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Reformers get to science

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At the last meeting of the Government, which was opened by Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev, we were talking about the changes that are awaiting Russian science in the near future. Medvedev said that the established management system of various state academies of science subordination (and there are also non-state ones) does not meet the new requirements.


Today in Russia there are 6 Academies of Sciences, among which is the Russian Academy of Sciences, headed by Academician Fortov, who was recently elected to his post. According to the premier, the Academy of Sciences in Russia should be one, and its employees should not be distracted from science, solving problems, for example, housing and public utilities, and Vladimir Fortov can automatically lead a new joint academy.



After a while, the Minister of Education and Science, Mr. Livanov, announced that the 6 Academies of Sciences really planned to leave one - the Russian Academy of Sciences, which would include the Academy of Agricultural Sciences, the Academy of Medical Sciences and everything ... And where are the three more? Dmitry Livanov, answering this question, says that the Academy of Education, the Academy of Arts and Architecture, the Academy of Building Sciences, may disappear as such and in another form will come under the “tutelage” of state executive bodies.

According to what principle was the preliminary selection of those who fall into the Russian Academy of Sciences, and who caters straight into the bosom of federal executive authorities, and who has more prospects in this regard is also not possible to assess in advance.

If we consider the choice of the Cabinet of Ministers, it turns out that our Government continues to see the scientific component in agriculture and medicine, but strangely it ceases to see such, for example, in education (that's how ...) Although in the first case this vision is from the Ministry of Education and Science also ambiguous.

At the same time, the Ministry of Education and Science, headed by Mr. Livanov, announces that at the time of reforming the scientific system, the election of academicians will be suspended. On 3 of the year! Like, let our science be controlled by the forces of existing scholars. Somewhere the same practice in modern Russia has already slipped ... Oh, yes! The case was in the Ministry of Defense, led by Anatoly Serdyukov. There, at one time, they decided to “optimize” the number of military higher educational institutions, while announcing the freezing of the recruitment of young cadets to these higher educational institutions. Academics, of course, people are mostly elderly, but, apparently, will be reformed according to the same scenario. First, the integration with the consolidation and simultaneous cessation of the replenishment of academic ranks, then the new steps of reform, which only remains to be guessed. In the Ministry of Defense under the previous minister there were “green men”, and then who in the Academy of Sciences? ..

By the way, regarding the reformation of the RAS, information has also come about that the Government plans to create some kind of special agency that will manage the property of the Russian Academy of Sciences. Well, full deja vu ... If this agency is also called, for example, "Academservice" or the Department of Property Relations of the Russian Academy of Sciences, then the match will be close to 100%. And in light of the fact that the country is also waiting for a large-scale amnesty for economic criminals, in the near future only one task can arise before the staff of this agency: grab more property, just to have time for the amnesty ... Microscopes, telescopes, retorts and test tubes - everything will fit ... And this is not to mention the "non-core academic" real estate ...

If we consider the proposal of the chairman of the Russian Cabinet of Ministers, then it should be said that similar thoughts about the “optimization” of the RAS were expressed by the guru of the educational reformation, Mr. Fursenko, and then the current Minister of Education Dmitry Livanov became infected with the ideas of Fursenko. The ideas concerned depriving the Russian Academy of Sciences of relative independence, and aiming at the one whom it should see as its main benefactor. In order to demoralize the RAS staff members, Mr. Livanov did not so long ago decide to make a knight's move: he declared that the top of the academy is economically unclean, and therefore the academy needs a full audit. Then, however, I had to ask for an apology, but also in a somewhat provocative form.

Now, as we see, the disease of the reform of the RAS struck a man with immunity weakened before this case - Dmitry Medvedev. Our prime minister did not comment on the economic nuances of the reform, but he said that the system of management of “these structures” (talking about academies) “developed under the influence of subjective factors”, and the matter was in the distant 30-40-s. They say that academicians, of course, somehow worked there and work, but only the system, their work was initially associated with something archaic ...

No - the fact that academicians do not have to deal with the problems of patching roofs and taking out garbage from the territory is a fact. The fact that it is high time to save them from their unusual functions is also a fact. But is it only necessary to create some additional agency for this, which is unclear by whom it will be headed and controlled by whom. Really it was impossible to go on a simpler path. One gets the impression that there is a certain circle of people who, under the guise of caring for Russian science, are trying to gain access to the property of the academies, which looks like a tasty morsel. Only real estate for billions of rubles. There is where reformers roam ...

I would like to sincerely believe that this very “Academservice” will really enable domestic scientists to do science, taking upon themselves what is called the whole kitchen kitchen, but ... With the level of corruption that exists in our country, and even with the suspension according to Oboronservis, all these words about the reform of the Academy of Sciences with the indispensable creation of a special agency seem, to say the least, strange.

Who will really exercise objective control over the property moved in the process of reform? And is it possible that the unification of various academies without the infusion of, let's say, fresh "blood" will lead to the emergence of new problems that will finally paralyze the scientific activities of this organization ...

It is noteworthy that at that moment, when the Government announced the beginning of reform in the scientific field, material came out concerning the rating of world scientific systems. The rating was prepared abroad, and therefore it was not necessary to expect a priori any kind of laudatory odes addressed to science from this rating. But, even taking into account the entire subjective side of various ratings of universities and research organizations, this rating has surpassed all others. Forgive me, Lord, the research was the "experts" from NPG (Nature Publishing Group). According to their estimates, the Russian Academy of Sciences is on the 7-th place from the end of the world table ... In other words, the RAS has already taken the place of 193 from the 200 possible by rating publication activity ...

At the same time, the rating was distributed in many international scientific publications, and in the Russian Government they also clearly became acquainted with it. An important detail: when publishing the rating, the same “specialists” from NPG for some reason did not emphasize that they investigated publication activity exclusively in English-language scientific journals. Of course, we knew about the English linguistic chauvinism of recent years, but in order to get to this ... You could just as well publish the ranking of the scientific systems of the world by the activity of their publications in the Russian-language press, because no one excluded the Russian language from the UN languages ​​... and the British scientific systems would have been on the rating backyard. But only we do not do such things. Although, sometimes you think that in vain. Information wars, as we see, and here are conducted in full. Just look at the nationality of the Nobel laureates of the last couple of decades. US citizens are ahead of the rest ...

No matter how one-sided this NPG study was, and the rating did its work - many did not read the nuances of the study, that's why they managed to link the “193” position of the RAS with its “inefficiency”, which heated the hotheads even more. Those hotheads who crave the reform of the scientific system and the arrival of “effective managers” in it.
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  1. fenix57
    fenix57 28 June 2013 07: 01 New
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    It turns out that both Livanov and the “prime minister” want to destroy what remains of science! And in this case there is no need to search-who's guilty everything is clear with this; need to think what to do with these "leaders" of the sovereign .... angry fool
    1. Garrin
      Garrin 28 June 2013 07: 13 New
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      Quote: fenix57
      need to think, what to do with these "leaders" sovereign .... angry fool

      That to do with them, too, is generally clear. The question is HOW do it with them.
      1. Ruslan67
        Ruslan67 28 June 2013 07: 22 New
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        Quote: Garrin
        . The question is HOW to do this with them.

        Take an aspen stake. Point at one end ... wassat
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak 28 June 2013 08: 12 New
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          Quote: ...
          By what principle was the preliminary selection of those who entered the RAS


          Yeah right now, you forgot to ask academicians, tea in the Duma and the government, too, do not bast their cabbage soup
          1. Tersky
            Tersky 28 June 2013 08: 29 New
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            Quote: Vadivak
            tea in the Duma and the government, too, doesn’t bast their cabbage soup

            Vadim, good health! Yes, so far Russia, the whole world is big top:
          2. nycsson
            nycsson 28 June 2013 09: 41 New
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            Quote: Vadivak
            Yeah right now, you forgot to ask academicians, tea in the Duma and the government, too, do not bast their cabbage soup

            Damn, that's for sure! You had to put Alla out from the university! Ponabert on announcements ...... request
          3. Armata
            Armata 28 June 2013 21: 07 New
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            Quote: Vadivak
            Yeah right now, you forgot to ask academicians, tea in the Duma and the government, too, do not bast their cabbage soup
            Not Hami Vadim. I can’t get into URORAN, although 7 has been exploiting my developments for years, but visionaries have long been there with degrees. Yes, there are talented people there, only at the RAS they value more than what they can earn. And all the rest just for 10 000rub per month rest against.
            1. Vadivak
              Vadivak 28 June 2013 22: 35 New
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              Quote: Mechanic
              Not Hami Vadim.


              Eugene, even if I was naughty, then it’s not for you and people of science for sure
        2. the polar
          the polar 28 June 2013 08: 53 New
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          Quote: Ruslan67
          Quote: Garrin
          . The question is HOW to do this with them.

          Take an aspen stake. Point at one end ... wassat

          It will be more effective if the general meeting of academics selects a volunteer academician who puts on a "martyr’s belt" and goes to a government meeting. Academics have no other way to counter the destruction of the Russian Academy of Sciences and Russian science by the anti-Russian government
        3. pensioner
          pensioner 28 June 2013 10: 40 New
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          Quote: Ruslan67
          Point from one end

          Point from the other end ... (that’s how it goes in more). Good afternoon!
        4. yak69
          yak69 28 June 2013 23: 55 New
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          Quote: Ruslan67
          Take an aspen stake. Point at one end ...

          All right you say. Here are just a count of aspen, they won’t let them get to the goal. And sticking it into the iPhone duplex by the very knot also does not work. There, the valiant FSO works qualitatively. And they have whom to protect by bolt - not so long ago Ksyusha Sobchak was guarded, now there are Lebanon-Fursenkovs, etc. cherish. It’s also understandable from whom they are being cherished - from grateful citizens of the Russian Federation, the CIA has no reason to attack them - they are on their salary. But our citizens, they would have shown their fiery love, with the greatest pleasure! Although not everything is far away. The elections of the last 6 years have clearly shown the level of stupefaction of our voters. About 30% of those who vote for the duet, this is a statement of a serious illness. A third of citizens for those who shred the country !!!
          So, aspen stake can not do here. Here it is necessary to carry out the general cleaning throughout the country, carefully, consistently, without fear of dirty work and not paying attention to the opinion of neighbors.
          1. yak69
            yak69 29 June 2013 00: 01 New
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            And I have no doubt that the Lebanese and Fursen women will do their job perfectly-- they will finish their education with science, and then Putin will attach them closer to himself (Fursenko and Golikova are already nearby, in the Kremlin) ...
    2. Beibit
      Beibit 28 June 2013 07: 36 New
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      and as soon as the country suffers such heroes ... What kind of cat mouse between Putin and Medvedev ?! Putin says one thing, and Medvedev does another ... Dimon sold out ... and Livanov is generally an ENEMY of the STATE ...
      1. Was mammoth
        Was mammoth 28 June 2013 10: 26 New
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        Quote: Beibit
        What kind of cat mouse between Putin and Medvedev ?! Putin says one thing and Medvedev does the other ...

        Well, Putin doesn’t know that
        Quote: Beibit
        Dimon sold out ... and Livanov is generally an ENEMY of the STATE ...
        .Not he appointed and supports. And so ...? Or wouldn’t it?
        The cynicism of those who want to "saw" in power knows no boundaries. And it doesn’t matter to them that "saw" is defense, science, education ....
      2. baltika-18
        baltika-18 28 June 2013 12: 31 New
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        Quote: Beibit
        What kind of cat mouse between Putin and Medvedev ?! Putin says one thing, and Medvedev does another.

        No, there are no cat and mouse ...
        Just Putin speaks for the people, and makes for his own kind, that's all ....
        What is happening now in general in the country and in the world is called to fulfill the plan and stake out a place in the lists of the world elite, and all the games on the world stage from Putin’s side are aimed only to rise higher in the hierarchy, not to be on the last roles, here and that’s it.
        1. nycsson
          nycsson 28 June 2013 12: 55 New
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          Quote: baltika-18
          Just Putin speaks for the people, and makes for his own kind, that's all ....

          Well, that’s obvious ....... hi
          Quote: baltika-18
          What is happening now in general in the country and in the world is called to fulfill the plan and stake out a place in the lists of the world elite, and all the games on the world stage from Putin’s side are aimed only to rise higher in the hierarchy, not to be on the last roles, here and that’s it.

          Totally agree with you! hi
    3. Tersky
      Tersky 28 June 2013 07: 41 New
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      Quote: fenix57
      It turns out that both Livanov and the “prime minister” want to destroy what remains of science!

      Valery, hi ! You are an optimist fellow, something tells me that there’s nothing left, and if so, after the words of the prime minister, Medvedev said that the current management system of various academies of sciences of state subordination (and there are also non-state ones) does not meet the new requirements. there will be a full vacuum, well, in Russian, F *** a. This is what these "gentlemen" are striving for:
      1. nycsson
        nycsson 28 June 2013 11: 04 New
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        Quote: Tersky
        This is what these "gentlemen" are striving for:

        With our silent consent!
    4. Turik
      Turik 28 June 2013 08: 18 New
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      I myself graduated from FizTech 2 years ago, tried to find work in a research institute and various Skolkovo students, in order to engage in REAL science. As a result, I realized that if I work there, I will tritely throw away my hooves from hunger. As a result, oil companies remained the only option, but what kind of scientific activity can be discussed there?

      If we drive oil and gas for export, then why do we need science? We need it to build airplanes, cars, machine tools, make the clothes we wear and the electronics we use. Which of the above is what we use on a daily basis in Russia ??
      1. Volkhov
        Volkhov 28 June 2013 09: 10 New
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        Quote: Turik
        to do REAL science

        The academy does not have science - they even don’t have a model of a normal Earth’s magnetic field, that is, they consider the Earth to be a planet and deceive others.
      2. leon-iv
        leon-iv 28 June 2013 11: 05 New
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        YES what you say, I understand that everyone immediately wants to be the director of Gazprom. Only in my city there are young people in science. That is the question.
    5. nerd.su
      nerd.su 28 June 2013 09: 32 New
      +5
      Quote: fenix57
      It turns out that both Livanov and the “prime minister” want to destroy what remains of science!


      The army still defeated Serdyukov. We are watching the next series - will academicians fight off Livanov? And when will they tear down the screen for making unpopular decisions (or raider seizures of state property?) - Mr. Medvedev?
      1. nerd.su
        nerd.su 28 June 2013 10: 11 New
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        Isn’t it that Mr. Medvedev himself put me a minus here? laughing
      2. Airman
        Airman 28 June 2013 17: 57 New
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        Quote: bot.su
        Quote: fenix57
        It turns out that both Livanov and the “prime minister” want to destroy what remains of science!


        The army still defeated Serdyukov. We are watching the next series - will academicians fight off Livanov? And when will they tear down the screen for making unpopular decisions (or raider seizures of state property?) - Mr. Medvedev?


        Yes, not the army defeated Serdyuk, but Vasiliev, set the front, and he could not resist. But his father-in-law didn’t forgive him.
    6. stroporez
      stroporez 28 June 2013 09: 43 New
      +1
      Quote: fenix57
      what to do with these "figures" sovereign ....
      bayonet in the boom ............
      1. experienced
        experienced 28 June 2013 09: 54 New
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        Think about why Serdyukov has been “reforming” the Armed Forces and the Navy for so long, Fursenko-Livanov is “reforming" education, other ministers are "reforming" healthcare, housing and communal services, social services ... The result is visible to everyone, from these "reforms" it only gets worse: in the Army, combat readiness is declining, schoolchildren are dull and pass the notorious Unified State Examination, on which "small fish" profit, housing and communal services - tariffs are rising, infrastructure is deteriorating in all areas. The word "reform" stood on one level with the words "glasnost, perestroika," are all these ministers themselves gathered together in a bunch and "crap" Russia? Maybe enough to endure a humble “The king is good and does not know how the boyars steal”? And then everyone is screaming GDP is lifting Russia from its knees and right there they are ready to put ministers on a stake ... Are you not funny yourself?
        1. JonnyT
          JonnyT 28 June 2013 17: 11 New
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          Yes, it's time to punish the whole elite for their deeds! one thief in power and traitors!
          Everywhere sr @ kickbacks and tricky schemes with one-day firms And the worst thing is that it has already entered the minds of people as normal!
          I see foreign equipment and I know we can do the same and even better, there is nothing supernatural. Give us the resources and the opportunity to do it and we will, of course there will be difficulties and mistakes, but we will !!! And they support hucksters and schemers - bastards!
          Oh, they are being reformed! They will arrange a blood bath for them.
          The people then see clearly, their energy of self-purification accumulates. The current thieves-schemers are not long left!
    7. nycsson
      nycsson 28 June 2013 09: 45 New
      +3
      Quote: fenix57
      It turns out that both Livanov and the “prime minister” want to destroy what remains of science! And in this case there is no need to look for who is to blame; everything is clear with this; you need to think, what to do with these "leaders" of the sovereign ....


      Moscow Kremlin
      29 декабря 2012 года
      N2 273-FZ
      Putin

      This is the end of the text in the new law on education, which comes into force on 01.09.2013 year. I recommend reading. There is a lot of "interesting"!
      1. leon-iv
        leon-iv 28 June 2013 11: 04 New
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        And cheat there is so terribly interesting?
        1. nycsson
          nycsson 28 June 2013 11: 08 New
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          Quote: leon-iv
          And cheat there is so terribly interesting?

          Read and find out.
          1. leon-iv
            leon-iv 28 June 2013 11: 18 New
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            read here I would like to discuss with you
            Personally, I don’t like it. About the need to take into account regional particularities. I believe that only having a single school base can we get the Empire. But these problems come from the USSR.
            1. nycsson
              nycsson 28 June 2013 13: 00 New
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              Quote: leon-iv
              read here I would like to discuss with you

              Interestingly I took in quotes! In fact, there is nothing interesting there! The process of fooling the population continues .........
              Most of all I do not like the commercial activities of universities! The second higher education is paid - this is generally nonsense! I believe that in our country education should be completely free! At least the second, even the tenth highest.
              I myself am studying in a magistracy, for 2 of the year and 6 of the month you will need to pay 147 of thousands !!! Not everyone in our country can afford this.
              1. leon-iv
                leon-iv 28 June 2013 16: 10 New
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                I myself am studying in a magistracy, for 2 of the year and 6 of the month you will need to pay 147 of thousands !!! Not everyone in our country can afford this.

                Didn’t go for free? And so acquaintances from a strike study in magistracy for free.
                At least the second, even the tenth highest.

                And I do not think so.
                The second is usually obtained for advanced training in order to corny earn more dough. In 90% of cases, the enterprise pays for technical specialties.
                Most of all I do not like the commercial activities of universities!

                Self-financing was under the USSR and no one gurgled that the research institute that just universities.
                So maybe all the same we will not talk empty-handed but about specific articles that you do not like.
                1. nycsson
                  nycsson 28 June 2013 18: 37 New
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                  Quote: leon-iv
                  Didn’t go for free?

                  The second higher free in our country does not happen.
                  Quote: leon-iv
                  And so acquaintances from a strike study in magistracy for free.

                  It can't be like that. True, if they went there on the basis of undergraduate studies, then maybe.
                  Quote: leon-iv
                  And I do not think so.

                  Well, in vain. As an example, I can put Iran. There, any level of education is free.
                  Quote: leon-iv
                  The second is usually obtained for advanced training in order to corny earn more dough. In 90% of cases, the enterprise pays for technical specialties.

                  I do not agree with you. Loot has nothing to do with it. For advanced training there is a CCP - these are advanced training courses - 3-6 months - maximum.

                  Quote: leon-iv
                  So maybe all the same we will not talk empty-handed but about specific articles that you do not like.


                  Article 107.
                  Recognition of education and / or
                  qualifications obtained in a foreign
                  state
                  I don’t like this article at all.
    8. pensioner
      pensioner 28 June 2013 10: 39 New
      +1
      Good afternoon Phoenix! Nothing, nothing ... Let’s go through the bottom of the sine wave. It will be easier further!
    9. Melchakov
      Melchakov 28 June 2013 14: 25 New
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      And now, explain to me, hooray-patriot, that a terrible thing happened. Academy of Arts, Architecture and Engineering. sciences will lose the status of academies? What a horror.
      1. Melchakov
        Melchakov 28 June 2013 14: 59 New
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        I look forward to hearing.
        1. ifolga
          ifolga 28 June 2013 16: 30 New
          +4
          The question is not that someone will be deprived of the status of Academies, the question is the destruction of science in Russia. After the creation of Academservice, the sawing off of the RAS property will begin, and that little, in terms of instruments, installations, experimental sites, etc., what remains remains will be destroyed. You can simply forget about financing. No matter how much money is allocated, they will all be mastered by "effective managers" like Livanov, who know how to master 53 state millions, but have no idea (despite the education, how to make good armor for a tank. RAS, among other things, does a lot for development defense systems. Their work is supervised by the military (rank to colonel general). They can improve weapons in the design bureau (for example, make a crossbow from a bow), but they cannot construct anything on other physical principles of action (for example, switch from a bow to a gun ) And in this regard, the destruction of science is worse than the complete nuclear disarmament of Russia, and at the end of the moratorium on the admission of new members of the RAS, the academics will be not promising scientists, but all the same “effective managers”.
    10. 755962
      755962 28 June 2013 20: 55 New
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      “It was prepared secretly and fell down from above”: scientists named the main reason for rejection of the reform of the RAS and are already waiting for “brothers”
      The government reform of the Russian Academy of Sciences, which has become a big and unpleasant surprise for many in the scientific community, continues to receive angry responses. Their authors give different arguments, although one common thing is clearly visible, and it is clearly not connected with the desire of the “nursing home” to leave everything as it is.

      “It is alarming that this decision was being prepared secretly and fell from above,” was the correspondent member of the Russian Academy of Education, mathematician Alexander Abramov, formulated the common cause of dissatisfaction. “They (the government) want to do all this without us, without the Academy of Sciences. When it is imposed from above, it’s unpleasant,” said the same head of the Russian Academy of Sciences’s anti-pseudoscience commission Yevgeny Alexandrov.


      http://www.newsru.com/russia/28jun2013/bratki.html
  2. romuchik
    romuchik 28 June 2013 07: 13 New
    +5
    Dimon iPhone Medvedev sold for iPhone. Looks like he and Putin are no longer friends. IPhone hurry to sell off the last thing left and to spoil Putin as much as possible until the fall, when he and his accomplices are supposedly kicked out of the government. To take property management from the RAS means that the property of the RAS will be sold on a cheap basis to its partners in medvedos.
  3. krasin
    krasin 28 June 2013 07: 17 New
    +4
    Careful with science, it’s not for you to twist the sparrows! wassat recourse
  4. ole
    ole 28 June 2013 07: 21 New
    +7
    Do you also have science ?! Urgently optimize everything, put management in charge wassat

    Well, then GDP is again the people who are not in the know, it is necessary to inform the people, otherwise the boyars of the Herods must be overcome.
  5. fenix57
    fenix57 28 June 2013 07: 26 New
    +6
    Quote: Garrin
    The question is HOW to do this with them.

    A couple of days ago there was a suggestion to recall the successes in the field of Soviet psychiatry .... It seems the most, but ... bully
  6. AKOL
    AKOL 28 June 2013 07: 30 New
    +2
    it's just that there are no words, if these figures also "transform" science, then perhaps they will have no more crap. However, all this is very sad.
  7. pavelk
    pavelk 28 June 2013 07: 35 New
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    It is noteworthy that at the moment when the Government announced the beginning of reform in the scientific field, material was released regarding the rating of world scientific systems. The rating was prepared abroad, and therefore it was not a priori expected from this rating any laudatory odes to Russian science.
    An important detail: when publishing the rating, the same “experts” from NPG for some reason did not emphasize that they studied publication activity exclusively in English-language scientific journals. Of course, we knew about English linguistic chauvinism in recent years, but to come to that ...


    And still to estimate a cake? Go to pubmed.com look for Russia and then China and then Poland. So Poland prints per year more than Russia 1000 and China 12 times more. Of course, science in Russia has almost no effect. As many articles as Russia prints one University of California.

    Articles not in English no one quotes. By the way, the official language of science in Germany is English.
    1. Borninussr
      Borninussr 28 June 2013 08: 27 New
      -3
      Yeah, and even in Germany gay marriage is held in high esteem and the Foreign Minister is gay. Let us all be equal to them, Mr. Troll.
    2. Rumata
      Rumata 28 June 2013 12: 10 New
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      Quote: pavelk
      As many articles as Russia prints one University of California.

      The whole planet uses English as the language of science, in Russia they don’t even translate their scientific works, and then they talk about some kind of chauvinism. I understand that young scientists have not grown up yet, and the old ones don’t really know English, but paying for the translation is not so difficult .
      1. JonnyT
        JonnyT 28 June 2013 17: 14 New
        0
        yeah, so that the bourgeois read and study?
        No, let them learn Russian better!
  8. ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 28 June 2013 08: 09 New
    +5
    Dmitry Livanov, answering this question, says that Academy of EducationAcademy of Arts and Architecture, Academy of Building Sciencesmay disappear as such and in some other form will fall under the “guardianship” of state executive bodies.

    It turns out that SCIENCE in Russia will now deal with mmmmmmE-E-E-E-E-Yededzhery. These "DIMS" want to spoil Russia as much as possible. But what about the members of the government? It turns out they are either all bought, or the CIA agents, or complete ignoramuses, otherwise how can you go about all these stupid "reforms", not one of which has improved the situation in any area where the filthy one has not touched it (reform) PAW! Are there really no adequate people?
    1. the polar
      the polar 28 June 2013 08: 59 New
      +4
      Quote: ia-ai00
      Dmitry Livanov, answering this question, says that Academy of EducationAcademy of Arts and Architecture, Academy of Building Sciencesmay disappear as such and in some other form will fall under the “guardianship” of state executive bodies.

      It turns out that in Russia, MMmmmmE-E-E-E-E-Yededzhery will now be engaged in SCIENCE. These "DIMS" want to spoil Russia as much as possible. But what about the members of the government? It turns out they are either all bought, or the CIA agents, or complete ignoramuses, otherwise how can you go about all these stupid "reforms", not one of which has improved the situation in any area where the filthy one has not touched it (reform) PAW! Are there really no adequate people?

      They are there all quite adequate traitors and carry out the task entrusted to them.
    2. nerd.su
      nerd.su 28 June 2013 10: 16 New
      +1
      Quote: ia-ai00
      But what about the members of the government? It turns out there, or they are all bought, or the Central Agency agents, or complete ignoramuses, otherwise how can you go on about all these stupid "reforms"

      Dmitry Anatolyevich personally selected members of this government. So what is pop, such is the coming.
      1. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 28 June 2013 11: 04 New
        +3
        Quote: bot.su
        Dmitry Anatolyevich personally selected members of this government. So what is pop, such is the coming.
        Well, how can you not be minus for this stupidity? no

        Article 83, paragraphs a) and e), and just in case c) of the Constitution of the Russian Federation - read and enjoy.
        1. nycsson
          nycsson 28 June 2013 11: 20 New
          +2
          Quote: Yarosvet
          Article 83 paragraphs a) and e), and just in case c) - read and enjoy.

          Yes, they need to lay it all out! hi So useless! Now they will think, but where is such an article ?! wassat And she is in the Constitution of the Russian Federation!

          Article 83

          President of Russian Federation:
          a) appoint, with the consent of the State Duma, the Chairman of the Government of the Russian Federation;
          b) has the right to chair meetings of the Government of the Russian Federation;
          c) decide on the resignation of the Government of the Russian Federation;
          d) submits to the State Duma a candidate for appointment to the post of Chairman of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation; puts before the State Duma the issue of dismissal of the Chairman of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation;
          e) at the suggestion of the Chairman of the Government of the Russian Federation, appoints and dismisses the deputies of the Chairman of the Government of the Russian Federation, federal ministers;
          f) presents to the Council of the Federation candidates for appointment as judges of the Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation, the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation, the Supreme Arbitration Court of the Russian Federation, as well as the candidacy of the Prosecutor General of the Russian Federation; submits to the Federation Council a proposal for the dismissal of the Prosecutor General of the Russian Federation; appoints judges to other federal courts;
          g) forms and heads the Security Council of the Russian Federation, the status of which is determined by federal law;
          h) approves the military doctrine of the Russian Federation;
          i) forms the Administration of the President of the Russian Federation;
          j) appoints and dismisses plenipotentiaries of the President of the Russian Federation;
          k) appoints and dismisses the supreme command of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation;
          m) appoints and withdraws, after consultation with the relevant committees or commissions of the chambers of the Federal Assembly, of diplomatic representatives of the Russian Federation in foreign states and international organizations.
          1. Yarosvet
            Yarosvet 28 June 2013 11: 44 New
            +3
            Quote: nycsson

            Yes, damn it, enrages already - anyhow what to write:

            One is to blame for everything and it’s supposedly impossible to dismiss him to hell with dogs, but the fact that Vova has written an iPhone from the cultural capital is a memory burden.

            He admires the other achievements from the made-up sites and didn’t give a damn about the fact that the "set off last" rule was not just invented.

            The third, despite the minimum wage set below the cost of living, that is, a direct violation by the president of Article 7 of the Constitution and 133 of the Labor Code, refuses to see this violation point-blank.

            What is a pedriotic disease like, or just oligophrenia?
            1. nycsson
              nycsson 28 June 2013 13: 12 New
              +1
              Quote: Yarosvet
              Yes, damn it, enrages already - anyhow what to write:

              And how infuriates me if you knew! Here, you see, it is not our people’s business. It's all about vodka, beer, cigarettes, drugs and the media. Here is the weapon that the West uses to fool our population. Ignoramuses are easier to manage than literate.
              About the minimum wage it is better to be silent at all! You see what’s the matter. In a country that has chosen the course of a raw material colony for itself, the population, especially pensioners, people with disabilities, etc. - This is an extra burden. This is the state that is fighting this population with the help of the minimum wage, pensions, paid education and corruption! Something like this, I understand it all!

              Quote: Yarosvet
              What is a pedriotic disease like, or just oligophrenia?

              This is basic illiteracy! hi
              1. Yarosvet
                Yarosvet 28 June 2013 16: 18 New
                +1
                Quote: nycsson
                This is basic illiteracy!


                All you write correctly, but - spruce! - After all, you can at least elementary turn on the brain and read the Constitution of your own country!
                And the enthusiastic part of the citizens instead listens to Uncle Fedorov.

                Yes, with this attitude, no external enemy is necessary to us - we will cover ourselves.
                1. nycsson
                  nycsson 28 June 2013 18: 56 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Yarosvet
                  All you write correctly, but - spruce! - After all, you can at least elementary turn on the brain and read the Constitution of your own country!

                  Until recently, I, too, did not differ from the bulk, until I went to study for a magistracy in the specialty "State and municipal administration." For more than two years I have been studying economics, management theory, foreign economic activity, personnel management, etc. So "sucked" that does not tear. Books need to be read, then there will be less questions.
                  I will give you a concrete example: one source claims (I completely agree with it) that everything on our globe has been done due to electromotive force! A hydroelectric power station or a nuclear power plant generates electric energy; it is delivered to enterprises by power lines. Due to this, all kinds of machines spin, melt iron ore, evaporate gasoline from oil, etc. It is obvious. So, if you legislatively set the price for 1 kW of electric energy, then this will be a solid foundation for all pricing. It is clear that before this it will be necessary to nationalize all nuclear power plants and hydroelectric power stations and power lines of federal scale. Cost of 1 kW el. we have about 10 cents. And how much do we pay? laughing
                  Quote: Yarosvet
                  And the enthusiastic part of the citizens instead listens to Uncle Fedorov.

                  He bears such nonsense ..... negative At first I was seduced too, but not for long. Then he turned on the brains and understood everything.
                  Quote: Yarosvet
                  Yes, with this attitude, no external enemy is necessary to us - we will cover ourselves.

                  Until people realize what is happening, their appetites will only grow! sad
                  1. Yarosvet
                    Yarosvet 28 June 2013 19: 59 New
                    +1
                    Quote: nycsson
                    Until recently, I, too, did not differ from the bulk, until I went to study for a magistracy in the specialty "State and municipal administration." For more than two years I have been studying economics, management theory, foreign economic activity, personnel management, etc. So "sucked" that does not tear. Books need to be read, then there will be less questions.
                    100% good
                    In this regard, I was probably lucky (sociology was a core subject), which is probably why an enhanced PR caught my eye.

                    one source claims (I completely agree with him) that everything on our globe is done due to electromotive force! The cost of 1 kW el. we have about 10 cents. And how much do we pay?
                    The binding of the equivalent to electricity is justified within the framework of the socialist model for the domestic market: it excludes speculation, and as a result, playing on the course.
                    .
                    As for prices, should our unfortunate large capital somehow compensate for the overvaluation of the dollar against the ruble by 65%?
                    And the promised GDP growth without inflation is impossible, but at least one of the promised needs to be fulfilled, and so that it is something that is visible to everyone.
                    Plus - complicating life increases stress levels, thereby shortening not only life, but also hindering the reproduction of new generations.

                    He carries such nonsense ..... I, at the beginning, also got seduced, but not for long. Then he turned on the brains and understood everything.
                    I know that there are no miracles in the world, therefore, Edross cannot defend the interests of the majority, but at first I was also surprised by the changes in his rhetoric - however, it was worth scrolling through his starlet a couple of times and listening carefully, and everything immediately fell into place.
                    Interestingly, this pretzel not only worked with the red one, but also with Sobchak. And Zhenya’s deputy was at one time Borya Nadezhdin from SPS. laughing

                    Until people realize what is happening, their appetites will only grow!
                    Alas - but this is so, and what the hell do you do.
                    And the worst thing will happen if Vladimir Polevanov’s horror story about the Gulf Stream turns out to be true - in this case we have every chance to cover up with booty before anything comes to the enthusiastic ones.
                    1. nycsson
                      nycsson 28 June 2013 23: 45 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Yarosvet
                      the subject was sociology

                      Going to graduate school in management sociology .....
                      Quote: Yarosvet
                      it excludes speculation, and as a result, playing on the course.

                      And inflation by itself ......
                      Quote: Yarosvet
                      And the promised GDP growth without inflation is impossible, but at least one of the promised needs to be fulfilled, and so that it is something that is visible to everyone.

                      Therefore, they raised the fuss for the nationalization of the Central Bank. They promised a lot, but the Central Bank can’t print as much as you want ......
                      Quote: Yarosvet
                      Plus - complicating life increases stress levels, thereby shortening not only life, but also hindering the reproduction of new generations.

                      It is by itself. Everything is done for us not for people. In Krasnodar, housing is molded between houses, the concentration of the population is such that it’s hard to breathe, while parking lots, schools, kindergartens are not built!
                      Quote: Yarosvet
                      Interestingly, this pretzel not only worked with the red one, but also with Sobchak. And Zhenya’s deputy was at one time Borya Nadezhdin from SPS.

                      Did not know! Well, then, everything fell into place. laughing
                      Quote: Yarosvet
                      Alas - but this is so, and what the hell do you do.

                      Quote: Yarosvet
                      And the worst thing will happen if Vladimir Polevanov’s horror story about the Gulf Stream turns out to be true - in this case we have every chance to cover up with booty before anything comes to the enthusiastic ones.

                      About the current or what? I heard something .......
                      1. Yarosvet
                        Yarosvet 29 June 2013 01: 18 New
                        0
                        Quote: nycsson
                        Going to graduate school in management sociology .....
                        drinks

                        And inflation by itself ......
                        Of course: I’m actually saying that such a model excludes loan interest, that is, it’s already a state plan with a state monopoly on financial transactions, and capitalism is in the woods.
                        Someone even at the thought of this state of affairs juggles. laughing

                        Therefore, they raised the fuss for the nationalization of the Central Bank. They promised a lot, but the Central Bank can’t print as much as you want ......
                        Aha - Demura walked well on this topic (and along Fedorov at the same time) lol

                        It is by itself. Everything is done for us not for people. In Krasnodar, housing is molded between houses, the concentration of the population is such that it’s hard to breathe, while parking lots, schools, kindergartens are not built!
                        To be sure that it is not for people.
                        It seems that everything is being done DIRECTLY AGAINST people, although I really do not want to believe in it.

                        Did not know! Well, then, everything fell into place.
                        http://via-midgard.info/news/edinoross-fyodorov-stavlennik-chubajsa-lozh.htm

                        About the current or what? I heard something .......
                        http://www.dynacon.ru/content/articles/527/
                2. nerd.su
                  nerd.su 29 June 2013 00: 00 New
                  0
                  Quote: Yarosvet
                  All you write correctly, but - spruce! - After all, you can at least elementary turn on the brain and read the Constitution of your own country!

                  So you read paragraph d of Article 83 carefully! If he doesn’t tell you anything, you are a pure theoretical lawyer. And so it is clear that Putin is stealing everything. But it is not clear why Medvedev is so meekly doing such an ungrateful job, working out the image of an idiot? Maybe because this image corresponds to the beliefs of Dmitry Anatolyevich?
                  1. Yarosvet
                    Yarosvet 29 June 2013 01: 42 New
                    0
                    From I love simple people, without troubles, without vykany! laughing

                    Have you carefully read it yourself?

                    Now think - which sane boss will pick up a team whose actions will diverge from his ideas? None, and in case of an error the "weak link" flies out a kick in the ass.

                    I’m familiar with Vova with an iPhone from St. Petersburg, since working with Sobchak (a liberal - which one to look for), if not earlier. The iPhone itself is nobody, but a great performer.
                    Everyone has their own roles - the iPhone has the role of a scapegoat, a bad cop. Beliefs are appropriate.

                    But there is one caveat: Vova and an iPhone have been together for a very long time - therefore, not one iPhone has such convictions (only this can explain the course of the current socio-economic policy, which has not changed since the EBNya).

                    In general - think.
                    1. nerd.su
                      nerd.su 29 June 2013 13: 24 New
                      0
                      Quote: Yarosvet
                      Now think - which sane boss will pick up a team whose actions will diverge from his ideas? None, and in case of an error the "weak link" flies out a kick in the ass.

                      So yes. For the government, Medvedev, he picked up a team for himself, as far as possible. And that means he’s not that nobody. Of course, he would hardly have been given the key ministers to choose for himself, so he could. And the Minister of Education and Science is his nominee. After all, it was not the Foreign Minister who began to argue that it was necessary to rid the diplomats of functions unusual for them. So what is pop - such is the coming!

                      And the fact that Putin has known Medvedev since ancient times and Medvedev his man is beyond doubt. That is why Putin looked through his fingers at the acts of the Medvedevs in the army. Moreover, the army is the only danger to Putin. So he pressed her, mainly with the wrong hands. Now Medvedev has been given up to science. It did not work with the army, poor Muammar opened his eyes to the new realities of the world and Shoigu was urgently sent to save the situation.

                      Quote: Yarosvet
                      The iPhone itself is nobody, but a great performer.
                      Everyone has their own roles - the iPhone has the role of a scapegoat, a bad cop. Beliefs are appropriate.

                      I wonder if people call the Prime Minister an iPhone, so does self-esteem increase? Like I called him, a little bastard, called! (And you love simple people too, self-esteem does not suffer against their background laughing ) But in the country, democracy, if you wrote poems in the newspapers about Molotov in the 40s, calling him a stone ass, that would be an act. And so it looks like a schoolboy smile
                      The role of the police in the tandem in foreign affairs. And there Putin is an evil police officer, and Medvedev is kind. And for the country, Putin is a strict, but fair boss, tsar-father. And Medvedev is a distant master-tyrant. From which only the king the priest can save.

                      Quote: Yarosvet
                      But there is one caveat: Vova and an iPhone have been together for a very long time - therefore, not one iPhone has such convictions (only this can explain the course of the current socio-economic policy, which has not changed since the EBNya).

                      So because Putin needs a man like the current prime minister, they do not part. Therefore, it would be nice to tear down this screen for making unpopular decisions, until Putin figured out how to manage without it.
                      1. Yarosvet
                        Yarosvet 30 June 2013 15: 46 New
                        0
                        Quote: bot.su
                        So yes. For the government, Medvedev, he picked up a team for himself, as far as possible.
                        Any minister is approved by the president, so really -
                        what a pop - such is the coming!
                        Only pop is not Medvedev.

                        That is why Putin looked through his fingers at the acts of the Medvedevs in the army.
                        Only stools are not Medvedev's, but Putin's.

                        I wonder if people call the Prime Minister an iPhone, so does self-esteem increase?
                        Not - thus hostility is demonstrated. And in your opinion it should be called solely by the priest, despite the fact that he only deserves a message from his mother?

                        The role of the police in the tandem in foreign affairs. And there Putin is an evil police officer, and Medvedev is kind. And for the country, Putin is a strict, but fair boss, tsar-father. And Medvedev is a distant master-tyrant. From which only the king the priest can save.
                        From - but they do that one thing.

                        So because Putin needs a man like the current prime minister, they do not part. Therefore, it would be nice to tear down this screen for making unpopular decisions, until Putin figured out how to manage without it.
                        It would be good - only Vova understands this. Hence the old people with the Fedorovs, who talk about the patriot in the camp of the liberals, who, under the conditions of occupation, raises the country from its knees - and people like it, people are being led.
                      2. nerd.su
                        nerd.su 30 June 2013 17: 43 New
                        0
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        Any minister is approved by the president, so really -
                        what a pop - such is the coming!
                        Only pop is not Medvedev.


                        Medvedev, Medvedev. Putin is then the Metropolitan.


                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        Only stools are not Medvedev's, but Putin's.

                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        From - but they do that one thing.

                        Don’t convince me, I understand that. But, unfortunately, I see no alternative to Putin among the freaks of the so-called Russian political elite.

                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        Hence the old people with the Fedorovs, who talk about the patriot in the camp of the liberals, who, under the conditions of occupation, raises the country from its knees - and people like it, people are being led.

                        Starikov interestingly broadcasts. But Fedorov looks like an idiot ...
                        But I am not very familiar with their work.
                      3. Yarosvet
                        Yarosvet 30 June 2013 19: 17 New
                        0
                        Quote: bot.su
                        Medvedev, Medvedev. Putin is then the Metropolitan.
                        You could say that.
                        In any case, he is the personification of Power, the main person involved.

                        Don’t convince me, I understand that. But, unfortunately, I see no alternative to Putin among the freaks of the so-called Russian political elite.
                        And you will not see - they will not give.
                        But if you managed to put, for example, Uncle Zyu in the main chair, and the last one, whether he wanted it or not, would have to fulfill his promises - he would be more controlled by society than the specifically fixed Pu, and the vector of politics in this case would be changed to side of the sociality of the state.

                        Starikov interestingly broadcasts. But Fedorov looks like an idiot ...
                        But I am not very familiar with their work.
                        Lost a lot - take an interest. laughing
                        In general, all these interesting broadcasts, upon closer examination, turn out to be a banal substitution of concepts. They describe the form, but completely distort the essence. hi
          2. nerd.su
            nerd.su 29 June 2013 00: 34 New
            0
            Quote: nycsson
            Quote: Yarosvet
            Yes, damn it, enrages already - anyhow what to write:

            And how infuriates me if you knew! Here, you see, it is not our people’s business. It's all about vodka, beer, cigarettes, drugs and the media. Here is the weapon that the West uses to fool our population. Ignoramuses are easier to manage than literate.

            Yopta ... laughing
            You would have, gentlemen, masters, you would have taken weapons for fooling you, but you would have shot yourself at a hundred grams. And then from your academic reasoning you get the impression that the skull is squeezing you, there is so much mind ...
            Maybe he didn’t speak diplomatically, but honestly.
            1. Yarosvet
              Yarosvet 29 June 2013 02: 02 New
              0
              Ento shakes us a skull ?! belay

              Nooo, man - you’re a nerd with us, so it’s for you yes
              1. nerd.su
                nerd.su 29 June 2013 13: 29 New
                0
                Quote: Yarosvet
                you have a nerd, then you press

                he doesn’t press the nerds, we have glasses to balance the pressure outside.
  • Garrin
    Garrin 28 June 2013 12: 17 New
    +3
    Quote: ia-ai00
    It turns out that SCIENCE in Russia will now deal with mmmmmmE-E-E-E-E-Yededzhery.

    Duc and so already red-headed Chubys at the forefront of the attack of a scientific breakthrough.
  • Thirsty for wind
    Thirsty for wind 28 June 2013 08: 30 New
    +4
    I’m a strange person, a master lomaster.
    What everything through J. will not undertake. Even if without malicious intent, it’s still not comme il faut.
    I recall how in childhood we had a kid in our yard, everything was breaking constantly in his hands in an unimaginable way, asked me to play an all-terrain vehicle, and sold me a button on the remote control. Velik took a tour around the house, arrives with a broken wheel ...
    1. stroporez
      stroporez 28 June 2013 09: 48 New
      +3
      exactly what
      Quote: Thirsty for the wind
      individual
      when Vova appointed him as his successor, didn’t know about it ???????
  • darksoul
    darksoul 28 June 2013 08: 35 New
    +1
    Quote: Garrin
    What to do with them, too, is generally clear. The question is HOW to do this with them.


    No way .... Medvedev said the minister is not a bargaining chip, so with the current composition headed by Medvedev, they will continue to steer with impunity
  • krakozyabr777
    krakozyabr777 28 June 2013 08: 57 New
    +6
    Yes, they are all there one team. To one degree or another, agents of influence. Putin is less, Dima is more. But all have one task - to make Russia a banana republic. Which is very good for them. I would like to believe the opposite, but as recent events show, there is nothing to hope for. It’s sad and painful.
    1. Volkhov
      Volkhov 28 June 2013 09: 16 New
      -1
      http://warfiles.ru/33449-damask-udar-iz-glubiny.html

      On the contrary, everything is just beginning, Russia confidently goes to the leaders of the New World.
    2. nycsson
      nycsson 28 June 2013 10: 24 New
      +1
      Quote: krakozyabr777
      but as recent events show, there is nothing to hope for.

      Everyone in the country needs to start with themselves! Stop drinking and smoking, play sports! A sober and sane person to manage i.e. in our case, hanging noodles on your ears is much harder, or even not possible!
      Quote: krakozyabr777
      But all have one task - to make Russia a banana republic.

      We have long been a banana republic, except for the military-industrial complex! They still need the military-industrial complex and the army for their own defense against external enemies.
  • engineer74
    engineer74 28 June 2013 09: 01 New
    +4
    I think I know the next post that will take S.K. Shoigu, in 5 years! The Ministry of Defense is not enough for them! With the same song on the same rake, no words ...
    I remember Serdyukov also stuttered that the army should be engaged only in combat training, and specialists will figure out the property and money ... sad
  • Konsmo
    Konsmo 28 June 2013 09: 09 New
    +3
    Bt. And what is there, in science, our academics came up with a new one. Academics stupidly lease the premises of the Stalin era of construction. This is the result of their work. It’s a pity Kapitsa died. There is no one on TV to talk about our achievements, if any. But there is, bring it into the room, show the people. Real estate is correctly taken away, not x .., let them do business.
    I have a tribe in graduate school, next year to defend myself. All in frustrated feelings, what should be brought in looms, says half a lemon at least. Knowledgeable people suggest. Where did the money come from? For experiments, we periodically give him a coffee grinder (you need to get the powder, then you need to maintain the industrial temperature for the hairdryer). If you go to Auchan, buy (citric acid) 20 rubles. And she is gone. For his birthday, we want to give him a good microscope. And at the same time. Now they are conducting research, they wanted to create a company, if with the institute then give 40 percent. For what! If only they helped with advertising. Customers for work appeared, they began to discuss monetary issues. From the top (the institute’s management, they’ve already entered, give 600000 rubles)
    A guy worked with me, he also studied at a graduate school, a programmer. Recently I accidentally crossed paths. As a graduate school, Pasha, as they say, I did not pull money. He was given work to determine the fertility by radiation and reflection from the soil. I did one for the institute. One of which on the Kaluzhskaya metro, a long such building. Well, in short, they patted him on the shoulder, they did well. They got some bonuses for this. Only Pasha was out of work.
    In short, in this scientific synagogue, you have to turn the eggs in the other direction. It only works for itself.
  • Ivga_lis
    Ivga_lis 28 June 2013 09: 22 New
    +4
    Livanov is directly Feldmebel, only in science and education.
    To the foundation, and then ... No, good intentions, but in fact - half will be reduced, one third will be retired, left with a mosquito x * r. And not experts, but opportunists.
    There were only a few teachers with really fundamental knowledge at universities, and all of it was of either retirement or pre-retirement age. The level of "young" teachers (i.e., 25-40 years old) is noticeably lower and they are much smaller
    1. Airman
      Airman 28 June 2013 12: 21 New
      0
      Quote: Ivga_Lis
      Livanov is directly Feldmebel, only in science and education.
      To the foundation, and then ... No, good intentions, but in fact - half will be reduced, one third will be retired, left with a mosquito x * r. And not experts, but opportunists.
      There were only a few teachers with really fundamental knowledge at universities, and all of it was of either retirement or pre-retirement age. The level of "young" teachers (i.e., 25-40 years old) is noticeably lower and they are much smaller

      And why do we need teachers with fundamental knowledge, after all, a graduate of a school with a 100-point USE will not master anything anyway, and the current young teachers are certainly "victims" of the USE.
      1. Ivga_lis
        Ivga_lis 28 June 2013 13: 38 New
        0
        Yes - for the current graduates, they specially introduced a new subject in the first courses - the Russian language and culture of speech laughing

        Today's young teachers are more likely victims of their own laziness (although the lack of demand for science in the last 20 years, too) - their circle of scientific interests, most often, is limited to some narrow area in which they work. And they do not move anywhere further in their self-education. It turns out purely applied specialists, not scientists
    2. leon-iv
      leon-iv 28 June 2013 12: 38 New
      +2
      Just the same, Livanov really wants to close all the pseudo-universities and branches. For everyone is tired of this conveyor belt of diplomas.
      There were only a few teachers with really fundamental knowledge at universities, and all of it was of either retirement or pre-retirement age. The level of "young" teachers (i.e., 25-40 years old) is noticeably lower and they are much smaller

      Here you need to look at universities and various departments.
      For example, in my native university a lot of young people. In particular, at the department of physics. But there is a good Zavkaf and they work a lot. Just some of the Russian Academy of Sciences really want a lot of dough doing little at the same time.
      1. baltika-18
        baltika-18 28 June 2013 14: 39 New
        +1
        Quote: leon-iv
        For example, in my native university a lot of young people. In particular, at the Department of Physics

        And you have not yet opened the department of theology, as at MEPhI?
        This is now the most fashionable and modern direction in science. wassat
        50 universities are already open.
        1. nycsson
          nycsson 28 June 2013 14: 57 New
          +1
          Quote: baltika-18
          This is now the most fashionable and modern direction in science. Universities are already open at 50.

          Yeah! I'm just trudging ....... wassat
        2. leon-iv
          leon-iv 28 June 2013 16: 12 New
          0
          Well, given the rector of the Jew))))))
          This is now the most fashionable and modern direction in science.

          And I would be in class to troll teachers. He loves to talk with such funny people.
  • Ivga_lis
    Ivga_lis 28 June 2013 09: 28 New
    +1
    Quote: Thirsty for the wind
    I’m a strange person, a master lomaster.

    DAM is a worthy successor of Gorbachev’s affairs. No wonder he awarded him the Order
    1. nycsson
      nycsson 28 June 2013 09: 58 New
      +3
      Quote: Ivga_Lis
      No wonder he awarded him the Order

      Yeah! In our country, a lot of incomprehensible is going on! They give orders to one, erect monuments to others, and libraries are called in their “honor”! wassat wassat wassat
      1. Ivga_lis
        Ivga_lis 28 June 2013 17: 27 New
        +2
        Not only do libraries - institutes named after "especially outstanding" (Gaidar, yeah, that figure) figures open, readings of their name are carried out ... wassat
        I’m afraid to think of what they are taught in such an institute - probably, how to destroy a country more efficiently
  • lotar
    lotar 28 June 2013 09: 31 New
    +2
    As far as I remember, Serdyukov was a protege of Medvedev, and we all see what all of this led to. Judging by everything, the same story is being planned here. If all the RAS are united into one structure, his protege will be appointed, who in turn will do something similar to Serdyukov .And it seems to me more and more that they are not distracting us from all these imaginary revelations (Serdyukov, Chubais and others) from anything else, no less terrible in the consequences for our country.
    1. nycsson
      nycsson 28 June 2013 09: 54 New
      +2
      Quote: lotar
      As far as I remember, Serdyukov was a protege of Medvedev, and we all see where all this led.

      You have a bad memory, however! Serdyukov is a protege of GDP, who himself spoke about this ..........
    2. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 28 June 2013 10: 19 New
      +3
      Quote: lotar
      As far as I remember, Serdyukov was a protege of Medvedev

      Remember again.
  • slaventi
    slaventi 28 June 2013 09: 36 New
    0
    Livanov is an American agent working for the State Department. The goal of reforming the Russian Academy of Sciences, the destruction of basic science, applied science is almost destroyed. You can recall that Livanov was one of the few ministers who opposed the law on the ban on the export of children to the United States initiated by the president. After Serdyukov, Livanov was the first to queues. But only when this queue is suitable? I would like to quickly.
    1. nycsson
      nycsson 28 June 2013 09: 50 New
      +3
      Quote: slaventi
      After Serdyukov, Livanov was the first in line.

      Oh well! Something this line is not moving at all! At this pace, nothing will remain of science ......
    2. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 28 June 2013 10: 31 New
      +3
      Quote: slaventi
      Livanov is an American agent working for the State Department.
      But Vova doesn’t know! I hope you already reported to the FSB and the prosecutor’s office?

      Livanov was one of the few ministers who, opposed the law on the ban on the export of children to the United States initiated by the president.
      Oh, how interesting! Does anyone remember that on July 28.07.2012, 13.07.2011 Putin personally ratified the agreement on the sale of Russian children, concluded in Washington on July XNUMX, XNUMX?

      We probably have a tradition like this - to blame anyone, but not the main person involved.
      1. slaventi
        slaventi 28 June 2013 12: 42 New
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        I used to think so too, but in the light of past events I changed my mind. The whole bench, of those who have been trained in the USA, have been interviewed, have property abroad. Do not forget that we have an occupational constitution written in 93 where dialogue is prohibited, and international treaties take precedence over our laws. And the president is the guarantor of this constitution. It is necessary to break the whole system. For this, mass support of the people is needed. There is all the information that must happen within this presidential term.
        1. prophet190
          prophet190 28 June 2013 13: 32 New
          0
          Can I link?
        2. nycsson
          nycsson 28 June 2013 15: 03 New
          +2
          Quote: slaventi
          And the president is the guarantor of this constitution.

          Change the Constitution, who is in the way? Take it out for a referendum!
          Quote: slaventi
          Need to break the whole system

          Need to. So why not break it?
          Quote: slaventi
          For this, mass support of the people is needed.

          Let them suggest that we will break, and we will support. So far, they have only proposed the courts to unite: the highest arbitration and the supreme.
          Quote: slaventi
          There is information everything should happen during this presidential term.

          What should happen?
          1. slaventi
            slaventi 28 June 2013 16: 25 New
            -2
            The whole system of power was formed by the Americans back in the 90 years. There must be a liberation from the invaders and those who serve them.
        3. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 28 June 2013 17: 07 New
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          Quote: slaventi
          I used to think so too, but in the light of the past events I changed my mind. The whole bench is one of those who have been trained in the USA, passed an interview, has property abroad.
          Famously you Chubais pimple - Eugene Fedorov - dirtied his head. And Uncle Vova you apparently personally tested for loyalty to the Fatherland - or not? After all, he also found himself in a foreign country - but how was it recruited?

          Do not forget that we have an occupational constitution written in 93 where dialogue is prohibited, and international treaties take precedence over our laws. And the president is the guarantor of this constitution.
          But before repeating this nonsense to Uncle Fedorov, one had to at least be puzzled by reading this very Constitution, see the comments on it, if it is not clear, but you are stupidly lazy.

          4 the first articles of this "occupation" Constitution - there is a pure ideology that explains to you that in Russia the highest imperatives are democracy, a person with his rights and freedoms, and the sovereignty of the country.

          The 4 part of the 15 article refers exclusively to international relations and treaties - be puzzled at last by reading the article, and if you yourself do not get it, then comment on it.

          The President, being the guarantor of this "occupation" Constitution, not only does not guarantee it and openly violates part of Article 7, but also changes it to his advantage, telling reporters that the Constitution is not a problem for him.

          There is information everything should happen during this presidential term.
          Yeah - Uncle Fedorov secret secret merges. laughing

          Need to break the whole system.For this, mass support of the people is needed.
          Do you understand that with this Fedorov phrase you publicly stated that the elections were rigged?
          1. nycsson
            nycsson 28 June 2013 19: 15 New
            +1
            Quote: Yarosvet
            that in the Russian Federation the highest imperatives are democracy

            Those. people. It is he who possesses all the fullness of power. And he implements it through elections and referenda. The president, the governor, the head of the municipality, deputies of all levels - these are just management hired by the people. The president receives a salary from the federal budget, the governor from the regional, city measures from the municipal. And who forms the budgets - the people who pay taxes. Individuals and legal entities.
            1. Yarosvet
              Yarosvet 28 June 2013 19: 29 New
              +1
              Quote: nycsson
              Those. people.
              People. And while it’s not possible to get away from this - that’s why the authorities have to use distractions like perverts and hooliganism in public places, as well as scarecrows, tricks, like the orange threat. laughing
    3. DEfindER
      DEfindER 28 June 2013 13: 51 New
      +1
      Quote: slaventi
      The goal of reforming the Russian Academy of Sciences, the destruction of fundamental science, applied science is almost destroyed. You can recall that Livanov was one of the few ministers who opposed the law on the ban on the export of children to the United States initiated by the president

      It’s clear that they will beat on the foundation of Russia - Science, Education, the military-industrial complex .. Which succeeds, and each subsequent decision by the bear already provokes the anger of the people, and no one does anything, as if they’re mocking you, privatization 2.0, then amnesty for you. criminals (i.e. thieves), army reform, science reform, what do they want people to be completely brutalized ??? If our Army and Science were ineffectively organized, how would we then reach such heights in Soviet times?
  • Airman
    Airman 28 June 2013 09: 50 New
    +6
    Have you ever been jarred at a meeting with a chatterbox who appeared to be a "doctor of art history"? I wonder why Pugacheva or Kobzon are not academicians of the Academy of Fine Arts. Under Livanov, 1200 doctoral dissertations were defended. How many of them are plagiarized, the investigation is being investigated. It is necessary to restore order in science, but not to Livanov, who himself must be driven by a filthy broom. From 50% of the defended doctoral and candidate dissertations the benefit is 0, but then they get an increase in salary, and what is this? not stealing a budget?
  • IRKUT
    IRKUT 28 June 2013 09: 55 New
    +2
    It is unfortunate that the capital punishment has been abolished. And after all, what our government is doing can be called only one word-WRITTLE. Not one reform has brought any positive results. Because, (this is purely my personal opinion) there is no fear of punishment. All of them getting away with hands.
    They’re not planting anyone. They are only being transferred to other posts. It is worth the GDP to think with whom he is going to build the future of Russia.
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 28 June 2013 10: 33 New
      +2
      Quote: IRKUT
      It is worth the GDP to think with whom it is going to build the future of Russia. (

      He made his choice a long time ago.
      1. nycsson
        nycsson 28 June 2013 11: 12 New
        +2
        Quote: Yarosvet
        He made his choice a long time ago.

        That's for sure....... crying And he is not in our favor .......
  • Sashkessss
    Sashkessss 28 June 2013 09: 55 New
    +9
    Everything is just like that
    1. nycsson
      nycsson 28 June 2013 11: 06 New
      +1
      Quote: Sashkessss
      Everything is just like that
  • ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 28 June 2013 10: 23 New
    +3
    From each new idea, Dima, each of which is delusional, everything boils inside me, even though you close your eyes and ears, so as not to spoil your nerves!
  • the polar
    the polar 28 June 2013 10: 26 New
    +2
    In power, half traitors, half collaborators.
  • Yarosvet
    Yarosvet 28 June 2013 10: 36 New
    +4
    There is a lot of zdezdezh about the development of science, but in reality ...
  • pensioner
    pensioner 28 June 2013 10: 37 New
    +1
    At the last meeting of the Government, which was opened by Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev, the talk was about the changes that await Russian science in the near future.
    Something I look at all the "reforms" lies the shadow of Medvedev ... Is he completely lost fear? You have to answer! He will survive to this point in any way. Young.
    And for science - SCARY !!!!
    1. Beibit
      Beibit 28 June 2013 10: 54 New
      +5
      as a witness pass ... In ... as Serdyukov. The people know the enemies of the people, but the GDP does not know ... Do not tell my brains ... He knows perfectly well about everything and everyone, Therefore, either his hands are short or he is the ENEMY of the STATE ...
  • pensioner
    pensioner 28 June 2013 10: 48 New
    +4
    Quote: Konsmo
    Some bonuses were received for this. Only Pasha was out of work.

    The situation, unfortunately, is typical in science. I would even say household. And no reform will make a person decent if he himself does not want it. All the troubles of our science are not in the wrong organization, but in the predominance of self-interest over common sense! All diseases of moral societies in the scientific community are exacerbated.
  • fenix57
    fenix57 28 June 2013 11: 18 New
    +2
    Quote: ia-ai00
    It turns out that in Russia, MMmmmmE-E-E-E-E-YedEzhery will now be engaged in SCIENCE

    A few lines from the Fraud Case article: "Before the USE scandals became a seasonal disaster, the Minister of Education Dmitry Livanov threatens the scientific and pedagogical community with new punishments ...
    ... Without tiredness, Livanov is frightened by the university community with a demographic problem, which, in his opinion, leads to "a serious change in the requirements for the work of universities by the economy and the state, which many universities will not stand." Reasonable arguments that the norm of the number of students per teacher at our university are several times higher than those available in the West, the team of the "reformer" stubbornly "does not hear."
    The second horror story is the digital revolution, which “will make competition global” when students “have access to the educational resources of the world's best universities.” At the same time, it is clear to any specialist that it is impossible to get a quality education only remotely, being outside a serious scientific school. The strength of domestic higher education is precisely in such miraculously surviving schools. "

    see http: //file-rf.ru/context/2663
    ".. Minister Summary: “Within a fairly short period of time - say, 10 years - our education system will change dramatically, we will witness the active mergers and acquisitions of universities, much more active than what is happening today ... We will witness a massive closure, reorganization of pseudo-universities”
    Russian society was able to once again see how we were all “lucky” with the new Minister of Education. am
  • deman73
    deman73 28 June 2013 11: 39 New
    +2
    Yes, the liberals, led by Dimon, got to science, everyone will collapse and plunder to the end
  • Kushadasov
    Kushadasov 28 June 2013 12: 13 New
    +2
    Medvedev said that the current management system of various academies of sciences of state subordination (and there are also non-state ones) does not meet the new requirements.


    did not specify only Nanotolevich, WHOSE of these new requirements. Native Fatherland or star-striked and other enemies of Russia.
  • iwind
    iwind 28 June 2013 12: 32 New
    +2
    Doing something is necessary with science and education. The problem was not born today.
    So to speak, a story from the life of my seven
    In 2005, a graduate student of the Faculty of Physics of Moscow State University, the best that was found in Russia was the salary of a junior research assistant and the words that no one needs your idea ... That's just what is strange a few weeks later people from a foreign company come in and offer PO 10 times more, 3 bedroom apartment and payment for education for children.
    And now I don’t see any changes to the better side.
    I believe that this is what needs to be reformed - there must be HUGE support for young specialists on this, you can’t save, then it will return historically.
  • PValery53
    PValery53 28 June 2013 12: 58 New
    +2
    Well, as expected, "reform" and "formatting" began. Now hold on, Science! Managers and majors will do. Elephants in the china shop.
  • Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 28 June 2013 13: 09 New
    +6
    IPhone and others like him - to the wall! With the complete confiscation of patrimonial property. And all my relatives - in special settlements. Forest fell.
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 28 June 2013 13: 26 New
      +1
      Quote: stock buildbat
      IPhone and others like him - to the wall!

      Well ... And also the machine asks ... I told you - you can’t ... Hi Ivan! We are meeting at 11-00!
      1. Reserve buildbat
        Reserve buildbat 28 June 2013 14: 24 New
        +3
        Hi Yuri! I, if anything, and with the help of the MSL to tinker with them. Gave free rein. smile In 11-00, as agreed.
        But Maxim has not decided yet.
  • Constantine
    Constantine 28 June 2013 13: 49 New
    +2
    The pranksters however. Livanov has a clear anti-state policy, whether it is time to put it in place or to remove it altogether. Academy of Medical Sciences, for example. How can one be put in charge of such an important direction of someone who is far from medicine? And the rest? Architecture, for example, is not important? Will we live in reinforced concrete boxes until the end of time? What x% # at all ...

    DAM is also handsome. At first she complains about the sabotage of privatization, which I cannot but rejoice at, but now I am attached to the RAS. The idea that they should not be distracted by doing science is a good one, but otherwise, it’s time for him to leave already to teach at Skolkovo.
  • Thirsty for wind
    Thirsty for wind 28 June 2013 14: 12 New
    +1
    Quote: stroporez
    exactly what
    Quote: Thirsty for the wind
    individual
    when Vova appointed him as his successor, didn’t know about it ???????

    Yes, I would have asked a similar question with pleasure if the interviewer were adequate and
    the answer was, according to my assumptions, the closest to reality.
    All kinds of versions I myself stick master. I just think that they will, to varying degrees, be far from reality.
  • Tektor
    Tektor 28 June 2013 15: 03 New
    +2
    It seems to me that in connection with the complete hopelessness in the near future, they decided to attach to science, so to speak, a “curator”, such as Beria, with broad powers. Now, academics will not be given the chance to “fool around and balabit" academics: called himself an academician - prove it. Beautiful paper reports should have a practical exhaust ... This can lead to significant “row cleaning” if the grips become “dangerous”. Then it turns out "who is hu." A balabol scientist will cease to be profitable, but it will become scary.
    Now there is no responsibility, except moral, for a scientific degree: everyone is buying and sundry. It is possible that they will introduce responsibility “in rubles” for the mismatch between the regalia of reality.
  • kind
    kind 28 June 2013 15: 26 New
    +1
    Send all these reformers to the circumpolar tundra, let them reform their brains there! fool
    1. RADJANPHILOSOF
      RADJANPHILOSOF 28 June 2013 21: 40 New
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      absolutely agree!
  • Enot-poloskun
    Enot-poloskun 28 June 2013 17: 16 New
    +1
    By analogy with the famous movie:

    Or Livanov leads Russian Science to the registry office,

    Or - Russian Science leads Livanov to the prosecutor)))

    I feel something will be.

    So far, a lot of obscurity. My prediction:
    If the Duma adopts the law on the Academy of Sciences in an accelerated mode, then -
    Russian science will be finished off.

    Why finish off? Because, despite crises and underfunding, science is now concentrated mainly in institutions (research institutes). In universities, teachers are overloaded with the learning process, for hours (you need to earn bread!).

    By the way, science at a research institute is the Soviet system for the development of science, in defiance of the Western system (science at universities). This is neither good nor bad - these are two different paths to the development of science, which have shown their success and their right to exist.

    And now we have ... They want to ruin the old without building a new one ...


    And all sorts of property management agencies and utilities in the Academy of Sciences - another theft.
    1. Ivga_lis
      Ivga_lis 28 June 2013 17: 49 New
      +4
      Quote: Enot-poloskun
      In universities, teachers are overloaded with the learning process, for hours (you need to earn bread!).

      In universities, teachers most often rush between lectures and obtaining contracts with companies, because you can only live on the salary that, say, a candidate, if you eat buckwheat on the water :) Moreover, the equipment in the laboratory, which costs good money, is purchased , mainly, through the efforts of the same head of department. or “presented” to companies with which departments cooperate under contracts
      Quote: Enot-poloskun
      Because, despite crises and underfunding, science is now concentrated mainly in institutions (research institutes).

      Unfortunately, after the collapse of the Union and until recently, research institutes also survived due to contractual work with companies, and it is good if the director or the head of the laboratory is active and able to beat out these contracts.
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  • Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 28 June 2013 18: 06 New
    +4
    Dear colleagues, do not you think that Mr. Livanov acts according to the algorithm of our "respected" stool Serdyukov? The principles and methods of “reforming” the army and science are already very similar. The main principle is to cut "I can’t do it," with a saber, cut your head. No logic, no thoughtfulness. It turns out that Chubais have not yet been transferred to our Fatherland. There is still someone to destroy what has been acquired in the USSR. Well, we have a strong country!
  • fedor
    fedor 28 June 2013 18: 23 New
    0
    In this matter, I agree with Medvedev that the Academy should be one and the choice of its members only by secret ballot, the number of academics should be limited to several dozen and under no circumstances should exceed this number. Academics should become scientists who have made only a real contribution to science, the economy, the development of the state ...
    Look now, hundreds of academicians have divorced, and the result of their activities is not visible. It is also necessary to sort out the "scientists" with degrees of candidates and doctors, it came to a ridiculous thing, the accountant of the house committee is a doctor of biological sciences, read a third of the deputies of the doctor, the candidates of science about whom they really cannot say ...
    1. family
      family tree 28 June 2013 21: 23 New
      +2
      Quote: fedor
      Look now, hundreds of academicians have divorced, and the result of their activities is not visible. It is also necessary to sort out the "scientists" with degrees of candidates and doctors, it came to a ridiculous thing, the accountant of the house committee is a doctor of biological sciences, read a third of the deputies of the doctor, the candidates of science about whom they really cannot say ...

      Damn, they’re not going anywhere, these academics will only multiply. RAS - state institution. And these, clients of public organizations.
      All-Russian Public Organization “Russian Academy of Natural Sciences”, Russian Academy of Natural Sciences. Sometimes they decode, like the Russian Academy of Heretical Sciences. Among academicians Ramzan Kadyrov and trainer Kuklachev.
      International Academy of Informatization - nee Mosgorspravka; the site is made with zakos under a serious international organization at the UN;
      Academy of Information and Applied Ufology at the International Academy of Informatization fool
      Academy of Fundamental Sciences "Organics" what
      WORLD ACADEMY OF SCIENCES OF INTEGRATED SECURITY - under the guise of combating terrorism, they greatly contribute to cutting budget money
      The Russian Academy of Natural Sciences - publishes a bunch of magazines and constantly holds some conferences. To publish an article, it is enough to pay a fee / pay editorial expenses. Want to become an academician of RAE? The price issue is a piece of bucks.
      These academies, “scientific reforms,” will not touch on any side.
  • Yuri Y.
    Yuri Y. 28 June 2013 21: 00 New
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    I did not understand how science will be done. But it is not done in the void. Who will
    allocate laboratories, equipment, etc. Who will choose the ideas then already.
  • Enot-poloskun
    Enot-poloskun 28 June 2013 21: 07 New
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    Quote: Ivga_Lis
    Unfortunately, after the collapse of the Union and until recently, research institutes also survived due to contractual work with companies, and it is good if the director or the head of the laboratory is active and able to beat out these contracts.


    I partially agree. Let me explain my position: an employee in a research institute, by definition, is engaged in science, an employee of a university - in education and science. Those. ceteris paribus (the presence of part-time jobs, grants, etc. -I want to eat everything!), the employee of the research institute just has more time.

    On the reform. There is such a state academy - RAO. According to the government’s project, the Academy of Education, the Academy of Architecture and Construction, the Academy of Arts - should be left to the departments.

    But! RAO has a department - the Ministry of Education and Science! Which now unites the RAS, RAMS and RAAS. It is strange that it leaves RW behind its attention. I know that there are many opponents of the current policy of the Ministry of Education.

    Yes, a little about myself. I have been in science for almost 20 years. I saw a lot of interesting things! ))) Strongly against reform without serious elaboration and discussion.

    Was today at one research institute. There work got up - everyone is discussing the reform of science and wondering what awaits them. Most employees do not expect anything good.
  • RADJANPHILOSOF
    RADJANPHILOSOF 28 June 2013 21: 38 New
    0
    When will they finally remove this chief reformer Medvedev? There is no Stalin on them - so many Bam would have built ... so many crooks, a lot of working hands ...
  • Aboriginal53
    Aboriginal53 28 June 2013 21: 53 New
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    Once again you are convinced that not every lawyer is a good manager, and a good manager is more likely not a lawyer, but a production worker. All the reforms started by United Russia officials, such as the army, police, education, down to the mille, and the result is one: harm to society and the state. We look forward to new scandals from the administration of science by officials steeper than the Defense Ministers.
  • Albert1988
    Albert1988 28 June 2013 22: 35 New
    +2
    Hello dear forum users, I write my first comment on the site - I have been a reader for a long time, but when it came to discussing this burning issue I simply could not stand aside, as a graduate student at Moscow State University, I float on the surface of this seething scientific cauldron. If I repeat something, do not rush to judge - I have not mastered all the comments, unfortunately ((. So - the reform of the Academy of Sciences is REALLY NECESSARY !!! Livanov called it ineffective - he put it mildly. I will give a very concrete example: a certain respected Academician A. rented space from a certain faculty of Moscow State University for the organization of scientific work, which he leased out to his son, who he placed on these squares ... offices of companies completely irrelevant to science that were involved in printing fake 90s excise taxes on alcohol, and at the moment they are working in the sale of casings for sausages ... That's such a “big science.” Is it worth adding that the faculty from which I rented the area did not see the rent since the start of the lease itself? A. there was no opportunity either - the academy was a mountain for him (and not only the academy, unfortunately). Only now the issue with this began to be resolved and the firms gradually expelled from the premises that are so necessary laboratories located in the building ... And this is only one specific case, the academy itself is full of academics involved in cutting budgets, and they studied science the last time 30 years ago. These are such double pies with kittens, so Livanov is right and the vast majority of young specialists support him in this matter, and not only young ones.
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 28 June 2013 23: 28 New
      +3
      Quote: Albert1988
      a certain respected academician A. rented an area from a certain faculty of Moscow State University to organize scientific work. He subleased these squares to his son, who placed them on these squares ... offices of companies completely irrelevant to science ...
      And this is only one specific case, the academy itself is full of academics involved in cutting budgets, and they studied science the last time about 30 years ago.

      Such issues are not resolved by reforming the Academy of Sciences, but by reforming the UK and the prosecutor's office.
      1. family
        family tree 28 June 2013 23: 47 New
        +2
        Quote: Yarosvet
        Such issues are not resolved by reforming the Academy of Sciences, but by reforming the UK and the prosecutor's office.

        Here. But Medvedev’s reform is more likely to simply legitimize and develop this business. In May 2010, it was reported that Medvedev signed a law aimed at reforming budgetary institutions in Russia. The document gives budgetary institutions the right to engage in income-generating activities that they can dispose of themselves. Hospitals and schools are now legally generating income-generating activities despite health insurance and free secondary education. Where this income comes from is unnecessary to tell.
        1. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 29 June 2013 00: 35 New
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          Quite right, and what this leads to - as they say, and the hedgehog is clear.

          The only nuance is that Medvedev is a protege, and at the moment he is also a subordinate of Putin.
          1. Albert1988
            Albert1988 29 June 2013 11: 15 New
            +1
            Medvedev is clearly a protege, only something has been going wrong for them lately - they are pushing more and more poor Dima. And Minister Livanov is creating more and more impressions of kuklf for beating - they say we’ll put him on his behalf, he will carry out a number of unpopular or controversial reforms in his field - he will give him +, but no - then he will fly away and not us.
        2. Albert1988
          Albert1988 29 June 2013 11: 12 New
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          And after this law, the Academy launched such an “income-generating” activity that Mom Don't Cry! So they want to deprive them of the right to dispose of material resources and appoint directors of research institutes. Moreover, there is an initiative - from the scientific community itself - to introduce a system of international examination of grants in the amount of more than 1 million rubles to prevent the cut by the same academics, and so on.
      2. Albert1988
        Albert1988 29 June 2013 11: 08 New
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        Here you are not quite right - the prosecutor’s office is certainly good, and she, by the way, dealt with this case, but alas, law enforcement officers could only stand under the doors of tightly closed offices, while the faculty could calmly expel this “academician” and his son, BUT - the whole academy stood up for him, and academics at Moscow State University occupy many important posts, and the new reform, in principle, will deprive the academy of the right to manage the space and distribute money so that now there will be demand only from directors of research institutes and rectors, which is +, at least in In this form, this reform was presented to scientists.
        1. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 29 June 2013 13: 09 New
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          The problem is that the state takes all functions off of itself, leaving only the function of a regulator for itself - even the uncleaning of budgets seems to be secondary in this matter.

          The bottom line is that there is no system, development plan. The general level of science and education is declining, and the availability of education is declining.

          Everything goes to the banal service of the pipe, with episodic successes in the field of high technology, and the layer from agriculture to medicine is not covered, the country is acquiring a narrow specialization in the global world. All reforms are sharpened on this - this is the problem.
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  • slaventi
    slaventi 29 June 2013 02: 24 New
    0
    Quote: Yarosvet
    Quote: slaventi
    I used to think so too, but in the light of the past events I changed my mind. The whole bench is one of those who have been trained in the USA, passed an interview, has property abroad.
    Famously you Chubais pimple - Eugene Fedorov - dirtied his head. And Uncle Vova you apparently personally tested for loyalty to the Fatherland - or not? After all, he also found himself in a foreign country - but how was it recruited?

    Do not forget that we have an occupational constitution written in 93 where dialogue is prohibited, and international treaties take precedence over our laws. And the president is the guarantor of this constitution.
    But before repeating this nonsense to Uncle Fedorov, one had to at least be puzzled by reading this very Constitution, see the comments on it, if it is not clear, but you are stupidly lazy.

    4 the first articles of this "occupation" Constitution - there is a pure ideology that explains to you that in Russia the highest imperatives are democracy, a person with his rights and freedoms, and the sovereignty of the country.

    The 4 part of the 15 article refers exclusively to international relations and treaties - be puzzled at last by reading the article, and if you yourself do not get it, then comment on it.

    The President, being the guarantor of this "occupation" Constitution, not only does not guarantee it and openly violates part of Article 7, but also changes it to his advantage, telling reporters that the Constitution is not a problem for him.

    There is information everything should happen during this presidential term.
    Yeah - Uncle Fedorov secret secret merges. laughing

    Need to break the whole system.For this, mass support of the people is needed.
    Do you understand that with this Fedorov phrase you publicly stated that the elections were rigged?


    What we knew in the occupation from the beginning of 90, Without any Fedorov. Uncle Vova was previously considered a protege of the United States. But about the ideology.

    Constitution of the Russian Federation, Article 13

    Article 13
    1. The Russian Federation recognizes ideological diversity.
    2. No ideology can be established as a state or mandatory.

    But destroying the country as a whole and personally of each ideology, it is imposed with the help of media controlled by the United States. At the expense of the timing. Let's see. Regarding the elections. The elections in the colony are a show and have no meaning in the sense of the people's power. I do not trust the GDP, there is just hope, and then we'll see. That's why. 1 Removing the traitor Serdyukov. 2 Anti-corruption. 3 support for the military-industrial complex. 4 Support SYRI.5 The adoption of laws on foreign agents, on the ban on the export of children to the United States, on the ban on officials to have accounts abroad. All these actions are unprecedented, nothing like this had happened before. Let's see what happens next. I would like to continue. I think that the continuation follows.
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 29 June 2013 02: 53 New
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      The fact that we in the occupation knew from the beginning of 90, Without Fedorov.
      The occupation has a number of signs that were not observed in Russia in the 90, and are not observed now, therefore, the use of the term "occupation" is at least incorrect.

      But about the ideology
      Give an example (even an approximate one) of the ideology that, in your opinion, should be - what will it look like?

      But destroying the country as a whole and personally of each ideology, it is imposed with the help of media controlled by the United States.
      In my opinion, cultural and behavioral stereotypes are being imposed, and media accountability is generally a big issue.

      The elections in the colony are a show and have no meaning in the sense of the power of the people. I do not trust the GDP, there was simply hope
      Elections in the absence of public control are shows anyway and around the world.
      But your hope, in my opinion, is completely unfounded.


      1 The removal of the traitor Serdyukov
      Now there is acting out back + stool Vova man.

      2 Anti-corruption
      In words.

      3 defense industry support
      Ambiguous.

      4 SYRIA support
      Rather, bargain, not support.

      5 The adoption of laws on foreign agents, on the ban on the export of children to the United States, on the ban on officials to have accounts abroad. All these actions are unprecedented.
      These laws are inferior, have a lot of gaps, and mattresses should thank for them.
      And the adoption of the law "Dima Yakovlev" as a response to the Magnitsky Act is generally the height of cynicism and an abomination, one must beat for such faces.

      Let's see what will happen next
      You need to look at the standard of living within the country.
      1. Russ69
        Russ69 29 June 2013 03: 22 New
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        In my opinion, cultural and behavioral stereotypes are being imposed, and media accountability is generally a big issue.

        Any media belongs to someone and as a rule they conduct their editorial policy in the same vein as the owner sets. And it does not matter who he is, a private person or a state.
        Now there is acting out back + stool Vova man.

        And what is this? Kasyanov, was also a man of GDP, but friendship is somehow not observed.

        In words.

        Given the fact that it was earlier 2 years ago and now, what kind of progress there is. At least every week an official is taken for the gills. But of course I would like more rigidity in the legislation.

        Ambiguous.

        The process is going on, but I want everything at once, and it does not happen after so many years of oblivion.

        Rather, bargain, not support.

        The biggest profit will be just if left out. Moreover, both politically and economically.

        These laws are inferior, have a lot of gaps, and mattresses should thank for them.

        We need to tighten even more, we liberalize a lot.

        And the adoption of the law "Dima Yakovlev" as a response to the Magnitsky Act is generally the height of cynicism and an abomination, one must beat for such faces.

        The right law.

        You need to look at the standard of living within the country.
        If we compare the beginning of the presidency of GDP now, the difference is palpable. And do not poke Europe, it is to its well-being, it has not been going for 10 years.
        And again, give us everything at once.
        1. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 29 June 2013 04: 42 New
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          Quote: Russ69
          Any media belongs to someone and as a rule they conduct their editorial policy in the same vein as the owner sets. And it does not matter who he is, a private person or a state.
          Echo matzah belongs to Gazprom, TNT - the state channel.

          Editorial policies, instilling cultural and behavioral stereotypes, and imposing ideology are two different things.

          And what is this? Kasyanov, was also a man of GDP, but friendship is somehow not observed.
          Where does the similar conclusion come from according to Kasyanov?

          As for Taburetkin: firstly, Putin couldn’t know about his actions, secondly, the military reform, which everyone spit on, is Putin’s reform (Taburetkin is only a performer), and thirdly, it’s obviously dragging out the case, and under the amnesty, if you wish, it is possible to summarize the main defendants.

          Given the fact that it was earlier 2 years ago and now, what kind of progress there is. At least every week an official is taken for the gills. But of course I would like more rigidity in the legislation.
          By the 10th year, the corruption market reached the size of the country's budget, at the moment it is unlikely to become smaller.

          Without system solutions, the system problem cannot be solved, and at the moment there are no such solutions.

          The process is going on, but I want everything at once, and it does not happen after so many years of oblivion.
          There is a process of entering capital (including foreign). System issues are not resolved.

          The biggest profit will be just if left out. Moreover, both politically and economically.
          S-300 delivered, not delivered, or not delivered?

          We need to tighten even more, we liberalize a lot.
          Who prevents to tighten and close gaps?

          The right law.
          It’s necessary, but this law is not adopted on its own, but only in response to the likelihood of losing money and the possibility of entering the states, and even calling it the name of a child who died 4 years before ... there is not even a word.

          If we compare the beginning of the presidency of GDP now, the difference is palpable. And do not poke Europe, it is to its well-being, it has not been going for 10 years.
          And again, give us everything at once.
          The difference is minimal and Vova’s merit is not here - or will we attribute the increase in computer performance, for example?

          There is not a single factor in socio-economic terms, according to which Russia could not reach the same level with Europe in percentage terms within a year, and this situation has been observed for 15 years.

          Are you against everything at once? However, it is possible not immediately - for a start, it would be enough to have no violations of the Constitution and legislation by the guarantor, which he commits from the first term, thereby committing a crime.
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  • slaventi
    slaventi 29 June 2013 05: 19 New
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    Quote: slaventi
    The fact that we in the occupation knew from the beginning of 90, Without Fedorov.
    The occupation has a number of signs that were not observed in Russia in the 90, and are not observed now, therefore, the use of the term "occupation" is at least incorrect.

    But about the ideology
    Give an example (even an approximate one) of the ideology that, in your opinion, should be - what will it look like?

    Let's see what will happen next
    You need to look at the standard of living within the country.


    The occupation is not a mandatory presence of the enemy army. It is enough to replace the regime, take control. Signs: the lack of large national private business, the distribution of property mainly to people of a certain nationality, the absence of nationally oriented elites, the destruction of the economy, including high-tech industries, agriculture. conflicts., the transfer of weapons to the separatists in Chechnya by the Gaidar government, the arming of both sides in the Ossetian-Ingush conflict. Operation with the "Chechen and advice, "transfer of secret technologies to America and the West. Capital export, Destruction of medicine, science, education. Signing of international treaties that are obviously harmful ... creating conditions for the outflow of the indigenous population, replacing it with guest workers. Spitting, distorting the history. Destruction of moral and ethical standards, traditions, promotion of alcohol addiction. Reduction of the population in peacetime, which is unprecedented. The presence of a constitution, where international treaties take precedence over national laws, the prohibition of ideology. By the way, all these processes are controllable.
    An important element of the management of the occupation system is the media. They, as well as NGOs, are allocated funds from the US budget. If the media is withdrawn from external control, the system will begin to crumble.
    The occupation explains the low standard of living in the interior of the country. A colony cannot have a high standard of living. Everything is taken out of it.
    About the ideology.
    The state must have a national idea. This makes sense for the state and society.
    I think that the idea should be guided by the traditions of the culture and history of the peoples included in the state.
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 30 June 2013 14: 48 New
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      Occupation is not a mandatory presence of an enemy army
      Mandatory - the term implies the presence of enemy units in the occupied territory and a regime change precisely by military means, after which an administration loyal to the invader is created in the occupied territory, which is based primarily on bayonets.
      If the power personified by Putin pursues exclusively his own interests with the interests of the rest of the citizens that do not coincide, but in many respects coincide with the interests of the West, this does not mean at all that Russia is occupied.
      Moreover: if Russia were occupied, it would automatically mean that Putin is the direct appointee of the West, and the presence of nuclear weapons in Russia is nothing more than a myth.
      lack of large national private business
      Private business, all the more large, cannot be national by definition.
      distribution of property mainly to persons of a certain nationality
      With real control over this property and individuals to the "class" of security officials.
      lack of nationally oriented elites
      Not a sign of occupation.
      economic disruption ... creating hotbeds of tension ...
      The consequences of the dismantling of the USSR. The reasons for dismantling are the desire of certain groups to usurp popular property, legitimize usurpation, with further inheritance of property by descendants of usurpers.
      transfer of secret technologies ... export of capital ...
      The reasons are personal benefits, indifference to citizens and gratitude to the West for international recognition, for legitimization.
      ... international treaties take precedence over national laws
      This is NORM. How do you imagine the situation with the conclusion of an international treaty, followed by the failure to fulfill this treaty because of its contradiction to national laws? Why conclude such an agreement?
      The priority of international treaties is an international legal norm. If a situation arises with the conclusion of such an agreement, then a couple of questions should be asked to the guarantor, and not be outraged by the presence of an international norm in the Constitution.
      prohibition of ideology.
      You yourself understand - what are you talking about? Give an example of an ideology that, in your opinion, should be established in Russia as mandatory.
      Media ... NGOs ...
      Able to a certain degree to shape the worldview - no more.
      The occupation explains ...
      Nonsense. The low standard of living is the result of a comprehensive violation by the guarantor and the Government of the current Constitution.
      When something is exported, questions should be asked to whose function it is to issue bans and permits for export.
      This is the meaning of existence ...
      The meaning of the existence of the state in the comprehensive well-being and development of society as a whole and of every citizen in particular.
      The meaning of society is to optimize and facilitate the existence of each individual citizen.
      1. slaventi
        slaventi 2 July 2013 10: 03 New
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        Mandatory - the term implies the presence of enemy units in the occupied territory and a regime change precisely by military means, after which an administration loyal to the invader is created in the occupied territory, which is based primarily on bayonets.
        If the power personified by Putin pursues exclusively his own interests with the interests of the rest of the citizens that do not coincide, but in many respects coincide with the interests of the West, this does not mean at all that Russia is occupied.
        Moreover: if Russia were occupied, it would automatically mean that Putin is the direct appointee of the West, and the presence of nuclear weapons in Russia is nothing more than a myth.

        This refers to soft occupation, but it does not imply the mandatory presence of troops. The main thing is external control. To a greater or lesser degree, all the main institutions of power are accountable. It makes no difference whether the person is directly appointed by the West or indirect. The appointees can also rebel. In Czechoslovakia and Hungary there were also Soviet appointees, and for some reason the troops had to be sent there to suppress the uprising. Nuclear weapons are not a myth. That is why Russia still exists and there are no foreign troops. Controlling the political elite, we can impose agreements, such as SALT, that will nullify our nuclear shield. , and it will cease to exist with all the ensuing consequences. This is a matter of time.
        Private business, all the more large, cannot be national by definition.


        By definition, it cannot be national only in a colony. National business includes national jurisdiction. In the vast majority of countries it is.
        distribution of property mainly to persons of a certain nationalityWith real control over this property and persons to the "class" of security officials.


        To whom and what property the American advisers decided to transfer, you can probably classify them as a security official, but not ours.
        How property was distributed and by whom the former Vice Premier and Chairman of the State Property Committee Polevanov told.
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19rHu8sCz3I
        the absence of nationally oriented elites is not a sign of occupation.

        But it is the lack of a state. There wouldn’t be any nationally oriented elites, there would be no states as such .. Once in the colony everything is done so that they are not there.
        economic destruction ... Creation of centers of tension ... Consequences of the dismantling of the USSR. The reasons for dismantling are the desire of certain groups to usurp national property, legitimize usurpation, with further inheritance of property by descendants of usurpers.


        The dismantling of the USSR was a special operation where Gorbachev and the team played a key role. And the desire of certain groups to usurp property was used. These include liberal intelligentsia, etc.
        1. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 2 July 2013 23: 14 New
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          This refers to soft occupation, but it does not imply the mandatory presence of troops.
          One can endlessly talk about soft, hard, shock-absorbing, semi-solid, or even some kind of occupation - but there is no point in this.
          There is a generally accepted terminology that is reasonable to use, if only because it is generally accepted.
          From the point of view of generally accepted terminology, occupation always implies the presence of troops in the occupied territory, and it becomes soft when the main emphasis is not on punitive methods, but on preferences regarding persons who are authoritative for the population and for the population itself (issues to be agreed) with the headman, resume the activity of the church in the occupied territory, etc.).

          The main thing is external control. To a greater or lesser degree, all the main institutions of power are accountable. It makes no difference whether the person is directly appointed by the West or indirect. The appointees can also rebel. In Czechoslovakia and Hungary there were also Soviet appointees, and for some reason the troops had to be sent there to suppress the uprising.
          But there is no external control. There are old and new mutually beneficial contracts to one degree or another, depending on the situation - warming and cooling of relations (both simulated and real), there are attempts to chop off a piece from each other (typical for relations between criminal groups), opportunities are created for petty blackmail (Magnitsky Act, catching spies, etc.), but there are no mechanisms for real control of either side over the other.

          There is a significant difference in whether the Power is a protege from the outside, or just a traitor - it is necessary to understand this to correctly understand the situation, to correctly determine the real culprit of the existing situation. You look at the situation in fact, but you need to look from the first half of the 70s, if not earlier.

          The example of Hungary and Czechoslovakia is incorrect - it was a separatist movement with a Western bias like the Chechen one. In this case, it is impossible to draw any analogy with Russia's control.

          Nuclear weapons are not a myth. That is why Russia still exists and there are no foreign troops.
          So not occupation.

          Controlling the political elite, we can impose agreements, such as SALT, that will nullify our nuclear shield. , and it will cease to exist with all the ensuing consequences. It is a matter of time
          To do this, it is not necessary to control (it is necessary to control and only those who resist) can be. In our case, this is mutually beneficial cooperation of world "elites" to the detriment of Russia.

          By definition, it cannot be national only in a colony. National business includes national jurisdiction. In the vast majority of countries it is
          False: PRIVATE business cannot be either national or social - it has other tasks and goals. You can create the appropriate legislation and force the business to work under this legislation, but the business, again, will only comply, but will not become national or social.
          Only state business can be national — like the trade in hydrocarbons in the USSR.
        2. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 3 July 2013 00: 24 New
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          Who and what property to transfer - decided by American advisers.
          It is more likely that they acted in this case precisely as consultants, arbitrators, and a sedative in the squabble of the "clans" (the option that someone with a fool or grief would click on a known button was not excluded).
          Of course, the actions of the states were destructive for us and were carried out by them in our own interests, but knowing the authoritarianism of the EBN and the wolfish grip of the committee members, we can say that with the exception of the banal scribe ... (when the mattresses could underestimate what they were not supposed to), everything what was done was done with the knowledge of the EBNY and the Committee, on mutually beneficial conditions with the ministers.

          There would be no nationally oriented elites — there would be no states as such. Just in the colony everything is done so that they are not there.
          Not quite true: today's relations of international "elites" are relations of gangs that compete for spheres of influence, for the right to "cut suckers".
          The people can hardly call the gang operating on its territory nationally oriented. But the fact that this gang will fight against other gangs for control over the territory and the people, the people can be sure.

          The dismantling of the USSR was a special operation where Gorbachev and the team played a key role. And the desire of certain groups to usurp property was used. These include liberal intelligentsia, etc.
          This was certainly a special operation that was being prepared for more than a decade, but it is more likely that the key player was the Committee, which agreed with loyal figures from the CPSU, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the prosecutor's office and the army, and sabotaging its direct functions.
          Otherwise, neither Gorbachev nor Yeltsin (potential leaders clearly led) would have survived to the heights of their own careers.

          Most traitors were motivated by personal gain.
          There is no arguing.

          This is the norm for weak or dependent countries ... Which, as a result, will make it possible to cancel disadvantageous agreements, change the constitution, and also reunite the state.
          You are wrong - this is an international norm.
          We have no problems with a unilateral withdrawal from any treaty - the constraining factors in this case are the ethics of international relations and possible, but unlikely, economic sanctions (we do not have self-sufficiency in consumer goods and basic necessities, and nothing positive is done in this regard) . But purely in fact, we can send anyone and nothing will happen to us.
          Within the framework established by the relevant Federal Laws, the Constitution can be changed at least once a month (Vova has already shown how this is done).
          The reunification of the state, if desired by all parties, is also not a problem.

          Now specifically about part 4 of article 15:
          This is essentially a voluntary commitment to comply with international standards.
          The meaning is this: we conclude an agreement with someone, at the time of conclusion of this agreement with the legislation of the Russian Federation it does not differ. But after some time the legislation changes and comes into conflict with the aforementioned agreement.
          Here, in order not to be wiser with revisions of inconsistencies, this article exists.
          1. Yarosvet
            Yarosvet 3 July 2013 01: 43 New
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            An ideology should express the interests of society ...
            But the trouble - every religion, worldview, a meaningful set of cultural stereotypes - is an ideology.
            How to combine them? How to reconcile a Mohammedan with a Christian, a Christian with a Hare Krishna, a Hare Krishna with a Rodnover, and a Rodnover with an atheist?
            How to link the worldview of a statesman, monarchist, republican, liberal, communist, etc. into one, mandatory for all, ideological system?
            Ideology is a combination of ideas, attitudes, worldview, faith, value systems, goal setting and devil knows what else - who will choose and by what criteria?
            But what if the resulting explosive mixture did not suit you, and it is already binding?

            We do not need ideology (partly due to the slogan ideology that replaced scientific communism, the Union burned down).
            We need a healthy strategic rationalism, with clear, scientifically sound answers to the questions - what is good, what is bad and why.

            We can say for sure that modern, western, liberal should not be in Russia.
            I agree with a small amendment: the Western idea is not liberal, it is more appropriate to call it neoliberalism - it is essentially a veiled fascism.
            All kinds of distortions and excesses in this case are not part of the idea, but its tool.

            The worldview is the most important thing; everything else follows from this.
            The media and NGOs give various information competing with personally obtained information, from acquaintances, from official sources - in these conditions they are able to shape their worldview only to a certain, insignificant degree.
            However, if they point to real problems, and this happens often, trust in them grows.
            What to do - introduce censorship? In my opinion it is better to solve problems.

            If something is exported so it is based on contracts, an agreement, and pursued economic policy on the basis of existing laws, for which all branches of government are responsible.
            The guarantor enters into agreements of this kind, the guarantor determines the policy, the guarantor signs the laws, the guarantor also introduces the laws - everything is in the Constitution.
            Yes - there is also a Duma and SovFed, but they are essentially puppets - we have an almost selective constitutional monarchy.
            Stalin received comparable powers only with the outbreak of war, and the powers of the other general secretaries (perhaps with the exception of Khrushchev) are not up to the Vovins.

            Comprehensive well-being is a loose concept. The state is a set of political institutions whose main goal is to preserve the integrity of society. The meaning of the existence of the state is briefly contained in the national idea.
            On the meaning of the existence of society, here the worldview has a decisive role.,
            Healthy rationalism with three questions in relation to any area of ​​life.

            I think that in the near future numerous facts of the regime’s crimes will be revealed ...
            Yes, there’s nothing special to open up - everything is on the surface anyway. Another thing is that no one wants to see this.
            And again - in itself, nothing will be allowed. It is the people who will have to take full responsibility for their lives, of course, if the people want to survive.
      2. slaventi
        slaventi 2 July 2013 10: 05 New
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        transfer of secret technologies ... Export of capital ... The reasons are personal benefits, indifference to citizens and gratitude to the West for international recognition, for legitimization

        Most traitors were motivated by personal gain.
        international treaties take precedence over national laws. This is the NORM. How do you imagine the situation with the conclusion of an international treaty, followed by the failure to fulfill this treaty because of its contradiction to national laws? Why conclude such an agreement?


        This is the norm for weak or dependent countries. A time will come, an investigation and trial will be conducted on the fact of the violent destruction of the state. As a result, it will make it possible to cancel disadvantageous agreements, amend the constitution, and also reunite the state.
        Such contracts were concluded in order to get the maximum benefit for those who controlled the parties to these contracts and to cause maximum damage to the other party.
        prohibition of ideology. You yourself understand - what are you talking about? Give an example of an ideology that, in your opinion, should be established in Russia as mandatory.


        An ideology should express the interests of society, including the moral and ethical foundations, cultural and religious traditions of the peoples that make up Russia. All this was in tsarist Russia and even partially in socialist.

        We can say for sure that modern, western, liberal should not be in Russia. It in itself bears the destruction of both an individual person and the nation and the state as a whole. For Russia it is absolutely unacceptable and will lead to the collapse of the state.
        The media ... NGOs ... They are capable of forming a worldview to a certain extent - no more.

        The worldview is the most important thing; everything else follows from this.
        The occupation explains ... Bullshit. The low standard of living is the result of a comprehensive violation by the guarantor and the Government of the current Constitution.
        When something is exported, questions should be asked to whose function it is to issue bans and permits for export.

        Very much explains.
        If something is exported, it is based on contracts, an agreement, and pursued economic policy on the basis of existing laws, for which all branches of government are responsible. If you compare the president with the secretary general, by vested powers. This is no more than 10 percent of those that were Secretary General.
        The meaning of the existence of the state in the comprehensive well-being and development of society as a whole and of every citizen in particular.
        The meaning of society is to optimize and facilitate the existence of each individual citizen.


        Comprehensive well-being is a loose concept. The state is a set of political institutions whose main goal is to preserve the integrity of society. The meaning of the existence of the state is briefly contained in the national idea.
        On the meaning of the existence of society, here the worldview has a decisive role.,
        http://www.pravoslavie.ru/jurnal/ideas/dictatura.htm
        I think that in the near future, numerous facts of the regime’s crimes, its ties with the invaders or masters, will be revealed anyway. The liberation of Russia is a matter of time. The process is already running.
        And perhaps there will already be no reason for debate, well, except perhaps for ideology and worldview and different formulations.
  • anip
    anip 29 June 2013 21: 26 New
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    Well, all the way. Putin Stability. What do you want? The majority believes that “it’s good to live in a Russian country” http://topwar.ru/29998-horosho-vstrane-rossiyskoy-zhit.html, you will receive further stability.
  • Chukchi reader
    Chukchi reader 30 June 2013 18: 43 New
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    The article put a minus.
    How not to stop the running bison or the singing Kobzon, so do not stop the writing Volodin ...
    Volodin, you can’t write, don’t write.