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From "Geneva-2" there is no stone left on the stone

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Yesterday’s talks between Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov and US Secretary of State John Kerry in Brunei clarified the key issues in Russian-American relations. As Kommersant found out, Moscow and Washington have already come to terms with the failure of the initiative to hold an international conference on Syria — Geneva-2 — and now they decide who will announce this. In addition, the Russian authorities decided on the attitude to the recent proposal by US President Barack Obama to radically reduce the nuclear arsenals of the two countries: Moscow considers this initiative ostentatious and, in fact, rejects it. With details from Brunei - the correspondent of "b" PAVEL b-Tarasenko.


Sergei Lavrov’s seventh meeting with John Kerry (after he took up the post of US Secretary of State in February) was devoted mainly to Syria, as well as most of the previous ones. However, if earlier the heads of diplomacy of the two countries expressed optimism about the prospects for a diplomatic resolution of the Syrian conflict, now the mood has changed. The reason is the difficulties encountered in preparing the international conference on Syria: so far, neither the date of the “Geneva-2” nor the composition of the participants has been agreed upon.

Following the talks with Mr. Kerry on the margins of the meeting of ministers of the countries of the East Asian Summit in Brunei, Sergey Lavrov said that the Americans are not refusing to "consolidate the Syrian opposition on the platform of the Geneva communique." At the same time, according to a source from Kommersant close to the Russian delegation, "the United States just keeps this idea afloat, but in fact it is no longer going to hold a conference." “One of the proofs of this is Washington’s decision to start supplying Syrian opposition members weapons. Another negotiator, Saudi Arabia, is also opposed to Geneva-2, the source explained to Kommersant and summed up: “Now there is a diplomatic game about who will be the first to publicly announce the failure of the initiative."

It was assumed that the second topic for discussion at the Lavrov-Kerry meeting would be the scandal surrounding the ex-CIA officer Edward Snowden. For American journalists, this was the main topic. One of them, under the guise of a tourist, spent all morning waiting for Mr. Lavrov at the exit of the hotel and tried to ask him a question about the ex-CIA analyst, but without success. Then, at the very beginning of negotiations about the possibility of providing political refuge in the Russian Federation to Edward Snowden, the Washington Post journalist asked. "Don't shout at me!" - the Russian minister threw her into irritation in English. After the completion of the talks, Sergey Lavrov said that he had not discussed the topic of Snowden with John Kerry. “Our president has already said everything. They (the Americans. -“ Kommersant ”) understand this,” the minister explained.

To the above disagreements, one more was added - the relatively recent initiative of Barack Obama to increase the level of trust between the US and the Russian Federation by drastically reducing the nuclear arsenals of the two countries (see Kommersant on June 20). Earlier, Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov assured Kommersant that Moscow intends to "thoroughly" analyze the proposal of Washington. By the meeting in Brunei, the Russian authorities seem to have decided on their position.

As Kommersant was told by a Russian diplomatic source, the initiative of Barack Obama is mostly of an ostentatious nature, "given that the United States is developing other types of weapons in parallel, do not want to ratify the Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty and discuss the possibility of putting weapons into space."

This, in essence, means that Moscow has rejected the proposal of Barack Obama.
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  1. experienced
    experienced 3 July 2013 11: 26 New
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    This, in essence, means that Moscow has rejected the proposal of Barack Obama.

    Probably the time has come to get away from diplomatic tricks and say everything in plain text ... What we are observing now
    1. Норд
      Норд 3 July 2013 11: 41 New
      18
      For the seventh time in a row, Lavrov sent Kerry a forest - he doesn’t get it, well, they’re stupid ...
      1. Romn
        Romn 3 July 2013 13: 17 New
        +3
        With regard to Russia and the leadership of our country, there is now a strong pressure and negative propaganda. The behavior of foreign journalists is confirmed by the fact that in the world we are represented as the main enemies of all the best! The good news is that our country has its own course and point of view, and does not bend like everyone else. We will be united and strong, we will still show everyone! soldier
        1. Constantine
          Constantine 3 July 2013 14: 35 New
          +2
          I note that RT does an excellent job for them. Increasingly, information comes to me that the opinion of the Western media about the Russian Federation is beginning to diverge from the opinion of ordinary people. :)
  2. 46bob46
    46bob46 3 July 2013 11: 31 New
    +3
    It would be better from Washington. There are no stones left ....
  3. Canep
    Canep 3 July 2013 11: 32 New
    +3
    Actually, I did not expect anything from Geneva-2, but it didn’t even come to this conference that the Americans did not dare (or could not) present the cannibals in Geneva.
    1. Jin
      Jin 3 July 2013 11: 53 New
      +3
      Quote: Canep
      Americans did not dare (or could not)


      And I think, my colleague, that having rubbed it with Lavrov, Kerry realized that they shouldn’t catch figs on this Geneva! That it will not work out and that Russia, so simply will not surrender Syria, our leadership on promises and stupid statements about the "reduction" of nuclear weapons is not being conducted right now.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 3 July 2013 12: 36 New
        +2
        Quote: Jin
        And I think, my colleague, that having rubbed it with Lavrov, Kerry realized that they shouldn’t catch figs on this Geneva!

        a month ago I wrote on the site that Geneva will not be, the United States does not need it request
        1. Jin
          Jin 3 July 2013 12: 50 New
          +1
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          a month ago I wrote on the site that Geneva will not be, the United States does not need it


          Well, it’s clear that the idea is not new. After the announcement of Geneva, when the question came up on the agenda, Kerry rode up to talk with Lavrov. We talked and he understood everything. And immediately the back got it either representatives from the "opposition" were not found, then without Assad, that would be ... in short, everything was clear even then.
        2. Che
          Che 3 July 2013 18: 01 New
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          Amer is trying not to wash so katania to achieve their goal in Syria. To crush strategic nuclear weapons, it is necessary to create powerful high-precision weapons. Muryzhat Snowden, in Soviet times he would have already received a visa and a residence permit and citizenship.
          1. DEfindER
            DEfindER 4 July 2013 09: 03 New
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            Quote: Che
            To crush strategic nuclear weapons, it is necessary to create powerful high-precision weapons. Muryzhat Snowden, in Soviet times he would have already received a visa and a residence permit and citizenship.

            NF is actually the only guarantee of our security, because without him we can not stand against Nata .. yet.
            At the expense of Snowden, it is known that thousands of Russian criminals, especially in the 90s, received asylum in the states and in England, Birch alone is worth it, and they committed real and not political crimes, and they can not be called victims of the regime. And now it’s just clear that there are no sovereign countries in the world, it is worth the Americans call some president how he immediately changes his mind, where is independence ..
        3. Bashkaus
          Bashkaus 3 July 2013 20: 58 New
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          a month ago I wrote on the site that Geneva will not be, the United States does not need it By the way, I remember)))
  4. omsbon
    omsbon 3 July 2013 11: 32 New
    +9
    The Americans can’t understand in any way that the time of drunkards and traitors who didn’t give a damn about Russia is gone, I hope forever!
    Russia will not look into their mouths and cave in before them!
    1. Trailer
      Trailer 3 July 2013 13: 24 New
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      Quote: omsbon
      Russia will not look into their mouths and cave in before them!


      Who is the prime minister now? Not the one who surrendered Libya?
      1. Don
        Don 3 July 2013 16: 27 New
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        Quote: Karavan
        Who is the prime minister now? Not the one who surrendered Libya?

        And who is Libya for us?
      2. Cynic
        Cynic 3 July 2013 17: 37 New
        +1
        Quote: Karavan
        Who is the prime minister now? Not the one who surrendered Libya?

        Let me disagree with you
        1. Cynic
          Cynic 3 July 2013 18: 15 New
          0
          More
          http://eugenyshultz.livejournal.com/409409.html
  5. Scandinavian
    Scandinavian 3 July 2013 11: 34 New
    +7
    The situation seems to be slowly moving out of the diplomatic colony into a colony of direct confrontation and direct action. What needs to be tightened to tighten the belt will shake .....
    1. Bashkaus
      Bashkaus 3 July 2013 21: 01 New
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      that's for sure, the main thing is that the belts would not melt ((
  6. dropout
    dropout 3 July 2013 11: 39 New
    +5
    Russia does not want world domination - but also does not want to bow its head to the yoke
  7. Lech from ZATULINKI
    Lech from ZATULINKI 3 July 2013 11: 40 New
    -1
    masks are dropped - by both sides.
    Now everything will be decided by the WAR.
    Whoever remains the battlefield will become the winner.
    Nothing has changed since the time of Napoleon, as before, everything is decided by brute force and not diplomacy and negotiations in the long run
    1. papss
      papss 3 July 2013 11: 48 New
      +2
      Now everything will be decided by the WAR.
      And who canceled it ... the truth is not so harsh - war. Relations between Russia and the United States are rightly called the "cold world." Let them leave us alone with their moralizing and provocations, stop encircling the opponents' countries with a buffer chain, treat them as an equal partner and Russia will answer the same ... All the same question: “Do the Russians want war?”
    2. ovgorskiy
      ovgorskiy 3 July 2013 12: 06 New
      +2
      Russia does not need war. If you have a desire, then the flag is in your hands, with a berdanka on the white house, and preferably on a computer in a war game.
      1. Lech from ZATULINKI
        Lech from ZATULINKI 3 July 2013 12: 19 New
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        If you have a desire, then the flag is in your hands, with a berdanka on the white house, and preferably on a computer in a war game.- primitively.
        Nobody will ask Russia whether it needs war or not — IT WILL SIMPLY BEGIN HOW IN 1941 and IN 2008.
  8. 128mgb
    128mgb 3 July 2013 11: 44 New
    +2
    Honestly, Putin’s answer about Snowden has puzzled me. And I absolutely do not understand Putin’s actions in this regard. And the friction between Russia and the United States has been and will be.
    1. Lech from ZATULINKI
      Lech from ZATULINKI 3 July 2013 11: 50 New
      +2
      Well, everything is simple - PUTIN (FORMER KGB EMPLOYEE) believes in this case that one should act as a COLLEAGUE in relation to the SPECIAL SERVICES to the USA. THERE IS NO PLACE FOR THE CHANGEERS OF YOUR COUNTRY IN RUSSIA.

      However, he forgets how many traitors to RUSSIA and the USSR the USA and ENGLAND have sheltered.
      In this case, I condemn Putin's similar behavior.
      Snowden brought up a topic that everyone already knew, but were afraid to DISCUSSELY DISCUSSION. I THINK on his part this is a courageous act.
      And even more so, I do not exclude the possibility that our special services are not sinless in this area of ​​intelligence.
      1. Canep
        Canep 3 July 2013 12: 06 New
        +6
        Quote: Lech from ZATULINKI
        In this case, I condemn Putin's similar behavior.

        It seems to me that Putin is a man of honor, and therefore does not want to host a traitor who, due to his (Putin's) back, will throw mud at his homeland (i.e. America). If Snowden will sit and keep quiet then let him live in Russia.
        Just a sudden and uncontrolled release of another revealing information during (or on the eve) of some future negotiations with the United States can lead to a breakdown of these negotiations. Putin’s position is quite correct; he doesn’t want Snowden to play his game. In addition, no one will guarantee that this is not a double agent-provocator.
        1. Lech from ZATULINKI
          Lech from ZATULINKI 3 July 2013 12: 16 New
          +3
          AHA means if the government of any country shamelessly spies on its citizens and neighbors - that’s honest, and when someone reveals this dishonestly - I DO NOT SEE LOGIC IN SIMILAR ARGUMENT.
          1. Canep
            Canep 3 July 2013 12: 22 New
            +3
            Honestly and dishonestly, these are notions for schoolchildren; in politics, the terms are used expediently or not. Putin justifiably believes that letting Snowden expose the United States on the Internet from his territory and under the protection of Russia is not advisable. But at the same time it is not worth giving him out; if Snowden shuts up and transfers all the materials of the GRU or the FSB, then let him live in Russia.
            1. Lech from ZATULINKI
              Lech from ZATULINKI 3 July 2013 12: 30 New
              0
              I can’t agree with YOU- if you follow SO TARGET OF SPECIFICITY, many problems can be solved as ADOLF SCHIKLGRUBER decided to proceed from SPECIFICITY. MAY BE DESTROYED BY THE GREAT PART OF HUMANITY - you understand that it’s very reasonable to multiply.
              All the same, there must be moral restraints, otherwise we will slide into the stone age.
              1. Papakiko
                Papakiko 3 July 2013 12: 47 New
                +1
                Quote: Lech from ZATULINKI
                VSETAKI must be moral restraints

                Alexei, do you sincerely think so, or are you "pushing us"?

                Quote: Lech from ZATULINKI
                BASED ON SPECIFICITY, THE MOST PART OF HUMANITY MAY BE DESTROYED

                In the event of a direct threat to your life and the lives of all your close relatives, friends, will you press the "Start" button or not?
                According to one theory, mankind has been repeatedly destroyed. Probably the last time at the beginning of the 19th century.
                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mY7Ym2hloTA
                Here you can familiarize yourself with one of the theories.
                hi
                1. Lech from ZATULINKI
                  Lech from ZATULINKI 3 July 2013 12: 57 New
                  0
                  Probably all the same, I mean it, because I also understand the threat of mutual destruction and not moral values ​​that stops our politicians from pressing the START BUTTON.
            2. ziqzaq
              ziqzaq 3 July 2013 15: 29 New
              0
              Quote: Canep
              But at the same time it is not worth giving him out; if Snowden shuts up and transfers all the materials of the GRU or the FSB, then let him live in Russia.

              I agree with you, what is the use of his materials if everyone knows everything, and if they don’t know, an instrument of influence appears ....
          2. ziqzaq
            ziqzaq 3 July 2013 15: 26 New
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            Quote: Lech from ZATULINKI
            AHA means if the government of any country shamelessly spies on its citizens and neighbors - that’s honest, and when someone reveals this dishonestly - I DO NOT SEE LOGIC IN SIMILAR ARGUMENT.

            The honor and logic of a concept are incompatible by definition. Decision V.V.P. according to Snowden, it’s very competent: either Snowden stays in Russia on the terms of V.V.P or he goes wherever he wants ...
        2. pensioner
          pensioner 3 July 2013 12: 55 New
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          Quote: Canep
          It seems to me that Putin is a man of honor, and therefore does not want to host a traitor who, due to his (Putin's) back, will throw mud at his homeland (i.e. America). If Snowden will sit and keep quiet then let him live in Russia.

          That's something like that and it was spinning in my head, but I could not find the right words. And about the provocateur, too.
        3. falcon
          falcon 3 July 2013 13: 20 New
          0
          Quote: Canep

          I think Putin is a man of honor, and therefore does not want to host a traitor

          Quote: Canep
          Honestly - dishonestly these are notions for schoolchildren,

          You, please, decide on the concepts.
          And it turns out - if we leave Snowden in our place - well done Putin, flint -
          deliciously spat in the direction of the mattress covers, if we don’t leave it, well done too,
          wisely acted, why once again tease geese?
          It always seemed to me that there was such a thing - PRINCIPALITY (or is it also for schoolchildren?) Or do you really think that Snowden refused refuge in Russia because of his dislike of the cold climate?
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 3 July 2013 12: 38 New
        +3
        Quote: Lech from ZATULINKI
        Well, everything is simple - PUTIN (FORMER KGB OFFICER) believes

        How do you know what Putin believes? Putin will make the decision himself, regardless of the desire of amers. Just Snowden confronted the fact that in the hype he will not make money with us. Snowden refused, but he has nowhere to go
        1. Lech from ZATULINKI
          Lech from ZATULINKI 3 July 2013 12: 46 New
          +1
          And I don’t want to know what PUTIN thinks; I need to help HIM AND ALL.
          This man of RUSSIA did no harm, because of his views on the actions of US intelligence, he should not suffer, at least in RUSSIA.
          1. Canep
            Canep 3 July 2013 12: 54 New
            +1
            By the fact that he will remain in Russia and will lay out the US secret documents for all to see, he can do harm to Russia, but what exactly will be of little use to Russia. Putin said this "It's like cutting a piglet (read Snowden), a lot of screeching (secret documents), and a little wool (a little sense, everyone has long been aware of this)."
            PS Damn, the Internet does not work with us during a thunderstorm.
            1. Lech from ZATULINKI
              Lech from ZATULINKI 3 July 2013 13: 13 New
              +1
              Well, giving to the reprisal of Snowden in the USA is also not good.
              1. Canep
                Canep 3 July 2013 13: 46 New
                +1
                And no one gives it up.
        2. Papakiko
          Papakiko 3 July 2013 13: 25 New
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          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Snowden refused, but he has nowhere to go

          And what happened to the morales plane in the sky geyropov, where did he fly from somewhere?
          Enlighten please.
          1. Canep
            Canep 3 July 2013 14: 51 New
            0
            From Moscow home.
    2. orff
      orff 3 July 2013 11: 57 New
      +5
      everything is perfectly clear: this is a multi-way. Putin is well aware that Snowden’s image is an anti-Amerian mouthpiece, otherwise it’s a dummy.
      On the one hand, the GDP does not want to aggravate the confrontation with mattresses, and on the other: hairpins towards amers are a favorite topic of GDP. And there will be new tools with which Putin will spread the G7. So everything is going according to plan! So we are waiting for Snowden to Venezuela and listen to the NSA news from there.
      Ordinary Americans are already beginning to love Putin. And what could be worse than the support of "geopolitical enemies" by the population?
      http://oko-planet.su/politik/newsday/197200-reakciya-prostyh-amerikancev-v-svyaz

      is-podpisaniem-putinym-zakona-o-zaprete-propagandy-pederastii.html
    3. cpk72
      cpk72 4 July 2013 00: 47 New
      0
      We greedily breathe when there is not enough air, we greedily believe when there is not enough truth. We trust Snowden, Assange and Manning and are ready to carry them in our arms for having been hit by an epidemic of heroism and honesty. But, alas, we were struck by the epidemic of faith.
      http://telegrafist.org/2013/07/03/69666/
  9. Sergey21
    Sergey21 3 July 2013 12: 05 New
    0
    Send them to H.E.R. with their disarmament! What rotten American Americans are these!
  10. Wedmak
    Wedmak 3 July 2013 12: 07 New
    +2
    Americans do not abandon attempts to "consolidate the Syrian opposition on the platform of the Geneva communiqué."

    Does the Syrian opposition know so many clever words?
    scandal surrounding ex-CIA officer Edward Snowden. For American journalists, this was the main topic.

    USA in a panic! Just like honey, this Snowden is smeared with it.
    This, in essence, means that Moscow has rejected the proposal of Barack Obama.

    In fact, Moscow sent Washington once again. And rightly so! This can not but rejoice.
  11. buzuke
    buzuke 3 July 2013 12: 30 New
    0
    To the above disagreements, one more thing was added - regarding the recent initiative of Barack Obama to increase the level of trust between the USA and the Russian Federation by radically reducing the nuclear arsenals of the two countries

    funny peasant children! you might think the level of trust depends on it
  12. individual
    individual 3 July 2013 13: 06 New
    0
    The international conference on Syria - "Geneva-2" was designated by "friends" for the massive arming of bandits under the guise of the protocol of the decisions of this conference.
    The successes of Russian diplomacy, backed up by the successes of the Syrian government army, have nullified the undercover intrigues of the West.
    Now the West, the Saudis, Turks and other Qatari people are forced to supply militants with weapons from under the floor.
  13. PValery53
    PValery53 3 July 2013 13: 40 New
    0
    If the Americans in Syria climb on the rampage, you have to hammer them. Their "no-fly" zone. Retaliatory attacks on the places of basing of their means of attack. "Show on the ground" their massive attack from the sky. “In the case of what,” it will be hot. Our advisers must work their bread.
  14. duchy
    duchy 3 July 2013 13: 43 New
    0
    Hello everyone! According to Geneva-2, it was clear from the very beginning - a dummy. About Snow - a new stage has begun, it will certainly be covered up, it’s much more profitable to have a "bosom", which will be used to keep Snowden’s materials on a leash, you’ll say that there’s news to you, it’s unlikely that anyone will give him shelter, everything will be quiet and peaceful, and the question for everyone is - where is he? request
  15. Russ69
    Russ69 3 July 2013 14: 10 New
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    Quote: duche
    Hello everyone! According to Geneva-2, it was clear from the very beginning - a dummy

    She would have a place to be, but if Assad lost. And while he is pushing, it is not profitable for our "partners" to agree.
  16. serge-68-68
    serge-68-68 3 July 2013 17: 21 New
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    And when they begin to “crush” him, they won’t even agree with us. Now they will throw up arms to the rebels, and will train Assad to use the pipe. And at the same time, Russia will be shown the place. The direct support will be Qatar and Saudi Arabia, France and England will loom behind them, and the USA behind all of them.
    The conflict is prolonged - the Yankees benefit from a war within the Islamic world that weakens everyone, Russia benefits from a war - oil prices will hold. I suppose that in all these “springs” not only the Yankees participated, but also the Russians - it would be completely bad for our economy without expensive oil.
  17. Thirsty for wind
    Thirsty for wind 3 July 2013 20: 16 New
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    AMERICAN SHOCK!
    They used to fools to drive by the nose.
    That's why everything looks so pathetic.