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Syrian BMP-1: 40 years in wars

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In June 1973, the first combat use of the Soviet BMP-1 took place. This happened in the Middle East, during the fighting of the Syrian army against the Israelis in the Golan Heights.


Syrian BMP-1: 40 years in wars

The Syrian crews have not mastered the new class of military equipment for them, and therefore many vehicles were lost due to errors in operation. To absolve themselves of responsibility, the Syrians criticized the vehicles for the alleged, in their opinion, insufficient firepower, security and maneuverability. True, as Soviet military advisers told us, the Syrians liked that the Malyutka anti-tank complex, which could hit any Israeli tank at that time, was mounted on the BMP-1.

Another 150 units BMP-1 were part of the Egyptian army, which led the attack on the Sinai front. Here, infantry fighting vehicles operated more successfully, their opponents - the Israelis, by the way, on the contrary, noted the excellent maneuverability of vehicles that confidently overcame salt marshes.

The Egyptian side, in the end, also lost this war, but in its defeat, as always, it began to blame the USSR, they say, the Soviets supplied obsolete equipment - yes, you could still meet the T-34 and Su-100 as part of the Arab troops (they , by the way, the Soviet Army was not withdrawn from service as well as other equipment of the Great Patriotic War), but there were many and quite modern ones, such as tanks T-62 and BTR-60PB. As for the BMP-1, then at that time these machines were considered almost the latest. Many Warsaw Pact allies could only dream of them.

After the end of the 1973 war, Egypt shortly before the full break with the USSR managed to get some more bempes, which until recently were still in service with the army, although they were in storage. The Egyptians replaced the Soviet engine with Western-made engines.

According to some reports, during the Iran-Iraq war, a number of BMP-1 was delivered to Iraq. In addition, the Egyptians donated one such machine to the Chinese, and by copying it, they began unlicensed production. Another number of former Egyptian infantry fighting vehicles turned out to be in the United States and other Western countries.


The fate of the Syrian army’s BMP-1 became even more dramatic. The respite after the 1973 war of the year was short. Soon the bloody civil war in Lebanon began, in which the Syrian contingent, armed, including the BMP-1, took an active part.
This brutal war of all against all was complicated by the fact that, wishing to secure its border from the partisan attacks of the Palestinian forces, Israel from time to time interfered in it, which in 1982 invaded Lebanon.

In the Bekaa Valley, Israeli forces clashed with the Syrian contingent stationed there. BMP-1 were actively involved in the fighting. They, allegedly, missiles "Baby" even shot down several Israeli tanks.

After the withdrawal of Israeli troops, the Syrians many more times were involved in various showdowns of Lebanese paramilitary groups.
In total, according to various estimates, Syria received from the USSR about two thousand BMP-1. It is worth noting that most of the cars were not modernized. It was in this form that they met the civil war that local extremists unleashed, as they would say in the Soviet years, with the "support of international imperialism and reactionary forces."

Along with the T-72 tanks of various modifications, the T-55 and T-62, the BMP-1 became the real workhorses of this war. "Pennies" are used, as they say for slaughter, it seems unlike the BMP-2, they are not particularly sorry.


Unfortunately, in this conflict, the long-known shortcomings of this machine again surfaced, now the lack of security has taken the first place. And for a long time, military experts were surprised that the Syrians practically did not take measures to create an effective defense. Do not regard as such hanging tires on the sides with bags filled with sand.

But recently, they began to take measures to create an improvised defense. As, for example, the option on the photo. A tracked belt is fastened around the tower, on which elements of dynamic protection are visible. The sides also installed screens, which, apparently, were disrupted during the use of infantry fighting vehicles in urban environments. Of course, this military modernization can hardly be considered optimal, but it allows you to increase the survival rate of the BMP crew during combat operations.


If you believe the pessimists who claim that two or three hundred BMP-1 have already been hit, then, given the total number of equipment available to the Syrian government troops, these armored vehicles should suffice for a long time.
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  1. UPStoyan
    UPStoyan 27 June 2013 08: 51
    14
    In any case, a bad technique would not have served for so long. Great car for its time.
  2. Canep
    Canep 27 June 2013 08: 54
    11
    The Syrians and Egyptians seem to have poorly explained that they are not intended to break through the enemy’s anti-tank defense, but to deliver infantry to the battlefield and provide infantry fire support in the defense, and in the absence of anti-tank weapons from the enemy, then on the offensive.
    The car is good, but spare parts from vehicles are not suitable for the engine, and in general, the engine of the original design creates problems with the supply of spare parts.
  3. Nayhas
    Nayhas 27 June 2013 09: 59
    +4
    "If we are to believe the pessimists who claim that two or three hundred BMP-1 infantry fighting vehicles have already been hit, then, given the total number of equipment available to the Syrian government forces, these armored vehicles should be enough for a long time." - this is unlikely, the equipment is old and in addition to failure as a result of hostilities, it also breaks down. Engines and transmissions are capricious things and require high-quality care, and merciless exploitation does not add life to it ...
  4. TRAFFIC
    TRAFFIC 27 June 2013 10: 02
    -8
    If you believe the pessimists who claim that two to three hundred BMP-1s have already been hit
    In fact, according to eyewitnesses, they have already hit 400 BMPs of various types out of 2500, so yes, that's enough for a long time.
    1. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 27 June 2013 14: 40
      +6
      Quote: TRAFIC
      In fact, according to eyewitnesses, they have already hit 400 BMPs of various types out of 2500, so yes, that's enough for a long time.


      If I believed these eyewitnesses, then the Syrian troops have long been destroyed, and Assad is hiding on the Russian landing ship in Tartus.

      Here we would apply the famous rule "three" that is, divide by three. It turns out that the BMP-1 is in the ranks of about 800, and about 100 was destroyed ...
      1. dustycat
        dustycat 27 June 2013 19: 53
        +3
        Here on TV just the news from Syria.
        Strange as it may seem, BMP-1 flickered in the foreground, but additionally blinded with concrete slab screens and towers with dynamic protection suspended from the sides.
        So that can be more divided.
        Maintainability of Soviet technology is the highest in the world.
        And in Lebanon, therefore, they are still running around on all sides.
        This is not aluminum armor, but steel - a simple welder for repair, strengthening and modernization is enough. Well, any car service can cope with its repair.

        Here and run.
    2. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 27 June 2013 17: 02
      +5
      Quote: TRAFIC
      In fact, according to eyewitnesses, they have already hit 400 different types of infantry fighting vehicles.


      Which eyewitnesses? Those who cut hearts and eat soldiers?
      Or their videos? Well, believe them further - the wind is in the back.

      Recently it was flickered in the news that the Syrian army recaptured the airport from the thugs, which they used to shoot videos about their successes. So wait soon dear TRAFFIC "eyewitnesses" will dump "evidence" of their grandiose victories over the Syrian Air Force on YouTube.
      1. TRAFFIC
        TRAFFIC 27 June 2013 18: 11
        -1
        Carlson and Gesenberg written there "confirmed by video materials" loss, what to argue about? If you want to object, here’s a 160-page topic about this, it's silly to argue http://forums.airbase.ru/2012/02/t85393--grazhdanskaya-vojna-v-sirii.html
        1. dustycat
          dustycat 27 June 2013 20: 01
          0
          If you believe the "video materials" then some Merkav Hamas destroyed more than 300.
          And in kind?
          1. TRAFFIC
            TRAFFIC 27 June 2013 20: 51
            -1
            If you believe the "video materials" then some Merkav Hamas destroyed more than 300.
            "What is your evidence"? laughing Where can I find it? I have provided my own. tongue
            1. Phantom Revolution
              Phantom Revolution 27 June 2013 23: 32
              +3
              Quote: TRAFIC
              "What is your evidence"? laughing Where can I find it? I gave you mine. tongue

              On some 50 tanks, they knocked them out, you can familiarize yourself with the video materials on the annuities, they were returned to work in an hour 3.
    3. dustycat
      dustycat 27 June 2013 19: 57
      +2
      Well knocked out so what?
      Dragged to the nearest car service, found an intelligent welder, but an electrician.
      Washed, cleaned, welded holes, tinted, a new crew put in battle.
      If it were luminous ... Then they would have immediately passed it to the colorimeter.
      So knocked out - these are not cranks for the BMP-1.
  5. KG_patriot_last
    KG_patriot_last 27 June 2013 10: 04
    +4
    Syrians would have to plant more modern means of modernization ... from the video I saw how they often use BMP guns, there would be thermal imagers and other modern joys, I think the efficiency would increase at times ..
    1. dustycat
      dustycat 27 June 2013 20: 02
      +1
      Syrians buy new BMP-3s with thermal imagers. And they put almost everything on the old armored vehicles.
  6. Adilhan_kz
    Adilhan_kz 27 June 2013 12: 07
    +3
    Well done Syrians, hold on. As for armored vehicles, maybe Russia will help. They will upgrade or buy.
  7. Drummer
    Drummer 27 June 2013 12: 18
    +2
    Quote: Canep
    The Syrians and Egyptians seem to have poorly explained that they are not intended to break through the enemy’s anti-tank defense, but to deliver infantry to the battlefield and provide infantry fire support in the defense, and in the absence of anti-tank weapons from the enemy, then on the offensive.

    In fact, the BMP was positioned precisely as a vehicle for escorting and supporting tanks in an offensive, partly as an anti-tank weapon. Another thing is that the Yom Kippur war raised the issue of the effectiveness of the BMP's armament, especially the Thunder cannon, which showed itself from the worst side (S. Suvorov gives an example of how the BMP-1 during trials fired a BK from a cannon at a T-55 from 400 m, and he wound up and left the landfill on its own). As a result, following the results of the VSD, the USSR began to work out variants of the BMP with 30 mm 2A42 and smooth-bore "Zarnitsa", and eventually came to the BMP-2 and BMP-3.
    1. Bongo
      Bongo 27 June 2013 13: 46
      +7
      The distance when firing from the 73-mm "Thunder" gun has absolutely no effect on the armor penetration of the cumulative projectile, just like the SPG-9, which has a similar ammunition. These are quite adequate anti-tank weapons for their time. Another question is that the standard BMP-1 cannon is not very suitable for suppressing anti-tank infantry weapons and is completely unsuitable for countering helicopters.
      1. Drummer
        Drummer 27 June 2013 17: 36
        +1
        Quote: Bongo
        The distance when firing from the 73-mm "Thunder" gun has absolutely no effect on the armor penetration of the cumulative projectile, just like the SPG-9, which has a similar ammunition.

        There with lateral demolition problems were + weak ammunition.
        These are quite adequate anti-tank weapons for their time. Another issue is that the standard BMP-1 cannon is of little use for suppressing anti-tank infantry weapons and is completely unsuitable for countering helicopters.

        Nevertheless, the BMP-1 was tasked with fighting tanks, and she could not solve them.
      2. Drummer
        Drummer 27 June 2013 17: 37
        +1
        I found this episode in Suvorov’s murder on BMP-2.
      3. dustycat
        dustycat 27 June 2013 20: 10
        +1
        In vain you are so.
        The remote grenade launcher is very effective against both infantry and helicopters.
        The Syrians learned very well to use it back in the 1980s.
        There were many stories about how they shoot back from helicopters and aircraft of the IDF.
        This is one of the reasons why the Toe and Blowpipe systems were used with jeeps more efficiently than with helicopters and IDF aircraft.
        A column of jeeps still need to be noticed in the bushes of green.
        A helicopter or plane is almost immediately visible after take-off from the base.
        Telephone notification of the departure of combat units is a very effective and insoluble AOI problem.
        1. Drummer
          Drummer 27 June 2013 20: 44
          +2
          The sight on the "Thunder" cannon is designed for a range of up to 1300 m (compare with the characteristics of any modern ATGM), there were no buckshot rounds or remote fuses in the BC - only cumulative and fragmentation grenades with GO-2 and VP-9 shock fuses. In light of the foregoing, I would like to learn more about how and with what the Syrian infantry fighting vehicles drove off Israeli turntables.
          1. Misantrop
            Misantrop 27 June 2013 20: 54
            0
            Quote: Drummer
            how and how did the Syrian infantry fighting vehicles drive away Israeli turntables.

            I myself am not special in this, but when we watched a film about an American pilot shot down in Yugoslavia (when 4 turntables were giving soot to everyone), the paratrooper brother chuckled. I got interested and this is what I heard in response: "There is a BMP-1 in the frame. A cannon at a high rate of fire, the distance is ridiculous, there is no special maneuver for the turntables, there is nowhere. I would have put them all down simply ..." by that time, there were already several years of REAL WAR behind the hypers, it seems as if there is no need to doubt his words ... wink
            1. old man54
              old man54 28 June 2013 14: 56
              0
              Quote: Misantrop
              "There is a BMP-1 in the frame. A cannon at a high rate of fire, the distance is ridiculous, there is no special maneuver for the turntables, there is nowhere. I would have kicked them all out simply ..."

              most likely, either the BMP-2 was there, in the frame, or your brother did not figure out that "1" and not the BMP-2. BMP-1 cannot fire in bursts. As far as I know, this requires an automatic loader at least!
              1. deputy ___ watered
                deputy ___ watered 29 June 2013 15: 14
                0
                there is of course bmp-1m, on it 2a-72 as a "three-ruble note". Not in the know about delivery or upgrades, but it could have been!
    2. dustycat
      dustycat 27 June 2013 20: 16
      0
      Tanks shot from RPGs in Grozny also started and drove if the ammunition was not detonated or the tank did not burn out. This was repeatedly shown on TV.
      And what?
  8. Bongo
    Bongo 27 June 2013 13: 33
    +6
    The song of the Arabs about bad and outdated Soviet technology does not cause anything but irritation. In the same Vietnam, there were no modern S-125 air defense systems and mobile KVADRAT at that time. However, the Vietnamese won, and the Arabs lost all wars.
    1. Alekseev
      Alekseev 27 June 2013 13: 42
      +7
      Bad dancer ... wink
      But the Thunder gun, yes. No wonder she entered the old adage: in SA there are three ye ... gasoline Urals, 5TDF engine and ... gun Thunder! laughing
      But it has long been replaced and without problems you can replace it, where you have not had time for 2A42 or the like.
      Protection corresponds to the level of light armored vehicles, it can be strengthened due to buoyancy, the power plant is reliable, it is possible to set the UTD with supercharging (360 hp).
      In general, a good car in its class.
      Would be bad, not reliable, would not serve so many years in so many armies!
      1. deputy ___ watered
        deputy ___ watered 29 June 2013 15: 08
        0
        To set 30 mm you need:
        - change the tower;
        - change the wiring.

        The Bulgarians went in a simpler way by placing 23 mm.

        Romanians MLI-84M - Romanian modification MLI-84. An Israeli OWS-25R combat module was installed armed with: 25-mm automatic gun Oerlikon KBA-B07AA, 7,62-mm machine gun PKT and launcher for two anti-tank missiles "Spike" LR.

        The main disadvantage of thunder is the low maximum angle of elevation of the gun.
  9. creak
    creak 27 June 2013 13: 38
    +2
    You know what is stopping the bad dancer ...
  10. LaGlobal
    LaGlobal 27 June 2013 13: 51
    +1
    My brother served on the BMP-2! I was very pleased. Behami called them)))
  11. volkodav
    volkodav 27 June 2013 14: 52
    +2
    well, they would have discussed Chapaev’s cart, how she showed herself in the modern civil war laughing its pros and cons. The RF Armed Forces on copecks in two wars in Chechnya participated and nothing. And the Arabs need to learn the old army wisdom - do not stick your nose where the dog does not stick his
  12. ed65b
    ed65b 27 June 2013 16: 03
    0
    And what time is it in Israel? something not to see obsira..ov.
    1. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 27 June 2013 16: 06
      +1
      Exact time: Jerusalem, Israel - 15:06.
    2. old man54
      old man54 27 June 2013 17: 19
      +2
      Quote: ed65b
      And what time is it in Israel? something not to see obsira..ov.

      afraid to grab minuses, it seems that something began to reach them. :)))
      1. dustycat
        dustycat 27 June 2013 20: 24
        +2
        Just smart people.
        They are well aware that with such news from Syria on TV to talk about the shortcomings of Russian technology is somehow not comme il faut.


        On the other hand....
        After all, they are also half Russian.
        When the fighters on Russian technology cradle them, too, it’s a shame for the state and they want to reassure themselves that it’s right that they left.
        And when the fighters win on the same technique, I really want to be involved.
        And then I don’t really want to prove to myself that it’s right that we left.
        And then the same technique is almost the best technique.
        It would be the best if it were the stars of David.
        1. old man54
          old man54 27 June 2013 21: 20
          +3
          Quote: dustycat
          On the other hand....
          After all, they are also half Russian.

          no, they were never Russian either, when they even lived here, and even when they cut off to Isergil, then even more so! They always blasted Jews, but earlier they were Soviet Jews, then they became Russian Jews, and now it’s not worth talking about them! Remember, all of us here today, in Russia, are sitting under our birches, but these are already strangers!
          1. Tourist Breakfast
            Tourist Breakfast 27 June 2013 22: 27
            -5
            I look here all the psychologists gathered. By the way, I wonder why, unlike the captured Soviet tanks, the IDF did not use the captured BMP?
            1. Professor
              Professor 27 June 2013 23: 24
              0
              Quote: Tourist's Breakfast
              By the way, I wonder why, unlike the captured Soviet tanks, the IDF did not use the captured BMP?

              Duc and tanks went over before adoption, and the BMP was nothing to boast of, even the reservation. the same story with captured cars.
              1. Tourist Breakfast
                Tourist Breakfast 28 June 2013 01: 35
                -1
                Duc and tanks went over to adoption,


                Sorry, "went over" - how's that? If you are talking about replacing a gun, then this was not done on all machines, especially at first.
                1. Professor
                  Professor 28 June 2013 09: 42
                  0
                  I'm talking about the power plant. When they decided to do Ahzarit, there was no question of leaving their own. I already wrote about torsion ...
                  1. Drummer
                    Drummer 28 June 2013 11: 42
                    +3
                    And what does Ahzarit, who appeared strongly after the 73 year, have never a tank and eight tons heavier than the T-55? Or on Tirana, too, the engine and suspension changed?
                    1. Professor
                      Professor 28 June 2013 12: 31
                      0
                      Quote: Drummer
                      And what does Ahzarit, who appeared strongly after the 73 year, have never a tank and eight tons heavier than the T-55? Or on Tirana, too, the engine and suspension changed?

                      Despite the fact that the quality was not quite satisfactory, but on the lack of fish ... At the first opportunity, they were removed from service, some were presented, they were sold. When it came to Ahzarit, the flaws of the cache were taken into account. They didn’t get such a number with the BMP, they tried to adapt the captured vehicles, but they preferred the old American trucks withdrawn from Vietnam, by the way they still run in the army.
                      1. Drummer
                        Drummer 28 June 2013 18: 03
                        +1
                        Quote: Professor
                        Despite the fact that the quality was not quite satisfactory, but without any fish ... At the earliest opportunity, they were removed from service, some were presented, some were sold.

                        So at the first? They stood in service for more than twenty years and managed to take part in three wars.
                      2. Professor
                        Professor 28 June 2013 21: 03
                        +1
                        In which three wars? request They were quickly transferred to the reserve as soon as American tanks appeared, sold to Africa, presented to the Lebanese and converted into armored personnel carriers.
                      3. Drummer
                        Drummer 28 June 2013 22: 32
                        +1
                        War of Attrition, War of 73, War of 82.
                      4. Professor
                        Professor 29 June 2013 15: 12
                        0
                        In the first two, the use was limited, and there wasn’t much to choose from. especially after 1973. In the Lebanese war, they were nominally in service, they were mainly used by the tzadals. They are still full in Lebanon.
      2. old man54
        old man54 28 June 2013 15: 08
        +1
        Quote: Tourist Breakfast
        By the way, I wonder why, unlike the captured Soviet tanks, the IDF did not use the captured BMP?

        1. spare parts problem;
        2. misunderstanding of their advantages in comparison with the armored personnel carrier, shopping mall. watched Israel in the ass of the western combined arms school;
        3. And who said that they didn’t use it at all ?? The well-known flank attack across the lake (I don’t remember the name) during the war with Egypt! There were also trophy BMPs and our PT-76. Have you heard about this, or is your propaganda hiding? :))
        1. Tourist Breakfast
          Tourist Breakfast 30 June 2013 10: 54
          0
          And who said that did not use it at all ?? The well-known flank attack across the lake (I don’t remember the name) during the war with Egypt! There were captured tanks and our PT-76s. Have you heard about this, or is your propaganda hiding? :))


          Are you sure that it was the captured BMP-1? Our propaganda claims that there were PT76 and BTR50P. What does your propaganda say?
  • KononAV
    KononAV 27 June 2013 18: 15
    +2
    It’s hard for the old technique in modern war. Oh, how hard.
  • Bosk
    Bosk 27 June 2013 21: 50
    +1
    In fact, the main objective of the BMP is to deliver infantry to the battlefield ... rather than tearing into a breakthrough.
    1. Andrey77
      Andrey77 28 June 2013 11: 13
      0
      This is the task of the APC, not the BMP. The task of the BMP in the battle to protect the tank from enemy infantry.
      1. old man54
        old man54 28 June 2013 14: 52
        0
        Quote: Andrey77
        This is the task of the APC, not the BMP. The task of the BMP in the battle to protect the tank from enemy infantry.

        do not guard, but support, and deliver it, infantry, along with tanks to the front edge of the enemy, or even further, because the infantry will not have time to run behind the tanks, especially in the winter, in the snow, and the losses will be large from machine guns and buckshots!
  • faraon
    faraon 28 June 2013 21: 30
    +1
    Yes, there is nothing to say, but as the saying goes, the equipment is in the hands of a wild piece of iron. The very BMP abbreviation implies the delivery of infantry to the battlefield and support with its firepower, and not enter into a confrontation with the tank divisions of the warrior (here the author of the article obviously gave a blunder) repair in the presence of a repair base and spare parts is not a problem. The question is, is it a machine and not a tractor and in capable hands it is a formidable weapon
  • faraon
    faraon 29 June 2013 11: 22
    +1
    Quote: old man54

    1. spare parts problem;
    2. misunderstanding of their advantages in comparison with the armored personnel carrier, shopping mall. watched Israel in the ass of the western combined arms school;
    3. And who said that they didn’t use it at all ?? The well-known flank attack across the lake (I don’t remember the name) during the war with Egypt! There were also trophy BMPs and our PT-76. Have you heard about this, or is your propaganda hiding? :))

    The military equipment that was used by the Egyptian army is completely seized. And it is in storage. So if there is a war everything will be used. Israel cannot afford such luxury as the destruction of military equipment in good condition. In peacetime, it does not apply as it does not respond. environmental standards. But in case of war, I am sure it will be used, and the crews will be Russian-speaking.
  • Alew
    Alew 29 June 2013 14: 52
    0
    In the 90s, they showed different countries through the discovery channel that they mentioned that the Soviet BMP1s were powerful, well-armed, but they didn’t seem to be disposable for a long time, so the West diminished and belittled our equipment. However, specialists know that in good hands this is not so.
    1. Andrey77
      Andrey77 4 July 2013 14: 46
      +1
      Here it is not necessary to consider everything Soviet as the best. BMP-1 is outdated as the corpse of Lenin.
  • IsailoR
    IsailoR 1 July 2013 12: 58
    0
    Probably no one said to the Syrians in the textbook "Learn the mathematical part." Hence the unplanned use and losses.
    1. Andrey77
      Andrey77 4 July 2013 14: 48
      0
      Probably the mathematical part does not correspond to the tasks being solved.