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Turkey can order anti-aircraft missile systems from China

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The epic with the purchase of long-range anti-aircraft missile systems by Turkey continues. A few days ago there were messages, partially confirming the previous information, but at the same time capable of turning the whole picture. Defense News, citing a source in the Turkish Defense Purchasing Agency, reported on Ankara’s current plans. According to published information, the Turkish military intend to work with the Chinese defense industry.


Recall the tender for the purchase of new anti-aircraft complexes was announced more than four years ago. Turkey has expressed a desire to acquire 12 complexes worth about four billion US dollars. American companies Lockheed Martin and Raytheon with the Patriot complex, the Russian organization Rosoboronexport with the C-300PMU2 system, the European consortium EuroSam, which presented the SAMP-T SAM, and the Chinese export corporation CPMIEC with the HQ-9 project submitted their applications for participation in it. It is worth noting that the latter is the Chinese version of the Russian C-300В complex. Since the beginning of the tender, all participating organizations have managed to provide all the necessary documentation, and the Turkish military and officials have compared it.

MIM-104 Patriot


C-300PMU2


SAMP-T


CPMIEC HQ-9


One of the first results of the comparison was the negotiations of the Turkish military with Rosoboronexport, which discussed the possibility of deploying the production of Russian weapons in Turkish enterprises. At about the same time, another process of this kind was launched with those negotiations: this time, Ankara tried to negotiate supplies of air defense missile systems with the United States, and under the same conditions. The Turkish side demanded help with organizing the production of Patriot systems on its territory. However, negotiations with Russia and the United States have not yielded any result: there is still no contract for the supply of long-range air defense systems to Turkey. Moreover, in January this year, there were reports that Turkey refused to purchase and will independently create a new anti-aircraft complex.

From the latest posts on this topic it follows that the information about the termination of the tender turned out to be false. According to Defense News, the Turkish military is currently showing great interest in the Chinese HQ-9 complex. According to an unnamed source of the agency, China’s proposal suits Turkey both economically and technically. HQ-9 meets all the requirements, as well as much cheaper than foreign counterparts. It is noted that Chinese-made anti-aircraft complexes may be incompatible with NATO communications and control systems.

The final decision, according to the source of the news agency, will be taken by the country's top leadership - President I. Yilmaz and Prime Minister R.Т. Erdogan. This decision should be announced at the next meeting of the Defense Industry Council. The date of the meeting has not yet been scheduled, it is likely to take place in the coming weeks. Shortly after the official announcement of the results of the tender, negotiations will begin on the specific conditions of the contract.

If the information from the source of the Defense News agency is true, then such tender results may have political consequences. The fact is that earlier, when the Turkish military began to hint at the possible victory of the Russian C-300PMU2 complex, the United States reminded them of the possible incompatibility of the systems. In addition, because of this decision, as previously stated, Turkey may lose information from a radar station located on its territory in Kurerdzhik. Now the Turkish military are receiving information from this station through the NATO operations center in Germany.

The solution to the problem with the compatibility of systems and radar surveillance data could be the purchase of American anti-aircraft missile systems. But the leadership of the United States for several years does not give any comments on the possibility of such a transaction. Because of this, Turkey finds itself in a difficult position. On the one hand, it wants to acquire modern air defense systems, but on the other hand, cooperation with some countries may lead to problems in relations with others. Previously, the opinion was repeatedly expressed that it was precisely such a difficult political situation that forced Ankara to delay the tender and torment the contestants with anticipation.

It is worth noting that the choice of the Chinese or Russian anti-aircraft missile system, despite their high characteristics, will have specific consequences not only of a political, but also of a technical nature. Turkey has been a member of NATO for several decades and its armed forces have been built in accordance with the standards of this organization. For this reason, for the incorporation into the existing air defense system of the C-300PMU2 or HQ-9 complexes, significant modifications of their electronics will be needed. It is unlikely that NATO will agree to transfer the relevant technical documentation to China. Perhaps this particular feature of the procurement of Russian or Chinese air defense systems caused claims from the United States and other states of the North Atlantic Alliance.

As a result, the most common and unremarkable, at first glance, tender for the supply of weapons systems has acquired a strange and unpredictable look. The interests of several countries intertwine around it, each of which seeks to get its own benefit and not lose anything. Therefore, at the moment, while the Turkish leadership has not officially announced the results of the competition, we can expect any development of events. Reports Defense News about the choice of Chinese HQ-9 ADMS, received from an unnamed source, can easily not be confirmed. In addition, we cannot exclude another scenario, in which negotiations with China will nevertheless begin, but will soon be curtailed due to the strong recommendations of Turkey’s allies in NATO. So what is available история with the purchase of anti-aircraft missile systems should soon be continued and it is quite possible that this continuation will be difficult and unexpected.


On the materials of the sites:
http://defensenews.com/
http://lenta.ru/
http://milligazete.com.tr/
http://zaman.com.tr/
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  1. Ivan79
    Ivan79 27 June 2013 08: 38 New
    +3
    The Chinese managed to copy the s-300 ??? belay
    1. xetai9977
      xetai9977 27 June 2013 08: 47 New
      +9
      I doubt very much that the Turks will buy from the Chinese. Firstly, they are incompatible with NATO systems, and secondly, the quality is unlikely to suit them. Most likely, clouds are intentionally gathering to bring down the price of major manufacturers.
      1. sergo0000
        sergo0000 27 June 2013 09: 37 New
        +4
        It all depends on what kind of political course Turkey will follow in future history: either in the SCO (with subsequent high-profile statements about this step), or further it goes uncontrollably into the abyss. hi Erdogan gradually comes to understand that he is just a pawn, in the big Anglo-Saxon chess game without the right of any vote. At the same time as in the SCO, he is a full-fledged geostrategic partner! And what complexes will he acquire, Chinese or Russian? it doesn’t matter. The main thing is not to “pin .. sovskie!” Moreover, no one will sell the latest models to him. Neither China, nor Russia, nor the states! IMHO. hi
        1. Remko
          Remko 27 June 2013 12: 35 New
          +1
          And why did they take Erdogan to the abyss? Compare the indicators of economic growth before and after the arrival of Erdogan and what pace Turkey is developing today, it did not dream of the opposition which throws itself under the wheels of police cars with foam at the mouth.
        2. Sirocco
          Sirocco 27 June 2013 17: 25 New
          0
          Turkey does not have its own opinion, and its own will, they still have not decided what they want. And as a result, the Anglo-Saxons use them insolently and throw them away, after which the Erdogan end companies feel like they have been fucked up and start rushing from side to side like a fallen harlot. Only this behavior of the Ottomans speaks volumes in their politics. They have no respect either for themselves or for their people.
      2. ayyildiz
        ayyildiz 27 June 2013 23: 45 New
        +2
        Turkey is likely to buy technology from the Chinese, and then it will refine it itself, it has developed and is developing a short and medium range! And the radars, 100% will be Turkish hi
        ASELSAN also claims to develop a high-range air defense!
    2. Apologet.Ru
      Apologet.Ru 27 June 2013 13: 37 New
      0
      CPMIEC China Export Corporation with HQ-9 project. It is worth noting that the latter is the Chinese version of the Russian complex C-300В.

      I wonder how this is? It is enough to look only at the photo and it becomes clear that in no way is
      1. vBR
        vBR 30 June 2013 19: 43 New
        0
        This scribbler from a great knowledge beguiled, but the spreading one did not fix it. They did (and apparently did) an analogue of the S-300P, everything was relatively honest, it was for this that they purchased the S-300PMU-2. Surely slightly inferior, but also nothing
    3. Vovka levka
      Vovka levka 27 June 2013 14: 33 New
      +2
      Quote: Ivan79
      The Chinese managed to copy the s-300 ??? belay

      Do you think they are stupid? Do not flatter yourself.
    4. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 27 June 2013 15: 10 New
      +1
      Quote: Ivan79
      The Chinese managed to copy the s-300 ??? belay


      Outwardly very similar to the real one. We assume that the dimensions are taken correctly. Most likely the electronics design is completely Chinese, in the image of ours, but the combat algorithms are 100% Chinese. It’s good if you don’t turn out to be “Chinese” in the worst sense of the word.
      1. Black
        Black 27 June 2013 15: 52 New
        +1
        Quote: Geisenberg
        It’s good if you don’t turn out to be “Chinese” in the worst sense of the word.

        What good is that ??? yes Let it be so!
        1. Geisenberg
          Geisenberg 27 June 2013 21: 00 New
          +1
          Quote: Chen
          Quote: Geisenberg
          It’s good if you don’t turn out to be “Chinese” in the worst sense of the word.

          What good is that ??? yes Let it be so!


          As if it weren’t everyday, to wish people to buy crappy air defense is disgusting.
          1. Misantrop
            Misantrop 27 June 2013 21: 09 New
            0
            Quote: Geisenberg
            As if it weren’t everyday, to wish people to buy crappy air defense is disgusting.

            And these guys about Chinese quality themselves do not know? Or do you think that Chinese is better than Turkish in any way? lol
          2. vBR
            vBR 30 June 2013 19: 48 New
            0
            I agree, this is not done. But also swine (or rather full cretinism) and an attempt to sell the country of NATO and its greyhound mongrel in the region (taking into account Syria, Iran, our bases in Armenia) of the Soviet air defense system
      2. Vovka levka
        Vovka levka 27 June 2013 17: 14 New
        +3
        Quote: Geisenberg

        Outwardly very similar to the real one. We assume that the dimensions are taken correctly. Most likely the electronics design is completely Chinese, in the image of ours, but the combat algorithms are 100% Chinese. It’s good if you don’t turn out to be “Chinese” in the worst sense of the word.

        You were not interested in how many Chinese students study in the best universities in the world in applied specialties? Take an interest.
        1. Geisenberg
          Geisenberg 27 June 2013 20: 59 New
          -3
          Quote: Vovka Levka
          You were not interested in how many Chinese students study in the best universities in the world in applied specialties? Take an interest.


          And what did it give them? 70% are crazy children of wealthy parents ... The remaining 30 will not create an engineering school in a year, and without it you can’t get into normal air defense.
          1. Vovka levka
            Vovka levka 27 June 2013 22: 17 New
            +1
            Quote: Geisenberg

            And what did it give them? 70% are crazy children of wealthy parents ... The remaining 30 will not create an engineering school in a year, and without it you can’t get into normal air defense.

            Your words to God would be in your ears.
            You are very mistaken.
            1. Geisenberg
              Geisenberg 27 June 2013 23: 06 New
              -2
              Quote: Vovka Levka
              Quote: Geisenberg

              And what did it give them? 70% are crazy children of wealthy parents ... The remaining 30 will not create an engineering school in a year, and without it you can’t get into normal air defense.

              Your words to God would be in your ears.
              You are very mistaken.


              Yes what you say. A simple question then, since I'm very mistaken, why is the Chinese HQ-9 copied from the Russian S-300V? Maybe because their best people around the world are learning? Type come and do their own? Continue to make informed statements.
  2. UPStoyan
    UPStoyan 27 June 2013 08: 47 New
    0
    Ecuador has already bought Chinese radars))) For God's sake let them buy. Anyway, in a year or two everything will break.
    1. Tambov we ...
      Tambov we ... 27 June 2013 11: 14 New
      +2
      Ecuador is a small, insignificant country in one of the corners of the world. And it doesn’t matter that there, something, they didn’t work. The main thing is that they did not buy Western technology, but bought ours, albeit not very high quality stripped and produced, BUT ours!
      1. Nu daaaa ...
        Nu daaaa ... 27 June 2013 13: 50 New
        0
        A Argentina ??? Tože "... a small, insignificant country in one corner of the world ..." Vam sledovalo by Kitaju vzjat ochen i ochen serezno, oni skoro ves vas (i ne tolko vas) rõnok sebe sobirajut.
        http://lenta.ru/news/2013/06/26/fc1/
        1. Tambov we ...
          Tambov we ... 27 June 2013 15: 06 New
          +1
          Maybe it's not nice if you look right away. And in the future, like that moth, or locust, spreads the virus, i.e. I made a mistake, our attitudes in the vision of the world, through OUR prism of perception of scientific and technological progress, and, as a result, our Russian vision of the world. And not only balalaika and nested dolls ...
      2. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg 27 June 2013 23: 09 New
        0
        Quote: Tambov we ...
        Ecuador is a small, insignificant country in one of the corners of the world. And it doesn’t matter that there, something, they didn’t work. The main thing is that they did not buy Western technology, but bought ours, albeit not very high quality stripped and produced, BUT ours!


        Today, the air defense did not work, tomorrow Ecuador will not abstain from it - they will devour the first one who has nothing to defend. There, if you remember, the story began with the fact that a neighboring state began to bombard the guerillas camps insolently along the border. Ecuador bought some sort of air defense and it’s kind of finished bombing ... now the radar is dead ...
  3. Roll
    Roll 27 June 2013 08: 54 New
    +2
    wassat And what an excellent Chinese complex, they don’t grab stars from the sky, and as a good fighting horse, it’s also much cheaper. That's the cost in kickbacks with 300 and ng -9. Then the opportunity to push Turkey to NATO and make NATO dance to their tune is worth a lot. In general, we need to draw conclusions, and not rest on our laurels.
  4. arminidi
    arminidi 27 June 2013 10: 30 New
    +3
    A purely diplomatic move ... ???
  5. Tarpon
    Tarpon 27 June 2013 10: 30 New
    +4
    In the fact that the Turks will buy from the Chinese air defense systems I see more pluses than minuses.
    1. omsbon
      omsbon 27 June 2013 11: 26 New
      0
      Quote: Tarpon
      In the fact that the Turks will buy from the Chinese air defense systems I see more pluses than minuses.

      Sergei! Please explain what are the advantages?
      1. Tarpon
        Tarpon 27 June 2013 16: 29 New
        +1
        Pros (IMHO):
        - A departure from NATO standards and the first step towards the SCO;
        - A copy of the S-300 is far from the original (the refusal of radars in Ecuador is evidence of this).
  6. sashka
    sashka 27 June 2013 11: 59 New
    0
    Lessons do not teach not only with us .. Only in Latin America did they abandon the Chinese radars. So the Turks are already here .. And maybe it’s time for us to buy our weapons from the Chinese. They definitely keep within the deadline until 2020
    1. Kars
      Kars 27 June 2013 12: 02 New
      +3
      Quote: Sasha
      Buy your weapons from the Chinese

      The Turks are going to DO it together with the Chinese in their territory and enterprises.
  7. Adilhan_kz
    Adilhan_kz 27 June 2013 12: 05 New
    +3
    Cooperation with China will bring benefits to Turkey, all the more expensive it will not cost.
    1. Misantrop
      Misantrop 27 June 2013 21: 13 New
      -2
      Quote: Adilhan_kz
      Cooperation with China will bring benefits to Turkey, all the more expensive it will not cost.

      That is, all this is nothing more than an inexpensive preparation for the transition to the use of the S-300? First, they will practice in Chinese, and only then will they buy normal, so that there will be less breakdowns at first? laughing
  8. Scandinavian
    Scandinavian 27 June 2013 12: 45 New
    0
    That’s what annoyed me in Chinese politics was its shameless plagiarism of Russian weapons, is there really no reason to think of it. No, you need to copy it on a photocopy machine and make under its own brand Hun lin .....
    1. Nevsky
      Nevsky 27 June 2013 13: 47 New
      +2
      Quote: Scandinavian
      That’s what annoyed me in Chinese politics was its shameless plagiarism of Russian weapons, is there really no reason to think of it. No, you need to copy it on a photocopy machine and make under its own brand Hun lin .....


      And what annoys me the most is that our people are selling everything to China, knowing that it will be copied there and thrown into the market at a dumping price. angry
    2. fartfraer
      fartfraer 27 June 2013 19: 59 New
      +1
      Scandinavian, here at us (in Tomsk) a few years ago we changed the turbine to a thermal power station, it was trophy from some Japanese ship from the time of 2m. I’ll try to find the info.
      the question is, what couldn’t you do yourself, did you set the trophy? The answer is, if it’s cheaper, why not? We spend money on development, on fine-tuning, and then we sell to the Chinese and they quietly make copies without sparing saving. As long as the Russian Federation will be so careless relate to technology, China will stamp copies. why should they raise our economy by ordering 100-200 fighters (for example), if you can buy a couple of pieces and tilt how much you need?
      1. fartfraer
        fartfraer 27 June 2013 20: 08 New
        +1
        http://vestsnab.ru/news/5056.html
        “A new turbine manufactured by the Leningrad Mechanical Plant (Power Machines OJSC) was launched at Tomsk State District Power Station-2. It replaced its legendary predecessor. An English-made turbine that worked for several years on a Japanese cruiser was brought to Tomsk after the war. while the Brombrewery turbine was considered a unique example. During the analysis, it surprised even specialists - all its bearings were made of mahogany. "- if anyone is too lazy to follow the link)
        1. Misantrop
          Misantrop 27 June 2013 21: 17 New
          +1
          Quote: fartfraer
          At that time, the Brombruver turbine was considered a unique example. When parsing, she surprised even the experts - all of her bearings were made of mahogany. "

          Wooden bearings are not uncommon. ALL bearings of the submarine shaft lines located behind the sturdy housing are made of lockout. Perfectly nursing the entire life of the ship. The only requirement is to periodically water while in the dock (so as not to dry out). I suspect that this English turbine has bearings made of the same material and not rubella at all
          1. fartfraer
            fartfraer 28 June 2013 07: 53 New
            0
            Well, I'm not strong in this matter, ATP for Old)
  9. teodorh
    teodorh 27 June 2013 13: 31 New
    +1
    The final decision, according to the source of the news agency, will be made by the country's top leadership - President I. Yilmaz and Prime Minister R.T. Erdogan.

    Since when is Turkish President Yilmaz? Where did Abdullah Gul go?
  10. aleksandr.k
    aleksandr.k 27 June 2013 14: 27 New
    -1
    Well done, let them buy a Chinese Mr.
  11. Dimka off
    Dimka off 27 June 2013 14: 32 New
    0
    yes any number. Weapons to sell to enemies are not appropriate for us, and Chinese consumer goods - as much as you like)
  12. Geisenberg
    Geisenberg 27 June 2013 15: 08 New
    +1
    As a result, the most ordinary and unremarkable, at first glance, tender for the supply of weapons systems acquired a strange and unpredictable form.


    Oh ... Enough of the fog already. Everything here is clear as God's day. The Americans are stupidly preventing the Turks from buying air defense systems that were not manufactured in America. That's it. There are two ways out as usual - to buy a Patriot and not to buy a Patriot. That's the whole unpredictable result. Buy not a Patriot will shoot themselves without the vile help. And from Patriot, the Americans themselves will shoot, under the guise of the Turks. Apparently, no one is going to transfer the technology to them if the Chinese are very generous.
  13. 007jamesbond
    007jamesbond 27 June 2013 18: 42 New
    0
    Everything is very simple, in the Chinese air defense system built-in bluetooth, Wi-Fi, flashlight, the ability to remotely destroy from an iPhone, 4G connection and much more)))))))
  14. DRUG DRUG
    DRUG DRUG 28 June 2013 08: 38 New
    +1
    We must not forget that there is another option for the development of the event - Russia proposed that Turkey create a joint air defense system based on the S-300 with further production in Turkey. This is a very advantageous offer for Turkey, as she will receive military technology, cooperation with Russia, which is a leader in this field, and, finally, Turkey will receive modern air defense systems, which can also be sold later. The only problem with this option is the position of the United States and NATO countries. If Turkey finds the will to turn to face Russia, and its back to the United States, then it will have a good perspective. For Russia, this is also a good option. Turkey will become closer to Russia than to NATO, while military parity will not be violated. In Russia, technology has gone far ahead.
    1. vBR
      vBR 30 June 2013 19: 57 New
      0
      And then Turkey for 300 years of history did not have the will to "turn to face Russia." I’m not saying that it cannot change theoretically - it can. But while there is a very specific political regime, and your option looks just like some kind of naive dreams. Especially against the background of the systematic threats of Syria
  15. xomaNN
    xomaNN 28 June 2013 21: 32 New
    +1
    About the same story was when Ukraine for the past few years has aggressively offered the An-70 transporter. To no avail: ((They preferred the more expensive, with the worst flight performance, several years late, but their own aircraft!
  16. 1c-inform-city
    1c-inform-city 1 July 2013 12: 20 New
    0
    In South America, they have already burned themselves on Chinese radars (everyone is out of order). So let them buy.