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On the ruins of the friendship of nations

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The fewer Russians in Dagestan, the more often shots in the mountains


I am a Russian Dagestan. Born in the Dagestan Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic in 1937. Autonomous then she was under the Constitution of the USSR, and the Soviet and socialist - in essence. Traditional Islam, which was particularly developed in Dagestan during the time of Imam Shamil, peacefully coexisted with the Soviet government. The danger of radical Islamism appeared immediately after the collapse of the USSR in 1991.

The initiators of the collapse of the Union were unable to foresee that in this way they clear the way for a very dangerous foreign phenomenon, which soon began to penetrate not only into the Muslim regions of Russia, but also into its central cities, including Moscow and St. Petersburg. The resulting ideological vacuum and religious ignorance of the population became a breeding ground for the spread of a variety of pseudo-ideologies and pseudo-religions.

Through the destroyed borders of the state, there was a flood of emissaries and propagandists of radical interpretation of Islam, whose success was promoted by the collapse of the country's economy, the destruction of the previous ideology based on the tenets of the Bible and the Koran, the emergence of mass unemployment, a sharp decline in living standards, education, aggravation of interethnic relations, etc.

The ethnopolitical processes that arose in Dagestan in connection with this were reflected primarily in the well-being of the Russian population, whose outflow from the republic from 1991 increased sharply.

Of course, the most important factor in the outflow of Russians from Dagestan was the events of 90 in neighboring Chechnya and the weakness of local and federal authorities in protecting civilians from lawlessness and unrest. The most defenseless and vulnerable at that time were Russians, who did not have extensive clan and clan ties. The alienation of Russian housing by force then acquired a mass character. The support of friends and acquaintances was far from always having a decisive influence on their decision to leave Dagestan. Exacerbated religious extremism in the republic contributed to this process.

A certain anti-Russian role was played by the fact that despite the great importance of Russians in creating and strengthening the economy of Dagestan, in the development of culture, science and education, they were essentially not allowed to distribute the achievements and results obtained both in 90 and in subsequent years.

During this period, significant changes began to occur in the personnel policy of the leadership of Dagestan. The representation of Russians in the government and other administrative bodies of the republic decreased with a faster outflow of Russians, thus provoking its continuation.

But this was not always the case.

Russians appeared in the Caspian region shortly after Peter the Great met Shamkhal Tarkovsky Adil-Giray in 1722. In 1860, under Alexander II, the Dagestan Region was formed as part of Russia. The Russians, along with the Kumyks, the Mountain Jews, the Armenians, and the Azerbaijanis, were the core around which the urban population of the region began to form. On the basis of Russian fortresses in the territory of the Dagestan region Petrovsk-Port was founded in 1857, and in Temir-Khan-Shura in 1866.

On the ruins of the friendship of nationsThe city of Derbent was conquered by Russian soldiers in the war with Persia at the beginning of the nineteenth century and, according to the Gulistan Treaty of 1813, was ceded to Russia. October 12 2013 will turn exactly 200 years from the moment Derbent became a Russian city. His administration is simply obliged to mark it and to erect a monument to the Russian soldier in the city, just as the administration of Makhachkala established monuments to the Russian teacher and Peter the Great.

Neither does the administration of Buinaksk, Gunib, Khunzakh, Botlikh, Cheryurt, Khasavyurt, Sergokal and Akhty honor the fortresses and burial places of Russian soldiers, officers and members of their families who lived and served there in the late 19th - early 20th century.

The rapid growth of the number of Russians in Dagestan in the first half of the last century was formed as a result of their active participation in the construction of cities, factories, factories, railways and highways, a seaport, railway stations, power stations, etc. Russian teachers, doctors, engineers, cultural workers contributed to the development Education, science and culture in the republic. At this time, in multinational Dagestan, the Russian language is becoming the language of interethnic communication.

On the eve and during the Great Patriotic War, the Russians formed the basis of the administrative apparatus of the republic. Today, among the deputies of the State Duma and members of the Federation Council of the Russian Federation from Dagestan, there is not a single Russian last name on the lists of United Russia and Fair Russia.

In 2005, the book “Peoples of Dagestan during the Great Patriotic War 1941 – 1945” was published in Makhachkala. (Documents and Materials) ”, which published information about volunteers from Dagestan. The Russians in those years lived and were called up for war not only from cities, but from Akushinsky, Akhty, Gunibsky, Rutulsksto and other mountainous regions of DASSR. The authors did not want to reveal the national composition of volunteers from the city of Makhachkala, probably because they were based on the Russians. But it was natural, because until 1922, this city with the majority of the Russian-speaking population was called Petrovsk-Port, and the Highlanders then lived in the mountains and were called from there.

The indifference of the federal center to the problems of Dagestan and, in particular, its Russian population has played a very negative role in the last twenty years. This took advantage of ethnic clans, corrupt officials, extremists, terrorists and radical Islamists.

Somewhat encouraging is the understanding of this problem by Russian President Vladimir Putin, who acknowledged that the exodus of Russians from the North Caucasus means the loss of skilled labor, as well as entire industries and the very culture of production. And more - it is a violation of the culture of living together of the peoples in these territories. He expressed the intention of the federal center to ensure the return of people regardless of their nationality.

The solution of this task is extremely difficult, since many necessary conditions are absent for the return of Russian Dagestanis to their former residence. In my opinion, the first step in this direction should be the renaming of the Tarumovsky and Kizlyarsky districts into the Tarumovsky Cossack district and the Kizlyar Cossack district. This will strengthen the conviction in the minds of Russian Dagestanis that they are not strangers in the Republic of Dagestan.

The new leadership of the republic shows some concern about the fact of the outflow of Russians from Dagestan. But, unfortunately, there are no practical actions to solve this problem. Moreover, many have already noticed: the smaller the Russian population becomes in Dagestan, the more often shots are heard not only in the mountains, but also in the cities of the republic.

It will be much more difficult to solve the challenges facing Dagestan to radically change the economic and criminal situations without the Russian population.
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  1. Nevsky
    Nevsky 3 July 2013 15: 10 New
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    At the same time, many have already noticed: the smaller the Russian population becomes in Dagestan, the more often the shots sound not only in the mountains, but also in the cities of the republic.


    Russians are the blood and vessels of the Empire.
    1. GovernmentFSO
      GovernmentFSO 3 July 2013 15: 17 New
      +2
      I agree, the Dagestanis have nothing to do with fighting in their brains, I saw a lot of Dagestanis and they all only fight and ... DO YOU DO NOT AGREE ???????????????
    2. experienced
      experienced 3 July 2013 15: 23 New
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      There was not any Friendship of Peoples in the Caucasus, there was a clear realization that if you break the Criminal Code you will go to court. Caucasians lived according to their own laws, but did not "greet", fearing the authorities and law enforcement agencies. The deportation to Kazakhstan was left in my memory when I was given 30 minutes each. on charges and with a bundle in the car. The collapse of the Union began and a feeling of permissiveness appeared, at first timid attempts, then “released the brakes” and a bacchanalia started: rape, robbery, murder, slavery ...
      Now they seem to have found an alternative - the local "gangsters" rule on the money of Moscow, and how much money goes to them and their entourage, and how much they regulate for the rest. And still, I’m sure that sooner or later, but Russia will have to put in place a “tough order”, with great forces, with the introduction of troops, curfews, delimitation of zones and clear control ... But this requires political will, which is not yet available.
      1. knn54
        knn54 3 July 2013 16: 23 New
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        -Experienced: There was not any Friendship of Peoples in the Caucasus ...
        The order was, and when the "Deputy of His Majesty in the Caucasus" led.
        Otherwise, the clans will ruin everything, and the "bearded uncles" will come ...
        “Where grey triumphs, black always comes to power.” Bro Strugatsky.
        -Vadivak: The collapse of the union is in itself a foreign phenomenon and their plan was at all costs, as in the market.
        Otherwise, they would have collapsed, therefore, "at all costs."
      2. Very old
        Very old 3 July 2013 21: 36 New
        +2
        Aleksey, I am from Baku. Valka agrees with you, because, as OLD VERY
      3. Yarbay
        Yarbay 4 July 2013 09: 11 New
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        Quote: seasoned
        There was not any Friendship of Peoples in the Caucasus, there was a clear realization that if you break the Criminal Code you will go to court. Caucasians lived according to their own laws, but did not "greyhound", fearing the authorities and law enforcement agencies

        I do not agree!
        There was fear of the Criminal Code, but believe me, the propaganda in the USSR on the issue of friendship of peoples on the ground was very strong!
        Many in the Caucasus sincerely believed in this!
        At least in Baku, people have never been distinguished by ethnicity !!
        We were friends with Jews, Russians, Ukrainians and so on!
    3. Vadivak
      Vadivak 3 July 2013 15: 27 New
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      Quote: ...
      The initiators of the collapse of the Union were unable to predict that in this way they clear the way for a very dangerous foreign phenomenon,


      The collapse of the union is in itself a foreign phenomenon and their plan was at all costs, as in the market
      1. Nevsky
        Nevsky 3 July 2013 15: 30 New
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        Quote: Vadivak
        Quote: ...
        The initiators of the collapse of the Union were unable to predict that in this way they clear the way for a very dangerous foreign phenomenon,


        The collapse of the union is in itself a foreign phenomenon and their plan was at all costs, as in the market


        Yes, by the way, an important detail. I also wanted to note this fact. It’s enough to assume that the USSR itself fell apart or we ourselves, a war was going on against us and is going on. No wonder Gorbi received the medal.
        1. Very old
          Very old 3 July 2013 21: 45 New
          +5
          And CINISM added. Only at the withdrawal of the group from the GDR did the humpback (with a capital one) deprive our children of housing, schools, village gardens ...
          1. yak69
            yak69 3 July 2013 22: 19 New
            +5
            In 2004, I was instructed to conduct preliminary approvals for investments in Dagestan and Ingushetia. Hungary gave Russia a loan at 6% per annum for the construction of plants for the processing of fruits and vegetables of local production. They allocated 186 million euros. The Hungarians gave the plants and processing technologies, but they undertook to conduct preliminary training of local personnel (from Dagestan and Ingushetia) for these plants in Hungary. I met with close associates of the republican leadership. They were their closest relatives (brothers, sons-in-law, nephews, uncles, aunts, etc.), obviously part-time)))). The first thing I heard from them was "" 25 "(twenty-five!) .... 25% of us ... kickback! ..." "I was promised full patronage, the highest republican awards and a generally-complete buzz.

            I do not care what the general unemployment. I do not care that the population is poor. Spit on everything! We are 25%, then, all further talk about factories, investments, etc.
            I said that this is not possible and the money passed by the republics.
            This I only voice the tiniest part of what is actually happening in the republics and in the government in general. I am generally silent about Chechnya - there is simply unimaginable lawlessness. Fans of Putin, even imagination is not enough to imagine what and how it happens with the full patronage of their idol, who spoke about "soaking in the toilet."
            Quote: seasoned
            There was not any Friendship of Peoples in the Caucasus,

            You, dear, are deeply wrong. I do not know what is the motive for your such statement, but your statement is false and biased. And here it does not hinder to consider the purpose of such a step. Alas, I don’t have the time today, but could easily, on the basis of facts, show the opposite.
            However, it’s not yet evening, and I’m sure there will still be a reason to show the inconsistency of your words.
            hi
            1. skrgar
              skrgar 4 July 2013 15: 14 New
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              Well, since Putin has been touched upon, and not because "I’m a defender" .. Well, the rationality with an understanding of the real world order for today, it must be .. You think that Putin is sitting and thinking "how can I even improve this system of kickbacks? Yes, how would I cover someone else? !! ".. Yes? And by the kickbacks, they were ALWAYS !! And not frail .. And under the USSR !! An example from the city in which he lived. Stavropol Territory, Budennovsk, 1985. Construction of a Soviet-Austrian enterprise for the processing of sheep's skins, paid kickbacks-Moscow 25%, "local top" 25%, Austrian entrepreneur. "Intermediary" was Comrade Shevchenko VV (currently the head of the administrative city) Director of GorTorg ..- later on, when the enterprise was already built and began to produce products (sheepskin coats) .. the Austrian was forced to take Shevchenko into business. .In the future, the Austrian was killed ..- Shevchenko became the owner of the business EU already in 1991. And such examples in the USSR, on the "kickbacks" -sea !! We blame Putin .. This "rolling mud" for us a long, very long time and with any rulers .. still "withdraw and withdraw" ..
              1. yak69
                yak69 4 July 2013 22: 36 New
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                Quote: skrgar
                Putin sits and thinks "how can I even better this system of kickbacks to improve? Yes, how else would I cover someone? !!".

                He does not think so, because he does not need it. He has at his disposal a bottomless source of income — the Russian treasury. He can do whatever he wants. Recently, the construction of a palace for $ 1 billion (!!) on the Krasnodar coast for his lady (I will not call her) was completed. In the winter of 2010, I was treated at the Air Force sanatorium in Sochi, and so, every weekend, Medvedev and his family flew to the coast on his airbus. The whole crew was dining and living in a sanatorium next to us. Putin does the same. Only now they come to my mind as the leader of the peoples, Stalin, rested, together with the people, in the same sanatoriums (only in a separate building), where ordinary workers could see him. But can THESE be compared with the great leader ?! The leader worked, and they rule ...
                In addition, the Baltika beer business is only a small part of its property on which its people are located.
                Another question is that he does not suppress such a state of things, HE MANAGES THIS. There is incriminating evidence for every bureaucrat stealing, and he (the bureaucrat) is forced to look into Putin’s mouth and do whatever he tells. That's just what Putin says is not what is beneficial to the citizens of Russia. It’s time for everyone to understand long ago: Putin is afraid of his environment (this whole army of embezzlers, because they are evil wolves) and is forced to hold them for a zugunder with the help of dirt. Indeed, mediocre management of honest, intelligent people and patriots is not possible - they will always tell the truth in the eye. So he surrounds himself with those who have a stigma in the cannon.
                1. skrgar
                  skrgar 5 July 2013 00: 01 New
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                  Quote: yak69
                  Quote: skrgar
                  Putin sits and thinks "how can I even better this system of kickbacks to improve? Yes, how else would I cover someone? !!".

                  He does not think so, because he does not need it. He has at his disposal a bottomless source of income — the Russian treasury. He can do whatever he wants. Recently, the construction of a palace for $ 1 billion (!!) on the Krasnodar coast for his lady (I will not call her) was completed. In the winter of 2010, I was treated at the Air Force sanatorium in Sochi, and so, every weekend, Medvedev and his family flew to the coast on his airbus. The whole crew was dining and living in a sanatorium next to us. Putin does the same. Only now they come to my mind as the leader of the peoples, Stalin, rested, together with the people, in the same sanatoriums (only in a separate building), where ordinary workers could see him. But can THESE be compared with the great leader ?! The leader worked, and they rule ...
                  In addition, the Baltika beer business is only a small part of its property on which its people are located.
                  Another question is that he does not suppress such a state of things, HE MANAGES THIS. There is incriminating evidence for every bureaucrat stealing, and he (the bureaucrat) is forced to look into Putin’s mouth and do whatever he tells. That's just what Putin says is not what is beneficial to the citizens of Russia. It’s time for everyone to understand long ago: Putin is afraid of his environment (this whole army of embezzlers, because they are evil wolves) and is forced to hold them for a zugunder with the help of dirt. Indeed, mediocre management of honest, intelligent people and patriots is not possible - they will always tell the truth in the eye. So he surrounds himself with those who have a stigma in the cannon.

                  Well, knowing exactly who the owner of Baltika is, and this is far from Putin .. I conclude for the rest that you pulled everything by the ears .. And it’s not at all correct to compare with Stalin ..- start then to compare Putin with millennia’s rulers back in general, it will look like a Lucifer monster ..))
                2. skrgar
                  skrgar 5 July 2013 00: 14 New
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                  And honestly, I wouldn’t want the Russian President to fly a corn mailer .., walk like Stalin in a military tunic .. Maybe he walks with a staff and a tattered boot? Or maybe we will demand from him that he bow and read prayers and prayers for the prosperity of Russia, like Sergius of Radonezh (what is not an example for the President?) ??? .. No, for me, let it fly at least three airbuses at the same time, for me the main thing is, it’s a pity that slowly, the lives of ordinary hard workers improve !! And the village got on its feet .. It's slow but happening !!!
                  1. yak69
                    yak69 5 July 2013 20: 21 New
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                    Quote: skrgar
                    the life of simple hard workers was improving !! And the village got on its feet .. It is slowly but happening !!!

                    Could you give specific examples?
                    And preferably nationwide. With an indication of the industries where REAL BUYING ABILITY of the wage of the worker (and not its nominal figure) has increased. What are the successes of the farm, through the increase in productivity and the purchase price for the MANUFACTURER (and not for trading scammers who call themselves agricultural suppliers).

                    However, you can not answer. In essence, you will not bring anything, and there is no interest in listening to your hymns of PU.
                    Keep up the good work, power will add you a point.
                    hi
                3. skrgar
                  skrgar 5 July 2013 01: 20 New
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                  Putin is afraid of his surroundings ?! Ha! And this is the man who alone stopped the angry crowd eager to crush the Soviet Embassy in the GDR ??? This statement was just made laugh ..)))))
  2. GovernmentFSO
    GovernmentFSO 3 July 2013 15: 16 New
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    There has never been a friendship of peoples! THIS IS ALL MYTH! who can refute? ONLY HONEST, BEFORE THE GATE TO HELL!
    1. Nevsky
      Nevsky 3 July 2013 15: 17 New
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      Quote: GovernmentFSO
      There has never been a friendship of peoples! THIS IS ALL MYTH!


      Tell it to my parents. fool
      1. GovernmentFSO
        GovernmentFSO 3 July 2013 15: 32 New
        +1
        everything was carefully suppressed by the Central Committee of the CPSU, and that's a mustache!
      2. skrgar
        skrgar 4 July 2013 15: 50 New
        +1
        Quote: Nevsky
        Quote: GovernmentFSO
        There has never been a friendship of peoples! THIS IS ALL MYTH!


        Tell it to my parents. fool

        And my mother .. and preferably at that moment when once again her friends-acquaintances of Dagestanis, Nagai, Armenians will come to visit her .. hi
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    3. ziqzaq
      ziqzaq 3 July 2013 15: 20 New
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      Quote: GovernmentFSO
      There has never been a friendship of peoples! THIS IS ALL MYTH!

      The troll went away ....
      1. GovernmentFSO
        GovernmentFSO 3 July 2013 15: 33 New
        -3
        something you are not reasonable! do you even push off from the soldafon and turn on the brain!
      2. Very old
        Very old 3 July 2013 21: 50 New
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        You are on the site of associates. More correctly. Please.
    4. Sakhalininsk
      Sakhalininsk 3 July 2013 15: 23 New
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      And in order to completely forget about Gozmanowski, add that the USSR was a prison of nations, and the cute Germans and their jackals and hyenas from all the geyrops, led by the ideas of National Socialism, came to us in the 41st only to destroy the bloody NKVDschina and the tyrant Stalin, and give everyone living in the USSR freedom, equality and fraternity.
      (That was sarcasm).
      It is a pity that corporal punishment is prohibited in our country because brains affected by liberalism can only be cured with a whip to a mild degree.
    5. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 3 July 2013 15: 30 New
      +5
      Quote: GovernmentFSO
      There has never been a friendship of peoples!

      Well, here you are, corporal, career is growing wink But judging by the fact. What kind of comments you leave is not the last anti-title for today.
      1. GovernmentFSO
        GovernmentFSO 3 July 2013 15: 34 New
        -4
        the main thing is not a title, but the people are either afraid to speak out or dumb ... like the current "generals" ... whom the president is only firing!
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 3 July 2013 15: 38 New
          +4
          Quote: GovernmentFSO
          the main thing is not a title, but the people are either afraid to speak out or dumb ..

          Yes, the main thing is not the title, but I write that I think and did not notice people's fear on the site. most write what they think. With regards to stupidity and stupidity, but even then somehow I did not notice in your posts big and mental, alas request
        2. Sakhalininsk
          Sakhalininsk 3 July 2013 15: 41 New
          +4
          Quote: GovernmentFSO
          the main thing is not a title, but the people are either afraid to speak out or dumb ... like the current "generals" ... whom the president is only firing!


          What utter nonsense laughing You didn’t run away from russophobic forum from pshekia for an hour?
        3. SASCHAmIXEEW
          SASCHAmIXEEW 3 July 2013 16: 31 New
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          Guard, you looked in the mirror for a long time? Did you see a stupid coward there? And there was friendship! Maybe not between peoples, but between people! And we did not share Russian, Tatar, but good and bad !!! And in the osnavnom lived peacefully and amicably !!!
          1. polly
            polly 3 July 2013 16: 49 New
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            "... And we did not share in Russian, Tatar, but good and bad !!!"And it is true!
            And if someone just was snotty and did not remember this, then it is better to just shut up!
            1. mark021105
              mark021105 3 July 2013 21: 24 New
              +2
              That woman has much more sense in judgment than some who wear pants ...
            2. survivor
              survivor 4 July 2013 04: 13 New
              +1
              and they celebrated together Easter, and Bayram, and other holidays. no. the friendship of peoples was, but to someone it was not very comfortable from its existence!
              1. stroporez
                stroporez 4 July 2013 15: 06 New
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                in in. in SIBERIA and now, on the Kuram Bayram, the Tatars of Russia and Ukrainians will be treated, but on the EASTER, on the contrary ..........
          2. Very old
            Very old 3 July 2013 22: 02 New
            +2
            Yes Yes. It was. And now it is. The Baku People have scattered all over the earth, but there is Skype. We meet. And we will. Name all nationalities? Not enough space. From Ireland to Vladivostok, ours serve in the subway. And good serve.
    6. little man
      little man 3 July 2013 16: 02 New
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      Ivan, this is a dangerous topic. You can rest in an eternal bath without warning smile
    7. Andrew-001
      Andrew-001 3 July 2013 17: 08 New
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      I can refute. My great-grandfather after the Tambov uprising lived in Tajikistan, commanded a border post there. My grandfather was born in Tajikistan, got married there, worked there. I grew up there in childhood and then often visited. I walked through the streets with a small peanut and felt fine about myself. And even during their civil war, my grandfather and grandmother lived there and no one offended them - everyone treated them normally, like their own.
      THERE IS A FRIENDSHIP OF PEOPLES!
      Of course, there are exceptions, but it depends on individuals in one way or another.
      As for the Dagestanis - read an article about a Dagestani guy who, at the cost of his life, not knowing how to swim, still saved two girls in Moscow.
      Each nation has its own good people, and there are its own bastards.
      1. gribnik777
        gribnik777 3 July 2013 18: 19 New
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        "Think for yourself. Decide for yourself ..."

        24 June 2013 year
        In Zvenigorod, a 24-year-old resident of Dagestan saved two drowning girls, but he died.
        He could not swim, but the only one of tenin vacationers rushed to the rescue.
        He will be buried in a family village.

        The young man Marat Rakhmetov came to Zvenigorod from Dagestan to earn money. On that unfortunate day on June 24, he and his brother were resting on the banks of the Moskva River. Tables are hung along the coast. "Swimming is prohibited": deep, uneven bottom and strong current. Two schoolgirls were swimming near the coast, suddenly they began to carry the current to the depths. Hearing the screams of drowning, Marat rushed to the aid right in his clothes and pushed the teenagers out in the shallow water, but he was unable to swim out.


        More details: http://www.odintsovo.info/news/?id=37170
      2. 3 inches.
        3 inches. 3 July 2013 18: 44 New
        +6
        Each nation has its own good people, and its own bastards. I read and watch a film about Kosovo. There are no bad peoples, but there are peoples where the percentage of bastards begins to go through the roof. What will we do with this? Will we write beautiful phrases again?
        1. Uhe
          Uhe 3 July 2013 20: 37 New
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          You're not right. Each nation has its own life values ​​and its own tasks; peoples are very similar to people in hypertrophied form. Therefore, yes, there are good people, there are bad people, but there are peoples who often play negative roles in history, there are positive ones. Another thing is that with adulthood, an unpleasant person may or may not be corrected;) Think for examples yourself - think, analyze. Especially good at the confrontation: for example, Germans-Russians, French-Russians and so on. After all, the same Germans, for the most part, were sincerely loyal to Hitler, and before that to the Pope, that’s why for many hundreds of years they have been making crusades against us. Are they bad or good? They have their own life task, the fulfillment of which is sometimes hindered by us Russians. Forgive us, lay our paws up and die? No, the enemy is bad and must be destroyed. We will show mercy and philanthropy later, when we win. Good attitude to the vanquished, by the way, is one of the hallmarks of the “good” nations, and vice versa. Ponder this question. It is far from as straightforward as you mistakenly painted.
      3. Very old
        Very old 3 July 2013 22: 07 New
        +1
        Well, what can I tell you ... THANKS
      4. survivor
        survivor 4 July 2013 04: 15 New
        +1
        not for nothing they say, "a scoundrel is a separate nationality"
  3. little man
    little man 3 July 2013 15: 16 New
    +6
    Not only are there few Russians in Dagestan, but also in Russia itself.
    1. Nevsky
      Nevsky 3 July 2013 15: 21 New
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      Quote: man
      Not only are there few Russians in Dagestan, but also in Russia itself.


      In 1991, Borka Alkash, me as a little 5-year-old kid, my family and the remaining 8 million Russians of Ukraine, was cut off with a knife-handle from my Home, - the Motherland. In Ukraine, too, there are fewer Russians, but not only because of demographics, but also because of the educational policy of the state.

      I recently argued with one relatively educated 19th girl who is even interested in history, and so, she proved to me, as always in Russian, that I am Ukrainian, because I live here and have citizenship of Ukraine.
      1. seller trucks
        seller trucks 3 July 2013 15: 30 New
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        Quote: Nevsky
        In Ukraine, too, there are fewer Russians, but not only because of demographics, but also because of educational policies.


        I’m embarrassed to ask how, they hide from young people that they are Russian or that it’s not fashionable to be Russian in Ukraine, you are not looking for a mockery, I’m just one of those who “cut off a knife from his Home with a knife and a pen,” and here’s what the 8 million figure comes from ?
        1. Nevsky
          Nevsky 3 July 2013 15: 40 New
          +2
          seller trucks

          Especially for you, I have already posted here:

          http://topwar.ru/22679-manifest-k-russkim-na-ukraine-dopolnennyy.html
        2. Egoza
          Egoza 3 July 2013 20: 08 New
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          Quote: seller trucks
          they hide from youth that they are Russian

          For children from 6 years old at school, and sometimes in kindergarten, they grind: “Since you live in Ukraine, then you are Ukrainian” I cursed so much about this with my granddaughter’s first teacher !!! It’s just that most parents only think about how to earn bread, to feed their family, and to pay for the apartment in all respects, but they are not interested in nationality problems in this regard.
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 4 July 2013 09: 17 New
            +1
            Quote: Egoza
            : "Since you live in Ukraine, then you are Ukrainian" I have been cursing so much about the first teacher of my granddaughter about this!

            So I thought, but how to develop a child's love for the motherland ??
            Eraz is right in something, but you, too, are right in your own way !!
            It makes you think!
      2. Yeraz
        Yeraz 3 July 2013 16: 05 New
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        Quote: Nevsky
        I recently argued with one relatively educated 19th girl who is even interested in history, and so, she proved to me, as always in Russian, that I am Ukrainian, because I live here and have citizenship of Ukraine.

        Well, if you are a citizen of Ukraine, you are Ukrainian. I am a citizen of the Russian Federation and I am Russian, although ethnically purebred Azerbaijani. It is simply that the Russian language is rich and there is such a word Russian, but in Azerbaijan there is no one and therefore who is a citizen of Azerbaijan will be Azerbaijani.
        another thing is if she said that you cease to be Russian from this ... but you did not indicate this.
        1. Egoza
          Egoza 3 July 2013 20: 11 New
          +4
          Quote: Yeraz
          I am a citizen of the Russian Federation and I am Russian, although ethnically purebred is Azerbaijani.


          You confuse citizenship and nationality. Or if you move to the USA, get citizenship there, then you become an American? And in Japan, a Japanese? What would your ancestors tell you about this? belay
          1. Yeraz
            Yeraz 3 July 2013 22: 58 New
            +2
            Quote: Egoza
            You confuse citizenship and nationality

            no you confuse.
            Quote: Egoza
            . Or if you move to the USA, get citizenship there, then you become an American?

            Yes, I will become an American by passport, and Azerbaijani by nationality. Indeed, a passport does not cancel a nationality.
            Quote: Egoza
            What would your ancestors tell you about this?

            I hold on to my roots perfectly.
            Understand everything stupidly rests on the words themselves. It’s just that in Russia there is a word Russian, if I were Russian I would be Russian according to my passport, and I would speak Russian Azerbaijani, you ask why you don’t speak Russian Azerbaijani, because the person already knows the word Russian she won’t understand who I am by nation and ask about the roots where I’ll answer, but I’ll clarify the word Russian in advance.
            I simply do not know the Ukrainian language, but in Azerbaijan there is no way to say otherwise.
            What is difficult to say, I am Ukrainian according to my passport, and so I am Russian. You are a citizen of Ukraine, part of it.
            1. Egoza
              Egoza 3 July 2013 23: 21 New
              +2
              Quote: Yeraz
              What is difficult to say, I am Ukrainian on my passport, and so I am Russian.

              I am Russian!!! Citizen of Ukraine, but not Ukrainian! And this is precisely what this policy leads to - so that they forget their nationality! They said-all Ukrainians! Sorry, but I don’t think it is right. It is precisely because we have “all Ukrainians” who closed Russian schools and do not allow them to receive education in their mother tongue at universities, which is why knowledge is acquired less well. I'm not talking about the fact that even prescriptions for medicines are annotated only in the Ukrainian language, and it’s hard for old people who have spoken Russian all their lives to understand, especially with newspeak. Yes, a lot of things ... but to fight for your rights, so right away - "You are all Ukrainians! What are the claims? What are the rights of the Russians? If there are, then the national minority ...." No! I will defend my nationality! Because I am Russian! And no one will force me to renounce this!
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay 4 July 2013 09: 03 New
                +1
                Quote: Egoza
                No, really! I will defend my nationality! Because I am Russian! And no one will force me to renounce this!

                I respect !!
              2. Yeraz
                Yeraz 4 July 2013 11: 12 New
                +2
                Quote: Egoza
                I am Russian!!! Citizen of Ukraine, but not Ukrainian!

                So there was a solution.
                Quote: Egoza
                do not allow to receive education in their native language at universities, which is why knowledge is acquired worse.

                and how much do you speak in a state language ??
                Quote: Egoza
                I'm not talking about the fact that even prescriptions for medicines are annotated only in Ukrainian.

                Well, that's fine, you live in Ukraine.
                You are in Ukraine and must know the state language.
                1. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 4 July 2013 16: 07 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Yeraz
                  Well, that's fine, you live in Ukraine.
                  You are in Ukraine and must know the state language

                  this is undeniable !!
                  completely agree with this!
          2. Revolver
            Revolver 4 July 2013 02: 49 New
            0
            Quote: Egoza
            Or if you move to the USA, get citizenship there, then you become an American?

            Legally, yes. But culturally-psychological - hardly. Well, you will not spend the day off watching “football” more like rugby for beer with hamburgers, and on Monday discuss it with like-minded colleagues. And you will perceive July 4 simply as an extra day off, and in fact you will celebrate on May 9.
            A small detail: all Russian-speaking people, regardless of their previous residence, religion, and ethnicity, are considered Russian, and in many respects recognize themselves as such (although whoever was rooting for Dynamo K. will never root for Spartak M. and vice versa). And even the children, although it is easier for them to speak English than Russian, are mostly handled with the same Russians as themselves.
        2. Uhe
          Uhe 3 July 2013 20: 52 New
          +4
          And not so long ago, the citizens of the Russian Empire were called Russian. It was only necessary to take an oath to the tsar and, preferably, to accept the Orthodox faith. And any German, Georgian or Azerbaijani became Russian;) Actually, the Russian Slavs were not offended, but vice versa.

          Why it was necessary to reinvent the wheel in the form of Russians is not clear. Rather, it is clear, but this is a disastrous path. Living in Russia, one cannot help but be Russian and not instill this feeling in your children, otherwise you, us, and the country will face a sad end.

          By the way, I have a lot of familiar Azerbaijanis who left that country because they considered themselves Soviet and Russian, despite their genetic background - they studied in Russian schools, have Russian wives or husbands, children speak only Russian and honor Russia as its homeland, and Russian as its people. And the attitude towards their compatriots who have hit into antagonism is appropriate for them. This is the only correct way of assimilation in Russia.
          1. Yeraz
            Yeraz 3 July 2013 23: 07 New
            +4
            Quote: Uhe
            By the way, I have a lot of familiar Azerbaijanis who left that country because they considered themselves Soviet and Russian, despite their genetic background - they studied in Russian schools, have Russian wives or husbands, children speak only Russian and honor Russia as its homeland, and Russian as its people.

            Those. they no longer consider Azerbaijan their homeland, and Azerbaijanis their countrymen ??? By chance, not your Baku friends?
            Quote: Uhe
            And the attitude towards their compatriots who have hit into antagonism is appropriate for them.

            My attitude is forming a good person, a bad one (there is one thing but I will never become a friend with an Armenian, yes, but not a good friend. A friend for me is completely different in my life I have 2 real friends for whom I will give my life.
            Quote: Uhe
            This is the only correct way of assimilation in Russia.

            Assimilation ... well, how to say it from the point of view of the interests of the state, this is correct, from the point of view of assimilated no. A person who has forgotten his past will not build the future, and assimilation is the forgetting of everything and building on the new basis of another.
            1. gene
              gene 4 July 2013 08: 53 New
              -1
              is Yeraz a Yerevan Azerbaijani? so in Baku they called visitors from Armenia.
            2. Yarbay
              Yarbay 4 July 2013 09: 00 New
              +1
              Quote: Yeraz
              My attitude is forming a good person, a bad one (there is one thing but I will never become a friend with an Armenian, yes, but not a good friend. A friend for me is completely different in my life I have 2 real friends for whom I will give my life.

              Right thoughts!
              I support !!
              I will not become a good friend with them !!
              Quote: Yeraz
              Those. they no longer consider Azerbaijan their homeland, and Azerbaijanis their countrymen ???

              so these are not Azerbaijanis!
              And Azerbaijanis do not consider them as fellow countrymen!
              Nothing terrible sure our people have not lost anything!
              Iskreni is very happy for the Russian people for such an acquisition !!
              Quote: Yeraz
              Not by chance Baku People your friends ??

              I am Baku People)))))))
              1. Yeraz
                Yeraz 4 July 2013 10: 41 New
                +2
                Quote: Yarbay
                I will not become a good friend with them !!

                Alibek, I’m a pragmatist, just with these good friends you can learn a lot about Armenia.
                Quote: Yarbay
                I am Baku People)))))))

                Alibek, no offense, all the city Baku people that I met, except for the 1st, they are arranged differently and the views are different, too modern.
                Are you just the city Baku or from the villages of Baku?
                1. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 4 July 2013 16: 05 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Yeraz
                  Alibek, no offense, all the city Baku people that I met, except for the 1st, they are arranged differently and the views are different, too modern.
                  Are you just the city Baku or from the villages of Baku?

                  No offense !!)))
                  But I will not comment on this, there is too much to say !!!
      3. Uhe
        Uhe 3 July 2013 20: 46 New
        +3
        But why be surprised if officials in the Russian Federation openly declare that the Russians do not exist either as a nation or as a nation! There are only Russians in the form of a single nation, consisting of many nations. Why be surprised that in Ukraine there is no Russian, either, as in the Russian Federation;) Sorry, but to call a country where there are no Russians, Russia does not turn its tongue, because Russia from Greek is Russia. What is Russia without Rus and Russians?
        1. Very old
          Very old 3 July 2013 22: 23 New
          0
          And you do not repeat after the officials. Just
      4. Very old
        Very old 3 July 2013 22: 20 New
        0
        Stas, accustom to Europe. In FR. any black calls himself a Frenchman (remember the movie) That's why I prefer the RUSSIAN. Everyone remains in their own people. Each of them is Russian.
    2. Uhe
      Uhe 3 July 2013 20: 40 New
      +2
      Mr. Peje himself said that 87%. Rashkin here also called the figure - 85%. Officially recognize more than 80%. This is enough to consider the Russian Federation as a mono-ethnic country;) But God bless her, with a mono-ethnicity. Curious to look at nat. the composition of the ruling elite at different levels as a percentage, by the percentage of the richest people in the Russian Federation, by the number of acquittals in the nat. sign, to other similar things, directly reflecting who rules the Russian Federation at the present time and who lives in it well. Here, I think, the alignment will not be in favor of the Russians.
      1. Very old
        Very old 3 July 2013 22: 25 New
        0
        And here is already "political corruption." European-style, so ...
  4. Muxauk
    Muxauk 3 July 2013 15: 27 New
    +7
    The article is a big plus, 91 years spoiled the relationship.
    everything will return, but a lot of work is needed
    read a troll article about a Dagestan who gave his life to save 2 unfamiliar Russian girls
    1. Very old
      Very old 3 July 2013 22: 27 New
      0
      Thanks, M E Hanik
  5. Kovrovsky
    Kovrovsky 3 July 2013 15: 29 New
    +1

    Nature does not tolerate emptiness!
  6. Manager
    Manager 3 July 2013 15: 31 New
    +7
    There was a friendship! And what was it like! My grandfather was a kingdom to him from heaven, he said that after the war the people became truly fraternal. There was no hatred! On the contrary! To the Caucasus as a resort, and Caucasians in Moscow as brothers met!
    1. GovernmentFSO
      GovernmentFSO 3 July 2013 15: 44 New
      -2
      So we met the Caucasians, now they are going to establish things as they go home!
  7. varov14
    varov14 3 July 2013 15: 35 New
    +7
    It’s just that there are no Russians in the power, there are people of the world, in fact, nobody and nobody and Russia are a breeze to them.
    1. SASCHAmIXEEW
      SASCHAmIXEEW 3 July 2013 16: 54 New
      +3
      10000 +++++++++++ !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just not the people of the world, the Jewish-Zionist shobla who cares only about their fraud, but on the people, on you and me, they put it with the device for a long time and never thought of the people, we are “goyim” for them, that is, a service, no more, no less! Read the Old Testament, everything is painted there, who we are for them and understand everything! Not for nothing that in 17g the Bolsheviks were Jews, and then there were up to 80% of them in power, people were rejected from religion, so that we could not know who is who, in fact !!! And it’s strange to me that the church has this not a word !!! Our priests are silent, they don’t say that the Old Testament is written about Jews, by the way by the Jews themselves !!!
    2. Revolver
      Revolver 3 July 2013 19: 09 New
      +7
      Quote: varov14
      There is simply no Russian power

      Would return to power in Russia for at least a couple of years Georgian, Joseph Vissarionovich and Lavrenty Pavlovich, and most of the problems that people cry about here would be removed from the agenda as no longer relevant.
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  9. PValery53
    PValery53 3 July 2013 15: 43 New
    +2
    As it does not sound odious, materially procreation should be stimulated only in the Russian people and the peoples of the North, and among Muslims, condemn excessive childbearing. But here, it turns out, the state "pours water on the mill" of Muslim peoples to the detriment of the Russians. "Whip and carrot" to pull out of trouble Russian families dysfunctional.
  10. Muxauk
    Muxauk 3 July 2013 15: 44 New
    +3
    Quote: Manager
    There was a friendship! And what was it like! My grandfather was a kingdom to him from heaven, he said that after the war the people became truly fraternal. There was no hatred! On the contrary! To the Caucasus as a resort, and Caucasians in Moscow as brothers met!

    my mother in my childhood rested in the Caucasus, so far only good things are said about them, although there will only be 50 mothers, but then the USSR was still there and the war did not portend
    1. Avenger711
      Avenger711 3 July 2013 22: 17 New
      0
      And my father served in the Caucasus. According to him, there was no Soviet power there even at that time. And also my family recently had a rest in Egypt and only when they arrived did they learn about all these unrest there.
  11. vlbelugin
    vlbelugin 3 July 2013 15: 51 New
    +3
    Solving the challenges facing Dagestan to radically change the economic and criminal situations without the Russian population will be much more difficult
    Not harder, not possible.
  12. georg737577
    georg737577 3 July 2013 15: 54 New
    +2
    Quote: seasoned
    There was not any Friendship of Peoples in the Caucasus, there was a clear realization that if you break the Criminal Code you will go to court. Caucasians lived according to their own laws, but did not "greet", fearing the authorities and law enforcement agencies.

    I think there is nothing to add.
  13. 12061973
    12061973 3 July 2013 15: 56 New
    +3
    in Dagestan, such a situation has developed that not only Russians, but Dagestanis themselves want to get to hell, for example Tolboev does not want to go to their ancestral village. By the way, there are unofficial benefits for Russians, for example, they will not take Caucasians troops, but one change for gold the bridge (this is a border crossing with Azerbaijan) brings about 300000 rubles to each (gazelle 15000 rubles hand luggage 5000 rubles)
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 3 July 2013 16: 09 New
      +5
      Quote: 12061973
      one change on the golden bridge (this is a border crossing with Azerbaijan) brings about 300000 rubles to each (gazelle 15000 rubles hand luggage 5000 rubles)

      I would call it a diamond-diamond bridge. I was shocked when I saw a huge number of Chechens and people from Dagestan at the wholesale clothing markets in Baku, it was especially surprising how they tried to cram more in one bag, as it turned out, the more you can carry in less You’ll give less bags at the border and the main thing is to tear off your border guards, not Azerbaijani ones.
      1. 12061973
        12061973 3 July 2013 16: 39 New
        +3
        all saunas, taverns, crammed with border guards, letteha on a Lexus is a common thing, and all this is open without hesitation, and local ones around without money, the question is how to fix the situation, the answer is to go to the forest.
        1. RPD
          RPD 3 July 2013 16: 47 New
          +2
          , the question is how to fix the situation, the answer is to go to the forest.

          no mind count the cripple
          1. 12061973
            12061973 3 July 2013 19: 39 New
            +1
            that's for sure. burnt, executed, villagers are brought, it’s scary to look, but they’re coming.
        2. antiaircrafter
          antiaircrafter 3 July 2013 17: 26 New
          +2
          Quote: 12061973
          for Russians there are unofficial benefits, for example, the Caucasians' troops are not taken to the border, and one change on the golden bridge (this is the border crossing with Azerbaijan) brings about 300000rub each (gazelle 15000rub hand luggage 5000rub)

          What do border guards have to do with customs inspection?
          Quote: 12061973
          and around local without money

          local tried to work?
          1. RPD
            RPD 3 July 2013 17: 31 New
            +3
            By the way, for Russians there are unofficial benefits

            yeah, the benefits in the mines to cut the rock, but on the drill
            1. 12061973
              12061973 3 July 2013 19: 42 New
              +1
              there are no mines, but I don’t know at Dagnefte what kind of mafia it’s like they rule Moscow, they pay well at drilling sites, there are few places.
          2. 12061973
            12061973 3 July 2013 19: 37 New
            +1
            there are a lot of border guards, the customs officer seemed to have one, I don’t know what the relations are. So they work as shuttles, there is no other job.
        3. Yeraz
          Yeraz 3 July 2013 17: 57 New
          +2
          Quote: 12061973
          Letekha on Lexus is a common thing, and all this openly without hesitation,

          Well this is true in the whole Caucasus)))
    2. ed65b
      ed65b 3 July 2013 18: 35 New
      +3
      And I would call this corruption and malfeasance at least. They must be driven out of the army and even better planted. These are the bleeds that made it possible to arrange explosions in Russian cities and Budenovsky.
      1. 12061973
        12061973 3 July 2013 19: 33 New
        0
        nothing personal, just business, but they remember about Budennovsk during the days of strengthening, when you raise the wahs, and in a peculiar way, they stupidly close the border. Imagine the mood of people, the goods are locked, money is dripping, it is not clear where to go.
      2. Very old
        Very old 3 July 2013 22: 33 New
        0
        A mess and corruption. And a new mino can't do anything. Eddie, where's the solution?
  14. Muxauk
    Muxauk 3 July 2013 15: 59 New
    +4
    Russian demographics need to be increased, but they have jobs and education, to bring down radical preachers
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 3 July 2013 16: 13 New
      +2
      Quote: MuxaHuk
      Russian demographics need to be increased,

      everyone knows this, except those sitting upstairs.
      Quote: MuxaHuk
      bring down radical preachers

      It's like a gum advise you to look about the measure of Ust-Olginsk. Mol forbid the Gypsies to forbid to trade in drugs, expel Caucasians from the markets, and what city will live on ??))))) Here the same situation is beneficial there, there are justifications for subsidies and everything else .
  15. Alexandr0id
    Alexandr0id 3 July 2013 16: 22 New
    +6
    in childhood, in 1989, rested with his mother in Dagestan - Makhachkala, Caspian, Derbent, Buinaksk. my mother has the best memories of this vacation, I liked it much more than on the Black Sea coast, even despite an accidental injury. there was no negativity on national grounds, there wasn’t even a hint of it; everyone didn’t care where you came from, from Murmansk or from Kiev.
  16. RPD
    RPD 3 July 2013 16: 43 New
    +4
    That night on the 3rd transport was again “friendship of peoples” four compatriots beat a motorcyclist with baseball bats
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 3 July 2013 16: 50 New
      +5
      Like three. For standing up for the driver girl whom they pressed.
      1. 3 inches.
        3 inches. 3 July 2013 18: 27 New
        +6
        and now these 4 brave Dagestani guys claim that the girl herself attacked them. Here and the friendship of peoples.
        1. RPD
          RPD 3 July 2013 18: 33 New
          +1
          and as usual threats
        2. Very old
          Very old 3 July 2013 22: 46 New
          0
          Not Dagestanis. Pay attention to our foul justice. Lawyers remove everything dirty, bleach. Not punished, you can continue ... They use it. Everyone bought FEMIDA allows all kinds of abominations to trample our laws (yes, what I-you already know)
          1. RPD
            RPD 3 July 2013 22: 50 New
            +1
            no themis will make me commit any filth
  17. Muxauk
    Muxauk 3 July 2013 17: 07 New
    0
    Quote: Yeraz
    Quote: MuxaHuk
    Russian demographics need to be increased,

    everyone knows this, except those sitting upstairs.
    Quote: MuxaHuk
    bring down radical preachers

    It's like a gum advise you to look about the measure of Ust-Olginsk. Mol forbid the Gypsies to forbid to trade in drugs, expel Caucasians from the markets, and what city will live on ??))))) Here the same situation is beneficial there, there are justifications for subsidies and everything else .

    but they start breaking this situation there
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 3 July 2013 17: 59 New
      +3
      Quote: MuxaHuk

      but they start breaking this situation there

      I don’t know how they break it, but explosions and attacks do not stop.
  18. RPD
    RPD 3 July 2013 17: 16 New
    +2
    all good things are built for a very long time and breaks down very quickly. it is no coincidence that Russians even treat Germans better than compatriots
  19. kirieeleyson
    kirieeleyson 3 July 2013 18: 00 New
    +3
    Tarumovsky Cossack district and Kizlyar Cossack district.

    A good proposal, the idea of ​​forming large Cossack villages always brought order.
    1. 12061973
      12061973 3 July 2013 19: 55 New
      +1
      already a bunch of saigas with the saigas, they shoot without warning, the day before yesterday an official from Rusgdro was wounded in the back of the head because the car did not stop, but how to stop if the FIG knows who is standing with the weapon. The state does not need to transfer its responsibilities to citizens otherwise carcasses of light.
  20. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 3 July 2013 18: 22 New
    +2
    The Cossacks kept the Russian empire on the borders .. Earth was free from taxes .. but the requirements were relevant .. Within a few hours, a full-fledged mobile military formation trained well-coordinated .. can move anywhere in the country. Children from the diapers were accustomed to arms and love for the Motherland ... Many of them were crushed during the revolution (many simply remained faithful to the oath .. "Eternal memory like that!) Now I don’t know .. I think there must be something new ..
  21. ed65b
    ed65b 3 July 2013 18: 39 New
    +3
    There was a friendship of peoples. I agree with this, but somehow it ended a pity. Although on an interpersonal basis, she is and does not feel bad, but how more than 3 immediately passes.
  22. bddrus
    bddrus 3 July 2013 18: 45 New
    0
    Russian Dagestan? Is this a new nationality? what for?
  23. Andrey Skokovsky
    Andrey Skokovsky 3 July 2013 18: 48 New
    +4
    At the beginning of the 2000, the acquaintances of 2 went from Krasnoyarsk to rest on the Black Sea in Ossetia in a row, and were delighted

    Yes, the Caucasian mentality was there, but there was Caucasian hospitality, so it seems to me that I just need to systematically work on the development of border areas in no way to go anywhere

    they are really trying to bite us from all sides
    Finns are stirring something up in Karelia, the Baltic states are hysterical, Kaliningrad is trying to rename keniksberg for starters and there is the next European choice, St. Petersburg - a European city, a new one - the Ukrainian Kuban, separate the Caucasus, separate Siberia, Siberian nationality, it seems that the authorities have broken their brains in the south in Tuva , separate the Far East, etc. ........

    systematic work is underway on the collapse of the country and Moscow needs to develop the periphery,
    in Soviet times, this is exactly what was done otherwise
    Well, to us on the ground, to understand what is happening, not to be hysterical, to understand that the ruble from Moscow may not have come yet, but from Washington the dollar for the separatists is already nearby and it’s working
    today unfortunately so
    but nobody has canceled the concept of homeland, and yet it’s not a matter of money ....
    1. experienced
      experienced 3 July 2013 18: 53 New
      +2
      Quote: Andrey Skokovsky
      At the beginning of the 2000, the acquaintances of 2 went from Krasnoyarsk to rest on the Black Sea in Ossetia in a row, and were delighted

      Maybe they’ll stomp me right now, but Ossetia seems to have no access to the Black Sea request
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 3 July 2013 19: 03 New
        0
        Do not stumble. No exit. Most likely we are talking about Abkhazia
      2. Andrey Skokovsky
        Andrey Skokovsky 3 July 2013 19: 04 New
        0
        yes apparently you're right most likely they were Abkhazia - Ossetia
        it was just almost 10 years ago, and I don’t remember all the details
        I remember that there was already Chechen and they brought excellent wine
      3. Very old
        Very old 3 July 2013 22: 49 New
        0
        Do not go to geography teachers. Thankless job
  24. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 3 July 2013 18: 52 New
    +1
    Foam will settle .. and everything will be fine
  25. Andrey Skokovsky
    Andrey Skokovsky 3 July 2013 18: 55 New
    -3
    Quote: 3 inches.
    and now these 4 brave Dagestani guys claim that the girl herself attacked them. Here and the friendship of peoples.


    media just such cases will chew ad infinitum,
    I can offer you, as opposed to one of these days, a case where a Caucasian saved two girls and died himself, if you follow your logic, then it was probably some kind of wrong Caucasian .....

    today's media are not working in the interests of Russia and are fanning nationalism, start thinking for yourself ...
    1. 3 inches.
      3 inches. 3 July 2013 19: 00 New
      +7
      I beg you. this is really unique. he was a plasterer at the construction site as a Dagestan. for my 23 years at the construction site this is the first time I hear of such a thing.
      1. Lakkuchu
        Lakkuchu 3 July 2013 19: 37 New
        +2
        Quote: 3 inches.
        I beg you. this is really unique. he was a plasterer at the construction site as a Dagestan. for my 23 years at the construction site this is the first time I hear of such a thing.

        Hmm .. the logic is the strongest. Since you have not met Dagestanis in construction, then Dagestanis-builders do not exist. But I don’t meet Russians at construction sites in Dagestan, although for example, the whole of Makhachkala is being built up intensively, there are no Uzbeks and Tajiks, all of our guys are Dagestanis. Moreover, thousands of Dagestan builders work at Olympic facilities in Sochi. Everyone sees what he wants to see.
        1. RPD
          RPD 3 July 2013 19: 43 New
          +5
          But I don’t meet Russians at construction sites of Dagestan

          http://www.kp.ru/daily/26084.4/2986727/
          KP correspondents tried to figure out how Russians from all over the country get to Dagestan brick factories. And why not the police but the volunteers are looking for them [video]

          http://www.echo.msk.ru/blog/publicpost/1076600-echo/
          Seven people were released from labor slavery in Dagestan by civil activists together with the police. A PublicPost correspondent participated in the rescue operation and found that trafficking in human beings is an established business.

          but of course all this is not true
          1. Lakkuchu
            Lakkuchu 3 July 2013 20: 08 New
            0
            It's true. I am talking about construction sites, not brick factories. With these employees, the situation is also not as clear as it seems at first glance. There are those who were tricked into Dagestan, but there are those who came voluntarily and are not going to leave, they are happy with everything. There are those who go to visit relatives in Russia and return again.
            1. itkul
              itkul 3 July 2013 20: 42 New
              +1
              Quote: Lakkuchu
              I am talking about construction sites, not brick factories. The situation with these employees is not as clear as it seems at first glance.


              And why locals don’t work at these brick factories, say yourself that there are a lot of unemployed in Dagestan, or it’s not work for a horseman
              1. Lakkuchu
                Lakkuchu 3 July 2013 20: 58 New
                +1
                Quote: itkul
                And why locals don’t work at these brick factories, say yourself that there are a lot of unemployed in Dagestan, or it’s not work for a horseman

                I think the situation here is the same as with migrant workers in Russia, the owners of brick factories do not want to pay normal money, and they hire different poor fellows who can pay a penny.
            2. 3 inches.
              3 inches. 3 July 2013 22: 48 New
              +1
              that's just one thing that’s not clear to me. why when a Dagestan does something, it’s always irrelevant to the people. haven’t you tried to educate them? then there will be a friendship of peoples. moreover real. friendship is when a neighbor comes to drink wine to visit me. and not when he is wandering around the alleys with a knife in Russia.
        2. 3 inches.
          3 inches. 3 July 2013 22: 45 New
          +1
          MDA is the strongest logic. I also haven’t seen Russians shooting in the air in Moscow. But that doesn’t mean that they aren’t there? And there won’t be any Russians at the construction sites of Dagestan.
    2. RPD
      RPD 3 July 2013 19: 15 New
      +4
      media just such cases will chew ad infinitum,

      when it touches you then you will chew. and here people are trying to explain to compatriots why they do not like to put it mildly.
      1. 3 inches.
        3 inches. 3 July 2013 19: 19 New
        +3
        and explain with the hope that they would draw the correct conclusions from the explanations. so that you wouldn’t have to tamper them on the head explaining how you can and should behave.
  26. DAGESTAN333
    DAGESTAN333 3 July 2013 19: 03 New
    +9
    The author is a little unfair - after the collapse of the Union, in general, everyone did not care about each other. But the Russians simply did not want to participate in the local feudal showdowns and moved to quieter places in Russia. But on the other hand, for those who pulled Dagestan out of the Stone Age, I think it was worthwhile to provide certain benefits.
    The friendship of peoples was! And it was large-scale, because ordinary normal people always strive for it.

    All those who claim above that there was no friendship of peoples, they themselves had none in their heads, and never will be ...
  27. KononAV
    KononAV 3 July 2013 19: 29 New
    +2
    The traitors and enemies of our state have done their job.
  28. GEO
    GEO 3 July 2013 19: 41 New
    +2
    In my opinion, the first step in this direction should be the renaming of the Tarumovsky and Kizlyar districts into the Tarumovsky Cossack district and the Kizlyar Cossack district. This will strengthen in the minds of Russian Dagestanis the conviction that they are not strangers in the Republic of Dagestan.
    =========================
    very correct thought !!!
  29. GEO
    GEO 3 July 2013 19: 43 New
    +2
    Quote: DAGESTANETS333
    The author is a little unfair - after the collapse of the Union, in general, everyone did not care about each other. But the Russians simply did not want to participate in the local feudal showdowns and moved to quieter places in Russia. But on the other hand, for those who pulled Dagestan out of the Stone Age, I think it was worthwhile to provide certain benefits.
    The friendship of peoples was! And it was large-scale, because ordinary normal people always strive for it.

    All those who claim above that there was no friendship of peoples, they themselves had none in their heads, and never will be ...

    I agree completely! He grew up in Baku.
  30. experienced
    experienced 3 July 2013 19: 48 New
    +2
    In the meantime, we’re reading such news
    About 200 residents of Dagestan went to fight for the opposition in Syria, the Republican Federal Security Service reported.
    Some of them died, Interfax reports.
    1. Very old
      Very old 3 July 2013 23: 16 New
      0
      But this is religion
      1. George
        George 4 July 2013 00: 54 New
        0
        Quote: Old very
        But this is religion

        Not only, but also for money.
  31. builder74
    builder74 3 July 2013 19: 58 New
    +4
    At least on a personal level, people communicated without hostility. At work, I came across Avars, I have a friend from a risky republic - people of the Soviet period were normal. What is happening now is a dangerous new reality, a new generation that has grown up on hostility, distorted values, the lack of a sense of a single country where the power of the people is, and for the people.
    1. RPD
      RPD 3 July 2013 20: 00 New
      0
      and who raised it? are not people of the Soviet period?
  32. Turner
    Turner 3 July 2013 20: 27 New
    +1
    Quote: Manager
    There was a friendship! And what was it like! My grandfather was a kingdom to him from heaven, he said that after the war the people became truly fraternal. There was no hatred! On the contrary! To the Caucasus as a resort, and Caucasians in Moscow as brothers met!

    But I don’t understand one thing. Why and then, as now, they were called chocks
    1. RPD
      RPD 3 July 2013 20: 30 New
      +1
      and then and now chocks call a certain type of people
    2. Very old
      Very old 3 July 2013 23: 06 New
      +2
      CHURKA- he is without nationality.
  33. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 3 July 2013 20: 46 New
    +1
    The most important thing is that everyone began to understand everything !!! And then we'll figure it out as always ..
  34. Naval
    Naval 3 July 2013 21: 25 New
    +3
    Man is a product of the environment where he lives. If the society is sick, then the most nasty things come out in a person. Therefore, under Hitler, the Germans did such that their descendants are still ashamed. Therefore, the moral level of our Asian neighbors fell. As Bulgakov said, through the lips of prf. Preobrazhensky: Devastation in the heads. not in closets. When the Moscow authorities invited state workers to visit museums for free to familiarize themselves with Russian culture, they considered this a workload and asked for 300 to 400 rubles for each visit.
  35. Zankish
    Zankish 3 July 2013 21: 27 New
    +3
    And there was friendship in the Caucasus, and there is! I know for sure, not by hearsay! In the media, ethnic strife is exaggerated. Divide and rule ! This has already been suggested to everyone!
    1. 3 inches.
      3 inches. 3 July 2013 22: 53 New
      +1
      another ringer of common phrases. the fact of the matter is that she-was !! and who destroyed it? maybe the Russians? I don’t understand one thing — is this friendship needed by anyone? Russian? Yes, we already lived well. So why do we again have to? Maybe it's time for the neighbors to think about it and just stop to spoil the rug for a start?
    2. Very old
      Very old 3 July 2013 23: 08 New
      +1
      Horseradish bald! We will understand without the media! We have a common language.
  36. Muxauk
    Muxauk 3 July 2013 22: 40 New
    0
    Quote: Old very
    Thanks, M E Hanik

    Thank you, there are no problems with grammar, my nickname is not from the profession
  37. Normal
    Normal 3 July 2013 22: 49 New
    +7
    Was the friendship of nations? Well, of course it was. Russians have always been friends with everyone. And now on the site there are quite a few who have left the national republics (and not always even voluntarily) and still claim that there was friendship. But was there such a friendship for the Russians?
    Quote: seasoned
    there was a clear realization that if you break the Criminal Code you will go to court. Caucasians lived according to their own laws, but did not "greet", fearing the authorities and law enforcement agencies.
    Here is the explanation of "friendship" on the part of Caucasians. Now they have such a friendship with the Russians
    Of course, the most important factor in the outflow of Russians from Dagestan was the events of the 90s in neighboring Chechnya and the weakness of the local and federal authorities in protecting civilians from lawlessness and unrest. The most defenseless and vulnerable at that time were Russians, who did not have extensive clan and clan ties. The alienation of Russian housing by force became mass then.
    That is, when it was profitable to be friends
    The rapid growth of the number of Russians in Dagestan in the first half of the last century was formed as a result of their active participation in the construction of cities, factories, factories, railways and highways, a seaport, railway stations, power stations, etc. Russian teachers, doctors, engineers, cultural workers contributed to the development Education, science and culture in the republic. At this time, in multinational Dagestan, the Russian language is becoming the language of interethnic communication.
    And it’s dangerous not to be friends then - "Friendship of Peoples"! And when the Caucasians and Asians began to share something that they had acquired together, they did not remember friendship. And do not say that all bad things were done to Russians by some separate bad representatives of the Caucasian and Asian peoples, and these peoples themselves were, of course, for friendship. All the bad things were done with the tacit consent or even with the approval and support of the population of the national republics, but the Russians were helped by just some not numerous representatives of small but proud peoples.
    It is high time that the term "friendship of peoples" be brought into line with reality; “friendship of the people,” that is, friendship of Russians with “non-Russians,” reciprocal friendship is the exception rather than the rule.
  38. Selevc
    Selevc 3 July 2013 23: 13 New
    +3
    In Soviet times, there was such a thing as Soviet man - maybe for some it was an empty phrase, but many, many felt themselves at first as Soviet people and then as Russians, Ukrainians, Georgians, Uzbeks, etc.

    It was a very progressive model of the mutual existence of very different peoples in the USSR ... With the collapse of the country, this happened somewhere and in no post-Soviet country has a universal concept been developed for building a multinational state ... And so far, great new ideas nationalism will not appear will flourish in various forms and there is no getting anywhere from it ...
    1. Sergey S.
      Sergey S. 4 July 2013 00: 06 New
      +2
      Right!
      Soviet people are still people.
      They do not beat the Gentiles, they do not react to nationality with aggression and rudeness.
      Soviet man is a hard worker in a good way and truthful.
  39. s1н7т
    s1н7т 4 July 2013 00: 38 New
    0
    In general, the author did not disclose the topic. Therefore - a minus. My colleagues live there - they scold and blame the feds for everything. Or Putin, like, do not know what is happening? And why the hell is such a guarantor? Gazprom’s problems are closer to them, I guess.
  40. George
    George 4 July 2013 01: 07 New
    +1
    A certain anti-Russian role was played by the fact that despite the great importance of Russians in creating and strengthening the economy of Dagestan, in the development of culture, science and education, they were essentially not allowed to distribute the achievements and results obtained both in 90 and in subsequent years.

    Yes, this is not only about Dagestan, in 90 and later everyone tore what they could snatch, except for those who raised the economy.
  41. RPD
    RPD 4 July 2013 02: 02 New
    0
    Dagestan, in the development of culture, science and education, they were essentially not allowed to share the achievements and results obtained both in the 90s and in subsequent years.

    complete nonsense, gubkina of oil and gas was full of dag and Ingush who were bandits and did not study, the road was tormented by studios from the Caucasus. and all received benefits
  42. slaventi
    slaventi 4 July 2013 07: 05 New
    0
    The Western ideology that is being introduced in Russia and the lack of one (it is prohibited by the constitution in our country) is a breeding ground for extremists. There should be a clear national policy in the Caucasus, and not only. The worse the Russians, the worse it will be for other peoples and vice versa. Russian culture is the basis of the state, around which all other peoples are united. A thousand-year history proves that Russian national interests correspond to the vital interests of all the peoples of Russia. The question is when the government will take this .
  43. individual
    individual 4 July 2013 07: 21 New
    +2
    The friendship of peoples in the republics turned into a friendship of clans against the Russians.
    Putin is building the People’s Front of Russia, and the republics have long built: Chechen, Tatar, Bashkir, Yakut and other Buryat fronts.
    The main threat is the advance of the front under the green or radical black banner of Islam.
  44. bairat
    bairat 4 July 2013 07: 31 New
    -2
    Quote: Egoza
    I am Russian!!! Citizen of Ukraine, but not Ukrainian! And this is precisely what this policy leads to - so that they forget their nationality!

    Exactly the same problems exist in the Russian Federation. Tatar language is quietly destroyed. Any language will be lost if it is impossible to use it except in the family circle. In Tatarstan, schools are still trying to teach it, but the Tatars live not only there: the Ulyanovsk and Samara region, the Urals, and there the old people forget their native language.
  45. Tatar
    Tatar 4 July 2013 08: 20 New
    +1
    PEOPLES OF RUSSIA! LET'S LIVE IN PEACE!
    1. Kremlin
      Kremlin 4 July 2013 08: 33 New
      0
      Remember Tsar Ivan the Terrible, how many peoples were there? Only some Russians! and then there was peace and order!
  46. Kremlin
    Kremlin 4 July 2013 08: 32 New
    0
    If you look without the “pink glasses”, then there has never been friendship, remember General Ermolov, what did he say about the peoples of the Caucasus? they simply made the Russian soldiers go there, make the world, and in the 90s the same song!
  47. gene
    gene 4 July 2013 09: 34 New
    -1
    There was the USSR, there was a friendship of peoples and people, but that means something was not entirely good, since the Union collapsed. At the same time, I note that, lately, there has been a lot of talk about the USSR, how good he was, how people lived well, etc., why would it be.
  48. RPD
    RPD 4 July 2013 11: 04 New
    +1
    but I will never become a friend with an Armenian

    and these people reproach us for something ?????? once again affirmed in the opinion that the largest nationalists in the USSR were national minorities
  49. tifon
    tifon 4 July 2013 13: 48 New
    0
    Quote: Gene
    There was the USSR, there was a friendship of peoples and people, but that means something was not entirely good, since the Union collapsed. At the same time, I note that, lately, there has been a lot of talk about the USSR, how good he was, how people lived well, etc., why would it be.
  50. tifon
    tifon 4 July 2013 13: 56 New
    +1
    I was still a primary school student when the USSR collapsed, but I remember very well that he was much better than your Geyeuropean Union ... mature.
    1. Sergey S.
      Sergey S. 5 July 2013 20: 22 New
      0
      I am older and join unconditionally.