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Eurasian political science. What will the US do with Kyrgyzstan for exile from the Manas airbase

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Kyrgyz President Almazbek Atambayev signed a law on the denunciation of the lease agreement for the US Manas airbase. Less than a week ago, a similar decision was made by the national parliament, the Zhogorku Kenesh.


It is noteworthy that on the day when the Kyrgyz parliament made a decision on denunciation, a whole Donald Rumsfeld flew to Bishkek, who conducted private consultations outside the city.

So, the formal procedures for expulsion are executed - the United States must obey the decision and leave the Manas air base. This is if you think in the framework of the legal field. But I doubt that the Americans will silently agree to leave such an attractive aircraft. Especially on the eve of the withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan, which is scheduled for 2014 year.

Consequently, further US actions in the region will be non-legal in nature. There is only one strategy for potential base preservation - instability in the republic, against the background of which the presence / absence of US troops no longer matters. Obviously, in the case of the implementation of a non-legal scenario, the Kyrgyz authorities alone will simply not cope with the situation. And then it will be a matter not only for Kyrgyzstan, but also for the allies.

In fact, there are not so many scenarios for the unlawful preservation of the air base.

Legal nihilism

Considering that Kyrgyzstan is a sovereign state that is not bound by any military-political obligations except membership in the CSTO (which today is not a military-political union in the full sense of the word), the United States may simply not implement the decision on denunciation.

According to a similar scheme, the States retain Guantanamo in Cuba, despite the fact that the Cuban side refuses to accept rent and has repeatedly made attempts to denounce the agreement from 1934.

The scenario itself is unlikely and most likely will be implemented simultaneously with other, more stringent.

Socio-political conflict along the North-South line

The internal threat of Kyrgyzstan lies in the weak integration between the regions. In fact, the South is cut off from the North, where the capital is located. Over the 20 years of national development, the contrast in socio-economic development between regions increased, and the distant elites of the South view territories as their own fiefdoms.

Additionally, the situation is aggravated by the fact that Kyrgyzstan is a parliamentary republic with a penchant for generic politics. Accordingly, the central government, whether it wants it or not, is forced to balance between the interests of elite groups.

Also, we must not forget that it is in the South that the resource, electoral and organizational base of exiled President Bakiyev, who lives hostage in Minsk, is located. And if the factor of Bakiyev himself is not to be overestimated, then the elites of the South, who were removed from power after his expulsion, are directly interested in a rematch.

Provocative political conflict along the North-South axis is the most promising scenario for the United States and unpleasant for Kyrgyzstan.

As we could see less than a month ago using the example of Kumtor, the socio-economic situation in the republic is such that provoking a riot is not that difficult. And in the situation of a regional-geographical split of elites, even that is easier.

Interethnic Conflicts

The second risk zone is ethnic enclaves in the territory of Kyrgyzstan, Tajik and Uzbeks. The enclaves are the jurisdiction of Tajikistan and Uzbekistan, but they are accessed through the territory of Kyrgyzstan. Given, to put it mildly, the unfriendly policy of Tashkent towards Bishkek, the explosiveness of the enclaves should not be underestimated. In addition, at the beginning of this year, we observed an exacerbation just around the Sox enclave. Given that Tajikistan has an open border with Afghanistan, the Tajik enclaves in Kyrgyzstan should be considered as potential sources of chaos exports.

Greater Afghanistan: Tajikistan + Uzbekistan + Kyrgyzstan

In general, the scenario of preserving Manas for the United States will be built within the strategy of withdrawing troops from Afghanistan. Now we can assume that the ultimate goal of the withdrawal of US troops and allies is the resumption of the civil war in Afghanistan.

It is clear that no Karzai will hold any power, at least throughout the territory. Accordingly, in the Afghan history will begin to draw all the neighboring states. Tajikistan and Uzbekistan, which directly border Afghanistan, are in the area of ​​primary risk. In the context of the implementation of the “Greater Afghanistan” project, where Tashkent and Dushanbe, Kyrgyzstan, and especially its severed South, are supposed to enter the zone of direct risk.

With all the need to denounce the agreement on the lease of the Manas airbase, this decision made it necessary for the United States to fight for the preservation of the springboard by illegal means. What we saw in the Sokh enclave at the beginning of the year, at the Kumtor mine and on the closed Osh-Bishkek road, should be viewed as a rehearsal for destabilizing Kyrgyzstan.

Too many regional players, both inside and outside the republic, are interested in destabilization. For the deployment of full-scale actions there was not enough interest of the main actor, which appeared after the denunciation of the agreement on "Manas".

However, in our case, the stability of Kyrgyzstan is exclusively a union case. Because the integration attractiveness of the Customs and Eurasian Unions will depend on the fate of the integration of the republic. The viability of the future Eurasian Union will depend on how the Allies will help Kyrgyzstan to cope with the challenges of the described scenarios.
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  1. Nick
    Nick 29 June 2013 07: 43 New
    17
    After reading the article, I wondered how so quickly America lost its image of a model of democracy and human rights, having received in return an image-antipode, the image of a country for which the right, in the broad sense of the word, exists only to violate it.
    1. APASUS
      APASUS 29 June 2013 12: 25 New
      0
      Quote: Nick
      law, in the broad sense of the word, exists only to violate it.

      Just "right" transformed into a club which can drive intractable countries!
      I can bet that now the country's rating will drop dramatically in all kinds of democratic ratings and in the near future the United States will begin to be interested in human rights in Kyrgyzstan.
      1. Vovka levka
        Vovka levka 29 June 2013 14: 48 New
        -2
        Quote: APASUS

        Just "right" transformed into a club which can drive intractable countries!
        I can bet that now the country's rating will drop dramatically in all kinds of democratic ratings and in the near future the United States will begin to be interested in human rights in Kyrgyzstan.

        The base will be withdrawn, and they will leave Afghanistan. And the head will hurt in Russia and it will hurt badly. As they say, for which they fought for something ran. Of course, many people will receive medals for a successful operation, but there will be little joy, because these are only flowers. And the berries, this is China and he will not miss his chance.
        The choice is made, as mistaken on me. America is far and China is near.
        1. slas
          slas 30 June 2013 00: 36 New
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          Quote: Vovka Levka
          The base will be withdrawn, and they will leave Afghanistan. And the head will hurt in Russia and it will hurt badly.

          And now that does not hurt?
          1. Vovka levka
            Vovka levka 1 July 2013 01: 55 New
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            Quote: slas

            And now that does not hurt?

            Will hurt even more.
    2. smile
      smile 29 June 2013 12: 29 New
      +6
      Nick
      Yes, they never had this image. The creation of this myth is the goal of their propaganda in order to justify any actions of the father of planetary democracy, and only people affected by this propaganda believe in this myth. And fewer believers in my opinion. doesn’t become - this is how we have oligophrenics who believe in MMM .... human idiocy is indestructible ...
      There is only one country where the United States themselves believe it almost completely ... indeed - as if they had built ray towers in their own home, as in the Strugatsky’s Inhabited Island ...
    3. Apologet.Ru
      Apologet.Ru 29 June 2013 14: 51 New
      0
      Quote: Nick
      for which law, in the broad sense of the word, exists only in order to violate it.

      Unfortunately, this is only a view from the outside! And for P. Indostanians themselves - “A true gentleman is the master of his word - he can give it, but he can take it back.” Here P.indostan and every day proves to everyone his "noble" origin ...
    4. Hleb
      Hleb 29 June 2013 15: 01 New
      0
      I wondered how America so quickly lost its image of a model of democracy and human rights.

      hmm ... still:"Moscow promised Bishkek to give $ 1 billion 100 million for the rearmament of the army. According to the publication, this was not about a loan."
      in Israel, Britain ... doesn’t lose for some reason
    5. Wedmak
      Wedmak 29 June 2013 19: 40 New
      0
      The image has lost, but how many countries are ready to admit it and, accordingly, talk with the United States. You can count on the fingers of one hand.
    6. slas
      slas 30 June 2013 00: 33 New
      0
      Quote: Nick
      After reading the article, I wondered how America so quickly lost its image of a model of democracy and human rights.

      Was there a boy ever? )))
  2. RUSmen
    RUSmen 29 June 2013 07: 57 New
    +7
    Amer as a "goat put into the garden", it has long been clear, but not everyone understands this fool or do not want to understand for green pieces of paper.
  3. Denis
    Denis 29 June 2013 08: 00 New
    +2
    How not to say money is coming for Russia
    I want small and only financial
  4. JIaIIoTb
    JIaIIoTb 29 June 2013 08: 00 New
    +3
    Now Amer will spoil the Kyrgyz.
    1. the polar
      the polar 29 June 2013 08: 38 New
      +1
      Quote: JIaIIoTb
      Now Amer will spoil the Kyrgyz.

      The Kirghiz themselves have most of all spoiled themselves. There has never been a state of “Kyrgyzstan” or “Kazakhstan” or “Tajikistan” in World History, but there were nomadic tribes under the Russian protectorate. All of them are still culturally and morally not ripe for the possibility of creating viable sovereign, independent states. And over the past twenty years, the Kyrgyz and Tajiks have returned to the Middle Ages again, showing that CIVILIZATION is not the ability to use the technical achievements of enlightened states, but a qualitatively new cultural and moral maturation of the tribal mentality, to the level of the national and state.
      1. Semurg
        Semurg 29 June 2013 10: 03 New
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        Quote: Polar
        Quote: JIaIIoTb
        Now Amer will spoil the Kyrgyz.

        The Kirghiz themselves have most of all spoiled themselves. There has never been a state of “Kyrgyzstan” or “Kazakhstan” or “Tajikistan” in World History, but there were nomadic tribes under the Russian protectorate. All of them are still culturally and morally not ripe for the possibility of creating viable sovereign, independent states. And over the past twenty years, the Kyrgyz and Tajiks have returned to the Middle Ages again, showing that CIVILIZATION is not the ability to use the technical achievements of enlightened states, but a qualitatively new cultural and moral maturation of the tribal mentality, to the level of the national and state.

        Kyrgyz Haganate or Khanate as a state are mentioned in ancient Chinese chronicles. Tajiks are not nomads at all and created their own states. Of all the listed, only Kazakhs (Kazaktars) as a single people realized themselves relatively recently, although as separate tribes very long ago lived on these lands and created states. Well, your position that all nations are underdeveloped except for your relatives is no different from the position of the British, French and any other Belgians who speak and write about the great civilizational mission of a white man. Interesting Russians were very happy when India fought and gained independence from England they didn’t make speeches about the mission of the white man, and as for their former suburbs, the “song of the British about poor India” immediately begins, which the local bais (rajas) will drive into the Stone Age. Kyrgyzstan, like other state. it will go its own way (India also went through three wars, decay and poverty, ethnic and religious strife, and now a respected member of the world community). As long as the Russian leadership has the wisdom to understand this and help in the formation of new states so that they remain allies or at least not the enemies of Russia. And the fact that the people themselves are the most terrible enemy for the people, is inherent in all peoples, no one can spoil the Russians more than the Russians themselves. So are the Kyrgyz-Kyrgyz, Kazakhs and Kazakhs.
        1. ed65b
          ed65b 29 June 2013 10: 30 New
          +3
          Here they remained in the kaganate, then it ended, wandered with yurts until the Uruses of the city with industry were built and cleanliness was not instilled, and they also educated. And now they are divided into Baev and dekhkans. And the Uruses are being driven to their homeland.
        2. KG_patriot_last
          KG_patriot_last 29 June 2013 10: 56 New
          +2
          great excursion. for the Kyrgyz, except for the Khakasso-Altai, there is probably no one more dear to the Kazakhs.
        3. andrejwz
          andrejwz 29 June 2013 12: 21 New
          +1
          Quote: Semurg
          mentioned in ancient Chinese chronicles

          I agree with you in the negative rating of the comment the polarWell, here is just a link to the "ancient" Chinese chronicles already sore mouth. And after many I allow myself to doubt their true antiquity.
          1. Semurg
            Semurg 29 June 2013 13: 06 New
            +2
            Quote: andrejwz
            Quote: Semurg
            mentioned in ancient Chinese chronicles

            I agree with you in the negative rating of the comment the polarWell, here is just a link to the "ancient" Chinese chronicles already sore mouth. And after many I allow myself to doubt their true antiquity.

            In the absence of a stamp, we write in simple. While these chronicles are not refuted by official science, there can be doubts about any questions.
          2. albai
            albai 29 June 2013 16: 50 New
            +2
            Do not tell. The Chinese are very bureaucratic people. And according to their chronicles from the Tang Dynasty, the Kyrgyz Embassy was sent to China no earlier than 648.http: //dic.academic.ru/dic.nsf/brokgauz_efron/52008/Kyrgyz. Read interestingly.
      2. KG_patriot_last
        KG_patriot_last 29 June 2013 10: 13 New
        +7
        Well, of course, I'm sitting here with a club, I’m going to hunt a mammoth in an hour ... maybe speculation is enough huh?
        The Kyrgyz already had statehood, and more than once. Understand that the Western scenario is not the only one possible. We had our own Orkhon-Yenisei script now they call it. We defeated East Turkestan, the state of the Uyghurs and founded our own. Then there were Mongolian vassals, like the Russian principalities, and only in the 16 century did the first contacts with Russian forces appear in modern times ...

        Well, we didn’t appear suddenly ... On the contrary, we survived a couple of genocides and decreased and lost our lands ... That's because of the small size and mountainous territory, we have difficulties with the state system and most importantly with independence ... We are not big nations now, but not even a single large nation having its own state has ever remained completely independent, sometimes it has to be someone else's vassal.

        Come to our country, see how we have here in the Middle Ages.
        1. Very old
          Very old 29 June 2013 19: 57 New
          +4
          DZHILAN, I lived in Kurmenty (Tyupsky district) for two years, I myself saw how the Kirghiz hunted mammoths. I returned to Russia, looking, and bears roam the streets. Neanderthals - they haven’t been transferred everywhere yet.
          1. albai
            albai 29 June 2013 20: 23 New
            0
            Agreed Valentine! There are enough Neanderthals everywhere. hi
      3. vostok1982
        vostok1982 29 June 2013 10: 26 New
        +1
        Until almost the 30s, those whom we now call Kazakhs were called Kyrgyz. Kyrgyz hordes roamed the gigantic expanses from the Pamirs to the Yenisei. I do not know why some of the Kyrgyz people were renamed into Kazakhs, but the fact remains.
        1. romb
          romb 29 June 2013 11: 04 New
          +8
          It is not we renamed, and you did not correctly call. This was done in order not to confuse the Cossacks in the service of the Russian Empire with the local population.
        2. FRIGATE2
          FRIGATE2 29 June 2013 13: 58 New
          +2
          Quote: vostok1982
          Until almost the 30s, those whom we now call Kazakhs were called Kyrgyz. Kyrgyz hordes roamed the gigantic expanses from the Pamirs to the Yenisei. I do not know why some of the Kyrgyz people were renamed into Kazakhs, but the fact remains.

          Stupid, Kazakhs have always been called Cossacks, kasak is a free sak from the Arabic dictionary. And Slavic Cossacks were called Cossacks, since Slavic refugees who fled from their feudal lords came to the Türks and their Russians also called them Cossacks, like they became Kazakhs
        3. Very old
          Very old 29 June 2013 19: 50 New
          +1
          Kazakhs and Kyrgyz are two different peoples, very close. Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians are different peoples, very close to other friends. By history, language, culture. And if you don’t know something, go to Wikipedia
      4. ziqzaq
        ziqzaq 29 June 2013 12: 20 New
        +2
        Quote: Polar
        The Kirghiz themselves have most of all spoiled themselves. There has never been a state of “Kyrgyzstan” or “Kazakhstan” or “Tajikistan” in World History, but there were nomadic tribes under the Russian protectorate

        Civilization was born in the east, learn history ....
        Algebra, and the numbers themselves are Arabic .....
        1. FRIGATE2
          FRIGATE2 29 June 2013 14: 05 New
          +1
          Quote: ziqzaq
          Algebra, and the numbers themselves are Arabic .....

          not Arab but Indian, Arabs traders actively promoted these numbers, as it is really convenient
        2. Setrac
          Setrac 29 June 2013 17: 20 New
          +1
          Quote: ziqzaq
          Civilization was born in the east, learn history ....
          Algebra, and the numbers themselves are Arabic .....

          Actually, modern positional calculus has come from the Slavic semi-positional calculus (what you learn from Yandex), and modern numbers have a literal analogue in the Old Slavonic language. The Arabs, however, this calculus appeared from the air and has no pre-history, but in fact is attributed by Western historians to the Arabs on the principle of "if only not Russian," and the Arabs, as it were, are also Semites.
          PySy, Where are the Arabs, and where are the Kazakhs and Kyrgyz?
      5. Setrac
        Setrac 29 June 2013 17: 08 New
        +4
        Quote: Polar
        There has never been a state of “Kyrgyzstan” or “Kazakhstan” or “Tajikistan” in World History, but there were nomadic tribes under the Russian protectorate.

        This is all debatable, all countries once appeared for the first time, so what? Refuse Russian statehood only because once, during the dinosaurs, it was not? The incitement of national hatred is a criminal offense when the competent authorities come for you do not be surprised.
        1. the polar
          the polar 29 June 2013 17: 25 New
          -4
          Quote: Setrac

          This is all debatable, all countries once appeared for the first time, so what? Refuse Russian statehood only because once, during the dinosaurs, it was not? The incitement of national hatred is a criminal offense when the competent authorities come for you do not be surprised.

          Do not confuse the penis with a finger, but the "competent authorities" with their own folly.
          You can refuse Russian statehood because you obviously do not understand the meaning of this term.
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 29 June 2013 17: 34 New
            +1
            Quote: Polar
            Do not confuse the penis with a finger, but the "competent authorities" with their own folly.
            You can refuse Russian statehood because you obviously do not understand the meaning of this term.

            I don’t know where your member is, but where is your finger, is it your idea to count the terms of the founding of this or that state, what is the difference now?
            And the difference is that pretending to spit Russian spit in Kyrgyzstan, and the Kyrgyz in response will spit not in you, but in Russian.
    2. Airman
      Airman 29 June 2013 10: 47 New
      0
      Quote: JIaIIoTb
      Now Amer will spoil the Kyrgyz.

      And ours from 2014 will supply weapons to Kyrgyzstan, and God forbid, they can be drawn into a civil war.
    3. smile
      smile 29 June 2013 12: 42 New
      +1
      JIaIIoTb
      Not only Americans will spoil them. Recently I talked with a girl whose sister works as a translator at this base. He says that the sister’s plans to leave Kyrgyzstan for us in Kaliningrad as soon as the base is minimized. But obviously they’re not going to turn off + the whole district lives at the expense of the base, and if they start squeezing the striped ones from there, all the locals will take up the forks and something worse. They have rich traditions ...
      Moreover, the author absolutely rightly mentioned the clans. It turns out that those who are dissatisfied actually have leadership in the person of the local clan oligarchy, which the Americans have bought up in the bud ... and this is already serious. And the stripes are well aware of this. should they throw firewood into the fire - and everything ... flares up.
      And it is taken into account that statehood in Kyrgyzstan rests on snot ... I believe it will not do without a fight, and I'm not sure that the current government of Kyrgyzstan will stand.
    4. Tersky
      Tersky 29 June 2013 14: 11 New
      +4
      Quote: JIaIIoTb
      Now Amer will spoil the Kyrgyz.

      Vladimir, hi ! They are not accustomed to and do not study, you better tell who they did not crap, in the world there is not a single state where these skunks would not stink ...
  5. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 29 June 2013 08: 12 New
    -7
    The Kyrgyz were always quiet..And for love with NATO, they still answer .. prostitutes damn
    1. Denis
      Denis 29 June 2013 09: 02 New
      +2
      Quote: MIKHAN
      And they will answer for love with NATO ..
      Something is poorly answered, the Kyrgyz preferential treatment when registering or citizenship of the Russian Federation
      1. ed65b
        ed65b 29 June 2013 10: 37 New
        -1
        But what about the main Kyrgyz said that according to the mentality between the Kyrgyz and the Russian there is no difference. Well, the Kazakhs are there on the side. And the Kirghiz are like us, only their faces are flatter and the section of the eyes is different. laughing
        1. KG_patriot_last
          KG_patriot_last 29 June 2013 11: 25 New
          +5
          laugh laugh, but genetic research shows us the Slavic gene drinks
          1. velikoros-xnumx
            velikoros-xnumx 29 June 2013 12: 04 New
            +3
            This, of course, is very doubtful; rather, among us Russians, it is very likely that some number of bloods of Turkic peoples is. This is normal, given the history of the formation of the Russian state with advancement beyond the Urals, with constant contacts with local tribes. Moreover, these contacts, as far as one can judge from various sources, were mostly peaceful. This was partly explained by the tolerance and hostility of the aliens (that is, Russians), partly by the fact that our peoples conducted completely different types of economic activity and interests very rarely intersected. Of course, not everything was smooth, but the massacres as it was from the Chinese towards the Uighurs did not have. Although ethnically Uighurs and Chinese are much closer than Russians and Kyrgyz.
            1. Setrac
              Setrac 29 June 2013 17: 24 New
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              Quote: velikoros-xnumx
              This is of course very doubtful.
              What does "doubtful-doubtless" have to do with it? You are told a scientific fact.
          2. ed65b
            ed65b 29 June 2013 12: 05 New
            +3
            And I don’t laugh. With the city-educated Kyrgyz, I’m always glad to have tea and coffee to talk about. I know about this more than once. And in the mountains in the villages with local Kyrgyz, I went calmly to the mountains on business, I felt calm, unlike Tajikistan.
            1. Very old
              Very old 29 June 2013 19: 38 New
              0
              ED, in the Kemin district beautiful mountains are the most
          3. FRIGATE2
            FRIGATE2 29 June 2013 14: 01 New
            +4
            Quote: KG_patriot_last
            laugh laugh, but genetic research shows us the Slavic gene

            not Slavic but Aryan
    2. KG_patriot_last
      KG_patriot_last 29 June 2013 10: 23 New
      11
      What kind of nonsense?
      1) Russia sanctioned these bases, after the terrorist attack of 11-September ... It also has a base. Also was in Uzbekistan.
      2) We do not enter NATO.
      3) We never left organizations created by Russia: CSTO, CIS, SCO ... And, accordingly, we could not speak about NATO ...
      4) When Akayev wanted to kick them out at 2005, a coup d'etat happened and they set Bakiev, the puppet and drug dealer of the United States.
      5) We overthrew Bakiyev on our own — when they put us savages through the central channels of Russia — it was a strong blow to our friendship with Russia. We overthrow a protege of the USA, and you started persecuting ...
      6) Now Atambaev is again trying to make friends with Russia - in the Kyrgyz Republic we are waiting for a friendly rection on our actions. Do not disappoint us allies again ...
      1. omsbon
        omsbon 29 June 2013 11: 38 New
        -7
        Quote: KG_patriot_last
        Do not disappoint us allies again ...

        But the fact that?
        1. velikoros-xnumx
          velikoros-xnumx 29 June 2013 12: 12 New
          +4
          omsbon "And what?"
          For all my normal, non-hypertrophic nationalism of this kind, wrangling is counterproductive and does not bring benefits to us, not to the Russians, nor to the Kirghiz. I will answer with the words of the cat Leopold from the cartoon of the same name - "let's guys live together." For the most part, our interests coincide and we have common enemies, propagating "democratic" values, casting whole nations back into the Stone Age, but with democracy. I think we have much more in common than some people want to think.
          1. omsbon
            omsbon 29 June 2013 13: 58 New
            +3
            One of my army friends, by the will of fate, ended up in permanent residence in Kyrgyzstan. I got a garden plot in the village of Chon-Kemin, built a good house on it, turned out to be a good gardener. Once he arrived at the cottage, and there the aborigine descending from the mountain with his brood settled, in the neighboring houses that belonged to the Russians, there were also new "owners". Of course his friends did not leave him, we helped with moving to St. Petersburg, with work and housing.
            Therefore, I asked what would happen if "they are disappointed again," again persecution of the remaining Russians? It has been observed in nature that a wild animal is dangerous by its malice, it is better to keep it in a cage.
            1. velikoros-xnumx
              velikoros-xnumx 30 June 2013 00: 24 New
              0
              I have nothing to answer, there are no life examples, no Russian acquaintances who lived in Kyrgyzstan, I myself have not been. but still I will remain in my opinion, despite all such incidents, all the excesses of the 90s (and the 2000s). We need to look for common ground and use these points for the benefit of both countries. There is a good saying - "Whoever remembers the old is over, and whoever forgets the two!"
      2. smile
        smile 29 June 2013 12: 52 New
        +1
        KG_patriot_last
        Come on ... all of us managed to slightly charm each other - we are you, you are us ... I hope. You will not say that you are furry and with wings, and we are spiky and with horns? :)))
        You better tell me your opinion, will you manage to do without a fight there? Can you handle it yourself? How will you calm the locals fed by the Americans? And how is it generally quiet, or is it seething slowly?
        1. KG_patriot_last
          KG_patriot_last 29 June 2013 13: 56 New
          +5
          We do not have such an American problem, in any case, no more than any state in the world.
          And the Chinese threat about which the Russian media speak is not true, it is no more than in any other state in the world.
          South-North is also not such a big problem. This we can solve in a civilized manner.

          There is the problem of Arabism among the poor unemployed in the south. Plus, there are many Uzbeks in the south (who fled from Karimov from Anjidjan - no one talks about it, but the Kyrgyz Republic accepted tens of thousands of refugees). Plus, Tajik enclaves are uncontrolled - neither to Tajikistan, nor to us.

          If someone decides to play this card ... This is where the fears in the Kyrgyz Republic regarding the departure of the Americans come from ... Wouldn't you be afraid? US money has nothing to do with it ...
          1. smile
            smile 29 June 2013 15: 14 New
            +1
            KG_patriot_last
            Of course I would be afraid ... but if I didn’t see a way out, I would try to rely on the help of a neighbor, and given that I’m absolutely power-hungry, I would refuse a lot, up to statehood, if only my people would live more or less calmly and would have development prospects ... especially since in this case there would be no talk of any direct intervention ...
    3. velikoros-xnumx
      velikoros-xnumx 29 June 2013 11: 57 New
      +2
      It’s not the ordinary Kyrgyz people who are guilty of this, as I think, but the political and economic elites of Kyrgyzstan who made such decisions contrary to the interests of the majority of the population, and the interests of the majority, if you can’t tell, are not necessarily part of rapprochement with Russia, but necessarily within close integration - political economic and, of course, military. We will not blame the people and draw hasty conclusions.
  6. Bokdan1700
    Bokdan1700 29 June 2013 08: 14 New
    +2
    The authorities of Kyrgyzstan have repeatedly changed their decision about the Base following the political and economic situation. That's when the obama-nids are thrown out, then we will rejoice!
    1. Tersky
      Tersky 29 June 2013 08: 38 New
      +2
      Quote: Bokdan1700
      The authorities of Kyrgyzstan have repeatedly changed their decision about the Base following the political and economic situation.
      For two decades of independence, the Central Asian states are accustomed to diversify their foreign policy contacts. And even the most important strategic partner of the Russian Federation in Eurasia, Kazakhstan, in recent years has repeatedly received compliments from Washington for effective cooperation. And today, the opportunities for opening a new NATO transit center on Kazakhstani land are being actively discussed in the expert community. In this regard, do not rush to conclusions about the end of the US military presence in Kyrgyzstan. It is possible that Bishkek wants to "raise the bar" in its relations with NATO and the United States. And in this case, Moscow has limited capabilities in order to prevent such a scenario. And it is unlikely she will fight to the last for this. Especially, given the existing agreements with the Kyrgyz government. So somewhere you are right.
      1. Bekzat
        Bekzat 29 June 2013 23: 31 New
        0
        Greetings to all, for Tersky, but what about transit through Ulyanovsk? Transit through Atyrau or Aktau, the same as Ulyanovsk. In Kazakhstan, everything is done only at the direction of Moscow. That in Moscow they say it will be so. We even have the same laws.
  7. fenix57
    fenix57 29 June 2013 08: 20 New
    0
    "... Bishkek flew the whole Donald Rumsfeld, who held private consultations in the country."-" weaved lace "with the opposition.
    Quote: Nick
    instead, the image is the antipode, the image of a country for which law, in the broad sense of the word, exists only to violate it.
    - Now the pastors will fully confirm this in the form of "north-south". hi
  8. Very old
    Very old 29 June 2013 08: 33 New
    +4
    North and South (not in Italian, where the contradictions are only economic) countries are in constant “dialogue.” Two halves are ethnically diverse. In the south you will not find Russians, Ukrainians, Moldovans, Germans, Koreans ... Chuy valley and Issy-Kul hollow more developed in industrial and technical terms (it seems, precisely for this reason), cultural, in the other. In the north, the villages of Mezhdurechensk Cossacks and the settlements of Dungans and Uyghurs stand nearby, mixed with the Kyrgyz. Clanism is the nation’s first enemy, more powerful than the Caucasus, distinct, convex, and non-existent. And it was clanism that became the main among other reasons for the internal contradictions of Kyrgyzstan. The struggle for power (and this is EVERYTHING) is going on not only between S. and S. but Issyk-Kul is at odds with Talas. Complex boiler, because it boils so often
    1. KG_patriot_last
      KG_patriot_last 29 June 2013 10: 37 New
      +3
      Ethnically we are homogeneous, the linguistic dialect is just different ... In the north, the influence of Kipchak is from the Kazakhs, and in the south is Karluk from the Uzbeks ... But the grain is still Altai-Kyrgyz-Khakass ...

      There is a clan, there is nothing to be done. But we won’t get to the armed struggle, all the same, economic reasons ...

      It's nice that you know so much about our country ...
      1. Bekzat
        Bekzat 29 June 2013 23: 33 New
        0
        For KG_patriot_last, but how does the Kipchak language differ from Kazakh? I myself am from the Kipchakov-Tuyakty-Alke clan, and are the Kyrgyz divided into clans?
        1. KG_patriot_last
          KG_patriot_last 30 June 2013 00: 40 New
          0
          the study of world languages ​​by linguists gives the following picture:

          1) the Altai family (divided into Turkic, Mongolian, Tungus-Manchu and Japanese-Ryukyu language branches) is only a theory, but since the opposite has not been proved, it means the truth.

          2) the Turkic branch is divided into:

          languages ​​of runic inscriptions;
          Mountain Altai (Central-Eastern) languages;
          Karluk languages ​​- Karluk-Uyghur and Karluk-Khorezm;
          Kypchak languages;
          Oguz languages;
          Sayan (Toba) languages;
          Khakass (Kyrgyz) languages;
          Yakut languages.

          leave everything except:

          Khakass (Kyrgyz) languages;
          Kypchak languages;
          Karluk languages ​​- Karluk-Uyghur and Karluk-Khorezm;
          Mountain Altai (Central-Eastern) languages;

          it is very interesting.

          Khakass (Kyrgyz) languages ​​- this is our true language, common to the Khakass and Kyrgyz people - once a single people. This language with a high degree of probability can already be classified as endangered: the Republic of Khakassia is almost completely assimilated ...
          BUT
          Now the Kyrgyz Ala-Too are talking not on him, but on mountain Altai branch common to:
          Altai people
          tubalars,
          Teleuts
          and Kyrgyz.

          This sub-branch is officially called:
          Kyrgyz-Kypchak branch, although it could be attributed to another language branch: which is called the Kypchak branch, which includes languages ​​such as (I will list only the largest):
          Nogai
          Crimean Tatar
          Kazakh
          Tatar
          Bashkir
          and attention the southern Kyrgyz dialect

          and again attention
          The South Kyrgyz dialect simultaneously refers to:
          Karluk branch of the Turkic language! more precisely, to the Karluk-Khorezm branch common to the Uyghur, Uzbek and South Kyrgyz tribes!

          I summarize:
          the official language of the Kyrgyz appeared in the Altai dialect of the Türkic language, but underwent a strong influence of the pure Kipchak language, and since of all the speakers of the Kipchak language the Kazakhs lived closest to us and they live, it means I said everything correctly in the previous post drinks

          and the South Kyrgyz dialect is strongly influenced by the Karluk languages ​​Kyrgyz.

          This means that if there were no Kokand Khanate (a joint Uzbek-Kyrgyz state), perhaps the Kyrgyz and Kazakhs could establish a joint state - we would not differ in language.

          Well, finally, about the Oguz branch (the only large Turkic branch except the above), it is common for:
          Azerbaijanis
          Turks
          Turkmen
          Syrian Turkmen (de facto they are now Arabic-speaking already)
          Uzbeks (Karluk changed under the strong influence of Oguz)

          It can be seen from all that our southern Kyrgyz are the motor of the nation in contact with almost all Turkic tribes. And the northern calm Kyrgyz, it is more likely an appendage of the nation following the southern Kyrgyz and more closed wassat
          1. KG_patriot_last
            KG_patriot_last 30 June 2013 01: 20 New
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            Well, at the same time, let's write about the rest of the Turkic:

            languages ​​of runic inscriptions - this is the official descendant of the Prototurian language, it is called: ancient turkish. His only testimonies remained on stone inscriptions on the Yenisei.

            and here is also very interesting

            its branches, judging by the inscriptions, were:

            Old Kyrgyz (Yenisei-Kyrgyz)
            Orkhon-Yenisei (Old Turkic)
            Uyghur runic (Orkhon-Uyghur)

            that is, the Uighurs and Kyrgyz once lived side by side. Hence the Chinese records in the annals. I won’t be surprised if they attributed us to the Uighurs (Orkhon is the first on the way to China than the Yenisei. Hence the centuries-old enmity, the destruction of each other’s states, the common struggle with China and the rest of the world. Even after the intervention of Russia, more than half of the Kyrgyz in 1917 fled to the Uyghurs in the year (and they safely slaughtered everyone, now only half a million Kyrgyz are left in China).

            Well, the Chuvash, the only native speakers of the Bulgarian language (Hun, Khazar, Danube branches are dead)

            and the Yakuts are the only carriers of the Yakut branch of the Turkic ... no one could impose another language on them, and they did not impose on anyone. too northern people.

            Well, the last branch of the Turkic is Sayan languages. something common to Tuvans and some Uighur tribes.
  9. dmitrich
    dmitrich 29 June 2013 09: 03 New
    +1
    Yes, nothing will be done.
  10. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 29 June 2013 10: 04 New
    0
    Quote: Denis
    Quote: MIKHAN
    And they will answer for love with NATO ..
    Something is poorly answered, the Kyrgyz preferential treatment when registering or citizenship of the Russian Federation

    However, we are feeding ... until ..
  11. ed65b
    ed65b 29 June 2013 10: 32 New
    +1
    Of course they won’t do anything. Kyrgyz themselves do for the United States. Baishchina rules.
  12. Xnumx kopeek
    Xnumx kopeek 29 June 2013 10: 33 New
    -1
    -Presented the Kyrgyz in a striped robe, and in a blue skullcap with white stars on it.
    what, poetry
    1. KG_patriot_last
      KG_patriot_last 29 June 2013 10: 53 New
      +8
      stop stop stop ... confused about banding and skullcaps - this is not for us ...

      here is Kyrgyz poetry:
      1. KG_patriot_last
        KG_patriot_last 29 June 2013 13: 14 New
        +8
        By the way, in the picture above, the Bishkek Eternal Fire commemorates those who fell in the Great Patriotic War, he needs the help of Russian Gazprom soldier , gas we do not produce unfortunately ... Stop buying the players of the Hulks and Witzels, spend money on one pipeline!

        By the way, by the way (according to the Russian media): the local defense minister who does not know how to fight, the nationalist Tashiev, the pro-Western Otumbaev, the local buy-manap Omurkulov. So believe the media now ...
        1. Denis
          Denis 29 June 2013 14: 07 New
          +1
          Quote: KG_patriot_last
          By the way, they stand in the background (according to the Russian media)
          That is not an indicator
          Previously, all high or not very guests who came to the USSR laid a wreath at the tomb of the Unknown Soldier
          So what better than steel?
          And the media has not believed for a long time,
          1. KG_patriot_last
            KG_patriot_last 29 June 2013 14: 21 New
            +2
            Well, no one came, it’s our power to lay flowers in the 2011 year (annual tradition). These are different things ...
            I think the indicator is that no one refused, did not dismantle the monument, did not extinguish the fire, although we do not have gas in the country, did not prohibit Soviet symbols ... After all, there are examples of such countries ...
            1. Very old
              Very old 29 June 2013 18: 51 New
              +1
              KG, do not put out the fire in your soul, over time everything will be formed. And for this we must work together
            2. velikoros-xnumx
              velikoros-xnumx 30 June 2013 00: 29 New
              0
              This makes me happy. I think our peoples will eventually find a common language and a great future awaits us.
    2. smile
      smile 29 June 2013 13: 08 New
      +4
      Xnumx kopeek
      Yes, they seemed to dress differently. When I was in 4th grade, we had a competition — each class was supposed to represent the republic. Our class was Kyrgyz ... our poor mothers sewed us costumes ... :))) So - they have such big cone-shaped white caps with lapels ...
      The program included a song about the republic, poems by local poets, a story about the republic being represented — history, nature, industry, outstanding personalities of the past ... I read poetry about the war (damn it, I don’t remember the author, but it was written beautifully, the teachers shed tears) .. .this was a real holiday and it never occurred to anyone to poke a finger and laugh, you are Tajiks or Moldovans .... how quickly it all begs ... whether, and now we measure, and you, and ours .... yeah, and they both in this ... brown ... not chocolate ... it's a shame
      !: (((
  13. Ulysses
    Ulysses 29 June 2013 11: 34 New
    +4
    Kyrgyz authorities are repeating the old mistake of all weak regimes - they are trying to sit on two chairs, maneuvering between the interests of Russia and the United States.
    They will wake up when the Taliban from the south squeeze.
    1. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 29 June 2013 14: 50 New
      0
      K. Marx also said: The affectionate calf of two mothers sucks.
      1. Ruslan67
        Ruslan67 30 June 2013 17: 07 New
        +1
        Quote: Thunderbolt
        : The affectionate calf of two mothers sucks.

        Exactly two mothers? or two sucks what wassat Hi Alexey hi
        1. Thunderbolt
          Thunderbolt 30 June 2013 17: 27 New
          +2
          Hello Ruslan!
          Quote: Ruslan67
          Exactly two mothers? or two sucks
          And I absolutely do not care if he does this with our "mother." laughing
          1. Ruslan67
            Ruslan67 30 June 2013 17: 51 New
            +2
            Quote: Thunderbolt
            ".A star-striped woman must be driven out of the region with raked rags laughing

            That's how much I know you. bully
            1. Thunderbolt
              Thunderbolt 30 June 2013 18: 11 New
              +1
              Quote: Ruslan67
              That's how much I know you.
              There is some" repeat
              1. Ruslan67
                Ruslan67 30 June 2013 18: 16 New
                +2
                Quote: Thunderbolt
                There is some

                Little is not our style no Give us the scope and scale fellow laughing
                1. Thunderbolt
                  Thunderbolt 30 June 2013 18: 38 New
                  +1
                  Site rules do not allow you to drop quotes from my "little" and say that I really think about this blessed America. What can you do, I am a "child of the Cold War born in 197", so my grandfather raised me (a Bolshevik from the 20s years). I have a half-shed full of books supposedly: "The Bloody Face of Imperialism", the magazines "Korea" or "The Secret Strategy of the Pentagon Hawks" ... laughing By and large, neither DISCHARGE nor DISARMAMENT hurt me. Even Perestroika was torn somewhere nearby without hitting my mentality. The Pentagon Hydra cannot deceive me bully
                  1. Ruslan67
                    Ruslan67 30 June 2013 18: 43 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Thunderbolt
                    By and large, neither DISCHARGE nor DISARMAMENT hurt me. Even Perestroika was torn somewhere nearby without hitting my mentality. The Pentagon Hydra cannot deceive me

                    And what was the revolution !? belay ... q! Throw everything and go to Muhosk! wassat
                    1. Thunderbolt
                      Thunderbolt 30 June 2013 19: 06 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Ruslan67
                      And what was the revolution !?
                      belay Ruslan, how much time do you need to get to the monument on the Neva? The Aurora cruiser is called. Take an interest in what merits he put there, certainly not for Tsushima laughing
                      Quote: Ruslan67
                      Throw everything and go to Muhosk!
                      The main thing that the Internet would catch. ZY Anecdote from Ronald Reagan
                      1. Ruslan67
                        Ruslan67 30 June 2013 19: 10 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Thunderbolt
                        . Take an interest in what merits put it there, certainly not for Tsushima

                        I was admitted to it as a pioneer among the top 10 at school. Even then I thought, why did they drag us there half a city? what laughing
                      2. Thunderbolt
                        Thunderbolt 30 June 2013 19: 29 New
                        +1
                        And I was in the Lenin House-Museum (such a wooden house, he lived and worked with us as a lawyer in court). I remember the bronze inkwell on the desk of Ilyich in the form of a big fly. On the table was still some kind of thick book with pencil marks of the leader. One boy accidentally I tore one page apart. We all thought that they would kill him right there on the spot. But, fortunately, no one noticed anything. Now I think we can already talk about it bully
                      3. Ruslan67
                        Ruslan67 30 June 2013 19: 34 New
                        +3
                        [quote = Thunderbolt]. We all thought that they would kill him right there on the spot. But, fortunately, nobody noticed anything. Now I think we can already tell about it bull
                        But Vladimir Ilyich, when he broke a vase as a guest, he was not only not afraid to admit, he also overlaid his mistress on his mother and pinched the maid for ass wassat
                      4. Thunderbolt
                        Thunderbolt 30 June 2013 21: 37 New
                        +1
                        Of course, we tried to be like Lenin in everything, but our school principal was present there (a very formidable woman am ), therefore, even such a thought didn’t arise, admit it. And then yes .... they got older, and they lined and pinched (and even broke their physical arms wassat )
                      5. Ruslan67
                        Ruslan67 30 June 2013 21: 44 New
                        +3
                        Quote: Thunderbolt
                        but there was our headmaster (a very formidable woman

                        Ours too request I was born in Berlin before the war. Then I was with my parents from 45 to 49. Therefore, the maximum that I allowed myself to be the last in service without a cap wassat
                      6. Thunderbolt
                        Thunderbolt 30 June 2013 21: 57 New
                        +1
                        It remains to find out what your headmaster has to do with: Eurasian political science. What the United States will do with Kyrgyzstan for exile from Manas air base laughing It all started as usual, with Karl Marx ...
                      7. Ruslan67
                        Ruslan67 30 June 2013 22: 01 New
                        +3
                        Quote: Thunderbolt
                        It remains to find out what is the relationship between your and my principal

                        With them, there was no such thing bully
  • Xnumx kopeek
    Xnumx kopeek 30 June 2013 04: 39 New
    0
    there is China, on the right, through the fence. -He also amer. the base is not needed
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 29 June 2013 11: 54 New
    -4
    The Kyrgyz began to steer .. How did you get us all .. "former" Debriefing will be necessary ... (who to whom and for what and where ....)) And our "WHAT TO DO ??" recourse
  • ed65b
    ed65b 29 June 2013 12: 11 New
    +6
    How good it was with the union, go wherever you want, they all speak the same language. Issyk-Kul traveled savages to the most reserved places on holidays. It’s calm as in paradise. In the mountains, climbers from Mazovskiye cylinder to the rocks with a negative slope nailed. Hunting a wolf in winter on horseback. how did the elite tear us apart over 20 years, be it not okay. and here we are simple people sitting here and cursing with each other, we prove to someone that is thicker and the "elite" makes money for us and laughs.
    1. KG_patriot_last
      KG_patriot_last 29 June 2013 12: 35 New
      +7
      We still have half a million Russians. Why believe my words? Write to Odnoklassniki.ru "Bishkek" and see how many profiles there will be whose nationalities and in what language ...

      Issyk-Kul is still here, come to rest. Mountain tourism is also developed (recently a Russian group remained under the avalanche to regret). There is Putin's Peak laughing Visit Yeltsin’s favorite pension, where he had a drink with the sidekick Akayev (who is currently teaching at Moscow State University, for the Russian elite).

      But hunting is only illegal if the safari is prohibited officially ... Yes, and fishing, too. Only whoever complied with these laws and followed up ...
      1. ed65b
        ed65b 29 June 2013 12: 50 New
        +3
        Yes, I’d like to live on, everything has settled down and the growth of the economy and production has begun. There was no confrontation between the north and the south. The authorities would have nailed themselves specifically to some coast, and you would have all understood and clearly where to go and it’s easier for us to conduct business with you. In Tashkent, I talked with a Professor from TashMI, he said sadly, They sent me to Turkey for further education. What can they teach me ??? Earlier, Moscow also went to St. Petersburg. Here there was a very good exchange of experience and the Turks- and waved a hand.
      2. Denis
        Denis 29 June 2013 14: 10 New
        0
        Quote: KG_patriot_last
        But whoever complied with these laws and followed up ...
        + for the truth
        and then there are amateurs to quote the editorials of their central newspapers
      3. Very old
        Very old 29 June 2013 19: 08 New
        +2
        Kurmenty, cement plant. Issyk-Kul drove in a circle, from Rybachy to Tyup south, then to Przhevalsk (Karakol-?), Through Bokonbaevskoye to Rybachy north. Friends in Ananyevo and Cholpon-Ata. We remained friends, we meet on Skype. Break through
  • Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 29 June 2013 12: 25 New
    +1
    <<< Too many regional players, both inside and outside the republic, are interested in destabilization. For the unfolding of full-scale actions, the interest of the main actor, which appeared after the denunciation of the agreement on Manas, was lacking. >>>
    Thank God, the protracted period of indifference and complacency associated with the idea that after the triumph of liberal market democracy in Russia, Western countries will become our best friends and everyone around us are now friends and brothers has ended and cost Russia many lost positions in the CIS countries, where we are our new " friends - partners "tried to stick out and not unsuccessfully. Now you have to show firmness, consistency and determination to restore their lost positions and it is good if it does without blood, but you need to be prepared for this! After all, our Western "partners" just do not give up their positions and will go to whatever they openly stated in order to impede the strengthening of Russia and its supporters in the CIS countries.
  • chauvinist
    chauvinist 29 June 2013 12: 27 New
    -3
    Again, huge money will be sent to this gadyushnik, which will most likely be forgiven. Again they allocated huge amounts of money allegedly for "food for schoolchildren." But everyone knows where the money will settle.
    1. KG_patriot_last
      KG_patriot_last 29 June 2013 12: 42 New
      +3
      We will try to trace. Akayev paid, Bakiyev paid, Otumbaev has no weight, with the premiership of Babanov, they took off civilly, Atambayev the president is still busy with foreign policy ... Personally, I do not trust the current Prime Minister Satybaldiev, but we'll see ...

      Someone will call a mess, but we call it retribution for sins. Stole - to prison. Only now Akayev and Bakiyev are hiding Russia and Belarus ... And in our case, in the Kyrgyz Republic, questions arise about where all this money goes ...

      Hopefully hinted at an answer laughing fellow
    2. Very old
      Very old 29 June 2013 19: 19 New
      +1
      Mister without a name, Chauvinism is a foul thing. I’m telling you like the Old One. There really are a lot of Gadyushnikov, but you should have eyes and a head, see and think. The south should be protected from drug trafficking, from the penetration of extremism towards us, which means - to Kyrgyzstan, Kazakhstan, and Russia.
  • shalk
    shalk 29 June 2013 12: 34 New
    +4
    Quote: Ulysses
    trying to sit on two chairs


    The irresponsible policy of the Russian Federation in relation to the former Union Central Asian republics has generated the desire of their leaders to receive "support" from both hands. It is believed that in the 90s Russia was not up to them. Rather, it is a matter of the foresight of politicians from the authorities. No one needs to explain the cost difference between preventing and eliminating the consequences.
    It seems that the situation is gradually starting to change. Russia is no longer willing to tolerate an American military presence at its side along the entire perimeter of its borders. The Kremlin, as before, smiles sweetly at a handshake with its "partners", but at the same time begins to stamp around their feet shamelessly.
  • knn54
    knn54 29 June 2013 14: 10 New
    +3
    Not fun.
    Former Pentagon chief Donald Rumsfeld held a series of meetings in the elite cottage village Ala-Archa-2, where the mansions of almost all representatives of the Kyrgyz elite are located, ranging from criminal authorities to the most senior officials.
    The US ambassador to Kyrgyzstan, Pamela Spratlen, met these days with one of the most influential (and fairly independent of the central government) person in southern Kyrgyzstan - with the mayor of Osh, Melis Myrzakmatov.
    A court of second instance in Bishkek acquitted three members of the Kyrgyz parliament from the Ata-Zhurt opposition party, who were accused of trying to illegally seize power in the country. Kamchibek Tashiev (Jalal-Abad), Talent Mamytov and Sadyr Zhaparov (Issyk-Kul), left the detention center, preserving their parliamentary mandates intact. And the administration of President Atambayev expected that the initial sentence of the district court would be toughened, not canceled!
    In recent months, judges in Kyrgyzstan have released even the most odious representatives of the criminal world from prison - the spring was released “due to illness” and Aziz Batukaev, who was called a thief in law, left for Russia.
    On May 28, the Osh Regional Court acquitted Kadyr Dosonov, nicknamed Dzhengo, one of the most famous "authorities" in the south of the country ...
    But there are serious forces behind the freedom of the opposition - after all, apart from money, the judges were obviously given certain guarantees.
    A joint venture with Turkey is being created at Manas Airport, which will lease the transport services they need to NATO and the Pentagon. And the American flag will be removed, but the essence of this does not change ...
    And South Kyrgyzstan is awash with Wahhabis who are waiting in the wings.
    Russia and China should help the republic. The Kyrgyz people themselves cannot cope. Otherwise, the Ferghana Valley, Kashgar, Gorny Badakhshan will blaze. Yes, and Atambayev will not hold out, and the Russian Federation will lose everything that it has invested.
    1. Very old
      Very old 29 June 2013 19: 24 New
      +1
      NIKOLAI. We can’t leave the south direction in any way, it doesn’t flow from the north, all kinds of fecal matter. Not everyone wants to understand this. I agree with you +
  • ed65b
    ed65b 29 June 2013 14: 14 New
    +2
    Kyrgyzstan would have a police independent of the clans and an army capable of fighting. albeit small but fighting. And maybe not a presidential republic but a parliamentary one. Then the riots will police pacify the army, as I understand Russia is going to arm and train. it remains for the people to say their weighty word.
    1. Very old
      Very old 29 June 2013 19: 29 New
      0
      EDDY, I'm often in the same stream with you. And now too
  • gribnik777
    gribnik777 29 June 2013 16: 31 New
    +2
    What the United States will do with Kyrgyzstan for exile from Manas air base

    Only what Russia will allow.
    At least I would like to hope so.
  • albai
    albai 29 June 2013 16: 35 New
    +5
    The base’s exit was unambiguously resolved, the Law on the denunciation of the Agreement on the Manas Transit Center was adopted by the LCD and signed by the President of the Kyrgyz Republic. There will be no steps back, otherwise, all power will “lose face” and will simply be swept away. Not even the Turks "Erdogan's Arrival" nor the Amers "Rumsfeld and Co." interfered with this decision of the leadership. The people understand that the amers are far away, and Russia is close by, and 70 years of a joint history can not be got anywhere. According to rumors in the plans of the State Department, Kyrgyzstan was supposed to disappear from the map in 2010, which is why the execution on the square was provoked in April 2010, but the amers could not even think that the dead would only unite people and more people would come to the square and the dead and wounded will be transported to hospitals just like on the battlefield. And as the saying goes, "If you can’t prevent a booze, then head it." They tried and shoved to the top of their. We quickly wrote a constitution with parliamentary administration and forth. Fearing both the south and the north, the authorities decided to balance: the first person from the north, the prime minister from the south, and in descending order. 150-200 parties were created and the parliamentary parliament was opa, and the elite began to cut loot. The army is weak, the Ministry of Internal Affairs is demoralized by two coups, does not have any desire to get into any political squabbles, the “office” is the same, the judiciary is prostituting. After 2010 there is no progress in the Republic. And having failed to become a self-sufficient and independent state, you probably need to go under the protectorate of a more powerful "roof" and choosing options: Russia will be preferable to the Americans. All local "princes" are afraid of losing the opportunity to cut with impunity. But the performances of the people will not leave them any choice. Our people have always been famous for their hospitality, friendliness, not biased attitude towards anyone, regardless of their eyes and religion. In a jailoo (alpine meadows), any passerby will be stopped (even if you’re walking or driving for 1-2 km), fed, drunk with koumiss, asked for news, if you’ll leave the night to sleep, even if you don’t know Russian, then you understand everything. And not only in jailoo and in villages, even in cities. You’ll come to the apartment and will be invited, and as they say, they will ask you to taste bread and drink tea. And so it is everywhere, both in the south and in the north. And by individual "radishes" do not judge the whole people. God grant! so that the times of the USSR are back.
    1. Very old
      Very old 29 June 2013 19: 32 New
      +2
      DZHALYN, the Union can’t be returned in any way, to return a friendly, trusting relationship, YES
      1. albai
        albai 29 June 2013 22: 06 New
        +1
        Valentine, everything in life returns to square one. So there is hope that there will be something like the USSR, but in a more developed form.
  • Taurus
    Taurus 29 June 2013 18: 36 New
    0
    And, here from koumiss, please refrain. And then it’s inconvenient to refuse and drink .... somehow .. not at all in the body. Then there is no place to feel sick and there is nothing to drink pills from the stomach except for koumiss. But these are trifles.
    1. albai
      albai 29 June 2013 22: 13 New
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      This is at first. But after a two-week koumiss treatment, all radionuclides are excreted, younger, the liver, stomach, kidneys are cleansed, joints, etc. Try it and you won’t regret it! Mountains, tranquility, without annoying hundreds of calls, and other trends of civilization, and ... like a newborn, and ready for battle with the universe.
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 29 June 2013 18: 48 New
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    We buy Kyrgyzstan .. gee gee ..
  • Taurus
    Taurus 29 June 2013 18: 53 New
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    But seriously, in general, the policy with the United States is such that if someone is bogged down, there’s an abyss to the whole bird. It’s better not to meddle with bandits. Everyone knows that. And the USA are the main bandits on the ball for the moment. BUT, at the expense of Kyrgyzstan, Russia is real and only who can defend it. It all depends on the desire of Kyrgyzstan and the will of the GDP. If there is goodwill, then the matter is completely solved. Our GDP is now on the rise and bends west with horns under the bench.
  • dimon-media
    dimon-media 29 June 2013 18: 59 New
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    Drive Amers in the neck! And not only from Manas air base (Kyrgyzstan), but from the Eurasian continent in general!
  • Boricello
    Boricello 29 June 2013 19: 22 New
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    And I would Amer also blocked the corridor through Russia. And then, due to difficulties with Pakistan, 50% of the troops will leave Afghanistan at best, the rest will remain in the land. Tada Amer for 10 years will forget the word war.
  • Boricello
    Boricello 29 June 2013 19: 31 New
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    And gentlemen, forum users, I agree with Simurg. Do not consider yourself above others. First of all, you are insulting yourself with this and the memory of your people and ancestors. And in what is happening now Russia is to blame and the Black Spot in my name is Borya the bloody. In general, I say to everyone that there are 4 spots on the name Boris ... These are Godunov, Yeltsin, Nemtsov and Moses laughing . Only 2 states, Ukraine and Belarus, wanted to leave the union with Russia. In general, Kazakhstan was essentially thrown out and forced to accept sovereignty. When the country was thrown out of the ruble zone, we had no other choice. In that situation, it was possible to leave both Kargizia and Kazakhstan and some other states in the Union State with Russia. So in what is happening in Kyrgyzstan, Russia is largely to blame.
  • Taurus
    Taurus 29 June 2013 19: 32 New
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    Quote: ed65b
    Kyrgyzstan would have a police independent of the clans and an army capable of fighting. albeit small but fighting. And maybe not a presidential republic but a parliamentary one. Then the riots will police pacify the army, as I understand Russia is going to arm and train. it remains for the people to say their weighty word.
    ..Kyrgyzstan would be tyry, but wheatgrass. The point is small: start, yes finish. I’ll tell you a secret: Santa Claus does not exist! Honestly a word. We'll have to do it ourselves. Such things. And, Russia is not a herbalife. Will have to work hard.
  • Taurus
    Taurus 29 June 2013 19: 43 New
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    Quote: Boricello
    And gentlemen, forum users, I agree with Simurg. Do not consider yourself above others. First of all, you are insulting yourself with this and the memory of your people and ancestors. And in what is happening now Russia is to blame and the Black Spot in my name is Borya the bloody. In general, I say to everyone that there are 4 spots on the name Boris ... These are Godunov, Yeltsin, Nemtsov and Moses laughing . Only 2 states, Ukraine and Belarus, wanted to leave the union with Russia. In general, Kazakhstan was essentially thrown out and forced to accept sovereignty. When the country was thrown out of the ruble zone, we had no other choice. In that situation, it was possible to leave both Kargizia and Kazakhstan and some other states in the Union State with Russia. So in what is happening in Kyrgyzstan, Russia is largely to blame.
    ... Well, so, what are we rubbing around next to the guilty? You have a flock of offended people there and kiss each other. I am pretty tired of this idiocy. I don’t remember a single Russian who would say that something is to blame or someone is to blame from the outside. And here a flock of jackals gathered and howl at Russia without tiredness and sense. Do not like it? No one is holding your tail, yank into democracy or whatever .... Just leave us Russians alone and huyart wherever it comes to the brain with Ukraine or America or whatever.
  • Boricello
    Boricello 29 June 2013 19: 51 New
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    Quote: Taurus
    Just leave us Russians alone and a huyart wherever it enters the brain with Ukraine or America or by whom else.

    You are not Russian. Come to Kazakhstan or Kyrgyzstan or to any other country where there are Russians. More Russian people live there, both in spirit and mentality than such gorlopans as you. My great-great-grandfather was father a father, and his brother was the commissar of the Cheka (in the Gorky region there is a village of Venki and there is an obelisk there) My ancestors are Pomors from near Arkhangelsk. So I'm no less Russian than you. But I have not forgotten how to respect other nations and people. And I do not consider the Russian living in Tajikistan or Kyrgyzstan to be less Russian than the Russian.
  • Taurus
    Taurus 29 June 2013 20: 04 New
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    I would have told you how Russians like the commissars, like your grandfather from the fucking Kyrgyzstan Cheka, shot my grandfather in Khabarovsk, and my grandmother, taking my mother, the future and her sister, two of her daughters into her arms, rushed to nowhere to save from CSIR until I got to Siberia, but I won’t. . Die there in Kyrgyzstan. Let you fuck you.
    1. ed65b
      ed65b 29 June 2013 23: 08 New
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      Oksta taurus you are not in a cafe on the highway at night but in a decent society, here anyone can impose on you so that my mother does not grieve for both red and white. But under the Stalinists will fall, consider that they saw death.
  • Boricello
    Boricello 29 June 2013 20: 15 New
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    Quote: Taurus
    I would have told you how Russians like the commissars, like your grandfather from the fucking Kyrgyzstan Cheka, shot my grandfather in Khabarovsk, and my grandmother, taking my mother, the future and her sister, two of her daughters into her arms, rushed to nowhere to save from CSIR until I got to Siberia, but I won’t. . Die there in Kyrgyzstan. Let you fuck you.

    So what? Mine also sat and fled. Then such a time was one brother of white another of the red. This is history and these are my ancestors and I will not get anywhere from this. I wrote about my ancestors only in order to show you that in Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan, the same Russians live like you. And the fact that the course of history brought my parents to Kazakhstan is not my fault. And we cannot return to our historical homeland precisely because of people like you. It is people like you who set fire to houses of migrants from the Soviet post in the villages due to the fact that they work and do not eat vodka. And I'm from Kazakhstan and not from Kyrgyzstan. And if you understood correctly, then the Semirechye Cossacks are also not Russian ?. I must tell them. I think that they would pass along the chain, but they’ve slashed your ass with a whip. History needs to be known and honored by its people and their fellow tribesmen wherever they live. It is not regrettable, but this Russian must be learned from the Jews, Armenians, etc. For them, there is no concept of their own stranger. And for Russians, all who do not live in Russia are not Russians. It is because of people like you that they don’t like Russians.
  • Taurus
    Taurus 29 June 2013 20: 21 New
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    But mine didn’t kill anyone. They simply served the homeland and worked. And I know your shitty breed. Kill anyone, at least for white, at least for red. At least for Pshechikov, at least for the Turks. And you are still presenting to Russia that it is to blame for something before YOU ???
    1. KG_patriot_last
      KG_patriot_last 29 June 2013 20: 50 New
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      They moved here and to Kazakhstan not only during the white-red confrontation, but also evacuated during the Second World War. And later, too, the advanced people of the USSR moved here for permanent residence as a party (some are a policeman, some are military, some are doctors, some are geologists and so on).

      My maternal grandfather fought for the USSR in the Second World War, and my elder brother in the GDR was sitting in a tank, ready to attack the English Channel on the first order. Tell them in person and swear. And also say that they are ready to fight for anyone ... No native brigades, no special forces or horse divisions. The Kyrgyz and Kazakhs fought with the Russians in the same units. Because back in the forties they were considered reliable and understandable people, unlike many other nations ...

      The fact that the USSR has left a void - Boricello is absolutely right. One ideology has gone, another has come - Arabism. Do you think everyone likes it here?
  • Boricello
    Boricello 29 June 2013 20: 33 New
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    This is how do you know our breed? Do not measure all under 1 comb. And my ancestors also fought and shed a lot of blood. From where so much bile and malice? laughing I advise you to come to Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan, and chat with the Russians. I assure your opinion will change a lot. And learn the story. If you look with knowledge, you will understand where the Russians came from in Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan and why they stayed here.
  • Kashchei
    Kashchei 29 June 2013 21: 47 New
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    The point is that having gained independence in 91, most of the republics of Central Asia immediately lost it .... And the question of who lies under whom is as relevant now as ever
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 29 June 2013 22: 35 New
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    There will be a return of the prodigal daughters and sons ... Only already we will not let Russia’s udder .. enough already .. you will work ..
    1. albai
      albai 29 June 2013 23: 00 New
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      We are not afraid of work, all my life people have been working, and Kyrgyzstan has been supporting them. Kyrgyzstan is one of those republics that fully supported itself during the union, but still had a worsted-cloth factory, a sheep wool processing factory, a furniture factory, an agricultural machine factory, an ammunition factory, a Shkval torpedo factory, a bunch of meat plants, a brewery, a paper mill - silk factory. Some hydro power plants of the Toktogul cascade are worth something. There are no problems MIKHAN, the problem is management, the leaders are bad.
  • albai
    albai 29 June 2013 22: 46 New
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    Well, after the withdrawal, or before the withdrawal of the amer, (since there is still time before the summer of 2014), they will try to show the need for their presence in Central Asia, by: option 1: artificially fomenting the ethnic confrontation of the Kyrgyz-Uzbek, option 2: the same, only north-south, option 3: breakthrough of the IMUShniks who are standing on Afghan territory near the borders of Tajikistan so that they can walk along the Ferghana valley with fire and sword, option 4: attempted coup in Bishkek with obedient agents of influence sitting in chairs, option 5: organize a war of republican proportions of all against all, one in a word create controlled chaos. The flames of war will spread to neighboring republics, and there, in Russia, it flares up. All that remains is for all sensible people, the military, to TAKE the power in the republic into their own hands, with the help of Russia, tightly tighten the screws, declare all NGOs foreign agents, stop the meetings and build a rigid vertical of power, without any shitty bells and whistles. All the treasury-maslokrad to the nail, and somewhere in six months will improve. No other way.
  • ed65b
    ed65b 29 June 2013 23: 17 New
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    This is taurusu and others like him.
    In Central Asia, the best gathered at one time.
    cream of the empire, the best doctors, builders, teachers, workers. and the Russians in Asia have always stood apart, kept the brand, so to speak. they kept traditions preserved the culture did not mix with the local ethnic group preserved the language and were more RUSSIAN than Russians with the RSFSR. So do not pour water on compatriots, they are still young.
  • KG_patriot_last
    KG_patriot_last 30 June 2013 00: 53 New
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    let's live in peace (c) Leopold the unfortunate spoiled by evil mice laughing
  • Xnumx kopeek
    Xnumx kopeek 30 June 2013 04: 31 New
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    Quote: smile
    Xnumx kopeek
    Yes, they seemed to dress differently. When I was in 4th grade, we had a competition — each class was supposed to represent the republic. Our class was Kyrgyz ... our poor mothers sewed us costumes ... :))) So - they have such big cone-shaped white caps with lapels ...
    The program included a song about the republic, poems by local poets, a story about the republic being represented — history, nature, industry, outstanding personalities of the past ... I read poetry about the war (damn it, I don’t remember the author, but it was written beautifully, the teachers shed tears) .. .this was a real holiday and it never occurred to anyone to poke a finger and laugh, you are Tajiks or Moldovans .... how quickly it all begs ... whether, and now we measure, and you, and ours .... yeah, and they both in this ... brown ... not chocolate ... it's a shame
    !: (((

    - feeding jokes. -
    I also lived in the USSR for half my life.