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Cinema and Funeral: How Americans Denated Germany

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Cinema and Funeral: How Americans Denated Germany

After the defeat of Nazi Germany, the American occupation authorities for 10 years carried out denazification. In addition to ships, executions, lustration, the United States beat out totalitarianism from the Germans by violently showing a movie about the horrors of Nazism, as well as the work of gravediggers. It was impossible to refuse.


The USA and the USSR were consistent supporters of the harshest treatment of the defeated Germans. On the contrary, England and France first opposed the excessive punishment of Germany. So, declassified less than a year ago, the British archives showed that at the end of World War II, Churchill and his government objected to the creation of the International Military Tribunal, because, in their opinion, in this case, some Nazi leaders needed to be executed, and others - sent to prison without trial.

As stated in the records, Churchill put forward this proposal at the Yalta Conference held in February 1945, but he was rejected by Franklin Roosevelt, who believed that the American public would insist on litigations, and Joseph Stalin, who believed that public trials could be excellent tool propaganda.

Ultimately, the British agreed to war crimes trials, despite the fears of some high-ranking British government officials who believed that the decision to judge the surviving Nazi leaders for unleashing an aggressive war could be a dangerous precedent. They also feared that these courts would be similar to resonant demonstration lawsuits in Stalinist Russia.

However, the British had to give up the allies, and also take up the denazification of Germany. Already in the first days after the surrender, those who occupied party posts were arrested and sent to strictly isolated camps, starting from the head of the department, cadres of the SS, Gestapo, SD and assault detachments, regardless of their position, the heads of the Nazi organizations such security guards of concentration camps, etc. — the detailed list of posts contained a manual with the notable name “Automatic Arrest”. Their total number in the English occupation zone was about 90 thousand people, in the American one - over 100 thousand, in the Soviet 120 thousand.


After initial approval, the population was growing dissatisfied with the denazification practice in general, and in particular with the questionnaire consisting of the 131 question that every working German was supposed to fill out. Although the British and French acted not too strictly, but in their zones this procedure was delayed.

A grocery card was issued only upon presentation of a receipt confirming the delivery of the questionnaire to the town hall (which emphasized the "Law ..." in the fourth article titled: "The receipt of the questionnaire is an important document"). Also, living in a settlement and employment in an institution or in a private enterprise (and following the admission of continuing work until the moment of dismissal) required the presence of the mentioned receipt.

In the case of illegal residence, the apartment’s deliverer was subject to serious sanctions. Specially stipulated punishments with imprisonment or a fine for false data in the questionnaire and evasion of registration.

In the American zone, where the most stringent approaches to cleaning were taken, 3,5 million cases were considered and found: 1654; guilty - 22122; slightly guilty - 106422; fellow travelers - 485057; innocent - 18454; under amnesty - 2789196. The first two categories were sent to prison, 3-i and 4-i were sentenced to correctional labor.

But those who escaped prosecution had to forcibly "denazifitsirovatsya." Re-education began in some cities and villages with shock therapy, the effectiveness of which, however, was considered dubious: the population was forced to inspect a concentration camp in their area, showed “voluntarily-forced” viewers a documentary about the death-camps destruction camps. Political analyst K. Vasmund wrote: “Denacification and re-education, according to the original plans of the Allies, have the same close mutual relationship as the piston and cylinder of a car ... the Germans, through the press, radio, movies. "


Immediately after the arrival of the troops of the victorious countries, all newspapers and radio stations, with the exception of allied military ones, were banned, schools and higher educational institutions were closed. The first American newspapers for the Germans were issued by the army department of psychological warfare; it was planned to keep in their hands the publication of newspapers until politically pure conscientious German publicists were found.

Screening of films was not just like that. For example, in the Soviet and American zones of occupation, the administration issued ration cards for products only to those who had a mark about watching a movie. In cinemas put such marks.

The three photos above show how watching films about the horrors of the Nazis made by allied propagandists.

Propagandists sometimes did not even disdain fakes. An example of such a fake was described in the English Catholic Herald (Catholic Herald) of 29 in October 1948.

It said that in the city of Kassel, where every adult German was forced to watch a film about the “horrors of Buchenwald,” a doctor from Göttingen saw himself on the screen, although he had never been to Buchenwald. It turned out that this was a film shot after the bombing of Dresden on February 13, 1945, where this doctor was then located. After that raid by the Anglo-American aviation 130 thousand people died, most of them women and children, refugees from the eastern regions. For several weeks after this, the bodies of the dead were burned in piles. These scenes were filmed by German military cameramen, then the tapes fell into the hands of the allied propagandists and they put them into action. But the winners were sure that even fakes go for the good of the vanquished, knocking out “Nazi nonsense” from those.

Another punishment was the burial by civilians of those who died in concentration camps. The allies took “ordinary Germans” to mass grave sites, and they dug corpses from common graves all day long to bring them to the ground humanly (the allies also needed this work to systematize the victims of Nazism). It was believed that for women through such work, “denazification” should have at least 5 working days, for men - 10. The most poisoned by Hitler's propaganda could work on the reburial of a month or two. Below in the photo you can see how this process went:











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  1. xorgi
    xorgi 6 July 2013 08: 13 New
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    It seems that the author believes that this is all bad. The Germans in the occupied territories did more terrible things. And EVERYTHING was guilty: some criminals themselves, others their silent accomplices. By the way, the author himself indicates that similar educational work was carried out in the Soviet zone of responsibility, and the differences were not big. More interesting was an article about the relations of the rank and file of the army of both the Soviet and the rest.
    1. zennon
      zennon 6 July 2013 11: 59 New
      -30
      The Germans in the occupied territories did more terrible things.

      Do you know what the Germans did? The last 20 years it turns out that the attributed to them were done by Ukrainians, Lithuanians, Estonians, Latvians, Hungarians, Romanians, etc. In particular, the Ukrainians burned the notorious Khatyn. This is proved. There are facts about the Germans shooting Romanians for mischief in the Odessa region. Regarding the rules of war for the Germans. There is a document such as "Zehn Gebote für die Kriegsführung des deutschen Soldaten" ("10 instructions on how to conduct a war by a German soldier"). Check it out.
      http://s-mahat.ru/cgi-bin/index.cgi?cont=219
      Unfortunately GUPP RKKA published fakes like "Memo to a German soldier." I propose to google it yourself.
      1. huut
        huut 6 July 2013 12: 35 New
        15
        Quote: zennon
        Do you know what the Germans did? In recent years, 20 has been revealed

        After 20 years, children like you will be sure that the Germans were enslaved by Stalin and before the arrival of Gorbachev suffered undeservedly. The same Stalin buried 20 millions of his citizens, not Germans. Also, the Soviet Union forced America to impose democracy by military methods around the world.
        And of course, some pieces of paper and documents certified by "authoritative" people will be attached to this.

        But what about the document, which calls not to punish German soldiers for committing war crimes? Not only does this combine with "fights knightly."
        Or does this apply in European wars, and the Slavs slaves and no knight’s framework apply to them?
        I, too, ambitious, dug up some petty rubbish and forgot more.
        1. zennon
          zennon 6 July 2013 14: 25 New
          -12
          After another 20 years, children like you will be sure

          If you want to discuss it, contact me at “You.” What do you know about me and my beliefs? The difference between us is that you give you convenient estimates without bothering with analysis. And I look for facts, letting people draw conclusions themselves. If you don’t able to understand this, then communicate with you a lot of honor.
          But what about the document, which calls not to punish German soldiers for committing war crimes?

          Translate the document. Not the mockery of the GUPP RKKA, but a document.
          1. Yegorchik
            Yegorchik 6 July 2013 16: 14 New
            +9
            Here is an excerpt from the book "Soldaten", the book is written from the words of the prisoners of war camps "Hunt Hunt" and "Trent Park" there seems to be no Russian translation of the entire book.
            MUELLER: There were partisans in one village in Russia. It is clear that the village must be razed to the ground, without regard to losses. We had this ... Brozike from Berlin, he took everyone he saw in the village behind the house and shot him in the back of the head. But the guy was then twenty or even nineteen and a half. It was said: to shoot every tenth. “And that every tenth is clear,” the guys said, “the whole village needs to be cleaned up.” We filled the beer bottles with gasoline, put them on the table, and, leaving, sort of casually threw hand grenades behind us. Everything immediately went up to the ceiling - thatched roofs. Women, children, all were shot, partisans among them were few. In such cases, I did not shoot if I was not sure that these were really partisans. But there were many guys who enjoyed it a lot.
            1. Day 11
              Day 11 6 July 2013 16: 21 New
              +8
              Yes, no one argues with this! UBL.YU.Dki is in ANY people.
            2. zennon
              zennon 6 July 2013 17: 06 New
              -13
              Here is an excerpt from the book "Soldaten" the book is written from the words of prisoners of war camps "Fort Hunt" and "Trent Park"

              Here is a link to a book by I. Hoffman. "Stalin's war of extermination 1941-1945"
              http://vserusskie.com/blog/user/view/?id=024dace35e12409886ad89a01d0aeac2

              I am very, very sorry. Personally, I find it hard to read, but you forced me to give this link ...
          2. Cheloveck
            Cheloveck 6 July 2013 17: 45 New
            +8
            Quote: zennon
            The difference between us is that you give the estimates that are convenient for you without bothering with the analysis. And I am looking for facts, allowing people to draw conclusions themselves

            You know, documents are a good thing, especially since it is not a problem to concoct a believable document and put it on the Internet, until it even comes to someone that there is a fake and that is the truth.
            Moreover, the "enlightened Western civilization" is actively rewriting history in its favor, reducing the Soviet Union to the level of barbarians.
            I personally will not be able to rub anyone in the tale of the "humanism" of the Germans, with too many who survived the occupation, captivity, concentration camps, forced labor in Germany, I communicated in my life.
            I have a lot more trust in them.
            1. Day 11
              Day 11 6 July 2013 17: 56 New
              +4
              Lord, is anyone here talking about the German humanism? War is a thing far from humanity! It’s just that they (Germans) cannot be all under one "comb." And a German military doctor who saved the life of our downed and wounded pilot and put him in I’ll remove one ward with the wounded Germans. Do you know? By the way, I can bring his story, although why bring it, read A. Drabkin. I wrote and thought, maybe this case is a manifestation of humanism? Question
            2. zennon
              zennon 6 July 2013 18: 04 New
              -3
              Moreover, the "enlightened Western civilization" is actively rewriting history in its favor, reducing the Soviet Union to the level of barbarians.

              That’s exactly what I’m trying to convey. It’s also a lie! Churchill declared: “Our descendants, like us, unwaveringly recognize the decisive role of the Red Army in defeating fascism.” Well, where is it? However, you easily recognize this fact, and many Germans were normal people and often with a risk to their life they went against sistemy-no! Understand, I'm looking for the truth!
              1. stalkerwalker
                stalkerwalker 7 July 2013 02: 46 New
                +7
                Quote: zennon
                Understand - I'm looking for the truth!


                Your goal is noble
                search methods are naive and ungrateful to the people who lost a gigantic part of their gene pool in that terrible war of extermination. This follows from all the actions of the Wehrmacht and the SS on the territory of the USSR. To do this, it is not necessary to study a lot and tedious history from dubious links of dubious authors.
                1. zennon
                  zennon 7 July 2013 19: 27 New
                  +1
                  To do this, it is not necessary to study a lot and tedious history from dubious links of dubious authors.

                  But I’ve been living all my life. From various sources, believe me ... In the Saratov village I was a boy of about 14 years old, talking with an old neighbor. He was a real hero, burned 6 times in a tank! So he dropped it somehow. " was. The soldier for the attack in the asshole, and the woman for the piz.u-red star! "You just think, how much is behind it!
                  1. stalkerwalker
                    stalkerwalker 7 July 2013 19: 35 New
                    +4
                    Quote: zennon
                    Just think, how much is behind it!

                    There is no justice in the world ...
                    There is no place under the sun for all afflicted.
                    Otherwise, it would be a different world.
              2. sanych your division
                sanych your division 8 July 2013 00: 47 New
                -2
                the truth ?! Do you know where she is? in the eyes of the prisoners of the concentration camps of the surviving residents of Belarus and Leningrad in the inscriptions on the Reichstag in the villages burned down with the inhabitants ... look there for our tireless you! here it is TRUE!
          3. huut
            huut 10 July 2013 18: 54 New
            -1
            Quote: zennon
            The difference between us is that you give you convenient estimates without bothering with analysis.

            The topic is somewhat gone, but still I’ll add:
            "4 March 1941 year, the Fuhrer declared: - The war against Russia cannot be waged chivalrously. It is a struggle of ideologies and different races and it must be waged with unprecedented, ruthless and indomitable cruelty. All officers must abandon outdated views, German soldiers guilty of violating international rights will not be punished. " D.F. "World War II. Day after day." 21 series, with 15 minutes. "

            This is what Hitler said, not Soviet propaganda. So all your pathos about analysis and honor is nothing more than pathos. Cool fact I found for you?) Probably Hitler was not in the know for this piece of paper. You can give this fact to people so that they themselves can draw conclusions.
            1. zennon
              zennon 12 July 2013 20: 47 New
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              Once again I warn you, contact me at you! I don’t pass the pigs with you! Now without much hope, but still ... The film is not a “document”! At least call it documentary three times! The so-called quotation you cited is pulled from the testimony of F. Halder at the Nuremberg Trials on November 22, 1945. These are his inventions to whitewash himself, to show that he is a pawn in the hands of the Fuhrer. So:
              This is what Hitler said, not Soviet propaganda.

              Lies! Here are Hitler's documentary speeches.
              http://www.tyrant.ru/speeches/speeches.php
              Refer to the source or do not meddle in the discussion.
      2. xorgi
        xorgi 6 July 2013 14: 10 New
        +9
        Of course, of course, but the Germans, white and fluffy, carried the light of truth in the USSR ...
        History needs to be learned not from Google links, but from serious books and stories of event participants.
        1. zennon
          zennon 6 July 2013 14: 36 New
          -3
          Of course, of course, but the Germans, white and fluffy, carried the light of truth in the USSR ...

          No, they’re not white and not fluffy. So the question is not worth it. But I won’t just be wrong in front of you. I’m looking for truth, not whitewashing anyone, and not slander.
          1. Day 11
            Day 11 6 July 2013 14: 53 New
            0
            I read your posts, I would argue in some ways, but on the whole I agree with you in many respects. Only people on this forum generally do not like the truth (to be afraid?). Therefore, such negativity
            1. zennon
              zennon 6 July 2013 15: 30 New
              -1
              I read your posts, in some way I would argue

              Here! This is a constructive approach! YOU, but I can explain it to you. Both of my grandfathers fought at me. Fortunately, both survived, the truth was redrawn. I keep a military ticket. It is dated June 24, 1941! My old aunt got under Leningrad they bombed the Germans under the railway and they didn’t have time to get out. She got to the manor near Königsberg and worked for the Germans all the war. For all her life she did not say a single bad word about the Germans ... She told me quite a bit. My father was with her boy. He somehow wounded his leg there. She wore it in dressings. He was treated. Stories ala, crossed the railway track and the old German driver asked her “Als der junge?” And then looking around I got a candy ... He wouldn’t have been praised if he had seen such an attitude towards the laborer! I specifically studied the issue of crimes and abuse of authority in that war. Unfortunately I was convinced that they had a place to be and unfortunately on both sides ... People remained people! Ordinary people. They asked the Germans as expected. But unfortunately they hung all the dogs. Comfortable!
              1. Day 11
                Day 11 6 July 2013 15: 49 New
                +1
                I also do not want to “whitewash” the Nazis in any way! But at least I should try to figure out the atrocities of the “GERMANS”. Here, please, - The punishment of Soviet underground workers in Minsk. This is the first public execution in the occupied territories on that day in Minsk on the arch 12 Soviet underground workers who helped the wounded Red Army soldiers escape from captivity hanged a yeast factory. In the photo - the moment of preparation for hanging 17-year-old Maria Bruskina. Maria, until the last minute of her life, tried to turn her back on the German photographer.

                The execution was carried out by volunteers of the 2nd battalion of the police support service from Lithuania, commanded by Major Impulavičius.
                1. Day 11
                  Day 11 6 July 2013 15: 54 New
                  +1
                  These same "Germans" (Lithuanians) lead to the execution of these underground
                  1. nnz226
                    nnz226 7 July 2013 00: 19 New
                    +6
                    But these "goofy" are also from any full-time Limitrophs, or purebred Aryans? This is about the “humanism” of individual soldiers: they are responsible for “obeying orders”: shelling Leningrad and blocking that blockade, which women and children of refugees were shot from the Junkers, etc. etc. He put on the uniform of the Wehrmacht - guilty with everyone together for the atrocities committed.
                    1. stalkerwalker
                      stalkerwalker 7 July 2013 02: 52 New
                      +5
                      Quote: nnz226
                      He put on the uniform of the Wehrmacht - guilty with everyone together for the atrocities committed.

                      Add.
                      In relation to prisoners of war for women combatants of the Red Army, a special order was in effect - to execute without delay. Only before the execution, did these very unfortunate women and girls, wearing the form of the Red Army, had to endure such that death was the best way out.
                      Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya is a good example, like this, a hanged girl in uniform who, after execution, put a hat on her head.
                      1. Selevc
                        Selevc 7 July 2013 10: 29 New
                        +4
                        Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya is just one striking example ... But who now knows how many such heroines were? These are war stories - scary and heroic at the same time ...
                        Why, for example, do the French have their own Orleans maiden - a symbol of the patriots of France, and we still dare to take into account the feat of Zoe and other girls executed by the Nazis dubious ???

                        But there would be no such - there would be no great Victory !!! Separate Eternal memory to women who gave their lives for the liberation of the Motherland !!!

                        More often this would be shown to the Pepsi generation so that they knew thanks to whom they now live !!!
                    2. Day 11
                      Day 11 7 July 2013 16: 37 New
                      +1
                      A link to the photo kint (you can in PM) -when, when and the maximum information. You can find the unit and the commander! Honestly, there are big doubts that this is the Wehrmacht!
                      1. hamster67
                        hamster67 29 July 2013 23: 41 New
                        0
                        You are right, it’s a bit unclear with this photo.
                        Sincerely.
                    3. Selevc
                      Selevc 7 July 2013 19: 34 New
                      +2
                      Maria Bruskina - you need to remember !!! Nowadays, it is unlikely that anyone will be able to repeat the feat of a girl who was only 17 years old !!! So it is necessary to erect monuments, but hardly anyone knows in Belarus its feat !!!
                      1. Day 11
                        Day 11 7 July 2013 19: 41 New
                        +1
                        Comrade, as far as I know in Israel, a monument was erected to her.
              2. Day 11
                Day 11 6 July 2013 16: 14 New
                -1
                For ZENNON Look, some kind of "very smart" decided to make a difference between us. I did not put you a minus (on the contrary, plus, I think the same way)
                1. zennon
                  zennon 6 July 2013 17: 21 New
                  -1
                  Quote: Den 11
                  For ZENNON Look, some kind of "very smart" decided to make a difference between us. I did not put you a minus (on the contrary, plus, I think the same way)

                  It’s hard ... Many think stereotypically, perceive it as an enemy. And you won’t reach it! I want to explain that the dashing of newspaper bribe-tellers and bureaucrats from the GUPP RKKA who were not sitting in the trenches have nothing to do with the feat of soldiers who forged victory! That truth is bitter! In the German forum, I met the memories of already gray-haired people. They gratefully recall our soldiers who fed their boys then. It's also true! But negative statements about this are not uncommon. It’s hard ...
                  1. Day 11
                    Day 11 6 July 2013 17: 35 New
                    0
                    Unfortunately, this is so. If you argue, what age contingent "rubs" on this site? From 30 and above. For those who are "higher" NEVER explain! Too hard the one-sided truth has been rubbed for decades!
                    1. smart ass
                      smart ass 8 July 2013 07: 42 New
                      +1
                      I agree with you that the history of the Second World War was taught according to Soviet textbooks.
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              4. Vbuben2raza
                Vbuben2raza 7 July 2013 10: 39 New
                +8
                Well, you have to give me a sweetie ... Man ... And now all the millions of people killed do not count?
                1. zennon
                  zennon 7 July 2013 18: 33 New
                  -1
                  And all the millions killed are now countless?

                  Are you trying to put the scales in one store, on the other, like a store ... I’m never tired of declaring it again and again! No excuses for the criminals! Is the German people generally guilty? Yes, guilty. He is responsible, among other things, for the authority he elected. At the same time, you can hang on him all the scum of the collaborators, those who sought their own benefit in the war, but just sadists, no, it’s impossible! By the way, something similar was said by Stalin.
          2. SPAAARTAAA
            SPAAARTAAA 6 July 2013 14: 58 New
            0
            shitty you have some kind of truth turns out, one-sided ...
            1. Day 11
              Day 11 6 July 2013 15: 15 New
              +1
              The truth can’t be “bad” or good. It’s what it is. And what is it wrong with? In fact, the personnel of the Einsatz groups consisted mainly of collaborators (only Hans commanded them)? Do you want to argue?
              1. mark7
                mark7 7 July 2013 20: 35 New
                +1
                Dear Den, the whole debate here is that zennon tried to equalize both ours and yours, they say, everyone is equally guilty of cruelty, and here the people are mostly adequate
                1. Day 11
                  Day 11 7 July 2013 20: 56 New
                  +1
                  Oleg, my friend, for me the fascists are just as inhuman as they are for you (sorry for the cronyism). But not all Germans were fascists! By the way, the definition of fascists is for pasta! And these were National Socialists, but that’s not the point. What could be a fascist from my 16-year-old grandfather at that time? He lived in the village, was in the Hitler Youth, without that at that time (It’s like our pioneer and the Komsomol). Of course, by that time he had his brain washed. Defended Berlin (well, at least not killed).
                  1. Kars
                    Kars 7 July 2013 21: 25 New
                    +6
                    Quote: Den 11
                    it’s not the essence. What kind of fascist can I have from my grandfather, who was 16 at that time? He lived in the village, was in the Hitler Youth, without that at that time

                    And? After realizing this, it is necessary not to crush him with the tank when he and the Faustpatron jump out?
                    You look here hit into a meaningless palette --- this is WAR. And woe to the vanquished, there is nothing to justify here. It is enough to look at the speeches of Hitler and people in .. inspirational .. crowds. Especially when they rejoiced at the successes of the Wehrmacht that were at the initial stage. of the Germans was upset in July 1941 listening to the list of captured Soviet cities on the radio. Therefore, they should bow at the feet that they didn’t kill them at the end. At the end of the war, one of the greatest pleasures of the grandfather who served as the recharger of the ISU-122 was to beg the gunner to shoot on fanzami OFsom.
                    1. Day 11
                      Day 11 7 July 2013 21: 38 New
                      +1
                      And why is this? What did you want to say by this? Who should bow to the feet and, most importantly, to whom? I, whose grandfather is an order bearer, who volunteered in July 1941 and left his health on the Volkhov Front? Or I, whose grandfather fought only 2 months (as far as I know) and was also a patriot of his homeland?
                      1. Kars
                        Kars 7 July 2013 21: 55 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Den 11
                        And why is it

                        To everything, especially against the background of the bias of your comments, that you’re poorly respecting the campaign of the order-bearer’s grandfather.
                        Quote: Den 11
                        Or I, whose grandfather fought for only 2 months (as far as I know) and was also a patriot of my homeland?

                        Personally, you can bow in half.
                        Quote: Den 11
                        What do you mean?
                        What I wrote, I wanted to say. There is nothing to do here from the Fritz of poor lambs
                        Quote: Den 11
                        who volunteered in July 1941 and left his health on the Volkhov front?

                        my paternal grandfather fought with the Finnish, in 1941 ended up in the Uman pit - do you know what it is? He ran, went through checks and went to Koenigsberg. He now has to get the clip of Ramstein - Khan on television.
                      2. Day 11
                        Day 11 7 July 2013 22: 31 New
                        0
                        I personally began to tell YOU, and then he spat on this matter. Before whom should I make excuses? I know that you think bad words about my grandmother, that’s it, I can stop it right away. They loved each other, it's me I know for sure! If it’s interesting, I’ll tell you my story in PM. And let every stalkerwalker go through the forest.
                      3. Kars
                        Kars 7 July 2013 22: 35 New
                        +3
                        Quote: Den 11
                        To whom should I make excuses?

                        no one expects any excuses from you in principle. according to the profile picture, in principle, everything is visible (yes this is a transition to personalities - my first trolling experience was on a user with the nickname Hartmann)))
                        Quote: Den 11
                        Nayu, what about my grandmother think

                        Honestly before you mention it, I didn’t even think.
                        Quote: Den 11
                        If interested, in a personal tell your story

                        no offense, but not particularly interesting.
                      4. Day 11
                        Day 11 7 July 2013 23: 28 New
                        0
                        "my first trolling experience was with a user with the nickname Hartmann)))" --- I hope you are this suk all laid out what you think about him?
                    2. stalkerwalker
                      stalkerwalker 7 July 2013 22: 44 New
                      +3
                      Quote: Den 11
                      And let every stalkerwalker go through the forest.

                      And I love you... laughing
                    3. Day 11
                      Day 11 7 July 2013 22: 49 New
                      0
                      I understand that now it is fashionable, but I love busty and assy girls!
          3. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 7 July 2013 21: 52 New
            +4
            Quote: Den 11
            Defended Berlin (well, at least not killed).

            It was lucky that I didn’t run into my father - we wouldn’t have, then, posts here.
            And there would be crosses on the graveyard ...
            1. Day 11
              Day 11 7 July 2013 22: 39 New
              +1
              And if I had run into my grandfather? Similarly. What kind of kindergarten? Why, yes, maybe? You’re a snotty kid, then you’ll go to another site
  2. Yegorchik
    Yegorchik 6 July 2013 16: 27 New
    +3
    Seeker of truth, he wanted to hold out until the next banning, but he couldn’t succeed with such goats. In the village where my sister lives, there is a grandmother, she is the only survivor from the neighboring village who was completely burned by VERMAHTA soldiers during the war, she ran away into the forest as a child and therefore survived. There were no other parts except the Wehrmacht, the locals know this very well. And YOU a true lover, turn your truth with a pipe and put it wherever you know.
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 6 July 2013 16: 40 New
      0
      No, I love women! And you go on and on stuffing yourself all kinds of tubes.
      1. Yegorchik
        Yegorchik 6 July 2013 17: 29 New
        -2
        I didn’t advise you to Zeno and to me what you love on the drum.
        1. zennon
          zennon 6 July 2013 17: 39 New
          -2
          Quote: Egorchik
          I didn’t advise you to Zeno and to me what you love on the drum.

          Well then from me:
          No, I love women! And you go on and on stuffing yourself all kinds of tubes.
          1. Yegorchik
            Yegorchik 6 July 2013 17: 47 New
            +1
            I mean, in your bosom. What do you perverts think about? And where are the women?
            1. zennon
              zennon 6 July 2013 18: 08 New
              0
              Quote: Egorchik
              I mean, in your bosom. What do you perverts think about? And where are the women?

              Yes ....... you will not understand
              1. Akhtuba73
                Akhtuba73 6 July 2013 21: 17 New
                +2
                Met two loneliness. We decided to make a little "truth" ... "not all Germans are bad." Yes, I agree, but after all, not everyone was shot down ... and there were not a few "bad" ones who died by their death. That's a shame for that. And you continue to study history, looking for grains of "humanism" of the Germans. This is interesting, but no more.
              2. zennon
                zennon 6 July 2013 21: 33 New
                0
                but after all, not everyone was attached ...

                there was a brave veteran in the suburbs. The society’s chairman. Suddenly it turned out to be a lackey fascist. He surrendered. He was a policeman. After the war he got 10 years on his bunk. He served time. He organized veteran crusts for himself, bought orders at the bazaar. He told the kids September 80, on the day of manhood, what kind of hero is he. I got a car, an apartment. I didn’t live. I started writing memoirs. And he was exposed there. It's a shame ... Is it interesting?
    2. German
      German 7 July 2013 07: 05 New
      +2
      set a plus for a worthy answer! And about the fact that not all Germans agreed with the bastards: my father and his sister and two brothers (those who survived the war) from the Naro-Fominsk district did not die of starvation thanks to the German officer: seeing that in a hut, a bunch of children made the soldier drag two bags of potatoes and a bag of sugar. Thanks to this officer, they survived the winter of 41-42. And when the Germans drove my invalid's grandfather away from Moscow from 18 (without a leg) the NKVD kept him in prison for a month even though he was in partisans! sew on "cooperation" And now how do I think about emtse?
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 7 July 2013 11: 01 New
        +3
        Quote: German
        And now how do I think about that German?

        Every rule has exceptions.
        I, too, can talk about what my mother survived in the occupied village of Oryol ... But does it make sense to "butt"?
        The atrocities of the Nazis and their accomplices (of all stripes and nationalities) in the occupied territories, starting with the FIRST DAYS of the WAR, have been said and repeated more than once or more than a dozen years.
        Why "break the spears in vain"?
        1. zennon
          zennon 7 July 2013 18: 17 New
          0
          Every rule has exceptions.

          Here! I won’t seek out any rules or exceptions. I’m looking for people, people in the war. What do you think I'm trying to justify the Germans? Yes, not my God! I’m categorically against all dogs hanging on them! I repeat, they asked the Germans, and as expected! But then they began to hang everything on them, even what they were not part of ...
          1. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 7 July 2013 18: 49 New
            +5
            Quote: zennon
            But then they began to hang everything on them, even what they were not part of ...

            And the truth is ...
            “Feats” in the occupied territories of Magyars, dates, Romanians and other fascist scum, who voluntarily joined the victorious procession of the Wehrmacht on Soviet soil, have not been publicized for a long time (as, incidentally, the facts of violence by Amers, French women and Germans are civilized gentlemen, mother them so!), trying not to aggravate relations with the new "allies" in the social camp.
            And these crippled and cherished allies, in 1956, set up a "blood bath" in Budapest.
            Today, when the results, course and causes of the Great Patriotic and World War II are revised again, all “heroes by name” should be called.
            1. Day 11
              Day 11 7 July 2013 18: 59 New
              +2
              Comrade, you are mistaken - the “exploits” of the Magyars, Finns and Romanians have never been hushed up! These have been bought off (someone by territory, and someone by gold). Another thing is the UNA and the “green brothers.” These were a hidden and very dangerous enemy!
            2. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker 7 July 2013 19: 06 New
              +6
              Quote: Den 11
              Comrade, you are mistaken - the “exploits” of the Magyars, Finns and Romanians have never been hushed up!

              No.
              I'm right.
              In not a single book (memoirs) about the Great Patriotic War that passed the censorship of Glavlit, you will not find references in the spirit that even seasoned SS-tsevs were shaking from what the Hungarians and Croats were doing to the prisoners ...
  • Vbuben2raza
    Vbuben2raza 7 July 2013 10: 35 New
    +1
    What is the truth? Is that among the thousands of killers, beasts of unscrupulous and merciless one was human? What are you arguing about? May they be happy and grateful forever that they are alive, that they have not destroyed at the root ... I will not forget and I will not forgive !!!
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  • Revolver
    Revolver 7 July 2013 02: 22 New
    +2
    Quote: zennon
    Do you know what the Germans did?

    Perhaps the Wehrmacht at the beginning of the warriors did not commit atrocities, neither the reasons nor the mood. And then there were special forces. "Ainsatzgruppen" - have you heard of such? If not, google it.
    And when it began to bake, the Wehrmacht soldiers began to tear anger at those who came to hand, and those who were not involved in the distribution usually came across. People didn’t go to the partisans because the commissars drove at gunpoint, but from the fact that the Germans completely got it. Go to the corral if it’s far to the front and the German commandant’s office is around the corner.
    Less to you, big and fat.
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 7 July 2013 02: 59 New
      +6
      Quote: Nagan
      Perhaps the Wehrmacht at the beginning of the warriors did not commit atrocities, neither the reasons nor the mood

      Do not be so naive.
      On the eve of the invasion of the entire Wehrmacht’s military police, an ORDER was read about the behavior of the German Soldier in the USSR, which stated directly and definitely that NO SOLDIERS WON'T BE DISCARDED FOR CRIMES AGAINST CIVILIAN POPULATION. And then it was strictly stipulated that the captured Jews and communists (political workers) should be destroyed on the spot. And captured women military personnel should be executed immediately.
    2. zennon
      zennon 7 July 2013 18: 56 New
      +1
      Less to you, big and fat.

      Thank you. This is also the position. If I made me think again, I’m really a plus! Of course I’m up to date on the activities of Einsatzgruppen. And I, the grandson of two veterans, should not be convinced of hatred towards them. I’m trying to convey to you including: There is a monument in Treptow Park. Not to the avenger! A merciful soldier in a terrible war. There are figures who offer the whole people to admit that they have not been exterminated! In their opinion, Russian people should be like that. Young German soldier Josef Schulz, at 41 -m refused to take part in the execution of 16 civilians in Yugos Lavia. He stood next to the prisoners for refusing to obey the order. What should I do with him? Subkint minus.
      1. Day 11
        Day 11 7 July 2013 19: 05 New
        +1
        Wow! Everything is beating? There is nothing to prove to that generation! Maybe it’s not worth it? Again, nerves
        1. zennon
          zennon 7 July 2013 19: 15 New
          0
          Wow! Is everything banging?

          Water sharpens the stone! I calmly and consistently bring my position to an end. I’ve already demoted it, I removed the star from the pagon! Well, you have to suffer for beliefs. It’s easy to assent to everyone, collecting the pluses on the posts. But how is it in the great book “ashes Klaas beats in my heart. "He wrote and thought, because they don’t understand, they’ll say I regret any German ...
          1. Day 11
            Day 11 7 July 2013 19: 32 New
            +1
            Sorry, I don’t know what your name is, okay, I’m trying to prove something to people with one grandfather-Hans (Friedrich) and another grandfather-Soviet Communist --- But why do you need this, having TWO fought grandfathers as part of the Red Army, try something to prove that if a German who fought with the Soviets-insignificant that he is a Nazi?
            1. zennon
              zennon 7 July 2013 19: 50 New
              +2
              But why do you need this, having TWO fought grandfathers as part of the Red Army,

              But it’s precisely for the sake of their blessed memory !!! Not the avengers, not the rapists, not the new masters, but for the sake of the liberators! Like there: “And he called mercy to the fallen ...” In many historical works of our allies, their mother goes as a guide thought of a horde of rapists and robbers in bast shoes breaking into civilized Europe. My grandfathers weren’t like that! And I, their descendant, admit that they were fair with the defeated enemy, and did not hang all the dogs on him!
              1. Day 11
                Day 11 7 July 2013 19: 59 New
                +1
                If you are telling the truth and fighting for the truth --- then I will ALWAYS support you! Although I’m also spread rot on this topic. I’m just like you are ready to fight for the truth! The pun came out, well, I won’t alter it. Everyone understood
      2. mark7
        mark7 7 July 2013 20: 54 New
        0
        Quote: zennon
        He stood next to the prisoners for refusing to obey the order

        Well, what are you trying to explain that there were more? Or what?
    3. mark7
      mark7 7 July 2013 20: 44 New
      -1
      Quote: Nagan
      Less to you, big and fat.

      Join
  • Siberian German
    Siberian German 7 July 2013 11: 43 New
    +4
    I’m German, but I don’t feel sorry for those in the photo - which of them pitied my German ancestors from the Volga region, who were sent to the camps immediately after the war - my mother. What did they think that this was all for them a walk, like going to the gash on a glass of tea?
  • sanych your division
    sanych your division 8 July 2013 00: 42 New
    -2
    Wow! and how many Ukrainians Latvians Estonians were in the ranks of the Wehrmacht? 5-6 million? do not make me laugh! or do you think that these were selected animals who only did what they slaughtered civilians from morning to night? but the kind and sweet Germans themselves were horrified by the atrocities of the Slavs? do not write nonsense! I should be ashamed of such words!
  • politruk419
    politruk419 6 July 2013 08: 20 New
    +8
    Strange.
    But after reading this article, the first thought that arose in my head: "And how did you ... want?" That was exactly what was needed. Otherwise, in a country with brainwashed Goebbels and Hitler for twenty years, fascism would have revived in the next generation! "The Americans did everything right, and we were not shy. The result seems to be obvious. At least for 70 years - enough.
    PS
    In the photographs, the absence of cotton-gauze dressings and gloves from funeral teams is surprising. And even the Americans.
  • washi
    washi 6 July 2013 09: 17 New
    +8
    In some countries, it is time to re-denazify
  • Orik
    Orik 6 July 2013 09: 55 New
    +6
    As everything is not new under the moon. Since 1991, the same films about the horrors of the Stalinist camps, the seizure of the press, cinema, television, but they did not force us to dig up corpses. They are also trying to de-Russify us!
    I feel sorry for the Germans, despite all the horrors created by them, they received in full.
    1. Avenger711
      Avenger711 6 July 2013 17: 19 New
      0
      Well, it’s Khrushchev who started it, it would be strange if in the west you wouldn’t rub your hands on this, you can do anything with a country that considers itself guilty of something.
    2. Nayhas
      Nayhas 7 July 2013 22: 49 New
      -4
      Come on, I didn’t see the commies being taken to the same Kommunarka to dig up the corpses of those shot. The Communists escaped with a slight fright and again came to power with a different sauce and now, through people like you, trying to impose the opinion of the Russian people that they and the Communists are the same, that all the Russian people should be responsible for all the vile things done by these geeks. Fuck you, not a ride. The decommunization process began in 1991. don’t stop, and the time will come when the mummy of the main maniac will be burnt in the furnace and the ashes will be buried in a cesspool and the names of the executioners will disappear from the names of the streets.
  • GUSAR
    GUSAR 6 July 2013 10: 01 New
    +2
    But how could it be otherwise?
  • True
    True 6 July 2013 11: 43 New
    +1
    By the way, a similar one is now being conducted by Russian television in relation to the Soviet past. It is immediately clear who controls television.
  • KG_patriot_last
    KG_patriot_last 6 July 2013 12: 32 New
    -1
    Now almost all countries are denazified ...
  • omsbon
    omsbon 6 July 2013 13: 41 New
    +1
    Folk wisdom says "as he comes around, he will respond."
    No one, I hope, will argue that the Germans responded much more humane than they "wacked" on our land!
  • Day 11
    Day 11 6 July 2013 14: 23 New
    +4
    Although I’m partly German, I’ll probably agree, there was a need (the German people were imbued with Hitler’s ideas). I don’t want to talk about this anymore.
  • Mikhail
    Mikhail 6 July 2013 14: 45 New
    +2
    The United States itself brought Hitler to power, and then publicly resented his dѣyanіyam. Hypocrites.
    Denazification for the United States was only a means of eliminating a competitor in Europe - no more than that. They definitely did not give a damn about the slavs destroyed.
    1. Akhtuba73
      Akhtuba73 6 July 2013 21: 26 New
      +5
      Cool written with the words ... Nicholas II still used such a keyboard. Rarity.
      1. Mikhail
        Mikhail 6 July 2013 22: 37 New
        +1
        Nicholas II used the same orography as I did.

        As for the keyboard, I have it the most ordinary, the same as for you. I just installed a special program that allows you to insert the necessary characters through the right Alt.
        For the time being, one has to be satisfied with this and wait until the decree of Lunacharskago dated December 23, 1917 and the Russian spelling is again revived to return its natural appearance; then programmers remember the keyboard layout.

        Modern "spelling" greatly distorts the Russian language, about which many modern people are not aware (because they do not know the norm of pre-revolutionary spelling). The most banal example: if you write according to the orography adopted after 1917, it is impossible to distinguish the world from the world.

        We need to revive Russia in all its “post”, to cleanse it from all filth, including the number and language.
  • EGORKA
    EGORKA 6 July 2013 14: 56 New
    +1
    This is all sad, but the fact that the people of Germany were thus removed the “pink glasses” is justified, it is better to see once than hear a hundred times.
  • EGORKA
    EGORKA 6 July 2013 15: 03 New
    0
    This is all sad, but the fact that the people of Germany were thus removed the “pink glasses” is justified, it is better to see once than hear a hundred times.
    1. Mikhail
      Mikhail 6 July 2013 15: 22 New
      +2
      Who would take off the pink glasses for the British and Americans? Especially on the fact of their cooperation with the Third Raikhom.
      Rhetorical question ...
  • Uhe
    Uhe 6 July 2013 15: 33 New
    +5
    The author smacks of nonsense. It was the British who were ardent supporters of the deprivation of the Germans of their country, culture and even national identity. They wanted to completely destroy the German people, since they did not succeed in destroying the Russians, but the purpose of the clash between Germany and the USSR was precisely the destruction of the USSR and its state-forming people - the Russians, that is, the destruction of Russian civilization. But Stalin outwitted the allies and the USSR emerged from the war as a superpower. The Naglitschs decided to recoup on the Germans, by the way, already in the spring of the 45th, having developed plans for delivering nuclear strikes against the USSR (allied with the USA, of course, but the ringleaders were naglitsy, since Truman was an ardent Russophobe and anti-communist, unlike the more intelligent and pragmatic Roosevelt )

    Stalin did not allow to realize either plans to destroy German statehood and the German people, or plans to attack the USSR. You can read about everything calmly, see links to documents. The author in this matter frankly lies either out of ignorance, or simply bewits.

    Well, the measures taken by the USSR were quite justified, especially since strict decrees were issued prohibiting offending the population in the occupied territories, and vice versa - to feed and help. The Germans themselves began to help ours with joy when they realized that the Russian horns do not, but the Russians have food that they, by their natural kindness, are ready to give out to the starving and needy. The Germans organized themselves very quickly, and not from under a stick. The rest became a matter of technology - the formation of the government from loyal Germans, the establishment of the economy and so on.

    Do you know what the nicholans can do best? Lying and blaming others for their sins. The current Americans are even better at this than their teachers, but the powder is still in the powderboxes among the naglitsa. An article from the same category - to transfer from a sore head to a healthy one;)
    1. zennon
      zennon 6 July 2013 16: 00 New
      +1
      The author smacks of nonsense. It was the British who were ardent supporters of the deprivation of the Germans of their country, culture and even national identity.

      I agree. But only the amers did not lag behind. In the summer of 1945, the Amer military command issued an order to allow marriages with Germans BLACK ONLY! To humiliate the Germans. Then canceled. Not tolerant ...
  • Uhe
    Uhe 6 July 2013 15: 34 New
    0
    The author smacks of nonsense. It was the British who were ardent supporters of the deprivation of the Germans of their country, culture and even national identity. They wanted to completely destroy the German people, since they did not succeed in destroying the Russians, but the purpose of the clash between Germany and the USSR was precisely the destruction of the USSR and its state-forming people - the Russians, that is, the destruction of Russian civilization. But Stalin outwitted the allies and the USSR emerged from the war as a superpower. The Naglitschs decided to recoup on the Germans, by the way, already in the spring of the 45th, having developed plans for delivering nuclear strikes against the USSR (allied with the USA, of course, but the ringleaders were naglitsy, since Truman was an ardent Russophobe and anti-communist, unlike the more intelligent and pragmatic Roosevelt )

    Stalin did not allow to realize either plans to destroy German statehood and the German people, or plans to attack the USSR. You can read about everything calmly, see links to documents. The author in this matter frankly lies either out of ignorance, or simply bewits.

    Well, the measures taken by the USSR were quite justified, especially since strict decrees were issued prohibiting offending the population in the occupied territories, and vice versa - to feed and help. The Germans themselves began to help ours with joy when they realized that the Russian horns do not, but the Russians have food that they, by their natural kindness, are ready to give out to the starving and needy. The Germans organized themselves very quickly, and not from under a stick. The rest became a matter of technology - the formation of the government from loyal Germans, the establishment of the economy and so on.

    Do you know what the nicholans can do best? Lying and blaming others for their sins. The current Americans are even better at this than their teachers, but the powder is still in the powderboxes among the naglitsa. An article from the same category - to transfer from a sore head to a healthy one;)
    1. Letterksi
      Letterksi 6 July 2013 16: 08 New
      +5
      Maybe the British did not want public trials due to the fact that they themselves had a snout in the cannon for the most important role in waging war, and were afraid that the public process and testimonies of high-ranking Germans would betray them with giblets to the allies? And all the other "tales" about their kindness to the Germans stuck somehow somehow themselves in about 60 years in populist articles?
      1. Day 11
        Day 11 7 July 2013 11: 55 New
        +4
        So it really was. To recall at least Rudolph Hess --- the person wanted to tell a lot on Nuremberg — they shut his mouth. And before leaving the dungeons he promised to reveal the secrets --- in the end they lifted!
    2. Selevc
      Selevc 7 July 2013 10: 37 New
      +4
      In many ways, you are also wrong - it was with the consent of Stalin that about a third of the territory of pre-war Germany was given to Poland and the USSR, and as a result, we did not get the GDR that could have been - but a small country with a hole in the middle !!! But they could have in contrast to the FRG Socialist East Germany from Keniksberg to Elba !!! In my opinion, this would only strengthen the Eastern Bloc ... And in return they got a big Socialist Poland - a country even in the post-war years very muddy - more like a veiled enemy in its rear than a reliable ally !!!
      1. zennon
        zennon 7 July 2013 19: 07 New
        +2
        it was with the consent of Stalin that about a third of the territory of pre-war Germany was given to Poland

        At the same time, several million Germans were deported from their lands after the war. Well, if only deported! A separate line of the question is the attitude of the newly-minted authorities of Poland, and France with the peaceful German population after the war!
  • Avenger711
    Avenger711 6 July 2013 17: 18 New
    +5
    Suggest to cry?
    WE WILL NOT!
  • FC SKIF
    FC SKIF 6 July 2013 18: 12 New
    +4
    Poor-poor Germans. It is not terribly human to force one to look at the horrors created by contemporaries (or even by themselves), it is even worse to try to forcibly denounce the Aryans. Here are the bastards these Aryans.
  • Meaning
    Meaning 6 July 2013 22: 22 New
    0
    Thanks for the info. did not know this
  • Xnumx kopeek
    Xnumx kopeek 7 July 2013 02: 52 New
    +3
    Quote: zennon
    The author smacks of nonsense. It was the British who were ardent supporters of the deprivation of the Germans of their country, culture and even national identity.

    I agree. But only the amers did not lag behind. In the summer of 1945, the Amer military command issued an order to allow marriages with Germans BLACK ONLY! To humiliate the Germans. Then canceled. Not tolerant ...

    “The Kaufman’s plan,” the Germans sterilized, beat the Yankees. / 20 specialists prepared / “But history has taken care. What is called“ Germany ”no longer exists. Like Europe itself.
    1. zennon
      zennon 7 July 2013 19: 55 New
      +1
      . That which is called "Germany" no longer exists. Like Europe itself.

      Maybe not everything is so creepy? White people are strong. Read Kipling.
  • Xnumx kopeek
    Xnumx kopeek 7 July 2013 02: 54 New
    +1
    Quote: zennon
    Of course, of course, but the Germans, white and fluffy, carried the light of truth in the USSR ...

    No, they’re not white and not fluffy. So the question is not worth it. But I won’t just be wrong in front of you. I’m looking for truth, not whitewashing anyone, and not slander.
    -
    The truth is in wine. wassat
  • Zomanus
    Zomanus 7 July 2013 05: 17 New
    +2
    Damn, there is a saying, "Woe to the vanquished." Nobody ever regretted us, why should we spare everyone? And the Germans did the right thing. For the guys played in the gods. Maybe it was worth going further and worthily punishing Ukrainians, Poles, Crimean Tatars, Chechens, Balts ... And then there would be no uprisings in the 50-60-s.
    1. zennon
      zennon 7 July 2013 20: 09 New
      +2
      Nobody ever regretted us

      There was such a great researcher and MAN Fridtjof Nansen. When during the Civil War we had a terrible famine in the Volga region, he organized a collection of donations around the world. Hundreds of thousands of Russian people owe him his life! Later he organized the so-called "Nansen Passports" for people without citizenship. They also received many Russian people thrown out of Russia. In a large Levshinsky lane, opposite the building of the Russian International Red Cross, d. 6/2, p. 1 in Moscow, he stands a monument.
  • EGORKA
    EGORKA 7 July 2013 09: 58 New
    +3
    There are fascist rescuers here, and they are still trying to compare them with the Red Army, the NKVD, SMERSH .... this is a priori wrong! And such topics must be strictly stopped! The Stalinist regime is another topic and trying to rewrite history will not work!
    Russia remembers all the atrocities of that war, but years passed and we reconciled with the Germans, besides, it was always customary for us to separate the Nazis and the German people, who by the way also did nothing, but lived in pink glasses and would not have taken them off himself , if we hadn’t removed them, therefore how it was done is justified! The result is obvious.
  • Selevc
    Selevc 7 July 2013 10: 45 New
    +2
    Quote: EGORKA
    people who, by the way, also did nothing, but lived in pink glasses

    These pink glasses are called propaganda and the bulk of the people are often blindly and sometimes consciously led to it ... Many elderly people told me how they loved and extolled Stalin, considering him almost God - how they cried at his funeral ... But about the repression they didn’t tell me anything at all ... But what about Stalin - I remember my pioneer childhood - at the priest’s children who studied with us and who were not pioneers, they all looked almost like fascists :)))

    What do you want from the Germans - did they also believe Hitler? At least 99% believed and one percent of Paskud dissidents exist in any country !!!
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 7 July 2013 12: 09 New
      +3
      I don’t quite agree with you. Propaganda in its pure form is that? -Boltology! And Hitler really pulled the economy out of the abyss, canceled the payment of indemnities, restored the army, united the German fragmented people and most importantly all Germans saw progress in their lives and believed in the future! You say propaganda!
  • Selevc
    Selevc 7 July 2013 17: 05 New
    +1
    Propaganda is a way to extend my ideology to millions - millions of ordinary people (in principle, no matter which nation) do not need details of this or that idiology, they need a simplified version and understandable to everyone from the janitor to the boss ... Any propaganda quickly turns into a boltology if she is not backed up by concrete deeds !!! And from this point of view, Democracy has always been a boltology since it always pursued the interests of only the ruling elite and the rest only hung noodles on their ears ... But Communism, Fascism, Maoism ... it was all backed up by deeds, and therefore millions of people believed these idiologies in their time ...
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 7 July 2013 17: 14 New
      +2
      Well, that's what I’m saying, that Adolf Aloizovich created a comfortable life for the whole nation and plus promised a wonderful life for their children and grandchildren! This was all supported by the successful actions of the army, which consisted of the same ordinary Germans!
  • Selevc
    Selevc 7 July 2013 17: 22 New
    +2
    All would be well if Adolf Aloizovich did this exclusively in his Germany and he had plans much wider - he wanted to build the Third Reich from the Rhine to the Volga - gradually and sometimes immediately sending dozens of eastern peoples to the grave - mostly Slavs whom he considered subhuman. .. By the way, some of his ideas and methods of eradicating the Slavic peoples are actively used now but by overseas Conquerors ...
    Of course, for the Germans it was all good, but for the generation of our grandfathers the victory over fascism was a matter of life or death of all Slavic nations ...
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 7 July 2013 17: 38 New
      +3
      Duck Do you still agree that they were not “pink glasses"? The people fought for the idea (even if it was disgusting for us). He was ready to die for this idea (which actually happened). I believe that at this stage in the development of Russia, we need an IDEA that would rally the masses of people of ALL nationalities !!!
      1. Selevc
        Selevc 7 July 2013 18: 21 New
        +2
        Perhaps you misunderstood me - but the point of my comments was precisely that great ideas have always united millions of people !!! The modern era, on the contrary, is more likely a crisis of ideas and, as a result, a cult of money and other benefits - and this, in principle, undermines the deep foundations of the life of Slavic peoples ... For more than 20 years, standards of life that are alien to us have constantly imposed on us and, on the contrary, their traditions are hushed up or trampled into mud...
        1. Day 11
          Day 11 7 July 2013 18: 28 New
          +1
          I convinced you
          1. Selevc
            Selevc 7 July 2013 19: 09 New
            +1
            In general, I always thought so ...
  • Des10
    Des10 7 July 2013 17: 54 New
    +2
    Similar events - reburial and watching a movie - would be held among the supporters (preachers) of extremism in Russia as well.
    And so ... And the Germans were atrocious, and especially those WHO needed to curry favor with the "Aryan nation."
    And against them - I, too, would have committed atrocities ... I have someone for that.
    1. zennon
      zennon 7 July 2013 19: 18 New
      +1
      And against them - I, too, would have committed atrocities ... I have someone for that.
      Yes, I am the first for, if against criminals, traitors, etc.!
  • mark7
    mark7 7 July 2013 19: 58 New
    +1
    Quote: zennon
    In particular, the notorious Khatyn Ukrainians burned

    Well, yes, and the Germans there were random witnesses in your opinion. That's how they rewrite history
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 7 July 2013 20: 01 New
      +3
      Yes, you at least understand the history of the issue, and then write comments ...
  • Alexandr2510
    Alexandr2510 8 July 2013 14: 51 New
    0
    Like it or not, and the winner is always right request
  • Day 11
    Day 11 9 July 2013 17: 34 New
    0
    Guys, let's raise the topic about the GSS that have sided with the Hans. It seems to me that for many these are unknown pages ...