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Russian army: getting out of the reform pit

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Russian army: getting out of the reform pitThree years ago, when the country was informed that the Russian army would be subject to effective reform, we suddenly learned about the abolition of enrollment in higher military schools (institutes, universities). It turned out that the so-called optimization measures eliminate the need for training young officers. The question of training lower-level commanders remained unanswered. To say that the abolition of enrollment in military universities has caused a state close to a shock among those who are not indifferent to the fate of the Russian army - to say almost nothing. Many frankly did not understand what path is being reformed by the country's Armed Forces and which circle of problems is solved if the very reformed army is deprived of professional young recruits.


The answer from people from the camp of the ex-minister (now the ex-minister, and then - in 2010-m - the very main defense reformer himself) Anatoly Serdyukov was about the following: the officer corps was too bloated, and for a compact, mobile, organized army he, he says, does not fit. However, in the same explanation of the need to abolish enrollment in military schools, there was a contradiction. It consisted in the fact that perhaps the number of regular officers was unnecessary for a compact, mobile and organized army, but the army itself still needed to be done. Obviously, it was neither compact, nor mobile, nor even organized (if not to speak of individual units, but to take the army as a whole). And in order to make it both effective and organized, reform was supposedly started. But in order for the tree to start bearing fruit, does this tree have its roots cut down? .. It doesn’t have a tree, but what happened in the army: it was chopped down on the basis of the fundamentals - to train qualified officers.

At the same time, it was started, excuse me, cleaning the officers (and not only the officers) ranks. The reduction, which was replaced by a neutral interpretation of "optimization", was quite painful. One of our regular readers writes:

In light of the recent decisions of the former Minister of Defense, measures are being taken to reduce and dismiss officers of the RF Armed Forces. And the slogan of this reduction is: “We give everyone housing ... All those who are being laid off.” That is, a soldier who gets housing is obliged to resign, regardless of experience, rank, or length of service.

Many of the currently dismissed officers are far from retirement age, and are ready to continue their service, but senior management believes that they are no longer needed. Here the question arises: why? Either there will be another incomprehensible reform of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, or Russia does not need experienced military personnel.


Indeed, when people tried to understand the intricacies of military reform, it was somehow far from the concept of defense capability. After all, it’s strange to speak about improving the army’s efficiency, but at the same time getting rid of people who could well (based on accumulated experience and professionalism) for this very effectiveness, they say, it’s cleared up. Immediately after the words "green men" from famous persons, scattering diamonds in all the boxes of their "hlup". It was these individuals who, with time, appeared before the Russian public as the true salt of military reform: let’s get rid of the “extra green men”, and the “survivors” under the reformist bombing will fill the new efficient army with a renewed monetary allowance. At least, the paper version of the ongoing reform was hinted at that indirectly.

This year, enrollment in military universities is resuming. Of course, during this time, the reformist rink managed to stroll along the universities themselves, many of which were left by the most experienced military teachers, who had several issues of professional military personnel behind them. It’s difficult to say what the situation is in the remaining military institutes and universities, which now have a slightly different form of subordination (legally attached to military academies), after three years of lack of student enrollment. The fact that the ranks of military educators have thinned is a fact, and how are most of them again drawing to universities? - A question about which decision while the Ministry of Defense speaks very carefully. As an option: "Return, for God's sake!"

So, if we talk about which military universities recruit cadets in 2013 year, then we can submit the following list.

1. Moscow and Moscow region:
Military Academy of the Strategic Missile Forces (plus branches);
Military University;
The Combined Arms Military Institute (VUNC SV “OA Armed Forces of the Russian Federation” plus branches in Kazan, Novosibirsk, Ryazan, Tyumen and Blagoveshchensk);
Military Academy (plus a branch in Cherepovets).

2. St. Petersburg:
Mikhailovsky Military Artillery Academy;
Naval Academy (plus branches in Vladivostok and Kaliningrad;
Military Space Academy (plus a branch in Yaroslavl);
Military Academy of Communications;
Military Academy of MTO (plus a branch in Volsk, Penza and Omsk);
Military-medical Academy.

3. Smolensk:
Military Academy of Air Defense

4. Voronezh:
Air Force Academy (plus branches in Krasnodar, Chelyabinsk and Syzran).

5. Kostroma:
Military Academy RCBZ and engineering troops.

6. Ryazan:
Higher Airborne Command School.

It should be noted not only the fact of the resumption of full-fledged enrollment in higher military schools, but also the refusal of most of them from training programs for such specialties as a lawyer and economist. Of course, this does not mean that the modern army should cease to be friends with the letter of law or with the economy, but when up to a third of young lieutenants who graduated from designated areas in military schools left a year, then most of these young officers automatically turned into unemployed, it led to certain thoughts. But the thoughts are simple: military universities simply had to survive in the conditions in which they were put.

By the way, gentlemen from Serdyukov’s "galaxy" tried to justify with these facts that the high schools of the Ministry of Defense mostly stopped the recruits. But it is foolish to try to justify the complete elimination of the recruitment by the fact that many professions that were prepared by military universities were not claimed. Could it not be possible to stop the recruitment of “lawyers-economists” and other managers first, by financing military universities to work effectively with really significant specialties? Apparently, it was impossible ... Well, nothing, you know, did not fit into the system of eliminating the entire system of training "green men". Did not fit and that's it. And therefore: “to the ground, and then ...” This is the very “then” today that emerges.

You can count on the fact that the three-year pit, which directly touched higher military education, as well as personnel “cleaning”, will not leave unhealed scars on the Russian army. Of course, the scars will heal with time, but how long will this take? - Even the most experienced experts will not be able to answer this question.
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  1. Dejavu
    Dejavu 26 June 2013 07: 25 New
    29
    Thank God, this whole Serdyukovsky collapse has ended. (crossed himself)
    1. experienced
      experienced 26 June 2013 08: 15 New
      28
      I just would like to soon read about the criminal liability of those who drove the army into this pit of reform. Yesterday there was information that they had discovered a fraud of Vasilyeva for 600 million rubles (the amount is no longer impressive) and so what? Sits! But where? In a thirteen-room apartment, furnished like a museum under house arrest !!! am
      1. Very old
        Very old 26 June 2013 13: 21 New
        +7
        ALEXEI-experienced, today plyusuvat all without exception, I do not remember such unanimity in judgments. And rightly so, because we are an ARMY. "Serduchka" deserves our rating. Thank you to all visitors to the site.
      2. Mairos
        Mairos 26 June 2013 13: 37 New
        +4
        She will soon be amnestied in general - under a new bill, as an entrepreneur who has committed an economic crime for the first time.
      3. cdrt
        cdrt 26 June 2013 16: 01 New
        +2
        about the criminal liability of those who drove the army into this pit

        hmm ... for such words about Putin, you can rattle for extremism ... wink
    2. Alekseev
      Alekseev 26 June 2013 08: 46 New
      14
      Quote: dejavu
      Thank God, this whole Serdyukovsky collapse has ended.

      Yes, the collapse has not yet ended.
      There is also “gunpowder in powder flasks” at the “destroyers”.
      And most importantly, no fundamental creative reforms are visible.
      For example, without going into too much detail in a short comment:
      1. The status of conscription and urgent service.
      2. Preparation of mobilization reserves.
      3. Order and military discipline in the troops.
      4. And, of course, the public flogging of the feldmebel and K. laughing . This event is no less serious than others.
      5. The status of the military is lowered. Take at least a humiliating retirement coefficient of 0,54. (Yes, if there is not enough money, cut everything off, but pay fairly: same ranks and salaries - equal pension) It seems that the leaders believe that in peacetime the military are ordinary citizens who simply entered into a contract for several years, and if in the military, they instantly degenerate into brave “miracle heroes”. lol
      With this approach, effective 21st century aircraft cannot be built. It does not reach the power holders that the military service of a professional is a life choice, from the course of a young soldier to a decent retirement.
      It is clear that it is not possible to master everything at once.
      "But striving for this is necessary!" smile
      For starters, at least voicing the concept and adopting the necessary legislative acts.
      1. experienced
        experienced 26 June 2013 09: 22 New
        19
        And yet I think that if it were not for "weakness on the front end" and a vengeful father-in-law, then the ex-minister could very well go down in history as a "successful reformer of the Russian Armed Forces and Navy." And so he "slept" and "harem" put his under attack. winked
        How much time did he “reform” so that only the mat was heard from the military and open letters were written to the President about the targeted destruction of the Army and there were so many appeals and nothing, like everything is fine, reforms are underway, we ... and we are getting stronger, just about a little still be patient and everything will be fine ... And then he went too far with the “leftist” and at once everyone "saw the light", "And the Minister is naked," his guys, he is not a reformer, but a thief and a destroyer
        1. evfrat
          evfrat 26 June 2013 10: 11 New
          +5
          Yes sir! comrade Colonel General!
    3. LaGlobal
      LaGlobal 26 June 2013 09: 32 New
      +2
      Quote: dejavu
      Thank God, this whole Serdyukovsky collapse has ended. (crossed himself)


      “But how soldiers and officers are glad of this!”
    4. Yun Klob
      Yun Klob 26 June 2013 12: 14 New
      +6
      Not over. He did this for years 15-20 to disentangle, no less.
      1. soldat1945
        soldat1945 26 June 2013 12: 34 New
        +6
        I absolutely agree with you that what you have done with military education, even if the teachers need to do something with the selection of cadets, because there is no such competition either by acquaintance or by paying, so that the offspring would be arranged for decently paid work, the graduates of the DVOKU are just awful I have already written several times in attestations that the state drug control needs to pay attention to this school, the lieutenants, with the exception of units, come very poorly trained, they learn everything from the troops, and those who could teach Serdyuk fired a lot, so as I said above, I would like to see development program and quality selection! And so the result is still there even with money, and the platoon cheated in motorized riflemen gets 38-39 thousand, but the salary still became more or less, only now there’s another problem that it’s difficult to dismiss the Tiyadyan!
    5. vladimirZ
      vladimirZ 26 June 2013 18: 18 New
      +5
      The "Serdyukovsky collapse" of the army ended, only those who appointed and covered Serdyukov remained with the state leadership and "successfully" continue their activities.
      1. mark7
        mark7 26 June 2013 18: 55 New
        +3
        completely agree with you Vladimir +
    6. Apologet.Ru
      Apologet.Ru 26 June 2013 18: 24 New
      0
      In the situation with Serdyukov, it is necessary, first of all, to figure out / decide what purpose he was put to feed at the helm of the Armed Forces of Russia.
      In my opinion, the priority task posed to him was a drastic reduction (according to the “state” - optimization) of the quantitative composition of the armed forces in light of the changes that occurred after the collapse of the Warsaw Pact and the USSR, and the existence of a “new” Russia.
      The question is, how is information for consideration - could a “native” from the ranks of the current personnel officers of the Armed Forces, taking into account all the conditions of the existing caste of the officer corps, carry out a massive reduction and structural reorganization of the troops ?!
      Probably there are few officers and generals who can positively answer this question. Not?
      And he successfully coped with this task ... and as a payment for risks he was given a certain financial freedom, which he, as a successful businessman-manager, took advantage of.
      She had a hand in her heart - and who would have refused the opportunities presented ?!
      It is necessary to have non-human willpower to abandon such temptations with such a carte blanche and with such a “roof”!
      And how to punish him now, if the President of the country personally set him the above tasks, that is, Comrade Supreme Commander-in-Chief, promising full support and personal insurance in case of force majeure circumstances?
      1. Colonel
        Colonel 26 June 2013 19: 56 New
        +5
        You correctly disassembled and definitions. A successful business manager coped with the task. One small question - in the case of real force majeure circumstances (for the country), who will fight? Or there are doubts. what will have to fight?
        1. Apologet.Ru
          Apologet.Ru 26 June 2013 20: 49 New
          +1
          Quote: colonel
          One small question - in the case of real force majeure circumstances (for the country), who will fight? Or there are doubts. what will have to fight?

          Dear Colleague hi, judging by the comments and the question, you simply did not catch the irony in my "out loud" expressed thoughts lol . And the answer to your question is clear even to a first grader, but not to the arbiters of our world, all their hope for "maybe." Although, however, something is beginning to change and I would like that for the better ...
          1. ded10041948
            ded10041948 26 June 2013 22: 13 New
            +1
            Listen people! Next time when you will be ironic, warn in advance. There are a lot of visitors on the site, who from your "sparkling humor and irony" can even demolish a tower! Then it will be too late to prove that you are "white and fluffy" if you appeared in a porcupine costume!
            1. Apologet.Ru
              Apologet.Ru 26 June 2013 23: 36 New
              0
              I warn you ...
          2. Colonel
            Colonel 27 June 2013 17: 29 New
            0
            I repent, did not catch hi
    7. a
      a 27 June 2013 00: 07 New
      +4
      the army can then be selected from the pit, filling the pockets of unscrupulous businessmen of various stripes. Yes, that's just the whole country is plunging into the economic pit. and after it the army will go there again. no economy, no army. it is an axiom
  2. rassom
    rassom 26 June 2013 07: 33 New
    10
    I used to think that against the background of these reforms something worthwhile is happening and this is just a window dressing and a screen for our "probable friends" ... and then they reduced me ...
  3. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 26 June 2013 08: 21 New
    +4
    “Could you stop the recruitment for“ lawyers-economists ”and other managers by funding military universities to work effectively with truly significant specialties? Apparently, it was impossible ...”

    Why where without them ?! Some know how to steal, others how to otmazatsya, the best specialists for the former minister.
  4. lotar
    lotar 26 June 2013 08: 29 New
    12
    In general, all the work of Serdyukov and his team is very similar to the targeted strikes to destroy the RF Armed Forces, most likely many of the events during their work that the ordinary citizen did not recognize there. If he was allowed to do this work, but he was allowed, then this leads to certain thoughts.
    1. Airman
      Airman 26 June 2013 09: 13 New
      +4
      Quote: lotar
      In general, all the work of Serdyukov and his team is very similar to the targeted strikes to destroy the RF Armed Forces, most likely many of the events during their work that the ordinary citizen did not recognize there. If he was allowed to do this work, but he was allowed, then this leads to certain thoughts.


      I looked at the list and saw: some academies, and only one Ryazan airborne command school. Only the commander of the Airborne Forces managed to defend the divisions and their school! Now are young officers trained at academies? and from one academy will they come to another? What is the name of the school number 1 - Moscow VOKU?
      1. piter-tank
        piter-tank 26 June 2013 09: 45 New
        +1
        The fact is that schools, as such, remained in their places: Moscow, Novosibirsk, Blagoveshchensk, Kazan and others. Only now they are called branches of the All-Russian Scientific Center of Military Aviation of the Russian Armed Forces. That is what the former academy is named after. Frunze M.V. - Military training and scientific center of the Ground Forces. All schools are subordinate to the former Academy, and not directly to the Commander-in-Chief of the SV, as it was before.
    2. 0251
      0251 26 June 2013 09: 32 New
      +7
      It really leads to certain thoughts about the art of Serdyukov probably knew the entire leadership of the country and this did not specifically notice (DA Medvedev) or did not want to notice. Instead of transferring him from the category of a witness to the Army accused of all sins of his life, he was given a warm place in RUSNANO to the same “leader” as he was Chubais. When will we really proceed from the words “anti-corruption” to practical actions regardless of ranks and estates.
    3. ded10041948
      ded10041948 26 June 2013 22: 14 New
      0
      Mostly sad!
  5. Dima190579
    Dima190579 26 June 2013 08: 41 New
    +1
    After the resignation of Serebryakov, Russia had a chance to create an indestructible ARMY.
    1. matross
      matross 26 June 2013 16: 15 New
      0
      Quote: Dima190579
      after the resignation of Serebryakov

      And who is this? What kind of bastard is so unknown - Serebryakov? Share it
      1. Pamir210
        Pamir210 26 June 2013 21: 44 New
        0
        Alexey Serebryakov - actor)))
  6. Grigorich 1962
    Grigorich 1962 26 June 2013 08: 56 New
    +9
    When will Serdyukov be responsible for his "reforms" as an adult !! ??
    1. Airman
      Airman 26 June 2013 09: 16 New
      +6
      Quote: Grigorich 1962
      When will Serdyukov be responsible for his "reforms" as an adult !! ??


      Never! AMNESTY! ALL things are closed.
      1. ed65b
        ed65b 26 June 2013 11: 18 New
        +3
        Yesterday, it was clarified that corruption cases do not fall. I was also worried that the bastards would come off. Although that does not come off so far there is no certainty.
        1. Airman
          Airman 26 June 2013 17: 48 New
          +2
          Quote: ed65b
          Yesterday, it was clarified that corruption cases do not fall. I was also worried that the bastards would come off. Although that does not come off so far there is no certainty.


          He does not have corruption, but a deliberate breakdown of the Armed Forces, undermining combat readiness. With all the consequences ...
    2. evgenii67
      evgenii67 26 June 2013 16: 38 New
      0
      Hello everyone!
      Quote: Grigorich 1962
      When will Serdyukov be responsible for his "reforms" as an adult !! ??
      apparently, after death, everyone will have to answer there and it will not work out.
      1. ded10041948
        ded10041948 26 June 2013 22: 19 New
        +1
        There is such a sentence: "Hope in God, and don’t be a bad guy yourself!"
  7. ale-x
    ale-x 26 June 2013 09: 07 New
    +2
    Will turn into a worm after reincarnation. Those. not in this life. Will that suit you?
    1. ded10041948
      ded10041948 26 June 2013 22: 20 New
      +1
      As soon as I hear that this tv.a.r.b. is dead, I’ll go to crush all the worms!
      (Well, the filter, you don’t have any tires!)
  8. Kovrovsky
    Kovrovsky 26 June 2013 09: 11 New
    +1
    Quote: Alekseev
    Quote: dejavu
    Thank God, this whole Serdyukovsky collapse has ended.

    Yes, the collapse has not yet ended.
    There is also “gunpowder in powder flasks” at the “destroyers”.
    And most importantly, no fundamental creative reforms are visible.
    For example, without going into too much detail in a short comment:
    1. The status of conscription and urgent service.
    2. Preparation of mobilization reserves.
    3. Order and military discipline in the troops.
    4. And, of course, the public flogging of the feldmebel and K. laughing . This event is no less serious than others.
    5. The status of the military is lowered. Take at least a humiliating retirement coefficient of 0,54. (Yes, if there is not enough money, cut everything off, but pay fairly: same ranks and salaries - equal pension) It seems that the leaders believe that in peacetime the military are ordinary citizens who simply entered into a contract for several years, and if in the military, they instantly degenerate into brave “miracle heroes”. lol
    With this approach, effective 21st century aircraft cannot be built. It does not reach the power holders that the military service of a professional is a life choice, from the course of a young soldier to a decent retirement.
    It is clear that it is not possible to master everything at once.
    "But striving for this is necessary!" smile
    For starters, at least voicing the concept and adopting the necessary legislative acts.

    The state decided again to save a little on military pensions: to get a full pension one must live for more than 20 years. To 40 with a little it is real, and to whom for 70?
  9. Russ69
    Russ69 26 June 2013 09: 13 New
    +5
    At the last moment they saved the Tver Academy of East Kazakhstan region, did not manage to disband well, although there was an order. Shaigu well done, canceled the order.
  10. Whale
    Whale 26 June 2013 09: 13 New
    +3
    Those who appointed and delivered Serdyukov
    After the resignation of Serdyukov, Serdyukov appointed 2 current from a different surname and also a traitor to the USSR
    and the abolition of the decisions agreed with the supreme so elevated Serdyukov 2 that the people do not even notice that essentially nothing has changed; moreover, it gets even worse
  11. sashka
    sashka 26 June 2013 09: 43 New
    11
    Article (Volodin) + But everything is not so clear. You can’t blame everything on one "poor" Serdyukov. Here, both current and yesterday’s presidents had a hand in it. Without or with their easy supply, all this "reform" has spun. Moreover, not one of them pleaded guilty. They can be loved or not loved, but I personally HATE them for such "reforms" in the Country and the Army .. and Serdyukov is just a pawn on which you can blame the failure of the "king" policy. The rest of the “cabinet” of ministers plays the same role ... Well, somehow.
    1. Combitor
      Combitor 27 June 2013 10: 36 New
      0
      Sasha (3), I completely agree with you. Why is everything falling on Serdyukov? He must answer, but to the extent of his competence and authority. But all the "reforms" in the army and military education could not begin without the coordination and approval of his immediate superiors - the president and the prime minister. I won’t believe that Serdyukov did all the work without their approval and consent. And the whole current gimmick with the investigation of the deeds of Serdyukov and Co. is nothing more than an attempt to cloud our brains, to suggest that Serdyukov is the source of all misfortunes, and those who dug up this source and directed in the right direction should be left out of suspicion. I can’t believe that Putin didn’t have a hand in Serdyukov’s reforms, but for some reason everyone believes in the Fuhrer’s infallibility and carefully removes all suspicions from him. Not today, so tomorrow we will still learn about the contribution of the GDP to Serdyukov’s implementation of his “reforms” in the army and military education. And, I think, he will be rewarded in full.
      1. Tretyakov
        Tretyakov 1 August 2013 19: 14 New
        0
        I support! Yes, and it looks like Serdyukov’s employment in RUSNANO to Chubais is that song. Chubais ruined the Ministry of Energy - although the USSR, starting with Lenin, built its entire existence, now DAM is shouting that there is no money for the energy sector and we will raise taxes, and electricity will be so expensive! And no one is responsible for anything!
  12. siberko
    siberko 26 June 2013 09: 58 New
    +5
    Quote: Vladimirets
    “Could you stop the recruitment for“ lawyers-economists ”and other managers by funding military universities to work effectively with truly significant specialties? Apparently, it was impossible ...”

    Why where without them ?! Some know how to steal, others how to otmazatsya, the best specialists for the former minister.

    I think in vain you are so at the expense of military finance ... It used to be easier to come to the chief finance officer got the money went on a business trip (there was always money in part), and now? try to get something and this is not only for business trips (any payment) ... try to receive 2ndfl in the ERC or turn and ask for a recalculation ... In general, all these ERC Slavyanki and other OJSCs are created so that all the money remains in Moscow . Here's an example before, there were KECh who received money from residents and this extra-budget remained in the garrison (money was spent on repairs, etc.) Slavyanka faithfully sends all the money to Moscow. In KECh, in addition to the repair, utility and many other functions, the housing was provided with housing ... A whole group of organizations are now engaged in these functions: Half of Oboronservis, Slavyanka, JO, and many others with a huge staff who conscientiously suck from the Armed Forces and they send money to Moscow, so where is there no savings ... Our "reformers" simply made it so that the troops didn’t remain and spent on thirteen-room apartments and excuse the provision of prostitutes, etc.
    Slavyanka signed contracts for the exhaustion of money from the armed forces every year, you know why? For a year the money has sucked ... they make an analysis whether it is profitable to continue, profitable ... so ... for another year, but it will become unprofitable they will become bankrupt ... it's the same OJSC, they cannot work at a loss (you see it is not profitable) KECh were state-owned to them, they all took care of the state. Therefore, I hope there will be a return to the previous system of aircraft support. This is an example of only one of the services., Therefore, I believe that there should be lawyers and financiers in the Army (moreover, the military) who know what the army is, military high schools of the army are needed including highly specialized ones.
  13. Oberst_71
    Oberst_71 26 June 2013 10: 22 New
    +5
    and who trains the signalmen officers? and why such a mildly strange principle of the territorial location of military schools? Almost everything is concentrated in the central part of Russia. Behind the Urals is empty. There are no schools of communication at all. Tomsk, Kemerovo, Ulyanovsk School of Communications were gradually killed. Krasnoyarsk School of Radio Electronics (RTV Air Defense). What is the percentage of admission really wanting to give their lives for their homeland. Can the guys from the Urals, Siberia, Transbaikalia get into these educational institutions? Everyone who studies in the European part of Russia and wants to stay there. Few people want to go to Siberia, Transbaikalia and other regions.
    1. sashka
      sashka 26 June 2013 10: 28 New
      +4
      Quote: Oberst_71
      Behind the Urals is empty. There are no schools of communication at all. Tomsk, Kemerovo were killed in stages

      In the region you can understand. Money is necessary but there is none. Here is the simplest answer. URAL away, you can’t control. Money cannot be taken from Moscow. How do Muscovites live?
      1. ale-x
        ale-x 26 June 2013 10: 48 New
        +3
        They know how Muscovites live. The question is different - "what Muscovites live on ???"
        Respectfully..
      2. Gloomy
        Gloomy 26 June 2013 16: 58 New
        -5
        Money cannot be taken from Moscow. How do Muscovites live?


        How many communication universities in Moscow?

        It makes sense to study:
        10 TIPS FOR HATERS OF MOSCOW and MOSCOW
        http://www.allo499.ru/articles/287/
        1. fzr1000
          fzr1000 26 June 2013 17: 45 New
          0
          Liked. But few will understand.
        2. Colonel
          Colonel 26 June 2013 17: 59 New
          +2
          Out of 10 tips ...
          the city provides 30% of the country's budget, and thanks to its orders, a dozen Russian regions are fed
          Well, you’re our breadwinners.
    2. ed65b
      ed65b 26 June 2013 11: 21 New
      +5
      When Kemerovo was killed in parting, a lot of people came, the last time they played the farewell of the Slav was very sad. Now the cadets are getting settled there. At least something.
    3. Colonel
      Colonel 26 June 2013 15: 26 New
      0
      Why do we need signalmen? Now everyone has a phone, through one ay something, with skype. Contact at least until you turn blue. Stavropol School (the last refuge of the Stavropol and Ulyanovsk signalmen) stands in the city center without windows, without doors crying
    4. Tretyakov
      Tretyakov 1 August 2013 19: 16 New
      0
      Everything beyond the Urals is poorly controlled by Moscow ...
  14. tank64rus
    tank64rus 26 June 2013 11: 13 New
    +4
    When the "reformers" started "optimizing" military education, their main argument was that there were too many military schools and institutes. It is interesting that before this, Madame Vasilieva with a part of the "female battalion" visited the USA where she was introduced to the organization of military education. Who were these advisers and what they suggested is a question for the relevant authorities. It was decided to carry out a radical reduction of officers shouting about a small and mobile army, silent about the fact that Russia, by its territory and geopolitical position, is not the United States and not France, and only an army based on mobilization can protect it. This requires the creation of a mobilization reserve, and this was the "excess" of officers. Moreover, in the USSR there was a system in which the officer was obliged to serve in both deployed and cropped units. Moreover, the demand for mob.readiness was extremely tough. Now about military HIGHER EDUCATION INSTITUTIONS, "optimizers" rested on their quantity, not to mention what it was caused by. Everyone knows that in the USSR there was a military doctrine that called for a retaliatory nuclear strike and then a conventional war. According to the estimates of the Americans and ours, they destroyed up to two thirds of our military potential. Therefore, it was decided to create a network of schools located throughout the USSR. Their number by type and type of troops reached three, and each university had mobile resources for two destroyed. In addition to the academies that were located in Moscow, the only city in the USSR that was protected by a missile defense system. It was impossible to destroy such a training system. This is perfectly understood by the Americans. So that is all.
  15. Airman
    Airman 26 June 2013 11: 20 New
    +2
    The Military Space Academy announced the recruitment of 1000 cadets this year, but will not graduate from schools in 2015-2018, or are they going to graduate according to an abbreviated program, as during the war?
    1. kind
      kind 27 June 2013 07: 07 New
      +1
      The Mikhailovsky Artillery Academy announced the recruitment of 800 cadets this year, a little more than 100 people have applied, and now there are still not enough teachers.
  16. seller trucks
    seller trucks 26 June 2013 11: 21 New
    +9
    Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation Anatoly Serdyukov, speaking at a meeting of the extended board of the department, said that over the year in Russia the number of universities will be reduced from 71 to 10.


    http://oficery.ru/news/4903

    other than sabotage, there are no other words, do I have many friends from former personnel officers who left the ranks of the aircraft in 25-35 for years and started doing business is normal? the number of military personnel has decreased by 7 times, and who will serve managers and lawyers on the new technology? on the bunks of Paddyug Serdyuk, definitely.
    1. siberko
      siberko 26 June 2013 11: 23 New
      +5
      and Vasiliev to the guard
    2. Very old
      Very old 26 June 2013 13: 06 New
      +1
      Yes, and such an amnesty on the side, the friends will not allow the cooler (it seems that they have a name) to cool, they will find an important job, there are still REFORMS ahead
  17. ed65b
    ed65b 26 June 2013 11: 31 New
    +1
    Quote: tank64rus
    When the "reformers" started "optimizing" military education, their main argument was that there were too many military schools and institutes. It is interesting that before this, Madame Vasilieva with a part of the "female battalion" visited the USA where she was introduced to the organization of military education.

    As soon as our bureaucrats get to the United States, everything at once collapses. Can legally prohibit them from sharing experiences with potential friends? And it’s not experience, but complete sabotage.
    1. ded10041948
      ded10041948 26 June 2013 22: 39 New
      +1
      But the UK is not interested in how this sloop-boat "worked" in previous places? What amounts were stolen there?
  18. rekrut
    rekrut 26 June 2013 11: 36 New
    +2
    I would like anyone to blame for this to answer. What I doubt.
  19. govoruha-otrok
    govoruha-otrok 26 June 2013 11: 46 New
    +2
    Solid emotions. I would like a balanced assessment: what is a plus, and a minus to the period of Serdyukov’s reign.
    1. Very old
      Very old 26 June 2013 13: 11 New
      0
      GOVORUHA, for a positive article by Volodin today he put everything ++, so we can and should ALL TOGETHER- Amen!
      1. govoruha-otrok
        govoruha-otrok 26 June 2013 13: 23 New
        0
        I agree, Old! We must be united. The Navy and the Army to be!
  20. YaRusich
    YaRusich 26 June 2013 12: 02 New
    +1
    I’ll just say that this year the first mobilization meetings of officers are taking place (which I will gladly go to - I received the order and the medical board passed.) After a long break. And this is a huge plus Shoigu. and minus Serduku for poheril fees.
    1. siberko
      siberko 26 June 2013 12: 04 New
      0
      What other advantages are you talking about?
      1. govoruha-otrok
        govoruha-otrok 26 June 2013 12: 23 New
        0
        Compared to 1996, when I quit, dd pay on time, its size is very decent. the issue of housing for the dismissed was resolved, while a huge number of managers who received a free salary and did nothing did multiply, Shoigu resolves this issue. urgent service has become safer, communication with parents has improved, they have stopped taking immigrants from the Caucasus for service. several warships were handed over to the fleet, by the way, the Mistrals will also be built on time and with the promised quality. I do not presume to judge the structural transformations of the division brigade, but the idea of ​​transferring parts to storage bases is sound. Of course, you can close your eyes and yell about theft, etc., but where now they do not steal? Or was there a period in history when this was not at all? And under Comrade Stalin they were tying, I assure you
  21. avia12005
    avia12005 26 June 2013 12: 16 New
    +3
    Drunk, stoned, depraved furniture thief. am
  22. siberko
    siberko 26 June 2013 12: 33 New
    +5
    Quote: govoruha-otrok
    Or was there a period in history when this was not at all? And under Comrade Stalin they were tying, I assure you

    Only then they planted or shot them, and now they are keeping them under house arrest, but they have quieted down about the furniture maker
    1. govoruha-otrok
      govoruha-otrok 26 June 2013 12: 51 New
      0
      Yes? I witnessed how it was in the 80-90s. and under Soviet power and under Yeltsin. I assure you, it was "fun"
      1. Alekseev
        Alekseev 26 June 2013 13: 24 New
        +1
        Quote: govoruha-otrok
        and under Soviet power and under Yeltsin. I assure you, it was "fun"

        But this is not a reason to "have fun" and scream urya now!
        The increase in salary at one time three times resembles an electric shock to restore the work of the heart to a patient who is at death.
        But one electric shock can not be cured ...
        Quote: govoruha-otrok
        urgent service has become safer, communication with parents has improved, they have stopped taking immigrants from the Caucasus for service.

        Yes, this is painting in impotence!
        Dismissing managers is that reform !?
        Yes, this is an elementary cleaning up ...
        What is being done, but there is no radical change.
        1. govoruha-otrok
          govoruha-otrok 26 June 2013 13: 26 New
          0
          in tsarist Russia they were not called upon either. And they did it right. I agree that there is no and will not be a fracture, in my opinion. For now, retired lieutenant colonel decides to build or eliminate
  23. siberko
    siberko 26 June 2013 12: 36 New
    +5
    Quote: govoruha-otrok
    urgent service has become safer - communication with parents has improved,

    They did kindergarten from the army, and 1 year of service ... do you think this is normal? the committee of soldiers' mothers was infused, etc., so that the snot was wiped .... shame
    1. govoruha-otrok
      govoruha-otrok 26 June 2013 12: 48 New
      -2
      I am generally for the abolition of the call. my son served a couple of years ago. Kindergarten? many of the acquaintances who served served for the last in the landing, marines, tank crews, special forces, missile forces, kindergarten are not there. as well as at disposal sites where conscripts plowed and died.
      the committees are doing the right thing; without them, some of the commanders would be completely overthrown.
      I hope that I communicate with a person with experience in the service?
      1. SIT
        SIT 26 June 2013 16: 55 New
        +5
        Quote: govoruha-otrok
        the committees are doing the right thing; without them, some of the commanders would be completely overthrown.

        Tell me if they could get through with G.K. Zhukova or K.K. Rokosovsky? Or did they also have maternal committees? IMHO penal battalions were no worse than these committees. The army is built on one-man management. We need the political will of the country's leadership to restore proper order and the appropriate higher command staff.
        1. govoruha-otrok
          govoruha-otrok 26 June 2013 17: 39 New
          -1
          I can not agree with you
  24. Very old
    Very old 26 June 2013 12: 45 New
    0
    [quote = sashka] Article (Volodin) + But everything is not so simple. reforms in the Country and the Army Reform itching will continue to affect the army. 20 years of reforms, no end in sight, the results are shaky, in other areas of slipping: industry, transport, agriculture, education (Unified State Examination) I’ve already gone to science, how many minds have passed? In any project, first there are grabbers (Sochi and Skolkov, bridges and Zhel.Dor. Housing for the military, graduates of children's houses, subsidies to the North Cava. SASHA, article +++.
  25. ed65b
    ed65b 26 June 2013 12: 49 New
    -1
    Quote: siberko
    Quote: govoruha-otrok
    urgent service has become safer - communication with parents has improved,

    They did kindergarten from the army, and 1 year of service ... do you think this is normal? the committee of soldiers' mothers was infused, etc., so that the snot was wiped .... shame

    Normally, all conscripts do not sweep the parade ground right now and gather potatoes and run, shoot, shoot and learn to fight, and I think that it’s better to train hard for a year than 2 years in the field and pick cucumbers to plow parapara.
  26. siberko
    siberko 26 June 2013 12: 52 New
    +2
    if they ran and jumped, they shot, then YES ... and since I see them from the balcony ... they don’t do a damn thing, but the cleaners barracks wash
    1. govoruha-otrok
      govoruha-otrok 26 June 2013 12: 54 New
      0
      oh well))) you sit all day on the balcony?))))
      1. aleshka
        aleshka 26 June 2013 22: 04 New
        0
        indeed, this is not a service !!!
  27. siberko
    siberko 26 June 2013 12: 57 New
    0
    no, but I have never seen them running))))
  28. govoruha-otrok
    govoruha-otrok 26 June 2013 12: 59 New
    0
    you live nearby, it means you are related to a part or you know people related. what do they say? why there is no morning exercise and physo?
  29. siberko
    siberko 26 June 2013 13: 05 New
    +1
    all exercises exercise for 16 accounts and 2 circles on the parade ground ... funny. Of course, this can only be so in this part ... although not in one. The conclusion is that when a soldier is not busy, bad thoughts come into his head ... so he needs to be busy with something (digging from the fence to lunch ... throw snow so that it melts faster and so on, and believe me there will be less bad thoughts ) And now the soldiers are not busy with anything ... in the ass they all kiss and do everything for them, and during the day the quiet hour is like in a kindergarten ... a disgrace
    1. govoruha-otrok
      govoruha-otrok 26 June 2013 13: 09 New
      0
      I realized: before there were more pigeons, but they shit less? :-) Previously, in the school class, several arresters were of different types, and now?
  30. denis_redis
    denis_redis 26 June 2013 15: 13 New
    +2
    Betrayal continues !!!
  31. jjj
    jjj 26 June 2013 18: 42 New
    +4
    With all the pain for the state of our Armed Forces, another feeling does not leave me. It is familiar to all who have served and are serving. For some reason, it turns out that “oak” is necessarily at a key level. Fools, careerists, thieves in our Armed Forces have always had enough. They really interfere with serving and strengthening defense capabilities. From the very beginning they expected that the army would get rid of such. But the impression is that there are only more of them. And in the headquarters of the capital - just dominance.
    I perfectly understand that a certain mess in the army is simply necessary. The combat situation is always unpredictable, so you need to be in good shape to respond quickly. But the mess cannot be the basis of the life of the troops. Exercises close to combat on an ongoing basis - this is what will rally military units and weed out fittors. Although the peacetime army requires people a slightly different warehouse than during the war.
  32. Apologet.Ru
    Apologet.Ru 26 June 2013 18: 58 New
    0
    In the situation with Serdyukov, it is necessary, first of all, to figure out / decide what purpose he was put to feed at the helm of the Armed Forces of Russia.
    In my opinion, the priority task posed to him was a drastic reduction (according to the “state” - optimization) of the quantitative composition of the armed forces in light of the changes that occurred after the collapse of the Warsaw Pact and the USSR, and in the conditions of the existence of a “new” Russia.
    The question is, how is information for consideration - could a “native” from the ranks of the current personnel officers of the Armed Forces, taking into account all the conditions of the existing caste of the officer corps, carry out a massive reduction and structural reorganization of the troops ?!
    Probably there are few officers and generals who can positively answer this question. Not?
    And he successfully coped with this task ... and as a payment for risks he was given a certain financial freedom, which he, as a successful businessman-manager, took advantage of.
    She had a hand in her heart - and who would have refused the opportunities presented ?!
    It is necessary to have non-human willpower to abandon such temptations with such a carte blanche and with such a “roof”!
    And how to punish him now, if the President of the country personally set him the above tasks, that is, Comrade Supreme Commander-in-Chief, promising full support and personal insurance in case of force majeure circumstances?
    1. aviamed90
      aviamed90 26 June 2013 21: 40 New
      0
      Apologet.Ru

      Your quote:

      "And he successfully coped with this task ..."

      What did you handle?
      Name his merits and list his "victories"!

      And if he "coped", then according to your logic you need to reward him, not judge?

      Well, then justify your position! For what you wrote does not convince!
  33. Sterkh
    Sterkh 26 June 2013 19: 08 New
    +1
    Quote: soldat1945
    only now another problem is that it’s difficult for the Tinyad to dismiss;

    - take me! motorized rifle VUS, although a jacket (+1,5 years urgent), the truth is a bit old of course (37 will be soon)))
  34. aviamed90
    aviamed90 26 June 2013 21: 05 New
    0
    And who told the author that in the structure called on the sign “Academy” you will really be given an “academic” higher military education?

    Schools trained officers at the operational-tactical level.
    The academies prepared command staff for the troops at the operational level.
    And already the Academy of General Staff of the Armed Forces - a strategic level.

    And now, under the guise of "Academy", they are preparing those who were previously trained in schools.

    Higher education institution can be called as you like, but the essence of this does not change.
    Example - VVA them. Gagarin and Zhukovsky.
    Do you really think that without a training base and teaching staff, on the basis of the Voronezh school, officers with higher military education and operational training are being trained there?
    Go to the website of this school - and see!
  35. genzik161
    genzik161 26 June 2013 21: 13 New
    +2
    Dear Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation, please return the Communication Institute in Novocherkassk, Rostov Region, and the Rocket School in the city of Rostov-on-Don, which was disbanded by order of Serdyukov
    1. aviamed90
      aviamed90 26 June 2013 21: 35 New
      0
      genzik161

      Who are you talking to now?

      To God or to Shoigu?
  36. mithridate
    mithridate 26 June 2013 22: 41 New
    0
    betrayal of the interests of their country should be prosecuted under the LAW
  37. siberko
    siberko 27 June 2013 06: 34 New
    0
    No one heard what the stool is doing now, something has quieted down everything by its pranks
    1. sashka
      sashka 27 June 2013 06: 41 New
      +1
      Quote: siberko
      No one heard what the stool is doing now, something has quieted down everything by its pranks

      Medvedev appointed Chubais as an assistant. And it’s true. Don’t fall off the chair .. And Pu doesn’t know ..)))
      1. Alekseev
        Alekseev 27 June 2013 07: 55 New
        0
        Truth!?
        But if so, a real joke ... from life!
        What could be on ... reform!
  38. kind
    kind 27 June 2013 06: 51 New
    0
    The fact that the ranks of military educators have thinned is a fact, and how will most of them be brought back to universities? - a question about the solution of which the Defense Ministry has so far expressed very carefully. As an option: “Come back, for God's sake!”

    Yes, we are ready to return, but where? To the ruins of destroyed military schools? To tears, I feel sorry for the unique material and technical base, which was created over decades, mainly due to the enthusiasm of teachers and cadets, and was destroyed at one point.
    Of course, there are still officers who are ready to raise military education from their knees and start immediately, just let the military schools reopen.
    1. aviamed90
      aviamed90 27 June 2013 14: 28 New
      0
      kind

      Sympathize with you.

      And I, in your place, would not go. Why "2 times step on the same rake"?

      Gentlemen got things done - now let them figure it out. They get paid for this and go with flashing lights.
      And let people be left alone - they deserve it!
      1. SPHINX
        SPHINX 27 June 2013 19: 35 New
        0
        Not an option. The logic "they screwed up, and what for it now" here is akin to wrecking. It’s better to return to the ruins and spend all your energy on restoration, revive and share your knowledge, than to sit and pout like a mouse on the grits.
        Not the fact, of course, that it will be possible to restore everything, far from the fact, but to drop everything is a wholly-owned kayuk.
        1. aviamed90
          aviamed90 29 June 2013 17: 38 New
          0
          SPHINX

          And no one said that we must quit!

          But how to solve this problem competently?
          Do you offer to re-engage military teachers retired 60-70 years of age? And younger - you can count on the fingers.

          How to specifically solve the problem with teachers? Who do you think can be involved in this? Dial from combat units? With a chronic shortage of officers?
  39. siberko
    siberko 27 June 2013 07: 09 New
    0
    Quote: Good
    The fact that the ranks of military educators have thinned is a fact, and how will most of them be brought back to universities? - a question about the solution of which the Defense Ministry has so far expressed very carefully. As an option: “Come back, for God's sake!”


    Of course, there are still officers who are ready to raise military education from their knees and start immediately, just let the military schools reopen.

    The main thing is not to delay
  40. SPHINX
    SPHINX 27 June 2013 19: 28 New
    +1
    In Mikhailovka (Petersburg), the first set was barely scraped together, and this is without introductory, if only the person was healthy. And before the people were jamming there. Eh, how much time will now all be reborn ...
  41. vladimir VR
    vladimir VR 29 June 2013 15: 43 New
    0
    Perdyukovskaya reform still comes back to a head-on collapse, beginning in 2014, when there will be no graduations from schools of those who were supposed to enter them in 2010. There will be no one to command the platoons.
  42. Chukchi reader
    Chukchi reader 30 June 2013 18: 45 New
    0
    The article put a minus.
    How not to stop the running bison or the singing Kobzon, so do not stop the writing Volodin ...
    Volodin, you can’t write, don’t write.