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Shoigu: Russia from 2014 will supply weapons to Kyrgyzstan

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Russia from next year will begin to supply weapon and the military equipment of the Kyrgyz Armed Forces, Russian Defense Minister General of the Army Sergei Shoigu said on Tuesday during a meeting with Kyrgyz President Almazbek Atambayev.


“On your instructions and on behalf of the President of our country, we are considering a program to support the equipping of the Armed Forces of the Kyrgyz Republic, and we have almost everything ready. I think we will finish the final formalities in the near future. Inside our country, at our bilateral level, we have already completed everything and from 2014 onwards we will begin deliveries of weapons and military equipment, "Shoigu said, RIA"News».

The Russian minister also conveyed to Atambayev best wishes from Russian President Vladimir Putin. He clarified that shortly before the trip to Kyrgyzstan, he met with the head of state and discussed issues that will be raised by the participants of the meeting of defense ministers of the SCO member countries (will be held on Wednesday).

“Many questions were discussed with Vladimir Vladimirovich, I brought answers to many questions. I think I can, if not all of the questions, then most of it, especially regarding our military cooperation, be answered, ”the head of the RF Ministry of Defense noted.

What exactly Russia will supply to this Central Asian republic is not specified, but in November 2012, the Kommersant newspaper wrote that Moscow promised Bishkek to give 1 billion 100 million dollars to re-equip the army. According to the publication, it was not about the loan, but about military support.

On Monday, Russian President Vladimir Putin said that since the beginning of 2013, Russia has increased its arms exports by 15% compared to the same period of 2012.

Prior to this, the head of the state corporation Rostec, Sergey Chemezov, said that since the beginning of the year Russia had exported weapons worth 6 billion 500 million dollars over the border. On the whole, Rosoboronexport’s defense orders portfolio at the beginning of May 2013 amounted to more than 38 billion dollars.
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  1. experienced
    experienced 26 June 2013 10: 21 New
    12
    Their Army and Navy are already provided with modern equipment, soldiers and officers do not know what salaries are spent on, they give too much money, military pensioners are scattered around the world resorts and get high. Russia's budget groans from oversupply am
    I immediately remembered: "Kyrgyzstan for the Kyrgyz!"
    1. Manager
      Manager 26 June 2013 11: 56 New
      +2
      Quote: seasoned
      Their Army and Navy are already provided with modern equipment, soldiers and officers do not know what salaries are spent on, they give too much money, military pensioners are scattered around the world resorts and get high. Russia's budget groans from oversupply

      yes good yes good hi
  2. tomas.09
    tomas.09 26 June 2013 10: 23 New
    -1
    Again, the natives for the "beads" buy !!!
    1. INTER
      INTER 26 June 2013 18: 47 New
      0
      Quote: tomas.09
      Aborigines for "beads" buy !!!

      Dear however beads. We need to equip our army, but if this is a political move against the ambitions of China and SUSHKA, then you can think about it. Good move. yes
  3. UPStoyan
    UPStoyan 26 June 2013 10: 24 New
    +3
    The main thing is that Kyrgyzstan does not forget to thank Russia for this. But seriously, they still will not have an army. The main thing is people, and in Central Asia a trader is much more valued than a military man.
    1. INTER
      INTER 26 June 2013 18: 49 New
      +1
      Quote: UPStoyan
      But seriously, they still will not have an army

      Rather, our army will be there, and the screen is the Kyrgyz army. And rightly so, we need a military presence throughout the CIS, but if we can, then beyond.
  4. ale-x
    ale-x 26 June 2013 10: 27 New
    +4
    .... Well, how much can you give money and resources? To whom? Yes, they will plunder all the fuck, and in the case of a serious booze, all this equipment and weapons against our own soldiers and officers will work ... I fully agree with the experienced ..
  5. Dmitry 2246
    Dmitry 2246 26 June 2013 10: 31 New
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    Defenseless Kyrgyzstan is a potential "blow under the breath" of Russia.
    We close the “defense gap” with the help of the Kyrgyz. This was clear a few years ago.
    Do not expose flanks.
    1. experienced
      experienced 26 June 2013 10: 36 New
      +1
      Quote: Dmitry 2246
      Defenseless Kyrgyzstan is a potential "blow under the breath" of Russia.
      We close the “defense gap” with the help of the Kyrgyz. This was clear a few years ago.
      Do not expose flanks.

      What flanks did you intend to strengthen by the Kyrgyz? There you can’t turn their backs on them, they’ll just poke them with a “knife”, and we’re arming them ... For this billion dollars we could arrange a full border and introduce a visa regime, that would be a strengthening and a blow to drug trafficking, and the "thrown out" money and an additional reason for Rosoboronexport to report on an increase in arms exports, and the fact that Russia does not increase money from such export increases, but simply "shit it" from one pocket to another, doesn’t give a damn to everyone.
      1. Dmitry 2246
        Dmitry 2246 26 June 2013 11: 26 New
        +4
        Have you gone to the mountains for a long time?
        Wanted to chase after the basmachi?
        Nostalgia for Afghanistan?
        Where do accountants come from?
        Is this our sphere of influence or not?
        1. experienced
          experienced 26 June 2013 11: 33 New
          +2
          Quote: Dmitry 2246
          Wanted to chase after the basmachi?

          Better to drive the basmachi than to arm them and then to drive the armed basmachi winked
          Quote: Dmitry 2246
          Nostalgia for Afghanistan?

          It began, and you think the arming of the Kyrgyz, that something will change? It is necessary to close the borders and pursue a correct migration policy, while in our country the borders are open for everyone and we can’t get any rest from guest workers. More than sure, some of the weapons will be broken, some will be sold and it is possible that they will then ask for money for maintenance and modernization

          Quote: Dmitry 2246
          Is this our sphere of influence or not?

          This sphere is too expensive for us now and there is a very high probability that tomorrow another uncle will outbid this sphere and our money will be burned up, and the arms will turn in our direction recourse
          1. Dmitry 2246
            Dmitry 2246 26 June 2013 12: 02 New
            +1
            Quote: seasoned
            This sphere is too expensive for us now and there is a very high probability that tomorrow another uncle will outbid this sphere and our money will be burned up, and the arms will turn in our direction

            When they begin to deliver weapons, “others” will cost more at times. But the border does not equip - this is utopia.
            1. experienced
              experienced 26 June 2013 12: 06 New
              -6
              Quote: Dmitry 2246
              But the border does not equip this utopia.

              For more than 1 billion dollars? It is possible to equip and track with the help of UAVs and stationary technical means, and if the visa regime was introduced, it would be possible to "clean" the streets of Russian cities hi
              1. Hleb
                Hleb 26 June 2013 14: 07 New
                +2
                and loyalty of Kyrgyzstan than to equip and track? do you think this money in the literal sense, everything goes into service
                subject to the introduction of a visa regime, one could greatly “clean” the streets of Russian cities
                a lot of money, expensive? and we have a choice? Americans will not bargain. we already saw how this approach to the neighbors ended. in the end, they “cleaned” the streets in Tskhinval.
                Americans go to the post-Soviet countries to "clean". Our streets are cleaned
                1. experienced
                  experienced 26 June 2013 14: 42 New
                  0
                  Quote: Gleb
                  a lot of money, expensive? and we have a choice? Americans will not bargain. we already saw how this approach to neighbors ended

                  There is not the United States, but China is actively pillaging the territory, and Russia will not cope with China in terms of monetary influences. China is buying up all resource-mining companies, is actively climbing into the energy sector, is building a railway, and the Chinese are building oil refineries near Bishkek ...
                  Chinese expansion does not bypass the sphere of education and culture. In late October 2012, Kyrgyzstan ratified an agreement with the PRC on the construction of the first comprehensive school in Bishkek with in-depth study of the Chinese language. The money will be allocated by the Chinese side. At the stage of preliminary discussion is the question of opening a Chinese university.

                  We are now throwing money away hi The border will still have to be restored, so isn’t it better to do it on time, and not as always with a delay?
                  The Kirghiz thought that they were the smartest and could “milk” China, following the example of Russia, now they are beginning to understand that their “Faberge” are clearly already squeezed in the Chinese “grip” from here and screaming about brotherhood and alliance.
  6. Warrawar
    Warrawar 26 June 2013 10: 31 New
    +2
    Yeah ... the continuation of the old, good Soviet traditions - to distribute weapons for nothing, under unspoken obligations that would be violated or not fulfilled at the first opportunity.
  7. rodz
    rodz 26 June 2013 10: 33 New
    +3
    And why, in fact, we should talk about the supply of precisely modern weapons. As far as I know, we have quite a lot of different types of weapons on conservation, which, incidentally, also require expenses. So maybe it is more profitable to give part of it to Kyrgyzstan, and even arrange it in the form of a loan? winked
  8. itkul
    itkul 26 June 2013 10: 42 New
    +4
    Damn, why our state does not give such cheap loans to its citizens. And to all Cyprus and Kyrgyzstan, please
    1. sergey261180
      sergey261180 26 June 2013 20: 36 New
      0
      "Our Rush." And where did you get the idea that she is yours?
  9. Anti
    Anti 26 June 2013 10: 56 New
    +4
    From 2014 Russia will supply weapons to Kyrgyzstan

    Absolutely the right decision, I would hope that it is timely. The US withdrawal of its troops and Afghanistan, dictates to Russia, the need to support the Central Asian republics and equip them with weapons. One must be prepared for local conflicts in a southerly direction.
    1. experienced
      experienced 26 June 2013 11: 15 New
      -2
      Quote: Anti
      Absolutely the right decision, I would hope that it is timely.

      A forum member living and working in Germany said. I, too, am not opposed to Germany giving away her Leopards for a billion dollars, for example, Holland, to guard greenhouses. winked
      1. Anti
        Anti 26 June 2013 11: 40 New
        +1
        Quote: seasoned
        A forum member living and working in Germany said.

        Do you think a person who lives and works in Germany, whose roots in Russia does not have the right to do this? Holland greenhouses, something threatens?
        1. experienced
          experienced 26 June 2013 11: 46 New
          +3
          Quote: Anti
          Do you think a person who lives and works in Germany, whose roots in Russia does not have the right to do this?

          A person who works at a factory in Germany and pays taxes to the German budget can discuss what his taxes are spent on ... In my opinion, he has no moral right to approve or resent what taxes are spent on citizens of other countries hi
          You make bearings, dual-use products, which are also used in military equipment, which is in service with the Bundeswehr. You can even shout about your patriotism and the origins of the roots, but for me there are facts, and everything else shouts and slogans stop
          1. Anti
            Anti 26 June 2013 12: 05 New
            +5
            facts are stubborn things if you have them. then you certainly will not argue.
            I wish you success hi
    2. Manager
      Manager 26 June 2013 11: 59 New
      +2
      Quote: Anti
      Absolutely the right decision, I would hope that it is timely.

      Oh, how is it in Russian! Give the last shirt and a piece of bread to a neighbor while his family is starving and freezing! Probably a lot of will is needed for such a decision! crying
    3. KG_patriot_last
      KG_patriot_last 26 June 2013 12: 28 New
      +4
      We are the true southern frontier on the path of the caliphate.
      1. Manager
        Manager 26 June 2013 13: 21 New
        0
        Quote: KG_patriot_last
        We are the true southern frontier on the path of the caliphate.

        You yourself then defeated the Caliphate?
        1. KG_patriot_last
          KG_patriot_last 26 June 2013 13: 31 New
          +1
          Do you blame the caliphate in the Kyrgyz Republic? And who is our caliph sitting all his life?

          We ourselves cannot defeat extremism, Russia itself has suffered from this for decades, so it knows that we need the help of a stronger geopolitical player. I hope Putin will be able to explain to the Russians why this is necessary. Otherwise, we will certainly be the eastern vassal of Arabia, crushing China through Uyghuria and Russia through Kazakhstan - then you will have to fight the caliphate here. So do not generalize and write nonsense.
          1. Manager
            Manager 26 June 2013 14: 04 New
            -2
            Quote: KG_patriot_last
            So do not generalize and write nonsense.

            I’ll take a look, any comment against “your coat” immediately goes into the category - “Bullshit”.
            Quote: KG_patriot_last
            I hope Putin will be able to explain to the Russians why this is necessary.

            Why should we explain something? Anyone who needs it knows everything. The rest either have no business or agree on everything. And Putin will not explain his decisions. Not in his rules.

            Quote: KG_patriot_last
            then you’ll have to fight the caliphate here. So do not generalize and write nonsense.


            A pathetic semblance of blackmail with the subtext "Help."

            Understand the people of Russia, as it were, to say softer “For” unification, etc. But to give free financial and military assistance .... I certainly do not seem to mind, but we ourselves have so many holes that need to be patched. Although I understand that only we can manage together. But it wouldn’t work out as before. We give you education, factories and the army, and you hell to us. And as the smell of fried, so immediately independence, and sell everything that they gave you. That's insulting ......
            1. KG_patriot_last
              KG_patriot_last 26 June 2013 14: 12 New
              0
              I explained the free personal position towards the Russian Federation. Putin outlined his personal position towards the Kyrgyz Republic. If you do not like the fact that Russia will return to the Kyrgyz Republic, then this is your problem with the United States.

              I repeat once again that Central Asia voted in full for the preservation of the USSR, in percentage terms this is more than Russia itself and much more Slavic neighbors.

              So please do not insult our nation, country and do not speculate. We did not choose capitalism.
        2. experienced
          experienced 26 June 2013 14: 02 New
          +3
          Quote: Manager
          You yourself then defeated the Caliphate?

          Who is there to win. Look under the heading "Politics" an article about silent migrant workers from Kyrgyzstan. The largest percentage of the countries is 20% of migrant workers and $ 1 billion annually sent by them from Russia. Who is left in Kyrgyzstan? Children and old people? Who is there to arm?
          They surrender all their positions to China, they even convinced them that the railway will be narrow-gauge, and where the buy-out goes, China pays for the construction of the road, which means that it assigns its parameters.
          1. Manager
            Manager 26 June 2013 14: 08 New
            +1
            Quote: seasoned
            Who is there to win

            And most importantly they do not seem to need it .....
  10. ale-x
    ale-x 26 June 2013 11: 08 New
    0
    "The giraffe is longer - he knows better"
    Wait and see. I do not feel sorry for these millions and billions, I just do not believe these princes in their republics.
  11. karimbaev
    karimbaev 26 June 2013 11: 09 New
    +1
    there are not so many soldiers and officers in Kyrgyzstan to arm them all for that amount. Your minister does not know the exact information. most weapons the Kyrgyz themselves sell and are new in oil. it's not a matter. Will they be able to save?
    1. KG_patriot_last
      KG_patriot_last 26 June 2013 12: 13 New
      +2
      You live the memories of the 90's ... I admit it was the case, in the 90's we sold weapons, military equipment. It was a tough time. Sold like Ukraine, Russia, Tajikistan and so on ...

      But I will explain the local cuisine:

      But this was done by Minister of Defense Kulov Felix. Which was convicted by Akayev Askar and went to prison. And which was released from prison by Bakiev Kurmanbek. Remember the last name then? So this traitor Felix Kulov was supported by the entire Russian-speaking population of the Kyrgyz Republic, unfortunately. Because he did not know Kyrgyz and spoke only Russian. And this Kulov, while Russia was fighting in Chechnya, fraternized with local Chechen clans and their leader, Aziz Batukaev, a Chechen criminal authority (as you know, Stalin deported Chechens to the Kyrgyz Republic and Kazakhstan) and provided asylum to militants, Kyrgyz passports for those who flew between Afghanistan and the Russian Federation ...
      Here is such stuffing. Hence the cooling of relations between the Russian Federation and the Kyrgyz Republic. Your diplomats and intelligence did not know the local cuisine and passed nonsense about nationalism to the Kremlin, not seeing beyond your nose.

      So, Akayev was our first president and the Americans threw him off to put his Bakiyev (through an agent Freedom House, who financed all the media in the Kyrgyz Republic), and then the Kyrgyz threw him off after losing and put Otumbayev temporarily first, and then chose Atambayev. And all this despite the fact that the central channels of Russia are pouring onto our heads and there is little chance of a civil war in the South and the North, war with Uzbekistan and pressure from the Russian Federation and the USA ... We survived in difficult times and remained a single peaceful country and want to be friends with the Russian Federation and receive military assistance.

      For this, Russia will receive the country's largest hydroelectric power stations (respectively control over the rivers), which will allow holding Uzbekistan and partly Kazakhstan for eggs (this is what Kazakhstan needs to think about =))
      1. Kasym
        Kasym 26 June 2013 15: 04 New
        +5
        KG patriot last. "That's what Kazakhstani needs to think about." I think this is said too much. Recently, in Astana, Atanbaev thanked Kazakhstan for its constant economic assistance in the form of energy and grain, the transit of goods at domestic prices in Kazakhstan, and financial assistance. Nazarbayev in response: "How can Kazakhstan still help the fraternal people of Kyrgyzstan?" So, who is holding the balls for someone? The question is of course interesting. wink
        And at the expense of water, Kazakhstan has already repeatedly pointed out its point: "It is necessary to assemble an independent, international, expert council - they say that the construction of a hydroelectric power station will not damage the gutter; then please."
        Sincerely. hi
        1. KG_patriot_last
          KG_patriot_last 26 June 2013 15: 14 New
          +1
          Of course I was joking =)

          1) KR is now building the Datka line, which will strengthen our relationship even more. The Kyrgyz Republic is aware of how the southern regions of Kazakhstan are suffering due to a single energy ring, ultimately for us. But this is a necessary measure.

          2) And we know that in the issue of hydroelectric power station we are on the same side.

          Sincerely.
          1. Kasym
            Kasym 26 June 2013 15: 33 New
            +3
            KG patriot last. So I wanted to ask you: "What is your opinion about the recent events in Issyk-Kul (at the gold deposit)? It seems to me that this is clearly a paid up share (by the same Bakiyev), because not a lot of fools are local - for the nose season, and there again riots, no matter how this season fails, by the way, how is it now?
            1. KG_patriot_last
              KG_patriot_last 26 June 2013 15: 52 New
              0
              1) Personally, I believe that this action negatively affected the already rebellious image of the country.
              2) It is unlikely that Bakiyev paid. Issyk-Kul belongs to the northern guild and was the most oppressed and repressed Bakiev region (selling land, killing activists and so on)
              3) I think it’s either a hunger riot or it was beneficial for someone from the authorities (the protesters still made great contributions to the country's treasury)
              4) There were no such disturbances: there was a rally meeting and a short-term road closure.
              5) Issyk-Kul is almost always a safe region, 90-bandit years have passed here, everyone understands the importance of tourism.
          2. experienced
            experienced 26 June 2013 15: 37 New
            +1
            Quote: KG_patriot_last
            KR is building the Datka line now,

            Nothing that China is building, and Kyrgyzstan timidly asks to speed up the construction wink
            Kyrgyzstan asked China to speed up the construction of the 500 kV Datka-Kemin line. This was reported by the press service of the Ministry of Energy of Kyrgyzstan.

            This request was made during the meeting of the Minister of Energy and Industry of Kyrgyzstan Osmonbek Artykbaev with Mr. Chao Yong Gang, Deputy General Director of TBEA, a Chinese construction company.

            At the meeting, the parties also discussed issues of preparation for the events on the occasion of the opening of the 500 kV Datka substation.
            1. KG_patriot_last
              KG_patriot_last 26 June 2013 16: 09 New
              -1
              Disinformation is American ... Why replace concepts?

              That's right: they are building a Chinese company with money allocated by China, but ultimately the Kyrgyz Republic will pay for all this as an owner (do you blame the Kyrgyz Republic for the fact that China has a smart policy for its loan that pushed its contractor? You have strange ideas) .. .

              Russia did not want to quarrel with Uzbekistan and finance the Datka project for us and Kazakhstan, what can we do? 10 years sit without light?

              And if Russia will again be inactive, then China, which has Islamic Uyghurstan and with which we are neighboring, will give weapons again.

              You have some kind of conflict in your head, you need to get China out of here, you need to save money ... Both of these will fail. We can’t sit in the dark with batons in caves and bask in thoughts that we are loved in Russia ...
              1. experienced
                experienced 26 June 2013 16: 16 New
                -1
                Quote: KG_patriot_last
                That's right: they are building a Chinese company with money allocated by China, but ultimately the Kyrgyz Republic will pay for all this, as the owner

                Reread your phrase ... Do you really believe that? Kyrgyzstan what will it pay? Doesn’t it seem to you that the KR and the PRC appear in different weight categories and China will now “twist your hands” so that you won’t be able to pick it up. This is Russia investing in loans and writing them off, look what will happen to China.
                Quote: KG_patriot_last
                Russia did not want to quarrel with Uzbekistan at one time and to finance for us with Kazakhstan the Datka projectwhat can we do?

                Kazakhstan is a rich country, why does everyone think that Russia SHOULD finance their projects? belay
                Quote: KG_patriot_last
                And if Russia will again be inactive, then China, which has Islamic Uyghurstan and with which we are neighboring, will give weapons again.

                Blackmail Uzbeks, and Russian blackmail can “burp” you so that it doesn’t seem enough. And so on a powder keg, sit with your buoys. bully
                1. KG_patriot_last
                  KG_patriot_last 26 June 2013 16: 31 New
                  0
                  you re-read it and be surprised at the clumsiness of your American work ...

                  1) We’ll find what to pay, with this “what” Russia could have acquired if China hadn’t let it go.

                  2) You won’t at least give out allies to your allies, you’ll be your enemies, you’ll give out to your enemies ... (elements that are objectionable to Russia will come to power and this is by no means the Chinese you are afraid of)

                  3) Generalize once again do not say. We also do not love our bais, just like you our oligarchs.
                  And talking to me, you are not talking to the whole of the Kyrgyz Republic as a whole, just like the fact that talking to you, I am not talking to all of Russia.
                  Fortunately, Putin and those who support him understand this.
                  1. experienced
                    experienced 26 June 2013 16: 44 New
                    +1
                    Quote: KG_patriot_last
                    you re-read it and be surprised at the clumsiness of your American work ...

                    Buhag, no arguments, is it time to sculpt labels? laughing
                    Quote: KG_patriot_last
                    We’ll find what to pay, with this “what” Russia could have acquired if China hadn’t let it go.

                    While from you only "forgiveness of loans" has been seen, this will not work for you with China. winked
                    Quote: KG_patriot_last
                    You won’t at least give out loans to your allies, your enemies will be, you will give out to your enemies ... (elements that are objectionable to Russia will come to power and this is by no means the Chinese whom you fear)

                    We are not afraid of them, they don’t owe money, the borders are settled, if they get involved then Russia has something to give them “in the wort”, so ... Your problems are not the problems of Russia, and there is no need to blackmail wink
                    Quote: KG_patriot_last
                    Fortunately, Putin and those who support him understand this.

                    We will see
  12. KG_patriot_last
    KG_patriot_last 26 June 2013 11: 37 New
    +4
    If anyone has questions about the real state of affairs, then ask ... No need to carry different nonsense ... The Kyrgyz Republic is not some kind of New Guinea, if only they would have bothered to know something about their close neighbors ...

    A very well-earned decision. I hope there will be not only direct deliveries of weapons, but also the command to take care of raising the prestige of the military in our country and loyalty to the interests of the CIS. It is necessary to carry out work on the de-arabization of the population and to correct the military doctrine. Not that we still have China as the main adversary, although the KR alone will never solve this problem. Let the Russian Federation deal with China, and we must solve local problems of our level.

    The bet on the Kyrgyz Republic as the southern frontier will be justified.
    1. experienced
      experienced 26 June 2013 11: 57 New
      +1
      Quote: KG_patriot_last
      . Let the Russian Federation deal with China, and we must solve local problems of our level.

      Any other comments needed for the advocates of "strengthening the flanks"? That is the whole point of our neighbors: you fight for us and arm us, and here we are busy with our local conflicts. hi
      But let’s take into account that the Kyrgyz government does not shy away from taking loans from China, forgetting that this is not “forgiving” Russia, and that a country that will sooner or later demand their return will not have money from Kyrgyzstan, they will take it with resources or land. The Russians are invited to fight for the stupidity of the Kyrgyz bais?
      1. Manager
        Manager 26 June 2013 13: 25 New
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        Quote: seasoned
        Any other comments needed for the advocates of "strengthening the flanks"? That is the whole point of our neighbors: you fight for us and arm us, and here we are busy with our local conflicts.


        AND EVERYTHING SHOULD BE TESTED!
        1. Manager
          Manager 26 June 2013 13: 55 New
          +2
          Someone put a minus. Obviously one of those who are against the USSR version 2.0.
      2. Kasym
        Kasym 26 June 2013 15: 21 New
        +6
        Alex, good afternoon! It seems to me that in order not to "fight for the stupidity of the Kyrgyz bais" then, it is better to supply them with a gun. Otherwise, we, according to the obligations of the CSTO, will have to intervene. And so with the bearded men who crossed the river, they themselves will fight back. I remember the last time this happened, we had to urgently throw there mortars, ammunition, etc. etc..
        Sincerely. hi
        1. experienced
          experienced 26 June 2013 15: 24 New
          +2
          Quote: Kasym
          It seems to me that in order not to "fight for the stupidity of the Kyrgyz bais" then, it is better to supply them with a gun. Otherwise, we, according to the obligations of the CSTO, will have to intervene. And so with the bearded men who crossed the river, they themselves will fight back. I remember the last time this happened, we had to urgently throw there mortars, ammunition, etc. etc..

          Maybe you are right, besides, the problem is familiar to you much better in view of the geographical location, but it seems to me like in the Russian proverb: "Not feed the horse." But I do not insist, and even began to incline to the idea that this is so, if only to reduce the amount by several times hi
          1. Kasym
            Kasym 26 June 2013 16: 48 New
            +4
            Alex, believe me, the Kyrgyz are normal warriors. These are nomads. And y like us - a boy, then a warrior. They should be trained and equipped. Yes, in their mountains (90% of the entire territory is mountains up to 7 m., Higher than any European and American mountains with African mountains. There even the Chinese do not dance with their number. In any gorge there is one trained battalion on the dominant heights, stop the army.
            So, the trained Kyrgyz Army is almost ready troops for operations in the mountains, and now these will not interfere with the CSTO.
            And about the amount of help. I don’t think that this weapon will be “new”, but rather from storage depots. And the Kyrgyz need everything literally. From cartridges to tanks. But I don’t think that the destroyers (Kant is there) are more likely, rather several helicopters.
            Generally speaking, in my opinion, instead of assembly plants in Kazakhstan (helicopters there, although this is necessary), I would, first of all, arrange the production of conventional ammunition (ammunition, shells). I'm not talking about precision. Simple cartridges for machine guns, the most popular shells. Y we in the region have none of this - and yet it is like a consumable item, without it in any way. If it smells fried, lugging from Russia may be too late. hi
            1. experienced
              experienced 26 June 2013 16: 55 New
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              Dauren, but I'm not saying that the Kyrgyz are bad warriors and never talked about it. I’m just leading a polemic with a person who positions himself as a patriot of Kyrgyzstan, but all his patriotics is that Kyrgyzstan owes everything, or not ... winked
              It’s funny to read his calls for Russia to arm them and give them loans, otherwise China will come. If the "top" has already been sold to China, then what kind of injections from Russia can stop this? Paying loans to Kyrgyzstan for China? You understand where and to whom part of these loans went and what for Russia to get into it. You can pump Kyrgyzstan with money, but the crumbs will be transferred to the people from this money, and then again the next revolution and the next blackmail from the new buy: either Russia or China? Who will buy me more? Passed and already know hi
              1. KG_patriot_last
                KG_patriot_last 26 June 2013 17: 07 New
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                1) did not say that the Kyrgyz Republic should all, where did this next blatant lie come from? it was about the fact that we need help, and help and duty are probably two different things, or don't you think so?
                2) did not call for anything, but talked about his personal preferences in view of Russia and its presence in our country, if you do not like it then you can only congratulate you as a supporter of Russia's weakening position in the world =) what else to say?

                3) Well, of course, electricity, roads and enterprises will not fall into the hands of people. In your opinion, in the 1917 year in the Kyrgyz Republic and still in the mountains the Basmachians run =) And I write here not in Russian, but in gibberish and I am conducting anti-Russian rhetoric, of course it is necessary to humiliate and insult my country and me in particular =)
                1. experienced
                  experienced 26 June 2013 17: 11 New
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                  Quote: KG_patriot_last
                  I didn’t say that the Kyrgyz Republic should all, where did this next blatant lie come from?

                  Reread your comments lol There are many such hints that Russia should then, did not do this, did not invest in another, and all went to China.
                  Quote: KG_patriot_last
                  if you don’t like it, it remains only to congratulate, as a supporter of the weakening of Russia's position in the world =) what else to say?

                  In Kyrgyzstan, the whole world does not close. Russia is strengthening its position in Europe (Germany), in the Middle East, in Belarus, the base in Lida will soon open ... hi
                  1. KG_patriot_last
                    KG_patriot_last 26 June 2013 17: 24 New
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                    Stop. You confuse an egg or a chicken again.

                    1) In my opinion, you started to be scared by China and blamed for prostitution, but I just answered and explained why so, and not some kind of.

                    2) Well, well done Putin, strengthens his position. Unlike the Yeltsin-Gorbachevs, who left everywhere and let China and NATO in everywhere.
                2. Manager
                  Manager 26 June 2013 17: 59 New
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                  Quote: KG_patriot_last
                  about it remains only to congratulate, as a supporter of the weakening of Russia's position in the world =) what else to say?


                  Well, with delusions of grandeur, you obviously have no problems!
              2. Kasym
                Kasym 26 June 2013 18: 50 New
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                Alexei . For many, judging by the comments, it was believed that in Central Asia (post-Soviet countries), China has a dominant position. This is far from it. I think everyone is looking at the Kremlin. You can prove it.
                1. Migrant workers. China will not stop working, Russia will close the borders for them and unemployment can overthrow the government (and they understand this).
                2. All import-export goes through Kazakhstan and Russia or to our countries. Including railways and roads, pipelines, electric power.
                3.Without military and financial assistance, the situation is any (with the exception of Kazakhstan) from the countries of Avg. Asia is shaky.
                Y Russia is in a strong position and this cannot be lost to it. The supply of arms, the presence of the military in Tajikistan and in Kyrgyzstan only strengthens this situation.
                China Yes, it matters, but rather financial. He credits almost all countries of the world, including Russian companies. Chinese money helped Kazakhstan well at the start of the 2008 crisis.
                In fact, the Kyrgyz Republic is neither a country rich in natural resources. In these mountains there is nothing. They would lack order and stability, as a result. And they could live well, and not look for work on the side. So there are prospects, but we’ll see how the map lies. hi
  13. waisson
    waisson 26 June 2013 12: 02 New
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    chase amers from (Hansi) from Manas and then say, and you as a prostitute both ours and yours are sorry for being rude, but you have to choose either for or against, but Shoiga is not another authority for me if he had passed the army from ordinary to .... then Yes, and so he is a party worker and they are prostitutes today are red and white tomorrow as in the film a wedding in a robin
    1. KG_patriot_last
      KG_patriot_last 26 June 2013 12: 21 New
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      belated reaction to events - we have already chosen.

      1) kicked out without anyone's help Bakiev, a protege of the United States.
      2) solved almost the South-North problem by a new constitution.
      3) told the US to close the base in the 2014 year.
      4) showed the true face of the Uzbek leader who left the Collective Security Treaty Organization (hoping to get revenge from us and Tajikistan, not allowing Russia to build hydroelectric power stations with US weapons (which they utilize, not transfer to Uzbekistan)
      1. KG_patriot_last
        KG_patriot_last 26 June 2013 13: 07 New
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        It seems that some pro-American did not like our actions, which put a minus. I am glad about this minus, let them get angry, there is nothing to do the USA on the other side of the world.
  14. Artmark
    Artmark 26 June 2013 12: 44 New
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    Greetings. Guys, I think Russia takes this step to get the amers out of there and not to lose influence, In general, politics is a complicated thing and Russia is a very large country, we must have allies and not NATO allies at our borders! hi
  15. simpleton
    simpleton 26 June 2013 14: 34 New
    +1
    I completely agree with EXPERIENCED. Lies and cunning, and therefore all the ensuing consequences, are Putin's constant and unchanged fellow travelers and his team. "Russians - you endure while there is a patient, but it won’t be, we don’t need you in the figs. There are double-dealing Atambaevs, Rakhmons and other Asian ....." - this is the true slogan of these Russian rulers, shedding tears of love for her at every opportunity.
  16. gabatikuk
    gabatikuk 26 June 2013 21: 03 New
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    I completely agree with ArtMark. This is a big policy friends hi
  17. Semurg
    Semurg 26 June 2013 23: 00 New
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    The yard of Baku for me as a layman is sky-high, but I think the Russian leadership is not fools and traitors and probably the help for this amount is justified. Of course I understand that for this amount you can build a lot of things in Russia and the discussion about the excessive amount of help is understandable .
  18. Mergenchi
    Mergenchi 27 June 2013 11: 44 New
    +1
    Now everyone is fully armed, including Russia. The fact that she sends weapons to the CSTO allies is normal, especially since the region is very interesting. Even in Batken Russia helped although Chechnya itself was then. The fact that they say "feed is not like a horse" partially agrees, but there is no particular choice, as someone wrote here - "you cannot bare flanks." It’s now from millions of peaceful Central Asia to Russia, and it’s still worth considering that they’re practically not coming from Kazakhstan, but what will happen if it rumbles in the south? Russia will simply be swept by a wave of refugees. For example, I would not want this.

    Quote: seasoned
    A person who works at a factory in Germany and pays taxes to the German budget can discuss what his taxes are spent on ... To approve or resent what taxes of citizens of other countries spend, he, in my opinion, has no moral right. You make bearings, products dual-use, which is also used in military equipment, which is in service with the Bundeswehr. You can even shout about your patriotism and the origins of the roots, but for me there are facts, and everything else shouts and slogans


    Dear seasoned, do you really think that a person who does not have Russian citizenship cannot be a patriot of Russia? You very ugly shut up a comrade from Germany. I, as a forum participant, am ashamed of your act. Know, comrade, there are plenty of Russians everywhere)))
    1. Anti
      Anti 29 June 2013 22: 07 New
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      Quote: Mergenchi
      You very ugly shut up a comrade from Germany

      Dear comrade from Kazakhstan, simply speaking, it’s difficult for me to evaluate your support, whether to rejoice or to be upset. After all, if you think about it, they shut up their mouths, barrels, windows, bottles, wounds, belts, and so on. I don’t belong to any of these categories. Can you please me? I can stop posting only myself, or ban. For the rest, I agree, but I can’t give an estimate.))) hi
      1. Apollo
        Apollo 29 June 2013 22: 56 New
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        Where and when, Oleg, did the cat family cross the road ?!
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        1. Anti
          Anti 29 June 2013 23: 17 New
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          Apollo, do you have problems with humor? winkedor is this my bad joke?

          Koschey, who is he ?!

          Immortal laughing
          1. Apollo
            Apollo 29 June 2013 23: 35 New
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            Quote: Anti
            or is this my bad joke?


            You have correctly noticed this.
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