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Big Brother is watching you: the scandal between the US and the EU

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The press got excited from the new scandal that powerfully shook the space of the planet that lies between Europe and the United States. Recently it became known that the US NSA intercepted 38 foreign embassies and diplomatic missions, including the embassies of NATO allies. European media resent. Viviane Reding, the European Commissioner for Luxembourg, said: "Allies do not follow each other." The Germans compared the American intelligence services with the Stasi. Western Europe sounded calls for the rejection of the creation of the so-called "economic NATO". In fact, a cold war began between the United States and the European Union. The reasons for exposing the "Big Brother" was another piece of information from Comrade Snowden.


The Guardian newspaper wrote about the NSA wiretapping at thirty-eight foreign embassies and diplomatic missions. As transmits RIA News", a document to the British edition provided by E. Snowden. The text, dated September 2010, lists the 38 institutions designated as “targets”. With the help of technical means, secret services got access to electronic communications and telephone lines in the representative offices. Among the "goals", in particular, are: the representative offices of the EU, France, Italy, Greece, Japan, Mexico, South Korea, India, Turkey.

The European Union cannot negotiate a transatlantic free trade zone if the United States listens to European negotiators. The European Commissioner for Justice, Fundamental Rights and Citizenship, Viviane Reding, commented on the publication of Spiegel about electronic espionage of the American special services in the EU mission in Washington and in the Brussels offices of the EU institutions, reported correspondent ITAR-TASS Denis Dubrovin.

“Allies do not follow each other,” she said.

Another European commissioner, the Belgian Karel de Gucht, who is responsible for foreign trade issues and, accordingly, for negotiations on a free trade zone with the United States, said earlier that this matter is "very serious."

French European Commissioner Michel Barnier, dealing with domestic market issues, said: “Clarity, truth and transparency are what we can and should expect from our friends and allies. Urgent explanations of Americans are needed. ”

Negotiations on the transatlantic free trade zone, or "economic NATO", should be stopped immediately. This was stated by one of the leaders of the Green faction in the European Parliament, Daniel Cohn-Bendit. This idea was picked up by dozens of his colleagues, reports correspondent ITAR-TASS Denis Dubrovin.

“Not everything is allowed to do, hiding behind a special strategy to fight terrorism. I think the US partners in the European Union are not the people who need to be monitored first. It is impossible to violate the basic rights and freedoms of people ", - quotes Anastasia Popova ("Vesti") the words of Jean Asselborn, Minister of Foreign Affairs of Luxembourg.

Managed the process of interception, according to German magazine "Spiegel", at NATO headquarters in Brussels. The main target of US intelligence in Europe was Germany, notes A. Popova. It is curious that Berlin, one of its main allies in Europe, was called by Americans "a partner of the third grade."

Martin Schulz, President of the European Parliament, is outraged: “If this is true, then I’m just shocked. Why does the United States treat us like enemies? Do democracies need to watch each other? I will appeal to the US ambassador for an explanation of what it took to follow us. ”

As reported from Berlin correspondent ITAR-TASS Anton Dolgunovreferring to the weekly Spiegel, which reviewed the secret documents of the special services, the scale of electronic surveillance of the Federal Republic of Germany is comparable to the extent of espionage of Iraq, China or Saudi Arabia. On the day, the NSA monitors up to 20 million telephone conversations in Germany and about 10 million network connections.

Natalia Meden ("Fund of Strategic Culture"), referring to the leading German newspapers, describes the reaction of the German public to the espionage scandal. In short, the publicist characterizes her (reaction) as a “surge of anti-American sentiment.”

Here are quotes from the Frankfurter Allgemeine online forum:

“In America, there is so much dirt that the stench reaches Europe.” Scandals, unjust wars, war crimes, arrogance towards trading partners are all signs of a world dictatorship ... we are involved in the maelstrom of evil. " "Americans still behave like cowboys."


There are also calls to freeze the negotiations that began on the creation of an “economic NATO” (free trade zone between the EU and the United States).

Germany was struck by the scale of surveillance: millions of telephone connections, electronic correspondence, the content of the pages on Facebook — everything is stored for a month. The Germans still have the dictatorship of the former GDR ("Stasi") state of the German security. In the German network write:

“America makes charges against Snowden. Let him put himself against himself for violating elementary freedom in the private sphere and in defense of this freedom. The Stasi service opened up personal letters, violating the privacy of correspondence. The CIA does the same with personal details and emails. No difference. In the GDR was a dictatorship. And in the USA? "


In German social networks, American and British intelligence agencies are compared with the Gestapo:

“If everything goes on like this, the Gestapo will seem like a boys chorus. Then, too, “good Germans” and “Aryans” for years believed that nothing would happen to them. What happened to their infantile hopes? And with good Aryans? ”


Berlin and Paris, notes Maria Efimova (Kommersant), appealed to the United States for clarification. The practice of shadowing reminded the Cold War to the Minister of Justice of the Federal Republic of Germany Sabine Leuthäuser-Schnarenberger.

“During the Cold War, warring countries followed each other. This is beyond me - our friends in the United States see us as enemies, ”she said.

French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius asked the US authorities to comment on the information published by the German newspaper.

And the founder of "WikiLeaks" Julian Assange promised that the publication of data on the activities of the largest US intelligence services will continue - regardless of the outcome stories with the provision of E. Snowden political asylum.

As for the famous informant, the media is overwhelmed with notes on the fact that the former CIA officer chose not Russia, but Ecuador, as a refuge.

According to Interfax The duty consul of the consular post of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation at Sheremetyevo Airport, Kim Shevchenko, Edward Snowden filed a petition for political asylum in Russia.

“Yesterday, in 22: 30 (Sundays. - Approx. Observer), British citizen Sarah Harrison addressed the consular office of the Russian Foreign Ministry at Sheremetyevo Airport, who introduced herself as a lawyer and trustee of US citizen Edward Snowden. She conveyed his request for political asylum in Russia, ”comrade Shevchenko explained. According to the Russian diplomat, he accepted the package of documents, contacted the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Russia and handed the documents to the courier.

A source at Sheremetyevo said that if E. Snowden was granted asylum in the Russian Federation, the documents would be brought to the airport and he would be able to enter the country: “If political asylum in the Russian Federation is given to Snowden, if his request is satisfied, it will greatly simplify solution to his problem. He will be able to bring these documents directly to Sheremetyevo, and with documents on political asylum he will be able to leave the airport without hindrance and enter the territory of the Russian Federation, that is, pass the border control. ”

In the evening of July 1, at a press conference in Moscow, the Russian president said that Edward Snowden would be able to stay in Russia, provided he refused to engage in activities detrimental to the United States: “If he wants to stay here, there is one condition: he must stop his work aimed at , to cause damage to our American partners, strange as it may sound from my mouth. " In addition, Putin stressed that the Russian special services do not work with an informant: "I repeat once again: Snowden is not our agent, does not cooperate with us, does not cooperate today, and we do not work with him." The President of Russia added: “Russia will never give anyone away and is not going to extradite. Nobody ever betrayed anyone to us, probably, you also know this well. At best, we exchanged our foreign intelligence officers for those who were detained and arrested and sentenced by a court in the Russian Federation. ”

Secretary of the Security Council of the Russian Federation Nikolai Patrushev, Interfax reports, said that, on behalf of the presidents of the Russian Federation and the United States, the leaders of the relevant special services are looking for acceptable options. “There is no solution that would suit each of the parties. Therefore, the presidents instructed FSB director Alexander Bortnikov and FBI director Robert Muller to be in constant contact and find solutions, ”comrade Patrushev told Russia 24. - They have a rather difficult task, because they have to find a solution within the framework of international law. Today, it’s impossible to take and say that such a rule is and is a ready-made recipe. ”

President Obama, while on a visit to Tanzania, on the same day confirmed that the United States and Russia are conducting “high-level talks” on the fate of Snowden, notes "BBC".

The material from 2 July is the same "BBC" quotes the informant himself that the US president is putting pressure on those countries from which he (Snowden) has sought asylum. “The president ordered the vice-president to press on the leaders of the countries from whom I asked for protection so that I could not be granted asylum applications,” the website Wikileaks quotes Snowden.

“This deception, which one of the world leaders resorts to, is not justice at all, nor is the punishment in the form of exile not stipulated by law. Their goal is to intimidate, but not me, but those who can follow me, ”comrade Snowden believes.

In a statement, the BBC notes, E. Snowden calls himself a “stateless person” and accuses the US authorities of trying to prevent him from realizing his “fundamental right ... to asylum.”

As for the scandal that led to the “cold war” between the United States and the European Union, then, according to Alexei Pushkov, head of the Duma’s international affairs committee, Europe will sympathize with Snowden. In his microblogging on Twitter, Comrade Pushkov wrote: “With their desire for total control of the United States, they have flown into the most acute crisis of confidence since the days of Bush. Sympathy in Europe for Snowden will increase. Snowden - the second after Bush, who dealt a powerful blow to the image of the United States. Bush lied to the world about Iraq, Snowden told the truth about world surveillance. ”

To this we must add that we should at the same time increase the sympathies of the Europeans and towards Russia, the long-time US "partner" in the Cold War. They must grow, the more so since Snowden is likely to receive political asylum in Russia. Consideration of the request and paperwork may take some time, during which the comrade whistleblower will just lay out the remnants of secrets that are stored in his computer. After all, Assange explained everything popularly: the publications will continue, regardless of the final story about providing an asylum to the informant. The President of Russia can be calm: when receiving documents, Snowden will be as pure as a child.

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  1. domokl
    domokl 3 July 2013 08: 09 New
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    Still, these Europeans are interesting people ... If I have a dog, then who will allow her to live according to her laws? She will live according to my laws. And I will control it by all means.
    The Americans are doing just that. And everyone knows that. Only now ... people, they shouldn't have known about this. Well, they will survive. Not the first spit in the face of the EU
    1. Dima190579
      Dima190579 3 July 2013 08: 11 New
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      Europeans did not know that they were domestic dogs
      1. tronin.maxim
        tronin.maxim 3 July 2013 08: 16 New
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        Well, the Rothschilds and the Rockefelds knew for sure!
      2. Refund_SSSR
        Refund_SSSR 3 July 2013 08: 17 New
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        EU vs USA
        Bees Against Honey

        On air "Intrigues, scandals, investigations with Edward Snowden"
        1. Apologet.Ru
          Apologet.Ru 3 July 2013 11: 29 New
          +4
          In this whole story, colleague, I don’t understand the kind of lingering reaction of Mr. Putin. Russia had a unique chance to poke the Indians in their d.Mermocratic d. Shit, when they have their allies in a perverse way, so that the whole G.Europoid world would not be yapping at Russia for a long time. And we observe some kind of sluggish reaction to this political striptease of wiretapping and secret peeping. It seems that GDP is shy repeat to the end to finish the death of his black colleague, so that they would not appoint anyone else ...
          1. Mikhail3
            Mikhail3 3 July 2013 13: 17 New
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            What for?! Why do we poke someone's nose? They are already nose down! “Cold, pissed, completely discredited ...” Putin’s reaction is as perfect as it’s available to a diplomat and statesman.
            All in shit, and those who listened and those whom they listened to, are "third-class partners." And among them, our GDP is all in white. Calm, strong ... noble! I’ll give refuge if the "subversive work" ceases to lead. Give it to us !! There is no extradition from Sheremetyev. And the point ... Snowden is still an admin where he will work. And in fact, except for journalists, no one will ask him a tiny question. What has already been done will outweigh the most secret secret. Putin is simply unrealistically good as a professional. I remember only one such master of foreign policy ... and in my dream I never dreamed that we would have one more!
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            2. Apologet.Ru
              Apologet.Ru 3 July 2013 13: 27 New
              +1
              It may be so, colleague, but I would like so much
            3. velikoros-xnumx
              velikoros-xnumx 3 July 2013 15: 36 New
              +3
              Namesake, and who do you mean? Personally, I would put the top three like this:
              1. Molotov V.
              2. Chicherin G.V. (despite the gentle nature of the cleverest person and the most experienced diplomat)
              3. Mikoyan A.I. - Formally, he never headed the Ministry of Foreign Affairs (NKID), but he headed the foreign trade and, in this role, effectively worked out and resolved a great many external economic and related political issues. After the death of Stalin, he actually played the role of the head of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in resolving serious foreign policy issues.

              In my opinion, today in the person of Lavrov, Russia finally, after a very long break (actually after V. Molotov left this post), has a professional who can defend the interests of the country without going beyond the international diplomatic framework.
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            4. vvvvv
              vvvvv 3 July 2013 21: 30 New
              +1
              In the days of the USSR-USA, everyone had a game according to their own rules, in a certain sense. And when Russia-USA began to play according to one "rules" in one game. Those. in the bipolar world, the main games went around each pole and it was like two fairly isolated systems. And now the State Department is playing with the Chekists-Democrats, wink which are a kind of monster that grew out of the KGB and nourished by the market, capitalism. Now the rules of the game are one and there are no restrictions that previously could have prevented the penetration of Chekists into the most secret corners of the Western world. laughing Would it have been seen under the USSR that Russia so powerfully economically spread networks in the west, buying up real estate and what else will succeed. Now ExxonMobil will be pumping oil in Texas, and so on. It is already rumored that Russia will lobby for bribing its interests in the United States.
              If you now think about perestroika and all the reforms, then you can get into such thoughts that, although not everything was under control and cost a lot to people and the country, Russia got out of (objectively speaking) the moldy system and acquired a modern look and good growth potential quietly spreading tentacles around the world. Moreover, who else knows what role our super-rich migrants play and can play, who are not the fact that they have not yet been supported by the KGB and still have no ties ... After all, what will break the ties ?! And even more so if related. So, if Russia looks useful to all partners in some part of their interests, then this provides a position for expansion. If we had the whole society still actively involved in these processes, then there would have been one Empire from Vladivostok to Lisbon.
            5. vvvvv
              vvvvv 3 July 2013 21: 32 New
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              Fat plus you. Clearly formulated.
            6. Snake831
              Snake831 3 July 2013 22: 59 New
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              I completely agree! Bravo Michael! A very interesting comment, I read it with pleasure!)
      3. Canep
        Canep 3 July 2013 08: 17 New
        +4
        Snowden specifically threw up this bunch of shit, now it will stink for several years.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 3 July 2013 08: 55 New
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          Quote: Canep
          Snowden specifically threw up this bunch of shit, now it will stink for several years.

          No matter how much they ted, everything quickly subsided when the authorities favored it. It will be beneficial to hush up the matter and the media will shut up and that’s it.
          1. Yashka Gorobets
            Yashka Gorobets 3 July 2013 15: 36 New
            +1
            All these indignations for his plebs, and as it came down to it, all as the last six rushed to the master’s will to execute, arranged a circus with Morales’s plane. But, as usual, in the face.
        2. KILLAvolt
          KILLAvolt 3 July 2013 09: 22 New
          +1
          By the way, and this is our chance! wink
        3. APASUS
          APASUS 3 July 2013 20: 06 New
          +1
          Will not stink!
          Now the United States will raise such a wave of terrorist threats to Western values ​​that the Europeans will wither and swallow, a couple of months will pass and the vassals will swear allegiance to their feudal lord!
      4. Vadivak
        Vadivak 3 July 2013 08: 48 New
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        Quote: Dima190579
        Europeans did not know that they were domestic dogs


        Not a single dog knows that she is domestic.

        And the Europeans will die off, not the first time.
      5. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 3 July 2013 08: 54 New
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        Quote: Dima190579
        Europeans did not know that they were domestic dogs

        Yes, they all knew, just now, when everything has surfaced, they are shouting for the electorate and that's it.
        1. Geisenberg
          Geisenberg 3 July 2013 10: 51 New
          +2
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Quote: Dima190579
          Europeans did not know that they were domestic dogs

          Yes, they all knew, just now, when everything has surfaced, they are shouting for the electorate and that's it.


          Using your terminology: Europeans did not even know that they were not dogs, not to mention that they were home, and even more so, even in a terrible dream, that their owner was sitting in a white house.
        2. Furnace driver
          Furnace driver 3 July 2013 11: 06 New
          +4
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Yes, they all knew, just now, when everything has surfaced, they are shouting for the electorate and that's it.

          And why did you give the command now to emerge and shout? The show began with American media. The most controlled ones ... And this was allowed. Ai-yai-yay, they didn’t even scold for disclosing secrets, Snowden is to blame. One link from the same opera as a spy with a compass and a wig in Moscow.
      6. Grigorich 1962
        Grigorich 1962 3 July 2013 09: 42 New
        +3
        really funny
        1. Geisenberg
          Geisenberg 3 July 2013 10: 52 New
          +2
          Quote: Grigorich 1962
          really funny


          Only laughter is not very funny ...
      7. alex popov
        alex popov 3 July 2013 21: 48 New
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        Europeans are just one of those dogs that have empty cocks, or whether they are empty crab breeds.
        The case with the Morales plane is EXTREMELY INDICATIVE! On the one hand, they are “extremely indignant,” “everything is serious,” “we demand clarification,” and with a durga of stance, they land a plane of the president of a sovereign state, search it, cover the sky ...
        I wonder why ordinary Europeans haw such knee-elbow deflections before the United States?
    2. zvereok
      zvereok 3 July 2013 08: 56 New
      +2
      Quote: domokl
      Come on, survive. Not the first spit in the face of ESU


      The most unpleasant thing in this story is when the owner spits in the face of his dog, and the dog licking spits in our face.
    3. Vovka levka
      Vovka levka 3 July 2013 09: 16 New
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      Quote: domokl
      Still, these Europeans are interesting people ... If I have a dog, then who will allow her to live according to her laws? She will live according to my laws. And I will control it by all means.
      The Americans are doing just that. And everyone knows that. Only now ... people, they shouldn't have known about this. Well, they will survive. Not the first spit in the face of the EU

      Do you think that during the Warsaw Pact we did not control the so-called allies?
      Controlled completely. Or is it different now? Everyone does it, this is normal practice, and there are special services for this. Honestly, there is nothing to comment on, it was, is and will be.
      1. bogdan
        bogdan 3 July 2013 10: 38 New
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        Quote: Vovka Levka
        Do you think that during the Warsaw Pact we did not control the so-called allies?
        Controlled completely. Or is it different now? Everyone does it, this is normal practice, and there are special services for this. Honestly, there is nothing to comment on, it was, is and will be.

        Yes, they controlled it, only then they knew about it, and these people, you were offended. And the goals and means of the USSR and this gangster pack were completely different - now, I think no one will challenge it, it will not work.
      2. Captain Vrungel
        Captain Vrungel 3 July 2013 10: 45 New
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        The stronger the intelligence services, the stronger the state. And the scoundrels-traitors, at all times and everywhere were enough (See. Nosenko’s “feat” today in the topic).
        How information is obtained, and the idiot is clear, basically, not by legal means. America discovered. Yes, it has long been open. Since the time of Judah.
        Who of the offended Europeans are ready to shelter him? Send and forget. But it’s better to change to a similar one of ours. Healed in the states on the Jewish bread. It's time to go home, to the bunk. For earned rations and macaranas for dinner on holidays.
    4. maxcor1974
      maxcor1974 3 July 2013 09: 28 New
      +4
      Come on, survive. Not the first spit in the face of ESU
      I completely agree. Europe will stand up, get wet and start talking again about the violation of human rights and the lack of democracy in Russia
    5. Apologet.Ru
      Apologet.Ru 3 July 2013 11: 14 New
      +6
      I fully agree with previous speakers. There will be no sad end to this story. They have same-sex love and in this marriage P. Indos play a dominant role. “If he watches, then he’s jealous, if he’s jealous, then he loves!” G. Europe is indignant at the sight, he can even threaten with excommunication from ... love, and then the whole progressive and democratic family will accept some kind of agreement on allowing P.indostan to listen to G. Europe, and not only with the goal of combating terrorism, totalitarian Russia and aggressive China. On this all the fuss will end ...

  2. Tatar
    Tatar 3 July 2013 08: 17 New
    +2
    Geyropa she and America geyropa!
    1. Roll
      Roll 3 July 2013 10: 06 New
      0
      wassat And we are Russians and in Egypt Russians. But it is interesting to Snowden who he is a traitor or not. On the one hand, he revealed the secrets of the CIA and took out the dirt and is now trying to find political refuge, even here. At the time, Rezun (Suvorov) also asked for political asylum, broke with the GRU as Snowden with the CIA and wrote truthful books. Is it interesting that they are both traitors or only Rezun, and Snowden is a human rights activist ???
      1. omsbon
        omsbon 3 July 2013 10: 59 New
        +3
        Quote: Rolm
        . Is it interesting that they are both traitors or only Rezun, and Snowden is a human rights activist ???

        The answer to this question is very old and simple. If ours, then a scout, if they are, then shpien!
        1. Apologet.Ru
          Apologet.Ru 3 July 2013 12: 04 New
          +1
          Quote: omsbon
          If ours, then a scout, if they are, then shpien!

          Dear colleague, can you tell me how much money the intelligence officer Snowden received from the SVR (well, or maybe the GRU)?
      2. stroporez
        stroporez 3 July 2013 11: 19 New
        +2
        Quote: Rolm
        Rezun (Suvorov) also asked for political asylum, broke with the GRU as Snowden with the CIA and wrote truthful books
        ----, bu ha ha ------ SPSB amused in the morning. Well this is nada such ---- Rezun and TRUE books ........ wassat
      3. Apologet.Ru
        Apologet.Ru 3 July 2013 12: 00 New
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        Quote: Rolm
        At one time, Rezun (Suvorov) also asked for political asylum, broke with the GRU as Snowden with the CIA and wrote truthful books

        Dear Rolm, what books of the writer Rezun (Suvrorov) did you read and what motives, in your opinion, made him "break" with the GRU?
        1. Roll
          Roll 3 July 2013 12: 20 New
          -6
          wassat The motives are simple and human, the person gathered convincing arguments, facts, this became his hobby, he wanted to convey the truth to the citizens of the USSR and conveyed by the way. The lie of the official history got him and many. This is, in principle, a disease, a kind of schizaphrenia or fixed ideas, or a writer's itch in another way. The work at the GRU became not interesting and he broke with the GRU in a civilized manner, although he violated the GRU’s gentlemen’s code, but it’s their disassembly, maybe Gro can stand up for himself, tea is not an orphanage .
          1. Apologet.Ru
            Apologet.Ru 3 July 2013 12: 48 New
            +3
            Quote: Rolm
            the person gathered convincing arguments, facts, it became his hobby, he wanted to convey the truth to the citizens of the USSR

            And he collected it during the service belay ?
            This is, in principle, a disease, a form of schizaphrenia or fixed ideas, or otherwise a writer's itch.

            And what did he also begin to write his masterpieces during the period of service "for the good" of the Motherland?
            Quote: Rolm
            .Work in the GRU became not interesting and he civilizedly broke up with the GRU,

            It is interesting, but did you know, colleague, for what amounts from the CIA, he became not interested in the service in the GRU? And the lives and fates of how many Soviet / Russian scouts, I’m not talking about the monetary equivalent of his "civilized" betrayal, cost the country. Who are you for, Mr. Rolm?
            The lie of the official history got him and many.

            And from which textbooks and books of which publication did you study the history of your homeland?
            1. Roll
              Roll 3 July 2013 13: 59 New
              -7
              angry There is plenty of officialities and stupidity there, here is a simple example of why in the memoirs of G. Zhukov the location of the parts of the Reich before June 22 is detailed, but ours are not. What was Zhukov afraid of or the former chief of the General Staff did not know the location of our troops? But Suvorov was not afraid to enlighten and comment on this issue.
              1. Apologet.Ru
                Apologet.Ru 3 July 2013 14: 35 New
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                Quote: Rolm
                This is basically a disease, a kind of schizaphrenia or fix ideas or otherwise a writer's itch

                Schizophrenia (from other Greek. Σχίζω - split and φρήν - mind, reason), previously lat. Dementia praecox ("premature dementia") is a polymorphic mental disorder or group of mental disorders] associated with the breakdown of thinking processes and emotional reactions. Schizophrenic disorders generally differ in characteristic fundamental disorders of thinking and perception .... The most common manifestations of the disease are ..., paranoid or fantastic delirium ... against the background of significant social dysfunction ....
                The diagnosis, colleague, you, as an admirer of the writing talent of Rezun (Suvorov), have set absolutely correctly! As you say, you know better, but if Rezun (Suvorov) is a schizophrenic, then how can you believe all those crazy fantasies that arose in his sore imagination? Moreover, in such a state ("against the background of significant social dysfunction" - not for nothing that the CIA subsequently refused its services), it is simply dangerous for society. He needs to be treated ...
          2. Ivan.
            Ivan. 3 July 2013 13: 25 New
            +2
            Quote: Rolm
            Simple and human motives

            Like Judas!
            1. Roll
              Roll 3 July 2013 13: 55 New
              -4
              wassat With Judas, it’s not so simple either, if you read, although the story of Leonid Andreev’s Jude iskariot is lying, an unusual view of Judas’s betrayal is given there. Did Jesus know about the betrayal of Judah. I knew. At the last supper, he hinted about this, and moreover he ordered Judas to do his thing in order to carry his cross, although if he had to tell his disciples, Judas would be strangled right there.
              1. Apologet.Ru
                Apologet.Ru 3 July 2013 15: 46 New
                +2
                even if he had to tell his disciples, Judah would have been strangled right there.

                Is this idea also present in the story?
                And for me, my friend, at least tactlessly and blasphemously compare the events of Holy Scripture with the acts of the banal traitor of the Motherland Rezun (Suvorov) ...
          3. Yashka Gorobets
            Yashka Gorobets 3 July 2013 15: 43 New
            +2
            Yeah, especially I laughed, when he wrote the code about the millions of letters that veterans wrote to him from all over the Union so that this fighter for truth would open the poor eyes to Stalin’s cunning. fool
            1. Apologet.Ru
              Apologet.Ru 3 July 2013 15: 55 New
              +1
              Quote: Yashka Gorobets
              he wrote the code about the millions of letters that veterans from all over the Union wrote to him

              Yeah, abroad, by air mail ...
      4. Ivan.
        Ivan. 3 July 2013 13: 14 New
        +2
        Quote: Rolm
        The CIA has taken out the dirt and is now trying to find political asylum, even here. At the time, Rezun (Suvorov) also asked for political asylum, broke with the GRU as Snowden with the CIA and wrote truthful books. Is it interesting that they are both traitors or only Rezun, and Snowden is a human rights activist ???

        It’s all a matter of motivation and some details: If you are not being cornered and openly indignant at the oppression of your people by your state (and will bring facts and documents) and others at the same time, it’s closer to patriotism, if for reasons of some profit or out of fear it’s standard betrayal. I have not read anything incriminating about him yet. Of course, I understand why, but my language will not turn around like Putin’s call the State Department a partner, rather Snowden.
        Comparing Snowden and Rezun is incorrect.
  3. pensioner
    pensioner 3 July 2013 08: 21 New
    +8
    Oleg! Thanks again! Yes, the Europeans are a little indignant and choke. The Lithuanians out there already said: “If you need to, we don’t mind! Watch, peep, eavesdrop!” But economic NATO ... How can this affect our country? Who will enlighten?
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 3 July 2013 08: 56 New
      +3
      Quote: retired
      The Lithuanians over there, already said: "If necessary for the cause - we do not mind!

      Germany also already supports Internet surveillance.
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 3 July 2013 09: 20 New
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Germany also already supports Internet surveillance.

        Well ... What followed ...
        1. BARKAS
          BARKAS 3 July 2013 09: 47 New
          +4
          Quote: retired
          Germany also already supports Internet surveillance.
          Well ... What followed ...

          Further developments may well be like this about Snowden may not be very soon, but they will forget the total surveillance and legalize it by recognizing it as an instrument of democracy!
          1. FATEMOGAN
            FATEMOGAN 3 July 2013 10: 11 New
            +1
            Quote: BARKAS
            Further developments may well be like this about Snowden may not be very soon, but they will forget the total surveillance and legalize it by recognizing it as an instrument of democracy!

            In the bullseye !!! Campaign Snowden as well as Asange sent by Cossacks. Look, Snowden didn’t say anything super secret, otherwise the heroes didn’t know that the Amers were watching everyone, only he was building a girl out of himself. But what kind of noise and din from Amers has risen, in the course they want Amer’s public opinion against Russia to specifically set up, and then later on in the wake of “noble” indignation and support, you can also thrust yourself into Syria if you wish.
        2. regsSSSR
          regsSSSR 3 July 2013 16: 37 New
          0
          “In America, there is so much dirt that the stench reaches Europe.” Scandals, unjust wars, war crimes, arrogance towards trading partners are all signs of a world dictatorship ... we are involved in the maelstrom of evil. " "Americans still behave like cowboys."

          Well, even if the situation is hushed up and legalization is legalized, it’s still nice to realize that the wedge between the United States and the EU is all the same driven in and some rotten wormhole slipped between NATO allies! and that now the common people of Butet are more aware of where exactly the stench of the axis of evil comes from (well, at least they might think that it’s already good) and let them draw the conclusions themselves if they are great liberal democrats and freedom fighters like the world’s surveillance the price to these liberal lovers of freedom and good riddance is their way and to hell in the ass!
    2. Apologet.Ru
      Apologet.Ru 3 July 2013 12: 56 New
      +2
      Quote: retired
      But economic NATO ... How can this affect our country?

      In my opinion, colleague, this will lead to the fact that Mother Russia will have to more actively, aggressively, so to speak, restore the Empire and look for long-term allies. At the same time, in the long run, it seems to me that Russia will face the restoration of the monarchy in an updated, modern form, where there will be no king, but a sovereign, i.e. man is the guardian of statehood. And the EAC - the Eurasian Economic Union will become a union where the countries included in it will not necessarily have common borders (Serbia, for example, and you look at India too ...) In general, life, a colleague, will become all the more wonderful and wonderful ...
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 3 July 2013 13: 49 New
        0
        Quote: Apologet.Ru
        In general, life, a colleague, will become all wonders and wonders ...

        Well, that ... I don’t even know what to wish for myself ... Either live up to this time, or quite the opposite ...
        1. Apologet.Ru
          Apologet.Ru 3 July 2013 14: 00 New
          +2
          And wish yourself, colleague, success in capitalist work and great human happiness! And let the whole world wait...
  4. Bykov.
    Bykov. 3 July 2013 08: 23 New
    11
    ... "The Allies do not follow each other," she emphasized ...


    HAAAAAAAAAA. What naivety, simply bordering on stupidity, with such allies as the Americans, no enemies are needed.
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 3 July 2013 09: 33 New
      +6
      Quote: Bulls.
      What naivety is just bordering on stupidity


      I would say dollar-paid naivety bordering on unscrupulousness
      1. Bykov.
        Bykov. 3 July 2013 09: 46 New
        +2
        Quote: Vadivak
        ... I would say dollar-paid naivety bordering on unscrupulousness ...

        And now, how can they, poor people, drive their usual mantra, about hateful interventions, into the personal lives of their and foreign citizens, by the malicious and totalitarian special services of the KGB and Stasi? Although, you wrote it right, with their unprincipledness ... they will go crazy about us and then not like that.
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak 3 July 2013 10: 04 New
          +5
          Quote: Bulls.
          how are they now, poor, to drive their usual mantra,


          Good afternoon, Alexey. The Americans will choose the most worthy ones who will be buzzed by the masses of people who don’t understand, will again explain who saved them first from Hitler and then from the USSR, and if they don’t understand, recall what happened to Serbia, and everyone understands, by the way, that Europe put America on its hind legs fight on its territory and then America can do anything
          1. Bykov.
            Bykov. 3 July 2013 10: 23 New
            +2
            Quote: Vadivak
            Good afternoon, Alexey. The Americans will choose the most worthy ones who will be buzzed by the masses of people who don’t understand, will again explain who saved them first from Hitler and then from the USSR, and if they don’t understand, recall what happened to Serbia, and everyone understands, by the way, that Europe put America on its hind legs to fight on its territory and that means America can do anything

            Good day to you too! We have only one thing left, this UNDERSTANDING, to recall who this Herr Hitler is and most importantly, where he comes from, as well as what the Soviet Union did to him ... and where, with all that, there was their beloved Americosia.
    2. Apologet.Ru
      Apologet.Ru 3 July 2013 12: 08 New
      +1
      Colleagues hi ! They have same-sex love and in this marriage, the Indians play the dominant am role. "Time is following bully - means jealous, wassat just jealous means love love ! "
      1. Bykov.
        Bykov. 3 July 2013 12: 42 New
        0
        Quote: Apologet.Ru
        Colleagues ! They have same-sex love and in this marriage the Indians play a dominant role. “If you follow, it means you’re jealous, if you’re jealous, it means you love!”

        hi Eka you them. From this angle, take a look at what is happening between the EU and the United States.
        Lovely, as they say, scold, only amuse themselves, how to do so, so that these "sweet" scolded, but for a longer and stronger, and even when they make fun, again about Syria. North Korea, Iran will be remembered and together, in one gulp, they will begin to bark at them. How good, all the same, when they roll a barrel over each other!
  5. Shumer
    Shumer 3 July 2013 08: 37 New
    11
    What did Snowden say new? That amers conduct total control of everything and everyone? And the geyropa does not lag behind them. Any more or less literate person knew and knows all this.
    As our chief tax specialist said on TV - many thanks to the Internet social networks, we will learn a lot of interesting things from there wink
    1. papss
      papss 3 July 2013 08: 50 New
      +2
      I absolutely agree with the previous author. Those in power know and always have known. The children were offended by dad ... And the common people, of course not in the house, he was stunned. Still, the propaganda of all media, the general fooling of the masses, the persistent perception of the image of the enemy, and in only one direction ... gives results.
      1. treskoed
        treskoed 3 July 2013 09: 04 New
        +2
        Snowden did not discover anything new, at least judging by open publications. Understanding people, I hope that on the site there are 100% of them, they know that everything is controlled in our time, encryption methods have long been created for this, and even at an ordinary level there is a phrase: “Not by phone.” I just wanted Snowden to become famous all over the world if if he wanted to fight, he would have acted on the sly, without shining. As an intelligence officer, he understood everything and walked consciously. Have you got yours?
  6. tadjik
    tadjik 3 July 2013 08: 44 New
    +8
    There are no friendly intelligence. There are intelligence of friendly countries. (Alain Dulles)
    1. fisherman
      fisherman 3 July 2013 09: 10 New
      +2
      if there wasn’t Snowden, then he should have been invented :)

      otherwise they forget common truths
  7. zvereok
    zvereok 3 July 2013 08: 48 New
    +4
    It is curious that the media are discussing anything but a rapid depreciation of the ruble. It is also curious that even half a month ago, the same press for every 45 kopecks of oscillation came from foam from the mouth.

    Although tax payments and elections in September are still ahead, or will this not help?
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 3 July 2013 08: 57 New
      +2
      Quote: zvereok
      It is curious that the media are discussing anything but a rapid depreciation of the ruble

      Buy salt, sugar, matches, cereals .... nothing else we can do here hi
      1. fisherman
        fisherman 3 July 2013 09: 09 New
        +1
        Buy salt, sugar, matches, cereals.


        Thank you for supporting the domestic manufacturer :)
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    2. Refund_SSSR
      Refund_SSSR 3 July 2013 09: 11 New
      0
      Well, something like that with respect to the buck.
      But because of this, yelling, "Everything is gone !!" somehow stupid, no? laughing
      So we continue to joyfully read news about espionage adventures and stock up on seeds
      1. zvereok
        zvereok 3 July 2013 09: 46 New
        0
        Quote: We refund_SSSR
        Well, something like that with respect to the buck.
        But because of this, yelling, "Everything is gone !!" somehow stupid, no?


        There was an official statement by Sluanov that the ruble had been strengthening all this time. Well isn’t that stupid?

        By the way, if you expand the sample, then in 2008, the rupe was worth ~ 24,5 ... more precisely.

        By the way, the VTsIOM which, after the elections to the Duma once a month (for more than half a year), conducted surveys on the topic of increasing confidence in United Russia (with an unchanged result, which is getting stronger), has already marked a post on the topic that Russians are getting stronger or cheaper anyway ruble.
        1. Refund_SSSR
          Refund_SSSR 3 July 2013 10: 02 New
          +2
          Quote: zvereok
          The Russians still strengthened or cheaper ruble.

          Naturally anyway!
          Housing and communal services is getting more expensive, fuel is getting more expensive, food is getting more expensive, clothes are getting more expensive, EVERYTHING is getting more expensive.
          So what's the difference to people?
          Last year, they raised prices for housing and communal services, but shouted, “Put up the counters and you will pay only for what you consumed and not for what has flowed away!” ... And in this, we again turned on the common housing expense column and again pay for EVERYTHING !!
          They bred us ... And do not care about the bucks.
          1. zvereok
            zvereok 3 July 2013 10: 11 New
            0
            The depreciation of the ruble is a direct benefit to exporters for the currency of grain, oil, and what else do we produce to push, rather than sell on the domestic market with unpredictable currency, as well as one of the reasons for the flight of capital and inflation.
            1. Refund_SSSR
              Refund_SSSR 3 July 2013 10: 16 New
              +1
              Well, I do not need to tell common truths laughing
              I said above that it’s possible for an ordinary person to get rich, oil is getting more expensive or cheaper — prices will still jump.
              Exactly the same with flour, etc.
          2. zvereok
            zvereok 3 July 2013 10: 31 New
            +5
            Yes, I beg you, Rostelecom - was leaving, it was not possible to pay for the 2,5 phone of the month. The phone was turned off accordingly. But the money is still taken in full! They have in their tariffs the item contains the content of the communication line and other items. So, they couldn’t answer the question why they didn’t count only on the “communication line content” tariff. And I could not understand, because the contract was not signed for me but for the former owner of the house, which, moreover, had died. A small nuance is the renewal of the contract for yourself, it is like a new phone installation and costs 6000 p.

            "And don't give a damn about bucks."

            It would not matter if its value was not reflected in the final cost of everything sold and produced in Russia.
      2. RussianRu
        RussianRu 3 July 2013 09: 53 New
        0
        Whats wrong with that. Well, bucks and faq have grown. Vacation season however. Through this business, moneylenders want to make super profits. It’s time to already press the tail to the bankers.
    3. Roll
      Roll 3 July 2013 11: 18 New
      +1
      wassat The depreciation of the ruble, this is a treacherous start of a currency war on our part, we went on the offensive without declaring war and will respond to each printed buck with our own printed rubles. Then of course the amers will pour us their empty bucks to the fullest, but world hyperinflation is inevitable. But we are well done, and we need them, like Hitler us.
      1. zvereok
        zvereok 3 July 2013 12: 31 New
        +1
        And what will we achieve with this? Raw material exporters will breathe a little easier. Manufacturers who sell products on the domestic market will be bullied by prices. Salaries in nominal terms will fall.

        The only thing is sovereign promises will be used. Those. it turns out that the source of power in our country is not the people, but the power itself, since having promised the people of the Golden Mountains, it steals from the people to fulfill these promises.

        Pickpockets and speculators in our government are sitting.
        1. Roll
          Roll 3 July 2013 18: 53 New
          0
          angry Worldwide hyperinflation and accelerated transition to a new technological level. This Gaidar inflation is a nightmare and disgust, and the world’s great blessing and path to communism on new principles.
      2. Ivan.
        Ivan. 3 July 2013 14: 12 New
        0
        Quote: Rolm
        But we are well done, and we need them, like Hitler us.

        That is, you compared us with Hitler, better compare yourself with him!
        1. Roll
          Roll 3 July 2013 18: 50 New
          0
          angry I do not compare us with Hitler, I just explained how to effectively start wars, even currency ones.
          1. zvereok
            zvereok 6 July 2013 02: 10 New
            0
            Quote: Rolm
            I do not compare us with Hitler, I just explained how to effectively start wars, even currency ones.


            At the expense of you / us?
  8. Refund_SSSR
    Refund_SSSR 3 July 2013 08: 53 New
    +3
    Evo Morales plane denied emergency landing due to rumors that Edward Snowden aboard
    Barely leaving Russia, the private plane of the President of Bolivia requested an emergency landing from European states, however France and Portugal refused to accept aircraft at their airports. Bolivian authorities deny that they tried to smuggle Snowden out of Russia.
    http://russian.rt.com/article/11677
    EU - Heads are screaming and hands are dirty. What do you think? Did someone really believe that this is righteous anger from the EU?
    So ... they’ll work on the public and shut up.
  9. Revolver
    Revolver 3 July 2013 08: 55 New
    +1
    the Russian president said that Edward Snowden would be able to stay in Russia if he renounced activities harmful to the United States: “If he wants to stay here, there is one condition: he must stop his work aimed at causing damage to our American partnersstrange as it sounds from my lips

    The quote speaks for itself. hi
    1. aviamed90
      aviamed90 3 July 2013 17: 49 New
      +2
      Nagan-u

      An interesting saying. Let's think about it.

      Allegedly, they did not conduct surveillance of Russia, the USA. And to us, it seems, it makes no difference - sort it out yourself.
      But just how many Russian citizens are users of Facebook, Skype, Google, etc.? Is this not damage to the citizens of Russia and, consequently, to the state?

      But we are led to the idea that the damage was done precisely by the United States ("our American partners").

      What are the partners?
      1. Revolver
        Revolver 3 July 2013 18: 08 New
        +2
        Quote: aviamed90
        What are the partners?

        Ask GDP, it should be in the know.
  10. deputy ___ watered
    deputy ___ watered 3 July 2013 08: 58 New
    +1
    but not whether a dump of information was specially made to cover more important information. I doubt that Snowden calmly left the United States with such information.
  11. Krsk
    Krsk 3 July 2013 08: 58 New
    +1
    Once again, they made friends with the Geyroop ... Ah ah ah ... Yes, you relax fluffy, the pissed people have no friends ... Why did they throw Snowden? that’s not clear ...
  12. lewerlin53rus
    lewerlin53rus 3 July 2013 09: 04 New
    11
    "The Allies Don't Follow Each Other,"

    If Europeans still believe that they are allies with the United States, then they are naive children. States do not need allies. They need vassals. Like in the Middle Ages. If the feudal lord quarreled with another feudal lord, then all his vassals harnessed for him, whether they want it or not. Putin spoke well about this at one of his press conferences
  13. USNik
    USNik 3 July 2013 09: 13 New
    0
    Consideration of the request and paperwork may take some time, during which the fellow whistleblower will just lay out those remnants of secrets that are stored in his computer.
    A great hidden trump card in the hands of GDP. I suspect that Snowden has much more "fried" information than the news of global surveillance, and that it, thrown in at the right time, may not infringe the US course. good
  14. Asgard
    Asgard 3 July 2013 09: 18 New
    13
    We all know about the "big brother" ...
    We have "Windows" on our computer and constantly "something" downloads to your computer (and also downloads)))
    ,Googol carries out our search queries and, in accordance with them, palms us an advertisement, moreover, it also focuses on YOUR mail ????
    Skype works on American servers,
    Phones with an "android" and American services in the "Russian language" ...
    Cellular companies and Internet providers use EQUIPMENT fully imported from US corporations ....

    On the "link" found patches in any way this Link is not needed ????
    You go outside and around the Video Camera, if you are of course Barkov (personally knowing the president) then you can kill two women on Leninsky’s cell and you won’t have anything and the camera will not record)))) but if you have a different surname (or you don’t know anyone)))). ....
    Remember about Iranian equipment (Siemens)) at the plant and nuclear power plant and the "bookmarks" on Israeli drones ....

    So blah blah blah about anonymity and confidentiality is talk ....

    By the way, the “second Internet” I2P or Netsukuku was also developed by the Americans with the aim of dragging YOU and (pulling out information))) while also talking about “absolute network security” ...

    Well, whoever saw the "network" knows that it is full of all sorts of holes and she catches a "fish" large, you have only husk from you))))

    By the way, in Russia we have a SORM system — this is a must for cellular and Internet providers ... (Rostelecom, including the telephone in the house))
    Your calls (SMS)), location and balance requests are stored in the computer's memory, the local FSB without troubles with the judge can look at you info (the provider will not be aware)))) Cops - no, only on request ....

    Russia had a "big brother" in Lourdos (Cuba) but closed its GDP, since it’s not kosher to monitor it with measures) it remains only to follow the Russians .....

    So we have everything, as elsewhere ....
    Remember-Chatterbox, this is a "find" for the "system" ...
    1. fisherman
      fisherman 3 July 2013 09: 29 New
      +3
      Asgard, today you again have the most voluminous message :)

      thank :)
      1. Asgard
        Asgard 3 July 2013 10: 01 New
        +3
        Well, that was the most, I’ll write another trifle ...
        Take your passport and photo page look at the bright light ...
        See the smooth stripes of antennas ???
        this is RFID - RFID tag ...
        The government somehow explained why it is needed ????
        1. fisherman
          fisherman 3 July 2013 10: 26 New
          +1
          :)))))))))))))))
        2. Furnace driver
          Furnace driver 3 July 2013 11: 15 New
          +1
          Quote: Asgard
          this is RFID - RFID tag ...
          How was the label determined?
  15. Ivan79
    Ivan79 3 July 2013 09: 27 New
    +4
    America is head over heels in its shit. But when will she finally drown completely?
  16. Grigorich 1962
    Grigorich 1962 3 July 2013 09: 41 New
    +2
    Snowden again ... this time loudly showed and proved the true face of American politics. Their cynicism, selfishness and "reliability" as a partner. At one time, while in military service, my boss, who had worked in the States for many years, said that never contact the Americans ... never, under any circumstances ..... surrender and will not blink an eye ... they have only your interests ....
  17. Arct
    Arct 3 July 2013 09: 47 New
    +2
    There is one caveat about the outrage. It’s one thing when your own special service is watching you. And it’s completely different when the special service of another state does it. It’s normal practice to monitor the actions of special services and some government agencies, but not a “cap” in relation to the entire amount of information from another state. Hence, such statements of responsible persons. Squashing this topic quickly or slowly is no longer so important. "Darling" will still remain, and any minus of the enemy, our plus.
  18. pensioner
    pensioner 3 July 2013 10: 20 New
    0
    Quote: BARKAS
    Further developments may well be like this about Snowden may not be very soon, but they will forget the total surveillance and legalize it by recognizing it as an instrument of democracy!

    Yes Easy! They will be still kneeling with rapture to ask: "Well, follow me!" and sincerely offended if the surveillance stopped.
  19. pensioner
    pensioner 3 July 2013 10: 22 New
    +2
    Quote: Ivan79
    America is head over heels in its shit. But when will she finally drown completely?

    But how will she drown in it, if IT is a breeding ground for her ?? Toko will become more ...
  20. Xnumx kopeek
    Xnumx kopeek 3 July 2013 10: 28 New
    +1
    options
    - "How Isaac Abramovich quarreled with Abram Isaakovich" -
    - "Meeting at the Wailing Wall" -
    - "Mile are racing - only amuse" -
    ////////////// wassat / / / / / / / / / / / / / / /
  21. Ruhha
    Ruhha 3 July 2013 10: 38 New
    +1
    Here it is! And I thought that the State Department was so upset about Snowden! Well, they listened to their fellow citizens, so what. Who did not know about this, given the adoption of their anti-terrorism laws, based on which all this can be done legally. But to keep under the cap of the diplomatic mission, and not Russia and China, but it seems like allies, this is already strong. Here you can’t resist the fight against terrorism. It’s just a bomb that will tear apart the remnants of America’s positive image, which some still have.
    That's why they wanted to get to Snowden, so they wouldn’t blurt out. But it's late. The word is not a sparrow.
  22. e-froloff
    e-froloff 3 July 2013 10: 53 New
    +1
    I hope Snowden will have enough time to add fuel to the fire while he is being transported with documents through very VERY large and unexpected traffic jams in Moscow))) Yes, and our special services, I think, will be very useful.
  23. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 3 July 2013 10: 59 New
    0
    The Americans will say that "this is for your own safety."
  24. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 3 July 2013 11: 01 New
    +2
    The Yankees' contemptuous attitude towards their opponents and potential rivals is understandable and understandable. But distrust and arrogance towards the allies is beyond simple human understanding. This is to what baseness one needs to lower to spy, eavesdrop on their partners. One can imagine the magnitude of the spy mania taking place in relation to Russia and its allies! Uncle Sem threw himself to the point of impossibility.
  25. Letterksi
    Letterksi 3 July 2013 11: 44 New
    +1
    Somehow joyfully in my soul. Sworn democratic friends quarrel. What is NATO like in such conditions?
  26. lewerlin53rus
    lewerlin53rus 3 July 2013 12: 17 New
    +4
    Nekhilo The Netherlands caved in under the amers, not missing the plane of the President of Bolivia. Although the pathological fagots expect nothing else
  27. fzr1000
    fzr1000 3 July 2013 14: 40 New
    0
    That's like the United States and listens to the EU, and currency wars. And all the same, in the EU, there are only rags in power that are always ready to lick Uncle Sam on occasion.


    A Bolivian spokesman at the UN called the inspection conducted by the Austrians on board the plane of President Evo Morales an act of aggression and a violation of international law. It is reported by Reuters.

    The plane of the Latin American leader followed from Moscow. At the airport of Vienna, they inspected him, but did not find any fare dodgers. Speaking about a possible intruder, we are talking about a former NSA officer Edward Snowden: earlier there was a version that the American flew with Moscow from E. Morales.

    Board No. 1 spent more than nine hours in Austria, but E. Morales and Austrian President Heinz Fischer took the opportunity and managed to hold a joint press conference. The Bolivian leader answered questions from journalists. When asked whether E. Snowden was on board, E. Morales answered with a smile: "How can we make such a mistake! How can you imagine that we are carrying someone on an airplane, this is impossible."

    The President of Austria said that the flight route of the Bolivian aircraft was resolved: Spain agreed to open the sky for E. Morales. The Bolivian leader added that Madrid requested permission to inspect the aircraft, but the Spanish authorities were refused.

    Note that the night before, France and Portugal revoked their permissions to use airspace and airports by E. Morales airplane. After the Vienna misadventures, the ban was lifted. Sucre accused Paris and Lisbon of having threatened the life of the President of Bolivia.
    1. vvvvv
      vvvvv 3 July 2013 21: 37 New
      0
      The EU has long tried on a vassal role. But, with the ruined gentleman, the vassal has even worse and he will only look, as if to join a more promising gentleman. So I see the prospect of Russia - in the role of such a master. Now all this old bunch will dry out due to its debts, as The United States will suck out all the juices from vassals to the last so as not to die first. The cheaper then Russia will get the "precipitation" with the territories.
  28. sky17176
    sky17176 3 July 2013 15: 13 New
    +2
    American Democratization, or Is Democracy Necessary
    July 4th is Independence Day of America.
    This country is already the third century, is considered the standard of democracy.
    And is it so, we suggest discussing it.
    American Democracy Steps:
    1. Virtually destroy the entire indigenous population of North America. Create concentration camps for them.
    2. To revive the slave system.
    3. Unleash a fratricidal war.
    4. Destroy civilians in a nuclear disaster (Hiroshima and Nagasaki), using chemical weapons (Vietnam).
    5. Infringement of human rights on a racial, national basis. For example: the rights of black citizens or imprisonment of immigrants from Asia, not only the Japanese, in camps during the Second World War.
    6. Intervention in the domestic politics of other states.
    7. Control over the correspondence of its citizens, total control of the Internet.
    8. The policy of double standards.
    What do you think is missing, what to become a democratic state.
    1. vvvvv
      vvvvv 3 July 2013 21: 39 New
      -1
      Cowboy hats.
  29. Bimmer
    Bimmer 3 July 2013 15: 14 New
    0
    The hegemony of the United States every day comes to its logical conclusion!
  30. georg737577
    georg737577 3 July 2013 15: 45 New
    -1
    It seems to me that the mere fact of the availability of technical capabilities for such listening is enough reason for the intelligence services of ANY COUNTRY to carry it out. We will not be idealists, if your country has the technical ability to at least track something, it will do it. Like any other. But ordinary citizens and their "rights" do not care ... For a long time. And if you do not agree - you are a terrorist, we will come for you.
  31. Yun Klob
    Yun Klob 3 July 2013 18: 00 New
    +5
    Having searched the plane of the president of a sovereign country, Austria, and with it all of Europe, lost face. There is no longer free sovereign Europe and this is a fact.
    1. AlexW
      AlexW 4 July 2013 00: 33 New
      +3
      Quote: Yoon Clob
      Having searched the plane of the president of a sovereign country, Austria, and with it all of Europe, lost face. There is no longer free sovereign Europe and this is a fact.
      And she, Europe had "its own face"? Puppets. They even keep their gold reserves in the USA and they are not even allowed to count them there. Snowden unveiled the facts of the total eavesdropping of Europe - must be a hero-whistleblower. There, for the sake of appearance, they are outraged, but they themselves rushed to catch the "traitor" at the very first cry of the "master". So Putin’s dismissive tone in a conversation with European “leaders” is understandable. Che with the serfs then sharpen the lasses? -Serious issues with the owner must be addressed.
  32. Sobol
    Sobol 3 July 2013 19: 24 New
    0
    Yes, generally scum! Spit on all the diplomatic rules!
  33. cpk72
    cpk72 3 July 2013 19: 58 New
    +4
    Snowden is a "very dark horse" and very influential forces are behind him. Main question WHO IS PROFITABLE
    1. Remove top-secret documents.
    2. The route of movement China - Russia (both countries will not issue for obvious reasons)
    3. The discharge of information is dosed to increase tension within the United States and discredit foreign policy. Actually blackmail.
    4. Refusal of asylum in Russia in return for silence. (Well, I do not want GDP to participate in the internal disassembly of the United States - my opinion.)
    I think a very serious information bomb will roll out soon. The incident with the President of Bolivia is proof of this.
    1. Anti
      Anti 4 July 2013 00: 16 New
      +2
      Quote: cpk72
      Snowden is a "very dark horse"


      Trojan horse, and the infobomb should be. Don’t go to the grandmother ..
    2. AlexW
      AlexW 4 July 2013 00: 26 New
      +2
      Yeah, someone muddied a very serious provocation. And this Snowden, as if allegedly accidentally slipped Putin. But he did not fall for it - he confuses card cheaters. "Snowden, do you want a shelter? Then all the info that you stole to us, in our reliable hands. Your own mouth is locked and then live quietly." But no, he has other tasks - he supposedly wants to lead the Russian roof and lead his own game, substituting Russia. Well, myself, so myself - and fight back ... wassat
  34. zbidnev
    zbidnev 3 July 2013 22: 54 New
    +1
    The United States has no allies; there are temporary interests. It is beneficial to be friends with Europe will be friends, then they will throw. If it will be profitable with Russia, they will be friends with her. Nothing personal is pure practicality and cynicism.
  35. Sobol
    Sobol 3 July 2013 22: 58 New
    +2
    At the expense of the "dark horse" I agree - the boy is not so simple. Not for nothing that he, after Putin’s demand to stop "draining information," withdrew his petition for Russian citizenship.
  36. Ivga_lis
    Ivga_lis 4 July 2013 00: 18 New
    +1
    The EU, of course, was indignant, but the Bolivian president’s plane was still landed and overwhelmed. The old woman-Europe is still swaggering, but is no longer a political force - as the USA followed, it is
  37. nelson
    nelson 4 July 2013 01: 48 New
    +1
    Another watergate. how many of them are needed to understand the basic essence of mattress covers? This whole state was founded by renegades, thieves and fugitives from the law of their countries. The blood of ancestors does not allow to live honestly. Apple from an apple tree ...........
    1. Xnumx kopeek
      Xnumx kopeek 6 July 2013 02: 24 New
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      Quote: nelson
      Another watergate. how many of them are needed to understand the basic essence of mattress covers? This whole state was founded by renegades, thieves and fugitives from the law of their countries. The blood of ancestors does not allow to live honestly. Apple from an apple tree ...........

      -This interpretation is a little romantic. -Shepentzi can not create a state-va. The United States, as a state, was beaten by the creation of the Freemasons of the North / "the nation - 5 states of the northeast / - / The Scottish Rite of Freemasonry / - Civil War beat the North and aggression against the South, which beat rich and independent / cotton, -theno oil of that time / - The North Army was already losing, starving, eating its boots. And so - the French brothers rescued them. They sent the northerners a camp with sausage, and with a statue of freedom.