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Do Russians have the right to mention the deportation of the Crimean Tatars 1944

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The reason for my dismissal from the publishing house was the article in the Crimea guide about the Crimean Tatars. Here is the article:


"A genuine catastrophe broke out during the years of the Great Patriotic War. A significant part of the Crimean Tatars met the fascist troops as their liberators. The commander who acted in Crimea11-th army, Erich von Manstein later recalled:
“The Tatars immediately took our side. They saw us as their liberators ... The majority of the population of the Tatar Crimea was very friendly towards us. We even managed to form from the Tatars armed self-defense companies, whose task was to protect their villages from the attacks of partisans hiding in the mountains. ” Some Tatar detachments participated in the search and destruction of partisans, combed the area with the Nazis, because, being local residents, they were perfectly oriented in the Crimean forests. Other Tatar detachments guarded the villages and met with fierce fire from the partisans who had come out of the forest for food.

In the terrible hard for partisans 1942, they lost in the battles 900 people were killed, and those who died of starvation - almost 500, which indicates a catastrophic situation with food supplies. In 1944, immediately after the liberation of the Crimea by the Soviet troops, by order of the USSR leadership, the Crimean Tatars were evicted from the Crimea - mainly to Uzbekistan. Often this resettlement is erroneously called deportation, which is wrong (deportation historically called expulsion from the country, which was not the case with the Crimean Tatars; there was a special relocation). More than 180 thousand people were evicted, including old people and children. The Tatars who fought in the ranks of the Red Army were sent to exile, such were 9 thousand people, and among them were about 500 officers. The return of the Crimean Tatars to the peninsula began only at the end of the 1980-s.

They moved spontaneously to places where no one was waiting for them: they tried to gain a foothold on the coast, where there was a large flow of tourists and there was an opportunity to feed the family, but land on the coast, of course, was not allocated to them. The so-called land squatting began when the buildings were erected without proper documentation. This has further aggravated relations with the population that has been living in Crimea for the last half century. "


I am an editor, and the text is copyright, but I left it unchanged, because there is not a word of untruth, and everything is quite ethical. The administration (the director is Tatar, but not Crimean), after the dismissal of our ambassador, so frightened this paragraph that they decided to destroy the circulation, and I was dismissed, despite the fact that I worked in the publishing house for almost 20 years. And still, I believe that people outside the Crimean peninsula should know what is happening there, even if they go there only to relax and do not read anything except guide books!
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  1. experienced
    experienced 4 July 2013 08: 53
    74
    We have the right to call traitors - traitors and deportation was really needed, no one will keep the 5 column in the frontline zone, which could stab in the back at any time. Amer won the Japanese over the camps and everything is fine, although where they fought and where the United States.
    1. Phantom Revolution
      Phantom Revolution 4 July 2013 11: 22
      30
      They are trying to enroll in the list of "long-suffering people" or "Holocaust in Tatar".
      How disgusting to hear it soon in this situation, the Germans will say that the Russian Federation should pay compensation for the victory of Nazism and fascism.
      1. aviator46
        aviator46 4 July 2013 17: 41
        12 th
        If not the topic is not gundi ...
        Stalin was planning a war with Turkey over the straits.
        He did not need Muslims in the rear.
        Therefore, there was deportation in the Caucasus and the Crimea ..
        In addition to the Tatars, Bulgarians, Greeks, and Armenians were evicted from Crimea.
        1. Avenger711
          Avenger711 4 July 2013 19: 03
          +2
          That is, all those for whom Russia is not their own land, and if so, then the German is not an enemy.
        2. luka095
          luka095 4 July 2013 19: 36
          +3
          Dear aviator46, you are the only one who has information about Stalin's plans for the straits. I wonder where from?
          And further. In addition to the Crimean Tatars, millions of Muslims lived in the USSR and no one deported them.
          1. smersh70
            smersh70 6 July 2013 12: 21
            +1
            Quote: luka095
            millions of Muslims lived and no one deported them.



            who told you this ..- and the Chechens ... and the Kabardins .. and the Meskhetian Turks ...... part of the Azerbaijanis residing on the border with Iran ...... by the way - Armenians and Georgians, for some reason did not send .....
        3. nnz226
          nnz226 4 July 2013 20: 23
          +8
          Yeah! In 1941-42, Stalin just had to think about capturing the straits and Turkey !!! And the Tatars in the Crimea at this time and were noted for their "exploits". Uncle! Do you have brains in your head or your back hemispheres ?! What to carry ?! By the way, since 1980 I have been living in Sevastopol, once I drank in the same company, we had a war veteran with us, who in 1942 was captured at Cape Chersonesus, when the "fathers-commanders" (including the commander of the Black Sea Fleet - Oktyabrsky) abandoned to the mercy of fate 70000 -80000 seasoned fighters. So he said that the prisoners were driven to the camps near Simferopol, where our people found out - it is not clear, but they prayed to God that they were escorted by the Germans, not the Tatar policemen, for none of those columns with the convoy Tatars reached the camp. What I heard, I convey ... Then in 1944, in April, they were released, passed through SMERSH, but without the horror stories told by the liberals, and put back into operation. But since they were still weak after the captivity, they were not thrown into battle for Sevastopol, but in the cordon of Tatar villages and auls, they stood. Fighters of the NKVD went from house to house leading the Tatars out, and they stood around the perimeter so that the locals would not run away. Stova veteran on this occasion: "There was no pity for them!" Although there were both old people and women with children. It looks like it was not just that there was no pity, but for the cause, because in 1945 in Austria he fed the local children, although the Austrians in the Wehrmacht actively participated in all the deeds.
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    3. smel
      smel 4 July 2013 11: 28
      24
      Exactly the Traitor, he is always a traitor. During the war, traitors are shot. So the Crimean Tatars also should be grateful for saving their lives by moving to another place. And yet - the traitor should never be near you, for he will betray again. In this understanding, the enemy, especially the defeated, is better than the traitor.
      1. aviator46
        aviator46 4 July 2013 17: 44
        11 th
        Old people, women and children ... half of whom died in stages and in exile ..
        And how do you differ from a Nazi ???
        1. smel
          smel 4 July 2013 18: 59
          +3
          Patriotism. Respect for their people and their history. Three of the 9 grandfathers from the war came. So that’s what makes me different
        2. Avenger711
          Avenger711 4 July 2013 19: 04
          +2
          Will there be an answer for the rotten bazaar, or again tales about "many corpses"?
        3. luka095
          luka095 4 July 2013 19: 45
          +3
          About the Nazis. It was the Crimean Tatars who collaborated with the Nazis and it was in droves, as described in the article.
          Smel is right - under wartime laws, cooperation with the invaders, participation in executions, including civilians, - was punishable by capital punishment. The shooting was replaced by deportation to Central Asia, thereby violating the then laws.
          All Tatars were not sent into exile, for example, twice the USSR Hero Ahmet Khan Sultan. He fought the whole war, and then was a test.
        4. Denis
          4 July 2013 20: 53
          0
          Quote: aviator46
          Old people, women and children ... half of whom died in stages and in exile ..
          And how do you differ from a Nazi ???
          Those would ALL -ordung-so it seems order
    4. kris
      kris 4 July 2013 19: 59
      +3
      Quote: seasoned
      We have the right to call traitors - traitors and deportation was really needed, no one will keep the 5 column in the frontline zone, which could stab in the back at any time. Amer won the Japanese over the camps and everything is fine, although where they fought and where the United States.

      Tatarva was cut with a knife in a hospital.
      the wounded heads were cut off.
      we now also clean the kalkaz, like Stalin!
    5. StolzSS
      StolzSS 5 July 2013 05: 15
      +2
      YES they were still humanely treated. it was just necessary to destroy it at the root, and the Chechens also needed to be cut back in those years. Now there would not be these problems.
  2. Kremlin
    Kremlin 4 July 2013 08: 58
    +1
    a difficult question ... what about the Volga Germans?
    1. ale-x
      ale-x 4 July 2013 09: 08
      27
      What's wrong with them? In my opinion, they do not consider themselves somehow oppressed? Yes, and Germany accepted and accepts them ... Al no?
      Crimean Tatars did not behave correctly, speaking on the side of the German troops. For which they were relocated ... Deservedly.
      1. Misantrop
        Misantrop 4 July 2013 09: 41
        50
        Quote: ale-x
        Crimean Tatars did not behave correctly, speaking on the side of the German troops. For which they were relocated ... Deservedly.
        The percentage of traitors was such that if the laws of that time were applied to them, the Crimean Tatar ethnos would be virtually destroyed. But, most likely, they would have been destroyed without trial - most of the soldiers who liberated the peninsula had relatives in the Crimea. And, having heard what exactly these "sufferers" were doing, they would hardly have kept themselves within the law. So, in fact, they were simply SAVED by deportation ... request
        1. ale-x
          ale-x 4 July 2013 10: 02
          15
          Yes you are right. I.V. Stalin and Beria actually saved this people from death by assigning them a mild punishment, and, as mentioned above, laid a mine in the present prosperity of Nezalezhnaya.
          1. OTTO
            OTTO 4 July 2013 15: 59
            +7
            Quote: ale-x
            laid a mine in the current well-being of Nezalezhnaya.

            Stalin and Beria could not have dreamed of a terrible dream - Crimea is part of independent Ukraine.
          2. aviator46
            aviator46 4 July 2013 17: 52
            11 th
            50% of deportees died in stages and in the first years of exile ...
            Good salvation ...
            Why did he deport the Volga Tatars, Kazakhs, Armenians ... Russians, Ukrainians and so on ... hundreds of thousands of employees in the Wehrmacht and punitive detachments ..
            1. Avenger711
              Avenger711 4 July 2013 19: 07
              +4
              I have here in Tatarstan from an area of ​​300 thousand people now, and then several times less, 4-5 thousand people haven’t returned from the war, mainly Tatars, so don’t touch the locals, they honestly won back with Russian Ivan Unlike.
            2. Misantrop
              Misantrop 4 July 2013 19: 26
              +2
              Quote: aviator46
              50% of deportees died in stages and in the first years of exile ...

              I don’t know about the first years, but not a single person died during the deportation. At that time, they did not know democracy, the rule was: "If you don't bring a prisoner, you will take his place." That's why they brought EVERYONE
            3. fzr1000
              fzr1000 4 July 2013 22: 38
              -2
              Don't tryndi, balobol.
            4. builder74
              builder74 5 July 2013 07: 11
              +2
              And what about the percentage of traitors, their full, total support by the local population?
        2. Xnumx kopeek
          Xnumx kopeek 4 July 2013 10: 09
          11
          Quote: Misantrop
          Quote: ale-x
          Crimean Tatars did not behave correctly, speaking on the side of the German troops. For which they were relocated ... Deservedly.
          The percentage of traitors was such that if the laws of that time were applied to them, the Crimean Tatar ethnos would be virtually destroyed. But, most likely, they would have been destroyed without trial - most of the soldiers who liberated the peninsula had relatives in the Crimea. And, having heard what exactly these "sufferers" were doing, they would hardly have kept themselves within the law. So, in fact, they were simply SAVED by deportation ... request

          - the time of the humiliated and insulted--
          -Pribals also saved / physically / "occupation by the Soviets" - Which they still cannot "forgive". Yeshe and bablos demand.
        3. alex13-61
          alex13-61 4 July 2013 11: 22
          17
          [quote = Misantrop] The percentage of traitors was such that, if the laws of that time were applied to them, then the Crimean Tatar ethnic group would be virtually destroyed. [/
          I can confirm. The wife’s grandmother survived the occupation of Crimea. She always said that the policemen were mostly Tatars. A friend of his father commanded a unit near Sevastopol ... They cut posts at night. The Germans were not even close ... Only two Tatar villages were nearby ... Well, they cleaned them up ...
          1. Misantrop
            Misantrop 4 July 2013 19: 14
            +2
            Quote: alex13-61
            The wife’s grandmother survived the occupation of Crimea.

            My whole maternal family watched all this with my own eyes. But not everyone survived, alas ... The great-grandmother was shot by the Germans at the denunciation of a Tatar neighbor, he tapped that she had two sons in a partisan detachment. Mom then miraculously escaped. And he, by the way, survived the war ...
      2. Kremlin
        Kremlin 4 July 2013 11: 30
        -2
        just Germans are smart and kind and don’t think to gaffle the past ... WE NEED TO LIVE THIS !!! And EVERYTHING!
    2. Denis
      4 July 2013 10: 54
      13
      Quote: Kremlin
      The Volga Germans?
      Read:TRAITORSMany parts were formed from the Volga Germans?
      They are not traitors, they are injured
  3. Sergey13
    Sergey13 4 July 2013 09: 03
    +6
    Quote: Kremlin
    a difficult question ... what about the Volga Germans?

    And what about the Volga German? How many defense enterprises were there? All right - unreliable to the rear, away
    1. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 4 July 2013 09: 57
      12
      Quote: Sergey13
      All right - unreliable to the rear, away

      It is interesting why the tsarist authorities prohibited Jews from settling in cities. But how actively they rushed there. Is the reason the same? Mistrust? There is no smoke without fire!
      1. ale-x
        ale-x 4 July 2013 10: 04
        12
        This was done at the "numerous requests of the workers." The emperor really listened to the advice of his entourage, apparently he understood the perniciousness of the resettlement of the "chosen of God" on the territory of the Russian Empire.
        1. Denis
          4 July 2013 10: 59
          -2
          Quote: ale-x
          disastrous resettlement
          Of course, aside from the topic, but do you know the list of passengers on the Lenin car?
          1. ale-x
            ale-x 4 July 2013 14: 17
            0
            His "colleagues in the shop"? Do you mean them? Yes, I do. And I don’t think what they did good.
            1. Denis
              4 July 2013 15: 16
              +3
              Quote: ale-x
              I didn’t consider what they were doing.
              Me too, just not about the conversation, but about the big, but just huge%
              "God's chosen"
              in the wagon
              1. ia-ai00
                ia-ai00 4 July 2013 17: 33
                +3
                Yes, even now there are a lot of them in this "WAGON", only the car is called differently ...
          2. SASCHAmIXEEW
            SASCHAmIXEEW 4 July 2013 16: 57
            +6
            Yes, 80% are familiar with Jewish surnames, and they also read what they did in 20 years. Thanks to Stalin, then he saved the country from the plague, and now where to get Stalin?
      2. SASCHAmIXEEW
        SASCHAmIXEEW 4 July 2013 16: 52
        +4
        What did the Bolsheviks-Jews led by Trotsky do not know? All of their terror was then attributed to Stalin !!! And the kings did the right thing! What is in our country now, who is in power? Mendel, Chubais, Greft and Dvorkovich ...
    2. Kremlin
      Kremlin 4 July 2013 11: 35
      -6
      but who built? who raised virgin soil and industry? while the Russians were lying on their side and pegging, the Germans plowed like Papa Carlo! And then the whole Katerinstadt was plundered ... now Marx ... is a hinterland, and after all it was a DECENT MAJOR CITY!
      1. Gorinich
        Gorinich 4 July 2013 12: 08
        +5
        During the Second World War the Volga Germans really showed their best side and now they really should have paid compensation in some form .... Only then, those who have served their time in the camps will also have to pay compensation .... from whose pocket?
    3. smile
      smile 4 July 2013 13: 06
      +9
      Sergey1
      By the way, this is a generally accepted world practice - Americans, too, all citizens who have at least a quarter of Japanese blood in a concentration camp planted after Pearl Harbor ... and nothing, no one squeals. Moreover, mind you, they didn’t resettle with the issuance of elevators and supplies of livestock, equipment, food, compensation for the lost, but they put them in a concentration camp ...
      1. Denis
        4 July 2013 13: 16
        +6
        Quote: smile
        Americans, too, all citizens who have at least a quarter of Japanese blood in a concentration camp planted after Pearl Harbor ... and nothing, no one squeals.
        So they are these, well, as if the lights of democracy or something else ...
        1. smile
          smile 4 July 2013 13: 49
          +2
          Denis
          :)))) In-in or something else ... eh - and you can’t say what, Moderators will beat ... :)))))
      2. Babon
        Babon 4 July 2013 15: 16
        +7
        smile
        So in my heart this question hangs, in the USA, Britain, France, Spain, Portugal, the Netherlands .... in general, civilized Europe should screech more than half of the world 70% of the world's population, why is it not? Let Europe pay for the enslavement of entire nations that they spit everything in communism? Communism has just thrown off the colonial system, for which Russia is now hated in the West? The concentration camps are a British invention, and they are so good. And in Russia, too, in 1918, the interventionists created concentration camps, why do not we remember this?
        1. Denis
          4 July 2013 16: 31
          +3
          Quote: Babon
          why isn’t it?
          Who pays, he orders the music (C)
          Here are two interpretations of the same event from the same source.
          Holocaust (from English holocaust, from other Greek. Ὁλοκαύστος - “burnt offering -
          in the narrow sensethe persecution and mass extermination of Jews living in Germany, in the territory of its allies and in the territories they occupied [1] during World War II [2]; the systematic persecution and extermination of European Jews by Nazi Germany and collaborators during the 1933 — 1945 years [3]. Along with the Armenian Genocide in the Ottoman Empire, it is considered one of the most famous examples of genocide in the 20th century [4].
          in a broad sense- Nazi persecution and mass extermination of representatives of various ethnic and social groups (Jews, Gypsies, gays, masons, hopelessly ill, etc.) during the Third Reich [5] [6] [7].

          Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
          Who will say why TWO interpretation?
          Could there be two meanings ?!
          It seems to me that from the same opera
    4. pav-pon1972
      pav-pon1972 4 July 2013 17: 54
      +4
      I agree. My grandmother (she was 15 years old) told me ... in 1944, Western Ukrainians were resettled to their homes in the village. locals were wary of them. In general, they behaved normally, worked. but what was surprising at the moment: they were given rations. If our girls dragged logs from the forest to the sawmill after school and before 8 in the evening, then they mostly studied at the political classes for half a day, they gave children time to do it at home. And that's not all ... from our garden, our family gave 10-mt to the front and 15-m ... a question for the department peoples. Are you not lumpen?
    5. OTTO
      OTTO 5 July 2013 13: 02
      0
      Quote: Sergey13
      All right - unreliable to the rear, away

      After the outbreak of the war with Japan, all the Japanese were hiding behind the thorn in the world-bearing light of freedom and democracy in the United States (just in case). I don’t remember that anyone would repent for it.
  4. Refund_SSSR
    Refund_SSSR 4 July 2013 09: 03
    22
    Russians have the right to call a spade a spade, especially since actions in wartime conditions sometimes require harsh measures, especially as they correctly noted above in relation to traitors.
    But self-captures and other problems of our time are already problems of Ukraine.
    1. Misantrop
      Misantrop 4 July 2013 09: 46
      16
      Quote: We refund_SSSR
      But the grabs

      In fact, a few years ago even the OFFICIAL level of housing for Crimean Tatars exceeded 100%, but self-seizure continues to this day. What is characteristic, this is not done by those who still have no housing. Now it is one of the types of modern business. Plots are captured, housing is being built, executed and ... resold. Then - self-capture again. Families that do this own 10-12 houses with plots. It is clear that without close cooperation with criminal structures and authorities, such actions would not have been possible ...
      1. Refund_SSSR
        Refund_SSSR 4 July 2013 10: 10
        +6
        Quote: Misantrop
        It is clear that without close interaction with criminal structures and authorities, such actions would not have been possible.

        Nevertheless, this is completely and completely the problem of Ukraine.
        It’s not difficult to come up with mechanisms for solving such problems, but since this happens, it means someone is warming his paws on this
        1. Misantrop
          Misantrop 4 July 2013 10: 32
          +6
          Quote: We refund_SSSR
          someone on this warms his paws
          Not that word. The square meter of housing on the South Coast is not too different in price from Moscow wink
        2. 3 inches.
          3 inches. 4 July 2013 15: 19
          +3
          But is it Ukraine? If we take into account that the Crimean population is mainly Russian, then the problems are somehow already ours.
      2. Semen Semyonitch
        Semen Semyonitch 4 July 2013 19: 13
        +1
        Quote: Misantrop
        Quote: We refund_SSSR
        But the grabs

        In fact, a few years ago even the OFFICIAL level of housing for Crimean Tatars exceeded 100%, but self-seizure continues to this day. What is characteristic, this is not done by those who still have no housing. Now it is one of the types of modern business. Plots are captured, housing is being built, executed and ... resold. Then - self-capture again. Families that do this own 10-12 houses with plots. It is clear that without close cooperation with criminal structures and authorities, such actions would not have been possible ...

        It's simple. This is a way to weaken Russia's influence on the situation in Crimea, especially since Russia has long left everything to chance. I think that of the two "evils" Ukrainian politicians chose (as they think) the lesser, Tatars. Then they will regret it .. ...
        1. Misantrop
          Misantrop 4 July 2013 20: 41
          +2
          Quote: Semyon Semyonich
          Then they will regret it ...

          The sane of them are ALREADY sorry. That's just ... late, the train left ... request
    2. cherkas.oe
      cherkas.oe 4 July 2013 10: 23
      +8
      Quote: We refund_SSSR
      But self-captures and other problems of our time are already problems of Ukraine.

      And maybe in the not-so-distant future, it will become a major headache for Russia.
  5. omsbon
    omsbon 4 July 2013 09: 03
    29
    Dear Svetlana!
    You are absolutely right in writing the truth about the traitors. The only thing I would add is the participation of these geeks in punitive actions.
    The humane approach of I.V. Stalin is hitting this question now!
    Dear Svetlana, hold on, you are not alone!
    1. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 4 July 2013 10: 05
      +4
      Quote: omsbon
      Dear Svetlana, hold on, you are not alone!

      However, she was left without work alone. And when this happened, it is completely unclear.
      1. Denis
        4 July 2013 12: 37
        +3
        Quote: Hedgehog
        when this happened is completely unclear.
        Mindfulness, only mindfulness (C)
        Administration (director - Tatar, but not Crimean),after the dismissal of our ambassador, so frightened by this paragraph that they decided to destroy the circulation, but they fired me, despite the fact

        It was about that on our site, so many spears are broken
        http://topwar.ru/28461-rf-davno-opravdala-predatelstvo-krymskih-tatar.html#comme
        nt-id-1300860
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  6. ale-x
    ale-x 4 July 2013 09: 09
    +3
    Here is the first link that came across on Yandex request "treason of the Crimean Tatars in the Second World War"
    http://www.ua-pravda.com/old/articles/interes/1670.php
  7. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 4 July 2013 09: 11
    16
    According to the laws of wartime, the Crimean Tatars were displaced, like some other peoples. Hush up, do not hush up, but this is a fact. Compared with the way the Crimean Tatars acted with the partisans, deportation is a very gentle and humane measure.
  8. fzr1000
    fzr1000 4 July 2013 09: 11
    0
    The Tatars who fought in the ranks of the Red Army were sent into exile, there were 9 such people, and among them about 500 officers.

    Chochom, indiscriminately.
    1. Misantrop
      Misantrop 4 July 2013 09: 49
      0
      Quote: fzr1000
      about 500 officers.

      Chochom, indiscriminately.

      Answered above
      1. TRex
        TRex 4 July 2013 12: 51
        +8
        It only remains to take off his hat to the organization of this event: without too much screeching, noise and dust, in the shortest possible time, without losses among service personnel, without loud oath promises ... Mustached mumbled in a mustache - one, two - a chick! and done. Learn ... And we have rallies, democracy, pluralism ... bloodshed by the river. After the capture of Grozny, the corpses were pushed into the pits with a bulldozer (that our soldiers, that the locals - they all found the last shelter there ...)
  9. Airman
    Airman 4 July 2013 09: 14
    +1
    Special resettlement for the Crimean Tatars was good, it’s a pity that it was in Uzbekistan, not Kolyma. If they were left in the Crimea, half would be killed in revenge for all the betrayals. But, as always, the performers stupidly carried out the order.
  10. Grigorich 1962
    Grigorich 1962 4 July 2013 09: 28
    +5
    The topic for speculation of all kinds of dissidents and NGOs. Not everything was fair in those days ... as it seems to many .... but this is the spirit of the time .... and now we should not judge ... I know only one thing ... enemies and traitors should be destroyed
  11. Mareman Vasilich
    Mareman Vasilich 4 July 2013 09: 44
    14
    But in principle, what can I say. Time has put everything in its place. And with regard to strengthening the country's defense capability, the state as a whole pursued the correct policy. Now we have little marshal stars hanging up for army generals to satisfy their pride. And people who have ruined one department (!) Are immediately put on another. You just need to understand, without emotion, without ambition and foam at the mouth, and in the process of understanding, keep the mind sober and unbiased. It’s easy to understand that in that difficult time there was no other way out than what they did. The fifth column should never be left at the front line (and it is dangerous in the rear). After all, not only the Germans wanted Russian blood, but the amers also offered Stalin to "preserve" the Far East (although it was still fresh in the memory of 1920), and the Anglo-Saxons asked to "help with the protection" of the Baku oil fields. And they asked to withdraw Soviet troops from Iran, and they, the Angles, will cope on their own, taking into account that aviation gets from Iran to our oil with a bang. It is worth taking a deep plunge at that time, and the hair stands on end, the thought involuntarily comes to the Russian and Soviet people the Lord has made another (such of the others were Sergei Radonezhsky, Ivan the Terrible) unheard of gift, this is I. Stalin.
  12. mogus
    mogus 4 July 2013 10: 00
    +8
    Memory of betrayal:
    Crimean Tatars in the footsteps
    ancestors
    Public statement
    Consul of Russia in Crimea
    caused a scandal on
    peninsula.
    Consul General
    Russian Federation in
    Crimea considers obvious
    fact
    mass betrayal
    Crimean Tatars in the Great Patriotic War.
    - I ask to convey to
    every Crimean Tatar
    this official position
    Russia,
    - said a senior
    diplomat
    in an interview with national
    ATR's TV channel
    Simferopol ...
    http://titus.kz/?type=mnen&previd=38926
    1. fzr1000
      fzr1000 4 July 2013 14: 25
      11
      From http://titus.kz/?type=mnen&previd=38926 taken

      I live in Sudak. And according to the stories of our local survivors, I know who the Tatars were. I do not speak for the Tatars of all, but most met the fascists as dear guests. The elder in Sudak was Bekir Umerov. With great pleasure laid everyone who lived with him near childhood. A river passes near my house, where on January 28, 1942 the Tatars with their masters laid down 700 paratroopers. In addition to donating the horse in a silver rein to Mr. Hitler (for the liberation of the Crimea (you would think Hitler would leave Crimea with them)), these bastards, offered to kill 200 thousand Russians in the Crimea in one night. Strange, but the Nazis refused. Yes, they already had enough help from the Tatars. All food bases in the mountains, for the Crimean partisans, were issued by them, which is why our soldiers had to eat bark from the trees. All punitive actions were carried out in the mainAries Tatars. And remember Old Crimea, half of the city was cut out there in one night. My grandmother lived in Topolivka. Their Tatars had neighbors. It was already a time of peace. Neighboring children told her: Grandma, you are so kind, we love you so much, if it will be necessary to cut, we are sick, don’t be afraid. Little Stalin gave them. For mass betrayal is death. not warm Uzbekistan. By the way, the Uzbeks hate them. Question - for what?
      1. alex13-61
        alex13-61 4 July 2013 15: 37
        +4
        Quote: fzr1000
        these bastards, offered to kill 200 thousand Russians in the Crimea in one night. Strange, but the Nazis refused.

        And I, more than once, heard about this from survivors of the occupation ...
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  14. Zhenya-1
    Zhenya-1 4 July 2013 10: 03
    13
    That's right, there is not a word of untruth in the article. It was the truth that scared the descendants of fascist accomplices.
    1. Leisure
      Leisure 4 July 2013 12: 04
      +8
      The tendency, however, is to whitewash its activities in ss. Many have now turned out to be fighters for "independence".
  15. Sochi
    Sochi 4 July 2013 10: 11
    11
    He deserves to be rewarded ... We have every right to remember and remind those who want to forget! The enemy can become a friend, a traitor - never.
  16. Net
    Net 4 July 2013 10: 25
    16
    In addition to the Second World War, the Crimean Tatars behaved in the same way in the Crimean War of 1854. They fled from all the auls to Evpatoria to bow to the "new power". So everything is fair. By robbery raids on our southern borders and the slave trade, they lost the Crimea. They would also say thank you for the fact that Russia did not pursue a colonial policy in relation to the conquered lands. And during the deportation, they were not sickly in Central Asia, they allocated funds for the arrangement. Now that they have sold all their goods there, they go to Crimea and demand help from the authorities. I must say among the Tatars themselves, there are many quite normal people, more often those who have been touched by the Russian world and our virtues. Well, they are especially dashing in the Mejlis (the self-proclaimed government) from these you will not be surprised at new manifestations of collaboration on occasion. They only understand strength. What you won't get with the government of Ukraine - natural vegetables.
    1. Misantrop
      Misantrop 4 July 2013 11: 29
      15
      Quote: Netto
      Well, they are especially dashing in the Majlis

      ... which is not headed by a Tatar. Mustafa Dzhemilev is an ethnic Turk from the Baltic. Posing as a fighter with the regime, but received a criminal term under the USSR for rape request
      1. stroporez
        stroporez 4 July 2013 12: 02
        +4
        Quote: Misantrop
        but received a criminal term under the USSR for rape
        what is pop, such is the arrival ..........
        1. Net
          Net 4 July 2013 13: 10
          +2
          Recently, Dzhemilev called his son a madman and a drug addict, after the latter "accidentally" shot his acquaintance with several shots from his father's carbine to the head and limbs.
          1. Misantrop
            Misantrop 4 July 2013 18: 02
            +1
            Quote: Netto
            "accidentally" he shot his acquaintance, with several shots from his father's carbine in the head and limbs.

            There is generally a rather muddy story. And this "unfortunate patient" is going to be transferred to the Kiev clinic. Apparently, they are afraid to leave in the Crimean ... what
            According to Mustafa Dzhemilev himself, one gets the impression of his son as a teenager in mental problems. But this teenager is already 32 years old ...
      2. Denis
        4 July 2013 12: 22
        +3
        Quote: Misantrop
        not Tatar at all. Mustafa Dzhemilev - ethnic Turk from the Baltic
        Nah ...
        A terrible mix of a non-sticky Negro with a Chinese motorcycle
        The politician, however ...
        Such "good" is enough everywhere:
      3. Denis
        4 July 2013 12: 25
        +2
        Quote: Misantrop
        received a criminal term under the USSR for rape
        It is then possible that of these ... well, like lemons
  17. Shadowcat
    Shadowcat 4 July 2013 10: 25
    +6
    Interestingly, but the author himself read the note? Especially the beginning and ending?
    Fascists came
    Crimean Tatars - hurray, here bread and salt.
    Germans - We Have Once Fought Against Partisans
    Krymtatar - Yaya, we ourselves will cut them.

    tips came
    Crimea Tatars - oh we are stupid, sorry ...
    commissar - to the link.
    Krymtatars are a good boss.

    Now they come after more than half a century and begin raider seizures of foreign land. And this should be a description in the Criminal Code.

    To call a traitor a wrong person, a killer a frightened citizen, and a person with personal views, the guys do not lie to themselves. he is a traitor in Africa and a traitor, a killer he is a killer, a fagot he is a fagot everywhere - as you do not fence the garden - he still carries manure with manure.

    PS
    The Tatars who fought in the ranks of the Red Army were sent into exile, there were 9 such people, and among them about 500 officers.
    Are not those who deserted?
    1. Misantrop
      Misantrop 4 July 2013 10: 41
      14
      In the guide you had to make another point of the tour. The village of Krasnoe (later the agricultural Dzerzhinsky, now a suburb of Simferopol in the direction of the Central Airport). A small museum dedicated to the concentration camp that existed there during the occupation. The peculiarity of this concentration camp was that there were only 4 Germans in its administration. All the rest are Crimean Tatars ... request
    2. Leisure
      Leisure 4 July 2013 12: 07
      0
      These are those who did not have time.
  18. cherkas.oe
    cherkas.oe 4 July 2013 10: 26
    +5
    Move Svetlana to our Kuban, and close and ethnically native people live here.
  19. Pacifist
    Pacifist 4 July 2013 10: 48
    +4
    The editor (Svetlana Kondratenko) is absolutely right. History is history and should be presented as is. In addition, there are no interpretations in the article, only bare facts and the reader has the right to interpret them as his soul tells him. Administrator ur.od cowardly.
  20. seller trucks
    seller trucks 4 July 2013 11: 47
    +6
    In the terribly difficult 1942 partisans, they lost people killed in the 900 battles, and almost 500 died of starvation, which indicates a catastrophic situation with food supplies.


    While still in school, in the late 80s, they took us to the area of ​​the Crimean plateau and showed the Camp and talked about the feat of the Crimean partisans, I remember the military officer told us that in winter it came to cannibalism. Scary. but I want to say that we survived and won, tore out this German scum with our teeth, I'm not sure that the same dugout is in the photo, but it looks like there was still a fireplace with a pot in front. And what now, you climb the Ai-Petri in the Funicular, and there, the Tatar market, with "burnt" wine, in one year found a rare car (I do not remember the brand), take pictures in German helmets, this is such a metamorphosis.
    1. Misantrop
      Misantrop 4 July 2013 18: 16
      +1
      Quote: seller trucks
      you climb the Ai-Petri in the Funicular, and there, the Tatar market, with "burnt" wine, in one year found a rare car (I do not remember the brand) take pictures in German helmets, this is such a metamorphosis.

      Moreover, this unsanitary conditions could not even be touched, immediately a cry rises about "infringement of the rights of the indigenous people"! Some people have already talked about "creating areas of traditional Crimean Tatar industry." Even the Tatars themselves were amused by this, the local media laughed for six months laughing
  21. Leisure
    Leisure 4 July 2013 12: 11
    +3
    JV Stalin was in a good mood, and therefore only moved the Crimean Tatars.
  22. piter-tank
    piter-tank 4 July 2013 12: 16
    +4
    "Do Russians have the right to mention the deportation of the Crimean Tatars in 1944"
    Russians have the right to mention everything and everyone. And we won’t ask anyone for permission! And if something is not pleasant to the Crimean Tatars, Chechens, Meskhetian Turks, Balkars, Kalmyks, etc. - let them carefully examine the leadership of the USSR for that period before presenting anything to the Russians.
    Politburo of the Central Committee of the CPSU (B.) Under Stalin:
    Stalin (Dzhugashvili) I.V. - Georgians; Voroshilov K.E. - Russian; Kalinin M.I.- Russian; Molotov (Scriabin) V.M. - Russian; Kaganovich L.M. - a Jew; Mikoyan A.I. - Armenian; Zhdanov A.A. - Russian; Khrushchev N.S. - Russian; Beria L.P. - Migrel.
    Council of People's Commissars under Stalin:
    Stalin (Dzhugashvili) I.V., chairman - Georgian; Beria L.P., People's Commissar of the VD - Mingrel; Merkulov V.N., People's Commissar of GB - for the mother of Georgians; Kobulov B.Z., 1st Deputy People's Commissar of the GB - Armenian.
    These are those who are mainly involved in the repressions (including the Russian people) in the country's top leadership.
    1. SASCHAmIXEEW
      SASCHAmIXEEW 4 July 2013 17: 21
      +3
      And where is Trotsky, with his communist Bundists? These are more involved in terror than the ones listed above !!! It is necessary to unveil the whole truth about the Soviet state, to put all the points in their places! Then we find out who is who !!!
    2. Avenger711
      Avenger711 4 July 2013 19: 11
      0
      And what, repressions have now become an unwholesome affair?
  23. Semurg
    Semurg 4 July 2013 12: 20
    11 th
    The guidebook is more or less correct. 180000 man evicted Chohom and is it considered good for the people?
    1. Cat
      Cat 4 July 2013 12: 34
      17
      Quote: Semurg
      180000 people were evicted by Chokh and is this considered a blessing to the people?

      Yes, it was a flagrant violation of the law - since according to the then laws, most of these 180 thousand were supposed to be shot.
      Do you think that would be a blessing to the people? A greater blessing than eviction?
      1. smile
        smile 4 July 2013 13: 23
        +7
        Cat
        Supplement- by the then law of all countries, including the United States, which did not evict tens of thousands of people of Japanese nationality from the frontline zone, convenient for gang activities in the rear of the troops, as we did, but put everyone who had at least a quarter of Japanese blood in concentration camps. ..together with children ... in advance, despite the fact that they did not destroy the civilian population of America on a massive scale, they were not at the service of the Japanese militarists ... if they behaved like the Crimean Tatars, the Americans would have destroyed them all before the last person, the tradition they have is such ... But, of course, there is no time for Comrade Semurg to think about this topic ... he is busy exposing us, the bad ... :))))
      2. Semurg
        Semurg 4 July 2013 19: 31
        +1
        Quote: Cat
        Quote: Semurg
        180000 people were evicted by Chokh and is this considered a blessing to the people?

        Yes, it was a flagrant violation of the law - since according to the then laws, most of these 180 thousand were supposed to be shot.
        Do you think that would be a blessing to the people? A greater blessing than eviction?

        Most of them are 100-120 thousand. If there are 180 thousand of them half of the female sex remains 90 thousand of them half are children and the elderly 45 thousand. These 45 thousand, as "grandfather" writes, gave 10-15 thousand policemen and self-defense forces. These 10-15 thousand need to be sifted and active accomplices to be punished It’s probably difficult to do it easier to punish the whole people about it and ask the question (is it all good for the people?) But what about the thesis that there are no bad or good peoples, but there are bad and good people of them and all nations, both small and great .And here on the site I often see that there are correct peoples and there are not correct ones and they need to go to the nail. Smile that you are "glamorous" I know you can not prove further.
    2. Pacifist
      Pacifist 4 July 2013 13: 07
      +8
      Semurg, good day.
      I didn’t put a minus, because there was some misunderstanding of the situation at that time along with an attempt to assess the situation. Cat hi correctly emphasized. According to the conditions and logic of that period, the problem could be calmly solved not by relocation, but by banal execution or camps until the end of days. Resettlement was not a measure of punishment in its purest form, but rather a measure of upbringing, an attempt to shift the ethical and social fullness of the nation in the right direction. Unfortunately, as practice has shown, softness in such situations did not work ... and as a result, Crimea has ... what it has.
      1. smile
        smile 4 July 2013 14: 03
        +3
        Pacifist
        I will supplement it. I believe this was not an educational measure — do not make a vengeful educator from Stalin — it was a measure aimed at eliminating, at the very beginning, the possibility of waging a sabotage war in our rear of Nazi accomplices. which would be supported by the local population, who tried under the Germans to destroy the non-Tatar population, which means. involved in the acts of the Nazis ... in one fell swoop this way a long war with Hitler’s defenses in the rear of their troops was ruled out and conditions were created for the restoration of Crimea ... if anyone doesn’t remember, in 39 in Crimea there were only 19 percent of Crimean Tatars, 49,6, 25,8 Russians, XNUMX Ukrainians - and that’s even for the superanged and politicized pedagogy (too lazy to look for normal information) that's all. including the figures are misinterpreting us ... so there would be no peace for anyone, the defeat of the Nazi-Turkish bandit underground of the Tatars would cost thousands of lives, primarily peaceful Russians and Ukrainians - remember the Bandera people, whose main losses are civilians . the doctors. yes teachers ...
        So, this is not an educational measure, but a forced measure designed to save the lives of people, including the Tatars themselves.
        1. Misantrop
          Misantrop 4 July 2013 18: 34
          +2
          Quote: smile
          the local population, who tried under the Germans to destroy the non-Tatar population, which means. involved in the acts of the Nazis ...
          You will laugh, but ... the Germans had to PROTECT the Russian population of Crimea from the tyranny of the Tatars. In Yalta, on the wall of the German commandant's office, which has survived since the war (it is a pity that it is now painted over, but you can scrape it off ...), the Germans wrote ... "for the murder of a Russian, the execution of 5 Tatars" ... And their plan for the ethnic cleansing of Crimea Hitler rejected as inhuman ... Germans needed Slavic lands with slaves, not a bare desert ... request
          1. smile
            smile 5 July 2013 13: 03
            0
            Misantrop
            Yeah ... laugh. so laughed .... even funnier to hear the cries of the innocent victims of the Tatar lambs ....
    3. seller trucks
      seller trucks 4 July 2013 13: 39
      +2
      Quote: Semurg
      The guidebook is more or less correct. 180000 man evicted Chohom and is it considered good for the people?


      got what you deserve, actually I advised you about the Defense of Sevastopol to inquire if you know it is sobering

    4. Misantrop
      Misantrop 4 July 2013 18: 28
      0
      Quote: Semurg
      180000 people were evicted by Chokh and is this considered a blessing to the people?

      12 battalions + 10 separate punitive companies. Apart from all the little things. Estimate the total? How many remain, believing that the children, the elderly and women were not called up by the Germans? And what was supposed during the war for treason? what
      1. smersh70
        smersh70 6 July 2013 12: 29
        +1
        Quote: Misantrop
        12 battalions + 10 separate punitive companies. N



        so ask this question to the military commissar of Crimea in 41-42 years ... why didn’t he call up military servicemen-Tatars, over 18 years old, to the army ... where Oktyabrsky and his ilk looked ... hi
    5. Avenger711
      Avenger711 4 July 2013 19: 11
      +1
      If the alternative is to kill everyone, then obviously yes. Your cap.
  24. adg76
    adg76 4 July 2013 12: 27
    +7
    You can wash away your shame only with blood. It is impossible to knock out people's memory as the vast majority of CRIMEAN Tatars betrayed their Homeland.
  25. ded_73
    ded_73 4 July 2013 12: 33
    -7
    I see that it is somehow very "politically correct" to deal with the topic of Chechens and Ingush in the comments, who, according to the logic of many commentators, are the same traitors. Is it not the consequences of Comrade Stalin's "wise" nationality policy that Russia is still unraveling?
    1. seller trucks
      seller trucks 4 July 2013 13: 20
      +4
      Quote: ded_73
      I see it is somehow very "politically correct" to treat the comments about Chechens and Ingush


      fool Have you read the title of the article? Crimean Tatars are discussed here
      1. ded_73
        ded_73 4 July 2013 14: 12
        -5
        I meant the fate of all the evicted peoples. This is one story and one crime. (twist yourself !!!)
        1. Denis
          4 July 2013 15: 00
          +3
          Quote: ded_73
          This is one story and one crime.
          Just retribution is a crime?
          Then go straight to Herr Gauk Spider
          http://topwar.ru/29317-nemeckiy-prezident-nedovolen-rossiey.html#comment-id-1241
          548
          And the same as his wishes
        2. Misantrop
          Misantrop 4 July 2013 18: 41
          +2
          Quote: ded_73
          I meant the fate of all the evicted peoples.

          There is one more "unjustly evicted affected people". These are Meskhetian Turks. The Americans, shortly after the collapse of the USSR, regretted them in bulk and transported them to their homes. Ask WHAT their current neighbors NOW think about this. You will learn a lot of interesting things, I guarantee lol

          And one more offended people at one time the Serbs regretted. Albanians, heard of these? What did they get as a result of their pity?
    2. smile
      smile 4 July 2013 13: 31
      11
      ded_73
      The topic of the Czechs did not come up, so we don’t comment, we don’t recall the fascist revolt in Grozny, the massacre of the Russian-speaking people, which is akin to the one that later happened before the first Chechen one ... of course, Stalin's policy was more humane than that of the United States. who, in the event of actions like the Chechens and Crimean Tatars, would simply have exterminated these ethnic groups ... but we could not act like the Americans and the Nazis, we are different ... so Stalin could not ... and now you can stigmatize Stalin for being excessive kindness. calling his policy "unwise" ... :)))
      So clearly explained?
      1. ded_73
        ded_73 4 July 2013 14: 11
        -7
        Not really ... The consequences of eviction will go around for a very long time. What happened in the nineties is a consequence of the forties. Under any circumstances - thousands of broken innocent lives, then and now. History takes revenge and revenge is terrible.
        1. ale-x
          ale-x 4 July 2013 14: 23
          +6
          Well, come on, I’ll reassure you, saying that the time will come and we will take revenge on everyone and everything. So will it become better to sleep?
          1. ded_73
            ded_73 4 July 2013 17: 52
            +1
            Thank you, I sleep peacefully. A revenge ... I am very surprised by the position-the people are to blame and rightly so. My firm conviction that such a position is flawed and, moreover, dangerous. You see, I think so that each of us clearly associates with our own people, with its victories and defeats, while we clearly understand that among our people there are murderers, rapists and other neglects. We attribute this to the educational environment and so on. But in general - we hoo. At the same time, we allow to blame entire nations for betrayal, depriving everyone from small to large, guilty and not guilty of the right to live on their own land, as a punishment, forgetting that these same peoples consist of individual people and their destinies.
            Now let's get to the facts. Crimean Tatars met Germans - yes, evidence of this - please. And in Ukrainian and Russian cities, weren't they met? We met. Police units were created and volunteers went there - yes they went. "Since October 1941, the creation of volunteer formations from representatives of the Crimean Tatars began - a self-defense company, whose main task was to fight the partisans. Until January 1942, this process went on spontaneously, but after the recruitment of volunteers from among the Crimean Tatars was officially sanctioned by Hitler , the solution to this problem passed to the leadership of the Einsatzgroup D. During January 1942, more than 8600 volunteers were recruited, from among whom were selected 1632 person for service in self-defense companies (14 companies were formed). In March 1942, it already served in the companies of self-defense 4 thousand peopleand 5 тыс. people were in the reserve. Subsequently, on the basis of the created companies, auxiliary police battalions were deployed, the number of which reached eight by November 1942 (from 147th to 154th). “What do we have 10 thousand traitors? So how many fought at the front - the same 10 thousand. 20-30 thousand sympathizers? At the same time, 191 people were evicted (and in total 014 people were evicted from Crimea, Greeks, Armenians - for what?) Of these, the same 228 fought at the front. Are they heroes? No, traitors ? And also - "According to the party archives of the Crimean regional committee of the Communist Party of Ukraine, as of June 543, 10, there were 000 people in the partisan detachments of the Crimea. Of these, 1 are Russians, 1943 are Ukrainians and ... 262 are Tatars. As of January 145, 67, there were [source not specified 6 days] 15 partisans in Crimea, of which Russians - 1944, Ukrainians - 341, Tatars - 3733. Finally, according to a certificate of the party, nationality and age composition of the Crimean partisans in April 1944 , among the partisans there were: Russians - 348, Tatars - 598, Ukrainians - 1944, Belarusians - 2075, others - 391. "Are these six hundred people heroes? No, they are traitors."
            At the same time, I do not urge each of you to project all these events onto yourself in a pure form (although it did not interfere). How would each of us lead without feeling guilty about being guilty? And survive at the same time.
            No man, whatever he may be, can declare nations as enemies. Stalin laid these mines and they are still exploding. And it’s not wise to deny it.
            My parents are from South Kazakhstan, they are children of war. Their childhood friends were ... yes, namely, Chechens and Volga Germans. They grew up together. And a piece of bread or corn tortilla was common. And never one of the adults (not to mention the children) called them traitors. Why did people in that terrible hour have enough intelligence and life experience, but we did not? Parents became witnesses, as almost all Chechen boys aged 12-15 went through prisons. Yes, they stole state property on collective farms, most often cattle, to feed families, because they were the oldest men in the family. Customs. As a result, many have received prison experience with all the consequences.
            Evil can only give rise to evil and not otherwise. And this evil poured into the horrors that we received in the 90s. And they did not end, unfortunately. And to the deaths of thousands of Russian soldiers in Chechnya, I do not want thousands of Ukrainian deaths in Crimea.
            1. Avenger711
              Avenger711 4 July 2013 19: 19
              +1
              Yes, customs. Our boys of 12-15 years old plowed like oxen, but you understand these customs.

              There were 6 Crimean Tatars in the partisans. The Red Army managed to mobilize 10000 and how they fought, another question.
              1. Denis
                4 July 2013 20: 56
                +1
                Quote: Avenger711
                how they fought, another question.
                That’s just not a question, hands uphill and gear the enemy
                1. ded_73
                  ded_73 5 July 2013 12: 20
                  0
                  And these gears? “As the newspaper“ Krasny Krym ”wrote in September 1943,“ ... in the partisan detachments, the sons and daughters of the Tatar people, together with the Russians, mercilessly destroyed the fascists ... ”Almost all the commanders (Crimean Tatars by nationality, and there were more than half of them) of partisan detachments there were pseudonyms in the form of Russian surnames, as mentioned in his memoirs by the pilot Zarifov. many German officers, and the one who died in the process. The head of an independent large underground organization of the Crimea was also Abdula Dagdzhi, aka "Uncle Volodya" (the organization was defeated by the Germans, Dagdzhi himself was executed). In the ranks of the Red Army, from 18 to 1941 they served more than 1945 thousand Crimean Tatars. "
                  For participation in the Great Patriotic War, five Crimean Tatars (Teifuk Abdul, Uzeir Abduramanov, Abduraim Reshidov, Fetislyam Abilov, Seitnafe Seitveliev) were awarded the title of Hero of the Soviet Union, and Ametkhan Sultan was awarded this title twice. Two (Seit-Nebi Abduramanov and Nasibulla Velilyaev) are full holders of the Order of Glory. The names of two Crimean Tatars generals are known: Ismail Bulatov and Ablyakim Gafarov. "
                  Try to learn a little more ...
                  1. Semurg
                    Semurg 5 July 2013 22: 09
                    0
                    "grandfather" read your comments if you are a Russian or a Slav, I take off my hat for your position, if a Tatar still has to be correct, there must be another point of view on the general history and information (otherwise all the people are bad at their nails, and do not understand that they are repeating the thesis of the fascists about bad and incomplete peoples)
              2. ded_73
                ded_73 5 July 2013 12: 17
                +1
                How simple it is for you ... Black and white. And they plowed, and plowed no less. It was necessary to survive on a foreign land.
        2. smile
          smile 4 July 2013 17: 17
          +3
          smile
          This topic did not backfire, but was raised within the framework of the CIA's special program "Enslaved Nations." the course of which was given back in the 50s .... the program is still working ... and the creators of the program on the drum are historical facts - they successfully invent them ... there are micromoires of Lithuanian politicians who came to power during the collapse of the USSR in the public domain - they are proud topics. that they acted with the filing of American and British special services. describe in detail. Where. how they were organized, financed, etc. ... the same applies to Ukrainian ones. Tatar and other nationalists ...
          So, there were no causes and consequences ... but because tens of thousands of lives were saved through these relocations, thousands of lives were broken ...
          Yes, history is taking revenge. And he takes revenge scary ... especially to those who do not understand - he who believes, at the direction of enemy propaganda, that the whole history of his Motherland is a chain of crimes, and invented ones, has no future.
        3. Avenger711
          Avenger711 4 July 2013 19: 14
          +1
          The consequence of not doing what it made sense to do 200 years like. Chechen bandits were constantly driven through the mountains, and the Tatars from Crimea were proposed to be resettled in the Crimean War.
    3. Misantrop
      Misantrop 4 July 2013 18: 36
      +1
      Quote: ded_73
      the theme of Chechens and Ingush
      Those must be asked from the Svans, who were slaughtered with death on the passes of the Caucasus ...
    4. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 4 July 2013 19: 46
      +1
      Quote: ded_73
      I see that it is somehow very "politically correct" to deal with the topic of Chechens and Ingush in the comments, who, according to the logic of many commentators, are the same traitors. Is it not the consequences of Comrade Stalin's "wise" nationality policy that Russia is still unraveling?

      Stalin did everything correctly humanely and effectively, did not allow the total extermination of small ethnic groups, did not divide families and gave them the opportunity to choose and atone for guilt.
      It was not Stalin who allowed the people sent for unforgivable monstrous atrocities to return to the scene of the crime.
      It was not Stalin who apologized to the traitors and the murderers for having been expelled, although they all deservedly deserved a noose.
      As Alexander Suvorov said:
      - Consciously conceived, but crazy done.
      1. ded_73
        ded_73 5 July 2013 12: 27
        0
        Comrade Stalin, like Mr. Yeltsin, before making such "correct, humane and effective" decisions, should have read the small work of Tolstoy Lev Nikolayevich - "Hadji Murat". They would understand a lot.
  26. 4 July 2013 12: 53
    +8
    And about the Crimean Tatars: there is a good book by Alexander Shirokorad "Four tragedies of the Crimea". All "points above and" are placed in nai. In my opinion, this was a typical "fifth" column in the rear of the Soviet troops.
    1. Avenger711
      Avenger711 4 July 2013 19: 20
      +1
      Pykhalov Igor Vasilievich. "Why did Stalin evict peoples." Required to read.
    2. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 4 July 2013 19: 58
      0
      Quote: sind
      And about the Crimean Tatars: there is a good book by Alexander Shirokorad "Four tragedies of the Crimea". All "points above and" are placed in nai. In my opinion, this was a typical "fifth" column in the rear of the Soviet troops.

      Do not forget that Crimea was part of the Ottoman Empire, the Crimean Tatars had long-standing ties with the Turks, and for over 300 years they were Russia's worst enemies.
      The Turks in the Eastern (Crimean) War of 1853-1856 were allies of France and England, in 1941-1945 were potential allies of Hitler, and now they are allies of the USA and NATO.
      Stalin tried to cleanse Crimea from an insidious cruel internal enemy, always ready to betray Russia and hit her in the back.
  27. skullcap
    skullcap 4 July 2013 13: 46
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    It describes far from the whole truth about the events in the Crimea during the years of occupation.
    Now there are very few veterans of the Great Patriotic War. However, the childhood of the current older generation was in their midst. To know then that there will be the possibility of publishing on the Internet ...
    In general, regarding the Crimean Tatars, I remember the story of one of the participants in the war, when I was 10-12.
    The meaning of his story came down to the fact that when our people liberated the Crimea, they found quite a few dead Russian villages. On the fence near the houses - on stakes - the severed heads of the former residents of these houses, mostly women and children, were impaled, since the men went to the front when the war began.
    When the German prisoners were brought and showed this atrocity, they cried and swore that it was not they who did this, but the Crimean Tatars.
    Therefore, the Crimean Tatars were evicted not at all for self-defense companies (the Germans organized the formation of policemen everywhere), but for these bloody acts - the genocide of the peaceful Russian population.
    Here lies the explanation for the fact that everyone was evicted, including those who fought in the Soviet Army. In this decision, not only wisdom was manifested, but also humanism that did not justify itself (my personal opinion). If they had been left, the fighters who had returned from the war, who had gone through its crucible, saw that the Crimean Tatars had done to their families, would not begin to figure out who exactly was to blame, but would have revenged everyone.
    And finally. I always hold the opinion that there are no bad nations - there are only geeks in every nation. But, apparently, each rule has its exceptions. Regarding the Crimean Tatars, I think we should carefully consider this thesis. Like it or not, this is a nation who has been engaged in its entire history exclusively in predatory raids on neighbors for the purpose of robbery, murder, capture of the civilian population in captivity and their further conversion into slaves, the slave trade.
    The whole history of the Crimean Khanate is the history of brigands and slave traders. Hence the question: can the Crimean Tatars be considered as a normal people like all others? Or did their story put an unrecoverable trace on them? And is it not worth asking from this people for the genocide just as they asked from German at that time? After all, genocide has no statute of limitations.
    1. seller trucks
      seller trucks 4 July 2013 14: 02
      +5
      You are a smart girl, you have switched from words to actions, because rightly, but for what?

      On February 4 on 1943, Crimean Tatar volunteers from the villages of Beshui and Koush captured four partisans from the Mukovnin detachment. The partisans were punctured with bayonets, laid on fires and burned. The corpse of Kazan Tatar Kiyamov turned out to be especially disfigured, which the punishers apparently mistook for their fellow countryman. That is, a traitor in their struggle with the Red Army.

      Here is a quote from a memo from the deputy head of the special department of the Central headquarters of the partisan movement Popov from 25 July 1942: “Participants in the partisan movement in Crimea were living witnesses of the massacre of Tatars-volunteers and their owners over captured sick and wounded partisans (killing, burning of sick and wounded ) In a number of cases, the Tatars were ruthless and professional than the executioners-fascists. "

      The practice of clearing roads was practiced when, under Crimean Tatar surveillance, a crowd of prisoners was forced to comb through minefields.

      On July 2 on 1942, during the battles for Sevastopol, a Soviet boat got holes and was forced to land near Alushta. Soldiers and sailors from the boat during the battle with the Crimean Tatar collaborators (most likely, it was the Tatar "self-defense") were captured. The prisoners began to be shot, and only the Italian sailors who arrived in time rescued the prisoners.

      A certain V. Mishchenko was captured during the battles for Sevastopol, and in the summer of 1942, he marched in a prisoner of war to the prisoner-of-war camp "Potato Town", which was located within Simferopol. He survived, and according to him, only half of the three thousand people in this convoy reached the camp. The rest were shot along the way by an escort consisting of Germans and their accomplices - the Tatars.

      The captured Red Navy radio operator, N. A. Yanchenko, from the training unit of the Black Sea Fleet, said:

      “4 of July was captured ... On the way we were escorted by traitors from the Tatars. They beat the staff with batons. After the prison in Sevastopol, we were escorted through the Belbek Valley, which was mined. Many of our Red Army and Red Navy men died there. In the Bakhchisarai camp they filled us, the apple has nowhere to fall. Three days later, they drove to Simferopol. Not only Germans accompanied us, but also traitors from the Crimean Tatars. I once saw a Tatar chopping off the head of a Red Navy. ”

      Lieutenant I.P. Mikhailik, commander of the fighter battalion from the 20 Air Force Base of the Black Sea Fleet, recalled:

      “... we were informed that the wounded, who could go, were allowed to go in a common convoy, but if anyone fell behind, they would be shot. So it was all the way to Balbek ... On Balbek, the German translator announced that the commissars and political officers went to the indicated place. Then they called the commanders. At that time, traitors from the Crimean Tatars walked between the prisoners and sought out these people. If someone was found, then another 15-20 man who was lying nearby was immediately taken away. ”

      Intoxicated by the power of the pro-German leaders of the Bakhchisaray and Alushta Muslim committees (the creation of such bodies is another German indulgence), as a personal initiative, the Germans simply proposed to destroy all the Russians in Crimea. Let me remind you that by the beginning of World War II, the Tatar population of Crimea amounted to 218,18 thousand people - less than 20% of the total population of Crimea (Russians about 50%, Ukrainians 13,7%). Such ethnic cleansing was carried out in two villages of the Bakhchisarai district by the forces of the Tatar "self-defense". However, the Germans did not support the initiative - the war had not yet ended, and there were too many Russians.


      http://www.mywebs.su/blog/history/11930.html
    2. smile
      smile 4 July 2013 14: 13
      +4
      skullcap
      I can subscribe to each of your words, you did not say a word of untruth ...
      But I absolutely disagree with the end of your comment ... how to ask? How to distinguish those who tear the throat that they are affected by those who remained human?
      But even at that time not all Crimeans stained themselves with blood ... it’s impossible ...
      But yelling at every corner about what they have been doing for centuries with the Slavs, about what kind of renaissance they had under the Nazis, when they again had the opportunity to cut the defenseless, it must be done at all angles, otherwise we will be so blamed that we won’t be washed forever. ..
    3. Denis
      4 July 2013 15: 06
      +1
      Quote: kosopuz
      It describes far from the whole truth about the events in the Crimea during the years of occupation.
      The article was for a guide
      article in the guide to the Crimea about the Crimean Tatars
      Although not a sentence at the trial of traitors, but:
      They decided to destroy the circulation, but they fired me
      And what about democracy mumbling?
  28. Kuzkin Batyan
    Kuzkin Batyan 4 July 2013 14: 20
    +2
    If this was true, though a Tatar, I support that they were deported.
    1. Avenger711
      Avenger711 4 July 2013 19: 23
      0
      Crimean Tatars have, in general, nothing to do with the Volga Tatars.
  29. pensioner
    pensioner 4 July 2013 14: 26
    +2
    There are all sorts of international funds supporting various trash, such as the gozmans or our type of Oksana Panova - there are. But to support people like Svetlana Kondratenko - no ... And such people remain after fighting for the truth face to face with their problems. Others will look at the whole thing and think: "Is it worth getting involved at all?" On the other hand, someone seems to be ready to help her, but HOW?
    1. Semen Semyonitch
      Semen Semyonitch 4 July 2013 20: 24
      0
      Quote: retired
      There are all sorts of international funds supporting various trash, such as the gozmans or our type of Oksana Panova - there are. But to support people like Svetlana Kondratenko - no ... And such people remain after fighting for the truth face to face with their problems. Others will look at the whole thing and think: "Is it worth getting involved at all?" On the other hand, someone seems to be ready to help her, but HOW?

      Because our "elite" has no time to do such x-it. The pockets must be stuffed until the pendal is cut off ...
  30. papss
    papss 4 July 2013 14: 31
    0
    otherwise they’ll blame us so much that we won’t wash ourselves off forever ...
    , but don't you think that it is better to let them "blame" than first start closing their mouths to the truth, as in this case, and then cutting ...?
    How to distinguish those who tear the throat that they are affected by those who remained human?
    , and so ... there is act ... there is a legal answer to him, but silence is not an option. This Tatars, he’s fired now, the times are different ... he didn’t look at anything ... by the right of the strong ... in the past, he took his life ... what will happen in the future? - again according to the situation of that time ... but, the choice is only between two points
  31. Vtel
    Vtel 4 July 2013 14: 56
    +2
    From the report of Beria to the State Defense Committee No. 366 / B of April 25, 1944 (from the same Special Folder): “The activities of the Tatar National Committee were supported by the broad strata of the Tatar population, which the German occupation authorities rendered all kinds of support: they did not drive away to work in Germany (excluding 5000 volunteers), did not take out forced labor, provided tax relief, etc. None of the settlements with the Tatar population were destroyed. ”

    Of the deserted Crimean Tatars, a special Tatar division was formed, which took part in the battles in the Sevastopol region on the side of the Germans.

    The Crimean Tatars collaborating with the occupiers actively participated in punitive actions. Against such a background, the bloodiest of wars in which the Crimean Tatars for the most part behaved, to put it mildly, not in the best way, and in May 1944 the Crimean Tatars were evicted from Crimea.
    http://blog.kp.ru/users/3790905/post277186183/
  32. Jarserge
    Jarserge 4 July 2013 15: 11
    +2
    The whole trouble of those who discuss this topic is a voluntary or involuntary approach to the events of those years from the standpoint of the present, so to speak, liberal-democratic. The only thing we can do is try to understand: "According to the data of the High Command of the German Ground Forces from March 20, 1942, about 10 thousand volunteers were recruited for service in the Wehrmacht. In addition:" According to the Tatar Committee, the headmen of the villages organized another 4000 people. In addition, there are about 5000 volunteers at the ready to replenish the formed military units ... we can assume that all combat-ready Tatars have been taken into account. " According to German information, in January 1945, more than 10 thousand Crimean Tatars were still fighting hard in the German armed forces, mainly in the SS, i.e. in fact, even during that victorious period for us, every fifth adult Crimean Tatar shot at our fathers and grandfathers.
    If the traitors were judged according to the laws of the war (According to the articles of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation: "Unauthorized abandonment of the battlefield ... surrender, not caused by the fighting situation ... as well as switching to the enemy’s side, entail the highest measure of social protection with confiscation of property"), then, of course, the loss of a significant part of the male population would lead to ethnocide (loss of demographic potential) of the Crimean Tatars.
    You can often hear that both Russians and Ukrainians had an abundance of traitors. However, the maximum number of those who were in Wehrmacht uniforms (many wore German uniforms in order to survive in captivity hell and run away to their own as soon as possible) or served as policemen for Hitler, who could be pulled by democratically preoccupied historians by lies - 600-700 thousand. The figure is serious, no doubt. However, if we take into account the number of Slavic population of the USSR — 133 million (in 1939), the “betrayal coefficient” is no more than 0,5%. Although this figure is extremely overstated, for example, in 1945 only 148 thousand “Vlasovites” entered special settlements. The Crimean Tatars “without fault of guilty” have a “betrayal coefficient” of more than 10%, and according to the data of the Tatars themselves - 15%.
    If we discard the liberal-democratic snot, what was good for the Crimean Tatars - a court in accordance with wartime or resettlement, even if it was forced?
  33. Avenger711
    Avenger711 4 July 2013 16: 23
    +5
    Tatars who fought in the ranks of the Red Army were sent into exile, there were 9 thousand people


    This is a blatant lie. Go and see the texts of orders, those who were mistakenly hooked, they could file a complaint, and they mobilized only 10 Tatars in the Red Army, if 9000 of them survived, then how did they fight?

    Tatars, Chechens and others must be silent, since they are to blame, at least sit quietly.
    1. Misantrop
      Misantrop 4 July 2013 18: 49
      +1
      Quote: Avenger711
      mobilized only 10 thousand Tatars in the Red Army, if 9000 of them survived, then how did they fight?
      And so they fought ... Most of them deserted in the very first 3 months of the war ... served the Germans ... again deserted ... request
  34. gerc
    gerc 4 July 2013 16: 58
    0
    Why can’t you tweet the news? request
  35. Denis
    5 July 2013 14: 15
    0
    Countrymen and brothers in spirit!
    The author of this article is interested
    Would it be appropriate to thank everyone who supported me in the commentary on the Military Review website?

    tasia46 3 July 2013 14: 41
    Hello! The reason for my dismissal from the publishing house was an article in a guide to Crimea about the Crimean Tatars. Here is this article: "A real catastrophe broke out during the Great Patriotic War. A significant part of the Crimean Tatars met the fascist troops as their liberators.

    tasia46 3 July 2013 20: 10 ↑
    Thank you, Denis!
    She wrote late, but was recently fired, moreover, from a Moscow publishing house. I will try to post an article on the site.
    Guys, support!
  36. tasia46
    tasia46 6 July 2013 03: 14
    0
    Thanks to everyone who commented on my post.
    Your sincere, friendly participation, your support is invaluable.

    S. Kondratenko
    1. Kassandra
      Kassandra 15 June 2014 07: 58
      0
      A year later, it looks especially important. Especially taking into account how some of the Crimean Tatar top officials in the spring several times croaked to the camera that they were "a people deprived of statehood." By all accounts, they should be a people deprived of their homeland forever, if not in general the "Morgenthau plan" as Churchill wanted to do with the Germans.