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The number of those who are ready to fight for the Motherland is growing

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The number of those who are ready to fight for the Motherland is growingOn the eve of the Day of Memory and Grief Levada Center conducted a nationwide survey. According to its results, more than half of the respondents (52%) are sure that the main merit in victory in the Great Patriotic War belongs to the Soviet people, 6% of respondents assign this role to Joseph Stalin, 5% to the Communist Party and the USSR leadership in general. Every third (33%) believes that victory in the Patriotic War was ensured all together. Meanwhile, if now, as in 1941, the war began, half of the respondents declared their readiness to defend the Motherland: 29% of respondents would go to the front by conscription, 20% volunteer. Every tenth (9%) would try to go to a safe country, another 19% doubt that they would be called up. Difficult to answer 23% of respondents. Answering the question who, in their opinion, is the main responsibility for our multimillion-dollar losses in this war, 21% of respondents pointed to Stalin, 13% - to the Communist Party and the country's leadership (last year there were 30 and 20%, respectively). 37% of Russians now against 28% a year ago believe that the responsibility lies only in Germany, 13% - "all together."


Large losses and losses in the first months of the war are attributed by some respondents to the suddenness of an enemy attack (37%), others to the lack of readiness for an invasion (33%). In addition, respondents believe that the command of the Red Army was drained of blood by the Stalinist purges of the late 30 (30%), the army itself was much worse trained and armed than the German troops (25%), the USSR did not have time to transfer the economy to military rails and not prepared for war (25%). It is worth noting that the number of positive assessments of the Red Army over the year has become noticeably higher, and the number of those who are ready to fight for their homeland has increased by more than 10%. The attitude of Russians towards the USSR and the Soviet stories.
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  1. experienced
    experienced 28 June 2013 09: 58 New
    22
    I do not believe these polls, and all these polling offices only do loot, successfully compiling questions and conducting a survey among such segments of the population so that the answers satisfy the customer who pays. During the Second World War, the people fought for their homeland, now fight for whom? It is clear that if an aggressor happens, it will attack and I will take the barrel in my hands and go into the trench, but I will fight for my land and my relatives ...
    Reading such news, you need to realize that someone else from the great said: "There is a lie, there is a big lie and there is still statistics," with the help of these percentages we are being manipulated. However, we see it very well in every election, when these offices are at their peak hi
    And another nuance, "The number of those ready to fight for their homeland is growing," after one year of service? Do they win a lot?
    1. escapes
      escapes 28 June 2013 10: 02 New
      79
      I will take the barrel in my hands and go to the trench, but I will fight for my land and relatives ...


      But whether this is the homeland ??)))
      1. Nevsky
        Nevsky 28 June 2013 10: 11 New
        40
        Quote: fugas
        I will take the barrel in my hands and go to the trench, but I will fight for my land and relatives ...


        But whether this is the homeland ??)))


        Many people are now popular expression, they say I will not fight for Abramovich and Putin, but for your hearth and family, then yes! It’s interesting to me, they will directly fire from the apartment and from the sofa, or will they volunteer to fight for their homeland far beyond the borders of their region ?! Of course, I exaggerate, but not all, and many, when talking further, say this: let them shove here, they say we know our area well.... In short rely on such hard. It is unclear at what stage they will join the army, will they be a classic militia, if so, where will they defend? Directly in the vastness of our great Motherland, or they will wait for the adversary on their street in three houses, where everything is simple and familiar .... what

        It seems to me, the expression: "I will not win for this power (country), ...." The initial phrase, as if the liberals came up with ... But today everyone interprets it as you like, and as he wants. In peacetime, everyone swears that although they will not put their heads for the Government, but for any country, yes! But only harsh (God forbid) realities will be able to confirm these words. And then you look at the refugees of Syria, which the Ministry of Emergencies takes out on board, men there sometimes reach 25% of the total .... This is my personal subjective opinion.
        1. matross
          matross 28 June 2013 15: 13 New
          +5
          Quote: Nevsky
          And then you look at the refugees of Syria, which the Ministry of Emergencies takes out on board, men there sometimes reach 25% of the total ....

          Are you talking about Arabs chtol? These yeah ... the dashing warriors ... a little che - eat it right away! It’s even interesting, with all due respect to the Syrian army, if it were replaced by the Russian army on 2-3 weeks — what would be left of these shitty “rebels”?
          1. il grand casino
            il grand casino 28 June 2013 17: 00 New
            +5
            Quote: matRoss
            Quote: Nevsky
            And then you look at the refugees of Syria, which the Ministry of Emergencies takes out on board, men there sometimes reach 25% of the total ....

            Are you talking about Arabs chtol? These yeah ... the dashing warriors ... a little che - eat it right away! It’s even interesting, with all due respect to the Syrian army, if it were replaced by the Russian army on 2-3 weeks — what would be left of these shitty “rebels”?


            And how do these "rebels" differ from the mercenaries in Chechnya? in 2-3 weeks you can win only by turning the country into a desert ... but here the Syrian people of our soldiers would hardly support.
            1. matross
              matross 28 June 2013 19: 32 New
              0
              Quote: il grand casino
              And how do these "rebels" differ from the mercenaries in Chechnya?

              Nothing! TVD is different - there are no forests. There are no serious mountains either. There is little water.
              Quote: il grand casino
              in 2-3 weeks you can only be defeated by turning the country into a desert ...

              Could be so. And you can "clear" the settlements controlled by the militants, occupy the nodes of the most important roads, and take control of the border.
              1. il grand casino
                il grand casino 28 June 2013 20: 11 New
                0
                Quote: matRoss
                Quote: il grand casino
                And how do these "rebels" differ from the mercenaries in Chechnya?

                Nothing! TVD is different - there are no forests. There are no serious mountains either. There is little water.
                Quote: il grand casino
                in 2-3 weeks you can only be defeated by turning the country into a desert ...

                Could be so. And you can "clear" the settlements controlled by the militants, occupy the nodes of the most important roads, and take control of the border.


                There are few forests, you are right. Although there is. And there are mountains. But still, Syria is not a small country. No one has canceled logistics. You will have to clean it for not a month or two.
                1. matross
                  matross 28 June 2013 20: 44 New
                  +1
                  My assumption was purely speculative, and the terms were exaggerated by short. Moreover, this question has been pointed out to me, which seems to me that the Syrian army is fighting hr-ovo. But we wish her victory wholeheartedly!
                  PS Trees are not a forest yet! smile
                  1. il grand casino
                    il grand casino 28 June 2013 21: 05 New
                    0
                    Quote: matRoss
                    My assumption was purely speculative, and the terms were exaggerated by short. Moreover, this question has been pointed out to me, which seems to me that the Syrian army is fighting hr-ovo. But we wish her victory wholeheartedly!
                    PS Trees are not a forest yet! smile


                    As for the shitty fight, I agree with you all 100. They have already proved this more than once in wars with Israel. Although the conditions they have now are such that God forbid. So I think others would not be better at fighting. Well, or not much better.
                    P.S. To the wishes of victory, I join you with pleasure!
          2. yak69
            yak69 28 June 2013 18: 20 New
            +9
            Quote: matRoss
            if it were replaced by a Russian one for 2-3 weeks, what would be left of these frightened “rebels”?

            I think it’s not worth being so categorical here. It is unlikely that a twenty-year-old youth will be able to successfully fight against men from 35 and above. After 45, a normal man becomes quite seasoned in battle. Hence the big losses on our part in Chechen companies. We have youths, and in spirits wolves are evil and inveterate. Yes, of course, it seems that they won in the Caucasus (although I can’t consider it a victory - given the current situation in the North Caucasus and Chechnya especially - when Kadyrov’s fighters instead of “Serving Russia!” Shout “Allahu Akbar!” (ﷲ اكبر , Allāhu Akbar)). Moreover, given the arrogant behavior of immigrants from the Caucasus in Moscow and throughout the country. When they arrange shooting from a car and dancing in the middle of the road, I generally doubt - who won whom and whom?
            And about those who are serving in the army today, I would generally not speak loudly. They are good guys, but their fighters are doubtful. They still need to grow up and get stronger. Therefore, I believe that, in case of war, the defense will be held by professional soldiers and those who are 35 and older.
            Therefore, when it comes to the Russian army, it is necessary to be specific about who we are talking about - if about Special Forces units, then yes - two GRU brigades would be enough to "appease" all the "rebels" in Syria. Especially when you consider that the GRAND Special Vostok Special Battalion consisted of Chechen boshkarez alone, who proved to be very effective in the 2008 anti-Georgian company. The Georgians threw their weapons and scratched without looking back from their positions, only hearing that these battalions were approaching. After this company, Korabelnikov was dismissed and all these battalions were transferred from the GRU to the ground forces and part of the Ministry of Internal Affairs.
            Did it stool, on the orders of the iPhone.
            1. matross
              matross 28 June 2013 19: 58 New
              +6
              Quote: yak69
              It is unlikely that a twenty-year-old youth will be able to successfully fight against men from 35 and above. After 45, a normal man becomes quite seasoned in battle. Hence the big losses on our part in Chechen companies.

              Sorry, I strongly disagree with you. 45-year-old man really becomes a mother in battle. But, I do not know your age, you try to drag him into this fight! Only in the event of a war such as the Patriotic War. Yes here! However, read the memoirs of veterans of any war - "war is the work of the young, a cure for wrinkles!" (V. Tsoi). Physical and moral stress in the war is much easier to carry 20-year-olds!
              Now for Chechnya. Our great losses were not connected with the fact that the children fought with adults !!! This is the result of the incompetent command and planning of the leadership of the Armed Forces in the person of P. Grachev and others like him, the result of the widespread use of combined units that have not undergone the slightest degree of combat putting together, the result of games of political prostitutes who made peace with the Czechs at the slightest success of our troops, the result of the absence of Complete Absence - the interaction of units of RA, VV, FSK (at that time) and the police. It was this divinity that led to the shame of Khasavyurt. This is I for the 1-th war said. Well, in the second, many mistakes were taken into account - the losses became much less, and the result is better.
              Phew, damn it, I signed it today. It's my opinion. It is based, in part, of course, on personal experience, as well as the experience of my friends and even "not so friends" wink
              1. yak69
                yak69 28 June 2013 20: 34 New
                +2
                Quote: matRoss
                Physical and moral stress in the war is much easier to bear 20 years!

                Here I agree completely, BUT. Today's young and young in the 41st, these are completely different people. Those physically strong guys from collective farms and factories, Komsomol members who wholeheartedly love their Soviet homeland, and today’s, these are Hollywood, Pepsi, Doshirak and party! I am talking about the mass, and not about those who fought in the Caucasus. I have no doubt that in case of war their worldview can change and they can become real warriors, only now ... if they have time!
                Quote: matRoss
                I don’t know your age, you try to drag him into this fight!

                I’m a lot over 50, but I’m not losing shape - mountains, scuba gear, forest, wing-chun. As for the Second World War, remember the partisans. It was a formidable and very powerful force. Most of the elders were there.
                Quote: matRoss
                Our big losses are connected ... .. the untalented command and planning of the leadership of the Armed Forces in the person of P. Grachev and others like him,

                I won’t even argue here, because I know more than what has been voiced in the press on this topic. These bloody games were directed from abroad, performed by those who “watched” them like a redhead and a birch with the hands of a drunken puppet, Yeltsman, Mercedes Pasha and others.
                1. matross
                  matross 28 June 2013 20: 57 New
                  +1
                  Quote: yak69
                  I have a lot for 50, but I don’t lose my form - mountains, scuba gear, forest, vin-chun.

                  You can be envied. But, unfortunately, you are more likely an exception. I don’t know what Wing Chun is, but I think it’s a good thing! wink
                  Although I had in mind psychology rather than physical condition. 20-year-olds are not afraid to die, because you still have not really learned what life is!
                  Quote: yak69
                  they can become real warriors, only now ... if they have time!

                  I’m afraid that in case of a serious matter no one will be in time! So God forbid!
                  1. yak69
                    yak69 28 June 2013 21: 19 New
                    +3
                    Quote: matRoss
                    20 years old is not scared to die, because you have not yet really learned what life is!

                    Here I do not agree. It’s not scary for us to die - at least some other benefit can be gained by protecting the country and our relatives. Yes, and behind a lot, ahead, only the inevitable old age and death. At this age, a normal person dies with a sense of honestly fulfilled duty - satisfied, but it is a pity for young people to die - I have not really seen anything yet, I have not tried life as it should.
                    1. matross
                      matross 28 June 2013 21: 28 New
                      +1
                      Quote: yak69
                      This is not scary for us to die

                      Psychologists say the opposite. But I won’t argue. There is probably individual variation. It was nice to exchange opinions hi
                      1. yak69
                        yak69 28 June 2013 23: 31 New
                        0
                        Quote: matRoss
                        It was nice to exchange opinions

                        hi
            2. vkrav
              vkrav 29 June 2013 00: 52 New
              0
              Somewhere infa that in the average age of the soldiers who returned from the Second World War - 43goda ...
          3. Scoun
            Scoun 28 June 2013 19: 10 New
            +4
            Quote: matRoss
            These yeah ... the dashing warriors ... a little che - eat it right away! That's even interesting, with all due respect to the Syrian army

            In fact, you’re not quite right, or even without thoroughly writing like that .... there were reports about how the Syrians volunteered .. and they went on the assault first without armor and protection ..
            I think if the old messages of the Sith Lord look, there is this video report. in any country there are real people and there is foam .. such as for example a relative of Bondarchuk
            for a beautiful set of words from the beloved of youth .. ...
            I am terribly annoyed by our law enforcement agencies with their respectful attitude towards society. I am sure that if you swap cops and lads, living in the country will become safer and easier. Unlike most cops, bandits have at least some principles. The police can do whatever she wants, and there is no government for her.

            I am also being taken out by the impudent, straightforward and stupid propaganda of the army, which none of the young people need.

            The snickering army ranks are terribly annoying, who, coming out of sophisticated wheelbarrows with guards, claim that <9 companies> is an anti-patriotic movie. I don’t answer anything to them, realizing that it’s useless to mess with uncles who have machine guns and almost unlimited power in their hands.

            The military enlistment office never ran after me.
            I have been there 150 times, and 150 times they have taken me out of there for health reasons. I did not pay any money for this, but not at all from fundamental considerations. I have a great understanding for people who, by all legal and illegal means, otmazyvatsya from the <honorable debt>. Service in our army does not relate to the defense of the Fatherland. Protecting a country and serving in a useless idiotic structure called "army" are two different things.
            (constantin hooks - from the film 9-I company)
            Meanwhile, our guys are not reading this major ...
            peacekeepers died and then our guys forced Saakashvulli to peace in a few days ... and this glamorous GMO broadcasts and argues from the point of view of swamp rot ...
            1. matross
              matross 28 June 2013 20: 37 New
              +1
              Quote: Scoun
              in any country there are real people and there is foam ..

              It is obvious. I spoke only about the fact that the Arabs as a whole are bad soldiers. Examples? Arab-Israeli wars would be enough. But there was still Iraq. Arab armies can only fight relatively effectively with the Arab armies. Examples? Iran-Iraq. Mentality, sir!
              Quote: Scoun
              (constantin hooks - from the film 9-I company)
              Meanwhile, our guys are not reading this major ...

              Be lenient towards the creative intelligentsia laughing
              Did you like the movie?
              1. Scoun
                Scoun 1 July 2013 09: 51 New
                0
                Quote: matRoss
                Did you like the movie?

                Only saw the passage .. the film has not yet watched and I do not know whether I will watch it.
                There are different reviews and such ..
                http://forum.drom.ru/all/1247610.html
        2. Airman
          Airman 28 June 2013 18: 56 New
          0
          Quote: Nevsky
          Quote: fugas
          I will take the barrel in my hands and go to the trench, but I will fight for my land and relatives ...


          But whether this is the homeland ??)))


          Many people are now popular expression, they say I will not fight for Abramovich and Putin, but for your hearth and family, then yes! It’s interesting to me, they will directly fire from the apartment and from the sofa, or will they volunteer to fight for their homeland far beyond the borders of their region ?! Of course, I exaggerate, but not all, and many, when talking further, say this: let them shove here, they say we know our area well.... In short rely on such hard. It is unclear at what stage they will join the army, will they be a classic militia, if so, where will they defend? Directly in the vastness of our great Motherland, or they will wait for the adversary on their street in three houses, where everything is simple and familiar .... what

          It seems to me, the expression: "I will not win for this power (country), ...." The initial phrase, as if the liberals came up with ... But today everyone interprets it as you like, and as he wants. In peacetime, everyone swears that although they will not put their heads for the Government, but for any country, yes! But only harsh (God forbid) realities will be able to confirm these words. And then you look at the refugees of Syria, which the Ministry of Emergencies takes out on board, men there sometimes reach 25% of the total .... This is my personal subjective opinion.


          With such power, there will simply be nothing to fight, the RS-20 was blown up, the tanks were cut, the aircraft disposed of. Remained AKM and F-1. For arming partisans and militias.
        3. Scoun
          Scoun 28 June 2013 19: 05 New
          +3
          Quote: Nevsky
          Of course, I exaggerate, but not all, and many, when talking further, say this: let them stick here, they say we know our area well .... In short, rely on such hard

          It’s hard, but I think it’s possible .. our partisans in both 1812 and 1941-1943 shed a lot of blood for adversaries.
        4. Suhov
          Suhov 28 June 2013 23: 24 New
          0
          Quote: Nevsky
          But only harsh (God forbid) realities can confirm these words.

          Or disprove.
          hi
      2. experienced
        experienced 28 June 2013 10: 18 New
        +7
        Quote: fugas
        But whether this is the homeland ??)))

        I understand that I spoke out “clumsily”, I’ll try to clarify. Drawing a parallel between the Great Patriotic War and pah-pah-pah, if the war tomorrow I understand that then people really went to fight for their homeland, called on peasants and workers and engineers and party members and officials, I don’t even mention nationality and religion and they all understood why go to war. Now there is a split in the country, a big difference in incomes, they are trying to divide us on a religious basis, by nationality ...
        Look who's joining the army now? How “mowers” ​​feel at ease, here’s the answer to you Who will fight, and not those who answered beautiful question on the questionnaire on the street or on the phone hi
        I don’t know, here I am, like that dog, that understands something, but cannot say recourse
        Threat from Nevsky did not expect anything else winked
        1. Nevsky
          Nevsky 28 June 2013 10: 21 New
          +1
          Threat from Nevsky did not expect anything else winked


          What am I again to blame? request
          1. SSR
            SSR 28 June 2013 21: 57 New
            +1
            Quote: seasoned
            Threat from Nevsky did not expect anything else

            Quote: Nevsky
            What am I again to blame?

            Opposites are attracted))) interesting to you verbal battles sharp with emotional insanity)))))
            And it won’t hurt everyone .. mnu including. )))
          2. Mercenary
            Mercenary 28 June 2013 22: 28 New
            +1
            do not offend NEVSKI he is cool without him it would be boring here.
        2. ziqzaq
          ziqzaq 28 June 2013 11: 20 New
          13
          Quote: seasoned
          Now there is a split in the country, a big difference in incomes, they are trying to divide us on a religious basis, by nationality ...

          Split, non-split, still there is what h.r.e.nol what difference does it make?
          Communists, liberals or whatever, what's the difference?
          War, of course, no one wants it, like a washcloth in a bathhouse, it will wash away all the dirt ..
          This is to the fact that someone dumps, let the road dumps the tablecloth, less than UBL.Yu.
          And yet:
          A bad world is better than a good war .......
          1. Dimy4
            Dimy4 28 June 2013 12: 00 New
            +3
            Pure truth. A thin world is better than a good quarrel.
        3. domokl
          domokl 28 June 2013 11: 32 New
          24
          Quote: seasoned
          Look who's joining the army now? How “mowers” ​​feel at ease, here’s the answer to who will fight,

          It may sound paradoxical now, but most of the volunteers did not take part in the Second World War. And they wanted to live no less than now.
          The mowers very quickly turn into soldiers in battle. After the first corpse or the first deserter shot. No commander will wipe the snot under the bullets.
      3. Ross
        Ross 28 June 2013 11: 17 New
        13
        Quote: fugas
        I will take the barrel in my hands and go to the trench, but I will fight for my land and relatives ...


        But whether this is the homeland ??)))


        Exactly! I have no doubt - at the right time, many genes wake up and the enemy will not be good.
        1. Semen Semyonitch
          Semen Semyonitch 28 June 2013 13: 54 New
          +6
          Quote: Ross
          Quote: fugas
          I will take the barrel in my hands and go to the trench, but I will fight for my land and relatives ...


          But whether this is the homeland ??)))


          Exactly! I have no doubt - at the right time, many genes wake up and the enemy will not be good.

          Genes don't wake up. Noble rage wakes up that boils like a wave drinks
        2. танк
          танк 28 June 2013 14: 21 New
          +9
          Genes are not genes, in fact, there will be no choice, everything will fight, it’s better than sitting in a concentration camp and waiting for better times there that will not come ...
          Yes, and who will fight with us in the open ??? WWII showed who's sharpening the fuss here and who is fighting. Thanks to the grandfathers!
          1. Ross
            Ross 29 June 2013 01: 39 New
            +2
            Quote: tank
            Genes are not genes, in fact, there will be no choice, everything will fight, it’s better than sitting in a concentration camp and waiting for better times there that will not come ...
            Yes, and who will fight with us in the open ??? WWII showed who's sharpening the fuss here and who is fighting. Thanks to the grandfathers!


            Read the notes of the Arab and other authors of the 6-10 century about the Rus-great-grandfathers. In a free statement: "Peaceful and hospitable. But if you offend or deceive them, they all pile on."
      4. vladimirZ
        vladimirZ 28 June 2013 11: 39 New
        +4
        Yes, the majority "will take the barrel and go into the trenches" to defend the Motherland, BUT after all, the country's leadership and individual representatives of the generals, led by secret levers of power from across the ocean, keeping their billions there, families living there for permanent residence, and someone for an elementary the loot "will hand over all those who will be" in the trenches. "
        The experience of the Chechen and Georgian wars of 2008 is a prime example: surrendering winning positions on orders from above, "moving the General Staff from one building to another at the time of hostilities," the absence of an unknown minister of defense as the freshly remembered Serdyukov on 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX. But you never know how many reasons can be found to justify their betrayal.
        1. танк
          танк 28 June 2013 14: 26 New
          +1
          The first steps have already been taken, AMERICAN planes, in any case, are already quietly flying over the Kaliningrad region, without any consequences. I can imagine how he will be made a hero at home ...


          http://ria.ru/incidents/20130627/946194736.html
          1. vsa-xnumx
            vsa-xnumx 28 June 2013 15: 59 New
            +3
            tank (2)
            AMERICAN planes ..... calmly fly over the Kaliningrad region,


            Again, we overslept, we must shoot down!
            1. Airman
              Airman 28 June 2013 19: 10 New
              +3
              Quote: vsa-7
              tank (2)
              AMERICAN planes ..... calmly fly over the Kaliningrad region,


              Again, we overslept, we must shoot down!


              Yes, do not overslept, but delayed ... and. And as always, they were waiting for a team from Moscow. And if the "friends" knew that ANY unauthorized entry into the territory of the Russian Federation of any ship (air, sea) threatens with destruction, then there would be no sea poaching and ygheitybq air lines.
      5. Semen Semyonitch
        Semen Semyonitch 28 June 2013 13: 48 New
        0
        Quote: fugas
        I will take the barrel in my hands and go to the trench, but I will fight for my land and relatives ...


        But whether this is the homeland ??)))

        I didn’t manage to read your post, but answered practically word for word hi
      6. Gari
        Gari 28 June 2013 17: 24 New
        +1
        Quote: fugas
        I will take the barrel in my hands and go to the trench, but I will fight for my land and relatives ...
        But whether this is the homeland ??)))



        Of course - your own home, your own land, your friends and relatives - Homeland and it's all permanent
      7. NSG42
        NSG42 29 June 2013 06: 43 New
        +1
        We will go to the detachment, and ahead, in the trenches in front of us, all the oligarchs and those who sold our homeland will fight.
    2. sergey32
      sergey32 28 June 2013 10: 03 New
      24
      The power is changing, the homeland remains.
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        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 28 June 2013 10: 26 New
          12
          Quote: ksandr45
          Let's count now 7.

          You regiment collect from Saita Military Review laughing Admin Smirnov in the regiment, he will write out orders instead of bans wassat
          1. experienced
            experienced 28 June 2013 10: 35 New
            10
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Admin Smirnov in the regiment, he will write out orders instead of bans

            I already know the political laughing
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 28 June 2013 10: 41 New
              +5
              Quote: seasoned
              I already know the political

              They’ll shoot such a political officer laughing
              1. domokl
                domokl 28 June 2013 11: 34 New
                +2
                lol and they will be right ... But in the beginning forward with a revolver ... laughing
            2. avant-garde
              avant-garde 28 June 2013 10: 47 New
              +3
              Quote: seasoned
              I already know the political

              We also need a deputy politra, otherwise it’s not like without a front repeat
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 28 June 2013 10: 58 New
                +4
                Quote: avant-garde
                I need another deputy politra,

                This one is also on the site, Igor67 has a clean medical in 5 liter cans wink
                1. avant-garde
                  avant-garde 28 June 2013 11: 00 New
                  0
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  This is also on the site,

                  Pancake crying
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 28 June 2013 11: 03 New
                    0
                    Quote: avant-garde
                    Pancake

                    Smailik not confused laughing
                    1. avant-garde
                      avant-garde 28 June 2013 11: 05 New
                      +5
                      I do not think so laughingFriday cant wait for the end of the day wassat and you are talking about 5 liter, without a knife laughing
                2. ded10041948
                  ded10041948 28 June 2013 12: 00 New
                  +2
                  What are you teasing? I will choke on drooling!
              2. Bort radist
                Bort radist 28 June 2013 13: 48 New
                +1
                Quote: avant-garde
                We also need a deputy politra, otherwise it’s not like without a front

                Why a deputy, clean half a liter no in modern conditions, only a half a liter will raise ________ (insert the necessary) laughing
          2. Bort radist
            Bort radist 28 June 2013 13: 43 New
            +1
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            orders will be issued

            So there are no outfits in modern charters !? or I missed something.
            1. matross
              matross 28 June 2013 15: 20 New
              +4
              Quote: Bort Radist
              So there are no outfits in modern charters !?

              Come on! How not? What is there? They put in a corner? Or is a smartphone taken away? wassat
          3. Semen Semyonitch
            Semen Semyonitch 28 June 2013 13: 59 New
            0
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Quote: ksandr45
            Let's count now 7.

            You regiment collect from Saita Military Review laughing Admin Smirnov in the regiment, he will write out orders instead of bans wassat

            In World of tanks? soldier
          4. redwar6
            redwar6 28 June 2013 15: 13 New
            +1
            I’m only fit the son of the regiment)
      2. potterz
        potterz 28 June 2013 13: 17 New
        0
        Golden words!
      3. The centurion
        The centurion 28 June 2013 17: 53 New
        +1
        Quote: sergey32
        Power changes, HOMELAND remains

        Field Marshal Saltykov said three centuries ago the classic phrase: “With patriotism in Russia it was always bad, every fifth ready patriot, every fifth ready traitor, and three out of five like a guano in an ice hole, depending on what kind of king. If the king is a patriot, then they seem to be patriots, if the king is a traitor, then they are always ready. ” For three centuries, nothing has changed, now the same thing. Facts: please. I quote from the Levada Center survey (how to treat these and other surveys is everyone’s business, but attach your life experience and get about the same result).
        - 29% of respondents would go to the front by conscription, 20% - volunteers. Every tenth (9%) would try to go to a safe country, another 19% doubt that they would be called up. Difficult to answer 23% of respondents.
      4. bear
        bear 28 June 2013 23: 04 New
        +1
        faster she would have changed
    3. FATEMOGAN
      FATEMOGAN 28 June 2013 10: 10 New
      +7
      Quote: seasoned
      I don’t believe these polls and all these polling offices only do loot,

      Especially when all these "independent" studies are done for denyuzhku uncle Sam and his henchmen:
      "The analytical center of Yuri Levada," according to the Prosecutor General, can be considered a foreign agent. The center received funds from the USA, Italy, Poland, Great Britain and Korea.
    4. ed65b
      ed65b 28 June 2013 10: 17 New
      +7
      Do not be a pessimist fighting. At 41-45, they fought and will now do the same, or do you think that you fought on the fronts entirely trained soldiers? And the militiamen of far from conscription age did not lay bones under the cities?
      1. Bort radist
        Bort radist 28 June 2013 13: 51 New
        0
        Quote: ed65b
        Do not be a pessimist fighting.

        Somewhere I heard that 18 year olds are fighting better, due to the lack of fear of death. Not formed yet.
      2. Vadivak
        Vadivak 28 June 2013 14: 31 New
        +5
        Quote: ed65b
        At 41-45 they fought


        Then all the same, the upbringing was a bit completely different, and don’t forget that you are communicating on the Military Review website, and don’t excuse me from the “odnotrahnikami”, there is still a contingent from either former or sympathizing
        1. matross
          matross 28 June 2013 15: 30 New
          +1
          Quote: Vadivak
          there is still a contingent of either former or sympathizing

          There will come a need - and we will meet unhappy classmates in the trenches! The main thing is that in their own! wink
          But seriously - in case of war, I think there will be a little who wants to slope. A common misfortune, a threat rallying. Psychologically, I want to be "among my own." Again, the Russian mentality - in peacetime, we can’t hate our own people, but if you do something, we’ll break the fuck-up of the adversary!
        2. ed65b
          ed65b 28 June 2013 17: 40 New
          0
          Oddly enough, I am not on social networks. laughing
    5. ksandr45
      ksandr45 28 June 2013 10: 21 New
      +9
      And I’ll climb into the trench, for the Motherland, for Grandfather who has gone through the entire Great Patriotic War and the Japanese company. And another 5-6 I can tell you who will go. Let's count now 7.
      1. ded10041948
        ded10041948 28 June 2013 12: 05 New
        +8
        Add me. Although age will not allow to run into the attack (although, as you know, it will press - I’ll run away, how nice!), But I know the weapon, and I have not forgotten how to use it yet.
    6. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 28 June 2013 10: 24 New
      10
      Quote: seasoned
      I do not believe these polls and all these polling offices only do loot

      Hello Lech! It’s not even a matter of dough, it depends on who is being interviewed, if plankton is office in Moscow, then everything is clear. Take the outback and the results will be different. And indeed, in peacetime, few people think about the warrior in syrenia; everyone has different plans and personal lives hi
      1. experienced
        experienced 28 June 2013 10: 28 New
        +6
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        . And indeed, in peacetime, few people think about the warrior in syrenia; everyone has different plans and personal lives

        And many people realize that if a war really happened, then you won’t have to fight, there the ICBMs and missile defense will “fight” between themselves and another planet will become lifeless or even one planet less winked
        1. 755962
          755962 28 June 2013 10: 37 New
          +4
          In local wars with guerrilla tactics, yes ...

          Alexey is right ...
          Quote: seasoned
          if the war really happened, then you won’t have to fight, there the ICBMs and missile defense will “fight” between themselves

          Touch the "Big Schucher" ... you won’t reach the military commissariat .. you won’t have time.
          1. sasha.28blaga
            sasha.28blaga 28 June 2013 10: 48 New
            +4
            All who are called will go and run. No one has forgotten about detachments yet, and the fascists prove the effectiveness of this structure.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 28 June 2013 11: 02 New
              +4
              Quote: sasha.28blaga
              All who are called will go and run.

              As they wrote above, there will be no one to shoot, only ash will be around you
              1. Babon
                Babon 28 June 2013 11: 11 New
                12
                Speaking seriously, Russia is capable of turning the entire globe into ashes. It is a pity the traitors in the government wound up, they ruined such a country, with such a zone of influence. I’ve now settled on Western sites, here young Europeans “quite calmly” write- “Russians are the lower white race,” “Mongols,” “they must be sent back to Mongolia.” Just a question, are we the ones who attacked them? it seems there have always been invasions from the west. Are we to blame for the fact that we defeated them? By the way, I watched a French film about Napoleon, he won all the battles in Russia. He just came to us with 600 army, and 000 somehow escaped through the Berezina. But Napoleon always defeated us at the same time, somehow they think so.
                1. PValery53
                  PValery53 28 June 2013 13: 26 New
                  +7
                  "young gay men" write quite calmly - "Russians are the lower white race", "Mongols", "you need to send back to Mongolia" "- it is useful to answer these opinions of youths from Europe:" You yourself are worthless, and to Great Russia like you "to the pigs to heaven. The time will come, and you, the bastards, will ask for mercy from the Russians."
                2. EwgenyZ
                  EwgenyZ 28 June 2013 15: 00 New
                  +7
                  Here’s how these “superhuman” people behave in a critical situation: “Many of us would not be alive. Heavy machine guns, grenade launchers and other weapons were sent to us, and we had almost no chances,” said Captain Eyre, commander of the British Marines. , after being released from Iranian captivity in 2007. Presenting such words from the lips of Major Peter Gavrilov (the head of the defense of the Brest Fortress) is simply nonsense, but for these already the norm (the captain was praised for such a pragmatic act)! That’s the whole difference between them and us. They are only movie heroes ....
              2. does it
                does it 28 June 2013 11: 59 New
                +1
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                As they wrote above, there will be no one to shoot, only ash will be around you

                It depends on whom we will fight ...
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 28 June 2013 14: 47 New
                  +1
                  Quote: kvirit

                  It depends on whom we will fight ...

                  And what in the case of World 3 do you have options?
                  1. does it
                    does it 28 June 2013 21: 31 New
                    0
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    And what in the case of World 3 do you have options?

                    The Chinese do not need the infected territories. Yes, and I think others also would not want to walk on the contaminated land stuffed with resources.
              3. Vadivak
                Vadivak 28 June 2013 14: 36 New
                +4
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                there will be no one to shoot, only ash will be around you


                It’s obvious that they didn’t teach you how to leave the nuclear explosion zone while holding the machine gun on outstretched arms so that the metal does not drip onto the boots

                Hi Sasha smile
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 28 June 2013 14: 47 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Vadivak
                  It’s obvious that they didn’t teach you how to leave the nuclear explosion zone while holding the machine gun on outstretched arms so that the metal does not drip onto the boots

                  You are mistaken, a flash from the left, a flash from the right, I remember for life laughing
                  Hi Vadim hi
                  1. Babon
                    Babon 28 June 2013 14: 50 New
                    0
                    But seriously, a flash on the left, a flash on the right?
                    1. Alexander Romanov
                      Alexander Romanov 28 June 2013 16: 02 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Babon
                      But seriously, a flash on the left, a flash on the right?

                      The one who served, he saw her wink
                  2. Babon
                    Babon 28 June 2013 14: 55 New
                    +1
                    Alexander, you have such an imperial surname, have you really served in the hot years? Emperors are not by status!
                    1. Alexander Romanov
                      Alexander Romanov 28 June 2013 16: 03 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Babon
                      Alexander, you have such an imperial surname, have you really served in the hot years?

                      1994-96 DMB
                      1. Babon
                        Babon 28 June 2013 17: 45 New
                        +1
                        It is clear, well, I 2001-2001 DMB, Dembilnulsya, also not by personal desire.
              4. 755962
                755962 28 June 2013 19: 53 New
                +1
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                only ash will be around you

                Well, if it’s not Duc ...
                1. does it
                  does it 28 June 2013 21: 46 New
                  +1
                  Quote: 755962
                  Well, if it’s not Duc ...

                  The whole world was lit up, open to all people, And meteorites fell from the sky. Seeing the snake flashing in the bow, the Worlds together with Indra cried in flour: Karna did not know what the gods saw: The snake turned into an arrow by the power of yoga! other indian epic MahabharataI could not resist! since this book describes a meteor shower.
                  1. Thunderbolt
                    Thunderbolt 28 June 2013 22: 10 New
                    +1
                    Quote: kvirit
                    The snake turned into an arrow by the power of yoga!
                    a snake in Indian mythology is a symbol of sleeping energy inside a person (kundalini) If the snake woke up, it means that there is more God on earth. The Indians in their sacred texts described the events and phenomena of the inner world. And to describe it somehow put the scene in the outside world is so close and understandable to an ordinary person.
        2. domokl
          domokl 28 June 2013 11: 37 New
          +3
          Quote: seasoned
          And many people realize that if a war really happened, then you don’t have to fight, there the ICBMs and missile defense will “fight” between themselves

          Until the simple soldier’s eggs hang over the enemy’s trench, the battle is not won and not lost.
          1. vladimir VR
            vladimir VR 29 June 2013 07: 10 New
            0
            Victory is determined by the actual seizure of enemy territory.
      2. Nikolski1973
        Nikolski1973 28 June 2013 12: 10 New
        +1
        And politicians also have plans for us on the territory, plans for loot. It is not up to us to be or not to be war. And so, as usual, the workers and peasants will fight with weapons in their hands.
    7. Babon
      Babon 28 June 2013 11: 00 New
      +2
      Yes, the feelings are contradictory, if they call me, of course, I’ll go to defend, but I don’t feel like breaking straight in the front ranks. I can only go to a military factory to work for food; weapons must also be created. But I have a lot of acquaintances who are engaged in making dough, you think a person whose goals in life is Mercedes. Holidays on the islands, and a big bank account wants to protect the homeland? I’m talking and somehow it’s not like, it doesn’t concern them, they are busy making dough.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 28 June 2013 11: 05 New
        +5
        Quote: Babon
        I can only go to a military factory to work for food; weapons must also be created.

        It is necessary, but you will go where you are called. Start learning to pull a gas mask for a while wink
        1. Babon
          Babon 28 June 2013 11: 16 New
          +2
          Alexander, I’ve put on a gas mask many times for a while, and the OZK, too, and I had it in my hands, I’m already 30 years old. You always need to learn, all your life. Rather, you have to go in for sports, pull yourself up a bit.
      2. Egoza
        Egoza 28 June 2013 17: 24 New
        +3
        Quote: Babon
        But I have a lot of acquaintances who are engaged in making dough, you think a person whose goals in life is Mercedes. Holidays on the islands, and a big bank account wants to protect the homeland?

        And let such 6 go forward. Let them surrender and crush the enemy with a mass. The main thing is not to let them back later! laughing
    8. vladimirZ
      vladimirZ 28 June 2013 12: 06 New
      10
      "... more than half of the respondents (52%) are sure that the Soviet people are the main merit in the victory in the Great Patriotic War, 6% of the respondents assign this role to Joseph Stalin ..." - from the article.

      The poll is incorrect. There is an old parable who will defeat a flock of rams led by a lion or a group of lions headed by a ram.
      Everything in the war matters and the people and their leader, the party rallied and organized the people to fight, to military operations, who were able to organize, during the retreat, the transfer of industry to the east and the establishment of military products there.
      Great merit of Stalin I.V. in the industrialization of the country, the organization of the military-industrial complex, the creation of a new army, the organization of the struggle of the people and the army against the entire fascist Europe. And in this multifaceted work of his it is naturally impossible without mistakes, but the main thing Stalin was able to do was prepare the state, the people for the World War. If Joseph Vissarionovich would not have been able to do this, then the people themselves simply could not organize a rebuff to the enemy. And no other leader of that time could do this. Thank God that Russia - the USSR at that time had such a leader as Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin.
    9. Semen Semyonitch
      Semen Semyonitch 28 June 2013 13: 47 New
      +2
      experienced RU Today, 09:58
      .... During the Second World War, the people fought for their homeland, now fight for whom? It is clear that if an aggressor happens, it will attack and I will take the barrel in my hands and go into the trench, but I will fight for my land and my relatives ...

      And you do not associate your land and relatives with the word Homeland?
      1. Bort radist
        Bort radist 28 June 2013 13: 56 New
        +2
        Quote: Semen Semenych
        And you do not associate your land and relatives with the word Homeland?

        "Currant jam,
        This is the same Motherland "
        A 12 year old girl wrote.
        1. Semen Semyonitch
          Semen Semyonitch 28 June 2013 14: 07 New
          +2
          Quote: Bort Radist
          Quote: Semen Semenych
          And you do not associate your land and relatives with the word Homeland?

          "Currant jam,
          This is the same Motherland "
          A 12 year old girl wrote.

          We develop the girl’s thought. Jam from currants, which grows up with my grandmother in the village, on my Motherland (grandmother’s and granddaughter’s) land. For my homeland, it means for my homeland!
          1. Bort radist
            Bort radist 28 June 2013 14: 20 New
            +1
            Quote: Semen Semenych
            We develop the girl’s thought. Jam from currants, which grows with her grandmother in the village, on Rodnaya (grandmother’s and granddaughter’s) land

            Which with his grandfather collected in places that his father showed ....
            Genetic memory.
    10. Belogor
      Belogor 28 June 2013 13: 52 New
      +2
      During the Second World War, the people fought for their homeland, now fight for whom?
      And what is the concept of MOTHERLAND now canceled? Are people born in space now? People with a civil position, the concept of Homeland is always there and will be and they will protect it. It seems to me that the words Motherland and Mother are very close in spirit. They don’t choose their homeland either. Or how??
      1. Semen Semyonitch
        Semen Semyonitch 28 June 2013 14: 11 New
        0
        Quote: Belogor
        During the Second World War, the people fought for their homeland, now fight for whom?
        And what is the concept of MOTHERLAND now canceled? Are people born in space now? People with a civil position, the concept of Homeland is always there and will be and they will protect it. It seems to me that the words Motherland and Mother are very close in spirit. They don’t choose their homeland either. Or how??

        + good
    11. nekromonger
      nekromonger 28 June 2013 14: 19 New
      0
      and after two years of sweeping leaves, they will gain a lot? The question is in the methodology, and not in the length of stay.
    12. vostok1982
      vostok1982 28 June 2013 14: 37 New
      +2
      Do you think then there were no people who said that he would go to fight for his homeland, and hell with two for the commissars? Or even earlier, there was no one who was saying goodbye that I wouldn’t like to die for the tsar, but would I go for the homeland?
    13. Arrogant
      Arrogant 28 June 2013 15: 43 New
      +1
      Found an article about who and how will fight
      http://ari.ru/news/018d937ed
      encourages the ending of the article
    14. Apostle
      Apostle 28 June 2013 16: 20 New
      +1
      There are millions of different polls on the basis of which statistics are born, but there is one thing but: neither me, none of my friends participated in one of them ... where and who conducts them remains a mystery to me, and publishing what is always profitable remained the priority of all the media ... I personally would go, for the homeland, for loved ones, for a peaceful sky !!!
      (I want to believe this social "poll", I want to believe that turnout in the military commissar will be 100%)
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    16. nickname 1 and 2
      nickname 1 and 2 28 June 2013 16: 55 New
      +1
      Quote: seasoned
      fight for whom? It is clear that if an aggressor happens, it will attack and I will take the barrel in my hands and go into the trench, but I will fight for my land and my relatives ...


      Whoa! and I will go and fight for the same!

      and we don’t need anyone else, in the sense of doubters drinks
    17. sergaivenski
      sergaivenski 28 June 2013 19: 50 New
      0
      I totally agree with you !!! What can you teach a soldier in one year of service now? To wash the sex in the barracks !!! Personally, I don’t believe in statistics for a long time (!), And even controlled !!! And I deeply despise those who It used to scream at party meetings of the CPSU that they are communists, and now, at other gatherings, they claim that they are the Socialist-Revolutionaries, Yabloko,
      United Russia, liberal democrats, and so on. All these gorlopans and Hitler would serve,
      they do not care!!!
    18. Kolya
      Kolya 28 June 2013 21: 22 New
      0
      I am sure that those who answered “move to a safe zone” are also inclined to answer “Stalin and the Party are to blame for the failures,” although they are really to blame. If these did not sit out in the rear, the Nazis would not have reached Moscow.
      When you start to think about such things, you understand that you cannot force these “prisoners” without foreign troops. What people are now, they were like that then.
    19. Arthur 775
      Arthur 775 28 June 2013 22: 02 New
      +1
      I agree with you, all these questions are for talkers. The system that was completely destroyed during the union. Dosaaf, the situation is not so hot in the army. The army has been serving for 1 year. And many are simply sick.
      But for some reason, I think if thunder strikes, we will take it out, but we will definitely take it out! It’s best to fight with us !!! soldier
    20. psdf
      psdf 28 June 2013 22: 23 New
      0
      Quote: seasoned
      I do not believe these polls, and all these polling offices only do loot, successfully compiling questions and conducting a survey among such segments of the population so that the answers satisfy the customer who pays.

      We must not forget that there are also polls aimed at shaping public opinion.
    21. dmitrich
      dmitrich 29 June 2013 05: 58 New
      0
      Levada Center Propin Dosovskaya organization.
  2. Nevsky
    Nevsky 28 June 2013 09: 58 New
    +7
    We will recover from the crumbs ... but the spirit of liberalism is still strong, so we need not to slow down on building up real sovereignty. soldier
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 28 June 2013 12: 08 New
      0
      Quote: Nevsky
      We must not slow down the buildup of real sovereignty.
      Joining the WTO ?! belay
  3. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 28 June 2013 10: 00 New
    +9
    "One in ten (9%) would try to leave for a safe country,"

    Well, here’s the fifth column, about 14 million, a bit too much.
    1. Vtel
      Vtel 28 June 2013 10: 06 New
      +6
      One can even guess which one, because there is their original homeland, and Russia is a feeding trough for them.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 28 June 2013 10: 28 New
      10
      Quote: Vladimirets
      "One in ten (9%) would try to leave for a safe country,"

      Hello Vladimir! And where will they find a safe country in the conditions of 3 world what No tickets to Mars at the box office wassat
      1. experienced
        experienced 28 June 2013 10: 38 New
        +6
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        And where will they find a safe country in the conditions of World War 3 There are no tickets at the box office for Mars

        Well, yes, because a month before the rockets fly, this will be announced so that these 9% have time to get visas, pack up and fly to "safe countries" laughing
      2. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 28 June 2013 10: 46 New
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        And where will they find a safe country in the conditions of 3 world

        They probably hope that there will not be enough missiles on Franz Joseph land. wink
        Alexander, hi
      3. Babon
        Babon 28 June 2013 11: 24 New
        +2
        You can find the country of Nepal, in any case it will be safe, But to live there without electricity, and indeed without everything, almost like on the street. will they want?
        1. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 28 June 2013 11: 35 New
          +1
          Quote: Babon
          You can find the country of Nepal

          Is this where the children are made Nepalese and Nepal? wink
          1. Babon
            Babon 28 June 2013 11: 39 New
            +2
            Well, to joke, there is such a country. Just a friend went there to rest, it is officially allowed to piss in the middle of the street, with all. There is almost no electricity. it’s just that if a military convoy passes through their country, it will be much more expensive than occupying them.
        2. fisherman
          fisherman 28 June 2013 17: 14 New
          0
          eh ... it's hard for them to be there

          there the parasites do not take root
      4. knn54
        knn54 28 June 2013 12: 26 New
        +1
        -Alexander Romanov: And where will they find a safe country in the conditions of the 3rd world ...
        Do you believe that they will begin to destroy their real estate, banks (where their money is), universities, where their children / grandchildren study ... But they are capable of shooting in the back ...
        And who will explain to me how to defend the homeland without protecting the state?
        PS Some patriots think that they are ready to voluntarily fight, but they are not ready to die voluntarily. This is not a computer shooter.
        And it’s sad that some of those who answered “yes” answered so only to clear their conscience ...
    3. sasha.28blaga
      sasha.28blaga 28 June 2013 10: 49 New
      +6
      And the fifth column will be driven ahead of all along the minefield. They just don’t understand where they are climbing, they think hi-hahanki.
    4. domokl
      domokl 28 June 2013 11: 51 New
      +3
      Quote: Vladimirets
      , about 14 million, a bit too much.

      There are two comments, the survey was conducted by Levada (America, therefore) the center, and the second, children and the elderly do not count. This means a maximum of 4-6 million.
      And the second ... A safe country can be only one or its own. Homeland ... In any other scenario, this is called betrayal. With the appropriate reaction
    5. teodorh
      teodorh 28 June 2013 13: 56 New
      0
      Another 40 million pensioners.
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  4. pa_nik
    pa_nik 28 June 2013 10: 05 New
    +4
    Why doesn’t the question of restoring the institute of military training at school and military training! request True, it was a question of reviving the TRP complex .. And so - in addition to having a professional army, I also need to prepare civilians for a possible .., say, situation, emergency, this can be called either a war or a man-made disaster. So that people do not get lost and are ready to protect their lives, loved ones and, of course, stand up for their homeland hi
    1. Volkhov
      Volkhov 28 June 2013 10: 20 New
      +1
      Because the mob stock went to Africa and Syria, before the White had guns, and the Negro had spears, now the other way round - every Negro has a Kalash, and the authoritative ones have a DShK.
    2. Bort radist
      Bort radist 28 June 2013 14: 02 New
      +1
      Quote: pa_nik
      military training at school and military training !?

      Military gatherings of 10 graders of about 15 years are held, but somewhere did not stop. In grades 10-11, "Fundamentals of military service." True, the material base is not the same, but the boys in 25-30 seconds. AK disassemble, assemble.
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  5. avant-garde
    avant-garde 28 June 2013 10: 12 New
    +7
    Get up, the country is huge,
    Get up on a mortal battle
    With dark fascist power,
    With a damned horde!

    God forbid, of course, something like this will sparkle, I think even an oblique, lame one will take AK and go to defend his homeland. Right now, that song you hear goose bumps!
    1. kosmos84
      kosmos84 28 June 2013 10: 57 New
      +3
      in tachil I have on a flash drive
  6. Renat
    Renat 28 June 2013 10: 12 New
    +2
    God forbid war, the whole army will again become a worker - peasant. That's all the statistics.
    1. Bort radist
      Bort radist 28 June 2013 14: 04 New
      0
      Quote: Renat
      God forbid war, the whole army will again become a worker - peasant.

      She was always calm and was, in our country!
    2. sergaivenski
      sergaivenski 28 June 2013 20: 06 New
      0
      All these "clowns" hanging around in the rear became heroes immediately after the end of the Great Patriotic War !!! Both ranks and posts after the end of the Great Patriotic War did not offend their loved ones !!! And, having ruined the USSR, these "hands (s) the drivers were left "in chocolate" !!! And should they be trusted at all? All their polls are complete rubbish !!!
  7. Manager
    Manager 28 June 2013 10: 19 New
    11
    Start a war, everyone will fight. Regardless of wishes.
    The main reason is that in the war they will either kill you (and your loved ones) or you will kill.
    Reduce to simple ..... either you or you. So all these polls are bullshit. In the polls, simply no one wants a war or does not understand what it is. Yu. Budanov said so ... - Either we kill these devils or they will kill us! That’s the whole war!
    1. Bezarius
      Bezarius 28 June 2013 10: 37 New
      +7
      So it is, unlike any other nations, we will not be left alive, my story will be a witness to me.
      1. sasha.28blaga
        sasha.28blaga 28 June 2013 10: 53 New
        +1
        I also sometimes think about it, if our grandfathers, great-grandfathers, ancestors finished off the enemy in his house in bed to the last, then who would remain on the planet.
  8. ed65b
    ed65b 28 June 2013 10: 20 New
    11
    We have, as always, until the thunder strikes, a man crosses himself. How close all will go under the gun. Russia as an anthill will live by one soul and faith but will win. The whole story shows this, and even the great turmoil could not overcome us.
  9. treskoed
    treskoed 28 June 2013 10: 24 New
    +4
    29% of respondents would go to the front on conscription, 20% - volunteers.

    PROMISED - NOT MARRYING! All these polls and statistics are sheer crafty!
  10. Cyril7377
    Cyril7377 28 June 2013 10: 24 New
    +7
    Quote: Renat
    God forbid war, the whole army will again become a worker - peasant. That's all the statistics.

    Maybe for the better? All the “good” will emerge and will be carried away by the current ... we will remain :) it will be easier for us then
    1. fisherman
      fisherman 28 June 2013 17: 23 New
      +2
      could not resist put a plus, although I do not agree with the method (speed) :)

      It seems to me that the “theory of small affairs” should be in first place, that is, it is advisable for the whole society to cleanse themselves of these Hitrov parasites every day, albeit a little (evolutionary method)

      although I admit that the revolutionary method has the same direction (purification), but faster, more blood by definition
  11. Colonel
    Colonel 28 June 2013 10: 25 New
    +1
    more than half of the respondents (52%) are sure that the Soviet people belong to the main merit in the victory in the Great Patriotic War
    , okay, take the next 5 and 6 percent, add. Total 63 percent. What do the remaining 37 percent of respondents think ??? And this is in Russia. I wonder if in 41m they would conduct such a survey, as now?
  12. pensioner
    pensioner 28 June 2013 10: 31 New
    +2
    The number of those who are ready to fight for the Motherland is growing

    The troubled times are passing by, passing ... And the title of this article is another confirmation of this. Russia has always possessed the unique property of rebirth, restoration of its greatness. It is a pity, such processes are proceeding slowly ... Is it that Stalin ... But where can you find this now?
  13. gansik
    gansik 28 June 2013 10: 33 New
    -2
    Empty chatter
  14. Bezarius
    Bezarius 28 June 2013 10: 35 New
    0
    Well, you see enlightenment comes to the crowd. A few more years, and finally understand that Stalin was slow to respond to Hitler's attack in a timely manner by the fact that he expected the "allies" to participate in the attack along with the fascists. Because they wove intrigues, and with all their might tried to pit Germany and the USSR and themselves were not ready to snatch a piece.

    Regarding the fact that the army was "bled", even the enemy wrote that it was the purges that strengthened the red army.
  15. serg.
    serg. 555 28 June 2013 10: 50 New
    +1
    First, the Red Army to Paris, London, then it to Moscow.
  16. Evgeniy46
    Evgeniy46 28 June 2013 11: 00 New
    0
    96% of the population somehow support the USSR in that war. If we take the country's population roughly speaking for 144 million, then 0.04 * 144000000 = 5756000 against. A bit too much
  17. logik
    logik 28 June 2013 11: 07 New
    0
    I don’t know how anyone, but I’ll go to the trench in any place where they say that my sons would see me only with a shield in their hands, well, or the second option (of course, undesirable)
  18. KononAV
    KononAV 28 June 2013 11: 09 New
    0
    There will be no such wars
  19. logik
    logik 28 June 2013 11: 11 New
    +2
    Quote: Cyril7377
    we will stay :) it will be easier for us then

    there is always a ballast, liberals appear when nothing threatens the country, with the threat of liberals for some reason
  20. Russ69
    Russ69 28 June 2013 11: 17 New
    +6
    If something serious begins, even without nuclear weapons, then all the dealings will change in an instant. It is the white collars that no one will need. Who will pay during the war to all these designers, advertisers, insurers, dealers, brokers and others. They are just the first and will be at a trough, and then the worldview will change quickly.
    1. SASCHAmIXEEW
      SASCHAmIXEEW 28 June 2013 17: 07 New
      +1
      If God forbid, it starts, everyone in the trenches will be ... how cute!
  21. logik
    logik 28 June 2013 11: 17 New
    +2
    Quote: KononAV
    There will be no such wars

    look at Syria. Such wars will be for a long time.
  22. LaGlobal
    LaGlobal 28 June 2013 11: 28 New
    +2
    half of the respondents declared their readiness to defend the homeland: 29%


    - I enter this number of respondents!
  23. leon-iv
    leon-iv 28 June 2013 11: 34 New
    +6
    I’ll not be naive.
    The agenda will come soapy accessories with you and the military enlistment office cheerfully. Otherwise, forced labor or to the wall. Naivek damn think they are still rallying against the war wassat
    1. Manager
      Manager 28 June 2013 11: 57 New
      11
      Quote: leon-iv
      I’ll not be naive.
      The agenda will come soapy accessories with you and the military enlistment office cheerfully. Otherwise, forced labor or to the wall. Naivek damn think they are still rallying against the war


      This is all clear.
      I think the question is different. In the mood. Many are stupidly afraid, and from that they come up with excuses, they say for whom to fight>? For Putin or what? Or they say I'm the only breadwinner in the family. It must be clearly understood that the war does not ask anyone who wants what. You just need to configure yourself. You need to understand that either you or you. That the enemy would not reach your wife, mother, children, etc.
      You need to configure yourself and your loved ones. What would happen if you go to the front, knowing and understanding that you will fight for your life and your loved ones. You need to understand that all enemies within the country are retreating, and after the victory we will restore order in the polytechnic and we will live as winners in our country!
      You need to go to the front only with such thoughts! This is better than going like a cowardly sheep, I don’t understand where, for what, why, and pissing from fear along the way! We need to remember all the ancestors! It must be remembered that a man is not just horseradish on legs, I apologize! In general, everything is in our hands and nothing more! There is always a choice! Either go and fight for everything that you dorgo and it is possible to stay alive winner, or die a coward with a small letter! As the Vikings say, our fate has long been written on top! And fear only interferes with it! Generally be men! Wars!
      1. leon-iv
        leon-iv 28 June 2013 12: 01 New
        +1
        ek you bent)))) aki political officer wassat
        1. Manager
          Manager 28 June 2013 12: 06 New
          +1
          Quote: leon-iv
          ek you bent)))) aki political officer


          Just the film "Braveheart" - 33 times watched))))
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 28 June 2013 22: 35 New
            0
            Quote: Manager
            Just the film "Braveheart" - 33 times watched))))

            Elves vs. Orcs is your "brave heart."
  24. Stiletto
    Stiletto 28 June 2013 11: 54 New
    +5
    Personally, I would go with pleasure to the partisans, and to death I would fight for my city and home. "Homeland" today is already too abstract a concept that has little to do with what happened in 1941. Several of my friends went to Chechnya "For Homeland", now one without legs doesn’t need anyone, and the cemetery has replenished with two knolls with the flags of the Airborne Forces. So what is the homeland, which today feeds the Caucasus “from the belly”, builds skyscrapers in Grozny and arranges tours of world celebrities there, tell mothers who have lost their sons and live far from being in glass Grozny city, but in rural ruins? The hero of Russia with us is Ramzan Kadyrov. And these guys, it turns out, then who ?!
  25. lawyer
    lawyer 28 June 2013 11: 54 New
    +5
    Good day to all! I’m personally going to fight, although it’s hearing impaired, the main thing is the legs, and all the whiners went to hell, otherwise you look and hid behind a committee of mothers and human rights activists, I think that every man should not give up his duty.
  26. Duelist
    Duelist 28 June 2013 12: 00 New
    +4
    I don’t care which% of men are ready, like me, to defend the Homeland (Homeland for me: my family, loved ones, the earth and the graves of my ancestors ... - the Motherland, not the TITLE of the political system and the system itself). But I do not care how many different bushes ready to betray the homeland! Our problems are in "Ivanes who do not remember themselves" and people living in Russia, but who do not identify with it.
  27. Sergey13
    Sergey13 28 June 2013 12: 16 New
    +2
    During the Second World War, there were also many who were dissatisfied with the authorities, nevertheless, they fought for their homeland and honestly fought, of course there were lousy sheep who became policemen and traitors, it doesn’t matter from hatred of the existing government or from fear, and now, God forbid, there will be both. As for interest, it’s again, so that a shadow can be put on the fence. I am sure that everyone on this site would go to fight for their children, for their parents, for their house, and this is their homeland. And who doesn’t want to clean the harrows to one place and mine fields.
  28. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 28 June 2013 12: 35 New
    +2
    all the calculations that Russia will rise popularly to defense in the event of war is just a propaganda trick. Nobody in modern Russia (I mean power) will allow to arm a huge number of people, because in case of victory, there is a big enough chance that the victorious people will not want to put up with this power. There is no certainty in the authorities that they will not be swept away. So if the war happened now, the government will prefer to surrender on certain conditions, or to escape to where their savings are hidden, but not to arm the people.
    1. Hleb
      Hleb 28 June 2013 13: 59 New
      +3
      the authorities will prefer to surrender on certain conditions, or to flee to where their savings are hidden, but not to arm the people.

      of you occasionally such nonsense climbs ...
    2. SASCHAmIXEEW
      SASCHAmIXEEW 28 June 2013 17: 12 New
      +2
      DO NOT give up, nor let us run away, everyone will get according to his own business !!!
  29. 9k72
    9k72 28 June 2013 12: 38 New
    +2
    Comrades, you think how much we, RUSSIANs, are fighting! Basically, defending our land, our MOTHERLAND! Building a house, raising a son, planting a tree is all clear, but there is nothing more honorable for a RUSSIAN man to win or lay down his head for his homeland!
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 28 June 2013 21: 37 New
      0
      Quote: 9k72
      raise a son, plant a tree

      And most importantly - do not confuse one with the other wassat
  30. Sergey13
    Sergey13 28 June 2013 12: 39 New
    0
    The title of the article would be changed to "The number of members of the forum willing to fight for their homeland is growing" fellow
  31. lawyer
    lawyer 28 June 2013 12: 50 New
    +1
    all peaks, liberals, whiners must be sent to 1 line of defense so that they are destroyed first, otherwise parades are held and everyone praises them who did not go to serve that wall and all that.
  32. JonnyT
    JonnyT 28 June 2013 13: 00 New
    +1
    Blevada center however?
    And where did he interview all this? In large cities such as Moscow and St. Petersburg? Yes, there are all sorts of muddy personalities!
    Do not forget about the villages of the village and small towns, there are no liberals, as there is no doubt about the defense of the Motherland !!!
    I'm from the village myself! And I know for sure that with her everyone will defend the Motherland!
  33. denkastro
    denkastro 28 June 2013 13: 04 New
    +4
    You need to start fighting for your homeland now. You need to quit smoking, thirst and all that (for those who haven't quit yet). Start taking care of our children (not to state the nod, they say you quit everything, but yourself). And when God forbid, the time will come to defend their country, they will not torment unnecessary questions. A healthy person, spiritually and physically, cannot help but love his homeland.
    1. Hleb
      Hleb 28 June 2013 14: 32 New
      +2
      A healthy person spiritually and physically cannot help but love his homeland.
      great said! and the wimp will always find a reason and will sit back and wait until the power changes
    2. SASCHAmIXEEW
      SASCHAmIXEEW 28 June 2013 17: 15 New
      +1
      You are 1000% right !!!!! +++++++
    3. fisherman
      fisherman 28 June 2013 17: 30 New
      0
      "the words are not a boy, but a husband"
  34. family
    family tree 28 June 2013 13: 08 New
    +2
    I think the question is different. In the mood. Many are stupidly afraid, and from that they come up with excuses, they say for whom to fight>? For Putin or what?
    At least pump it up. Until the neighbor catches the bullet, until the sidekick is put together in parts, until you get angry, there will be no mood. And then it will be, only less for, but more against, if you survive of course.
    No one in modern Russia (I mean power) will allow to arm a huge number of people
    Someone will be allowed to ask, during the war, weapons are issued, lost, located, sold, bought, taken away, stolen, teleported, hell knows where and just grows in the forest, like mushrooms laughing
  35. deputy ___ watered
    deputy ___ watered 28 June 2013 13: 25 New
    +1
    I don’t know how and who conducted this survey, what categories were surveyed. I conducted a similar survey in 2 units after watching the film "Brest Fortress". Of the more than 60 people surveyed, only 3 people checked that they would try to evade tasks at the forefront. While in an interview with these servicemen, some claimed that "Lenin is an international terrorist," and "World War II began in 1938."
  36. Sochi
    Sochi 28 June 2013 13: 31 New
    +2
    It’s not necessary to fight for Putin, the oligarchs, officials ... The rulers and others like them come and go, but the people remain - for the people, clan, family, children, and we must go into battle !!!
  37. sys-1985
    sys-1985 28 June 2013 13: 32 New
    +4
    Many will go .. in Russia we have it in the blood .. soldier
  38. pavlo007
    pavlo007 28 June 2013 13: 43 New
    +2
    What are you guys? What stupid talk? If something happens, no one will ask anyone - they will pull it out by the scruff of the neck, put the machine gun in their hands and put the FSB officers behind them with machine guns. That’s all. And we will fight as cute for Abramovich and Co., and Putin will sit, sip wine by the fireplace, fuck the kabaeva and pet the dog. This will have to be done not from an ideological attitude, but for the reason that it will give at least an illusory chance to survive.

    It has always been this way, IN ALL COUNTRIES, including very democratic
  39. Black
    Black 28 June 2013 14: 15 New
    +2
    Some respondents explain the great losses and defeats in the first months of the war by the surprise attacks of the enemy (37%)

    Does Svetka Bukina know and use the word “surprise”?
    Shit ..- all these left-wing questioning. If something happens, we’ll all go, but who won’t go, we’ll drive !!!
  40. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 28 June 2013 14: 20 New
    +6
    Here I read the comments and was sad. What do you want me to do? I only assembled and disassembled the machine gun at the NVP school, shot only from the PM, served in the construction battalion and besides holding MSL and the scalpel I did not hold anything in my hands. Do you want to cut? smile
    Of course, in melee MSL is a terrible force, but I think everyone remembers the conditions necessary for entering into hand-to-hand combat? hi
    1. Hleb
      Hleb 28 June 2013 14: 28 New
      0
      like that? as well as all. inoin the construction battalion is braver and more honest than the one who "slept" with a gun.
  41. Kelnot
    Kelnot 28 June 2013 14: 24 New
    0
    they forgot to count me! I'll go to war too! soldier
  42. Hleb
    Hleb 28 June 2013 14: 42 New
    0
    and who will tell you, a survey was conducted on the site: served, did not serve?
    1. 2k11
      2k11 28 June 2013 16: 54 New
      +1
      As far as I remember, such a survey was not conducted
      And the point is not only whether or not he served, but the "quality" of the service, both urgent and in reserve

      Because without regular retraining, skills are lost and much more ..

      I’ll take myself as an example:
      yes served 17 years ago, senior operator of a medium-range air defense guidance station

      so now from me in this quality of benefit I think even less than 0 will be ...
    2. pensioner
      pensioner 28 June 2013 20: 05 New
      +1
      Well, I did not serve, for example. And I do not hide. And not because he could not. Just in 1980 he entered the physics (!) Faculty of Ural State University. Gorky, who graduated in 1985. And with physical education I was fine. Record in the 100m race. - 12,2 (and this is in 1978, i.e. at age 15). Gubakha-Kizel. Many people knew me there at that time. Maybe someone is on our site from there ... Worked in science (including military programs), taught cadets at a military school (physics), worked in the military-industrial complex (... I don’t want to fuck, although I still blabbed before ...). And what? I have no right to hang here, what? well, tell me, service people - I’ll dump it !! No problem!
      1. Bort radist
        Bort radist 28 June 2013 21: 00 New
        0
        Quote: retired
        I have no right to hang here, what? Well, tell me, service people - I’ll dump it !! No problem!

        Yura, stay! in the category of partisans. good drinks
        1. pensioner
          pensioner 28 June 2013 22: 55 New
          0
          Quote: Bort Radist
          Yura, stay! in the category of partisans.

          Okay ... Persuaded ... I will stay ... So be it. But the Chief Partisan !!
      2. Hleb
        Hleb 28 June 2013 23: 02 New
        0
        And what? I have no right to hang here, what?
        there was no talk about it
        1. pensioner
          pensioner 28 June 2013 23: 05 New
          0
          Gleb hi! just Gennady Golovkin from Kazakhstan Pole knocked out !!
          1. Hleb
            Hleb 28 June 2013 23: 23 New
            0
            hi! there’s no way to see. and Gena, yes, okay. he’s generally one of the strongest middleweights. he’s probably the strongest (except for Ward in the super middleweight) by the way with Brit
            1. pensioner
              pensioner 28 June 2013 23: 27 New
              0
              Gene is cool! there are no bazaars!
              1. Hleb
                Hleb 29 June 2013 19: 15 New
                0
                Yuri, you again mislead the people) I’m racking my brains without access to the video, well, like with a Pole and why on Friday. He fights with a shave tomorrow, and there was a fight with a Pole last year. And you are here
                just

                wink
  43. ObnaPur
    ObnaPur 28 June 2013 14: 49 New
    0
    Does the Levada Center try to make excuses after the Swamp? Hmm Typical shniki. This is not the first poll from Blevada, similar to pro-government propaganda.
  44. bubla5
    bubla5 28 June 2013 15: 12 New
    -2
    Bluff, where is she homeland, Moscow or something
    1. Manager
      Manager 28 June 2013 15: 40 New
      0
      Quote: bubla5
      Bluff, where is she homeland, Moscow or something

      What about the family? What about the house? Yes, and in any case, you understand. You will not kill, they will kill you. You are not illusions that you will bypass the war.
  45. FunkschNNX
    FunkschNNX 28 June 2013 15: 44 New
    +1
    The opinion of the townsfolk about serious historical moments is a dubious indicator. If it reflects something, it’s only the one whose propaganda is currently winning.
    But I am glad that healthy patriotism is gaining momentum.
  46. soldier's grandson
    soldier's grandson 28 June 2013 16: 33 New
    0
    You can defeat any enemy only with the unity that was during the USSR and now there is no hope for the Caucasus, and so it is in full swing and who else remains? Asians are not in the subject Belarus seems to be with us will be
    1. George
      George 28 June 2013 21: 52 New
      0
      Quote: soldier's grandson
      You can defeat any enemy only with the unity that was during the USSR and now there is no hope for the Caucasus, and so it is in full swing and who else remains? Asians are not in the subject Belarus seems to be with us will be

      When the war begins, they will not babysit anyone, and all petty crimes will become grave, but for grave execution on the spot. The Caucasus and the USSR (during the Second World War) were in full swing, only Stalin removed all the scum with a moment and sent it to Kazakhstan to cool.
  47. soldier's grandson
    soldier's grandson 28 June 2013 16: 34 New
    0
    Quote: bubla5
    Bluff, where is she homeland, Moscow or something

    yes there is now the greatest friendship of peoples
  48. Tektor
    Tektor 28 June 2013 16: 51 New
    0
    The overall structure won: power plus people. You cannot isolate one thing.
    Losses in the outbreak of the war are associated with a predominance of Wehrmacht experience, with poor logistics (delivery of fuels and lubricants, spare parts, etc.). And also with the need to recognize the states and arrogance that Hitler started the war ... Stalin believed that otherwise the Anglo-Saxons would only help the fascists. Although, even in this case, Lend-Lease supplies were resumed only at the end of 1941, when the Red Army proved its combat effectiveness. Prior to this, the German army was considered invincible. Hitler was helped without interruption until the opening of the second front in 1944, when they realized the whole danger of Hitler’s retaliation weapon. And when Hitler declared war on the states. Hitler could have caused unacceptable damage to the states, but he was “out of luck” and did not have time, although he began to use weapons of mass destruction from the Battle of Kursk when they first used high-power charges: one charge (black sun) - one regiment.
    1. family
      family tree 28 June 2013 19: 24 New
      +1
      Quote: Tektor
      And when Hitler declared war on the states. Hitler could have inflicted unacceptable damage on the states, but he was “out of luck” and didn’t have time, although he began to use weapons of mass destruction from the Battle of Kursk, when they first used high-power charges: one charge (black sun) - one regiment.
      belay ??
  49. Bokdan1700
    Bokdan1700 28 June 2013 16: 57 New
    +7
    The Russian Spirit is still here! Born Russian is a fate and a great honor that must be proudly carried!
  50. Fedych
    Fedych 28 June 2013 17: 22 New
    +1
    And when was it not there? - earlier, within the walls of the Kremlin at the expense of Russia and Rusichs (for me this concept is wider than the passport data of the past), and now, all of Moscow is a large passage through the Kremlin and its walls are dilapidated. And again, Rusich, that is, a conscious and reasonable representative of his people, and understanding the subtleties of the East’s business, that you need to live in friendship, but sacredly take care of your own, how exactly does one doing this or that, for the time and time of his voluntary and consciously intelligent self-change. Will it not be? —Conscious Russian-Russian Orthodoxy, there will be simple and naked Russification and the transformation of everyone and everything into the dung of the often worthless Kremlin power! —And there will be a rollback and a retreat, for the Russians, like the Jews, were given both strength and power and success and by Grace Above and for higher, not only earthly purposes. We have long forgotten this, it’s already been over 0 years ago. And since then we have constantly had kickbacks, rolls and rolls. He who does not remember his Origins does not know himself and himself! - who, where and where to lead, can lead and lead, wandering in the dark. Here we are looking for the sources of our spiritual strength of our ancestors of the present, and not book, ideological Orthodoxy imprisoned under the earthly, lusty and proud ambitions of the authorities of this day. Today the people, these are plebs of Rome of the period of gladiators and only. Neither the people nor the princes in the light of the Evenings, none of them have the wisdom we need today. In official Russia, it, for many hundreds of years and netuti, and it could not be. Read the letters of sv. Ignatia Bryanchaninova ep. Kavzaz mid-200th century, at least, the chosen ones. and see what else is in the middle. In the 19th century in Russia there was neither a living faith, nor a living aspiration, even in the monasteries of that time with difficulty met. So today, for free, we won’t get out of the swamp in the lungs, for this is not possible. It’s time to fight here, it’s very difficult