Alexander Storm: Poland in Afghanistan: the price of war and the promises of the United States

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Alexander Storm: Poland in Afghanistan: the price of war and the promises of the United States10 June in Afghanistan killed the fortieth Polish soldier, and 5 June NATO adopted a vague concept of further action in this country after the withdrawal of its troops in 2014 year. Taking into account the enormous expenses of Poland on the overseas mission in Afghanistan, it is difficult to find any rational justification for the Polish military presence in this country. The only explanation may be the desire of the Polish authorities to once again prove that Poland is the "most faithful of the faithful" allies of the United States.

Poland quickly decided to participate in the Afghan operation, as soon as the Americans asked her to do so. 22 November 2001, Warsaw, officially confirmed its participation in this mission, and in March 2002, the first subunit, consisting of sappers and special forces, was transferred to Afghanistan. Now there are thousands of people in the Polish contingent in this country, 2,5, but the record period in terms of the activity of the Polish military presence was the 2010-2012 period, when the contingent numbered thousands of troops in the 2,6.

Big retreat

In April of this year, Polish President Bronislaw Komorowski, at the suggestion of the government, once again continued the stay of the Polish contingent in Afghanistan until October October 13. In accordance with this decision, the number of contingents will be 2013 thousand people in place and 1,8 people in reserve in Poland. At the same time, the National Security Bureau reminded that this would be the last change in the contingent of such a large number, this fall its dynamic reduction will begin, and by the end of next year Poland will end its military operation in Afghanistan.

However, the process of withdrawal of Polish troops from Afghanistan has already begun. For example, in April, the Poles handed over to the Afghan army one of their bases, located off the strategically important highway Kabul-Kandahar. In May, the largest consignment of military equipment returned to Poland - in particular, the “Wolomak” armored personnel carriers (translated into Russian as “Wolverine”).

However, as noted by the officers of the Polish General Staff, this is only the beginning of a "large withdrawal of troops." It is planned that by the end of June of this year, 20% equipment will return to Poland. Military property will be divided into three groups. Of course, the most modern equipment is of priority for the army, and all of it will return from Afghanistan. Outdated weapon will be destroyed on the spot, and property associated with the household operation of the bases (which is 15% of what was brought from Poland as part of the equipment of the contingent) will be transferred to Afghans and non-governmental humanitarian organizations.

As General Mechislav Gotsul, the head of the Polish General Staff, recently emphasized in the pages of the Polish press, the military this time will not repeat the "Iraqi mistake" when the military equipment was removed too early and the character of the mission was changed. This led to an increase in attacks on coalition soldiers, and towards the end of the foreign military presence in this country, the number of casualties among the personnel increased significantly.

The tone changes radically

- Undoubtedly, the war in Afghanistan is, firstly, the war is just, and secondly, the war is necessary. Just because after the September 11 attacks, after the massacres in Bosnia and Rwanda, after the thousands of innocent victims in Somalia, we already know that the world cannot calmly look at the bankrupt states. Such countries - without the current government, without economic and political ties with the world - at best turn into hotbeds of civil war, and at worst - fall into the hands of terrorists - so 10 years ago justified the Afghan adventure "politically correct" Polish publicists.

This approach to the problem of Afghanistan and the participation of Poland in the NATO military operation in Afghanistan was the canon of all the leading Polish media. The critics of the “overseas mission” in which Poland participated, and those who doubt its expediency in the then public debate were marginalized and deprived of the right to vote.

What assessments of this mission do we hear today? - At least risky and poorly motivated was the decision on the simultaneous participation of Polish soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan on such a large scale. Sending Polish soldiers to two wars, to the antipodes of peace - this is a kind of world record - this is not what some underground critic of the official policy of Warsaw or an indignant Internet discussion participant says today, but ... President of Poland Bronislaw Komorowski. He presented this assessment of his country's policy at a recent meeting with journalists in the Sejm on the occasion of the 10 anniversary of the military operation in Iraq.

During this meeting, the Polish president also stressed that there was a need "to make far-reaching conclusions and change the Polish expeditionary policy." “Once, one of the Polish foreign ministers announced such a policy and for many years forces were created under this policy, with damage to the real possibilities of a more effective defense of one’s own territory,” continued Bronislav Komorowski.

Even less diplomatic and at the same time unpleasant for ideologists of the Afghan war, questions are asked by Aimal Faizi, press secretary of the president of Afghanistan Hamid Karzai: - Why, in terms of achieving the goals of this war after more than 10 years, it suffered a fiasco and ended with the death of thousands of innocent people and the destruction of their homes? Why this war, as before, continues in Afghan villages and houses, if it is already known that the bases of terrorists are outside the territory of Afghanistan ?!

Considerable military account

From the very beginning, Polish society was critical of the Afghan adventurism of the authorities, although it still has not invoiced its initiators. And the score will be considerable - in terms of human tragedies, and in terms of financial costs.

According to the official data of the Polish Ministry of National Defense, which all officials repeat (for example, Deputy Foreign Minister Bohuslav Vinid during a recent speech before the relevant Seimas commission), only in the period from 2007 to 2011 year did the operation in Afghanistan cost Poland 4,3 billion zlotys (1 billion euros). Last year, these costs amounted to more than 500 million zlotys, and this year it is planned to spend the next 531 million zlotys.

For comparison: the budget of the Polish State Fire Service for this year is 2 billion zlotys, and in Poland (recall: 38 million population) its tasks correspond to the tasks that the whole ministry (Emergencies) fulfills in Russia - in particular, assistance to victims of natural disasters disasters and all sorts of tragic events. The costs in the initial period of the operation (from 2002-th to 2007 year) in these data no mention.

The last Polish soldier, the fortieth in a row, died in Afghanistan 10 June of this year. Blown up on a mine. In March, under similar circumstances, another soldier was killed. In January, it became known about the death of the captain of the special forces. December 2011 was the most tragic year when 5 Poles died after an explosion under an armored personnel carrier. It is characteristic that with such a regularity of deaths in Afghanistan, information about the next victims as the term of the Afghan operation expired ceased to be for the main Polish media. news day.

- So much cry was in the world after the Russians entered Afghanistan, the West armed and helped those whom the Polish soldier must kill today. Where is the logic here ?! Who remembers those who died in Iraq today ?! It will be like this in a few years, when the next Polish contingent will go to the other end of the world - said Tadeusz Polyak, a scientist, a member of the Catholic intelligentsia club.

Without American optimism

American official representatives are distinguished by their duty optimism regarding the military operation in Afghanistan and vague discussions about the significance for Poland of participation in such operations. 10 May Stefan Mull, US Ambassador to Poland, in his speech at the 6th Euro-Atlantic Security Forum "NATO after the ISAF mission. Collective defense or operational missions - partners and changes", which took place in Krakow, said: - I think that the concepts of collective defense and Expeditionary missions should not be mutually excluded, I see them rather as integral parts of a whole. Expeditionary operations are needed because of readiness.

The American diplomat took the opportunity to shower Poland as his faithful ally with compliments, and at the same time to fix future expectations from her.

- Participation in expeditionary missions gives Poland a place at the most important table in NATO. In order to take on the role of a true leader in NATO, Poland must be prepared to assume responsibility and be actively responsible for the full scope of NATO operations, including operations conducted outside the territories of member countries, the ambassador stressed.

After the recent statements by the Polish president regarding the critical assessment of the “overseas mission at the antipodes”, Polish officials no longer so warmly welcome every US “peacekeeping” idea. At the above-mentioned Krakow forum, Stanislav Kozei, head of the National Security Bureau of Poland, gave a rather sharp rebuff to the American ambassador. He stressed that NATO is already very tired of Afghanistan and the fact is clear that among allies there is a diminished interest in conducting operations outside the territories of the member countries of the Covenant. "It appears that post-Afghan NATO will - must be - an alliance consolidating around its core function, which is the immediate security of member countries, so as to create an opportunity for the alliance’s shared political will to participate in the pact outside its borders in order to defend and support others interests of its members, "- said Stanislav Kozey. Misty plans and old promises

About what to do with Afghanistan after the withdrawal of the NATO troops from that country in 2014, 5 of June was consulted by the alliance’s defense ministers. All they managed to do was agree on the name of the next mission (Resolute Support) and, poetically, assure that - as the NATO secretary general Anders Fogh Rasmussen said - "the Afghans will not be left alone" and that "2014 will be a new beginning for this country. " Concrete was not enough. What is obvious is that the occupying troops of the United States (in the east and south of the country), Germany (in the north), Italy (in the west) and, possibly, Turkey in the region of Kabul will be engaged in training the Afghan armed forces.

In turn, the Polish Foreign Minister Radoslaw Sikorski (by the way, during the Soviet intervention in Afghanistan was among the Mujakhetdins), who visited Washington in early June, once again tried to show that Poland is the "most faithful of all" US allies . And once again (in Poland, no one considers what time it is), he heard that the US administration is in favor of abolishing visas for Poles. Such assurances are repeated during each official visit of Polish delegations overseas and at all levels. Although everyone knows that this issue is within the purview of the US Congress, this fun has been going on for many years.

And for every Pole, the issue of visas is both a matter of prestige and an indicator of America’s real attitude towards their country. Recall: Poland is now the only Schengen country and one of only three EU countries (along with Bulgaria and Romania), whose citizens, as before, travel to the USA with visas. Neighboring Canada and Mexico have long been canceled visas for Poles.
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  1. SPIRITofFREEDOM
    +9
    1 July 2013 09: 39
    Amer spit on everyone !!!
    And 3,14 you can see them sweet in friendship with everyone, I already got everyone, already a hedgehog it is clear that they are bloody bandits !!!
    1. +4
      1 July 2013 21: 25
      Quote: SPIRITofFREEDOM
      3,14 you can find them sweet in friendship with everyone I already got everyone, already a hedgehog it’s clear that they are bloody bandits

      The only thing Americans give out on a grand scale and for free is promises.
  2. +24
    1 July 2013 09: 39
    It does not reach the Poles that the more licking the Merikos, the more the latter find in their non-licensed places.
    1. +16
      1 July 2013 10: 28
      Don't you think that not only one of the parties can get pleasure from this process? In my opinion, Poland itself really likes what it does ...
      1. +10
        1 July 2013 10: 36
        Quote: Stiletto
        In my opinion, Poland itself really likes what it does ...

        Then they do not need to interfere with this, especially since they have centuries of experience in this matter. The language is the same, only the names of places that need to get out change.
        1. +3
          1 July 2013 11: 05
          I bastard from sarcastically humorous satire on these. It is possible that from the word bastard bastard. I understand that it is not good to laugh at the grass that has been processed into cows, but so nice!
    2. Tatar
      +6
      1 July 2013 14: 36
      Citizens of Poles, who do you look like, you are like toilet paper, in a new story you wiped England and you know how it ended, in the newest USA, guess how it will end ?. maybe you, ordinary people wake up and remember the times when Poland was the GREAT PRINCIPLE of POLISH, with which all Europe was reckoned. You SLAVES were to eat and wake up! with geyneurope you will come to an end!
      1. +3
        1 July 2013 18: 37
        Pff, who will allow them? Nobody needs a strong Poland, neither Russia nor Europe. So the Poles can only remember about the old days of the Commonwealth, when the banners of the winged hussars terrified the enemies.
  3. Sergey13
    +13
    1 July 2013 09: 40
    "The only explanation may be the desire of the Polish authorities to once again prove that Poland is" the most loyal of the loyal "US allies."
    such loyal assholes ... for the USA like Poland still search
    1. +2
      1 July 2013 10: 09
      The authorities of Ukraine, not? Do not compete? laughing
      1. +9
        1 July 2013 10: 37
        Quote: We refund_SSSR
        The authorities of Ukraine, not? Do not compete?

        Ukraine is not, but the Baltic "countries" and Georgia are ahead of the rest.
        1. +3
          1 July 2013 10: 46
          ABOUT! Georgia! how could i forget laughing
          1. +2
            1 July 2013 21: 56
            Yes, they are ready to lick everything from everyone who gives money. laughing
  4. +13
    1 July 2013 09: 51
    I remember how socialist Poland perceived the entry of Soviet troops into Afghanistan - such a squeamish mine, grumbling in the media. "Svobodnaya" Poland licked its American ally all the places that they didn't even ask for .... And what does it look like from the outside? Poland became a henchman of an international robber who, with someone else's hands, blood, read Polish, solves his own selfish issues (he got hold of the raw material storehouses of Afghanistan and why hide the Afghan drug trafficking, and the geopolitical position of Afghanistan is a very convenient foothold, close to China and Russia at gunpoint) In the world of rationalism, money does not smell, but how much did Poland receive for its shed blood and where are you doing the famous Polish ambition and honor ?! Yes, there is no honor in this matter, Poland became the six thugs ...
  5. +2
    1 July 2013 10: 02
    Participation in expeditionary missions gives Poland a place at the most important table in NATO. In order to take on the role of a true leader in NATO, Poland must be prepared to take responsibility and be actively responsible for the full scope of NATO operations, including operations conducted outside the territories of member countries, the ambassador emphasized.

    The US administration is in favor of abolishing visas for Poles.

    Firs to the souls of the Poles, then they melted. Naive people. It’s just that the brazier is not in order!
  6. +5
    1 July 2013 10: 03
    Polish Foreign Minister Radoslav Sikorski (incidentally, during the Soviet intervention in Afghanistan, he was among the Mujakhetdins)
    A very remarkable fact --- the mujahideen rules the foreign policy of Poland.
  7. fenix57
    +7
    1 July 2013 10: 12
    "Poland is" the most loyal of the loyal "allies of the United States .."- just a sheep and a wolf differently understand the word freedom ..
    1. +1
      1 July 2013 11: 34
      Cool. Uncle Sam’s licking, and the lamb’s brains aren’t enough to understand.
  8. Unknown
    +1
    1 July 2013 10: 12
    Hmmm .... I wonder when the Poles will realize that they are only six in the hands of the United States, directed against Russia. request
    1. +1
      1 July 2013 10: 38
      Quote: Unknown
      .I wonder when the Poles understand

      Coming from history never hi
    2. +1
      1 July 2013 11: 42
      The Poles cannot understand this due to the presence of the "Six" gene. For them, this is a given of being, which has been repeatedly confirmed by History.
  9. +2
    1 July 2013 10: 17
    Poland is "the most loyal of the loyal" allies of the United States

    Yeah! It’s not in vain that friends should be friends. But the United States has friends. Well, rightly so. smile
    1. HAM
      +2
      1 July 2013 14: 01
      Poland, a prostitute in Europe, so grandfather Lenin said! And not without reason, Pshek loves a freebie, however, you have to pay for your freebie with your cattle skins.
  10. +3
    1 July 2013 10: 17
    Poland is "the most loyal of the loyal" allies of the United States.

    They wanted to lick their ass with their best friends, and lick with their eyes open. You have the money, so give it to your uncle Sam. He will squeeze this money out of you even without your consent.
  11. KononAV
    +1
    1 July 2013 10: 26
    This happiness was for the Poles.
    1. +1
      1 July 2013 22: 00
      Apparently I like to run in the sixes of amers. laughing
  12. +1
    1 July 2013 10: 43
    Is there any financial gain for Poland in the military conflicts of Iraq and Afghanistan?
    Maybe they are provided with equipment for free, they pay loss pensions?
    Redistributing traffic flows in favor of Poland.
    What is the joy of the Poles in these American military adventures?
  13. +4
    1 July 2013 10: 47
    Poland ... at all times has been looking for the mighty of this world, who would help her become the center of the Slavic world "from can to can," and therefore Lisa to everyone she could reach. And at all times flew with a whistle. History has not taught them anything, everything is repeated with a persistence worthy of a better application ...
    1. +4
      1 July 2013 11: 48
      Vladimir Voinovich ("The Life and Extraordinary Adventures of the Soldier Ivan Chonkin") has an episode where an unlucky pickpocket dreamed of becoming a six at some (any) godfather and so that no bastard could even look at him askance after that. Very similar to Polish politics.
      1. 0
        1 July 2013 16: 23
        to the very point !!!
  14. +9
    1 July 2013 10: 54
    I think it will not be superfluous to recall the words of our enemy, Winston Churchill. It is not without reason that he described Poland as a hyena of Europe. And she proudly carries this title. History is a great thing, you just have to turn to it.
    1. +2
      1 July 2013 12: 39
      That is, they feed on carrion and stray into codles for the beatings of the weak?
      1. 0
        1 July 2013 13: 17
        Exactly. Yes, and the necessary examples are available.
  15. Sergey13
    +3
    1 July 2013 11: 00
    Quote: We refund_SSSR
    The authorities of Ukraine, not? Do not compete? laughing

    HER the Ukrainian authorities are a political prostitute like Trotsky, and only the authorities, it’s a sin to speak for all Ukrainians, but Poland — here every 2 pshek would be nice to lick to their overseas friends
  16. stroporez
    +1
    1 July 2013 11: 01
    , PPC ------- "..... after the massacres in Bosnia and Rwanda ...." and who organized these killings !!!! ?????????? sho I sank myself on the finger the neighbor is to blame !! ??????
  17. +2
    1 July 2013 11: 15
    I think if Polish firefighters regularly died in fires in the United States (which the Polish government agreed to immediately) the budget of the "Polish limited US firefighting contingent" would easily overlap the entire budget of the Polish Ministry of Defense!
  18. +4
    1 July 2013 11: 18
    the costs of American democracy
  19. +3
    1 July 2013 11: 18
    There was so much scream in the world after the Russians entered Afghanistan, the West armed and helped those whom the Polish soldier should kill today. Where is the logic here ?!

    The logic is clear: "Show Russia that what you were unable to do, the North Atlantic will do" and the faithful Poles.
    But it turned out to be a complete ass!
    И "the sounds of a carcass turn into a mourning melody!"
    This was understood by the President of Poland Bronislaw Komorowski.
    But this problem is in the competence of the US State Department, and the Pentagon's fun has been going on for many years.
  20. +3
    1 July 2013 12: 13
    It’s worthless for the Poles in the Soviet Union to rush to the West for a good life; well, I can’t get it at all. ). Here and the whole former Warsaw Pact is now howling, mother give birth to us back.
  21. aepocmam
    +1
    1 July 2013 13: 16
    Quote: My address
    It does not reach the Poles that the more licking the Merikos, the more the latter find in their non-licensed places.

    The same can be said about the EU in relation to the EU.
  22. +1
    1 July 2013 13: 53
    Poles are something incomparable. And do not learn anything. The charm. Like small children.
    1. +1
      1 July 2013 22: 03
      And why study, amers think for them. request
  23. +4
    1 July 2013 15: 01
    By joining NATO, Poland is struggling to demonstrate its loyalty to US interests. Even the "old-timers" of NATO, Germany and France, are surprised by such unconditional support for all "undertakings" of Washington. Soldiers of Poland are killed. Who needs it? Like all NATO "peacekeepers", Poland will withdraw its contingent from Afghanistan next year. I would like to ask the Poles: did you achieve your goals in the afghan war?
  24. VDV 80-82
    +2
    1 July 2013 17: 22
    maybe this Poland isn’t worth talking so much about? everything has been clear with her for a long time ...
  25. +4
    1 July 2013 17: 25
    Oh this Afghanistan! I like the pitiful cries of the "allies" with honey! After all, what is the cry of the orphan Marysia? DON'T SHARE !! This is what the interior, sub-heart ...
    What was the joke of humor with the Afghan invasion? The global economy is popping. It crackles from the oceans of an unsecured dough, besides it was distributed to hundreds of millions of Europeans rotten from a butt. Well, as with the signs of a crisis, they will show all this money for different real things (not to be confused with iPhones and tattered pants). But they will begin to find out for example who is really the owner of the gold they bought ...
    In short - money needs to be somehow pumped out of the economy and ... destroyed. Exactly so, this is the whole point, unsecured pieces of paper will reduce the pressure on the financial system and the modern method of robbing everyone and everything will still live. But one must not allow real things to be bought on empty pieces of paper, otherwise it will not be a decrease, but an increase in imbalances. And then there was a solution.
    Capturing Afghanistan. We are creating there on the basis of artisanal drug abuse a modern system, according to the latest business techniques, cultivation and chemical fabrication of mountains of drugs. Then, on conveniently snooping round and round military boards, we bring all this democratic good to Europe. We solve a lot of problems! Pumping money out. We feed our own pocket (how without this ?!) We turn on the mechanism of social Darwinism - let the rotten Western society get rid of excessively prolific fools (because the drug addict is first of all defective, having crossed himself out of the world, not worthy of life himself) And so on. ..
    I must say, I succeeded. Well, almost ... Destroying the money, that's what the bad luck came with. This turned out to be beyond the capabilities of the "omnipotent" world behind the scenes. The rest went brilliantly ... the only question is - why did the Poles take revenge, what will they share with them ?! The Poles received pies and donuts only from the USSR, which is why they hated it so much. The West made the right conclusion, no matter what the Poles did, they will now only get bruises and bumps. And love with licking in them in relation to the West will only grow ...
  26. +3
    1 July 2013 19: 17
    Participation in expeditionary missions gives Poland a place at the most important table in NATO. To take on the role of a true leader in NATO, Poland must be ready in order to take responsibility and be actively responsible for the full scope of NATO operations, including operations conducted outside the territories of member countries, the ambassador emphasized.

    Poland is the leader of NATO and the ruler of the world.
    Here is a truly exaggerated opinion of their own significance.
    Well, in any way the "hyena of Europe" brains do not get up.
    Either the Poles bowed before France and England, then they cringed before Hitler, called them to attack the USSR, and this did not end well for the Poles.
    Now they are pleasing the Yankees and NATO strive to use for their own purposes.
  27. +4
    1 July 2013 21: 35
    The more disagreements and contradictions they have, the easier for us! smile
  28. +2
    1 July 2013 22: 00
    I didn’t know that being in arms in the territory of another state is fair ... It's a pity for the Poles ... how many their friends allies in history threw ... but they didn’t learn anything ...
  29. +1
    1 July 2013 22: 09
    Oh, you all.
    I care about Poland.
    She was asked to help - she helped. And before that, in history, she fought. Well, it’s not with us now that she is in the allies — her own fate.
    It’s always depressing when people use insulting words at a safe distance. However, the level is appropriate - courage.
  30. misham
    +1
    1 July 2013 23: 58
    The article is normal. Everything is drawn as is.

    Depressing only comments litter, prostitute, licking, etc.
    Lucky the States have allies everywhere, ready at the first call to send their soldiers into battle. The Poles could easily make a smart face and not fit into yet another dubious adventure, and nevertheless remained to the end. Respect allies. We would have such partners

    France started a war in Mali. So immediately the British, Germans, Italians hastened not so drone soldiers, ammunition or help in logistics + PMCs (read the temporary retirees of all there SAS and GHA-9)

    And who has Russia. ARMY and Navy (+ Aviation and Strategic Rocket Forces), say the patriots.
    And who really
    CSTO - unless the father of the army. The rest is in the bushes.
    South Ossetia and Abkhazia - allotted for a reinforced company.
    IRAN and Syria only in words. In the East, promises are not particularly worthwhile. Egypt Saddat is an example to follow.
    Venezuela and Cuba. Also no. Although the Cubans showed excellent performance in Angola. But they did not forget how they were thrown in 91
    for fun, the South Cyprus Autonomous Republic.

    In addition to the Belarusians, no one will even distinguish a turret squadron. Either they don’t want or cannot.
    1. 0
      2 July 2013 00: 46
      And we don’t need it, we can do without snotty
    2. Ruslandeth
      0
      2 July 2013 04: 05
      You see, yes, we have few allies and friends, and they themselves are small.

      but you know what they say? small spool but precious. Those of those who follow us - Abkhazia and Yu.O. in a reinforced company. Yes. few. But they will follow us like brothers and friends, but not like a bag of dough, maybe something will break off.

      Here is Lukashenko, yes he is ... if he goes then for profit.

      To each his own. US buys. We are looking for good from good .. It is a pity that just in realpolitik loot decides everything. We did little good in the Caucasus? In the Balkans? Yes in the same Eastern Europe or Southeast Asia? No, not a little. But they all run after the fat bucks.

      Well, alright, yourself with a mustache. She is not in the first. Yes, and do not need such corrupt friends. The army and navy are our everything.

      And finally .. Unlike the United States, we do not lean on the whole code. We make porridge ourselves - we dissolve ourselves. The same Afghanistan, Georgia - all by ourselves, although they could have connected the Warsaw Pact and the CSTO
  31. z-exit
    0
    2 July 2013 15: 39
    "Author Alexander Storm"
    They will pick the same stupid, stupid names. Would write without embarrassment his "Rabinovich" or "Ferdyshenko", well, or "Rabinovich-Ferdyshenko" as there his mother I don't know gave birth