wars and its German occupation of the country, the Napoleonic invasion, the First World War and the Civil War, the Second World War and, finally, the most dangerous of the lost battles - the collapse of the USSR, which almost led to the final solution of the "Russian question" in the style of "good Russian - forgotten Russian." The dismantling of the USSR was to become a prologue to the complete destruction of Russia, which was delayed only by the presence of nuclear weapons in us, which had to be destroyed calmly and safely. After all, the Soviet scenario during the collapse of the Russian Federation would have failed. There would be no nucleus that could safely end the suicide for the West - the destruction of the nuclear arsenal. And, therefore, nuclear weapons could well fall into the hands of some “father Lukashenko,” or a copycat of the North Korean Kim, who, in response to Fushington’s “humanitarian bombing,” would have slammed the democrats between the eyes with these weapons. Therefore, in the ten years that were allotted to the traitor, EBNu, he was supposed to minimize the Soviet arsenal so that during the collapse of Russia, the remaining warheads in different parts of it could be quickly and reliably destroyed, without threatening serious consequences if used .
    But the West miscalculated. It’s stupid, of course, but they did know what capitalist greed was. It was among the benevolent Soviet citizens that plants and factories and land and oil rigs could be hijacked. But the oligarchs, who gnawed each other's throats for them and destroyed an entire country, can take away "property" only with meat, with blood. They were able to create protection for “their” financial empires, which were well-equipped with us, bringing the GDP to power and turning, under his rule, the Russian Federation into a besieged fortress, bristling with the remnants of a nuclear arsenal. A new battle has begun ... another. But in it, as before, nothing good shines. Why? Yes, because Russia is defending all the time. A defense cannot be won. How many more such battles will our country survive? Until now, we were lucky, even those who robbed and killed us protected us. But...
  20. Cat
    Cat 4 July 2013 12: 37 New
    +3
    Who is the loser in the cold war?


    It’s hard to say ... Or rather, it’s impossible to say who lost the Cold War. It is impossible for the reason that this war has not yet ended.
  21. knn54
    knn54 4 July 2013 12: 55 New
    +5
    In 1991, the United States believed in the strength of its system and missed a historic chance to change. They were ruined by the greed and illusion of victory in the Cold War. The West is just frozen. Russia, albeit at the cost of considerable sacrifice, received a UNIQUE chance to revive Russian culture and civilization at a QUALITATELY new level. The United States has become the center of integration of all rabble, and the Russian Federation has become the stronghold of the THINKERS. And, as recent events show, can and should defend its right to exist.
    And the casualties and losses were not in vain. The main thing - they understood what the internal enemy is, and how to deal with it. The war with the internal enemy is the BASIC task for today. Therefore, it is IMPORTANT A NEW development of Russian culture, education, art, legal proceedings ... TODAY we must firmly hold the front and not get carried away by the confrontation, adopting their methods and means from the enemy.
    Of the individual (so far) tactical successes, the FINAL Victory can also be formed.
  22. Fastblast
    Fastblast 4 July 2013 13: 07 New
    +5
    I believe that the war is not lost.
    The battle is lost, but not the war!
    1. Bashkaus
      Bashkaus 4 July 2013 13: 41 New
      +1
      I also think so, the war can be considered lost only after the Russian people ceased to exist. But if I write these lines, then we will fight again. First of all, this is a war mental war
  23. Alexey M
    Alexey M 4 July 2013 13: 12 New
    +1
    The Cold War is a war of two systems: Socialism and capitalism. Like it or not, capital will always lose to socialism. Since there is social inequality, and as a result, people are not happy with this inequality. Hence the revolution, coups, etc. Under socialism, such strong differences between the people are not there so few and not happy.
  24. papss
    papss 4 July 2013 13: 32 New
    +1
    Quote: Cat
    Who is the loser in the cold war?

    It’s hard to say ... Or rather, it’s impossible to say who lost the Cold War. It is impossible for the reason that this war has not yet ended.

    Well, this cannot be said that we lost ... we must be honest with ourselves ... then we will not be defeated again
    defeat results ... (10 points in memory) of the USSR, and of Russia, as a receiver
    1. collapse of the country
    2. The collapse of the economy
    3. The collapse of the socio-cultural ... one world
    4. The collapse and destruction of the army
    5. the loss and surrender of all controlled positions in the world, at the turn of the end of the 90s, Russia, as a receiver, even left where it didn’t enter ...
    6. the payment of permanent contractions ... in the form of assistance, reserves, purchases of securities, essentially the same tribute ...
    7. Control and Western dependence of our industries, extractive industries
    8. even the rampant adoption of offspring, sending them to the west ... also a tribute
    9. all peoples, except in some way, Kazakhstan and Belarus, some part of Ukraine ... our prisoners were captured by the winner. They are assimilated under the Anglo-Saxon world ...
    10. Trade with the world of foreign currency ... in fact, here we pay tribute ... there is a dollar - a tribute to the USA, there is a ruble - a tribute to the USA
    What else can we lose - Russia, as a single state ... The same plans remained ... And all that is connected with these - faith, Slavic peace and identity, resources, nation as such ...
    What is being done ... if I start writing, I will not finish in the evening ... but the work is going on ... All the moments taking place in and around the country, one way or another around these points ... like a bowl of scales ... or we are on 10 points fight off ... or ...
    1. Cat
      Cat 4 July 2013 13: 54 New
      +1
      Quote: papss
      What else can we lose - Russia, as a single state ... The same plans remained ... And all that is connected with these - faith, Slavic peace and identity, resources, nation as such ...

      Exactly! Since there is still something to lose, the war cannot be considered over. And those on the other side of the front, too, do not consider it finished. And they continue to advance.
      Well, all those victories that they already reached ... Hitler, in the fall of 1941, also had no doubts - about "who whom." Well here you go.
      So it is now: no one knows how it will end - no matter how obvious the victory of “theirs” may seem. Russia has already won at least one battle, repulsing a massive attack by homoids. What will happen next - we will see.
  25. Black
    Black 4 July 2013 13: 33 New
    +3
    Now, the West’s loss in the Cold War is obvious

    It is even more obvious that the USSR in this war was generally smeared with a thin layer !!! And walking with fingals under the eyes, boasting of how cleverly we dodged the arsonist should not. And blaming only Gorbachev with the company is also not true system not crumbling by the efforts of a bald, worthless little man. The fall was natural and prepared for decades.
    Gorbachev assured that he knew his people for sure, in the USSR people are simply hungering for money, tearing, crushing, sawing, watering their ancestors with slops, dancing and grimacing in churches
    Yes, it happened !!!! Derbanili, got together, and danced on the coffins !!!!
    This is precisely the loss !!!!

    Another thing is that the West lost. Lost by the fact that there was no ENEMY, there was no reason for consolidation, fear disappeared, power disappeared, and WEAKNESS came with dominance alien, fag ... owls, bankers with creditors ....
    1. alicante11
      alicante11 4 July 2013 13: 42 New
      0
      The system crashes when its top begins to crush it. At the top was a "bald, worthless little man," and even sold to zapadents. What are you talking about, if Gorby himself rings everywhere, that he wanted to destroy the USSR and destroyed it.
  26. Starover_Z
    Starover_Z 4 July 2013 14: 54 New
    0
    It was a "Pyrrhic victory" for everyone, both for the West with the States and for the peoples of the Union, which were sold by the last party nomenclature.
    (I'm not against the ideas of communism, I'm against corrupt executives!)
  27. Idolum
    Idolum 4 July 2013 15: 22 New
    +3
    The USSR did not lose the Cold War! Recall, at least, the SDI program (USA) and the Perimeter (USSR), and who brought what you wanted to mind ("iron").
    And yet: “Oddly enough this will sound to some readers, but the USA lost the arms race of the USSR in almost all types of strategic weapons. Even the arms race imposed on the USSR in the early 80s, the notorious SDI program - Strategic Defense Initiative, the beloved brainchild of Ronald Reagan, It turned out to be a monstrous failure for the military-industrial complex and the US aerospace complex. How is it that many readers will be surprised? After all, the USSR lost the arms race and, accordingly, the United States Cold War. You are mistaken. Rather, you are hammered into your heads, the true thought from the neoliberal press, and this cesspool has dominated the press and television of the USSR and Russia for the past 30 years. Strange as it may seem, the United States itself has overtaken from the arms race imposed on them by outer space. In 1990, conclusions were drawn in the US expert circles working in the field of space technology and weapons about the futility of further promotion of the Star Wars program. In the United States, oddly enough, there used to be many high-class experts in the field of space and weapons. So - these same specialists, in space and weapons, issued an unambiguous verdict, Reagan's favorite toy
    and the US military-industrial complex - SDI failed miserably. These same analysts calculated, if an armed conflict begins, with the USSR, provided the latter uses all types of weapons, the United States will have absolutely no chance of victory, even theoretical. If even these experts in the USA had learned that the program for launching weapons into space, in the USSR, was advancing by leaps and bounds, then their verdict would have been more categorical and unequivocal: the USA will face a total defeat. But history does not know the subjunctive mood. At the helm of the USSR was a weak-willed, conceited and ambitious henpecked, Mikhail Gorbachev. From time immemorial, the folk wisdom of the people of Russia has always been able to give the most
    accurate and capacious definition of their rulers. Mikhail Gorbachev popular rumor “christened” simply “Tagged Judas” and be like him for centuries. The labeled one is waiting in hell with ardent impatience, local rangers, he deserves it. Gorbachev chatted a lot and did little. Now, if his words and deeds did not diverge from deeds, then the USSR would be able to calmly carry out first technical, and then ideological modernization. The USSR had almost everything that was needed for independent development from the rest of the world. If some do not know, then the USSR and the USA in 1990 were two of the most economically developed states in the world. Is funny No, not funny. If the United States was in first place in the world in terms of GDP, about 25% of total world GDP, the USSR was in second place with 12,5% ​​of world GDP. But the figures for GDP are always crafty, what went into the offset of US GDP was never taken into account in the USSR. Others will immediately say weightily and categorically, there were still the countries of Western Europe and of course Japan, the world technological leader of the world of that time. But here is the very opinion that Japan is the technological leader of the time, in some way a mass delusion. Yes, Japan was ahead of the rest in the production of consumer electronics, automobiles and something else. So what? From the point of view of the average layman in the USSR, consumer electronics is the highest technology, but he is also a layman. I, to that, do not be "hamsters" ...