BAE successfully tested the high-precision MS-SGP projectile from the MK45 Mod 4 cannon.

BAE Systems and United Technologies Corporation conducted full-scale tests of a unified guided projectile (MS-SGP, Multi-Service Standard Guided Projectile) at the White Sands missile range in New Mexico, USA.

During a test-controlled flight, an MS-SGP projectile, released from a BAE-made 5-inch sea gun MK45 Mod 4, confirmed the design characteristics to meet all the test objectives.

In addition, the tests confirmed the tactical capabilities of MS-SGP to carry out the firing range in 38 km.

MS-SGP was developed as a single projectile for the US military and its allies designed to defeat fixed or moving targets at a cost less than the cost of existing alternatives.

Chris Hughes, vice president and general manager of BAE Systems Weapon Systems, said that the United States and its allies are currently using more expensive solutions to provide fire support and defeat tactical targets.

"This projectile will allow us to equip American troops with long-range, high-precision ammunition at an affordable price, which will significantly expand our fire support capabilities," Hughes added.

Designed to greatly enhance the capabilities of the US Marine Corps and Army Corps, MS-SGP has a range of almost 100 km with an accuracy of less than 5-m, and also improves the capabilities of the US Navy MK45 guns.

The MK45 Mod 4 is a reinforced weapon and installed subsystems, advanced fire control system improvements, a touch user interface and a gun shield that requires minimal maintenance.

The improved 2 Mod design, a 62 long caliber trunk can also increase the fire support capabilities of surface ships (Naval Surface Fire Support, NSFS) and the general characteristics of the mission.

In total, MS-SGP has passed more than 110 subsystem tests and field shooting from the USN MXXUMX towed howitzer is scheduled for the next couple of months. BAE supplies the MK777 guns for the US Navy and the fleets of nine other states deployed on more than 45 ships.

Comments

[Atrix]

Not bad at 36 km deviated by 1.5 meters. Is there any specialist in artillery, what errors do we have at such a distance?

[mogus]

Quote: Atrix

Not bad at 36 km deviated by 1.5 meters. Is there any specialist in artillery, what errors do we have at such a distance?

I don’t know, I found http://topwar.ru/1397-korrektiruemye-artillerijskie-snaryady.html
Apparently we don’t have such shells ...

[Lopatov]

As well as they do not have such as ours. Americans have long licked at our correctable

[mogus]

with us, according to the table, up to 16 km. They have up to 38 km. Or is it still in the table and in reality the difference is two times?

[Lopatov]

Krasnopol-M up to 25 km

And by your link, not guided, but adjustable shells. Much cheaper. And it is them who the Americans want.

[mogus]

to 25, like M 1 ..?

[Lopatov]

Sure. The adjustable 152mm is "Centimeter"

[timeout]

Do not minus the comrade Lopatov, this is one of the few people in the military who really understands artillery. They didn’t teach badly in Kolomna!

[Lopatov]

It's a pity to close. Yekaterinburg is the Tbilisi WACU. And Kolomna is the best teachers from Ukrainian art. schools, which Major General Shumeev dragged to himself during the collapse of the USSR

[timeout]

You are still lucky to study with normal teachers ... And now it seems that all qualified teachers in all without exception higher education institutions have been sent to the reserve. It turns out that we are still lucky!

[Lopatov]

Well, we were not just normal ... They tried to close the school for a long time, the base is still much worse than in EVAKU. Only due to the highest level of teachers and survived. Until the time of Serdyukov, when this ceased to be an argument.

[timeout]

It is a fact...

[beard999]

Quote: Spade

Americans have long licked at our correctable

As I understand it, you mean that the Americans "licked" at CAS 3OF38 / 3OF75 from the composition of 2K24 / 2K24M http://izvestia.ru/news/540234. And how do you feel about the declared characteristics of these ammunition, in particular, to the "average value of the probability of being hit - 0,94" http://nvo.ng.ru/armament/1999-12-24/5_russiaway.html?print=Y. Your opinion, as an expert in artillery, can these numbers be trusted?

[Lopatov]

Why not? In principle, any weapon with a target probability above o.5 is considered to be highly accurate. Yes, the corrected shells need a more precise definition of the settings for firing, but their cheapness compensates for this drawback.

[beard999]

Quote: Spade

Why not?

It is simply strange that for UAS 3OF39M1 these figures are lower: for mobile - 0,75, for motionless - 0,8.
In general, in my opinion, today, the main drawback of such CAS and UAS is the target illumination equipment itself. It really hurts. The easiest I know is the 1D29 Vizir (in the modification of the LCD-4-3 it weighs 13 kg) http://www.polyus.info/production/designators_and_rangefinders/716443/.

[Lopatov]

Who will write this to you?

[_CAMOBAP_]

If we talk about ordinary shells - there is nothing to compare - the difference will be an order of magnitude, or even more. Vd and Vb - who served in the artillery, he knows what it is - no one canceled. To compare with our corrected ones - too little data. How a stationary target is struck is more or less clear, with moving targets is not yet clear. In addition, the "accurate" projectile is only part of the question, the other part, no less important, is reconnaissance, and in this case, target designation. Without target designation, any super-duper high-precision ammunition is an ordinary piece of iron, only very expensive. The development of means of combating enemy reconnaissance means is one of the tasks. This is electronic warfare, and false targets, and disguise. and the interception of control - Iran was able to plant an amerovsky UAV ... only these issues should have been dealt with not even yesterday, but even earlier

[Egen]

Quote: _CAMOBAP_

Vd and Vb - who served in artillery, he knows what it is - no one canceled.

Not canceled. From the memory of the shooting tables I do not remember, but it doesn’t matter, the first fork at such a distance is still 300 meters. But here it’s closer to direct fire :)

Quote: _CAMOBAP_

the other part - no less important - reconnaissance, and in this case, target designation

Target designation can also be from satellites, since the United States has a lot of them, or from UAVs, but there’s another question - the communication channel. Alone or with a return? Channel immunity from interference?

The purpose of the projectile is not fully understood. 130mm is an anti-tank caliber. There is no threat at this distance from tanks. Its high-explosive action is not enough. At sea, it's also easier to use a rocket, but there you don't need such precise aiming, from 1 5-inch shot to hit Iowa :) ... and the target is moving, and the rockets are now smarter. Better 152 or even 203mm - then it would be clearer. Therefore, as an artilleryman, it is not very clear to me what I would hit with 130 mm ammunition at 36 km. In the operational or strategic rear of the enemy, it is easier to use the same F-117 in place of the United States to destroy point targets in the place of the United States, when the enemy's opposition is not great, as in the Middle East. For group targets, it is better to use heavier artillery with adjustments from the UAV - it will be cheaper IMHO and easier. Well, in a serious war, not with a deliberately weak enemy ... forgot who said that the next world war will be on clubs :)

[Lopatov]

Professor, thanks for the article, but could you clarify: how is this device controlled? Clear business, it is the inertial with ZhPS correction control unit, but how on an ultimate trajectory? The article is about shooting at moving, so there must also be a GOS, infrared or semi-active laser.
Searched, but with my "English with dictionary" it is difficult to find.

[TRAFFIC]

That kind of nothing there

The 5-Inch SGP offers rapid time of flight and the capability of in-flight retargeting to address moving targets, changing target conditions, and surface threats.

that is, retargeting in flight to hit moving targets, that's all.

[Lopatov]

Quote: TRAFIC

that is, retargeting in flight to hit moving targets, that's all.

That is, the shell receives commands on the radio? And is there a complex device for tracking the target on its trajectory, constantly transmitting to the projectile the adjusted coordinates?
For the marine option, maybe. But for the land, it is hard to believe.

[TRAFFIC]

It’s possible on the radio as in this picture, or it’s possible as in this presentation http://ftp.navsys.com/papers/9810001.pdf, there, in principle, everything is clear from the pictures if you have poor English, plus the devices to get the adjusted coordinates.

[Lopatov]

It does not show devices that are capable of real-time adjusting the coordinates of the target on the path

[TRAFFIC]

http://www.navsys.com/products/gi-eye.htm ну вот же для авиации и там же в пдфке говориться о разрабатываемой переносимой системе для пехоты. А дальше данные обрабатываются и передаются на оружие.

[Lopatov]

Quote: TRAFIC

And then the data is processed and transmitted to the weapon.

Non-trivial task in the conditions of radio-electronic counteraction.

[Professor]

Good afternoon,

Quote: Spade

As well as they do not have such as ours. Americans have long licked at our correctable

They also have correctable ones like in Russia. Excalibur Extended Range Projectile

Quote: Spade

Could you clarify: how is this device controlled?

I looked, here are a few facts:
KVO <10 m with a warhead weight of 11.8-22.6 kg from M777 and M109A3 MACS Chg 4 at a distance of 70 km. Rate of fire 3 per minute, projectile time "on the way" 3 minutes 15 seconds for 70 km.

When shooting from the Mk 45 Mod 4, the rate of fire is 10 per minute, the travel time is 3: 45 at (attention !!!) 96 km, 6 shells simultaneously arrive at the target within 2 seconds (Multiple Rounds Simultaneous Impact).

About the control system has not yet been written.

[Lopatov]

good afternoon

Quote: professor

They also have correctable ones like in Russia. Excalibur Extended Range Projectile

Excalibur is also manageable. The Americans do not have corrected (with pulse correction systems) projectiles.

Quote: professor

When shooting from the Mk 45 Mod 4, the rate of fire is 10 per minute, the travel time is 3:45 on (attention !!!) 96 km

This is from a ship's gun mount, there is another charge.

[Professor]

Quote: Spade

Excalibur is also manageable. The Americans do not have corrected (with pulse correction systems) projectiles.

In vain did not follow the link.
Back in the 1980-ies for a lot of money, an 155-millimeter shell was developed Copperheaddesigned to destroy tanks with a single shot. Copperhead had laser guidance. That is, the projectile was aimed at laser radiation reflected from the target when it was irradiated by the gunner. It was the same method used on laser-guided bombs.

Quote: Spade

This is from a ship's gun mount, there is another charge.

70 km of howitzers is also impressive.

[Lopatov]

Copperhead is also manageable, not adjustable. An analogue of our controlled Krasnopol

The difference between the controlled and the corrected is not in the guidance method, but in the way the projectile is controlled. If it is controlling aerodynamic surfaces, the projectile is controllable; if the powder micromotors, the projectile is adjustable. The latter is much cheaper and easier.

[Nayhas]

All the same, Krasnopol needs illumination of the target from an external source, if we had a UAV fleet, but it wasn’t there and the scouts had to carry out illumination, endangering their lives. Escalibra does not need any illumination, set the coordinates and fired. Although more expensive, you don’t need to risk anyone’s life.
PS: China "could not resist" and released its own version of the Excalibur 155mm WS-35.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Nayhas

Escalibra does not need any illumination, set the coordinates and fired.

You have to pay for everything, "Excalibur" due to the lack of illumination can only shoot at stationary targets. And dependent on the signal of the ZhPS

Quote: Nayhas

but you don’t need to risk anyone’s life.

Yah. And who are you going to take the coordinates of the target from?

[Professor]

Quote: Spade

Yah. And who are you going to take the coordinates of the target from?

From the UAV. By the way, he can highlight, but only one at a time.

[Lopatov]

UAVs in modern combat are very vulnerable.

[Professor]

Quote: Spade

UAVs in modern combat are very vulnerable.

Yes, quit. I will not once again quote Shamanov. Look at least at the 3 Orbiter with an electric motor, it's not so easy to notice and bring down. About generally smaller UAVs I am silent.

[Lopatov]

Are you sure. that he is not only able to highlight, to determine the coordinates of targets? Ultra small they are just for watching.

[Professor]

Quote: Spade

Are you sure. that he is not only able to highlight, to determine the coordinates of targets? Ultra small they are just for watching.

I am sure. I will quote myself beloved.
UAV Orbiter
Fully stabilized platform D-STAMP allows you to get a clear color video image in the daytime. It has a tenfold optical zoom and full coverage in azimuth and altitude.

It also has a new scanning mode to quickly cover a large area. STAMP-HD weighs 750 grams and is equipped with a high-resolution daylight camera. The U-Stamp platform, stabilized in three planes, allows you to get a clear color video image at night. It has digital zoom and full coverage in azimuth and altitude, is equipped with an uncooled thermal imager with and without zoom. The M-STAMP includes a daylight camera, an uncooled dual-field thermal imager and laser pointer and all this with a weight of 1.2 kg. Currently, work is underway to further reduce the weight of the M-STAMP model to one kilogram. The T-STAMP model weighs 2.8 kg and contains three sensors on a stabilized platform: a cooled thermal imager with continuous zoom and a CCD camera. T-STAMP also contains a stabilized inertial measuring device providing precise location of targets.

[Lopatov]

And the rangefinder?

Quote: professor

also contains a stabilized inertial measuring device providing accurate determination of the geographical location of targets.

The mistake crept in. Not goals, but the UAV itself.

[Professor]

Quote: Spade

The mistake crept in. Not goals, but the UAV itself.

There is no mistake, I personally saw this system at the exhibition. As far as I remember (it was long ago), the papelats knowing their location in three coordinates and the azimuth of the target calculates its coordinates (the target on the ground) and binds it to the map.

[Lopatov]

Then, it's OK. However, I looked, the device has a wingspan of almost 4 meters. I would not say that it is very difficult to notice.

[Professor]

Quote: Spade

However, I looked, the device has a wingspan of almost 4 meters. I would not say that it is very difficult to notice.

Orbiter 3 is almost 4 meters, others are smaller. From personal experience, I was lucky enough to "catch" a Hermes-900 through binoculars after three months of observations, and that case was at sunset and a bunny was reflected on its plane. And so buzzed for months and figs you will catch him. Ask igor67, he lives in Safed, drones are constantly hanging over him.

[Lopatov]

Those that are smaller do not highlight.

[Professor]

Quote: Spade

Those that are smaller do not highlight.

Highlight. The entire "backlight" weighs 1200 grams.

[Lopatov]

Highlights only 3 Orbiter specifically looked. The backlight is much heavier - the gyrostabilized platform also needs to be added to these 1.2 kg

[Professor]

Quote: Spade

Highlights only 3 Orbiter specifically looked. The backlight is much heavier - the gyrostabilized platform also needs to be added to these 1.2 kg

All payloads, including a laser pointer, weighs 2.8 kg and can be placed on multiple platforms. Orbiter 3 peseta 5 kg payload. However, we started by determining the coordinates of the target for Escalibur. This can be done even by a small, almost imperceptible UAV (fortunately, an algorithm has already been created) and electronic warfare in this case is hardly effective. In short, these shells are formidable weapons, although I personally prefer missiles.

[Lopatov]

Quote: professor

EW in this case is hardly effective.

??? The coordinates of the goal also need to be transferred.

[Professor]

Quote: Spade

??? The coordinates of the goal also need to be transferred.

The operating frequency of the UAV also needs to be detected (and when it jumps in a pseudo-random sequence over the entire spectrum it is almost impossible), they only write about drowning in fairy tales.

[Fetel]

By the way, the radiation of the S-300 radars can be modulated in the same way - "in a pseudo-random sequence over the entire spectrum", and any other air defense system too, and it will also become impossible to drown out, don't you think?

[Professor]

Quote: FeteL

By the way, the radiation of the S-300 radars can be modulated in the same way - "in a pseudo-random sequence over the entire spectrum", and any other air defense system too, and it will also become impossible to drown out, don't you think?

An interesting idea, but IMHO is poorly feasible, the spectrum is narrow, there is nowhere to jump.

[Fetel]

How is it - radars have a "narrow spectrum", "nowhere to jump", but a UAV has a wide range? The developers of the S-300 and S-400 themselves assure that there is where to jump - "One lane is clogged with interference, we work on the neighboring ones" - that is, if everything were so simple, the West and Israel would not have hysteria about the S-300.

[Professor]

Quote: FeteL

How is it - radars have a "narrow spectrum", "nowhere to jump", but a UAV has a wide range?

Lay out the frequencies of the spectra and the bandwidths and compare them together, and this is all the talk.

[Nayhas]

Quote: Spade

You have to pay for everything, "Excalibur" due to the lack of illumination can only shoot at stationary targets. And dependent on the signal of the ZhPS

Recently, there was news on Excalibur: "Raytheon has initiated its own program to modernize 155 mm Excalibur with GPS satellite guidance with a new guidance and navigation unit (GNU) equipped with a semi-active laser system SAL (semi- active laser), ASDNews reported on June 20. " "Krasnopol" depends on the agility of the scouts, whether they will be able to sneak a laser rangefinder-target designator into the enemy's rear, turn on the backlight, stay out of sight and escape alive together with bulky equipment. The question "not to light up" is very difficult, well if you need to aim one projectile, but if several? The enemy can detect the position of the spotters and then they will have a hard time. The UAV, on the other hand, can conduct reconnaissance unnoticed, transmit the coordinates of the target online and leave ...

[Windbreak]

So in the picture like Escalibur himself, and not his Chinese copy.

[Lopatov]

I would not be so sure of this ... Another question is where they managed to steal the source.

[Windbreak]

Escalibur is
http://www.baesystems.com/cs/groups/public/documents/document/mdaw/mdyy/~edisp/b
aes_052310.pdf

[Tot-enot]

The problem with Excalibur is its cost, exact prices cannot be found, but it looks like "Centimeter" is simpler and several times cheaper, and this is what makes it interesting.

[Roll]

The gun and the projectile are good, but is it necessary to chase the range like that, the missile still flies further, say a tornado system can cover this cannon from 60 kilometers.

[Professor]

Quote: Rolm

say a tornado system can cover this cannon with 60 kilometers.

96 km is greater than 60 km.

[Lopatov]

It remains to figure out how to put some destroyer on the ground mover

[Professor]

70 km is also greater than 60 km

[Lopatov]

But less than 120

[ed65b]

What do you say work in the states. Yes, and they would not work with such a budget. Give our money, I’m sure they will not shame.

[sergey261180]

Give our money, I’m sure they will not shame.

Give our money, sure soprut.

[Lopatov]

Come on, in the nastiest times they did not steal, they gave out a bunch of new managed and corrected "to the mountain", and then suddenly they will start stealing.

[sergey261180]

Is it you stagnation that you call filthy at times?

[alex67]

Thanks to the professor for the good article.
the ship’s gun hits 38 km ...

[Lopatov]

Ship on 100

[mogus]

Quote: Spade

Professor, thanks for the article, but could you clarify: how is this device controlled? Clear business, it is the inertial with ZhPS correction control unit, but how on an ultimate trajectory? The article is about shooting at moving, so there must also be a GOS, infrared or semi-active laser.
Searched, but with my "English with dictionary" it is difficult to find.

The original is not about the guidance method. Other sources reprint this article.
They can 100 km. to launch - seriously.

[Lopatov]

Quote: mogus

Other sources reprint this article.

Here I am about that.
In general, most likely this problem is solved in the same way as the Germans and Italians

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/327066.html

[mogus]

I liked about self-liquidation.
Things like that are good for pinpoints. But not always the database will be like 08.08.08, it is necessary to develop MLRS. Began to come across information about 150 km. "Tornado"

[mogus]

related video

[mogus]

one more video

[kind]

Designed to greatly enhance the capabilities of the US Marine Corps and Army Corps, MS-SGP has a range of almost 100 km with an accuracy of less than 5-m, and also improves the capabilities of the US Navy MK45 guns.

Blah blah blah. A missile with a tactical missile range? At such a range, even the MLRS does not shoot.

[Professor]

Quote: Good

Blah blah blah. Tactical range projectile

Well, thank God. Nobody caught BAE in a lie, but a "kind person was found and brought them to clean water."

[_CAMOBAP_]

Quote: Egen

From memory of the shooting tables I do not remember

- smiled. But are there such unique ones that they remember? As for the caliber - also a question. of course. Although the principle itself is important here - it turned out to be 130 mm, it will turn out to be 155 and more.

[Egen]

Quote: _CAMOBAP_

But are there such unique ones that they remember?

And then! :) I still "tied" about 3 years ago, at least not the numbers, of course, but I remembered the mutual order :) The memory was just good :) :(

[sergey261180]

What is the initial velocity of the projectile?