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Gloomy Central Asian scenarios: war on Russian territory?

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The closer the withdrawal of the ISAF contingent from Afghanistan, the more passion unfolds in the press. If earlier they wrote about the drug trade, which NATO members, especially Americans, had a positive influence rather than a negative influence in Afghanistan, now analysts are busy speculating on how soon the Afghan insurgents, whose homeland has long been bored, will start organizing terrorist attacks somewhere closer to Russia and then on its territory. As proof of the terrorist plans against the Russians, Moscow’s arms “to the teeth” of the armies of Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan and the recent alarming meeting of the defense ministers of the SCO countries are cited. The aggressiveness of the Taliban is emphasized by their last bold attacks - for example, in Kabul.


Gloomy Central Asian scenarios: war on Russian territory?


Editorial "Independent newspaper" from 27 June is not without reason entitled: "Russia is preparing for war on its territory." And the subtitle of the material is appropriate: "The promise of Afghan terrorists to turn around in the post-Soviet space is not a bluff at all."

In countries bordering Afghanistan or located in relative proximity to it, they are aware of the reality of the threats emanating from there, the article notes. First of all, this concerns the former Soviet republics, as evidenced by the recent events in the framework of the Collective Security Treaty Organization and the Shanghai Cooperation Organization.

On June 26, a meeting of defense ministers of the SCO member states was held in Bishkek. The head of the Russian military department, Sergei Shoigu, met with Kyrgyz President Almazbek Atambayev and assured the latter that at the end of 2013, Moscow would begin deliveries of weapons to the republic. This statement, the newspaper notes, was made against the background of the message of the Defense Ministry of the Russian Federation that at the meeting of defense ministers "special attention will be paid to the possible destabilization of the situation in Afghanistan after 2014, in connection with the withdrawal of ISAF from the region."

Similar issues (“the same bleak outlook”) were also discussed by the participants of the Second Meeting of the Heads of the Border Services of the SCO Member States, which took place on June 25-27 in Yekaterinburg.

25 June in Moscow, a meeting of the CSTO Military Committee. The committee considered the issue of solving the tasks of military-political integration, which were identified at meetings of the organization’s statutory bodies and the informal summit of the heads of the CSTO member states 27-28 in May in Bishkek. CSTO Secretary General Nikolai Bordyuzha described the tasks set there as follows: “There are two vectors in our work. The first is cooperation with the Afghan authorities, helping them to ensure stability, preparing law enforcement agencies, and implementing social and economic projects. The second is the strengthening of the CSTO’s power capabilities, Collective Rapid Reaction Forces, bilateral groups and peacekeeping capabilities. Plus, the issues of state border protection. ”

The editors of NG make conclusions: for citizens of the CIS countries, this means admitting the inevitability of fulfilling the long-standing threats of Afghan terrorists to transfer actions to post-Soviet territory. Military experts say that the Afghan terrorist groups are largely replenished by young people from Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, and Kyrgyzstan. These same young people are then revealed by the special services as leaders of Islamic extremists in St. Petersburg and other large Russian cities.

Andrey Ivanov ("Free press") The article "The Battle of the Amu Darya" gave the following subtitle: "Russia will equip the Kyrgyz and Tajik armies to the teeth." Against who?"

According to the Russian Defense Minister, in 2014, Russia plans to begin supplying arms to Kyrgyzstan (the contract amount is over $ 1,1 billion). Tajikistan will receive weapons worth about 200 million

Cross-border conflicts between Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan may become more serious after the withdrawal of the ISAF from Afghanistan. The recent decision of Tashkent to withdraw from the CSTO will also affect the situation. The journalist believes that all this suggests a possible split in Central Asia. In addition, Washington promised after the withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan to leave a large part of the weapons to Uzbekistan. The analyst also recalls the long-standing statement of the President of Uzbekistan Islam Karimov that he does not rule out war with Tajikistan - if the latter does not agree with Tashkent on plans to build a hydropower station.

The army of Kyrgyzstan totals 15 thousand people. “It is difficult to imagine,” the journalist writes, “what degree of technical equipment this small army will have after our country ships helicopters and infantry fighting vehicles to it, Tanks, artillery systems, mortars and small arms for a billion! ”

Valery Korovin, director of the Center for Geopolitical Expertise, believes that Russia's efforts will not be in vain. According to him, it is difficult to return to the region: we are talking about the need to oust the United States. As for Kyrgyzstan, for it "a real geopolitical battle is unfolding."

“... We almost lost this country. And every attempt by Moscow to return its influence ended with another “color” revolution. The new contract for the supply of weapons, debt relief - is an indirect payment to Russia for the promises of the Kyrgyz leadership to put an end to the issue of withdrawing the American military base Manas from its territory. It remains for us now only to rely on the political will of the President of Kyrgyzstan in expelling the Americans.

We need to push the US south, away from our borders. The further the American bases are from our borders, the calmer. Therefore, the issue of restoring our influence in Kyrgyzstan is not at all idle. ”


Comrade Korovin said that security and economic problems arise in those states that are becoming allies of the United States. But those republics, “which choose Russia as their main partner, can ensure both security and relative economic stability”.

According to the expert, "The United States is building up its influence in the world with traditional instruments: through destabilization of the situation."

Nikita Andreevich Mendkovich, an expert at the Center for the Study of Modern Afghanistan, in a material published on the portal Afghanistan.ru, suggests that the period from April to September of 2014 in Afghanistan will be extremely difficult: you can expect fights with extremists against the background of attempts by the new president to adapt the work of state institutions to their own strategy. If armed militants fail to achieve any significant results in 2014, they will be weakened.

N. Mendkovich does not exclude the probability of failures of pro-government forces. The Taliban may complicate the situation in Kabul and sow panic among the population.

The analyst is inclined to believe that a protracted war is not for militants. The Taliban will not be able to provide an adequate level of supply for large units. During long battles, the Taliban will suffer heavy losses due to the use of artillery and aviation. It turns out that the armed opposition can either quickly win the war, the expert writes, or completely lose it.

“If by the autumn cold weather of 2014, the authorities manage to retain the capital, maintain stable state institutions and not lose power due to contradictions in the legal political system, this can be called a definite victory in the military campaign of this year. And, perhaps - in the war. "


The return of Russia, ready to confront terrorists, to Central Asia is worried not only by the United States, but also by China. Vladimir Mukhin ("Independent newspaper") notes that attention is focused on Central Asia now and Beijing. Under the guise of participation in the SCO programs, a columnist believes, China has stepped up its military-economic activity in the region. Russia, he is unlikely to concede.

As comrade Mukhin notes, before the preparation of the SCO summit to Bishkek and during the meeting, the heads of the military departments of the Russian Federation and the PRC were allocated with their contacts and statements.

China’s Minister of Defense Chang Wanquan arrived in the Kyrgyz capital two days before the event and discussed bilateral military-technical cooperation programs with the republic’s leadership, met with the Kyrgyz leadership and handed over military equipment and sixty Cadillacs to the country's defense department. He further promised that the Chinese would build two nine-story apartment buildings for the country's officers, as well as implement other projects in the areas of humanitarian programs and defense.

Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu spoke with the leadership of Kyrgyzstan a day later. Unlike Chang Wanquan, the NG observer notes, Shoigu did not mention any figures or events. “Almost everything is ready with us,” Shoigu said. “I think that in the near future we will complete the final formalization of the formalities.”

We are talking about the gratuitous military assistance of Kyrgyzstan for the above-mentioned amount - 1,1 billion dollars. Earlier it was planned that arms supplies should begin in the summer, but now Shoigu promises to start them in the fourth quarter.

According to statistics from the Chinese Customs, the author writes further, the trade turnover between the PRC and Kyrgyzstan last year reached 5 billion dollars - two times more than the same figure for Kyrgyzstan and Russia.

The military-strategic interests of Beijing and Moscow in Kyrgyzstan overlap - and will increase after the withdrawal of the ISAF contingent from Afghanistan.

For the situation in Afghanistan and in Central Asia as a whole, the SCO and the CSTO are responsible. However, previously these organizations did not resolve such practical issues.

As a result, the observer summarizes, the responsibility for military security will de facto fall on the two leaders of these organizations - Russia and China. It is important that Russia predicts the consequences of the situation and outlines ways to resolve problematic issues.

Thus, the leading geopolitical players such as Russia, the USA and China converge in Central Asia. ISAF troops may leave Afghanistan next year, but the US does not intend to lose influence in the republics of Central Asia. The complex and sometimes conflict situation in the region allows them to apply their usual strategy of destabilization of the situation - in order to then make a fuss about security, thus justifying their own presence in the region. Strengthening in Central Asia, regaining its former influence there, Russia at one stroke two hares with a kill: it resists the terrorist threat, and really provides the very security that the State Department only knows how to write fairy tales.

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  1. experienced
    experienced 4 July 2013 09: 12 New
    43
    Equip the borders of Russia and introduce a visa regime !!! So we can protect ourselves from war in Russia. At the same time, help in equipping and arming the armies of the countries of S. Asia and develop the CSTO. Is Syria's example not indicative? When Assad is fighting with bandits who receive weapons through open borders, replenishing and evacuating the wounded, can we prepare everything in advance for resistance and will not "step on the rake"?
    1. Vanek
      Vanek 4 July 2013 09: 22 New
      +3
      Quote: seasoned
      Equip borders


      All-nothing, only the border is long. Something else is necessary.
      1. experienced
        experienced 4 July 2013 09: 40 New
        17
        Quote: Vanek
        All-nothing, only the border is long. Something else is necessary.

        Russia gives multi-billion dollar loans to Central Asian countries that are stolen in shares. This money should be invested in the organization of the border and in the targeted deliveries of Russian weapons. Stop feeding corrupt bays, it's time to think about your own safety and profit. The border is large, but it will still have to be created, and the sooner the better for us. Even if we interrupt drug trafficking, already all the money invested will pay off. Remittances to Europe and the CIS countries would not hurt to “wool”, but how much money is illegally transported across the border by conductors and fellow countrymen? And there will be a border, customs there is already an article for it.
        1. GHG
          GHG 5 July 2013 04: 20 New
          0
          Smuggling is also ice ... you need to close the face on some things.
      2. antiaircrafter
        antiaircrafter 4 July 2013 09: 41 New
        11
        Quote: Vanek
        All-nothing, only the border is long.

        The barbed wire has risen in price or stocks in warehouses rusted?
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz 4 July 2013 11: 32 New
          +2
          Quote: antiaircrafter
          The barbed wire has risen in price or stocks in warehouses rusted?

          Do you think the whole thing is only with barbed wires ?? For Amers with Mexicans, the border is many times better equipped with concrete walls, sensors, UAV patrols and helicopters, satellites, but everything leaks out, but what about the completely holey borders of Russia with CA ??
          1. antiaircrafter
            antiaircrafter 4 July 2013 12: 48 New
            +1
            Quote: Yeraz
            think the whole thing is only in barbed wires ??

            Of course not.
            But you have to start somewhere !!!
            1. Yeraz
              Yeraz 4 July 2013 14: 24 New
              +3
              Quote: antiaircrafter
              Of course not.
              But you have to start somewhere !!!

              such vast expanses to control.
              There is another less costly and effective method. These people find themselves in cities, drugs need to be sold in cities. But if there is order there is no reason to cross the border stupidly because you cannot realize yourself and you cannot sell your goods.
              Yes, of course, it is necessary to strengthen the borders, but in such vast expanses it is a difficult thing, so you need to put everything in order. But you are not interested, as if no one knows that you can forbidden to get drugs in any club, no one knows where the gastras are work and live.
              1. antiaircrafter
                antiaircrafter 4 July 2013 17: 03 New
                +4
                Quote: Yeraz
                Now, if there will be order

                If there is order in the cities with a leaky border, the result will be, as in Syria.
                An integrated approach is required.
            2. Karlsonn
              Karlsonn 4 July 2013 23: 42 New
              +1
              pulls his hand from the back of the desk, in a whisper: - I know how
              1. GHG
                GHG 5 July 2013 04: 22 New
                0
                Cool noticed laughing
          2. Massik
            Massik 4 July 2013 15: 03 New
            +4
            Do you think the whole thing is only with barbed wires ?? For Amers with Mexicans, the border is many times better equipped with concrete walls, sensors, UAV patrols and helicopters, satellites, but everything leaks out, but what about the completely holey borders of Russia with CA ??

            You were there dear ??? A friend of mine told me that there is only a concrete wall and their border guards pass along it imposingly every half hour. Sometimes they open underground galleries from 400 m to 2 km long, in which even the light is transmitted laughing
            1. Yeraz
              Yeraz 4 July 2013 18: 40 New
              +2
              http://www.bnti.ru/showart.asp?aid=905&lvl=04.09.02
              here is the link. described in detail.
          3. Karlsonn
            Karlsonn 4 July 2013 15: 21 New
            +1
            Quote: Yeraz
            UAV patrol


            I doubt very much about patrolling the border between the USA and Mexico with these miracles.
        2. воронов
          воронов 4 July 2013 14: 15 New
          +3
          Quote: antiaircrafter
          Quote: Vanek
          All-nothing, only the border is long.

          The barbed wire has risen in price or stocks in warehouses rusted?

          Surrounding thorns and “egozy”, it is necessary to create the outposts and border guards with personnel, cynological service, military equipment, to equip the same PSC with ITSO (engineering and technical security equipment), to strengthen and in many directions create air units and naval units of the FSB border troops (I mean sea ​​and river borders). If only everything rested against a thorn.
          1. antiaircrafter
            antiaircrafter 4 July 2013 15: 21 New
            0
            Quote: voronov
            Okromya thorns and "egozy", it is necessary ...

            But for this we have the Federal Agency for the Development of the State Border (Rosgranitsa).
      3. avt
        avt 4 July 2013 10: 11 New
        +4
        Quote: Vanek
        All-nothing, only the border is long. Something else is necessary.

        They won’t give it another way, because the elder clearly said, “we are not 37 years old.” On the other, it’s when even a thought in the dumbest head does not come without documents, and even more so with malicious intent to crawl into our Country, it’s when it’s not even intellectually, and with a whipped ass, they know what if they sneeze wrong, then instead of an icebreaker they will go to scrap the Northern Sea Route in winter to clear of ice. And this is in the most favorable scenario for him!
        1. washi
          washi 4 July 2013 12: 45 New
          -2
          He has earned the site, so you can justify your point of view. Justify in your locality, organize people, remove immigrants.
          Everyone can speak. Who will work?
          Hope for god (president), but don’t be fooled
          God is high and the king is far
          I still need to quote proverbs and sayings to convince.
          ALL DEPENDS ON YOU
          YOU ARE GOD. Because Man is his likeness.
          1. Suvorov000
            Suvorov000 4 July 2013 13: 04 New
            +5
            I apologize that the guest workers sometimes work, a) they transfer money abroad, b) they don’t pay taxes, c) they work so that they have to be redone ten more times, d) the increase in the number of people visiting the gang, e) the constant transport of drugs, e) the constant violation of the laws of the Russian Federation , g) the propaganda and planting of one’s faith g) the Russian language will no longer be heard soon
            1. poquello
              poquello 4 July 2013 21: 23 New
              +1
              "I apologize that the guest workers then work,"

              They work, otherwise they would not take them to work. The greed of employers outweighs countermeasures and other arguments. There are many of them here not because they climb here, but because they are received.
              1. Suvorov000
                Suvorov000 5 July 2013 11: 15 New
                0
                By the word work, I understand the work, and not the transfer of one brick by ten people
                1. poquello
                  poquello 7 July 2013 18: 53 New
                  +1
                  "By the word work, I understand the work, and not the shifting of one brick by the forces of ten people"

                  Well, it’s in vain you are so for them (by the way different chuchmeks work differently), Uzbek bricks (IMHO the most capable of chuchmeks) put a look at you - and laughter and sin, one runs with a bucket of mortar and brings mortar to the wall, followed by several with bricks and stick bricks. The rust, but the speed on the line is higher than that of the professional proficient, which claims only on the quality of the masonry, because they do not grind the brick and do not knock down.
      4. ed65b
        ed65b 4 July 2013 10: 36 New
        +3
        The union was longer. border to the castle, the first thing to do.
      5. Airman
        Airman 4 July 2013 10: 54 New
        +2
        Quote: Vanek
        Quote: seasoned
        Equip borders


        All-nothing, only the border is long. Something else is necessary.


        It’s better to immediately equip the border, once and for all, for the same $ 1,1 billion. But there will be someone to ask for the penetration of terrorists into Russia.
      6. Karlsonn
        Karlsonn 4 July 2013 14: 07 New
        0
        Quote: Vanek
        All-nothing, only the border is long. Something else is necessary.


        Preventive tactical nuclear strikes - the choice of the masters !!! bully

        If you do not understand, you can also comb with strategic ones.
        1. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 4 July 2013 14: 40 New
          +1
          But seriously, somehow, in this vein:

          From 5 to 12 on July, new Russian-Chinese naval exercises will be held. In total, more than 20 warships and support vessels will take part in them, and a squad of seven Chinese ships will arrive in Vladivostok on Friday.

          It is worth recognizing that our and Chinese interests in the Pacific really coincide for the most part. And therefore, the interaction of our fleets in defending these interests is logical. Naturally, this interaction does not threaten anyone. The scenario of the exercises will be extremely peaceful and even, so to speak, “anti-piracy”. First, the sailors together will free the captured ship, provide assistance to damaged ships, escort ships and replenish supplies at sea. Then they will be able to work out joint actions in anti-submarine and anti-ship warfare, in repelling the attacks of pirate carrier-based aircraft and pirate precision weapons.

          In addition, from the 27 of July to the 15 of August in the Chelyabinsk region at the Chebarkul training ground, joint Russian-Chinese Peace Mission exercises will be held. They will work out interaction in the so-called "anti-terrorist" operations. That is, in such operations in which various extremist armed groups confront regular units (the main striking force of "world democracy") ...


          http://www.odnako.org/blogs/show_26618/
      7. Captain Vrungel
        Captain Vrungel 4 July 2013 15: 02 New
        +1
        Differently. The border is long. All the forces and means for the equipment and protection of their borders, and not for the three fences in Tajikistan, between Tajiks and Afghans. Both will beat. We are wrong for them, however. First of all, you need to think about yourself. Nobody will think about you.
      8. Stephen
        Stephen 4 July 2013 18: 33 New
        0
        This is the question I have for site users! They say people from the Caucasus are fighting in Syria! Is it our Caucasians or those who live in Turkey, Syria, Saudi Arabia ???
        1. antiaircrafter
          antiaircrafter 4 July 2013 20: 47 New
          0
          Quote: Stefano
          This is our Caucasians

          There are also “ours”, so check out: http://topwar.ru/30388-golovorezy-sud-lincha-po-siriyski.html
      9. Airman
        Airman 4 July 2013 18: 50 New
        +1
        Quote: Vanek
        Quote: seasoned
        Equip borders


        All-nothing, only the border is long. Something else is necessary.


        And what, do we have a common border with Kyrgyzstan? Let the Kyrgyz themselves arm and maintain their army. Wanted independence, received. Why is defense built at our expense? If you want weapons, buy at market prices, in Russia there are so many unsolved problems.
        1. Marek Rozny
          Marek Rozny 5 July 2013 12: 41 New
          +1
          Quote: Povshnik
          Wanted independence, received.

          I understand that it’s unpleasant to consider yourself guilty of something, but Russia jumped out of the USSR earlier than the Kyrgyz, and not vice versa. Kyrgyzstan generally remained the last to be part of the USSR.
          Well, if at market prices, then then the base in Kyrgyzstan will have to be paid at MARKET prices, and then Russia does not have to argue that there is a US base there.
          Do you rate the allies by their financial well-being? No money - so not an ally? Those. if tomorrow, God forbid, Kazakhstan is in crisis, will we also be struck off the list of allies?
          And if Kyrgyzstan starts to earn normal money tomorrow, will you turn to them again with a hug?
          It is necessary to be friends with allies even if they are poor and even if they are weak now.
          "Do not despise the weak cub - he may be the son of a tiger."
      10. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg 5 July 2013 00: 24 New
        0
        Quote: Vanek
        Quote: seasoned
        Equip borders


        All-nothing, only the border is long. Something else is necessary.


        Yes elementary: install automatic weapons and minefields.
      11. GHG
        GHG 5 July 2013 04: 29 New
        0
        Half of them guard air defense. I would click on the checkpoint, such creatures work there ... whoever comes across .. that knows laughing
    2. T80UM1
      T80UM1 4 July 2013 09: 33 New
      +9
      Initially, the border should pass along natural barriers, how do you protect the underbelly of lowland Siberia? Russia fought for nothing in the Caucasus and Central Asia at one time. The border should pass through the mountains of the Pamir to the edge of the Tien Shan but not along the plains ...
      1. antiaircrafter
        antiaircrafter 4 July 2013 09: 47 New
        +3
        Quote: T80UM1
        Initially, the border should pass along natural barriers, how do you protect the underbelly of lowland Siberia?

        There is an example in history:
        The so-called Zmiev shafts are an amazing system of defense of the ancient Slavs from the onslaught of the steppe nomads on the southern borders of agricultural settlements. At the heart of this system was a powerful earthen rampart, front-facing the steppe, with a deep moat at the foot. The remains of such structures are still preserved in many regions of Ukraine. Either a barely noticeable elevation winding among the fields, or a ridge stretching for many kilometers with a pronounced moat at the southern bottom, or even artificial twisting uplifts that are impressive even now at a height of twelve meters.

        source: http://www.interesniy.kiev.ua/priroda-kieva/holmy-i-ovragi/zmievy-valy
        1. Gato
          Gato 4 July 2013 11: 05 New
          +3
          The Great Wall of China can also be cited as a historical example. Did she help China greatly?
          1. antiaircrafter
            antiaircrafter 4 July 2013 11: 16 New
            +3
            Quote: Gato
            Did she help China greatly?

            Nothing that the wall is now in the middle of China, and not outside it?
            1. Gato
              Gato 4 July 2013 13: 39 New
              0
              Do you seriously think that it was built in antiquity, in the same place and in the form as it is now?
              Someone from Russian traveler in the XIX century. (I don’t remember exactly who, I have to rummage through the internet) I was looking for this very wall - and did not find anything but fragments of earthen ramparts and small ruins.
              1. antiaircrafter
                antiaircrafter 4 July 2013 14: 06 New
                +2
                Quote: Gato
                You seriously consider

                You started about the wall and its help to China.
                Now you ask me where it came from.
                You are either a troll, or your example is off topic.
                1. Karlsonn
                  Karlsonn 4 July 2013 14: 51 New
                  +3
                  Quote: antiaircrafter
                  Now you ask me where it came from.


                  This is called "again twenty-five", an attempt of the fiftieth to prove here that the Slavs built the Chinese wall. laughing

                  Personally, I waved it, let them play.
      2. experienced
        experienced 4 July 2013 09: 53 New
        +6
        Quote: T80UM1
        Initially, the border should pass along natural barriers, how do you protect the underbelly of lowland Siberia?

        Modern military equipment is easier to "mow" the masses of advancing on the flat territory than in the mountains. The border from smugglers and illegal immigrants is also easier to control on the plain (UAVs, those means). So I see no reason for concern hi
        1. ed65b
          ed65b 4 July 2013 10: 37 New
          +1
          That's right. it is plain and in plain Africa, it is much easier to control, or to walk along the mountains along the ishik paths or along the table.
          1. T80UM1
            T80UM1 4 July 2013 11: 08 New
            -1
            It’s easier to control and in truth, but getting through is not a problem either.
            1. antiaircrafter
              antiaircrafter 4 July 2013 11: 19 New
              +3
              Quote: T80UM1
              getting through is not a problem either

              What is easier to get through in a waterless open area than in mountains with an abundance of natural shelters?
              Only by the fact that walking along the plain is more convenient than climbing uphill.
            2. воронов
              воронов 4 July 2013 14: 26 New
              0
              Quote: T80UM1
              getting through is not a problem either

              I would like to see you “controlling easily” in ZABVO, in Dauria, for example, in July, or in January, or in your homeland (judging by the flag on a nickname) in Muyunkum, or Betpak Dale. laughing
              1. T80UM1
                T80UM1 4 July 2013 14: 46 New
                0
                do not understand? My comment was a response to the previous post, I generally spoke about the plain part of Southern Siberia. there I crossed the border once to spit, and in summer it is especially easy. I am just a supporter of the border passing through hard-to-reach regions - since crossing it is not an easy task.
        2. washi
          washi 4 July 2013 12: 48 New
          0
          Do you know the story? Or modernity? Underground tunnels with might and main were used and are being used. Do not believe me, ask the Israelites.
          1. antiaircrafter
            antiaircrafter 4 July 2013 12: 50 New
            0
            Quote: Vasya
            Underground tunnels with might and main were used and are being used.

            Digging a tunnel is already costly, troublesome and long. And the masses of "refugees" cannot be let through it. And counter measures, I think, exist.
      3. ultra
        ultra 4 July 2013 12: 54 New
        +1
        Quote: T80UM1
        Initially, the border should pass along natural barriers,

        And if it doesn’t work?
        Quote: T80UM1
        The border should pass through the mountains of the Pamir to the edge of the Tien Shan but not along the plains ...

        Protecting the flat areas is much easier (radar, PRS, video monitoring systems) than the mountain! hi
        1. T80UM1
          T80UM1 4 July 2013 13: 44 New
          0
          It is necessary to do so to pass. In mountainous areas there are 1-3 main passes. Installing control systems is less costly.
          1. antiaircrafter
            antiaircrafter 4 July 2013 14: 08 New
            +1
            Quote: T80UM1
            In mountainous areas there is 1-3 main passage

            And a million small ones that really can’t be blocked.
            1. T80UM1
              T80UM1 4 July 2013 14: 43 New
              0
              for a knowledgeable person, you can block ... all these small passes converge at certain points of the main, who knows the topic ...
    3. papss
      papss 4 July 2013 09: 51 New
      +3
      The red line article highlighted the cause of all modern conflicts:
      that problems with security and the economy arise in those states that become US allies
      I do not agree with the author about
      an armed opposition can either quickly win the war, the expert writes, or completely lose it.
      , the US protege Karzai will not retain power, Russia understands this as well - this is not our Najibul, who would fight back even today ... if Moscow had not betrayed him then. It is worrying that the Taliban will open a representative office in Qatar ... it is clear what will follow. The US is in ongoing negotiations with the Taliban. One can only speculate about what. First, power will be transferred in Afghanistan, then their rapprochement will occur. One thing is clear, these threats are Russia and China
      SCO and CSTO are responsible for the situation in Afghanistan and Central Asia as a whole
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 4 July 2013 10: 22 New
        +4
        Quote: papss
        Taliban to open representative office in Qatar
        Actually, when the Taliban was in power, the first with whom he entered into diplomatic relations was Qatar. In the years of the 1st Chechen, a peculiar triangle formed: Qatar-Afghanistan-Chechnya according to the scheme: money-militants-battlefield. British intelligence agents act as intermediaries. Another interesting to track what colorful personalities live in the UK: here is a 1-in example, offhand:
        British Foreign Secretary David Miliband, who visited one of the British troops in Afghanistan during his visit, was unpleasantly surprised by the results of a survey of samples of improvised explosive devices actively used by Taliban militants.
        According to the military engineers of the military unit, a thorough study of the components and components used by the Taliban in the manufacture of electronic circuits for remote control of explosive devices made it possible to determine the country of manufacture of the electronics used by the militants. Simple remote control detonation control panels, complex electronic circuits have one manufacturing address - Great Britain.
        The only thing that the Minister of Foreign Affairs of the United Kingdom could tell in response was that Great Britain is the country with the most developed democracy in the world. What is the use of representatives of the Islamic community. They acquire the necessary components, personally deliver them to Afghanistan and transfer them to the militants.
        This is far from the first fact of close interaction between the British Muslim community and the Taliban, the British newspaper The Telegraph notes. Earlier, the commander of the British forces in Afghanistan, Ed Butler, reported on the presence of British citizenship among senior representatives of the Taliban .http: //www.eurosmi.ru/taliby_ubivayut_britantsev_bombami_izgotovlennym
        i_v_anglii.html
        Or this:
        Afghans living in the UK spend several months in a row in Afghanistan, fighting with NATO forces, and then return to England. In addition, they send money to support the Taliban. These facts became known to the Guardian newspaper.
        Last month, a Taliban fighting in the Dhani Ghorri region of northern Afghanistan told the Guardian that he had been living in eastern London for most of the year, and had come to Afghanistan for three months to participate in the fighting.
        “In London, I work as a taxi driver on call,” says this man, who has the military rank of mid-level commander in the Taliban’s army, “you know, there [in the UK] I make good money. However, these people are my friends, my family lives here, so I consider it my duty to participate in jihad and fight with them. ”
        “There are a lot of people like me in London,” the gunman continues, “all year we raise money to support jihad, and if we can, we come to Afghanistan to fight.”
        His elder brother, a clergyman and theologian, or Mawlaw, as they say here, also lives in London, which did not stop him from fighting against the NATO forces along with the Taliban in the Dhani Ghorri region.
        Read more: http://rus.ruvr.ru/2010/11/25/35593549/
        1. washi
          washi 4 July 2013 12: 52 New
          +2
          It is time to introduce democracy in Qatar and fight terrorism in Britain. At the same time, assist Bolotny in finding the killers of Litvenenko and Berezovsky
        2. INVESTOR
          INVESTOR 4 July 2013 15: 29 New
          +1
          how nice to read))) do not dig the near grave, you yourself will fall into it)))
      2. Igarr
        Igarr 4 July 2013 10: 49 New
        +2
        Borders, borders ...
        there is no better border than the coast.
        Where is the nearest sea? Oh, Native American Akiyan ... I remember also Vladimir Volfovich Zh. Promised that we would wash our boots there. And the rest of the body.
        Mountains, after all ... are mountains. Let climbers go there. And the songs are sung.
        But it’s better to guard the border “..on the sea sand, where I met Marusya ..”.
        We take into account the experience of Dunkirk and the operation "Overlord", draw conclusions ..
        And let's go .. wash boots.
    4. evgenii67
      evgenii67 4 July 2013 10: 17 New
      +7
      Hello everyone! Afghanistan, what kind of country ?! A country that has never lost, a country with a population of two Moscow, a poor country, essentially without export and import (legal). The world leader in the production of drugs, and after all, there are aviation in the world and there are reagents that completely destroy all crops, it’s just beneficial for someone and these people are not only the Taliban, which NATO troops have been doing there for so long request I’ll answer, they were engaged in business, and indeed war for America is a business, it only receives different dividends, we see oil in another war in another.
      1. Karlsonn
        Karlsonn 4 July 2013 12: 43 New
        +1
        Quote: evgenii67
        A country that has never lost, a country with a population of two Moscow, a poor country, essentially without export and import (legal).


        What wars did Afghanistan win?
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 4 July 2013 12: 51 New
          +3
          None. Here, as in Vietnam, it was not the troops who won, but the internal problems of the enemy state.
          1. Karlsonn
            Karlsonn 4 July 2013 14: 22 New
            0
            Quote: Spade
            None. Here, as in Vietnam, it was not the troops who won, but the internal problems of the enemy state.


            Personally, this myth of Afghan invincibility has always touched me, in fact, they live just like they live, that everyone who went there every time they cut everyone out, that's why there is a salad of people.
      2. Black
        Black 4 July 2013 13: 03 New
        +5
        Quote: evgenii67
        Afghanistan, what kind of country ?!

        Why are you so dismissive? In 79, the "elders" also thought so, then sipped for glands.

        Between Afghanistan and Russia there are now buffer proud republics that somehow .... in the hole, shy away, everyone is selling themselves. over now and China affectionate matchmaker rolls up.
        The decision to accept is not a pity for us, but we would fence ourselves off from them, equip the border, drive out the guest workers, and burn them with blue fire .... For about 10 years, having choked up blood, they’ll crawl on their knees to Russia’s stepmother.
        But that is not the point. The main thing is to burn out the Islamists inside the country with a hot iron. And in the most cruel way. Humanity, humanity, to the side. Introduce the death penalty, let the family be responsible for the affairs of the son-gunman, imprisonment for life only for a word, eliminate 90% of the madrasah !!! Revise administrative boundaries.
        We won’t win inside - no borders will help.
        1. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 4 July 2013 23: 44 New
          0
          Quote: Chen
          Why are you so dismissive? In 79, the "elders" also thought so, then sipped for glands.


          The gain in the war is determined by only one and the Soviet Army received it.
      3. воронов
        воронов 4 July 2013 14: 31 New
        +1
        Quote: evgenii67
        A country that has never lost

        Lost and more than once, study history and do not draw information from the 6 company film laughing
    5. w.ebdo.g
      w.ebdo.g 4 July 2013 13: 28 New
      +3
      very positive video ...
    6. воронов
      воронов 4 July 2013 14: 07 New
      +2
      Quote: seasoned
      Equip the borders of Russia

      So equip it if the length only with Kazakhstan is 7599km. wassat
      1. experienced
        experienced 4 July 2013 14: 14 New
        +5
        Quote: voronov
        So equip it if the length only with Kazakhstan is 7599km.

        Let’s open all the borders in general, disband the border guards, sell border boats and equipment ... Here’s the profit, there will be savings for the budget fool Together with Kazakhstan, it is necessary to create a border from the bayas (Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan), and also with Kazakhstan, a border is needed, but this is secondary.
        The state border of the Republic of Kazakhstan with the Kyrgyz Republic is approximately 1050 kilometers, Turkmenistan 400 kilometers, the Republic of Uzbekistan 2150 kilometers
        Total about 3 600 km, which is difficult for Russia and Kazakhstan in their cover?

        All the same, it will have to be done, now there is money and funds for it, and what will happen next ... And it can even generate income, I don’t even mention the saved lives from drugs
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        2. Thunderbolt
          Thunderbolt 4 July 2013 23: 45 New
          +1
          One kilometer of such a fence in Israel costs $ 2 million. In addition, I believe that sitting behind such a fence means eliminating the processes that will occur in the republics of the Middle East. It is necessary to meet the enemy at distant approaches, otherwise states or foreign military bases that are disloyal to Russia will appear in the Middle East. Strengthen Tajik-like sections in this way - The Afghan border, having strong MMG and front-line aviation there and having influence on the northern provinces of Afghanistan --- our leadership will most likely act in this way. The situation is complicated by the fact that if in the old days this space was exclusively ours (Soviet), now there are other players who do not mind the means to strengthen their position (intrigue, blackmail, direct bribery, color revolutions, the arsenal is rich)
          1. Thunderbolt
            Thunderbolt 5 July 2013 13: 23 New
            0
            Central Asia after the withdrawal of coalition forces from Afghanistan in 2014 - 2024.http: //navoine.ru/centras-2014-2024.html
    7. w.ebdo.g
      w.ebdo.g 4 July 2013 14: 26 New
      +1
      answered normally ...
    8. w.ebdo.g
      w.ebdo.g 4 July 2013 17: 04 New
      -1
      and finally the statements from the World Bank awaited!

      World Bank calls Russia a high-income country

      According to the annual monitoring results, the World Bank granted Russia the status of a state in which over the past ten years the level of income has been above average. According to the organization, the national annual per capita income rose here to $ 12,7


      and who here recently shouted that everything is bad in our country, everything is lost and incomes are falling?
      Alarmists are shitty ... I would have expressed myself harder, but moderators will not allow it.

    9. dark_65
      dark_65 4 July 2013 17: 40 New
      0
      In vain, why not repeat Genghis Khan’s campaign in the opposite direction? Or does morality interfere? So history has no morality, still develops in a spiral? So we’ll develop, a mass of people have accumulated in the country dreaming of action.
    10. Sobol
      Sobol 4 July 2013 19: 21 New
      0
      + And also with the drug problem it will be easier!
  2. FC SKIF
    FC SKIF 4 July 2013 09: 24 New
    10
    It’s better to spend a billion evergreens on Kyrgyzstan than then lose millions of lives in Russia.
    1. seller trucks
      seller trucks 4 July 2013 09: 49 New
      +7
      and spend the same amount on "destabilizing the situation" (c) in the Americas, showing that We are not done with a finger and Russia has its own "geopolitical interests" (c)
      1. theadenter
        theadenter 4 July 2013 10: 04 New
        -1
        Another thing is that the United States will not allow this to happen. In their hands is information management and powerful intelligence - both internal and external.
        1. seller trucks
          seller trucks 4 July 2013 10: 08 New
          +2
          from what, there is Venezuela, Brazil, Argentina, Cuba, and indeed there, there are countries that agree to "be friends" against the United States, especially for money
          1. theadenter
            theadenter 4 July 2013 13: 47 New
            0
            I nevertheless had in mind the "destabilization of the situation" within the United States, Canada, Mexico, since you mentioned North America.
      2. FC SKIF
        FC SKIF 4 July 2013 10: 19 New
        +1
        This is not our method. We don’t know how. Although it is possible to supply arms to groups of black rebels who carry democracy at night on American gates, recognize the independence of the state of Lakota, announce the cancellation of the Alaska sale agreement due to a change in administration, and challenge the lawfulness of the purchase and sale transaction about. Manhattan etc. etc.
        1. seller trucks
          seller trucks 4 July 2013 11: 11 New
          +3
          Quote: FC Skiff
          This is not our method. We don’t know how.


          this is Our method and We know how, I’m not a jerk-raiser, but at 100% I’m sure that they don’t sit idly by and do not eat their bread for nothing, damn it, the Soviet intelligence was the best in the world, I refuse to believe that now there nerds are sitting.
          1. washi
            washi 4 July 2013 12: 59 New
            +1
            Believe me. After Serdyukov there are few sensible left. Previously, the head of the GRU could and reported directly to the President
            I don’t know now, but it was canceled during the stool.
            Reduced management. Special forces transferred to districts and reduced.
            During the reduction and reorganization of the armed forces, intelligence is being increased. We have the opposite
      3. KG_patriot_last
        KG_patriot_last 4 July 2013 14: 34 New
        +2
        the USA has its own Afghanistan - Mexico and Colombia. With the same drugs, with the same executions (moreover, if the Taliban’s head is cut off, it’s also dismembered, look for the video).

        Do Russia and China deal with them? No idea.
        1. theadenter
          theadenter 4 July 2013 14: 41 New
          +1
          there are also dismember, look for a video

          I don’t think it’s normal to purposefully search for such videos.
    2. omsbon
      omsbon 4 July 2013 10: 15 New
      +1
      Quote: FC Skiff
      Better to spend a billion evergreens on Kyrgyzstan than then lose millions of lives in Russia

      Of course, you are right, it is better to meet the enemy at distant approaches, but you must not forget to defend your border!
  3. erased
    erased 4 July 2013 09: 31 New
    +9
    All analysts do not take into account one simple factor. If the power of the Russian Federation coexists on its field with Afghan terrorism, then in the vastness of Russia a massacre of Russians will be launched. By dividing the jackpot from drugs and other sources, the government will allow the Russians to be killed and slaughtered, as is now allowed to people from the Caucasus and neighboring countries. As an example - the last episode with a beating biker. And then at least do something, but do not change anything.
    If the government is greedy, it can somehow protect the borders, that is, they will kill and they will be less and not everywhere. That's all the options. There is no option to protect the people, because it is not profitable. The Russian people are not included in the category of "state interests".
    1. ale-x
      ale-x 4 July 2013 09: 57 New
      +3
      I completely agree with you. The Russian authorities do not want and apparently will not protect the Russian population with our MULTINONATIONAL and MULTOCONFESSIONAL, super TOLERANT, to all (except the Russians) hospitable "Russian Federation".
  4. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 4 July 2013 09: 35 New
    +4
    The backward economic situation of Tajikistan, for example, is a breeding ground for the radical opposition. And behind the river, the drug-rich state of the Taliban is formed. What can they offer for export? Only drugs and radical Islam. And the Tajik border guards have little protection, no protection, unfortunately.
  5. Kremlin
    Kremlin 4 July 2013 09: 43 New
    0
    You know ... you can believe ... Chechnya was forgotten ... the war was on the territory of the Russian Federation! ...
  6. treskoed
    treskoed 4 July 2013 09: 56 New
    +1
    According to the statement of the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation, in the 2014 year, Russia plans to begin deliveries of arms to Kyrgyzstan (the amount of the contract is over 1,1 billion dollars). Tajikistan will receive weapons worth about 200 million dollars

    Chechnya was also armed at the time. Maybe it’s better to help them with gas and oil?
  7. Apollo
    Apollo 4 July 2013 10: 16 New
    +5
    citation-The tasks set there by the CSTO Secretary General Nikolai Bordyuzha described as follows: “There are two vectors in our activities. First - interaction with the Afghan authoritiesassisting them in ensuring stability, preparing law enforcement agencies, and implementing social and economic projects. Second - strengthening the power potential of the CSTO, Collective Rapid Reaction Forces, bilateral groupings and peacekeeping capabilities. Plus, issues of state border protection. ”

    Relative to the first thesis, whom did N. Bordyuzha mean ?! Karzai, not today, so tomorrow the Americans will pour him over to the Taliban! There can’t even be any talk about this, Karzai now thinks only about one thing, not to repeat the fate of Najibullah and, if possible, take his legs off.
    Now with regard to the second thesis, here I completely agree, but in my opinion, along with proactive military measures, it would be advisable to establish contacts with the Taliban to establish relations. It’s no secret that as soon as the Americans leave, the Taliban overnight, it will take Kabul and come to power. In other words, measures, coupled with the military, of a diplomatic and political nature, are needed to neutralize Taliban plans for Russia and other post-Soviet countries.
    1. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 4 July 2013 11: 12 New
      +3
      Quote: Apollon
      Relative to the first thesis, whom did N. Bordyuzha mean ?!
      At one time, Russia supported the Northern Alliance — non-Pashtun ethnic Uzbeks and Tajiks. Here we have something to talk about and probably have to: they once presented a kind of buffer between Sr. Asia and the Taliban. It is characteristic that after the tragic death of Ahmad Shah Masuda, his successor, General Muhammad Fahimkhan, was officially introduced in Dushanbe to officials of Iran, Russia, India, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan. An indicative fact.
    2. Tersky
      Tersky 4 July 2013 12: 54 New
      +2
      Quote: Apollon
      The first is the interaction with the Afghan authorities, helping them to ensure stability, prepare law enforcement agencies, and implement social and economic projects.

      Apollo, good health! And at the same time-"CAIRO, 4 July. / Corr. ITAR-TASS. After several years of generous assistance to Afghanistan, in anticipation of the withdrawal of foreign troops from the country, Western countries demanded a significant policy change from Kabul in exchange for financial assistance. The West promised Afghanistan annually to provide about 8 billion dollars after the withdrawal of NATO forces in the 2014 year. The provision of this money was promised under certain conditions, which were determined last year at a meeting in Tokyo. In particular, long-term support was promised in the fight against corruption and the protection of women's rights. " as we see interaction with the Afghan authorities, the United States and NATO allies have already promised, as they say again in ...
  8. alan_07
    alan_07 4 July 2013 10: 27 New
    +4
    Quote: seasoned
    The US does not intend to lose influence in the republics of Central Asia.

    Big Sam will not take out these loads, economics, wars, scandals with the EU against - Stabilization of Russia on the world stage, which makes us not only reckon with it, but also be afraid. Putin, during the reign of Medvedev, watched from the side what and how it turns out, where mistakes are made, a forecast for the future. The CSTO will soon be bigger than the EU in all plans, because it’s all in the USSR, headed by a state who is an old-fashioned KGB man, not counting Iran, India, shortly after the scandal with the EU and Latin America, as well as Germany will ( voluntarily forced) by friends of Russia. In general, we still show "Kuzkin mother"
  9. Rattenfanger
    Rattenfanger 4 July 2013 10: 33 New
    +3
    The visa regime, the border on the castle, etc. is necessary, of course. But we won’t win this war. Need to beat they have them at home: aviation, drones, special forces should make them "laugh" to such an extent that the very thought of going north will cause spontaneous urination.
    Simultaneously this requires a figure (what a pity that there is no Massoud!), capable of becoming the center of gravity of all anti-radical forces.
    Well and in the end, it will be necessary to resolve the issue with Pakistan. Why would our staff not get the Rockfall plan from the far shelves and start singing songs about a united state to the Pashtuns? That's what Islamobad will be delighted with. Before hiccups and nervous tic.
    1. washi
      washi 4 July 2013 13: 03 New
      0
      I agree. The owners of the drug business must be beaten. Destroy beats and amers, or rather their owners
    2. volkodav
      volkodav 4 July 2013 22: 58 New
      0
      chic plan !!!!!!!!!! And to lay the financing of this plan on India, I still suspect that she will not mind hi
  10. serge-68-68
    serge-68-68 4 July 2013 10: 40 New
    +3
    If (rather, when) Karzai is blown away, then Tajikistan will fall after him (almost immediately), and Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan and Kyrgyzstan (a little later) will fall. But these kings will agree among themselves. In addition, it is beneficial for China and the United States that the Taliban go north, to Russia, in fact, already today the second route for the delivery of Afghan heroin leads there. It is necessary to strengthen the border, and not give away billions of dollars to the bays already overbought by the Chinese and Yankees. The plain is a great place for equipping systems (including mining). This is not Transcaucasia, in which in Soviet times there were up to 10 breakthroughs per day.
  11. ed65b
    ed65b 4 July 2013 10: 41 New
    -1
    The main thing is that their army does not scatter home. And I’m also afraid that it will turn out like in ancient times they will sit in silence and watch how the neighbor’s house is blazing. They may not help. My hut from the edge I don’t know anything. This will end the great Turkic chatter about the brothers. And our Russian soldiers will be raking.
    1. Alibekulu
      Alibekulu 4 July 2013 19: 53 New
      +4
      Quote: ed65b
      The main thing is that their army does not scatter home. And I’m also afraid that it will turn out like in ancient times they will sit in silence and watch how the neighbor’s house is blazing. They may not help. My hut from the edge do not know anything.

      Well, I’d be clever .. in Tajikistan there was a kazbat and the dead were .. and there was indignation of the mothers of the dead - "why they die on a foreign side" .. And, I remember Nazarbayev explained the presence of Kazakh soldiers in Tajikistan, just the proverb that you brought here - "What you can’t watch as the neighbor’s house is blazing.".. So do not bzdi ..
      This will end the great Turkic chatter about the brothers.

      And, for the Kyrgyz, the Kazakhs will always stand up, if there is a need .. And in our common history there are times when the Kazakhs and Kyrgyz stood out as a united front. There are examples when the Kazakhs slaughtered the Kyrgyz, and vice versa ..
  12. Sergey Medvedev
    Sergey Medvedev 4 July 2013 10: 54 New
    0
    Quote: antiaircrafter
    The barbed wire has risen in price or stocks in warehouses rusted?

    Barbed wire from warehouses has long been stolen and sold. And written off as rusted. wink
    1. antiaircrafter
      antiaircrafter 4 July 2013 11: 13 New
      0
      Quote: Sergey Medvedev
      And decommissioned like rusted

      Here are the bastards!
  13. ko88
    ko88 4 July 2013 10: 59 New
    +1
    everything has its time
  14. Sergey Medvedev
    Sergey Medvedev 4 July 2013 11: 12 New
    -3
    Quote: omsbon
    Better to spend a billion evergreens on Kyrgyzstan than then lose millions of lives in Russia

    Do you seriously believe that investing in the invincible army of Kyrgyzstan, numbering 15, will save Russia ???? Given the constant change of their leadership, due to color revolutions? In whose hands will our weapon be in a couple of years, and against whom will it be directed?
    In fact, Russia has only two permanent and loyal allies. This is the Army and Navy.
    They need to invest in them.
  15. EGORKA
    EGORKA 4 July 2013 12: 07 New
    +1
    And finally, we need to invest “something” in our Ministry of Internal Affairs, so that it finally begins to protect us, and not bandits, who often come, in addition to the external, as it is not sad there is an internal front on which we can lose a war and then it’s easy to break our external threats just once or twice. But before that, the authorities still don’t get their hands on it, they probably wait until the roasted cock in the ass bites, then our people (who will be on the rise) will start to solve it themselves, and this is fraught with it’s hard to stop us, it would not be desirable in history that the Russians staged genocide against Caucasians, migrants from Asia, and this can happen if the authorities do not begin to put things in order, and guests from the Caucasus, migrants from Asia do not begin to comply with the laws and do not go into a foreign monastery with its own charter. We all will feel bad and only compliance with the laws and their strict control and respect for the traditions of the indigenous population will create a climate for mutual respect and cohabitation based on tolerance, and possibly friendship in the future. it will ultimately give us more strength and resources to deal with external enemies and threats.
    The Earth’s resources are running out, and Russia has large reserves of them, and to keep them we need to have a healthy society that can respond to external attacks in our address without being distracted by internal problems.
  16. knn54
    knn54 4 July 2013 12: 09 New
    +2
    - Border conflicts between Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan may become more serious after the withdrawal of the ISAF from Afghanistan.
    From the ambitions of Karimov and Rakhmonov and their bais, in case of conflict, both sides will not lose.
    The Director of National Intelligence presented to the US Senate an annual report on the Worldwide Threat Assessment of the US Intelligence Community, which explicitly states that the threats to the Central Asian republics are primarily in themselves.
    -experienced: Equip the borders of Russia and introduce a visa regime !!!
    It is hardly possible to fence off Central Asia with barbed wire, a concrete wall ...
    More than 30 million people live in Central Asia - which is twice as many as in the Union RF of Kazakhstan. And when such a mass of the population finds itself in a humanitarian and economic crisis - then what to do? Do not let the population go - filtration camps on the southern border of Kazakhstan or shoot refugees?
    So only JOINT efforts of the Russian Federation, China and the republics of the SA and possibly Turkey (if it enters the SCO and it also has something to lose in the SA) will allow it to counter the threat.
    1. antiaircrafter
      antiaircrafter 4 July 2013 17: 19 New
      +1
      Quote: knn54
      Do not let the population go - filtration camps on the southern border of Kazakhstan or shoot refugees?

      It is not to let go of the camp !!!
      Because we do not need their humanitarian and economic crisis.
  17. washi
    washi 4 July 2013 13: 19 New
    +1
    In connection with the spread of drug addiction, bribery, inadequate activities of the government, governors, increased nationalism:
    Introduce presidential rule in all areas of Russia.
    Unprofitable enterprises, until 1991, leave at the disposal of the owners
    From owners of profitable enterprises (until 1991) to recover the difference from the invested funds for modernization and profits.
    Prohibit profits from enterprises to withdraw abroad.
    Do not tax agriculture
    Well, somewhere like that
    1. INVESTOR
      INVESTOR 4 July 2013 15: 51 New
      -1
      You’re like Lenin on the batter))) TAIL SPRINGED, MASTER MASHING)))
  18. воронов
    воронов 4 July 2013 14: 02 New
    -2
    "Russia to the teeth will arm the Kyrgyz and Tajik armies" on its own head
  19. KG_patriot_last
    KG_patriot_last 4 July 2013 14: 14 New
    +1
    2014-2015 Taliban years will probably be occupied exclusively in Afghanistan. The US is already in talks with the Taliban to grant them power. Perhaps the Iranian scenario will be borrowed: Islamic guards - the Taliban, President Karzai. They want to turn Afghanistan into an instrument of pressure on the countries of the region:

    Pakistan - Afghanistan (the USA does not have a counterweight to Pakistan in the region, so they jump off the US needle in favor of China)
    Iran - Afghanistan (for the Afghans, the external enemy for unification is extremely important - and Shiite Iran is suitable as an enemy for the United States and Afghanistan)
    Central Asia - Afghanistan (an attempt by Afghanistan to become a regional power will be conducted in the direction of Uzbeks and Tajiks)
  20. KG_patriot_last
    KG_patriot_last 4 July 2013 14: 26 New
    +3
    Close the border tightly only from the side of Central Asia will not work ... With all desire. It is necessary to close either from all sides, from all countries like the USSR (even Mimino will be different) or not even start, because it is a waste for Russia.
    For example, the United States has only 2 land borders: with Mexico and with Canada. Illegals are a bunch.

    Because a simple layman thinks that illegal immigrants without a rod through some tunnels are not. You can enter through any country with official documents. In order to close tightly, the SA will have to deport all Asians of any nationality, separate the Caucasus from the country, and for example, conditional Lithuania, too, close all borders, but not Russia, but with its neighboring countries and so on around the world, the domino effect will be. USSR built socialism in neighboring countries, and Russia under capitalism ...

    Then the Tatars will have problems, then the Bashkirs - from all fenced walls? What then remains of the empire? Moscow and Moscow region or what? The empire does not close borders, it absorbs other countries.
    1. serge-68-68
      serge-68-68 4 July 2013 16: 30 New
      0
      The issue of closing the border, or rather, creating a normal state border protection regime is a matter of desire and means.
  21. Vtel
    Vtel 4 July 2013 15: 37 New
    0
    The border should be set with drones and Cossack settlements.
  22. albai
    albai 4 July 2013 17: 32 New
    +3
    Quote: voronov
    "Russia to the teeth will arm the Kyrgyz and Tajik armies" on its own head

    In my opinion, for all the time after the collapse of the Union, neither the Kyrgyz nor the Tajik armies, nor the leaders of both countries, in any way, either by action or by words, showed and will not show hostility towards Russia. Since almost all middle and senior officers are trained in Russia, and they are all loyal to the Russians. Yes, the Gaster Uzbeks, Tajiks, Kyrgyzs invaded Russia, but not from a good life. Once the raw materials appendages of the center after the collapse suddenly were left without ties, and without work. And yes, far from the best representatives of Asians work in Russia. And the 15 thousandth army of Kyrgyz, for the vastness of Russia a grain of sand, but on the scale of Kyrgyzstan, not a small force, and even mob.resources of about 50-60 thousand. So if that, we will compete with the Taliban. In the mountains, and one can fight off half a kilometer if he sits correctly. In the mountains, only a few paths and roads are passable, the rest only with the help of not weak alpsnaryagi, not the fact that the bandits have them.Word can be specifically blocked. The military component of defense, pales in front of the political. If the three large "bays" are politically perspicaciously understood and united, no one will succeed, and if not, there will be a domino effect, no matter how much fuss. And the borders must be equipped up to the old Soviet with everything modern, and there will be happiness for all, at distant frontiers.
    1. soldier's grandson
      soldier's grandson 4 July 2013 19: 00 New
      +2
      we are already starting to discuss the topic - how will we fight the enemy in our territory is just one thing I think is a loss in the USSR, such thoughts were unacceptable, the authorities were busy with the Olympics and other useful things
      1. Kasym
        Kasym 4 July 2013 19: 39 New
        +7
        Great soldier, good evening! +! We in Afghanistan need to carry our values ​​and worldview. For this, the USSR did the following: invited young people to study with themselves, helped specials. - engineers, landowners, builders; helped to raise the economy, helped in the creation of the state. structure and army.
        Kazakhstan is already doing something: we are obliged to annually train 1 students in the country's universities (from the last academic year, that is, they are already studying for us). I don’t remember exactly in which region of Afghanistan (the most peaceful), schools and hospitals were built, some kind of production was opened, expensive, planting grain, miky, tractors. They did something else. But of course it’s a drop in the ocean. Need a program to boost Afghanistan’s economy. and international, large-scale assistance - the country is in fact immersed in the Middle Ages. Here, the SCO would have come in handy - there’s no need to look at the West (there are only problems from them). hi
  23. Selevc
    Selevc 4 July 2013 22: 44 New
    +1
    Lord - I look at this article so scared everyone !!! The hordes of the Taliban will go to Central Asia and then to Russia !!! A huge herd of politicians, both Russian and in the former Soviet republics of the SA, stirred up !!!

    And all you have to do is

    1. To establish round-the-clock control of the Pyanj River - the Taliban are not flies of the Central Committee - they will not fly the river !!!
    2. Create several quick response units - in case of breakthrough of large Taliban groups across the border ...
    3. Create border barriers on mountain trails and passes ...
    4. Establish very tight control at the border checkpoints of the checkpoint - moreover, joint Russian-Kazakh-Tajik-Uzbek-Kyrgyz control is desirable
    cue ...
    5. Control over the entire length of the border between Afghanistan and Central Asia with the help of UAVs is just a great reason to improve this technique ... But you can do without them - before only detachments of border guards with dogs + barbed wire managed to control the entire perimeter of the USSR! !!

    That's all that needs to be done !!! And here already some invented another Apocalypse !!!

    The main problem is not in the Taliban but in the heads of Moscow and Central Asian politicians !!!That would be real cooperation between Russia and the countries of Central Asia - not just in words but in practice ... And then everyone has been going to all sorts of summits and symposiums for 20 years now, while the Taliban are looking at them and will actually trample to the north !!!
    1. volkodav
      volkodav 4 July 2013 23: 02 New
      0
      Tajiks and Uzbeks, because of their stubborn stubbornness, will not allow joint patrolling and border control with our border guards, it’s their bread and drug caravans across the border
      1. Selevc
        Selevc 4 July 2013 23: 19 New
        0
        So you need to raise the question with an edge - either we control the border together - or then equip the southern border of Kazakhstan or the Russian Federation ... And a half-solution will only lead to holes on the southern borders of the CA countries ...
        1. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 4 July 2013 23: 46 New
          0
          Quote: Selevc
          A half solution will only lead to holes on the southern borders of the CA countries ...


          you need to dance from the stove, and not play with the counters - one-two-three- I'm going to look for you.
        2. Marek Rozny
          Marek Rozny 5 July 2013 13: 01 New
          +3
          Kazakhs without a pump and hysteria have long been tightly closing the border with Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan. We do not need money from Russia for the arrangement of the Kazakh borders. Help better to other neighbors.

          The border line is being built with the countries mentioned completely (with the Turkmens - the walls are metal like a mesh netting, and with the Uzbeks - concrete walls) is being erected with a thorn, border guards, video cameras and other elements of the total border. We are not building such a border with Kyrgyzstan and will not build it. Because the Kyrgyz are our brothers (like Russians and Belarusians), and secondly, it is a real CSTO ally, and soon a neighbor in the CU and the EAC being created. What the border there? We’ll better help the Kyrgyz to arrange the border along the outer perimeter, and not at the junction with us.
          Kazakhstan, like Russia, is actively helping Kyrgyzstan with finances, free training for Kyrgyz cadets, and transfers weapons and equipment.
          Anyway, the Kyrgyz are very good soldiers. They do not know how to "run away" on the battlefield, they don’t include the back one.
          Z.Y. A few years ago, Kyrgyz guest workers in Moscow suggested that Aryan skinheads play football with them. Skinheads were blown away. Kyrgyz are not Uzbeks or Tajiks. They, kanesh, gouging and those still lovers to make noise, but in general a very adequate and reliable nation.
  24. volkodav
    volkodav 4 July 2013 23: 10 New
    0
    Quote: albai
    Quote: voronov
    "Russia to the teeth will arm the Kyrgyz and Tajik armies" on its own head

    In my opinion, for all the time after the collapse of the Union, neither the Kyrgyz nor the Tajik armies, nor the leaders of both countries, in any way, either by action or by words, showed and will not show hostility towards Russia. Since almost all middle and senior officers are trained in Russia, and they are all loyal to the Russians. Yes, the Gaster Uzbeks, Tajiks, Kyrgyzs invaded Russia, but not from a good life. Once the raw materials appendages of the center after the collapse suddenly were left without ties, and without work. And yes, far from the best representatives of Asians work in Russia. And the 15 thousandth army of Kyrgyz, for the vastness of Russia a grain of sand, but on the scale of Kyrgyzstan, not a small force, and even mob.resources of about 50-60 thousand. So if that, we will compete with the Taliban. In the mountains, and one can fight off half a kilometer if he sits correctly. In the mountains, only a few paths and roads are passable, the rest only with the help of not weak alpsnaryagi, not the fact that the bandits have them.Word can be specifically blocked. The military component of defense, pales in front of the political. If the three large "bays" are politically perspicaciously understood and united, no one will succeed, and if not, there will be a domino effect, no matter how much fuss. And the borders must be equipped up to the old Soviet with everything modern, and there will be happiness for all, at distant frontiers.

    well, just smiled laughing what smoked before writing this opus? probably for the whole day Rembo watched "one against half-wives" laughing in which galaxy fought? What star reward system do you have?
    1. albai
      albai 5 July 2013 07: 03 New
      +2
      I do not smoke, I fought on the Salang of the Kyrgyz Republic infantry, Soviet awards. In the recent history of Russia, there was a similar "battle for the height of 776" of the Airborne Forces. And then in the Caucasus, mountains are low and gentle, and in the Pamirs, roads and trails rarely drop below 2500-3000m. Are you a merry fellow, probably above the mounds of the Central Russian Plain and have not seen? Mountains especially Pamir and Tien Shan is another song.
      1. volkodav
        volkodav 5 July 2013 11: 29 New
        0
        Well, he himself was born and raised in the Altai mountains, and he served in the Caucasus, much has been said about that battle-Eternal memory to the little brothers! only their company was. It’s only since the time of the Afghan epic that little has changed in the tactics of battle in the mountains, and the means of destruction are not standing still, and the bastards, long-range rifles, adjustable shells, and other Shaitan sackcloth are progressing laughing takshto alone wherever he
  25. albai
    albai 5 July 2013 19: 23 New
    +1
    Quote: volkodav
    and everything is progressing scum, long-range rifles, adjustable shells, other Shaitan sackcloth
    I agree! But it was not in vain that I said:
    Quote: albai
    And if Russia pulls up modern weapons, b \ n, and intelligence
    . We have junk, from the time of the king of peas, and if, in accordance with the agreement, the modern quarter is brought up to the VI quarter, you can tightly go to hell in the mountains. And the Russian drones will be in the suit. Because on the borders of Uzbekistan and Tajikistan, as in the old days, battalions of Kazakhs and Kyrgyzs will be tightened, then at least among Tajiks, the mouse will not creep, not like drug couriers.
  26. Pere lachaise
    Pere lachaise 7 July 2013 17: 59 New
    0
    http://zavalidumu.org/#
    On June 3, the Committee on Constitutional Legislation and State Building of the State Duma of the Russian Federation of the VI convocation announced its refusal to consider the people's legislative initiative for introducing a visa regime with the countries of Central Asia and the Caucasus, in support of which more than 100 signatures of Russian citizens were collected.

    We became interested in what prompted the deputies - members of this committee, to react negatively to the civic initiative on one of the most acute problems of modern Russia. Therefore, we decided to ask the “people's representatives” about this. Fortunately, the laws of the Russian Federation oblige them to respond to every request received. It seems to us that if there are not ten or not one hundred, but thousands, of such letters, the deputies will seriously think that they have made a serious mistake.

    Representatives of the committee stated that the problem of visa regime and migration is "not relevant" today! Do you agree with that? If you see that the streets of your city began to resemble the "oriental bazaar", and your loved ones cautiously return home in the evenings - just write a letter to the deputies. Especially in order to flood the Duma with letters, we made this site. Fill in the empty fields and click the "send" button. Your letter will be sent immediately to all committee members. It takes about 5 minutes from the force. And deputies will receive hundreds of letters daily. And they will answer.
  27. Pere lachaise
    Pere lachaise 7 July 2013 18: 01 New
    0
    Speaking specifically about the article, my answer is the same. I sincerely agree with the opinion that the fewer guests from the southern republics, the less shit, including terrorism, in Russia.