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Are there any prospects for Ukrainian air defense systems?

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Are there any prospects for Ukrainian air defense systems?



In one of the spring issues of the Ukrainian specialized publication Defense Express, an article appeared titled “Shield Repair”. Its author - Vladimir Tkach - gives examples of sample anti-aircraft missile systems, which are in service with the Ukrainian Army, and also gives certain characteristics of their condition and prospects. In particular, the article deals with the fact that Ukraine’s army has about 60 divisions of anti-aircraft missiles, however this year the age of the youngest kit will be two decades, while the oldest will be almost forty years old.

At the same time, it should be noted that each of these complexes has a warranty period of operation. So, for C-300, it is defined in 25 years (most of the complexes were produced in late-80 - early 90-s). Spare parts for them have long been discontinued, and it is also no longer possible to remove the missing parts from samples stored.

Repair of C-300 complexes, which began as early as 2004, is carried out by Ukroboronservis. Here the Center of military equipment and weapons was specially created. And according to the results of the joint work of the Ukrainian and Russian commissions, it was decided that the technological, technical and documentary bases of the enterprise are quite suitable for carrying out repair work on the components of the C-300 complex and increasing their operational life. In addition, this company has all the necessary documentary base for the repair work of Buk-M1 anti-aircraft missile systems. In addition, at the plant in the autumn of 2012, the acceptance tests of the C-300PT complex passed. According to those who were present at the testimony of military officials, the repair work was carried out at a fairly high professional level and, not least, completed on time. According to their statements, after repair, these complexes meet all the requirements of the present time. Thus, as of the year 2013, the X-NUMX divisions of the C-8PS complex have already been repaired, the life of which has been extended by five thousand hours or five years.

The timeliness and the need for repair work is obvious, because almost all the complexes that are in service with the Ukrainian army have exhausted their operational resources identified by the manufacturer.

Currently, the air forces of the Ukrainian army are armed with such systems and systems as “Buk-М1”, СРК С-200В, ЗРК С-300ПС, ЗРС-300В1. Earlier in service were also C-125 complexes, however they were removed a few years ago. The most modern of them is considered to be C-200 and C-300 complexes. All modifications of the C-300 complex, which are in the troops, according to the technical documentation, can hit aerial targets that fly at a height of about 75 kilometers. C-200 complexes have a range of about 150-240 kilometers. C-300 designed for the defense of industrial and administrative facilities, headquarters, stationary command posts and military bases from tactical and strategic air strikes, as well as ballistic and cruise missiles. C-200 is designed to conduct the defense of the most important industrial, administrative and military facilities against all possible types of air attack weapons. At the moment, these complexes are quite suitable for ensuring the destruction of promising and modern aircraft and unmanned and manned aircraft. But the problem is that the repair work of these complexes should be carried out every ten years, and the Ukrainian armed forces due to the constant lack of funding of this luxury can not afford. From here and so sad results: of all the complexes that are currently on duty, only about 40 percent are fully combat-ready.

In addition, there is another nuance: after a tragedy occurred several years ago during one of the military exercises in the Crimea, during which Ukrainian anti-air forces shot down a Russian Tu-154 plane over the Black Sea’s waters, 200 and C-300 were banned on Ukrainian territory. In turn, this led to another serious problem: every year the number of servicemen who actually fired from these complexes decreases at a catastrophic rate.

In 2003, the ban on the use of Ukrainian landfills was lifted, but still not allowed to shoot C-200 (and these complexes have the greatest range). Of course, Ukraine has certain agreements with Russia on the possibility of using Russian military test sites for firing, but in this way it is simply impossible to prepare all anti-aircraft forces. Thus, it is possible to say that the C-200 complexes have only conditional combat readiness, and in case of anything, it is necessary to hope only on C-300.

From this it follows that the repair of C-300 complexes for the Ukrainian military is a very serious and urgent issue. It should be borne in mind that Russia, which is a manufacturer of this complex, considers it obsolete. Therefore, in the near future, it intends to remove C-300 from production and to deal with the release of C-400 only. The last C-300 was released, we recall, back in 1994 for export, but at present there are no export orders. Ukraine also does not have the opportunity to engage in independent repair of complexes, since it does not have the appropriate components.

Thus, a situation may soon arise when all the plans of the Ukrainian army to return to the system of anti-aircraft missiles will end. Trying to solve the problems that had arisen, several years ago, the General Staff of Ukraine started talking about returning the Pechora C-125 complex, which had been adopted by the Soviet forces back in the 1961 year. But the question arises: where to get them, if almost immediately after they were removed from service, most were sold abroad? ..

At the same time, the military department says that the C-125 complexes remained approximately in the 20 divisions, and by the year 2015, the order of the 9-10 modernized complexes can be restored. During the modernization, the Ukrainian defense enterprises developed a modernized UNK-2D control cabin, installed a modern receiving and transmitting device and a launcher, and replaced control systems installed back in Soviet times. Thus, the UNK-125D command post, the 2P2-5D launchers, the UNV-73D antenna post and the technical support equipment are part of the upgraded C-2-2-DMS complex. Interference immunity was increased, target detection range increased by 20 percent. The only thing that the upgrade has not touched is the 5B27 and 5B25 SAMs. In addition, as part of the modernization, the level of reliability, survivability, mobility of the complex, the stability of the radar station to interference were increased, and the resource of the complex increased by 15 years.

As a result, tests of the modernized complex were carried out at the “Chauda” test site, which, according to the developers, were very successful. In various modes, six missile launches were made. It was found that the detection range of air targets at an altitude of about 7 kilometers, is 100 kilometers. I wonder if the C-125-2D complexes will get into service with the Ukrainian troops, more precisely, whether the state has enough money to buy these samples.

It should also be noted that at the end of spring 2012, the “Program for restoring the combat capability of anti-aircraft forces of the Air Forces of Ukraine to 2017 of the year” was approved, according to which it is planned to carry out repair work on four C-300PS anti-aircraft missile systems and one Buk-M1 complex . The implementation of the program is entrusted to the enterprise "Ukroboronservis."

It is assumed that C-300PT, C-200B and C-300В1 complexes will be decommissioned, and the total number of divisions will be reduced to 40, of which one-third will be Buk-M1 complexes, and two-thirds will be C-300 SAMs. However, it is necessary to understand that to infinity, it is impossible to modernize any model of military equipment and armaments, especially if we are talking about weapons that were created more than half a century ago. Therefore, the military should think about the purchase of new weapons and, therefore, look for funds for this. Ukraine at the moment there are two of the most realistic options to upgrade their missile systems - either to start production of their own, or to buy them abroad. Earlier, many said that the Ukrainians intend to create a domestic multifunctional missile system Sapsan, but this project was closed despite recent statements by the military department that it is planned to allocate more than 2020 billion hryvnia to 6,5 year. Therefore, a more realistic prospect for Ukraine remains the purchase of anti-aircraft missile systems in Russia. Earlier, we recall, the Russians have already voiced the conditions on which they agree to supply Ukrainians with the C-300 PMU-2 Favorit complexes. However, since C-300 was discontinued, it would be much more appropriate to talk about the Triumph C-400 procurement, but only if the two governments could find an acceptable political format for solving their problems. However, given the current uncertainty of the Ukrainian foreign policy, it is difficult to imagine such a level of mutual understanding, therefore, unfortunately, the Ukrainian military-political leadership can only strive to find this very mutual understanding ...

Materials used:
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/550589.html
http://odnarodyna.com.ua/node/10513
http://hvylya.org/analytics/tech/15588-kak-utolit-raketnyj-golod-ukrainskih-pvo.html
http://www.sovr.krivbassinfo.com/cgi-bin/sovr.pl?lang=ru&action=showstat&sndir=2011_11&razd=8&stat=4
http://www.otechestvo.org.ua/main/201011/1124.htm
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  1. mark1
    mark1 3 July 2013 08: 24 New
    22
    "Are there any prospects for Ukrainian air defense systems?"
    Are there any Ukrainian air defense systems? Now, when they appear, then prospects will appear. Repair is not development, development is the availability and production of new developments.
    1. Nicholas C.
      Nicholas C. 3 July 2013 09: 10 New
      15
      The meaning of the article is a more accurate formulation: are there any prospects for the Ukrainian air defense forces. Well, with the meager Ukrainian budget, the problem of Trishkin’s caftan, pull out your nose - the tail will bog down. The economy must be raised. And then in the Ukrainian SSR the economy was one of the largest in Europe, and now it is several times smaller than even the Polish one. And with the current state of affairs, it may become less Romanian.
      1. Refund_SSSR
        Refund_SSSR 3 July 2013 09: 33 New
        +2
        Ukrainian air defense? You can start writing an obituary with Ukrainian air defense, or make full-scale purchases, or look for the future among one of the blocks.
        1. Geisenberg
          Geisenberg 3 July 2013 11: 06 New
          +2
          Quote: We refund_SSSR
          Ukrainian air defense? You can start writing an obituary with Ukrainian air defense, or make full-scale purchases, or look for the future among one of the blocks.


          There, you can immediately write the whole army nekrolo: Rest after cynically homosexual wear and tear ...
          1. huginn
            huginn 3 July 2013 12: 02 New
            +5
            Self-rape! They themselves cut the newest Tu-160s, they themselves handed over Buki to Georgia, they themselves are reducing the army to an indecent number for such a large country!
            1. Corneli
              Corneli 3 July 2013 19: 14 New
              +8
              Quote: huginn
              They cut the latest Tu-160

              Yeah, they cut, not the latest truth, and under a joint agreement with Russia and the United States (for Amer’s loot). Russia, instead of picking up these “new” Tu, was cutting its own ...
              Quote: huginn
              Buki passed to Georgia

              Yushchenko was a rare freak and this "sale", except for him, doesn’t cause enthusiasm for anyone (all the more so, he didn’t even sell them at a standard price, he just gave the godfather Sake criminally)
              Quote: huginn
              they themselves are reducing the army to an indecent figure for such a large country!

              At the moment, the Ukrainian army is larger than the armies of Italy, Spain, Poland and is equal to the German army in numbers. In Europe, the Ukrainian only army of France and England. And this despite the fact that Ukraine, in contrast to the above countries, is not fighting anywhere and is not going to. But Ukraine’s GDP, defense spending, and even the population (except Poland) are lower. So what for us the army as in the DPRK? The disgusting position of our army, not least of all, is due to its magnitude. All this equipment (designed for 700 thousand people) needs to be stored, repaired, serviced ... that eats money, of which there are so few!
              1. old man54
                old man54 3 July 2013 19: 41 New
                +3
                Quote: Corneli
                At the moment, the Ukrainian army is larger than the armies of Italy, Spain, Poland and is equal to the German army in numbers. In Europe, the Ukrainian only army of France and England.

                I certainly wildly apologize, as they say in your place in Odessa, but judging by your post, the army of today's Russia is probably even smaller, since you didn’t even include geyropes for comparison with other countries ?? I did not understand something :))
                1. Corneli
                  Corneli 3 July 2013 20: 03 New
                  +3
                  Quote: old man54
                  I certainly wildly apologize, as they say in your place in Odessa, but judging by your post, the army of today's Russia is probably even smaller, since you didn’t even include geyropes for comparison with other countries ?? I did not understand something :))

                  I did not include it, because the Russian army is transcontinental (the territory of Asia in Russia is much larger than the European). In addition, I compared countries comparable to Ukraine (both in terms of area and population). If it becomes easier for you, I can include Belarus) its army is 48 tons.
                  1. sir.jonn
                    sir.jonn 4 August 2013 21: 37 New
                    0
                    Ukraine needs an alliance with Russia with a common base for ensuring security against threats that unfortunately grow like a snowball.
            2. smprofi
              smprofi 3 July 2013 19: 57 New
              -6
              Quote: huginn
              They themselves cut the latest Tu-160, they themselves passed

              Yes! and they themselves dismantled the economy of the Strategic Missile Forces division near Pervomaisk and exported everything to Russia. but how then they sang it! "Ukrainian brothers! Give me the rackets with vigorous warheads! We’re friends, brothers forever and ever! Yes, we’ll open an umbrella over you forever!" Well, I’ll stick that crap ...

              by the way ... you can poke each other a lot. but it will not lead to anything good.
              the main thing to remember: politicians are one thing, and nations are something else.
              1. Refund_SSSR
                Refund_SSSR 4 July 2013 04: 33 New
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                Quote: smprofi
                we are friends, bros forever and ever! Yes, we’ll open an umbrella over you forever! "Well, I’ll leak that crap ...

                Well, you yourself refuse. NATO is very NATO to you
        2. huginn
          huginn 3 July 2013 11: 58 New
          +1
          A passenger plane was shot down! So Ukrainian air defense is not dead, it’s too early to write an obituary, rather a zombie.
          1. smprofi
            smprofi 3 July 2013 20: 02 New
            0
            Quote: huginn
            A passenger plane was shot down!

            but there’s nothing to rejoice about. at one time there was Emba, an all-union missile test site. and there they shot from all that was needed. and such stupidity could not happen there. Emba is now divided between Russia and Kazakhstan. and everyone wants denyuzhki for shooting.
          2. Andrey77
            Andrey77 4 July 2013 13: 12 New
            0
            I can shoot down a passenger plane with the Igloo, sowing 500 m from the GDP. AND? Ukrainian air defense is just dead, once it was not able to identify the civilian target from the target missile.
          3. AVV
            AVV 21 July 2013 14: 51 New
            0
            Yes, this is not a plus of Ukrainian air defense, but a big minus when exercises are conducted in the area of ​​heavy airlines !!! They could have shot down an aircraft from Ukraine with the same success !!! This is the result of the reliability of air defense systems and the irresponsibility of the military !!!
        3. NickitaDembelnulsa
          NickitaDembelnulsa 3 July 2013 15: 54 New
          +1
          Yes, what purchases without trained personnel for these air defense systems?
    2. viktorR
      viktorR 3 July 2013 11: 18 New
      +6

      All modifications of the S-300 complex, which are in the troops, according to technical documentation, can hit air targets that fly at an altitude of about 75 kilometers. S-200 complexes have a range of destruction of the order of 150-240 kilometers

      Someone in the forest, some for firewood smile . Ukrainian S-300s shoot only up but at 75km, and S-200 only in the distance and as much as 240 smile

      And in general, when I hear the phrase “Ukrainian air defense”, I immediately remember the passenger plane that did not reach Athens, and this face that said on the box: “you cannot do this but you can’t do this”. And immediately something so embarrassing and sad (((
      1. huginn
        huginn 3 July 2013 12: 07 New
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        s-200-depth 400 km, altitude 40 km. So the system is not weak. For comparison, the C 300 has a depth of 75 km (Soviet missiles, in Russia from 1993 to 150), a height of 75 km.
        1. postman
          postman 4 July 2013 04: 13 New
          +1
          Quote: huginn
          s-200-depth 400 km, altitude 40 km.


          Quote: huginn
          With 300, a depth of 75 km (Soviet missiles, in Russia from 1993 to 150), a height of 75 km.

          do not write nonsense if you do not petrify them
      2. huginn
        huginn 3 July 2013 12: 12 New
        0
        The 5V28M rocket of the S-200V Vega-300 missile complex was a little mistaken. By the way, it was from 200 that she shot down Tu 154.
      3. old man54
        old man54 3 July 2013 15: 31 New
        +4
        Quote: viktorR
        And in general, when I hear the phrase Ukrainian Air Defense, I immediately remember a passenger plane that did not reach Athens,

        not to Athens, but to Novosibirsk! :( There 80% of the dead were Russians (Russians)
      4. NickitaDembelnulsa
        NickitaDembelnulsa 3 July 2013 17: 08 New
        +2
        The S-200 is not so operational, and does not have a full-range firing of targets - this is its main drawback. Naturally, her range is more than 5V55P, but the missile itself is larger in size, and it also has rocket boosters.
        1. Alexander D.
          Alexander D. 3 July 2013 19: 39 New
          +2
          Quote: NickitaDembelnulsa
          The S-200 is not so operational, and does not have a full-range firing of targets - this is its main drawback. Naturally, her range is more than 5V55P, but the missile itself is larger in size, and it also has rocket boosters.

          Well, here you should consider the capabilities of Ukrainian design bureaus in terms of modernization. And KB Luch likes to work on the modernization of air-to-air, air-to-air missiles, and it already produces its developments in series.

      5. Corneli
        Corneli 3 July 2013 19: 28 New
        +5
        Quote: viktorR
        and s-200 only into the distance and as much as 240 smile
        And in general, when I hear the phrase “Ukrainian air defense”, I immediately remember the passenger plane that did not reach Athens, and this face that said on the box: “you cannot do this but you can’t do this”.

        He flew along the route Tel Aviv - Novosibirsk (what are Athens?).
        The "passport" range of target destruction by the S-200V complex is 255 km, and the technical range of the missile flight is 5V28 / 5V28M of the order of 300 km. They fired from the S-200, at a target for a distance of 60 km, but according to one version, the operator on the nerves "lit up" a living plane, not a target (the plane was at a distance of 300 km). Hence the initial cries about the impossibility of a plane crash ... since the rocket supposedly does not fly so far. Further infa slipped that the missile was not standard at all, but a new modification, of increased range (up to 400 km) ...
        1. smprofi
          smprofi 3 July 2013 20: 08 New
          +2
          Quote: Corneli
          initial cries of impossibility

          shouted politicians. the military, in particular, the Minister of Defense - understood immediately. therefore Kuzmuk, the then Minister of Defense, immediately resigned. only he was ordered to remain silent and did not accept the resignation.
          and then, politicians, under the pressure of evidence, did acknowledge.
          Quote: Corneli
          operator on the nerves "lit up" a living plane, not a target

          nerves / not nerves, most likely a lack of basic experience. you’ll sit “a little” really behind the indicator - then you will distinguish the passenger from the fighter. and even more so from a rocket simulating a target
          1. Akim
            Akim 3 July 2013 20: 20 New
            0
            Quote: smprofi
            most likely a lack of elementary experience. you’ll sit “a little” really behind the indicator - then you will distinguish the passenger from the fighter. and even more so from a rocket simulating a target

            Just a banal fright. When the generals are standing over your head, you’ll not create anything else.
            1. smprofi
              smprofi 3 July 2013 21: 21 New
              +2
              Quote: Akim
              When the generals are above your head

              my dad gave me 28 years on combat duty, RTV. then the Far East, then the South East Water, i.e. not somewhere, but real combat duty with a "regular" violation of airspace. so, the operators were trained so that they nevermind who was behind him: just their calculation commander or the inspector general from Moscow. just going "work".
              however, there was one incident when the political general of the group began to give TsU, then Dad first asked him from the control room, and then he sent ... (you know where) so that he wouldn’t go where he should and fool the soldier.
              1. Akim
                Akim 3 July 2013 21: 44 New
                +2
                Quote: smprofi
                my dad gave me 28 years on combat duty, RTV. then the Far East, then the South East Water, i.e. not anywhere

                Well, you compared. SA and its fragment in the form of APU. Where rocket launches of such a range were akin to a manned space flight. This is a rare phenomenon and the psychological pressure of generals from the General Staff is felt. Moreover, Kuzmuk then had to watch. There was not enough experience, so an analogy was obtained as with Point-U. I remember this nonsense about microcracks. In the mid-90s, we got institutes for cars in absentia in absentia, not just shots. This was clearly not enough for the cadet.
    3. dominatus
      dominatus 3 July 2013 23: 01 New
      0
      Quote: mark1
      Repair is not development, development is the availability and production of new developments


      In Ukraine, 3 complexes are being developed. Complexes "Peregrine Falcon", its export version is "Thunder" and the third option, the developer of which is kept secret.
      If the implementation of the Sapsan project directly depends on the financing of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, then the Thunder project is implemented with the money of a foreign customer (the name of the customer was not disclosed).
      That's what the gene said about the state of the projects. Designer of the State Design Bureau "South" Alexander Degtyarev:
      “At present, the rocket is being created in the interests of a foreign customer. And due to the completion of development work on the Thunder project (the so-called export version), the Sapsan will also advance. For foreign countries, a range of up to 280 km is provided, while the Ukrainian version will have touched the modernization of up to 500 km. I believe that the Thunder will appear before the Sapsan, both missiles should be no worse than the Russian Iskander in terms of characteristics.

      In yesterday’s interview with Kommersant-Ukraine, Minister of Defense of Ukraine Pavel Lebedev said that in addition to the Thunder and Sapsan projects, another enterprise created an effective alternative to the first two air defense systems in the form of a new missile system.
      According to him, another enterprise of the defense complex created a missile, which turned out to be more effective in some respects, and its production in Ukraine has broader prospects in economic terms.
      "It provides for a large load of domestic enterprises, as well as the sale of products to the markets of third countries. It is planned that we will get a prototype this year, and its production will begin in 2014-2015," the minister added.

      As you can see, there are 3 options - “Thunder”, “Sapsan” and the third (Lebedev did not name the project and developer). the question is only in time and in which particular air defense system will be adopted.
      The previously raised issues of modernizing existing air defense systems or the acquisition of Russian air defense systems are finally closed and are no longer being considered.
      1. Corneli
        Corneli 3 July 2013 23: 46 New
        +2
        Quote: dominatus
        In Ukraine, 3 complexes are being developed. Complexes "Peregrine Falcon", its export version is "Thunder" and the third option, the developer of which is kept secret.

        Ukraine closed the Sapsan missile system project
        http://topwar.ru/30049-ukraina-zakryla-proekt-raketnogo-kompleksa-sapsan.html#co
        mment-id-1285485
        "Thunder" -Complex will use promising winged a rocket developed on the basis of the Kite project to destroy ground targets
        Read more: http://www.arms-expo.ru/049051124051050049050056.html
        About 3 complex did not hear anything
  2. Greyfox
    Greyfox 3 July 2013 08: 28 New
    +6
    According to the RBC-Ukraine news agency, it is planned to spend 2017 billion hryvnias (28 billion rubles) on re-equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine before the 112 of the year. This was announced at a briefing in the Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine by the Minister of Defense of Ukraine Pavel Lebedev, commenting on aspects of the State program for reforming and developing the Armed Forces of Ukraine for the 2013-2017 years, the press service of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine reports.

    Not for fun, but for objectivity. With such spending on weapons, we can only talk about patching holes. Even the modernization of the existing weapons of our neighbors is in great question.
    1. viktorR
      viktorR 3 July 2013 11: 21 New
      +1
      Add here also “driban” (drank in Russian), even for holes it doesn’t remain.
    2. Akim
      Akim 3 July 2013 15: 45 New
      +2
      Quote: Greyfox
      With such spending on weapons, we can only talk about patching holes.

      3,5 ml. bucks for three years (for financing will begin next year) - not a bad headstock for rearmament. The main thing is how viktorR said so as not to gag.
      1. Alexander D.
        Alexander D. 3 July 2013 19: 48 New
        -1
        Quote: Akim
        Quote: Greyfox
        With such spending on weapons, we can only talk about patching holes.

        3,5 ml. bucks for three years (for financing will begin next year) - not a bad headstock for rearmament. The main thing is how viktorR said so as not to gag.

        It seems like the information passed that it is necessary to 3,8 billion dollars for 4 years

        http://vpk.name/news/92437_podschitali__proslezilis.html
      2. Greyfox
        Greyfox 3 July 2013 20: 06 New
        0
        1,2 billion (if still not 0,9 billion dollars) per year for the rearmament of an army that has not been updated for more than 20 years is nothing. Even if this army is squeezed up to 100 thousand people. Maintaining what works and painting is all. If it is only into service.
        1. Akim
          Akim 3 July 2013 20: 26 New
          +1
          Quote: Greyfox
          per year for the rearmament of an army that has not been updated for more than 20 years is nothing

          Well, you don’t need to exaggerate so much that we’re just going to junk. Who said that it will be coordinating. Enough for the update, to be honest they will be sent.
  3. sys-1985
    sys-1985 3 July 2013 08: 52 New
    +2
    From the beginning, you need to darn holes, and then develop ... IMHO
  4. Grigorich 1962
    Grigorich 1962 3 July 2013 09: 04 New
    +1
    The prospect may come if Ukrainian defense enterprises work in cooperation with the Russian defense industry. And so I think chronic underfunding, insufficient image of the country in the foreign market will not give a good result
    1. klimpopov
      klimpopov 3 July 2013 09: 08 New
      +1
      They are likely to enter into cooperation with NATO ....
  5. PROXOR
    PROXOR 3 July 2013 09: 11 New
    +2
    Well, 10, well, a maximum of 15 years and all. What's next? Patriots?
    No matter how Nezalezhnaya frowned about us, it’s not worth leaving the neighbors altogether. C400 Division in the Belgorod region and We look through the whole of Ukraine. More Moldova gets.
  6. Aeneas
    Aeneas 3 July 2013 09: 21 New
    15
    all these 20 years of relative combat readiness was maintained by the method of "cannibalism", and how many serviceable tokmo complexes were left in the headquarters of the Air Force. But the S-300 repair in various modifications has been mastered, they even launched the production of klystrons for radar transceiver emitters, and they repair foreign systems (Kazakhstan). Such a situation will continue for an indefinitely long, or short time, until political will arises or the mercantile interest of the owner of the manufacturer-developer of missiles is proclaimed. Such in Ukraine are abundant. Radars are produced in Kiev (Quantum Radar, Radar-ex Communist), in Zaporozhye (Spark), control systems in Kharkov (FED) and Kiev (Radiopribor), aircraft anti-aircraft missiles in Kiev (Artem, KB Luch). This current is a live-semi-living enterprise and not all. By order of Belarus, KB Luch creates a missile for the Stilet air defense system ... in principle, Ukrainian air defense is alive. Shooting exercises are carried out almost every year in Chaud. The Russians are unlikely to buy equipment. This is the Kremlin’s political decision to abandon cooperation with Ukraine as much as possible. Ukrainian politicians are also honorable and do not want to create a new factor of influence in Moscow, and they are dumb as well.
    1. smprofi
      smprofi 3 July 2013 09: 41 New
      -1
      Quote: Aeneas
      The Russians are unlikely to buy equipment.

      Well, why? although ... there Turkey just hinted about the SAM, so there is no end to the sellers. and it’s not scary for Russia that it is a member of NATO
      Quote: Aeneas
      This is the Kremlin’s political decision to abandon cooperation with Ukraine as much as possible.

      well yes. the Kremlin now has other allies, our american partners (© Great Putin)
      1. Aeneas
        Aeneas 3 July 2013 10: 09 New
        +6
        if Ukraine wants to buy an air defense system, then sellers will also “run into it.” It is certainly better to cooperate with Russians and Belarusians: one school, production processes and technologies, lack of communication barriers. Well, the ability to integrate Ukrainian components of which was a significant number under the Union.
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 4 July 2013 08: 20 New
          +1
          Quote: Aeneas
          if Ukraine wants to buy air defense systems, then sellers will also "run"

          I think with proper management, if Ukraine wants to create air defense systems and missile systems, then there are countries with finances that agree to finance a promising project in exchange for joint production technologies !!
      2. Curculum
        Curculum 3 July 2013 10: 38 New
        +6
        Quote: smprofi
        well yes. the Kremlin now has other allies, our American partners (© Great Putin)

        The American allies ended 68 years ago. And modern "partners" are different: "For Ukraine, money doesn’t smell; it doesn’t geographically matter where they came from" (© Pimply Yushchenko); “The best genocides of the country have gathered here! Yes, and the gene pool too” (© Pakhan Yanukovych).
        1. smprofi
          smprofi 3 July 2013 16: 29 New
          +7
          Quote: Kurkul
          But modern "partners" are different

          frankly, it’s broke to list the teachings that have already become for Russia and the gringo regular or which were at least once. and drag here a lot of photos on this topic. this also applies to the Air Force, and the Navy, and ground forces.
          again, Great Putin, even in his first accession to the throne, himself, on his own initiative and without any requests / hints, offered a transport corridor to Afghanistan for NATO. their sworn partners. Lord Farquad, the layer between the first and second uprising, frowned and sheki frowned about Ukraine and its glance to the West. and upon arrival in Rome, he gently kissed the gums with Berlusconi, who thanked Russia, i.e. Kremlin, for cooperation with NATO and in the military field too. this, of course, was not shown on ORT / RTR / NTV, but on the other hand it was perfectly visible on euronews and Chinese CCTV.

          PS Messrs. Urya-patriots, and you minus, minus. but somehow liquid ...
          PPS neither Pockmark, nor even Lisp - I do not godfather and not a matchmaker. and took the oath only to the Soviet Union.
          1. Curculum
            Curculum 3 July 2013 18: 19 New
            +2
            Quote: smprofi
            frankly, it’s broke to list the teachings that have already become regular for Russia and the gringos

            Duc also breaks me on the clave to beat the difference between the meanings of the terms "ally" and "partner" in a political or military context.
            Quote: smprofi
            and took the oath only to the Soviet Union.

            I swore allegiance to the Soviet People, which began to be called so in view of the formation of the state union of certain territories and nationalities, the "backbone" of which has always been Russia. But what can you do if every collective farmer wants to become the Minister of Agriculture, and the accountant - the Minister of Finance, respectively, to break - not to build.
          2. old man54
            old man54 3 July 2013 19: 45 New
            +1
            Quote: smprofi
            again, Great Putin, even in his first accession to the throne, himself, on his own initiative and without any requests / hints, offered a transport corridor to Afghanistan for NATO. their sworn partners.

            I agree with you kolega, bitter, but true! Most disgusting, although I voted 2 for the first time for this Judas - GDP! Thank you for the honest and truthful koment!
      3. huginn
        huginn 3 July 2013 12: 15 New
        +1
        A partner is not necessarily a friend and ally. From the dictionary-Companion, an accomplice in any joint activity.
      4. itkul
        itkul 3 July 2013 13: 02 New
        +2
        Quote: smprofi
        well yes. the Kremlin now has other allies, our American partners (© Great Putin)


        But Ukraine should have given refuge to Snowden, and showed the whole world how independent and democratic it is. Give our friends from Ukraine, take Edward to visit, and at the same time wipe Russia's nose, you love to do everything to us in spite
    2. old man54
      old man54 3 July 2013 15: 36 New
      +1
      Quote: Aeneas
      Ukrainian politicians are also honorable and do not want to create a new factor of influence in Moscow, and they are dumb as well.

      Well, fools, Ukrainian politicians! Although you have. like us today, some zapadents in the government, only the shades are a little different for them. Bear with it a bit, pretty soon everything should change, but the truth is pretty cool. :)
  7. slaventi
    slaventi 3 July 2013 09: 22 New
    0
    Are there any prospects for Ukrainian air defense? There is only in alliance with Russia, For a start, we would decide on a customs union.
  8. Orty
    Orty 3 July 2013 09: 32 New
    +1
    - Are there any prospects for Ukrainian air defense systems?
    - No.
  9. smprofi
    smprofi 3 July 2013 09: 35 New
    +3
    To be honest, the article is really not about anything.
    but I have a question (please do not worry about home archistrategs)
    Here is a photo:



    - if it is a park or storage parking, then why are the cables leaked? which lead somewhere and are connected to something

    - if this is a fighting position, then for which ... (anyway, the engine will cut, so insert whoever wants it) is everything stuck in one point? what are these new trends in the combat charter?
    1. Aeneas
      Aeneas 3 July 2013 10: 00 New
      +6
      Well so it is necessary to power this economy, at least for routine maintenance. But these are not Ukrainian complexes. Ukrainian (as well as Soviet) at KrAZ trucks.
      1. Curculum
        Curculum 3 July 2013 10: 57 New
        0
        Quote: Aeneas
        But these are not Ukrainian complexes. Ukrainian (as well as Soviet) at KrAZ trucks.

        In the video story, too, KrAZ?
      2. old man54
        old man54 3 July 2013 15: 43 New
        +2
        Quote: Aeneas
        Well so it is necessary to power this economy, at least for routine maintenance. But these are not Ukrainian complexes. Ukrainian (as well as Soviet) at KrAZ trucks.

        so this is actually C-400, launchers ... really strange :(
      3. smprofi
        smprofi 3 July 2013 19: 50 New
        0
        Quote: Aeneas
        so it is necessary to feed this economy, at least for routine maintenance.

        Yes? which ones?

        but in general, I realized that the S-300 is a little like. colleague old man54 prompts for the S-400.
        frankly ... obviously a full-time reel with a cable. what's this? Is the guidance station connected to the PU cable? Well, who has such a "happy" thought crossed my mind? Who is this technical "genius"?
        1. Bad_gr
          Bad_gr 4 July 2013 00: 20 New
          +4
          Quote: smprofi
          clearly a regular reel with a cable. what's this? Is the guidance station connected to the PU cable? Well, who has such a "happy" thought crossed my mind? Who is this technical "genius"?

          Judging by the cross section of the cable - this is clearly a power. Perhaps when the machine on duty it is powered by a third-party generator or from the network, to save its motor resources, and even without noise and soot.
          1. smprofi
            smprofi 4 July 2013 01: 50 New
            0
            may be so
          2. old man54
            old man54 4 July 2013 22: 07 New
            0
            Quote: Bad_gr
            Perhaps when the machine on duty it is powered by a third-party generator or from the network, to save its motor resources, and even without noise and soot.

            Well. it’s quite logical, but ... why are they already 4 pieces in a crowd then stand ?? What, different caponiers at a considerable distance from each other to make one’s mind crazy isn’t enough for the command or something? :( This photo and others, where modern planes are on a box in a box, strongly reminds me immediately of the 41 year, crowding of aircraft The Red Army Air Force in Belarus on 22 June. I hope everyone knows the results of this "innovation" then, I don’t want to write. Does life really not teach us anything, huh :( soldier
  10. Algor73
    Algor73 3 July 2013 09: 44 New
    +3
    To bury the Ukrainian air defense is too early. The fact is that Ukrainian leaders understand the importance of this particular kind of troops. They do not want to depend on Moscow, and there is no money (gas wars have taught). And the technical potential in Ukraine is even that big. But time will tell.
    1. Russ69
      Russ69 3 July 2013 10: 48 New
      +2
      Quote: Algor73
      To bury the Ukrainian air defense is too early. The fact is that Ukrainian leaders understand the importance of this particular kind of troops. They do not want to depend on Moscow, and there is no money (gas wars have taught). And the technical potential in Ukraine is even that big. But time will tell.

      There is, it is there for now, only it also rests on the old cadres for the most part, but without serious funding there will be nothing new except modernization of the old and then to a limited extent.
  11. USNik
    USNik 3 July 2013 09: 53 New
    +5
    To be honest, the article is really not about anything.

    ? An article about the sad state of affairs in Ukrainian air defense. A familiar officer from one of the S-300 divisions is getting aggrieved by the planned "optimization" and "modernization" that they want to carry out this summer. The meaning, in his words, is simply to sell the fucking land and buildings of air defense departments in cities and transfer them all to fields, directly to the places of deployment of the complexes, sell the most "lively" complexes, disband empty parts, fire a bunch of people without apartments, benefits. .. full paragraph.
    1. Russ69
      Russ69 3 July 2013 10: 42 New
      +3
      Quote: USNik
      Air defense in the cities and transfer them all to the fields, directly to the places of deployment of the complexes, sell the most "lively" complexes, disband empty parts, fire a bunch of people without apartments, allowances ... full paragraph.

      Unfortunately, they have an example of how, under a plausible excuse, to improve their financial situation.
  12. Skavron
    Skavron 3 July 2013 09: 57 New
    +3
    "Are there any prospects for Ukrainian air defense systems?"

    There are always prospects !!! ))) That's why they are prospects.
    Are there any possibilities? And they are.
    No, as Aeneas correctly said, the will of the leaders.
    1. Orty
      Orty 3 July 2013 10: 41 New
      +7
      So this is one and the same thing, in the sense of your leadership, it didn’t suddenly come out of thin air! You’ve planted yourself on your neck, you yourself look at the arctic fox reigning around, so that while you choose such freaks you will not have any prospects in any high-tech industry in Ukraine. For the EU, where the stubbornness of a ram is so torn in your nenko, competitors tries are not needed.
      1. Skavron
        Skavron 3 July 2013 11: 06 New
        0
        Well, personally, I did not choose any of them)
        and your kament is not the essence of the issue, it's about prospects - they are
        but “leaders,” God willing, will disperse.
        1. Misantrop
          Misantrop 3 July 2013 11: 16 New
          +4
          Quote: Skavron
          but “leaders,” God willing, will disperse.

          Rather, they will run away. As soon as they decide that there is nothing more to steal. So far IMHO more to this
        2. Orty
          Orty 3 July 2013 11: 51 New
          0
          Are you from Ukraine? Then do not excuse yourself for not choosing.
          1. Skavron
            Skavron 3 July 2013 12: 12 New
            +3
            you know, I don’t go to the polls, but you may not believe ... I don’t care about your opinion on this issue
            1. Orty
              Orty 3 July 2013 20: 29 New
              +1
              It’s demagogy, if you don’t go to the polls, you also make a choice, it means that you trust those people who have chosen to go to the polls, kind of delegate their powers to them, so don’t excuse yourself.
              1. Skavron
                Skavron 4 July 2013 12: 32 New
                0
                you're doing demagogy, trying to prove something to me here.
                I made my choice, but you're unlikely ...
  13. dustycat
    dustycat 3 July 2013 10: 04 New
    0
    "..., interference immunity has been enhanced, ..."
    But is it not for complexes manufactured by Ukraine itself?
    If so, then the umbrella is very full of holes.
    And the code communication complex - a legacy of the USSR - with that resistance to interference and to the components of the code communication network.
  14. Sergey13
    Sergey13 3 July 2013 10: 07 New
    +2
    They will have prospects only if Ukraine ceases to twitch between the EU and Russia, when the Ukrainian leadership cures its head, it turns on the brains and unites with Russia
  15. Fuzeler
    Fuzeler 3 July 2013 10: 34 New
    +9
    Of course, I will anger here, probably everyone, but, in my opinion, this article is incorrect. Are there any prospects for Ukrainian air defense systems? Ask our Tu-22M3 who they shot down in Georgia, I think you will get an answer. Why is that? And because while there is a SCHOOL (and in Ukraine, under the USSR, there was a very good anti-aircraft missile school), there are prospects. As soon as the school falls apart, that's all.
    1. Dangerous
      Dangerous 3 July 2013 10: 49 New
      +1
      So in Georgia professional fought, not anyhow anyone. And do not compare their level with those who serve now and even in practical exercises were not
      1. Fuzeler
        Fuzeler 3 July 2013 11: 17 New
        0
        The calculation of air defense systems is basically officers and warrant officers; there are few conscripts there now. Ukrainian anti-aircraft gunners, SIMPLE officers and warrant officers (not the best of the best, but those who are more or less), were offered to go, they went. They did their job: our Tu, as it was, was not + 1 Su-25, if I am not mistaken, the identity was destroyed. Despite the fact that the air defense system was neither destroyed by our aviation, nor by any of our other military branches.
        1. volkodav
          volkodav 3 July 2013 12: 50 New
          0
          Well you tell my grandmother
          Quote: Fuzeler
          The calculation of air defense systems is basically officers and warrant officers; there are few conscripts there now. Ukrainian anti-aircraft gunners, SIMPLE officers and warrant officers (not the best of the best, but those who are more or less), were offered to go, they went. They did their job: our Tu, as it was, was not + 1 Su-25, if I am not mistaken, the identity was destroyed. Despite the fact that the air defense system was neither destroyed by our aviation, nor by any of our other military branches.

          BROKEN IN GENERAL IF MEMORY DOES NOT CHANGE AT LEAST 4 CARS AND SO MUCH DAMAGE. and zrk PART WHICH AT THE TIME OF THE ATTACK WORKED, THE SU-34 WAS DESTROYED. and who turned off the stations on time, the crews abandoned
          1. Alexander D.
            Alexander D. 3 July 2013 19: 55 New
            0
            Quote: volkodav
            Well you tell my grandmother
            Quote: Fuzeler
            The calculation of air defense systems is basically officers and warrant officers; there are few conscripts there now. Ukrainian anti-aircraft gunners, SIMPLE officers and warrant officers (not the best of the best, but those who are more or less), were offered to go, they went. They did their job: our Tu, as it was, was not + 1 Su-25, if I am not mistaken, the identity was destroyed. Despite the fact that the air defense system was neither destroyed by our aviation, nor by any of our other military branches.

            BROKEN IN GENERAL IF MEMORY DOES NOT CHANGE AT LEAST 4 CARS AND SO MUCH DAMAGE. and zrk PART WHICH AT THE TIME OF THE ATTACK WORKED, THE SU-34 WAS DESTROYED. and who turned off the stations on time, the crews abandoned

            Who told you such tales? Only 36D6 was destroyed there, and BUKs were useless without it - no one destroyed them.
        2. Sochi
          Sochi 3 July 2013 14: 16 New
          +6
          In particular, to suppress the RES, the Su-34 interfered with the battle formations, which did not allow the Georgian air defense system to successfully carry out a detuning from the interference. On the most dangerous RES of the Buk and S-125 Su-34 air defense systems, it launched anti-radar missiles. The container of active interference of the group defense of the Su-34 showed high efficiency during the conduct of hostilities.
          During combat use, the Su-34 destroyed the key Georgian 36D6-M radar near the village of Shavshvebi near Gori. According to eyewitnesses of the conflict, two Su-34 aircraft participated in it (side numbers No. 01 and No.46). The first engaged in electronic warfare, interfered with built-in EW units and wing containers, and the second fired at airfields, Georgian air defense systems, and radar with anti-radar missiles (PRR).
          Read more: http://www.arms-expo.ru/049057054048124050053052052054.html
          1. Alexander D.
            Alexander D. 3 July 2013 19: 57 New
            +1
            Quote: Sochi
            In particular, to suppress the RES, the Su-34 interfered with the battle formations, which did not allow the Georgian air defense system to successfully carry out a detuning from the interference. On the most dangerous RES of the Buk and S-125 Su-34 air defense systems, it launched anti-radar missiles. The container of active interference of the group defense of the Su-34 showed high efficiency during the conduct of hostilities.
            During combat use, the Su-34 destroyed the key Georgian 36D6-M radar near the village of Shavshvebi near Gori. According to eyewitnesses of the conflict, two Su-34 aircraft participated in it (side numbers No. 01 and No.46). The first engaged in electronic warfare, interfered with built-in EW units and wing containers, and the second fired at airfields, Georgian air defense systems, and radar with anti-radar missiles (PRR).
            Read more: http://www.arms-expo.ru/049057054048124050053052052054.html


            Second Su-34 where did it come from? No need to compose

            1. old man54
              old man54 3 July 2013 21: 05 New
              +1
              Quote: Alexander D.
              Second Su-34 where did it come from? No need to compose

              and indeed, if we believe everything about the way you laid out the video ... I’m afraid that soon we’ll all go off the coils! Information as they say "first hand" you :))
              Su-34 started production in series again in the same Novosibisk (whose plane Ukraine crashed over the World Cup) in the 2003 year at Chkalovsky NAPO. By the 2006 year it was adopted by weapons, and even then they were in the armed forces. 4 seems to be in Lipetsk. After that, a slow but serial production went into the troops. Well, how did Russia have it in 2008, there was only 1 Su-34 ??? Maybe 1 / 3 is better, huh? fool
        3. Corneli
          Corneli 3 July 2013 19: 45 New
          +2
          Quote: Fuzeler
          They did their job: our Tu, as it was, was not + 1 Su-25, if I am not mistaken, the identity was destroyed.

          1 TU-22m, 3 SU-25 ... these are the official losses of the Russian Air Force during the conflict (and I don’t know what was shot down). Here are just the participation of the Ukrainian operators in the conflict itself, nothing more than a hypothesis. 6 Buk-M1 and 48 missiles were sold to it back in 2007. Georgians could learn how to use it for a year by themselves (not so stupid)
          P.S. But the sale of beech trees, which they themselves need, to the dumb Sahak, for 20 leyam when Pakistan gave 100 for them !!! This, damn it! am
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 4 July 2013 08: 26 New
            +2
            Quote: Corneli
            Here are just the participation of the Ukrainian operators in the conflict itself, nothing more than hypotheses

            Totally agree!
            Some here have very stupid stereotypes, they say, apart from Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians, nobody knew how to use modern weapons and does not know how !!
  16. urich
    urich 3 July 2013 10: 57 New
    +2
    Air defense systems are cool and cool. But when you live in the same stairwell, you want your neighbors to be quiet, not to scream songs after 22.00, and not to hammer a perforator into the wall on weekends. One thing when air defense is deployed, for example, in Odessa and somewhere in the Lviv regions, is completely different if it is Donetsk, Kharkov or Chernihiv regions. With all due respect for the sovereignty of Ukraine, without any attempts to get into the internal affairs of our neighbors, I would not want our plane to be shot down by mistake with a Ukrainian missile by mistake (or not by mistake) (С300 allows you to do this).
  17. gych
    gych 3 July 2013 11: 22 New
    +4
    until the government understands that anyone who wants to feed his army will feed someone else's. purchasing from abroad air defense missiles is not an option as well as modernization. developing their own air defense missile systems is the prospect! easier to control)
  18. Dmitry 2246
    Dmitry 2246 3 July 2013 11: 23 New
    0
    I believe in the cunning of Ukrainians.
    They will surely find an “elegant” solution for preserving air defense, and they will also earn money.
    The brains would remain to them of reason.
    1. Alexander D.
      Alexander D. 3 July 2013 20: 03 New
      0
      Quote: Dmitry 2246
      I believe in the cunning of Ukrainians.
      They will surely find an “elegant” solution for preserving air defense, and they will also earn money.
      The brains would remain to them of reason.

      Well, you are probably a Slav yourself, and you must understand that the more we are pinched into a corner, the more cunning and desperate we become. If the Russian Federation does not want to cooperate normally with Ukraine, hoping in such ways to force us into an alliance, then we will only move away from you. When they want to be friends, it is necessary to lure the carrot, and not to whip. Such is the Slavic mentality. Thanks to him, they are still alive.
      1. anderrr
        anderrr 3 July 2013 21: 40 New
        +1
        Sorry for the offtopic ...
        I apologize, and in what is expressed the reluctance of Russia "to cooperate normally with Russia"? The question is without subtext, because I recall that the complication of bilateral relations between our countries was a consequence of the fascist tricks of your previous president, and the desire to receive gas almost for nothing (from which, in my opinion, a certain circle of people fed well) reselling it (gas) further to Europe.
        Yes, and you didn’t try to like it either. As the saying goes: nothing personal. Just business.
        And yes, if you can correlate your will, desire and opportunities and produce a high-quality, cheap and reliable air defense system that meets the requirements of our time, then I (dare not to hope alone) will applaud and be happy for you.
  19. Kars
    Kars 3 July 2013 11: 33 New
    +2
    Ukraine won a tender for the repair of S-300 for Kazakhstan. I wonder how it fits with the article?

    As for the S-400, then, in principle, we can do without them for another 40 years. At least. If Romania can’t buy a used F-16
    1. Orty
      Orty 3 July 2013 11: 55 New
      +2
      Yes there 40 years! Let's get 100! Or 200! And it is finished besides Romania, Ukraine has no one to fear! After all, no one needs this very fertile land rich in natural resources and access to the sea, but at the same time having extremely weak power and almost collapsed armed forces. Well, in fact, who will be so ashamed of this?
      1. Kars
        Kars 3 July 2013 12: 03 New
        +3
        Quote: Orty
        but at the same time having extremely weak power, and almost collapsed armed forces

        Of course. Especially our power is weak. It will give the feeder to the first comer. Probably for this reason it still holds 160 parasites, the unprotected 000 explosives and the Ministry of Internal Affairs. Although they could have dissolved for a long time)))

        And do not underestimate the S-300, and overestimate the S-400, which still works on missiles from the S-300
        1. PLO
          PLO 3 July 2013 14: 31 New
          +2
          And do not underestimate the S-300, and overestimate the S-400, which still works on missiles from the S-300

          do not be cunning either
          nevertheless, the S-400 is now firing the latest modification of the 48N6DM at 250km, and not the earlier versions of the 48N6 at 150km

          In addition, Ukraine, as I understand it, has only S-300PT / PS, i.e. not even talking about 48N6, only about 5V55V / R with a range of 75 km
          1. Kars
            Kars 3 July 2013 15: 56 New
            +2
            Quote: olp
            nevertheless, the S-400 is now firing the latest modification of the 48N6DM at 250km, and not the earlier versions of the 48N6 at 150km

            In addition, Ukraine, as I understand it, has only S-300PT / PS, i.e. not even talking about 48N6, only about 5V55V / R with a range of 75 km



            But this is already not specifically known, what the S-400 shoots with, nor what Ukraine has.
            1. PLO
              PLO 3 July 2013 16: 25 New
              +2
              But this is already not specifically known, what the S-400 shoots with, nor what Ukraine has.

              Well, then, Ukraine is generally a funny country, it never knows anything specifically
              1. Akim
                Akim 3 July 2013 16: 39 New
                +4
                Quote: olp
                nothing is ever specifically known in it


                You know. it’s better not to say loudly. PR “Sapsan” - they threw money for it, and as a result there will be another developer with a free project. Or they threw money on Vepr, and the military in Nizhyn converted the AK into a bulpap for free. In Russia, a similar situation.
              2. Alexander D.
                Alexander D. 3 July 2013 20: 06 New
                +1
                In Ukraine for 2011 there were at least 4 S-300V1 divisions. It is unlikely that in 2 years they managed to get rid of them.
                1. PLO
                  PLO 3 July 2013 20: 44 New
                  0
                  It is assumed that the S-300PT, S-200V and S-300V1 systems will be decommissioned, and the total number of divisions will be reduced to 40, of which one third will be Buk-M1 systems, and two thirds will be S-300PS air defense systems.

                  it is written in an article, not I invented it
                  if this is not so and the S-300V1 will be maintained for a long time in the ranks, I will not worry, I basically do not care, only even the S-300V1 is far from the S-400, although it is much better than the S-300PT / PS
        2. Orty
          Orty 3 July 2013 20: 36 New
          -1
          You yourself said the parasites, yes there is a crowd, there is no army, maybe VVshniki and even can, but without aviation and artillery, you should not expect results from them. MIA? Seriously? Well, they don’t have bad special forces there, he’s only urban special forces, not army, other tactics are worse, heavy weapons are either small or small, and again only in the city he has good sense, take them out into the open field and put them in a kayak will come. Here people already wrote about the s-300, and you don’t make missiles for it. What will you stop if you still attack? Or do we have to fit in for you?
          1. Kars
            Kars 3 July 2013 21: 11 New
            +3
            Quote: Orty
            You yourself said the parasites, yes there is a crowd, there is no army, maybe VVshniki and even can, but without aviation and artillery, you should not expect results from them. MIA? Seriously? Well, they don’t have bad special forces there, he’s only urban special forces, not army, other tactics are worse, heavy weapons are either small or small, and again only in the city he has good sense, take them out into the open field and put them in a kayak will come. Here people already wrote about the s-300, and you don’t make missiles for it. What will you stop if you still attack? Or do we have to fit in for you?


            Something I don’t understand what you want? Do you need something? It doesn’t suit you for us in principle. You are far away and look better for China.


            VV and militia is sorry about the personnel who have served in the armed forces and graduated from military departments. With AK-74 and RPG they will go for a sweet soul. We have enough artillery on the floor of Europe, there are enough aircraft, especially against three dozen Mig-21 Romanians, By essentially your comment is the top of some kind of psychosis is incomprehensible to me. And S-300 will be upgraded to Kazakhstankrajina.
    2. huginn
      huginn 3 July 2013 12: 26 New
      +4
      What interesting anti-aircraft missiles will you put in upgraded from 300, if Ukraine does not produce anti-aircraft missiles, none at all? Or will the old ones come down?
      1. Kars
        Kars 3 July 2013 12: 34 New
        +2
        Quote: huginn
        What interesting anti-aircraft missiles will you put in upgraded from 300, if Ukraine does not produce anti-aircraft missiles, none at all? Or will the old ones come down?

        until the old ones come together, we’ll sort it out and fix it. Then we’ll start producing ourselves if the demand is - what is our defense industry worse than Chinese? If it’s cheaper, we’ll buy Chinese in extreme cases
      2. Alexander D.
        Alexander D. 3 July 2013 20: 08 New
        -1
        Quote: huginn
        What interesting anti-aircraft missiles will you put in upgraded from 300, if Ukraine does not produce anti-aircraft missiles, none at all? Or will the old ones come down?

        Kiev. KB Ray. Visit their website and see what kind of rockets they are developing and modernizing.
    3. huginn
      huginn 3 July 2013 12: 40 New
      0
      I found the news, "in 2009, Kazakhstan acquired the S-300PMU-1 from the reserve of the Russian armed forces." Apparently they will be upgraded.
  20. gych
    gych 3 July 2013 12: 02 New
    +2
    Quote: Orty
    Yes there 40 years! Let's get 100! Or 200! And it is finished besides Romania, Ukraine has no one to fear! After all, no one needs this very fertile land rich in natural resources and access to the sea, but at the same time having extremely weak power and almost collapsed armed forces. Well, in fact, who will be so ashamed of this?

    Yes, as I look, Kazakhstan became interested in the lands of Ukraine
    1. Orty
      Orty 3 July 2013 20: 40 New
      0
      Like a joke like that? The current is incomprehensible, are you like yourself from Iceland? So what are you grazing on this forum? And I, you know, also Russian and I do not care how they glue my country again. Ram.
      1. anderrr
        anderrr 3 July 2013 21: 59 New
        +1
        It’s good that you are not indifferent to the fate of Russia, but it’s just somehow not customary for us to pound our heels on the chest and shout: I am Russian. Since the same Kazakh who was born in the 70s somewhere in the Saratov region and grew up there, in fact, it may turn out to be “more Russian” than you. And you, in turn, may also turn out to be “more Kazakh” than he. There were examples. And people are all different.
        Well, most of all, your evaluation characteristic was given to your opponent. Are the arguments over? And swearing, she will not bring to good.
        1. Orty
          Orty 4 July 2013 08: 04 New
          -1
          My dearest, I hit my heel on the chest, it’s the figment of your imagination about the characteristics of your opponent, but who is he after such a rotten attack? Indeed, instead of a normally reasoned answer to my post, all he could give out was to complain about my place of residence and that’s all. Who is he again after that?
  21. Akim
    Akim 3 July 2013 12: 06 New
    +4
    S-400 is a good complex. You can even say he's the best. But for Ukraine, a powerful one. As for medium-range air defense systems, next year Luch will present a complex based on the R-27M missile
    (80 km). That's when it will be shown, then we will discuss it. There are brains - dumb penniesє. "Ray" has adapted to make money on new customer money.
    1. Nevsky
      Nevsky 3 July 2013 15: 01 New
      +1
      Quote: Akim
      S-400 is a good complex. You can even say he's the best. But for Ukraine, a powerful one.


      Does Ukraine have a small territory in area? And I forgot, we have an example and honor the Baltic countries, I apologize. hi
      1. Akim
        Akim 3 July 2013 15: 31 New
        +5
        Quote: Nevsky
        Does Ukraine have a small territory in area?

        No, it is necessary that from Donetsk to Lviv shot through. stop Complexes of short and medium range are quite capable of blocking the territory of the state. And if you are so unbearable, an example is Germany, which has Patriots with medium-range missiles (80 km), or France with Aster-30 (SAMP / T) (90 km).
  22. Idolum
    Idolum 3 July 2013 12: 56 New
    0
    Alas, with today's realities, the country's air defense has 404 prospects.
  23. volkodav
    volkodav 3 July 2013 13: 00 New
    0
    But why does Ukraine need air defense at all? even if they put in a new air defense system now, it’ll be like with a gas transmission system, I’ll not eat it myself, and I won’t let others rust
  24. Flanker06
    Flanker06 3 July 2013 13: 40 New
    +1
    http://www.mil.in.ua/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=138
    Here, read the posts of the user steering wheel 75, learn a lot.
    The man is clearly in the subject.
  25. aleksandr.k
    aleksandr.k 3 July 2013 15: 56 New
    +2
    I wonder what idiots run in the "military stuff" x? They have about a couple of words in their vocabulary: “to be afraid” and “to be afraid”.
  26. old man54
    old man54 3 July 2013 16: 00 New
    +3
    The article is sad, but necessary. We, the Russians, should have a lesson in what authorities such as ours and Ukrainian can bring the country to. But to the majority of urya-patriots this seems still not understandable, still cheeks are puffing up on the topic that Russia is still mighty.: (((Ukrainians are very sorry, but themselves to blame - every nation deserves its ruler!
    Russia, which is the manufacturer of this complex, considers it obsolete. Therefore, in the near future she intends to remove C-300 from production and start producing exclusively C-400. The last C-300 were released, recall, back in the 1994 year for export, but there are currently no export orders.

    but why is it suddenly such an opinion of the author of the article ?? What is it based on? :)) And the Syrian order? But Iranian Wishlist? 7 Hugo Chasves unfortunately didn’t rest on time, otherwise he also very seriously considered the issue of C-300 purchases.
    1. smprofi
      smprofi 3 July 2013 16: 35 New
      +3
      Quote: old man54
      to the majority of Urya-patriots this seems to be still not clear

      here is at least one reasonable person found !!!
      1. old man54
        old man54 3 July 2013 19: 53 New
        0
        Well, what are you, embarrassing. kolega. :) repeat
  27. smprofi
    smprofi 3 July 2013 16: 34 New
    +4
    but in general it’s interesting somehow
    So, for the S-300 it was determined to be 25 years old (most of the complexes were produced in the late 80s and early 90s). Spare parts for them have long been discontinued

    um ... but what about Russian complexes? Belarusian?
    and, excuse me, were you going to supply Iran?
    and supposedly shipped to Syria? than Israel was going to blow ...
  28. xomaNN
    xomaNN 3 July 2013 17: 30 New
    +1
    The state of air defense in Ukraine simply reflects the general state of army affairs in the country. After the collapse of the Union, in our territory, due to the military-strategic location of the Ukrainian SSR, there was an excess of modern weapons at that time. But, unfortunately, there were also a large number of cunning lads, who in the 90s - 2000s passed by the state. cash desks sold at dumping prices the most delicious weapons. Yes, there was still trying very hard to bend over to foreign "friends" with disarmament. And, unlike the Russian Federation of recent years, in Ukraine there is neither a leader, nor political will, nor MONEY to give some of the new missile weapons to air defense. And then people, specialists, relics still remain. And reduced to 120 thousand in all they already have no place for the army: ((
  29. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 3 July 2013 20: 36 New
    +1
    I want to remind my Ukrainian friends and fellow soldiers of the words of the great commander of the Great Patriotic War G.K. Zhukov: “Severe grief awaits a country that is unable to repel an air strike.”and this respected marshal knew what he was talking about. Therefore, comments are superfluous. But if Ukraine adopts a strategic military doctrine that Russia is a friendly neighbor, then the air defense of the two countries will be on guard. But in my opinion, in practice, unfortunately, this is not so ...
  30. Makarov
    Makarov 4 July 2013 03: 57 New
    0
    There is a word characterizing the current state of affairs in this industry - rogue ....
  31. gych
    gych 4 July 2013 08: 29 New
    +1
    Quote: Orty
    Like a joke like that? The current is incomprehensible, are you like yourself from Iceland? So what are you grazing on this forum? And I, you know, also Russian and I do not care how they glue my country again. Ram.
    it’s strange somehow you signed up! I’m embarrassed to ask Baran your name or surname? do not worry about the external enemies while the Russian fleet in Sevostopal is not some kind of knight! I hope you don’t have to write why?! I expressed my opinion about the prospect of Ukraine’s air defense system, but this is just my opinion! Well, about the question flag, address the site administrators, I have no idea why the nickname is registered under this flag!
  32. Kremlin
    Kremlin 4 July 2013 09: 01 New
    0
    Probably there is ... only not very high quality, but ... they beat noticeably ... on TV. :)
  33. dominatus
    dominatus 4 July 2013 10: 00 New
    +2
    Quote: Grigorich 1962
    The prospect may arise if Ukrainian defense enterprises work in cooperation with the Russian defense industry


    It's impossible. Such cooperation is constantly hindered by politics. A striking example of the An-70. How many times have Russians agreed to participate in the project and subsequently refused, in order to please political pressure on Ukraine. The last time the order for the An-70 was “linked” exclusively with the entry of T / S into Ukraine. although there is no full-fledged replacement for the An-70.
  34. LAO
    LAO 7 July 2013 21: 20 New
    -1
    Yes! Our air defense is useless and there is no money for a new one — probably we’ll have to nevertheless join NATO and deploy American Patriots on our territory for free, as they previously offered us.
    And who will attack us, after all, Russia is a purely peaceful country, and there are no more people nearby (from respectable ones).
    1. Akim
      Akim 8 July 2013 05: 19 New
      0
      Quote: LAO
      probably still have to join NATO and locate the American "Patriots" on its territory

      Good exaggeration. Poland has been a NATO member for over 10 years. Was she given new systems? Khrenushki. These are the tales of the Sirens from Brussels about the kissel shores.
      1. LAO
        LAO 9 July 2013 19: 37 New
        0
        We have at least a choice, and many here for us keep us “decent” only in Moscow as guest workers to work.
        "Better be alone than with anyone ..." Omar Khayyam.
        Unfortunately, Russia is not our friend and it is dangerous to deal with it.
        She has only one thing in mind - to use us for his imperial purposes.
        At the expense of the “Patriots,” neither we nor the C300 are needed. We must do everything ourselves, with our brains and with our own hands, and we can do it.
  35. Cormorants
    Cormorants 26 August 2013 08: 52 New
    0
    Of course there is a prospect, you can sell them to Georgia.
  36. Stasi
    Stasi 20 September 2013 12: 42 New
    0
    We need to talk about the prospects of not only the Ukrainian air defense forces but also about the prospects of the Ukrainian army in general. After the collapse of the USSR, Ukraine got, so to speak, the largest piece from the pie of the Soviet Armed Forces. But where are all these regiments of the division now? Where are the military equipment and weapons? This is not the case, the regiments of the division went under massive reduction, weapons and equipment were sold, and the money was taken to the pockets of officials of various ranks. The political consequences of such a weakening did not take long: Romania took away from Ukraine the Snake Island, located in the Black Sea. In the area of ​​this island are oil and gas reserves. If Ukraine had powerful armed forces, Romanians would never have dared to do such a thing, the strong are known to be respected and the weak are beaten. Now the Romanian army in terms of quantity and quality is considered one of the strongest armies in the Black Sea region, while the Ukrainian army can hardly oppose it.
    1. Akim
      Akim 20 September 2013 15: 26 New
      0
      Quote: Stasi
      washing took away from the island of Snake from Ukraine,


      Volt is another victim of propaganda. At least read the information so as not to disgrace. Ukrainian border post stands on the island. And the Romanians seized 2/3 of the shelf. It is not a matter of military force. For which I’m a big shame.
      1. Stasi
        Stasi 21 September 2013 22: 04 New
        0
        Those 2/3 of the shelf that Romania seized, but actually took away, were once under Soviet jurisdiction, and after the collapse they came under the jurisdiction of Ukraine. Remember what scandal rose in Ukraine over the transfer to the Romanians of this part of the island. And military force is one of the factors in international politics that is reckoned with. And the fact that the Ukrainian border post is located on the island does not mean anything, the Romanians got theirs, and Ukraine suffered losses. So which of us is a victim of propaganda?
  37. kot007
    kot007 April 30 2014 07: 03 New
    0
    In Ukraine, the whole army is falling apart ...