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Ecuador was blown away - now everything depends on Putin

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Ecuador was blown away - now everything depends on PutinIt looks like the situation with Snowden takes a completely unexpected turn. The current actors seem to be beginning to slowly work back. At the same time, the Western press begins a movement controversial with respect to politicians. The world seems to be changing almost day by day. All this is possible only in the case when all reference points are lost and absolutely all are confused.


Now it's time for those who are used to catching fish in muddy water. American intelligence agencies are great specialists in this particular area. Crumpled was the order begin to recover and act on a long-established scheme. And yet there are those who go to perekor known expression that "You should not kill the messenger." Instead of ganging up on those who usurped the right of US citizens guaranteed by the constitution, lawmakers prefer to attack Snowden, but do not react to the violation of the constitution. In this situation, the uncompromising Russia remains a lonely rock because of the retreating allies. For the umpteenth time, Putin’s time has come. Now it is realized even in the West.

It became known that the government of Ecuador was subjected to severe economic blackmail. So it was declared that Ecuadorian exports to the US would fall under protective sanctions in case of the granting of asylum to Snowden, and this immediately cooled the eagerness of Ecuadorians. Being a tough nut or pretending that you are such is not the same as it turns out in our current case. Ecuador’s President Rafael Correa was in Washington a month ago on the issue of extending preferential terms for exported goods. It is perfectly understandable that now all this can crash with a crash and the affairs of the newly elected Rafael Correa in their homeland will not be so brilliant.

It is with these prospects that a certain indecision is caused which the Ecuadorian embassy began to show. So it was stated that the decision to grant asylum to Edward Snowden could be delayed for up to two months and in this case, the point of view on this problem of the Americans will be taken into account. It must be said that this statement is very revolutionary. It radically changes everything. With this approach, a refuge Snowden can put a cross. This is what caused история in a sense, dragged on. The government of Ecuador is frankly scared and probably Snowden should not rely on him.

The reader is probably interested in the question, why can Assandzha be sheltered in his embassy, ​​but not Snowden? It should be noted that Assandzh and Snowden is still not the same thing. First, Ecuador shelters Assange not from the United States, but from Great Britain, and this is a big difference. Yes, the United States wants to get Assandzha, but perhaps this is only after his return to Britain and extradition by court order to the United States. This is a two-way process for which there is no need to waste energy and inflate media interest in this issue.

Other participants in this story also behave very suspiciously. Has anyone heard of any Chinese statement on this topic? China decided to just keep silent in this story, and perhaps this is the wisest decision. No one will drag the Chinese behind the beard because of what has been said. In this sense, the Chinese are very sophisticated politicians and diplomats.

Putin behaves quite differently. Of course, he, too, is very skillfully maneuvering and does not set up the sides of the enemy, but everything else feels different. Even those who usually tear it into print today are more and more admired by his perseverance and determination. The article “Putin’s New Perception” by well-known author Gerald Warner directly states: “I never thought that I would live to say this, but I consider myself more agreeing with Vladimir Putin than with any of the Western leaders ... We need Putin .. These are the feelings that are beginning to appear more and more often on the English-language Internet. ”

Nevertheless, in the West there is an opinion that it is good to support Putin “without experiencing all the charms of his authoritarian style of government” and “Western democracy bothers while it is.” As soon as “Putin's fans” get into real Russian habitat, then there is a high probability that they will very soon complain about what seems to be not so pretty today. The author of this article has lived fairly still in the USSR, and nowadays often in Russia and the republics, with knowledge of the realities, states that it is probably not necessary to put people in such conditions, because the choice of citizens may turn out to be completely unexpected. Not the fact that after trying Russian freedom, the majority will again want to return to the American one. Anyway, today, as a person living in New York, I can say that Russian immigration to the United States has stopped. Now more and more people are going to the USA from the republics of Central Asia.

Further, Mr. Warner treated the heads of the eight simply in a destructive way: “The fact that Putin is rapidly gaining points is to blame for the weakness of EU statesmen. During the next photographing, the PR managers asked the 8 managers to take off their ties, as soon as this happened, one of the journalists immediately joked that they all looked like dads dancing in a school disco. Of course, Putin was not included in this cohort. It is very difficult to disagree with the sharp tongues of journalists. EU leaders increasingly resemble "Kremlin elders". Look, for example, at the fallen Barroso or Füle whose cheeks are already visible from the back of the head, and at the same time Putin looks like a fit and very strong man who needs to be controversial. Gerald Warner says that Putin’s position might have seemed a poseur if not for one circumstance. As soon as the conversation reached Syria, Putin demonstrated a tough stance and did not yield a single millimeter. The G8 leaders had to agree with the Russian edition.

All this suggests that, in the Snowden case, a very dramatic change in the position of Russia is awaiting us. Of course, Putin would like to have his position supported by as many countries as possible, but if this does not happen, Putin can also keep the situation under control. If this seems impossible to someone, then remember the Munich speech, which also made an impression of a bomb exploded. However, no one will deny that all that was said there has a real bloody incarnation in life today. Putin talked about the inferiority of the unipolar world, and as we know today, this is no longer a discovery and news. Bloody everyday life immediately in dozens of countries, this is a consequence of a unipolar world.

The future, according to Mr. Warner, does not look optimistic for the West. “The contrast between the West and Russia is on the one hand: liberalism, cultural masochism, depopulation of the indigenous population, aversion to the family and hedonism, and on the other hand: personal responsibility in the confrontation, nurturing the courage of the nation, strong political will and ruthless defending of national interests.

Perhaps in many respects, Mr. Warner is right, but we are completely clear that having said all this, he just pinched grass on the lawn and in no way got to the core values ​​of what the Russians have always been: truth, justice, collectivism, human compassion, conscientiousness. It is not in the West, but it has always been in Russia. This is where Russia lives today, and as soon as the word “truth” sounds, there will always be people in Russia who are ready to defend it. Russian soldiers do not need to be kept in an information vacuum before a combat operation, as is done in the United States. The American soldier should not know the truth - without his life, a Russian cannot think.

This is the truth today and climbs from all cracks. No matter how the American authorities try to hide it, this is tantamount to manually setting the sun. That is why with such a frenzy today, lawmakers and politicians in the United States do not want it to go out. However, a lie can not be demolished heads. In this episode, Putin is quite predictable. The fact that Snowden will not be given to the United States is clear as day. The question is different. Will Putin leave Snowden if he applies for refugee status, 9: 4, yes. In order to avoid huge image losses, the United States should rather forget this story. Judge for yourself who would now remember Assange along with his Wikileaks, if not for Snowden today. America needs to get rid of this scandal from the hands as soon as possible, because America will not endure another Snowden, but Russia will certainly shelter him.
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  1. Denis
    Denis 29 June 2013 07: 07
    +3
    It’s useful if they’re not enough of everyone ... sheltered at home. Such as the traitor Belenko, etc., etc.
    It became known that the government of Ecuador was subjected to severe economic blackmail. So it was announced that Ecuadorian exports to the United States would fall under barrage if granted asylum to Snowden.
    They scared them, and so they shit in all the blades wherever they can. But they can’t do it everywhere.
    1. Canep
      Canep 29 June 2013 07: 43
      19
      Snowden is not a fool and flew from Hong Kong to Ecuador not by a direct flight (I had a flight like this), but through Moscow, that is, he left himself the opportunity to maneuver. Only 24 hours could be left in Moscow without a transit visa, so he still violated the migration legislation (if he had a US passport), but no one had sent him from Russia to the United States so far. The cancellation of the passport was a mistake, now the United States can not make any claims, because Snowden flew to Moscow not as a US citizen, but as a refugee in Ecuador.
      1. SergeySK
        SergeySK 29 June 2013 08: 14
        14
        America has taken many rash steps in the puffs!

        Snowden did not reveal any secrets! And he said nothing new! The secret of the cherries!

        Who doesn't know about the ECHELON system? Who ignored the regularly appearing "scandalous" messages about various programs and bookmarks in smartphones? Who has not heard that Skype is being bugged? Who has not heard that mordobuk and others are leaking old?

        And then those mega news is someone who wool this Old! ! !

        In general, all this kotovasiya looks like a sanctioned provocation against Russia!
        If Russia accepts Snowden, it will be possible to start pumping up horrors again, saying that Snowden knows a lot that will do irreparable damage, and she is the axis of evil!

        And then the GDP is very painfully popular in the world, and it’s becoming G-8!
        1. Che
          Che 29 June 2013 09: 06
          14
          An American soldier should not know the truth - a Russian cannot imagine life without her.

          That is the essence of Russia. Power is in the truth.
          1. regsSSSR
            regsSSSR 29 June 2013 17: 19
            0
            An American soldier should not know the truth - a Russian cannot imagine life without her.

            That is the essence of Russia. Power is in the truth.

            we lost the cold war but our business is RIGHT the enemy will be beaten in his own field with his ideological weapons and this time the victory will be ours!

            This truth today is climbing out of all the cracks. No matter how the American authorities try to hide it, this is tantamount to setting the sun manually.
        2. APASUS
          APASUS 29 June 2013 09: 54
          0
          Quote: SergeySK
          In general, all of this cat-like catastrophe looks like a planned provocation against Russia! If Russia accepts Snowden, it will be possible to start pumping up horrors again, saying that Snowden knows a lot that will do irreparable damage, and she is the axis of evil!

          It will be so, but raising the fuss around this hacker, the United States itself is trying to hush up the scandal with violating the rights of citizens inside the country. And the more it gets out there, the more there will be accusations towards Russia.
          1. Gluxar_
            Gluxar_ 29 June 2013 15: 00
            0
            Quote: APASUS
            It will be so, but raising the fuss around this hacker, the United States itself is trying to hush up the scandal with violating the rights of citizens inside the country. And the more it gets out there, the more there will be accusations towards Russia.

            Logic is simply a failure. How can we hush up the hype about violating the constitution, in every way promoting the media person who spawned the leak of such information?
            In the US, the information field is completely different and none of us can adequately track it. There are hundreds of organizations of anti-government sentiments there, and thanks to this scandal they have new sides and work for the years ahead. This is one of the events of the general trend of failure of the information policy of the "Satanists".
            The next major breakthrough will be after the sentencing of Menning. If it is crucified, they will create another icon of resistance. And before that, wrestlers and more than one may appear.
            1. APASUS
              APASUS 29 June 2013 17: 58
              0
              Quote: Gluxar_
              The next major breakthrough will be after the sentencing of Menning. If it is crucified, they will create another icon of resistance. And before that, wrestlers and more than one may appear.

              What a breakthrough?
              The US Institute of Suppression is the best in the world!
              Obama is a failed president and he is elected for a second term, I don’t want to talk about the peace prize at all. There is no difference between Democrats and Republicans, and the opposition is a fairy tale!
              1. Gluxar_
                Gluxar_ 29 June 2013 18: 32
                0
                Quote: APASUS
                What a breakthrough? The US Institute of Suppression is the best in the world! Obama is a failed president and he is elected for a second term, I don’t want to talk about the peace prize at all. There is no difference between Democrats and Republicans, and the opposition is a fairy tale!

                opposition to the US regime is not a myth, but a reality of today. Moreover, there has not been such a situation as today in the United States since the late 40s of the last century, when a witch-hunt was going on in the United States and the US Communist Party was "banned".
                There is total control in the USA, but it will also destroy the USA. This is a systemic crisis of ideology and collapse is inevitable. With each passing day, more and more Americans are starting to wonder about their future, and while the economy is pouring, there will be more and more dissatisfied. I suppose that in the next election the opposition of the bipartisan autocracy in the USA may appear.
                1. APASUS
                  APASUS 30 June 2013 10: 11
                  0
                  Quote: Gluxar_
                  There is total control in the USA, but it will also destroy the USA. This is a systemic crisis of ideology and collapse is inevitable. With each passing day, more and more Americans are starting to wonder about their future, and while the economy is pouring, there will be more and more dissatisfied. I suppose that in the next election the opposition of the bipartisan autocracy in the USA may appear.

                  What are you talking about?
                  What would the worldview of the people in the United States have changed - you need an atomic bomb.
                  Bush was elected to the presidency - the one that confuses Japan with Jamaica, because in the minds of the population he is "his Texas boyfriend."
                  What kind of economy are you writing about?
                  The last economic crisis began in the United States and GDP fell at the peak of 2%, and in Russia almost 13%. They learned about the crisis from the press, and not in the store they felt.
                  If the people are wondering, then after the next shooting at school ........ is it necessary to ban the sale of weapons?
        3. dropout
          dropout 29 June 2013 13: 20
          0
          Quote: SergeySK

          In general, all this catavasia looks like a planned provocation against Russia

          The fact that the states are engaged in global espionage a long time ago is not a secret for anyone; therefore, the appearance of Snowden on the stage raises some doubts. But is this a Trojan horse? With all the consequences ..... from the horse. Didn’t he appear on the instructions of his native office in Sheremetyevo? What is no reason to throw manure in Russia? It will become from them. May God grant that this is not so. But in no case should it be extradited.
          1. Vovka levka
            Vovka levka 29 June 2013 15: 00
            +2
            Quote: dropout
            American intelligence agencies are great experts in this area.

            Quote: dropout
            Quote: SergeySK

            In general, all this catavasia looks like a planned provocation against Russia

            The fact that the states are engaged in global espionage a long time ago is not a secret for anyone; therefore, the appearance of Snowden on the stage raises some doubts. But is this a Trojan horse? With all the consequences ..... from the horse. Didn’t he appear on the instructions of his native office in Sheremetyevo? What is no reason to throw manure in Russia? It will become from them. May God grant that this is not so. But in no case should it be extradited.

            All special services collect information wherever possible and not only possible. There are no saints in this business; saints sit without information.
            As for me, the article is a dummy, because the methods are the same for everyone.
          2. Gluxar_
            Gluxar_ 29 June 2013 15: 03
            +2
            Quote: dropout
            The fact that the states are engaged in global espionage a long time ago is not a secret for anyone; therefore, the appearance of Snowden on the stage raises some doubts. But is this a Trojan horse? With all the consequences ..... from the horse. Didn’t he appear on the instructions of his native office in Sheremetyevo? What is no reason to throw manure in Russia? It will become from them. May God grant that this is not so. But in no case should it be extradited.

            What nonsense? The complete moral failure of the US nation and all its declared rights and freedoms, the decay of the "Western carrot" is an adequate price to expose Russia ... to expose ... in what place? In the light of a fighter for rights and freedoms? Do you even monitor information channels? The United States simply does not even have a single moral argument in the direction of extraditing a former citizen. They simply cannot say anything adequate, but with their ridiculous conclusions about expediency they plunge themselves even deeper into ...
            What a Trojan horse, what are you talking about?
        4. nerd.su
          nerd.su 29 June 2013 14: 13
          0
          Quote: SergeySK
          In general, all this kotovasiya looks like a sanctioned provocation against Russia!
          If Russia accepts Snowden, it will be possible to start pumping up horrors again, saying that Snowden knows a lot that will do irreparable damage, and she is the axis of evil!

          So you can then send Snowden to Cuba, to Ecuador, Venezuela, or where he flew there. And all these canceled passports and the lack of visas are garbage. Put on the plane and sent.
          But they keep in Moscow. It seems to me that the secrets that Snowden can tell us are not so important, although they probably work in this direction.
          The main thing in Putin's words is that we extradite criminals only to those countries with which there is an extradition treaty, but there is no such treaty with the United States. So the poor fellow will not fly to any Ecuador until the United States decides whether it makes sense to sign such an agreement with us. Of course, the problem is complex, but if you simplify and assume that we have signed such an agreement with the USA, what will they do with Snowden?
          1. poquello
            poquello 29 June 2013 17: 26
            +1
            "Of course, the problem is complex, but if we simplify and assume that we signed such an agreement with the United States, what will they do with Snowden ..?"

            They won’t do anything, it depends on the text of the agreement, but it has no retroactive effect. Now no - goodbye.
            1. nerd.su
              nerd.su 29 June 2013 18: 01
              0
              Quote: poquello

              They won’t do anything, it depends on the text of the agreement, but it has no retroactive effect. Now no - goodbye.

              But we somehow need Buta and Yaroshenko to get it. So with retroactive force the situation is bad.
              1. poquello
                poquello 30 June 2013 15: 51
                +1
                "We somehow need to get Booth and Yaroshenko. So the situation is bad with retroactive force."

                I don’t think so. To exchange Bout and Yaroshenko, it is necessary to steal the Americans in Afghanistan for drugs and change them.
      2. atalef
        atalef 29 June 2013 10: 52
        14 th
        Quote: Canep
        Snowden is not a fool

        Well, in my opinion, Snowden is not easy - he is an I.D.O.T.
        Let's separate the flies from the cutlets.
        All special services spy on both their own and foreign citizens. In Russia, special services tried to block Skype because of problems with its hacking - then they calmed down - or rather, I think we agreed.
        They check correspondence, control the Internet - nowhere in the modern world can you get away with it and the special services of all countries are doing this.
        Snowden - I do not want to say that he is a traitor, but this is the ethos. When applying for a job, a person gave a non-disclosure subscription, so do not disclose it. And divulged (it doesn’t matter because of what motives - including for PR) do not cry that they will look for you.
        The most interesting thing is that he is just a sucker, what is he like? Nothing - hemorrhoids in the present and in the future for the country that hosted it, it’s not even an agent — an illuminated r.p.i.d.o.s. (maybe thinking of her importance), but there is no sentiment in the special services and when he understands this, he will post everything that the FSB knows (or any other special service of the country that wants to accept him) --- turning into an actual traitor to his country and a dummy for special services of the country that received it. he will lay out everything (and he hardly knows) a lot, nobody will keep and shelter him in safe houses (not that valuable object) and first he will turn into an unnecessary person who will arrange his already worthless life into some kind of god-filled country. All his life he is afraid that he will be extradited to the States (for the sake of the political situation) or as a bear at a fair (for half a penny) to carry at various anti-American rallies.
        But the fact remains - he is a traitor.
        And with the traitors there is nothing to hobble - to milk everything that he knows and throw away - this is what awaits him
        Dumb idealist. Nothing more to say, another 10000 times regret. On such suckers all the special services of the world feed.
        1. Geisenberg
          Geisenberg 29 June 2013 11: 11
          10
          Quote: atalef
          Quote: Canep
          Snowden is not a fool
          Well, in my opinion, Snowden is not easy - he is an I.D.O.T.


          For whose money bark sir? What amiable? Does the eye hurt? So right - dishonesty to look at the light in any way ....

          Among the 314ndos, a decent man was poured and immediately attacked him in a crowd.
          1. Simon
            Simon 29 June 2013 16: 16
            0
            I completely agree with you 100%. The states are running in liquid, and now there is a stench from them. Israel feed the staff, here the mongrel and barks, supports the states.
          2. atalef
            atalef 29 June 2013 18: 13
            0
            Quote: Geisenberg
            Among the 314ndos, a decent man was poured and immediately attacked him in a crowd.

            Well, a traitor - he is a traitor in Africa. to call him decent is just ridiculous.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 29 June 2013 18: 18
              +4
              And whom did he betray? Not a country, but colleagues who acted contrary to the spirit of the American Constitution. So he is more likely a patriot than a traitor.
            2. Denis
              Denis 29 June 2013 18: 30
              0
              Quote: atalef
              Well, a traitor - he is a traitor in Africa
              Everything is clear with Africa and especially the Arabs, and who would he be if he would benefit Israel?
              Well, or at least shit Arabs
              1. atalef
                atalef 30 June 2013 07: 08
                +1
                Quote: Denis
                Quote: atalef
                Well, a traitor - he is a traitor in Africa
                Everything is clear with Africa and especially the Arabs, and who would he be if he would benefit Israel?
                Well, or at least shit Arabs

                Pollard (an American Jew) spied in favor of Israel (as an American citizen) - for which he was sentenced to a life sentence and absolutely fair. He treated the traitors the same way - be he a citizen of America, Russia, Israel or Zimbabwe. And the motives do not matter, he knew where goes to work, the CIA does not graze sheep on the lawns. The traitor was and will remain (not a scout) Traitor, by the way in an interview with the BBC, even his father admitted this.
                Even Putin (and he knows a lot about that) said about him, to deal with it, that a pig has a lot of screeching, and there is not much hair.
        2. Perch_xnumx
          Perch_xnumx 29 June 2013 14: 07
          +3
          All special services spy on both their own and foreign citizens.
          He is a patriot like Manning, by the standards of the very democracy that supposedly swear in the United States and Israel.
          Special services are spying on a flock of sheep, that is, citizens are not in the know. They then think that democracy, personal rights, etc. .., in fact, the states write boiling water only on the topic of pedagogical rights ..
        3. dark_65
          dark_65 29 June 2013 14: 09
          +2
          Well, in my opinion, Snowden is not easy - he is an I.D.O.T.

          Something reminded me, "I haven't read it, but I support it" ..
          Let him be an idealist, let him be a romantic. But a man did an act !!!
          so .... press the tail.
        4. Gluxar_
          Gluxar_ 29 June 2013 15: 19
          +5
          Quote: atalef
          All special services spy on both their own and foreign citizens. In Russia, special services tried to block Skype because of problems with its hacking - then they calmed down - or rather, I think we agreed.

          You are wrong in your judgment. They wanted to block Skype, because it is an American intelligence resource. We agreed of course and blocked this surveillance channel. But special services do not have the right to monitor their citizens. Whether they do it or not, on their conscience. In the case of Snowden, we are talking about government sanctions for violating their own constitution. This is an internal conflict of the nation, that is, they betray their own faith and beliefs. The same thing happened with the top of the CPSU in the last years of the USSR.
          So you do not quite understand what is happening.
          Quote: atalef
          Snowden - I do not want to say that he is a traitor, but this is the ethos. When applying for a job, a person gave a non-disclosure subscription, so do not disclose it. And divulged (it doesn’t matter because of what motives - including for PR) do not cry that they will look for you.

          With the fact that Snowden is a traitor to the United States, I agree. But even further in the charter of the Armed Forces there is a provision on the right not to comply with criminal orders of superiors. In this incident, a person was forced to violate the country's main law, for the sake of dubious benefits, which incidentally were not always related to terrorism or intelligence work.
          You just do not see the whole picture. More recently, there was a scandal with the pressure of the tax authorities in relation to opposition parties in the United States, there is also wiretapping of journalists and much more. The whole picture is completely different - part of the US patriots are beginning to struggle with the totalitarian system within the American government, the situation there is many times worse than in the 37th during the purges. Follow all dissatisfied, and not just the direct enemies of the people. That is the big difference.
          Quote: atalef
          The most interesting thing is that he is just a sucker, what is he like? Nothing - hemorrhoids in the present and in the future for the country that hosted it, it’s not even an agent — an illuminated r.p.i.d.o.s.

          Again you have false assumptions. In general, he is a man of honor, which is very rare in the Western world. He couldn’t just shut up for green candy wrappers, he defends his beliefs. This is his moral choice, not a PR move as you want to expose. However, today this person has turned from a simple technical hard worker into a media person. and if the movement in support of this citizen succeeds in the United States itself, then he will be able to receive an amnesty and return to the country as a hero who has already defended the rights of all Americans to freedom and privacy, and their prayers. He will be able to appear on television and lead some kind of community "for the rights of Americans." Poorly, even having made a career as a politician ... something like a bulk criminal and Udaltsov with American characteristics. So Snowden is not such a sucker as you want to belittle him.
          Quote: atalef
          But the fact remains - he is a traitor. And with the traitors there is nothing to hobble - to milk everything that he knows and throw away - this is what awaits him Dumb idealist.

          You reason like that because you yourself do not have an inner core and the word justice is an empty phrase for you. and you are mistaken in your opinions and confuse the person who issued the defense secrets of the country, putting his people in a vulnerable position, and the person who issued the truth about the crimes of the ruling regime.
          Your false propaganda failed, you did not work out the money.
      3. Semurg
        Semurg 29 June 2013 12: 26
        +3
        Quote: Canep
        Snowden is not a fool and flew from Hong Kong to Ecuador not by a direct flight (I had a flight like this), but through Moscow, that is, he left himself the opportunity to maneuver. Only 24 hours could be left in Moscow without a transit visa, so he still violated the migration legislation (if he had a US passport), but no one had sent him from Russia to the United States so far. The cancellation of the passport was a mistake, now the United States can not make any claims, because Snowden flew to Moscow not as a US citizen, but as a refugee in Ecuador.

        Thank you for the koment, now the situation is visible a little differently. And so the USA has a nose on it, they understand freedom, the rule of law, and here bang and snowden with the news that all the authorities put down the device. The truth is now what to do with it, but Putin in such matters dock-razrulit.
    2. kris
      kris 29 June 2013 08: 57
      -4
      only as something is planned in our country.
      all week painfully diligently lick the fifth point of Putin.
      1. dark_65
        dark_65 29 June 2013 14: 10
        +3
        worry you don't take your turn
        1. kris
          kris 29 June 2013 22: 40
          0
          Quote: dark_65
          worry you don't take your turn

          reserved all your places!
    3. Gluxar_
      Gluxar_ 29 June 2013 14: 55
      +1
      Too much hype about this man. But he is not an ally of Russia. Moreover, he worked against us, working for the US government. The fact that today Russia receives huge political dividends from the failure of the enemy, without investing anything, is of course good luck. But do not flirt.
      You need to be pragmatists. The US is already humiliated and has lost credibility. Now you need to maximize the hype around this person and send him by plane through some sort of Turkey or Poland, let the local vassals intercept a civilian flight. Of course, for such a service you can ask for something for Assad or for the future of Afghanistan, for example, the destruction of poppy plantations.
  2. andrei332809
    andrei332809 29 June 2013 07: 07
    +3
    and in the news on the box they say the opposite, Ecuador scoffs at the amers, offering them economic assistance. who to believe?
    1. Delink
      Delink 29 June 2013 07: 42
      +7
      Do not believe anyone. Your thoughts are correct, even if they are sometimes erroneous.
    2. Denis
      Denis 29 June 2013 07: 46
      +3
      Quote: andrei332809
      and in the news on the box say the opposite
      They’ll say something else ...
      Quote: andrei332809
      who to believe?
      Alas no one
      ... So do not read any (C) -professor Preobrazhensky
  3. fenix57
    fenix57 29 June 2013 07: 09
    +2
    Hello! Putin V.V. now on the "courage" and get in his way is simply unreasonable! hi
    1. Nick
      Nick 29 June 2013 08: 00
      +2
      Quote: fenix57
      Hello! Putin V.V. now on the "courage" and get in his way is simply unreasonable!

      Now all of Russia is on the courage and Putin feels it IMHO ...
  4. ed65b
    ed65b 29 June 2013 08: 28
    +8
    Modern Russia and earlier the USSR and even earlier the Russian Empire has always been alone and alone won all the victories in the confrontation with the "civilized" world. We are like a rock in a raging ocean, solid and unapproachable. and so it will be until mice and rats dot the base of the rock with their holes and the rock crumbles. And from mice and rats we will poison with poison.
    1. Denis
      Denis 29 June 2013 08: 50
      +3
      Quote: ed65b
      Modern Russia and earlier the USSR and even earlier the Russian Empire has always been alone and alone won all the victories in the confrontation with the "civilized" world.
      I don’t want such a civilization. Let it be in a cave and in skins by the fire, but a man, not a homosexual
      No, let the West of each other, exactly each other civilized pokes
    2. Alwizard
      Alwizard 29 June 2013 09: 05
      0
      The lack of reliable allies is primarily the failure of our diplomats, you should not be so proud of it and stick out your inability to establish strong bilateral relations.
      1. Arkan
        Arkan 29 June 2013 11: 16
        +1
        Quote: Alwizard
        The lack of reliable allies is primarily the failure of our diplomats.

        Rather, these are the consequences of the reign of Gorbachev and Yeltsin, as well as the unclear policy of the Kremlin until 2008 ... Apparently, now the situation is changing.
      2. alexdol
        alexdol 29 June 2013 11: 38
        +1
        Alwizard RU "The absence of reliable allies is, first of all, the failures of our diplomats, ..."
        --------------------------------------------------
        I wonder who is this "reliable" ally? Who is this and where to find them? Is it in the west? Not "usa, england, france, germany ..." is this a case? If so, then again I will repeat what the remarkable scientist Andrei Fursov calls this SWORA: OPG is an organized criminal group! I personally think that it is high time to stop all contact with them! Until the end of the deep relationship! By the way, recently there was an article on the site with similar proposals, I put it to the author PLUS! And the fact that the West has not changed at all for CENTURIES, or even MILLENNIURES, while remaining our ENEMY, can be judged even by the article I have proposed "On Western Civilization", here we are talking about the so-called "Paraguayan version", all this was back in 19th century, but very much reminiscent of the events of the present days, I even met a similar comparison on the internet, here is the link http://stihi.ru/2010/01/02/2731
  5. 128mgb
    128mgb 29 June 2013 08: 44
    +1
    Ecuador does not shelter Assange from the United States, but from the United Kingdom, which is a big difference.
    Article plus, but I do not agree with this. The USA and England are two pair boots. And Ecuador has so far nothing to blame. Until it says yes or no, Ecuador is meant to provide asylum.
    1. Canep
      Canep 29 June 2013 09: 10
      +3
      In general, Sweden demands that Asange be extradited because he slept with a whore with her consent but did not use a condom, and the whore did not agree to this. In Sweden, this is a criminal offense.
    2. atalef
      atalef 29 June 2013 10: 59
      +1
      Quote: 128mgb
      Ecuador does not shelter Assange from the United States, but from the United Kingdom, which is a big difference.

      Quote: 128mgb
      USA and England - two pair boots

      Actually, it’s not from England, but from Sweden that makes interesting corrections. He takes refuge in England, which is supposed to extradite him to Sweden at the request of the prosecutor’s office because of charges of 2 cases of rape.
      1. 128mgb
        128mgb 29 June 2013 11: 22
        0
        Actually, it was like England had thoughts of storming the embassy of Ecuador. And it was England that promised to detain Assange if he went outside the embassy.
  6. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 29 June 2013 09: 03
    +4
    Quote: This truth today is climbing out of all the cracks. No matter how the American authorities try to hide it, this is tantamount to setting the sun manually. That is why, with such frenzy, today, US lawmakers and politicians do not want this to come out. However, one can’t even take a lie
    US foreign policy has always been based on lies. Remember how many millions of Vietnamese were killed in the name of "democracy" in the American way. Having entered World War II in 2, now they position themselves as the main victors of fascism. Lies and frenzied cynicism, were in the past use it now. Assange and Snowden reveal this side of American foreign (and domestic) politics. This infuriates the US ruling clan. I will not judge whether Snowden will receive asylum in Russia, but I am sure of one thing: Putin will not extradite him to the US authorities. Because to extradite this person means to support the vile policies of the American ruling elite.
  7. Ragnarek
    Ragnarek 29 June 2013 09: 10
    +1
    so snowdon said nothing new. the situation is that giving him away is to show weakness. there are two options either to exchange for Buta or not to give out at all.
  8. BARKAS
    BARKAS 29 June 2013 09: 30
    +5
    In fact, the amers don't give a damn about Snowden himself for them the main thing is to show their country and the world that they will deal with anyone who encroaches on the democratic image of their country!
  9. runway
    runway 29 June 2013 09: 46
    0
    "Even those who routinely tear him to pieces in print today are increasingly admiring his persistence and determination."
    "Putin is very predictable in this episode."

    Yes, these two sentences are "torn" from the text, but in my opinion, they will help to understand the situation.
    First, the It has long been known that intelligence agencies of both the United States and Russia are monitoring their citizens (for various reasons). Snowden reiterated this about the United States. The United States provides for criminal prosecution for disclosing classified information under the law (however, as with us).
    Second, the Putin’s obviously clumsy actions again led Russia to again be left without international support. China, also a participant in these events, does not even recall .... "Thanks" to Putin, a couple of such similar cases and our country will turn into an outcast country. So is it worth so much to admire Putin's PREDICTABILITY?
    1. poquello
      poquello 29 June 2013 13: 58
      +2
      "Firstly, it has long been known that the secret services of both the United States and Russia are monitoring their citizens (for various reasons)."

      Firstly, the FSB is not engaged in global data collection, so far our personal lives are protected thank God.

      secondly, the crusaders are monitoring and for foreign citizens in foreign countries on a global scale - infinite impudence.
      1. Denis
        Denis 29 June 2013 18: 36
        +1
        Quote: poquello
        "Firstly, it has long been known that the secret services of both the United States and Russia are monitoring their citizens (for various reasons)."
        But the majority does not care?
        FSB does not collect data globally
        And she would do it, but why would they have information about me?
        Let yourself know, the main thing is that they should not be leaked to other hostile special services (wife and mother-her-mother-in-law), then howl and kirdyk
        But I hope they do not cooperate
        1. poquello
          poquello 30 June 2013 23: 13
          +1
          Quote: Denis
          Quote: poquello
          "Firstly, it has long been known that the secret services of both the United States and Russia are monitoring their citizens (for various reasons)."
          But the majority does not care?
          FSB does not collect data globally
          And she would do it, but why would they have information about me?
          Let yourself know, the main thing is that they should not be leaked to other hostile special services (wife and mother-her-mother-in-law), then howl and kirdyk
          But I hope they do not cooperate


          Your right, and for me mine is mine.
    2. INVESTOR
      INVESTOR 29 June 2013 16: 02
      0
      and what do you propose to give them this moron? it means pushing the rolls in front of the main black of the mattress ...
  10. My address
    My address 29 June 2013 09: 47
    +1
    In the header of the old information.

    In fact, Ecuador smeared the USA in the face. He refused preferences and promised financial assistance to the States in the amount of preferences. Disgraced democratizers. Well, who of the normal will yell at the little one on the whole street? That got kakushkoy in the face. Smart merikosy, from the kind of de Bilov, well, purely our liberasti!
  11. Rus2012
    Rus2012 29 June 2013 10: 31
    +1
    ... in the Russian blood to protect the persecuted, especially speaking the truth ...
    Our man is snowy, and if he wishes, let him stay with us!
    To give out, to exchange - this means knowingly sending to death! How do you imagine that?
    For, if it is otherwise, the price to this world and country is worthless !!!
  12. krez-74
    krez-74 29 June 2013 10: 49
    +2
    Snowden will not be given out! And the rest, as the card lies ...
  13. Sleptsoff
    Sleptsoff 29 June 2013 10: 57
    -2
    There are no former TSRs, Snowden is apparently instructed to play the role of an apple of discord, only it is not clear in whose interests, maybe the opponents of Obama, who seems to be in a bad relationship with Putin, apparently do not like this. Snowden and Assange did not say anything new, I think they are just puppets ... although, of course, it is possible that the guy just wanted to become famous.))
    1. poquello
      poquello 29 June 2013 13: 42
      +1
      "Snowden, like Assange, did not say anything new, I think they are just puppets ... although, of course, it is possible that the guy just wanted to become famous.))"

      As they did not say, earlier it was speculation, but now this statement - Google is spying in favor of the CIA. I look forward to continuing the banquet.

      Bob Dylan, "Money does not say, they blaspheme." There are people who measure everything with money; these are people without principles. And we have them. ”
  14. KG_patriot_last
    KG_patriot_last 29 June 2013 11: 11
    +3
    if you pass it, then there will be no new Snowden and Assanj ...
  15. Victor Kamenev
    Victor Kamenev 29 June 2013 11: 20
    +3
    Surrender Snowden when dozens of our Snowdens are impossible in the United States. Lavrov immediately hinted that we would consider Snowden's request. And they will consider, positively, Russia still has nothing to lose, unlike Ecuador. The stakes in the information battle are very high, and Snowden is the trump card in this game.
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 29 June 2013 12: 01
      0
      I tried to explain this to my fellow PENSIONER, when Edik just got to us! Ecuador is a bullshit, to which only the electorate is "led"
      1. Day 11
        Day 11 29 June 2013 12: 07
        +2
        "Take it by yourself, so as not to fall when walking" (C)
        1. Semurg
          Semurg 29 June 2013 12: 37
          -1
          Quote: Den 11
          "Take it by yourself, so as not to fall when walking" (C)

          The first time I hear this proverb, you need to remember. Get rid of the minus for the confused buttons.
          1. itkul
            itkul 29 June 2013 13: 42
            0
            Quote: Semurg
            The first time I hear this proverb must be remembered


            Have you not watched the movie "Brother", it's a classic
            1. Semurg
              Semurg 29 June 2013 13: 49
              0
              Quote: itkul
              Quote: Semurg
              The first time I hear this proverb must be remembered


              Have you not watched the movie "Brother", it's a classic

              I looked apparently past passed.
  16. 128mgb
    128mgb 29 June 2013 11: 29
    +4
    Quote: KG_patriot_last
    if you pass it, then there will be no new Snowden and Assanj ...

    Here! Therefore, Snowden must "dissolve" in Sheremetyevo. And then let's say Snowden? Who is this? We don't have that.
  17. Opera
    Opera 29 June 2013 11: 31
    0
    Ecuador unilaterally refused customs privileges with the United States, and the president of this country called the actions of the states disgusting blackmail!
  18. ed65b
    ed65b 29 June 2013 11: 58
    +4
    Snowden cannot be issued and exchanged either. he did not spy illegally in favor of the United States in Russia and was not caught. So there is no reason to delay and exchange it. political asylum can be granted but this will negatively affect not so warm relations with the United States. But to help him dissolve in an unknown direction, even if our special services know and can. Apparently now he is firmly held for yay .. and our special services and at the top there is a big game. Unless, of course, I do not prevail knowledge of Snowden. Yes, and I think since he was a programmer, he probably left a path for himself on the US network. There is where to walk the special services. overall a paradise for alarmists.
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 29 June 2013 12: 12
      -3
      In my opinion, Vladimir Volfovich Zhirinovsky said the idea with which everyone agrees --- We must "gut" Edik for information, and then exchange for Booth and our pilot (I do not remember the last name)!
      1. atalef
        atalef 30 June 2013 08: 08
        0
        Quote: Den 11
        In my opinion, Vladimir Volfovich Zhirinovsky said the idea with which everyone agrees --- We must "gut" Edik for information, and then exchange for Booth and our pilot (I do not remember the last name)!

        I absolutely support. with traitors it is necessary and behave accordingly. He is not a career intelligence officer - illegal. Betrayed - gutted and sent for exchange. Russia has no obligations to him, he was not recruited. And to collect any rabble from all over the world, just because they are against America is stupid. Here Depardieu, how many joyful squeals were. and passions subsided and it is clear who he turned out to be - a drunk, without any foundations, running from taxes, and now trying to obtain citizenship of 7 more states.
        1. poquello
          poquello 30 June 2013 13: 17
          +2
          "I absolutely support you. You have to behave with traitors accordingly. He is not a regular intelligence officer - an illegal. He betrayed - to gut him and send him for exchange. Russia has no obligations to him, he was not recruited. And to collect any rabble from all over the world, just because that they are against America - stupid. Here Depardieu - how many joyful squeals there were. And the passions subsided and it is clear who he turned out to be - an alcoholic, without any foundations, running away from taxes, and now trying to obtain citizenship of 7 more states. "

          Well, of course,
          if Snowden is a traitor,
          if Depardieu is a drunk,
          and if to you, then to your historical homeland.
  19. Ulysses
    Ulysses 29 June 2013 12: 04
    0
    Mr. Warner may be right in many respects, but it is clear to us that after saying all this, he just plucked the grass on the lawn and in no way got to the bottom of the deepest values ​​that have always been for Russians: truth, justice, collectivism, human compassion, conscience. This is not in the West, but it has always been in Russia.

    Salt article.
    I think all the fuss with Ecuador is a cover operation.
    It was clear from the very beginning that this country would not withstand the serious pressure of the United States.
  20. poquello
    poquello 29 June 2013 12: 42
    +1
    It is a pity that I can put only one minus.

    "It became known that the government of Ecuador was subjected to severe economic blackmail. It was announced that Ecuadorian exports to the United States will fall under protective sanctions if Snowden is granted asylum, and this immediately cooled the fervor of the Ecuadorians."

    Ecuador has prohibitively rejected US benefits.

    “The fundamental question is the situation with the crime that was reported, and the answer that the country (USA) must have given, accused of spying on the whole world,” Patigno said.

    Maduro is fully in solidarity with the position of Ecuador.

    The situation is such that now every country has the right to accuse the United States of espionage, so far only Germany has claimed claims on this issue (my respect).

    Further in the article, chewing snot about Putin and Russia, an astonished complaint about the reduction of emigrants from Russia and the final conclusion that Snowden will not be extradited, inserted to support the article by readers.

    I don’t know how Snowden’s story will end, but for me he’s a man who told the world about a crime against human rights, about the desire and attempts of crusaders to get under the covers for every person on the planet.
  21. Alwizard
    Alwizard 29 June 2013 12: 49
    +1
    Quote: Arkan
    Rather, these are the consequences of the reign of Gorbachev and Yeltsin, as well as the unclear policy of the Kremlin until 2008 ... Apparently, now the situation is changing.

    This trend lasted hundreds of years when our former allies suddenly found themselves on the other side of the barricades, centuries before the birth of Yeltsin and Gorbachev.
    Quote: alexdol

    I wonder who is this "reliable" ally? Who is this and where to find them? Is it in the west? Not "usa, england, france, germany ..." is this a case? If so, then again I will repeat what the remarkable scientist Andrei Fursov calls this SWORA: OPG is an organized criminal group! I personally think that it is high time to stop all contact with them! Until the end of the deep relationship! By the way, recently there was an article on the site with similar proposals, I put it to the author PLUS! And the fact that the West has not changed at all for CENTURIES, or even MILLENNIURES, while remaining our ENEMY, can be judged even by the article I have proposed "On Western Civilization", here we are talking about the so-called "Paraguayan version", all this was back in 19th century, but very much reminiscent of the events of the present days, I even met a similar comparison on the internet, here is the link http://stihi.ru/2010/01/02/2731

    Firstly, the world does not end in France, the USA and Great Britain.
    Secondly, the severance of diplomatic and economic ties with Europe will end in the collapse of the Russian economy, as Europe is the main buyer of our oil and gas.
  22. Russ69
    Russ69 29 June 2013 13: 31
    0
    Ecuador’s President Rafael Correa was in Washington a month ago to extend the preferential terms for exported goods. It is clear that now all this can crash with a roar and the affairs of the recently elected Rafael Correa in their homeland will not be so brilliant.

    Uh ... As far as I know Ecuador itself refused benefits yesterday. There are no obvious connections in the article, from here the conclusions are more similar to the next version.
  23. Egevich
    Egevich 29 June 2013 13: 37
    +1
    Quote: piston
    "Even those who routinely tear him to pieces in print today are increasingly admiring his persistence and determination."
    "Putin is very predictable in this episode."

    Yes, these two sentences are "torn" from the text, but in my opinion, they will help to understand the situation.
    First, the It has long been known that intelligence agencies of both the United States and Russia are monitoring their citizens (for various reasons). Snowden reiterated this about the United States. The United States provides for criminal prosecution for disclosing classified information under the law (however, as with us).
    Second, the Putin’s obviously clumsy actions again led Russia to again be left without international support. China, also a participant in these events, does not even recall .... "Thanks" to Putin, a couple of such similar cases and our country will turn into an outcast country. So is it worth so much to admire Putin's PREDICTABILITY?


    as for me, it is better to be an outcast than one of the jackals ... once before, the Empire was on its own and did not need someone else's location ...
  24. teodorh
    teodorh 29 June 2013 14: 11
    -2
    It is a trap. They will not give Russia an outcast covering a criminal. They will not give Russia a wimp who was afraid of the United States. Sorry for the primitiveness.
    1. Restor
      Restor 29 June 2013 15: 00
      +2
      For the sake of some kind of technology from the CIA, no one will do Russia an outcast. Yes, and they won’t be able to - the gut from the West has become thinner. If Zhenya Brennan asked for asylum, then yes ...)))
      But seriously, Snowden poses a much greater danger to the internal system of the United States and their public opinion. That is why it is important for amers to judge this "villain of the nation" in a revealing manner on their territory.
      Otherwise, Snowden will become an example for other Americans to overcome the most totalitarian system of "democracy" in the world.
      1. teodorh
        teodorh 29 June 2013 17: 10
        +1
        That's what I'm talking about.

        If Putin does not hand him over, the American media will show that Russia is harboring the "villain of the nation." Russia "evil empire", etc.

        If he betrays, Obama pressed another picture and Putin betrayed it. Like look at our president, he pacified Putin himself, etc.

        I certainly exaggerate. But something like that will seem to me.
        1. Restor
          Restor 29 June 2013 22: 09
          -1
          Putin’s image in the American media will not change in any situation with Snowden (they both hated Putin and will hate it), and Russia in any case will remain in the black.
          Amer understands that China and Russia got an extra trump card for free - that's why they are furious. The United States made a huge mistake by showing the whole world how important it is to them (Snowden)!
          There is no trap here for Putin - Pen. The dos themselves fell into the trap ...
        2. Apollo
          29 June 2013 22: 20
          +1
          Quote: teodorh
          If Putin doesn't give him away


          Vladimir Vladimirovich is not required to extradite Snowden to the United States.
          treaties between Russia and the USA on this account no.This is 1.
          Second, Snowden did not cross the Russian border. He (Snowden) is in the neutral zone.
    2. Gluxar_
      Gluxar_ 29 June 2013 16: 05
      0
      Quote: teodorh
      It is a trap. They will not give Russia an outcast covering a criminal. They will not give Russia a wimp who was afraid of the United States. Sorry for the primitiveness.

      Write nonsense. If someone proves that he is a criminal, the Russian Federation will extradite him in accordance with international treaties. So far, no one has provided evidence that he is the offender. And therefore Russia is seen by all as a fighter for freedom against totalitarianism in the United States. This is nonsense, hence the hype.
      1. Totenkopff
        Totenkopff 29 June 2013 17: 15
        -1
        If there is no extradition agreement, it will not give out, even if the offender.
    3. Simon
      Simon 29 June 2013 16: 26
      0
      Russia is not the same and Putin is not the same. Do not compare Russia with 90 years. Even this is evident in Syria. Russia without arms helped Syria, and the amers and their minions can not do anything. And after a few years, the amers and their pr..i will generally be silent.
  25. Semyon Albertovich
    Semyon Albertovich 29 June 2013 14: 23
    +2
    It is difficult, almost unrealistic, to defend national sovereignty against the States - all the economic and political institutions of the world are controlled and led by the United States. World sanctions from all sides fall on those who disagree (no one will stand up for the disgraced). If the States wanted, then Israel without a word would liberate the occupied Palestinian territories in a short time.
  26. Black
    Black 29 June 2013 16: 47
    +1
    For example, look at the swollen Barroso or Fule, whose cheeks are already visible from the back of the head, and at the same time, Putin looks like a taut and very strong man who needs to be cautiously crossedй

    Well, what is this, if not another lyzk!
    They wrote in one newspaper, Putin is needed (and read more context!), And so what? - and in the rest, rhetoric is like in the most remote years of the confrontation, with all that it implies.

    Snowden won't change anything. Putin will not become a Swiss bank for this fool, problems and without him for tonsils.
  27. Marconi41
    Marconi41 29 June 2013 16: 58
    0
    Snowden in the Russian Federation is an extra hemorrhoids for us! Naturally, Russia does not need to issue it, but there is no need to leave it with itself either. If he were in Cuba, the scandal around him would calm down in a couple of days. In the meantime, he will be howling with us for a long time.
    In general, Snowden is needed by the United States to solve internal political problems, as a Tsrushnik it does not have much value.
  28. poquello
    poquello 29 June 2013 17: 49
    +1
    And here is another confirmation of the chatter of this article

    “I would like that with the same urgency with which you (USA) insist on the extradition of Snowden if he sets foot on Ecuadorian land, you would act on the issue of extraditing many Ecuadorian deserters and refugees to the United States, in particular corrupt bankers who deliberately destroying the country in 1999, whose extradition the United States has repeatedly refused, ”- said in a press release published on the website of the diplomatic mission of Ecuador

    “We express love and respect to the American people, with whom we will always maintain excellent relations, and sympathize with the fact of global surveillance,” the embassy added.
  29. homosum20
    homosum20 29 June 2013 17: 55
    +2
    "As soon as the conversation reached Syria, Putin showed a tough stance and did not concede a single millimeter. The GXNUMX leaders had to agree with the Russian editorial staff."
    This requires a lot of art of conducting the discussion (he didn’t scare them with his fist. They weren’t made with a finger either).
    A lover of iPhones would have pissed off the situation at once.
    Putin time.
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 29 June 2013 17: 58
      0
      Well done! You’re thinking! Only not everyone will support us. At least there are already two of us!
  30. Galinanp
    Galinanp 29 June 2013 17: 58
    -3
    From the very beginning of this action, it was clear that this was another round of the Americans' game against Russia. Everything from Hong Kong is like vaudeville. I don't think I should go into detail about this story. In the previously built route of "escape" - Moscow is the final and main point. Putin and the Russian special services have built their counterplay similarly, even when Snowden was in Hong Kong. And the beginning of this counterplay is Lavrov's statement about the possible granting of asylum to the "fugitive" if he makes such a request. So to be continued.
  31. Lukich
    Lukich 29 June 2013 19: 54
    0
    ... Bulk m --- d..a..k, Snowden needs to be sheltered, and it’s time for Medvedev to dismiss ...

    ... Think not the topic ??? ..., and Putin today is the salvation of Russia !!! ...