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Ordinary Russians will pay for “projects of the century”

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Decrees of Russian President Vladimir Putin, which were signed on May 2012 of the year and are based on his election promises, will be implemented by reducing spending on education and health care. About this in the latest issue of 3 July 2013, the newspaper “Vedomosti” writes, the journalists of which analyzed the main provisions of the budget policy of Russia for 2014-2016 years. According to the publication, the implementation of the inaugural presidential decrees will require 2-trillion rubles over the next 3-x years. Of these, 350 billion rubles should be received by the regions of Russia, which need to finance the growth of public sector wages. More about 300 billion rubles may be needed to stimulate the late retirement of Russians, which provides for a new pension reform.


The expenses of the Russian budget in 2014-2016 will also increase due to the financing of large infrastructure projects: 363 billion rubles are to be spent on the construction of the Moscow-Kazan high-speed highway, 286 billion rubles should be allocated to the Far East development program, another 80,6 billion rubles will be needed send to prepare for the World Cup, which Russia will take in 2018 year. At the same time, the state armaments program, on transferring part of the expenses for which Vladimir Putin spoke a month ago, will be preserved in full.

Despite the increase in spending, the Ministry of Finance plans to keep the budget deficit at the level of 1% of GDP and transfer to the Reserve Fund another order of 1,6 trillion. rubles, while national debt is not planned to increase. To reduce costs, the Ministry of Finance proposes to implement a “budget maneuver”: a total of budget optimization for 3 next year should amount to 2,9 trillion. rubles. At the same time, how much the budget expenditures on education and health care will be reduced in the materials of the Izvestia newspaper.

Ordinary Russians will pay for “projects of the century”

Guard justice

The main fighter for social justice in the Russian government - Deputy Prime Minister Olga Golodets has already criticized the draft budget prepared by the Ministry of Finance for 2014-2016 years. Golodets was unable to find in it the proposed financing of the package of measures for the maternity capital program (for 140 billion rubles), for orphans (for 40 billion rubles), for kindergartens, as well as the costs of providing programs for people with disabilities necessary technical means of rehabilitation.

Olga Golodets reproached her colleagues for exceeding their authority and promised that she would categorically strive to include in the budget positions that she considers necessary. “Do not you think that the Ministry of Finance took over the functions that are not peculiar to the Ministry of Finance? You simply have no right to submit the draft budget, which differs from the parameters adopted in Russia, ”said Olga Golodets on Tuesday at the meeting of the Russian Tripartite Commission for the Regulation of Social and Labor Relations (RTC).

True, it is worth noting that the parameters adopted (more precisely, given by Vladimir Putin) differ in so many contradictions that it is very difficult to agree with them. Last year, the president demanded that the Russian budget be deficit by 2015. But, in announcing the budget message in June 2013, Vladimir Putin did not say a single word about this goal in its previous formulations. But he demanded that the country's government support economic growth through the implementation of presidential inaugural decrees. Meanwhile, it is already more and more obvious that the revenues of the Russian budget in 2014-2015 will be significantly less than previously estimated. And long-term obligations, among which there are social ones, cannot be taken back. “If there is not enough money for everything, it is necessary to determine priorities,” Vladimir Putin advised. Here the Ministry of Finance and trying to follow the presidential council. True, the priorities of the Ministry of Finance were quite specific.


The ministry approached the formation of the Russian budget for the coming 3 of the year quite creatively, experts of the Center for Development of the National Research University Higher School of Economics (National Research University Higher School of Economics) say in their traditional economic bulletin with the saying “New KGB” (commentary on the state and business). The Ministry of Finance has proposed a “budget maneuver,” which means reducing part of the costs that have already been included in the budget, and the emergence of a number of new items in it. In 2014, the scale of such a maneuver should be 641,9 billion rubles, of which almost 3 / 4 (73%) will fall to transfers to extrabudgetary funds, and the rest to sequestration of previously issued budget promises.

Where will the released cash go? Here to observe the maneuvers of the Ministry of Finance of Russia becomes especially interesting. Once again, by the way, social costs will grow. So Olga Golodets is a sin to complain so much, although it would be better to spend money on people with disabilities and orphans. Since most of the budget expenditures will be increased for the “power block”, for the maintenance of civil servants and for a number of individual projects (contributions to the authorized capital, the World Cup, the Federal Target Program (FTP)). According to experts, the "power block", the salary increase of civil servants and the World Cup 2018 in football accounts for at least 50% of the additional expenditures of the country's budget. Another 7% falls on “other expenses”, which with a high degree of probability are also related to the costs of law enforcement or defense. Thus, as analysts say, the increase in spending on the “power block”, and at the same time on the salaries of civil servants, is the main content of the “budget maneuver” proposed by the Ministry of Finance.

The company will be composed of new Russian megaprojects, such as the Federal Target Program “Economic and Social Development of the Far East and Transbaikalia” and the construction of a high-speed railway line Moscow-Kazan. At this point in time, they have already managed to find about 80 billion rubles in 2014 for financing them, and this is solely due to a decrease in health and education costs under various plausible pretexts. “Thus, the second“ budget maneuver ”of the Russian Ministry of Finance, which has not yet been fully finalized, consists in financing the“ projects of the century ”by reducing the expenditures on human capital,” the review noted by the National Research University Higher School of Economics.


It is also noteworthy that earlier the Minister of Finance of Russia Anton Siluanov, among other things, proposed to formalize the transfer of part of defense expenditures for the period after 2016. However, in the budget structure, which was sent to the State Duma for the preparation of a “zero reading”, this item was not found. Although this item of expenditure, perhaps, is most often criticized by experts, and which is most painlessly sequestered.

Finally, there was no room in the draft budget to increase support for the budgets of the subjects of the federation, the execution of which in 2013 was significantly complicated by a sharp decline in income tax revenues (minus 20% in the first 5 months of 2013 only). Currently, there are no guarantees that the situation with the incomes of the regions will change significantly for the better, but it will be necessary to fulfill the points of Vladimir Putin’s decrees on the growth of salaries in health care, education and management of regional budgets. Obviously, in this situation, the regions of Russia will reduce other types of expenses, primarily investments, the Center for Development experts sum up.

- And what, "Dynamo" runs? -All run!

Along with this, private capital continues to flee from Russia. According to a preliminary estimate by the Central Bank of Russia, the net outflow of capital from the Russian Federation only for the first 6 months of 2013 of the year amounted to 38,1 billion (over 1,2 trillion rubles). In order to present the amount of this amount, you can give a number of figures: the expenses of the Russian budget in 2012 amounted to 12,871 trillion. rubles, the cost of building a high-speed highway Moscow-Kazan is estimated at approximately 928 billion rubles. In the 2 quarter of 2013, 9,1 billion dollars left Russia. Compared to the 1 quarter, when 29 billion dollars were leaked out of Russia for the cordon, net capital outflow decreased immediately by 3 times. But at the same time, the semi-annual outflow has already exceeded the official forecast of the Ministry of Economic Development of the country for this year - 30-35 billion dollars.


1 July 2013, the country's Minister of Economic Development, Alexei Ulyukayev, in an interview with Prime agency, noted that according to the results of 2013, the net outflow of capital from Russia could be about 50 billion. Initially, officials expected that no more than 2013 billion dollars would be withdrawn from Russia in 10, but this forecast was worsened almost 3 times already in April, but it would be exceeded.

Last time in modern Russian stories net capital inflows into the country were registered in the pre-crisis year 2007. Since then, Russia can not overcome the negative statistics for the economy. In 2011, the outflow of capital from Russia reached its maximum value for 3, the business brought 80,5 billion dollars out of the country. According to updated data from the Central Bank of Russia, in 2012, the outflow of capital slowed down, but still the Russian economy was short of an impressive amount - 62,6 billion dollars. It seems that those who really have money, do not really believe in stability and spiritual bondage of modern Russia. Given that the funds withdrawn from the country would be more than enough for the implementation of many “projects of the century”, the government should turn to face this problem.

Information sources:
-http: //www.utro.ru/articles/2013/07/03/1128799.shtml
-http: //lenta.ru/news/2013/07/03/budget
-http://www.mk.ru/economics/news/2013/07/03/878919-tsb-chistyiy-ottok-kapitala-iz-rossii-vo-ii-kv-sostavil-91-mlrd-protiv-29-mlrd-v-i-kv.html
-http: //lenta.ru/news/2013/07/03/ottok
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  1. experienced
    experienced 4 July 2013 09: 26
    18
    The decrees of Russian President Vladimir Putin, which were signed in May 2012 and based on his campaign promises, will be implemented by reducing spending on education and health.

    There is enough money for the World Cup and Sochi, we give and write off loans to the Papuans ... Yes, they’re threatening us with the news that the 2024 Olympics will be held in St. Petersburg .. I don’t understand request
    1. Atrix
      Atrix 4 July 2013 09: 33
      22
      If officials stole less, then everyone would have had enough money.
      1. Airman
        Airman 4 July 2013 10: 13
        23
        Quote: Atrix
        If officials stole less, then everyone would have had enough money.

        If they knew about the inevitability of punishment, and cruel, they would steal less. And now, the more you stole, the more fluffy you are. You will not scare fines of embezzlers, they will steal more.
    2. nycsson
      nycsson 4 July 2013 11: 53
      20
      Quote: seasoned
      There is enough money for the World Cup and Sochi

      Feast in Time of Plague! In Russia, hundreds of thousands of children are waiting for an expensive operation and many of them are not waiting. am
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 4 July 2013 12: 01
        21
        Come on, expensive operations are on a national scale a penny. The situation with them is due not to lack of funds, but to dullness and slowness of the swollen bureaucratic apparatus.
        1. fisherman
          fisherman 4 July 2013 15: 53
          +2
          and awkwardness and slowness is explained very simply - a thirst for easy and big money
        2. cumastra1
          cumastra1 4 July 2013 18: 30
          10
          Under the Vremya program, I saw how the Dobro program is being conducted. (you beat off an SMS to the number, thus transferring money to the fund for sick children.) Initially, the deed is kind, good and deserves full approval. But it's a shame for the state. More correctly, this program should have been called "Shame of the Country". For this very country cannot find those "kopecks".
          Quote: Spade
          expensive operations it is a nationwide penny

          And our officials, unfortunately, are quick, resourceful, dodgy and witty only when you need to fill your pocket.
          Feast in Time of Plague! join us!
          1. nycsson
            nycsson 4 July 2013 18: 58
            +7
            Quote: cumastra1
            "Shame on the country." For this very country cannot find those "kopecks".

            Totally agree with you! But we are building resorts. 8 billion rubles per springboard instead of 1.2 !!!! Horror !!! wassat
        3. nycsson
          nycsson 4 July 2013 19: 00
          +1
          Quote: Spade
          Come on, expensive operations are on a national scale a penny.

          Compared to these construction sites - really a penny.
          Quote: Spade
          The situation with them is due not to lack of funds, but to dullness and slowness of the swollen bureaucratic apparatus.

          I would say with reluctance. There is no such purpose!
      2. 12061973
        12061973 4 July 2013 13: 42
        +5
        before the next election, the next campaign will begin, then do not yawn, solve your problems, the authorities will show an attraction of unprecedented generosity, and at the end they will show a fig or steal a lot, there will still be another amnesty for embezzlers.
      3. sergey261180
        sergey261180 4 July 2013 15: 50
        0
        Here is a video where B. Mironov talks about politics in medicine.
    3. kris
      kris 4 July 2013 19: 40
      +7
      Quote: seasoned
      There is enough money for the World Cup and Sochi, we give and write off loans to the Papuans ... Yes, they’re threatening us with the news that the 2024 Olympics will be held in St. Petersburg .. I don’t understand

      Thanks to comrade Putin for our happy life! laughing
      sdelanounas - forever !!! laughing
  2. FC SKIF
    FC SKIF 4 July 2013 09: 28
    30
    My child will go to the 1 class in September, and 5 thousand have already been ripped off from us to repair the class. Why the heck do I have an Olympics in Sochi and the World Cup in 2018 if the state has no money to repair schools?
    1. ovgorskiy
      ovgorskiy 4 July 2013 10: 36
      -6
      I can then say, why the hell did I repair the class, my son graduated from high school a long time ago. It is necessary that there is enough for everything, and for the Olympics, and for schools, etc.
      1. Orik
        Orik 4 July 2013 11: 21
        +8
        Egoist! Will your son have no children ?!
        1. ovgorskiy
          ovgorskiy 4 July 2013 15: 54
          +1
          OrikCan you read? A friend writes that he does not need the Olympics, because his son went to school. And I write that this should not interfere with one another. I repeat, we need both the Olympics and good schools, and not one at the expense of the other.
          1. anip
            anip 5 July 2013 05: 04
            +1
            Quote: ovgorskiy
            Eric, can you read? A friend writes that he does not need the Olympics, because his son went to school. And I write that this should not interfere with one another. I repeat, we need both the Olympics and good schools, and not one at the expense of the other.

            Comrade wrote:
            Quote: FC Skif
            Why the heck do I have an Olympics in Sochi and the World Cup in 2018, if the state does not have money to repair schools?

            Otherwise: if there is no money for good schools and good schools and the Olympics are not obtained, then why the heck is this Olympics in Sochi?
      2. FC SKIF
        FC SKIF 4 July 2013 19: 21
        +5
        I in the sense that it is the height of cynicism to hold the most expensive olympiad in history in a country that cannot afford to repair school classes. They would have done something modest, and with the remaining money they brought schools and hospitals to mind.
    2. Lapotnik
      Lapotnik 4 July 2013 12: 07
      15
      There is money, I know for sure. Only the conditions for their receipt are often so flawed that they do not reach. He himself worked in DepOrazovaniya. While they will accept the programs, until they fulfill the conditions - and already the end of the year, and the money has not been spent, and who is to blame? yes all and nobody. And if we take into account public procurements ... the law on public procurements is an authorized embezzlement, what can I say, So no matter which side you look at, there are letters F and I, and we must make the word happiness out of them.
      PS. At one time, the deputy head of the Department, to a comment about gifts to teachers and various fees, said - and that, this is normal, you should present to teachers and the school. I will not talk about nationality ... Yes, most of the "reformers" have the same nationality ... Although it is rather a way of life - a Jew. Damn, as I remembered, it was so overworked again, that's nasty.

      Interesting - I write the word Ж and d, and edits as a Jew ... I and dov as far as I understand have no nationality
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 4 July 2013 12: 18
        11
        Exactly. Our problem is not the lack of funds, but the bureaucratic apparatus, which reduces all allocation of funds to any socially significant sphere to zero.
      2. Joker
        Joker 4 July 2013 17: 16
        +1
        Interesting - I write the word Ж and d, and edits as a Jew ... I and dov as far as I understand have no nationality

        As you can see there is lol
    3. fatalist
      fatalist 4 July 2013 16: 38
      +1
      And why did you take it? Our parent committee also collected 3 thousand each for plastic windows. I immediately said with all my parents that I would not and would not give up.

      The most interesting thing is that there were parents who passed on these very windows, they put them. So now from these plastic windows, in the classroom, the horror is as stuffy - the old wooden ones were vented through the cracks (as it should be with natural ventilation), and the plastic ones are airtight :(
      1. fisherman
        fisherman 4 July 2013 16: 44
        +2
        I immediately said with all my parents that I would not and would not give up.


        I don’t know how good plastic windows are or bad (for school), but in any case, plus for civic activity
    4. dark_65
      dark_65 4 July 2013 17: 46
      0
      If you are ready to pay, then why not take money from you? How do you position yourself, such an interest among the "predators" and cause ...
  3. albanec
    albanec 4 July 2013 09: 30
    13 th
    Yes, everything will be fine. Putin is not engaged in chatter, since he announced plans and projects, then everything has been calculated.
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    2. anip
      anip 4 July 2013 10: 01
      17
      Gorbachev and Yeltsin also voiced plans and projects.
      1. skrgar
        skrgar 4 July 2013 11: 06
        +4
        Quote: anip
        Gorbachev and Yeltsin also voiced plans and projects.

        Bush and Obama are still voicing them ..- already to the laughter of the whole world !!!
    3. skrgar
      skrgar 4 July 2013 11: 05
      12 th
      Quote: albanec
      Yes, everything will be fine. Putin is not engaged in chatter, since he announced plans and projects, then everything has been calculated.

      Yes, the article is lousy! The so-called capital outflow is nothing more than the acquisition of factories abroad with new technologies !!! RUSSIA IS RISING !! -That's how they "shook" ...
      1. Hon
        Hon 4 July 2013 11: 15
        12
        Quote: skrgar
        Yes, the article is lousy! The so-called capital outflow is nothing more than the acquisition of factories abroad with new technologies !!! RUSSIA IS RISING !! -That's how they "shook" ...

        Putin himself has repeatedly voiced the problem of capital outflows, but to you all God's dew
        1. skrgar
          skrgar 4 July 2013 11: 25
          -9
          Quote: Hon
          Quote: skrgar
          Yes, the article is lousy! The so-called capital outflow is nothing more than the acquisition of factories abroad with new technologies !!! RUSSIA IS RISING !! -That's how they "shook" ...

          Putin himself has repeatedly voiced the problem of capital outflows, but to you all God's dew

          And I just see every day that something new is being done, being built! And even having my own stores, I also see what and for what amounts and how much in the growth of person-purchases are made every day !! And I do not stupidly believe everything that they write there. "and others .... And I ride on public transport (which is slowly but also updated) .. I go and visit a lot of places !! I have a simple salesman-cashier with her husband, an elevator repairman, could easily afford to go to the UAE for 10 days to rest the world look !! This is what I know and "see" !!!
          1. the polar
            the polar 4 July 2013 11: 41
            10
            Quote: skrgar
            Quote: Hon
            Quote: skrgar
            Yes, the article is lousy! The so-called capital outflow is nothing more than the acquisition of factories abroad with new technologies !!! RUSSIA IS RISING !! -That's how they "shook" ...

            Putin himself has repeatedly voiced the problem of capital outflows, but to you all God's dew

            And I just see every day that something new is being done, being built! And even having my own stores, I also see what and for what amounts and how much in the growth of person-purchases are made every day !! And I do not stupidly believe everything that they write there. "and others .... And I ride on public transport (which is slowly but also updated) .. I go and visit a lot of places !! I have a simple salesman-cashier with her husband, an elevator repairman, could easily afford to go to the UAE for 10 days to rest the world look !! This is what I know and "see" !!!

            Patriot sufferer! Serebryanyan!
            He gave all the money to his cashier so that she would go to the UAE, and he was shaking on public transport.
            Urgently submit for reward, with damages
            1. skrgar
              skrgar 4 July 2013 11: 44
              -2
              Quote: Polar
              Quote: skrgar
              Quote: Hon
              Quote: skrgar
              Yes, the article is lousy! The so-called capital outflow is nothing more than the acquisition of factories abroad with new technologies !!! RUSSIA IS RISING !! -That's how they "shook" ...

              Putin himself has repeatedly voiced the problem of capital outflows, but to you all God's dew

              And I just see every day that something new is being done, being built! And even having my own stores, I also see what and for what amounts and how much in the growth of person-purchases are made every day !! And I do not stupidly believe everything that they write there. "and others .... And I ride on public transport (which is slowly but also updated) .. I go and visit a lot of places !! I have a simple salesman-cashier with her husband, an elevator repairman, could easily afford to go to the UAE for 10 days to rest the world look !! This is what I know and "see" !!!

              Patriot sufferer! Serebryanyan!
              He gave all the money to his cashier so that she would go to the UAE, and he was shaking on public transport.
              Urgently submit for reward, with damages

              At least I’m doing business, and not talking about the misfortunes of my beloved Motherland! Yes! I’m a PATRIOT !! And my children .. who are still 3rd!
              1. soldier's grandson
                soldier's grandson 4 July 2013 19: 11
                +4
                you are the backbone of corrupt power
            2. smile
              smile 4 July 2013 15: 31
              +5
              the polar
              And what, the fact that skrgar has its stores instantly records it in the category of enemies of the people? From the fact that a person has established his business, has created jobs and does not cry out that bad authorities do not give life to people - has he caused harm to Russia? Strange logic ...
              1. skrgar
                skrgar 4 July 2013 15: 44
                +3
                Quote: smile
                the polar
                And what, the fact that skrgar has its stores instantly records it in the category of enemies of the people? From the fact that a person has established his business, has created jobs and does not cry out that bad authorities do not give life to people - has he caused harm to Russia? Strange logic ...

                hi
              2. Joker
                Joker 4 July 2013 17: 18
                +3
                And what, the fact that skrgar has its stores instantly records it in the category of enemies of the people? From the fact that a person has established his business, has created jobs and does not cry out that bad authorities do not give life to people - has he caused harm to Russia? Strange logic ...

                Envy she is such a thing.
            3. avensis
              avensis 4 July 2013 17: 51
              0
              polar
              Chot your strained humor. Look, the cerebellum will boil.
    4. 12061973
      12061973 4 July 2013 13: 46
      +2
      yes, Albanians in Serbia will be fine.
  4. Airman
    Airman 4 July 2013 09: 32
    15
    363 billion on the HSR Moscow - Kazan, and 286 billion on the FAR Far East. Here are the priorities.
    1. nycsson
      nycsson 4 July 2013 12: 00
      +6
      Ordinary Russians will pay for “projects of the century”
      Who would doubt that! am Tighten the belts tighter, but some will attend the Olympics. I am generally silent about the APEC summit. wassat
      1. Misantrop
        Misantrop 4 July 2013 15: 58
        +4
        Quote: nycsson
        Tighten the belts

        Previously, all top officials should be dressed in uniform. With a belt around his neck. Then it’s possible to tighten, the benefit will be laughing
        1. nycsson
          nycsson 4 July 2013 19: 03
          0
          Quote: Misantrop
          Previously, all top officials should be dressed in uniform. With a belt around his neck. Then it’s possible to tighten, the benefit will be

          Officials in our country mixed up the banks .......
    2. little man
      little man 4 July 2013 13: 19
      +4
      I am joining. Why the hell did it fall this high-speed Moscow-Kazan?
    3. Andrey_K
      Andrey_K 4 July 2013 14: 48
      +1
      How much is the population of Tatarstan (and the whole south of Russia) and how many are in the Far East.
      Why shouldn't Russians pay for "projects of the century"?
      And then who?
      The poopas?
      1. smile
        smile 4 July 2013 15: 38
        +3
        Andrey_K
        Previously, they screamed the throats-Putin spread the money in a small pill-it’s a bit of a sin, we need to give it to everyone and we’ll live ... now they are investing in infrastructure projects - they’re screaming again, they’re squandering people's money! ... this is such a breed of people, they will always scream for any reason .. .a conduct cries will be clear who ....
        I do not like all the actions of the leadership of the state, and the reasons for some actions are incomprehensible ... but, in any case, I try to be consistent in my cries ... and these .... do not think about the text at all, just to make it louder ... .
        1. soldier's grandson
          soldier's grandson 4 July 2013 19: 14
          +3
          his stavlenik taburetkin also invested in projects and how did it end?
  5. orff
    orff 4 July 2013 09: 34
    13
    to cut, so big!
    "United Russia" proposes to revive the police in the country, which was abolished on March 1.
    The police reform initiated by Dmitry Medvedev during his presidency did not satisfy either experts or society. In this regard, law enforcement agencies are waiting for a "reverse reform".
    260 billion has been allocated to rename the police to the police. Apparently, the same not bad amount will be allocated for the reverse renaming.
    1. Misantrop
      Misantrop 4 July 2013 16: 01
      +3
      Quote: orff
      The police reform initiated by Dmitry Medvedev during his presidency did not satisfy either experts or society. In this regard, law enforcement agencies are waiting for a "reverse reform".

      That would be to carry it out at the expense of the initiators and those who led the conduct ... repeat
  6. Grigorich 1962
    Grigorich 1962 4 July 2013 09: 35
    13
    Well, this is already as usual ..... the Russians are like traction horses .... everyone will be pulled out ...... revolution ... intervention ... NEP ..... repression .... war .... devastation ....
    stagnation ... perestroika .... collapse .... dashing .... here and now "projects of the century" ..... a gift for every generation .... but there are people who have gone through it all .. .. iron people ... Glory to Russia !!
  7. Cyril7377
    Cyril7377 4 July 2013 09: 36
    +9
    “The Ministry of Economic Development placed an order on the public procurement website to conduct a study, within the framework of which it is planned to find out the level, structure and specifics of“ business ”corruption, as well as the effectiveness of anti-corruption measures taken in Russia. As stated on the order page, the state contract will cost up to 11 million rubles excluding VAT. ”
    Grand and brilliant, I think. Nobody had thought of cutting loot in the study of cutting dough before.
    1. Sharingan
      Sharingan 4 July 2013 09: 40
      10
      I'm just freaking out! And what for us then the police, the prosecutor's office, trace. committee, FSB, if they are not able to "find out the level, structure and specifics of" business "corruption, as well as the effectiveness of anti-corruption measures taken in Russia"?
      1. Hon
        Hon 4 July 2013 09: 45
        +9
        Quote: Sharingan
        And what for then, the police, prosecutors, trace. committee, FSB

        They are at work.
        1. anip
          anip 5 July 2013 05: 08
          0
          Quote: Hon
          They are at work.

          And now they want to do some more with business. laughing
      2. soldier's grandson
        soldier's grandson 4 July 2013 19: 15
        +1
        this is so that no one offends corruption
  8. My address
    My address 4 July 2013 09: 40
    +7
    And you can not save on officials? After all, ahead of the rest of the planet in terms of their population. Cut by one third, remaining to warn what to expect in the absence of results.

    To the comment by BROWN - Sverdlovsk fidget from the desire to hold EXPO-2020 in Yekaterinburg. Officially, and for now, for just 15-20 billion dollars. Those. clearly outdid Sochi-2014. Well Hotz leave a mark on history. Let him smelly. GDP supports this event, because money has nowhere else to go.
    1. Sharingan
      Sharingan 4 July 2013 09: 43
      +5
      Quote: My address
      . Officially, and so far, for only $ 15-20 billion. Those. clearly surpass Sochi 2014. Well hotts leave a mark on history

      They wanted to lay on the trail in history, but to saw off a piece from these 15-20 billion dollars is the main goal and dream of the Ural bureaucrats.
    2. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 4 July 2013 10: 26
      12
      Quote: My address
      But you can’t save on officials?
      1. Stas
        Stas 4 July 2013 19: 46
        +5
        The bureaucrats whom he diligently grows and feeds and minuses.
    3. My address
      My address 4 July 2013 10: 59
      +3
      Minus clearly not with the filing of the State Department.
      1. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 4 July 2013 11: 12
        +8
        Quote: My address
        Minus clearly not with the filing of the State Department.


        How is it not from the pitch ?! It can’t be, for sure it’s the State Department! bully
        1. GUSAR
          GUSAR 6 July 2013 22: 27
          +1
          SUPER!!! You can’t say better! And yet - it's 100 pounds of the State Department recently I was drunk under the window drunk, and then vomited, so that the whole house did not sleep!
  9. Mikado
    Mikado 4 July 2013 09: 41
    +3
    "Another 300 billion rubles may be needed to stimulate the late retirement of Russians, which is envisaged by the new pension reform."

    is that interesting? 300 billion go to campaign chtoli?))
    1. anip
      anip 5 July 2013 05: 09
      +1
      Quote: Mikado
      "Another 300 billion rubles may be needed to stimulate the late retirement of Russians, which is envisaged by the new pension reform."

      is that interesting? 300 billion go to campaign chtoli?))

      I think they will simply raise the retirement age and declare it to be "incentives for late retirement," and they will drink some loot. But as always.
  10. ale-x
    ale-x 4 July 2013 09: 44
    +3
    Akhtung .... Pension is in danger ... I'm afraid and will not survive ....
  11. Mizhgan
    Mizhgan 4 July 2013 09: 44
    -3
    Who is the customer of the article? Vedomosti? Who paid? Which NGO?
    "It is worth opening the newspaper" Vedomosti "or" Kommersant ", turn on the" Echo of Moscow ", or listen to other similar" mouthpieces of freedom ", and all the information that relates to Russia's internal affairs, or Russia's foreign policy activity, and issues of Russian history and culture , will be served with a mockery, with mocking ridicule, with a constant desire to belittle the role of Russia, to present Russians in a humiliating light, to discredit the achievements of traditional Russia, or the USSR. "

    http://topwar.ru/27189-ob-antirossiyskoy-cenzure-v-zapadnyh-smi.html
    1. skrgar
      skrgar 4 July 2013 10: 58
      -3
      Quote: Mijgan
      Who is the customer of the article? Vedomosti? Who paid? Which NGO?
      "It is worth opening the newspaper" Vedomosti "or" Kommersant ", turn on the" Echo of Moscow ", or listen to other similar" mouthpieces of freedom ", and all the information that relates to Russia's internal affairs, or Russia's foreign policy activity, and issues of Russian history and culture , will be served with a mockery, with mocking ridicule, with a constant desire to belittle the role of Russia, to present Russians in a humiliating light, to discredit the achievements of traditional Russia, or the USSR. "

      http://topwar.ru/27189-ob-antirossiyskoy-cenzure-v-zapadnyh-smi.html

      I agree! And in general, if there is not enough money for a social program .. In the current threats, I am for huge funding simply to go to rearm the Russian army !!! I, PERSONALLY, WILL SUFFER AND ON DRUKERS !!!! And there are a lot of people like me !!!
      1. spok
        spok 4 July 2013 13: 32
        +7
        I’ve been on breadcrumbs for a long time
        and I don’t want to endure anymore as they stole and will be
        real business is needed, not rubber tanks and s-300
      2. sergey261180
        sergey261180 4 July 2013 15: 34
        +3
        Golden words Yuri Venediktych! You do not take care of yourself. You need to rest, you are a golden man! You think all about Russia.
      3. soldier's grandson
        soldier's grandson 4 July 2013 19: 18
        0
        I only bear it! urgently increase pensions and child benefits by 5 times
        1. fartfraer
          fartfraer 5 July 2013 19: 12
          0
          in vain, you’re ironic) a citizen may have sold the hut, moved to the hatch, transfers money to the accounts of the Ministry of Defense, rubbish, etc. I understand that this is a patriot) not like eternally dissatisfied teachers, doctors or irresponsible citizens.
          I hope where the irony lives guess)
  12. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 4 July 2013 09: 44
    +4
    A very good article. Strongly plus. Thanks to the author - I learned a lot for myself!
    1. ovgorskiy
      ovgorskiy 4 July 2013 11: 00
      0
      Go to "Echo of Moscow", you will also learn a lot about yourself and our country. Just don't be surprised, they live in a parallel reality.
      1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 4 July 2013 12: 26
        +3
        Go to the "capital city" yourself. What should I do there? Well, the author of this article writes about the real one.
        1. smile
          smile 4 July 2013 16: 12
          +1
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          But the author of the article neatly brings to the same conclusions as this one, as you quite rightly put it "capital ykkha". Does it bother you?
  13. Cartoon
    Cartoon 4 July 2013 09: 46
    +9
    "If I fall asleep and wake up in a hundred years and they ask me what is happening in Russia now, I will answer, DRINK AND STEAL"
    Saltykov-Shchedrin
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 4 July 2013 11: 11
      +1
      Quote: Cartoon
      If i fall asleep

      Amen...
    2. smile
      smile 4 July 2013 15: 48
      0
      Cartoon
      Yes. This quote indicates that. that shit on their country and their people is not the prerogative of the marsh. and the old tradition of a part of the tilligent-g. on the nation ... I believe so, and you there too?
  14. Constantine
    Constantine 4 July 2013 09: 51
    +5
    Infrastructure projects will be financed by the National Welfare Fund, while the fund itself is formed from income received from the oil and gas sector, as well as the money received as a result of managing this fund. Strange experts, if they dragged by the ears that orphans are being deprived, and for their money they will build railways and invest in other projects. At the same time, official statements were bypassed. What I want - I see, but what I do not want - I do not see, so what?

    In my opinion, this is a well-assembled article, but not entirely reliable, and the goal was to pour fouls over the government. However, I don't expect anything else from many economic analysts. Many of them are "one school" and one field of berries. The installation of negativity in analytical articles about Russia is observed everywhere.

    + the sources of information, or rather MK and Lenta.ru, are questionable. The tape generally has a "special" reputation for "objective" media. By the way, experts from Utro.ru are generally not an understandable resource.
    1. smile
      smile 4 July 2013 16: 15
      +2
      Constantine
      Greetings! You are absolutely right. And the tape Vru has long had the same reputation as the "echo of Moscow" and "rain" - they have earned.
      1. Constantine
        Constantine 4 July 2013 16: 30
        +2
        Smile, and good evening to you! There you can add Forbes and partially RBC. The latter are not so pronounced in this aspect, unlike Forbes. They blocked me at Forbes in the winter of 2011, when I did not fit into the general background of indignation, and the article there was cheap, which, incidentally, has often been sinned recently. As a result, the article was removed, but they cut me out. :) Here they are, free and democratic media) the benefit of screenshots is a memory :)
  15. Cyril7377
    Cyril7377 4 July 2013 09: 57
    0
    Quote: Sharingan
    I'm just freaking out! And what for us then the police, the prosecutor's office, trace. committee, FSB, if they are not able to "find out the level, structure and specifics of" business "corruption, as well as the effectiveness of anti-corruption measures taken in Russia"?

    In principle, they can do this, moreover, even now partly carry out this work, the whole trick is that they were loaded with such garbage that they do not get their hands on the real work, they are all mired in reports, pieces of paper, a familiar leader told me that he has up to 150 different control tasks per month, sometimes with a deadline of several hours. This is called sabotage in Italian (a hectic activity for nothing), but there is always something for the management to report on :)
    1. Constantine
      Constantine 4 July 2013 10: 32
      +3
      In healthcare, they introduced a similar practice under DAM) a lot of different unnecessary reports and that's it tomorrow)
  16. treskoed
    treskoed 4 July 2013 10: 00
    +2
    As you can see from the article, it is most allocated to corruption projects - where it is easier to cut down, there is more money!
  17. papss
    papss 4 July 2013 10: 12
    +4
    The outflow of capital is allocated the final part of the whole article ... and here is the ending
    It seems that those who really have money do not really believe in the stability and spiritual bonds of modern Russia
    , speculators of shares on the stock exchange believe in anything? So it is written about these amounts, as if they were invested in factories ... they built the foundation and then stopped the construction by taking the investments ... They do not have these amounts ... they went in and out. Benefits for Russia "0"
    1. fisherman
      fisherman 4 July 2013 12: 19
      0
      people want to live in the west, they love the west

      while there are many such people, there will be a large outflow of capital

      there are, however, other components to the south, for example
  18. Idolum
    Idolum 4 July 2013 10: 30
    +2
    ... the newspaper Vedomosti writes, whose journalists analyzed ...

    I didn't read further. With the level of education of "our" journalists, it only remains to analyze, ANALists damn it ...
  19. ovgorskiy
    ovgorskiy 4 July 2013 10: 54
    -2
    "Ordinary Russians will pay for" projects of the century "
    Another vyssor .. of the liberal economic "elite". In general, HSE has become a mouthpiece for American and other oligarchs and conscientiously fulfills grants. From year to year they predict the economic collapse of Russia, and again they are wrong. It is generally difficult to think of a more stupid title. The wealth of a country, its GDP, is precisely the sum of what the citizens of this country earn. The government has no other money than taxes, excise taxes, duties, etc., i.e. money earned by the citizens of the country, and all government spending comes from this money. And Russia needs "projects of the century", otherwise we will not see and return the status of "Great Power", I hope it is clear who really does not want this.
  20. AVV
    AVV 4 July 2013 10: 59
    +4
    The Soviet Union collected the military budget from vodka, a renewable source, and the army was strong and provided with equipment, and now they have given the vodka to private hands, and according to Stepashin, they collect miserable taxes from it! You need to have some benefit from the potion! And not only harm to health! Oil, gas someday run out, and taxes on alcohol and the budget will replenish, the plants need to gradually take over the state !!!
    1. sergey261180
      sergey261180 4 July 2013 15: 40
      0
      I already exhibited. I’ll expose it again.
  21. pensioner
    pensioner 4 July 2013 11: 09
    +7
    A little off topic, but ... What is happening in our football / hockey in general is beyond good and evil. You look at the amount of transfers - you can go crazy! And this is with so many problems within the country! SHOW can not cost so much! And do not say that everything is private. What, for the Hulk, Danny, Witsel, Schalke 04 Gazprom shareholders took money out of their pocket or what? Yeah, shchazzzz ... And how much more black cash is spinning there? Yes, if you put things in order there, then not one subsidized area will breathe a sigh of relief ...
    1. fisherman
      fisherman 4 July 2013 12: 23
      0
      Yes, if you put things in order there,


      CSKA won the championship with the 7th budget
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 4 July 2013 13: 14
        0
        Quote: fisherman
        CSKA won the championship with the 7th budget

        To CSKA then generally no complaints! Purely private structure. Budget money is zero! Moreover, financial statements are regularly published. Well done! And who else are SUCH? And almost no one !!
  22. Yarosvet
    Yarosvet 4 July 2013 11: 24
    +4
    For projects of the century WILL be paid ...
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 4 July 2013 11: 25
      +4
      __________________________________
      1. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 4 July 2013 11: 25
        +3
        ___________________________________
        1. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 4 July 2013 11: 26
          +2
          _____________________
  23. t-95
    t-95 4 July 2013 11: 36
    -7
    People!!!!!!!!!!!! Well honestly it’s not funny anymore, I’m not trying to sing Putin, but he is the first real and adequate for the last 30 years. If someone says that our life has become worse than it was 20 years ago, etc. I really want to spit. But what kind of people are we so that we would not do, no matter how we do, everything is bad for us. No national projects are bad, they appeared even worse. They steal in Russia? Yes, they steal and always steal. But we live, the country lives. Looking forward to the ideal? Probably we are waiting, but there is no harmony on earth, and never will be. And our leaders are like that, because we are like that and we don’t have to blame the mirror
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 4 July 2013 11: 44
      +4
      Quote: t-95
      If someone says that our life has become worse than it was 20 years ago, etc. I really want to spit.

      I think it’s not worth spitting - why spoil the monitor, but I hope to get an answer from you a couple of questions:

      1 Why do you compare the current standard of living with 90's, and not with the end of 70's - the beginning of 80's?

      2 How much do you spend on food - personally for yourself?
      1. nov_tech.vrn
        nov_tech.vrn 4 July 2013 11: 55
        -1
        well, it’s not worth comparing with 70s and 80s, you are probably off topic, you didn’t live, of course, you would not have dragged the standard of living, but I also remember Gaidar reforms, when people became not only naked but also hungry
        1. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 4 July 2013 12: 26
          +4
          Quote: nov_tech.vrn
          Well, with 70s and 80s it’s not worth comparing, you probably are not in the subject

          Yes, I'm not from this world at all laughing

          I asked specific questions. In response, without any justification, you say that you should not compare - be so kind as to explain why.
          1. nov_tech.vrn
            nov_tech.vrn 4 July 2013 14: 49
            +2
            because, in the 70-80s, people lived much poorer, they didn’t wear particularly fashionable clothes and there was no shame to bring their older brother’s coat, and shoes came from older children to younger ones, there weren’t any special stores, but the products were of high quality, and the lines were for sausage in the 80s, it’s not invented, education is another thing, if you don’t take MGIMO and the like, it was affordable, so my classmate went to Baumanovka freely, passed and entered and the hostel we cost 4.50 scholarships first 40, then 46 rubles, there were social elevators , there was really free medicine and confidence in the future, but the standard of living was lower, people just knew how to be content with what was and knew that they would not die of hunger, I would not talk about the countryside, I heard, but did not see.
            1. Yarosvet
              Yarosvet 4 July 2013 15: 27
              +2
              Quote: nov_tech.vrn
              because, in the years 70-80, people lived much poorer, they didn’t wear particularly fashionable clothes, and it was not shameful to bring their older brother to a coat ...

              A very interesting assessment of the standard of living.

              And tell me - the impossibility of buying fashionable clothes, sausages, etc. Was it caused by the fact that such goods could afford absolutely everything (as a result of which they did not remain on the shelves), or because the incomes of the population were extremely low compared to existing prices (as now)?

              Tell me - what is the PPP of the Soviet ruble of the 80s in relation to the current ruble, what is the PPP of the minimum and average wages of the late USSR in relation to the current ones?


              PS You seem to be an intelligent man, but your assessment is at the level: "in the 80s life was worse in the XNUMXs than now, because they did not have mobile phones and six hundred Mercedes".
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            2. Misantrop
              Misantrop 4 July 2013 16: 10
              +4
              Quote: nov_tech.vrn
              it was not shameful to report a coat for an older brother
              But now there is grace. Castoffs from all over the world, second hand shops on every corner. I don't care what is unknown from whom, but fashionable laughing
            3. nycsson
              nycsson 4 July 2013 18: 45
              +3
              Quote: nov_tech.vrn
              because, in 70-80, people lived much poorer

              What kind of nonsense? request
      2. nycsson
        nycsson 4 July 2013 12: 07
        +8
        Quote: Yarosvet
        1 Why do you compare the current standard of living with 90's, and not with the end of 70's - the beginning of 80's?

        It is necessary to compare with 80 mi, i.e. before the collapse of the USSR.
        Quote: Yarosvet
        2 How much do you spend on food - personally for yourself?

        The majority of the population of the Russian Federation all the money goes to food! With our minimum wage I trudge! wassat There are smart people who support them! wassat
        1. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 4 July 2013 12: 30
          +5
          Quote: nycsson
          It is necessary to compare with 80 mi, i.e. before the collapse of the USSR.
          I think the period of the 78th - 82nd is the most.

          The majority of the population of the Russian Federation all the money goes to food! With our minimum wage I trudge!
          So I wanted to ask the comrade the reasons for his enthusiasm. laughing
          1. Led1989
            Led1989 4 July 2013 14: 43
            +2
            Quote: Yarosvet
            I think the period of the 78th - 82nd is the most.

            Are you serious?

            This is the same as requiring the service station to bring the 30-year-old car to a state close to the factory one, and even after the car spent 10 years in the possession of an alcoholic, and suffered an accident (default of the late nineties). The power of the state is industry, the material and technical base was almost finished in the period from 1990 to 2000. At the moment, new plants are being built, old ones and others are being reconstructed.

            And if you live so badly in Russia, come to (to) Ukraine, live half a year, work for a salary of 300 cu (this is if you are lucky to get settled).

            Everything is known in comparison, that at the moment Russia has achieved better results in comparison with the other republics of the USSR, in my opinion, it is not necessary to prove.

            Could it have been better? Probably yes. If now dramatically change the government will be better? I am 100% sure that no.
            1. fisherman
              fisherman 4 July 2013 15: 02
              -1
              Everything is relative,


              the educators have found an extremum point on the development chart, they offer to compare it with it

              apparently, due to the suspended animation of part of the head lobes, they forgot that the USSR existed in other time periods as well :)
            2. Yarosvet
              Yarosvet 4 July 2013 15: 37
              +1
              Quote: Led1989
              Everything is known in comparison, that at the moment Russia has achieved better results in comparison with the other republics of the USSR, in my opinion, it is not necessary to prove.

              Total 3 question:

              1 Are you able to provide a link to the list of enterprises under construction and under restoration, and the list of goods that these enterprises will produce for domestic consumption?

              2 Do you focus on homeless people in your career aspirations?

              3 Can the current, so-called "liberal" socio-economic policy bring the standard of living of an ordinary citizen to a level comparable to that of the USSR in the 80s?
              1. Led1989
                Led1989 4 July 2013 16: 13
                0
                1.http: //sdelanounas.ru/

                For pathos, I could pull links to open or bookmark new enterprises, but I think that the site is not complicated and you can easily navigate it.

                2. Is this an attempt to insult? No, I don’t focus on homeless people, but also far from pure oligarchs (the USA, some are strange for the EU if I correctly understood your analogy about homeless people) I don’t focus either.

                3. Can you correctly shift the standard of living of a Soviet man of the 80s in our time? If you try to do this, you will find a completely different level of values ​​and needs. What did people have in the 80s, what is the problem for the average Russian now? I think nothing. But if you look at the situation from the reverse side? I’ll ask differently, for what benefits, now not available, do you miss remembering the 80s?
                1. Yarosvet
                  Yarosvet 4 July 2013 17: 01
                  +2
                  Wonderful site: 50% is a combination of information on the repair of military equipment and promises to create new models for projects of the 80s by the nth year.
                  Percent 30 - information about enterprises whose products can only be used by the West.
                  The rest is infa about small-town successes in the creation and repair of football fields, farms, medical centers, etc.

                  I asked about enterprises producing goods for domestic consumption (it is desirable that these were full-cycle production).

                  I want to suggest you throw a topic through the search engine: "List of destroyed the largest and most high-tech enterprises"

                  2. Is this an attempt to insult? No, I don’t focus on homeless people, but also far from pure oligarchs (the USA, some are strange for the EU if I correctly understood your analogy about homeless people) I don’t focus either.
                  I have no intention of insulting, but taking a guideline is not the best, and the worst is stupid.
                  They got it wrong - it’s specifically about the Russian Federation and the USSR.

                  3. Can you correctly shift the standard of living of a Soviet man of the 80s in our time? If you try to do this, you will find a completely different level of values ​​and needs. What did people have in the 80s, what is the problem for the average Russian now? I think nothing.
                  It is not a matter of values, but of basic human needs.
                  70 rubles of the minimum salary of the late USSR at purchasing power parity are equal to 25000 modern (the Soviet man received the same amount in the form of natural goods - permits, low tariffs, housing and other social guarantees).
                  Here is a comparison of consumer baskets in the USSR and the Russian Federation: http://born-in-ussr.livejournal.com/74154.html

                  But if you look at the situation from the reverse side? I’ll ask differently, for what benefits, now not available, do you miss remembering the 80s?
                  Correspondence of the living wage to reality, high social guarantees, at least a significantly higher level of equality before the law than now.
                  1. Led1989
                    Led1989 4 July 2013 17: 52
                    +1
                    Quote: Yarosvet
                    70 rubles of the minimum salary of the late USSR at purchasing power parity are equal to 25000 modern (the Soviet man received the same amount in the form of natural goods - permits, low tariffs, housing and other social guarantees).


                    This summer, a friend came from Urengoysk (you must agree that this is far from the center of Russia), he works as an electrician of the 4th category, his salary is 50 thousand rubles. In 2-3 years he will receive the 6th category and will receive in the region of 90 thousand rubles. I do not see much disagreement with the standard of living regarding what you described.

                    Quote: Yarosvet
                    I asked about enterprises producing goods for domestic consumption (it is desirable that these were full-cycle production).


                    Agriculture has been developing very intensively for the last 2-3 years, the oil refining industry is also making progress, and I'm not talking about exporting raw materials, but about processing it into fuel, etc. Metallurgy, especially in the field of pipe rolling, completely covers domestic needs, and works intensively for export.

                    What they don’t do in Russia. Actually electronics and things. But I want to remind you of the illustrative story that happened at the Olympics in London, all the clothes of US athletes were suddenly sewn in China, the scandal was terrible.

                    I’m talking about this, globalization is in full swing (to mine, and as I understand it to your regret), there’s no getting away from it, and this is a problem not only in Russia but also in the entire highly developed world. While China and other countries of Asia are working for pennies, the production of everything that can be leaked there, and yes it’s bad, the consequences will be disheveled by our children. Unless of course in the near future there will be a global redivision of the world, with a large number of victims and a change in the entire structure of the economy. In my opinion this goes. The question is, will Russia and Europe stand in general?
                    1. Yarosvet
                      Yarosvet 4 July 2013 18: 49
                      +2
                      Quote: Led1989
                      salary 50 thousand rubles. In 2-3 years he will receive the 6th category and will receive in the region of 90 thousand rubles. I do not see much disagreement with the standard of living regarding what you described.
                      What is the average salary in the country? What is the size of the minimum wage? What is the size of the living wage for the able-bodied population?

                      Agriculture has been developing very intensively for the last 2-3 years, the oil refining industry is also making progress, and I'm not talking about exporting raw materials, but about processing it into fuel, etc. Metallurgy, especially in the field of pipe rolling, completely covers domestic needs, and works intensively for export.
                      Having figured out the minimum wage and average salary, estimate the possibilities for the population to consume domestic agricultural products.
                      What level of refined fuel?
                      Pipe rolling blocks domestic needs by chance, not because such products simply have nowhere to be used?
                      In whose jurisdiction and ownership are these enterprises located?

                      What they don’t do in Russia. Actually electronics and things. But I want to remind you of the illustrative story that happened at the Olympics in London, all the clothes of US athletes were suddenly sewn in China, the scandal was terrible.
                      AND? Are we like everyone else? How a flock of lemmings breaking to a cliff?
                      We do not have a system of self-sufficiency in essential goods and mass consumption - it’s the same as driving at a speed of 100 km / h without brakes on a straight road, and instead of trying to slow down, we stupidly hope that there are no turns.

                      I’m talking about this, globalization is in full swing (to mine, and as I understand it to your regret), there’s no getting away from it, and this is a problem not only in Russia but also in the entire highly developed world.
                      And where is she going - you thought? Who initiated it and why?
                      What makes you think that you can’t get out of the process?

                      the consequences will dissolve our children. Unless of course in the near future there will be a global redivision of the world, with a large number of victims and a change in the entire structure of the economy. In my opinion this goes. The question is, will Russia and Europe stand in general?
                      This is what we are talking about, although while maintaining the current vector of Russian policy, the answer to the question - "will we stand" - has no options.
                      1. Orion
                        Orion 4 July 2013 20: 04
                        -2
                        ti sho pedan local ebola?
                      2. Led1989
                        Led1989 4 July 2013 22: 26
                        -1
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        What is the average salary in the country? What is the size of the minimum wage? What is the size of the living wage for the able-bodied population?

                        According to the minimum wage

                        http://www.mojazarplata.ru/main/minimumwages/mrot-2000-2010

                        Yes, this is not much, but growth is significantly ahead of inflation.

                        Average salary

                        http://quote.rbc.ru/macro/indicator.shtml?bdate=11.07.1991&edate=04.07.2013&ind_
                        id = 210 & c_id = 1 & page = 5

                        Scroll through the table.
                        From interesting
                        February 05 7.465
                        September 06 11.127
                        May 08 16.643
                        January 10 18.938
                        September 11 23.468
                        May 13 30.000

                        Statistics speak for themselves.
                        At the cost of living, the same picture is approximately.


                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        What level of refined fuel?


                        http://www.wiki-prom.ru/20otrasl.html

                        As I said, basically a full cycle.

                        On agricultural products, curious statistics
                        http://opoccuu.com/wages.htm

                        Metal rolling

                        http://www.metaltorg.ru/analytics/publication/index.php?id=3959

                        Growth is available.
                        About whose property, I won’t say exactly, but the state share is in most large enterprises.

                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        We do not have a system of self-sufficiency in essential goods and mass consumption


                        I do not agree. Essential goods is

                        http://www.molnet.ru/mos/ru/n_68/o_3205

                        All this is. There is still fuel, electricity, and not of the highest quality, but there is light industry (things, soap, etc.). Roughly speaking, if Russia survives completely closing the border, there will be no computers and iPhones, but this is not the first necessity.

                        About "Like everyone else." If globalization is stopped now, people will rebel, they are used to having a choice of what to buy. And you understand that. Even if the communists come to power, there will be no "iron curtain".

                        To exit globalization at the moment is political suicide for any government.

                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        This is what we are talking about, although while maintaining the current vector of Russian policy, the answer to the question - "will we stand" - has no options.


                        I want to draw attention to the current reform of the army, most experts on this site are inclined to believe that what they are doing now is good, and leads to the opposition of the armed forces. In fact, this is what worries me. If liberal Putin began to re-preserve the army, then something is being prepared. The movements of China in India and Japan in the direction of building up forces are becoming more evident. Almost the whole world is bought by weapons.

                        P.S. And only Ukraine finally finishes off everything that remains of the Armed Forces. But considering who we have in the manual, this may be for the better.
                      3. Yarosvet
                        Yarosvet 5 July 2013 00: 10
                        0
                        Quote: Led1989
                        According to the minimum wage ... this is not much, but growth is significantly ahead of inflation.
                        Is it? You are talking about the average inflation, calculated from the change in prices for "loaf of bread and Mercedes" (such inflation is significant for 25% of the population). http://blog.kob.tomsk.ru/1471

                        I am talking about Consumer inflation, which is an increase in prices for a list of consumer goods, transport and all kinds of tariffs (such inflation is significant for 75% of the population with salaries below 30000).
                        Since 2000, consumer inflation in Russia has never dropped below 20%, and averages 25% (one tariff increase - 30% annually).

                        Now the minimum wage: from 01.06.11/4611/01.01.13 - 5205, and only from 1.5/13/30 - XNUMX, that is, growth over XNUMX years was about XNUMX%, while consumer inflation was at least XNUMX% - where is the inflation ahead?

                        Further: article 7 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation says that Russia is a SOCIAL state. Article 133 of the Labor Code of the Russian Federation says that the minimum wage cannot be less than the subsistence level for the able-bodied population. Government Decision N545 dated 27.06.13/7633/5205 approved the subsistence minimum for t / n in the amount of XNUMX rubles, and the minimum wage established by the Federal Law, which is signed by the president, has a size of XNUMX rubles. - What is it like? What is this if not a direct violation by the president of the Labor Code and the Constitution?

                        Average salary
                        In the Russian Federation at the moment = 27000 rubles, that is, most of the population has a salary in the region of 20-25 thousand (we round up to 30).
                        Since February 05th, wage growth has been 300%, and consumer inflation growth has been 200% (GDP growth over the same period is also 200%). But there is one tricky nuance: the minimum wage in the liberal USA = 33% of GDP per capita. In Canada, France, Germany - 38%. In poor Greece - 40%. In China, Cyprus - 50%. In the SOCIAL state, Russia is 17% of the nominal GDP per capita, or 12% of the PPP GDP.
                        The Russian Federation has extremely low social guarantees that directly violate the Constitution, and the lower a person’s salary, the more inflation hits him, which for at least 50% of the population is either on par with or higher than their incomes.

                        For the rest of your comment, I will answer a little later.
                      4. Yarosvet
                        Yarosvet 5 July 2013 02: 38
                        +1
                        Quote: Led1989
                        As I said, basically a full cycle
                        The full cycle - from development to release of the product / product. There is no such information in the link provided.
                        Also, despite the lack of information about the owners, I think that the assumption of a significant participation of foreign capital in these enterprises will be correct (jurisdiction is in question).
                        Again - the number of factories has grown markedly, but the sense for the country and people from this is 0.

                        On agricultural products, curious statistics
                        http://opoccuu.com/wages.htm
                        Link to the left statistics on salaries in tsarist Russia and the USSR.

                        Metal rolling
                        Growth is available.
                        Yes, but at the expense of whom? Due to the Olympics or foreigners? And ordinary citizens from this what?

                        About whose property, I won’t say exactly, but the state share is in most large enterprises.
                        Yes, but the smaller this share, the more money passes by the treasury (for us, more than 60% of the benefits are unknown to anyone who pokes into their pockets).

                        I do not agree. Essentials ...
                        there is light industry (things, soap, etc.). Roughly speaking, if Russia survives completely closing the border, there will be no computers and iPhones, but this is not the first necessity.
                        To survive, it will survive. We provide 80 percent of our food products, but:
                        Do we produce enough fodder? Do we make fabrics? Shoe materials and shoes? Medicines and medical equipment? Do we have an appropriate production? And how much time will it take to set up production of at least military electronics in isolation? And you can dig a lot of such nuances.

                        About "Like everyone else." If globalization is stopped now, people will rebel, they are used to having a choice of what to buy. And you understand that. Even if the communists come to power, there will be no "iron curtain".
                        The creation of their main industries and the way out of the process of political globalization does not mean a rejection of trade, but not going out means a continuation of the movement towards a new feudalism, on conditions that are very unfavorable for citizens.

                        To exit globalization at the moment is political suicide for any government.
                        But not to go out means a real suicide stretched out in time, though not for the Authority, but for the people.

                        most experts on this site are inclined to believe that what they are doing now is good, and leads to the opposition of the armed forces. In fact, this is what worries me. If liberal Putin began to re-preserve the army, then something is being prepared. The movements of China in India and Japan in the direction of building up forces are becoming more evident. Almost the whole world is bought by weapons.
                        I agree. But even more alarming is the production of not military, but police equipment (Tigers, Bears, Typhoons, etc.), along with the strengthening of the internal troops - aren't they going to suppress riots.

                        The leadership of any country behaves now as a crime dividing spheres of influence and is engaged in banal racketeering against citizens.
                      5. Led1989
                        Led1989 5 July 2013 10: 27
                        0
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        Yes, but at the expense of whom? Due to the Olympics or foreigners? And ordinary citizens from this what?


                        Ordinary Chinese citizens also have nothing to do with the fact that they produce iPhones all over the world, and yet we all agreed that factories in China are good primarily for China, so why do you refuse to acknowledge that factories in Russia even working for export are good for Russia?

                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        The creation of their main industries and the way out of the process of political globalization does not mean a rejection of trade, but not going out means a continuation of the movement towards a new feudalism, on conditions that are very unfavorable for citizens.


                        You will never make the capitalists intend to incur losses, not one person will want to open a knowingly unprofitable production of T-shirts and jeans in Russia, does it make sense? People will mainly take what is cheaper (China). That is, the only option is to open a state-owned T-shirt factory, and subsidize it so that the products come out cheaper than Chinese, that is, one more load on the feet of the budget. There is of course another option, to close the borders, but you yourself wrote

                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        The creation of its main industries and exit from the process of political globalization does not mean a rejection of trade


                        I wish it were so, but no. As practice shows, people do not always prefer domestic producers, and Putin has nothing to do with it at all, this is the mentality grown back in Soviet times, "Western is better" and kill yourself.

                        You and I agree in many respects, but we don’t agree in conclusions, you want to change power, I really don’t see who to change.

                        I would be grateful if you write to whom you see the president at this difficult time?
                    2. Led1989
                      Led1989 5 July 2013 10: 12
                      0
                      Quote: Yarosvet
                      Link to the left statistics on salaries in tsarist Russia and the USSR.


                      Forgive me, of course, but read what you write, you wrote

                      Quote: Yarosvet
                      Having figured out the minimum wage and average salary, estimate the possibilities for the population to consume domestic agricultural products.


                      And I provided statistics where one of the columns is the salary in potatoes, what does this not suit you for the possibility of agricultural consumption?
                    3. Yarosvet
                      Yarosvet 5 July 2013 16: 37
                      +2
                      Quote: Led1989
                      in China is good primarily for China
                      They did not agree: China has a strong social policy for the urban working population, and the rural standard of living is extremely low (50-70% of the Chinese population live in poverty).
                      In China, it’s good for the authorities, businessmen affiliated with the authorities, and a small layer of ordinary citizens — that is, the same 25% of the population as in the Russian Federation (this is in terms of living standards). Now remember the environmental situation on the territory of the world factory ...

                      You will never make capitalists intent on incurring losses
                      Firstly, you can force anyone, secondly, if you don’t want to work on certain conditions, don’t work, thirdly, what’s the loss? The loss is in the head - in the rates of return: for Europeans, the norm is 5-10% above the inflation rate, and in the Russian Federation and Ukraine - not less than 100%, and this is because the authorities work primarily for large business, then for medium and small , and only then on society as a system.

                      That is, the only option is to open a state plant
                      Closing borders is not an option, but you argue one-sidedly: what prevents the creation of a state alternative to private traders in the sphere of essential goods? Why give housing and communal services to private hands, if this obviously causes an additional burden on citizens, but does not guarantee quality? Why should the state give large enterprises and thereby reduce the budget by half? Why should the government take off the functions of a regulator, leaving only the functions of an arbiter and a financial vacuum cleaner? The answer is obvious - the state works for large, including foreign, capital and is a part of it.
                      Do you need such a state?
                      And what about the sinker for the budget - Olympiads / championships / summits - what is this? Big sport is a state-sponsored show business (with summits, and so it is clear).

                      people do not always prefer a domestic producer, and Putin has nothing to do with
                      People are free to buy what they want, but firstly, a domestic product can (and should) be made cheaper and better, and secondly, Vova is used in relation to politics, social guarantees, violations of the Constitution and the interests of society, which he scored.

                      you want to change power, I really do not see who to change.
                      I consider it necessary to change the policy, for this it is necessary to change the power.
                      You, like many, are sick with leaderism - I know that there are no irreplaceable people and I put paramount importance and choose not a person, but a political program.
                      Of the impressive names, offhand - Boldyrev, Mukhin, Katasonov, Khazin, Delyagin.

                      What does this not suit you for the possibility of agricultural consumption?
                      The fact that it is not clear how it was compiled, and given the sheer delirium of the data until the 20th century, it cannot be credible.
                      The fact that domestic agricultural products does not end on potatoes.
                      I talked about satisfying the official subsistence level (real above).
                    4. Led1989
                      Led1989 5 July 2013 23: 03
                      0
                      Quote: Yarosvet
                      Of the impressive names, offhand - Boldyrev, Mukhin, Katasonov, Khazin, Delyagin.


                      If it does not make it difficult, give a link where you can read about them. Well, or at least add the name middle name.
                    5. Yarosvet
                      Yarosvet 6 July 2013 00: 24
                      0
                      Quote: Led1989
                      If it does not make it difficult, give a link where you can read about them. Well, or at least add the name middle name.


                      So the information is in the public domain (articles, videos).
                      The search engine gives out different - known identities (for example, Katasonova has been published on VO repeatedly).

                      Yuri Boldyrev.
                      Yuri Mukhin.
                      Valentin Katasonov.
                      Mikhail Khazin.
                      Mikhail Delyagin.
      3. Timeout
        Timeout 5 July 2013 10: 45
        +1
        Quote: Yarosvet
        I would like to suggest that you drop the topic through a search engine: "List of the destroyed largest and most high-tech enterprises"


        I recently tried to throw material on this topic, but the mods wrapped it up. As far as I understand, the administration should be apolitical, but unfortunately, for some reason, pointing to the jambs of the current government, it (the administration) reacts very painfully.
        1. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 5 July 2013 15: 37
          0
          Quote: Timeout
          I recently tried to throw material on this topic, but the mods wrapped it up. As far as I understand, the administration should be apolitical, but unfortunately, for some reason, pointing to the jambs of the current government, it (the administration) reacts very painfully.

          Honestly, I can’t imagine how the material is selected here, although there seems to be no strict censorship, but: recently I noticed that with the adoption of the 139 Federal Law access to statistical data has become very difficult - even what I looked earlier was hard to find.
          1. Timeout
            Timeout 5 July 2013 16: 24
            +1
            Indeed, a search for links Putin or Medvedev gives an order of magnitude less results. Everyone approached this issue with due diligence ..
  • nov_tech.vrn
    nov_tech.vrn 4 July 2013 14: 59
    0
    it feels like people echoed here with an echo
    1. fisherman
      fisherman 4 July 2013 15: 11
      -1
      it feels like people echoed here with an echo


      You can’t even imagine how right you are :)

      "neoliberalism is another re-edition of Bolshevism" J. Stiglitz

      the main thing is Putin, with this word "cat and dog become allies against the cook"

      Bolshevism is not a bright political idea, unlike Marxism, it is the same revolutionary extremism (can be called Trotskyism), when a marginal minority breaks through to power, calling themselves the majority, the will of the people, moral authorities, the conscience of the nation, the sorrows of the Russian land. ...

      schwonders and balloons, these instances have only indirect relation to Marxism :)
      1. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 4 July 2013 15: 44
        0
        Quote: fisherman
        "neoliberalism is another re-edition of Bolshevism" J. Stiglitz

        I look for you the authorities are very interesting citizens who are ideologists of the US monetary policy. good
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          1. smile
            smile 4 July 2013 16: 26
            +1
            Orion
            Sir ... uh, how could it be so convincing to ask you to dehydrate your fountain of eloquence ... Would you go home, Penelope, and not stain the site with your presence, eh? It is disgusting to feel your presence along with your half-obscene expressions ... like that. that home, Penelope, home ... there the husband is waiting, he wants borscht ...
        2. fisherman
          fisherman 4 July 2013 15: 57
          -1
          aha

          at first I could not believe that this Nobel Jew would squeeze out this horror :)

          here is another Jew: "The earth's way of life is shaking - they bury God" B. Pasternak

          it's not about the Marxists, it's about the Bolsheviks :)
  • fisherman
    fisherman 4 July 2013 12: 28
    -4
    Why do you compare the current standard of living with the 90s, and not with the end of the 70s - the beginning of the 80s?


    because normal people compare the current result with the previous one :)

    Now the question is for schizophrenics: why not compare with the 60s? with 50? since 2020? :)
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 4 July 2013 13: 07
      +6
      Quote: fisherman
      because normal people compare the current result with the previous
      Seriously?
      And it always seemed to me that normal people compare the current result with the previous maximum.

      And you, my dear, how strange it turns out: in matters of geopolitics, you compare with the size and level of influence of the Republic of Ingushetia and the USSR, despite the fact that, according to your logic, it is worth comparing with the Russian Federation of the EBNensky period.
      But as soon as it comes to domestic socio-economic policy, you begin to compare with the EBNensky period, although it would be worth comparing with the Union.

      Now the question is for schizophrenics: why not compare with the 60s? with 50? since 2020?
      And you are self-critical. good
      1. fisherman
        fisherman 4 July 2013 13: 41
        -1
        And you, my dear, how strange it turns out: in matters of geopolitics, you compare with the size and level of influence of the Republic of Ingushetia and the USSR, despite the fact that, according to your logic, it is worth comparing with the Russian Federation of the EBNensky period.


        You probably confused me with some kind of journalist, expert, analyst with the prefix "geo"

        find the appropriate forum (and the relevant geospecialists) and communicate with them on health :)

        But as soon as it comes to domestic socio-economic policy, you begin to compare with the EBNensky period, although it would be worth comparing with the Union.


        Naturally, it is precisely this period that is the previous one, everything is very simple and clear, EBN and Putin

        no less obvious (for normal people) is the comparison of the EBN period with the 80s of the USSR

        research consistency and continuity

        any process (for example, demography or the economy) can be represented in the form of a graph, where there will be periods of falls and periods of growth, where it is easy to identify extreme points (I hope that I’m not very difficult to explain)

        so, schizophrenics differ from normal people in that they constantly argue with themselves :)

        since conclusions are drawn on extrema chosen in random order, and not on periods where the research sequence is present, and where the trends are so clearly visible :)

        sorry to once again tear you from such an important online video-clip revolutionary activity :)
        1. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 4 July 2013 14: 05
          0
          Quote: fisherman
          find the appropriate forum (and geospatial specialists) and communicate with them on health

          And right there:

          any process (for example, demography or the economy) can be represented in the form of a graph, where there will be periods of falls and periods of growth, where it is easy to identify extreme points (I hope that I’m not very difficult to explain)

          So maybe you should search forums for demographics and charting lovers? laughing
          And then the wandering of your thoughts looks like:

          so, schizophrenics differ from normal people in that they constantly argue with themselves :)

          since conclusions are drawn on extrema chosen in random order, and not on periods where the research sequence is present, and where the trends are so clearly visible :)

          Before judging schizophrenics, you would be better off inquiring about the very definition - "schizophrenia", its types and features, one of which may be a passion for scientific terminology, coupled with the construction of verbose abstractions.

          sorry to once again tear you from such an important online video-clip revolutionary activity :)

          It's okay - sometimes it’s fun to read your reasoning crawling on a particular topic.
          1. fisherman
            fisherman 4 July 2013 14: 48
            -3
            once again for those who are "spreading consciousness"

            any process (e.g. demographics or economics)


            choose a specific topic of discussion, conduct an analysis of trends (deduction), then synthesize conclusions (induction)

            and you will yell about extremes and sing the International with your Shvonder comrades :)

            By the way, are you now voting for which International, for the second or for the third? :)
            1. Yarosvet
              Yarosvet 4 July 2013 15: 16
              +1
              Quote: fisherman
              once again for those who are "spreading consciousness"
              Do you self-hypnosis? smile

              Quote: fisherman
              choose a specific topic of discussion, conduct an analysis of trends (deduction), then synthesize conclusions (induction)
              All this is great, but it is not worth spending time explaining to me your methodology for assessing a particular trend, let's just talk in the "language" you proposed:

              You mentioned the graphs - and then submit these graphs to the public.
              To assess changes in living standards, I suggest you
              lay out charts on which the growth dynamics of minimum and average wages would be visible, coupled with household inflation.

              Do this, show what my assessment of the situation is wrong, and I gladly admit that I am wrong.
              1. fisherman
                fisherman 4 July 2013 15: 41
                -5
                what is my assessment of the situation wrong]


                method :)

                there is a sequence, but there is a pull out of context

                burry Bolsheviks constantly use this, they can paint on the graphics too :)

                and where do they only come from, and where do they get such a desire to cling to Marxism? and where do these armchair comrades have such a desire to pretend to be "moral authorities, the conscience of the nation, the saddens of the Russian land"?

                that’s amazing, comrade :)
                1. Yarosvet
                  Yarosvet 4 July 2013 17: 44
                  -1
                  Quote: fisherman
                  that’s amazing, comrade :)

                  Comrade, let’s you not engage in verbiage.

                  Have you, poor man, been painted on a schedule? Correct.

                  The fact that you are making absolutely unfounded statements and are unable to confirm your words I already know very well, so you have no reason to waste your time and increase the number of unfounded statements.

                  Will you post charts?
          2. fisherman
            fisherman 4 July 2013 15: 16
            0
            research consistency and continuity


            and the corresponding sequence of judgments :)
  • little man
    little man 4 July 2013 13: 33
    +1
    Yes. And to learn about a better life - the Internet, mobile phones and cars?
    Can we better compare the army, education, ecology?
    Indeed, it used to be better - and the trees are higher, and the rockets flew higher.
    1. fisherman
      fisherman 4 July 2013 13: 48
      +1
      modern educators do just that, they choose the parameters that are favorable to them, and compare exclusively on them, and draw global conclusions from these local parameters (balls)

      very offended if they do not applaud :)
      1. dustycat
        dustycat 7 July 2013 20: 53
        0
        They especially like to compare with 1913 ...
  • nycsson
    nycsson 4 July 2013 12: 10
    +4
    Quote: t-95
    Well honestly it's no longer funny

    I’m no longer funny.
    Quote: t-95
    I’m not trying to sing Putin, but for the last 30 years, he is the first real and adequate.

    Real and adequate !!!
    What do you mean by the term "real"?
    What is its adequacy? request
  • satellite
    satellite 4 July 2013 11: 36
    +7
    And who will pay, of course, simple Russians, and I’m just a dumbass who still doesn’t see this, an example is the increase in tariffs of housing and communal services. but you all believe in a miracle in the dad, there is no dad, he is weak, he can’t cope with his gateway.
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 4 July 2013 11: 47
      +7
      Quote: satelite
      And who will pay, of course, ordinary Russians, and in my opinion only the dumbass still does not see this ...
      1. ale-x
        ale-x 4 July 2013 12: 46
        +3
        Ah .... eat, that’s how it would be in the Novgorod region ....
      2. dustycat
        dustycat 7 July 2013 20: 51
        0
        But what, in Chechnya, Dagestan, Abkhazia, Ingushetia once paid for electricity, water and other utilities?
    2. nycsson
      nycsson 4 July 2013 12: 02
      +8
      Quote: satelite
      Comrades have sold us for a long time more than once, but you still believe in a miracle in the Old Man, there is no Old Man, he is weak and cannot cope with his gateway.

      If you are talking about GDP, then I completely agree with you!
  • tegezen
    tegezen 4 July 2013 11: 42
    +4
    Money can be poured into the economy in various ways. Development of infrastructure projects is the most effective. Money spent on some kind of road is given work not only on the road itself but also in related industries, metallurgists, manufacturers of construction equipment, building materials, etc. Money scrolls many times and the spent ruble brings 10 rubles of salary taxes. If money, for example, is simply distributed as social assistance, then goods are immediately bought at them in the store, often imported and there will be little sense from such injections, it will only spur inflation. Our people in America are surprised that some roads are not clear where they were built, such as one house for 20 km, the road goes to it, which essentially costs much more than the house itself. In fact, the road has this meaning, money has flowed into the economy and worked. The road construction program in America once raised it. Although the idea was fucking to build roads at a time when the economy was on its side. The global crisis is pacing the planet. Large projects for Russia are a chance for sustainable development.
    We have accumulated money, investing in re-equipment, space, high-speed roads, we are holding an olympiad and everything that turns up, and the economy will grow, which means that there will be a lot of money for the poor.
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 4 July 2013 11: 53
      +5
      Quote: tegezen
      We have accumulated money, investing in re-equipment, space, high-speed roads, we are holding an olympiad and everything that turns up, and the economy will grow, which means that there will be a lot of money for the poor.

      Everything is in principle correct, only the Olympics in your list are out of place - it is not a long-term practical project, and work at its expense is provided mainly to foreigners.
      But the construction of social housing, with Olympic money and involving exclusively Russian citizens, would have long-term practical meaning.
      1. tegezen
        tegezen 4 July 2013 12: 07
        -2
        In a couple of weeks I want to go to Sochi from Perm by car. I’ll see with my own eyes what they built there. Yet not only foreigners worked there. I think that there is a benefit from Sochi-14 and the only city on the sea has been rebuilt and image nishtyaks from the Olympics. Nothing in vain.
        1. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 4 July 2013 12: 21
          +5
          Quote: tegezen
          In a couple of weeks I want to go to Sochi from Perm by car. I’ll see with my own eyes what they built there. Yet not only foreigners worked there. I think that there is a benefit from Sochi-14 and the only city on the sea has been rebuilt and image nishtyaks from the Olympics. Nothing in vain.

          For 50 lard you will be organized without any problems. laughing

          If you go, first of all take an interest in the state of the sea itself: there is a version that it was specifically dirtied.
        2. dustycat
          dustycat 7 July 2013 20: 44
          0
          And in your vicinity of Perm, how many railway crossings have been replaced by overpasses?
          Or are embankments with bare concrete piers without spans standing along the railways?
    2. cumastra1
      cumastra1 7 July 2013 19: 31
      0
      Roads are a good thing. However, if for the sake of each road to arrange the Universiade, the Olympiad, ates .... it is not logical like that. You can, after all, without such pathos.
    3. dustycat
      dustycat 7 July 2013 20: 49
      0
      How many jobs did Sapsan purchases create in Germany and France?
      How many jobs have Caterpillar purchases created in America and the Czech Republic?
      How many jobs created the procurement of building materials created jobs in Turkey, China, Romania, Germany?
      How many jobs have furniture purchases created in Italy?
  • MAG
    MAG 4 July 2013 11: 57
    +7
    In 2009, I read the report of the Russian Railways on the construction of railway roads in Siberia, so there they built 27 km in a year when they built 1.5 thousand under the Union. And these 27 km are presented as achievements, and they will do about the new expressway as with a peregrine Falcon along the old tracks and delay the rest of the trains.
    1. ale-x
      ale-x 4 July 2013 12: 48
      +7
      What is the delay? Here we can talk about the cancellation at the time))) At the Oktyabrskaya railway, a huge number of trains and a local train were cut to please Sapsan.
      1. dustycat
        dustycat 7 July 2013 20: 38
        0
        And how else to get people to drive expensive Sapsan?
    2. dustycat
      dustycat 7 July 2013 20: 41
      0
      27 built.
      And we in Novokuznetsk have 20 km of tracks along which electric trains went to JSC "ZSMK" were dismantled in the same year.
      And if you add to this the Northern Railway in the trash killed ...
  • Flooding
    Flooding 4 July 2013 12: 00
    0
    Quote: tegezen
    The road construction program in America once raised it

    I doubt it. It is possible to occupy the population with this program, which is very important during a depression crisis.
    But to boost the economy?
    1. dustycat
      dustycat 7 July 2013 20: 37
      0
      What do you think?
      Shitty roads, slow transportation, high transportation costs, low transportation volume, low production volume, slow business development, stagnant economic growth.

      Everything is connected.
  • t-95
    t-95 4 July 2013 12: 08
    +1
    I think it’s not worth spitting - why spoil the monitor, but I hope to get an answer from you a couple of questions:

    1 Why do you compare the current standard of living with 90's, and not with the end of 70's - the beginning of 80's?

    2 How much do you spend on food - personally for yourself?
    Exactly, it can also be compared with the year 1913. Now take and prove that in the 70s and 80s we lived richer. It’s more stable, although who remembers the symptoms of the disease already began to appear in the late 70s. You probably didn’t take a queue for milk in N-Tagil at 6 in the morning, etc. And about the current time, I’ll say one thing from a deep ass, we got out, and you don’t have to powder your head that tomorrow another will come and everyone will be happy, rich and healthy overnight
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 4 July 2013 12: 47
      +2
      Quote: t-95
      You probably in N-Tagil at 6 am did not take a turn for milk, etc.
      I didn’t take it, and all the same - why it is necessary to compare it with the booty of the 90s, and not with the highest standard of living in the history of the country that fell on the beginning of the 80s.

      And about the current time, one thing ...
      About the current time, tell me something else - how much do you spend on food?
      1. dustycat
        dustycat 7 July 2013 20: 32
        0
        Ehh tyamnotaa ...
        After all, in Russia, even every official knows!
        It is necessary to compare with 1913!
        Well, how to say how much ....
        My grandfather, having sold 300 pigs in 1913, received an income of 3000 rubles.
        And with this money he built a stone house, and an iron roof, and a stable for 600 sows. And even as much as 1000 rubles remained after paying taxes and debts for the year for food in the shop of a Jew.
        A Jew for a year owed as much as 25 rubles for food.
        And now I ...
        My monthly average is 6000 rubles. For food then.
        And this is with my diet and despite the fact that I can’t eat more than what is indicated for lunch.
        In 1989, I was in the dining room for the second, salad, and two teas paid 35 cents.
        And this year in May, already 49 rubles for the same set.
  • King
    King 4 July 2013 12: 57
    +1
    The world is changing and Russia is with it. That’s nothing, but the standard of living in the country is growing slowly but growing. The whole history of our homeland is continuous ups and downs. alas, there’s no escape from this
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 4 July 2013 13: 43
      +1
      Quote: King
      That’s nothing, but the standard of living in the country is growing slowly but growing.
      Can you give a couple of examples of this growth, but not of the small-town ones, but of the whole country?
    2. nycsson
      nycsson 4 July 2013 18: 53
      +2
      Quote: King
      That’s nothing, but the standard of living in the country is growing slowly but growing.

      Quote: King
      Can you give a couple of examples of this growth, but not of the small-town ones, but of the whole country?

      Tariffs for housing and communal services!
      The price of electricity and gas. wassat
  • PPO-1980
    PPO-1980 4 July 2013 13: 26
    +6
    In the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation an article of theft with execution, compulsory labor to return to places not so remote. The term is given taking into account the award (for each 1 tr month). And there are no excuses in the form of transactions with the investigation, positive characteristics from the place of work and residence, etc. And relatives to labor camps, at least for the construction of the Olympics, at least for the construction of the World Cup, even to raise the Far East. And then for non-payment of the traffic police fine double scars, arrest and compulsory work, and for billions of state funds a conditional sentence of one year (in the worst case) or even a sentence of transferring to a higher position. Steal more - get less (if at all) !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    1. fisherman
      fisherman 4 July 2013 13: 50
      0
      Yes

      with the help of gingerbread cookies, it’s somehow impossible to increase the number of honest people in our society

      it's time to start another tool :)
  • rereture
    rereture 4 July 2013 13: 52
    +1
    Thank you, bl @, for removing the social. a scholarship for students of poor parents, thank you for equalizing the fee for a dormitory of state employees with contractors, thank you for paying 1850 rubles (a scholarship for studying well) per month, instead of 450 rubles for living in a hostel.
  • Kyrgyz
    Kyrgyz 4 July 2013 14: 23
    +1
    The title sounds strange, but what usually is paid not for its projects by the population but by someone else?
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 4 July 2013 17: 26
      0
      Good Evening Sukhov! Alternatively, other states ...
  • Orion
    Orion 4 July 2013 15: 41
    -4
    Yarosvet is a troll. He comments only on political topics on this military site. His task is to denigrate Putin personally. Do not succumb to the provocation of this troll.
    1. smile
      smile 4 July 2013 16: 37
      +3
      Orion
      I also don’t like his position, and it’s still put it mildly ... but after reading your nightmarish half-obscene comments on Yarosvet’s statements, one of which has already been deleted, I can say that I don’t like you even more ... Putin doesn’t need any enemies with supporters like you ....
      1. Orion
        Orion 4 July 2013 16: 57
        0
        I am not an enemy or supporter of Putin. I just don't like trolls
      2. soldier's grandson
        soldier's grandson 4 July 2013 19: 22
        0
        mutually! the people, too, a lot that is not necessary
  • Viacheslav
    Viacheslav 4 July 2013 17: 38
    +2
    "the cost of building a high-speed highway Moscow-Kazan is estimated at approximately 928 billion rubles."
    Between Moscow and Kazan 808 km. The road, of course, will not go in a straight line, so you can throw a little more km - let it be 1500 km (for an even account)

    928 billion / 1500km = 0,619

    Those. one kilometer costs 619 million rubles. Accordingly, one meter is 619 thousand rubles.

    hmmm, not bad.
    1. soldier's grandson
      soldier's grandson 4 July 2013 19: 23
      0
      why the hell is she needed?
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  • APASUS
    APASUS 4 July 2013 19: 35
    +5
    Shame on the country. The richest country stumbles on an official’s ignorance !!
    They decided to amuse their pride with the Olympics, Universiades, ATEC rallies, and in the country they are watching on TV from that day, "give the child for an operation", "help with prostheses", help, help, help
  • Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 4 July 2013 22: 59
    +1
    <<< It seems that those who really have money do not really believe in the stability and spiritual bonds of modern Russia. Considering that the funds withdrawn from the country would be more than enough for the implementation of many "projects of the century", the government should turn its face to this problem. >>>
    The site already contained information that the privatized enterprises of Russia, in fact, ended up in the hands of the West! Then why be surprised? Russia is, as the unforgettable "Bereza" used to say, a free hunting zone and the true owners of all our privatized enterprises here simply earn money, primitively "milk" Russia as some kind of colony of their own and, naturally, transfer them to themselves and they wanted to spit on Russian social programs and spiritual bonds! And so it will be until the Russian authorities legalize - the money earned in Russia should be SPENDED IN RUSSIA, at least most of this money!
  • t-95
    t-95 5 July 2013 11: 34
    0
    Gentlemen and fellow critics, ok they will say what to do, otherwise hait everything and everywhere is our old national idea. These same people in Soviet times, the Communists blasphemed, now these. tell me how to live and what to do
    1. ale-x
      ale-x 15 July 2013 09: 41
      0
      But we don’t have a national idea now ... They abandoned it - it is even spelled out in the main law.
  • soldier's grandson
    soldier's grandson 5 July 2013 19: 37
    +1
    Quote: tegezen
    In a couple of weeks I want to go to Sochi from Perm by car. I’ll see with my own eyes what they built there. Yet not only foreigners worked there. I think that there is a benefit from Sochi-14 and the only city on the sea has been rebuilt and image nishtyaks from the Olympics. Nothing in vain.

    there is infa that the construction of the Olympics is a failure of those low-quality concrete, the ground is failing and working there for food
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 5 July 2013 20: 25
      +1
      Quote: soldier's grandson
      there is infa that the construction of the Olympics is a failure of those low-quality concrete, the ground is failing and working there for food
    2. dustycat
      dustycat 7 July 2013 20: 14
      0
      Yes, no, those who build dachas there say concrete is very good ...
      No one dowel can drive into it.
      And it’s not expensive ... They give a car for a bottle to a light one.
  • dustycat
    dustycat 7 July 2013 20: 10
    0
    Well, that when gentlemen dream of slaves, their backs crack and it’s well known.
    It strikes another.
    By placing the country's stabilization fund in foreign assets, it is foolish to wait for someone to invest in the economy of this country.
    One out of two.
    Or the "elite" has finally become dull.
    Or so stupefied that they consider all businessmen even more stupid.
  • t-95
    t-95 8 July 2013 12: 45
    0
    How many times it was written that all the Universiade was sold and poplin, or what’s going on, and most importantly the majority from the enthusiastic built, no, you still need to go out and water everything around with dirt, already got enough. The gentlemen of Russia are more than 1000 years old, how many there were which over and over again predict the collapse, just do not wait.