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Argentina is negotiating with China on the joint production of fighter JF-17 "Thunder"

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Argentina is negotiating with China on the joint production of fighter JF-17 "Thunder"

Representatives of the Argentine aircraft manufacturer FAdeA (Fabrica Argentina de Aviones) held a series of talks about the possibility of organizing joint production of FC-1 / JF-17 "Tander" aircraft with "Chengdu".


According to Janes Defense Weekly, negotiations on this program are still at an early stage.

According to FAdeA, the main issue is the issue of technology transfer. However, it should be noted that these are the first negotiations that could lead to the joint production of Chinese fighters in Latin America. If successful, the co-produced FC-1 may be designated Pulqui-III.

FAdeA representatives also said that they would negotiate directly with China, not Pakistan, which is China’s main partner in the design and manufacture of FC-1 / JF-17.

According to experts, the two-seater FC-1, shown at the Paris Air Show 2013 air show in Le Bourget, attracted attention, also thanks to the declared ability to control unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs).

FAdeA is already implementing a joint production program with the Chinese AVIC light helicopters CZ-11 "Pampero", which is a modified version of AS-350 "Eurey" company "Eurocopter". The first jointly produced sample is being tested. Mass production is scheduled to begin in 2014. Previously, FAdeA planned to produce CZ-11 for civilian and military customers.

Despite the ongoing negotiations with China, representatives of FAdeA noted that the Argentine government is also considering the possibility of acquiring combat aircraft from the Air Force of a number of countries, which should replace the Mirage-3EA / DA. The main candidate is the "Mirage" F.1M from the Spanish Air Force.

The FC-1 fighter can use a wide range of weapons, including SD-10A (PL-12) air-to-air missiles with 100 km radius and CASIC SM-400AKG high-speed missile designed to hit ships at ranges up to 180-250 km

In case of successful completion of the negotiations, the partnership with China will allow Argentina to implement a program to restore the country's aircraft industry.

In addition to the production of helicopters CZ-11, FAdeA is working on a project for the 6-ton helicopter, upgrading the PTS-IA-63 Pamp-3, developing new unmanned aerial vehicles. In the framework of a joint project of South American states, the company will develop an IA-73 UNASUR-1 TCB.
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  1. Nevsky
    Nevsky 26 June 2013 11: 10 New
    +1
    Hmm .... And why didn’t you like the Su-35 to Argentina, which even in the Western media was the highlight of the program, really because of this:

    According to experts, the two-seater FC-1, shown at the Paris Air Show 2013 air show in Le Bourget, attracted attention, also thanks to the declared ability to control unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs).
    1. svp67
      svp67 26 June 2013 11: 15 New
      +2
      Quote: Nevsky
      Why Argentina Su-35 did not like

      The question of price ... But I think when a cheaper Chinese counterpart appears on the world stage, then the question will be somewhat differently decided.
      1. Sashkessss
        Sashkessss 26 June 2013 12: 02 New
        +2
        The question is different, most likely. The SU-35 is large, heavy, and carries a lot of weapons. And the Argentines need such "kids", small and nimble. Therefore, we can say that our plane simply does not suit them.
        1. Nevsky
          Nevsky 26 June 2013 14: 09 New
          0
          Sashkessss
          Mig-35 ???
        2. piotr534
          piotr534 26 June 2013 15: 48 New
          0
          The question is different, most likely. The SU-35 is large, heavy, and carries a lot of weapons. And the Argentines need such "kids", small and nimble. Therefore, we can say that our plane simply does not suit them.
          The issue is price and technology transfer, they want to develop their own.
        3. Retx
          Retx 26 June 2013 18: 04 New
          0
          Question in Foggy Albion. They are still thinking about Argentinean revenge, and the new Su (not necessarily 35, will go 30) or MiGs (29M2 or even 35) will cause boom in the British Parliament. And the Argentines will ask for more credit.
        4. allosaurus
          allosaurus 26 June 2013 18: 04 New
          0
          nonsense, Argentina is not Ecuador, the territory is huge and planes are needed with a serious combat radius. The reason is commonplace, they don’t have dough for decent equipment, and the Chinese device can afford it. An aeroplan for the poor.
      2. Interface
        Interface 26 June 2013 13: 05 New
        +1
        when a cheaper Chinese counterpart appears on the world stage, then the issue will be somewhat differently decided.


        I can not agree. Today, weapons trade is built on the principle of purchasing BM along with the technology package that is invested in it.
        Therefore, the issue of price in new high-tech wars will gradually lose relevance, not even very rich countries will be ready to purchase at least 10, but the latest aircraft.

        Based on the above, we can say that the Chinese FC-1/17 with its "price", but exactly like the others, is just a pussylaughing , compared with our Su-35С.
        1. Semen Semyonitch
          Semen Semyonitch 26 June 2013 15: 49 New
          +1
          Quote: Interface
          when a cheaper Chinese counterpart appears on the world stage, then the issue will be somewhat differently decided.


          I can not agree. Today, weapons trade is built on the principle of purchasing BM along with the technology package that is invested in it.
          Therefore, the issue of price in new high-tech wars will gradually lose relevance, not even very rich countries will be ready to purchase at least 10, but the latest aircraft.

          Based on the above, we can say that the Chinese FC-1/17 with its "price", but exactly like the others, is just a pussylaughing , compared with our Su-35С.

          100 little "pussies" will win one big ...
          1. Windbreak
            Windbreak 26 June 2013 17: 15 New
            0
            Quote: Semyon Semyonich
            100 little "pussies" will win one big ...
            Only one big one costs like 4 small ones
      3. Jurkovs
        Jurkovs 26 June 2013 13: 41 New
        +1
        Miser pays twice.
    2. uhu189
      uhu189 26 June 2013 11: 30 New
      +2
      No, I think everything is much more commonplace - a Chinese plane is much cheaper. Su-35 will be bought by those countries that are highly likely to have military conflicts. But Argentina has such a low probability - the Falkland War is already in the distant past ...
      1. Vadivak
        Vadivak 26 June 2013 11: 42 New
        +6
        Quote: uhu189
        No, I think everything is much more commonplace - a Chinese plane is much cheaper. Su-35


        Ahead of the cheapness as Ecuadorians, all Chinese-made air defense radars have recently refused them.
    3. Suhov
      Suhov 26 June 2013 11: 41 New
      0
      Quote: Nevsky
      Hmm .... Why didn’t you like the Su-35 to Argentina, which even in the Western media was the highlight of the program

      Quote: svp67
      Price question ...

      Alas, expensive things are better than cheap!
    4. avt
      avt 26 June 2013 11: 42 New
      +2
      Quote: Nevsky
      Hmm .... And why didn’t you like the Su-35 to Argentina, which even in the Western media was the highlight of the program, really because of this:

      No, it’s exactly for the same reason that they instead of buying normal tanks bought a German BMP with a 105mm tank gun, and now they’re upgrading cranks. Although their counterparts bought Chileans, they’ve used Leopards 2e. Just greedy clowns to see before the kickbacks. Although the pilots are brave, in the Falklands they showed themselves in the Amer junk.
      1. Black Colonel
        Black Colonel 26 June 2013 11: 54 New
        +2
        And in my opinion, the Argentines in the Falkland War on Mirages fought
        1. uhu189
          uhu189 26 June 2013 12: 22 New
          +3
          And on mirages (fighters), and skyhawks (bombers / attack aircraft), and superendar (missile carriers), Neptune (scouts) and even on farts (light attack aircraft). All that they had - on that and flew to fight. If they had more Exocet missiles for the Superetendars, it is still unknown how the war would end ...
        2. Uncle Serozha
          Uncle Serozha 26 June 2013 12: 23 New
          +3
          Quote: Black Colonel
          And in my opinion, the Argentines in the Falkland War on Mirages fought

          On Mirages and Super Ethandars. JF-17 is a purely export product that the Chinese themselves do not use in their Air Force. In simple terms, a light fighter that should fill the niche previously occupied by the MiG-21. For Pakistan, Argentina and a number of African countries, this is exactly what is needed.
          Well, our collapse of the era of the 90s did not allow us to create a light export-oriented fighter and now we are losing potential buyers of such a machine. Let's hope this is temporary ...
          1. Jurkovs
            Jurkovs 26 June 2013 13: 45 New
            +2
            Quote: Uncle Seryozha
            For Pakistan, Argentina and a number of African countries, this is exactly what is needed.

            And how are they going to butt with England for the Falklands? Miser pays twice.
            1. Thunderbolt
              Thunderbolt 26 June 2013 13: 48 New
              0
              At a price the Chinese took, again a license ..
              Quote: Jurkovs
              Miser pays twice.
              If you bought "efki" you would have paid three and four times.
        3. avt
          avt 26 June 2013 20: 03 New
          +1
          Quote: Black Colonel
          And in my opinion, the Argentines in the Falkland War on Mirages fought

          There was this in the Israeli version, but the Angles shot them down at a time, and there was no success in response, the Argentines performed much steeper on the French super standards with 5 or 3, I don’t remember from memory, the Exosets and Amer’s Skyhawks with unexploded Amer’s bombs, the latter lost also were like kamikaze, but they really got blood on the angles.
      2. Avenger711
        Avenger711 27 June 2013 01: 25 New
        -1
        There is one problem. Chileans need to drag tanks across the Andes. In this regard, TAM is pretty good stuff.
    5. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 26 June 2013 17: 53 New
      0
      Quote: Nevsky
      Hmm .... And why didn’t you like the Su-35 to Argentina, which even in the Western media was the highlight of the program, really because of this:


      They cannot afford the SU-35, so far there is no such money in Argentina to buy this technology.
    6. Avenger711
      Avenger711 26 June 2013 18: 07 New
      -1
      Su-35 is not for rogues. It’s 4 times more expensive.
  2. svp67
    svp67 26 June 2013 11: 10 New
    +5
    FC-1 / JF-17, but it all started with MiG21 ... And how it was transformed. But can this aircraft, if not strengthen, then at least not reduce the defense capability of Argentina? The history of radars in Peru showed that everything can be on the back ...
    1. Tatar
      Tatar 26 June 2013 11: 34 New
      0
      in the union there were also mig-21 modernization projects, one of them is the installation of an air intake under the fuselage of the F-16 type, I think it would be a good airplane if it were to be retrofitted with electronic equipment. and much cheaper than current twigs.
      1. tungus
        tungus 26 June 2013 11: 47 New
        +3
        In general, MIG-21 is good because it is cheap and could be produced in thousands. In 67, the modernization of the MIG was called E-8.
        1. Black Colonel
          Black Colonel 26 June 2013 11: 56 New
          0
          Ineresny device, I did not know about this.
  3. Vtel
    Vtel 26 June 2013 11: 15 New
    +1
    Yes, Argentina needs to take into account the consequences of the Falkland War, and not to stock up on the Yankees and Saxons, it is better to China.
    1. svp67
      svp67 26 June 2013 11: 23 New
      -1
      Quote: Vtel
      Yes, Argentina needs to take into account the consequences of the Falkland War, and not to stock up on the Yankees and Saxons, it is better to China.
      Or maybe our Yak130, also a very light aircraft with great capabilities ...
      1. Avenger711
        Avenger711 27 June 2013 01: 27 New
        -1
        Close to zero due to the lack of even the minimum necessary equipment.
    2. uhu189
      uhu189 26 June 2013 11: 32 New
      +2
      Well, however, these almost kamikaze sank 2 British frigates and damaged several more, moreover with ordinary bombs
      1. a
        a 26 June 2013 20: 29 New
        +1
        Quote: uhu189
        Well, however, these almost kamikaze sank 2 British frigates and damaged several more, moreover with ordinary bombs


        Drowned frigates Argentinean SuperExpanders with rockets Exet
    3. Suhov
      Suhov 26 June 2013 11: 37 New
      0
      Quote: Vtel
      Yes, Argentina needs to take into account the consequences of the Falkland War, and not to stock up on the Yankees and Saxons

      Right:
      Although incredulity and a double-edged sword,
      but you won’t get a single end along the ridge.
  4. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 26 June 2013 11: 39 New
    +1
    Interaction with drones is promising.
    1. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 27 June 2013 01: 29 New
      +1
      And the Chinese also offer for export J-10 at a price 2 times less than f-16. According to the number of fighters sold (2012-2015), the Chinese are the first. However, the total cost of contracts is lower than that of other manufacturers: Lockheed Martin (9,13 billion dollars), Eurofighter consortium (5,91 billion dollars). ), Sukhoi ($ 5,45 billion), Boeing ($ 5,18 billion), MiG ($ 2,76 billion), SAAB ($ 2,44 billion). And only then comes the profit Chengdu (China) ($ 2,1 billion).
  5. Apollo
    Apollo 26 June 2013 11: 47 New
    +2
    quote FAdeA Representatives also said they would negotiate directly with China, not Pakistan, which is China's main partner in the design and manufacture of FC-1 / JF-17.





    and finally the new FC-1 / JF-17 concept

  6. sashka
    sashka 26 June 2013 12: 07 New
    -1
    I did not specifically look at the comments, so that my opinion would not change. They change, the technologies we supply them change the BALANCE. STUPIDITY UNLIMITED. Like a chicken with a worm, running around and yelling about it to the whole world .. It's not stupid .. And I even began to believe the "president" ... They know everything .. We must look for "moles" in the ministry ..
  7. DimYang
    DimYang 26 June 2013 12: 36 New
    +1
    Stolen technology, just a cheap fighter, the main question is - how many can rivet? Well, another question is, will locusts be able to push Russia out of traditional sales markets for aircraft? Yes, it's a pity there is no cheap replacement for the 21 MiG in Russia.
  8. spirit
    spirit 26 June 2013 12: 39 New
    0
    Take it! Take it! Ecuador will still give you their Radars to the floor prices laughing
  9. sashka
    sashka 26 June 2013 13: 08 New
    0
    Unfortunately, in this Virtual Prosperity I can’t fill you with a birth ...
  10. B_KypTke
    B_KypTke 26 June 2013 13: 54 New
    +4
    That is, we sell them engines for paper, which they don’t know what to do, and they stamp the clones of our fighters, add the ability to control the cord model there and sell it with high added value. They do not have their distinct engines, as far as I know.
    The yellow-bellies settled well ... "No;%? *. angry
  11. KazaK Bo
    KazaK Bo 26 June 2013 15: 39 New
    0
    If there are patent specialists on the site, help me figure it out ... For example ... Country "K" bought an airplane from us ... copied it ... sells at dumping prices, since there are almost no R&D costs (which is 50-70 % of the cost) ...
    We are, respectively, in the negative due to the loss of the market. In response, we bought our repeat from the country "K" ... we disassembled them, collected a commission and fixed that most of the development of units of this product is on our patent ... Immediately a claim - either pay or an international court ... Is it possible this is?
    1. KOMPLEKT
      KOMPLEKT 26 June 2013 19: 10 New
      0
      When country "K", something was sold, then one structure that has the exclusive right to sell Russian armaments abroad receives a certain percentage from this, let's say 6%, and country "K" was sold for, say, 10 billion evergreens, respectively, the structure in which they sit lawyers, military experts, etc. etc. who draw up sales contracts and work on mechanisms for protecting intellectual property received from this 600 million evergreens
      You still have claims to the country "K" or all the same already to the persons who receive 600 million. $ for the fact that no one copies or resells anything?
  12. Minsk
    Minsk 26 June 2013 15: 43 New
    +1
    Hello! smile The Russian air base in Belarus will be located in the city of Lida near the border with Poland and Lithuania. It will start functioning already in 2013, Lieutenant General Viktor Bondarev, Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Air Force, told reporters today.

    He noted that for the first time Russia is creating its own air base in Belarus. According to him, the creation of an air base is provided for by an intergovernmental agreement on strengthening the military component of the Union State. “As a member of the Union State, Russia is obliged to form and have its own air base there,” he explained.

    "The airbase will become an important element of the first strategic echelon of defense of the Union State, providing cover for the airspace of Belarus," the general added.

    When asked whether the airbase would be purely Russian or Russian-Belarusian, V. Bondarev said: "First it will be Russian, and then we'll see." He added that the Belarusian side will equip the base, and the Russian Federation will help it.

    According to him, there will be no need to build any new facilities at the Lida airfield to ensure the functioning of the Russian air base. "Our commandant's office will work there, but nothing needs to be built there, everything is there," he said.

    According to V. Bondarev, modified Su-27SM3 fighters will be placed at the base. Later, the possibility of strengthening the air grouping by other Russian combat aircraft will be considered, the head of the Russian Air Force added.
    Read more: http://news.tut.by/politics/354841.html
  13. alex67
    alex67 26 June 2013 15: 46 New
    0
    IF MUCH PREVIOUSLY IS A SIGN
    MAID IN CHINA laughing
    1. Manager
      Manager 26 June 2013 17: 44 New
      +1
      Quote: alex67
      IF MUCH PREVIOUSLY IS A SIGN
      MAID IN CHINA

      He will see how f 22 behaves.
  14. sergey158-29
    sergey158-29 27 June 2013 00: 39 New
    +1
    I wonder if the engines in the JF-17 are Chinese or Russian?
    1. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 27 June 2013 00: 54 New
      +1
      Klimov’s engines (RD-93), but I don’t know for sure, our Argentine ones will also stand or not, because you can find a replacement for them.