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Fourth Rzeczpospolita

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Any serious geopolitical upheavals, and especially the collapse of powerful state formations, always revive geopolitical projects that were dormant for the time being from non-existence.


It would seem that the proclamation of the Union State of Russia and Belarus firmly tied our countries and peoples in their desire to live in a common economic and cultural space, and the project of the Eurasian Economic Union only confirms the progress in the direction of integration. However, not all so simple. Recently, forces that are putting forward a geopolitical project, an alternative to the Eurasian integration project, have been seriously activated. We are talking about the creation of the Fourth Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth as part of Poland, Belarus, Ukraine, Lithuania and Latvia. This project has other names - Intermarium, the Baltic-Black Sea Union.

In 1569, as a result of the Union of Lublin, the Commonwealth of the Commonwealth was formed, uniting the Polish Crown (Poland and Ukraine) and the Grand Duchy of Lithuania (Belarus, Lithuania and part of the territory of Latvia). A part of the lands of Russia, Estonia, Moldova and Slovakia also fell within the borders of Rzecz Pospolita. In this federal "state of two peoples" Poland played a leading role and even annexed the Little Russian lands previously occupied by the Lithuanian princes from the Grand Duchy of Lithuania.

In the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth dominated the Polish gentry. The local Ukrainian and Belarusian nobility were largely opolyachena and gradually converted to Catholicism. The territories of Belarus, Ukraine and Lithuania were considered by the Poles, primarily as being colonized. Any attempts by Russia and the Russians to return their lands in the west, lost as a result of the Mongol-Tatar invasion and expansion of the Lithuanian princes, have since been perceived by the Poles extremely aggressively.

Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth ceased to exist in 1795 as a result of its division between Russia, Prussia and Austria, but the Polish imperial idea did not sink into oblivion. In 1920, after the revolutions in Russia and Germany, Poland managed to partially acquire the territory of Ukraine, Belarus and Lithuania. The Polish dictator J.Pilsudski put forward the idea of ​​the Intermarine - the creation of a confederation of Poland, Belarus, Ukraine and Lithuania. This period in Poland is called the period of the Second Polish Commonwealth. However, the imperial plans were not destined to be realized, since in 1939, the Ukrainian, Belarusian and Lithuanian lands seized by the Poles were reunited with the USSR.

It would seem that with the end of the Second World War, Poland, having received significant German territories, had to abandon its attempts to expand to the east. Nevertheless, these ideas, dormant in Polish society, began to revive in the late 80s of the 20th century. In 1989, the new Polish constitution recorded the definition of the Polish state as the Third Polish – Lithuanian Commonwealth. In the context of the historical past, this means that the territories of Ukraine, Belarus and Lithuania once again began to be perceived in Poland as part of the Polish world.

In modern Poland, a struggle has developed between two ideological directions, called the Piast and Jagiellonian concepts of the country's development. The first implied close ties with Germany and European integration, the second - Polish expansion to the east. Recently, these two approaches have come together on the basis that, on the one hand, Poland is a participant in European integration, and on the other, it is portrayed as a country with a supposedly special historical responsibility for the situation in Belarus, Ukraine and Lithuania. The ideas of Intermarium by Y. Pilsudsky are being revived in the project of the Baltic-Black Sea Union, which on the initiative of L. Kaczynski received a more definite name - the Fourth Commonwealth. L. Kaczynski once proclaimed that his goal was Poland “from sea to sea”, from Gdansk to Odessa.

The essence of this project is to move towards the gradual creation of a regional political and economic community of Poland, Belarus, Ukraine, Lithuania, Latvia and, possibly, a number of other border countries with the help of “soft power”. The leading role in this, of course, is assigned to Poland.

In general, Poland has a certain resource for this - the only question is whether it is sufficient to solve such an ambitious task. The “Orange Revolution” in Kiev and the coming to power of V. Yushchenko were perceived in Poland as A. Kwasniewski’s personal success, which already speaks for itself. Even more influenced by the Poles in Belarus. So, S. Shushkevich, famous for his participation in the collapse of the USSR as head of Belarus, was replaced for a while by Mechislav Grib, an ethnic Pole who changed his nationality in his passport for his career, having signed up as a Belarusian in Soviet times. One of A. Lukashenko's rivals in the previous presidential elections, the single opposition candidate A. Milinkevich, was a member of the Union of Poles in Belarus. Fifty “Polish houses” function in Belarus, which traditionally provide significant Polish influence.

The draft of the Fourth Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth is about creating on the western borders of the Russian Federation a new powerful geopolitical entity with a population of about 100 million people. In this case, the share of Ukraine and Belarus in the population should then be 56% (46% + 10%), Poland - 38%, Lithuania and Latvia - 5% (3% + 2%). The predominance of Ukraine and Belarus will be observed in relation to the occupied area - 65% (48% + 17%), while in Poland - 25%, respectively, in Lithuania and Latvia - 10% (5% + 5%). It would seem that there is a predominance of Western Russian territories. However, in economic analysis it turns out that the cumulative GDP of Ukraine and Belarus in the framework of the hypothetical Fourth Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth would be only 35% (25% + 10%), while Poland - 58%, and Lithuania and Latvia - 7% (4% + 3 %).

It must be said that ideas of this kind are spread not only in Poland or in an environment connected with it by the Belarusian opposition. One of the most numerous public organizations in Belarus is the association “Belaya Rus”, which has about 80 000 people in its ranks. The organization is rather amorphous, created by administrative methods, but interesting because its activists sometimes announce what is not very well advertised by Belarusian officials. The head of "White Russia" is the first deputy head of the presidential administration of Belarus A. Radkov, who is well aware of the mood in government circles. So in the 2010 year, just in the period of deterioration of Russian-Belarusian relations, an article appeared by the representative of the Belarusian Development Group (White Russia) A. Sivitsky “The Baltic-Black Sea Development Corridor as a modification of the Eastern Partnership, where acquired a new sound. A.Sivitsky wrote that the Eastern Partnership should be fundamentally changed. First, in his opinion, the Transcaucasus has little in common with European problems. Secondly, Belarus, relying on its capabilities within the framework of the Union State, can act as an economic locomotive in the new entity, which will become a “bridge” between Russia and Europe. That is, the project of the Baltic-Black Sea Union (the Fourth Polish – Lithuanian Commonwealth) seems to be quite acceptable for the Belarusian authorities, but they are primarily interested in the possibility of obtaining economic advantages, and not as a tool to restore the Polish empire, as it is seen in Warsaw.

You will not hear anything intelligible in how “White Russia” intends to combine integration within the framework of the Intermarium with integration within the framework of the Union State. A.Sivitsky only emphasizes that the solution of this issue “will ensure the security of Russia” and will relieve from the “limitrophe complex” of the country of the Intermature Sea.

The project of the Fourth Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth is designed for decades. And in this sense, there is a definite agreement between the Belarusian power elite and the opposition, behind which stands Poland. In exchange for loyalty, the Belarusian authorities do not impede the conduct of this propaganda campaign and even began to actively participate in it.

Since 1991, an entire generation of young people has grown up, who no longer thinks of the criteria for all-Russian unity and takes the independence of Belarus as a matter of course. In Belarus, all schools in the cities are Russian-speaking, but not Russian at all. But there are more and more Polish schools. Like in Ukraine, there are practically no pro-Russian parties in Belarus. The penetration of Polish capital is increasing. Belarusian-owned citizens are employed in companies and organizations belonging to the Poles. The spread of pro-Polish sentiment receives solid financial support. The website “The Idea of ​​the New Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. Living together is our destiny! ”

However, it is much more serious that the movement in this direction is already taking place in the Belarusian state structures. The ministries of culture, education, to a large extent - sports and tourism, information, state-run media actively promote the period of the Commonwealth and the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, calling it the “golden age” of Belarus. Here is the place and the cultivation of Russophobia, Russia is declared the culprit of numerous destruction and destruction of the population in the Belarusian lands during the numerous Russian-Polish wars. Thus, the Ministry of Culture of Belarus adopted the program “Castles of Belarus”, aimed at restoring the castles of the Polish gentry, which is declared Belarusian based on the geographical principle of residence. Various festivals and events in polonized style are held in the castles. A separate question - the tonality of excursions that are held in these castles. Belarus in the stories of the guides is no longer the country of Khatyn and the Brest Fortress, henceforth it is the country of the Polish gentry and Polish kings!

With the direct support of the Belarusian authorities, stage performances in the Radziwill castle were resumed, and the standard of the 27th regiment of Lancers of the Polish Army was solemnly installed in the Nesvizh Town Hall. Polish memorials are being restored throughout Belarus. Monuments are actively being erected for figures of the period of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania and the Commonwealth - in Vitebsk, for example, they are planning to erect a monument to Prince Olgerd in the near future, despite public protests that reject the anti-Russian motive for this action. One of the principles of state television broadcasting in Belarus has long been the replication of cultural programs that nurture sentiments that oppose Belarusians to Russians. In fact, such television programs are broadcast on all Belarusian state channels. So, in the project of the Television Agency News The “Belorussian Land” of the Belteleradiocompany focuses on explaining the differences between Belarusians and the Russian people, stories about the gentry, churches, Catholic shrines. A similar special project, “Belarusian Gentry. From the section [refers to the sections of the Commonwealth. - AP] before analysis [meaning the confirmation by the gentry of their belonging to the noble estate of the Russian Empire. - A.P.]. ” But such expressions are especially openly heard on the STV Minsk channel in the program “New Travels of the Amateur”.

In the same series, there is a refusal to recognize the 1812 war as a domestic one for Belarus - in the Belarusian official historiography, again not without Polish influence, the point of view prevailed that the 1812 war was “Russian-French” and brought many troubles to Belarusians both armies.

All this is gradually bearing fruit. According to A.Dautin’s daily from 3 on April 2013, published in the article “Russia is losing integration attractiveness for Belarusians”, representatives of the Belarusian Institute for Strategic Studies (BISS) conducted a survey and found out that in 2013, the number of supporters of the independence of Belarus is beyond unions increased to 31%, and the number of supporters of integration with Russia within the framework of the Union State fell to 43% (about half of them agree only with economic integration).

The integration potential, which remained in Belarus since the USSR, is gradually melting, older generations who still remember life in one state are passing away ... Public organizations of a pro-Russian orientation are weak and are mainly engaged in ethnographic events.

I am convinced that Russia should oppose the concept of the “Fourth Polish – Lithuanian Commonwealth” with its own geopolitical project, which has clear, specific content and clear, attractive goals - not only in the economic sphere, but also in the sphere of common cultural and historical practice.

It only seems that the project of the “Fourth Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth” is too fantastic. One of his ideologues, J. Leshchinsky, who published the book “Polish – Lithuanian Commonwealth of the Four Nations” in 2005, in response to criticism of opponents, said that the most important thing was to wait for the right moment.

And they are waiting for this moment, they are preparing for it ...

This is a serious challenge, and it should not be left unanswered.
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  1. biglow
    biglow 2 July 2013 09: 09 New
    +7
    Poles with grief began to get involved in fiction laughing
    1. smile
      smile 2 July 2013 15: 26 New
      13
      biglow
      Significant funds are invested in these fantasies - not only Polish, but also American ... don’t underestimate the importance of massive propaganda and by no means only Polish ... Greater Poland “from Helsinki to Tiflis”, as comrade Pilsudski proclaimed starting an aggressive war against us , of course, no one will allow them to create, and even a little strength will not be enough, but they will succeed in complicating relations with us of Belarus and Ukraine, the only question is to what extent ... or rather, it is already possible ....

      Of course, everything has not gone too far .... but if this is not counteracted in any way, it will definitely go ... according to the glands .... and to us and the Ukrainians and Belarusians .... we will lose everything ... well, and who I think that it will be known to benefit from this .... Yes, and Poland will get something, it now really needs a cheap but skilled labor force ... in general. personally the situation bothers me a lot ...
      1. Refund_SSSR
        Refund_SSSR 2 July 2013 15: 54 New
        14
        These are our Historical Enemies and compared to this feud, America - with its nasty things just fades. This is a millennium-long standoff!
        They are either captured or wiped off the face of the earth, otherwise they do not shut up for centuries. No other countermeasures will help or help ...
        1. Ataman
          Ataman 2 July 2013 17: 59 New
          +5
          There is a lot of untruth in the article. In Belarusian history textbooks, the history of Belarus is from the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, but not from the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. Nobody is proud of his voluntary entry into the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, and the harm caused by forced rinsing is described in many Belarusian works of art. The momentary twists and turns of Belarusian politics have no effect on the opinion of the Belarusian people, especially since they change seven times a day. Most Belarusians have relatives in Russia and Ukraine, and no one will cancel this.
        2. revnagan
          revnagan 2 July 2013 18: 17 New
          +1
          Quote: We refund_SSSR
          These are our Historical Enemies

          They forgot the Yellow Waters and Pilavitsy. It’s necessary to remind. And it would be nice not to find out who is older, most importantly, whose faith is real. and whose - schism, but simply join forces, as it was under Grunwald and thoroughly "put on" new crusaders. But, uvyf, "puff" (arrogance) does not allow. Therefore, only "hydrotherapy" through the Yellow Waters.
      2. Nicholas C.
        Nicholas C. 2 July 2013 16: 19 New
        +4
        In the Commonwealth, Litvin was deceived immediately after the conclusion of the Union. The Orthodox were deprived of their political rights (to be elected to the Sejm, etc.), the Orthodox Church was banned, the Russian language was banned (the so-called Litvin language was then called), the lands controlled by the Cossacks were annexed, they were sent "arendar", which besides terrible serfdom (papacy) , also took money for everything, incl. for what originally didn’t take money in Russia: for gathering in the forest, for fishing, for collecting honey. Even for any Orthodox rite, a person had to pay the tenant of the church building with a Polish gentleman, usually a Jew. By the way, even before the 2nd World War, the Polish police fined Galitsa for 5 zloty for a “dog name”. Mutual massacre there did not arise from scratch. Pressure, even for the Uniates, was unacceptable. Actually, the Khmelnitsky uprising was a consequence of what the Poles staged.
      3. biglow
        biglow 2 July 2013 21: 28 New
        +2
        Quote: smile
        biglow
        Significant funds are invested in these fantasies - not only Polish, but also American ... don’t underestimate the importance of massive propaganda and by no means only Polish ... Greater Poland “from Helsinki to Tiflis”, as comrade Pilsudski proclaimed starting an aggressive war against us , of course, no one will allow them to create, and even a little strength will not be enough, but they will succeed in complicating relations with us of Belarus and Ukraine, the only question is to what extent ... or rather, it is already possible ....

        Of course, everything has not gone too far .... but if this is not counteracted in any way, it will definitely go ... according to the glands .... and to us and the Ukrainians and Belarusians .... we will lose everything ... well, and who I think that it will be known to benefit from this .... Yes, and Poland will get something, it now really needs a cheap but skilled labor force ... in general. personally the situation bothers me a lot ...

        with the same success, Poland can play through to 4 sections, now the last
    2. Black Colonel
      Black Colonel 2 July 2013 16: 30 New
      +2
      In vain do you so unequivocally affirm.
      At one time, Austria-Hungary actively contributed to the emergence of the Ukrainian language (the simplified language of the villagers) in order to weaken the influence of the Russian Empire in this region and to “chop off” the above-mentioned region in the future. The Austro-Hungarian Empire sank into oblivion, as did the Russian one. The result is obvious - Ukraine and Belarus outside of Russia (this is not so clear, but still it is).
      As one of the politicians said after the First World War, "the next war will begin in 20-25 years, when a generation grows up that did not know what war is." So here, a generation will grow up that does not imagine itself in integration with Russia.
      By the way amused: "... about half of them agree only with economic integration (meaning with Russia)" Does the author think about territorial integration?
    3. vladimirZ
      vladimirZ 2 July 2013 16: 49 New
      +4
      It looks like Poland and the Poles are asking for the next section, history lessons for the future do not go to them.
  2. Nevsky
    Nevsky 2 July 2013 15: 14 New
    +1
    But this is bad:

    All this is gradually bearing fruit. According to A.Dautin’s daily from 3 on April 2013, published in the article “Russia is losing integration attractiveness for Belarusians”, representatives of the Belarusian Institute for Strategic Studies (BISS) conducted a survey and found out that in 2013, the number of supporters of the independence of Belarus is beyond unions increased to 31%, and the number of supporters of integration with Russia within the framework of the Union State fell to 43% (about half of them agree only with economic integration).

    The integration potential, which remained in Belarus since the USSR, is gradually melting, older generations who still remember life in one state are passing away ... Public organizations of a pro-Russian orientation are weak and are mainly engaged in ethnographic events.


    Countermeasures are needed. stop
    1. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 2 July 2013 15: 18 New
      +1
      Well, for example, check this publication for other articles. And also check out the old articles of this publication, for example, they cover the situation in Turkey, Egypt, Ukraine and recent events in Russia (I mean the opposition march on June 12).
      And then it will already be possible to believe or disbelieve these figures.
    2. Manager
      Manager 2 July 2013 15: 31 New
      +2
      Quote: Nevsky
      In 2013, the number of supporters of the independence of Belarus outside all unions increased to 31%, and the number of supporters of integration with Russia within the Union State fell to 43%


      There it is a younger generation and makes itself felt ..................
    3. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 2 July 2013 15: 57 New
      +1
      Quote: Nevsky
      representatives of the Belarusian Institute for Strategic Studies (BISS)

      I would not trust the studies of such institutions as such polls (more precisely, the publication of results) are also a method of ideological warfare. It is enough to quickly look at the data of the first persons of this "institution" and which of them studied where.

      "Vital Silitsky. First Director of BISS. Master of Political Science (Central European University, Hungary), Doctor of Political Science (Rutgers University, USA). Author of the book" Deferred Freedom: Post-Communist Authoritarianism in Serbia and Belarus "(published in ARCHE magazine in 2002), co-author of the Historical Dictionary of Belarus (together with Jan Zaprudnik, Scarecrow Press, 2007). Author of more than 100 publications in the publications of Belarus, USA, EU, Russia. He specialized in the field of economic reform policy, democratization in the post-Soviet space, electoral revolutions and preventive authoritarianism, politics EU in the post-Soviet space, relations of Belarus with Russia and the EU.
      He died on June 11, 2011 after a serious long illness.
      A Committee has been created in memory of Vital Silitsky, which established an award named after him "For contribution to the development of political science in Belarus."

      Alexey Pikulik
      Academic Director of BISS. Doctor of Political and Social Sciences, Institute of the European University (Florence), Master of Sociology (Central European University, Budapest).
      Since 2011, IMARES-Professor at the European University (St. Petersburg).
      Research interests: political economy of reforms, political economy of oil, economic regulation.

      Tatyana Kuzina
      Executive Director of BISS. Master of Political Science (European Humanities University (YSU). Graduate of the East European School of Political Science. Since 2008, member of the Council of the international educational project School of Young Managers in Public Administration.
      He has extensive experience in the management of international educational and research projects.
      Since 2009 works at BISS. "
      And so on.
    4. Furnace driver
      Furnace driver 2 July 2013 20: 07 New
      +1
      Quote: Nevsky

      Countermeasures are needed. stop

      instead of Belarusians, he would also prefer to live according to his own laws, and not Moscow, otherwise it will turn out: neither production, nor products ... high-quality, without GMOs, etc.
  3. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 2 July 2013 15: 22 New
    +1
    Dreaming is not bad ...
  4. krez-74
    krez-74 2 July 2013 15: 22 New
    +6
    Times are not the same, and the roads are good! Earlier, when the mud, slush, horses - a lot of things got away, as laziness was to get ... The last time when Hitler walked around Europe, the roads were good, so it took quite a bit of time. Poland, in the process, again made no conclusions. laughing
  5. Russ69
    Russ69 2 July 2013 15: 30 New
    +3
    The dream of Pshek about Poland from the sea to the sea did not cool down.
    Forever they consider themselves the navel of Europe. They just can’t understand how they are unlikely to jump beyond what they are now.
    1. tomas.09
      tomas.09 2 July 2013 20: 45 New
      +2
      Catherine II was a wise woman, and Frederick II was also not. Poland must be divided between Russia and Germany. Poland only had independence when the Great Nations fought among themselves. Like, in fact, the Baltic states. Well, they can’t be independent. Such a fate !!!
  6. PValery53
    PValery53 2 July 2013 15: 34 New
    +5
    Judging by the comments, Poland is "claiming" for another enema ...
    1. krez-74
      krez-74 2 July 2013 15: 39 New
      +4
      I always respect those who express their prospects briefly and clearly! good
  7. azlok
    azlok 2 July 2013 15: 38 New
    +4
    Joking as a joke, but gradually everything goes to this.
    Ukraine, having switched to the EU platform, is more likely to be a plus than a minus.
  8. Grbear
    Grbear 2 July 2013 15: 44 New
    +3
    No matter how you call the pot, it will remain a pot. Another question is how much dirtyness will fit into it and what will happen if it crack.
    Poland, the second after Ecuador, officially denied asylum to Snowden. Is this talking about something?
  9. Alex66
    Alex66 2 July 2013 15: 45 New
    +6
    In order not to let the Ukraine, Belarus and Russia be torn, it is necessary to give them what it is worth living for - it makes sense. For us, truth has always been in the first place, to live in truth is that idea that unites us. But the oligarchic-bureaucratic elite, the truth is not needed, therefore unification is hardly possible, there may be unions, blocs on a mercantile basis or out of fear, but these are not reliable reasons. Only truth can unite us. And Russia must first tell the truth, stop lying. It’s disgusting to see how the authorities don’t know what to do with “their own people”, they want to eat fish and .... But with others not “their own”, the court is quick and not righteous (by law, but not by truth).
  10. Albert1988
    Albert1988 2 July 2013 15: 47 New
    +2
    Good day to all! Perhaps I agree with Vladyka that first of all it is necessary to check the source of information. Knowing the Old Man, we can assume that the "growth of pro-Western sentiments" in Belarus can be exaggerated to be used as a trump card in negotiations with Russia: look, what kind of opposition we have, let's accept my conditions, or else we will join Poland)))
    I have a lot of relatives and acquaintances in Belarus and, according to them, there are very few who really look towards the west and they cannot have a serious influence.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 2 July 2013 16: 01 New
      0
      This has been happening for a long time, it was noted not only by this publication. A special decline in the attractiveness of the alliance with Russia was noted after the "milk wars"
      1. Albert1988
        Albert1988 2 July 2013 17: 40 New
        +1
        Well, that was my opinion based on the opinions of my Belarusian relatives, so do not judge strictly))
  11. fenix57
    fenix57 2 July 2013 15: 56 New
    +1
    Ena where you suffered, panov. The appetites are not measured, they hope for Amers, because they just saw the amers smell hot! ... And they’ll start looking for the fifth corner! hi

    Question: What did the Goldfish say to the Pole? Answer: Listen, man, we don’t bathe in your push, so what the hell are you urinating in our river for?
  12. teodorh
    teodorh 2 July 2013 16: 04 New
    0
    Interesting project
  13. falcon
    falcon 2 July 2013 16: 08 New
    +3
    Well, the Poles have such a "national idea - a fix" - the creation of the Commonwealth. This is neither bad nor good.
    Just dreams, not backed up by either economic or political opportunities. For "small,
    but proud "peoples" such dreams are not uncommon.
    But RUSSIA, a country that has every opportunity to integrate both Ukraine and Belarus, is open about this
    unfortunately does not state. But this is a good national idea-the collection of Russian lands!
    1. raf
      raf 2 July 2013 16: 32 New
      +5
      If Russia declares that it wants to collect Russian lands, a "universal howl" will rise above all in Ukraine and Belarus! And Russia will be accused of "imperial ambitions" and "aggressive intentions!"
      1. Mikhail
        Mikhail 3 July 2013 21: 28 New
        -1
        Do not enter the first connector.
        That is why the Poles came up with the idea of ​​wild Asian Muscovites: in order to prove that malorosy and blorusses have no relation to Muscovites.
        Pan Dukhinskiy in the ХІХ century, wrote about this whole "work".
        Then scream to the whole world that the Muscovites oppress the Russians.
  14. pensioner
    pensioner 2 July 2013 16: 26 New
    +3
    Well, let the psheks stoop. In the past, such attempts led to the fact that they were torn from the strain. Yes, so that half of Europe was sprayed with their shit ...
  15. Specialsog
    Specialsog 2 July 2013 16: 30 New
    0
    As a child, I wanted to recreate the USSR. And now I want to. But over time, it seems to me more and more that no real USSR will work out with that Russia (I can’t name it differently when Belarus is shoved everywhere, not Belarus), which exists now. It will turn out just another "province of Belarus." I want to unite with pshek even less. Oh, would return Vilnius =)
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 2 July 2013 16: 38 New
      +5
      Quote: SpecialSoG
      when everywhere shove Belarus, not Belarus

      There is simply no such word in Russian. There is Belarus, there is the Republic of Belarus. The Germans do not turn to you with the requirement to call them Germany correctly - Deutschland. Why do you demand this from the Russians?
      1. Vitmir
        Vitmir 2 July 2013 17: 26 New
        -7
        You do not call Iran Persia? There is no such country - Persia, even in Russian there is such a word. So Belarus has long been gone, gone into history, forever.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 2 July 2013 19: 23 New
          +1
          And there is no such country as “Iran.” In Farsi, the name of the country is somewhat different.
          1. Vitmir
            Vitmir 8 July 2013 18: 34 New
            0
            We are talking about the Russian language - do you think it also does not have the word Iran? Do not pretend to be a fool. The word Iran in Russian is, denotes the current country of Iran, in contrast to the former Persia. I don’t call your country Muscovy.
        2. Simon
          Simon 2 July 2013 20: 33 New
          +1
          The name was gone, but the people remained.
      2. Revolver
        Revolver 3 July 2013 01: 15 New
        +3
        For me, Belarus has always been a part of Russia, no matter how Russia is called - the Russian Empire, the USSR, or whatever name they come up with. And Belarus is a tractor. hi
        1. Xnumx kopeek
          Xnumx kopeek 3 July 2013 01: 18 New
          +1
          Quote: Nagan
          For me, Belarus has always been a part of Russia, no matter how Russia is called - the Russian Empire, the USSR, or whatever name they come up with. And Belarus is a tractor. hi
          -
          -And the Old Man in the tractor. belay
        2. Hleb
          Hleb 3 July 2013 02: 20 New
          +1
          I already forgot when I saw such. MTZ-50
    2. Simon
      Simon 2 July 2013 20: 31 New
      0
      What, instead of Belarusian you want to speak Lithuanian, then you completely forget your homeland. And the Lithuanians are no better than the Poles.
    3. tomas.09
      tomas.09 2 July 2013 21: 37 New
      +2
      Vulnius is a former Polish Vilnius. As if Lithuania did not have to give it. And then all the invaders (USSR) were taken. Their memory is short !!!
  16. 094711601
    094711601 2 July 2013 16: 45 New
    +5
    It can be seen in the head of the ethnic Pole B. Zbigniew another brilliant idea came up - to create a virtual-real buffer in front of the "Evil Empire", and Poland will always pay with its blood! How many times history must be repeated so that they even forever discourage even the thought of competing with the Russian state!
    1. velikoros-xnumx
      velikoros-xnumx 2 July 2013 17: 39 New
      +2
      As far as I remember, Zbigniew is from ethnic Jews of Polish descent.
      1. Revolver
        Revolver 3 July 2013 01: 29 New
        -2
        Quote: velikoros-xnumx
        As far as I remember, Zbigniew is from ethnic Jews of Polish descent.


        He is from the family gentry, the coat of arms of Tromba. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brzezinski,_Zbigniew If the memory is buggy, buy a flash drive and use it. Or is itching in one place to even get the Jews away?
      2. Xnumx kopeek
        Xnumx kopeek 3 July 2013 01: 43 New
        +1
        Quote: velikoros-xnumx
        As far as I remember, Zbigniew is from ethnic Jews of Polish descent.
        -
        -historically, all the “friends of Russia” are from “ethnic Jews.” Besides this reptile, Yeshe and Kissinger, -
        -It is true, there are others, like Spartak / Kirk Douglas - Gerschel Demsky / - One of the specializations of such etn. Jews - "adviser on Russia" - / specialist on Russia / - / those. spiteful / What's in the Pentagon, what's in Hollywood. / It's the same thing / wassat
  17. IRBIS
    IRBIS 2 July 2013 16: 50 New
    +8
    "... the concept of the" Fourth Commonwealth "
    And they are waiting for this moment, they are preparing for it ...
    This is a serious challenge, and he should not go unanswered. "


    The answer is “under the barrel” and will not take long. Very close by, over the fence, there lives a "cheerful" and the same "dreamy" people - the Germans. There are also people who want to combine something with something. And the name is so similar they already have - "The Fourth Reich." And most importantly, they have a very good memory and they have not forgotten whose coast is the Baltic.
    While they are still at rest. But if the Poles begin to make obscure gestures to "Greater Poland", then there is a high probability of running into big trouble. The Germans will not penetrate "culturally"; they have already infiltrated all European economies. So the Poles need to sit on the priest evenly, more often visit memorials to the fallen and remember who returned their country to them. Dreamers, dog krev ...
  18. Vitmir
    Vitmir 2 July 2013 17: 24 New
    -12
    It is ridiculous to read about the dreams of Russians to suck in Belarus again, but in Belarus itself there are less and less bad ones dying out slowly. No one is hunting in the Northwest Territory.
    1. Albert1988
      Albert1988 2 July 2013 17: 46 New
      +3
      Excuse me, but who is talking about Russia’s “absorption” of Belarus? Everyone is talking about union, and this is quite another ...
      1. Simon
        Simon 2 July 2013 20: 50 New
        +3
        He is apparently stupid, he is not friends with his brains. Most likely they become less smart, but everything remains. It’s interesting who else refused cheap energy, and in Poland there is absolutely no coal, no oil and gas from Gulkin Nos, and you won’t flood the forest at all. So that they will leave the union and will be like in the Baltic states, everyone will scatter around the geyropee. Gas and oil will be at European prices. So you need to think earlier.
      2. teodorh
        teodorh 2 July 2013 21: 55 New
        -2
        Quote: raf
        If Russia declares that it wants to collect Russian lands


        What do you think?

        I personally do not envy Belarusians and Ukrainians. When Russians tell them there is no such nation as Belarusian and Ukrainian, you are all Russian and speak the village dialect of the Russian language.

        When a Belarusian or a Ukrainian answers no, we are not Russian, it automatically becomes either stupid or works for the Washington regional committee.
    2. ded10041948
      ded10041948 2 July 2013 18: 23 New
      +3
      “Something with my memory has become!”, So what do you understand? Wanted to assimilate with the West? Do you want to get a gentry boot (for cleaning it poorly!) On the head (And kiss the gentleman’s hand, which’s not in the face!)? For clairvoyants will not rust!
    3. Mikhail
      Mikhail 3 July 2013 21: 22 New
      -1
      Do you want or not, but the Great Russia is the North-Western Territory. Geography does not change even the schismatics of the Russian World.
  19. velikoros-xnumx
    velikoros-xnumx 2 July 2013 17: 36 New
    +1
    "Y. Leshchinsky, who published in 2005 the book" The Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth's Speech ", in response to criticism from opponents, stated that the most important thing is to wait for the right moment."
    Well, well, God help you wait ... the fifth section is great Poland from Mozh to Mozh. And I feel that after the partition there will be something great and independent, such as Luxembourg (at best) wassat
  20. Gato
    Gato 2 July 2013 17: 42 New
    +5
    With the same success, Romanians can dream of “Greater Romania”, Estonians about “Greater Estonia”, Finns about “Greater Finland”. Political masturbation.
    1. Albert1988
      Albert1988 2 July 2013 17: 45 New
      +4
      Yeah, an interesting pattern - the smaller the state, the more "great" his dreams)))
  21. polly
    polly 2 July 2013 18: 07 New
    +4
    "I am convinced that Russia must contrast the concept of the Fourth Commonwealth with its own geopolitical project ..."
    And the project has long been known: there is such a song, if anyone knows,
    "Remember the ataman dogs, remember the Polish pans
    Our army bayonets ... "
  22. royk
    royk 2 July 2013 18: 12 New
    +2
    Not to happen that on the native Russian lands sounded Schlacht speech! The Mongolotars, French and Germans had similar plans! Remember. We stand!
    1. Mikhail
      Mikhail 3 July 2013 21: 18 New
      -1
      You know, when I walk around Lviv (I live in Petersburg myself), I breathe clean Russian air and thank Stalin for not hearing the Polish speech in the ancient Russian city.
  23. Grigorich 1962
    Grigorich 1962 2 July 2013 18: 15 New
    +2
    Poles are political prostitutes ......
    1. tomas.09
      tomas.09 2 July 2013 21: 41 New
      +1
      The ruling circles of Poland boasted much of the "strength" of their state and the "power" of their army. However, a short blow to Poland from the German army first and then from the Red Army turned out to be enough so that nothing remains of this ugly brainchild of the Treaty of Versailles, which lived off the oppression of non-Polish nationalities.
      Source: http://www.aphorisme.ru/by-authors/molotov/?q=5089
  24. family
    family tree 2 July 2013 18: 23 New
    +3
    They still can’t calm down. Is there a lot of free time? No other business? We would fly off on an excursion where, under Kostroma, there, or to Smolensk.
  25. Was mammoth
    Was mammoth 2 July 2013 18: 41 New
    +3
    When the Poles turn east, they have a painful complex of inferiority and greatness at the same time. It looks like they have a national disease.
  26. Bosk
    Bosk 2 July 2013 19: 02 New
    +3
    With this project, the Poles went a little too ... because, as I know, almost all the neighbors of Poland ... to put it mildly, they do not like them.
    1. Mikhail
      Mikhail 3 July 2013 21: 14 New
      -1
      There is a reason.
      Turks in the Balkans, Christians, too, to put it mildly, do not like.
  27. My doctor
    My doctor 2 July 2013 19: 05 New
    +3
    This time I completely agree with the article for many reasons. I will repeat them.
    One of the main ties, the kinship relationship has come to naught, I’m not talking about fraternal peoples and similar rubbish, but about the specific family ties of people in the truest sense of the word. After the collapse of the USSR, each of the current citizens of Belarus had the lion's share outside the republic. For example, I have two cousins ​​from Russia and two citizens of the European Union, and only one lives in Belarus. We will not go into finding out the reasons for this. So, with the advent of each new generation of Belarusians after the appearance of borders, family ties melt to the seventh water on jelly.
    Historical connection. There is generally a dark forest. I can only recall the amazement of a young history teacher who graduated from BSU. She was so looking forward to the appearance in the school of new textbooks compiled by her university teachers. I waited and could not believe my eyes, in the books everything was turned upside down. Textbooks went into the set after taking the course towards rapprochement with Russia, the first president of the republic, with consequences for history. it is understandable history is a discipline of social sciences with educational functions aimed at the formation of civic qualities of a person. But only now we realized that the time didn’t start from 1795. And there’s nothing wrong with that, let’s say we have Francis Skorin, you have Ivan Fedorov (to illustrate in the textbook of those years, it was written that he received support in Moscow, but in fact the books burned him and almost sent to the fire).
    And many more arguments can be found in support of the article, but it will be from the evil one. In fact, Belarus would have long been integrated (well, or would have dreamed of integrating) into the eurozone if there were at least some economic reasons for this. The Republic, like no other state, is VERY strongly attached to Russia by import and, most importantly, by export. So we are brothers forever. drinks
  28. Des10
    Des10 2 July 2013 20: 23 New
    +3
    Well, they dream. Well, they think. Is it weak for you ?! Revive the Russian Empire? Or the USSR? Woo ...
    As aspiring to a big goal - I respect, and so - to the wigwam to them :), it won’t work!
  29. vlasov70
    vlasov70 2 July 2013 20: 57 New
    +2
    The Polish eagle lacks a second head. Remember the cartoon "Kill the Dragon", where its winner himself turned into a dragon. So Poland strive to take Russia's place on the Great RUSSIAN Plain. The story is long. Since the emergence of the Polish state, it has been thought of as an outpost of the West in the East. His mission is to carry the Western "values" to the "barbarians" inhabiting these vast spaces. The project was defeated, largely thanks to Russia, which since the XVII century. Could seized the initiative. Hence the complex of the geopolitical loser and the eternal desire for revenge.
  30. Mikhail
    Mikhail 2 July 2013 21: 21 New
    -1
    Poland is the historical enemy of Russia, always striving to destroy us. It was the Poles who were the first to talk about the fact that de Malorussians and Belarusians did not have any relation to the wild Asiatic Muscovites. Still, the Poles wanted Poland to belong to Western Russia, as a "primordial" Polish region. Here and now, ideas are being put forward for the next Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.
    Poland must be put in place. For Europe, it would be better if the state of Poland went into political non-existence, as it was in 1813-1918. Only now is it impossible.
    Incidentally, Poland still owns Bulostok, Kholm and Peremyshlem - originally Russian cities. Bulostok, for example, never entered the Kingdom of Poland, and the Hill with its surroundings was separated from the Kingdom of Poland and was formed by the Kholm province under Nikolay II. Let it be late and not for long (in 1915 the Germans occupied the Hill), but justice triumphed. Here, the precedent for the creation of the Kholm province is important.
    The Polish elite is so short-sighted that from time to time it comes on the same rake: it goes against Russia, for which it later pays.
    The Poles fanned the word about Katyn’s firing and are trying to bring claims to Russia. Russia, having joined Western Russia, can return to Katyn to present its claims of a territorial nature.
    Incidentally, Poland in modern borders was conquered by our ancestors in the fields of the Great Patriotic War. Then the “allies” strongly pressed us: we had to abandon Bialostok and Przemysl to leave Lvov behind us (who, too, have decided to consider their noblemen their own). But, having seized the moment, you can always fix the border. All that remains is to rejoin the Russian World and suffice it enough to prevent Poland from daring to stand across the road.
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 3 July 2013 01: 53 New
      0
      Woke up from a century of sleep? Spelling reform took place as early as 1918.

      http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%94%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B5%D1%84%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BC%D0
      %B5%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%84%D0%BE%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%84%D0%
      B8% D1% 8F
      1. Mikhail
        Mikhail 3 July 2013 21: 06 New
        -1
        The reform of the orography was aimed at destroying the Russian language. This is in a nutshell.
        I do not accept modern curvature.

        Here you live in America. So, you know the English language. Imagine what would be in English if it were "reformed." Although there were those who suggested doing it. Yes, the English orthography is not easy, but it contains the whole history of the development of the English language.

        I specifically brought the primitive English language so that you, the American, could understand.
  31. datur
    datur 2 July 2013 22: 13 New
    +2
    when the Pshek carried out their actions, they hung them -Ukrainian, + a dog !!! - that is, equalized them !!! Ukrainians need this horror?
  32. Flash_96
    Flash_96 2 July 2013 22: 33 New
    0
    It is ridiculous to read about the dreams of Russians to suck in Belarus again, but in Belarus itself there are less and less bad ones dying out slowly. No one is hunting in the Northwest Territory.


    Stupid comment stupid trolling, no more
  33. individual
    individual 2 July 2013 22: 43 New
    +3
    In the publication about the "Commonwealth" a lot of stretch.
    Medieval knights made fire and sword history.
    Forced catholicism and joining his overlord "order" of powerless vassals caused constant buoys against the lords.
    The great war of the Polish gentry and chivalric orders, including the Grand Duchy of Lithuania and the Teutonic Order after 1409-1411, where the boyars of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, who accepted Catholicism, received the rights and privileges of the Polish gentry, as well as the Polish coat of arms, were sent by the Holy See of Rome.
    All neighboring kingdoms were conquered.
    Let's go down from heaven to the sinful earth. What will Pope Francis unite them? Do not tell Western tolerasts and homosexuals.
    Where is the force that will make the Belarusian, Ukrainian, Lithuanian, Latvian and other Bessarabian elite stand under the decayed banners of the Polish gentry.
    All this brethren are already pulling a blanket over themselves. They in their countries will not agree at all, and the creation of the Commonwealth from sea to sea is the fruit of an inflamed consciousness.
  34. Max otto
    Max otto 2 July 2013 23: 04 New
    +4
    I read the comments, yes ... you Russians need to deal with Russia in the first place, Belarus will not go anywhere. It’s enough not to stick the wheels, and we will be with you. And then you reproach everyone with cheap resources, yes, they say, you are dependent, then the dairy, the meat and oil wars do not stop at all. We don’t have cheap resources, never have, the low price is due to the delivery of the gas transmission system and all its attendant, Russia does not pay for transit, so that’s why, even Russia is in plus, because the price will be revised and the pipeline will remain. And Western people cannot sell Belarus’s resources for less than others, because your energy companies are not really yours. And dad, by the way, he’s also a scumbag, he will sell Russia and Russia for power and Belarus, but he is forced to do it, since it’s hard for a small state to alone, the REAL friends haven’t made it yet. Make Russia great, the rest will reach for you themselves, and there will also be a stampede in the queue.
    1. falcon
      falcon 3 July 2013 00: 01 New
      +2
      Quote: Max Otto
      as it is difficult for a small state alone, the friends of the REAL have not made money yet.

      You reason very correctly, only a small state has no friends,
      only older brothers, or patrons (as you like).

      Quote: Max Otto
      Make Russia great, the rest will reach for you themselves, and there will also be a stampede in the queue.

      And here comes to mind the phrase from the movie "Moscow does not believe in tears" - "To become
      the general must marry the lieutenant "
  35. Mikhail
    Mikhail 2 July 2013 23: 56 New
    -3
    Quote: Max Otto
    I read the comments, yes ... you Russians need to deal with Russia in the first place, Belarus will not go anywhere. It’s enough not to stick the wheels, and we will be with you. And then you reproach everyone with cheap resources, yes, they say, you are dependent, then the dairy, the meat and oil wars do not stop at all. We don’t have cheap resources, never have, the low price is due to the delivery of the gas transmission system and all its attendant, Russia does not pay for transit, so that’s why, even Russia is in plus, because the price will be revised and the pipeline will remain. And Western people cannot sell Belarus’s resources for less than others, because your energy companies are not really yours. And dad, by the way, he’s also a scumbag, he will sell Russia and Russia for power and Belarus, but he is forced to do it, since it’s hard for a small state to alone, the REAL friends haven’t made it yet. Make Russia great, the rest will reach for you themselves, and there will also be a stampede in the queue.


    I almost completely agree with you. True, to Lukashenko you, in my opinion,
    too critical.
    Indeed, Belarus should be given a good example, to show what a native of, say, the Vitebsk or Grodno region can achieve in a single Russian stateѣ.
    Truly great Russia can only be in one case: when Eastern and Western Russia will be together.

    Apparently, a minus in my previous commentary put a Pole, whose national dignity was affected.
    Specifically for Poles: Try to keep your western borders away from possible German expansion. We are even ready
    To support you in this. But Bulostok, Kholm and Przemysl are our cities. Yes, now in them the majority of the population of the Poles, but in Lvivѣ until the end of the Second World War there was a Polish majority. By exchange of population, almost all Poles left for their historical homeland - to settle in the territories received from Germany. The same will be with the Polish population of Bialystok, Kholm and Przemysl. I don’t think that the Poles will be eager to live in the "Asian Muscovite", - they themselves will leave Poland.
    And Lviv and Vilnius are not Polish cities. I do not advise revenge on the Vistula to open their mouth on them.
  36. s1н7т
    s1н7т 2 July 2013 23: 59 New
    +2
    I didn’t even read it - I condemn laughing The Poles forgot that their “commonwealth speech” (they couldn’t come up with their own, the Italians wrote the word))) as an alliance with Lithuania, lay “Lithuanian Rus”. My ancestors are Russians! - from the 16th century they were friends with the Radziwill family. They, the "Lithuanians", state. the language was Russian. We are all Russians, we have grown from Kievan Rus. And the Poles, crushed by the West, only swallowed saliva, watching how the neighbors live. And all their machinations were initiated from the West. And these attempts, too. In fact, Kievan Rus and everything that grew out of it is antagonism to the West. Before the advent of Christianity, Russia "did" everyone. And then she just caught up. Like the Russian Federation with the advent of "democracy."
  37. Xnumx kopeek
    Xnumx kopeek 3 July 2013 00: 02 New
    +3
    - "Poland - hemorrhoids of Europe" -
    / W. Churchill / wassat
    1. Mikhail
      Mikhail 3 July 2013 20: 42 New
      -1
      Incidentally, Teodor Roosevelt said in the middle of the 20th century (I quote from memory): "Throughout 500, Poland has been causing Europe's headache. It is time to put an end to this."
      It will be better for the whole of Europe (and especially for the Poles) if Poland ceases to be an anti-Russian bridgehead.
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 5 July 2013 15: 37 New
        +1
        Quote: Michael
        Incidentally, Teodor Roosevelt said in the middle of the 20th century (I quote from memory): "Throughout 500, Poland has been causing Europe's headache. It is time to put an end to this."
        It will be better for the whole of Europe (and especially for the Poles) if Poland ceases to be an anti-Russian bridgehead.

        Image clickable ...
        1. Mikhail
          Mikhail 6 July 2013 02: 15 New
          0
          Yes, this is the Moscow Gate to Petersburgѣ. I used to work near and for five days I walked past them for a week.
          Caption: "To the victorious Russian troops in memory of the exploits of Persia, Turkey and the pacification of Poland in 1826, 1827, 1828, 1829, 1930 and 1831."
          I would like to have a monument erected in honor of the pacification of Poland in 1863-1864.
  38. Avenger711
    Avenger711 3 July 2013 00: 37 New
    0
    The Psheks did not understand that the Russian population saw them in the grave. Well, or they understood, but they are satisfied with the situation when they are panic, and the Russian lackeys, like beat the zheks more than once, but they did not wean everything from these manners. After all, Poland was the first Nazi state in Europe. Probably have to repeat, and then do not complain about the next section.
    1. Mikhail
      Mikhail 3 July 2013 20: 49 New
      -1
      You're right. Although for us, Russians, Poland’s division will not be good: the Germans will seize Silesia and Pomerania. We don’t need it at all.
      We must return Bialostok, Kholm and Przemysl, but to prevent the renegotiation of the Western Polish borders at any cost.
      I agree to Polish expansion to the south and west.
      The Polish elite needs to get rid of the vicious Jagiellonian doctrine (the idea of ​​the fourth Rzecz Pospolita comes from there) and inculcate the Piast doctrine in future state figures.
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 5 July 2013 15: 50 New
        +1
        Quote: Michael
        You're right. Although for us, Russians, Poland’s division will not be good: the Germans will seize Silesia and Pomerania. We don’t need it at all.
        We must return Bialostok, Kholm and Przemysl, but to prevent the renegotiation of the Western Polish borders at any cost.

        Return Poland to the format "Privislinsky Territory" ...
        1. Mikhail
          Mikhail 6 July 2013 01: 16 New
          -1
          I do not know. Time will tell. Although at the moment I am opposing the accession of Poland to Russia: we will receive an openly hostile population and a lot of problems. As well as in the XNUMXth century, the Poles will begin to decompose Russia from the inside.
          But this does not mean that we should not have Poland. In our interests so that there will be a regime loyal to us (as far as possible).
          And the borders with Poland should be reviewed in any case. For our benefit.
          Note, by the way, that Bulostok is not included in the Privislinsky Territory.
    2. s1н7т
      s1н7т 3 July 2013 23: 59 New
      +1
      “Psheks” themselves are quite normal people. Their trouble is that for the West they are an outpost on the border with the Russians. Here they are "turned on" constantly. In the end: we do not like them, and the West keeps the dog in the hallway.
  39. abdrah
    abdrah 3 July 2013 02: 44 New
    +2
    The Polish army took Berlin, the Russian only half-helped !, such an ironic saying went in our area until recently. Poles, people are very interesting, what is their official history worth, according to which in Russian the Cyrillic, richly illustrated books are presented at official receptions and events in which there is no King Stanislov Augustus Poniatowski, in which Ekatirina erased Poland from the political map of Europe. But the real Pilsudski Pole (who spoke poorly in Polish, it was Vilnius was not Krakow) came to power shook the kings of Augustus Ponyatowski from the Krakow pantheon and brought them to the village of Volchin, the place of his birth, "so as not to dishonor the nobility with his presence."
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 5 July 2013 14: 43 New
      +1
      Quote: abdrah
      The Polish army of Berlin took, Russian only half help!
  40. My doctor
    My doctor 3 July 2013 09: 47 New
    -1
    And I’ll add in our area until recently. The Catholic faith was called Polish. Accordingly, all local Catholics were called Poles. Affects the policy of seeding and Russification of past centuries.
  41. Xnumx kopeek
    Xnumx kopeek 3 July 2013 10: 19 New
    0
    Quote: MyVrach
    And I’ll add in our area until recently. The Catholic faith was called Polish. Accordingly, all local Catholics were called Poles. Affects the policy of seeding and Russification of past centuries.

    - "Communism is electricity plus Russification of the country" "
    - / St. Vladimir /
  42. Mikhail
    Mikhail 3 July 2013 20: 58 New
    -1
    Quote: MyVrach
    And I’ll add in our area until recently, the Catholic faith was called Polish. Accordingly, all local Catholics were called Poles. Affects the policy of seeding and Russification of past centuries.


    Correctly called. The Catholic church in the main square of Minsk annoys me. This is a symbol of Polish expansion to Western Russia. In addition, many seem to be a Catholic anti-Russian parody of the Church of St. Basil the Blessed on Red Square, a kind of challenge to Orthodox people. It would be nice to transfer it to another place.
    What do you mean by the policy of Russification?
    1. Vitmir
      Vitmir 8 July 2013 18: 26 New
      0
      Otkel you, creepy creep?
      And from which rose the graves?
      You are crazy, and boorish offspring,
      What is your plan for a smoke?
      Get out of sight, common people,
      Tolerate you already have no strength (s)
  43. Specialsog
    Specialsog 5 July 2013 14: 32 New
    0
    Quote: Spade
    Quote: SpecialSoG
    when everywhere shove Belarus, not Belarus

    There is simply no such word in Russian. There is Belarus, there is the Republic of Belarus. The Germans do not turn to you with the requirement to call them Germany correctly - Deutschland. Why do you demand this from the Russians?


    Are you kidding me? How is it not such a word in Russian? All official documents are. What language then are Russian documents in? In Belarusian?
    1. Vitmir
      Vitmir 8 July 2013 18: 07 New
      0
      Yes, everything is just really, not Newton’s binoculars - “Belarus” is spoken and written by Muscovites, scoops, umpers, Belarus is our Russian brothers and neighbors. That’s the whole difference.