Fun of the Two-faced Janus

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It seems to me that it is difficult now to find a person who has not heard such a “simple American surname” as Snowden at least once. The young American “nerd” of a subtle physique, quite unexpectedly for everyone (I think, for himself too) became the cornerstone of the relationship between a number of countries, including such giants of international politics as Russia and China! This is a phenomenon. But not in the sense that it is something out of the ordinary (dissidents have met and are meeting everywhere and always), but in the sense of that unprecedented and frantic noisy reaction that followed from the "main pillar of the democracy of the whole world." Well, the situation itself, as such, is similar to those that have arisen before. It’s enough to illustrate their presence to recall the frictions that arose on the occasion of the flight abroad of Kalugin, the tough confrontation on the occasion of the detention by the Soviet secret services E. Pope, for the sake of the liberation of which the US was ready to put relations between the USSR and the USA to the brink of open confrontation. But if these two cases and many other, less visible ones, were in the nature of a purely struggle to protect their military-technical secrets and the hunt for strangers, the latter case, to a greater extent, acquired a moral and political tint.

Trying to get Snowden back "in the bosom of democracy", the Americans here are trying more to save the "good name" of their special services. But the train is gone. As stated in the joke - "... Died, so - died." If the struggle “for an honest name” arose, so to speak, “from scratch” i. if this name would not have been discredited by so many examples (Afghanistan, Iraq, Guantanamo Prison ...), then one could listen to the eloquent accusatory speeches of American diplomats and blush from accusations against Russia, and listen to requests for extradition of E. Snowden , but something interferes, something holds ... What? And the fact that recently the States themselves have prepared the ground for such an attitude towards themselves. Everyone knows the "odyssey" of Russian citizen Bout, captured by US intelligence services in one country on trumped-up and provoked charges and transferred to another prison. And all this is “in defense of interests”, and appeals to heed the opinion and evidence of the Russian side are successfully broken down like raindrops on the windshield of a speeding car. So how can you defiantly ignoring the arguments of the partner (as is often stated in political statements) and simply stepping over his opinion, expect grateful attention from this partner? It was here that a situation happened when a high-handed burglar gets a “turn-around”. And it does not cause much indignation. Is that light gloating ... But, what really revolts?

And it is outraged that, being carried away by accusations against Russia because of its unwillingness to extradite E. Snowden on demand, the staff members, as they say, “lured the shores”. Everywhere, all over the world, the postulate, faithfully observed (supposedly!) By the American authorities - the rule of law, was impatiently driven into the heads of people. And here, in a situation with a fluent CIA-shny intellectual, we see how this postulate is simply reduced to the status of telephone law. In a situation where there is no agreement between Russia and the United States on the mutual extradition of fugitives, American diplomats initially simply arrogantly demanded, and now appeal to conscience in their attempts to force Russia to return Snowden to their beloved homeland, thereby offering Russia to violate international law and violate just the rights of the individual. And what Russia would look like in the eyes of the world community if it were caved in or falsely ashamed of American reproaches.

One thing is clear - in the situation when the situation of dragging various kinds of secrets carriers to themselves was beneficial to the States and it seemed that it would always be so, they safely evaded numerous appeals from the Russian side to sign an agreement on the extradition of refugees. And when the situation began to evolve backward, proposals to consider the signing of such an agreement were already voiced. So what is this phenomenon - the rule of law in the States? It seems that the US legislators themselves will be in difficulty if asked about it. Because we have an excellent opportunity to observe one of the manifestations of the principle of double standards that is no less familiar to many. From this conclusion - the Law - it is and the thing is good. But in practice, following the principle of the rule of law in the States is the worship of the two-faced Janus - I say one thing and do another. And it is good and significant that it can be seen not only from the Russian limits. Ecuador (a small dwarf in comparison with the States), defending its moral principles and international authority, is ready to complicate relations with the States and the loss of significant trade preferences. And one more good thing is that Russia in this case is very well in the role of just a champion of international law and a guarantor of human rights.

So, good luck to us all and happiness in our country, colleagues.
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  1. +11
    1 July 2013 07: 02
    But keeping the principle of the rule of law in the States in practice is worshiping the Two-Faced Janus - Judging by the equalization of the rights of normal with gays, worship has long been Two-Faced Anus. And a civilizational platform built on a lie (Western democracy) cannot produce any normal fruits. Only double standards, only a clear division into their own (their freedom, protection, dem. Values) and others (they attack drones and tomahawks, the invasion of troops and help cannibals). Even already tired of writing about the inadequate US state education.

    I even caught one minus. Strange ... what
  2. +4
    1 July 2013 07: 02
    You know, from the time of Caesar and Genghis Khan: you can be 100% right according to all international laws, but if your rightness is not backed up by force, you will still be wrong.
    So it’s not a matter of two-faced worship, but normal international practice.
    But the fact that the US is no longer considered is eloquent about the end of a unipolar world.
    1. 0
      1 July 2013 11: 19
      Anglo-Saxons are so sure of their innocence that they are simply not interested in any standards of law. Like in that joke:
      1. The owner is always right.
      2. If not, see paragraph 1
  3. +6
    1 July 2013 07: 04
    My opinion is to issue a passport to Snowden, and settle it somewhere on a thread in Chechnya, Ramzan will accept it with pleasure, complement Gerard. Having previously given him an apartment there in Grozny. Let it work for the good of the new homeland - Russia.
    1. 0
      1 July 2013 07: 24
      Snowden revealed Openel's secret. Everyone knows that the special services are engaged in all sorts of unsightly things. The point is in the details, and now, it suddenly became known that they also follow each other, do not trust their "partners" even within NATO - only into the hands of Moscow.
      I think the best option is to bargain with the striped ones, play for time and exchange this bespectacled man for one of our own ... Maybe even "to serve a sentence" or "to pass a sentence." I would try to get one shit out of Israel who was sentenced to life in prison for the murder of the mayor of Nizhnevartovsk (there was an anniversary recently, they commemorated) ...
      1. 0
        1 July 2013 11: 26
        Quote: TRex
        , who was sentenced to life imprisonment for the murder of the mayor of Nizhnevartovsk (the anniversary was recently remembered) ...

        Mayor of Nefteyugansk-Yuri Petukhov.
        No need to change him for anyone. Not to Buta, nor to this lurking sinister.
        We’ll solve our personal problems ourselves. But if we give these jackals to be torn to pieces, then we will definitely wash ourselves with contempt of the entire decent world community!
    2. 0
      1 July 2013 09: 52
      Quote: Scandinavian
      Ramzan will accept him with pleasure, complement Gerard. Having previously given him an apartment there in Grozny. Let it work for the good of the new homeland - Russia.

      And does a fat drunkard who escaped from taxes work for the good of Russia?
      1. 0
        2 July 2013 07: 28
        Giving Snowden to amer is like giving a child who asks you for protection to a thug-rapist. Whatever this "child" does, his punishment is clearly excessive. So let them go through the forest of p and n o stanzas.
  4. +2
    1 July 2013 07: 04
    This story dragged on, you won’t envy Snowden, the best thing for him is to get asylum in Russia, but Putin is not enthusiastic about this idea, maybe because he is a traitor in Africa and a traitor. Old Man generally keeps quiet. Venezuela seems to agree to accept it. I wonder how it will end.
  5. +6
    1 July 2013 07: 06
    I liked the expression about invoking conscience. That is, by default they mean: "We know that I am a complete ram and I sit in it, but you are a normal man, well, be a man, well, give it back. And I can promise you what I want. But after giving the guy back!"

    I wonder how they immediately changed the tonality after Ecuador pulled these brazen-Saxons (not my expression). So it is necessary all with this news.

    The boys and girls from the embassy know whom and other liberasts! Hey! Waiting for cons! Wake up, it's time to work out the bread with the nozzles and tears. Sorry to hurt, I am stimulating you.
    1. +3
      1 July 2013 07: 21
      Quote: My address
      I liked the expression about the appeal to conscience.

      Colleague, hi ! Good morning everyone, and given the many time zones, day, evening (nights usually want a quiet wink) Russia will turn red then when it happens to the USA (feel), but this will not happen, rather the cancer will hang on the mountain wassat , since such a concept as conscience of the latter is completely absent. America was born without it and continues to live without it negative , conscience is not a matter of negligence, and one cannot buy it for money No.
  6. fenix57
    +7
    1 July 2013 07: 14
    Hello! "In a situation where between Russia and the United States there is no agreement on the mutual extradition of fugitives .."with Snowden amers stumbled upon their own pitchfork. Yes
  7. Trofimov174
    +2
    1 July 2013 07: 14
    Unfortunately, it seems that no one is interested in granting political asylum to Snowden. A man has not come out of Sheremetyevo for a week now, thanks to the annulment by the Americans of his citizenship, his fate has completely passed into the hands of Russian ministers, and no comments have been received from them. Not interested because of Snowden’s likely refusal to cooperate with Russian special services? But this does not diminish the value of his salvation, the good for asylum will become a bomb primarily for the American society, which mostly approves of this fugitive’s action, and in the future it can play a significant role when this society itself wants a leader who does not want to swear with By Russia. I’m not saying that granting asylum will finally dispel doubts and confirm the status of Russia as a sovereign state that does not dance to anyone’s tune, and can also help normalize relations with the EU, for which this whole story with wiretapping has become a stumbling block in relations with the USA.
    1. +2
      1 July 2013 07: 32
      Unfortunately, it seems that no one is interested in granting political asylum to Snowden. A man has not come out of Sheremetyevo for a week already, thanks to the annulment by the Americans of his citizenship, his fate has completely passed into the hands of Russian ministers, and no comments have been received from them.

      But it seems to me that in Sheremetyevo, Snowden is already no longer. He sits somewhere in a summer house near Moscow, and talks sweetly with our specialists.
      1. +1
        1 July 2013 07: 50
        Quote: Wedmak
        He sits somewhere in a summer house near Moscow, and talks sweetly with our specialists.

        A thought that I have been voicing for several days in conversations with friends. Sheremetyevo, of course, has all the conditions for living. But all the same, Edik Snegov (in the world like E. Snowden) would have lit up at least somewhere. And it’s been a week since nobody saw him.
        1. Furnace driver
          0
          1 July 2013 14: 28
          and where was he last shot on camera?
      2. 0
        1 July 2013 19: 08
        Quote: Wedmak
        Sits somewhere in a summer house near Moscow,

        Why
        Does he have a passport? No, canceled!
        So Snowden can’t leave Sheremetyevo! If he can’t, then he is there! No need to suspect Russia of violating international law!
        And what, where does the citizen of Russia E. Snegov really do whom, whom, and Yusovtsev does not concern.
        bully
    2. +1
      1 July 2013 11: 50
      Who needs it ??? He did not reveal anything new. As VVP said: "A lot of wool is not enough to screech"
  8. +2
    1 July 2013 07: 28
    The Yankees jumped ... The rake so carefully laid by the USA for other countries hit its own forehead? Well, nothing, these are still flowers, soon you will run into your own traps and pits with stakes. And do not even bother to appeal to Russia, China and other countries when they look at the agony of the United States, eating dryers with raspberry tea.
  9. +1
    1 July 2013 07: 32
    This is why I "love" the United States, it is for their "spontaneity." They say mutual assistance, all people are brothers and so on, as they say, this is not an empty phrase. Like, that's why we are happy, we tear our navels. Only with such a tiny amendment - you (the rest of the world), US (USA) owe, but WE (USA), YOU (the rest of the world) do not. We, to you, the act of Mvgnitsky, an embargo for those who do not like democracy, the shooting of people by UAVs (Pakistan), the murder of leaders (Libya), interference in sovereignty (the whole world), harboring (we will not give anyone away, they are not criminals, they are fighters for "democracy", I'm talking about those who hid with them). But you (the world) should listen to us in everything, contribute and not discuss at all what WE (USA) are saying. Bummer came out.
    Regarding Snowden's extradition: "It's like cutting a piglet: there is a lot of screeching, but little wool," Putin said figuratively.

    PS I am tormented by the suspicion of where this Snowden has climbed (or that he has learned this), that he has "blown off his roof." Looks like he is draining these "flowers", "berries" are apparently generally stunning.
    1. +4
      1 July 2013 07: 37
      This is why I "love" the United States, it is for their "spontaneity."

      Well, what did you want from the child? The history of the USA - another 300 years have not passed, children ... Only these children are very spoiled by power, money, and impunity. It is necessary to write out a belt, for this all the prerequisites are already there.
    2. 0
      1 July 2013 08: 59
      Yesterday they wrote in the news that he had hidden some other documents of special importance for hedging in China. Which, they say, can undermine European security. Or something like that....
  10. 0
    1 July 2013 07: 38
    WHOSE THE COW WOULD LOW, AND THERE WOULD BE SILENT, SO SO PI NDOSOV !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  11. +1
    1 July 2013 07: 39
    I don’t understand at all: those guilty of divulging the secrets of our special services, and those already convicted, live quietly in the United States. Americans logic? At least they offered for decency Poteev with Kalugin.
  12. 0
    1 July 2013 07: 42
    Quote: Wedmak
    The rake so carefully laid by the USA for other countries hit its own forehead

    They dug a wolf's hole with Yugoslavia, and in Iraq they also laid mines at the bottom. And now a "painfully offensive to their ambition" man has swam into our paws, who can help move them one step or two to the edge.
  13. +1
    1 July 2013 08: 30
    It is outraged that carried away by the accusations against Russia because of its unwillingness to extradite E. Snowden at the first request, the United States, as they say, "messed up the coast."

    How beguiled. And in response they should have heard: "You will get a donut hole, not Snowden," or, at worst, "Ears from a dead donkey." But apparently catch phrases Putin uses only for the Baltic limitrophes. In response to the lordly rudeness towards Russia, that Lavrov, that Putin is mumbled, that we have nothing to do with it. Did not cross the border, your amersky traitor, leave me alone.
    And one more good thing is that Russia in this case acts very successfully in the role of just a champion of international law and a guarantor of human rights.

    International law has long been in a place whose verbal designation on the site is prohibited. Should Russia constantly be his champion?
    It is not clear how the story of the Amer fugitive will end, but the Kremlin has a big bunt. In the Duma, everything is simpler.
    The Chairman of the State Duma Committee on International Affairs Alexei Pushkov, commenting on the situation with the ex-CIA officer, said that the extradition of the fugitive to the American authorities is impossible. The deputy wrote about this in his microblog on Twitter.

    @Alexey_Pushkov: “How can Snowden be useful to Russia - a question in the spirit of Smerdyakov. It's not about benefits - about principle. Issuance of a political refugee is morally unacceptable. ”


    Read more: http://www.ntv.ru/novosti/626577/#ixzz2XlUV07nL
    1. 0
      1 July 2013 10: 40
      In response to the lordly rudeness towards Russia, that Lavrov, that Putin mummy, that they say nothing to do with.

      I do not agree. No one mumbled, I generally got the impression that Putin simply waved away from the United States, as if from an annoying fly - they say, leave me alone, not up to you now. And not every president can do this.
      International law has long been in a place whose verbal designation on the site is prohibited. Should Russia constantly be his champion?

      It is there, thanks to the NATO countries, in particular the lights of democracy. And to rebuild this right is possible and necessary, otherwise we will very quickly see the Middle Ages in real life.
  14. +1
    1 July 2013 08: 55
    This all sounds beautiful, of course, but ... Something is not visible to the special desire of our authorities to shelter this "refugee". Because they also try to sit on two chairs. It seems like it is a pleasure to make a mistake for the United States, but it is useless to launch this business. And then you never know ... get angry too. "Restart", "partnership", etc ... That is why he is sitting there in Sheremetyevo, because he does not know where to go. And that very "... Ecuador (a small dwarf in comparison with the United States), defending its moral principles and international authority, is ready to complicate relations with the United States ..." judging by the news, after Obamka's call, they were already embarrassed like girls, and suddenly gone too far? ...
    1. 0
      1 July 2013 11: 08
      Quote: Alexxeg73
      ... Something is not visible special desire of our authorities to shelter this "refugee".

      Conversation in the Kremlin "Here's what to do? The hard thing brought this Snowden."
    2. alex popov
      0
      1 July 2013 11: 26
      My friend works in the capital's media, their entire editorial board "flew on a business trip" this week, 2 times a day. The task was simple "to find a person like Snowden" or "a person who saw a person like Snowden." We came to the conclusion that Snowden is not in Cher, he disappeared from there for a maximum of 2 days, when he appeared in the hotel.
      With whose help and where is he? Here is room for thought)) But Putin, beautifully and diplomatically, sent a shit out of the issue with Snowden, without saying either yes or no. And while not lying.))
  15. stroporez
    0
    1 July 2013 09: 17
    the whole meaning of this event fits into the folk wisdom ----- fought for sho, and so on the snout ..........
  16. -1
    1 July 2013 09: 27
    When the barbarians attacked Rome for the first time, the Romans offered them gold to buy off, the Gauls set the amount when they weighed Roman gold, the Gaul leader Brennus ordered his fighters to pull the counterweight on the scales, and in the end, in front of the surprised Romans, he publicly threw his heavy sword on the counterweight. when the Romans were indignant, they say, "by what right?", the leader said: "by the right of the strong, the strong belongs to the world," and the Romans shut up, wiped themselves off and paid, but remembered for the future. So, when the United States demands to give them the NSA, they do it by the right of the strong, who will act as long as there is at least one person on earth. Russia now is the Rome that will break, break, but in the end it will do what the Americans say. Of course, terrible patriots will now tear their vest on themselves they say it will not happen, believe me, the Americans have not been afraid of Russia for a long time, we simply have nothing to scare them with.
    1. +1
      1 July 2013 11: 36
      Russia now is that Rome, which will break down, break down, but in the end it will still do what the Americans say.

      You have mixed countries in your comparison. The USA is now that same ROME, mired in money, a greedy state. They already see that they have embarked on a path to decline, but out of all the melting forces, they try to keep their fingers in a fan.
    2. 0
      2 July 2013 07: 44
      Why should we scare them? They need to scare us, they need Snow, not us. Here, let them try to scare. I hope that, after all, intimidating Russia is somewhat more difficult than Ecuador.
      Although to me personally, "weirder and weirder." Assange Ecuador is hiding in the embassy, ​​but Snowden could not. At the same time, Assange helps Snowden hide. Sounds like complete nonsense. or some kind of wiring.
  17. fenix57
    0
    1 July 2013 10: 33
    Quote: Standard Oil
    when the US demands to give them ANShnik, they do so by right of the strong,

    You see, what’s the matter, the USA doesn’t require- asks, cries out to conscience and observance of international standards ... So you, sir, are wrong.
    Quote: Standard Oil
    by right of the strong, the world belongs to the strong

    And the world no longer belongs to them! If "old man" Brzezinski is concerned, then as they say-Your (amers) do not dance.
    1. 0
      1 July 2013 10: 55
      I wonder who the world belongs to, if not the Americans? There has always been a dominion country. At the moment it is the United States. To deny this is stupid. If not the United States, then who? Brzezinski old fox, feels where the wind is blowing, but only a faint breeze so far that. I recently read his book "America and the Global Crisis" and looking at modern realities I agree with him more than with anyone else. Let's follow the Chinese method in foreign policy, and not rush into the embrasure.

















  18. +1
    1 July 2013 10: 34
    Of course I want to wash the Americans and put them in their place, but ...
    We must think not with emotions, not with botany, but based on the interests of Russia.
    I wonder how our rulers and smart heads will calculate all the pros and cons and make the right decision?
    I think that the pause that has been created is still in our hands.
  19. 0
    1 July 2013 10: 50
    I would name the topic: The Suffering of the Great Anus!
    Article plus!
  20. fenix57
    0
    1 July 2013 11: 07
    Quote: Standard Oil
    This is the United States at the moment. Denying it is stupid

    If everything were just like that, Snowden would have been given away upon arrival in Moscow, so that the USA is "dominion" in quotation marks. Today, world leadership has ceased to be a game of "King of the Hill." At the same time, determination and strength, although important, are not the most important qualities for victory. Much more valuable is the ability to balance correctly and in a timely manner in a rapidly changing situation.What Russia is doing now. hi
    1. 0
      1 July 2013 11: 26
      We wait and see, but I think either Snowden will be given to the Americans, or they will be taken out of the country so as not to annoy the United States.
  21. Fin
    0
    1 July 2013 11: 49
    Zadornov is right - stupid Americans. Why yell, screech, threaten, they would sit and wait when Ecuador would host it, host it and then steal it. And the whole question is closed. And now it will be hard to fight against GDP, he will remember them all and the Kalugins and Rezunov and Buta and Yaroshenko, there are still a lot of thieves. Thought to scare and not work. In my opinion, the bid will be long.
  22. 0
    1 July 2013 11: 55
    options are possible! Do we need anything from the Yusovites? lol
    And to be honest in the behavior of Americans, a proverb about Jupiter and the bull (bear, for example) is visible!
    1. +1
      1 July 2013 11: 56
      In the sense of Jupiter no longer pour? laughing
  23. Titov
    0
    1 July 2013 12: 45
    The question is, who is Snowden? So much noise around! These revelations are not comparable with his PR. I understand that if the F-22 had stolen to Russia. And so it is not clear duck.
    1. 0
      1 July 2013 12: 49
      I understand that if the F-22 had stolen to Russia.

      Maybe he hijacked ... in the form of drawings or no less secret documents.
  24. Arthur 775
    +1
    1 July 2013 12: 48
    Yes, Americantsi are used to doing business with Gorbaty or Boriska. And then there is a judik and even a committee member (they are never the former). For Russia, this Snowden is like a suitcase without a handle (it's a pity to suddenly use it), you can laugh
    Once again, the whole world over the amers. And Snowden on the Lubyanka, let Emsky write to Obama !!!
  25. EGORKA
    +1
    1 July 2013 13: 20
    Russia needs to competently play such a card, squeeze the maximum for itself. There are options, a pause on our part is quite appropriate, after the diarrhea of ​​scarecrows and persuasion by the United States passes, ours are waiting for proposals that are beneficial to us ...
  26. 0
    1 July 2013 15: 51
    Double standards are the cornerstone of American foreign policy. They operate on the principle of: What is due to Jupiter is not allowed to Bull... An impudent and (pardon the tautology) unprincipled principle! Americans are "taught" to strictly observe the rule of law. But when the interests of the Yankees are affected, they cheekily spit on these principles. An example of this is the Snowden case. If you follow the law, America has no right to dictate ultimatums to Russia. But it threatens our country with foam at the mouth. You are unprincipled and unscrupulous gentlemen Americans!
  27. fenix57
    0
    1 July 2013 15: 52
    News on the American Fox News Channel:“This is an open slap in the United States. Now, in the end, we should already understand what Vladimir Putin is. He is an old KGB colonel-apparatchik who dreams of rebuilding the Russian Empire. He supplies weapons to Assad, he teases us for any reason. We must act accordingly, ”John McCain said on air, betraying InoTV.

    The senator from the Republican Party noted that there is no need to renew the Cold War. However, he noted that it is necessary to act in relation to Russia adequately.

    “This includes the deployment of a missile defense system in Europe and the expansion of the Magnitsky Act,” John McCain concluded.

    I fully agreed that it is necessary to strengthen the influence on Russia and Senator-Democrat Charles Schumer. He said that Russia always strives to poke a finger in the eye of the United States.

    “I’m not sure that while Edward Snowden is in Russia's hands, we should take some open steps, but the Russians must pay for their actions: whether at the diplomatic, economic or geopolitical level. They always strive to poke a finger in our eyes, ”said Charles Schumer.

    According to the senator, the United States should take a tough stance.

    “Relations with Putin are much more complicated, but I agree with John McCain: Putin must understand that this will not get away with him. After all, he is doing everything to annoy America, whether it be Iran, Syria, and now that’s, ”said Schumer ...
    see US senators agree that it is necessary to strengthen influence on RussiaPolitical review
    Amers were completely distraught; for a long time they hadn’t been dunked in manure!

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