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Dmitry Rogozin: Extremely tough conclusions will be made from the crash of the Proton-M launch vehicle

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Extremely tough conclusions will be made from the Proton-M launch vehicle crash: the rocket and space industry will develop in a fundamentally different way. Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin told reporters about this.


"The conclusions will be made extremely tough in this situation, and they will be associated not only with the search, so let's say, the guilty, or the guilty, they will affect a number of more complex problems," Rogozin said. "In the form in which the rocket-space now exists Russian industry, we will not move further. "

Rocket and space industry will be reformed

Russian President Vladimir Putin has created a special commission to reform the rocket and space industry, headed by Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin. This was told by the Deputy Prime Minister himself. "This commission will have to prepare a draft decision of the president on reforming the rocket and space industry," he said. Rogozin, adding that her first meeting will be held on Friday.

It was also decided to establish the JSC Rocket and Space Corporation, to which all shares of the separate enterprises of the Rocket and Space Cooperation will be transferred.

"The principles of reforming are as follows: within a single integrated structure, this is not a state corporation, but most likely it will be a joint-stock company, the conventional name of a rocket and space corporation, with the transfer of all state-owned shares that are currently under the jurisdiction of separate rocket and space enterprises industry, "- said Rogozin.

According to the vice-premier, such a reform will require consolidation of the industry. In particular, in order to create a joint stock company, it is necessary to transform all FSUEs into joint-stock companies and carry out an in-depth analysis of all the property that is in charge of these enterprises.

Rogozin added that after that "a unified technical policy will be carried out," in particular, the product range is sharply narrowed due to the universalization of technical solutions, which should lead to a decrease in emergency situations.

As for the launch infrastructure, then, according to the vice-premier, at Baikonur, Plesetsk and at the future Vostochny space center, it will be located within the framework of the preserved and strengthened federal space agency.

The first conclusions about the Proton-M accident are possible in two days.

According to Rogozin, telemetry data on the crash of the Proton-M launch vehicle are expected within two days.

"In general, we expect to receive telemetry, which can be used to draw the first conclusions about the causes of the accident within two days, that is, until tomorrow evening," said the Deputy Prime Minister.

The Vice Prime Minister also assured that the accident did not cause catastrophic damage to the environment. “We hope that no serious damage to the environment has actually happened,” Rogozin said.

According to him, the head of Roscosmos is currently at Baikonur. “He went to the scene of the accident in the first minutes in order to assess the possible damage to the environment,” Rogozin explained. According to him, heptyl, the most dangerous chemistry used in engines of the first stage in rockets, burned down in the first seconds of the accident.

Rogozin noted that the main danger was "a certain chemical cloud of nitric acid." However, according to him, the weather saved the situation - it was raining, and this cloud could not spread far. Rogozin said that the launch complex remained intact, since the rocket fell about 2 km from it.

Earlier, Kazakhstan’s national space agency, Kazkosmos, reported that toxic fuel components, heptyl and amide, were not detected at the Baikonur cosmodrome and the adjacent territory.

The Proton-M rocket with three Glonass-M devices launched today from the 81 site of the Baikonur cosmodrome at exactly the appointed time - at 06: 38 Moscow time. However, almost immediately after separation from the launch pad, the rocket sharply deviated from the flight path, after which it fell near the launch site and exploded.

The Investigative Committee of Russia began pre-investigation verification of the accident.

Dmitry Rogozin: Extremely tough conclusions will be made from the crash of the Proton-M launch vehicle


The State Commission will ensure the objectivity of the investigation

This afternoon, Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev instructed Rogozin to form a government commission to establish the causes of the Proton-M accident with three Glonass-M vehicles, and demanded that a list of those responsible for the incident be presented.

Rogozin recalled that in such situations the state commission, which is formed within the framework of Roskosmos, always works. "Today, in the first minutes after the accident, it was created. However, considering that the accident caused a great response and, of course, requires close analysis of the causes of this kind of technical failure and dramatic consequences, the President of the Russian Federation decided to create a special commission headed by your humble servant because only a government commission can provide a second key, that is, an objective analysis of what happened, "the deputy prime minister said, stressing that, unlike Roscosmos, this body can be a decision on the degree of responsibility of the officials from the industry or government customer, which were directly related to the accident.
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  1. pensioner
    pensioner 3 July 2013 07: 49 New
    -6
    I have never heard such a harsh statement addressed to ROSKOSMOS by Rogozin. Landing will be! And by no means to the moon or Mars. Take a closer look. But far enough from Moscow. Good morning everybody!
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 3 July 2013 07: 52 New
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      Quote: retired
      I have never heard such a harsh statement addressed to ROSKOSMOS by Rogozin.

      from Rogozin there are only tough declarations, but there are no hard cases. Damn, what in Rogozin found a panacea? So what did he do at all in his posts, which he now occupies in a heap of industries? One blah blah blah and no more figs.
      1. krasin
        krasin 3 July 2013 08: 17 New
        +8
        The Americans do not want us to have our own positioning system.
        With their system we are on a silver platter.
        Definitely a sabotage! Many more mishandled, rip them up with the root!
        1. S_mirnov
          S_mirnov 3 July 2013 10: 22 New
          +5
          "Definitely a sabotage! Many more mishandled, rip them up with the root!" Krasin, you are inimitable!
          Blame it all - Navalny, gays, atheists and American adoptive parents! smile
          What is there to fantasize about? Here is a clear assessment of the state of our space industry and the state as a whole! Well, it doesn’t happen that friends of the GDP buy yachts and football clubs for boogorm and rockets fly. It doesn’t come out in any way, no matter how many priests the censer around the rocket waved, and the quality of component production does not improve.
          1. rolik
            rolik 3 July 2013 10: 50 New
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            Quote: S_mirnov
            Blame it all - Navalny, gays, atheists and American adoptive parents!

            In the incident, the greatest merit of the Effective managers, who were planted where real professionals should steer .. And these freaks in their head have nothing more than a beautiful withdrawal of funds, their development and cutting. And after all they’re not afraid of anything from ... ki, they steal already just in plain sight. And all because our judicial reform has become toothless like an old old woman. Landing no all descends on the brakes, stealing and disgraced occupy other seats. it seems that there are 10 million people in the country and there is no one to choose from. Fursenko’s example, he’s only a janitor to take. No, he began to steadily steer, Chubais (this is a separate issue). Now, instead of one dolbyatelya, they put the second, Livanov. We have that smart and professional cadres are over. Or in order for everything to return to normal, it is necessary, all only, one DAM with the government to throw in the louse. It seems that there is a targeted wrecking by the government. What’s not an innovation, then a complete ass.
            1. vadimN
              vadimN 3 July 2013 11: 29 New
              +9
              Quote: rolik
              Or in order for everything to return to normal, it is necessary, all only, one DAM with the government to throw in the louse.


              And what, dear, are you hooked on DAM !? For 20 years he serves as nothing more than a shadow and a lightning rod of Putin. The tandem is a project of the West to manage Russia, and it works. "Clean" Putin and the malicious DAM ...
              ... Enough already to carry garbage. If the prime minister rules everything in our country, and the president cannot do anything, then only two options loom:
              1. They are at the same time.
              2. What for us such a president, if he does not manage anything?
              1. nycsson
                nycsson 3 July 2013 12: 00 New
                +7
                Quote: vadimN
                looming:
                1. They are at the same time.
                2. What for us such a president, if he does not manage anything?

                Absolutely correct conclusions! It is a pity that not everyone was given to understand this! request
                1. alexdol
                  alexdol 3 July 2013 13: 05 New
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                  nycsson (3) RU "Absolutely correct conclusions! It is a pity that not everyone is given to understand this!"
                  --------------------------------------------------
                  Yes, here everything is very easy to explain: it’s just that many visitors to the site have big problems with THINKING !? So, I recently spoke out about the new ARMATA tank in the sense that I agreed with the opinion of expert Khlopotov, and as a justification I referred to the POGROM of production and science that happened after the collapse of the USSR! So many "minuses" earned that mom do not grieve! Apparently those who put them, consider themselves to be "true" patriots, and therefore simply do not notice anything around them or do not want to notice. These are people from the category of the ever-present “OK!” And they lack their MIND!
                  1. nycsson
                    nycsson 3 July 2013 13: 31 New
                    +3
                    Quote: alexdol
                    Yes, here everything is very easily explained:

                    Quote: alexdol
                    These are people from the category of the ever-present “OK!” And they lack their MIND!

                    All this was planned. Their eyes were so blinded that they couldn’t see anything beyond their nose. It is encouraging that not everyone is .....
              2. rolik
                rolik 3 July 2013 15: 50 New
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                Quote: vadimN
                And what, dear, are you hooked on DAM !?

                “20 years has been Putin’s shadow ???? Wow))) We have a year or so in the yard, maybe I woke up today in 2018. Now we carefully look at all past events. Whatever the GDP does, it ultimately comes down to fixing jambs DAMA: On the way, I’m probably already not very happy that I gave so much power to this kinderensh. Secondly, you do not take into account the fact that maybe - maybe when the GDP went to the polls, an agreement was reached between it and the iPhone. Putin’s interventions, instead of a prime minister’s post, but what time is this post? Maybe for the entire first term after the election of the GDP, maybe for a year or two, then an honorable resignation and lecturing at some university. If, for the first term, Dima’s GDP remains the prime minister, then poor Putin. Dimon will go so far, oh oh oh. Because it’s not so simple as it seems. With such shoals of bear and such long-suffering GDP, it’s strange to see a kick under the ass. And all the admission DAM ki run counter to the GDP rate, constantly doing the exact opposite of what is needed. Or maybe this is a game of a bad cop and a good cop. Who knows. I see only one thing, the ivy hogs, and then these jambs (including those involving GDP) are trying to fix it.
                And then there are a lot of Tipo "statists" gathered. And if you do not ask anyone for the kingdom, they are silent. Or put forward pope ZY, or Ivashov. Ivashov himself will not go to the presidency. Well, dad Zyu himself in all its glory has already shown in 1996 year.
            2. S_mirnov
              S_mirnov 3 July 2013 12: 05 New
              +9
              The country has a systemic crisis, i.e. the state vertical itself cannot be cured of corruption.
              1. nycsson
                nycsson 3 July 2013 12: 34 New
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                Quote: S_mirnov
                The country has a systemic crisis, i.e. the state vertical itself cannot be cured of corruption.

                The vertical of power covers this corruption! One thing pleases, it cannot go on ad infinitum, sooner or later, but the Russian people must understand what is happening in our country!
                1. fisherman
                  fisherman 3 July 2013 12: 44 New
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                  2005 year
                  Total 26 launches. Successful 23.
                  2006 year
                  Number of launches: 25 Successful launches: 23
                  2007 year
                  Number of launches: 26 Successful launches: 25
                  2008 year
                  Number of launches: 27 Successful launches: 26
                  2009 year
                  Number of launches: 32 Successful launches: 31; 1 launch recognized as partially successful
                  2010 year
                  Number of launches: 31 Successful launches: 30
                  2011 year
                  Number of launches: 32. Successful launches: 28.
                  2012 year
                  Number of launches: 24. Successful launches: 23.
                  2013 year
                  Number of launches: 16. Successful launches: 15. Planned launches: 18


                  it seems to me that people already understood everything :)
                2. Denis
                  Denis 3 July 2013 12: 56 New
                  +1
                  Quote: nycsson
                  the people must understand what is happening in our country!
                  Let's understand, and then what?
                  1. nycsson
                    nycsson 3 July 2013 13: 34 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Denis
                    Let's understand, and then what?

                    And then collect signatures of distrust of the country's leadership. And remove them from power. Since, according to the Constitution, all power belongs to the people of Russia. And to do it exclusively peacefully.
                    1. bunta
                      bunta 3 July 2013 13: 57 New
                      +2
                      1. The resignation of the government.
                      2. Dissolution of the Duma.
                      3. All power to the Soviets!
                      1. Hon
                        Hon 3 July 2013 15: 31 New
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                        Quote: bunta
                        1. The resignation of the government.
                        2. Dissolution of the Duma.
                        3. All power to the Soviets!

                        Not just the government, but only some ministers. This thought to drive with pissing slippers with all the actresses, athletes, insignificant and PoIrots, the benefits of a mad printer is no harm. There is no advice now, so let the President remain in power only on the condition that he ceases to consider himself a saint and begins a real fight against corruption, which he himself has bred.
                    2. rolik
                      rolik 3 July 2013 15: 37 New
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                      Quote: nycsson
                      And then collect signatures of distrust of the country's leadership. And remove them from power

                      And whom is a nice person you want to put on a throne ??? Name the candidate please))))
                      1. Hon
                        Hon 3 July 2013 15: 54 New
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                        Quote: rolik
                        And whom is a nice person you want to put on a throne ??? Name the candidate please))))

                        And what is nobody? Well, yes, we have an irreplaceable president. WHERE ARE WE WITHOUT IT crying
                      2. rolik
                        rolik 3 July 2013 16: 08 New
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                        Quote: Hon
                        And what is nobody?

                        So call it))) I can not hear it, once again only one
                        - And what is nobody?
                        Name, say his name. just like in three musketeers))))), and in response to silence.
                        Respected Honname the name. I repeat once again Ivashov not to name, he himself will not go to the president.
                      3. Hon
                        Hon 3 July 2013 16: 27 New
                        +1
                        So the names will not say anything to you, because people are not media. For example, Saurin Alexei Ivanovich, a very good manager. But you are only interested in famous personalities, only Putin himself was not known until a certain point, he was shoved. The country has a large number of smart professional people who can take the presidency, and are able to cope with tasks that the current president is too tough for.
                      4. rolik
                        rolik 3 July 2013 16: 34 New
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                        Quote: Hon
                        For example, Saurin Alexey Ivanovich,

                        Class rank: Acting State Advisor to the Russian Federation, Grade 2.
                        Job Details
                        1965 - 1967 - student of GPTU No. 6, Balakovo, Saratov Region
                        1967 - 1968 - locksmith at the Balakovo Chemical Fiber Plant, Saratov Region
                        1968 - 1970 - service in the Soviet Army
                        1970 - 1975 - assistant to the master of the Balakovo Chemical Fiber Plant, Saratov Region
                        1975 - 1990 - master, technical manager, head of the Balakovo alloy site Volgolesosplav, Saratov Region
                        1990 - 1993 - Director of the Volzhsky Zori MPP, Balakovo, Saratov Region
                        1993 - 1996 - General Director of Volzhsky Zori JSC, Balakovo, Saratov Region
                        1997 - 2001 - Head of the Administration of Balakovo and the Balakovo District, Saratov Region
                        2001 - 2004 - Head of the Department for the Protection and Development of Hunting Resources of the Ministry of Agriculture of the Russian Federation, Moscow
                        2004 - present - Deputy Head of the Federal Service for Veterinary and Phytosanitary Surveillance, Moscow
                        And in what role do you see him?
                        But the reviews about this statesman, this is what the locals say about him))))
                        http://www.balakovo.ru/news.view.php?num_news=13071&vid=list&&pgs=10
                      5. Hon
                        Hon 3 July 2013 17: 01 New
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                        Do not tell me what the locals say about Saurin, I'm local. And I remember well how it was filmed, riot police had to be brought from Saratov, because the locals simply refused to disperse Balakovo. And I remember the fights with the ballots torn from the ballots, I had to defend them because the majority voted for Saurin, and the regional authorities didn’t like that. By the way, he then killed his daughter by setting up an accident. Under him, the district and the city flourished. Dug a drop of information in a couple of minutes in nete and decided that they figured out the situation?
                        Quote: rolik
                        And in what role do you see him?
                        Saurin could well have taken the presidency, he is an excellent manager, and there are a lot of people like him in the country, Putin’s light did not converge. By the way, who was Putin under Sobchak? Correctly honored bastard. And how did he end up as president? Correctly Boris Abramovich helped.
                      6. rolik
                        rolik 3 July 2013 17: 11 New
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                        Quote: Hon
                        Saurin could have taken the presidency, he’s a great manager,

                        Have you read the comments? One lawyer was already president. Do not put arrows on people. In this conversation, the entire portrait is your candidate’s oil. Or do you, except you, all the rest are rednecks? I assure you that you are mistaken in this exactly the opposite. We carefully read who your statesman was under Ayatskov and how he licked him. That's all.
                        At the moment, there is no person able to replace the GDP. If he appears, I will be the first to vote for him (although I swore to vote after 96 when I voted for ZY, but he just leaked everyone). Now tell me who is Peter 1, Ivan the Terrible, Catherine the Great for you ??? Give their characteristics.
                        And unlike some govnomes, I do not minus for the reasoned position, the opposite from prosralivsepolymers.
                      7. Hon
                        Hon 3 July 2013 17: 30 New
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                        Quote: rolik
                        One lawyer was already president

                        So Putin is also a lawyer. By the way, do not tell with whose easy hand DAM became president?
                        Quote: rolik
                        Or do you, except you, all the rest are rednecks?

                        Do not project your manner of judging and evaluating people onto me.
                        Quote: rolik
                        Have you read the comments?

                        Quote: rolik
                        In this conversation, the entire portrait is your candidate’s oil.

                        Have you ever been to Balakovo at least once ?! Do you know anyone from this city? Do you form your own picture of the situation with the Internet? A sign of a big "mind" ...
                        By the way, it was Saurin Ayatskov who didn’t lick, and this was the reason that they decided to remove him. Those who licked after Saurin left took bread positions, for example Shesterkin (you won’t find any info about him). The Balakovo district under Saurin was the best in the region.
                        Quote: rolik
                        There is currently no person able to replace GDP

                        Of course not. Who if not he will fly with Siberian Cranes?
                      8. rolik
                        rolik 3 July 2013 18: 00 New
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                        Quote: Hon
                        Of course not. Who if not he will fly with Siberian Cranes?

                        1 - Well, your candidate certainly will not fly - he just shoots them, and then he stuffs a scarecrow and sets it up like a trophy.
                        2 - In 1970-1975 he studied at the international branch of the Law Faculty of the A. A. Zhdanov Leningrad State University (Leningrad State University). He joined the CPSU at LSU. I didn’t leave this banned in 1991 party. Read ... from the Communist Party did not quit. Unlike some, first in the Communist Party, then Democrats, then in EdRo. Such individuals have a definition - repainted. Your candidate is just one of these.
                        3 - In 1975 he graduated from the Law Faculty of Leningrad State University. By distribution, I was sent to work in the State Security Committee. Do you think that working in "bloody gebna" is a big and fat minus in the career of GDP. Then to Novodvorskaya, she has the same views.
                        Quote: Hon
                        Have you ever been to Balakovo at least once ?!

                        4- as Sherlock said, he is Holmes.
                        - An attentive and sober person, even one drop of salt water, can draw a conclusion about the existence of the ocean. So here, when separating the grains from the chaff, an “attractive” portrait of your applicant emerges.
                        I will outline in brief;
                        An ordinary small-town prince who uses his power to satisfy his whims and weaknesses, has little interest in the opinions of others, with great ambitions, and a perfectly arched back. Such, of course, climb into good chairs. But no more than that, in the end, these chairs remain. In order to become the head of state, one must possess something else. except for a perfectly working tongue, a bummed ass, and an elegantly arched back.
                      9. Hon
                        Hon 3 July 2013 18: 12 New
                        -1
                        Quote: rolik
                        In 1970-1975 he studied at the international branch of the law faculty of the A. A. Zhdanov Leningrad State University (Leningrad State University). He joined the CPSU at LSU. I didn’t leave this banned in 1991 party. Read ... from the Communist Party did not quit. Unlike some, first in the Communist Party, then Democrats, then in EdRo. Such individuals have a definition - repainted. Your candidate is just one of these.
                        3 - In 1975 he graduated from the Law Faculty of Leningrad State University. By distribution, I was sent to work in the State Security Committee. Do you think that working in "bloody gebna" is a big and fat minus in the career of GDP. Then to Novodvorskaya, she has the same views.

                        And you can like this
                        Putin has never been an independent person. Somewhere in the mid-seventies, he was noticed by the then professor of the Leningrad State University (St. Petersburg analogue of Moscow State University) Anatoly Sobchak, and then for some reason he was shy in the KGB. In 1989, due to the fact that he won the election and became a deputy, Sobchak needed the right hand. The left one was already. Putin became the main henchman of Anatolia. Until 1996, Vova was engaged in the fact that he simply raised grandmothers in different ways, but in 1996 the boss Vova burned out, and Vova, finding himself Churov as an assistant, went to work in Moscow, and he raised a lot of money from the grandmothers from 1990 to 1996. From 1996 to 1999, he rummaged through various positions, going slowly to success, then in 1999 he found a very wealthy sponsor in the form of Berezovsky, became president, and came to success.

                        In 2000, Deripaska and Abramovich were sunk by Berezovsky, Berezovsky eventually dumped in England, and Deripaska and Abramovich began to rule the country through Vova. Characteristically, nothing has changed since then. But all zero to the common people was methodically suggested from the blue screens that the oligarchs were crippled and that now everything was under the control of the good king. And there were those who believed. And all because, according to the majority, the oligarch is everyone who has money doher, although in reality the oligarchs are those who have not only money, but also real power. In any case, neither one nor the other did not disappear. The number of billionaires in Russia, compared with the nineties, in the two thousandths increased ten times, and the group that really steers this country, perhaps a little updated, but has not disappeared.

                        In general, Putin today is strictly under the big oligarchs, the story of the 2005 merger of Sibneft Abramovich and Gazprom Putin is indicative, firstly, Abramovich’s oil reserves were three times higher than Putin’s oil reserves, and secondly, Gazprom gave Sibneft a fantastic amount of $ 13 billion why he got into debt to foreign countries, thirdly, the deal for Putin is generally considered extremely unprofitable, and Abramovich entered the top richest homo sapiens on planet Earth.
                      10. rolik
                        rolik 3 July 2013 18: 51 New
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                        Quote: Hon
                        And you can like this

                        Facts in the studio. Which grandmas washed? Through which firms. And so on.
                        As for Abramovich, a little in the wrong direction. Mr. Abramovich, when he began his ascent and how did he begin it. Do you remember? Let me remind you when my daughter Tanya introduced him to her dad Bore, and here he was in a bad mood))))) The only thing that did not make GDP was not to close it, apparently the money that Abrash pays enough for a more or less calm life . By the way, do not think that the oligarchs are head over heels in the dough. Head over heels in loans and debts, this is true. And Roma is no exception, the amounts that name the amount of property that he has in control are not so much real money, but a lot of money taken for this property. Anyway, okay ... this is a long story. In addition to excerpts from about the Communist Party newspapers. I did not see anything. Where did you get that Gazprom Putin's wallet? Facts please facts with figures, if possible. Gazprom arose long before the accession of GDP to the throne; remember, Mr. Chernomyrdin made his palms a house in advertising, just before the 1996 elections.
                        Here and again naked chatter pops up, without facts. A selection of raisins mixed with agitation from the Communist Party.
                        And Putin was hanging out at the KGB, because he worked there. He was sent there by distribution after graduation. It used to be such a practice to go to work on distribution.
                    3. Hon
                      Hon 3 July 2013 19: 58 New
                      0
                      Quote: rolik
                      Quote: Hon
                      Have you ever been to Balakovo at least once ?!

                      4- as Sherlock said, he is Holmes.
                      - An attentive and sober person, even one drop of salt water, can draw a conclusion about the existence of the ocean. So here, when separating the grains from the chaff looms "

                      In other words, in Balakovo they weren’t what people live in, you don’t know, but it’s forever to starry, and you skillfully separate the grain from the chaff in the icteric articles.
              2. rolik
                rolik 3 July 2013 17: 26 New
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                Quote: Hon
                Saurin could well have taken the presidency, he is an excellent manager

                Oh !! and here's a little more interesting about Saurin. These are just excerpts.
                Well, a little about Balakovo. A. Saurin was arrested on May 25, 2001, when he, together with his lawyer, appeared at the regional prosecutor's office to testify in the criminal case brought against him - abuse of power or embezzlement on an especially large scale. According to the prosecutor of the region, the investigators accumulated a lot of questions for the ex-head of the Balakovo Municipal Formation, mainly based on the results of checking the financial and economic activities of the Balakovo administration.
                Well, it can be said that the brow was set up by vile enemies. Read on.
                . Other facts are much more interesting.

                The bloody picture shocked the huntsman Vladimir Yantyev so much that he could no longer remain on the staff of the hunting department led by Mr. Kaimin. He wrote about everything he saw to higher authorities, including the republican authorities. More than six months have passed - no one thought to conduct any investigations. The huntsman was made clear: that day Capricorn was hunted by himself (!) The head of the Russian hunting department A. Saurin, and therefore it is better to be silent.
                A distinguished Moscow guest is often in our mountains. At the end of October 2002, he flew, accompanied by Mr. Kaimin, to the area of ​​Lake Tarhatinsky. Two friend-hunters, in order to provide themselves with a reliable cover, dragged S. Yastrzhembsky, authoritative in Kremlin circles, into the dirty business. If the former presidential spokesman knew what story he was being drawn into then, he would hardly have agreed.
                In June last year, at the XII session of the republican parliament, a group of deputies - and there were twenty of them - sent a deputy request to the prosecutor of the republic A. Volkov and the prosecutor's office of the West Siberian district. They recalled that the Head of the Republic M. Lapshin had already instructed the republican prosecutor to investigate the October (2002) poaching with the participation of Mr. Kaimin, using a helicopter and inviting Mr. Saurin, the Moscow patron, to the slaughter.
                Read more about the exploits of the great statesman who is being put forward as president. A legitimate question, what is your last name and who do you account for Saurin ???
                http://lenaswan.livejournal.com/330132.html
              3. Hon
                Hon 3 July 2013 17: 46 New
                -1
                An information war was fought against Saurin, and crushed from all directions. Even the daughter was killed. You are trying to argue with the help of the "yellow" articles, while you just learned about Saurin.
                Quote: rolik
                A legitimate question, what is your last name and who do you account for Saurin ???

                I’m personally unfamiliar with Saurin, I know him from his work as the head of the district. I won’t disclose my surname; I’ve blamed too much on this site.
        2. rolik
          rolik 3 July 2013 17: 34 New
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          Quote: Hon
          which the current president is too tough for.

          And you probably last year walked with a white ribbon on your sleeve)))) How much did you earn from this heroic act)))?
        3. Hon
          Hon 3 July 2013 17: 36 New
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          Quote: rolik
          And you probably last year walked with a white ribbon on your sleeve)))) How much did you earn from this heroic act)))?

          No, I went to the bow for a prize of 5000 ...
        4. rolik
          rolik 3 July 2013 17: 44 New
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          Quote: Hon
          No, I went to the bow for a prize of 5000 ...

          Do you work for two gentlemen? well done)))) Only now: Figaro here - Figaro there, usually ends badly)))
          And at that time I just worked at my enterprise, do you feel the difference?
        5. Hon
          Hon 3 July 2013 18: 03 New
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          Quote: rolik
          Do you work for two gentlemen? well done)))) Only now: Figaro here - Figaro there, usually ends badly)))
          And at that time I just worked at my enterprise, do you feel the difference?

          So Saurin is not in opposition, he works in a government agency, he is a good manager, a good professional. The President does not climb by the way. Although you have already concluded for yourself that I am pushing him as president. The wrong conclusion, like all that you have made. You asked to name the one who could do the job of the president, I called, and as I said earlier, there are many. And in the public service they are in the leadership of large ones.
          Figaro speak? As practice shows, it ends well, I won’t be surprised if tomorrow Udaltsov joins the slender ranks of the Popular Front and exposes State Department agents. Only I don’t get into politics, I just express my opinion on this site, because I like the site. It turned out to be a worship one because now I work in an organization related to the complex of municipal services in Moscow. the visit to the bow was voluntarily compulsory, the bonus and time off were in order to less indignant. At the bow, by the way, there were most people like me, although they told you on TV that everyone had gathered from great love for Putin.
        6. rolik
          rolik 4 July 2013 01: 46 New
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          Quote: Hon
          Although you have already concluded for yourself that I am pushing him as president.

          I quote you the same))))

          Quote: Hon
          Saurin could have taken the presidency, he’s a great manager,

          What do you say now?))))
        7. Hon
          Hon 4 July 2013 08: 11 New
          0
          Quote: rolik
          What do you say now?))))

          It follows from your question that Putin is simply unrealistic to replace, and there are simply no people in the country who can cope with the duties of the president. They asked to give names who could. I named a person who can quite cope with this task, and as I said earlier, there are many such people in the country.
      2. rolik
        rolik 4 July 2013 01: 48 New
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        Quote: Hon
        Only I don’t get into politics, I just express my opinion on this site,

        So here I am ... just expressing my opinion))))
  2. nycsson
    nycsson 3 July 2013 18: 29 New
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    Quote: rolik
    So call it))) I Hear

    Yes, at least the governor of the Belgorod region. He is just great, he raised the region.
  3. rolik
    rolik 3 July 2013 19: 10 New
    0
    Quote: nycsson
    Yes, at least the governor of the Belgorod region. ABOUT

    Good))) And who put it on the province ??? The correct answer is .... GDP))) Stormy applause. Why, then, shout that Putin puts thieves in their places ??? you yourself cited the example of the governor of the Belgorod region - Putin's protege. Idea is your logic Georges ??))
    But that’s okay, but other facts. Carefully))))
    The governor of the Belgorod region, Yevgeny Savchenko, is among the platinum millionaires. I wonder how this money is made?
    The Governor of the Belgorod Region, Yevgeny Savchenko, whose declared income is barely more than $ 10 thousand, is used to having a big vacation. What is the cruise of Yevgeny Stepanovich to Athens on the ten-deck Superliner Westerdam, popularly nicknamed the “Russian Titanic”.
    Moreover, according to official sources, the governor used the Platinum package of services, which even for very wealthy Russians could not afford - for this reason, not all places were sold out.
    By the way, the rest of the head for the regional budget costed, according to the most conservative estimates, 50 thousand euros.
    Oh ,,,, again wrote something wrong. Again white and fluffy, a little bit smeared. Trouble))))
    Now let's answer the main question.
    Are there people in power with an ideally spotless past ????
    They are not, and never will be. And those candidates who flashed here also go with a snout in a cannon. Who is more, who is less. So here, and you shout Putin - Putin. And you are SURE that your candidate will not ruin everything completely, will not trample those sprouts of the positive. that hatch. You can’t take everything at once and fix it, now it’s Roscosmos’s turn. let these Augean stables be cleaned. First, the army, Roscosmos, then the Central Bank and so on in order. Therefore, our great-grandfathers were right when they said that you’ll run after two rabbits and you will not catch a single one. It is necessary to do everything in turn, but constantly, and not in swoops. For example, I really do not want to again witness the "New Thinking" and other feces.
  4. Hon
    Hon 3 July 2013 20: 06 New
    +1
    Quote: rolik
    Good))) And who put it on the province ??? The correct answer is .... GDP))

    That's really well done GDP, with him they put Budanov, Kvachkov, Arakcheev, Khudyakov (do you even know who this is?) And many other worthy officers. Under him, Ramzan Kdyrov received a star of a hero and an unreasonable bobla from the budget. At the same time, he is proud to have killed the first Russian at 16, and his dad, also a “hero,” called on every Chechen to kill 100 Russians. So why is GDP better than Kovalev?
  5. rolik
    rolik 3 July 2013 20: 44 New
    0
    Quote: Hon
    . So why is GDP better than Kovalev?

    And what would your candidate do is unknown. I remember the popularly beloved Vodaru ate barrels. And your applicant behaved like the princes of a local tribute. and hunting for his master and other pleasures, so he still did not become president. And what will happen if it becomes, the second EBN ??? Already miners have passed helmets with knocking helmets on the pavement, and cigarettes that had to be cut with scissors, and the first Chechen stupidly handed over by our statesmen like Lebed (Khasavyurt) is still ashamed. And Chernomyrdin, negotiating with Basayev. The death of Rokhlin in '98, who needed it, Pasha Mercedes, Berezovsky and other oligarchs, immigrants from those times. And the wildest mortality. Yes, the Kadyrov is a ghoul, but everything has its time. So far, we have a relative peace within the borders of the state, while we are strengthening. But you, as I understand it, need a drift nakht ost ?? We weren’t in the war, I’m sure. Kadyrov’s father received his, as well as Basayev, and Maskhadov, and this ghoul in black glasses. Under the rule of whom they were banged. And your beloved party statesmen, repainted party functionaries, have led the country to complete overclocking. and now you offer the same, now they have few powers. But they use them to the full, hunting in the reserve is not a question !!! Relax for the people's money - please. and they do this with so little power. and what will happen if they become president ??? There will no longer be any brakes, And then what do you say ??? You won’t say anything, stick your tongue in w ... pu and it will be muttering, as it is now, having drained the polymers.
  6. Hon
    Hon 3 July 2013 21: 39 New
    0
    Quote: rolik
    And your applicant behaved like the princes of a local tribute.

    You do not know how he behaved !!! All your knowledge is based on is the "yellow" articles from the Internet. For this prince all Balakovo rose !!! And after the economic situation was thrown out, and not only the economic one, roads are now disgusting in Balakovo, until recently there were low salaries, only in the last two years they began to pay something normally, large enterprises created in Soviet times (BRT, BZVM) practically busted. But the objectionable Saurin Ayatskov threw out.
    Quote: rolik
    And what will happen if it becomes, the second EBN ???

    That is, we now all life to fight that comes EBN? The logic is iron.
    Quote: rolik
    The death of Rokhlin in '98, who needed

    And this is already a question for GDP, it is considered that he is implicated, and it was he who, as the director of the FSB, hid this topic.
    Quote: rolik
    Berezovsky and other oligarchs

    The oligarchs with their dilek at GDP, their number and condition grow by leaps and bounds
  7. rolik
    rolik 4 July 2013 00: 24 New
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    Quote: Hon
    And this is already a question for GDP, it is considered that he is implicated, and it was he who, as the director of the FSB, hid this topic.

    Come on, the facts in the studio)))
    Lev Rokhlin was killed on July 2, 1998, and GDP was appointed director of the FSB on July 25.
    Comrades from Bolotnaya, well, I'm tired of distorting the facts already.
    And questions about Rokhlin arose first of all in relation to Pasha Mercedes. Rokhlin very clearly outlined the portrait of this military "genius."
    As Joseph Kobzon, who stood in the guard of honor at the tomb of the general, told the correspondent, if the state wanted to crack down on Rokhlin, it would have done it earlier and in a simpler way.
    And once again I remind you please call, although there will be no answer, not another blue thief. A normal person who could stand at the helm of the state. Just do not name, because you do not have swamps of such people.
  8. bunta
    bunta 4 July 2013 00: 29 New
    +2
    Quote: rolik
    ... 2 on July 1998 of the year, GDP was appointed director of the FSB on 25 on July.


    for a job well done?
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  10. bunta
    bunta 4 July 2013 01: 54 New
    +2
    I asked a question. You distinguish a question mark from an exclamation point? And in the second part, your promise I consider you a boor. Into a black list. "Be nice." (c) Captain Alekhine.
  11. Hon
    Hon 4 July 2013 08: 16 New
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    Quote: rolik
    Lev Rokhlin was killed on July 2, 1998, and GDP was appointed director of the FSB on July 25.

    Do you think the investigation takes a couple of days? And if facts are so necessary, then our "valiant" investigation established that Rokhlin was killed by his wife, and of course everyone believed this))
    Rokhlin was eliminated not without the participation of Berezovsky, who at that time was pushing his man Putin.
  12. rolik
    rolik 4 July 2013 01: 43 New
    0
    Quote: Hon
    You do not know how he behaved !!! All your knowledge is based on is the "yellow" articles from the Internet.

    That bish statements of local residents on the Internet, these are yellow articles. Well, well, whose suddenly did you break off from Balakova and are afraid of something on this site. All this is strange, strange.
  13. Hon
    Hon 3 July 2013 22: 51 New
    0
    Quote: rolik
    Dad Kadyrov received his

    Yeah, the street in Moscow was named after him. Interesting street named after Colonel Budanov will appear? And it was not our special services that killed him, but the militants, well, the former militants. Ours wouldn’t do this because Ramzan has good knowledge of the information, and he would have calculated the real organizers of the attack without any problems.
    Quote: rolik
    And your beloved party statesmen, repainted party functionaries, have led the country to complete overclocking.


    So they are now in power. Remember "Our Home Russia" "Unity" "Homeland" "Bear" The centrists always had a majority in parliament, then he united in EP, and it was with them that all this opa in the nineties happened, they only change their names. Now they have repainted in the front of the people.

    Quote: rolik
    if they become president?

    So Putin is one of these ... Although I do not care which one he is, at the moment he has ceased to cope with his duties and is pulling the country into the abyss, there is an alternative to him, there is always an alternative, but he has exhausted himself.
  14. Yarosvet
    Yarosvet 3 July 2013 23: 31 New
    0
    Quote: Hon
    Under him, Ramzan Kdyrov received a star of a hero and an unreasonable bobla from the budget
  15. rolik
    rolik 4 July 2013 00: 33 New
    -2
    Quote: Hon
    So they are now in power. Remember "Our Home Russia" "Unity" "Homeland" "Bear" The centrists always had a majority in parliament, then he united in EP, and it was with them that all this opa in the nineties happened, they only change their names. Now they have repainted in the front of the people.

    That is, all these 25 year old and 30 year old guys from the Popular Front are painted communists ??? Wow!!! This is really tough))) In the hospital were recorded)))
  16. nycsson
    nycsson 3 July 2013 23: 29 New
    +1
    Quote: rolik
    Good))) And who put it on the province ???

    Who cares who put it? A person works and the result of his work is visible.
    Quote: rolik
    Are there people in power with an ideally spotless past ????

    Of course there are.
    Quote: rolik
    For example, I really do not want to again witness the "New Thinking" and other feces.

    You will soon witness the end of Russia if your idol does not change his attitude towards the country and people.
  17. rolik
    rolik 4 July 2013 00: 16 New
    0
    Quote: nycsson
    Who cares who put it? A person works and the result of his work is visible.

    Jumping to the side again. Who cares. what difference does it make a big difference. say it yourself. that Putin around himself puts some thieves. Or isn’t it ??? Oh yes, I forgot, there is such a sort of people who spit in the eyes, all of God's dew.
    The end of the world will soon come when you and your swamp friends come to power.
    And who said that GDP is my idol ??? Give a link to my words, where it is written in black and red - GDP is my idol. As far as I remember, but I remember very well, I always said that if a worthy person appears, I will go to vote for him with both hands. At this time, this is not, therefore, an alternative to GDP ... has not yet been observed. About those blue thieves, who are recommended here speech can not go at all.
    The only watered. whose leader I have always respected, respect, and will respect, this is Primakov. He could become president, but alas, he won’t. Age is not the same.
    And I repeat once again, for all sorts of shit, there are no worthy candidates ready to take the helm of Russian governance into their own hands. And to offer thieves, excuse me, kiss them yourself.
  18. nycsson
    nycsson 3 July 2013 18: 21 New
    +2
    Quote: rolik
    And whom is a nice person you want to put on a throne ??? Name the candidate please))))

    There would be a throne, but there would be a candidate. There are many worthy people in Russia. The system is built in such a way that everyone says who, if not him !?
  19. rolik
    rolik 3 July 2013 19: 16 New
    -1
    Quote: nycsson
    If there was a throne, there would be a candidate

    Well, yes, yes))) A good answer))) In the style of Porthos:
    - I fight, because - I fight)))
  20. nycsson
    nycsson 3 July 2013 23: 33 New
    0
    Quote: rolik
    Well, yes, yes))) A good answer))) In the style of Porthos:
    - I fight, because - I fight)))

    Yes, better than yours! In addition, there are no worthy people in our country! Breed of a mare siva!
  • Denis
    Denis 3 July 2013 22: 04 New
    0
    Quote: nycsson
    collect signatures of distrust of the country's leadership. And remove them from power
    And with whom, his leadership, to replace it?
    And where is the insurance against the same rake?
    1. nycsson
      nycsson 3 July 2013 23: 36 New
      -2
      Quote: Denis
      And with whom, his leadership, to replace it?

      And this will be decided by the people through elections.
      Quote: Denis
      And where is the insurance against the same rake?

      And insurance is as follows: you need to stop drinking and smoking, read the Constitution and other legal acts.
    2. Denis
      Denis 4 July 2013 00: 31 New
      +1
      Quote: nycsson
      And the insurance is as follows: you need to quit drinking and smoking, read the Constitution and other legal acts
      Alas, words, words are just words
      Here the author of many crazy ideas also offers a way out:
  • rolik
    rolik 4 July 2013 11: 26 New
    0
    Quote: Denis
    And where is the insurance against the same rake?

    Yes, they have no insurance. The usual chasing of air. We supposedly true patriots, but they just leaned against the outlaws. And as it comes down to the matter, usually such patriots stick their tongue in one place and sit quietly at home.
    Remember the movie "Simulator" is called, there Sklyar plays a speech simulator. When they put him in a psychiatric hospital, there was one insane person who fought every day for something new. So Sklyar’s favorite phrase, every day, was:
    - Serge! what are you fighting for today?)))))
  • nycsson
    nycsson 3 July 2013 11: 19 New
    +6
    Quote: S_mirnov
    Well, it doesn’t happen that friends of the GDP buy yachts and football clubs for boogorm and rockets fly.

    And it won’t work out until the leaders of the country are state officials who think about the country and its people, and not about how much dough to cut off from the budget!
    1. rolik
      rolik 3 July 2013 15: 38 New
      -3
      Quote: nycsson
      And it won’t work out until the leaders of the country are state officials,

      I ask the names of the statesmen. Ivashov should not be called; he will not go to the presidency. And empty PR is not needed.
  • AlNick
    AlNick 4 July 2013 08: 33 New
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    Another concealment of squandered state money. The launch is unsuccessful, the satellites are not insured.
    So the question begs, as in one famous novel: "Was there a boy?"
    But were there any satellites at all, and in what condition were they ???
  • bunta
    bunta 3 July 2013 08: 46 New
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    It was also decided to establish the Space Rocket corporation", which will be transferred to all shares of disparate enterprises of the Rocket and Space Cooperation.


    Something is bothering me in Honduras. Also create a corporation or what? He seems to have one recipe for all problems - the creation of corporations. The fact that now the creation of these "corporations" distracts people from direct work does not bother anyone.





    In particular, the To create a joint-stock company, it is necessary to transform all FSUEs into JSC and conduct an in-depth analysis of all the property that is owned by these enterprises.


    "To create an oil pancake, you need to spread it with oil" - a deep thought.
    1. Canep
      Canep 3 July 2013 08: 53 New
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      It was not necessary to appoint Ragozin to this matter, but Zhirinovsky, I think he would have for such a poh..izm all Roscosmos would send for logging.
      1. S_mirnov
        S_mirnov 3 July 2013 10: 46 New
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        "and appoint this matter, and Zhirinovsky," - Is it not yet clear to Komut that Zhirinovsky, Zyuganov and other leaders of the Duma parties are no more than obedient puppets of the Kremlin? Created for the illusion of choice for the people of the Russian Federation.
        1. nycsson
          nycsson 3 July 2013 12: 09 New
          +5
          Quote: S_mirnov
          Is it not yet comute that Zhirinovsky, Zyuganov and other leaders of the Duma parties are nothing more than obedient puppets of the Kremlin? Created for the illusion of choice for the people of the Russian Federation.

          The fact of the matter is that it is not clear to everyone! 1-2 out of a thousand understand this! If the majority understood this, then these “figures” would have been put to the wall a long time ago! The show goes on! And we can only watch. We must pay tribute to our enemies, they all came up well! Destroy the country with our own hands! crying
      2. nycsson
        nycsson 3 July 2013 11: 20 New
        +3
        Quote: Canep
        It was not necessary to appoint Ragozin to this matter, but Zhirinovsky, I think he would have for such a poh..izm all Roscosmos would send for logging.

        Well yes! This clown was still missing there! wassat
      3. 0255
        0255 3 July 2013 13: 24 New
        +3
        Zhirik only occasionally says the right thing, but things do not go beyond empty promises. Previously, he looked at his performances only to make friends with him, but now he is shown only by Solovyov and NTV in programs such as "Meat History of All-Russian Deception." And he has not brought such ratings to television as in the 90s
      4. Hon
        Hon 3 July 2013 15: 34 New
        +2
        Quote: Canep
        It was not necessary to appoint Ragozin to this matter, but Zhirinovsky, I think he would have for such a poh..izm all Roscosmos would send for logging.

        Better Nikita Dzhigurd so funnier
    2. vadimN
      vadimN 3 July 2013 11: 32 New
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      And note - the idea of ​​all the "reforms" is the same:
      - the creation of new management structures;
      - revision of property;

      In simple words: spawn officials and give them something to steal.
  • dustycat
    dustycat 3 July 2013 09: 19 New
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    The problems of "protons" did not begin in 2010.
    And immediately, as soon as imported components began to get into the “protons”, and as the kickbacks spread and the kickback system penetrated into Roscosmos. What was inevitable after production control (acceptance by the first department) was removed from the KGB / FSB.
    Too much money circulated there so that they could control themselves.
    1. nycsson
      nycsson 3 July 2013 11: 24 New
      +4
      Quote: dustycat
      And immediately, as soon as imported components began to fall into the “protons,” as the kickbacks spread and the kickback system penetrated into Roscosmos.

      I generally keep quiet about imported components! What do you need to be in order to be allowed into the Russian cosmonautics ?! Who, you fools, will supply quality products ?! wassat These details are any with a switch !!! He pressed the button and that’s it, 4.5 billion Russian budget money down the drain! am Evil is not enough! am
      1. Konsmo
        Konsmo 3 July 2013 15: 20 New
        +2
        Yes, they will supply for money. Remember about Lenin’s phrase about the rope.
        The trick is different. All chip companies have a catalog. Where it is written for fools that these microcircuits are for home, the temperature is permissible from +10 to + 30. But these are tested at -50 + 60 but they cost 5 times more. And these are checked for increased vibration. And they have the same name.
        As was the case in the Soviet Union. Let’s say the installer flies to Komsomolsk or Baikonur, or to Yantar in Kaliningrad. The CNC (industrial computers) were removed by machine tools and robots. The CNC repairmen should come to us. The guys need to be checked and poured several boards onto the table to guaranteed he had a set of robust components. Naturally, everyone interested came in 1-2 days did, received a business trip, a prize and everything in openwork. Imagine flying to Moscow several times to Komsomolsk if you didn’t do it right away or sewn for weeks. The bosses will rape in all poses. Yes, and the adjustment class shows it. Again, bonuses, UP salary and so on.
        Further, next to the boards, 0.5 liter of alcohol is put, well, of course, not for 10-20 boards. It happened also in money. Well, within a reasonable amount, they all knew each other.
        You take this board brand new from the factory and drive to the stand. We made our own ways, put the boards on insulation and adjusted the temperature of the boards to 70-80 degrees, really for 100. In factories in Kursk-Schetmash, for example, we checked up to 45 degrees in total. For vibration they also checked if necessary. In short, after such a check, several microcircuits were dead on the board. They changed. And again. Some manufacturers of MCs, for example, Baku, were immediately cut off from the boards without checking. . Soldered normal. Zelenograd Smolensk, but not all.
        If after the second check 1 hour is normal. Everything, you can send or fight with enemies like Kalashnikov to Alpha Centauri. This was our personal guarantee. A man flew, bathed in Amur, did all things including paper ones. And he came to Moscow happy.
        Yes, alcohol was the sea because it relied on the standards for electronic engineers.
        Then you take this alcohol and you go to a turner and a locksmith to make (restore) the mechanism of a fucking sofa that did not really fold out. wink
        Moreover, my mother worked for 15 years on painting instruments for space, and the board cover is protective. That is, probably everything from the end of 70 to the beginning of 90 passed through her hands.
        If there are no Chinese and traitor enemies on the forum, I’ll tell you how they did it so that it would not fall or explode. am
  • papss
    papss 3 July 2013 09: 59 New
    0
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Quote: retired
    I have never heard such a harsh statement addressed to ROSKOSMOS by Rogozin.

    from Rogozin there are only tough declarations, but there are no hard cases. Damn, what in Rogozin found a panacea? So what did he do at all in his posts, which he now occupies in a heap of industries? One blah blah blah and no more figs.

    I agree ...
    However, given that the accident caused a great resonance and, of course, requires a close analysis of the causes of this kind of technical failure
    everything is done, that this is resonance and requires analysis ... only a formidable face ...
  • Very old
    Very old 3 July 2013 10: 00 New
    +5
    Tough matters do not depend on him, and you, Alexander, know this. At his posts he was not the only one with legs and arms, and he broke his head. Such difficult posts. This is not the Ministry of Culture, not the Unified State Examination to draw (well, etc.)
  • Alekseev
    Alekseev 3 July 2013 10: 24 New
    +5
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    One blah blah blah and no more figs.

    Absolutely accurate definition! good
    But, on the other hand, what can Rogozin do if he has never worked as a secretary-referent and a talker-politician in his life? request
    Generals, including from industry (and not effective managers wink ) as is well known, but apparently not for everyone, they are not born, but become.
    Take almost any enterprise, including the military-industrial complex. There, as a rule, around the director in senior positions with considerable salaries, a handful of relatives and friends crowded around. Even, sometimes, without a specialized education, yes, yes!
    The boss only thinks about how he will last two or three years and during this time he will provide for himself and his relatives for life, then start an average business.
    A bad person knows that there is no hard demand now.
    And they think they should work engineers, with a much lower salary. A sort of "technical slaves."
    This is where the root cause of failure, and not at all the mythical "view in which there is a rocket and space industry in Russia"
  • Oleg14774
    Oleg14774 3 July 2013 10: 32 New
    +4
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    from Rogozin there are only tough declarations, but there are no hard cases. Damn, what in Rogozin found a panacea? So what did he do at all in his posts, which he now occupies in a heap of industries? One blah blah blah and no more figs.

    And in addition to the text of the article: ... with the transfer of this particular corporation to all state shares that are now run by disparate enterprises of the rocket and space industry, "Rogozin said.
    THAT is why the rockets began to explode. To transfer everything to private hands. First the army, then supposedly it was a mistake, now the RAS, and Roscosmos. Reminds 9.11. and towers are gemini in the USA. So that the people themselves already said: Enough is enough, but tired! And they put Rogozin ?! Oh, that'cool! It was cool under Stalin, and here they drive the fool. Under the USSR, if a rocket exploded, it was found very quickly and efficiently, because the missiles stopped falling, and then one by one.
    What can I comment on here. They began to praise Putin in the West, and I really don't like it!
    1. nycsson
      nycsson 3 July 2013 12: 12 New
      +4
      Quote: Oleg147741
      They began to praise Putin in the West, and I really don't like it!

      He has one of the main roles in this performance! I watch it and "enjoy", so much so that my hair is on end! crying
  • rolik
    rolik 3 July 2013 10: 42 New
    +3
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    from Rogozin there are only tough calls, but there are no hard cases

    Well, yes, so far there is only one talking room from him. More was expected, but things weren’t. I really did not want to be disappointed in him, but gradually the realization came that it was more a talker bird. than the head.
    Landing in Roscosmos has long been ripe. Popovkin and the young lady 4 years ago had to kick out of the chair with a kick in the ass. But ... as they say "Until the thunder strikes ....". Popovkin is such a stool, only in another department. Wait, if it’s being withdrawn now, such withdrawn funds will pop up.
    1. Hon
      Hon 3 July 2013 15: 58 New
      +2
      Quote: rolik
      Popovkin and the young lady 4 years ago had to kick out of the chair with a kick in the ass.

      Drive them to Rosnano laughing
  • nycsson
    nycsson 3 July 2013 10: 53 New
    +3
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    from Rogozin there are only tough declarations, but there are no hard cases. Damn, what in Rogozin found a panacea? So what did he do at all in his posts, which he now occupies in a heap of industries? One blah blah blah and no more figs.

    All this is the result of a systemic crisis that Roskosmos did not pass by! Management effectiveness tends to zero. In good times, they would all be put to a stake and shown on TV so that the drgim was not disobedient. And Rogozin as well. As an official in charge of this industry! am
    But the conclusion is the same: we go with the ax to the bottom and no clearance! Three years of sheer setbacks! crying
    1. Andrey Skokovsky
      Andrey Skokovsky 3 July 2013 13: 19 New
      -1
      Quote: nycsson
      All this is the result of a systemic crisis that Roskosmos did not pass by! Management effectiveness tends to zero. In good times, they would all be put to a stake and shown on TV so that the drgim was not disobedient. And Rogozin as well. As an official in charge of this industry! am
      But the conclusion is the same: we go with the ax to the bottom and no clearance! Three years of sheer setbacks! crying


      Sorry of course, but your position is more than clear:
      Putin is a disguised enemy and is to blame
      enemies around
      all on the bunks
      We go into the abyss, there is no clearance ....

      maybe you don’t need to clog the forum with dozens of the same type of meaningless messages, otherwise people's opinions are also interesting ....
      1. nycsson
        nycsson 3 July 2013 13: 39 New
        +3
        Quote: Andrey Skokovsky
        Sorry of course, but your position is more than clear:
        Putin is a disguised enemy and is to blame
        enemies around
        all on the bunks
        We go into the abyss, there is no clearance ....

        And there is....
        Quote: Andrey Skokovsky
        maybe you don’t need to clog the forum with dozens of the same type of meaningless messages, otherwise people's opinions are also interesting ....

        May be. I’ll figure it out without you ....
  • vadimN
    vadimN 3 July 2013 11: 24 New
    +6
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    from Rogozin there are only tough declarations, but there are no hard cases.


    The perfect truth! Rogozin is nothing more than a simple populist on a patriotic theme. In addition to high-profile statements, no real business.


    And as for the state commission ... It is not necessary to create a state commission, but a simple investigative group from the FSB and the SK, and give them complete freedom of action, regardless of their faces and ranks.
    1. Hon
      Hon 3 July 2013 16: 01 New
      +1
      Quote: vadimN
      investigation team from the FSB and the UK

      The UK is currently busy fighting the prosecutor’s office for the gambling prosecutor Ignatenko, not up to space now.
  • lelikas
    lelikas 3 July 2013 11: 36 New
    +2
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    So what did he do at all in his posts

    Well, at least with every hit on the TV screen, it occupies an increasing area ..... (screen)

    And the statements last time were vows - but now they’ll definitely fly ,,,,,
  • little man
    little man 3 July 2013 13: 50 New
    -1
    Interestingly, what powers does Rogozin have?
    Here Shoigu can be demoted, imprisoned. What can he do?
    When on top are varyugs, and below are loafers and slobs.
    1. Konsmo
      Konsmo 3 July 2013 15: 46 New
      +1
      To begin with, at least make a fixed salary of at least 40000 rubles. For everyone who comes into contact with space (including cleaners), I watched the engines in a row, the aircraft are true on TV. I don’t remember either Khrunichev or Lyulka in the frame like Schumacher in Formula 1. Past the engines, such a turn turned there really, see 10-15 before it hit.
      It’s not a fact that a couple of times a month it doesn’t fly in. Well, they poked x ... what.
      I mean, the kids in the Emirates ski and the pros sit on 12-15 thousand. Here, and to sin, not far away, to make the goat’s face to the authorities so that they kick.
  • domokl
    domokl 3 July 2013 08: 20 New
    10
    Quote: retired
    Landing will be! And by no means to the moon or Mars

    It’s doubtful that Rogozin was not very soft at the very beginning. And what? They fall, drown, don’t fly. They'll find a switchman, to be more exact, they will always be in order. all and sundry, up to private offices ...
    The same fate, God forbid, awaits some of our military missiles ...
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 3 July 2013 08: 28 New
      +4
      I saw the plot this morning with this statement by Rogozin. It seemed that he almost did it in a rage. I certainly haven’t seen him yet. Yes, even out of a sense of self-preservation, someone will put someone. And not the switchman ... Something resonant will happen in our space program. Something that has not yet happened. Well, I have a hunch ...
      1. baltika-18
        baltika-18 3 July 2013 08: 45 New
        14
        Quote: retired
        Yes, even out of a sense of self-preservation, someone will put someone.

        Philologists usually have beautiful words ....
        Rogozin is a pawn. They can certainly pack the switchman.
        But doesn’t it seem strange to you that the “Protons” fall only with GLONAS satellites, and without satellites everything is usually normal.
        A thought sometimes arises, they can cover up elementary theft with these unsuccessful launches, instead of satellites, dummies are loaded, launched, blew up, money is in your pocket, they will scold, calm down and .... system problems will be solved.
        1. pensioner
          pensioner 3 July 2013 09: 05 New
          0
          Quote: baltika-18
          Thought sometimes arises. They can cover up elementary theft with these unsuccessful launches, instead of satellites

          I can’t even imagine how SUCH possible. Even theoretically. Well this is how many people should be in collusion !! The number of all kinds of controls before the release of the final “product” is enormous. And after each act of control, a trace remains. Trace of a specific person. In general - I can’t imagine how it is - with dummies ...
          1. baltika-18
            baltika-18 3 July 2013 09: 30 New
            +7
            Quote: retired
            I can’t even imagine how SUCH possible.

            I basically too. But .....
            2010 year-3 GLONAS satellite.
            2013 year-3 GLONAS satellite.
            1. pensioner
              pensioner 3 July 2013 09: 42 New
              +9
              Quote: baltika-18
              2010 year-3 GLONAS satellite.
              2013 year-3 GLONAS satellite.

              I’ve been wandering around for a long time now: they’re not letting me create my own global positioning system. Can numerous malicious "bookmarks" made by our Taiwanese friends in electronics work? My friend yesterday about the Proton accident (offhand) said that the missile control system failed. At the program level. I used to trust him in these matters ...
              1. baltika-18
                baltika-18 3 July 2013 11: 09 New
                +2
                Quote: retired
                I’ve been wandering around for a long time now: they’re not letting me create my own global positioning system.

                It is quite possible. The Proton-M is mainly falling with satellites. 2006,2007,2008-Arabic, Japanese, American satellites were buried. Our people spoke about.
                Not a big competitive war?
            2. nycsson
              nycsson 3 July 2013 11: 29 New
              +4
              Quote: baltika-18
              I basically too. But .....
              2010 year-3 GLONAS satellite.
              2013 year-3 GLONAS satellite.

              Someone clearly does not want this GLONASS to work at full capacity!
        2. Z.A.M.
          Z.A.M. 3 July 2013 09: 31 New
          +5
          Quote: baltika-18
          Philologists usually have beautiful words .... Rogozin is a pawn.


          “The issue of leading cadres deserves a separate discussion. As you know, for many years, the current head of the Presidential Administration, Sergey Ivanov, has held the post of deputy prime minister for the military-industrial complex. His leadership in the military-industrial complex will have wonderful public relations events like attaching the GLONASS receiver to the presidential labrador Koni. a wonderful explanation of why this major boss watched intrepidly for several years as his subordinates, under the guise of working on GLONASS, were stealing billions.

          Fit for him and the successor, Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin. This one expresses himself in images and dreams that glorious Russian scientists will invent something that will help “cut the corner”, catch up and overtake the West in the field of modern technologies. At the same time, both of them were, to put it mildly, unable to carry out their daily work - to build industrial cooperation, to resolve conflict situations. In short, Dmitry Fedorovich Ustinov, secretary of the Central Committee of the CPSU, is not suitable for soles. I'm not talking about ideology, I'm talking about organizational skills. Well, the Lord did not. Therefore, they compensate for the lack of ability to search for enemies and inflate the cheeks. "

          A. Goltz

          Source: ej.ru
          1. fisherman
            fisherman 3 July 2013 10: 00 New
            0
            Do not tell me where you can listen to the recording? I want to listen to the pronunciation of the letter "p" :)
            1. pensioner
              pensioner 3 July 2013 12: 17 New
              0
              Quote: fisherman
              Do not tell me where you can listen to the recording? I want to listen to the pronunciation of the letter "p" :)

              You think "A." - Abram?
        3. dustycat
          dustycat 3 July 2013 09: 32 New
          0
          Well, why only with GLONAS?
          Since 1991, with whose only they did not fall.
          Moreover, the first six fell from "according to the built-in control devices, the destruction occurred as a result of a strong internal dynamic impact in the area of ​​the fairing."
          Interesting wording?

          This is a very expensive market in which all means are good.
          By the way, the first wave of falls stopped after some foreign players in this market became large shareholders of some suppliers of Roscosmos. But not all.
          Now everyone will take control.
          Those who want to control this more strongly.
        4. nycsson
          nycsson 3 July 2013 11: 28 New
          +1
          Quote: baltika-18
          A thought sometimes arises, they can cover up elementary theft with these unsuccessful launches, instead of satellites, dummies are loaded, launched, blew up, money is in your pocket, they will scold, calm down and .... system problems will be solved.

          If so, then our country does not have long to live !!! crying
        5. vadimN
          vadimN 3 July 2013 11: 43 New
          +2
          Quote: baltika-18
          instead of satellites, dummies loaded


          Well, with dummies, probably too much :)) But the fact that our western friends are extremely unnecessary for the domestic navigation system is a fact. While we are seated on their GPS, we are controllable and controllable. And we have enough hangovers from among the home-grown liberals or kush-hungry bureaucrats. For a fraction of a small bit, the wrong piece of iron will be fastened to the Glonasov’s rocket, and the job is done ...
          ... That's why I say it again: to stabilize the situation in Roscosmos, neither corporations nor reforms are necessary ... We need an FSB investigation team on an ongoing basis!
        6. cosmos111
          cosmos111 3 July 2013 14: 36 New
          +1
          Quote: baltika-18
          cover theft, instead of satellites dummies

          Took off the tongue good So it is. There is no rocket with satellites, there is no problem. Ends, heptyl into "water" in Kazakhstani land.
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 3 July 2013 08: 46 New
        +1
        Quote: retired
        It seemed that he almost did it in a rage.

        Indeed, it seemed to you that rage and thunder are his usual state.
        Quote: retired
        Yes, even out of a sense of self-preservation

        Yesterday Ignotenko was already imprisoned. Well, you are still a naive person, we have many participants in victories, and you’ll see a damn about defeats.
        1. pensioner
          pensioner 3 July 2013 09: 19 New
          +3
          Well, let’s see, we’ll see ... It’s just that the job will not end with someone’s retirement.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 3 July 2013 09: 39 New
            0
            Quote: retired
            .Someone retirement is definitely not going to end.

            One question is, how many missiles have fallen lately, how many losses were ... and who was planted?
            1. pensioner
              pensioner 3 July 2013 10: 07 New
              0
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              One question is how many missiles lately fell

              Quantity will go into quality anyway. Dialectics, however ...
              1. nycsson
                nycsson 3 July 2013 11: 33 New
                +3
                Quote: retired
                Quantity will go into quality anyway. Dialectics, however ...

                Have you seriously written this? belay
            2. nycsson
              nycsson 3 July 2013 11: 33 New
              +1
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              One question is how many missiles lately fell, how many losses were

              In three years, seven protons! Losses 27 billion rubles!
          2. nycsson
            nycsson 3 July 2013 11: 32 New
            +1
            Quote: retired
            Seeing someone retire is definitely not going to end.

            Very naive ..... This is the worst thing that threatens them ....
      3. dustycat
        dustycat 3 July 2013 09: 21 New
        +6
        You will be angry when the Prosecutor’s Office does not see the corpus delicti in the materials submitted by the Counting Commission.
        Especially on the day when the former deputy prosecutor of gaming salons is released after all the other defendants in the case were released with the words "go and do not sin."
      4. nycsson
        nycsson 3 July 2013 11: 26 New
        +1
        Quote: retired
        And not the switchman ... Something resonant will happen in our space program. Something that has not yet happened. Well, I have a hunch ...

        Here you are naive ..... let's see what happens there ....
    2. dustycat
      dustycat 3 July 2013 09: 20 New
      0
      Given the amount of budget money and interest on orders from Rogozin and all other single individuals, hands are short.
    3. S_mirnov
      S_mirnov 3 July 2013 10: 27 New
      +4
      "But the thing is different-Roscosmos launches rockets, and they do everything for everyone, right up to private offices." - corruption has hit our state in all areas and Roscosmos is no exception! And it is already becoming clear that the modern state apparatus is unable to cope with corruption, or rather does not want to!
      1. nycsson
        nycsson 3 July 2013 11: 35 New
        +3
        Quote: S_mirnov
        And it is already becoming clear that the modern state apparatus is unable to cope with corruption, or rather does not want to!

        Of course he doesn’t want to! What for? So live well!
    4. knn54
      knn54 3 July 2013 14: 04 New
      0
      domoki: The same fate, God forbid, awaits some of our war missiles ...
      I agree. Until there will be a domestic element base, electronic components, in the first place, there will be no sense. And this is not the first time. It seems that the purchase of Chinese trash through one-day companies continues.
      By the way, in the USA there were crashes of combat aircraft due to the failure of the avionics; they also delivered the Chinese. They sorted out quickly and toughly.
  • Phantom Revolution
    Phantom Revolution 3 July 2013 08: 52 New
    +7
    It seems to me that they did.

    And about the "Tough answer" I recall this song.
    1. Canep
      Canep 3 July 2013 08: 56 New
      +5
      In the Glonas project, theft was discovered at one time, it is very likely that there were no satellites on board the Proton, or they were inoperative. And now we can say that there were satellites, and write off loot.
      1. Phantom Revolution
        Phantom Revolution 4 July 2013 11: 15 New
        0
        Quote: Canep
        In the Glonas project, theft was discovered at one time, it is very likely that there were no satellites on board the Proton, or they were inoperative. And now we can say that there were satellites, and write off loot.

        I refer to this version more, painfully strange coincidences with the satellites were glonas, they either disappeared at the bottom of the sea, then they poured fuel into a rocket, then it exploded altogether.
        Looks nobly stole.
    2. nycsson
      nycsson 3 July 2013 11: 39 New
      +2
      Quote: Phantom Revolution
      And about the "Tough answer" I recall this song.

      Good song! Straight to the topic! wassat
  • T-100
    T-100 3 July 2013 09: 09 New
    +3
    I have never heard such a harsh statement addressed to ROSKOSMOS by Rogozin. Landing will be! And by no means to the moon or Mars. Take a closer look. But far enough from Moscow. Good morning everybody!

    Is it too late ???
  • buzuke
    buzuke 3 July 2013 09: 27 New
    +2
    already stung by these strict conversations. it is necessary to create a state control and technical department and a response from it at each defense enterprise, so that it is the state control that performs technical control at every stage. then the mace will fly, and the proton.
  • Skiff
    Skiff 3 July 2013 09: 27 New
    +3
    Well, apart from the chatter, there’s no business, I’m basically watching only our satellites fall, but we launch the aliens and almost everything normally flies, do not you think that this is either sabotage or frank betrayal !!?
  • Very old
    Very old 3 July 2013 09: 55 New
    +2
    Yuri, I don’t believe in planting. They promised 10 years ago ... To calmly understand the situation in the most important industry, draw the right conclusions, and only then ...
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 3 July 2013 10: 16 New
      0
      Valentine! Yes God bless them with landings! Not only did I mean them. The sum of adverse events in the space sphere is already such that it overcame in its magnitude a certain threshold value with which the authorities were still ready to put up. What will follow as a result - while we do not know. But I have confidence that something SUCH will happen that has not yet happened. The options are spinning in my head, but oh well ... Landing then - they are in sight.
      And in order to at least explain something to the public about the failures, it’s easier to start with them ...
  • avt
    avt 3 July 2013 10: 02 New
    +3
    Quote: retired
    I have never heard such a harsh statement addressed to ROSKOSMOS by Rogozin.

    Aha laughing , especially the creation of a joint stock company - generally tin! laughing And most importantly, there are cadres, now, economic "amnesty will release and new" queens "will be ready for development, but not space, but assets collected in a bunch, all the shares of disparate enterprises of the Rocket and Space Cooperation." --- rephrasing Zheglov - here he will have a rookery, here love with interest, this is not a rifle in the workshop to grind. laughing Here it will be more daunting. Rogozcosmos and son.
    1. cosmos111
      cosmos111 3 July 2013 14: 45 New
      +1
      Quote: avt
      ,, queens "for the development, but not of space, but of assets collected in handfuls

      Without Lavrenty Pavlovich Beria, there is no way out .. am After clearing and stripping, this cesspool. New queens should appear.
  • nycsson
    nycsson 3 July 2013 10: 45 New
    +2
    Yesterday in Russia24 watched a special report on this topic. Proton-M is a rocket that has been in operation for over 50 years. There have been 387 launches during this time! Over the past three years, 7 launches have failed. The total damage amounted to 27 billion rubles !!! am The last accident cost the country 4.5 billion rubles !!! am An interview was shown with the head of a space institute, so he directly says there that this is not a failure of equipment, but the negligence of employees who did not assemble it correctly. am
    Conclusion: The management of Roscosmos has finished condoms, to say the least !!! am am am To shoot them all a little !!! am How much can this shame be observed?
  • waisson
    waisson 3 July 2013 07: 49 New
    +4
    Shoigu handed out to the generals "crackers"
    The Minister of Defense demanded that subordinates report for the implementation of each promise plan
    Yesterday morning, another military passion was boiling in a giant bowl of the Central Command Post of the General Staff: Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu held a "ritual" conference call with the military general. The faces of the commanders of the military districts and fleets on large plasma screens emitted a severe concentration - like graduates of military academies on state exams. The list of “burning” issues on the agenda was impressive:
    on the development of the new Angara missile system,
    on preparations for the deployment of Iskander complexes entering the Ground Forces,
    on the implementation of the state armament program of the army,
    about the problems of repair of military equipment and others.
    All these issues were, as they say, not for the general public, because the minister "to warm up" the meeting in the presence of a journalistic brotherhood spoke within the framework of the permissible and mainly only about the untimely maintenance and repair of military equipment. In particular, in the Southern Military District. There, according to him, last year the contractor of the state-owned Spetsremont OJSC fulfilled the plan by only 30%. In other words, repairmen "cured" only every third car out of 10. And this seriously affects the combat readiness of the units. Then Shoigu, adding a formidable basque to his voice, announced: "I am waiting for concrete proposals to rectify the situation." The great solitaire of such proposals before the meeting participants was laid out by Deputy Minister of Defense Yuri Borisov - but already behind closed doors.
    Witnesses of the further conversation later informed me that many had gotten from the minister “on crackers” - and not only because of the failure of the repair plans. And on the entire list of the agenda. Shoigu stubbornly demanded specifics from each commander: what, how and by what date do you intend to do to correct the situation? The answers of the generals are immediately taken in pencil: after the promised time they will have to report. Otherwise, you can’t move the matter.
    It so happened that on the day of the conference call at the Baikonur cosmodrome in Kazakhstan, our Proton booster rocket crashed and exploded. After this next disaster (including environmental), Kazakhstan will probably ask Russia to transfer launches to its territory (cosmodromes Plesetsk or Vostochny).
    Therefore, the question of the development of the new Angara missile system in Russia was among the first at the conference call ...
    1. fisherman
      fisherman 3 July 2013 07: 59 New
      0
      The Minister of Defense demanded that subordinates report for the implementation of each promise plan


      you won’t get spoiled with Kuzhugetovich :)
    2. baltika-18
      baltika-18 3 July 2013 08: 47 New
      +3
      Quote: waisson
      The Minister of Defense demanded that subordinates report for the implementation of each promise plan

      And what is a promise plan, and even in the army?
      The army actually ordered earlier.
      1. bunta
        bunta 3 July 2013 09: 19 New
        +2
        Quote: baltika-18
        And what is a promise plan, and even in the army?

        Well, like, it used to be "salute","officer’s word"...
      2. fisherman
        fisherman 3 July 2013 09: 21 New
        -2
        procurement plans for re-equipment

        they first make up
        1. baltika-18
          baltika-18 3 July 2013 09: 46 New
          +4
          Quote: fisherman
          procurement plans for re-equipment

          The name is strange, a promise plan. It sounds ridiculous.
          Then Shoigu should have a testament order. crying
          1. nycsson
            nycsson 3 July 2013 11: 48 New
            +3
            Quote: baltika-18
            The name is strange, a promise plan. It sounds ridiculous.

            Of course ridiculous, because there are strategic, tactical and operational plans!
      3. dustycat
        dustycat 3 July 2013 09: 41 New
        0
        In order to promise something concrete, one needs to think about it.
        And according to some information, freely walking on the network and in particular on sites similar to this, those who thought something under Serdyukov were all forced to resign.
        Who could promise him a specific one besides the standard "We'll figure it out! Guilty will be punished."
      4. nycsson
        nycsson 3 July 2013 11: 46 New
        +1
        Quote: baltika-18
        And what is a promise plan, and even in the army?
        The army actually ordered earlier.

        No wonder! When he tried to change the footcloths of the soldiers for socks, everything became clear to me! wassat
    3. dustycat
      dustycat 3 July 2013 09: 35 New
      +1
      And how long will it last on this manual control?
  • Denis
    Denis 3 July 2013 07: 51 New
    +5
    Extremely hard conclusions will be drawn from the crash of the Proton-M launch vehicle: the space-rocket industry will develop in a fundamentally different way
    Not conclusionsMEASURES Need
    Or at least a little memory. With the USSR's totalitarian, stagnant and different mongrel barking, I don’t remember such rain from missiles that did not reach the orbit
    1. Mizhgan
      Mizhgan 3 July 2013 08: 15 New
      +2
      Quote: Denis
      Or at least a little memory. With the USSR's totalitarian, stagnant and different mongrel barking, I don’t remember such rain from missiles that did not reach the orbit

      From wikipedia:
      Since 1967, 388 launches of the Proton LV have been made. Of these, 47 ended in failure during the operation of the first three stages and the upper stage.

      So, rockets do not fall only for those who do not launch them. In the United States also fall. Here the percentage should be looked at the number of starts. Although the Russian systematic nature of accidents completely kills me. Tough measures must be taken, and the qualification personnel issue should not be ignored.
      1. Denis
        Denis 3 July 2013 08: 23 New
        +2
        Quote: Mijgan
        systematic accidents completely kill me
        It is clear that you have to pay for knowledge and research and there will always be errors
        Only this becomes almost a regularity
        1. Mizhgan
          Mizhgan 3 July 2013 08: 38 New
          -3
          Quote: Denis
          Only this becomes almost a regularity

          That's it, I'm talking about the same. Here, not only the ruble must be punished, but also take more severe measures ... And then along the way relaxed during the time of Gorbachev-Yeltsin with their programs, perestroika, freedom-of-speech-action.
          1. Denis
            Denis 3 July 2013 09: 05 New
            +1
            Quote: Mijgan
            perestroika, freedom of speech, action.
            Then I dare to correct: disaster, freedom of inaction , in short, "Steal who can!"
          2. Karabin
            Karabin 3 July 2013 11: 35 New
            +5
            Quote: Mijgan
            And then along the way relaxed during the time of Gorbachev-Yeltsin

            And during Putin’s time, already 13 years, does everyone go on the beat?
            1. nycsson
              nycsson 3 July 2013 11: 50 New
              +2
              Quote: Karabin
              And during Putin’s time, already 13 years, does everyone go on the beat?

              He laughed heartily! laughingOh, when will all this disgrace end ?! request How much patience does our people have ?! request
      2. baltika-18
        baltika-18 3 July 2013 09: 04 New
        +3
        Quote: Mijgan
        Since 1967, 388 launches of the Proton LV have been made. Of these, 47 ended in failure during the operation of the first three stages and the upper stage.

        I would add that the majority of accidents occurred in the period from 1967 to 1970. The period of testing and debugging systems. This is in Soviet times. Yes and the "Protons" were different. In the period until 2000, "Proton-K." Since 2001 "Proton-M" -74 launches, 8 launches failed.
      3. nycsson
        nycsson 3 July 2013 11: 15 New
        +1
        Quote: Mijgan
        Although the Russian systematic nature of accidents completely kills me.

        In three years, seven failures! belay
  • Vanek
    Vanek 3 July 2013 07: 52 New
    +5
    Rocket and space industry will be reformed

    Recently, the word - Reform, causes not very decent associations.

    Hello to everyone. hi
    1. mark1
      mark1 3 July 2013 08: 04 New
      +7
      I’m afraid “reform” will come down to the next version of regulating cash flows in the industry (to the delight of someone) - here, not “reform” is needed, but a major overhaul of the system that was in the space industry under the USSR (with strict state regulation and general liability) , as well as general cleaning of all "near-space" and "near-missile" effective managers
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 3 July 2013 08: 48 New
      +2
      Quote: Vanek
      Rocket and space industry will be reformed

      Not from one reform I don’t see anything good, one swelling of the dough and that’s all. In the end, everyone begins to understand that before the reform it was better.
      Ivan hi
      1. nycsson
        nycsson 3 July 2013 11: 12 New
        +4
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        I don’t see anything good from one reform

        Well, which side to look at! Rather, you need to know what the goal of these reforms was! If the goal is collapse, then these reforms are even very effective! hi
  • kind
    kind 3 July 2013 08: 06 New
    +5
    In the form that Russia’s rocket and space industry now exists, we will not move further. "

    We in Russia save on everything: on the training of specialists, on science, etc., except for the salaries of officials. It would be better if this missile fell on the heads of Livanov, Manturov, Chubais, Serdyukov and the like. There would be more benefit than from destroyed satellites.
  • dominion
    dominion 3 July 2013 08: 08 New
    +2
    , we are able to reform it. It is not necessary to reform, but to make decent salaries in the industry, including for young professionals.
    Then you look and get better. Well, to increase responsibility for unsuccessful launches, to involve the FSB in the “debriefing of flights,” since business is clearly not without moles here.
  • Refund_SSSR
    Refund_SSSR 3 July 2013 08: 12 New
    +9
    Rogozin is already just a zero in my eyes.
    How much can all tryndet and all not in vain and only tryndet.
    And here is the next one: extremely hard conclusions will be made... but what the hell are the conclusions ?! all the more tough? !! It's time to give real terms!
    “No, we don’t need such hockey comrades” (C)
    1. nycsson
      nycsson 3 July 2013 11: 09 New
      +2
      Quote: We refund_SSSR
      Rogozin is already just a zero in my eyes.

      If only everything depended on him! They are all zeros there! am
  • domokl
    domokl 3 July 2013 08: 16 New
    +5
    Blah blah blah ... I already know what conclusions will be made - the head of Roscosmos to retire, the director of a factory in retirement. And a couple of engineers to the street ... And then, strengthen, increase, improve and completely exclude ...
    Delirium as usual. Until the rockets gather in a crowd, there will be no sense. In 7 nannies, the child is always without an eye ...
    And the second, it seems to me, there’s also a Russian Come on, let’s be to blame. All at once, and even faster. The main thing to report. And the staff is not Soviet anymore, young people came from Russian universities, with appropriate training.
    1. Karabin
      Karabin 3 July 2013 11: 39 New
      +6
      Quote: domokl
      Blah blah blah.

      What are you talking about Putin’s staging? Eyes ajar?
      1. nycsson
        nycsson 3 July 2013 11: 55 New
        +1
        Quote: Karabin
        What are you talking about Putin’s staging? Eyes ajar?

        Yah. After all that they have done, the eyes of the Russian people are all closed! Just think, the rocket fell - it's all the little things! laughing
  • Canep
    Canep 3 July 2013 08: 47 New
    +1
    The Deputy Prime Minister also assured that the accident did not cause catastrophic damage to the environment. "We hope that serious damage to the environment has not actually occurred," Rogozin said.

    On the radio, the news said that three companies of chemical protection were involved to eliminate the consequences of the fuel spill. I won’t be surprised if Kazakhstan prohibits Proton launches at all.
    According to Rogozin, telemetric data on the accident of the Proton-M launch vehicle are expected within two days.
    Telemetry, something coming from deep space.
    1. Z.A.M.
      Z.A.M. 3 July 2013 09: 26 New
      +5
      Quote: Canep
      Telemetry, something coming from deep space.
      wink
      Not - "Russian Post" laughing
      1. nycsson
        nycsson 3 July 2013 11: 08 New
        +1
        Quote: Z.A.M.
        Not - "Russian Post"

        That's right! wassat
  • Grigorich 1962
    Grigorich 1962 3 July 2013 08: 49 New
    +6
    Once an advanced industry turned into incomprehensible what! ... Failures after failure! Here everything has already mixed up, and as usual, the deplorable result. And they didn’t even get start-up insurance ..... arrogance is a bad comrade in such global projects. Reforming the industry is overripe ....... I hope that the conclusions will be drawn correctly.
    1. dustycat
      dustycat 3 July 2013 09: 51 New
      +2
      They will no longer be correct.
      All eggs are simply put into one holey basket, where anyone has access from behind a mound.
      Pay attention - Iran, China, India, Pakistan, Sevkorey, Japan, France, Matrasia - they move their entire space without letting anyone else in there and no foreign spare parts from companies not participating in the launch.
      And only in our company are unknown companies supplying spare parts and developments.
    2. nycsson
      nycsson 3 July 2013 11: 06 New
      +1
      Quote: Grigorich 1962
      I hope that the conclusions will be made correct.

      In three years, seven falls! And no conclusions! am
  • deman73
    deman73 3 July 2013 08: 51 New
    +5
    the next reality show for people of the type - we’ll catch everyone, we’ll punish everyone, but as usual there’s no sense only the dough will be stolen under this noise
    1. nycsson
      nycsson 3 July 2013 11: 04 New
      +2
      Quote: deman73
      another reality show for the people

      Yeah! The show goes on..... wassat
  • Imperial
    Imperial 3 July 2013 08: 53 New
    +3
    The fish goes dead from the head, and the high authorities chopped off the tails as always.
    1. fisherman
      fisherman 3 July 2013 09: 26 New
      -2
      in fact, in practice, the fish always goes dead from the belly :)
  • AVV
    AVV 3 July 2013 09: 13 New
    +1
    If this were the first time !!! In the meantime, the Russian budget is being sawed, everything will be repeated again and again. No serious conclusions have been made from previous accidents. No one was seriously injured. And under Stalin they would have been put to the wall long ago !!!
  • vladim.gorbunow
    vladim.gorbunow 3 July 2013 09: 17 New
    0
    Was there a satellite?
  • Sashkessss
    Sashkessss 3 July 2013 09: 20 New
    0
    It’s just that they must be planted by their designers and financing companies in the same rockets - they will lively fly to the Moon and to Mars ... Yes, even to Venus, if only they would land.
  • Yuri Y.
    Yuri Y. 3 July 2013 09: 37 New
    +2
    Quote: krasin
    The Americans do not want us to have our own positioning system.
    With their system we are on a silver platter.
    Definitely a sabotage! Many more mishandled, rip them up with the root!

    I also do not like some selectivity, in my opinion this is not the first case
    with GLONASS.
  • explorer
    explorer 3 July 2013 09: 37 New
    +5
    And how do you want: in 20 years of shit democracy, the middle link (30 to 45 years) was killed away - those who have experience, the desire to grow and do something, except to steal grandmothers. And it takes time to grow the middle link - 5 years at least. And without transferring the experience of generations, even longer. angry
    1. nycsson
      nycsson 3 July 2013 11: 02 New
      +1
      Quote: explorer
      And what do you want: in 20 years of shit, the middle link was killed away (from 30 to 45 years) - those who have experience, the desire to grow and do something, except to steal grandmothers. And it takes time to grow the middle link - at least 5 years. And without transferring the experience of generations and even longer

      I agree! I think that everything is going to ensure that in the near future we will simply be thrown out of space with such "efficiency" of work! Refuse our services .....
      1. Karabin
        Karabin 3 July 2013 12: 28 New
        +6
        Quote: nycsson
        we are simply thrown out of space with such "efficiency" of work! Refuse our services .....

        There is another option, and I am afraid that this will end - corporatization of the industry with the involvement of Western investors. And although they will leave the fig leaf in the form of 51% for the state, in essence there will be a private office. Then optimization, a certain narrow niche is under control from behind the hill.
        1. nycsson
          nycsson 3 July 2013 12: 42 New
          +3
          Quote: Karabin
          There is another option, and I am afraid that this will end - corporatization of the industry with the involvement of Western investors. And although they will leave the fig leaf in the form of 51% for the state, in essence there will be a private office. Then optimization, a certain narrow niche is under control from behind the hill.

          Say everything correctly! Most likely it will be so! The same nonsense has occurred with our auto industry! AvtoVAZ’s board of directors is headed by a certain leader from behind the hill! Rosneft is the second example, 20% of the shares do not belong to us, but this is enough to insert our own word in management!
        2. baltika-18
          baltika-18 3 July 2013 12: 56 New
          +3
          Quote: Karabin
          There is another option, and I am afraid that this will end - corporatization of the industry with the involvement of Western investors. And although they will leave the fig leaf in the form of 51% of the state, in fact there will be a private office

          But Rogozin has already voiced about the AO.
          The cunning privatization of Roscosmos?
  • pa_nik
    pa_nik 3 July 2013 09: 38 New
    +3
    "the rocket and space industry will develop in a fundamentally different way" - it was !!! stop Not okay... request invent something else. hi
  • family
    family tree 3 July 2013 09: 50 New
    +3
    “The conclusions will be made extremely harsh in this situation, and they will not only be connected with the search for, so to say, the guilty, or the guilty, they will touch on a number of more complex problems,” Rogozin said. “In the form in which there is now a space rocket industry of Russia, we will not move further. "
    Oh! That is why the work immediately came to mind. I mean Russian Railways. Each time, after an emergency, another order arrives, the beginning of which, like a carbon copy. "Despite the measures taken, the situation with labor safety at Russian Railways is getting worse." And the words of one cone from the top of Russian Railways "Do not want to work for this money, no one is holding, we’ll pick up Tajiks, there’s already a turn." So, along the way, everything will end with the next blah blah blah. And the assembly of "Protons" will recruit guest workers. Or have you already typed? Judging by how they fall? Or maybe in the design bureau and leadership, something like guest workers? Well, or of defective managers, in principle, one and the same thing, they don’t understand and do not know a damn thing, but they climb everywhere fool
  • fzr1000
    fzr1000 3 July 2013 09: 52 New
    +2
    Since 2005, from 25 to 32 launches per year. Of these, only one failed per year. Only in 2011 there were 4 unsuccessful launches.
  • olviko
    olviko 3 July 2013 10: 08 New
    0
    Quote: Denis
    Not conclusions, MEASURES needed
    Or at least a little memory. With the USSR's totalitarian, stagnant and different mongrel barking, I don’t remember such rain from missiles that did not reach the orbit


    Well, what did you want? That porridge, which was made by Gorbaty with EBN and K *, Russia will dissipate for another 50 years. Industry and science are ruined, with the training of specialists a complete failure - there are only managers, dealers and killers in the circle, personnel policy in the railway industry. It's amazing that at least something else flies.
  • Yuri Y.
    Yuri Y. 3 July 2013 10: 21 New
    0
    Quote: fzr1000
    Since 2005, from 25 to 32 launches per year. Of these, only one failed per year. Only in 2011 there were 4 unsuccessful launches.

    I’m talking about selectivity.
  • Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 3 July 2013 10: 34 New
    +4
    The space industry is on the very edge of the technology available to us. That is, this is the most complex and heavily loaded equipment that is being made on planet Earth. Why did it sprinkle, because "everything is worked out"?
    Yes, worked out. But in order for the most complicated engineering task to continue to be solved successfully, it is necessary to carry out work at the highest level each time. You can’t hire Tajiks ... This is the problem. In order for the engineering task to be carried out on the verge of art, the engineer must supervise the work, and in full, with all its aspects. Decisions at all levels must be made by engineers based on the needs and requirements of the equipment.
    All this completely and completely contradicts the modern management model adopted in our country and the world. Since decisions at all levels are made by managers and financiers, based on their own considerations. Even if you imagine (just imagine, I’m not a science fiction, but ...) that the manager thinks primarily not about career calculations, not about his own pocket but about the interests of the country, his decisions can be effective only by chance. The very system of thinking of these people, thanks to their training and experience, contradicts the solution of technical problems. And this is the perfect case!
    In reality, the picture is much worse. Mortally afraid that the engineers would kick him out of office, the manager steals as if the last hour had arrived. At the same time, furious hardware maneuvers are being carried out with the aim of "cleaning the battlefield" from potential competitors - they are kicked out, not promising posts are being transferred, real technicians are being harassed. Damned engineers should not be deprived of the shadow of influence on the situation, so as not to create threats to their careers and cash flows!
    Result? Cheap materials. Cheap job. Super expensive, but steadily falling astronautics ... Rogozin did not just disappoint me. This is all the pathetic babble that he offers. Yes, not just babble ... when carrying out what he says, it will be stolen and destroyed as much as it has not been stolen and spoiled in the country! Newly created structures will be "effective" ?! What hangover will be effective structures without competitors, with a single customer? All the advantages of capitalism (and so not very strong in such matters) are completely eliminated. All its shortcomings, problems and unsolvable contradictions are greatly strengthened. Cosmonautics to this day has simply rested on the fact that the old (really old, alas) personnel worked against the odds of everything. Contrary to his leadership in the first place ... The reform will completely destroy it. Those few people who still know how to launch rockets will inevitably part with the Matyuks. Just no strength ...
    1. nycsson
      nycsson 3 July 2013 10: 58 New
      +3
      Quote: Mikhail3
      All this completely and completely contradicts the modern management model adopted in our country and the world.

      There are few such failures in the world! You do not need to row all under one comb. It is primarily about our country!
      1. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 3 July 2013 12: 44 New
        0
        In the world of such failures many times more than ours. Maybe you didn’t notice - in the USA, for example, nitrogen fertilizer plants burst like silly balls ... In the same place, two teams of astronauts in shuttles were calmly burnt. A check of duty on the Strategic Missile Forces revealed that they all scored on missiles ... I have to write an article.
        1. nycsson
          nycsson 3 July 2013 13: 59 New
          +3
          Quote: Mikhail3
          In the world of such failures many times more than ours.

          For launch vehicles? Do not guess! They have much less failures. Yesterday in Russia24 showed them and our statistics.
  • Algor73
    Algor73 3 July 2013 10: 35 New
    +5
    The trouble is that everyone rushed to make money. It doesn’t matter which way - salaries, kickbacks, cuts, etc. But everyone earns! About the image, about responsibility, etc. long ago everyone forgot and scored. Money! -This is the main argument. Dropped to power, to the post - and drank until they took off. The age of the administrator is not long. With the moral aspect, reform must begin, and simply shuffling the administrators deck will not do anything.
    1. nycsson
      nycsson 3 July 2013 10: 55 New
      +3
      Quote: Algor73
      Reform must be started from the moral aspect, and simply shuffling the administrators deck will not do anything.

      Morality + increased responsibility!
      1. family
        family tree 3 July 2013 12: 05 New
        +2
        Quote: nycsson
        Morality + increased responsibility!

        Idealists have not yet translated, however. Only without knowledge and professionalism, even a moral and responsible donkey, will not cease to be a donkey.
        1. fisherman
          fisherman 3 July 2013 12: 52 New
          +2
          a moral and responsible donkey, don’t stop being a donkey.


          right, the donkey will always be a donkey :)

          there is such a DOBI by the name of Buffett, so he has a strict principle in the recruitment of new employees, the main thing is honesty, and his knowledge and high IQ are in 2nd and 3rd place (over time )
          1. family
            family tree 3 July 2013 13: 17 New
            +2
            Quote: fisherman
            there is such a DOBI by the name of Buffett, so he has a strict principle in the recruitment of new employees, the main thing is honesty, and his knowledge and high IQ are in 2nd and 3rd place (over time )

            Essno! An honest DSE, who has “graduated” from a paid faculty of economics and added a “hairy paw” to a well-paid position in the same RAO “UES”, will eventually become a cool power engineer. wassat He will also be moral and responsible, but what's the point?
            1. nycsson
              nycsson 3 July 2013 13: 50 New
              +2
              Quote: perepilka
              eventually become a cool energy engineer.

              It will become over time, if he has the ability to learn. Why do you think that all are stupid people?
        2. nycsson
          nycsson 3 July 2013 13: 48 New
          +2
          Quote: perepilka
          Idealists have not yet translated, however. Only without knowledge and professionalism, even a moral and responsible donkey, will not cease to be a donkey.

          If you do not have morality, then you will direct all your knowledge and all your experience to developing schemes for laundering dough and personal enrichment! Knowledge is given in the university, professionalism comes with experience.
          1. fisherman
            fisherman 3 July 2013 14: 49 New
            0
            If you do not have morality, then you will direct all your knowledge and all your experience to developing schemes for laundering dough and personal enrichment!


            the most amazing thing is that this banality (prose of life) caused a shock among the layman since Soviet times
          2. family
            family tree 3 July 2013 16: 16 New
            +1
            Quote: nycsson
            If you do not have morality, then you will direct all your knowledge and all your experience to developing schemes for laundering dough and personal enrichment! Knowledge is given in the university, professionalism comes with experience.

            belay Normally so, concepts change places, and poke me with this. laughing Very nice.
            Once again, to understand
            without knowledge and professionalism, even a moral and responsible donkey will not cease to be a donkey.
            и
            An honest DSE, who has “graduated” from a paid faculty of economics and added a “hairy paw” to a well-paid position in the same RAO “UES”, will eventually become a cool power engineer. wassat He will also be moral and responsible, but what's the point?
            And yes, everything is fine. A very moral and honest person, of course, can successfully build rockets, despite the lack of knowledge and skill. You say, these do not happen, and so, I will disappoint. A man who is honest and moral doesn’t understand a damn thing, but believes that he knows everything and is in his place, because he has a DIPLOMA, well, not true in his specialty, really, but what difference does it make? After all, the main thing is higher education. Well, dad, uncle, or father-in-law, well, not very little bosses. And what is immoral? Everyone does it. This is the norm. Bullshit is that he may not even understand that he is out of place. So think about who is better, classy specialist, who has problems with conscience, and who needs to be constantly monitored, or hopelessness, for which you need to work and control again, otherwise he will do this for a day that you won’t wash for a month
  • varov14
    varov14 3 July 2013 10: 39 New
    +5
    What conclusions is he going to draw? There is no proprietary electronics, I won’t be surprised if there are no ordinary working personnel. Who will do normal rockets if young people are eager to become sales managers and not to turners. It’s obvious that the old cadres have retired, but the new ones haven’t grown, and here the rockets rained down. Education must be put upside down, wages must be made appropriate, who will do it, temporary workers - grabbers? They hang noodles on the ears for 13 years, and things are still there, the last straw only blows away.
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  • Oleg
    Oleg 3 July 2013 10: 40 New
    -2
    sorry ... but beautifully for the whole world Russia 24 showed ... offset
  • Oleg
    Oleg 3 July 2013 10: 41 New
    +1
    sorry ... but beautifully for the whole world Russia 24 showed ... offset
  • Vtel
    Vtel 3 July 2013 10: 50 New
    +2
    In 2012, in the course of inspections initiated by the Federal Air Transport Agency, 4–6% of spare parts for aircraft were formally mismatched. March 14, 2013 it became known that a criminal case is being investigated on the fact of installing counterfeit parts at the 12th aircraft repair plant owned by Oboronservis; in particular, poor-quality repairs could cause the Mi-24 to crash in the Saratov region.

    Maybe they’ve already begun to install left-handed components on the rockets - for 5 minutes the flight is normal, and then the map will fall. Outsourcing is complete.
  • falcon
    falcon 3 July 2013 11: 01 New
    +2
    Medvedev, Rogozin, Popovkin - all familiar faces! Now they were overwhelmed by reformatory itching, and indeed
    a recipe from Chubais is ready - if something does not fly - you must definitely organize an OJSC (and that's it
    immediately there will be tip-top). It is recalled: "And you are friends, no matter how you sit down, everyone is not good at musicians!"
    And here you need a recipe from Joseph Vissarionovich!
  • fzr1000
    fzr1000 3 July 2013 11: 03 New
    +3
    Russia
    2005 year
    Total 26 launches. Successful 23.
    2006 year
    Number of launches: 25 Successful launches: 23
    2007 year
    Number of launches: 26 Successful launches: 25
    2008 year
    Number of launches: 27 Successful launches: 26
    2009 year
    Number of launches: 32 Successful launches: 31; 1 launch recognized as partially successful
    2010 year
    Number of launches: 31 Successful launches: 30
    2011 year
    Number of launches: 32. Successful launches: 28.
    2012 year
    Number of launches: 24. Successful launches: 23.
    2013 year
    Number of launches: 16. Successful launches: 15. Planned launches: 18
    1. Jin
      Jin 3 July 2013 11: 36 New
      +1
      So this is the total count. “Alliances”, thank God, fly, but “Protons” are not very good. Many are crashed and stable. Again, a full-fledged GLONAS is postponed ... so much dough and labor, everything is down the drain ...
  • Jin
    Jin 3 July 2013 11: 31 New
    +1
    And again, this word "reform" ... now all of these "reform". We still have something not reformed? Ohhh, no question, we are coming to you!
  • ed65b
    ed65b 3 July 2013 12: 03 New
    -2
    What did you gang up on Rogozin ???? You tell me where he messed up or what business messed up ?? the thought is correct. Poghosyan’s success with the KLA turned out to be PAK-FA flew planes being built are being designed, the industry is moving upward. So that's right. We will wait for changes. As Stalin said, to the Mehlis — they will not fight for Stalin but for their homeland. I wish Rogozin so that everything works out. The country is looking at him.
  • True
    True 3 July 2013 12: 08 New
    +1
    Putin, Motherland, Russia !!!
  • family
    family tree 3 July 2013 12: 08 New
    +2
    Quote: ed65b
    What did you gang up on Rogozin ????

    And so that the service did not seem to be honey! hi
  • vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 3 July 2013 12: 15 New
    +6
    In a country where everyone is stealing, it is useless to start some reforms until there is real responsibility, but with that just strained.
    1. family
      family tree 3 July 2013 13: 04 New
      +3
      Quote: vladsolo56
      In a country where everyone is stealing, it is useless to start some reforms until there is real responsibility, but with that just strained.

      They steal everywhere, not only in Russia. They stole under the king and the communists. And they will steal, a person is arranged in such a way, to tidy up what lies badly. The fact is that it is precisely such people who are a considerable part of the initiative ones. Anyone who does not need anything, and will not break into power, and he will send a career. Just live life, normal, normal life, I have nothing against. it’s simple, under the same communists, it used to be, and if you manage, you’ve grabbed a little, and you can see through your fingers, or bother on the party committee, but you’ll hang on the hook. In which case, this hook was remembered, and it worked steeper than the magic pendal. And now, the main thing is to master the loot, but the matter has faded into the background. Well, or at all upstairs, compra suitcases are prepared for each other, so they hold each other by the Adam's apple, bosom friends.
  • dudinez
    dudinez 3 July 2013 13: 16 New
    +1
    the percentage of unsuccessful launches in Russia and the United States is approximately equal (about 4,6%), but at the same time, the number of starts in Russia was approximately 2 times greater all these years. more accidents because more starts. The only alarming thing is that too often this trouble happens with GLONAS.
  • Furnace driver
    Furnace driver 3 July 2013 13: 20 New
    0
    Quote: retired
    it is necessary to convert all FSUEs into JSC
    privatization? otherwise, why remake 100% of FSUE in AO, where shares can be sold?
    came to Roskomos, here are the bastards.
  • Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 3 July 2013 13: 44 New
    0
    After the defeat of the system of military missions, such results are quite predictable.
  • USNik
    USNik 3 July 2013 14: 00 New
    0
    The Investigative Committee of Russia began pre-investigation verification of the accident.
    The main thing is that the commission would find a real reason and not as usual "properly sorted out and punished anyone" (s), to see the culprit in the person of the junior installer Vasya, who under-tightened the bolt by 10, would be ridiculous.
  • nazgul-ishe
    nazgul-ishe 3 July 2013 14: 25 New
    +1
    Each accident has a surname, first name and patronymic.
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  • razved
    razved 3 July 2013 14: 31 New
    +1
    the impression is that someone does not want GLONASS to work in full ...
  • Urri
    Urri 3 July 2013 15: 34 New
    0
    Quote: razved
    the impression is that someone does not want GLONASS to work in full ...


    It is clear who. We must look for saboteurs. I do not believe that the calculation of the filling volume is not checked. Even in the working drawing of the simplest parts according to GOST, there are 5 signatures, and 3 more in the margins. In the calculations no less. If not, then this is a garage, not Roscosmos. And if there is, then it is necessary as under Beria: the state security officer at the launch controlled the production with 2 rounds in the gun - 1 for the person responsible for the launch, the second for himself. Well, flew - the state award. Otherwise there will be no sense.
  • pensioner
    pensioner 3 July 2013 15: 39 New
    0
    Quote: dudinez
    the percentage of unsuccessful launches in Russia and the United States is approximately equal (about 4,6%), but at the same time, the number of starts in Russia was about 2 times greater all these years. more accidents because more starts.

    Or maybe really not everything is so scary ... Unpleasant of course ... But you need to finish the GLONASS theme! Now - at all costs! (In the sense that if for an adequate price it did not work out ...)
  • Dimanrus86
    Dimanrus86 3 July 2013 16: 17 New
    +2
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Quote: retired
    I have never heard such a harsh statement addressed to ROSKOSMOS by Rogozin.

    from Rogozin there are only tough declarations, but there are no hard cases. Damn, what in Rogozin found a panacea? So what did he do at all in his posts, which he now occupies in a heap of industries? One blah blah blah and no more figs.


    Yeah(
  • Yarosvet
    Yarosvet 3 July 2013 19: 58 New
    0
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  • 0255
    0255 3 July 2013 20: 13 New
    0
    Quote: fzr1000
    Russia
    2005 year
    Total 26 launches. Successful 23.
    2006 year
    Number of launches: 25 Successful launches: 23
    2007 year
    Number of launches: 26 Successful launches: 25
    2008 year
    Number of launches: 27 Successful launches: 26
    2009 year
    Number of launches: 32 Successful launches: 31; 1 launch recognized as partially successful
    2010 year
    Number of launches: 31 Successful launches: 30
    2011 year
    Number of launches: 32. Successful launches: 28.
    2012 year
    Number of launches: 24. Successful launches: 23.
    2013 year
    Number of launches: 16. Successful launches: 15. Planned launches: 18

    if they didn’t show this rocket launch live, then no one would say a word, we would not know about it
  • Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 3 July 2013 20: 58 New
    +2
    Dimanrus86

    Not a single pop was injured at launch or after. Although for low-quality work, they would have to answer.