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Swindlers and embezzlers - to freedom. Hot summer 2013

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One of the most vigorously debated legislative initiatives of recent times was the initiative to amnesty persons convicted of certain economic crimes, as well as individuals who are under investigation. The initial version of the draft law was proposed by a working group headed by the Commissioner for Entrepreneurship Mr. Titov (the position in Russia was established in 2012). Titov's version was as follows: to amnesty persons convicted (suspected of committing crimes) under articles 159 (Art. “Fraud”), 160 (Art. “Assignment or embezzlement”), 165 (Art. “Causing property damage through fraud or abuse trust "). In the same version, about four dozen points of various articles related in one way or another to economic crimes were listed.


Swindlers and embezzlers - to freedom. Hot summer 2013


Boris Titov explained the need for a broad amnesty for economic criminals by claiming that this would inject new life-giving air into the Russian financial system and attract investors. With his draft law, the ombudsman went first to President Putin, who, it must be supposed, carefully studied the proposal. And after studying, he made a counter offer: to hold an amnesty, but to narrow the scope of its extension to the articles of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation approximately by half. The President, speaking at a meeting of the so-called Stolypin Club and the Liberal Platform of the United Russia party, said that an economic amnesty for Russia really expects, but only an amnesty for people sent to serve a sentence for fraud or misappropriation of public funds, to put it mildly, it is not practical. In the version of the draft law that was sent for discussion to the State Duma, there is neither an article of 159, nor 160, nor 165.

Frankly speaking, it is not entirely clear what thoughts the Russian ombudsman for businessmen Mr. Titov was guided by when he proposed to declare an amnesty for swindlers of all stripes. It is also not clear how the doors of prisons open for disparate scammers, which is called for an unobstructed exit, could revive the situation in the Russian economic system. It would seem that the system itself at least temporarily got rid of those who drank its juice, from those who managed to arrange the process of personal enrichment at public expense. Really, many investors who were afraid to invest in the Russian economy, expected amnesty for fraudsters and embezzlers? If so, then this is either outright masochism, or some kind of veiled affiliation. Well, in fact - to expect the freedom of those who were imprisoned for plundering the regional treasury or for fraud in the banking sector is somehow strange in the light of the fact that our business is positioning itself transparent and worthy of imitation ... If we assume that the economy is from such a mass economic amnesty would go to growth, it means our economy is totally tied to fraudulent and corrupt schemes. They will squeeze the tail of a different spill — the economy is falling, they will be released to all “authorities” —the economy is growing. So, maybe, then, in order to catch up and overtake, for example, Chinese economic growth, do we need such articles as “Fraud” or “Causing property damage to be abolished”? In principle, everything fits into the logic of the authorized Titov and his team ...

Of course, it must be borne in mind that today there are quite a few people behind the bars or under investigation who have turned out to be classic switchmen each in their field. Fraud operations were carried out behind their backs by completely different people, and they decided to answer them. The same often happens. These people need to be amnestied definitely. But the incident is this: how are the experts going to determine whether a person is sitting behind his or others' economic sins? If such an analysis will be carried out, then for how long will it take? - Once, and who will be responsible for holding an innocent person behind bars? - two. Would anyone have the courage to answer? ..
Obviously, if President Putin had supported the legislative initiative in the form in which it had been presented to him from the working group by Commissioner Titov, then already after a while at liberty “with a clear conscience” before the beginning of the trial we would see the “yubotny legion” of the “generalissimo »Serdyukov and others. With respect to the fraudulent legion, criminal prosecution would be completely stopped, which would respectively unleash each of its representatives (representatives) for new “accomplishments”. As the saying goes: stole, drank, in prison, amnesty ... And if so, then you can again: stole, drank, stole, drank. You look, then again amnesty, and the economy will jerk into the transcendental distance by a bird-three ...

But the legislative initiative was severely curtailed, although it also raises many questions. If we talk about how the Russians responded to the fact that under an amnesty people who are convicted of economic crimes of a certain type will be released, the result of a recent poll from VTsIOM is the following: 32% of Russians support the amnesty, 36% - against, the rest could not With your answer to decide.

The key requirement under the presidential proposal for amnestied is the fact that the amnestied person must be convicted only once, that he is ready to pay the economic damage caused, and that the amnestied person did not use violent acts against other people in order to commit his economic crime. did not attempt In principle, it is reasonable, but even here there is one thing. It lies in the fact that if a person, for example, turned out to be convicted, which is called “for that guy”, it would be extremely beneficial for those who substituted him, because the initiative is about recognizing his guilt and paying the damage again “for that guy. " As they say, admit - we will forgive everything. And if they get principled, and they will not admit guilt, as well as pay the damage caused by others? .. So, they will continue to sit there so that it would be difficult for serious people to be “slandered”.

The leader of the Liberal Democratic Party Vladimir Zhirinovsky spoke about the draft resolution the other day. In an interview with the Russia 24 TV channel, Vladimir Volfovich said that he, like the Duma faction headed by him, was against the decision to amnesty fraudsters. At the same time, Zhirinovsky believes that fraud is one of the most dangerous crimes.

Fraud is the most dangerous type of crime. It is impossible to get rid of fraud, it is forever. The thief can throw his craft, the killer will never touch anyone, the culprit of an accident will never get behind the wheel. A fraudster is a diagnosis for life, I would not let them loose.


Further, with habitual eloquence, the leader of the Liberal Democratic Party noted:

Let's better let go of children who, in early childhood, have done something in bewilderment. Older criminals are already barely breathing - let them die at home. A woman, let’s say, became pregnant - let her give birth at home and bring at least some benefit to her other children.


But scammers (that is, convicted or suspected under Art. 159), on Putin’s initiative, are not supposed to amnesty. Or do we still do not know something? ..

PS According to various sources, an amnesty can touch from 10 to 20 thousands of people convicted of various economic crimes or under investigation for the same offenses before the law. Hot summer 2013 ...
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  1. Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 28 June 2013 06: 55 New
    20
    Ready to accept bets. - On what day after the amnesty will Vasiliev be released from house arrest? am
    1. Russian
      Russian 28 June 2013 07: 13 New
      +7
      Mdaa, good connections, if you almost had such crap! They should not be amnestied, on the contrary, toughen the punishment.
      1. cartridge
        cartridge 28 June 2013 08: 03 New
        +9
        We wanted the best - it will be as always!
        1. Airman
          Airman 28 June 2013 09: 09 New
          10
          Quote: cartridge
          We wanted the best - it will be as always!


          I am surprised by the rush with which the amnesty is being held: the Duma must pass a law before leaving for the summer holidays. It means that it is urgent that someone “necessary” be freed, otherwise the “gangster economy” will collapse.
          1. Very old
            Very old 28 June 2013 14: 57 New
            +1
            The right ones are needed in the right economy. That's such a tautology, that's NEED!
        2. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 28 June 2013 09: 35 New
          +2
          Quote: cartridge
          We wanted the best - it will be as always!
          If they wanted the best, it will be as they wanted. Here are the key questions - who wanted, for what and for whom.


          Quote: Povshnik
          So it is necessary to work out the GDP to “friends”.
          Is it "necessary"? For me, so - everything goes according to plan.
        3. Z.A.M.
          Z.A.M. 28 June 2013 10: 03 New
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          cartridge
          Quote: cartridge
          will be as always!


          Welcome.
          “Cleave” to your comment. For a very long time, very, a week, I waited for this topic to appear on our site ...
          Yesterday I could not stand it: "And here’s the last thing that I’m just in a stupor of - I N D U L L E H E C I And all future thieves - amnesty for economic crimes fool Liberalization of the Criminal Code for economic crimes began under Medvedev, now it’s cooler - steal a million, they proved one hundred thousand, sat down - nothing. Pay a fine - THOSE 50, and walk further, tyr further. BUT! Share ... Once again I emphasize - it is proved, only 5-10 percent, of the actual damages. "
          I’ll continue today, I haven’t read the comments below yet.
          Although in abbreviated form, at least in some form - this is a veiled message to everyone B O R A M - in t he d e .
          Like a former opera, I tell everyone - the crimes listed, only at first glance - not "serious". This is a mine. They are trying to give us examples such as “sat down for nothing”, “under investigation for a trifle”, which have little relation to reality (% 5-10), to these “liberizations”.
          1. Economic crimes, very difficult in identifying. (Well, this is in jurisprudence, not in modern times ...) An investigation is underway About t crime fact (violation of the rule of law). Crime - lasting (long). It’s not easy to catch, there are methods, but! It is not very easy to collect evidence (for submission to court). I almost did it according to the Criminal Procedure Code: the evidence - NOT proof. Well, you saw how they stole it from your pocket, but it wasn’t executed according to the Code of Criminal Procedure - this is not proof, so ... Always remember - THE LAW has nothing to do with S P R A V L E D L I V O S T U L . Unfortunately, it has always been this way ...
          So here. The process of investigation (interrogator, investigator), capture (opera), detention (temporary detention facility, GUIN)), proof of guilt (defamation, investigators), charges in court (prosecutor) - is spent NOT SMALL effort, time, and - yes, yes - money (ours - taxpayers).
          2. In order to ... No, about something else.
          But you, who is on the forum, at least once someone stole something from you? Do you know how pleasant it is to come home and see that everything is turned over, scattered, to understand that someone rummaged in YOUR things, etc. Or, to realize that you are “DROPPED” ... deceived ...
          3. What I wanted to write in 2).
          The funds spent on "landing" ("wholesale"), state, (with taxes, the money is OUR). How about this?
          Content (although, I would have chopped my hands, burned stigmas) - is that what? All the "down the drain"? I'm being fooled, the second or third time ???
          This YNYTSYativa, nothing more than - Steal further, do not "burrow", share - and ... everything is in the "chocolate"?

          Yesterday I wrote, today I repeat - "EXTERNAL" President Putin - GLITTER! "INTERIOR"- !!! He supported this nonsense ... a lie ...
          Confused ... but boiling ...
          And this is not an insult ... this is CONSTANT.
          All hi
          1. Uncle
            Uncle 28 June 2013 12: 38 New
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            Quote: Z.A.M.
            Yesterday I wrote, today I repeat - "EXTERNAL" President Putin - GLITTER! "INTERNAL" - !!! He supported this nonsense ... a lie ...

            I carefully read your comment, I agree that they steal a lot and the government is inactive. But even under Stalin, with its repressive mechanism, they stole. And under Brezhnev and with all the kings. Peter suggested that the official who stole more than the cost of the rope hang on the same rope. One of those present said, "You, Your Majesty, absolutely want to remain without subjects, or what?" Maybe stealing is in the blood of a person? Or has our state grown together with the criminal world inextricably?
            1. Col.
              Col. 28 June 2013 13: 12 New
              +6
              Quote: Uncle
              Or has our state grown together with the criminal world inextricably?

              Not certainly in that way. More precisely - the underworld came to power in our state!
            2. Very old
              Very old 28 June 2013 15: 00 New
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              But the last one is not a question for you, but a statement, and then I agree with you! +++
            3. Ivan.
              Ivan. 28 June 2013 15: 18 New
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              Quote: Uncle
              Maybe stealing is in the blood of a person?

              NO, it’s just that evil is contagious, including “energy-information”, if an “evil” idea or its disseminating medium got into any society, then it’s a matter of time, its “progression” and “evolution” to outright evil and distortion of common truths, in the fight against evil the mind is useless only wisdom will help.
              The essence of man is joy, her lie kills. Man always grows, but in his will to choose which way.
            4. Mahamont
              Mahamont 28 June 2013 18: 32 New
              +2
              “When a person is given to steal, he cannot stop, he will always steal. He will become rotten and rotten by others. And the rot in it will grow, it cannot stop until the whole person in the window is a rat. The ass is that the person doesn’t does he notice, understand? He always thinks - well, I’m a normal guy, well, he hid his deha - who doesn’t happen to him? If not, like. And then - once and again, and he sees everything at once: I’m a rat! damn it! And since he thinks he’s already in the know that he’s a rat - well? What am I to do now, go up and get up ?! I’ll live on. Fuck with him, I’ll live a rat.
              Burkem Al Atomi.
          2. Ivan.
            Ivan. 28 June 2013 14: 59 New
            +2
            Quote: Z.A.M.
            I’ll continue today, I haven’t read the comments below yet.
            At least in abbreviated form, at least in some form - this is a veiled message to everyone. W O R A M
            Like a former opera, I tell everyone - the crimes listed, only at first glance - not "serious". This is a mine.

            I will add
            A fraudster is a diagnosis for life, I wouldn’t let them out.

            One of the main scammers, nicknamed “skunk,” said, as they say, the one on whom the hat is on shouts louder - LL (leader of the liberals)
            I read your comment yesterday and did not know what to think, the duck was hoping. It is a pity that there is no punishment for attempting to introduce criminal laws - it is a pity, in my opinion this is vital.
          3. The comment was deleted.
          4. Grenader
            Grenader 28 June 2013 15: 39 New
            0
            The funds spent on "landing" ("wholesale"), state, (with taxes, the money is OUR). How about this?
            Content (although, I would have chopped my hands, burned stigmas) - is that what? I certainly need to release prisons, as in China:
        4. Z.A.M.
          Z.A.M. 28 June 2013 10: 04 New
          +7
          cartridge
          Quote: cartridge
          will be as always!


          Welcome.
          “Cleave” to your comment. For a very long time, very, a week, I waited for this topic to appear on our site ...
          Yesterday I could not stand it: "And here’s the last thing that I’m just in a stupor of - I N D U L L E H E C I And all future thieves - amnesty for economic crimes fool Liberalization of the Criminal Code for economic crimes began under Medvedev, now it’s cooler - steal a million, they proved one hundred thousand, sat down - nothing. Pay a fine - THOSE 50, and walk further, tyr further. BUT! Share ... Once again I emphasize - it is proved, only 5-10 percent, of the actual damages. "
          I’ll continue today, I haven’t read the comments below yet.
          Although in abbreviated form, at least in some form - this is a veiled message to everyone B O R A M - in t he d e .
          Like a former opera, I tell everyone - the crimes listed, only at first glance - not "serious". This is a mine. They are trying to give us examples such as “sat down for nothing”, “under investigation for a trifle”, which have little relation to reality (% 5-10), to these “liberizations”.
          1. Economic crimes, very difficult in identifying. (Well, this is in jurisprudence, not in modern times ...) An investigation is underway About t crime fact (violation of the rule of law). Crime - lasting (long). It’s not easy to catch, there are methods, but! It is not very easy to collect evidence (for submission to court). I almost did it according to the Criminal Procedure Code: the evidence - NOT proof. Well, you saw how they stole it from your pocket, but it wasn’t executed according to the Code of Criminal Procedure - this is not proof, so ... Always remember - THE LAW has nothing to do with S P R A V L E D L I V O S T U L . Unfortunately, it has always been this way ...
          So here. The process of investigation (interrogator, investigator), capture (opera), detention (temporary detention facility, GUIN)), proof of guilt (defamation, investigators), charges in court (prosecutor) - is spent NOT SMALL effort, time, and - yes, yes - money (ours - taxpayers).
          2. In order to ... No, about something else.
          But you, who is on the forum, at least once someone stole something from you? Do you know how pleasant it is to come home and see that everything is turned over, scattered, to understand that someone rummaged in YOUR things, etc. Or, to realize that you are “DROPPED” ... deceived ...
          3. What I wanted to write in 2).
          The funds spent on "landing" ("wholesale"), state, (with taxes, the money is OUR). How about this?
          Content (although, I would have chopped my hands, burned stigmas) - is that what? All the "down the drain"? I'm being fooled, the second or third time ???
          This YNYTSYativa, nothing more than - Steal further, do not "burrow", share - and ... everything is in the "chocolate"?

          Yesterday I wrote, today I repeat - "EXTERNAL" President Putin - GLITTER! "INTERIOR"- !!! He supported this nonsense ... a lie ...
          Confused ... but boiling ...
          And this is not an insult ... this is CONSTANT.
          All hi
          1. Yarosvet
            Yarosvet 28 June 2013 11: 55 New
            +7
            Quote: Z.A.M
          2. Z.A.M.
            Z.A.M. 28 June 2013 12: 07 New
            0
            By the way, two times did not pass.

            GLE "INTERNAL" - read "INTERNAL G.A.V.N."
          3. cdrt
            cdrt 28 June 2013 22: 25 New
            -1
            It’s interesting, apparently no one has heard about raiding, about how any company that a person liked with connections in the Ministry of Internal Affairs / Investigative Committee / Prosecutor's Office / FSB can be squeezed out. And things appear like mushrooms after the rain, and after a couple of months of arrival, the one whom they come across becomes a mixture of Mavrodi and Hannibal Lector.
            I had a friend - medium business, 10 small clothing stores.
            In 2005, he decided it was too dangerous, everyone was taken away from the police, etc. Began to go out of business - build a hotel in Montenegro with 30 rooms.
            He laughed - he didn’t have time for the last 2 stores - they took it away, they threatened that a little more - they would immediately find the drug from his son (a schoolboy then) ...
            Spit on the remaining stores - copied to whom they said. Mom of the wife of one of those who came.

            Does it ever occur to anyone that amnesty is for those like him who only decide not to give their own?
            1. Yarosvet
              Yarosvet 28 June 2013 22: 39 New
              +1
              Quote: cdrt
              Does it ever occur to anyone that amnesty is for those like him who only decide not to give their own?
              No - it’s just that they sew the drug, or something like that (a lot of fuss with economic articles).
          4. Combitor
            Combitor 29 June 2013 11: 06 New
            +2
            This is to be expected. The Putin regime will not give offense. In the total mass of “amnestied” fraudsters, the members of the Serdyukovskaya “brigade” and Mrs. Skrynnik and many, many others are lost.
      2. Airman
        Airman 28 June 2013 09: 03 New
        +2
        Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й
        Mdaa, good connections, if you almost had such crap! They should not be amnestied, on the contrary, toughen the punishment.


        There is a good proverb: with whom you will lead, from that you will gain. So it is necessary to work out the GDP to “friends”.
      3. DEfindER
        DEfindER 28 June 2013 14: 08 New
        +5
        Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й
        They should not be amnestied, on the contrary, toughen the punishment.

        I agree, in a country in which corruption goes wild, and as the air needs to tighten laws, and punish fraudsters, and they carry out an amnesty, well this is not an open betrayal ...
        1. Ivan.
          Ivan. 28 June 2013 17: 06 New
          0
          Quote: DEfindER
          Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й
          They should not be amnestied, on the contrary, toughen the punishment.

          I agree, in a country in which corruption goes wild, and as the air needs to tighten laws, and punish fraudsters, and they carry out an amnesty, well this is not an open betrayal ...

          We hear every now and then: to strengthen the fight against corruption, you give the “war” of corruption! Well, if they tell us that this is carried out within the framework of the anti-corruption program, then there are no words at all !!!
    2. krasin
      krasin 28 June 2013 07: 14 New
      +1
      But fraudsters (that is, convicted or suspected under Art. 159), at the initiative of Putin, seem to be not going to amnesty.

      Something seems to be preparing Serdyukov’s pillow! They’ll let you down under the article, the investigation hasn’t decided yet, while the witness is either a thief or a victim. wassat
    3. Tersky
      Tersky 28 June 2013 07: 26 New
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      Quote: Ruslan67
      Ready to accept bets. - On what day after the amnesty will Vasiliev be released from house arrest?

      Ruslan, hi ! You are mistaken, here is candidate No. 1, Vasiliev is a small fry, or rather a steam locomotive ..
      1. Ruslan67
        Ruslan67 28 June 2013 07: 28 New
        +2
        Quote: Tersky
        You are mistaken, here is candidate number 1

        I missed everything again !? belay Is it really sitting what wassat
        1. Tersky
          Tersky 28 June 2013 08: 27 New
          +2
          Quote: Ruslan67
          Is it really sitting

          Rather, the sky will fall to the earth ... laughing
        2. Airman
          Airman 28 June 2013 08: 46 New
          +3
          Quote: Ruslan67
          Quote: Tersky
          You are mistaken, here is candidate number 1

          I missed everything again !? belay Is it really sitting what wassat

          In private Rusnano, an adviser with Redhead. At 600 per month.
          1. folds
            folds 28 June 2013 15: 57 New
            +2
            Why so little? After all, it’s exhausting, people on the streets will stop recognizing, they won’t know who to spit in their faces .. :)
      2. Very old
        Very old 28 June 2013 15: 08 New
        +2
        VICTOR, you are mistaken. They will hide a small bipod and take it away on a steam locomotive. And Verka "Serdyuchka" will hook zwep.du on the forehead and even go and make fun of all of us a + and you’ll fight for your position
      3. Ivan.
        Ivan. 28 June 2013 15: 23 New
        0
        Quote: Tersky
        Quote: Ruslan67
        Ready to accept bets. - On what day after the amnesty will Vasiliev be released from house arrest?

        Ruslan, hi ! You are mistaken, here is candidate No. 1, Vasiliev is a small fry, or rather a steam locomotive ..

        Is not a fact. An example of a pawn is the president of Syshya as a position.
    4. Vadivak
      Vadivak 28 June 2013 08: 17 New
      +4
      Quote: Ruslan67
      Ready to accept bets. - On what day after the amnesty will Vasiliev be released from house arrest?


      there, in fact, there is a fad freedom is changed to compensation for damage, but it’s such a trifle compared to the human destiny crippled by the prison, and if also a person with a good characterization from the place of work or family (sister after all), I think it’s not a question at all
    5. pensioner
      pensioner 28 June 2013 08: 58 New
      0
      Good morning! Ready to accept, you say? And put it yourself? Come on ...
    6. discard
      discard 28 June 2013 09: 20 New
      -2
      Our justice is the most fair and humane.
      Therefore, as they sat, let them sit. And the authorities are calmer, and society too.
      And then rogues and thieves will go free and take away from those WHO HAVE NOT STILL SIT THE LAST, accumulated by overwork.
      No, “A thief should be in prison,” even if he didn’t steal, but he was stolen. This is the fundamental position of our humane justice, firmly in the position of protecting our power and vertical from everyone and everything.
    7. experienced
      experienced 28 June 2013 09: 26 New
      +7
      Quote: Ruslan67
      Ready to accept bets. - On what day after the amnesty will Vasiliev be released from house arrest?

      Ruslan, so big, but you believe in fairy tales ... If there was at least the slightest chance that Vasilyev would be imprisoned, we would have long read her interview from London about the reprisal of the bloody regime with the reformers, I can say the same about Serdyukov. The authorities hastened to meet Zubkov, who wanted to punish his “son-in-law” son-in-law and sent himself into a dead end, from which he is now trying to get out. It’s terrible, but at us “Treason to the family” began to be worse than treason am
      1. Col.
        Col. 28 June 2013 12: 24 New
        +1
        Quote: seasoned
        It’s terrible, but at us “Treason to the family” began to be worse than treason

        That's it, looking at a family treason.
    8. Col.
      Col. 28 June 2013 12: 21 New
      +3
      Quote: Ruslan67
      Ready to accept bets. - On what day after the amnesty will Vasiliev be released from house arrest?

      There is good reason to believe that this amnesty was prepared specifically for Serdyukov and his predatory pack. I would not be surprised if he and his accomplices still receive compensation for moral damage, f ...
    9. Melchakov
      Melchakov 28 June 2013 12: 38 New
      +3
      that he is ready to pay the economic damage
      I don’t know about you, but I really like this fad.
      1. folds
        folds 28 June 2013 16: 08 New
        0
        But I’m not very .. From what is really stolen - God forbid, they will prove 10 percent. There is a conversation about this at the top - he steals constantly and nepomalo, caught on one fact - maybe he will compensate for it ... It is really necessary to do so in order not to steal - to chop hands, shoot. Why doesn't the police (not ours) take bribes? Because reaching for 100 bucks or Euros, he risks the length of service and retirement for 20 years. And the resignation or pension for an official is not equivalent to the desire to steal state money - nevertheless, they will build their own places around, there will always be bread places for those who can share ...
    10. vezunchik
      vezunchik 28 June 2013 14: 33 New
      +1
      Well, gentlemen, the minusers and the elders of the regime received? Or again do not understand ???
    11. knn54
      knn54 28 June 2013 16: 36 New
      +1
      Ruslan: EVERYTHING IS SUCH the summer of 2013 is hot. But essentially, when he unfastens the authorized Titov and his team for the Canaries.
  2. fenix57
    fenix57 28 June 2013 07: 17 New
    +4
    Quote: Ruslan67
    -What day after the amnesty, will Vasiliev be released from house arrest?

    Honestly, I don’t remember where, but I read that embezzlers do not fall under the amnesty ...

    "... the need for a broad amnesty for economic criminals in that it supposedly will breathe new life-giving air into the Russian financial system and attract investors."-Of course, attract-more "terry" scammers! Here to return the confiscation (including the property of close relatives), but dreams, alas dreams ... hi
    1. Ruslan67
      Ruslan67 28 June 2013 07: 47 New
      +2
      Quote: fenix57
      that embezzlers do not fall under the amnesty ...

      With these words, who the ear what So again ... am hi
      1. fartfraer
        fartfraer 28 June 2013 08: 02 New
        +2
        "Honestly, I don’t remember where, but I read that embezzlers do not fall under the amnesty .." - the fact is that they seem to have "not stolen" from the treasury (if smart lawyers are found), but simply "did not in the time of those services for which they received money "(as an option), the interpretation here is of great importance, the law should not allow double interpretation at all.
        and you have not read anywhere that we will now be fined for bribes? look for the info, very interesting.
  3. does it
    does it 28 June 2013 07: 34 New
    +2
    There are no more words!
  4. Dimy4
    Dimy4 28 June 2013 07: 46 New
    +2
    And why was he ashamed of something. Would include the entire special part of the Criminal Code in the amnesty.
  5. individual
    individual 28 June 2013 07: 53 New
    +7
    A fraudster is a diagnosis of the sophisticated psyche of a thief.
    A thief should sit in jail.
    1. Denis
      Denis 28 June 2013 08: 03 New
      +8
      Quote: individ
      A fraudster is a diagnosis of the sophisticated psyche of a thief.
      A thief should sit in jail.

      Most who sit on these articles did not do their business in order not to die of hunger, but in order to increase their fortune. Better amnesty for young people who are serving for petty crimes, help them in finding employment, etc.
      1. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 28 June 2013 09: 40 New
        +5
        Quote: Denis
        Better amnesty for young people who are serving for petty crimes, help them in finding employment, etc.
        And the 282nd? 6 years for a swastika on the facade of the synagogue - is that normal?
        1. ded10041948
          ded10041948 28 June 2013 13: 40 New
          +3
          Few! this is an insult not only to religious feelings, but also to the memory of those who defended their homeland! In the "damned Stalinist times" this "artist" was spread on the same wall with an even thin layer of unreasonable slime and no one would blather! Yes, and followers would be reduced!
          1. Yarosvet
            Yarosvet 28 June 2013 15: 51 New
            +1
            Quote: ded10041948
            Few! this is an insult not only to religious feelings, but also to the memory of those who defended their homeland! In the "damned Stalinist times" this "artist" was spread on the same wall with an even thin layer of unreasonable slime and no one would blather! Yes, and followers would be reduced!
            Oh, what an implacable fighter you are with human vices ...
            Does it mean little? Maybe a little - everything is relative.

            Explain to me this: where is not enough and where is enough?
            1. Indigo
              Indigo 28 June 2013 16: 48 New
              +5
              and about the amnesty of the ped ... for Kvachkov, Budanov they didn’t stutter something, but they did much more for the country, but alas, the thieves are burry in favor ........
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            2. ded10041948
              ded10041948 28 June 2013 20: 37 New
              0
              Watering places could have been given even more, but as a preventative measure, this will also go (you can add a father’s belt in sirloin parts)
              And here is the nid lawmaker five five unconditionally and in the zone. There he will be quickly taught all the female wisdom. Plus, compensation for non-pecuniary damage for a girl (10 lyam) and a ban on holding elected and public posts (for life)
              And the requirements are tough because there is nowhere to roll further. I present the same to myself.
              1. Yarosvet
                Yarosvet 28 June 2013 21: 10 New
                +2
                With strict requirements, I completely agree - the punishment should generally be super-adequate, otherwise it turns into an act of sale.

                But here is the idiocy in the distribution of terms by article, as well as the selectivity of "justice" - this is something.
            3. cdrt
              cdrt 28 June 2013 22: 32 New
              +1
              Everything is simple - your senator, you can’t surrender wink
              Fools - sang against. Well at least not shot, thanks already.

              You can recall how the girl-daughter of the main regional EdRoss ran into two aunts, crushed one, and mutilated the second. Deferral until the child grows up - by 14 years. Again - your own, you can’t offend a good person ...
              1. Yarosvet
                Yarosvet 28 June 2013 22: 52 New
                0
                At the expense of Tsepovyaz and Shavenkova, it’s true, but with the girls it’s a little more complicated: Vovin’s rating at that time fell so much that there was a real chance of a flight.
                From here and from one place the sucked up "orange threat", and provocation of girls.

                It was enough to declare this insanity an attack on the church and Russia, declare the church to be a state-forming institution, and Vova the savior of Russia - and close-knit religious guys, of whom there are many, went and voted for whom it was necessary.
                1. fisherman
                  fisherman 28 June 2013 23: 12 New
                  0
                  To expose some conditions of your love is the very egoism towards which liberalism pushes us.


                  ingenious, you should write scripts :)
                  1. Yarosvet
                    Yarosvet 28 June 2013 23: 40 New
                    -1
                    Keep spreading your words, since you are amused by the game "move out to the market".
                    Everyone thinks and has fun to the extent of his own corruption. yes
                    1. fisherman
                      fisherman 28 June 2013 23: 54 New
                      0
                      continue to have fun with pictures, you are our video clip :)

                      don’t be angry, the wrong quote was inserted, this one is needed:

                      It was enough to declare this insanity an attack on the church and Russia, declare the church to be a state-forming institution, and Vova the savior of Russia - and close-knit religious guys, of whom there are many, went and voted for whom it was necessary.


                      ingenious, you really need to write scripts :) it’s not for nothing that geniuses and and ... d ... and ... oh ... t ... s

                      - It is the same :)))
                      1. Yarosvet
                        Yarosvet 29 June 2013 01: 49 New
                        0
                        Have fun - you do well laughing

                        However, you can search for the answer to my 4th question. It’s so difficult to define the actions of the president at odds with the Constitution and the Labor Code! laughing

                        Have fun !!!
                      2. fisherman
                        fisherman 29 June 2013 12: 34 New
                        0
                        diverging from the law

                        consistent with law

                        preferably for every citizen of Russia (stop, this is a mistake, they are only interested in Putin, there is a point of contact, and some see him as a "totalitarian despotism", "communist regime", "Stalin's disciple", "bloody gebnya", and all in one face
                        and their allies see it as an "oligarchic regime", "liberal power", and they are all rightly wrong, at least in total

                        so I didn’t understand about the articles and questions, apparently I don’t want to go on to research any one question, and they continue to dump the verbal and video snowstorm

                        and let the court give definitions, because we do not live in the animal world :)

                        having fun as soon as it gets boring, always looking for clowns, and you work, work

                        and more intellectual pathos in statements, pass for clever :)
      2. PPL
        PPL 28 June 2013 14: 42 New
        +1
        I don’t know how much to give, including the belt for ... in childhood, but I think just as much as would be delayed in the brain - walls and fences cannot be soiled with any crap !!!
  6. vezunchik
    vezunchik 28 June 2013 14: 36 New
    +2
    And then who will lead the country ?!
  • AKOL
    AKOL 28 June 2013 07: 56 New
    +6
    Urya Mr. Titov for a principled position !!!
    I’m wondering how he will sing if they throw directly his beloved, also about amnesty? In general, “The thief should be in prison” and that’s it.
    Not only that, in my deep conviction, it is necessary to return the death penalty and labor camps, but it also comes up that we also feed every bastard in gratitude for the crimes committed.
  • BARKAS
    BARKAS 28 June 2013 07: 57 New
    +1
    It is also incomprehensible how the doors of prisons open to motley fraudsters, which is called an unhindered exit, could revive the situation in the Russian economic system.

    What is not clear here will immediately be released to the economy the benefit of the British truth, the money is there!
  • avant-garde
    avant-garde 28 June 2013 08: 08 New
    +7
    This is the matter, this is how I understand. The Russian court is the most humane court in the world, and has not spent a day behind bars even with a clear conscience. Tfu am. Moreover, the first ones to fall under it are those who are tied to defense service, and those who stole the forks of cabbage from the collective farm field will continue to atone for their most serious crime. fool
  • ed65b
    ed65b 28 June 2013 08: 21 New
    +8
    Here on TV recently showed. A man swelled, he was kicked out of the house, he stole hunger from a neighbor's kul potato filed a case, the man went on the run, frostbite on a blue in the winter, his arms and legs were cut off. Sister took him home from the hospital to care for. then our gallant organs appeared and the most humane court in the world soldered him 3 years. And here a little man sits in the Krasnodar zone without arms and legs. the boss makes a helpless gesture I can’t do anything. And you say amnesty. If Vasilyev and Serdyukov with his relatives are sentenced to indulgence, I will go to the opposition. We got it already.
    1. Valery-SPB
      Valery-SPB 28 June 2013 08: 36 New
      +8
      What do we call the opposition?
      Where and when is the organization fee?
      How can I sign up?
      Recruitment requirements?
      1. omsbon
        omsbon 28 June 2013 10: 54 New
        +6
        Quote: Valery-SPB
        How can I sign up?

        Issue Nagan or come with your own? When and where?
        1. ed65b
          ed65b 28 June 2013 12: 50 New
          0
          The Nagans ended, there were leather cloaks and Mausers.
          1. ded10041948
            ded10041948 28 June 2013 13: 43 New
            +3
            I have everything mine. Take it? And then these lawmakers already got it!
          2. omsbon
            omsbon 28 June 2013 21: 56 New
            0
            Quote: ed65b
            Nagans are over, leather cloaks and Mausers are left

            Nothing, nothing I'm on the Mauser, if you can "bolo" very, very agree. I don’t need a raincoat, I’ll take a leather jacket!
            When and where to come?
        2. Valery-SPB
          Valery-SPB 28 June 2013 13: 02 New
          +2
          Quote: omsbon
          Quote: Valery-SPB
          How can I sign up?

          Issue Nagan or come with your own? When and where?


          I will give you parabellum!
          1. cdrt
            cdrt 28 June 2013 22: 35 New
            0
            Street Children Assistance Society wink
  • piter-tank
    piter-tank 28 June 2013 08: 28 New
    +5
    As stated in the media, amnesty will not fall on those who stole from the state, including and citizens are thieves in the Oboronservis case.
    1. avant-garde
      avant-garde 28 June 2013 08: 30 New
      +4
      Quote: piter-tank
      under the amnesty will not fall those who stole from the state

      And who of them sits belay?????
    2. Airman
      Airman 28 June 2013 08: 51 New
      0
      Quote: piter-tank
      As stated in the media, amnesty will not fall on those who stole from the state, including and citizens are thieves in the Oboronservis case.

      Fresh food, yes sir .. with difficulty.
    3. ed65b
      ed65b 28 June 2013 12: 52 New
      0
      And who said that they stole ???????????? they were engaged in entrepreneurial activities.
      1. Very old
        Very old 28 June 2013 15: 21 New
        +1
        I repeat: for the activity in his own QUALITY, well, whoever planted him, he is almost a monument. EDDI, in solidarity, +
    4. ded10041948
      ded10041948 28 June 2013 13: 46 New
      +2
      Mark! You don’t think that after 25 years optimism is an indecent disease! Or are you younger? Then there is a chance ...
    5. Very old
      Very old 28 June 2013 15: 17 New
      +3
      "Oboronservis" is not a state, but a patrimony. But the patrimony is given for FEEDING
  • Arthur 775
    Arthur 775 28 June 2013 08: 28 New
    +3
    Amnesty scammers, complete nonsense. This is a gamble, it seems as long as the GDP did not look like an adventurer.
    It would be better to conduct an analysis and amnesty another category of inmates. There from the LDPR they threw a thought.
    There is no need to create jobs, to open new industries. Does Putin really not know
    , but more important than worries, it’s not enough to do it than r ..... do it. These completely soaked Titovs, there you have to go to scammers.
  • Valery-SPB
    Valery-SPB 28 June 2013 08: 31 New
    0
    Funny funny wassat

    What people are outraged, it is not clear?
    The Russian language says amnesty convicts and suspects? belay

    Procedural provisions of a person held criminally liable:

    Suspect
    Accused
    Defendant
    Convicted

    How did Lavrenty Palych respond to a very clever detainee by pointing to the space outside the window?

    - The suspects go there, and since you are HERE, you are already the accused! hi
  • darksoul
    darksoul 28 June 2013 08: 33 New
    0
    Boris Titov motivated the need for a broad amnesty for economic criminals by the fact that supposedly this will breathe new life-giving air into the Russian financial system


    I wonder how long since corrupt officials began to do something for the good, they take air here in Russia as an internal combustion engine through the inlet and ask ... they ask everything in the west through the exhaust. What can I say .... so do not fight corruption
    1. ed65b
      ed65b 28 June 2013 12: 55 New
      -3
      Quote: darksoul
      Russian financial system new life-giving air

      Laughed like a horse, Titov himself understood what he said?
      1. PPL
        PPL 28 June 2013 14: 53 New
        +2
        It’s a pity the phrase is quoted incompletely, it’s cooler there:
        "Titov motivated the need for a broad amnesty for economic criminals by the fact that supposedly this will breathe new life-giving air into the Russian financial system and attract investors"
        What kind of investors - new suckers for a divorce?
        1. fisherman
          fisherman 28 June 2013 22: 18 New
          +1
          so investors (long-term, not speculators) enti do not come because they do not like such a high level of fraud and forgery

          therefore, Comrade Titov slightly decided to powder his brains (the usual substitution of concepts)

          and will continue to defend the interests of "Kosomoltsy from business" (Khodorkovsky, etc.)

          We are waiting for new and new legislative "initiatives" :)
  • viktor_ui
    viktor_ui 28 June 2013 08: 47 New
    +2
    Maybe American satellites satellites in our very large part of the layer of the political elite, brains fry in the course of life ??? Indeed, based on the voiced pearls of Titov, we can safely conclude that he has not only ALL HOUSES in his head ... but he is a project and at the same time he projects his stupidity on the current electorate, including you and me with a very smart face and knowledge of the matter in the voice ... Lord, they don’t already know how to steal their thieves' asses with what kind of legal drayole if they were to steal ... Actually, a kleptocrat is a sick person who hasn’t yet slept, will not be able to sleep peacefully ... conclusion - there are a lot of patients there and they need to be treated, or soaked ... Yes, even to catch up, comrade Ostap Bender, compared to this high-ranking crook, it’s just a genius in all directions and it would be wonderful to independently check the coefficient. mental development in all of these MODERN noises.
  • Arthur 775
    Arthur 775 28 June 2013 08: 52 New
    +1
    angry am And they will not ask us what they will do.
  • Tarpon
    Tarpon 28 June 2013 08: 59 New
    +1
    if President Putin supported the legislative initiative in the form in which it had been presented to him from the working group of Commissioner Titov, then after some time we would have seen the “skirt legion” of “Generalissimo” Serdyukov even before the trial began, and other persons. With respect to the fraudulent legion, the criminal prosecution would have been completely stopped, which would accordingly have unleashed each of its representatives (representatives) hands for new “accomplishments”. As they say: stole, drank, to prison, amnesty ... And if so, then you can again: stole, drank, stole, drank. You look, then they again amnesty, and the economy with a bird-three will explode into sky-high distances ...

    Titov needs to be driven for such initiatives. am
    1. sergey261180
      sergey261180 28 June 2013 22: 00 New
      0
      Drive a stage to Magadan!
  • deman73
    deman73 28 June 2013 09: 01 New
    +1
    I didn’t understand something, but somebody asked the victims, they want to see at large people who have committed crimes against them.
  • The gentleman
    The gentleman 28 June 2013 09: 06 New
    +3
    the rationale itself is ridiculous in terms of amnesty. however, from the point of view of the law, it is quite normal. in the event that the offender convicted under an economic article compensates for the material damage, then I think it’s quite normal to transfer from a criminal article to an administrative one. In turn, this is still an article, but the state will not pay for the contents of the criminal and will allow further control over the activities of this entrepreneur.
    in addition, it is surprising that such a position as Commissioner for Business Affairs appeared only in 2012. why so? After all, small and medium business is the basis of the country's economy. it is them that need to be supported, allowed to work, etc. Although, a purely personal opinion
  • pensioner
    pensioner 28 June 2013 09: 06 New
    0
    In private Rusnano, an adviser with Redhead. At 600 per month.

    No, well, it’s all kinds of things that you can spoil the people’s soul, but so that ... And, most importantly, Serdyukov can advise in the field of anotechnology ??? How to write off nanotables?
    1. Indigo
      Indigo 28 June 2013 10: 46 New
      +2
      As for me, KVACHKOV should be released first!
      and appoint the chief assistant for cleaning the Kremlin stables. (just do not touch the "amusing regiment" with his cavalry) ............
  • alexdol
    alexdol 28 June 2013 09: 24 New
    -1
    "The LDPR leader Vladimir Zhirinovsky recently spoke about the draft resolution. In an interview with Russia 24 TV channel, Vladimir Volfovich said that he, like the Duma faction led by him, was against the decision to amnesty fraudsters. Moreover, Zhirinovsky believes that fraud is one of the most dangerous crimes. "
    There is nothing more to add! Thief and rogue - must sit! Does the president really not understand this?
  • Averias
    Averias 28 June 2013 09: 36 New
    +6
    Of course I understand the outrage of the members of the forum. But still, nothing has happened - and we are already screaming. Of course, I myself am tormented by vague doubts. But, talking with a former employee of the FSIN (he worked in the zone), he says - there are clear lists - those who are UDO is possible and those who never shine. Yes, if you have money, everything can be solved, but there are times where money does not help. Unless the order from above arrives. They write and resent a lot about Vasiliev and Serdyukov, I agree - anger is fair. But if you look deeper, because they are followed by such a chain of performers. Who are at large, went underground and steal further. Good schemes worked out. With these two, everything is clear. It is necessary to tear out the entire "root system". Again, as they did not shout that they (Serdyukov and Vamsiliev) would be dumped abroad, and many claimed that they had already dumped. After all, no, they are sitting in their "golden cage" and divining on the coffee grounds. As our President has proved, he likes to do feint with his ears, and his moves and logic of actions are hard to calculate. Yes, and the accounts of this couple were arrested, relatives are woolly.
    Friends, let's not panic ahead of time.

    PS When the lawyer of Khodorkovsky was asked whether he would be granted amnesty, the lawyer's eyes popped out. It was read on his face - well, I understand that you, the media, love sensations, but not to the same extent. And in a manner typical of all lawyers, he masterfully made it clear - this is hardly, or rather, NO.
    1. fisherman
      fisherman 28 June 2013 22: 27 New
      +1
      in

      however, your point of view is unlikely to suit the so-called revolutionaries, well, jester with them

      about the amnesty (and the upcoming courts) you must first look, then raise the cry

      regarding punishments, it seems to me that there is an opinion with which absolutely all forum users agree: - an increase in the severity of punishments

      it looks like it's overdue
  • strange and pretty meaningless
    strange and pretty meaningless 28 June 2013 09: 40 New
    +1
    that supposedly it will breathe new life-giving air into the Russian financial system and attract investors
    laughing laughing laughing
    The more thieves are free, the more money will flow to us ?! !! So what? If I drill all the iron barrels under the drain at the cottage, then will it not stop raining? recourse Duc - and if we reward for ent - will we all bathe in luxury ??? WORK NINADA !!! drinks Nishtyak! Cho there further
    to grant an amnesty, but to narrow the boundaries of its distribution to articles of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation by about half
    ??? Apparently, you need to read - FOR TWO wink uh ... Serdyukov & Vasilyeva ???
  • IRKUT
    IRKUT 28 June 2013 09: 58 New
    0
    A thief should sit in jail! This is AXIOM.
  • family
    family tree 28 June 2013 09: 59 New
    +2
    Boris Titov motivated the need for a broad amnesty for economic criminals by the fact that supposedly this will breathe new life-giving air into the Russian financial system and attract investors.
    belay What is it like? Instantly there are those who want to be fooled? What life-giving air can there be from a herd of goats in a cabbage bed? Who set this fool for the Ombudsman for Entrepreneurs?
    1. fisherman
      fisherman 28 June 2013 22: 29 New
      0
      and you take an interest in his career, so to speak

      the same tip :)
  • koksalek
    koksalek 28 June 2013 10: 21 New
    0
    They gave a green light to all the relics in the form of Smetanina and the like. So that they burn in hell forever and in vivo
  • ale-x
    ale-x 28 June 2013 10: 40 New
    -1
    A Th, not sickly? The villains are amnestied and this means that they will be able to "work" again, i.e. to hold posts and positions? After all, if they compensate for the damage, it turns out that the restrictions will be lifted from them as well?
  • Begemot
    Begemot 28 June 2013 11: 15 New
    +2
    I have a passing feeling that this amnesty is purposefully adjusted to Serdyukovsky chicken coop. No one doubts that now thousands of people are sitting for nothing, he saw with his own eyes how decisions are made on tax matters: the tax has no evidence, and they don’t hide that they can’t prove guilt, but, in their opinion, the defendant violated the law , all - this is enough and come on, get a court order. If they refuse in the second instance - and this rarely happens there - everything is guilty. I agree with Z.A.M., our laws and the justice of the phenomenon are almost disjoint. And law enforcement practice is even more so.
  • dmb
    dmb 28 June 2013 11: 24 New
    0
    Actually, an amnesty is an act of forgiveness. As a rule, it is adopted on the occasion of some great event, when society and the authorities are ready to forgive a certain part of the stumbling of their transgressions. These were amnesties for the White Guards after the strengthening of Soviet power, or amnesty on the occasion of a victory in the Great Patriotic War, i.e. they were accepted when it was clear that the amnesties would not do more harm. The current government (of course no one asked society) is going to forgive by categories. Now she has chosen the category of crooks, well, apparently as the most kindred to her in spirit. Tomorrow there may be an amnesty exclusively for members of the EP or ONF, then we will amnesty exclusively for members of the Lake cooperative. There are only serious doubts that those who amnestied, having washed with tears of gratitude, will immediately rush to build a society of social justice.
    1. fisherman
      fisherman 28 June 2013 22: 31 New
      0
      wait and see
  • A-50
    A-50 28 June 2013 11: 54 New
    +5
    Of course, we must take into account that today there can be many people behind bars or under investigation who turned out to be classic switchmen each in their own sphere. Fraud operations were carried out behind their backs by completely different people, and they decided to demand an answer from them. This often happens. These people need to be amnestied unequivocally.
    These are questions for law enforcement, the investigation and the (completely rotten) JUDICIAL SYSTEM. Let's separate the flies from the cutlets. Putin's liberalism continues - though not in the first person - to vilify the "repressive Stalinist regime." Meanwhile, the nature of the current “justice” in the Russian Federation is just much, much more repressive and accusatory. Over 99% of court verdicts are ACCUSABLE. This state of affairs was previously recognized even by such a "practicing lawyer" as Medvedev - literally "... I agree, the problem exists." In fact, the Racean judge is only a mercenary of the executive branch. I will not go into more detail - about Art. 282 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation and others like it - whoever tried it knows. At the same time, it is not very welcome - including and on this site - to call the situation in Russia "repressive Putin's regime."
    The current state of affairs will naturally continue - as long as the current government operates. There will be no judicial reform - and if there is, then God forbid, they are so liberal that Mama does not grieve.
    So, maybe then, in order to catch up and overtake, for example, Chinese economic growth, we need articles like “Fraud” or “Causing property damage to cancel” in general? In principle, everything fits into the logic of the authorized Titov and his team ...

    With his bill, the commissioner first approached President Putin, who, presumably, carefully studied the proposal. And after studying, he made a counter proposal: to grant an amnesty, but narrow the boundaries of its distribution
    Personally, the name of this Titov does not tell me anything - all this camarilla can safely hide behind the name of its leader. It reminds me of fuss around the Banner of Victory - the “bad” general offered to “take a picture of him,” but the “good” Putin, having “studied the situation” with his political instincts, wrapped up the initiative. Not time yet.
    Another example. Remember the bloated one recently - 2010-11. - The hype around pedophiles. Noise, screams - “reinforce”, “extend”, “increase timelines”. Amendments to the Labor Code were introduced to noise - persons who have (HAVE !!!) a criminal record, who have been prosecuted, do not have the right to occupy ANY posts in the system of children's education and healthcare UNLIMITED. As you can see, the interests of pedophiles were in no way infringed. But those of teachers (or children's doctors) who publicly dare to protest against the "reforms" of the liberals will instantly fly out of the system. And even individual entrepreneurs with educational services cannot become - another parallel law (chik). And for life. However, it is not even necessary to bring the case to court. Scheme: denunciation - "consequence" - reconciliation of the parties. It would seem that a person is “clean” after that ... but he fell under this law, out of school. There are already examples, not unfounded. Moreover, it will not be possible even to work as a watchman in a kindergarten. Those. that under the inflated topics gozman-spring, Titov & Co pushed another political gag you can not even doubt. Grease for theft ALREADY NOT NECESSARY - this stage of democracy has been passed.
    Many on the site are quite rightly interested in the upcoming fate of the master of furniture reforms. I think that it is more necessary to worry about nanotechnology, the cadres are so skillfully selected that the external enemy of the usyan is laughing - or is splattered with champagne. Still, the concept of officer honor is not alien to Vladimir Putin. He would never desecrate the places of stay of officers Kvachkov and Khabarov with such a scumbag. And Budanov can sleep peacefully - they will not send this scum to him.
  • Igarr
    Igarr 28 June 2013 11: 59 New
    +4
    Hello to all...
    well here ...
    I wrote this text yesterday ... in an article with an interview with an MP journalist .... The US will fall apart .. Wait:
    "..Never expected this from a deputy of the EP of the State Duma of the Russian Federation.
    Wanga’s laurels keep him awake?
    What are these forecasts for?
    Sunset, rollback, rollback ...
    In December 2012, the lease of the Fed printing press ended. More precisely, licenses to issue papers with "drawings of dead presidents."
    We made calculations in a rush here - what will happen to the world? With the States ?? With Russia ??? With banks ???? With us precious ????????
    Absolutely - NOTHING.
    Nothing happened. And even this topic was somehow casually, inadvertently - pushed somewhere into the far corner.
    .
    It has been half a year 2013.
    Our unfinished prime minister, along with accomplices, is embarking on another wave of "privatization." 2 trillion want to get. 2000 "watermelons".
    Does anyone believe that this will benefit Russia?
    They announced that they will introduce an "economic amnesty." It is clear to the last phenylketonurist in Russia that this crap will not work, that there is no sense. No .. the body movement continues. Now, one thread in the State Duma .. for the initiative will receive a grant. Or GRANTS ....
    Dollar - jumped. Euro - jumped.
    Our bankers gorlopanit the whole world - "Right now, we will begin to buy dollars .. uncontrollably !!!"
    So maybe privatization is conceived to support America at least a bit ..?
    Or ... to hand over money from sales of the Motherland to amnestied thieves?
    ....
    Does such a government want to raise Russia?
    As for me - so they are driving her hard into another round of terrible showdowns and instability.
    And on the streets - a poorly managed mass of a different mentality. Hungry, embittered, warmed up.
    .
    And here we are poured balm on the soul, lips smeared with honey - Wait, guys, right now the USA will fall apart. We’ll heal, everything is turning to us.
    .
    Shame !!!!
    ..
    We - fall apart - first. With such a government. "
    .
    And today this stuff.
    Though hang yourself, honestly.
    Well, what can we do, huh?
  • ed65b
    ed65b 28 June 2013 13: 02 New
    +2
    Quote: dmb
    Now she has chosen the category of crooks, well, apparently as the most kindred to her in spirit. Tomorrow there may be an amnesty exclusively for members of the EP or ONF, then we will amnesty exclusively for members of the Lake cooperative. There are only serious doubts that those who amnestied, having washed with tears of gratitude, will immediately rush to build a society of social justice.

    Precisely, the amnesty turned into a booth, which only permanent amnesties for mountain goats in the Caucasus cost. and after all, not a single convicted officer or soldier was amnestied.
  • vezunchik
    vezunchik 28 June 2013 14: 38 New
    +8
    United Russia factions in 12 regional parliaments, contrary to the party’s general line, supported the ratification of Article 20 of the UN Convention against Corruption - on the “illegal enrichment” of civil servants. In the State Duma, the United Russia faction has consistently opposed the adoption of this paragraph, despite the demands of the Communist Party. History causes serious concern in the internal affairs directorates of a number of regions: on the eve of the September elections, the Communists are campaigning against United Russia on charges of a fake fight against corruption, Gazeta.Ru sources said. But political scientists and the Kremlin do not see any danger for United Russia. The regional departments of internal politics of the federal subjects that are currently running the election campaign on the eve of a single election day on September 8 are worried that the Communists are successfully using the United Russia’s refusal to ratify the 20- Article I of the UN Convention against Corruption - “Illegal Enrichment.” The United Russia faction in the State Duma has been blocking the ratification of this article at the federal level for many years. However, recently, in 12 constituent entities of the federation, United Russia, at the suggestion of the Communists, voted to introduce the concept of "illegal enrichment." The norm, in particular, has already been approved by the legislative assemblies of St. Petersburg, Tatarstan, the Ulyanovsk region and the Primorsky Territory. In case of ratification of this paragraph, officials will have to report on the origin of multi-million dollar accounts in banks and luxury goods - foreign real estate and expensive foreign cars, under penalty of criminal liability. Member of the Presidium of the General Council of the EP Valery Trapeznikov told Gazeta.ru that he does not agree with the party’s general line “They have a democratic party, so nothing will happen to them. Our party is free, and the General Council has not yet discussed this issue. If it comes to the federal level, we will discuss, of course. It’s not so easy to ratify everything, you need to first see what the consequences may be, "Trapeznikov said." The situation is stalemate: on the one hand, the federal center has not yet changed its position on the fact that article 20 is not worth ratifying, and such a demarche (of regional United Russia. - “Gazeta.Ru”) actually substitutes the federal leadership of the party and faction. On the other hand, United Russia is extremely difficult to answer the question why, if the war on corruption declared by President Vladimir Putin is real, they refuse to accept such stubbornness this clause of the convention to find out where Russian officials got their wealth and real estate, ”says one of the interlocutors of Gazeta.Ru from among regional officials. Previously, the Communist Party has repeatedly sought from the State Duma to ratify article 20 of the anti-corruption convention, but all of it the attempts ended in failure, because the government opposed the document.
    1. Very old
      Very old 28 June 2013 15: 33 New
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      Eugene, in the last sentence of your comment I see the answer. And this is +
  • Very old
    Very old 28 June 2013 15: 28 New
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    So many pluses ... NU we do not like embezzler-rat-rats, we do not like. They rob the army.
  • Bokdan1700
    Bokdan1700 28 June 2013 17: 17 New
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    The trouble is that the created system of power simply does not allow honest people to enter its ranks, they are alien to it. A complete scrapping of this Babylon of lawlessness is necessary. Any other option will not work. Yes, we do not like embezzlers, but we love Putin, an indulgent Russian paradox ...
    1. sergey261180
      sergey261180 28 June 2013 21: 56 New
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      love Putin
      Even those who love Putin, love for Putin will pass through 15 years of Putin’s rule. Well, if it doesn’t go away, immediately to the doctor!
  • Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 28 June 2013 20: 02 New
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    Every time a global decision is made for a country, I try to think who needs it, what it is for. it is clear who needs it. If this is a farmer who has taken away the land to build a cottage village, and hid himself behind bars, I say: freedom to this farmer, and return everything that was taken from him. But all of us, the Russian people, know our judicial system. And I think that some crooks will go free, and peasant farmers will pull the strap on the quiche.
    "Rejoice" people, there is an amnesty for "entrepreneurs"!
  • Ross
    Ross 29 June 2013 01: 54 New
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    Quote: Ruslan67
    Ready to accept bets. - On what day after the amnesty will Vasiliev be released from house arrest? am


    So impunity and arrogance of bureaucrats is born.
  • Slogin
    Slogin 29 June 2013 03: 36 New
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    Well, are you all such pessimists? They will let go of petty crooks, because they also have children and families. The current will be released for those with a first term, repeaters will not be released. In addition, there is an assumption that this is done not just like that, but under vigilant control; Now they will see how the FSIN works and begin reforms, “filter” the staff, it is quite possible that someone will be on the other side of the grid. Let's see, see. Well, at the same time laughing
  • Russ69
    Russ69 29 June 2013 03: 45 New
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    Quote: Slogin
    Well, are you all such pessimists?

    I agree. There will be amnesty, then we'll see who amnesty and how. Moreover, it has a fad about the full repayment of damage. Also, what no profit.
  • Chukchi reader
    Chukchi reader 30 June 2013 18: 43 New
    0
    The article put a minus.
    How not to stop the running bison or the singing Kobzon, so do not stop the writing Volodin ...
    Volodin, you can’t write, don’t write.