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The bright fate of the guard regiment

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The bright fate of the guard regiment



249 th regiment of the convoy troops of the NKVD of the USSR.

The regiment was formed with the beginning of the war in June 1941 of the year according to the mobilization plan of the NKVD of the USSR consisting of three companies as the 129 th separate convoy battalion of the convoy troops of the NKVD of the USSR. Deployment: Odessa, Ukrainian SSR. Soon, the number of personnel of the battalion was brought to the staff of the regiment -1070 man and 23 of June part was renamed 249-th convoy regiment of convoy troops of the NKVD of the USSR, is part of the 13-th division of the KV NKVD of the USSR.
Major Bratchikov Filipp Ivanovich, deputy commander for political affairs - battalion commissar Klimenko Vasily Artamonovich (Artomovich), chief of staff - captain Zub Dmitry Ivanovich was appointed commander of the regiment. The regiment consists of two battalions, the commander of 1-th - Art. Lieutenant Kreshevsky Ivan Dmitrievich.

As of 3 July, 1941, the regiment was manned, but lacked food supplies and especially shoes (70%) (From the summary of the convoy troops of the NKVD of the USSR).
Having completed the formation and putting together units and subunits, the regiment in late June and early July 1941 began to provide security on the streets of Odessa and the region, performs the tasks of protecting the military rear of the Southern Front, the Maritime Army, which is directly preparing for the battle for Odessa, as well as engaged in the evacuation of prisoners from prisons of Odessa, Nikolaev, Kherson (covered in the summary of the Directorate of the convoy troops of the NKVD of the USSR No. 21).

By August 1941, a difficult situation developed throughout the Soviet-German front: the Nazis captured the Baltic states, Belarus, and most of the left-bank Ukraine. The enemy, not taking into account the losses, rushed to the east. The main goal of the fascist army group "South" in those days was Odessa - a major seaport and transport hub, one of the main bases of the Soviet Black Sea fleet. As early as August 5, 1941, units of the 11th German and 4th Romanian armies reached the far approaches to the city and tried to break through Odessa fortifications on the fly. The first assault was repelled, the 73-day heroic defense of Odessa began. Together with the units of the Red Army and the Black Sea sailors, the soldiers of the internal troops of the NKVD of the USSR * died ...


In the figure, the servicemen of the NKVD troops in the form of a rev.1937g. On the left, a Red Army man in summer uniform, in the center is a lieutenant of infantry of the NKVD troops in winter uniform, on the right is the senior political officer of the NKVD troops in a jacket.

On the morning of August 8, when a state of siege was imposed on the city, the commander of the 249 regiment of the NKVD convoy forces Major Bratchikov was summoned to the commander of a separate Primorye army, Lieutenant General Georgy Sofronov. The major received an order: with one battalion to take up positions on the right flank of the line of defense near the village of Luzanovka, holding them to the last possible opportunity. Order is an order. But it was not easy to carry out to his major: almost all the units of the regiment had already been involved in solving various tasks. Some provided for the evacuation of prisoners and prisoners of war to the rear, others carried out the service for guarding the southern group's separate Primorye Army headquarters, others patrolled Odessa streets ... And yet the consolidated battalion was formed - in the evening of August 8 245 people led by senior lieutenant Ivan Kreshevsky were already digging around at Lusanovka . For a week, the enemy did not show much activity on this site, trying to break through to Odessa from other directions.

However, on August 16, the situation changed dramatically: the Romanians managed to find a gap in our defense and for about 16 hours by forces of up to one regiment with the support of tanks and artillery flanked the 1st Marine Regiment near the village of Shitsli and at a height of 37.5. Kreshevsky received a new task - at the head of the combined battalion urgently make a march to the Novo-Dofinovka area, together with the sailors counterattack the enemy and liquidate the breakthrough. The combined convoy battalion, whose fighters had only rifles, light machine guns and grenades, reached the line of attack by one o'clock in the morning. Losing no time, the battalion commander sent a platoon led by senior sergeant Nikolai Ilyin for reconnaissance, and he himself contacted the commander of the Marines by radio to coordinate actions. Having received information from the scouts, Kreshevsky realized that the enemy was not ready to repel a serious attack from this direction, expecting it from the position of the marines. And the senior lieutenant had a bold plan: to attack immediately, at night, while darkness obscured the small number of his units! Having informed the Marines of their plans, on August 17 Kreshevsky led the battalion into a night attack. A platoon of senior sergeant Ilyin hit the forehead of the enemy. Making as much noise as possible, he riveted the main attention of the Romanians. At the same time, two companies under the command of Lieutenant Alexander Schepetov and Junior Lieutenant Sergei Konkin fell on the flank of the German allies.



Another group of fighters, led by battalion commissar Vasily Klimenko, went to the Romanians in the rear, cutting off their retreat to the crossing of the Ajalyk liman. The enemy was trapped on three sides. Among the Romanians began to panic. And the enemy, who had guns, mortars, tanks at his disposal, four times as many as the combined convoy battalion, ran! And he ran exactly where his senior lieutenant Kreshevsky was trying to send him, towards Buldynka village, where the marines had dug in. The Chernomorets met the Romanians with dagger-gun and machine gun fire. In that night battle, the soldiers of the internal troops showed miracles of courage, bravery and heroism.

«17 August 1941 years - reported to the Army Commander commander of the southern group of the Maritime Army Brigade Commander Monakhov - the village Shitsli of the personnel of the battalion 249-th regiment of the NKVD troops particularly distinguished commander 2-th company of Lieutenant Shchepetov skillful and energetic action captured mortars enemy himself personally installed them against the enemy, and hit the enemy with the accurate fire of captured mortars. In this battle Comrade. Shchepetov heroically died. The squadron commander of the 2 Company, Lieutenant Mishan, captured two guns, being wounded, and together with the Red Army soldier Vavilov turned the captured guns towards the enemy and with accurate fire destroyed the fascists. The Red Army soldier Barinov, armed with a machine gun, broke into the enemy's position, destroyed the soldiers and officers with machine gun fire to 20, shot a retreating group of Romanians to 40 people, destroyed the command post, where the 12 officers were located. Comrade Barinov, being seriously wounded, did not leave the battlefield until the enemy was completely defeated. A Red Army soldier Tsykalov, being captured, was beaten and pinned to the ground with a bayonet. During the interrogation, a projectile exploded near, two Rumanian officers were killed by its rupture, and the rest ran off to the side. Tov. Tsykalov, using this moment, raised a grenade lying near and, freed from the bayonet, threw it into a group of officers, after which he reached the location of his unit. (It should be clarified here: I got crawling, bleeding as both Romanians pierced his legs with a bayonet). The battalion showed exceptional ability to conduct hand-to-hand combat. I note the high training of personnel. For the entire period of the battle, not a single case of not only panic was shown, but even a similarity of cowardice. In the battle of 17.08.41, the battalion defeated more than two enemy battalions with artillery, mortars and tanks ... ”.

In his report, the brigade commander, for unknown reasons, did not mention two other heroes: military regiment Xenia Migurenko who participated in the battle on equal terms with men and machine gunner Timofey Bukareva. This fighter, who received 7 (!) Wounds, entered into a hand-to-hand fight with two Romanian officers, armed only with a demining shovel. Having cut the skulls to both of them, he laid down for the captured machine gun and continued to smash the enemies with well-aimed bursts. The updated result of that night battle is as follows: the battalion (and in fact, two incomplete companies), headed by the senior lieutenant of the NKVD troops, Ivan Kreshevsky, completely destroyed two Romanian battalions and seriously patted the third one. As trophies, 4 operational light tanks, 20 artillery shells and as many mortars, 20 heavy machine guns were captured. The score for the captured machines went to hundreds ... The joy of victory was overshadowed by serious losses suffered by the battalion: 97 of its fighters and commanders fell in battle at Shitzli or were seriously injured, after which they could no longer remain in the ranks. It was not necessary to count on replenishment, and there was no order to move to the rear. And because the convoy battalion, in which there were only 148 active bayonets, continued to hold positions between Shittsli and Buldinka for 10 days.

The subunit commander, Ivan Kreshevsky, was taken over by Captain Dmitry Ivanovich, Chief of Staff of the 249 Convoy Regiment, Captain Dmitry Ivanovich Zub, and after his death on August 28, lieutenant Sugak Junior Lieutenant, then Lieutenant Alexei Chernikov, adjutant of the battalion. Only 28 of August completely exhausted and thoroughly thinned units of the regiment were replaced at the defensive line by units of the Red Army. The remains of the regiment arrived in Odessa, where they were preparing for evacuation.
Odessa continued to fight, chained to her considerable forces of the Nazis. And in the trenches, and in the besieged city itself, side by side with the Red Army soldiers, sailors and militiamen, the soldiers of the 249 convoy regiment of the NKVD troops still served. Separate regiment units left Odessa together with its last 16 defenders in October 1941. On ships of the Black Sea Fleet, they were evacuated to Sevastopol. And they came from fire and into the fire. From archival documents it is known that the 3-I convoy company of the regiment under the command of Art. Lieutenant Kurinenko and ml. political instructor Korneev from October 30 1941 takes part in the battles for the Crimea.
Excerpt from the report of the chief of the political department of the border troops of the NKVD of the Black Sea District regimental commissar G.V. Kolpakov for 20 in November 1941 of the year: “30.10.41. When it became known about the penetration of the Nazis to the village of Bulganak, in 21.00 the company of the NKVD convoy regiment consisting of 80 people under the command of the company commander, senior lieutenant Kurinenko, and the political officer of the junior political officer, Korneev, in the company of the company, Senior Lieutenant Kurinenko and political officer of the junior political officer, Korneev, on the line, on the line, on the line, on the team of senior lieutenant Kurinenko and political officer of the junior political officer, Korneev, on the line, on the line, on the line, on the line, on the team of senior lieutenant Kurinenko and political officer of the junior politruk Korneev, in the company of the company, senior lieutenant Kurinenko and political officer of the junior politruk Korneev, on the line, put on the line, and put the game. area to stop advancing the enemy. Around 3.00, a company came across advanced Nazi units. Having no information about the forces of the enemy, the company took up defense and at dawn around 6.00 entered the battle.

The battle showed that against the convoy company the enemy acts many times over with superior forces, having also artillery and mortars. Despite this, the company completed the task of fighting to keep the enemy advancing. All fighters and commanders in battle showed exceptional stamina. Particularly distinguished gunner Red Army Shatila, a member of the Komsomol. With a machine gun fire, he destroyed 2 gun crews, two motorcyclists and many enemy soldiers.
After enduring a nearly two-hour battle, by the 8.00 the company, swept over from both sides by the enemy, left the positions in an orderly manner. The enemy in this battle lost killed to 60 soldiers and officers. Company losses - 6 fighters killed and 6 people injured, including the political instructor of the company Korneev. ”

12 November 1941, the 3 company, which was part of the 249 convoy regiment that arrived from Odessa, together with several subdivisions of the Crimean border guards, were brought to the Separate Regiment of the NKVD Troops.



The commander of the regiment was appointed a border guard Major Gerasim Rubtsov, who later fell in the battles for Sevastopol and was posthumously awarded the title Hero of the Soviet Union.
November 25 company in the regiment is involved in the attack of the German positions near Balaclava, breaking the next attempt to get the Nazis to the outskirts of Sevastopol. In the future, as reported by 2 in March 1942, the Commander of the Black Sea border area of ​​the brigade commander N.S. Kiselev, the fighters of this unit "firmly held the lines occupied by them, and the fighting and feats accomplished by individual servicemen were widely popularized among the Red Army and Navy men of the Sevastopol garrison."

In the chronicles of the Sevastopol epic there is a little-known and rarely mentioned by historians fact: in February 1942, the Germans, having failed to break the resistance of the city’s defenders in the usual ways, attacked the positions of the Soviet troops with chemical shells at one of the offensive sites. Accidentally or not, it was precisely the sector of defense where the units of the consolidated regiment of the NKVD troops were selected as the object of the gas attack. It can be seen that the KGB fighters for the Hitler warriors were very annoyed ... But even after this act of intimidation, the spirit of the soldiers was not broken!

This company in full force was killed in March 1942, when the Germans made another attempt to assault Sapun Mountain, the key position of the Sevastopol defensive lines. Perished without stepping a single step.

It remains to add that, having received a report on the heroic actions of the soldiers and commanders of the 249 convoy regiment during the defense of Odessa, the Commander of the NKVD of the USSR General-¬ Major Arkady Apollon personally asked the People's Commissar to award the military unit with the Order of the Red Banner in September 1941. But the regiment never received this award. Vasily Barinov, who received the Golden Star and the machine-gunner who destroyed Romanian soldiers and officers in one battle over 70 and submitted for this feat to the title of Hero of the Soviet Union, did not receive the Gold Star. Only by mid-February 1942, a decree was signed on awarding participants in the August battle at Shitzli. Five of them - junior lieutenants Alexander Perelman and Sergey Konkin, senior sergeant Nikolai Ilyin, Red Army soldiers Mikhail Vavilov and Vasily Barinov - were awarded the Order of the Red Banner. Seven more servicemen — battalion commissar Vasily Klimenko, political instructor Ustim Koval-Miller, senior lieutenant Ivan Kreshevsky, lieutenant Mikhail Mishchan, sergeant Grigori Kapralov, junior sergeants Sergey Mukhin and Alexander Sysuev — became the knights of the Red Star order.

And what about the regiment? At the end of September 1941, he essentially experienced a rebirth. Several of its units and units that carried out planned convoy and other tasks in July-August could not return to besieged Odessa. These units were concentrated in Kharkov (1-th battalion), on the Crimean peninsula (3-I convoy company). At the beginning of October, the main forces of the regiment arrived in Starobelsk, Voroshilovograd Oblast, and the combat banner of the unit was also delivered there. In Starobelsk part of the regiment, replenished with personnel and weapons, are until October 1941 19.


A group of soldiers 249-th regiment of the escort troops of the NKVD of the USSR. In the center - battalion commissar Vasily Klimenko

On October 24, the newly formed 249 th regiment of the 13 th division of the KV NKVD of the USSR redeployed to Stalingrad *. Arriving in the wrong place, units of the regiment began to carry guard and convoy service, guarding the rule of law and the rear units preparing for the defense of the city named after Stalin.

In February 1942, the 13 Division was renamed the 35 Division of the KV NKVD of the USSR. The old warrior (in the Red Army from 249) is already commanded by Lieutenant Colonel Bratchikov, continues to command the units of the 1918 regiment that became part of the newly formed division.
In the summer of 1942, Stalingrad turned into a front-line city. The soldiers of the regiment carried a guard service at the entrances to the city, on the crossings over the Volga, patrolled the streets of Stalingrad, simultaneously engaged in combat training.

In mid-August, the regiment is transferred to the northern part of Stalingrad, where it takes up positions in the fortifications of the northern sector of defense. 249-th entered the 10-th division of the NKVD troops under the command of Colonel A.A. Sarajevo.

In the morning of August 23, F. Paulus’s army, forcing Don in the Vertyachyi-Peskovatka area, by the forces of the 6 tank and 14 army corps launched an offensive from a bridgehead on the left bank of the Don and by 51 on August 16, the enemy’s team broke the match boundaries, on the site Katovka-village Market. Dozens of German tanks 23 of the tank corps appeared in the area of ​​the STZ, in 14 — 1 km from the factory workshops.

At this point, only small portions of the Stalingrad garrison could be involved in repelling the German offensive from the north. The modest forces of the 62 Army continued to conduct intense rearguard battles on the eastern bank of the Don, while the main forces of the front were concentrated on the right flank, and the front command did not anticipate the possibility of such a quick German breakthrough on the left flank.

Before the regiments of the 10 division there was a difficult and responsible task. It was necessary to prevent the breakthrough of the shock fascist units to the city and, having won the time by active defense, to enable the Red Army troops to regroup and reach new frontiers. The task was complicated by the fact that the 10-division, which constituted the main force of the garrison, was deployed on the south-western approaches to Stalingrad, and the enemy was approaching its northern outskirts.


Battalion Commissar Vasily Klimenko

In addition to the five regiments of the 10 division, the Stalingrad garrison included the 21 training tank battalion (about 2000 people and 15 tanks), the 28 training tank battalion (about 500 people and several tanks), two battalions of cadets of the military-political school (about 1000 people), 32-th consolidated detachment of the Volga Military Flotilla (220 people), 73-th separate armored train of NKVD troops, consolidated battalion of the 91-th railway regiment and fighter battalions. In total, it was about 15-16 thousands of people who needed to cover the 50-kilometer front. Forces were clearly not enough. Moreover, the garrison had absolutely no artillery and anti-tank weapons.
August 23, the enemy inflicted cruel city aviation strike, in a few hours the enemy made up to 1200 sorties. The commander of the 10th Infantry Division of the NKVD, A. A. Sarayev, was also the commandant of the fortified area of ​​the city. On his orders, the organization of the defense of the northern part of Stalingrad was entrusted to the 99th Tank Brigade, the combined naval detachment and the workers' fighter battalions. Major General N.V. Feklenko was appointed the head of the combat area. On the line Gorodishche-Gnusina-Verkhnyaya Elshanka-Kuporosnoye defense, the units of the 10th division occupied.
According to the operational summary No. 251 of the General Staff of the Red Army on the 8.00 8.09.1942, the division occupied defenses at the turn of the forest of the West. NP Barricades - a forest south-zap. eg Red October - mark 112,5 - prig. Minina - Elshanka.

The forward detachment of the Nazi 14 tank corps divided on the approach to the Volga: part of it moved towards the river, and part of it set its sights on the northern outskirts of Stalingrad, where the 249 regiment was under the command of Lieutenant Colonel Bratchikov.

The bulk of the German tanks moved towards Latoshinka and Market. Here they were met by the massed fire of the 1077 batteries of the anti-aircraft artillery regiment of the air defense corps. A fierce protracted battle broke out. The anti-aircraft gunners repelled one enemy attack after another, almost at close range, shooting armored vehicles. But the forces were too unequal. By morning, the German tank avalanche swept over positions of anti-aircraft gunners. Almost all the gunners in the three divisions fell to the death of their heroes, completing the combat mission to the end. Before their positions, about seven dozen Nazi tanks were left to burn.

Several German tank divisions, at the cost of enormous losses, managed to reach the north bank with the Wet Mechetki. Here the units of the 21 and 28 training tank battalions and the fighter battalion of the tractor factory entered the battle. The night stopped a fierce battle. The fascists failed on August 23 to break through to Stalingrad.


Commander of the joint battalion, Senior Lieutenant Ivan Krishevsky

24 August day, the Nazi propaganda announced the day of the decisive assault on Stalingrad. The German command pulled fresh troops to the northern outskirts of the city, reinforced them with tanks and artillery. On this day, the Germans attacked in different directions several times, but all their efforts did not produce results. The enemy, leaving about ten tanks on the battlefield, 14 vehicles and 300 soldiers and officers, in the evening stopped trying to break through to the tractor factory.

25 August was ordered to impose a state of siege at Stalingrad. To strengthen the defense, the 282 th rifle regiment of the division was sent to the northern outskirts of the city, which 25 August to 6.00 occupied the area along the Mokraya Mechera beam at the front of the 28 training tank battalion. To the west, against Orlovka, at the same time the 249 th convoy regiment advanced.
After strengthening the defense of the northern sector, an attempt was made to counterattack the enemy in the area of ​​forest plantations and the farm Meliorativny. In the area of ​​forest planting attack did not bring success. The farm was taken, but the fighter battalions suffered heavy losses.

In the morning of August 26, the Nazis opened fierce fire on the northern sector. About a hundred German bombers participated in the raid on the defenders of the city. A bomb attack was also inflicted on the tractor plant and the Red October, on the workers' villages.

On August 26, the commander of the 282 regiment of the 10 division, Major MG Gruschenko, was appointed the commander of the northern sector of defense. In addition to the units that were already here, the 1186 th anti-tank artillery regiment arrived from the front reserve was also subordinated to it. And although the onslaught of the fascists on the left flank, south of Orlovka, did not weaken, the division commander, Sarajev, decided to strike a blow on the enemy with a view to seizing the dominant 135,4 and 101,3 heights and dropping the Nazis from the tractor factory. The front commander approved this decision, and on August 27 the offensive began on 17.00.
The first to move rapidly towards the enemy was the 282 regiment in cooperation with the tank crews, sailors and units of the 249 regiment.


Former company commander of the 249 regiment of the convoy troops of the NKVD of the USSR Sergey Konkin

29 August The 249 th regiment attacked in conjunction with the 124 th rifle machine-gun brigade of Colonel Gorokhov who came to help him. To the height of 135,4, the company of the first lieutenant Shkurikhin made its way

As a result of the offensive battles of 27-30 in August, despite the superiority of the enemy in manpower and military equipment, he was crushed and thrown away from the tractor factory for 3-4 kilometers. Our units captured the village of Rynok, a tree-planting and 135,4 height, which greatly improved their positions.
The 249 th regiment, which occupied the line south of the village of Orlovka, accepted its main battle here, perfectly fulfilled the combat mission. On August 27, his warriors knocked the enemy out of the village and advanced along the southern slopes of 144,2. The entire personnel of the regiment showed courage, the will to win and high military skill.

In the battles for Stalingrad, the regiment's veteran and favorite, Ivan Kreshevsky, also distinguished himself. Already the captain, the battalion commander, Ivan Dmitrievich “... showed exceptional organizational skills and personal initiative. During the attack of the battalion to the height of 144,2, he headed the leadership of the subunit operating on the main line of attack and first mastered the height, which ensured the attack of the regiment and the rout of the enemy near the height of 144,2 and Orlovka. Despite the fierce attacks of the numerically superior enemy forces, the battalion of Comrade Kreshevsky bravely kept the line he occupied. ” (From the award list, see the appendix). For fights on the defense of Stalingrad, Captain Kreshevsky became the knight of the second order of the Red Star.

After desperate attacks, having suffered a series of defeats, the enemy stopped the attacks in the Orlovka area and turned his attention to the central part of Stalingrad. The units of the 249 regiment, having received a breather, put themselves in order, strengthened their positions, and then on September 2, 1942 of the year surrendered their positions to the units of the Red Army and begin redeployment to Uralsk. There are not many military units in the Red Army that took part in the defense of the three cities, which became hero cities after the war!

It should also be noted that for the successful leadership of the regiment in the battles of Orlovka, the regimental commander, Lieutenant Colonel Bratchikov was awarded his first (!) And truly deserved state award - the Order of the Red Banner. (This is me to the topic of supposedly unreasonable, numerous, undeserved and regular rewarding of units of the NKVD guarding the rear of the Soviet fronts and armies).


Former sergeant Nikolai Ilyin in the postwar period in the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs rose to colonel

Since January, the 43 Regiment has been following the advancing units of the Red Army, providing rear services for the fronts, and is in convoy service. Parts of the regiment serve in the city of Balashov in the Saratov region, in November the 1943-th regimental headquarters receives an order to relocate to Zaporizhia, then to Dnepropetrovsk, where it proceeds to perform operational tasks in the territory of Dnepropetrovsk, Zaporozhye and Crimea regions. During this year, the regiment escorted more 62000 prisoners of war from the front line into the country.

In 1943-1944, the regiment carried out the tasks of guarding the army rear, escorting prisoners of war and guarding camps of prisoners of war in the 3 and 4 Ukrainian fronts.

In April 1944, the regiment was again based in liberated Odessa. A new order was received here: “The 249-th convoy regiment of the NKVD should be sent to the city of Dnepropetrovsk for service”.

For success in combat and political training, the regiment was awarded the rolling Red Banner of the 33 division of the NKVD and the rolling Red Banner of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine (in 1965 year).

In 1975, the 249-th separate convoy brigade of the Internal Troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the USSR was awarded the Order of the Red Star by the Decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR for successful fights in the Great Patriotic War.

Already in peacetime, the fighters of this unit took part in the protection of public order in the Crimea and the republics of the Transcaucasus. Participated in hostilities in Afghanistan, in the aftermath of the earthquake in Armenia, the Chernobyl disaster.
Today, the tasks of the 3054 military unit of the Central Territorial Command of the Internal Troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine (UCTCR) are very diverse: the protection of public order in Dnepropetrovsk, convoy, extradition and protection of defendants, protection of particularly important public facilities, participation in disaster relief in Ukraine .

Repeatedly, UTCTRK took the first place among the other territorial departments of the Internal Troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine, and the 3054 military unit was recognized as the best in the administration. The military units with honor carry out the tasks assigned to them and adequately multiply the glorious military traditions of their grandfathers and fathers.

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  1. Roll
    Roll 29 June 2013 08: 56 New
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    wassat Everything is according to V. Suvorov, the escort regiment was formed at the beginning of our attack on the Reich that there weren’t enough shoes, so the mountains of boots were on the border, they would have approached them in time to change their shoes in leather boots, the combat and moral training was excellent, the regiment could have convicted captured fascists during our attack and fought beautifully.
    1. omsbon
      omsbon 29 June 2013 15: 44 New
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      Quote: Rolm
      so correctly the mountains of boots lay on the border, would approach on time would change their shoes in leather boots

      You are mistaken, the supply of the convoy regiment went along the NKVD line so that they would not be given boots from army warehouses.


      Quote: Rolm
      The escort regiment was formed at the beginning of our attack on the Reich,

      I suggest that you think first, and then write and, of course, not repeat the nonsense of the traitor Rezun-Suvorov.
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        Roll 29 June 2013 16: 26 New
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        angry And why are you so sure that you wouldn’t give out such a heroic part of the boots, did you work in the army warehouse? You would present the order and give it out, wherever you went, but think about your excellent advice. Let’s think why, tentatively, this regiment was created according to Suvorov by July 6. Who was he going to escort ??? If we are on the defensive or we are scrambling to convoy no one. How many captured Nazis did we take before the Moscow counterattack ??? But after Stalingrad, when we were on the offensive, the number of captured Nazis disappeared by tens of thousands and convoy regiments are needed, and what did this regiment do? Performed heroically the tasks of the regiment in defense. If we were preparing for the defense, instead of this regiment, we would form an anti-tank regiment, rather than a convoy. Think about the facts !!!
        1. Karlsonn
          30 June 2013 00: 04 New
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          Quote: Rolm
          .Let's think about why, or according to Suvorov, this particular regiment was created by 6 July.


          I will tell you a terrible secret:
          - they knew about the beginning of the war, they were preparing for war.
          The Soviet side took all possible measures to postpone the start of the war + intelligence could not give accurate information, the same Sorge handed over to the center, if I am not mistaken, about eight dates of the attack.


          Quote: Rolm
          But after Stalingrad, when we were on the offensive, the number of captured Nazis disappeared by tens of thousands and here we need convoy regiments, but what did this regiment do? Performed heroically the tasks of the regiment in defense.


          Your logic is completely abnormal, which is not surprising for a traitor's fan.

          As an example of careful reading:

          ... In the summer of 1942, Stalingrad turned into a front-line city. Warriors of the regiment carried out security service at the entrances to the city, at the crossings of the Volga, patrolling the streets of Stalingrad, while doing combat training.

          You yourself can understand from the text why the 249 convoy regiment was needed in the summer of 1942 in Stalingrad and what functions did it perform? Or do you need to explain?

          ... and this moment only insignificant parts of the Stalingrad garrison could be involved in repelling the German offensive from the north. The modest forces of the 62 Army continued to conduct intense rearguard battles on the eastern bank of the Don, and the main forces of the front were concentrated on the right flank, the front command did not foresee the possibility of such a rapid breakthrough of the Germans on the left flank.

          Before the regiments of the 10 division there was a difficult and responsible task. It was necessary to prevent the breakthrough of the shock fascist units to the city and, having won the time by active defense, to enable the Red Army troops to regroup and reach new frontiers. The task was complicated by the fact that the 10-division, which constituted the main force of the garrison, was deployed on the south-western approaches to Stalingrad, and the enemy was approaching its northern outskirts.
          ..


          You yourself can understand why the NKVD troops and the 249 regiment in particular were forced to carry out not their direct functions, but directly participate in the defense of the city? Or need to be explained?


          Quote: Rolm
          If we were preparing for the defense, instead of this regiment, we would form an anti-tank regiment, rather than a convoy.


          What is the number of formed anti-tank regiments in Stalingrad?
          True, the Red Army called them differently, which you apparently do not know.
          By the way, the 10 rifle division of the NKVD, which was formed by 23 on August 1942, was formed as follows: the backbones were the border guards of the 41 and 273 infantry regiments, later transferred to other units, the 271th regiment - called up from the Urals, the 272th regiment - Komsomol volunteers from Siberia, the 282-th 269-th and 270-th regiments - almost entirely consisting of residents of Stalingrad. Compare this number (3 000 people) with the number of people who went to the front of the Stalingrad and 20 000 people of the militia, maybe you will understand something.

          Quote: Rolm
          Think about the facts !!!


          I recommend that you follow your advice yourself, and by the way, send me heartfelt greetings to your Russian language teacher. hi
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            Roll 30 June 2013 08: 39 New
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            Quote: Karlsonn
            I will tell you a terrible secret:
            - they knew about the beginning of the war, they were preparing for war.
            The Soviet side took all possible measures to postpone the start of the war + intelligence could not give accurate information, the same Sorge handed over to the center, if I am not mistaken, about eight dates of the attack.

            Hi, do you even think before you write. What should Hitler think when he was informed of the formation of convoy divisions in the USSR? what conclusions to draw? Whose soldiers should these regiments escort? And this you name, all possible measures to postpone the start of the war? On the contrary, provoking the outbreak of war. If the pillbox was built on the way to Minsk is a measure, there is a postponement of the war. The fact that intelligence could not give exact dates of the war is a wonderful work by Abwehr and Hitler’s plan to misinform the USSR. And it was being prepared as what measures were provided for for the units of the Red Army in case of a sudden attack and how the units carried out this plan on June 22.
            1. Old_kapitan
              Old_kapitan 30 June 2013 08: 51 New
              +4
              What should Hitler think when he was informed of the formation of convoy divisions in the USSR?
              The clearest example of the abnormal logic of the resurists. And why did Hitler have to think at all about what was going on in the People’s Commissariat Internal affairs?
              1. Roll
                Roll 30 June 2013 10: 04 New
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                angry
                Quote: Old_Kapitan
                The clearest example of the abnormal logic of the resurists. And why did Hitler even have to think something about what is happening in the People’s Commissariat of Internal Affairs?
                The clearest example of the logic of official history. And why should Hitler even think ??? I MUST answer, he is the highest person in power and he has an analytical department for military intelligence, and this fact is an extra weight on the scales of a preemptive strike.
                1. воронов
                  воронов 30 June 2013 18: 53 New
                  0
                  Quote: Rolm
                  military intelligence analytical department,

                  Do not confuse military intelligence and the NKVD.GRU was part of the NPO system and was directly subordinate to the chief of the general staff of the NPO of the USSR.
                  1. Roll
                    Roll 30 June 2013 19: 07 New
                    -3
                    wassat Hi. I am writing about the Reich Intelligence Analytical Department, which informed Hitler about the advancement of the Barbaros plan, and I agree with your clarification.
            2. Roll
              Roll 30 June 2013 08: 52 New
              -1
              Quote: Karlsonn
              You yourself can understand from the text why the 249th convoy regiment was needed in the summer of 1942 in Stalingrad, and what functions did it perform?
              Why is my logic abnormal? I completely agree with you, why do I need a regiment in 42, but in June 41 I don’t understand, we have that G. Zhukov’s pre-war plans had a retreat to Stalingrad ??? Or the heroic defense of Odessa?
              1. Karlsonn
                30 June 2013 23: 27 New
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                Quote: Rolm
                I completely agree with you why a regiment is needed in 42, but in June 41 I don’t understand, we have that in the pre-war plans of G. Zhukov there was a retreat to Stalingrad ??? Or the heroic defense of Odessa?


                One more time:
                They were preparing for war, that everyone would know the war — mobilization began, and Soviet mobilization began later than the German one.
                What's not clear?
            3. Karlsonn
              30 June 2013 23: 24 New
              0
              Quote: Rolm
              What should Hitler think when he was informed of the formation of convoy divisions in the USSR?


              what should Stalin have thought when he was informed of the deployment of the German units of the field gendarmerie?
        2. воронов
          воронов 30 June 2013 18: 35 New
          +1
          Quote: Rolm
          .Who was he going to escort ???

          The task of the NKVD escort troops included protection of the rear of the troops, the fight against spies and saboteurs in the front-line zone, ensuring, together with the police, public order in front-line settlements, and the protection of military facilities. soldier
          1. Roll
            Roll 30 June 2013 19: 09 New
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            angry And here I agree with you, but what, say, in May 41 forces were not enough for these tasks ???
            1. воронов
              воронов 1 July 2013 22: 52 New
              0
              Quote: Rolm
              but what for these tasks let's say in May 41 was not enough strength ???

              Yes, it’s not enough, because the protection of the rear of the troops, the fight against spies and saboteurs are specific tasks and are more specific to the special units of the NKVD troops, as well as to the special units of the NPO forces.
        3. воронов
          воронов 30 June 2013 18: 48 New
          +1
          Quote: Rolm
          And why are you so sure that you wouldn’t give out such a heroic part of the boots, did you work in the army warehouse? Present a prescription and give out, where not to be gone

          From the army depots of NCOs they would not have been given a pair of footcloths and no instructions would have helped. If this issue, at that time, had not been resolved at the level of the commanders of the military districts of the NCO and the NKVD, I doubt that the commander of the military district would NPO), would do it in order to distribute its military property to another department, would unsubscribe if they let them decide at the level of the people's commissariats, or would send the petitioners much more seriously, there were serious, severe times, otherwise they could the best cases to attribute abuse to him, Whether abuse of power, and sometimes even undermine the actions of the combat capability of the troops, and there to espionage and sabotage are not far from the enemy and get the status of the people, with all the ensuing consequences. angry
          1. Roll
            Roll 30 June 2013 19: 16 New
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            wassat I’m sorry, but you have little idea of ​​the laws of the Quartermaster service, firstly there is such a kind of allowance as temporarily seconded, and then the issue is of course resolved at the appropriate level. Boots are not an anti-tank gun, and therefore it is easily solved.
            1. Karlsonn
              30 June 2013 23: 45 New
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              Quote: Rolm
              .Boots are not an anti-tank gun, and therefore can be solved easily.


              Expand the meaning of re-shoeing millions of soldiers and officers in chrome.
              Did the Soviet government and industry have other problems and tasks? Explain the fact that no one has changed shoes at 1944.
            2. воронов
              воронов 1 July 2013 22: 47 New
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              Quote: Rolm
              I'm sorry, but you have a poor idea of ​​the laws of the Quartermaster service, firstly there is such a kind of allowance as temporarily seconded

              This you have a weak idea of ​​military supply, you never received from NPO (MO) warehouses including clothing allowance for military personnel and employees of the NKVD (Ministry of Internal Affairs, MGB-KGB-FSB) and vice versa. Never military personnel and employees of the NKVD (Ministry of Internal Affairs, MGB-KGB-FSB) were temporarily seconded to NCO units. During the Second World War, border units and rifle divisions of the NKVD at the front, they were operatively subordinate to the commander of the armies and fronts, just as during both Chechen divisions of the Ministry of Justice of the Russian Federation Ministry of Internal Affairs, GUIN of the Ministry of Justice of the Russian Federation, they were part of the OGVS in the SK (the united group of armed forces and assets in the North Caucasus) and subordinated to its commander, but all they are nabzhalis in their departmental channels. soldier
        4. svp67
          svp67 30 June 2013 19: 07 New
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          Quote: Rolm
          Let’s think why, for example, according to Suvorov this particular regiment was created by July 6.

          Read carefully:
          The regiment was formed with the outbreak of war in June 1941 of the year according to the mobilization plan of the NKVD of the USSR consisting of three companies as the 129-th separate convoy battalion of escort troops of the NKVD of the USSR. Location: Odessa, Ukrainian SSR. Soon the battalion’s personnel were brought to the regiment’s staff —1070 people, and on June 23 the unit was renamed the 249 convoy regiment of the NKVD USSR convoy troops
          Not BEFORE, but DURING the war. There is such a thing called MOBILIZATION - that is, (mobilization deployment) (fr. Mobilization, from mobilizer - set in motion) - a set of measures aimed at bringing the armed forces (AF) and state infrastructure to martial law in connection with the emergency in the country or in the world. For its timely implementation, special plans are created in all ministries, so "you don't have to look for a black cat in a dark room, especially since she is not there"
    2. Karlsonn
      29 June 2013 23: 36 New
      +5
      Quote: Rolm
      All according to V. Suvorov


      And I thought the fans of the traitor were already over, it turned out not. laughing

      Quote: Rolm
      a convoy regiment was formed at the beginning of our attack on the Reich that there weren’t enough shoes, so correctly the mountains of boots lay on the border


      Dear friend, learn to carefully read and think on your own, I know it is difficult at first, but nothing can be done - it is necessary.
      As an example of careful reading and thinking:

      The regiment was formed with the outbreak of war in June 1941 according to the mobilization plan of the NKVD of the USSR consisting of three companies ... --- The text says that according to the mobilization plan, a little more than 300 soldiers and officers of the NKVD were gathered.

      ... Soon the number of personnel of the battalion is brought to the staff of the regiment -1070 people --- the text says that seven more companies pulled themselves up to them, this is a little more than 700 people, these are the very 70% who did not have enough shoes. And if you follow the flawed logic of a traitor, then the red ghouls should be shod in the first place. NNNOOO:
      If you carefully read the book of the traitor "Day" M ", you could not help but turn your attention to the 24th chapter of this book called" The Third Strategic Echelon ", which says that the third strategic echelon in the Red Army was formed from prisoners and as one of the evidence is a photograph of captured Red Army soldiers.
      "Proof" that these fighters - prisoners are their extremely emaciated appearance, the photo dates from the beginning of July and supposedly the fighters would not have had time to become so emaciated --- it would be necessary, on occasion, to force the traitor to simply run through the forests without food and water for three weeks and see that you will become with his fat face.
      But I'm not talking about this - these fighters are fully equipped, starting from gas masks and ending with BOOTS!
      Dear friend, explain how it turns out that they didn’t have time to put on the shoes of the PLANNED MOBILIZED fighters, and the convicts brought across the country --- 10 000 kilometers were shod?
      1. Roll
        Roll 30 June 2013 09: 00 New
        -6
        Well, Reason is not a traitor for everyone, betraying the GRU and the Homeland is two big differences, then Rezun was also mistaken in the details, he is not a god but his philosophy is more true, unlike the official one, which depicts the USSR as an innocent victim. As for the third tier, I also do not quite agree with Suvorov, but for example Rokosovsky, a former convict and there were many such commanders drafted into the army, so that Suvorov was quite right, I don’t know about the soldiers, like the convicts fought in soldier posts.
        1. Old_kapitan
          Old_kapitan 30 June 2013 09: 23 New
          +1
          he is not god but his philosophy is more truthful
          That's it - philosophy (read - boltology), and in such cases facts are needed! Apparently, you are not a finished man, read at your leisure, you’ll see the light - http://orujie.mirtesen.ru/blog/43991186881/Pustoy-arsenal-rezunistov
          1. Roll
            Roll 30 June 2013 14: 50 New
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            angry You are wrong, it is philosophy, and not a chatterbox. You constantly need some pieces of paper to prove the truth, and this is understandable, but if you carefully read Suvorov’s day, the old railwayman from Zhmerynka spoke about boots. Suvorov only voiced his version. And the old railwayman is not interested in the person! If you carefully read this article, it directly says that it was boots, not boots with footcloths, which at that time were the main type of shoes. I could easily prove Suvorov right, but it’s beyond my moral boundaries ethical standards. On a site dedicated to heroism, I cannot give you links to photographs of Soviet prisoners of war in July 41, although an abnormally large number of boots are clearly visible there. In September, the ratio is different. May you be right.
            1. Karlsonn
              30 June 2013 23: 34 New
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              Quote: Rolm
              the old railwayman from Zhmerynka spoke about boots.


              Where are the facts? Documentation? Photo? There are thousands of photographs of abandoned Soviet technology and NOT ONE with boots - how so?

              The rank and file of the Red Army did not change their kirsa in chrome before the hostilities in Finland, in Bessarabia, nor before entering Western Belarus and Ukraine, nor before entering the Baltic states.

              If you say something, then the facts in the studio!

              And the theories supposedly told by the grandfather leave to ignoramuses.
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 30 June 2013 23: 53 New
                +1
                Welcome

                Quote: Karlsonn
                The rank and file of the Red Army did not retake their kirsa in chrome

                In chrome, no one ever changed clothes at all. Chrome did not enter the field uniform. They were with a smooth leather sole, a purely parquet version.

                Boots made of soap or tarpaulin were issued to armored forces, the Air Force, paratroopers and mounted artillerymen. And also to all officers.
                Tarpaulin boots or summer boots with windings to all other military branches
                1. Karlsonn
                  1 July 2013 00: 02 New
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                  Lopatov hi

                  Greetings comrade drinks .

                  Quote: Spade
                  In chrome, no one ever changed clothes at all. Chrome did not enter the field uniform. They were with a smooth leather sole, a purely parquet version.



                  Quote: Spade
                  Boots made of soap or tarpaulin were issued to armored forces, the Air Force, paratroopers and mounted artillerymen. And also to all officers.
                  Tarpaulin boots or summer boots with windings to all other military branches


                  I’m aware of a friend, (nothing that I’m on you?) You really burned my hut --- because I’m more than sure that the fan of the traitor didn’t know this, but I wanted to catch him on this .... crying
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 1 July 2013 00: 17 New
                    +2
                    I don’t know about you, but I even feel sorry for them. Powerfully he hung them on the ears of noodles, beyond his nose they see nothing.

                    And about the boots, tarpaulin boots were specially developed in the Red Army. Which clearly indicates the desire of the villain Stalin to invade Egypt. To build a pyramid above the Cheops pyramid and bury yourself there. Needless to say, escort divisions were created to transport Gulag prisoners to this construction.



                    This is how the "Rezun method" works
                    1. Karlsonn
                      1 July 2013 00: 31 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Spade
                      Which clearly indicates the desire of the villain Stalin to invade Egypt. To build a pyramid above the Cheops pyramid and bury yourself there. Needless to say, escort divisions were created to transport Gulag prisoners to this construction.


                      From 1922 to 1941, the NKVD troops fought unceasing battles at the border (we take out the events on Khasan and Khalkhin-Gol) in these clashes; on the Soviet side, several regiments participated in some cases, the memory of the Feat of the NKVD fighters is systematically pouring dirt, they are equated with the SS men, personally, I can not look at it calmly.
                      1. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 1 July 2013 00: 40 New
                        +1
                        Then throw Temko. 1st Division of the NKVD. Sniper Ivan Vezhlivtsev 134 annihilated soldiers and officers of the enemy, and Peter Golichenkov-140. In one year.
                      2. Karlsonn
                        1 July 2013 00: 43 New
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                        Quote: Spade
                        1-I division of the NKVD troops. Sniper Ivan Vezhlivtsev 134 destroyed soldiers and officers of the enemy, and Pyotr Golichenkov- 140. In one year.


                        Since for me, for obvious reasons, the topic of the NKVD is a burning one, I’m supposedly aware of the sniper movement in the NKVD troops. hi
              2. Roll
                Roll 1 July 2013 09: 01 New
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                wassat Kirza was invented only in the year 42, boots with windings were attacked, even in military photographs in this article the soldiers of this regiment are fighting in boots, and what are you kidding me about, what kind of photographs can be taken at the military station in 41, then there wasn’t any paperwork not left.
          2. Lopatov
            Lopatov 30 June 2013 23: 59 New
            +1
            Quote: Rolm
            I cannot give you links to photographs of Soviet prisoners of war in July 41, although an abnormally large number of boots are clearly visible there. In September, the ratio is different.

            It's simple.
            Initially captured from the personnel units, later mobilized. And we had problems with shoes throughout the war. No wonder we have so many American brown boots on Lend-Lease. Which, incidentally, was preferred even to boots. They were unkillable. With large horseshoes in full heel and nose.
            1. Karlsonn
              1 July 2013 00: 12 New
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              Quote: Spade
              It's simple.


              Comrade, you knock on a brain clogged with English propaganda.
          3. mehanik27
            mehanik27 1 July 2013 22: 53 New
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            Quote: Rolm
            I could easily prove Suvorov right, but this is beyond the bounds of my moral and ethical standards.
            said old Romualditch, and with a sigh wiped the sweat from his forehead with an old hardened footcloth ....
      2. deputy ___ watered
        deputy ___ watered 30 June 2013 11: 40 New
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        In your GRU, was not part of the country's security system? And Rezun somewhat whitewashed himself fleeing to the west!
      3. Andrey Skokovsky
        Andrey Skokovsky 30 June 2013 12: 47 New
        +3
        The Motherland and only the Motherland always surrender, and with what words you hide behind it doesn’t matter!
        why in 37g did people go to jail with the words: "I am innocent, they will figure it out," but today our officials stupidly scamper to London and bleat from there? Yes, because our grandfathers knew for sure that they were not guilty, and the current effective managers have a stigma in the gun.

        Rezun was not mistaken in the details, when he lacked a creative interpretation, he simply came up with them to legalize the Western idea of ​​revising the results of the Second World War by accusing him of provoking poor Adolf’s sheep in supposedly protection from evil communists,
        I hope you are aware that this idea was put forward by Goebbels as the reason for the attack on the USSR, only you will never believe Goebbels and you believe the reason. paradox damn
      4. Karlsonn
        30 June 2013 23: 29 New
        +1
        Quote: Rolm
        Well, Reason is not a traitor for everyone; betraying the GRU and the Homeland are two big differences


        It seems like an oath for you, the same empty concept as for a traitor. Regrettably.
        1. Red hornet
          Red hornet 1 July 2013 00: 11 New
          +1
          Quote: Karlsonn
          Quote: Rolm
          Well, Reason is not a traitor for everyone; betraying the GRU and the Homeland are two big differences


          It seems like an oath for you, the same empty concept as for a traitor. Regrettably.


          "... If you rely on the support of a foreign power, you can no longer be a patriot, but become an agent sooner or later." - L.P. Beria.
          1. Karlsonn
            1 July 2013 00: 34 New
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            Quote: Red Hornet
            "... If you rely on the support of a foreign power, you can no longer be a patriot, but become an agent sooner or later." - L.P. Beria.


            A man who believes in a traitor who wrote a number of books dictated by the British propaganda industry, the purpose of these books is to accuse the USSR of unleashing World War II — for me personally, I am an enemy of the people and a traitor to the Motherland.
            1. Roll
              Roll 1 July 2013 09: 09 New
              -1
              angry The topic of betrayal is too complex and multifaceted to talk about it in black and white, is Bakatin a traitor or not? I consider a traitor, although not legally. He was a minister, he didn’t run away, he acted within the framework of his authority, and nevertheless handed over to the amers our wiretaps at their embassy, ​​the damage done to them more than the damage to hundreds of Rezuns. but Rezun is a traitor, but no bakatin.
  2. Andrey Skokovsky
    Andrey Skokovsky 30 June 2013 12: 26 New
    +1
    I won’t comment on the lies of this traitor, it’s just that the lies about mountains of boots, the channel only at the beginning of the 90’s, and in recent editions there is not even a hint of delirium with boots

    I advise you to read Nikolai Starikov, it is read very easily and clearly, I think after that you will put the cutter on kindling, where he belongs
  • Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 29 June 2013 09: 47 New
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    10 NKVD division is the pride of the defense of Stalingrad. You will be in Volgograd, come by light rail to the Pionerskaya station, and then across the bridge to Chekistov Square. There is a monument to the soldiers of this division. In principle, they and the factory militia kept Stalingrad at a time when everything was hanging by a thread.
  • MAG
    MAG 29 June 2013 11: 54 New
    +8
    From the history of German saboteurs threw into the Komi Republic and they tried to destroy the railway road and it was repaired by convicts and there were 4 convoy escort men, they destroyed the convicts with crowbars and sledgehammers. Another group was thrown into the Komi Permian Autonomous Okrug in the winter. 3 others survived, the others froze and died of starvation.
    1. nerd.su
      nerd.su 29 June 2013 16: 04 New
      +2
      Quote: MAG
      Another group was thrown into the Komi-Perm Autonomous Okrug in winter

      On x ... why !? belay
      1. MAG
        MAG 29 June 2013 17: 05 New
        0
        What do you mean why? for uprisings of sabotage, she and the sabotage group
        1. nerd.su
          nerd.su 29 June 2013 17: 38 New
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          Quote: MAG
          What do you mean why? for uprisings of sabotage, she and the sabotage group

          In the Komi-Permyak district, only a mad person can abandon a group for sabotage. Or, as an option, saboteurs, or rather the pilots who delivered them, got lost.
          1. MAG
            MAG 29 June 2013 17: 41 New
            0
            I agree)) but the fact is the fact
          2. Andrey Skokovsky
            Andrey Skokovsky 30 June 2013 12: 57 New
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            I doubt that the Germans got lost, do not underestimate their professionalism as a military,
            they could send a group for slaughter or the group was one of traitors, they don’t mind at all - nobody canceled the Ost plan,
            Well, again, the elements of madness at the top of the Reich were also .......
            1. nerd.su
              nerd.su 30 June 2013 23: 47 New
              0
              Quote: Andrey Skokovsky
              I doubt that the Germans got lost

              Don `t doubt.

              Quote: Andrey Skokovsky
              do not underestimate their professionalism as a military

              That's why do not hesitate. Everything else is from the evil one. Got lost.
              1. Petrovich
                Petrovich 1 July 2013 10: 47 New
                0
                Here you are wrong. . The logic of our opponent is clear. The situation for the summer of 1943 is understandable. The task of the Pechora landing of the Germans: to raise a revolt z / c, cut the highway, deprive of coal. But it didn’t work out. Something like this.
    2. Petrovich
      Petrovich 1 July 2013 10: 22 New
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      Stop stop. A link to the studio. And it turns out a muddy story - whether he stole, the roofing felts were stolen from him. For the entire war in Komi there was only one throw, and it ended not so badly for saboteurs. True radio games did not work ... but that's another story.
  • deputy ___ watered
    deputy ___ watered 29 June 2013 16: 13 New
    +4
    Everyone fought in the Second World War.
    In particular, parts of the NKVD (I mean at the forefront).
    In the defense of Stalingrad, for example, units of the internal troops themselves also exhibited high military prowess and military prowess: the 10th Regiment, the 91th Regiment for the Protection of Railways, the 178th Regiment for the Protection of Industrial Enterprises, the 249th Regiment, which had previously participated in the defense Odessa, 73-th armored train, distinguished himself in battles near Moscow.
    During the Battle of Kursk, units and formations formed from the personnel of internal troops took part in the Red Army. In October 1942, the State Defense Committee instructed the People’s Commissariat of Internal Affairs to form a Separate Army of the NKVD.
    By the end of January 1943, 5 divisions were formed: the Ural, Siberian, Central Asian, Trans-Baikal, Far Eastern and some individual units. The first two divisions were formed from the personnel of the internal troops, the basis of the other three consisted of soldiers and commanders of the border troops. The army also included the 10-I order of Lenin's rifle division of internal troops, distinguished themselves in the Battle of Stalingrad and reformed in Chelyabinsk. She was called Stalingrad.
    1. Karlsonn
      30 June 2013 00: 14 New
      +1
      Quote: deputy ___ watered
      249-th convoy regiment, previously participated in the defense of Odessa


      Prior to the defense of Stalingrad, the 249 convoy regiment participated not only in the defense of Odessa, but also in the defense of Sevastopol and Crimea.
      1. deputy ___ watered
        deputy ___ watered 30 June 2013 00: 31 New
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        Thanks did not know!
        1. Karlsonn
          30 June 2013 00: 54 New
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          Quote: deputy ___ watered
          Thanks did not know!


          how so comrade crying

          quote from the article:

          ... On the ships of the Black Sea Fleet they were evacuated to Sevastopol. And they fell out of the fire and into the fire. From archival documents it is known that the 3 I convoy company of the regiment under the command of Art. Lieutenant Kurinenko and Jr. since October 30, political instructor Korneev takes part in battles for the Crimea. ... Not many in the Red Army there are military units that took part in the defense of three cities, which after the war became hero cities!
  • Alew
    Alew 29 June 2013 16: 37 New
    +7
    It’s not the first year that you’ve only heard from the fifth column - the barrage of the NKVD convoy. these words became abusive for them. Meanwhile, they also took part in the battles for their country, were good soldiers and were rightfully awarded orders and medals and certainly loved their homeland. Well, there were those who did not fight the camp stages. but do not smear them all with one color
    1. Karlsonn
      30 June 2013 00: 12 New
      +6
      Quote: ALEW
      Well, there were those who did not fight the camp stages.


      This is not shameful, people served. As we see from the article, the NKVD CONFERENCE TROOPS also contributed to the Victory, as far as the parts of the camp guards are concerned, even their uniform was different. But this does not make them something shameful, such units and subunits exist in any state.
      1. воронов
        воронов 30 June 2013 22: 09 New
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        Quote: Karlsonn
        But this does not make them something shameful, such units and subunits exist in any state.

        Glory to all the Internal Troops of the NKVD-MVD of the USSR, the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation, regardless of the type of their activity !!! All of them at different times had to fight, thanks to VOVANAM (VV MVD RF) who coolly helped us out to the UK !!! soldier
        1. Karlsonn
          30 June 2013 23: 38 New
          +1
          Quote: voronov
          , thanks VOVANAM (VV MVD RF) who coolly helped us out to the UK !!!


          I read quite a few responses about the actions of the "vovans" in the "brilliant green" soldier .
    2. Andrey Skokovsky
      Andrey Skokovsky 30 June 2013 13: 02 New
      +1
      you don’t understand that the 5 column does not have the goal of preserving the memory of the war or honoring the feat of the people in this war,
      their goal is just the opposite, so you will never wait for adequacy from them
    3. воронов
      воронов 30 June 2013 21: 40 New
      0
      Quote: ALEW
      Zagrad detachments of the NKVD convoy.

      The overlying detachments in the overwhelming majority were formed from ordinary rifle units of the NPO forces, and in very rare cases, the NKVD troops were involved for this purpose. And they did not shoot the retreating detachments, but this is another topic.
    4. воронов
      воронов 30 June 2013 21: 57 New
      +1
      Quote: ALEW
      Well, there were those who did not fight the camp stages.

      Yes, many did not fight and the camps needed to be guarded, and the convoy stages, both military and strategic objects far from the front line, to be guarded inside the country, this applies to the NKVD troops. A large group of Red Army forces was held in the Far East, Central Asia, and Transcaucasia , in the end, it was necessary to serve in military commissariats, to ensure conscription in the Red Army and to be sent to the front. By the way, to the NKVD escort and guard troops during the Second World War, as a rule, soldiers and officers were sent for further service injured by military doctors who are limited in military service. The same major Gavrilov, one of the organizers of the defense of the Brest Fortress, after captivity and the hospital was sent for further service to the NKVD, the head of the prisoner of war camp, later he was awarded the title Hero of the Soviet Union. during the Second World War, they performed their military duty with dignity, no matter where and in what positions they fought and served. soldier
      1. Karlsonn
        30 June 2013 23: 41 New
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        Quote: voronov
        , this applies to the NKVD troops. A large group of troops of the Red Army NPO held in the Far East


        My grandfather, a NKVD personnel officer, was punished for numerous reports on his transfer to the army, served in the Far East, and participated in the defeat of the Kwantung group.
  • lars
    lars 29 June 2013 16: 59 New
    +3
    Thank you for the article! Glory to fighters and commanders-security officers !!!
  • deman73
    deman73 29 June 2013 17: 45 New
    +1
    Eternal memory and glory to the heroes !!!!
  • Roll
    Roll 30 June 2013 09: 04 New
    0
    Quote: Karlsonn
    Dear friend, explain how it turns out that they didn’t have time to put on the shoes of the PLANNED MOBILIZED fighters, and the convicts brought across the country --- 10 000 kilometers were shod?
    Leather boots were supposed to be mobilized, if you look at the photograph you will see them there, and the rest of the tarp, which was a lot in any warehouses.
    1. Karlsonn
      30 June 2013 23: 37 New
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      Quote: Rolm
      Leather boots were supposed to be mobile, if you look at the photo you will see them there


      show me a picture where at least a platoon is dressed in chrome.
      FOR UNKNOWLEDGE HISTORY OF Native ASPEN --- in the Red Army there were only tarpaulin and chrome boots, there were no others !!!
      Only curators from England could write about leather boots.
  • gych
    gych 30 June 2013 11: 52 New
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    eternal memory and glory to the heroes! people’s logic I @ ueyu if the guys served in the NKVD, it’s all rubbish, cowards? By the way, they proved that they were fighters, good fighters. And that the camps were guarded, it was necessary so, times were different we swami to judge them, let the veterans of those years say their word. article class, more of these (about forgotten heroes)
    1. Karlsonn
      30 June 2013 23: 42 New
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      Quote: gych
      .Article class, more of these (about forgotten heroes)


      Thanks for your kind words. hi
      I will try to continue.
  • Red hornet
    Red hornet 1 July 2013 00: 03 New
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    Among other things, the NKVD troops and anti-tank ditches were digging:

    "In the USSR, during the war, 10 sapper armies were formed (at different periods), next to which were commanded by L.IL Beria's employees: M.M. Tsarevsky (2nd Sapper Army), Ya.D. Rapoport (3rd Sapper Army ), G.D. Afanasyev and S.N. Kruglov (4th Sapper Army), A.N. Komarovsky (5th Sapper Army), LE Vlodzimirsky and A.A. Andreev (9th Sapper Army) , M.M. Maltsev (10th Sapper Army), S.P. Grechkin.For example, the 5th Sapper Army of A.N. Komarovsky began construction of the Stalingrad and Don defensive lines already in October 1941, after leaving on October 25 Kharkov, and by mid-January 1942 finished it. The construction employed 200 thousand people, 500 cars and 500 tractors. "(C)
    1. Karlsonn
      1 July 2013 00: 15 New
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      Quote: Red Hornet
      Among other things, the NKVD troops and anti-tank ditches were digging:


      Comrade do not tear patterns to people who do not know the history of their native country, for them all the NKVD troops either guarded the camps or stood in detachments.

      The fact that Meresyev began his service as a nkvdist pilot for them was a discovery.
      1. Red hornet
        Red hornet 1 July 2013 00: 49 New
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        Quote: Karlsonn
        Comrade do not tear templates for people who do not know the history of their native country


        That's right! laughing
        For such people it will be a "discovery" even that the State Border in 41 was guarded by the Border Troops of the NKVD - at one forum I met an extremely surprised Mr.: "- What, they say, did the NKVD officers in the Brest Fortress?"

        And if so about the OMSBON (Separate Motorized Rifle Brigade for Special Purpose) of the NKVD of the USSR to tell?

        The famous athletes of that time fought in this elite sabotage and reconnaissance unit: boxers Nikolai Korolyov and Sergey Shcherbakov, skater Anatoly Kapchinsky, weightlifter Nikolay Shatov, rower Alexander Dolgushin, discus throwers Leonid Mitropolsky and Ali Isaev, cyclist Viktor Zaipold, gymnast Sergey Korzhu gymnast Sergey Kulakov, wrestler Grigory Pylnov, skier Lyubov Kulakova, a group of Dynamo Minsk footballers, runners-styers brothers Znamensky? ...

        It’s not just that a template break will happen, but a natural explosion of the brain, with a spread in a radius of ten meters of a substance remotely resembling a brain! laughing
        1. Karlsonn
          1 July 2013 01: 01 New
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          Quote: Red Hornet
          For such people it will be a "discovery" even that the State Border in 41 was guarded by the Border Troops of the NKVD


          For such people, it’s generally a discovery that border guards are also the NKVD, intelligence officers are also the NKVD, sabotage groups are also the NKVD.

          here there is not much poppy review about the activities of soldiers and officers of the NKVD during the war. hi

  • Geronimo73
    Geronimo73 April 19 2017 16: 26 New
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    most of the couch commentators here need to be wiped off with dirty footcloths - the escort troops in 1941 did exactly what they did before the war and after the war until about the year 1993. and the regiment deployed to mobilize is not a cunning plan, but mobilization measures. from the army depots, not a single commander of the NKVD would have received anything and never without agreement at the top between the departments. personally, after reading this material, no comments were born to me - everything was written succinctly, in the case. the feat of the regiment is only respected, as is its post-war fate. and only such f *** ing comments led to the writing of the letters above.